This is a crowd sourced endeavor to create a setting and rpg.What was produced is pic related, the setting of LEVIATHAN (the name is a work in progress), the World of Sacred Oil and Broken Stone. The purpose of this thread is to organize to continue filling out the Lore Document, congregate for map making, and for developing an RPG system for this setting.The story of the world is emergent, being developed as we discuss and explore the Compass. The Docs provides most in-depth explanations of most items, but the main conflicts of the setting are as follows:> The Lapsarians have a secret Bargain with the Ocean Gods for Oil: A fuel source, the heart of the recent industrialization, and food-item which provides boons to those who consume it, though at a cost> The Durite people who are colonized by the Lapsarians are revolting, drawing from both traditional and newfound powers to fight back against their opressors> The remnants of old Lapsarian Rebellions, such as the Last Captain and his crew, still haunt the waters where they were defeated, a sacrifice as part of the Bargain> New powers, like the Industrialists and the Tycoons, fight for dominance in the cities, opposing both each other and other groups (such as the mysterious Hooks) in an ever escalating conflict> All the while and above all human struggles, the Monolith and the Sea Gods exert their influence, their goals (if any) unknowableLore Dump Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjU2GkiDq5tJ8Ih9A9LxyHhC3cvmQANYG579UDgxuOM/edit?usp=sharingRPG System: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f5_EIAdm3fwycQjU4nyoCoAqdRtDj0-rDgtw170SpsALast thread: >>82120317Ongoing Discussions:>The state of life in Lapsarian cities>Lapsarian Climate>Is the prince really stupid?
>>82130747Is doesn't matter if he is stupid, only that he is based.
>>82130747to repeat because it sorta got taken over by the glassblower discussion Suggestion moving the Deacon one space to the left to place him more FISH
>>82130747>Lapsarian ClimateOooooh, so we're getting some mapping/geographing(?) done?
Point of discussion, is Leviathan Grimdark? I would say no, but it's really up to interpretation.
>>82130797I'm working on it now. I didn't forget, just haven't gotten to it yet.
>The Prince has absurdly low stats in everything besides luck and raw confidence>Even the Suitor is sweating because he just keeps plodding along cheerful as can be>Everyone is second guessing themselves about him>Even the Deacon is getting twitchy>Meanwhile, the Prince just having a good time in this strange countryMuch like the Harpooner, we can learn much from this man.>>82130802No. Even if there is darkness, there is a lot of light. You just got to stay out of the bad places.Bad rivers. Maybe invest in a few masks.
>>82130802Don't think so, but as you said, it's up for interpretation. If you go by the wikipedia given definition of a grimdark setting ebing "dystopian, amoral, or violent", then yeah. But I think hopelesness in changing the current situation is a big part of Grimdark, and if nothing else in leviathan nothing is stopping you from either a) Fucking off to another corner of the globe where things might be better or b) actually possibly improving the situation
>Prince is told by a spy that the Tsarina is a lesbian>"Well, I'm not too religious myself, but I wouldn't mind converting!"
>>82130802No, it's just depressing.Just like real life
>>82130747> A Yechod Smith helped forge the first Slab knight> Yechods are jewish influenced> Various Jewish myths revolve around GolemsAre the Slab Knights Dust Golems?
>>82130747Can you swap the boons line from the suitor to this, another anon had a better idea for the line> Hooks begged him to accept the gift. Took it out of generosity
>>82130802I've personally been getting more Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror tones from it, given all the funky fish people we have rocking around (not to mention the giant rock that is basically the world and really doesn't give a shit about anyone).
>>82130921Fun fact, the part of continental tectonic plate that has been pressed under another one and is slowly sinking into molten innards of earth is called "slab"
>>82130747Holy shit I can't believe this is still going. Someone should archive those previous threads.What's the deal with the archaeologist?
>>82131159kek never mind they've been archived mb
We need to sort out what was the Ververia campaign.
>>82131194could stand to sort out a bit more about the slab knights too
Some ideas:>Capri bay had a major city on its shores and several smaller towns>during the Betrayal most within a few hundred feet of the shore were taken and transformed>this is in the terms of tens or hundreds of thousands of phantoms>those who were not taken but were nearby were imparted 'sensitivity'>mystical and spiritual sensitivity has gone from ungodly uncommon to common enough to be employable by the military.
Added the Vastian Rock Eaters.My idea is Vastian is a general term for the cultureless peoples who somehow survive in the desert's interior. Little more than cavemen. Also the Phrenology Skill ties Vastian to Durites (considering their similar grey skin).
Whoever came up with the Goguryeo, I'm thinking of changing the name a bit so it's not straight up old Korea.I tried fusing it with the Okinawan kingdom of Ryukyu to come up with Kyugoryo, is this alright?Also adding a Jem- prefix instead of Gem, because the text on the emissary referenced Jem instead of Gem, so i thought it might have been your original intent and it got auto-corrected or something.
For the new compass: Bottom Row, center left:>Village Watchman:>Watches for fires>Beats the Yechods when he feels like it>Was the blacksmith, handed the shop over to his son>Worried about the volume of salt he's seeing lately>>82130802>is Leviathan Grimdark?I think it's more a "the world is dangerous and things are in a state of flux" but happy times were present in living memory, so it's not like everybody is hopeless.>>82130921I think this has potential. It goes well with the existing mix of disdain for them and appreciation of their usefulness>>82131159>What's the deal with the archaeologist?I think we shouldn't prescribe it in too much detail, since this is somewhere the players can come in and be involved with as it happens. But he touched the monolith - not out of reverence, but curiosity- and something touched him back, something he's bringing back to the Lapsarian capital.
Potential entries >The Venitii Artillerist>Fathers have always served the Crown, Second to Auntie>Joined for tradition, stayed to shred Landies>Erect for General Kelchek>The Mask Stays on>The Lapsarian Dock-Worker>Someone always needs to do this shit>Boats, Air-Boats, Oil-Boats and the Dredgers>Always has pocket change>Multiple debilitating drug addictions>The Capital Street Beggar>The Scum of society>He survived the fuckery that took the old (new) capital>Walked and swam to the new (old) capital>Demands seaweed wine>The Lapsarian historiographer >Came from a monastic family, can't really follow tradition>Got into history at the university>Plans on using his degree to extort aristocrats>This shit is wiggity-wack yo>General Kelchak>Career Officer who rose to General in the New Army>Only ever loved the Cannons>Good Friends with the River Admirals>Would sacrifice anything for the Tsarina>The Street Orphan>Third in command of the general Orphan Landsmoot>Raised by the sewers and canals>Information costs you>Snitches Get Stitches>The Crippled Veteran>Lost his legs in North Veveria>Still doesn't know if it was the Kossoki or friendly fire>Would rather die than go back North>So decrepit nothing will bother taking him in the night>The Ghost Hunter>Mother was a Shamanesse, taught him everything he knows>Often mocked by Capri scavengers>He always finds the bodies>Ain't afraid of no-ghost
>>82131330>>The Venitii ArtilleristI'll try this one once I finish >>82129517's Lord Coloner of the Airforce ( And maybe >>82130496's Freeskal Marsh Herder)
>>82131330>>82131390where are we on the Venitii siege equipment preferences? I suggested they were expert cannon smiths, and cannoneers. another anon said they'd prefer ballistae and scorpions
>>82131298So are these the guys getting sacrificed by the Masovii in the salt pans?
>>82131498No idea yet.
>>82131484Ornate cannons (perhaps in the same pattern as their ornate masks) would be cool.Medieval siege stuff would clash pretty hard with the modernization going on, and not in a way I think we want it to
>>82131484Why not both? Before industrialization and Gundpower they focused mainly on ballistae and scorpions, but after the modernization of the army they adapted and became cannon producers, though still having a thing for adaptations of old-fashioned siege weaponry with modern Tech, though mostly for decorative purposes
>>82131516>>82131524I like thatornate decorations, precise bore drilling makes them accurate and powerful, while being the most well decorated thing your peasant enemy has ever seen.
I am consider in [3,1] to make:>The Lapsarian Master of WhispersThe spymaster & leader of the secret police.
>>82131484That was me.>>82131516>>82131524I support the ideas of these anons.A venitii at home would rather shoot you with the old reliable family crossbow, but he isn't going to turn down a gun if nescessary.The same goes for the siege weapons.
>>82131516>>82131558I think it's probably be ballistae like >>82131524, said, but ornately maid.
>>82131504>>82131498I do like the idea that the Masovii have given the Slifaggi carte blanche to drag as many Vastian savages from their saves to kill on the salt pan. The Masovii are preparing for confrontation with the Lapsarian, clearly, and have turned to magic to do something. They are waking things up, including the Mirror Walker.
>>82131564>[3,1]That's a lot of pain. Will he be a tortured soul himslef, or is that just becaise of the pain he causes others?
>>82131564>Master of WhispersI like that. I think we should shy away from "institutional" sounding anmes for the secret police, and present them as a bit more loosely defined and loyal to the Tsar's throne personally, not as a govt office for the nation as a whole.Which means they will but heads witht he hooks, the deacon, the railroads, and the smugglers.
>>82131595Well, the salt shaman is impressed if the number of sacrifices, so it means that it's an unusual amount.Probably more to do with a rapid industrialization to keep up and more demand for black salt than trying to wake up the mighty salt lord.
>>82131498>>82131595Are the mirror walkers intentional? I thought that the Masovii were sacrificing for the sake of sacrificing (lol. Lmao) and the Mirror walkers were just a thing that happened
>>82131656*A thing that happened because of Father Oyster being sneakyDammit
>>82131656yeah, i also had the impression the Mirror walkers were a "natural" phenomena
>>82130747On the Lapsarian Airship Pilot:musn't > mustn't
>>82131681>>82131656>>82131595Speaking of the mirror Walkers, they were originally meant to be nearer the Fish side but there was no space. Now that tthere's room, maybe push it 2 to the left?
>>82131330>Mistress of the River Lotus>Owner of one of the most successful 'Water-Brothels'>Old laws of the River allow for legal loop-holes>Anonymity costs extra>Diversified into perfume sales>The Winery Owner>Concerned about increased monopolies in the industry>Heir to one of the oldest wineries in the country>Business is still good at least>Smells of the weed>The Lapsari Water-Dog >Cares not for politics>Cares not for war>Just wants to hunt ducks >Loves his owner unconditionally>The Guppy Shark>Terror of the rivers>Eats small children, they taste the best>Even the Fish despise him>The Traditional Gunsmith>Still caters to the old nobility>Almost erotic love for the powders>Plans on shooting up some industrialists bigwigs>Before the cough gets too bad>The Phantasmagoria Master>Has such wonders to show you>Most of which are fraudulent spoofs>What actually goes on in Capri bay scares the funky pants off him>A source of joy in the harsh urban landscape
Took me a while, added The Emperor In Opal in [8,11]
Still to add:>The Northern Border Soldier>The Kossoki Priest>The Kossoki Temple Guard>The lapsarian Monsignor>The Populist Carver Monk>The Alerian Merchant To Draw:>The Lapsarian Master of WhispersCurrent Counts:99/121 (with the additions)
>>82132015Oh, the leader of Masovii. I think someone had named him the Lord-Electant last thread.
