>>82120317
Wtf,you managed to upload a different thread with the same image while the other one is still active?

>>82120341
>with the same image
Magick, bro.
literally just change 1 pixel and it will be different image, this 4chan his engine is old as internet itself

>>82120317
> Oil, Black Salt and other fuel sources
> What does the Dredging Pit Owner actually do?

>>82120366
Oh, fair enough. Last thread I was too lazy to do this,so I assumed you just had some ancient 4chan voodoo to help you
But instead it's the RETURN OF THE DEAD PIXEL

>>82120375
Procures oil from his dredging pit as well as other things.

>>82120381
>Dread it. Run from it. The Pixel returns all the same.

>>82120371
>>82120377
Fair and fair. Though this implies that the oil only began to have special proprieties after the boon, though it might also not
And where do the children fit into all this? They are integral to his character, you see

>>82120396
>The Oil always had unusual properties but the lack of whales restrained it from ever being a viable commercial product
>Small bodies fit in tight machine components and in the actual sifting process. Small hands and all that crawling through the muck and gathering schlock on the sides.
Knowing him he's also probably got some fabric mills.

An important message to recreational salt users

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1yeBmSFkC4

>>82120419
Well, that's good enough explanation for me. Could someone store it all in the Docs? Probably under Lapsarian Industry, and clarify his relationship with Oil in the Resources section.
I would do this but I'm currently phone posting

>>82120346
> tie in the storing and processing of oil.
Storing yes, processing I'd rather leave to the Tycoons themselves. Help firm their near monopoly status over the oil.
Maybe the Pit Owner represents the nobility that was able to leverage it's power/riches towards industry, so that's where all the land for oil storage comes from, besides all of the other businesses he apparently owns

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Just made quick sketch of Lapsarian military. Current names are almost all just fillers and I hope anons will figure out better names.
And few moments. Okrug is form of division based on geography (word means "area" or "distrcit" in russian). And Academia is some form of military education, cause you can't maintain such an army without trained officers of course.
Any suggestion and critics from anons are welcome.

>>82120317
Six Threads? When will you niggers do a new setting jesus Christ

>>82120958
The Kossoki strike me as answering directly to their hosts, and get from their from the Tsarina, although in the field they receive orders from the army.
The Fleets are also divided between the individual River Guards and the Ocean Fleets. In fact an argument could be made the River Guards and the Navy are still divided.
The Air Force is also a shell of itself.

Everything else I'm fine with, even if it is still up in the air. Thoughts everyone?

>>82120958
I say make an additional category for 'Non-citizen Forces'. Basically the field Auxiliaries formed out of Lapsarian holdings.

Kossaki & Durite cavalry, Yechod, Aemii, Venit, etc. people who are not citizens but are working their way towards full citizenship through military service.

This could give a place for the Nemijski, Timajori, and Venitii to flourish.

>>82121005
There's also the Capri "Fruit Pouch" boys, but I'm not sure if they aren't just chained to the Bay.

>>82120958
You should add a River Guard fleet. In the context of this setting, it's pretty important.

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>>82120986
>The Air Force is also a shell of itself.
I am not sure that there is a good way to show it on this level of organization, then we will go deeper I think we can point to the fact that personal is poor trained, department is corrupted and airships are in poor conditions.
>>82121005
>category for 'Non-citizen Forces'
I added just "mercenaries" block, on lower levels we can define specific units of
>Nemijski, Timajori, and Venitii

>>82120986
Even if the Air Force is a shell of itself, it still exists on paper.

>>82121137
A definite step in the right direction.
Should the academia of this be independent with all the esoteric nonsense about? Technically answering to the Military council of course with lead-ins to each branch.

>>82121137
The idea here is they are not mercenaries, but are subjects of Lapsaria, but not Lapsarian.

>>82120375
dredge

>>82120396
I think oil was always special, it just recently became abundant

>>82120958
how come there is a "Secret Police" we've never heard about but no slab knights?
Is this maybe just Russia?

>>82121176
Yeah, the Slab Knights need to be in there somewhere.
(this is again my issue with them, they're unconnected with almost everything else)

>>82121176
The secret police were locked in a room by the Deacon and have been butt-chugging weedwine to pass the time.
The Knights though? If we make Academia independent and group the military shapers in, the knights could technically fall under them.

>>82121187
Smith should have been in the chart. But he still needs a portrait.

>>82121187
>>82121176
Knightly Orders and other such need to be part of the structure, likely somewhere in the army.

>>82121156
>academia of this be independent
I am not sure, just wanted to show that Academia has their roots in Army rather than Navy. I hope other anons will tell that they think about its position.
>with all the esoteric nonsense
Definetly
>>82121176
>slab knights
I thought they are not part of the military, are they?
>>82121160
Is there any good name for such units, 'Non-citizen Forces' sounds pretty boring.

>>82121137
another problem I have with this is that it implies that there are Kossoki (not Kossaki) auxilaries but no other auxilarise we may not have heard about. As so much over-determination (and this is surely a case of overdetermination, I really can't think of what it adds to the setting to know exactly what military structures are allowed to be Lapsarian), this closes off possibilities for creativity without really opening up any.

It also implies that the Lapsarian military is fully organized-through. There are no unclearities, no unattributed remnants of a former time, it's just a military designed on a drawing board.

>>82121202
>Is there any good name for such units, 'Non-citizen Forces' sounds pretty boring.
Auxiliaries would normally be the name, but military police are in there as well on this chart.

>>82121209
We could make a division between the new modern army that has been established and the old military remnants perhaps? The Tsarina could have with a reformer established it, although there remains a significant glout in the back that's being phased out. Even if this was the time of those clear reformations of structure, the originator of the process is still gonna have a rough time building a new tradition from scratch. Especially when the first round (the Captain the Air-pirates and all that) went tits up.

>>82121209
Well on a basic level, this is kind of how all armies end up organized once you have a competent enough bureaucracy. The vestiges of older eras will come up when actual individual regiments are created, with their histories reflecting recent reforms or a lack of reforms.

>>82121202
>I thought they are not part of the military, are they?
we don't exactly know, and we don't need to know, but if you wanna do a military chart, we gotta make a determination. And it is my opinion that rather than just introduce new. largely left-field things we associate with Russia, it may be good to use things from the compass once in a while.

Like,what about the order of ichthys? Sure it's not in a military as you would have in Russia, but as this isn't Russia, why si the Deacon and his undeniable share in the onopoly of violence represented? Why is Lapsarian history so hard to find on this chart? And what is the chart for?

>>82121233
*individual regiments of note

>>82121237
>Like,what about the order of ichthys? Sure it's not in a military as you would have in Russia, but as this isn't Russia, why si the Deacon and his undeniable share in the onopoly of violence represented?
The Deacon's gotta have plausible deniability. Not even the Order is sure who they've been torturing with the gimp masks they got from the Hasyyiams.

>>82121233
>Well on a basic level, this is kind of how all armies end up organized once you have a competent enough bureaucracy
Then what. is the chart. for?
If this is what one should expect anyways from a military at this stage literally all the chart does is assure us that there's nothing interesting and different going on in Lapsaria. What good possible does that do?

>>82121254
Point taken.

>>82121247
>>82121247
so represent that. If there are structures in place the Deacon can tap into with plausible deniability, oddities will be visible in the beaurocracy where he has managed to wriggle his secret tentacles into. Changes that would have lessened his power would have been lobbied against and unusual apendixes visible.
I don't know, do something interesting if you have to close off worldbuilding around the military structure of Lapsaria.

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Okay, I think before we go much further on the military, we should work more on naming and describing various regions within Lapsaria; because from that can flow unique regiments and we can get a bit of a better handle of what needs to be deployed where.

>>82121209
>There are no unclearities, no unattributed remnants of a former time
You usually can't see this on paper, "Militia" block is just compilation all of these.
>Lapsarian military is fully organized-through
Anyway it must have decent level of organization, it's distinctive feature of Empires in XIX centurt army.
>>82121237
>we don't exactly know, and we don't need to know
That isn't mystery, It's basically common knowledge for slightly educated people. Of course, there will be some hidden intrigues of real power distribution.>>82121254
>Then what. is the chart. for?
Just base to deeper on more interesting levels there will be individuality.

>>82121299
I'll be trying to work on the map for Lapsaria and surrounding nations. It'll be a fairly close in map in the Atlas style.

>>82121300
>Just base to deeper on more interesting levels there will be individuality.
Do the interesting levels then instead of putting a fence around the levels you deem uninteresting.

>>82121332
Anon it's a fucking WIP. I get frustrations, but if you want to help, actually start putting out suggestions. Who are the old guard? What did the previous Tsars military look like?

>>82121346
my suggestion is don't do shit until you have something interesting to say. There's a reason why the quality of the worldbuilding has been dipping since we've moved away from the vagueness of the compass. I've been contributing a pretty large part of what's on there, so I think I'm safe in that regard and I think cautioning against over-determination is a valuable thing.
But at the same time, this is a collaborative WIP. My whining isn't stopping anybody from doing anything. Do your military chart, if I get some neat ideas about the overall structure of Lapsaria in the future I'll write them in my journal.

