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The soft glow of your pulsating medical tanks glimmer against the polished stone of the murals covering the walls as your drones march forth with piles of equipment balanced atop their carapaces with care. Nutrient vats slowly grow as drones pile various forms of collected biomass into the digestion tanks for processing, the piping slowly growing the short distance to the medical tank as a number of Phantom priestesses look on from just outside, their minds a mixture of fear, jubilation, and confusion at the strange but overwhelming display of hive biotechnology, unaware and incapable of understanding the magnificent complexity of the medical procedures being performed upon the childless queen that has looked over their tribe for as long as their legends can say.

You realize, like the Ralighans, and despite the Barren Queen's efforts to stamp out such superstition, you are a god to these primitive creatures, and the tribe's spiritual and practical leaders have all gathered to watch you weave magic before them. They watch your drones with reverence, avoiding their paths while following closely behind any time they leave the Barren Queen's chamber as your drones ignore them as inconsequential to their orders. Several workers, while standing idle awaiting a new order, have even had a number of small talismans pinned to their bodies, hanging from antennae or stuck to the thorax with a waxy cream harvested from the secretions of a small beetle analog.

You do not recognize the details of their activities as having any form of practical application, but as the Barren Queen slips into your medical pod, the mountains echo with the sounds of their alien music and invocations of the spirits of ancestors and other mythological entities.

Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!

>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest
>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest
>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone
>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone
>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
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>>1305694
Woohoo HQQ!
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WOOOOO
Daily reminder.
>Raid OQ
>Read the locked memories of that thinker.
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL.
>Send a diplomacy team to earth.
>Build that new FTL prediction building.
>Take Reprive (I think that is the system that our mother made her last stand and it only has mining corvetts, it would be a great test for our raiding fleet.)
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>>1305706
dammit man
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>>1305716
And on that day I became as a god.
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Best day of the week is here!
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>>1305715
I completely agree with all of these ideas, let's get on them.
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>>1305694

So slight question here Alpha, (ya don't mind I call ya that?) On Djin the frozen thing that went bezerk is that related to the Beta quest? Because that queen is on a frozen planet and recently fought some sort of independent drone that had no psionic connection either.

So are the things related or is Beta copying your thunder?
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>>1305728
Beta quest is a cheep knockoff of HQQ, don't go getting them mixed up now.
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>>1305715
>Board a scav vessel for their FTL

But we already got our own FTL....
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>>1305735
But we can have MORE.
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>>1305735
This >>1305736
All the FTL will be ours.
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>>1305735
>not wanting to reverse engineer EVERYTHING
You don't even know how to play this quest, do you?
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>>1305694
The skyline of Path echoes with distant sirens as air traffic creates a moving starfield of lights against the overcast sky. Police and PDF forces remain on high alert as their lights flash along every street corner and at the entrance to every government building you can see.

Deep beneath the surface, in the labyrinth of drainage canals and service tunnels your clones sit up in their cots as the lights flicker on above, and Kent and his guards stand over them, he wears a large grin on his face, as if still struggling to subdue some joke he heard and still finds funny.

"So, I think now is a good time to have a quick talk about your employer, and why you were sent here." He says. "Tell me, real quick, where exactly is Lee right now?"

>Write in
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>>1305747
Someone remind me what's going on with this pls?
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>>1305747
You just saw him.

Too sarcastic maybe?

>>1305751
Rebel group that we could have used but became not important once the clusterfuck at nowhere occurred and the situation drastically changed
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>>1305747
"On Gemini, functioning as an ambassador."
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GAS THE SQUIDS
NUKE THE WHALES
STAB THE MONKEYS
TRUST NOTHING
THE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>1305715
There is no practical possibility of boarding a scav vessel until we construct those ships with harpoon launchers / boarding pods from the dedicated crunch thread, in which nothing like that actually got put to a vote as far as I can see.
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>>1305747
"He's on Gemini, duh. You saw him yourself."
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>>1305759
Some of those are impossible too.
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>>1305754
>>1305755
>>1305760
Uhhh.

DId our totally, one hundred percent human, agents there, get ANY internet access in the sewers?