>>82132016The Emperor of the Mosavii Commonwealth.
>>82132051>Lord-ElectantAh, I must have missed that.
>>82131931>>82132051Yeah, I think the Title Emperor is a bit generic, something like Lord-Electant Might work better. Also, where did the inspiration for tthe design of the crown come from? It looks cool though a bit like an elaborate cupcake
>>82132061Switched it, added 'High' to make the text balance better.>>82132077Just kept adding layers.
>>82132077Agree, on both the name and the cake.But I want the cake crown to stay.>>82132048How about instead of the populist carver, you add his boss, the arch-bishop?
>>82132117>How about instead of the populist carver, you add his boss, the arch-bishop?I am trying to add people more slowly involved with Lapsaria, which is why I hesitated on the Arch Bishop. Maybe the Patriarchal Order Monk?
So the setting has ritual based magic, at least for how I am constructing the mechanical side. I based the magic off of 19th and early 20th century occultism. So far we have a fair number of more tribal mystics, but I am thinking of who to add on the Lapsarian side of magic.
>>82132132But neither the patriarchal or the populist are invested in Lapsaria. I would argue that the Arch-Bishop has more interest in the place than both of them simply because he is the leader of a rival church, but the best option is to add none of them and keep it internal Lapsaria.
>>82132168Wait, i'm an idiot! There is one that would care for what's happening in Lapsaria, The Sister in Black Iron. Her job is to protect the monks and pilgrim, and both are outlawed and hunted down there.
>>82132185Makes sense. I'll add her.
What's the quick rundown on Alerians?
where would >>Free Diver goA group of people who free dive >>(Freediving, free-diving, free diving, breath-hold diving, or skin diving is a form of underwater diving that relies on breath-holding until resurfacing rather than the use of breathing apparatus such as scuba gear.Besides the limits of breath-hold, immersion in water and exposure to high ambient pressure also have physiological effects that limit the depths and duration possible in freediving.)this group treat free diving as a way of life with some being extremely fanatical saying diving in dangerous waters and dyeing is part of the life
>>82132363You talking about >>>82093436 ?
>>82132363>>82132386I feel like their diving could be extended by using salts or oils, even without equipment
>The Wall that Weeps>A Memory of a Stranger Time>Gave Away Everything>Remembers when the world was Young>Hope lives in the small places
>>82133029That looks like a male nipple lactating
>>82133072I didn't see that until you said it you son of a bitch.
>>82133092The Pain must be shared.
Ok, that's everything we have so far added, I'll need to do a redraw of something.
>>82132574>>82132363>the Free Divers> No tech just SEA OIL AND SALT> Must go Deeper>We are all equal in the depths> the deeper we are the deeper our minds are
>>82133184Planning on doing the Kyugoryo emissary, coul 6,9 be reserved?I don't know if I will finish before going to sleep.
>>82131656>>82131681>>82131707t. guy who wrote them inAs far as I was doing it, the Mirror Walkers are more a by-product of the Masovii's religious activates than the goal of them - the rain there is pretty damn infrequent (so it wouldn't really be practical anyways) but moreso the Walkers are following the Father's song - which is something that if they knew about it they'd be pretty upset about. >>82131498>>82131595the interior vastians being the source of sacrifices is as good an idea as any, though that's probably not the "only" source of them. Tbh when I was writing I didn't really have a direct source for them, but the world was also a lot less developed then so idk>>82131707They way they were written originally was a lot more fish aligned, but because of the space issues they were set to a bit more of a neutral position. They would totes listen to the Monolith as well, if it cared enough to talk to them. Imo, as stuff is now, they're fine on either side of the Coral, so they can stay or be moved based on if someone else needs either slot.
>>82133184Could the lapsarian Officer be Pushed one right, and use [7,3] for> Lord Colonel of the Airforce> Young and full of hope> Growed a mustache to appear older> Thinks he'll be able to revitalize Lapsaria's airforce> Doesn't realize his position is a political trap
>>82133498nice, but it's "grew" not "growed"
>>82133072Glad I'm not the only one who saw it
>>82133511>nice, but it's "grew" not "growed"I am retarded. I thought grew but wrote growed
>>82133498What an absolute lad. I'm doing the world coastline at the moment, but will add it in due time.
>>82133575>I'm doing the world coastline at the moment,Oooh. Will you be posting along as you go? And how far are you drawing the map (Full world or just "near" Lapsaria)?
>>82133595I am doing the first world first so I can make a climate map.
>Lapsarian Cavalry Officer>sounded forth a trumpet that shall never call retreat>airships are for traitors>by saber and by pistol she shall break the foe>has nightmares about her horse sinking in quicksand
A Revised version of the Wall that Weeps because god damn it all.>The Wall that Weeps>Hidden away in the Durit Hills>A Memory of a Stranger Time>Gave Everything it had to Give>Hope lives on, Always
>>82133747It looks even more like a nipple now.I'm sorry dude, rethink your entire drawing and start again.
>>82133747Yup, I still see it. The nipple is a fucking memetic hazard.
>>82133747>Wall Presenting Nipples
>>82133747It's also like, super blurry for some reason
>>82133693>the first world firstI assume you mean the whole world.I mean, that's fine, though I recommend not makimg anything too detailed yet, as we might still want to change stuff around. And for stuff faraway we'll probably touch on more later.
>>82133826I'm afraid now if I restart it's just gonna follow me.Help.
>>82133921Ah yes, I also love the flag of French Sudan
>>82133865I do do the whole world at hardly any level of detail. This is the basic. Red is Lapsari. Orange are active (tall) mountain ranges. Yellow are inactive (shorter) mountain ranges. Being on the west coast means Lapsari will be warm for its lattitude but the shape of the continent means it'll still be cold. Think the climage of England and the pacific northwest. I put deserts to make the Vast's interior a single massive desert.
>>82134142Open question to everyone: is the current capital northern, southern, or towards the center?I guess this depends on where we want the Capri River to be, as that's the old homeland.
>>82134142>Red is Lapsari.I see. Is this with the Durite territoies? Where +- would you be drawing the lie between Durite and Lapsarian lands?Also, if Lapsaria is so north, it's probably pretty cold (> the climate of England and the pacific northwest), and we haven't really considered snow or tundra/near polar regions in lapsaria at all
>>82134283This is with Durite acquisitions and with the Lapsari projecting their power further north. it is pretty far north. My idea is that the world is warmer than earth. Not by a lot, but a tad warmer. It makes Lapsari wet and humid.
>>82134142Honestly I always figured Lapsaria was on the southern Coastline of a landmass at the further western edges of the (apparent) continental body.More Ukrainian than Rusii so to speak.
>>82133184small nitpick, but the Jasentorf wojaks have Jesentorf instead
>>82134425Ah, whoops, I'll fix it.
>>82134354I see. And where would the Durite territories be? Because if they're at pic related (blue), it's a somewhat weird positioning for highly mobile people due to the near encircling mountains, and as we know the Durites (or rather their ancestors) used to raid multiple countries around the world, and should be able to move towards the Monolith near the center of the continent.Though if they are pic related Green, whoile it makes more sense with what we know of the Durites, the occupation seems somewhat small compared to Lapsaria as a whole, and seemingly arbitrarily limited
>>82134485That's what I was thinking, but I am redoing the coastlines now, so I'll redraw based on that.
>>82134559That;s what you were thinking Blue or green?because I think Blue could be solved by breaking the mountainrange to give the Durites free access to the rest of the continent. green would be a bit more tricky, as Lapsaria as a whole would have to get smaller for it to make sense
>>82134602>>82134559Sorry, the green was what I was thinking. I marked it in green on this one. This map makes Lapsaria massive though, but a lot of it would be frozen and unusable. The North Border guard only makes sense if there is a norther border that NEEDS defending. So perhaps I should rearrange again.
>>82133943its the free diver symbol maybe it started is french sudan
>>82134632Maybe like this then? That north bay would be Capri Bay, but being a cold bay that might ice over for part of the year doesn't really make sense for their most important naval port.
>>82134632>This map makes Lapsaria massive though, but a lot of it would be frozen and unusable.Also, distortion due to the map being a projection of a sphere definitely makes it look bigger, > The North Border guard only makes sense if there is a norther border that NEEDS defending.maybe Masovii is on the right side of Lapsaria's mountain chain, and some of their people claim the lands to tthe north of Lapsaria. Altough unusable, it's still techinally a frontier with another country and thus must be defended.Though lapsaria still *seems* massive (though i think while we're making a Global map that'll always look pretty weird), and locations for its neighbors are limited.
>>82134632>>82134485honestly I had them figured for more territory
>>82134700Oh, you already reworked it.This is cool, and we can still apply what i suggested here >>82134711. Though I think the Durite occupation can be slightly increased>>82134716Problem is this is a world map, so both of those territories would be absolutely massive, especially the Durite's since theres less distortion from the projection.
>>82134755I feel like this is something that we should be using a 1500s style map for.IE; So I think France is a Cube and Turkey is a very misshapen sandwich.
>>82134755true, I do think they should hold comparable territory to the Lapsarians though, it would add considerably to the logistical side of the issues they've been having. Even if most of the space is unused steppe, or impassible mountains, it gives a lot more space for rebels and insurgents to set up from.
>>82134781> 1500s style mapConsidering the world's and lapsaria's tech level are in the 1800's, we can definitely have semi-precise maps. Pic related is a 1817 map>>82134799True, and I agree they need a little more space in the map. But remember that equal in the map doesn;t mean equal in practice, due to map distortions. So for the sizes to be near equal, the map area for the durites needs to be somewhat smaller
>>82134879Potentially, but I feel like this is a very recent science.However I'll be honest this is just to leave some grey space while getting a general feeling for landmass.
>>82134879so the far north looks a bit like a botch circumcision but the rest is relatively on point
>>82134899well given the existence of airships, cartographical surveying might actually be a lil bit better for the equivalent time period
>>82134900>so the far north looks a bit like a botch circumcision but the rest is relatively on pointKek. As they say, Mercator is one hell of a drug>>82134899>Potentially, but I feel like this is a very recent science.Well, this is a late 1700's map (1786). There's definitely some wonkyness, but still generaly good.+ Defining the whole world is, according to CCA, much more a question of getting worldwide climates right than actually what any civillization knows, so a map focusing on one single nation could definitely be more limited.
>>82134899>>82134879>>82134781This map is more to just get some general ideas, not for the actual map of Lapsaria. I am going to zoom in for that. I messed with it again, brought Lapsaria down, but now parts of it are in the tropics, so that feels wrong too.
>>82134991Ah good, now it's a bellybutton
>>82134991Friend, your nipple isn't looking so good.
>>82134991THERE WE GOMuch better.
