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>>448450

Here is the current document in progress:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12-IT8pOV-Zql8AQeJwJuojjMDWRtzdPb60i-9qKCQeo/edit?usp=sharing

Firstly, let's go through all the core members of the team. There are fourteen people who are officially recognized as New Defenders; seven males and seven females. There are also a great many allies and close family members connected to the team, but serve official functions in other ways, such as Johnny Cage and Mileena. All of whom we will get to in good time.

The New Defenders:

Akayama Kaito
Cao Kahnzadeh
Sergeant Cassie Cage
Specialist Jacqui Briggs
Takahashi Takeda
Forest Fox
Kung Jin
Kung Ling
Zian Liang, Codename Tundra
Frost
Andela Vrbada, Codename Vapor
Joshua Fireseed
Sheeva
Corporal Samantha Stryker

Some of these characters are from the canon, some are original in nature, but if you have followed the quest you are familiar with each. We're going to go through each of them, establish their skillset and special moves (made easier by some having special moves from the games themselves) as well as their skills and flaws. If you recall Thief Quest, Cao was built with a very specific set of skills and character flaws, and these guided and helped roleplaying him. Kaito, being our first protagonist, had special moves but not skills and flaws, due largely to the concept evolving over time and his origin as designed by the players, whereas Cao was designed primarily by the KM.

But although some of these characters are indeed from the canon, they are in subtly different places than they were as presented originally, both in characterization or skillset. Keep in mind that skills and flaws can change over time, and characters can always improve with training and honing themselves, so the key I am getting at is that we are establishing the basis for New Defenders Quest that the episodes will expand upon. Characters will grow and change, but for now, we will determine what they can and cannot do at the start of the quest.

Pick a name from the above list and we will start with them. Who first? Perhaps someone familiar, such as Kaito and Cao?

>>448462
>Zian Liang, Codename Tundra
Half-demon Ice Man!

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>>448471

Tundra could be a good place to start out with. Not as powerful a cryomancer as his father, not quite as good an assassin as his mother, but now being worked and trained as both.

At the end of the recent Legacy of the Lin Kuei quest, two new abilities were chosen for enhancement: Enhanced Ice Object Creation and Enhanced Ice Armor

We could go in-depth and describe his special abilties, skills and flaws, as well as write his entry for the design document while we do. Should we start with him?

>>448462
>Zian Liang, Codename Tundra

>>448483
Special abilities. I wanna know more about the upgrades we got

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>>448484
>>448471

Alright then, let's talk about Zian.

We'll start with the Special Moves.

Obviously, as a given, he has the Freeze Ball. He also recently demonstrated the ability of creating a sword of ice, which he used against an ice dragon.

Let's aim for somewhere between five-seven "special moves" that range from direct attacks to using his ice in special ways.

At the end of his quest, he took Enhanced Ice Object Creation and Enhanced Ice Armor. Let's design some special moves based around those, and perhaps incorporate some physical fighting styles combined with a bit of cryokinesis.

One idea I had is the creation of many snowflake-like throwing stars the he throws as a fast projectile, just like his mother, with perhaps an enhanced version that freezes the opponent as well.

What do you think? You can also suggest a few ideas of your own.

>>448497
I like the throwing stars idea. But going based off the choice of powers we went with I could totally see Zian being a lock down fighter. Once he gets close enough to you he would trap both of you in an ice dome, shield up, and start laying down the hurt.

>>448497
Does Zian get any inspiration from Sareena in his moves?

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>>448518

So would you call it Ice Dome? A kind of igloo-like structure he can erect around himself or an opponent, possibly to protect himself or to prevent an enemy's escape?

>Ice Ball
>Snowflake Stars
>Ice Dome

We also have Ice Armor, which is a special ability in of itself; perhaps an enhanced version could cover him more fully and offer more protection?

>Ice Armor

What else can Zian do? Suggest any ideas that you feel like.

>>448526

Well, that's why I wanted the throwing stars made out of ice, or perhaps we could make them throwing knives to match her MK:A move, but I'm a bit inspired by pic related's ice-shuriken. But I would be interested in anyone else coming up with some ideas based on Sareena.

For reference, her MK:A moveset:

Five-Star Kick: Back, Forward, 3.
Gut Buster: Down, Back, 1.
Throwing Knife: Back, Forward, 2.
Skull Bash: Forward, Forward, 1.

>>448530
Gut Buster & Skull Bash could be included as a part of Tundra's "lock down" fighting style as suggested here>>448518

Also during Zian's quest we used a lot of ice spikes coming out of the ground to stab people as well as ice walls. Maybe to fit those actions as well as his Enhanced Ice Object Creation into his moveset he could have a couple environmental ice object creation moves

>>448530
Five star kick is sick. I want it.Do you think Tundra could have some sort of stacking ice attack? Like the more he hits the opponent the more stacks of ice he gets on them and then when he hits his opponent with a special move of some sort it pops all the ice stacks?

>>448544

I could see those two moves having some ice-related flavors; perhaps an enhanced version of skull bash could be that he covers his head in a shield of ice before smashing it against an opponent.

>>448547

Perhaps some manner of Freeze Kick? Like, he kicks each part of an opponent's body (arms, legs, chest, maybe head) and freezes each bit before a final hit?

I know we are talking about moves but could I toss in a suggestion for a Tundra/Frost fatality?

>>448562

Of course, this is an ideas thread, just because we're not talking about Frost at this second doesn't mean a thing.

>>448562

Now that you mention it, it might bea fun avenue of thought to explore Character Combo special moves later, Ultimate Alliance style, like making a freezing arrow with Tundra/Kung Jin or Tundra/Nightwolf.

>>448558
Now that I think about it. That seems like the freezing kicks would be more of a frost move. So i would actually prefer it if we saved that one for her.

>>448584

Well, if we want to do that, we can stick with the current list:

Ice Ball
Ice Shuriken
Ice Dome
Ice Armor
Gut Buster
Skull Bash
Ice Spikes

>>448587
Seems like a good moveset to me.