They at best can say, last they heard, he was safely in hive custody.
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>>1305747
"Should be on Gemini right now."
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>>1305756
KILL THE CLOWN?!
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>>1305747
>Last we heard he was in Hive custody.
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>>1305764
Um yeah they saw the newsreport

We saw a snippent in the reactions of certain character to Lee reveal on that runway? And this guy was one of them, he woke up our drones by laughing
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>>1305764
I specifically remember Kent laughing when he saw Lee reveal his face when he got out of our shuttle.
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>>1305764
Our alibi could be that they went out at some point in time
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>>1305764
Please note the quality of the player suggestions has dropped significantly since the hiatus.
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>>1305771
>they saw the newsreport

No they didn't. They didn't have access to the TV. They were sleeping through it.

>>49200529
> Lightyears away, your clones wake up from their slumber in the makeshift barracks they have been provided. You hear laughter, a deep, almost wrenching laughter, as if moments from a coughing fit. The sound of a cane hitting the floor is followed by several medics rushing through the tunnels of the underground hideout as the laughing continues into bouts of coughing, and then more laughing.
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>>1305764
It's pretty obvious who our guys are working for (especially on account of their unusual cybernetics), this guy is not necessarily an enemy unless we try to fuck with him either.

So it's not unreasonable that they'd have some means of getting information from us that he couldn't detect, but isn't tachyonic. If that's what you're worried about.

>>1305747
"Should be somewhere around the Hive Embassy on Gemini, why do you ask?"
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So yeah they seen some of the implants, the know that theirs a lee on union prime since that was big news

So now he wants to talk to us,

Say our drones are just mercs and they can arrange a meeting with a speaker?
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>>1305782

Are they not connected to the psychic network right now? These are hybrids, I thought all hybrids had parasites
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>>1305765
This is probably the best answer.
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Time to make some friends
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>>1305785
>So it's not unreasonable that they'd have some means of getting information from us that he couldn't detect, but isn't tachyonic. If that's what you're worried about.

It is totally unreasonable though. They just got woke up from bed after the laughing fit that very night.

>your clones sit up in their cots as the lights flicker on above, and Kent and his guards stand over them, he wears a large grin on his face, as if still struggling to subdue some joke he heard and still finds funny.

Plus this is our chance to namedrop:

>>1305747
Last we knew, he was on Leeland.
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>>1305694
Hurray! Time for our new daughter!
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>>1305782
Ah, our hybrids haven't seen the news about the hive showing up, if they were to say Lee is in gemini right now they would reveal shit.
Apparently Kent is smarter than 90% of the union leadership.
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>>1305798
i second this.
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>>1305791
Yeah there connected, we still have a stealth pod in system with a relay

And do we still want that Q&A with the
reporters?

>>1305804
Good point,

Should just say wherever our employer wants him then
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>>1305747
Change mine to
"He's being kept safe in our custody, how the hell would i know what he's doing beyond that?"
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>>1305801
So what? Why would it be surprising that their employer (who is clearly the hive) told them beforehand that by the time they were inserted on Path, Lee would probably be on Gemini?

Saying he was on Leeland would be the more giveaway thing, because no one knew where he was at (on account of being in a gov't blacksite) until he showed up at Gemini a few days ago as our ambassador.
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>>1305747
>"Dark... nightclub. Throbbing music. Men's room. Men's room stall. Penis! Two penises! Ugh, so gay. Gay, so gay. But in all seriousness he should be on Gemini."
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>>1305747
He should be on Gemini now, in fact I believe he may be giving a speech to Parliament momentarily.

As to our employer, I hope you understand there is much we cannot talk about, and much we do not ourselves know. What do you wish to discuss?
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>>1305791
And? Do you want to explain all that to Kent or something?
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So should we ask Dillon if he knows this rebel groups and any intel he has on this Kent guy?
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But telling him that Lee is on Gemini would create holes in the narrative we are trying to weave.
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>>1305827
Yeah, we need these drones to pass as human after all

And really dont want to revel the mind control parasites to this guy
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>>1305824

That's a fair point, changing vote to

>>1305818
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>>1305804
That or it means that they were aware of the hives plan to open diplomatic discussion with the union.
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>>1305824
It's reasonable we have some way to communicate with our agents whether they be cybernetics either organic or mechanical in nature. For all Kent knows we just have a very well hidden ear-piece on our agents rather than a mind-controlling parasite.
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>>1305829
why not just kill him then?
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>>1305747
Disregard this one >>1305754
Support this one >>1305818

Forgot our shadowruns we had running
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>>1305832
Then what was the point of this meeting then?
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>>1305832
This too, so it's a choice between "i was told this might happen beforehand" or "I don't know"
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>>1305818
Thirding.
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>>1305836

Or some implant
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>>1305844
To investigate this faction and it's goals, they were the ones who tried to bust Lee from prison.
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His next question is probably how these guys ended up working for an alien bug queen who seems to give great implants.