>>82134986I'm starting over I think.
>>82134991Now there’s a wall that weeps and doesn’t look like a nipple.
>>82134991turn your head sideways and it looks kinda like your mum did this morning
>>82134986>>82135020Keep trying, every iteration is getting closer. It’s a tough nut to crack but once we bust that nut it’ll make everything else easier once we have a strong foundation to place things on and fill in the blanks.
>>82135009My nipples are such terrible things sir.>>82135035Be glad we're not in the part of the Vast where the Walls Fuck.
>>82134986I think moving this up, and maybe expanding it horizontaly would be good
>>82135079>Be glad we're not in the part of the Vast where the Walls Fuck.>*sound of rock roughly rubbing against rock* >high art for vastion rock eaters
Ok, I think this might work.
>>82135320Should the world be more ocean than land? The big continent strip is sorta weird to me
>>82135320Oh yeah, this looks quite good. Gonna fill in the rest of the mountains now? For reference, here's what i think by looking at this map. Blue is masovii, Yellow is Jasentorf, purple is Sligaffi.
>>82135395That's probably too big for Masovii, we need to have a large section in the center that's just Vastian Wasteland.
>>82135393Maybe thwos out the southern pole of continent and make it a bit weirder down south to compensate.Also, >>82135320 anons requested a couple of trheads ago that the coast of Jasentorf be more ragged-like (Like denmark), so when we decide where it's going to be tat should be spomething we keep an eye out for that
>>82135424I generally don't do any roughness on the coasts until I zoom in a great deal more.
>>82135432lol, that's the opposite of me. When I draw a map, I draw fjords first and then everything else next because fjords are so much fun to draw.
I feel like the Vast should be a little more... Uh. Vast.Potentially all of the power's we've addressed also being on the same side. Except for Goryu.
>>82135415>That's probably too big for Masovii,I think that as a commonwealth, it's fine for it to be pretty big, considering all the cultural acceptance shenaniigans. Also, map distortions and stuff. Though it can defininitely be smaller by a tad.>>82135415>we need to have a large section in the center that's just Vastian Wasteland.i though That'd be futher to the south, like Grey in pic related (Subject to the mountains due to rain shadows and whatnot)>>82135432Fair
>>82135544This thread has given me hope I'd forgotten and shitposts I'd never imagined.
>>82135522Masovii should be between Lapsaria and the Vast. Maybe not directly beside Lapsaria, but that sort of thing
Ok, the first level of zoom. This is before I start doing the actual Atlas styling, It will go through another zoom for this. The main thing I need is to begin labeling locations. Out there on the northern coast, the western Bay I think is Capri.
>>82135639I second this, they're the horse based wall between the slab breakers and the monolith>>82135522we still need somewhere for the sunset isles, and I believe they were said to be to the south of the vast
>>82135639>Masovii should be between Lapsaria and the VastFair, something like this then?Can't move Masovii much furtehr south without it becoming a Tropical country, which seems against what's beens estabilished for it thus far(If some borders seem a bit arbutrary, is because thy're based on landmaks like rivers or mountains not yet there, and are open for alteration)>>82135678Sunset Isles can be pink? Though with more isles
>>82135544I’m so blessed that my snark and has birthed such beauty into the world.
>The Hasyyiam Elder>Watched his culture die >Watched his people turned into belly-dancers and oil-wrestlers>Left to go to the capital for his last years>The Orphans around here like his stories, at least
>>82135756Wtf, for some reason when I moved the Isles down a copy remained up. Consider just the ones in pink
>>82135765Jesus that's sad.
>>82130802>>82135765to answer ops question, it wasn't before you made this post
>>82135765Is there any culture in this entire setting that is going to have a happy ending?
>>82135853depending on how the Durite conflict pans out...Maybe
>>82135853Rockfuckers seem pretty happy with fucking their rocks.
>>82135869Even if they win their culture is going to be horribly scarred and possibly even end up just as bad as their former oppressors.
>>82135805>>82135831Eyup. The Oils are some Krokodil shit.But even if it's the end for the old Hasyyiam, the Elder is going to have his stories survive because he does pass them on. Which is more than can be said of some parts of Lapsarian Culture.>>82135853All cultures either die out or transform. Or if they're lucky, they blossom outwards and create something new with a clear connection.
>>82135879well if both sides cripple each other, the Kossoki get a happy ending
>>82135890>>82135853actually probably worth noting that the Kossoki aren't exactly displeased with the current state of affairs. they're not required by the Lapsarians to follow orders or maintain a constant presence in Durite lands, so they're more or less free to come and go as they please and fight at their leisure. all things considered this is a bit of a morale high point in the culture.
>>82133184I think I forgot to mention, but the compression is way less noticable now. Thanks for adjusting it!
Added the two new items.
I feel like my problem is this peninsula thing we're doing. It makes things very constricted at some points, and it makes it hard to have a big inland centre part like the Vast's supposed to beI think something more globular / Pangaea-like would work better not that what i just drew up in paint is anything incredibly serious, but as an example>>82135320And just to confirm, the brown here is mountain ranges, right?
>>82136173I think you forgot >>82133498
>>82136173Is maid kill? If so that's too bad.
>>82136214No, she's just claimed. By the Tsarina
>>82136224NOOOO KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY DEPRESSED WAIFU YOU AUTOCRATIC WHORE
>>82136173what do you mean by claimed
>>82136192WATCH THIS, I REVERSED IT
>>82136173Think you can save [4,7] for the Venitii Artillerist I'm working on?
>>82136214Hopefully she gets moved to the remaining neutral spot. I like the plucky lass.>>82136229You are too late anon. I have already written fanfiction of the Tsarina ruthlessly encouraging the maid to be more confident and utterly plowing her poor sleeping habits.Leaving the poor maid one of the better put together people in the royal household and a vital part of her information network. And I guess they smash at some point.
>>82136280>Hopefully she gets moved to the remaining neutral spot. IBut she needs to be PAIN. And I guess kinda fishy is appropriate as she's mostly discovering dish plots
>>82136271AAAAHHHH Surely he is a Stone-Shaper!!!Raise the Pikes!
>>82136295Should she swap places with the Drone? He ain't feeling much these days.
alright so the Jasentorf standard for arms seems to be flintlocks. So as was suggested on the doc, we could make percussion caps a development of Oil alchemy, another boon of the Bargain.so to keep with Lapsaria being several decades ahead of the rest of the world, again as was suggested on the doc, we could have them using something like the Dreyse needle gun. It'll give them a definite but not overpowering edge in firepower at the cost of complexity and likely causing the production bottleneck that was mentioned as one of the logistics issues Lapsaria is facing.
>>82136173If we do a "Southern Border Soldier", then he should have a line "at least he's not on the northern front"
>>82136305>He ain't feeling much these days.Kek.But i think she needs to be at most 4 down form the top. She is pretty paranoid (And fucked)
>>82136332S-surely the maid will find a party of investigators that will use the information she's gathered to expose the corruption of the oil industry.
>>82136307Just remember that even with flintlock technology, rifles are possible. Just very rare. So Jasentorf's skirmishers can be scarily accurate if they're backed by a powerful prince.
>>82136332Doesn't leave much in the way of options, and she is still very much a sweaty-ass normal human being. We'll see what the re-org does and shuffle what we can I guess.Still, it's a rare situation when I find every part of a setting engaging and the same with a chart. The only thing I'd really want for LEVI is a touch-up to everything after we finish the chart.
>>82136413I'm well aware, there were rifled matchlocks back in the 16th century, I feel like most of them would use smooth bore for the quick reloads though.like I'm pretty sure britain adoped a rifled musket at one point and switched back to smooth bore because they could get an extra shot off every minute.
>>82136272I've got the Cannon itself Done, but Now I need to head to bed. When I wake up I'll try finishing this.
What's the endgame of the Fisher King? To use the oil to turn the human race into deep ones? To cover the entire world in ocean? It seems to me like the real "bargain" would entail this.Though it would be a neat plot twist if it were discovered the Monolith is actually the ultimate evil, despite whatever horrors the Fish Gods are responsible for.
>>82136597The Brackish Ones take humans and turn them into eggs, which become Hatchlings. That's my interpretation, at least.That's probably not the singular plan, though. It's just one of them. You have the Handmaiden and Suitor's mutations as well.
>>82136597>What's the endgame of the Fisher King? To use the oil to turn the human race into deep ones?Maybe if that's what he thinks is best for humanity. His goals are mainly helping his "children".> Though it would be a neat plot twist if it were discovered the Monolith is actually the ultimate evil,That directly conradicts the motiff we've been pushing for this whole time. The monolioth is supposed to be akin to a force of nature. It Can't be Evil because we're not even sure it thinks. It just is. Any worshiping, miracles or depravities it commits aren't intentional because it has no intentions to begin with.
>>82136597It is the nature of water to pull and sway. Where there is purchase, water flows, filled with Fish.
>>82136597>endgame of the Fisher KingMystery
>>82136597That's a very buddhist take on it. Existance itself is pain, and because the Monolith "capital E" Exists it is the ultimate evilSlab Knight Philosophy Hour?
>>82136690SLAB KNIGHTS ARE PUPPETS OF THE YECHODIAN DEEP STATEWAK UP YAKEEPLE
>>82136714>I'm just skeptical about the worship of->SILENCE SERVANT OF THE MONSTROUS STONES
>>82136271AMAZINGBut jokes aside it still looks pretty good
>>82135765This produces two moods>Depression>HOT HASYYIAM BELLY-DANCERS IN YOUR AREA, CLICK HERE TO SEE THE DETAILS!!!
>>82136214That's a mistake, whoops.>>82136272Done.
>>82136825We are at 100/121 doneWe have 3 claimed spots and 1 redraw spot, and 1 to add. We'll be looking at 16 more spots to fill.
>>82136198I did, adding him now.
finna get a fancy pistol with a stock of the finest whale tusk ivory
>Wake up>The Americans have done great work>It's all in keeping with the setting>It adds but doesn't clutter>no dualismfags in sightDare I say based?
>>82135890>>82135939I'll see how happy they are once the Deacon is revealed to be a blooody hereticThey'll just also become fish worshipper, won't they? Christ almighty...
>>82137009The Synanceian Dualist got added to the chart, though.
Anyone saved lore of the northern border troops?Is there any timeline of events, at least for Lapsaria?
>>82136875So looking at the Kossoki priest, just making suretthat it is clear that the Kossoki priest follows the state relgion, right? No reason to be purged really. He'd love to touch the Deacon's robes one day.
>>82136448sharpshooters and many skirmishers used rifles and continued to do so while rank and file used smooth barrels
Adapted an old lad I did for a different compass for the Master of Whispers. >>82137042The idea is he's gonna get purged because he isn't Lapsari. It's race riots, not religious ones.
>>82136614>You have the Handmaiden and Suitor's mutations as well.and those of the Durite rebels of course
>>82137040The only definite we have is the Old Tsar was the one the deal was brokered under. This happened 25-30 years ago and culminated in the Capri Bay Rebellion and The Betrayal. The Old Tsar died not long after and the Tsarina rose to power as a young teenager.