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Hope didn't fuck up with orders.
>>82121332
>Do the interesting levels
I'll do, but only after anons will be quite satisfied with the bigger picture.

Btw, what is the Lapsarian cleaner squad?

>>82121402
Looks good to me so far.

>>82121435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe93CLbHjxQ

>>82121453
kek

>>82121455
>>82121435
I'm kind of curious as to what kind of equipment they have, or if it is as depressing as possible and they're helpless against the ghosts.

>>82121462
>The Thsevi High Energy Capture System (THECS)
>A series of tesla coils designed to help draw and harm the strange entities of Capri Bay

>>82121402
are there any layers of colonial-specific soldiers?
Are the ground border forces (like the winter boy from last thread) under Air force jurisdiction or one of the army regiments?

>>82121462
I think it would be very interesting if they could actually do some stuff against ghosts, just not on a large scale. That they are like exterminators, they can't kill all ants, but they can clear areas off them.

>>82121527
I dunno, having literal proton packs is a bit much for me. Maybe instead they're really cumbersome and more for area denial instead of "hey look a ghost, better zap him"
Ultimately the Cleaner Squads are in Capri Bay to search the ruins - find something.

>>82121533
>are there any layers of colonial-specific soldiers?
I think they can be attributed to "Non-citizens Auxiliary"
>Are the ground border forces (like the winter boy from last thread) under Air force jurisdiction or one of the army regiments?
Good question, I would say that they should be under army jurisdiction, but don't really sure.

>>82121543
My idea is not a pack, but quite literally they have to cart out large coils and batteries to fry and area. The ghosts come to it like moths to a flame and burn.

>>82121550
>I think they can be attributed to "Non-citizens Auxiliary"
So the Lapsarian Infantryman on the compass would probably be in one of the army groups, stationed in Durite territory for pacification then

>>82121564
As I see it, he must be assigned to "Special Okrug" under army command.

>>82121555
>>82121543
>>82121527
My thoughts on this are - given that the ghosts are a direct result of the Betrayal, and should (theoretically) be a finite resource, matching up 1-1 with the people there, the best that the cleaner squad should probably have is some sort of deterrent, not anything that could actually kill(?) a ghost.
Like insect repellant - it doesn't always work but it works okay enough that you'll use it and be a statistically a lot safer

>>82121604
We'll probably need to discuss more on this later - but can Ghosts make more of themselves? Or is this a problem that will eventually go away?

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>>82121555
>>82121604
>>82121527
here comes the boyyyyy

>>82121632
Hello boy!

When I make maps I generally make a super generalized worldmap to start so I can get some ideas of major mountain ranges and wind patterns.

My basic envisioning of Lapsaria includes:
>at high latitudes (equivalent to the pacific northwest)
>on the western seaboard
>placed so that current northern water exchange is weak
>these together make it cold and humid
>Lapsaria's back is pressed against mountain, on the other side of which is the Vast's desert
>this causes Lapsaria's rivers to be fed by mountain snowpack & northern glacial melt
>the mountain are awful to pass through, making a southern passage into the vast more desirable
>the mountains isolate Lapsaria, but also make the area fertile & desirable
>Lapsaria has expanded south along the coast and over the mountains into the Vast as it has grown
>as you go south you hit the barrier where the desert is pressed against the shore
>the world sea makes monsoon season fucking awful, with storms washing their way across Lapsaria soaking it to the bone

In my mind Lapsaria rains (or snows) ~250-300 days a year, putting it as a horrifically wet place compared to most of the continent.

>>82121604
>>82121610
There could be a lot of ghosts. Capri Bay was likely a military harbor/city. The Betrayal could have turned most, or all, of the city into phantoms. It's only been 20-30 years since it happened, the cleaners would have their work cut out for them.

>>82121645
>rains (or snows) ~250-300 days a year
It will be literally rainforest.

>>82121662
Never been to Oregon, have you?

>>82121645
Even mainland Lapsaria I would assume has multiple climate zones. There's probably two main veins of life there, on the accessable coast and in the less shitty areas, with clusters where the two meet.
>>the mountains isolate Lapsaria, but also make the area fertile & desirable
Why isolate Lapsaria? I think its borders being distant but accessible like Russia would jive well with many established things about foreign influences.
I read a lot about deserts in your brief, but nothing about steppes - could you expand on both? I've not really heard anyone mention deserts outside of the sand flats, and steppes are of course very important to locate for the main narrative.

>>82121662
That's what I was thinking. Washington state is a sodden rainforest and marshland. Cold monsoon marshland and temperate rainforest, and as you most south you head into drier territory where the Durites are from.

>>82121671
there are actually some rainforests in BC and Washington, though it certainly isn't the biggest ecozone

>>82121674
>Why isolate Lapsaria? I think its borders being distant but accessible like Russia would jive well with many established things about foreign influences.
I meant isolated young Lapsari, not the current Imperial Lapsari, which has grown over the mountain borders. The same way Russia grew over the Urals.

>I read a lot about deserts in your brief, but nothing about steppes - could you expand on both? I've not really heard anyone mention deserts outside of the sand flats, and steppes are of course very important to locate for the main narrative.
Steppes and Savanah are a transitionary period. So the Interior desert would be ringed by stepped and other arid climates.

>>82121683
>some rainforests in BC and Washington
Be honest almost the whole Europe was one big rainforest before agrarian revolution.

I'm at work right now, but if someone wants to send me ideas for guys to draw, preferably stuff from Jasentorf, but gladly also other dudes if you're excited about them, shoot me a reply and I'll do em when I'm home.

>>82121645
One thing, how are you planning on establishing the major rivers?
It was somewhat established that the nemijski (I think) served as the "border" between Lapsarian and Durites. >>82121686
> Transitionary period
Isn't that somewhat hard to do if there's a mountain range thats also serving as a geological barrier?

>>82122483
From Jasentorf, maybe one Alerian character would be nice? To help us expand on that region
In general, maybe a Gogureyan?

>>82121645
I recommend making a rough sketch of everything before making any solid mao, to gauge people's intentions and to see if there are any major features missing
Remember we need to fit 4 rivers, a bay, nearby large steppes (both for the Kossoki and for the Durites, on opposite sides of the river), plenty of ocean border, etc etc

>>82122483
I'll be honest, the stuff I've been contributing to has been way away from Jasentorf, and the lore doc section for them is an unorganized clusterfuck, so I'm not really in a good place to give suggestions for them.

Outside of Jasentorf though, some things that could be done include
>Masovii Horse Tribals
>Lapsarian Railroad Industrialists (probably seething a bit)
>The old Tsar, before he went away (sepia tone it)
>Sunset islanders beyond the coral peddler
And of course just random civilians in the capital, because that's always fun. Make a fishmonger, a brothel matron, a thief, a salt addict, a seamstress or whatever
Women in general? we have like 6, and 3 of them are the Tsarina and her servents, and another one is Auntie Angler

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Do we know who the Lapsarians were fighting on sea to justify a project as expensive as our lady in grey ?
One doesn't pay for a full fleet of ironclads just to flex on the sunset islands (or maybe they did ?)

There should be a major naval power, to fight them, probably based on the ottoman empire, since the Lapsarians are not!russians. Some ideas about Nottomans:
>large empire south of Lapsaria
>too far away to fight on land
>used to bully the Lapsarians for fishing spots and trade routes
>was definitely going to gobble up the sunset isles
>demilitarized population, their army has three branches : the navy (numerous war galleys, some black salt-powered steam ships), the Janissaries (elite slave-soldiers, definitely not a fish-cult), and mercenaries from the continental horse tribes.
>used to be the tech leaders, but the oil revolution left them behind. They still have big guns.
>The fleet got trashed by Our Lady in Grey. The empire collapsed from political instability right afterwards.
>Now split between the Janissaries, steppe tribes invaders, and a small theocratic state on the economic capital. With warious insurgent groups everywhere.
>slowly getting back up on tech (they also have a lot of whalers)
>will probably become relevant again when they get their shits together

>>82122483
If you feel inspired

>>82122646
I'm very hesitant about adding something like that, desu

>>82122646
I'm not against the general idea of a little bit of a naval rival, but I would not add ANOTHER big player like the ottomans. there can be medium dudes, I beg of you.
Having something be ottoman inspired in culutre and aesthetic however I think is a VERY GOOD idea since it flows very naturally with the other eurasian influences

>>82122646
>>82122678
Could you elaborate ? If it's because we already have troubles defining one foreign faction, I mostly agree. It can wait untill Jasentorf is properly defined. I just wanted to have a placeholder that explains why Lapsaria has put so much emphasis on their navy.

>>82122723
The point is that they are no longer a major player. They are far away, disunited, and not a problem for the next 50 years or so.

But their very existence means there will be an industrial rival to Lapsariain the future, making a WW1-like conflict inevitable. Because the setting in not bleak enough as it is.

In sum, they are a past and future threat, but near-irrelevant for the present.

