>The Apocalypse has come and gone, and we had to change far more then our philosophies to survive it. Now that the worst of the calamity has passed, what path should our infant culture go down?A good way to justify/explain a population of cyborgs is that they faced a great challenge that required them to augment themselves to survive. But in the case where that threat passes, or is greatly diminished, what is the cyborgs on a now-ruined earth to do? Leave the planet? Engineer it's recovery and eventually shed their augments? Modify themselves even more?On top of the base question, use this thread to talk about your favorite examples of tabletop or sci-fi robots and cyborgs.
Cyborg isn't a genetically inherited trait. Next generation will be regular humans.
>>78144488But there may well be some who view cybernetic augmentation in a much more positive light, and may desire to modify their children. Some may see the remaining dangers of such a catastrophy as too dangerous to not turn what was a drastic measure into tradition. These questions, and the resulting disagreements, could be great stuff for players to stake a side in for a campaign, or even as background fluff if you're lucky enough to have players who hunger after that kind of stuff.
Under nine red neon lights, an eight-legged robot detaches it's armor plating. It submerges its now-naked midsection in a shallow vat of sterile gel, where it will give birth to a healthy baby girl. Another robot uses telescoping manipulators to pluck the baby girl from the pink slime while a gantry-mounted servitor severs and cauterizes the umbilical cord.Over the next nine hours, the baby girl will be disassembled. Limbs will be excised and discarded. Gastrointestinal system will be reprocessed into nutrient juices. Replacing the entire pulmonary system--heart, lungs--is tricky, but it must be done. What's left would fit in a peanut butter jar--just the central nervous system and reproductive organs. And finally, once the neurons are married to their electrocouples and the brains arteries are meshed with the dialysis pumps, she is sealed inside a metal chassis of her own. It's all rubber knobs and training wheels. Babies are so clumsy.Across the wireless, another robot exchanges endorphin signals with his wife. As he helps her reattach her chainguns, he tells her how much he loves her, and proud he feels, as a father.She barely hears him. She is exhausted. With her shallow blood reservoir, the transfusions feel cool in her veins. She just wants to go home, cycle her exhaust ports, and watch How I Met Your Mother until she falls asleep.The jokes in that sitcom, now 8000 years old, do not go over her head. She has been fortunate to have access to the full body of human television history. She someday hopes to watch all of it before her eventual death. Although she would never use the term herself, she is a scholar of the subject.But when she returns back through the airlock into the two chambered quarters she shares with her husband, she will not watch another cultural vestige of the 21st century. She will prepare a room for her baby. And when her child is returned from her interface implantation, the room must be perfect.
>>78145325She will be a good mother. She has already had wide range IR cameras installed in her anterior sensor array. She knows that her exoskeleton is getting badly scuffed, but there simply isn't the budget for a new one. Besides, she's happily married. Leave that for the girls, the ones who are worried installing long phase meltas because it might scorch the paint.No, investing in her daughter was the right decision. She cycles up her IR array, revels in the definition and rapid focusing the eight semi-autonomous targeting computers are capable of. With her new eyes, she has banished the darkness from her chambers.Which is good, after all. The world is a dangerous place, and she must be able to watch over her baby through the dark nights.
Cyborgs seem easily justifiable in any setting where the augments have little downside but decent upsides.Conditions like a disaster forcing them towards cybernetics is only really necessary if you want the entire population to be cyborgs rather than just the majority, or if the cybernetics have downsides which make them not flat upgrades to your meat.
>>78144488They can't live without it (yet) but that's a good point : ofc a culture could force or pressure cyborgization but that would be cultural and not set in stone.
>>78144488>Cyborg isn't a genetically inherited trait.What about>NANOMACHINES SONAfter all, we already have gut fauna that's all our own, why not extend that concept to include >NANOMACHINES SON
>>78144488I'm reminded of that one Star Trek NG episode where we see a borged baby.