>>82137121>he got taken too, just like the Last CaptainOh God. No. Anything but that.
>>82137113I think the idea is the Tsarina rose to power around the age of 10 ish
>>82137219Ah, so a bit earlier than young teenager. I was thinking around 13-14.
>>82137113the deal could also have been brokered a bit earlier than that, 35-40 years, to give a bit more time to develop. Although I'm not sure if it is needed.
>>82137255Maybe we need a different term for pre-Bargain deals and the big B Bargain itself.
Just throw some numbers on the wall. Does it stick?
>>82136271Yeah I think this definitely fits the Pangea with large inland dessert idea more.
>>82136271Lol, Iran map.
>>82137255>>82137113I think 30ish years was around what we determined a few threads ago, the Tsarina seems in her early 30's though the use of oil has made her appear more youthful than she actually is
>>82137262Old Tsar >diedlike, within months of the Bargain. The period after that was a Regency by the Deacon
>>82137295I don't think it should be by the Deacon. There should be another noble Lapsarian who took that role. It could be added to the count's entry.
>>82137295I love the fact that the deacon had a regency, really went gham on consoldiating power, but then still chose to abdicate power to the Tsarina in sucha way that she has evidently had a very strong influence herself. Kind of speaks to the Deacon's foresight, he doesn't make her a puppet until it blows up in his face, he makes sure there's a competent ruler.
>>82137262Tsarina is meant to take power around the age of 10, so how about the Tsarina was born around the year of the bargain or shortly before, the Capri bay rebellion happening around 3 years after, the Veverian campaign happening about 5 years later, and the Old tsar died 2 years later leaving the Tsarina in charge helped greatly by her trusted advisor the Deacon
>>82137312The general idea was that the Deacon was the one who set in motion the Betrayal at Capri Bay during the time of the Regency iirc
>>82137338>>82137262>The Tsar is introduced to the real power of the sea gods by the Deacon>The Tsarina is born and the Tsar's wife dies in childbirth>The Bargain is made in order to preserve the Tsarina's life>the Tsarina miraculously returns to life>the Tsar has already doomed his country
>>82137360ehhhh, seems shoehorned
>>82137348I think he can do that even if he was only highly influential during that time rather than the Regent.
>>82137360All of this happened like in few weeks?
>>82137348>>82137312the deacon set it in motion, but he wasn't necessarily the ruler, he worked mostly in the shadows.
>>82137374Fair, maybe he just did it because he was a bastard. I am a sucker for melodrama, so I like men who get fucked over by rapid decision making in times of crisisAlso the Tsarina's mother is gone, dying during childbirth is as good a time as any.
>>82137378>>82137360>>82137374Actually, I have a much worse idea. The Tsarina's mother was one of Auntie's Handmaidens as part of the terms of the deal, it's why she is so interested in having people around the Tsarina.
>>82137392>>82137360>>82137374one of the older ideas was that the Deacon was dripping poison in the ear of the tsar, convincing him that the Masovii were planning to unify with the Durites, or otherwise start moving against them, and that the boons brought by the bargain would be the only way to defeat them. The deacon stoked the paranoia of an already paranoid man that wished the best for his country and felt the sacrafice he was making was for the greater good, when in actuality he was just being manipulated so the Deacon could gain himself more influence with the ear of the young and impressionable Tsarina.
>>82137406Yeah, the deal was for the mother's life, not her daughter's. And nowhere in the deal was it said the mother would come back human.
>>82137406you know, i feel like the reason why there are so many fishy boys at court is mainly because they all came from the same line of: Handmaiden is fishy, then: pls draw a chad version of handmaiden, then me doing a female confident one and then realizing they meant a literal chad, so me doing a chad. So these are just riffs on the same person. I don't know if the compass is representative in this case.
>>82137426the Tsar's untimely death wasn't a coincidenceThe tsarina was always meant to have the throne in this time of rapid change
>>82137406>The Tsarina is half fish>Auntie Angler is literally the Tsarina's auntI like it
Slightly changed timeline. But I see anons are not really agreed on this question.
>>82137430The Handmaidens as in the strange fish monsters, not just a Handmaiden.
>>82137360sorta gay anon
>>82137444Yeah, I came up with a dumber idea.
>>82137426I do like this general thing with other countries - even though they aren't actually doing the influencing - influencing the bargain, just by existing in the setting and being connected
>>82137463and we may never know if there was any plan to begin with or if it was all just a part of the Deacon's plan
>>82137438I think the deacon would want to get the Tsarina on the throne as early as possible to serve as a legitimizing figurehead, while he advised her.so maybe she took the throne shortly after the betrayal, as a way to keep the people pacified.
So are the Angler's Handmaidens canon now?
>>82137438also I think current time is closer to 35 years after
>>82137491>>82137511So we have almost 28 years to fill.May be I will add some Uncertain dates in far past to connect other countries.
>>82137535I think we should consider the Tsarina's birth and the original Bargain being the same event.
>>82137099>leaves offerings in the mistthis is one of my favourite lines on this compass, low key
>>82137535How long was the Captain's Rebellion going for? I think we should give it at least a year or two.
>>82137553>>82137535I mean in the idea that she was conceived and birthed as part of the Bargain, the Tsar being the father and something from the sea being the mother.
>>82137553So we need additional timeline for Bargain year.
>>82137564>Tsarina doesn't have any gifts because she's not a human turning into a fish, she's a fish that turned into a human
>>82137535well we do know that rapid industrialization in Lapsaria followed the bargain, and with the captain's rebellion crushed the biggest issue to worry about would be the rising unrest in the Durite colonial territory, and the rapid industrialization on the homefront.and for distant past reference, one of the suggestions was that the Tsarina's great grandfather, Tsar Pietr the Unifier was the one that brought the Venit and Timajor peoples under Lapsarian rule.
>>82137577Nice ideas, I will wait a little more for another suggestions and remake timeline chart.
>>82137577>>82137564The Tsarina's conception being the beginning of the bargain also gives us more time to industrialize. It would be the bargain ~32 years in the past or so.
>>82137577>Tsar Pietr the UnifierMay be another name, it's too straightforward from history textbook.
Btw, we have to use somewhere "Institute of pseudo-mechanics" or "textbook of pseudo-mechanics". Just cool word, wanted to use it somewhere for a long time.
>>82137553I think one life is a little small for the nature of the bargain. It seems like the Kingfisher traded vast resources that would give a massive economic and technological boost, as well as potentially gifting Lapsarians esoteric knowledge to put those resources to best use. The price being either a one time deal of tens of thousands of sacrifices, or that was just the first payment, and they need to keep up a steady supply. Possibly they collect Durite prisoners, which "go missing" in the custody of the Order of Ichthys. The rebels have to meet the sea gods somewhere.Additionally they required that the Lapsarians eradicate the faith of the monolith, and destroy their objects of worship.I feel like this was a deal made to try and make the country as a whole more powerful at the cost of innocent lives.
>>82137595That said we could always just say the Tsarina is closer to 40 and her youthful appearance is a result of her use of Oil. that would give us an extra decade to work with regardless of a few years difference in birth years.so she looks in her late 20's, is actually in her early 40's, and was born around the time of the bargain, give or take a few years so current time is roughly 40 years post bargain
>>82137553>>82137564I don't really like that. It's better if she's a real person rather than part fish. There's already enough of that around her in her court. I honestly think that having her born before the bargain is the right way to go, and not only that, but a more interesting one.>>82137643>at the cost of innocent livesPlease remember. The Fisher King does all that he does because he loves you. The Bargain is not one of traders, where it is an exchange of equal goods, rather it is that of a parent to a stubborn child. "If you finish all your homework we can go out for ice cream later". It is a reward for, at least in the Fisher King's eyes, doing a good job.
>>82137817>I don't really like that. It's better if she's a real person rather than part fish. There's already enough of that around her in her court. I honestly think that having her born before the bargain is the right way to go, and not only that, but a more interesting one.agreed>>82137643>I think one life is a little small for the nature of the bargain.the real lapsarian side to the bargain is the whole of Lapsaria. Lapsaria is given to the OCean, and we can see it transform before our eyes. The Tsar may have thought that he was giving some lives or whatever to pay for it, but that's a category error on his part. The king gives his gifts FREELY. He gives to care for his children, and to have more children to care for. Capri bay wasn't payment, it was the sealing of the deal, a show of good intention.The Lapsarian half of the bargain may not realize this, but this is what the nature of the Bargain - and any bargain with the king - looks like. A fully selfless act of fishy recuperation.
Just improved timeline, but still need some events to fill gap before current time.
>>82138006600-590 I assume you mean Jasentorf Emperor?
>>82138045why does it take so long from bargain to durite unrest? Isnt one the cause of the other?
>>82138179Tension was growing, I guess.
>>82137438 > 1 year between the bargain and Capri Bay rebellionBut wasn't the defeat of the Rebellion what sealed the Bargain?Did the sea gods come knocking on the tsar's door a year after they struck their Bargain to remind them to pay?
>>82138302again, they didnt pay for the bargain, they sealed it. It was not a payment, it was the final sign that they had passed the point of np return. There are no payments for gifts, only shows of gopd faith
>>82138319>There are no payments for gifts, only shows of gopd faithTrue, but the bargain is very explicitly not a Gift. If not due to its name, then because the Brackish Ones "Collected PAYMENT for the Bargain".
>>82138346>>82138045Also, any particular reason why the Tsar dies right after the Bargain? I think it makes sense if nothing else than due to the dramatic irony of having the Tsar destroy the ship that was his ambition and pride to have the Tsar die After the Capri Bay Rebellion.
>>82138045>>82138006I'm sorry, is the Betrayal not the end event of the Capri Bay Rebellion? The timeframe of those should be a lot closerCould also throw in the Masovii Tribes Confederating (sometime after the Jasentorf Empire breaks down, but still a while ago- 400 BB ish?), and the Masovii gaining control of Sligaff.(maybe 90 BB - still sorta recent in the grand scheme of things, but a enough that several generations have come and gone since then)>>82138179Putting the above aside - there's steps to the thing. First of all, they had to actually start their conquest of Durit, which given that it's been around 1 generation since that happened, was probably during the Deaconcy/Early Tsarina period. Then there's the fact that they had to establish control and actually start, y'know persecuting them for that stuff to start building up after the military defeat. And the industrialization and military organization for all this had to happen beforehand and took time to build for.