What say? Pirates that tried to flee the Commonwealth into the Expanse, got an offer they couldn't refuse?

>>1305836
I dunno, if I had an underground rebel base I'd at least try to proof it against radio signals in case of moles.
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>>1305844
We were planing this meeting before the Fuckup at Nowhere and resulting Union contact

So it was something that got sidelined during the chaos and now we just can only do cleanup this loose end unless we can think of something they can do for us now
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>>1305854
Claim ignorance, why would agents know the mind of the alien they're working for? :^)
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>>1305836
>wanting to reveal shit like that
Are you retarded?
>>1305853
Then in that case.
>>1305818
Is better to go with.
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>>1305854
>His next question is probably how these guys ended up working for an alien bug queen who seems to give great implants.
>"Shouldn't you take me out on a date before you ask about my personal life?"
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>>1305854
Could be small quantum entangler devices. The details don't really matter, and it's easily explained by saying "Our employer told us they might have to take Lee to Gemini soon." Anons are making this a much bigger deal than it is.

>>1305818
I'll support this to get moving though.
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>>1305855
I mean we were probably planning to do hijinks using these guys against the union but now?

Im not sure what we can do with them given that Path is going to go thur spore hell and possible full "Thing" outbreak
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>>1305844
Less be real, the secret reason is just to feel out and learn about the Hackers on Steroids Lee shitposts with on the internet.

What we say to Kent though, dunno. Gotta make it something he'd want to hear. The queen needs human friends. You were friends of Lee. Lee was the first human friend to the hive. ??? Profit.
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>>1305747
"Well," one of your clones says "I would assume he'd be on Gemini by now."

"That would be an accurate assumption." Kent says back as a guard plants a chair behind him. He slowly lowers himself into the seat with a slight wince of pain. "In fact, it looks like he brought some friends along for the ride. Some rather powerful looking friends at that." He adds. "You know them much?" He looks at your clones for a moment before shaking his head quickly.

"Don't answer that, I'm just enjoying this. Sorry for waking you up at such a horrid hour but, alas, it's always primetime somewhere, and you can either keep up with politics, or keep up with your sleep schedule, rarely both." Kent leans on his cane with his one arm and rests his natural leg atop his cheap temporary prosthetic with a soft crunch of stained plastic. "But I would like you to tell me a few things first, and honestly. Who hired you, how did you get in touch with them, and where did you get those augs? Now before, I was able to pass those off as maybe some experimental Valen design. I hear they've been tinkering with some kind of artificial muscle tissue but I have yet to see them in action. Either that, or maybe something the Unity whipped up for its latest batch of madmen following in the enterprising footsteps of the last man to strike a deal with an AI." He seems to look off into the distance for just a moment. "I do regret having been unable to hire his services. We run in different circles. Anyways, now, I am starting to think you received those augs from a somewhat more unknown source, and I'd like to know the details of your encounter before we get started with any more in depth discussion." He eyes your clones, each one in turn, before he shrugs disarmingly.

"Please understand, you can still leave at any point, but if we are going to be working together, I need to trust my contacts." He pats the nub of shoulder beneath his sleeve. "I learned that lesson very well."

>Tell as much truth as possible (write in)
>Make up a story (write in)
>Other
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>>1305862
In politics every detail matters. So yes they will scrutinize everything we say and do.
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>>1305869
>Make up a story (pirates/mercs that were given an offer that cant be refused and then started to recive good payment that they kept doing work for us) aka lyle hiring

>Other include the location of a bug spacestation or free port that tech and stuff can be traded
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>>1305869
So we need to avoid mentioning Nowhere at all.
>>1305880
>>Other include the location of a bug spacestation or free port that tech and stuff can be traded
We don't have one set up yet and QD is still working on the crunch genius.
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>Tell the Truth or as much as we can. Be nut, be honest and give as much pertinent info as possible
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>>1305869
Does Lyle know this guy?
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>>1305891
It could just be a space ship orbiting a plant or something not like we have to be high tech or professional
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>>1305896
The protagonist is Lyle isn't?
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>>1305869
Say that they were recruited via someone else who might have been a middle man for the hive. Make a few guess that are true and a few that arnt to make it seem more credible. We wont be able to hide the connection, so just claim that the connection isnt that close.
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>>1305893
I don't know about you but more then 50% of the information you'd be offering them would include pod people, parasites, and psionics. We want to avoid that shit.
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>>1305869
This >>1305904
+"some of us were homeless bums living in the sewer when we got offered a new life."
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>>1305869
>>Tell as much truth as possible (write in)
Keep to the basics, and ask that he not broadcast that he has any sort of contact with us.