>>448587
Perhaps some affinity with traps made out of ice? It's a good assassin+cryomancer combo in my opinion.

Perhaps not for combat, but an out of combat skill, for ambushes and whatnot.

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>>448587
Maybe something like this for ice armor except you know, more icey

>>448605

I'm recording all of this in the document, by the way. I'll be constantly adding to it as we go on.

>>448608

Perhaps we could lump that under the skill of "ice object creation" if we don't want to make a specific move for it.

But a kind of beartrap-like move that an opponent could move into, keeping them in place might be interesting. We could give that to Tundra or Frost, or perhaps another character could have it later on. Fireseed perhaps? He seems like the kind of guy who would carry traps on him, since he hunts dinosaurs and all. What do you think?

>>448608
That sounds good. Maybe an ice wall that he can use to cut people off or block pursuit

>>448570
I think Frost could utilize an Iron Maiden fatality, Tundra could use a cruder less detailed version of it as I believe he isn't as potent of a cryomancer compared to Frost right?

>>448612
I'm cool with that

>>448618
This sounds really plausible. I like it.

>>448608
Eh, if he gets good at ice objects I see no reason why he couldn't get it set up during.
And we did play Zian pretty tactician.

Think of it like a lingering effect off combos maybe.
Takes set up during fights so elaborate things would basically be almost ritualistic.

Simple things like slip+slide into spikes for extra damage though could just be quick modifications maybe?

>>448618
>I believe he isn't as potent of a cryomancer compared to Frost right?

This was the case originally, though after the events of his quest he's gotten a bit better in certain ways. I think it would help to perhaps define the key differences in their style:

Tundra, since we chose objects and armor, seems more of a physical ice user; protecting himself or enhancing himself with sheets of ice, and using it offensively is more of a case of creating objects like weapons or domes.

Frost should be more along the lines of area-of-effect things; ice that spreads on the ground, or creative ways to freeze or slow down an opponent perhaps. Those are my thoughts.

>>448626
That sounds good to me, helps contrast the two cryomancers so it's not like we have to identical characters

>>448626
Well okay.
How about makeshift manacles and hobbling via ice shackles or the like, allows so hobbling, restriction and combo breaking potentially but could also go wrong.

>>448626
So are we still on powers or are we moving on to the other aspects of Tundra. I for one am quite satisfied with what we have so far.

>>448637
Plus it plays into the whole BDSM thing a touch.

>>448626
I think this is the best for balance and variety.
Frost's temper is indeed suitable for AoE attack style

>>448639

Right now I'm doing a draft of special moves and their enhanced variations. You can see the progress as it unfolds in the doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12-IT8pOV-Zql8AQeJwJuojjMDWRtzdPb60i-9qKCQeo/edit?usp=sharing

How about we add "oblivious" to Zian's flaws?
Or did you guys already started womanizing with him in his quest?

>>448656

He's oblivious.

>>448656
Frost's feelings are known but Tundra still doesnt really know what he wants.

>>448659
I'm sure Tundra still doesn't know what Frost wants

>>448658
>>448659
>>448666
How about "Agenda: Noob Saibot" and he gets a little narrow minded when his uncle comes into consideration.

I mean all of the Defenders have something personal that changes their behavior from usual.

Here's what I've got so far:

Ice Ball: Tundra blasts a freezing ball of cryonic energy in a straight line at an opponent, freezing them if it hits for a short time.
Enhanced: Frozen Ball: Instead of mere energy, Tundra creates a physical orb of ice that he launches at his opponent, dealing damage and freezing them on impact.

Ice Shuriken: Creating a small projectile between his fingers, Tundra quickly throws it, dealing minor cutting damage if it hits.
Enhanced: Freezing Shuriken: Creating more shuriken with both of his hands, Tundra throws them in a flurry, and upon connecting, they can freeze an opponent.

Ice Shield: Tundra creates a thick shield of ice in front of him that he holds aloft to deflect an oncoming attack, either off to the side or back at his opponent.
Enhanced: Ice Dome: Tundra creates a full dome around himself, used for defense from the outside, or to trap an enemy inside with him to keep them from escaping.

Ice Halfplate: Tundra conjures up half a suit of icy armor to protect himself with, keeping himself from taking additional damage.
Enhanced: Ice Full Plate: A stronger suit of armor that fully covers his body and lasts longer, offering stronger protection.

Gut Buster: Tundra takes a step back before lunging forward and slamming his fist into his opponent’s gut, knocking them back.
Enhanced: Gut Freezer: As before, but with added cryonic energy to enhance the damage and freeze them for a follow-up attack.

Skull Bash: Tundra slams his forehead against his opponent.
Enhanced: Frozen Bash: Tundra covers his head in a layer of ice before doing his attack, enhancing its damage and knocking the opponent backwards further.

Ice Spikes: Tundra summons an ice spike somewhere in his vicinity, either below an opponent or elsewhere, that can be used in an offensive manner.
Enhanced: Ice Trap: Tundra designates a spot for a delayed Ice Spike to shoot up from when an opponent walks over it.

I couldn't find footage of Skull Bash originally, but another pointed it out: https://youtu.be/ipjv1JWO5RQ?t=35

What do you think? Should I change it, or keep it as is? What about the others? Should they be altered or removed?

>>448672
I have noting to add, looks fine to me.

>>448672
Looks good to me. I say that the skull bash is fine as we still get the after image, even if it is purely Aesthetic

>>448678
>>448679

Let's talk about skills, then.

Thief Quest had ten skills for Cao, along with ten flaws. The flaws were more character-related and didn't confer mechanical bonuses or negatives, but skills gave out +10's.

Off the top of my head:

>Ice Object Creation
>Stealth (From Sareena)

Let's have some suggestions. They can even be mundane things; perhaps he's good at skiing.

>>448700
Maybe for the sake of future character creation and stuff we should lessen the heartache by lowering the amount of things we need. Say five for each section?

>>448700
I figured Zian more of the snowboarding type.

>>448712

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

>>448713

Sure, why not?

