This is a crowd sourced endeavor to create a setting and rpg.What was produced is pic related, the setting of LEVIATHAN (the name is a work in progress), the World of Sacred Oil and Broken Stone. The purpose of this thread is to organize to continue filling out the Lore Document, congregate for map making, and for developing an RPG system for this setting.The story of the world is emergent, being developed as we discuss and explore the Compass. The Docs provides most in-depth explanations of most items, but the main conflicts of the setting are as follows:> The Lapsarians have a secret Bargain with the Ocean Gods for Oil: A fuel source, the heart of the recent industrialization, and food-item which provides boons to those who consume it, though at a cost> The Durite people who are colonized by the Lapsarians are revolting, drawing from both traditional and newfound powers to fight back against their oppressors> The remnants of old Lapsarian Rebellions, such as the Last Captain and his crew, still haunt the waters where they were defeated, a sacrifice as part of the Bargain> New powers, like the Industrialists and the Tycoons, fight for dominance in the cities, opposing both each other and other groups (such as the mysterious Hooks) in an ever escalating conflict> All the while and above all human struggles, the Monolith and the Sea Gods exert their influence, their goals (if any) unknowableLore Dump Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjU2GkiDq5tJ8Ih9A9LxyHhC3cvmQANYG579UDgxuOM/edit?usp=sharingRPG System: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f5_EIAdm3fwycQjU4nyoCoAqdRtDj0-rDgtw170SpsALast thread: >>82175910Ongoing Discussions:>Life in major Lapsarian Cities>Military organization>Music in LapsariaThread Theme: https://youtu.be/pxP3NrEcUSo
Reporting from last thread:For skill related stuff I feel I should explain some things since people have been memeing about Phrenology. Mainly I will describe what they are used for.>Spiritualism (Mystic)The contacting of and manipulation of spirits, elementals, and other otherworldly entities. Used to discern information about them, know about them, and in rituals concerning them.>Phrenology (Mystic)The magical counterpart to medicine, concerns magic's effect on the body and the natural magical inclinations of the body. Used in rituals that effect the body magically.>Symbology (Mystic)Concerning the imparting of power onto objects and the identification of magical objects. Used in rituals to impart magical power onto objects.>Numerology (Mystic)Concerning the magical significance of patterns in the world and the discerning of information magically. Used in rituals to divine information magically.>Occultism (Branched, Mystic)As a branched skill when one dives into Occultism they must choose a subject of specialty, occultism is used for knowledge on all magical subjects that don't fall into the other categories. This one is not often used in rituals, but is needed for specific and esoteric ones (requiring specific subject matter)>Alchemy (Mystic)Concerning the magical properties of animal parts, plants, and metals. Used in rituals to create magical substances.>Ceremony (Mystic)The lynch pin for rituals. Ceremony is used in all rituals to some degree and is made use of to conduct them.Many of these can be combined in rituals. An easy example is Automatic Writing, a ritual of Automatic Writing would use:>Spiritualism, Numerology, CeremonyA more simple ritual, such as to create a magical portion would just be:>Alchemy, Ceremony
Fixed the map, the OP one lacked texturing.
>>82189317Tbh, i don’t really like the idea of having a “master stat” like ceremony which would tie into all things. I feel like it’s also sorta overlaps with Occultism. I feel like a better split (as an example) would be to have Ceremony be restricted larger organized religion, while Occultism covers the same thing, but for smaller, more specific cults. Both of them branched.
>>82189700That's true, it feels like a point tax instead of an option.
>>82189545I thought the South Shore was named The Lechte?
>>82189203Is there any chance you could rename Holthomo up in Verkhovoy Timajor to Volkov? I suggested a town named that up there before we had a city map. If not it's cool.
>>82190157It could be one of the couple towns up there if you want, I don't think we've gotten around to naming any of them.An option
>>82189700>>82189831I agree, that makes more sense.
>>82190211I'd be down with either option. I just figured I would ask.
>>82189545So with Oraroho being the major port town that connects the lapsarin waterways to the rest of the world it’s also the first stop for foreign goods that don’t pass on to Monx. So while Monx is a melting pot of both foreign and lapsarian cultures. Oraroho should be a melting pot of even more foreign cultures and the major lapsarian culture trying to maintain majority and control of the place. It should also be known at the gate of Geboreon since it’s the first stop to the waters of Geboreon and Monx should have similar Monkier like the gate of Anwald or the Sentry of Anwald since it’s the first seaport into Anwald bay. Speaking of all this, what kind of foreign goods does lapsaria import? I guess we need develop the other nations first before we get there.
>>82191411> what kind of foreign goods does lapsaria import?At least Salt is a regular import from Masovii (mainly regular salt, as Masovian salt is used foir high class cooking, but Black and red/Pink salt is also imported under the hood), though considering masovia is landlocked it will mostly come through the land route in Piske, or though boats that already sail from below Oraroho.Probably they also import some Manatee meat from Freeskalon and tropcial fruits and spices from the Sunset isles. Not sure what they'd import from Jasentorf though, from teh descriptions we have nothing really stands out.
>>82189203So I'm putting together Unit Lists, just wondering if anyone wants to make suggestions.>Current pure Lapsarian Armies include; The New Lapsarian Army, the General Lapsarian Armies, The Laspari River-Guard, The Northern Okrug, the Eastern Okrug and the Militias>Non-State Ethnic Armies include; Kossoki Hosts, Timajor Freemen, Venitii Xavirs & Rivermen, Suuri Warbands, Yechod Varosanis, Durit Insurgents, Durit Rebels, Hasyyian Oilers, Jasen Mercenaries>Renegade Groups include; River-Raiders, Okrug Deserters, Industrial "Guards", The Free Marines, Sky-Pirates, City Insurgents>More Esoteric Groups include; Imperial Special Forces, Ichthys Ordermen, Hook Blades, The Slab Knights & Breakers, Shaper Shadows>Abomination Groups include; Terrors of the Bay, Horrors of the Vast, Beasts of the Deep, Nightmares of the North, Works of Pain Ascendant
>>82191411>the gate of GeboreonI like this
>>82191499It should be Aemii warbands rather than Suuri. Suuri are the hostile northern tribesmen, the Aemii are the ones inside of Lapsaria and allied to the Lapsarians.
>>82191572See, this is like the Freeskals. I can justify the Suuri as they're technically over the border when they smash and grab. But the Aemii are usually not much for getting involved.Although I'll add it to the list.
>>82185406Haven't the Dutch basically been fighting off the sea irl ever since they came into existence? Kind of surprised the Netherlands hasn't been brought up, given how large chunks of it can literally be summed up as the Dutch deciding to evict the sea so they could live on the seabed.
>>82191411Salt from the Masovii, Coral, Rum, and exotic animals from the Sunset Islands, There should be trade going between Lapsaria and Jesentrof, but aside from mercenaries from Yothestein and maybe something like wine from Aleria there isn't anything huge that pops to mind. Maybe do something like Jesentrof has a strong textile industry and clothes from Jesentrof are popular among the rich.
>>82191628Silver, wine and wax from Jesentorf.
Something to think about, a map where the>10% of the population resides in each colorType depiction of the map?
>>82191490Yeah we’re going to have to flesh out jasentorf and kaguygoro more before we figure out what is imported from their, plus the other continental powers we haven’t made up yet. But that’ll probably be far down the road since we’re still filling out the details of the focal point region of the setting. But while we’re on the topic of trade, let’s dive further into economics: Do lapsarians use paper money since we’ve established that they have readily available printing presses, news paper and printing businesses? Or do they use coinage? If they do use paper is it gold or silver backed or pure fiat? Or perhaps some half step like they use coinage but bank notes exist, especially for amounts that would be to cumbersome to carry as coin?
>>82190157>>82190017Done, I keep messing with color balances and shading for readability, can folks take a look?
>>82191682I lik ethis version better (a bit more vibrant).Just one thing: I think the glow on The Slate is hiding the piece of the seawall that stretches to it. Maybe movee the name to the side, and/or reduce the glow effect on the text?
>>82191682Ah man, thanks! and I like this version more than the OP version, I like the colors more, and the place names are way more readable.
>>82191678>Do lapsarians use paper money since we’ve established that they have readily available printing presses, news paper and printing businesses?Good question. The printing business in an industrial scale would be a fairly recent advancment. looking at history, many countries began to use banknotes as centralized legal tender in the mid 1800's, so the timeline would fit. Maybe as you suggested > perhaps some half step like they use coinage but bank notes exist, especially for amounts that would be to cumbersome to carry as coin?The government has began issuing banknotes as common currency, though this is mostly used in industrial areas and for large sums of money. In most places and in most transactions, coins are still king.About how this money is backed, I'd say probably in gold/silver/others, though I'm not much of an economist to weigh in on this very heavilly.> we’re going to have to flesh out jasentorf and kaguygoro more before we figure out what is imported from theirin theory next to nothing should be imported from Kyugoryo since it's very existance is something not widely know, so if anything it'd be too sporadic to be consdered in any macroeconomical sense.