He could be useful in the near future, we're likely going to be in charge of humans soon and we have absolutely no idea how to govern them, he could be useful for advice in this respect. As good as "just live as you were before" sounds I have a strong feeling that won't cut it and we have no idea how to govern things that we cannot talk to directly.
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>>1305908
Thats why we give them a few nuggets of truth, but nothing more then a bunch of mercs hired by a middle man could figure out.
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>>1305869
>>1305904
Second'n.
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>>1305869
Okay, what is as unfalsifiable as possible?

Lyle hired some people at Mars to come with him, but these guys are clearly different from those guys. Must've changed their faces too.

And these guys' history can be tracked back to Gemini, but no further.

Have to guess how far Kent's info gathering goes.

Yet not reveal the existence of a sewer hive on Gemini that gives augs, among other things.

I guess you could say they were on a mission to capture bugger specimens, and failed. But got offered freedom, augs, etc to go off into human space to find Lee.

Implicitly, this was with Lyle, we don't need to drop him by name.

They split up, another team ultimately found Lee. We remained behind, while remaining under contract for new orders...and we got them, to come visit Path to make friends, while apparently Lee was on diplomacy duty.
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>>1305911
Mercs are a better cover. Mercs might be trusted to leak some info on there clients, a bunch of people who now owe their lives to their clients are less likely to be trusted by these guys.
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>>1305869
>Tell as much truth as possible
"To be honest, I'm not really sure how I met the bugs. Can't remember past waking up in one of their medical tanks. They've treated me well since then though. They make efforts to make their accommodations as amenable to visitors as possible, but we were unfortunately not allowed to leave. On account of possible information leaks.

Then they offered me these augs, combat training, and a chance to work for them that would let me off planet in advance. Otherwise I'd have to wait til first contact, information security you see. I didn't have shit for memories, didn't have anything better to do, and so I took them up on it.

I could've been a pirate before, or a stranded motherfucker on their planet, cowering in the dirt. Now I've got a purpose and someone who's got my back, it's good enough for me. There are some others who didn't take up the offer, I wonder if they'll be free to go now that contact's been initiated. Either way, it's of no concern to me.

Any other questions?"
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>>1305869
>Mercenaries contacted by another mercenary/mysterious third party who had the line on an employer with lucrative contracts and a great health plan
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>>1305918
It can't be via middleman if we have to answer where they got those augs, which is increasingly obvious they are of alien design. Did you forget that part of the question?

I mean random mercs don't submit to surgery by unknown bio technology at random, do they.
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>>1305916
Theseus would gladly teach us in exchange for any data we gather on them.
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>>1305931
Damn it, meant to also quote >>1305820
for pic related.
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>>1305927
I recall one of our hybrids is a survivor type with a bunch of duck tape in his pockets and i though admitting to him that he used to be a bum might impress him.
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>>1305869
>>1305904
Going to back this.
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>>1305880
Seconding
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>>1305904
>>1305953
How did they get hive augs if they didn't meet the hive directly?
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>>1305869
>Tell as much truth as possible (write in)
Our ship crashed on one of their planets. (Fact because they have the crew aboard the ship that crashed in our planet.) They explained they couldn't take us home because Union did some stupid, something about putting a satellite with hukes on the orbit of one of their colonies in a spore planet(also true). We were detained but not unharmed we did tried to escape but they are giant bugs and one of then was almost this room size so we weren't suicidal at that moment. Then some bullshit happend and they came with a offer, we would work as some mercs giving information about human politics and about something the Union found on the expanse and were doing some stupid experiments. Now that i think about it they only started to talk to us around the time that attemp to a Union and Commonweatlh metting accoured (This will give the impression we only started to notice humanity after Union started to fuck with crystals).
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>>1305926
>I guess you could say they were on a mission to capture bugger specimens, and failed. But got offered freedom, augs, etc to go off into human space to find Lee.

I'm liking this one, mixed maybe with >>1305928 but not including the amnesia backstory.