>>448700
>Cool head
I dont know if this is a skill but it would relate fto him being harder to goad into doing something rash. Like the opposite of Cao's reckless

>>448712
Yep, this is the most sensible. Perhaps even four

>>448716
or Ice-sculpting, he looks like a relaxed sort.
No to mention that I think he was making ice-clones when you first introduced him.

>>448720

Yeah, I could see it. I described him in the bio I just wrote as "level-headed" and that's how I've always tried to portray him.

I think a good flaw for him would be that he overthinks things; where others would act on instinct, he hesitates. I wrote about that in the bio too.

>>448727
Overthinking is good but we need three more flaws.

>>448727
That sounds good. Adding in a arch-nemesis in the from of Noob would be good as well. What >>448671 said sounds pretty good

>>448738

I'll go with that vendetta that >>448671 mentioned.

>>448727
that's really fitting

>>448744
Remember Tundra quest? You wanna say cant swim?

>>448758

I think he can swim, it's just that he was pretty far down when it happened.

>>448750

Perhaps, to coincide with that, something about Indecisiveness? Or something along the lines of having difficulty adapting to new situations or change?

>>448765
I've been thinking "too forgiving" or problems with being harsh" (except when Noob is involved)
but if I have to pick I choose being rigid and hard to adapt. >>448620 said Zian is tactical, so indecisiveness might be a little contradictory

>>448781

Alright, here's our current list:

Skills:
Ice Object Creation
Stealth
Cool and Calm
Ice Sculpting
Tactician

Flaws:
Oblivious
Overthinking
Vendetta
Rigid
Merciful

What do we think? Change anything, or shall we move onto another character?

>>448785
I'll lay my vote with "It's cool as it is"

>>448785
Seems a-ok to me

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Before we move on from Tundra, I'd like to talk about this character relationship chart I developed recently.

Left Verticle category is the Observer, Right Horizontal category is the Observed.

This is only initial impressions, and in no way prevents the characters from fighting or training alongside each other, but essentially: Red = Negative, Yellow = Medium and Green = Positive.

These are relationships that will need to be worked on in order to improve them throughout the quest.

So, Tundra's opinions of the others are as follows:

>Kaito: Respects for his accomplishments and stories from his father
>Cao: Friendly with, helped out in the bar that one time
>Cassie: Nice to, recognizes military authority and a daughter of Johnny, another ally of his father
>Jacqui: He thinks she is very professional, tactical and strong; Jax/Sub-Zero connection
>Takeda: Uncertain of; he thinks Takeda seems unfocused and lazy
>Fox: He thinks Fox is very quiet and unsocial; not friendly. Hard to get a read on him
>Jin: He respects Jin's intellect, sees that he is very well-studied
>Ling: He is curious about her, but doesn't know much
>Frost: Ally, clanmate, possibly attracted to her and unsure of feelings from him or her
>Vapor: Little Sister and best friend, no romantic feelings at all
>Fireseed: He finds the mercenary very hard-edged and not very easy to approach
>Sheeva: Unsure of how he can relate to her
>Sam: He believed her lies about Chicago and thinks she's capable

>>448785
Sounds good!

>>448829

We're also actively discussing things in the Discord chat, for anyone who isn't already part of the chat room.

https://discord.gg/8BHvxRH

>Moving on...

We've got:

Akayama Kaito
Cao Kahnzadeh
Sergeant Cassie Cage
Specialist Jacqui Briggs
Takahashi Takeda
Forest Fox
Kung Jin
Kung Ling
Frost
Andela Vrbada, Codename Vapor
Joshua Fireseed
Sheeva
Corporal Samantha Stryker

Who's next?

>>448829
Woah, this is some top-noch work. Let me see..

>>448837
Does Kaito and Cao needs a revision? I thought they are already fleshed out enough?

>>448837
>Takahashi Takeda

>>448843
>I thought they are already fleshed out enough?

It helps that we have Cao from a previous document, but we can now add Shao Kahn stuff to him. Wouldn't hurt to finally nail down the extent of Kaito's abilities ever since he gained control of all four elements. Or we could so someone else, like Takeda.

>>448859
>>448860
I'm okay with doing Takeda next

As for the extent of Kaito's abilities; I've been strong advocate of the Bloody Hand style from day one. and wasn't really the fan of Elemental Master Kaito.
I am not against it in any way, I just prefer him more as "the sole heir of a very brutal fighting style that's perfected by the family for generations"
Hmm, now that I think about it, this story seems awfully familiar.

>>448829
So if I get this right, then rows are how the person perceives others, and columns mean how the person is perceived BY others, correct?

>>448882

>So if I get this right, then rows are how the person perceives others, and columns mean how the person is perceived BY others, correct?

Yes, precisely. If you read a column from top to bottom, you see how they are seen by everyone else.

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>>448859
>>448882

Alright then, let's talk about Takeda. I'm currently drafting up his special moves, which we have in abundance thanks to the game.

How about skills and flaws?

Skills:
Telepathy

Flaws:
Snarky Little Bastard

>>448903
>Sneak
Because ninja training.
>Unorthodox thinking
Because rolling well to spank Ling and also Sneaking through a city while naked.

>>448903
>checking the chart
>Takeda
>Attracted almost to the entire female cast
I think it's safe to say he has that typical soft spot for women in him that makes young boys get into all kinds of trouble.

>>448914
I have a flaw!
> Too trusting
Wasnt upset when cao didnt tell him about being shao khan and he believed Kung Ling about sexy times.

>>448931
Think we could say "open heart"? It's a feat that has it's advantages and disadvantages.
Too trusting, but easy to meet new people, and so on

>>448931
>>448939

That's pretty good. I would also add telekinesis to his skills, though he doesn't use it offensively. The wiki tells me that he uses telekinesis to recall his blade when he drops it in one of his variations.

>>448943
So non-combat/weak telekinesis? Like he can fetch his slippers from the other side of the room, but he can't slam his opponent against the wall

>>448949

Pretty much. Both his telekinesis and telepathy are pretty low on the spectrum right now, stuff he can't really use in combat, at least not to hurt people.