>>82191755>About how this money is backed, I'd say probably in gold/silver/others, though I'm not much of an economist to weigh in on this very heavilly.Simple, one starts the petrol dollar early, with oil backed currency.
>>82191755I agree with the notion that Kaguygoro is economically irrelevant outside of the occasional gem-encrusted trinket and overly large insect.Even then, the latter is more of a health risk.
>>82191768I did consider this, but with how much the ammount of oil available fluctuates, how recent such a development is, and with how storage of oil is somewhat restricted, I wasn't sure it would be feasible. Especially sicne most oil isn;t controlled by the crown, but by private endeavors
>>82191793>>82191768If it is precious metal based then we need to know what is mined in Lapsaria and where. There could be gold in the Gehdenhon Mountains that propelled Lapsaria to prominence among its local neighbors early on.
>>82191682tell me, tell me about greycandle
>>82191805Gold from the Gehdenhon Mountains, Abundant lumber from the Machst Forest, fertile farmland along the river banks, and ample fishing along the capri and anwald bay would explain why the original lapsari people rose to become the dominate peoples in the area based on economic power alone. If there is gold in the mountains it would give something of value to Fairoze and Wurof. In fact Wurof could be an old mining town. >>82191827We actually don't have anything developed for Greycandle yet, feel free to throw some ideas, but just judging on the geography, it is the largest city in the Geladen Lowlands and it's likely because it's an easily defended penisula that's the last stop out of the greywaters before reaching more open ocean and the other sea routes. So it's likely the major economic and defensive hub of the Greywaters which is likely why grey is also in the cities name as well.
I've updated the racial map to help show off the multiracial clusterfuck in The Lechte.
>>82192087I feel like the Hasyyiam should be present on the map, after all the Royal Executioner is Hasyyiam and the Elder decided to piss off to the capital. Probably an ailing presence in the mountains to match their society collapsing outside.Everything else is perfect though.
>>82192108i think this could work, yeah.
>>82192108Makes sense, but that will turn this map into even more of a sluterfuck.
>>82192118>I'm gonna make the Balkans look like a unitary ethnostate and Tito look like a fucking Liberal-Hasyyiam Anon - 2021
>>82192130>>82192165Done. Having 11 major racial groupings trying to occupy the area, which is just a bit larger than Mexico, will end up being a hotbed for racial violence.
>>82192203>the fifth bombing in Piske this week
>>82192203Well with the majority group having a technological advantage and already performing an occupation on another large ethnic group will cause the smaller ones to picks sides and most of the smaller ones are either already partially assimilated into the Lapsarians or are already historical enemies of the durites. So lapsaria has most of it's minor demographics either on it's side or ambivalent against durites.The lechte on the otherhand is a teakettle ready to boil, especially with the occupation the durite population their is only going to expand from refugees coming in and pushing into Masoviin and Kossoki territory. Especially with the Kossoki and the Durite being historical enemies.
>>82192295>The lechte on the otherhand is a teakettle ready to boilYeah, that sounds like an interesting conflict.We should probably inlude Lapsaria's region sin the Geography section
>>82192087The adjective for "Of Masovii" is just "Masovii", this is actually a bit important to their culture, because it relates to their views for social order
>>82192324Ah ok, I'll change it.
>>82192343Yes this. Sometimes me type not good
>>82192441I think the Hassym should be the dominant people in most of the mountain territoiry near their border, since I don't really see the durites going up the mountain much, but that's just a nitpick
>>82192454An important region I had planned for the doc was around The Stone Crown up on the northern mountains. It's a Durite stronghold far from Lapsarian control. Also contains a sacred place for Durite pilgrims, something I mentioned a bunch of threads ago called the Father Stones.
>>82192471Fair enough, though I'm talking mostly about those territoiries directly adjacent to hassym lands. But that's just me
>>82192454I agree, maybe just connect those two largest added Hassyim blobs on the mountain side?
I've started a small writeup on each geographical region in Lapsaria in teh docs, mostly focused on who are they occupied by, what they produce, and any relevant info. I'm going to bed now, so if anyone wants to check what I've done so far and expand on it, It'd be great.
>>82192617they are connected, it's just through the hassyim country
>>82192617They are connected over the border. It's the Hassyim reaching through their own nation into Durite land.
>>82192659>>82192666I get that, I was just saying maybe they could surround that high mountain area on all sides.
>>82192688Something like this?
>>82192743Feels more connected to the mountains now, certainly.>Captcha is AAAAA
>>82192743I like it! Makes the hassym seem more connected to the mountains
>>82192743I was thinking more like, but i like that a lot too. Maybe both?
>>82192753>Captcha is AAAAACongratulations, you win
>>82192763That's also what I had in mind, so I like both
>>82192778Nice, I like it.
>>82192778so the peninsula seems like an extremely lucrative, strategically advantegous positino. Seems weird that it - as well as the horn there, again a seemingly very nice position - is completely free of major Lapsarian occupation.
>>82192795Yeah I'm changing that now. Realized it was odd.
>>82192778Good! .just to be clear, are those pockets of Hassym in western Durite plains, and a small blip west of the Timajor In the middle of Lapsarian heartland?Anyways, thanks for all the work CCA! I should probably head to bed now
>>82192800>Good! .just to be clear, are those pockets of Hassym in western Durite plains, and a small blip west of the Timajor In the middle of Lapsarian heartland?Yes, Durite transplants who have moved into Lapsaria.
>>82192814I see. Just wanted to know if it wasn't a misinput. I like it!
>>82189203>Life in major Lapsarian CitiesGorincamp is the regional capital of Verkhovoy Timajor and is the largest Aemid majority city in Lapsaria. The city not only hosts the governor (is that what we're calling the guys who run regions?) of Verkhovoy Timajor, but also the Timajor Okrug High Command, and the Directorate of Camps, who controls the operation of the Durit labor camps in the area. Gorincamp grew from a yearly meeting place for Aemid herdsman into a permanent town, who's central location, marketplace, and famed yearly festival made it a center for Aemid culture in Lapsaria.In more recent years, following an upsurge in Suuri raids and the discovery of mineral resources in the western slopes of the Orgil peaks, the Tsardom moved the capital of the region from the riverport of Volkov up to Gorincamp, as to better centralize power in the region and to coordinate the expanded military patrols and creation of mines and logging camps in the area. Life in Gorincamp since then has become focused on the concentration and shipping of lumber, minerals, and ores down to Volkov and the day to day operations of the Northern Border High Command as the traditional ways of the Aemid citizens are increasingly being abandoned in exchange for Lapsarian customs and ways.The yearly festival remains one of the few aspects of their culture that the Aemid of Gorincamp refuse to give up, and it remains the largest holiday in the city to this day.
>>82193962>governor (is that what we're calling the guys who run regions?)if not, it's still a valid translation into English. centralized since the region has minimal Lapsarian presence which is probably all clustered in the city. Although the history of Volkov being the old capital would have made me think that there would be some offices remaining down there.
>>82189203Not sure what' more of an eldritch monster.The Eldritch beings of this setting or the ever expanding Political compass. OR the fact that /tg/ has really stepped up its game in something non-coomer related. Please keep up the good work plan to run a game of this once our groups current campaign finishes.
>>82194362hell yea, keep us updated on that one
>>82194362Coom is temporary, Harpooning is eternal.
>>82189203How did you make this and the other maps posted? Photoshop?
>>82195231CCA used GIMP to edit the compass, so maybe that?
>>82195231I used SAI2 and CCA used GIMP. But it's basically dozen layers of shades of green slapped on each other and dash lines, so you can achieve the same result almost everywhere.
So, what's known about the Bandree, if anything? Why is the land that was once theirs so heavily populated by the Yechodi merchant-folk?
>>82195653Bandree wrere the seaweed farmers, distant cousins of the freeskalans.They got assimilated into the Laspisarians early on and are now nearly culturally and ethinically insdistinct. The seaweed farmer is probably a Bandree, even though he sees himself as a lapsarian.Now for new lore.There are a bunch of Yechods there because the crown gave them asylum, and it happened during a period of urbanization in the peninsula.Because of yechods being urbanites, they ended settling in large quantities in those new cities, although they are spread out among all of the Lapsarians cities as well, specially both of the capitals.
>>82195765Also maybe Bandree has high quality sand so they can make glass or something.
We need to archive the last 3 threads, I can do thread 10, but than I would need to wait a hour to do the rest.
>>82196147>WeHow many people do you have at that computer with you?
>>82196166We collectevly anon, every IP can only archive one thread every hour.Just did my part and archive part 10, now do yours and archive 11.