>>82138045And what exactly is "The Betrayal" (Which I think you misspelt)?If you mean what CCA commented here >>82131256, I interpreted the Betrayal (Mostly due to >>82137113) as something that followed immediately from the reult of the battle in Capri Bay, not a separate event and definitely not a few years apart
>>82138367>DiesThe funeral was with a closed casket. There was no body. He has a better existence now, courtesy of the Fisher King
>>82138382>they had to actually start their conquest of Durit, which given that it's been around 1 generation since that happened, was probably during the Deaconcy/Early Tsarina periodI think the Durites had been occupied for a while now (40-50 years), but only recently became rebellious due to increased repression, etc.>>82138407Fair, though the point still stands that having the Tsar being forced to deal with the Rebellion would be deliciously ironic
>>82138391>Which I think you misspeltSorry
>>82138428Any coments on >>82138382 and >>82138391?
>>82138417I think the Durite occupation is even older than that, it's just that the oppression to this extent started with the bargain
>>82138705Could definitely be, but Much older than that and it gets too close to the Conquest of the Venit+Timajor. So I think ~60 would be a cutoff point, unless we decide to push the conqueest of the Venit further back in time
>>82137099I'm probably going to sleep right now, but come tomorrow I'll make either>Coral Island "Navy" person (woefully unprepared but doesn't even know it yet)>Mosavii Horse person (need some non-high class people from Mosavii, could also do a Slagaffi -something-)with actual fluff + picture. Asking to save 2 slots feels like too much, so idk - whichever one people want on the chart. Sunset Islander is probably in the FishFaith quadrant, which the Mosavii Horse guy would be StoneFaith.
>>82137099Are we going with the Master of Whispers being the guy in charge of the Secret Police that's been proposed? Because that would lend them a certain esoteric/mystical quality that could work quite well.
>>82137099>>82136272Here we go:[4,7] (Or somewhere in tat vicinity, preferably more Stone than the Venity Ferryman)>The Venitii Artillerist> Forefathers have always served the Tsar (Second to Auntie)>Joined for tradition, stayed to shred Landies>Likes cannons, Loves Ballistae>The Mask Stays on
>>82138991>>82137099Shit fuck damn, forgot the file
would the head of the DCMA wear military or civilian clothing?
I've illustrated a prompt from last thread for the Josentorf thread. >The Enzingarian Commoner>The Archtypical Hick of Jastendorf>No one understands a word he says>Left out of politics>Happy to be left with his Brews
>>82139193cleaned him up
>>82137426This is the better idea.>>82137817Hard agree, stop trying to turn this into some power level everything is the fault of gods.Let men do the mistakes.
>>82139193>>82139222It seems Jasentorf is where all the happy lads come from.
>>82137817>It is a reward for, at least in the Fisher King's eyes, doing a good job.Praise Fish Daddy.
>>82139299>Let men do the mistakes. I had a though regardin this idea a while ago. The thought being, the Fisher King never outright told people to destroy the Slabs or hunt the Monolith worshippers, he just cautioned them about the dangers of the Monolith. But the Deacon interpreted it(or had it interpreted to him) as "kill all stone worshipers", and started a whole extermination campaign against them, leading to the Durite rebellion, tense relations with their neighbors, etc etc.So once again, not the fault of the god, just people fucking up and acting out of fear of the unknown
>>82138428Pyotr and the Tsardom's unification really needs to be older honestly.Knock it back a couple centuries and tie it together.
>>82139380>I had a though regardin this idea a while ago. The thought being, the Fisher King never outright told people to destroy the Slabs or hunt the Monolith worshippers, he just cautioned them about the dangers of the Monolith.This idea that there is not really a mandate to supress the Durites has been floated before and I'm sympathetic to it. But it should definitely not just be "caution them about the dangers of the Monolith" and more "encouraged them to reduce stone worship so he can come in and give nice gifts". It should be mistaking a soft ask for a condition, not a completely different kind of statement for an imperative.
>>82139418>encouraged them to reduce stone worship so he can come in and give nice giftsThat is a much better idea. I had some gripes with the idea of the Fisher King demanding stone worship to end as it would just make him seem petty, but the idea that he expressed he wanted to have more children to gift, and people took that too far, is a good interpretation
>>82139442>'Bring me more folk, and I reward you better'>The Deacon looks around>Notes the Durites and their stone>"So what if..."
>>82139531I like that idea, makes both the fisher king more amoral and open to interpretation but makes the deacon more of a bastard and puts the persecution of the stone worshippers in a more human lens. Human cruelty spurred on by ambivalent supernatural forces is very on brand for this setting.
>>82139681The Fisher King takes away pain.The Monolith is removed from it as stone is.It's the Lapsarians who are looking at the Durites like a bunch of Tsarists looking at the Circassians.
>>82139681>akes both the fisher king more amoral and open to interpretation but makes the deacon more of a bastardThis. Making the "gods" have a less well defined morality and making most tragedies be the result of human intentions seems very appropriate forwhat we've been going for.
>>82138428Change the 600-590 to 720-590 and just chaos in empire led to federalization, because it was a dark age and with multiple reasons for it.
>>82138367I imagine he doesn't actually die in the traditional sense. The reason the Deacon convinced him to do the Bargain instead of making a deal of his own was because he knew enough to know the brakish ones are gonna collect eventually. He wanted the old Tsar out of the way leaving him in a position of immense political power at a time when Lapsaria would be extremely powerful due to the boon. The old Tsar is serving the Fisher King in his own way now.
>>82139951Oh yeah, I agree with that. My main thing is less the "dying" part (I used that language as that is whjat's said in teh timeline) and more the timing of him getting dissapeared. I think he should disapear after the rebelliion, not bofore it.
>>82139991With the rebellion happening after he died, it meant that the Deacon could have sealed the bargain without opposition.Because the capri bay rebellion meant that it was the point of no return for Lapsaria.What I don't get is what the hell is the betrayal, wasn't it the rebellion?
>>82140070>With the rebellion happening after he died, it meant that the Deacon could have sealed the bargain without opposition.Fair, though I'm still fond of the idea of the sacrifice in Capri Bay being as much of the tsar's ambitions, as he sacrifices his prize ship, as of human lives> What I don't get is what the hell is the betrayal, wasn't it the rebellion?We aren't really sure. CCA threw that idea up here >>82131256, but most people interpreted it as something that happened immediately after the Battle at Capri Bay, not several years Later.Timeline anon still hasn't responded to inquiries about it Not clear if he's asleep, if he just mised it, or if he's purposely ignoring it
>>82139385>>82138428we could make it 4 reigning tsar's back and have each rule for about 60 years, up until the old Tsar's was cut short at only about 30-40.Which would put the unification about 150-200 years before the Bargain.Also the Kossoki would have split from the Durites around 500 years agothe Durites would have discovered the monolith a few millennia ago, and slowly started adopting a more agrarian culture, though by the time of the Lapsarian invasion into Duritas(I like that name but I don't know if it's the actual name for the country) only about 1/3 of the Durite population were sedentary.I think the Durite invasion was shortly before the Bargain, about 5-10 years, with the Durites enduring it until the bargain when the Lapsarians began their crusade against monolith worship. Conditions in Duritas quickly deteriorated, and more and more Durites joined up with Durite insurgent forces, which included the remains of their military, and others joined the more radical rebel groups.
>>82140125If the Durite lands are Durita, than the language should be Durit.
>>82140113>>82140070Yeah I think it was whatever caused the current condition of Capri bay, which was implied to have also ended the captain's rebellion.
>>82140125>have each rule for about 60 yearsThat doesn't really work very well.A Tsar has assumes the throne at 20 and has a kid at 20. He dies after ruling for 60 years. By this point his kid is already 20 himself.So unless the tsars are having kids REALLY late (Like, at their 60s), you need to have shorter rules.
>>82140159>By this point his kid is already 20 himself.60. I meant to say the kid is already 60 himself.
With all that talk about the old Tsar I thought I'd draw him.
>>82140150So how about1 rebellion2 betrayal4 rapid industrialization5 air fleet7 ververia9 tasrina crowned>>82140113He's probably asleep.
>>82140125Lapsaria and Duritas strike me as a nation that formed out of several principalities and one that was only unified under Lapsarian rule.I feel like the first Durits under the foor would be those immediately on the far shore of the Nemit, and like Ireland it wasn't an all at once deal.I also feel like the agrarianism should be a more recent development. To an 'outer' Durit you were always a farmer and have no recollection of a time when your people lived outside the Tsardom. However on the fringes that could be a more recent development and the Demi-nomadic presence never fully went away. Your dad talks about when the Kossoki rolled up and planted the flag, and your cousins all drive goats in the badland.It's also better if we account for contentions in succession. But that is me.>>82140176>Some people say its the Tsar>A fucking fishLeave it up in the sair, and make it clear the old Tsar might as well be dead regardless.
>>82140176Kek> Royal Axolotl> Extremelly rare specimen> One of the most prized possessions of Synanceian Professor> Seems oddly inteligent and aware> "Why does it have a crown shaped mark on its head?"
>>82140190Capri Bay happened after industrialization had already occured at least to some extent
>>82140176I would pet the old tsar.
>>82140159could be that their ascendency is age dependent, so regency skips a generation or two and the grand child of the current Tsar Ascends the throne around the age of 20. or just chuck in a couple 10-20 year reigns in between
>>82140211Correct. The Our Lady in Grey isn't something you're gonna Mao your way up to.
>>82140190>So how about>1 rebellion>2 betrayalThat could work, though the main impression was the betrayal being almost immediate. Maybe it wasn;t something that happened overnight, so the 1year time difference marks the time it took people to realize the region was becoming uninhabitable?Also >>82140211
>>82140211Rapid industrialization, not industrialization itself.Which means after the betrayal and the sealing of the bargain, things became intense, probably more whale started showing up in a year than had been seen before in a century.
>>82140233>The Capri Bay Die-Hard>Refuses to leave his ancestral home>Scares off looters with weapons taken from dead looters>Likes the neighborhood better this way>"Sure is spooky out there."
>>82140231I was thinking the industrializatipn started back in 8 bb, since they were planning airship and all.So the tsar pulled all the industries and made them start pumping out military grade things for his big project.
>>82140240With the Lady in Gray, rapid industrialization kind of already had to have occured. I feel like the big problem is having Capri Bay so close to the Bargain. I get the "sealed the bargain" bit, but couldn't it have happened on credit? It could also be a metaphor, that they were the last hold-outs before all the tsardom was firmly working in the interests of the king
>>82140192>I also feel like the agrarianism should be a more recent developmentOh yeah. I thought it was common grounds that the chnage in way of life of Durites was one of the reasons behind the rebelion. The Lapsarians were pushing them from nomadic to agrarian lifestyles, and not all of them were fine with that. So even more recent than you amke seem, in fact, something of the last 40-50 years (Depending on how far back the Durite colonization began)>>82140240Fair point. >>82140221This is interesting. The ascendency being age dependent woul indirectly encouage Tsars to have children late, as to not imotivate potential power struggles within the family, as well as introduce interesting dynamics in a way that isn't just copying something from the real world (as far as I know, at least)
>>82140277I didn't do the timeline, I'm working with what the anon made.If it's better to just change the timeline all together, than let's do it.