>>448943
Damashi, off subject of characters but most important question of the thread:
Will there be Dragon Jets?

>>448956

Honestly, since day fucking one with you people.

.................

..................................

............................................yes

>>448961
>since day fucking one with you people.
Hey man, we know what we want. Now all we need to do is get someone to yell "KOMBAT TIME!" whenever a fight starts and we're golden.

Also, I will never not hear Stryker and Scorpion's voice as being anything other then Ron Perlman.

I'm currently writing Takeda's bio. So far, under skills and flaws, I have:

Skills:
Telepathy
Telekinesis
Sneaking
Adaptable

Flaws:
Snarky
Womanizer
Open Heart

I'd like at least one more skill and two flaws.

Something related to art, a sport or a hobby? Ideas?

>>448983
Tinkerer as a perk? He seems to have an affinity to gadgets

>>448983
Flaw; "Hothead"/"Tactics are for chumps"?

>>448961
For a flaw lets go with something like whiner or procrastinator, something along those lines.
>>448992
Cao had "reckless" which is what i think you are going for here

>>448996
Yeah that's the ting.
I guess I should stop trying to name flaws and perks as something creative

>>449000

It's alright, we'll be touching up on bigger details later on anyway.

Skills:
Telepathy
Telekinesis
Sneaking
Adaptable
Tinkerer

Flaws:
Snarky
Womanizer
Open Heart
Hot Head
Procrastinator

We can move on from here, I think, I wrote a bio for Takeda and recorded his special moves from the game.

Who's next?

>>449005
>Specialist Jacqui Briggs
Let's see what Jacqui can do

>>449005
The only thing I might add is that I think Takeda might be less of a womanizer, and more just a guy who is rather easy to sway.
Not such a big thing tough, we can move on.

>>449016

Anyone else up for Jacqui?

>>449045
I'm cool with it.

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Jacqui is still mostly based on her canon self, though her origins are of course subject to a few minor differences. Jax never died and went all PTSD on his farm, so he stayed in and encouraged Jacqui rather than opposing her military career.

While she does have some of daddy Jax's moves across her variations, her specials do depends on what gauntlets she is wearing.

As far as her pairing with Cassie goes, I've always tried to portray her as the more level-headed of the two, though both are snarky in their own ways. Just that Jacqui is the kind to think twice more often than Cass.

Let's talk about skills and flaws.

Skills:
Weightlifter

Flaws:
Sassy

>>449064
"Whizkid"? The way I gather she is pretty partial to machinery herself.
Perhaps she could specalise in software where Takeda is more of a hardware guy.

>>449064
>Limit-breaker
Can do things that would seem super humans sometimes?

>>449084

Ah, that's right, I had her repair the car in Thief Quest.

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>>449084
No innuendo intended I swear!

>>449085
Olympicon maybe? Trying to push for 110% performance
Not somewhere between opportunistic, and maximalist, but not really either.

>>449113

Here's what I've got so far:

Skills:
Weightlifter
Mechanic
Knitting
Kickboxing

Flaws:
Sassy
Strict
By the Book
Competetive

>>449115
I have no idea. Maybe we should leave it like this so she has room to grow as a person?

>>449115
Could mental fortitude be a skill? Like less able to be manipulated by magic and the like?

>>449126
I think it can definitely be.

Maybe we could add stubbornness as both flaw and skill

>>449126

Sure.

I won't be long, I'll just be getting some dinner.

>>449145
Where have I heard that before?

>>449149

Bitch to be you right now

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>>449152
Oh,

Alright, I'm back.

I'll need to do Jacqui's bio and special moves yet, but in the meantime I'd like to move onto someone who isn't just a case of me copying special moves and the like, someone for who we can get creative and fill in some character gaps and make a more well-rounded character.

So, out of:

>Fox
>Kung Ling
>Vapor
>Fireseed
>Sam

Who do we want to do next?

>>449259
Sam.

>>449265
...It's time.

>>449275
time for what?

>>449280
Skill Unlocked: Throw Diary

>>449280
Sam, duh.

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>>449282
>>449284
oookay then

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>>449265
>>449275

Sam it is then.

Let's talk about her backstory a bit, so I can bring to light stuff that I've only been implying or hinting at: she wanted to follow dad in his footsteps because Kurtis always wanted a son and as such was emotionally distant towards her throughout much of her childhood. She went to the police academy, but her father pulled some strings (he's got a lot of connections) and got her through relatively easily, landing her a nice desk job in a safe part of the city as a corporal. Kurtis never wanted his daughter to be in any real danger and went out of his way to often ensure that trouble wouldn't find her.

Sam is plucky, generally outgoing, and a little on the chubby side after getting hooked on too much yoghurt after her academy days. She likes cute things and keeps a diary.

Any questions? Things you'd like cleared up or expanded upon?

>>449302
*raises hand*
Is her mom hot?

>>449302
*raises hand*

I'd like >>449310's question to be answered please!

>>449302
Is Frost going to call her fat at some point?

>>449330
I see the odds of that are extremely high.

>>449330
According to our chart above, certainly.

>>449336
>>449337
MAXIMUM OVERBULLY

>>449310
>>449319

Give me a minute

I've got an idea and I'm too deep in the rabbit hole to stop now

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After helping to save the world in 1992, getting the key to the city of Chicago, writing a book, getting a movie deal, going on tours and such, he married olympic swimming champion Dara Grace Torres, now Dara Grace Stryker, and pumped a kid into her pretty much right away.

That's Sam's mom.

>>449383
You could've just said no.

>>449387

That's mean

>>448882
I like Bloody Hands...but an MK character can't subsist entirely on normals, you gotta have special moves.

Also there's a weird contradiction where Kaito is very lighthearted to have such a violent style.

Get scared off /tg/ already Damashi?

>>449302
Driven: Would like to do her old man proud, do more than some desk-job, and maybe score with that hot coldo-mancer

Fragile self-esteem; Although she would really like to, she is not so sure she actually can.