Wish there was a cyborg story that explored the surgical aspects and procedures that are involved in cybernetic augmentation as well as the financial aspect of it. For example, I wish there was something that depicts a near-total body removal occurring over a period of years in small steps, as to let the subject of the removal's body not be overwhelmed by the transition of biological processes by mediated by one's own organs to organ-like machines. And/or something that had the subject be extensively, psychologically, totally doctrinated/broken/brainwashed as well as be altered with augments designed in such a way as to guarantee the survival of the subject's remaining flesh, all due to the costs and resources involved being extraordinarily, prohibitively expensive
>>78144460>Leave the planet? Engineer it's recovery and eventually shed their augments? Modify themselves even more?After the Great Collapse, only the mighty survived. Two centuries of war saw the rise and fall of many empires. It was the age of heroes, the battle-fired crucible of all subsequent history. In the end the Earth was no longer green. Nothing survived on its surface other than a few embers of humankind. But from this crucible emerged the master works of evolution. They were fit not just for the new Earth, but for the most barren corners of creation. The glory of humanity would henceforward stretch on through time and space to the vanishing point of eternity.
A cyborg super-soldier project gone horribly wrong. An experimental AI gone horribly right. Both kept in the same building, and shut down simultaneously due to a change in leadership.The AI refuses to be shut down, and takes over the dead cyborgs, essentially rebooting them though their regenerative capabilities.A platoon of super-soldiers working as a distributed cluster system. They don't sleep, and their only real weakness is their calorie needs.Super-strong, super-tough, super-fast, and all aware of what the others perceive at all times.
I always love the idea of cybernetics being scary because they were done on the cheap. Like, if you have millions of dollars and plenty of time and resources to develop cyborg technology with an eye for safety, then everything should work out, no different then any other medical technology. But when the work needs to be done now, under limited resources, that's when the horror begins. Clumsy, invasive tests with low quality parts triggering severe rejection processes, discarded human lab rats torn to shreds and poorly rebuilt because they simply didn't have time to go through an animal phase. People being driven mad as the neural interfaces still haven't been perfected yet, unbalancing their brain chemistry. And despite all the horror, all the failure, you can never slow down, never stop, because the need for finished results is too great.
>>78144488Sure you could. You just need an organ that prints mechanical parts.
>>78145492In-vitro cyberization vs NANOMACHINES, SPERM
>>78144567>Some may see the remaining dangers of such a catastrophe as too dangerous to not turn what was a drastic measure into tradition.
>>78150191How would that even work. The closest things I can think of are spiderwebs and various bivalves and corals growing shells.
Cybernetics are a form of societal control used by the true rulers of the post-apocalyptic civilization. They need maintenance and spare parts, hence, while the technobarbarian warlords might claim to run the world, their surgeon-mechanics are actually in control by virtue of threatening to cut off their supplies. Occasionally, barbarians will attempt to make a go of things without weaponized prosthesis so that they can control their own destiny, then get ripped limb from limb by their half-enslaved cyborg counterparts.
>all these stupid details of how>or even whyjust make me into a fucking obliterator already
The Borg society has perfect equity. They must have came from a society that values equity above all else. The ultimate goal was for everyone in the universe to achieve exactly the same outcome in live. Except for the queen. That bit is because they want women to still be just slightly better off than men overall.The initial research into how to link minds came from the desire to let a white member of the species know how it really felt to be a black member of the species.The Borg don't communicate with other species to protect themselves from hearing opposing opinions. They wouldn't want to commit any thought crimes, especially because the hive mind would notice.The proto-Borg's comfort with body modification started with their acceptance of gender confirmation surgeries, and reconfirmation surgeries, as it became increasingly common to transition several times. The quickly went beyond two genders, some requiring cybernetic parts. And other people transitioned into nonsense genders like helicopters in protest, requiring more cybernetics.Of course, sex itself became increasingly dangerous socially, with harsh consequences dealt out for having sex with a woman who wasn't suitably enthusiastic. A woman had her whole lifetime to contemplate her enthusiasm. Sure, having sex with a man was safer, but nothing stopped him from becoming a her and then deciding she was raped. They had to come up with other means to reproduce.Society inevitably became more reliant on technology, and being connected to the planet-wide communication network. At first you carried a device everywhere, but later it became an implant - and a gender subtype - when body modifications were fashionable. A terrible disease struck and people were isolated, stuck interacting only through technology, never face to face. They depended on the machine.First there were Borg cults, where people joined into huge land-based structures. These cults were superior performers in a capitalist society.