>>82122754
yea that's nice, but it doesn't solve the problem that we basically have nobody who's not on some level HUEG, past or presence. Lapsaria is an Empire, Masovii is an empire, the Gem empire is one, the Yothesteins used to be an empire and now the Nottomans come in and used to be, or maybe even still are, an empire. I don't think we have a single country that wasn't at some point in recent history an empire, except maybe the sunset isles. So I'm against adding another one and don't like your proposal (which of course doesn't mean anything because you could add it in anyway)

>>82122782
I get your point, but I somewhat disagree. We do have some minor factions : the Timajor, the Venit, the Aemii, the sky pirates, and the Durites.

Jasendorf is also closer to be many small players rather than a large one.

But what really matters is that none of the large empires could have been a good naval rival for Lapsaria (otherwise, I would have chosen it over a brand new faction). Masovii is land-based, Gem-empire is essentially China, Yothestein is more of a large princedom than an empire.

Warships are expensive, so the enemy has to be somewhat strong.


Another route you might prefer would be a pirate-state. Dangerous at sea,but definitely smaller than an empire.

>>82122870
>Timajor
Lapsarian
>Venit
Lapsarian
>Aemii
Lapsarian
>Sky Pirates
Not a country, ex lapsarian
>Durites
Lapsarian

>Jasendorf is also closer to be many small players rather than a large one.
They are coded as an Empire for the purposes of atmosphere and used to be a coherent Empire

>But what really matters is that none of the large empires could have been a good naval rival for Lapsaria
So do a medium sized thing with a strong navy that punches above its weight. Like the pirate state you mentioned, but fused with ottoman stuff. Or do your thing, I'm not your dad

>>82122901
>>Durites
>Lapsarian
ouch...right in the quartz

>>82120986
>In fact an argument could be made the River Guards and the Navy are still divided.
I like this better because it allows the river boats a separate agenda and clout to push it

>>82123133
I also like that. The river guard would be much smaller than the other branches, like the coast guard, but much more consolidated and dug into their spots

>>82121402
I'm glad to see we're expanding the military a bit, and I'm very glad to see the Secret Police mentioned because I had some suggestions for what they could potentially look like. I've taken my cues from the Late Imperial Russian Okhrana:
>Seventh Section of the Imperial Chancellery (commonly referred to as 'Seventh Section' or simply 'The Section')
>Secret Police of the Lapsarian Empire, charged with countering both foreign intelligence operations and subversive activities within the Empire
>an open secret within society: they are known but not acknowledged
>particularly adept at the use of undercover agents: they have many operatives within the burgeoning trade union movement
>their senior leadership is aware of the Bargain, works to ensure that knowledge of it does not leak out to the public
>those they take are rarely seen again

With the above in mind, I also drafted up another character to represent this particular group. Let me know what you think, and if there's anything you'd want to change/remove:
>The Lapsarian Spymaster
>Protégé of the Deacon, a true believer
>Breaks the Unions, buries the bodies, maintains the Bargain
>Secrets are not his concern
>Keeping them is

>>82123153
Do they hooks not fit the role of secret police, even if not in name?

>>82123153
how do they relate to things that are already in the setting, rather than things that late Imperial Russia had to deal with? For example, what is their relationship to the order of Ichthys? What is their role in the prolific arms trade between Masovii and the Durites, how come that is going on so brazenly when there is this powerful organization explicitely targeted to counter it? How is their response to the durite insurgency in general? How come they know of the bargain, and if that is the case, what kind of people are they, any mutations involved?

The fact that the spymaster is the protege of the Deacon is a helpful point of reference, it implies that the secret police is trusted by him and maybe that's why he let them in on the secret of the bargain.

>>82123174
The hooks are officially outlawed heretics and enemies of the state. And even ignoring that, they are more the secret service of an ally than the secret police of Lapsaria itself

>>82123153
I suggest they be involved in things that are technically against the state's interest, but in an attempt to control them.
So a good amount of unions, salt rings, and outlawed cults are fronts by the secret police.
The Okrahna were active in controlling labor unions this way.

>>82123229
>>82123153
keep in mind these guys don't have to be the Okrahna

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>>82122901
You make good points, butI still prefer my original idea.
I think I'll wait for other anons to split. If the hivemind prefers pirates, I will try to flesh out their lore.

>>82123310
It doesn't have to be pirates, it can just be naval based

>>82123195
>For example, what is their relationship to the order of Ichthys?
The Order of Ichthys is the Deacon's inner circle, correct? Apologies, I wrote these notes up last night and I'm not seeing any reference to them in the Google Doc yet.
>What is their role in the prolific arms trade between Masovii and the Durites, how come that is going on so brazenly when there is this powerful organization explicitely targeted to counter it?
I've been picturing these guys as predominantly homefront focused, but you raise a good point here. As discussed elsewhere, the Lapsarians are aware of Masovii activities but don't want to confront it for fear of a diplomatic incident. Perhaps the Section is currently focused on surveilance and evidence gathering, to expose Masovii actions when the time is right. They might also have attempted to assassinate the Masovii Dignitary, given his involvement with arms supply. Hence why he needs a Yothestein Mercenary with a hard-on for killing Lapsarians.
>How is their response to the durite insurgency in general?
I'd suggest they were previously letting the military handle this, but are taking more of an interest now the Rebels and their general fishiness are appearing on the scene.
>How come they know of the bargain, and if that is the case, what kind of people are they, any mutations involved?
I specified the senior leadership. Their agents and assets in the field will likely be kept entirely in the dark about the Bargain. I wouldn't have thought that it would be sanctioned for them to have mutations, or the like.

>>82123234
You're right, but it's a good launching point that we can refine and develop as we go.

>>82123327
oh, and another question: What are their problems? How effective are they? How cohesive?

>>82122782
This anon is right, Jasentorf transformation into an empire was already boring, let there be minor states.
>>82122646
Maybe it's like britain before it expanded? Has strong naval traditions but is actually quite small, and the lady in grey was one ship, not a whole fleet.

Or we cpuld ressurect the old idea of Tarca of it being a naval power in decline. Got to remeber that is also the Alerian's thing too. In my opinion I think you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
>>82122870
If you go for piratea, base them on the barbary pirates.

>>82123356
>How effective are they?
It's been established that the trade unions and resistance movements against the Tsarina at home are in a pretty dire place right now. I suspect the Section has been working closely with industry figures like the True Innovator and the Dredging Pit Owner to help make that happen. When it comes to foreign intelligence, however, they're struggling more. They've not been able to shut down arms supplies to the Durite insurgency, or remove the Masovii Dignitary from the picture (though they'll keep trying).
>How cohesive?
I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been picturing them as an organisation that's undergone a change of the guard since the Bargain took place. The guys at the reins just now (such as the suggested Spymaster) are men who have come up under the Deacon. They're younger intelligence officers, but thanks to their patron's influence they've been able to advance through the ranks quickly. This will be causing significant tension with the old guard of the Section, guys who've been around since the last Tsar and who don't trust these young upstarts.

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>>82122901
>>Durites
>Lapsarian
By the stone I feel nothing but depression.
And some lung scaling.

>>82123594
>>82122935
>tfw literally owned by the Tsarina
Durites are Lapsarian in the same way the contents of the imperial potatoe cellar are Lapsarian

>>82122782
Jasentorf WAS an empire but hasn't been in half a millenia, Masovii IS NOT AN EMPIRE. They're a bunch of micro-nations in a trench coat and a commonwealth.
But they are able to hold their own in the event that a war were to occur. Every tiny Jasen shithole will be able to maintain a siege and the only modernized and unified aspects of the commonwealth are in the army and sky-navy. I'd like to make it clear that outside of that Military aspect Masovii and Lapsaria are completely different.
Do we just go an make them a democratic monarchy or something?

>>82123657
>But they are able to hold their own in the event that a war were to occur. Every tiny Jasen shithole will be able to maintain a siege and the only modernized and unified aspects of the commonwealth are in the army and sky-navy. I'd like to make it clear that outside of that Military aspect Masovii and Lapsaria are completely different.
I'm happy with that, but it's very different to how they have been talked about in most threads and does not come across in the google doc. But again, I'd be happy for this to be the case.
For the purposes of what youa re replying though, it's pretty much the same; they're a huge and globally significant state entity like all others we have so far.

>>82121005
did we ever decide on what the Nemijski were gonna be?
I don't think there's any real suggestion for their people yet, we just know the river is the fathers patronage

>>82123657
Empires don't need an emperor, they can be under an oligarchy as well.
Masovii has a subject state, has a central rule, has foreign ambitions and is powerful enough that it worrues even modernized Lapsaria, I say it fits the definition of an empire.
But this is just nitpicking anyway.

>>82122870
we do also have the Sunset Isles and their antiquated but relatively numerous navy

>>82123773
How about we fuse this new suggested empire with the Sunset Islands?
There is not much written for them, so it could help expand the lore.

>>82123716
>>82123765
>For the purposes of what you are replying though, it's pretty much the same; they're a huge and globally significant state entity like all others we have so far.
It is not. Jasentorf literally CAN'T. Masovii is an interior power in the Vast and only recently has been able to pass her neighbors with sky ships. I'll also add an addendum. Anything Masovii takes would need to be established as an independent state, then granted a place in the Commonwealth. Not every large state defaults to an empire. Especially in this case.

Because at this point it sounds less like Masovii is an empire and people are just repeating they might as well be an empire.