>>449395
>there's a weird contradiction where Kaito is very lighthearted to have such a violent style
Well that's exactly the cherry on top of the whole thing. I love it.

True tough, we gotta replace the red lighting with something. I just always felt like having all four elements might be spreading too thin.

>>449397
>Get scared off /tg/ already Damashi?

I've actually had my fill of time on /qst/

New Defenders quest is going to take place on /tg/

That's why the design document says "A /tg/ Quest"

I'm making this thread here because it'll be up for a week

>>449408
>it'll be up for a week
so adjustments can be still made later?

>>449413

Absolutely. This is a collaborative thread, and things can be tweaked.

Anyway, let's talk about Sam's Special Moves, Skills and Flaws.

Special Moves:
None

Skills:
Swimming
Driven

Flaws:
Unconfident
Frail

Any more suggestions?

>>449406
>I just always felt like having all four elements might be spreading too thin.

Eh, it's less than Shang, Shujinko, and either C/Khameleon. Also, interestingly enough, "wield all four elements well enough to overpower Fujin and his three brothers" is just one of the canonical powers of Shinnok's Amulet.

>>449419

Perhaps shooting rubber bands or folding paper cranes? What is she really good at?

She's midly good as a sketch artist. I can put "Doodling" as a skill.

>>449419
Singing, taking orders, or eating yogurt.

>>449426
Speedreading/writing?
With all the bureaucracy deskjobs can be serious business ya know

>>449427

Someone on Discord suggested cooking, that could be a thing.

I'm partial to "Skill: Good at Googling Stuff"

>>449430
>I'm partial to "Skill: Good at Googling Stuff"

Does the SF have a wikia for cataloguing realms and creatures yet?

>>449429

Ah, yes, paperwork.


Skills:
Swimming
Driven
Paperwork
Cooking
Writing in Diary

>>449438

No, but the Shaolin have their archives that Jin studied so much.

>>449439

Working with the chat, we've narrowed it down to:

Skills:
Swimming
Driven
Paperwork
Cooking
Writing in Diary

Flaws:
Unconfident
Frail
Non-Confrontational
Sweet Tooth
Naive

Thoughts?

>>449451

Cool. Really cool

>>449451
Real strong powerset we got here. Are you sure we didnt make her too strong?

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>>449463

There is something else I haven't brought up, that I feel the need to, in that Sam has absolutely no powers. She has no special ability, hidden or otherwise, and certainly did not inherit any kind of latent superpower from her father, at all. She's 100% normal, human and comparatively boring to everyone else on the team.

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>>449477
Does she know how to do hand to hand combat?

Damashi, you didn't put another super-powerful outsider into an unsuspecting character again, did you?

>>449477
>and certainly did not inherit any kind of latent superpower from her father, at all.

Not even a hammerspace to carry infinite grenades in?

>>449477
How is she at logistics?
It's not always about who punches the most damned souls of water spirits into their targets with a single kick after all.

>>449487

Actually I've been meaning to bring this up, but at the end of the last thread when I posted the Kaito short where he is talking to Johnny and Blake, someone asked for the stats and rankings, which I had done prior to posting that story but the thread archived before I woke up.

This is still a work in progress, but here it is:

Top in Categories:
Marksmanship: Aiming with firearms
Jacqui, Jin, Fireseed, Cassie, Takeda, Fox, Sam, Frost, Ling, Tundra, Kaito, Vapor, Cao, Sheeva

Acrobatics: Obstacle course and demonstration
Cassie, Cao, Ling, Vapor, Fox, Takeda, Frost, Kaito, Jin, Tundra, Jacqui, Fireseed, Sheeva, Sam

Running: Speed and distance before stopping
Cao, Fox, Cassie, Kaito, Takeda, Tundra, Fireseed, Jin, Jacqui, Frost, Sheeva, Vapor, Ling, Sam

Landnav: Using a map and compass
Fireseed, Jin, Cassie, Jacqui, Fox, Takeda, Kaito, Tundra, Vapor, Frost, Ling, Sheeva, Sam, Cao

Written: A written exam featuring various topics
Jin, Jacqui, Cassie, Kaito, Vapor, Takeda, Fireseed, Fox, Sam, Tundra, Frost, Ling, Sheeva, Cao

Combatives: No powers, pure physical combat skill
Sheeva, Kaito, Fireseed, Cao, Takeda, Tundra, Fox, Jacqui, Cassie, Jin, Ling, Frost, Vapor, Sam

Infiltration: Sneaking past guards
Vapor, Fox, Cao, Jin, Kaito, Takeda, Frost, Tundra, Cassie, Fireseed, Ling, Jacqui, Sam, Sheeva

Leadership: Qualities that inspires others
Kaito, Fireseed, Cassie, Tundra, Jacqui, Sheeva, Jin, Cao, Takeda, Fox, Ling, Frost, Vapor, Sam

Power: Pure raw energy output
Kaito, Cao, Sheeva, Vapor, Frost, Cassie, Tundra, Takeda, Jin, Ling, Jacqui, Fox, Fireseed, Sam

Being in Last Place: Sam

>>449441
Converting to digital seems like exactly the kind of mindless-but-efficient busywork a government bureaucracy would be all over...

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>>449499
>even Vapor is more inspiring than Sam
The girl needs some SERIOUS training

>>449499
lets do Cao next

>>449499

Having put out the list, let's continue with someone else:

Akayama Kaito
Cao Kahnzadeh
Sergeant Cassie Cage
Forrest Fox
Kung Jin
Kung Ling
Frost
Andela Vrbada, Codename Vapor
Joshua Fireseed
Sheeva

>>449519
Is Ling's friend with the white hair whose name escapes me not on the team?

>>449524
Unfortunately Lex is not on the team

>>449519
How's Sheets been?

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>>449524

Lex may not be on the team officially but don't count her out. She's just committed to finishing her training under Master Bo' Rai Cho and earning the title of master first.

I've got plans in mind for her to show up during the quest, don't worry.

>>449536
Ugh, autocorrect.
Sheeva.

>>449536
>>449540

Sheeva is well. We could stat her next, if you like.