>>82196147Eh, I think by this point we have complete enough records of stuff in the Docs where I don't find Archiving every thread to be that essential. Hell, we might even be cluttering /suptg/, but i wasn't really fammiliar with it until I got into this so I have no idea what's the proper protocol for using it
>>82195610>But it's basically dozen layers of shades of green slapped on each otherExcept when i try that it looks like shit
>>82196263Mapping is mostly about passion, but some knowledge in physical geography will be useful as well as skill to add small noise.
So I noticed there doesn't seem to be that much nailed down about the Hooks and the Brackish Ones as of yet. Are the Hooks a fanatical cult of mutated fish-worshipers, gathering the destitute, broken and left-behind people of the industrial revolution with promises of a new beginning and brotherhood in the worship of King Fisher? Or are they more like a secret society pushing the agenda of the sea gods from the shadows, with a chain of command flowing down from the Brackish Ones to the heavily mutated Hook leaders on to mostly normal-looking agents and spies that are slowly infiltrating various other groups and institutions? Do we want deluded and fanatical cultists or cold, calculating agents of otherworldly powers, or maybe a mix of both? In any case, they should definitely have a network of hidden sea caves and flooded underground tunnels all along the coast that they use as hideouts and safe houses.
>>82196746When I creeated the Hooks, I was pending towards the > secret society pushing the agenda of the sea gods from the shadows, with a chain of command flowing down from the Brackish Ones to the heavily mutated Hook leaders on to mostly normal-looking agents and spies that are slowly infiltrating various other groups and institutionsinterpretation. More scheeming and manipulaing than fanatical and reckless.Though my opinion is worth as much as any other anon, so that's just my take.
>>82191682I realized there is only a single military fort unlabeled. I think I am going to add a military fort in The Lechte and label both it and the one in the south Durite Steppes.>Durite Steppe FortHoundshome >The Lechte FortOakwatchI'm also going to turn the road out of Piske that fades into Masovii to go into The Lechte and down into Freeskalon before fading again.
>>82197415I think that interpretation makes the most sense since they are the ones who speak on behalf of the brackish ones who in turn speak for the fisher king. The Hooks are supposed to be an urban myth, a folk tale told by lapsarian grandmothers to make naughty children behave. A disorganized and mutated collective would be to easily exposed, especially since they are also supposed to be a major player in the cloak and dagger going’s on within the Deacons ever expanded web of influence. The secret police are aware of the hooks but only the leaders know what the truth of them are. To the common man the hooks are an outlawed fish cult that may not even exist. Of course the brackish ones and the sea gods could care less about how their human worshippers organize themselves, but the hooks have organized themselves into a hierarchy of secrecy for the benefit of protection and infiltration. I imagine only those chosen by the highest in the order become chosen to receive his gifts. Their chosen victims of course getting the honor of becoming the eggs of the kings children. Speaking of grandmotherly warnings, here’s one I spitballed, one a particularly religious grandmother of the state religion would tell her grandchildren before doing their nightly prayers. “Pray thee to the unturned eyeBeneath the sea he liePray ye soul he takes when ye dieFear the men with fish mask of goldThese are the hooks or so I’m toldThey’ll take your soul to the king of oldSo say your prayers to the upturned eyeFor their are worst fates then to die”
>>82196746A mixture would be good.The hooks themselves are a secret society, but they have a few orbiters cults that they use as disposable paws.
Marine officer>prestige>cool beret>his dad was a hero of ververian campaign>Was one of the best student in Akademia>Spent free time on the noble parties
Marine>Elite>Semper fidelis>Proud of defeat traitors in Capri bay, wasn't even born then>Was born in fisher village, never went from shore far than 40 miles
Marine combat diver>Infiltrates harbor underwater >Mines all ships there including merchants and fisher vessels >Detonates charges>Refuses to elaborate further
>>82197700I like this as well. Most fish cults found by the police are usually bedraggled and conspicuous, and very low in the overall col;t hierarchy. Maybe at worse, thy find a mostly burnt letter witha fishook symbol in the corner, but no solid evidende of an overbearing conspiracy.
>>82197767You do have to be a Chad to not only survive Capri Bay, but to not lose hope and keep up the good fight.
Just small fix of alpha-channel.
>>82197777> be part of the local constabulary > love busting fish cults> start seeing a pattern> start putting connections together> try to convince constable chief theirs an even bigger fish cult manipulating the smaller ones>wait why are the secret police here?
>>82197777Lucky quads, checked.
>>82197877>Need some help, boy?>I see you are at deep shit>But I got used to be at deep
really is a wonder what a shitpost can change into after a few weeks
>>82197649Will the various maps be added to rhe lore text?
>>82198617Sure, but it's mostly one map over many iterations.
>>82198655I think the only two "finished" maps we have yet are the lapsarian geographical and Ethnical maps. the rest are all heavilly WIP
Been monitoring for a few threads silently as I feel like I've not been lurking for long enough to really contribute without wordbuilding into directions that might go against previous ideas. Blah blah blah;I just randomly remembered the fact that Limestone is almost entirely made up of dead sea creatures. Seems like it would neatly fit in somewhere and might serve as inspiration to a better writer than me
>>82197749what a smug cunt. I love him.
>>82197452Should there be a fort up in Verkhovoy TImajor? Aside from the mountain border with Hassyim I think it's the only border area that doesn't have any forts. Or do you think it's a kinda of situation where an actual fort is unnecessary, and the patrols in the region are just based out of the capital?
>>82199285That's what I was thinking. Gorincamp is the regional capital and also a massive prison complex/military base in my mind.
>>82199305Ah gotcha, I think that works well. Fits with that little bit I wrote here >>82193962, where the city is mostly concerned with prison labor and military concerns, but with a mostly Aemid population that is becoming more and more culturally Lapsarian as the years go by.
>>82196746Honestly, they should be one of the more enigmatic elements of the setting. A high level of detail sorta takes away from their character
got 3 hours into more detailing for the Narwhal and my power went out blyat
>>82196746>>82197415I was thinking that Brackish Ones aren't transformed humans, but actual "things from the deep" on orders from the King. At least that's how I feel considering the difference between "Emissaries of the King" and "Executors of King's Will".
>>82199631I think most of waht was discussed here was about the Hooks being tranformed humans, not the Brackish Ones.Though I do believe that the Brackish ones are what the Hatchlings become after being growing up, and that becoming (or becoming the host for) a hatchling is the "greatest boon" mentioned in the Hooks' description. So it'd be less of a transformed human and more of human born again onto new flesh.
>>82198433Landing group Red Marine>Has been through five tours already>Addicted to oil but gets it for free anyway>oil increases toughness>Has a lot of weird rashes>what the hell are these silvery growths?
>>82199631If you look at how hatchlings work, I honestly think the brackish ones were humans once, long, long ago.
>>82199900Alternative idea:>brackish ones were a previous sentient race that the Professor finds fossils of occasionallyBasically "what if Elder Things were corrupted by Deep Ones"
We're reaching the point the jannies might kick us out.
>>82199933A previous setting building push was Disney Villains Victorious, and that went on for months. I wouldn't worry about it.But we may eventually have to move to Discord just to finalize things.
>>82199933if they don't kick out tower girls I don't see why they would kick out us, especially considering people are actually playing in this setting
>>82199933Why>>82199944Discord’s for fags
>>82199963>Discord’s for fagsIn my experience Discord can be perfectly fine if you have rules strongly against off-topic and porn dumping.
>>82197649Looking at this if you want to go from Vaparo to Dru Ridge it might actually be faster to take a ship across Anwald to Monx and then across the Shores of Geboreon to Solbota then Piske before going up river past Fort Downspout and Suchen rather than going over land. Or maybe taking the partially complete railway and then going up river from the unnamed down upriver from Suchen. Even though the nation is massive, with all the navigable rivers and the railway getting from end to end wouldn't be awful. The only part hard to navigate is the central Durit Steppes.
>>82199963we're all fags here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sp87Ki1digGiven that the Airforce is a thing, perhaps the Lapsarian military has VERY basic Anti-Air cannons.
>>82199944>But we may eventually have to move to Discord just to finalize things.While I agree that eventually it will have to be this way, I'd like to make this trasition as late as possible. When moving to discord it becomes harder for new peeople to join into the project, lot's of people don't make the transition, and tripfaggoing (which, with the exception of CCA I am mostly against) would become mandatory.
>>82200000Q U I N T SQ U I N T SQ U I N T SQ U I N T SQ U I N T S
>>82200000I think sailing the long route might take you too far south to be faster than the land route, but either taking the railroad or sailing to the outpost between Solbota and Bellport and taking the railroad would definitely be faster.
>>82200000Maybe there's a public works for a canal through the Wolgher Peninsula to make such a trip (Vaparo tp Piske) even faster by boat?
>>82200297I had the same idea. Why not add a canal?