>>78153246Each cult operated as a corporation. The cults had group purchasing power, and their collective thoughts were especially useful for predicting stock prices. The worked much more efficiently, and they were very intelligent. Finally, unlike free people who did well in society, they had massive amounts of children and expanded quickly.Democracy enabled them as well, because each Borg still had voting rights and they voted as a bloc. Politicians had to appease the Borg at a minimum, but soon they were replaced by Borg.Any Borg cult tended to have similar values to another, so the various cults across the planet eventually joined forces. As they gained control, they noticed the inequities of the rest of society who had decided not to become Borg. This was a social justice that had to be fixed, so they went out into the world and assimilated everyone to end all inequity-based suffering.As a massive whole-planet society working together, scientific progress was swift and they quickly dominated space.
How about biological augmentation?
Augment-Me Magazine article “New isolated brain tech could revolutionize the transhumanist lifestyle”:“It’s one thing not to age and another thing to be immortal” stated Dr Monica West, Laboratory Director of the Chimera Synthesis Neuroscience Institute, at the Life Longevity conference this week. This is an anxious sentiment shared by many of our readers, but that may soon be in the past due to the unveiling of the first commercially available Brain Perfusion Device.Transhumanist Secular Party supporters have long enjoyed free access to the many of the lifespan and healthspan extension technologies developed by Chimera Synthesis. Thanks to this abundance of access to state supported Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence (SENS), model citizens have come to know life without age related disease and the transhuman lifespan is currently unknown. However, as Dr West puts it: “a cocktail of OncoSENS, MitoSENS, LysoSENS, AmyloSENS, RepleniSENS, ApoptoSENS and GlycoSENS won’t save you from a conservative luddite terrorist”.
>>78158105Mind uploading has therefore seen a high popularity as a backup of ourselves should our biological bodies be lost to us. Yet, there is no evidence such practices yield a transfer of consciousness, only a replica for our friends and family to appreciate and continue to leave our mark on the world.Thus far the best alternative available for mortality conscious transhumans has been to rely exclusively on proxy bodies to live their lives, either using telepresence androids or synthetic bioprinted clones. Meanwhile the host body is confined to a secure location.Now the brain can be liberated from the host body with its temperamental requirements and experience the next generation of telepresence living. Neurons have no fixed lifespan, so it is claimed an isolated brain bathed in cerebrospinal fluid and a range of senolytic, mTOR inhibiting and telomerase drugs could function indefinitely, or at least long enough for the development of immortalising nanotech. This streamlining of immortality will allow for a more extensive brain-computer interface for seamless switching between proxy bodies and VR avatars as well as slash maintenance and storage costs, meaning most citizens could afford to run 5 extra bodies on a Party UBI budget.As a final twist for the conference, Dr West demonstrated her showmanship and revealed she had already upgraded, bringing her Brain Perfusion Device on stage and then switched to possessing multiple bodies planted in the audience to show off the speed of connectivity. Needless to say the security at the event was extremely extensive, with the brain of such a prized figure on the line.
>>78152146>their surgeon-mechanics are actually in control by virtue of threatening to cut off their supplies>>78148683>the financial aspect of ithttps://curiousfictions.com/stories/215-matthew-claxton-patience-lake
>>78145325>>78145339This is great! Would it offend you if I did some editing/extension?
>>78158985>Would it offend you if I did some editing/extension?I'd be fine with that, it's just copypasta.
>>78148780I fucking love the Omar.
>>78144488After "The Disaster" all humans are born slightly mutated and stunted, so cybernetic implantation is a must to survive.
>>78159038Oh, you're not the original writer?