>>449545
Sure why not

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Alright then, Sheeva.

We have a good slew of special moves for her from the games. Let's talk about skills and flaws, then touch on her personality and relationships, then we'll see if anything needs reviewing.

Skills:
Strong
Pottery

Flaws:
Proud
Traditional

Let's have some ideas.

>>449568
for a skill how about intimidating?

>>449568
Lacking a sense of humor?

Is "Honorbound" or "Woman of her word" a skill or a flaw?

>>449577

I think Honorable could dictate a +10 in some actions.

>>449577
Just put down "Literally Worf" in both categories.

>>449568
Is ambi-(or is it quadri?)dexterity a skill, or it's kinda baseline for a shokan?

>>449587

Sounds fine to me.

>>449568
"Hard to impress" for flaw?

>>449601

Perhaps Hard-to-Please or Critical or Demanding?

>>449568
Not sure where this would go, but as a shokan champion and part of the royal family she would have stronger political connections and sway in outworld.
Also she is more or less one of the teams seniors along with Kaito so she would be far more knowledgeable in combat and other affairs than much of the team

>>449616

Ah, yes, Royalty would be a good bonus.

Skills:
Strong
Pottery
Intimidating
Honorable
Dextrous
Jumping
Royalty

Flaws:
Proud
Traditional
Humorless
Hard-to-Please

>>449612
Yeah, sounds about right. I can't decide which describes it most

>>449616
It's undeniable that she is one of the most experienced member of the team.

>>449622
Does Sheeva get more skills cause of experience?

>>449625

Maybe. But we can always add more later.

Cao had eight skills and eight flaws.

>>449625
Maybe instead of more skills, she is just better at what she is skilled at as she has been doing it longer

>>449622
To be honest I think because of the weight of her flaws it makes up for the lack of them, if that makes sense.

If we're done with Sheeva maybe Fireseed?

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Alright, now I'd like to talk a bit about how Sheeva feels about the other people on the team.

>Kaito: Old friend, once almost considered as a lover, lots of respect
>Cao: Recognizes his strength and respects that he was able to overcome Shao Kahn; still a bit personally angry over the Jagara encounter, and as a general rule doesn't much like theives
>Cassie: Flashy, like her father, rude and crude
>Jacqui: Respects her strength and drive, like her father's
>Takeda: Thinks he has an attitude problem when it comes to women
>Fox: They haven't really spoken
>Jin: She thinks he is cowardly in a few ways for hiding behind a bow and treating his Shaolin origins like a free pass
>Ling: Childish, immature, doesn't take things seriously
>Tundra: Clueless, but not a negative opinion
>Frost: Definitely a fool, guided by her emotions and anger, little pride
>Vapor: Pities her due to the shell she keeps herself in, thinks she could be so much more
>Fireseed: Respects, he gets things done
>Sam: Why is this weakling here?

>>449674
Would she consider Cao as a lover?

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>>449691
The way I hear it, Cao already has plenty lover problem already

>>449691

He'd have to put some work in, and he's got his hands full with some other women, doesn't he?

>>449694
He can handle it. Shao Khan could

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So, who's next? Fireseed? >>449670

>>449709
Will we actually get to pick abilities? If yes then yes.

>>449721
>Will we actually get to pick abilities?

Yes, he doesn't have a canon moveset to base them on.

>>449725
So I guess we can use what we have seen him do so far as a base to build off of. He has mostly used arrows with explosives and stuff attached right?

>>449709
Fireseed works for me

>>449747
>>449709
So; skilled archer, probably tracker, and trapmaker too.

>>449747
I thought he had a rifle? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

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>>449747

Joshua Fireseed comes from the same tribe as Nightwolf. Nightwolf is now a full-on shaman, guiding the spiritual growth and maintaining the heritage and culture of his people, but Fireseed has grown disillusioned and distant from these roots. He is a mercenary, a soldier of fortune, who has operated across Earthrealm in a variety of calndestine operations. Despite his lost connection to the spiritual aspects of his tribe, he maintains the earthly skills; he is a tracker, a survivalist, one who does not shy away from using whatever means he needs to get the job done and get out alive.

He does not shy away from technology. Explosives, firearms, tech-arrows with explosive tips. He is a master knife and machete fighter, preferring distance over close quarters but a monster in close combat as well. He is not a genius, but he knows tactics and has led men into battle and covert operations.

He is not a man who makes friends very easily.

>>449771
So he needs a bow attack, probably with several different arrow heads.

Maybe a sidearm shot? Like a quick pistol shot.

Maybe a gut stab with his knife, or a parry maybe.

Maybe a mine attack? where he deploys a remote mine?

>>449786

Yes, he definitely would have specials revolving around his gear.

Perhaps something with traps? Like a rope or some kind of snare?

>>449786
we need a tomahawk, cause he is Indian, and bayonets, cause they are cool, and compatible with guns

>>449794
That classic trap that gets the guy by his ankle with a rope, and leaves him hanging upside down?

>>449794
That's where I got the mine idea from

>>449801
sticky-mines?

>>449800

Perhaps Fireseed is good at 720 Tomahawking.

So let's examine a list

Bow
Rifle
Mine
Sidearm
Knife
Parry
Tomahawk
Snare

>>449824
8 potential special moves

>>449831

Well, that's if we don't want to get rid of them.

Let me list a few ideas:

Bow: Could have normals, use an explosive for enhanced?
Rifle: Burst, perhaps anti-air, a bit like Long-Range Jacqui
Mine: Could be motion or remote or timed
Sidearm: Quick draw firing
Knife: Stabbing a dude in the gut or slashing them, close range
Parry: Knife or machete parrying a special or perhaps a counter?
Tomahawk: Ranged throwing
Snare: Snaretrap to hold people in place or set them up

I have concerns about new characters copying older ones overmuch (you don't want to end up with a Jarek on your hands), tomahawk and bow being Nightwolf's primary thing and Jin also being an archer with his own magic trick arrows...

>>449844
Okay, howabout, the snare is the ex'd mine?