>>82123801
Never heard of Masovii having sky ships and only recently passing their neighbours.
Did you come up with it now? I'm not against adding lore mid discussion, but it helps know what is happening.

>>82123728
as much as I love the multi-ethnic nature of Lapsaria, we may have to cut a few of these guys that get lost in the shuffle

>>82123789
we could also have the threat of a unified Jasentorf as a naval rival, with a bunch of small navies, but together could easily rival the Lapsarians.
I think I read somewhere on the doc that the fractured empire that makes up Jasentorf had trade relations with the Sunset Isles, maybe some of the coastal kingdoms are trying to organize a coalition with them to form a stronger base of power for their own position within Jasentorf.
Even with just a few Jasentorf navies, a combined fleet of them and the Sunset Isles fleet could be a force to consider.

>>82123801
>Masovii is an interior power in the Vast and only recently has been able to pass her neighbors with sky ships.
Is this something you are adding new or have I missed this in some previous thread?

Also
>Because at this point it sounds less like Masovii is an empire and people are just repeating they might as well be an empire.
Yes, unironically and unproblematically this. For the conversation you budded into, this is exactly what's at issue.

>>82123801
But anyway, you are missing the point. It's not about wheter they fit the difibtion of an empire, but having a bunch of big fish in a small pond.

>>82123837
>>82123728
yeah I think at this point we'll leave the Nemijski uninhabited but occasionally visited by cultists seeking the father's gifts.

>>82123801
wait a second, are you coming into this thread, telling others they don't know their shit and then make new stuff up for them not to know?
If so, chad move.

>>82123835
I swear it's been like that for three threads right now.

>>82123728
With how everything's gone to shit and the Nem is always at the front lines, I feel the original cultures are gone.
It's a Lapsarian River now, although Father Oyster sealed away the pain from the loss.

>>82123841
What about Guthal, which is an explicit Sail power?

>>82123855
It's just a natural makes sense point. Masovii despite having many cultures is uniformally stone, and is an interior group with no navy. Of course they live in the deep of the Vast

>>82123863
I want to die.

>>82123877
Really, because I have opened all past threads, control-f sky ship and there is nothing about Masovii having it.

>>82123877
>It's just a natural makes sense point. Masovii despite having many cultures is uniformally stone, and is an interior group with no navy. Of course they live in the deep of the Vast
what? When did anybody, much less me, doubt that they live in the Vast? It's your recent ascendency and sky ship thing that I've never heard about. That they live further in the Vast is obviously long established lore.
I also enjoy how you reply with
>I wanna die
to someone explaining to you what the discussion was about that you inserted yourself into. You're a pretty fun dude.

>>82123877
I think someone had something somewhere about the river being taboo to the durites, and crossing it was a symbolic moment for the Kossoki, making them the people most associated with it, though not it's people.

>>82123888
>>82123877
lets be fair at this point Lapsaria barely has them

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>>82123888
Here.

>>82123899
I still want to die.

>>82123877
Guthal is very far away, and giving how Lapsaria don't believe that the Gem even exist, they might not really care about distant places.
At least for now, maybe when they get more imperial ambition they will.

>>82123935
I guess I should have control f masovii them.
Still that is one post, and the last thread people didn't mention them as part of Masovii military, nor it has been aded to the doc, so it might have flew by (he) the anons or not accepted.

Can some one add it to the docs? Or we talk about Masovii industry?

>>82123935
I think the main threat of the Masovii would be their cavalry, augmented by heavy infantry hired from the princedoms of Jasentorf

Airships are a relatively new and untrusted technology, and they mostly run off of Oil which Lapsaria more or less controls the supply to.

That said they may make arrangements with the sky pirates for their support. The Masovii are a very diplomatic people after all.

>>82123985
We talk about whether Masovii have an industry or not, and how advanced it would be, it might help define their strength.

>>82123998
if the main threat of them is their traditional light cavalry it's fair to assume it's not a recent development which i think fits best. The Masovii always struck me as the well established guys concernded with the spees of Lapsarian ascendence

>>82123998
Not necessarily. Different airships could run on different fuels, and Masovii could make use of black salt and coal. The effect is a lot slower of an airship but they build them sturdier. Making thme not much of a threat in distant Lapsaria, but a potential nightmare for the people near the border.

>>82124006
>Still guild based in every urban center outside of the capital where the Lord-Electant is experimenting with independent charters
>Plenty of industries are ethnic, like glassworking is entirely Yechodic
>However out in the territories, the individual states have more control and some have made strides with imported materials from the south
>On the whole Masovii is a century behind Lapsaria

>>82124006
I will start, I thi k that the Masovii don't have actual factories with assembly linea, but they don't rely on artisan handcrafting.
I think they have a form of manufacture, with simple machinary helping small to mid-sized workshops, that are fueled using small amounts of black salt.
If the Lapsarians hadn't cheated with the bargain, the industrial revolution would probably have happened within Masovii, but alas, the oil overtakes the salt.

>>82124006
>>82123985
they're industrially limited, but quite vast. they have a large number of rudimentary factories, many aren't yet fully industrialized, mostly being manual labour.

The real strength in their industry lies in it's widespread and decentralized nature. Invading armies have an extremely hard time crippling the Masovii Industry as they have a huge amount of ground they can lose before the supply of war materials is significantly hampered.

In all it makes them a massive investment to fight them, as you have to take nearly all of their territory to secure a victory. When they're on the offensive, the sheer amount of trained horsemen they can bring to bear could overwhelm Lapsaria eventually but both sides would likely suffer massive losses from the conflict.

>>82124085
>>82124061
I'm thinking warlords era china industrialization, so they have a few full factories, but substantially more medium and small sized shops, with the smallest and most numerous shops doing most of their work by hand.

>>82124127
maybe temporary manufacturae type things

>>82124144
>Nomads set up shop on the river
>Shit out a load of fancy vases and cuttlery
>Refuse to explain
>Leave

>>82124144
>>82124157
fuckin kek

>>82124144
>>82124127
>>82124054
Maybe the Lord-Electant has full on manual factories on the capital, and a few local lords are following suit.
The guilds are changing to a form of manufacture to compete with these state factories, with the ones that can't falling behind.
Some guild are even fusing together and abandoing the master-apprentice system.

>>82124196
>Lapsaria has civil wars of Stone and Fish
>Masovii is undergoing the Salty-Guild Riots
Is this worse than having Brackish ones crawling around the basement?

>>82124144
I imagine for the manufacture of stuff like clothing, armour, melee weapons, bows, and civil amenities.
I feel the manufacture of guns to a competitively modern degree would take at least a small established shop working with like a lathe, so probably not the most mobile.
they'd probably need either black salt power or like a water wheel or something to power their manufacture.

>>82124211
They could be using completely jank methods of course. Like keeping six horses in big hamster wheels and maintaining enough of a heard you can get four rotations in the same day for a single workshop. Especially if they're more on the cautious side with coal and black-salt.

>>82124211
during the 30 yeqr war, a practice for mass producing guns was to dance up at a cit, round up all the craft smiths and put em in a big tent in front of the city where they were to build in accord (though without labour distribution)

>>82124196
>in the capital there have been riots
>smaller hand work shops re losing their livelihood to new factories
>out in the sticks some Masovii peasant is happily hammering out guns and smoking yak shit

>>82122646
>Do we know who the Lapsarians were fighting on sea to justify a project as expensive as our lady in grey ?
> One doesn't pay for a full fleet of ironclads just to flex on the sunset islands (or maybe they did ?)
I think they did. It's been somewhat estabilished that the lady in Grey was a one of a kind ambition project of the last Tsar,
Maybe lapsaria doesn't have any major Naval competitors, but they wanted to build up their Navy to become the dominant naval power in the world and push that around as political clout. Maybe Our lady in Grey doesn;t represent such a major investment into the Navy to make another rival state necessary, as it was a one off.
Anyways, we decito to go with it, I agree with other anons that please no more empires/large players. If we a re forced to add another faction in, let it be the pirates far off, though I think it's unnecessary.

>>82124256
>The Aemid Tycoon
>Into this newfangled oil from the south-west
>Chaos means more sales of yak-shit
>The shit imparts productivity and joint-health
>Business is booming
Fucking cursed.

>>82124256
>>82124279
Do...
Do stone yaks shit coal?

>>82124271
I'm thinking Sunset Isles isles as a naval force.
The suggestion is already there that Lapsaria has imperial plans for them after they resolve the Durite conflict.

>>82124279
>>82124324
>>82124256
cursed.
and yet...

>>82124349
Likely this is a spice islands situation. There are so many small powers in the region anyone could hypothetically muscle in.
And gunships do make that a hell of a lot easier.

>>82124349
>I'm thinking Sunset Isles isles as a naval force.
I thought hey're meant to be somewhat weak and distant. I would agree that the Lapsarian built up their navy for the Sunset isles, but less becauise they are a full on naval power, and just because the plans for colonizatioon would require a larger navy, considering the enemy is far away and mostly islebound, limitting the effectiveness of their navy.

>>82124359
>And gunships do make that a hell of a lot easier.
This. It's not about necessarily having any current naval rivals, it's about how a navy on it's own can already be pretty useful, especially for a maritime (?) society like the lapsarians, even more epsecially when fighting islanders

>>82124369
And ego stroking, can't forget that.
Rulers love their unescessary megaprojects.