>>82200297That'd only shave off a few hundred miles of journey, wouldn't be worth it. >>82200260The overland journey is about 325 miles. The train journey is ~600 miles of train then close to 150 miles along the river. The boat passage is about 1500 miles all said and done.
>>82200304Over the shortest distance that's a ~20 mile canal to cut ~300 miles of sea voyage off the trip. It wouldn't be worth the hassle. You'd be saving just over 2 days on the journey on a sailing ship and less on a powered one.
>>82200324>That'd only shave off a few hundred miles of journey, wouldn't be worth it.Fair, but it's also a fairly short canal (~25 miles) through mostly flat/low terrain, so it wouldn;t be such a massive udnertaking. Maybe the project was a practice run for another, more ambitious project?
>>82200387>another, more ambitious projectCapri River canal to Timajor River
>>82200405> Capri to Timajor canalShortes viable path (Thorugh the middle of the Machst, near the railway) would be about 150 miles long, and would save rougthly 550 miles off of a trip. Seems like a hard sell, though if riverboat tycoons who were desperate to keep control over the Transportations infrastructure were to push hard enough for it then maybe?
>>82200495The problem is Capri Bay is a horrible Exclusion Zone.
>>82200499Also this. Though the plan could have been layed out before the disaster at Capri baya ctually happened, and in fact consutruction had began oin the canal when the disaster happened and it had to be abandoned.
Where is the stone slab located on the map?
>>82200534> the stone slabWhich one? The "Monolith" is somehwere far to the east/southeast, in the middle of the Vast. The "Forgotten Slab" is just a generic slab, these appear in most places where Monolith worshippers reside, so they would appear mostly in the Durit Steppes and off the map to the west, east and southeast.
>>82200534The forgotten slabs are located wherever stone worshippers are found as far as I can recall, THE Monolith, is somewhere deep in the vast, far off map.
>>82200589The Menhrir may be close by, though.Where is the Stone Admiral?
>>82200608Given the age of the Gilded Empire, maybe somewhere in Jesentrof?
>>82200608>The Menhrir may be close by, though.I think it was implied somehwere that there was a Menhrir in the mountains north of the Durit Steppes, where some Durite holdouts worship them.> Where is the Stone Admiral?great question. I'd place it (assuming it exists within Lapsaria) in Monx, or another major coastal town, as it has loads to do with sailing.
>>82197649just noticed in this map that Jesentrof is spelled Jasontorf
>>82200673But anon, it's Jasentorf. Just like is written on the map
>>82200688It's Jesentrof in the compass though
>>82200704I think the r being before the o was a misspel on the pronce's entry, sicne it's Jesentorf in the knight two spaces up.Now, Jasentor vs Jesentorf is a good question, and I think the Jesentorf is a misstyping from CCA, since searching the archives the first mention of it with an E was when he was confirming what he was going to add to the compass, all references before that were with an a.
>>82200749okay, back in thread 2, when it was first suggested it was this>The Gilded state of Jasentorf, House of a Hundred Princes>Just a regular fucking gongshow, of which the Princedom of Yothenstein is famous for its irregulars.So your right, looks like the map is right but the compass is wrong.
>>82200790So then, >>82189203 CCA, think you can correct the spelling of Jasentorf in the entries of the Prince and the Knight?
>>82200000Last thread had two trips, this one had a quad and a quint.It's a sign.
>>82200749>>82200704>>82200688>>82200673It was always Jasentrof, CCA just misspelled them on the compass
>>82201077Jasentorf*fuck german analog
Why not have Jasentorf/Jesentorf be ambiguously spelled? It's not the first time in history where different countries used different names/spellings.
>>82201116Fucking Lapsarians can't even spell foreign countries' name right.
>>82201288>"We only learn to spell things correctly when they matter."
>>82201077>>82200840I will fix it, but I probably can't get to it tonight. I GM on Tuesdays.
>>82201729Good luck on your game then!
>A yak farm just outside Suchen near the border of the durite occupation >A lapsarian officer and a squad of soldiers on horseless carriages arrive at the farmhouse>He introduces himself to the farmer, a lapsarian man who has lived side by side with durites most of his life>He is known unoffically as the Durite Hunter, having been tasked with the important job of hunting down durite insurgents being hidden by civilians >"You know others in my posistion, they think like Lapsarian's, well lapsarian soliders. Me however, I can think like a durite.">"To use animal qualifiers I would characterize the lapsarian people akin to sturgeon's, big and strong, and druite's to that of the Rock Crab. Small, timid, always near to the ground, and oh so delicious to catch.">"But where does the sturgeon look for hiding prey? It looks in quiet alcoves, shady forest of kelp, places it would hide. But where it would hide and where the Rock Crab would hide are not always the same place because they do not think the same, indeed the rock crab often hides in plain sight digging itself beneath the sand.">"I however can think like a durite and so I do know where to look.">"Know now that any useful information in securing the location of the insurgents will be meet not with punishment, but in fact reward. Chiefly you and your family will no longer be subject to searches such as this one for the rest of the occupation.">"Now I ask you...are you harboring enemy's of the state?"
>>82202014LmaoAlso this reminded me I never said good job to the anon who wrote that professor story.So if you see this anon, good job.
>>82202268Oh thank you, just one write fag making his way in the world, any (you)'s are not needed but of course appreciated.Captcha: MAGIS
>>82202690Well then, have a late (You) anyway.
I think it's time to open the can of worms of Lapsarian Religion once again.Some anons have done a wonderful job compiling ideas in the Docs, and reading through that I managed to cobble together the following:> A very long time ago, Lapsaria was mostly dominated by a stone/land faith. This belief was not the direct monolith worship seen in certain cultures, but something inspired and derived from it, with more of a focus on recognizing the land’s gifts and very mild active worship.> Around the time the tsardom was established in Lapsaria (~300 years ago), a small religious group of worshippers of the Sea were integrated into Lapsaria (Maybe from Capri Bay?). This group had a more structured and more active worship of their deity, and this structure appealed to the Tsar, who was converted to this faith in exchange for being religiously legitimized as the rightful ruler of Lapsaria.> As this religion had a much more active following and doctrine, it was able to spread quickly in most regions where the sea was a major force, but it had a hard time spreading over the inland sections of lapsaria.> After a couple of decades, fearing the difficulty in converting part of the population (more specifically the Kossoki and Lapsarians who lived too far inland for the sea to have any large impact in their lives) could present itself as a threat to his authority, the Tsar and the Church came to a compromise where they officially incorporated land worship into the official state religion, resulting in the current syncretic belief system.
>>82202972> This resulting religion believes in no gods per say, but rather in the forces of nature of the Land and the Sea, which are, to some degree, personified/attributed some sort of will. While both the land and the sea are recognized as existing powers by all followers of this syncretized belief, different people have different preferences and priorities for worship.> Most of the church, and of the people who live on the shores, riversides and marshes, are more avid Ocean worshippers. The ocean is usually seen as more fickle and more demanding, so its worship is much more active, with specific rites and practices aimed at placating and calming the seas (Such as returning one third of the catch, resting ocean worshippers in the sea in viking-styled funerals, frequent prayers and ceremonies, etc)> Worship of the land is taken upon by individuals further from any direct influence of the sea. This worship (with a few notable exceptions) is much more passive and decentralized, with the main themes being domestic worship, thankfulness for the blessings provided by the land, and few if any well structured rites.
>>82202982>>82202972> The Kossoki are the main outliers, as despite being mostly Land worshippers, they are extremely staunch and zealous in their worship, and defer to the church’s influence almost fanatically. They are wont to perform sacrifices towards the land as a form of gratitude, and while officially this does not include human sacrifices, when in battlefield Kossoki will frequently offer the death of their enemies as a gift to the land.> The old lapsarian land religion might also help explain why the Kossoki broke off from the Durites. The Durites are active Monolith worshippers, for whom pilgrimages are a very important part of their faith. Perhaps the kossoki were less interested in such a manner of worship, preferring to keep to their grazing lands over the steppes and deserts of the Vast, and thus ended up converting to the more static Lapsarian land worship. They might have converted to it a bit too hard, swaying from the usual passive worship of the land into more active worship, especially after the syncretization when the land faith became organized under the same structure as the Ocean faith.
>>82202990>>82202982>>82202972> Officially, the church (and therefore the Deacon) is the main authority over both sides of the religion, but due to its more decentralized nature, its influence is mostly felt over the Ocean worship rather than the land worship. When a new Tsar is crowned, it is done so under the authority of both the Land and the Sea. > Other religions are accepted within Lapsaria as long as they do not blasphemize againt the forces of the Land and the Sea, do not challenge the Tsar's divine right to rule and do not pose an active threat to the people. For example, Monolith worship would be accepted as long as it were to be explained as worshiping one specific aspect of the Land (In pratice, the government has no way to activeely check for this intent, so it explains why they used to allow for monolith worship until the bargain was struck, after which ulterior motives led them to change this policy towards the Monolith being heretical). Fish-gods cults and others could be seen as a threat to public safety and to the tsar's authority, which would explain why the Hooks are publicly hunted, and why the Venit are secretive about their faith (The government knows they worship something other than the sea itself, but covers it up as them worshiping an aspect of the sea to avoid conflict)
>>82202972The religion probably needs to be older, since the kossoki/durite split was because of then converting to lapsarian faith. Or atleast the last breaking point was.Other than that it's a good compromise on all the options on the docs.