>>82140272I'd make it 38 bb because if history has taught me anything, those first steps are fucking bumpy. It would come into its own under the Tsar and be restrained to the super urban areas, but it would be enough the kinks would be worked out and industry would be up and running for when the oil starts flowing and the slab breakers go full tilt.
>>82140176we do still need art of the old TsarWe haven't established much about him other than he's a paranoid ruler that deeply cares for his people, and he was roughly 45-55 when the Bargain was struck with the information we came up with earlier as follows >Was the old Tsar popular, or has his legacy been muddled by the Captain's Rebellion?>He represents a calmer era, before the sudden changes and turmoil brought on by the Bargain and the subsequent discoveries of Oil and Dust.>He will be remembered more fondly than he deserves.>I like to think he was very paranoid, but cared deeply about his nation.
>>82140192>>82140291Not really, the Kossiki left because the Durites stopped being nomads and were abandoing tradition.So maybe ut's large scale agriculture that is recent, but they been semi-sedentary for a while now?
>>82140304There was also proposed his name was Ivan because of the new capital being Ivangrad.
>>82140291it would explain why the Tsar had the Tsarina relatively late in his reign actually, it would put her birth about 20 years before the old Tsar would expect to step down or die, though they could just ascend the youngest child of the old Tsar, so the bloodline doesn't get cut off if a Tsar dies before he can have a child later in life
>>82140299So it started witg tge Tsarina's grandfather?Maybe Ivan was him, not her father.
>>82140311>Not really, the Kossiki left because the Durites stopped being nomads and were abandoing tradition.Really? I thought it was due to religious differences. At least, that's what's been estabilished in the docs
>>82140304This probably ties with the Grandfather of the Tsarina as it's usually three rows for serious relevancy. So the Grandfather...>The Tsar of Steel>Initiated the first centralizing reforms, expanded Lapsaria vigorously>Welcomed the Shapers back into the mainstream and secured the supply of Steel>Aggressive tax policies, hard wars and general harsh demeanor made him largely reviled>However his hold on the country was Ironclad and none could oppose himAnd his Son...>The Tsar of the Evening>Inherited the Crown after his father's death by tumors>Immediately made several moves to placate the masses and the nobles earning much adornment>However as he grew older, his focus dimmed, and he grew increasingly wary and focused on pet projects>Having slashed his revenue earlier, racked up serious debts, turned to increasingly unsavory means for funding>Trusted the deaconThoughts?
>>82140291>>82140311yeah I think the major reason the Durites started rebelling was the religious suppression, and later attempted eradication by the Lapsarians.With an additional amount that revolted over being forcefully settled being a comparatively small number in the greater unrest.
>>82140336I think that's the riligious differences, the Kossoki followed the old ways, and tje durites convertes to stone and started becoming more sedentary.The kossoki themselves converting to Lapsarian religion probably was tge last straw.
>>82140351>So the Grandfather...>>The Tsar of SteelWould he be the one to start the colozination of the Durites? Maybe late in his life, so the timeline somewhat fits
>>82140353Well like actual settling, the people already settled benefit from an increased manpower pool and the direhards tend to piss off deeper inland.Religious changes though? That's where we get into the ethnic cleansing.>>82140370I imagine he began the major moves, but there was an existing precedent of nipping up weak chiefdoms opportunistically.
>>82140351And tgere was her great-grandfather, Pietr (probably need a name change) the Great, who turned Lapsaria from a kingdom into an empire.Probably the reason Ivan was so strong, he could afford being unpopular because of the shadow of his father, but felt he needed to make his own mark. Even named the new caputal after himself.
>>82140363Ye I came up with a lot of the Kossoki lore, that's about it. Both groups were one and worshiped the now dead religion of a sky god. The Durites discover the monolith and slowly converted, with the Kossoki holding to the old ways for some time, before being exiled after converting to the Lapsarian faith and the 'heated religious debates' that followed
>>82140363>tje durites convertes to stone and started becoming more sedentary.Here's the Deal, converting to stone would make the Less sedentary, as the pilgrimages to the monolith are a big part of the Stone worship. So taht wouldn';t work very well as an explanation.And besides that, in general the Durites were constructed as a generally nomadic people (Heavily inspirred by the Mongolians and otehr nomadic people). Hell, it's even in the docs (And on eof the oldest pieces of information on it, in fact) that the Durites "Used to be nomadic, FORCED into a mostly agrarian lifestyle by now".I know the docs isn't absolute, but Durites being traditionally nomadic has been a thing since the start and has been one of the main ideas
>>82140311the durites only stopped being nomads after Lapsarian colonization. it was a forced change, not a voluntary one, and much, much later than the split
>>82140393I think the contention with Pietr was the title not his actual name
>>82140414>>82140426Than you need to talk with kossoki anon.
>>82140393If we follow this train of thought, I'd think it would be better if the unifier founded the city, because while the Russian move to Petersburg was drastic it had the advantage of growing with time. This is making the new capital live for only a single generation, and we should get a minimum of two before we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Potentially it is the Grandfather's Grandfather who unified the principalities and crushed the Venitii, however the between Tsar stagnated and the Steel Tsar reordered the country, expanding it and crushing the last influences of the Principalities.
>>82140435okay.>>82140432yo Kossoki anon, the Durites were nomads until very recently. Otherwise, no problem with your schism.
>>82130802I think it’s more mysterious and fatalistic than grimdark. All are asking what can I do.
>>82140404I don't think there's any issue with the religious debate side of thing, it's a good motivation and gives insight into the Durite's stone worship. But this isn't a good justification for Durites being sedentary/agrarian. Do you thinkl tjis divide between nomadic/sedentary is integral to this conflict? Or is the religious apsect enough?
>>82140436I prefer that the son of the unifier did it to get away from just having a Peter clone.Also because the city was abandoned after the betrayal and the capital moved back to the old capital, if it was more than one generation old, it might have been too much of a blow for Lapsaria to just keep getting stronger, even with all the gifts.
>>82140472I figure the religious aspect of the conflict is enough as it was more or less the defining distinction from the beginning
>>82140473Although the unifier could had plans to build the new city, but it was his son who managed to be the one to follow them.
>>82140473The fires of industry will already sweep away the old Lapsaria. There needs to be a greater history or this resembles less a venerable Tsardom and more a Deutschland with more drugs.We can afford to have some time. Give the new capital two generations at least.
>>82140492So I guess the matter is settled then?
>>82140504I guess so
>>82140495>Gen 7 Tsar, Unifier>Gen 6 Tsar, Builder and the Establisher of the New Capital>Gen 5-4 Tsars, stagnate the country>Gen 3 Tsar, The Tsar of Steel>Gen 2 Tsar, the Father>Gen 1 Tsarina
>>82140504>>82140507it does raise a few questions about the nature of Durite architecture do you think they'd build large shanty style villages, or actual cities like the mongols did irl?
>>82140495>We can afford to have some time.This. I think it's important to push theTimajor and Veniti conquests back in time a bit, since despite being distinct ethnicg groups, ttheya re integral part of the empire, and seem to have been this way for quiste some timeAlse the Venit should be conquered somewhat earlier than the Timajor, since the current lore ha the empire using venitii cannons against the Timajors (Minor tidbit, but helps build flavor)
>>82140516>>Gen 5-4 Tsars, stagnate the countryI think instead of Stagnate we can portray it as consolidating the country, integrating the conquered ethnicities, etc
>>82140516Fuse 5-4 and it can work.>>82140518Yurt cities. Because they look cool.
>>82140518I feel like they'd just have natural extensions of their older style that lost their mobility. Think yurts with stone pillars rather than wood. Paving and things like that.If they remained shepherds, then that transforms basic sheep herding into a vital corner of architecture.
>>82140522I there's also the matter of geography, the Kossoki encountered the Timajor and had a larger impact on their culture than anyone else, so I figure they'd be around a lot. making the Timajor likely the first river you meet after the Namijski
>>82140559Nemijski>Timajor>Venit>CapriAt least that is how I always saw the order.
>>82140518Hmm, I was thinking mostly shanty villages, as actual cities would imply some degree of large scale organizations which theya re unlikely to have given the disjointed nature of their rebellion.>>82140555> Yurt citiesI think these can be fairly mobiile, as theya re basically tents, so could be an option.>>82140559Good catch. I think this is good.
>>82140571Timajor is the neighbour of capri.So it's Nemijski>Venit>Timajor>Capri
>>82140559>the Kossoki encountered the Timajor and had a larger impact on their culture than anyone else,Are the Timajor a subsection of the Kossoki, or a distinct Ethnical Group? Right now in the docs they are grouped under the Kossoki, but I'm not sure that should be the case
>>82140544>>82140555History isn't always a straight line of progression. The Middling Tsars present a moment of transition that makes Lapsaria feel more like a country than a train-shuttle of important characters. >>82140583The Venit and the Timajor rivers are close enough that they are connected by the waterways of the old Capital. They're near enough beside each other.
>>82140583>Timajor is the neighbour of capri.Any specific reason why?
>>82140576More like a proper city, and more like a large group of yurt together. A durite group would arrive, add their tents, and eventually leave.>>82140589Old timajor was a different ethinicity, but they mixed a lot with some kossoki.The kossoki changed, and so did the Timajors.
>>82140593> The Middling Tsars present a moment of transitioni know, it's just a matter of, instead of portraying them as absolutely expendable, we say they at least had some impact on stabilizing/improving the country. Nothing glorious, or moniker worthy, but still something to make sure they aren't just time filler.Tough I'd say 2 in a row of such Tsars does seem a bit much. Maybe have one of the before the builder and one afterwards? We can have the reign of the one before be somewhat short to compensate and still have the Builder be early
>>82140571yeah that's what I've been feeling too>>82140583unless it's Nemijski>Timajor>Capri>Venit >>82140589basically the Original culture of the river people have been more or less totally assimilated into Lapsarian culture, and the remaining Timajor follow the Kossoki way of life after their cities were conquered. The Kossoki are a mixed people, between Durite and other Lapsarian ethnic groups, so to them the Ideals are more important than blood. Both the Timajor and the Kossoki consider the Timajor Kossoki to be true Kossoki, even if they have different origins.
>>82140598Because it's the main river besides capri (and tge one that is used tge moat now that the bay got ghosted), and the old capital apparently was built where they meet/in between both, so they nees to be close by.
>>82140635I'm personally fine with one ruling for a year before falling down the seawall.Accidents happen.
>>82140625Less like>>82140641That works too. Venit being colder could also explain why they were those masks and full body clothes.
>>82140625>More like a proper city, and more like a large group of yurt together. A durite group would arrive, add their tents, and eventually leave.That could work. Maybe near important river-crossings or grazing fields, Durites would gather to exchange stories, wares and congregate, and eventually go on wit their roamingsThe Lapsarians probably destroyed these cities when they arrived as they presented a way for Durites to unify and a threat to their authority
>>82140641>>82140589at least that's what the guy that was working on them with me thought, he made more of the Timajor than I did desu I just gave them a timeline to explain why they were they way they are
>>82140672yea, more or less what I had in mind, and not fussed about the things that are maybe a bit different to what I thought. So yea, that's about the long and short of it
>>82140651The brother of the tsar of steel.Nobles realized he was going to be just like his father and scheduled a visit for him.