>>82124382
At least the Tsarina's new model army is getting a lot of use.
Her dad basically spent years building the Grey Lady only for the Deacon to blow it under the waves.
>Captcha is TR00P

>>82124369
I think the idea with the Sunset Isles fleet is they were somewhat numerous but antiquated, relying mostly on weapons like greek fire

>>82124399
How do we deserve the Tsarina, honestly?
How can a monarch eclipse their predecessor this hard

>>82124415
Fair, though I don;t tthink that should be portrayed as something that "Rivals" or "threatens" Lapsaria, just something That'd bother them in case they went invading

>>82124430
agree

>>82124430
still gonna be something you need a pretty large fleet for if you want to set up any kind of power in the area

So, is everyone on the same boat (heh)?
Lapsarian Navy grew to a combination of:
1) Colonial Ambitions in far away and mostly Island based places
2) Said Island Based places having navies with tectics tha'd be a pin for less developed navies
3) A general Wanting to show off power to the world, as Lapsaria had the technology to do so
4) The last Tsar's ego needing a stroke

>>82124522
5. maybe a country that's gonna be added in the future is going to have some naval stuff too

>>82124536
Tho whole point was to unnecessitate the creatin of another country with major Naval capabilities, as we already have enough big players around

>>82124427
>Fuck around and find out with the Durits
>Make half-hearted reforms that manage to please no-one while pursing a pretty nifty vanity project
>Ignore the capital is situated in front of a metaphorical salt nuke
>Probably fucked a lot of things, of which the horse is the least of an issue because at least it didn't give you a bastard
>At least the Deacon took the bastards

Comparatively the Tsarina is always making the best out of a bad situation and actually balancing the nobles as she centralizes power. The vast majority of her problems she inherited from either her Father or her Grandfathers. I imagine she's aware of just how deep the Deacon is but she also knows she can't oppose him. Proper allies are few and far between. Of course, the Deacon isn't completely indisposable, so there's an ongoing shadow war in the Tsarist upper echelons.
To that end she actually has an advantage, the Deacon is already up against every perceived heresy. Just the fact the maid found documents show's he's getting sloppy. While he's worried about the remnants of old religious orders and Stone-worshipers and filthy-dirty secularists, the Monarch bides her time.

This produces an excellent situation for the game world, as the court factions are status-quo antebellum balanced. Players could side with any one faction in Lapsaria to change things.
You could support the Tsarina in easing Lapsaria's troubles, or have her dunk the Deacon and pull a church of England, securing herself as Monarch and Spiritual Beacon. You could side with the Deacon, with Industry, with that one beleaguered moderate whose hanging by his knees in the Deacon's drowning room.

Maybe not that last one in a serious sense but you get the idea

Regarding tthe Masovii, when they were created they were meant to have some hungarian Influences. Have we dropped these, in favor of Polish-Lithuanian stuff? Or did we just kinda forget?

>>82124566
Masovii is the name of an old Polish tribe. Feels like they were always a hybrid. Or several Eastern Euro countries that stacked on top of one another to hit outside their weight limit.

>>82124576
>Feels like they were always a hybrid.
Fair, though for me it seems like almost everything now is almost purely Polish. just wanted to make sure we didn't lose those other influences, as having something purely based on one real life thing (And having the "Commonwealth" be the not!Poland nation) seems a bit generic and uninspired

>>82124547
I didn't say maybe a country is going to be added that equals Lapsaria, I said a country. The idea is to maybe add a medium player.

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It's anon with military chart. Just made sketch for Lapsarian Okrug.
But it is more idealistic concept on paper rather than real state of military, so we can use this as basis for future development of Lapsarian military and defining individual features of specific units.
Any suggestions?

>>82124629
If that's your concern suggest alterations. Arpadic Hungary and Masovii are not incompatible and a lot of the area is still up in the air.
> Several of the commonwealths constituent states are the settled lands of former Nomads who approached the Lord-Electant for protection, allowing passive population growth and border expansion
> Like the Lapsarians, the Masovii lands were ravaged by the Bronze Attila of old, but they raised stone walls and threw back the Bronze-Lord's successors
> The Masovii were once a nomadic people, but have been settled for ages now
> The Crown-Lands remain a hot-bed as nomads are allowed to freely wander some parts of the interior, and some people otherwise exinct beyond survive in Masovii lands
> Sound weirdly like the Aemids
> Why does the crown have a Yak on it?

>>82122646
>>82123789
>>82123841

Ok, how about this :

Island of Barbaros :

>Terchnically partof the sunset islands, but much more remote
>so far into the ocean, few dare to get close
>They live on an active volcano, with frequent eruptions.
>Worship Fish, fear Stone
>Every Barbarosian has fish and coral mutations. Not having any gets you into troubles, down there
>baptised with sacred oil
>Build ships out of whale bones and what little wood they can gather
>90% of GDP is kidnapping, then ransoming mainlanders
>10% remaining is slave labour
>No government structure : you climb hierarchy through respect. Respect is earned by pillaging and exhibiting mutations.
>Get steel from a bunch of renegade stone shapers who were such assholes that only Barbaros would take them in.
>Can't craft stuff themselves because Stone is haram.
>Thanksfully, the lava witch can tell the volcano's will by sniffing the vapors from the crater (tips : he always wants sacrifices, or he will erupt. It's complicated because the sea gods also demand lots of sacrifices)
>The lava witch is the only slave who survived the GAUNTLET with her sanity
>the GAUNTLET is when you get hanged by the feets over the lava for two days. If you survive (unlikely), you turn into an Iffrit. (essentialy a fire-breathing Slab Knight. Must be carried in whale bone cages or their body heat will burn the wood)
>Always raiding. ALWAYS
>Diplomacy is useless, because the other captains don't care about what the others promised. They would betray you anyway.
>Trade doesn't work because they would rather rob (and enslave) you
>Threats don't work because they are a prideful bunch
>They are so racist, Lapsarians look ultra-progressive by comparison.
>Barbarosians consider Sunset islanders as their own kin, which is the reason why demand a tribute from them. In exchange, they are only pillaged every week.

Cont.

>>82124786

>Men are kidnapped for labor force and sacrifices. Women are kidnapped for rape, labor force and sacrifices.
>It's OK to eat parts of the captives as long as they are still alive for the sacrifice
>They come from the fog
>They are the main reason why fish cults are universally reviled
>Reaching their island with ironclads was hard, but blasting their fleet apart and bombarding their shitty islands for three days straight afterwards was SO worth it.

>Most of the lapsarian fleet is gone after Capri Bay
>the fog is coming back


So, essentially Algerians+Anglos

>>82124723
what's this modelled after?

>>82124731
Nice. Any suggestion on how (or if) to include the historical blood relations between the Huns and the Hungarians in a Durite and Masovii relation?

>>82124786
>>82124803
Egh. Feels a bit... On the nose? Like, a sizable part of Lapsaria and the Durits have semi-normal lives even with everything going on.
Feels like we should do another chart with the Sunset Islands and the deep ocean situation as a whole to balance them.
Potentially with 'foreign' and 'native' as the axis over Fish and Stone. Fish is so predominant that stone presents no threat.

>>82124810
>what's this modelled after
Just from my head, took some ranks from british and russian army.

>>82124853
What's the Mountain INfantry Regiment? That one tickled me when I read it

>>82124812
Feels like the interior cultures all have some relations, so if you look back far enough the Masovii, the Saffs, the Durits and the Kossoki all have some shared roots. Unlike the Venitii, the Hasyyis, Timajors and the Lapsarians who are all coastal in origin. Not that the Pre-Durit conquerors cared as they ploughed right over Masovii and Lapsaria like they were highways.
Potentially with Masovii having recovered sooner, the memory of that time has faded, unlike the Lapsarians who have it as a deeper cultural memory.

>>82124869
A few thousand greasy Hasyyian soldiers who must be reminded to use weapons and not just choke out their targets.

>>82124837
Yeah, I got a bit carried away. We could keep this as Lapsarian Propaganda, though.

>>82124786
>>82124803
I say to tone the insanity down just a little bit and it's perfect.
Can't write much for sugestions since I'm on the phone right now, but this feels like right direction.

>>82124869
Idk, just regiment specified for mountain warfare, you know some unique equipment, portable artillery etc.
I thought Lapsarians are not really familliar with mountains, so they would prefer rely on troops recruted from tribes, which live in such terrain.

>>82124948
Seeing as racism is a norm, that probably works.
Although there is immense potential in isles of coral and bone. We just need to do it.
Do we make a simple fivexfive chart if that's a possibility? I lack a mouse for it.

>>82124786
>>82124803
kinda overdone, I'd prefer the supernatural stuff to stay in the background.
too much weird in the open stops being weird

>>82124966
Oh, okay. Lapsarians aren't that mountain shy according to OP, they've got a mountain range in their ancestral territory

>>82124993
>their ancestral territory
Few generations is enough to lose crucial skills.