>Merc sent to poach some bugs
>Shit went bad
>Wake up in medical tank
>Offered new job
>I ain't got nothing better to do
>Give me augs, get sent on job

Could get in touch with them on your behalf if you want.
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>>1305955
They didn't meet the hive directly at first, a few jobs later and they got offered sweet augs.
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>>1305944
That would actually be awesome, voting for this
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>>1305955
A discreet middle man that deals with the source directly. We were planning on selling our augs at some point anyway, it makes sense.
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>>1305931
>>1305904
Backing this general idea
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>>1305880
There's no bug station 13 yet.
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The more I read through all the posts the more I realize there is no good response for this situation.
The only way they could be completely unfalsifiable is if they came from Nowhere.
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>>1305880
Actually voting for this
>>1305972
Yea but there will be, and we want publicity
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>>1305957
>We only started to notice humanity after the union started to fuck with crystals.
>Even though they put a satellite filled with nukes on orbit of one of our "colonies" earlier.
Not to mention we don't know how long the union have been fucking with the crystals.
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>>1305969
>selling Augsburg
No we aren't.
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>>1305904
>someone else who might have been a middle man for the hive. Make a few guess that are true and a few that arnt to make it seem more credible. We wont be able to hide the connection, so just claim that the connection isnt that close.

But then they do know what the plan was for Lee to be on Gemini.

It kinda has to be a close connection, if they're in the loop on the Lee plan. Although maybe they started out as through a middleman, but ended up paid directly by hive now.
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>>1305979
I think we're only planing to sell cheap downgraded versions, not the "I can lift a car" ones.
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>>1305975
Never put your horse before your carriage anon. Wait until we set it up.
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>>1305931
>>1305918
If you want this guy to be straight with us we're gonna need to be straighter than this with him. He'll see through that load of crap in a heartbeat, mercs don't tank shotgun blasts to the chest willingly. Augs or not.
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>>1305986
You're not my real dad, you cant tell me what to do, Im gonna go tell humans about bug atlantis and you cant stop me! And then Im going to invade the Space whale homeworld, and make them slaves, AND I DONT EVEN CARE IF YOU GET MAD. UGH.
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>>1305869
Make up a story:

We were hired by a mercenary called Lyle Rogers to do a few jobs for one of his mysterious employers in exchange for some rather powerful cybernetics. Eventually we came into contact with Lyle's "employers" and began working for them directly.
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>>1305869
Although, I mean, does knowing your contact's backstory actually inspire trust?
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>>1305959
I like this. Seconding.
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>>1305991
I'll vote for that over "Some middleman!" anyday.
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>>1305976
Yeah i can see the flaw. But i was thinking that the nuke planting could be viewed as a "Well those guys aren't friendly at all, fortunantly they aren't so advance so they aren't a big problem. Let's avoid then and take care of the void gods and the traitorous queen." Then when humans started to fuck with crystals, by using theyr tech to make a invisible ship, we started to infiltrate then and when shit hit the fan real hard they forced us to reveal ourselfs.
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>>1305995
>"Well those guys aren't friendly at all, fortunantly they aren't so advance so they aren't a big problem. Let's avoid then and take care of the void gods and the traitorous queen."
I'd prefer if the satellite nuke was what attracted our attention and the latest union void fuckery is what attracted our interest/anger.
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>>1305991
Where were those cybernetics installed? In the medtank on the Hel's Angel? I guess they'd have to be pre-grown.
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>>1305991
Hell yea
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>>1305957
Just say that its a cultural thing. That we figure the best way to figure out a new race or polity's intentions is to let them think they have the advantage. Humanity failed most impressively.
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>>1306001
Well that is actually a much better idea.
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>>1305991
Actually I'll switch to this.
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>QD trying to count the votes like
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>>1306013
Well actually we isolate one of their individuals then interrogate them to figure out their race's intentions. So far it has been pretty reliable.
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>>1305991
Lyle doesn't seem like the type to subcontract work. Whoever our middleman was could have brought them in contact with Lyle, but Lyle hiring directly?
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>>1305991
Looks good to me.
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>>1306032
>Lyle doesn't seem like the type to subcontract work.
He hired on extra crew on his original mission. Call it not so much subcontracting as getting hired help.
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>>1306032
But didn't Lyle hire mercenaries directly when he originally attacked the hive? I'm pretty sure that was definitely Lyle doing the hiring and not his big shadowy boss.
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>>1305991
The only trouble we have with just about any mercenary backstory is that there won't be any records of the advertising of a job looking for mercs. There'll be no one who saw the job offer and declined, and no one who got refused.
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>>1306031
Well yes, but then we don't get an excuse to mock union politicians
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Quick questions does anyone know how many light years/hexagons the blink drive travels?
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>>1306031
Butif we say that we don't get the chance to be checky!!
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>>1306041
Black ops para-military mercenary groups working under the table for illegal augments don't exactly post on future-Craigslist. I'm not sure why we need a "record" here.
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>>1306058
Our drive has no limit in distance but it get less accurate after 5 i think
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>>1306058
As many as we want but it's safe range is 5 light years though it increases with better and more sensors.
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>>1306030
I can hardly keep up sometimes in my own quest, don't know how he does it
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>>1306066
I dunno, anon has a point. Where ever these folks DO post their job listings this guy undoubtedly has a tap into that network.