>>82140651I think just falling off the seawall would be silly (Not that tthese things don't happen IRL, but still). "Falling" off the seawall, on the other hand, could be interesting.Maybe this Tsar opposed the idea of a new capital, so his younger brother backed by other nobles decided to expedite his retirement.
>>82140707>>821407094chan really is a hivemind.
>Gen 7 Tsar, The Great Unifier>Gen 6 Tsar, The Builder and Consolidator>Gen 5 Tsar, The Mystic (Descentralized the Empire, Reconfigured things, paid off the prior Tsar's debts)>Gen 3.5 Tsar, The Tumbler (the name says everything, lasted two weeks)>Gen 3 Tsar, the Tsar of Steel>Gen 2 Tsar, the Tsar of the Evening>Gen 1 TsarinaThoughts?
>>82140672>>82140697I see, that's prettty interesting. Maybe we should make that somewhat clearer in the Tiamjor entry in the Docs? Add a line saying something like "Altough not ethnically part of the Kossokis, the Timajor share a strong cultural bond with this group, and both cutures consider each others as brothers"
>>82140745I mean the first line in their description is that they're ethnically distinct from anyone in the region
>>82140709I think the silly option is the better one. Having a bit of levity in there is enjoyable
>>82140762Make it ambiguous, maybe he really did fall, maybe there was a conspiracy.The reader can choose which one they prefer.
>>82140760I know, its just taht tehir placement as a subgroup of the Kossoki seems weird without the explanation, so that line could be complemented with something
>>82140745I mean, they are pretty strongly part of the Kossoki. They're genetically mixed and culturally a derivative. It's like saying that Northern Austrians ethnically distinct from southern Austrians because they've got a lot of slavic ancestry
>>82140779>>82140760fair, it's basically just the other anon's post, with a bit I added at the end and then my post in the Timajor section, so it hasn't really seen any editing done
>>82140762I like >>82140774's idea. Make him seem like a klutz in general, someone mostly unfit to be left alone without hurting himself, let alone rule. But also make it cleear people had reasons to want him off the throne.
>>82140762>I'm going up there sirs and none of you are stopping me!>Sire it's dangerous there is no railing!>Railing schmailing! I'm the Tsar! What's the worse thing that could happen.
>>82140780>>82140745The Timajor Kossoki don't actually share much in the way of genetic mixing with the Kossoki. The Timajor are canonically blond hair blue eyes, and the Kossoki are more of a mix of everything The mixing between the two groups was basically just cultural
>>82140820>ja ja do you want to ride horses with me on the open plains>im just kidding... unless?
>>82140842Boat are just horses of the sea.
>>82140820>>82140780which for the record is entirely to explain how a group that was apparently a mix of grey skinned black haired people, mixed with a fair skinned black haired people to make blonde haired blue eye'd wojak
>>82140820does the suitor have Timajor genetics?
>>82140868He has chad genetics, to try and put him into one group is a foolish endeavour.The professor can tell you that much.
>>82140868I feel the better question is, 'who is the Suitor NOT genetically related to.'
>>82140868you're gonna have to min max phrenology to figure that one out
>>82140899All ethnic conflicts are based around who gets to claim ownership over the Suitor's race
>>82140959>Duritas was only invaded because they claimed the suitor was a Durite
>>82140968>The Coral Peddler remembers when he and the Suitor were boys in the Bone Hood
>>82140985kek>the Jasentorf princess is incensed that her brother would court that whore
>>82137099>Josentorf Ambitious Princess>Eldest of 12 Daughters>Used father's wealth to form mercenary company>leads from the front>Hates the Tsarina, secretly models herself after her>"I will be Empress one day."In case op missed it last thread here's the suggestion
>>82141117We already have 3 jasentorfs, let her be in the jasentorf compass.
>>82141133just wanna make sure the suggestion doesn't go unnoticed cause I like it
>>82141133Indeed, her ambitions are at home.And we technically have four Jasentorfs. Which means we should probably add one or two Masovii. Any thoughts or should I just search around
>>82141058>The aemid herder remember when his cousin his coming of age funny hat.
>>82141153When he gave, I ruined the meme.>>82141148Well, there's the digitary and the Lord-Electant.There's also the salt shaman, mummy and transplant too.
>>82141176Aye, I'll work on some of the slummers then when I get home from work.
>>82141148Although adding a Masovii hussar could be cool.Make them a mixture of the hungarian black army and a polish winged hussar.
>>82141185>some of the slummersLapsarian Slummers or masovii Slummers?>>82141192This indeed
>>82141192>>82141185Masovii Hussar and a Masovii nomadic craftsman
>>82141200I think a free Huzarsza, and some of the more local vagrants, maybe a disciple of Father Oyster.Although I do like one of those nomad craftsmen selling frontier soldiers basics the supply chain can't get them.
>>82141215I think both ideas are pretty good. Will the Huzarsza (That what we're calling the Masovvi Hussars? I like it) be involved in the Durite Conflict? Maybe they deserted the army to invtervene in favor of the Durites in the conflict against lapsaria
>>82141192The masovii hussar's armour are made white, to represemt the purity of salt and the monolith.However, the smoke of their black salt guns and cannons can slowly paint the armour black.When the veteram black hussars arrive, the enemies flee in terror.
>>82140257Kek, I'll give this one a try if you don't mind
>>82137505Check Handmaidens in the bottom right
>>82141292Go right ahead my man.
>>82137505Still not on the compass, but there's space and I think they should be included.I'm too shit at art to do it right, though if no one is up to it I could try giving it a shot
>>82141333I can do it if you want to. anything you need included for sure? I think Kos inspired portrait would be neat
>>82141350I think that's A Royal Handmaiden in the process of becoming a handmaiden to the Angler (or another fishy creature)
>>82141333Maybe call it the cousins since the handmaiden name is taken.That way they can be the daughters of the aunt.
>>82141349Nothing specific. Just the idea of them being fish-siren-ladies>>82141371Could be.
>>82141387gonna do it Kosm style then. that's probably the best design in any From game
>>82141371>Significantly more relaxed than Auntie>Occasionally helpful>Still enjoy a bit of the Long-Pork roast from time to time
>>82141400I feel the beings of the deep don't actually eat people. They just bring them to the embrace of the King, and he shows them their place in the family
All the female doomers found where very low res or small, so i ended up having to trace over it in an attempt to make it easier to edit.Here it is, hope it helps easing our Coomer needs of adding more girls.
>>82141449And also here's a wojak with an already transparent background
>>82141449Speaking of, has anyone added the sisters in black iron to the doc yet?
>>82141444It's opportunistic I'd figure. Like. Hey. Free lunch man.If I don't eat it someone else will. Although liking it is just a Venitii thing. Waste-not want-not.>>82141449You preach to the choir. I made the mistake of picking up an archive of templates.Fucking 60% of it was various soifolk in increasingly shitty resolutions. Some of the worst artifacting in everything else I've ever seen.
>>82141449I just traced the one's I needed, it's easier that way
>>82141497I've had to trace a couple of jaks myself to get them to a good enough quality, so I feel you
>>82141506Yeah, but I draw with a mouse on photoshop 2015.I don't have the luxury of being able to trace without lines being all wobbly and shit.The Yechod glass pipe still haunts me.
>>82141552Although I do know people that draw using MSpaint with a touchpad.It could be worse.
>>82141552I did the Smith on MS Paint with a touchpad. He had no right to turn out as good as he did, and I like the Elder even better.
>>82139000>>82140176Will add these when I can, I'm at the office.
>>82141552I mean yeah I'm just working in gimp, the trick is short lines so an undo doesn't eat all your workalso try laying off the salt you junkie
>>82141603No, salt is life. Without salt there is no taste. Withou taste there is no meaning.I didn't mean to come of as belittling to anyone.
>>82141588Moving The Capri Ferryman to [2,4] and placing The Old Tsar in his place. The Venitii Artilleryman is going to [4,7]
>>82141628I am also considering adding The Lapsari Urbanite to [6,7]
>>82141628for the old Tsar I do like the name Royal Axolotl keeps it a little more ambiguous
>>82141603Y'all got anymore of them... Shakers?
>>82141646That's what I was thinking too.
Did a niece/cousin/handmaiden
>>82141742I still would.
>>82141748I'll repeat a statement from earlier.>The things I would do here would make the Savant seem stone-dry.
So on a completely different noteHorse breeds, who's got what?for the Kossoki they have their wooly horses, I was thinking, judging by the size of the horses in the two on the compass that have them, the Kossoki horses are light and fast, but not particularly strong or enduring. They'll outrun just about anyone but they're a bad pick for long distances, tending to need frequent resting on long journeys.Unable to carry that much load, limiting the armour that the Kossoki use to basically none, and tending to avoid heavier weapons, carrying only a light lance, a sabre, and a pistol or a few pistols and a sabre, and maybe a rifle.The Durite Horse looks to me like it's larger and more hearty. Probably still decently fast, but being able to go further without a rest for the long pilgrimages. able to carry a more, but a fully loaded Durite horse would likely need to rest just as often as a lightly loaded Wooly horse.Jasentorf likely has a preference for larger strong but slow draft horses to carry the weight of their armour, as well as any armour they wish to put on the horse. Absolutely devastating in a massed charges due to their heavy weight.I don't really have that many ideas for Lapsaria, probably something kinda middle of the road. and Masovii probably a decent mix of strength and speed
>>82141891oh my god bless you
>>82141891>I don't really have that many ideas for Lapsaria, probably something kinda middle of the road.Stout workhorses, they've transitioned to horses being used more for baggage trains then cavalry.
>>82141902definitely fitting in with the idea that they're pretty behind in terms of cavalry that was floated a few threads ago I like it
>>82141742>>82141628Gonna do the redraw and add these and then probably put the image as the OP of next thread. I'll be working on the map and starting from scratch. Rather than the extremely vertical Pangea (which makes the map look strange by stretching it out on the poles, I'll do a Horizontal one with Lapsaria being on the NW extremity.
>>82141891Lapsarians collect horse breeds like a horse collects flees.The existing equestrian traditions are all over the place, and some of the really old guard are so autistic they remain in river cogs. Only river cogs. Others picked up light traditions, others are Jasenboos. A couple have Kossoki relatives and style themselves as Kossoki but Lapsarian Nobility. There are a few in the hinterlands who just use Durite weapons and arms.Then the commoners take whatever horses they can get, though they also like mules. Meanwhile kelp farmers utalalize a type of sea-cow bred for strength to tend to their fields. They also utilize the dredge from the cow pens for fertilizer, both above and below the water.Accordingly, all of her neighbors laugh at Lapsaria for their weird cavalry traditions, though the new model army has actually played to their strengths.