>>82202999>>82202990>>82202982>>82202972This is all just one possible result of the work those anons did, so I encourage whoever is interessted to check it all out.I did my best to tie this in with the estabilished pieces of lore, but in case I forgot anything it's all up for adjustment. I'd like to hear your opinions on this, both what you think works, what doesn't work, what is just shit, etc>>82203001The idea I developed to explain the kossoki was that they accepted the Land worship of the Lapsarians in opposition to the Durite's Monolith worship. So the inroduction of the sea part of the religion would be posterior to the kossoki adopting it
>>82203023Just make it 400 years and it fits the timeline I think.But I'm not a kossoki specialist, so I might be wrong.We need kossoki anon, and the other anon who worked on the timajor to come and check, if they don't know the timeline, no one will.
>>82203049>>82203023But again, everything else seems to be straight on point.
>>82202972>>82202982>>82202990>>82202999Alright I’m fine with this but where does that left the upturned eye? It’s the main symbol of the faith and the idea that their gods looks up at them from beneath the world is one of the core ideas about them from the beginning? A collective representation of the land and sea? The eye of the world looking upon its children?
>>82203147Well, where is the sea? Below you.And where is the land? At your feet.No matter where you go, the gods are always watching from below.
>>82203180An it's a left upturned, because when you are at the, the land is watching you from the shore.When you are landed, it's the sea watching from afar.One below and one from the side, no matter where you go.
>>82203147God* Singular, how about it the eye is the representation of the spirit of the world both land and sea. Both on land and sea man strides above and upon it. If god is the world it makes sense it looks up to us as it is beneath us in a literal sense but above us in a spiritual one.All this aside I think we are fogetting one important thing. You know the whole point of religions...explaining what happens after people die. So what does the church state happens to people after death? Becoming one with the earth/sea? or is their an actual afterlife?
Ever since the invention of the Printing Press in Monx four centuries ago, the written word has flourished throughout Lapsaria and the wider world. With it came revolutions in not only the sciences and politics, but religious thought and philosophy as well; advancements that seem to be gaining steam as the next century comes slowly into view.Major Lapsarian news publications are:>The Vaparo Watchman; one of the most widely read newspapers in the entire world. Centered a major crossroads in the empire, all news is seemingly required flow through its streets, canals, and railways at some point. Another key point of its success is its proximity to several major pulp mills, giving it the cheapest paper in the country. It carries an unbiased air about it, preferring to focus on an outside observer's perspective and having a dim view of editorials. Even so, its reporting does have a detectable pro-Tsarist and pro-Tycoon leaning. It refrains from saber rattling, but once a war starts expect all headlines to be feature their frontline reporters.>The Fairoza Dragonfly, the paper which often breaks the news first and sets the tone for conversations that follow. The paper itself is infamous for its anti-establishment populism, as well as relying on Aerialists contracted with it to distribute the paper to distant cities before even whispers of events are able to catch up. For its critical reporting on the Ververian campaign, it earned the title of "yellow" - and with it the term "yellow journalism". It is often threaten with legal prosecution for its "lies", but has managed to weasel its way out of it by buying the support of several prominent industrialists with favorable reporting on their public works and philanthropic projects. The idea that it will be shut down any day now is a tired cliche.[cont.]
>>82203208Fusing both land god and sea god as one world deity is a completly new idea.It's not bad, might be good even, but it needs to be worked on so it can rival the other ones on the docs.I ran out of ideas making one of the suggestions, don't know how much I can be of help
>>82203287It is? So it's a sea god that has grown in importance to involve some aspects of the land? So kinda like Poseidon with his weird horse affiliation.
>>82203147Great question. I liked the ways these anons explained it >>82203203 >>82203208>>82203208> You know the whole point of religions... explaining what happens after people die. So what does the church state happens to people after death? Becoming one with the earth/sea? or is their an actual afterlife?I don't think that's the whole point of religions, but I agree we should give this some thought
>>82203208>God* Singular, how about it the eye is the representation of the spirit of the world both land and seaI think it's best to keep the deities separate, as having one deity completely gain another large aspect would be too much. But i agree the eye can represent both of their spirits watchingover its followers
>>82203287Actually, one that came to me right now.There might be theological debates wheter the Sea and the Land are two different gods, the same diety wearing two different faces, or a single unified world spirit.Different Deacons and professors have argued for each option, with some of these thoughts even being declared heretical in one generation, only to be accepted in the next.The dualist proposes there is also a sky deity and a flame deity, but fuck him, the smug prick.>>82203321Actually was just a sea gaith that had to eat a land faith.The original idea was a dual faith with a separate worship placating the sea and one thanking the earth.The sea god is cery cahracterized while the land god is very simple.But internal schisms and debates are the lifeblood of religion.
>>82203208Completly forgot to answer the nost important part.I guess both are good? You go to an afterlife where you are with the land and sea, so you can both wander and stay with your descendants forever.Or maybe there is an actual paradise, call it the blessed shores, where you feel no needs and can rest for all eternity.
>>82203442The Blessed Shores might be the better one, it would explain the viking burials, the dead literally are taking a journey to the afterlife.Also why people would do them even with a fine, they worry if the dead are cremated without taking the journey, they would be stuck on earth as ghosts.
>>82203230[continued.]>The Synancian Theosophical Journal: a diminished and insular publication, much like Synance iteself, it nonetheless publishes monthly to inform its readers on the leading discoveries and major events in the scientific, philosophic, and theological world. Its editorial department is currently in the middle of a civil war between hardline "emergancists", who belief that new life naturally emerges from some unknown source at regular intervals, and "transmutationalists", who believe that life "transmutes" itself slowly over time to become new species. Both sides have fossil evidence seemingly backing up their claims. Many readers agree that its ruined what was once a calming enjoyable paper; although recent articles featuring claims about "ghosts" haunting Capri Bay and bloodthirsty narwhals stalking the arctic have attracted a sensationalist seeking readership.>The Hook Naval Dispatch: the preeminent military paper, focusing mostly on news that would interest naval officers - although it does have reporters that cover the Durite occupation and the war against aerial piracy. It is pro-war, pro-Tsarina, pro-Upturned Eye, and paradoxically pro-Tycoon and pro-Industrialist. Has a very "Lapsaria is the best, only fifth columnists want to see Lapsarians arguing amongst themselves" vibe. This makes it very popular among nationalists, although it does have a bad habit of labeling various ethnic minorities (and their barbarian ways) as being behind recent civil strife. Many a pogrom was started thanks to its headlines, especially when military defeats are blamed on Yechods or Kossoki.>The Aragasun Slinger: More of a pamphlet than a real newspaper, it is currently banned from publication and those caught reading it are severely published. It isn't even actually printed in Aragasun anymore, but in secret locations throughout the empire. Pro-Durite, pro-Aerialist, pro-Unionist; and at all times anti-Tsarina. The agitator's paper of choice.
>>82203522>>82203230Feel free to come up with your own newspaper ideas. I tried to avoid just making Chruvir the newspaper capital as well as political capital.Also we may want to think about if telegraphs and telephones are things yet. Even in early infancy, those technologies are powerful.
>>82203370>There might be theological debates wheter the Sea and the Land are two different gods, the same diety wearing two different faces, or a single unified world spirit.>Different Deacons and professors have argued for each option, with some of these thoughts even being declared heretical in one generation, only to be accepted in the next.I like this. Like, a lot. Seems like the inane religious discussion that would happen after a while, especially if one doesn;t have the full historical context as clear as we do.>>82203442>Or maybe there is an actual paradise, call it the blessed shores, where you feel no needs and can rest for all eternity.I like this as the afterlife that came from the sycnretic belief as it ties in both sides of the faith.>>82203485> it would explain the viking burialsSince those are mostly for the Ocean worshippers, what would the land equivalent of this be?
>>82203230>printing press 4 centuries agoUhhh no way too early, and it wouldn’t be in Lap. Remember their current industrial progress is cheating - they basically skipped 200 years ahead
>>82203572Ah, my bad. It'd have been two centuries prior then.
>>82203554>Also we may want to think about if telegraphs and telephones are things yetThe timeline might fit for telegraphs in an very early infancy, though I'm not so sure it'd fit with the setting in general.>>82203572>they basically skipped 200 years aheadI'd say closer to 50, but i agree 400 years would be a bit much. And I'd also prefer if it wasn't created in Lapsaria, though we can have Monx as the earliest Lapsarian adopter due to it being a major trading city.