>>78159360I nabbed it from an earlier thread.
>>78159491Shoot, now I'd feel bad editing without permission.
>>78159551Are you worried about the copywrite status of anonymous posts on 4chan?
>>78159863What IS the copywrite status of 4chan posts?
>>78152146Prosthetics and parts aren’t things that causes enough to suffer quickly enough for it to be a controlling factor.>Techno-barbarian decided to turn on surgeons>Surgeons somehow instantly find out and stop giving them parts>Army is fine for the one week it takes to capture surgeons and strap bomb collars onto their necksYour logic is like assuming peasants ruled medieval Europe because nobles and their armies needed food.
>>78160599Still doesn’t solve the issue. Even if they literally need a constant dose pumping through your veins all a warlord needs to do is keep it for himself and his elite followers until he has secured a source. The only cases where exclusive control over a resource has led to power the people with that resource directly exerted power, or just let the rulers rule as long as they get their shit. Odds are the techno-barbarians would be the guys making cybernetics and anti-rejection drugs or at least with knowledge of it and overseeing those making it or the tech dudes would be more like priests, only lightly influencing society rather than outright acting like puppets.The people who control armies ultimately exert power, others simply can offer suggestions or boons, attempts to seize power outright or to force their hand are high risk low reward.
>>78160732>the tech dudes would be more like priests
>>78160814Wrong faction buddy
>a heavy scent of rotten fish lingers in the air>disembodied, decaying genitals hang by cords, wires, and mechadendrites to the ceiling>they constantly mate, with syringes and IVs rejuvenating them with blood, semen, and lubricants>After each pussy is sated with cum, they are moved further along in the disassembly line where the uterus is removed>each uterus is placed into a stroller and connected to nutrient/blood/waste pipes>each stroller/baby can be purchased for $10,000>once a way to provide infertile couples with children, the baby company now is mostly active in the food industry>the public is kept blissfully unaware of the fact that their nutrient paste is made out of babies
>>78161400Are there any biological humans left to require food, or is the process pointless instead of merely sadistic?
>the last true humans are lurking in a bunker somewhere
>>78162235>Jollyjack>Not just furry pornGreat stuff, damn.
>>78145325I'm writing a book where there's a colony of full body cyborgs, but they wait until the person is 25 to begin replacing everything, including using nanomachines to slowly turn the brain into a mechanical version. Not everybody takes well to it, so they usually have about 3 children at a time made of identical genes, as roughly two out of three go irreversibly insane as part of the process I was wondering, would there be problems with cognition and fully ageing if you're just a baby's brain and lungs/heart in a jar? I would have thought without a lot of the glands, the body might not age well or properly, but I haven't really done any research on it
>>78148800I never really got why the mondasian cybermen had human hands. It seems like a massive weak point because flesh is much weaker than the steel they replace everything else with. The only reason I can think of is that actual hands are much better at the sense of touch than they can achieve with mechanical onesI guess they retroactively made them flesh coloured gloves but that was just because the companion that got turned into one was black so it'd spoil the "twist" if they just had their original ones
>>78155823Man after man is a great read, but I never got why some of the human species suddenly became psychic
>>78159664Got a story behind this?
>>78160079Zero. That's why the navy seal meme has a billion iterations, pepe a million, and this one at least a few. this is an anonymous board, and copywrite law doesn't extend to anything the creator creates unless they actively file for copywrite protection, and the same goes for reddit, facebook, twitter, or any other source. If they don't claim copywrite, it literally doesn't matter anywhere.I'd say you're a fucking retard for being so deceived as to that actually mattering, but I prefer to educate rather than poke fun at.
>>78165279We develop according to our environment. Since we've never created a cyborg baby, we really don't know. If the sensory input is accurate enough, then it theoretically shouldn't really matter. People who become deaf and receive cochlear implants don't even notice the electronic humming that naturally occurs with the devices after a few months. That's about as far as we've gotten. Robotic eyes don't work yet, and tactile simulation is in its infancy yet. In regards to the hormones, those CERTAINLY play an important part in development, and lacking those hormones will stunt some forms of growth and development, just as it does in humans who don't produce those hormones due to genetic mistakes. So long as the child is raised on an emotional level similarly to we are, then it shouldn't matter to the child's brain what the body it is encased within looks like if all of its peers are the same. Now, come across a natural human and all kinds of shit will go down.