>>82141931Maybe do a couple radically different maps and show them off all at once? I still think that the Ukraine-style placement of southern shore should be considered.
>>82141931Based.Mecator and it's family are confusing, so we have to work with what we have.I'm still working on the Emissary, I got sidetracked tracing the girl and shitposting.
Expanded timeline according to anons.Speaking of time what calendars exist in setting, what is their cultural background.
>>82141976tsarina being born comes after on the timeline but has an older date than the event preceding it
>>82141976Well, there are different great events that could be meaningful for different calendarsMonolith discoveredGilded Empire FoundedCurrent dynasty of Kyugoryo took power (Probably call them the Jem)First patriarch reforms the faithetc
>>82141976it's still dumb that first the Lady Gray is constructed and then rapid industrialization happens. Like, what's the rapid industrialization lmao? they already had airships, they had ships envyable 40 years later, what the heck
>>82141976also who were the northern border guards skirmishing with I missed this
>>82142032>>82141976So we've gone with the Tsarina was a natural birth rather than her conception being part of The Bargain?
>>82142048Aemiid Perkele warriors of course
>>82142058ye, there's not really a lot of meat on that idea desu
>>82142044well the air pirates apparently deserted following Capri bay, but I agree it seems a little rushedWe could have the air fleet desertion in response to another stressor and move it down the timeline a ways
>>82142032>>82141976I'd make it so that 'primitive' is replaced with 'standardized.' The Venitii already had cannons even if they were rare, and they likely proliferated them among their neighbors who ran with them, as they actually had the resources to make them on a large scale. Likely the Lapsarians just threw some muskets at the Yechods and said 'get cracking.'
>>82142058Yes, most people seem to dislike that idea.
>>82142084>>82142085>>82142079Ah, that's too bad. Understandable though.
>>82142080I'll just reapeat myself, I wouldn't have capri bay so early after the bargain
>>82142058I prefer the Tsarina being unaffiliated from the Bargain honestly. Diminishes her strong presence by making her a magic baby.>>82142080Give it two decades, so a promising prototype emerges and Lapsaria begins cranking them out. Clueless.
>>82142081The venitii used scorpions and ballistas before falling in love with cannons.Primitive is good for me.
>>82142090not the worst idea though, instead of a setting background event, we could have it as a potential campaign idea that the powers that be are tryna conceive a new fishy heir from the Tsarina
>>82142097I would agree. I'd place it closer to 7-10 years out, so the Tsarina could remember it more fully than a 5-6 year old could. I think it should happen a few years into the Regency and be sparked by The Last Captain finding out about the Bargain rather than sparked by the Old Tsar's death.
>>82142041>great eventsI want to notice, that for example Romans had simple attitude towards calendar, they could just restart it when it become too disynchronized with weather, while in East Asia first year of rule of new Emperor is usually the first year of calendar, you can even use fictional starting points like "from the creation of Earth".So year 0 not necessary must be great event. >>82142048That's the trick part.>>82142081>'primitive' is replaced with 'standardized.'It's giant gap, desu.
>>82142116We had cannons and primitive shot weapons in the 1200s. With Black salt around that shit has a history.
>>82142041well at this point in time basically everyone was keeping their own calendar irlLapsaria might just use the Japanese style calendar that resets with ever regent
>>82142128>primitive shot weapons in the 1200sIt could be just hand rockets, easily.
>>82142097Capri bay was apparently what sealed the Bargain though, so it can't be too late afterwardsI think moving the Air desertion down is probably the better idea as airships are established to be mostly run off of oil, so their development definitely came after the bargain by a while.
>>82142128Good luck developing it further when you have to go to the salt lands to get it though.China had black powder for a long time and it stuck with rockets for the most part, imagine it that shit was only found there as well?
>>82142191why can't the bargain be sealed years later? I feel like that doesn't take a lot of creativity to solve.
I personally think that rather The Deacon being the sole regency it should have him be a primary figure among a few members of the nobility who took on the role of ruling in council while the Tsarina grew up. It gives more opportunities for intrigue.
>>82142154Potentially. But muskets emerged en-mass in the 1500s along with more advanced artillery pieces. Have them emerge earlier but actual standardization comes with the Tsardom. It feels like we're rushing again.
>>82142210maybe the Deacon had the regency because the old Tsar gave him the custody of the Tsarina, but he had to rule through a council of nobles because he was a priest?
>>82142210Well who was regent?
>>82142191>airships are established to be mostly run off of oilDid oil become accessible only after the bargain or it was just much more difficult to get.>>82142221>standardization It became a thing only in the second part of XIXth century, which is closer to current time in setting rather to past.
>>82142221Eh, the whole point is that Lapsaria is cheating with the bargain and speedrunning industrialization.I think he meant muskets as primitive, not the of handcannon, you know the cannon on a stick.
>>82142247It was already accessible by hunting whales and using dredge pits.With the bargain, there are now a fuckload of whales on Lapsaria borders, and a huge one even fell on the beach
>>82142221well the technology of Lapsaria post Bargain and in the current year is roughly 1840-1860the rest of the world is in the 1780-1810's so about 200 years before the bargain is gonna be where guns really pick up.>>82142247It was possible to get, just not in quantities that allowed it to be a primary industrial resource.As far as I can tell, pre Whale fall, oil was mostly used for it's more esoteric qualities by those that could afford it.
>>82142269So I guess establishing air fleet few years before bargain is okay.
>>82142269so dredge pits are basically excavations of ancient sea monster fossils, right? That's fucking metal.
>>82142239Actually I like this.>>82142240Perhaps he has custody of the Tsarina, but the regency was given to The Lapsarian Count or another noble figure who knew The Old Tsar. This would be done to appease the nobility so a member of the clergy did not sit the throne. Then the Deacon exercised a great deal of power as the Tsarina's guardian.
>>82142247In the uniform military sense, but graded arquebi patterns were a military staple for a reason during the 1600s. Perhaps if we define when more primitive guns first emerged in the principalities. Cannons and like?
>>82142332I feel during the interregnum the Deacon would mostly be working from the shadows and preparing the Tsarina for her reign by instilling a trust in him.
Gonna sleep after hour, probably.Anyone has ideas how fill gap between 10 and 35 years AB? >>82142360Okay, may be I will add 60-80 years period when muskets appeared in the next iteration of timeline
>>82142385And trying to cover up everything he did up to that point as well.Maybe it was when he planted the seed for the order and the police.
>>82142385>>82142403Yes, which makes sense if he worked from the shadows and wasn't the regent calling the shots.
>>82142399>Anyone has ideas how fill gap between 10 and 35 years AB?The Siege of High Harbor, where they tried to take back the airships, would last for years straight with lots of midnight balloon supply runs by insane pirates. High Harbor would be terrible to siege because lots of parts of it are difficult to get to outside of airships.'ate groundies'ate the tsarina'ate the bargainluv me skyluv me rebellion simple as
>>82142399I mean the 200-250 years before the Bargain sounds about right for early muskets, for the earliest firearms, probably closer to 400 years for a tube on a stick that you stick a flame in by hand.
>>82142417Maybe he had a spot on the duma juat because he was the guardian.But he faked being uninterested in worldly matters.Maybe he conviced another member of the council to come up with the secret police, but in a way that madenit seem it was their idea?
>>82142454That sounds like a great idea.
>>82142444probably important to note that Bargain wouldn't be something the vast majority of people were aware ofalso would sky pirates hate the boon, as it would be what allowed for greater airship development
>>82142479Most don't know, but the Skypirates deserted right after the Capri Bay Rebellion, so some members might know about the Bargain just as The Last Captain did.It would make getting rid of the Sky Pirates a top priority because information is leaking.
>>82142445The problem is that an arquebus is a musket, and there was a good two centuries were the heavy style arquebus was the dominant fire-arm.Idea. the Arquebus emerged a long-ass time back in the Salt-Pans, and was the Siglafi 'noble weapon' instead of a knight class. However 'muskets' as in later non-arquebi spread out all over when someone figured out how to make powder without salt.It better fits the 300-200 year time frame, and theres a precedent for gun innovation.
>>82142490how about thisto keep the development of airships a result of gifts received and have the sky pirates desert as a result of Capri bay.many of the crews of early airships were members of the navy before they were reassigned, a number of them were at Capri bay and made it away with their lives. When they got put on arguably the most liberating machines of war since devised, they realized how the Tsardom would be entirely unable to stop them this time and they mutinied took off with the fleet.
>>82142539Now that makes sense.
>>82142569I feel as if it should be more a desertion caused by the events at Capri bay rather than them just deciding to do so after getting them. I do think it being partially because they realized that the Tsardom would have a very hard time sieging High Harbor would make sense, but the death of the captain and people making it out of Capri and despising the Tsardom after is a common theme.
>>82142444>The Siege of High HarborDid Lapsarians fail?
>>82142640Could be they believed in what the captain was preaching but feared openly supporting him because they didn’t like his odds. But when the odds became more even they saw that the time was now
>The Ugly Princess>hates her bandages>her gills closed up last year, cries when she remembers mother>what freedom she has is found exploring the tide pools of her family estate>"Uncle Deacon, can I really do anything when I am Tsarina?"I don't expect this to be added, just flavor.
>>82142683>>82142640actually I like that, basically the captain became their martyr, the desertion of the sky marines the continuation of his rebellion and the sky pirates and Capri bay ghosts his legacy
>>82142711As cute as that is, the Tsarina is a normal girl.
>>82142775>>82142711her Daughter may not be however
The Tsarina is a bisexual icon
>>82142683>>82142745Yeah I like that, makes sense.
>>82142792That's why the prince must win the Tsarina bowl.She may be ugly, but whe won't be a f*sh.
We are at 106/121 with 1 reserved.
>>82142874I finished the male envoy, but I'm working on the female version.Honestly, it's looking to be the better one.
>>82142883The hero we need and deserve.
>>82142974Ambitious Princess designer here, I considered her To be Max Centralization. She wants to be THE Empress or Kaiserin or whatever.I may be reading the alignments wrong, though.
>>82143020I posted the wrong image anyway, so also fixed that
>>82143020The term 'Gilded Caesara' would be the term I think.
>>82142874Lapsarian poet>Tired of drug orgies and mediocrity who consider themselves innovators>Broke as fuck so can't afford orgies and coral dust anyway>Creepy gorgeyo woman ordered a poem about worms from him>Swears he saw something moving under her clothesIm going to make touring Gorgeyo Dancer next
>>82143274Am I going to get cucked from making the Gorgeyo woman because I'm slow?Let's find out.
>>82142302Well, it was discussed that it was mostly digging up silt for fertiilizers, but adding in the Acnient Fossils angel is really metal
>>82142116So really we could totally have year 1 be the tsarina’s ascension to the throne. The calendar is just always reset whenever a new ruler rises and that’s the tradition. Even medieval monarchies that used another calendar lots of peasants would use the passing of kings or their local lords as major points in history since they’d only see the passing of a monarch only once or twice in their lives anyway.
the fuck is this reddit shit?