>>82124803
>>82124786
we could keep the cannibalistic bone tribe aesthetic.
and the volcano worship is neat, but it doesn't have to be supernatural, it could just be the local superstition.
then sprinkle in a bit of fish cultiness with their shaman

So, the Slab Knights and Slab Breakers. What’s their deal? Their lore seems kinda sparse, but that seems logical seeing as how they’re connected to the slabs which have also been ignored lorewise (probably a good thing, all things considered).

>>82125060
I just meant: Their heartland. just part of the Imperial core.

>>82125063
There's enough information for several different island cultures in one go. Which is potentially a need for re-framing.

>>82125086
I thought they were seashore inhabitants mostly.
>>82125080
>Slab Knights
Are they real knights in cool armor, or they just use this title while being some sort of badass inquisition.

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I continue to do some Jasentorf stuff.

>The Populist Carver Monk
>Ascetic Scholar
>Promotes public self-rule
>In danger of excomunication by the Arch Bishop

>>82125080
as far as I'm aware, the slab knights were created by the slab breakers to break slabs.
I don't actually know if they're like supersoldiers enhanced with some kinda alchemy or just automatons.
The slabs are large monolithic rocks that grow like trees around the place and can be broken for their dust which can be used for all sorts of manufacturing.
some say if you worship the monolith too long you turn into a slab, but that's just an old wives tale

>>82125122
I'm just going by what the OP wrote here >>82121645
No idea what level of canon this is

>>82125123
Nice. Open to character ideas?

>>82125133
they're definitely people, this much I'm pretty sure from what I've read. They've got a captain and everything, and apparently those crystal "helmets" are what makes them into such rage machines. So supersoldiers seems right.

>>82125154
totes

>>82125163
>>82125080
I know there was an anon that was working on them specifically, but he didn't like the idea of the airships and dipped

>>82125123
Do a keeper-priest next, they are the ones that maintain the temples and try to preach to the people that are already converted.
There are also the merchants, an alerian priest, the prince's envoy, alerian assassin.

>>82125202
I'll need something with more legs than just "the prince's envoy" to get motivated to draw. give me a good few lines for the one you think is neatest.

>>82125142
> No idea what level of canon this is
Mostly up for debate still. For geography were still at the phase of mostly throwing shit at the walls and seeing what sticks

>>82125239
They are the ones that the prince send to the council in their place. They get assassinated constantly, they get blamed if what his lord wants doesn't goes thorugh, have to spend all day arguing with other envoys, and every time the prince decide to visit the fulded city, they get booted of their room.
But they are also the prince's most trusted servant are higly educated, basically live like the princes themselves and most days just pretend to be working.

>>82125287
>>82125142
I think we're mostly leaving geography up to OP for now, it's harder to make a map as a group, and he has some experience at it

>>82125163
>Sister of the Black Iron
>Tired of protecting monks and pilgrims
>The Grind Stone is calling
>You wouldn't believe how easy an arm breaks
>Going to snap soon if something doesn't change

>The Aspirant
>Spent the past week glued to Perfection of Stone
>Waiting for it to finally sing to him
>Starving
>Exposure will get him soon

>The Industrial Organizer
>Guys I'm serious we need to stand up to the guilds
>No one believes what he's seen out in the Tsardom
>Increasingly desperate
>Probably going to be assassinated soon

>The City Burgher
>Admits that publicly breaking the knees of non-guild members isn't right
>Still does it anyways
>Walls of stone shall always protect us
>Right?

>The Grisser Serf
>Works the land as his ancestors did
>Cries himself to sleep remembering he's owned by an idiot
>Doesn't want another succession war
>Only a matter of time now

>The Zufshenzaal Princeling
> Smells weird, looks weirder
> Attempting to get everyone to work together in the North
> By the Marsh these people are contentious
> Worries about the Lot of the commoners
> Will probably be assassinated
> Sure hope that doesn't cause some kind of war

>>82125239
Lapsarian Army Musician
>Bagpipe is too heavy
>Stinks of dead sheep
>Mouth pains after hours of blowing
>At least free from to dirty work

>>82125345
>The Esoteric of Marble and Sandstone
>Technically way older than the brotherhoods
>Almost completely forgotten
>Soon history shall swallow his way completely
>Found peace the grand work of time

>The Gaufenburg Survivor
>Saw that THING destroy his town
>Lost his family
>Lost his home
>Lost Everything

>The Terror of Gaufenburg
>Wait I don't think the Monolith is this way
>Going to keep going anyways
>Plenty of Slabs to break
>Plenty of walls and squishies to shatter

>The Brother Contrarian
>Didn't even have the decency to lose his sight
>Still carves, a rarity
>Changes his views to clash with whoever he talks to
>Universally reviled
>Still going to be promoted

>The Grisser Brigand
>Dad told him of the old days
>Kills whatever outlanders he gets his hands on
>Collects mercenary genitals
>His days are numbered

>The Balanear citizen
>High up in the mountains
>Cares not for lowlanders
>"Sure does suck down there."

>>82125239
Oh, and the others
The alerian assassin
>Knows poisons even better than his countryman
>Actually bothers to hide his mutations
>He can't keep getting away with it

The Keeper Priest
>All day he polishes the holy stone
>Can't remeber the stone, but can remember the passages
>He holds the mass
>The nonks are still more popular

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>>82125123
>The Monk of the Patriarchal Order
>Rich as hell
>Hasn't inscribed a line in years
>on the payrole of the Arch Bishop

>>82125345
>>82125373
>>82125471
holy shit, NOW you're coming out with stuff

>>82125496
And
The third patriarch
>I meditated on the stone and it chose me
>We need to deatroy the xorruption of the church
>7th one this century
>For fucks sake

>>82125329
> it's harder to make a map as a group
Yes, but if the process is transparent enough it can be done pretty well. Here in /tg/, in fact, there was a map-making endeavor for a setting which went pretty well with most people in the thread conttributing.
I think the most impotant part is going in steps, to leave space to alter things before there's too much added on top of it

>>82125307
Meme format
>Lives the good life, lives the short life
>High risk, high reward
>Would have been a priest, but is too lazy
>Will vote against any modernization or reform

>>82125471
>The Luolammies
>From a time before men
>No eyes, no worries
>Of the stone
>Sometimes wonders what's going on upstairs

>The Emissary to the Luolammies
>Didn't know these things existed before he was appointed
>Wishes he still didn't
>Believes his job can't get any worse
>The Prince is gonna send him to the Lake

>The Water Wyrms
>So long as there has been the lake, there have been Wyrms
>Have no vestments to give anymore
>Can't protect their children anymore
>Wow that's a bold stoneling

>The Prince of the Hill
>Renowned hedonist, done things you've never heard of
>High in the mountains you take what you can get
>Maintaining the ancient rites
>Trusts the Emissary, this will all turn out okay

>The Auldrun Commoner
>Doesn't understand any of these outsiders
>Trusts the Prince
>Humble Wagon-Maker
>Has no idea what's living in these ancient lands

>>82125529
I've been thinking about these for a few days since we started on Jastendorf.

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this is what I have so far

>>82125624
>>82125625
Keep working anons, I was trying to fix up Jasentorf on the docs, but had to leave.
When I get back I will finish it up and add these.

The Yothestein Prince
>Ancestor was one of the original Princes
>Spent the last 40 years killing his distant cousins
>Has regained his birthright
>I'm not paying those loans, lmao

>>82125624
>The Enzingarian Commoner
>The Archtypical Hick of Jastendorf
>No one understands a word he says
>Left out of politics
>Happy to be left with his Brews

>The Enzingarian Brewmaster
>Mushroom Oil? Snoope? Trombrew?
>You want it? It's yours my friend
>So long as you have the Gilders for it
>Refuses to sell on credit

>The Old Southerner
>From a Sandstone family, still married a marsh girl
>Fears for his children's future
>Still plenty of people need barrels, so business is good
>Even if his kids look odd, they still love him

>The Sunset Sailor
>Trapped in the South
>Misses Home
>Food here is weird but he's gotten used to it

>The Masovii Messenger
>Get work in the States they said
>Easy work for a rider like you they said
>Taken about a dozen arrows to the side since he got here
>The Pay is pretty good at least

>The Border Prince
>Terrified of the Lapsarians
>Terrified of the Sea
>Terrified of the Freeskals
>Going to die of a heart attack sometime this decade

>>82125730
>The Money lender
>Shaking and crying from being ignored
>Can't leave the city for fear the peasants will recognize him
>His Grandfather helped build the city with his loans
>His bad loans are going to destroy it

Alright, so how do you guys feel about this idea
>before Lapsaria ruled over all the lands we see today, the major ethnic groups of the Lapsarains, the Venitii, and the Timajor all ruled over their own lands.
>Venitii and the Timajor over cities and towns along their eponymous rivers
>the Lapsarians over what is now the capital city, and the territory around Capri bay, to the eastern mountains.
>the Tsarina's great grandfather, Tsar Pietr the Unifier lead a series of campaigns during his reign and brought the modern territory of Lapsaria under his control.
>The remaining challenge was the Durites on the other side of the Nemijski
>until recently the durites had parity in military power, and an invasion seemed a bridge too far for Lapsaria, but they needed to secure the southern path around the eastern mountains.