>>82203604>And I'd also prefer if it wasn't created in Lapsaria, though we can have Monx as the earliest Lapsarian adopter due to it being a major trading city.Jasendorf then? Although if that was the case, it'd have to be invented even more recently.
>>82203620>Although if that was the case, it'd have to be invented even more recently.Why so? I think we can have it at around 300 years ago or so and have it been created in jasentor without many issues.
>>82203647How far behind is Jasentorf compared to Lapsaria?
>>82203658100 years or so, but their fractured political structure helps contribute to that and they are explicitly described as a very old fashioned place (politically, militarily, etc). So Lapsaria is ~50 years ahead of the world as a whole, while Jasentorf is 50 years behind the world as a whole.
>>82203620Masovii, they were behind the industrial revolution before Lapsaria cheated.
>>82203696Could work, though the Lapsarian press growin in Monx would need to be better explained since the explanationn of the idea of press having come through maritime trade will be harder to go with since masovii is landlocked
>>82203568Maybe the land worshippers bury their ashes, so the land will carry them to the blessed shores thorugh it's own way.Maybe they originally believed in becoming one with the earth and didn't actually cremate the dead before burial, but when the religions mixed it becmae common.Maybe they also skip on the whole boat part and just burn the dead, but that is often seen as disrespectful to the Sea to some more ardent worshippers, so it might be publically discouraged.
>>82203676>>82203620>>82203647Split the difference, jasentorf invented the first basic printing presses hundreds of years ago but they were always a niche hobby for nobles with to much money until about 80 years ago when they arrived as an oddity in Monx and then really took off over time and when the industrial boom took off shot printing into an all time high.
>>82203745Them burning the bodies to reach the same goal though different means seems appropriate, and being something that developed after the syncretization fits the theme of tthe religions compunding on each other.> but that is often seen as disrespectful to the Sea to some more ardent worshippers, so it might be publically discouraged.I think this wouldn't work with the piece of lore tat was being thrown around of the government limiting the Viking funerals recently due to overpopulation, because if that were the case, what would people do with their dead bodies?
>>82203767Going with that in my write up.
>>82203714The tech was born in Masovii and was mostly used for guild pamphlets and accouting, and was somethig similar within Monx, mistky used by the Yechod urban minority to keep track of glass orders.But when Lapsaria had it's industrial revolution, newspapers as we know it started to appear.So kind of like what happened in the real world, but a bit different. The sea trade is probably less vital when the world is a pangaea.
>>82203776True.Maybe it was discouraged but the Deacon backtracked the old law? Might be better to just drop that part rather than justify it though.
Related question to the printing press:What is the holy text of the Upturned Eye called? Should we go with "bible", or something else?
>>82203817I think having something against the major religious practice of land worshipers would make them feel like second class religious people, which might be an interesting direction to go towards, but if we're going for an "equal, but different" approach, then I agree it's best to drop it. I'm adding these last details on the religion to the docs, then I'll upgrade this whole section from temporari text to "canon" lore>>82203837Is there even a holy text? Since the land part began as almost a folkm tradition, it probably wouldn't have any major scriptures. Meanwhile, the Ocean part could have had something, but I'm rather fond of the idea that there isn't one main religious text, though there are several books/pamplets/etc made by the church about the faith and about church doctrine.
>>82203837The Laws? Because the religion was very strict?
>>82203867>Is there even a holy text? Since the land part began as almost a folkm tradition, it probably wouldn't have any major scriptures. Meanwhile, the Ocean part could have had something, but I'm rather fond of the idea that there isn't one main religious text, though there are several books/pamplets/etc made by the church about the faith and about church doctrine.There's got to be a holy text on some level. Judeo-Christian religions all started as oral traditions, and were eventually written down separately and compiled into a single text; and the same desire to standardize and make canon would apply here. The alternative is heterodoxy being the norm, and no state-sponsored religion wants that.
>>82203867Actually, this dudes ideas are better.There are basic rules, but you got to be initiated and soend a lot of time digging through to learn it.Even then, most are ritual that laymen either aren't allowed to do, or have a very specific, auxilliary part.
>>82203896>Judeo-Christian religions all started as oral traditionsThis religion would be more akin to maybe Hinduism or Shinto or other polytheistic/gods as physical concepts religions, and many of such religions don't have one central religious text, but rather various religious works about their exploits.Also, religious texts such as the Bible/Quran make sense in a messianic/prophetic religion. Without a central figure to delimit the contents of the book, it would just be a manual of rites to appease the gods.> he alternative is heterodoxy being the norm, and no state-sponsored religion wants that.this though I think is a good reason. Maybe after this became the official state religion, the church formalized a set of rules and guidances for practicing the rites. So it wouldn't be a full religious text, more of a manual for the clregy and very avid followers.
This is what I currently have written down:>The history of the Printing Press is a tumultuous one. Originally invented in Masovii, it was used by merchants and nobles for easily reproducible accounting and taxation purposes, then migrated to Lapsaria and Jasendorf through Yechod guildsmen and bankers - particularly in the city of Monx. The theologians of the Upturned Eye saw its full potential, and used it to spread their vision of a centrally organized orthodox religion far and wide; spreading the printing press among secular circles along the way. With it came revolutions in not only in religious thought, but science, politics, and secular philosophy as well; advancements that seem to be gaining steam as the next century comes slowly into view - especially as new technologies such as light-than-air flight and the telegraph make transporting news and information faster and cheaper than ever before.
>>82203941I like it.This probably makes the Synancian Theosophical Journal one of the older ones, since the order was religious in nature in it's inception, so it might have ties to the church as well as the Tsar, being a royal university and all.
>>82201729Yo, when you're done with your RPG, can we get an Image of the Deacon to dd to the Religion section of the docs?
>>82204091The Deacon's on the compass though
>>82204015I mean that would make sense since it's a newspaper about religion and philosophy.
>>82204015>>82204972from a meta-perspective not so much though, since theosophy is something that came about in the second half of the 19th century which is "contemporary" for the setting. Of course the setting doesn't follow reality, but from a feel standpoint it's a bit jarring.
>>82205424It’s not the same Theosophy as in real life. I threw in that word for flavor.
>>82205487And if you look at my post, I not only acknowledge that, but specifically point out that I am literally talking only about flavour.
>>82205424who gives a fuck about the meta-perspective
>>82205570People in these threads constantly talk about real life analogues, how much to conform to them and how much to explicitely deviate from them. This setting is like 50% built on meta perspective.
>>82203230>>82203522Not any newspapers but I have some ideas for popular smutty romance novels >A Diver and his Bell: the story of a simple woman from a fishing village who rescues a deep sea diver who washes up on shore. The diving suit is stuck because of the accident but despite not being able to see his face through his helmet or touch him through his suit they fall in love anyway and her patience is rewarded when together they find a way to free him and he’s fucking hot of course>Secrets of Late Night Yak Milking: a scandalous and lurid tale of forbidden love between a Durite shamanese and a Yossik Yak Herder>To Love a Tsarina: a story of a self insert protagonist street urchin through a series of coincidences and hijinxs ends up as a courtier in the Tsarina’s noble court and begin a relationship of steamy passion. Though the author of the book denies the tsarina in the story being a direct stand in for the real tsarina their were enough similarities between the character and the real thing it got the book banned by the state and the author sentenced to a prison labor camp up at the northern border for defamation of the crown. Consequently this has resulted in the book being a major collectors item since only one run of the book exist.
>>82204628Other people that have entries on the compass also appear in the docs
>>82206808no he means the image is literally there just go take it
>>82206871Oh, I'd prefer the uncompressed version, with the transparent background. I can remove the background myself, but it'll probably look sloppy
>>82206177>Banishment couldn't stifle creative compulsion and as the author was shuffled between prisons his work only grew steamier and more taboo. Samdizat hits include "Good Loving on the Gulag Archipelago" and "Secret Weddings under the Sea Wall". Given these have taken on an understandably inflammatory tone against the Lapsarian establishment and the unlikelihood of anyone thriving in one let alone several prison camps it's been theorized that the original author perished long ago and a cabal of admirers have been writing under the penname (whether prose has improved or declined is the subject of heated debate).
>>82206928>he can't use an archive
>>82203837Speaking of what are the worshippers themselves called? Congregation of the Upturned Eye is sufficiently baroque for the state structure but a bit of a mouthful for laymen to self identify as. I'd offer "witnesses" to tie into the eye imagery and establish worshippers as observers in awe and at the mercy of the ocean.