Which is why I feel this: >>1305959 is a better option, because it allows him to piece together whatever details he pleases on specifics. There's nothing to check our factuality against, but it's sufficiently frank that it comes across as truth. So he'll just wait to see how we operate to decide whether he trusts us or not.
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>http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone
>Hive technology

"...drops the drone at, or at least close to, the target destination. Extremely complex calculations are required to perform an accurate blink maneuver, and even the smallest miscalculation could result in overshooting the target by many light-years, or even appearing within the target planet or star itself. At least one thinker is needed to calculate a blink maneuver, and extensive sensor systems are required to safely plot a course. More thinkers or higher quality sensors will increase the range,while dense star clusters and high levels of gravitation will hinder it."

>" More thinkers or higher quality sensors will increase the range,while dense star clusters and high levels of gravitation will hinder it."

It depends of the system and the amount of thinkers working on the jump calculation.
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>>1306091
Opd forgot to quote
>>1306058
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>>1306068
>>1306073
Thanks.
Also i spotted a contradiction on the rip/micro rip drive descriptions.
>Rip drive
however the range itself is limited to fifteen light years per jump for a one-sided jump
>Micro Rip drove
Range has also suffered slightly due to the reduction in size compared to a ship using it as its main drive, allowing a ship to target its spacetime tear to any location within five light years, roughly HALF that of a full sized drive.
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>>1306091
And sensors. If we had gravity sensors in every hex on the map we could conceivably blink, in one jump, from end of the map to the other.
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>>1306091
I read that but it doesn't specify it's standard/ideal light year range.
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>>1306091
I think the 'more Thinkers' part must be retconned now that we have a drone population of "ALL OF THEM."
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>>1306107
Yeah i noticed it. But i would rather have more threads then forcing QD work on the paste bins.
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>>1305959
I'll back this. This is what we did to Lyle, it's functionally untraceable, and simple.
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>>1306117
I agree.
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>>1305869
"We were hired through our contacts." Your clone says. "Someone was offering high end gear and major perks for a long term merc contract. A few of us figured it was a Unity contact too, but turned out it was a bit more alien then that."

"And who was this contact?" Kent asks. "It wasn't Lyle himself?" One of your clones shrugs.

"We never dealt very close with the guy. I wouldn't know." Kent leans in with his cane.

"It doesn't matter how close you are." He says. "If you're working with Lyle Rogers, you know. Now it isn't unknown to me that he was hired for an expedition to the Expanse after a Union ship went missing, after the first one went missing anyway, and then he went missing before I get a call from a contact saying he was selling razor trout at a port over Mars, and I know he was never at Huron. He was fresh from the Expanse." Your clone Bartholomew lets out a short grunt before interrupting.

"I thought you ran in different circles." He says, Kent's face becomes more serious, the slight humor quickly dissipating.

"He's hired by anyone and everyone, and if he gets the job to kill me." He says flatly. "I need to know. He's a hard man to track, likely because he knows so many try to track him. I often wonder if it's more devastating for the Union to employ him, or send one of their tin men. I've dealt with the tin men before, but so has he."

"So maybe we were? So what?" Another clone asks.