The bow and the two melee weapons could have normals.

I figured the bow shot would be towards the ground for a juggle

>>449844
Sounds good mostly, except that
>>449848
in hindsight, tomahawks are cool, but Nightwolf heavily used them. The knife of the bayonet would be better for our soldier of fortune.
Maybe caltrops, or a bolas? he is a hunter as well.

>>449848

Yes, of course that's always a concern, but as this is still a story-driven quest, the exact mechanics and their simularity is not necesarilly the greatest concern, if you know what I mean. At the end of the day, Special Moves are more like ideas and concepts to help guide the players for when they control the individual characters and actually get into combat, you know?

>>449862
Bolas can work.

>>449863
Well in storytelling terms, I think I prefer the idea of Fireseed being the team's sniper, hanging back with the rifle. Sticking a bayonet on it could be a cool weapon for him to favor when he does get into melee though.

>>449866
>>449862

Yeah, I like bolas, I can see it. I think the bayonet is a good idea, too.

So here's a refined list:

Bow (Popups perhaps)
Rifle
Mine
Sidearm
Bayonet
Bolas

>>449894
looks pretty good to me chief

>>449894

While we're at it and still refining the list, let's talk about skills and flaws. Here are some suggested by the chat:

Skills:
Sniper
Brutal
Tactical

Flaws:
Confrontational
Hard Drinker
Lone Wolf

I think we can give him a few more, since he's been operating for quite a while. I'd say he was born before the Invasion, and was a child during.

>>449922
Chat certainly knows what is it doing.
You think he does gambling too?
I'd figure that he is the patient kind. Patient like a predator sitting in the bush, but patient nonetheless,

>>449932

I forgot a few other things.

Skills:
Sniper
Brutal
Tactical
Patient
Land Navigation
Camouflage
Tracker

Flaws:
Confrontational
Hard Drinker
Lone Wolf

>>449922
Yeah patient works, another flaw could be potential PTSD or something

>>449942
grumpy maybe?

>>449942
Maybe something like mission only for a flaw? He focuses solely on the mission and other casualties dont matter as long as the mission is getting done?

>>449942
Trophy hunter? Bigger kill is better even tough it's not necessary and extra dangerous?

>>449942
Maybe for another flaw his tendency of being pragmatic and brutal could be off putting to his more idealistic teamates.

>>449946
>>449954
>>449962
>>449967

Alright.

Flaws:
Confrontational
Hard Drinker
Lone Wolf
Unsocial
PTSD
Trophy Hunter
Mission Only
Cynic

To balance it out, I added:

Trapmaking
Carving

To his skills. That makes 8 and 8.

>>449967
I like this a lot, could tie in to his tribal origin. Trophy hunting is something he carried over into his life as a mercenary.

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Alright, I'm a bit low-energy due to going to bed late last night and getting up early to see a shitty movie that wasn't really worth it, so I'll see you guys tomorrow.

When I return we will be proceeding with the characters, and I have a few other things lined up as well, it's not going to just be character design in this thread. I also plan on discussing details about the overall structure of the New Defenders arc itself and how it will go. You'll recall that I mentioned I wanted each episode to have its own protagonist from the team; that's why we're going so in-depth right now and digging into these characters a bit more. But more's coming, so stay tuned.

Goodnight, see you tomorrow.

>>450062
cool. gnight. D-man

>>450062
Goodnight boss

Morning folks. We'll be resuming in about an hour or so---I've got some things I need to take care of this morning before we get underway, so stay tuned.

>>451162
Alright, thanks for the heads up.

>>451162
staying tuned then

>>451162
Sounds good

Alright, I'm back. I've got some bios and special moves for characters on the document to write up yet, but we can continue with character building in the thread now.

Let's pick our next character, then:

Akayama Kaito
Cao Kahnzadeh
Sergeant Cassie Cage
Forrest Fox
Kung Jin
Kung Ling
Frost
Andela Vrbada, Codename Vapor

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>>451226
I have no strong feelings in one way or the other

1.Akayama Kaito
2.Cao Kahnzadeh
3.Sergeant Cassie Cage
4.Forrest Fox
5.Kung Jin
6.Kung Ling
7.Frost
8.Andela Vrbada, Codename Vapor

>>451226
Frost.

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>>451234

We could talk about Forrest. I've been wanting to delve a bit more deeply into ideas of what he could do, especially if we flesh him out as much as Takeda. Weapons, equipment, skills, etc.

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>>451236

Frost is nice too.

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>>451239
Am i seeing chains? Maybe he is a kusari-gama fan?

>>451242
Does frost have independent moves from the games, or they are just copy of Sub-Zero's powers?

>>451250
>Does frost have independent moves from the games, or they are just copy of Sub-Zero's powers?

Ground Freeze: Frost shoots the ground with her ice blast, freezing anyone who is standing in that area. (MK:DA, MK:U, MK:A)
Frosty Slide: Frost slides across the floor and trips the opponent if she comes in contact. (MK:DA, MK:U, MK:A)
Teleporting Uppercut: Frost disappears over one side of the screen and comes back from the other, uppercutting the opponent. This moves seems to be, ironically enough, adapted from Scorpion's Teleport Punch with a new twist. (MK:A)
Ice Puddle: Frost shoots the ground with her ice blast, creating a puddle that the opponent will begin to slip around on if nearby. (MK:A)

She was a little bit copied.

>>451250
>Am i seeing chains? Maybe he is a kusari-gama fan?

On that note, I was thinking along the lines of like a rope-dart or a chain-weapon like that one, paying a bit of homage to Scorpion.

>>451256
Sure about the rope-dart? Takeda and Scorpion has them too, so on one hand it fits into the Shirai Ryu' MO, on the other hand we already have plenty of them

>>451253
So we were thinking about AoE attacks for her.
How about "Whip-rain"?
She creates a whip made out of ice and overly huge spikes, and slings it around her head. Bathing a huge area around her in sharp ice-spikes.