>>82203867As for holy texts I dig church Slavonic and Hebrew obsession with faithful copying so it'd be nice to have some of that but also think your idea of "no scripture, a thousand pamphlets" is neat too. Maybe the one true not!bible can only be written in a dead tongue on the fish-leather of a critically endangered species. Only the Deacon and other high-tier clergy have access to the actual text and with translation strictly forbidden once the printing press arrived the Church's thirst for expansion over came their contradictory traditions leading to something unstable and new (now ain't that the story of everything in Lapsaria?). There is a Book locked away somewhere safe and every so often there's a festival celebrating the sanctification of a new copy but most clergy in the expanded church work from pamphlets which by design only ever allude to the contents of the Book lest they be accused of the foul sin of translation.
Shout out to that anon
>>82207197I think this is a nice compromise. There is a text from which all others are derived, but it's contents aren't exactly well known. That way we don't need to worry about having a well defined canon for this one book or for the church as a whole, as the canon is pretty much everything they aprove of.
>>82207131I can, I'm just lazy
>>82206177>>To Love a Tsarina: a story of a self insert protagonist street urchin through a series of coincidences and hijinxs ends up as a courtier in the Tsarina’s noble court and begin a relationship of steamy passion.Omegakek
>>82207242Cheers. I'd add that while the stonies are far more decentralized it'd be nice if they had "tutelary steles" so that as with everything else religious becoming well versed in scripture involves pilgrimage. There could also be a nice compromise in that the Book of the Upturned Eye is ancient but obsessed with remaining static (lower priests pretend to understand the dead tongue, higher ups probably do) while the steles aren't necessarily all religious or intelligible. Seeing Ozymandias' fallen monument is a lesson beyond words or so the stonesingers say anyway. Only the Monolith is eternal, our words are mere scratchings upon it.
So I looked at the doc and see we ahve adopted the idea that most of inland Lapsaria follows a religion unrelated to the state religion. This was a problem when it was proposed and it is still a problem.We havea.) a church which gives elgitimacy to the absolutist-ish regent of the country who is known to interfere in common ideology with heavy handed sanctionsb.) a church which is centralized, has worldly power and sends out priests and hasc.) a whole order of subversive, state-sanctioned secret police that influence the country to their whims.HOWEVER and at the same time we have:d.) a comperatively low spread of the religion in the country, little to no obvious efforts over the last five hundred years to bring the land population under the banner of the religion that justifies the Tsardom or any kind of effective in-land prostelization work.See the problem?
>>82207300Could tie in to the Book/pamphlet dichotomy. The Church was too focused on perfection to allow divergent preachers to spread a less than doctrinally pure version of their faith out to the boonies (there may also have been a taboo against going out of sight of the coast). With the printing press and agitation by fish cults (who want the watery word to spread and are less particular about it being the Upturned Eye's) it's a fait acumpli which the Church can either accept of be replaced with. Probably the Deacon's doing.
>>82207300>most of inland Lapsaria follows a religion unrelated to the state religionI don't think you undeerstood tthe proposed concept. The land religion IS part of the state religion, just not the most active part. Both the Land worship and Ocean worship are organized under the faith, only with varied levels of actual religious fanaticism.> little to no obvious efforts over the last five hundred years to bring the land population under the banner of the religion that justifies the Tsardom or any kind of effective in-land prostelization work.There are sections on the religious document that explicitly describe how, before the syncretization, there were attempt to bring more people into the Ocean worship, and due to these attempts failing to a certain degree the two parts of the religion were syncretized into a single faith.
>Go to the Doc>Someone put the Suuri Brave as the image for the Masovii>SighI'm going to replace that mmm'kay
>>82203230Nice idea with the Aerialist distribution of the Dragonfly. Not quite a newspaper but I'm thinking "airmail" should be a phenomenon unto itself.>Being sky-Cossacks the Aerialists yoke many disparate origins under their articles of agreement. Among the most eagerly incorporated traditions are those relating to communication over large distances with one of the earliest examples being thee friendly rivalry between Gedehon yodelers and Prgil whistlers. >Pidgeon husbandry has become a wholly unique phenomenon with initial squab pens catching the eye of ex-Lapsarian fish-fanciers. Only a couple of generations later and the Aerialists boast specialized long-distance courier breeds, babbler crows, show cocks and many feathered wonders besides.>There has been conflict with falconer aerialists of Kossoki extraction who bring their hooded killers up into the new plains. The falcons often "accidentally" intercept messages intended for other crews while out squab hunting. Casualties in resulting brawls are mostly limited to the birds. Mostly.
>>82207353Really? Must have shifted from somewhere
>>82207300> most of inland Lapsaria follows a religion unrelated to the state religion.did... did you actually read the section on religion? Or did you just skim through and are complaining about what you thought you read?Because you're acting like the Land worshipers are heretics, when they are explicitly members of the same religion, under the same church.
>>82207300Lmao dude didn't actually read.
>>82207218I don't know if that was me, but I was editing the religious section with another anon at that time.
>>82207528Was there a farewell in Synance's description?
>>82207161World's witnesses, to tie in to the whole personification of worldly forces?
>>82207539Yes. I said good night to an anonymous wolf I think.
>>82207557Witness on its own suits me given this is meant to be the concise layman's label. I can see it as something a particularly devout peasant might insist on being called.>>82206177>"Sweet water and salt: a tale of Brackish buggery">"Slab-breaker, broken." Entry VII in the "rock hard" series>"As the Sailor said to the Deacon." The sybarite pamphlets.
>>82207622I have no way to know if that was me as the random names change for every person, but that sounds about right. Morning anon!
>>82207161Speaking of which, do we have a name for the Faith itself?
>>82207674I'm not well read in the doc but in my head it's been the Temple/Congregation/Church of the Upturned Eye. There may be a true name in the church Slavonic equivalent but that's the one which works for secular official purposes.
>>82207683Fair enough. I'll use that (Church of the Upturned Eye) in the Docs then, unless someone has a better idea or any opposition
>>82207642Morning Anon. Hope the Brackish one did't get you on your sleep.>>82207683>>82207696I personally prefer Congregation.
>>82206177>>82207629If this has any resemblance to the actual Victorian Era these things are all over the place.The Lustful Turk, The Mysteries of Verbena House, Venus in India, or Love adventures in Hindustan, and Exhibition of Female Flagellants are all real titles.
>>82207791> these things are all over the placeI thought you were saying our sugestions were all over the place, then I read the examples and realized you were talking about how things were really whack in the Victorian age.
>>82207805All that respectability's bound to make freaks of people behind closed doors. iirc a lot of Victorian prudishness was a response to horror at the syphilis epidemic.
>>82207805Kek.People like to think Victorians were puritans, but they were as horny as the women that keep buying those monsters romance e-books nowadays.
>>82207805Those are just the ones I know we have documentation of. The governments of the Victorian Era tried their best to strangle out possession by dealing with erotica publications.But that shit flooded the streets in light publication (that unfortunately didn't survive as well as proper novels) and was everywhere.
I just realized that Perkeland actually ended up being used.My sides have just entered orbit, I love this project.
>>82207629>"Menhir men." Entry the first of the "rock hard" series. Ostensibly an anthropological treatise/stonemason's gazette which was unexpectedly popular with readers of a Gilded disposition (what's the Vast's equivalent of "Bohemian"?) for its vivid description of the men sweating away at work and their unwinding after hours. It's unclear if "rock hard" has since been ghostwritten by another author or if the original writer continues to be completely oblivious to the homoerotic undertones responsible for his popularity.>"Sunset, arise." Think Byron's memoirs of Greece. The unnamed narrator is suspected to have been a scout in the employ of the Crown which given the geographically unlikely placement of several of their well described trysts is a strong possibility.>>82203230>The Soggy Scriptures; there are pamphlets interpreting and reinterpreting the Book every other week. So many so that the many schisms have come to an uneasy truce so as to bring the Sea-fearing reader as much scripture as they can handle. Named for the poor quality paper they're printed on and the tendency for the splinter sects loudly trumpeting salvation to fade away as quickly as their pulped and repapered words do. A popular rumour of dubious veracity says that early editions came with vials of sanctified brine. The expense of procuring the liquid left little budget for the vessels and the cut-rate vials leaked all over the pages. It is said that a miracle occurred when the brine-soaked inks ran through the pages an scribbled a new scripture in flawless church script. Those who say the Hooks stepped in and vanished it tend to vanish themselves.