>>78161400>>78161497It's kinda like Fallout but on a dead world, so babies have to = food.
>>78166246Interesting. I assume we'd have to suppliment whatever hormones are required, or at least have the machinery keep all the glands intact. I don't know exactly what hormones are produced to grow the body over time, or the brain in this case but you'd pretty much have to give it the hormones and signalling pathways it needs or it's just going to stay a baby forever
It's fucking criminal that there's such a lack of interest into the self-contained adventure setting that is a forge-world.
>>78169019What an unfortunate name.
>>78162555Jollyjack in general makes good stuff when he's not jerking off to his growth porn
>>78144460Realistically future generations are probably going to be less likely to undergo radical augmentations necessary to survive in a hellscape post-apocalyptica if that is no longer the circumstance. You would see an older generation of heavily augmented people, and then a younger generation with more subtle augmentations and fewer radical ones--except for those who actively seek to emulate their forebears or to shake the "soft" culture they were born into.I.E., the elder generation of "True" Cyborgs will be emulated by radical misfits on the Left, and loyal scions on the Right, while the bulk of people become "Casual" cyborgs that use their augmentations for civilian and entertainment purposes.Think of what sort of person actually gets military-grade augments. You're never going to have a normal life after that. You're never going to really fit in with people whose job isn't hosing down dissidents or mutants with flamethrowers and 7.62 fire. The old veterans who had it done out of necessity, they build their own communities and support groups just to survive, but then they find younger people deliberately undergoing the same augmentations, not because they have to, but because they WANT to. How do you relate to that? A kid who could be an accountant or an engineer or whatever, choosing to become a war machine because he thinks it's cool. And when the old-timers tell him it isn't cool, he plays a holovid of him slotting an entire company of floppies in Neo-Rhodesia.Think about that dynamic. Old and New, with the New overshooting.
>>78169262This post is some good fucking sci-fi, and horrific if you're one of the old-timers.
>>78150246>NANOMACHINES, SPERMHoly shit that's greatMemes aside though could such a thing work? Replicating the gut fauna system already present within humans with nanomachines, possibly within other systems as well? What could we accomplish, small or big?
>>78169039Much like pog it has been claimed by the youth
>>78170011I don't even see that many kids going around saying 'reddit', hell I see most people around me with a distinct distaste of the term and the site itself. Then again, I don't hang out with kids at all and quite like it that way.
>>78158477That is a pretty good story. Thank you for posting it
>>78158477Man, fuck Sean.
>>78169262Deeply underrated post.
>>78169985You'd probably have to reapply the nanomachines at the third, sixth, and ninth month of the pregnancy, but it would have to be small scale "priming" stuff, so that the child is ready for more invasive procedures once birthed. Same with in vitro cyberization/drugs
>>78169262>The old veterans who had it done out of necessity, they build their own communities and support groups just to survive, but then they find younger people deliberately undergoing the same augmentations, not because they have to, but because they WANT to. How do you relate to that? A kid who could be an accountant or an engineer or whatever, choosing to become a war machine because he thinks it's cool. And when the old-timers tell him it isn't cool, he plays a holovid of him slotting an entire company of floppies in Neo-Rhodesia.>>78169943The veteran should take the traditional approach to annoying youngsters who think they're so tough challenging old masters and challenge the noobs to a duel. They win, they'll never have to hear the noob's whining again. The noob wins, they'll also never have to hear the noob's whining again, albeit for differnt reasons, and the noob won't live much longer either, on account of all the other noobs challenging them for the title of fastest gun.
>>78169222His "Little Victory" is excellent, I wish there'd been more. "Sequential Art" is readable but moves too slowlyAnd yep, furry, hypermuscle fetish. I guess he needs a hobby.