>>451256
I like knife on a string as much as the next guy but I think a kusarigama could add a bit more diversity to moves

>>451256
Could do, maybe get a little more active with the chains and wrap up for "hold still and let me hit you?"
>inb4 Fox devolves...evolves into a direct Tundra rival due to Lin-Kuei/Shrairyu competitiveness.

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I've also been slightly infatuated with the idea of having claws on Fox. I don't think foxes are entirely known for being voracious clawed beasts or anything, but I just think that subtle claws are kind of underrated as far as characters go.

Could be on his fingers, his palms, coming from his knuckles.

What do you think?

>>451286
Yes.
Also works for extra grip on the chains as long as he watches his grip during a throw.
Locks in, you know.

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This is the only other picture I have of him.

>>451286
Oh I am liking that idea.
maybe they could be retractile for convenience.
Also, do you think he should have a similar devices in his boots?

>>451291
>Subtle claws
>in his first fight all the non-ninjas are confused why he just keeps open palm slapping folks in the face.

>>451292

Yeah, I'd like that. I think it would be neat if he could scale walls like they're nothing, perhaps even running up a wall if he had enough speed.

THIS IS SLIPKNOT, THE MAN WHO CAN CLIMB ANYTHING.
Sorry I just can't get over that shit

>>451290

That could work as well.

So, are we thinking a claw/chain combo?

>>451295
might be cool. On that note.
Drugging the sharp and/or pointy things with various plant toxins and combinations?
Y/N?

>>451301

That could be a thing. Perhaps Fox could be the team's poison specialist, preferring to work in subtle ways.

Thoughts?

>>451295
I'll always have Prince of Persia in mind when wall-running becomes involved.

claw/chain combo sounds awesome

>>451301
I am not sure. On one hand; it's cunning, something like a fox would do. On other hand, who knows how creatures of other realms might react to poisons.

>>451311
>>451304
>>451301
still if you guys are for it, then I don't mind

>>451311
One way to find out anon.

Consider it freelance pharma work. If it's that big of a deal he could stick to hallucinogens and just capitalize on disorientation.

Alright, let's talk about Fox's other gear.

Could he have a suit like Takeda's?

Or does he prefer going all-natural?

I just had a thought that, if he had a suit like Takeda's, perhaps it could focus on more subtle aspects, like a cloaking mechanism/active camo kind of thing.

Thoughts?

>>451325
I mean he could, there's the New Defenders backing to work with even if it's fairly uncommon for the Shirai Ryu.

So I suppose it comes down to his personality, which I am currently blanking on.

>>451319
well then. We'll need someone who knows antidotes on our side anyways.
Turana is no longer around to counter poisons anymore.

>>451325
Yes, sneaking suits the fox well. Maybe he could have Lockpicking and Security, as skills.

I am not sure about the suit, he feels more like an all-natural guy. Perhaps some devices, like the Stealh-boys from Fallout?

>>451331
FF probably knows how to counter his own stock at the very least if we're going POISONS with him.

Kaito can do water related healing, so there's that I suppose? Not sure how it would be for counteracting toxins though.

>>451328
>which I am currently blanking on.

I wanted to talk about that.

Fox is naturally friends with Takeda, they go back a long ways. I have always seen Fox as reserved, not entirely quiet, but not actively approaching others to make friends. I think he shares a few traits with Frost, but isn't as impulsive as she is. I think he may not trust people from other groups, as he has come to rely on the Shirai Ryu for most of his life.

To get an idea of his slightly cold, pragmatic, perhaps somewhat-emotionless view on others, refer to the chart in>>448829 and see how he sees the others.

>>451338
Ah, alright. Yes, then we might have some tech for cloaking or the like laying around, but Fox would understand that can fail I think.
He wouldn't typically rely on it.
Maybe a gadget or two on hand but traditional garb would be my vote.

>>451342
I feel like this is more fitting myself

>>451342
>>451343

Alright, I'm down with it. Natural clothing, natural style, natural poisons.

So, how do we feel about his primary weapon?

Should it be a Kusarigama like >>451250?

>>451343
>octocamo ninja suit cloth
>standard grey neutral setting because grey is a stealthy color and nobody bothers to double check it outside of "idk, another weirdo in his pajamas"

>>451345
I have no strong feeling one way or the other personally. Could be cool, if other people want to go for it I have no problems with it.
I don't hate him going for a scorpion homage either though.

>>451345
I think it's best, because it's still Shirai Ryu, but not the same as the originals who use dart.

Unless someone else really wants the rope-dart, or has a better chain-based weapon in mind?

>>451352
I mean it's not bad really, does kinda screw the range on the poisons...

>>451352
But hey, it's fine. Maybe he uses shuriken or something for a distance attack, or uses the chain to drag over and the blade to deliver.

Two pronged approach as it were. Possibly more.

>>451360

We could have poisoned Kunai.

Let's draft up some special moves, then, shall we?

>Chain-Trip, use the chain to trip the opponent
>Poison Kunai
>Claw-Grapple
>Get-Over-Here, but slashing them with the sickle afterwards

Any other ideas?

>>451366
Disarming with the chain? I think it was the major use of that weapon

>>451366
Smoke bomb "teleport" punch/kick/knee to the face?
Which is to say "SMOKE BOMB!" into a strike while they're distracted.

Also cool with "POCKET SAND" into haymaker.

>>451372
I'd argue that the smoke could also be drugged, but I suppose for working in groups being made of poisons would be a liability.

>>451366
Wrap the chain around their throats then teleport behind the to start choking them over his back

>>451366
Flip throw
Somehow get behind the enemy, maybe with a jump. Then get the chain around his neck, turns around, and slams the victim down on the other side.

>>451372
>>451377
>>451378

>Chain-Trip, use the chain to trip the opponent
>Poison Kunai
>Claw-Grapple
>Get-Over-Here, but slashing them with the sickle afterwards
>Smoke Bomb Stunner
>Chain Flip Throw
>Chain Choke

You know that shit that goes on in the movies with rope darts/rope weapons, where they wrap it around a person, then step on the rope to bring them closer? I think Fox could work with something like that