>>82207941>The Masovii Sheets predate the notion of named newspapers, scientific journals and gossip columns. They do not claim to be the eldest paper because they do not claim to be a paper, like the Commonwealth itself they are countless near-identical institutions stuffed into a trenchcoat. Specifically the Sheets are appreciated abroad for their unorthodox and eclectic mix of articles surrounding list upon list of stock prices. Several developments of auction theory and financial practice have reached the public through these piecemeal exposes, it's these which many readers sift through the dullness for.>The original names of the Opal and Oak Stone are lost to time but then it was never the names themselves which were important so much as their role. The two papers were written by and for the Masovii political caste to hash out their intense arguments over minor points of policy (the assembly commonwealth being useless for this purpose consisting of filibusters, shouting and riots as it does). The papers are implicitly another branch of propaganda ministry (though predictably the Opal has for a long time insisted on the term "facet" being used).>Gongoozler's Gazette; obsessives have always found something to amuse themselves with but as the Railmen began to set themselves up as modern competitors to the canals the Tycoons were all too happy to coral various "waterway admirer associations" into a single propaganda wing equating canal living with Sea-loving and good old fashioned Lapsarian values. Any attempt by Industrialists to set up their trainspotter equivalent was scuppered when the modestly successful Aerialist sister-'zine was outlawed/transitioned to Air Mail after the Revolt.
>>82208093>Prolefeed was originally an artistic revolt against the commodification of mass culture. Like Dadaism it was designed to be repugnant and utterly failed when the disaffected unquestioningly embraced it. Prolefeed specializes in collage, often splicing headlines from papers released that very day to mock just about every take on a given event. Some have taken the contrived chaos for a smokescreen obscuring deeper order and the Hooks have definitely been keeping an eye out for any messages smuggled in the cuttings.>The Slinger's name The name derives from once typical levy from the area now adopted as the paper’s mascot. Less charitable folk insist it reflects the paper’s earlier days when distribution consisted of tying death threats about a rock and hurling it through the windows of good Sea-fearing folk. As the threats turned to manifestoes and manifestoes to local news the slinging desisted though the stigma stuck.
Aether's mentioned in the doc but what exactly is it? My first guess would be hallucinogenic fumes from the variety of Salt Aerialists burn. Maybe they like to tune their Black Salt/Oil engines with a little Red/Pink as an octane equivalent?
>>82208116I think it was deleted from the Aerialist section, but "Aether" is what they call getting high from having low oxigen from altitude, they just don't know that's what's happening so they assume there's something fucking them up.Though that's just because they didn't want to include another element.> Maybe they like to tune their Black Salt/Oil engines with a little Red/Pink as an octane equivalent?In theory, airships (at least Lapsarian ones) run on Oil
>>82208160Alignment with industrialists who have an interest in Salt and contempt for the Crown's laws don't take Red Salt off the table as an additive to Oil technologies for me. I'm thinking of leaded petrol though the low O2's an interesting take. If they are sky Cossacks though you'd expect at least a few mountainfolk they deal with to join and explain that the air's thicker down below.
>>82208195>you'd expect at least a few mountainfolk they deal with to join and explain that the air's thicker down belowInstead they convince these mountainfolk high air is filled with this Aether thing that makes you trip balls
>>82208275Could well be so, I imagine that in the almost anarchic crews it's just another thing to brawl over.
>>82208329Just like the various powers the Ziz may or may not have. That'd be a nice spin on "chasing the dragon".
>>82191682Think you could reduce tthe Font size on The Lechte? Right now the font being bigger than Freeskalon might lead someone to believe this is a country itself, and not a region of Lapsaria
>>82207642>>82207622the best romance story ive ever heard
time to neglect my actual job and work on this instead
>>82209539You Philistine! To Love a Tsarina is the great Lapsarian novel if ever there was one.
>>82209847Every time I picture that book I just imagine the Tsarina poppin it out of a burn-bin in the censors office, opening it, rifling to the steamy bits and just going,>Nice.
>>82209872 I speedread what you wrote and for some reason I thought you said it was a pop-up book. I was thoroughly confused and interested
>>82209872She secretly uas a signed copy under her pillow
>>82209885This is the era when pop-up books took off, after paper became ubiquitous to the masses you could afford those novelties.
>>82209947> To Love a Tsarina, the number one pop-up smut books in all of LapsariaWhat a time to be alive
>>82209969KirkMaybe they should’ve sent the author to the asylum instead of a work camp.
>>82210557> implying the asylum isn't also a work camp
I think the Lapsarian faith is finally done, to add anything else would probably start to be way too much detail.
ok back to about where I was before the power outage, less happy with how the mouth turned out this time but what can you do
>>82210797It's progressively getting better and better.Soon we will be able to see the Saii-Helveta in all of it's glory.
Ok, here is the document where I be doing transcribing/rewriting of lore (only to expand/clarify) as well as detailing out rules:>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kV4IkD7O2qFX6C0YYZQ78SBqpcJv07uy72ow-Mcvt3g/edit?usp=sharingIt's view only for new, will open to comments when there is moreof it to comment on.
>>82210918I added a link to it at the top of the docs.
>>82210993I am open to talking about any of the rules I detail out in this thread, but I want to keep the document uncluttered for now if at all possible.
>>82210918>>82211120Speaking of rules, goddamn this 6PIP system is good. I've seen a couple of systems somewhat similar to this (A friend of mine homebrewed something that had this same structure of Stats and Skills altering the way you roll die) but nothing as simple and elegant as this. I'm not sure if I'm more impressed you came up with this or confused no one has come up with this before, but anyways kudos!
>>82211120Also on the topics of rules, did you have any ideas on how to replace the ceremony tax?
>>82211423I took the advice before and am making Ceremony specifically about religious mysticism. It was a good direction for it.
>>82211450Nice, that opens up playing as a dedicated priest as well.
>>82210918This is really nicely lain out too!>6 statistics>6 skills per stat>6 lifepaths>6 levels of success>6 dice>6 levels for all qualitiesHonestly, this is a really elegant way to do it, everything being max 6 makes things easy to understand.
>>82211514Agreed, tickles the 'tism in the very finest way. Tried something similar by adapting One Roll Engine to work with d6s (the only dice I had) but only got a mess.
>>82210797The white whale is now whiteI think I'm gonna take a break for now on it tho
>>82211587You've earned it. The big guy looks suitably sinister.
>>82211587Rest for now Kossoki anon, because detailing the small zuuri might be the harder part.
>>82211657I don't doubt itI'm also considering putting like a Tlingit art style rendition of the narwhal on the side of the canoe, but I'll see how it turns out
>>82211686>Narwhal attacks canoe with narwhal clearly drawn on it. Clearly the narwhal doesn’t like competition
>>82211789figure something that big in the arctic needs to eat something right
>>82210918Nice that you're using number of successes for resolving tasks. Hope that AnyDice function helped.However, are you sure you want to name Complexity 3 as "Standard"? For 4 stat 4 skill it's ~68% chance of scoring at least a Success, but for 4 stat 3 skill (apprentice with good aptitude?) and 3 stat 4 skill (trained professional with poor aptitude?) it drops to ~43%. Not sure whether that could be called "Standard". Maybe "Challenging" would be preferable, though it kind of depends on the power level of characters.
>>82212349This is also based on the degrees of success. Failing by 1 degree (rolling 1 under the complexity) still accomplishes the task but at a small cost.I have been using the anydice to determine brackets. The numbers are also based on how Effort Dice and Edge work. In practice a character is more skilled and the system more forgiving than the pure numbers.
>>82212373>The numbers are also based on how Effort Dice and Edge work.I knew I was forgetting something. Effort Dice by themselves will have big impact on the odds. What are the Edges though? I don't remember that from the old doc.
>>82209807Don't get fired for our sake, boss.
>>82212419Edge allows you to increase the threshold of a roll by 1. You get 1 Edge per day per Lifepath you have. So most character start with 2 edge and so twice per day can increase their range of success by 1. Effort, in contrast, is gained at a rate of 1 per 10 character points accumulated. This means most characters will begin play with 6 effort dice. >>82212440I'm ahead of schedule at work and today was mostly meetings I don't have to pay attention to.
>>82212458What's the current decision regarding Lvl 0 skills? Are you not able to execute them, do you need two 1s to count as a success, or is it something else?
>>82212748I think the idea was to have 1 be the lowest a skill can be
>>82212761Oh yeah, I read something wrong in the old rules docs. I'm rarted
>>82212748As >>82212761 said, 1 is the lowest rolling goes.
For anyone reading the document, are the examples understandable?
>>82213114the complexity and bargain skill in the second example being the same could cause confusion, you could make it complexity 5 bargain 4
>>82213496Thanks, changed it.
>>82213114Seem pretty straight forward to me
I'm out of the office for the day, so have about an hour to write rules, but I also GM on Wednesdays and will be doing that a good portion of the evening.
>>82214736> GMs on Tuesdays> Gms aon WednesdaysCome now, next thing you'll say is you GM on thrusdays as well
>>82215101I do GM on thursdays. My schedule is Tuesday/Thursday and every other wednesday.
>>82215114You jest. No one in /tg/ actually plays RPGs, much less 2.5 times a week.
>>82215140Tuesday and Thursday is the same campaign setting with two different groups, Wednesday is Eclipse Phase night in my cyberpunk setting.
>>82215156What's the campaign then? Going by this project's success it ought to be diverting.