>>82125768
fast forward to the Tsarina's father
>under advice from the Deacon that Masovii was intending to align with the Durites against them he brokered the Bargain with the Deacon
>needed to stop the Durites from joining the Masovii commonwealth and becoming too powerful
>whether or not the Masovii and Durites had any plans of unification or alliance is lost to time

>>82125753
I wouldn't call it a bad loan, no one expected the madman would not only reunite Yothestein but also regain prince status.

>>82125625
Nice. Feels like if we keep making these we'll need to optimize each of the axii. That's a solid base for Jasen.

>>82125768
Personally I feel like we need a larger timeframe, and that Laps were always the 'coastal' culture.
>The Major ethnic groups included the Nemits (extinct), Lapsarians across the coastal south at the walls, the Venitii, and the Timajor
>The Hasyyians were largely ignored in the mountains
>The Lapsarians continued to grow inland, establishing cities like the capital over the years, resiting waves of nomad invasion and the 'Bronze Ravager'
>Growth became exponential when Tsar Pietr, ancestor of the Tsarina unified the Lapsarian Principalities, subjugate the Venitii
>Managed to cross the Timajor with his army and his new Venitii subjects
>Over the following rulers, the Durites went into decline and Lapsaria flourished, eventually crossing the Nemijski and shattering the remaining Durite lords in a period of famine
>Helped the Durites transition from pure nomads into an agrarian culture
Just expand the timeline a little, give the history some time to breath

>>82125823
Personally I feel this should be more up in the air. The repressions begging in full during the Former Tsars time, but the reasoning kept to rumour.
But that's just my thought on it.

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>>82125345
>Sister of the Black Iron
>Tired of protecting monks and pilgrims
>The Grind Stone is calling
>You wouldn't believe how easy an arm breaks
>Going to snap soon if something doesn't change

>>82125944
A bit less wroth, a bit more tired I think.
But still solid. You do the Stone's work anon.

>>82125954
She just gets angry when she gets tired.

>>82125967
>One Pilgrim's Whine away from going Postal

>>82125944
I took
>You wouldn't believe how easy an arm breaks
to be a threat

>>82125986
Yes.

>>82125944
>tfw no rough armoured musclegirl nun gf

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>>82125944
>>82125954
how about this one?

>>82126022
sadly, there are only very few exception clauses for the Sister's vow of chastity.

>>82126075
That's why it's ao sad. The perfect waifu is there but is unreachable.

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What is condition of Air force of Lapsaria. What approximate amount of ship they posses? Are they real branch of military or just fancy expirement? I guess airmarines must be a pretty small special forces, though I am not sure how poor condition of the whole air forces affects them.

>>82126097
just pull a fish knight and claim one as your battle wife

>>82126125
as far as I'm aware they were a relatively small experimental force before they deserted en masse, and since then aerialists aren't the most well liked group so rebuilding the force has been slow going.

>>82126151
Nah, I think I will write a long series of love poems, get decked in the face and ridiculed, only for in a hundred years be called a prolific writer and be know as one of the great example of Jasentorf literature.

>>82126166
Btw, tonnage is good way to classify airships, or may be better use volume of their balloons(or oil engines)?

>>82126260
I don't really get much into the airship lorebuilding

not really my thing

>>82125175
>I know there was an anon that was working on them specifically, but he didn't like the idea of the airships and dipped
Slab Knight Anon was the originator of the airships. The airship pilot and slab knights are done by the same dude

>>82126309
I guess he just didn't like the direction they were being taken in, because I remember he left cause of the airship cult idea
which to be fair got dropped in favour of the sky pirates just being high on altitude sickness, and worshipping albatrosses

>>82126347
tbf, that does sound like it sucks

I was thinking of making a compass for the Lapsarian mental asylum. The axes would be loud vs mute and collected vs scattered. Obviously the staff, being mostly sane, would be more towards the middle.
I imagine that widespread madness is a relatively new phenomenon in Lapsaria, incurred in large part by the recent spike in oil and salt use.

>>82126371
yeah he didn't like the idea of crowding the world with eldritch entities, and honestly the original skygod idea just kinda sounded like
>my god is so cool he can kick both of your gods asses and he flies

>>82126402
For the asylum, the normal axes work perfectly though. FIsh/stone faith/pain

>>82125753
>The Sleeper of the Old Mountain
>Last of their kin
>Sealed away by stone in black water
>No more presents for his children
>Dreams of the Ocean

>Great Cray
>Mourns the great Drying
>Knows not to bother with ambition
>A few offerings left for his folk

>The Monolith
>Faith Made Manifest
>Does Not Speak, Does Not Sing
>Does it even do anything?
>Needs naught men

>The Roadside Herm
>Omnipresent in these lands
>Watch Travellers to protect them
>Can't protect anyone anymore
>The Willy is Important

>The Noble Renaissance Prince
>Way in over his head
>Regrets going to the Old Parts of the Country to learn art
>Why is the lake moving
>Why is the ground shaking

>The Sorb
>Non-Jasentorfer
>Ancestors lived here before even the Golden Monarchs invaded
>Just got used to it
>Sleeps with his pistols just incase

>The Denlick Princess
>Accidentally inherited a Lordship after a wagon incident
>Completely out of her depth
>Bombarded by marriage requests and suitors
>Just wants to smoke salts and paint damn it

>The Gilded City trader
>All roads lead to his City
>As far as he's concerned, it's always a time of troubles somewhere
>That's good for business
>Rent is getting pretty bad

>The Menckenzold Prince
>Once his family controlled or was aligned with a third of the Princes
>Now a third-rate power barely holding onto his familial estates
>Willing to make deals with that odd Lapsarian to regain his houses glory
>Has no idea what he's getting into

>The Dust Meister
>Left Lapsaria and the Breakers, considers them pathetic stooges
>Kicked out the Shapers, intends to get revenge one day
>Suckered in the Prince of Menckenzold
>An Atrocity in the Making

>The Wey-Brother
>Tends to roads and their markers
>Hardwork but someone needs to do it
>The only monk universally respected
>Lethal allergy to politics, both clerical and secular

>The Marsh Crabs
>Snippity Snap
>XD

>>82126408
>>82126371
at any rate I prefer the dead skygod idea that we have now.
basically just the old religion of the Durites or Kossoki that got replaced with the monolith or Lapsarian faith respectively

>>82126472
In the immortal words of the monolith
Lol
Lmao

as for a bit of geography

The four major rivers in Lapsaria
>The Capri, northernmost River, Part of the ancestral Lapsarian land, possibly their original home
>The Venit, next most northern, the north side is mostly forests, the south side opens up to a wide somewhat barren steppe.
>The Timajor, the Steppe to the north meets woodland, generally fertile farmland, to the south a more well populated steppe, grasses grow thick, animals graze well.
>The Nemijski, the fertile steppe to the north meets the river bank, river is sparsely populated, rarely fished and bustling with potential catch, it's gifts free to take, but the Durites to the south have always known to refuse.

Today is my day off so I am map drawing and expanding the compass. I'll post the expanded compass in a short while, and then we can do the compass reshuffling before adding new folks.

We're going from 81 to 121, but have probably 10-15 items waiting so we are well on our way.

>>82126619
for the Nemijski, I think it shouldn't have a traditional population

it's only recently that Lapsarians from further north have started establishing fishing villages, and towns around the staging of logistics for the Durite occupation

>>82126469
>The Up and Coming Bourgeoisie
>Cottage industries cause chaos in the cities
>Planting techniques cause chaos in the countryside
>Absolutely rolling in the cash
>Somehow avoided getting whacked

>The Yechod Trader
>Mother is still disappointed he didn't join the family business
>Wild stories to tell
>I'll buy it for a high price
>Bought this cool crab in the south

>The Flagellent Gentleman
>Origin of the Pain Theory
>Hasn't got an idea what his actions have done to the world
>In time, his back will turn to stone
>Relishes the bite of the lash while he still can

>The Veteran Gregarii
>Fought in every war in the past thirty years
>More dangerous than any knight
>Trained to use every weapon in Jasentorf
>Still considered to be just a commoner by the aristocrats

>The Tonava River
>Abandoned by Fish
>Teeth of brass guard her mouth
>Travels the length and breadth of Jasentorf
>Once Taboo to travel over, now the countries most vital infrastructure artery
>A memory of a worse time

>The Gutharian Renegade
>Don't pet the Olm she bites
>Misses the Ocean swells
>Expertise is universally sought after in the Gilded City
>His Olm is the only reason he hasn't hung himself

>The Jatian Strumpet
>Seen so many soldiers they all blend together now
>First touch is ignored, second one gets the shank
>Two sons, no husband
>Hopefully she'll make enough money to get out of Jatia

>The Jatian Serf
>His Lord has changed three times in the last month
>Hasn't had to pay rent at least
>Not that he could pay as everything has been looted
>Considered getting into poaching

>The Jatian Lime-Deer
>Horns of lime, hooves of Basalt
>Everyone wants a piece
>Only the Local Lord is allowed to hunt them
>Numbers are exploding thanks to a succession crisis

>The Knight of Steel
>Followed the Terror of Gaufenburg all the way over the Venit
>Desperate to fix his mistakes
>Pain must redeem, or it is senseless
>Probably doomed

>>82125345
>>82125471
>>82125624
>>82125753
>>82126469
>>82126764
Holy shit, you're really going for it, huh?