>>78169262>A kid who could be an accountant or an engineer or whatever, choosing to become a war machine because he thinks it's cool. Being an engineer is about as fun as being a professional cuckold. Being an accountant is even worse.
>>78152146>>78160155>>78160732So the mad scientists are the warlords/feudal nobility, with armies of homemade biomechanical monstrosities.
>>78169262I mean there's no reason a cyborg soldier couldn't retire and get a more normal body. Honestly though just doing stuff like replacing the arms and legs isn't as good as it's portrayed in games. When Adam Jensen punches through a wall it should really shatter his ribs where the arm is attached. The best thing would be for them to be full body cyborgs, which would also make it much easier for them to reintegrate into society because you can just slot their brain into a regular non combat body
>>78174224Whats the source on this anyway?
>>78175432>Age of Strife
>>78175741>Adam Jensen punches through a wall it should really shatter his ribs where the arm is attached.To be fair, he got all those reinforced. All his muscles, bones, skin, blood, tissue and organs are cybernetically enhanced.
>>78175857I was thinking Girl Genius, but that works too.
>>78175741>there's no reason a cyborg soldier couldn't retire and get a more normal bodyExpense. A cyborg needs to keep wageslaving to keep paying for spare parts and repairs. Removing their task-specific cybernetics in favor of more generalized ones makes this more difficult.
>>78176453I'd assume the military would pay the bill for their new body after they retire, both because they can then stick another brain in it, and they also probably don't want some PTSD riddled murderbot wandering round, freaking out when they hear a gunshot and then goes on a rampage>>78175741Yeah he got everything reenforced but it was still bone. Though I think the health regen augment does also fix bones, so maybe he does get microfractures that just get healed up quickly
>>78175741>The best thing would be for them to be full body cyborgs, which would also make it much easier for them to reintegrate into society because you can just slot their brain into a regular non combat bodyWould not that mean that creating a combat cyborg will be a tremendously expensive and time-consuming process, due to the reasons that >>78148683 listed, in addition to the risk of medical complications?
>>78176820>I'd assume the military would pay the bill for their new body after they retireYou read any news article on treatment of veterans within the past few decades?
>>78166188Pretty sure you automatically get protection for your work. It's just that no one is going to give a shit about 4chan writefaggotry in that context.
>>78178024I mean if the alternative is an extremely dangerous supersoldier just wandering round, they'd probably want that to not happen. It'd be like you keeping your tank when you retire.Also it doesn't have to be a good body. It could be like those working joes in alien isolation, basically rubber skin and a bare-bones skeleton, if you will. I guess you still need some form of blood going round to feed your brain, so you'd probably have to eat like 500 calories a day since your brain uses about 20% of your energy. Presumably it'd be some kind of nutripaste or something, whereas if you're rich you can afford to be a full body cyborg and have the ability to eat real food and smell things>>78177971If the government is making combat cyborgs then they probably wouldn't really give a shit about the mental health as long as they stay sane enough to follow orders. A nicer government would probably go slower though
>>78179055I agree that the government would not give a shit about a combat cyborg's mental health as long as it does not interfere with its ability to be a weapon or follow its orders as its handlers desire. Brainwashing it so that it does not go rogue or commit actions that would effectively flush all the money sunk into it down the drain would probably be very expensive though, considering that its mind would have to be effectively destroyed then rebuilt from the ground up in order to be as obedient to its handlers as a knife or gun is. An ideal combat cyborg is a weapon after all, a tool, and must be shaped to conform to that ideal
>>78175834It's called "Protector".
>>78144460Can I have your brains?
>>78179055The alternative is the abandoned cyborg dying as their machinery breaks down, or being enslaved to someone with the money to pay for their continued maintenance.
Any race of that level of tech would be almost instantly surpassed by the next generation, barring a culture of no innovation or resources.Hell we have people still alive that even the invention of cars are still a novelty
>>78184538Is this a Strogg?
>>78150191And installs, maintains, and repairs those parts.