>>82127013
It feels organic for me, a good exercise in creation and doing some of the lifting for art people to pick and choose what they like.
Styled after the Thirty Years War, Decentralized France, What we have already, the Brother's Grimm and more general Gothic works. At least for me. I'm always open for suggestions.

>>82127051
My only reservation is we are going for a period roughly 200 years after the 30 years war. Industrialization and urbanization has gripped the world, or at least gripped Lapsaria.

>>82126764
>The Man of the West
>Doesn't want to talk about the West
>Refusing to stop putting as much distance between himself and the West as he can
>Hopes Lapsaria will be better

>The Marsh Cow
>Flabby and cute
>Squeeze his little cheeks
>He get big enough he'll eat you after you die
>Just to keep you around

>The Astronomer
>Convinced there is truth in the Stars
>Listens to crackpots from mountain and marsh alike
>The Salt-Teas Unhinge the Mind you see
>Racist in ways long since forgotten

>The Soap-Box Man
>Preaches that the Federalists are the servants of Sea-Devils
>Also Preaches that worldly folk should be lynched
>Occasionally preaches the health benefits of shit
>Everyone got used to his ramblings

>The Beasts of Ofsbeveld
>Unnerving to the commoners
>Mostly harmless
>To Everyone except the Poachers
>Will occasional stalk the night if given enough tribute

>The Coffee Shop Theorist
>Spoiled resident of the gilded city
>Discusses all matter of theories and economic ideas
>Milquetoast in demeanor, radical in ideology
>Unitary Republicanism will never catch on... Right?

>The Old Westvald Prince
>Lord of the only peaceful region of the Empire
>Family hasn't fought for anything since his great-grandfather's time
>Increasingly worried about word from the East
>Admittedly worried about everything.

>>82127153
Of course, I'm operating on the notion that technology is a few decades behind but looming over the States. Aging things accordingly as Lapsaria's sins are actively seeping.
But Jasentorf is still all matters of contentious so it's a mixed bag. As I said, take what you will.

>>82127153
Jasentorf is backwards place.
Also we are embracing the anachronism a bit, what fun is there to just make a 1 to 1 copy of earth when there's all these magical resources laying aorund?

Captcha says DANDV

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There we go, time to start rearranging existing things and adding the additional ones. I am open to all suggestions for moving people around. My first impression is moving the airship pirates, the true innovator, the aerialist, and the Tsarina's maid down one.

>>82126764
I like the Lime-Deer a great deal.

>>82127344
I think move the Aerialist down 2, Pirates down 1, keep the Maid where she s. She is Pain enough to be where she is.
Also move tyhe Professor down one, archeologist up one, Sligaffi Transplant Down one.

Though in general I'm not so excited for a 11x11. I think making several 5x5 (or wahtever) for other regions/concepts would be more interesting than infinitely increasing the same chart

>>82126260
Lift is the best way to describe it. Lift is the rough equivalent of tonnage for a zeppelin.

>>82127344
>11x11
Ah shit, here we go again.

>>82127376
I take the notion of Stone and Fish as manifesting in many different ways. While they should rhyme in one way or another, they should differ.

>>82127344
Fuck it I'll do the Smith myself.

Finally managed to make Jasentorf and Yothestein stop being a mess on the docs.
Don't know if i should add all of those ideas right now, so I think I will let other anons think on how to organize it.

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>>82127390
That makes sense. I mainly offer it because we don't only have foreign power Wojaks but a fair number of locals that have been posted the last two threads. Rather than a fever pitch of creating new ones I think an 11x11 would be better as a slow burn.

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>>82126511

>tfw you're just a Durite pilgrim trying to reach the Father Stones
>tfw this is the fourth Lapsarian patrol you've had to shoot at
>tfw pursued by Nemijski Braid Hunter
>tfw finally arrive at the stone grove
>tfw the Slab knights were here first

I haven't checked the Docs in a while, but I do like the idea that the Durite Religion has ritual pilgrimages to slabs they believe to be representative of their ancestors (which may or may not be true).

>>82127465
kek

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>>82127465
That's a very good meme friend.

I propose to left dead air god place empty with only captions and maybe few feathers flying around.
>the Wild Empty Yonder
>Sky is empty and lifeless
>At least now
>Sometimes distant winds bring strange feathers
>No gods. No masters. But what about pain?

Kind of shitty that all the gods are equally evil, it just matters how involved they are in your life.

>>82127465
Absolutly Gilded.
>>82127473
I think they either only go to the monolith because they got iconoclasted, or they fo to the menhirs.
But slabs are alright.

>>82127465
>'Is this a dualist setting' asked the rando

>>82127494
>equally evil,
If by that you mean not at all, you're correct.
We will tolerate no blasphemy over the Fisher King in this thread

>>82127516
It is now.

>>82127493
Max pain, neutral stone/fish

>>82127494
King Fisher and Monolith never harmed anyone directly, the true source of evil here lies in mortals.

>>82127494
They're not evil, just lovecraftian. In my opinion Auntie Angler is the only one you can call genuinely evil because she holds out hope only to chomp on you later. Monolith in particular is 100% not evil, he's the definition of true neutral. People keep coming to him expecting generosity or help, and are always disappointed because he doesn't provide it - but that doesn't make him evil.

>>82127494
Auntie Angler is kinda messed up and the King's servants are assholes, but the Sire seems cool, the Papa is generally benevolent for a clam and the Monolith just is.

>>82127494
Stone isn't evil, it just doesn't give a shit.
Is it so bad to just be a rock and chill? It's humans who have to fuck up everything with wars and the like.
And all that King Fisher wants is to take the pain away, and makes all his children.

>>82127493
> I talked to the wind
> My words are all carried away
> The wind does not hear
> The wind cannot hear

>>82127465
By the Oil, magnificent

>>82127533
I think Auntie only gives a damn about family. The Venits are kin. Everything else is a potential meal.

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>>82127516

>>82127585
THE HITS
JUST
KEEP
COMING

>>82127585
4chan is fish aligned, because we will never stop taking the bait.

>>82127494
wrongest thing I've ever read, on so many levels.
One literally acts out of love
One doesn't act at all

>>82127493
>>82127528
>>82127552
Yes, use the space being freed up by the Pirate

>>82127344
I think tthe chart being to big makes some things less impressive
One suggestion: Increae the Monolitth to 3x2, and King Fisher to 2x2. As major parts of the setting, I feel like they should get increased space

>>82127376
are you drawing it?

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Tried to improvise something for Lapsarian air fleet, looks kinda boring to be honest. Any ideas?

>>82127702
Yes I think.

>>82127919
too complex, honestly. I don't know if they even have that complex plans already

>>82128085
>>82127919
I take it back, on second look it's not too complex

>>82128085
They do have airships,and I think the ~8 tthey have here is good enough for a post-schism airforce. Though I do Agree it's a bit complex, and maybe unecessarilyy so.

>>82127919
Maybe have all airships under the same command? Though I'm no usre I fully understood everything here, such as what the "Az"company is, what's the 2nd and 3rd corvete squdrons, if they have no ships in them, etc etc

>>82128107
I'll take 4 4 for Lapsarian Poet

>>82128107
Do you already have the ones made in teh last few threads? Like the The Lapsarian Nobleman, for example

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> The Yechodic Smith
> A Tortured Smith for a Tortured Task
> Taught by Shapers, warped by the Salts and Oils as needed
> Expertly Forged the First Slab-Knight, Refitted them as Needed
> Waiting for the Day his 'Children' truly awaken

Gunning for [8,1], hope it's up to snuff.

>>82128184
Splendid. Been waitting for this for 3(?) threads by now

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>Josentorf Ambitious Princess
>Eldest of 12 Daughters
>Used father's wealth to form mercenary company
>leads from the front
>Hates the Tsarina, secretly models herself after her
>"I will be Empress one day."

>>82128157
>under the same command
Interesting idea, but I think it will make look them as pure expiremental force, which has zero impact on Lapsarian warfare or society.
>if they have no ships in them, etc etc
They probably have ships, but they rather damaged or lack of trained crew. It's really hard to show this in a proper way.
>They probably have ships, but they rather damaged or lack of trained crew.
Probably similliar to the 2nd comapany

>>82128175
I do, I will be adding them.

>>82128212
I may do this one

>>82128217
>Interesting idea, but I think it will make look them as pure expiremental force,
I think they were in the transitton of Experimental to Full on integrated force when the rebellion happened, and they haven't really recovered since.
> zero impact on Lapsarian warfare or society.
I think even if it was an experimental unit, it'd still have plenty of impoact on warfare, as air control is always important. And regarding society, there is some presence of airships in the Private Sector with the Aerialists
> rather damaged or lack of trained crew
As tthe rebellion happened 30(?)ish years ago, I don't think any ships would still be actively damaged, but maybe in disrepair, and probably without enough crew

>>82128107
> .jpg
Is the raw png too big for 4chan? Cause while nothing that ruins the chart, there are definitely jpg artifacts when you zoom in to read the texts