"So, maybe you were hired by one of the most dangerous men in all of known space, but you're not sure?" Kent says. "Now, I know he brought back alien life from his expedition. I have contacts in Olympus shipyards who were involved in the exchange, and I know the lab they were transferred to was never public knowledge, and was nuked soon after." He points to your clone as he speaks, adding a bit of emphasis on each new statement. "I make sure to keep a very close eye on what the Union does outside the public view, especially if it involves them hiring mercs. So, before this, I was still in the dark on a lot of things, but now I think it's starting to come together. I just need to know why? Did he actually kidnap an alien species, and if so, how is he now working for them? Unless it was all deliberate, a part of some kind of test, or as a method of probing humanity's capabilities." Your clones glance at each other in some mild confusion.

>Claim to be working with Lyle
>Deny any affiliation with Lyle
>Other
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>>1306090

Well, I think Lyle would probably have personal contacts he has picked up over his career. I don't really see how records of mercenaries would be more available for some guys sent to poach bugs than otherwise.

At the same time, though, you make a good point that this guy has serious underground ties and I actually really liked the story you linked.

I'm changing my vote to support.
>>1305959
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>>1306128
Supporting
>>1305959
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>>1306128
>Deny any affiliation with Lyle

We killed all of the mercs that came with lyle
And if he knew what lyle was doing then he probably knows what mercs went with lyle
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>>1306128
>Unless it was all deliberate, a part of some kind of test, or as a method of probing humanity's capabilities.
>Other
"Both, they don't like being poached."
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>>1306145
What does that mean.

Now were these mercs hired before or after Lyle delivered buggers into Union scientist hands, is the real question. If before, then they might know that the hive did sell some of their own drones to the Union for credits, via Lyle.
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Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>1306151
I'll support that.
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>>1306128
>>Other
"You don't get that sort of info without trust first. We can tell you Lyle is working for our employer and isn't going after you. Isn't that enough?"
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>>1306128
We didn't sen our original flash clones to Path right?
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>>1306151
Support that answer for that question
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>>1306128
>Deny overt affiliation with lyle.
seriously we are mercs right? we follow the dollar signs and we aren't Lyle tire, without the new augs we would be pretty much just thugs with slug throwers working for a PMC.
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Dam this guys is super paranoid. I like him.
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>>1306162
This is as good as it'll get.
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>>1306151
The real problem is that the Union would try again and again until they got their hands on drones, so at least this way they got a cut of Lyle's profits.

I'm really not sure if these guys should even know this much about the hive's motives though.
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>>1306151
Just dont make it sound that personal. Make it sound as if its common sense and less like they told us directly
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>>1306173
Has to be given what the union cia is like
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>>1306151
supporting
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>>1306128
Supporting
>>1306151
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>>1306128
Supporting >>1306162
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>>1306173
Really putting Jacks paid brainiacs to shame.
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>>1306178
>Make it sound as if its common sense.
No one likes being poached.
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>>1306199
Jacks?
Term for Union?
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>>1306162
This and >>1306151

"Oh, the lab was nuked? The eggheads in the labs didn't know what they were getting is my guess. Those bugs are pretty clever."
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>>1306148
So these are other mercs that had to be hired later than that Mars recruiting.

>>1306162
Well that or, the boss doesn't always explain everything to hired help.
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>>1306206
Now now, no need to feed his paranoia that much.
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>>1306204
Jack Windsor. Have you not checked the wiki?
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>>1306204
Jack is one of the secretary council's member, he's in charge of intelligence.
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>>1306206
Ad in unless you kill the thinker. Then the workers go into a berserk rage.
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>>1306128
>Other
" honestly we don't we didn't meet with our implore and they didn't want to meet with us we went to the place they asked us to and next thing we knew we were on Gemini with new agus new identies and a message that wiped it self after we read it. If lyles working for them he may as well have hired us but we never meet the guy
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>>1306128
>>1306151
Yeah, I'll support this.

If we claim association with Lyle we need to have a reason why we're not on this guys radar if he keeps track of Lyle. Maybe we can claim to be former Commonwealth freelancers that have mostly been working in that end of space?
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>>1306225
No. Bad anon.
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>>1306220
This guy should be in it's place. At least he seems clever then Jack.
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>>1306230
We can use the "I know a guy who knows Lyle" excuse, i.e. our flash clones we sent to help Lyle and set up the sewer hive.
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>>1306231
why? IT would explain why the drones started killing everyone in the lab. Also i'm starting to suspect the tech girl might have survived the purge our drones made to the facility and she is now working for him.
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>>1306232
But then the union would be an actual threat rather than threat by repeated fuckups.
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>>1306243
>survived a worker blade to the chest
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>>1306243
We never talk about the thinkers or queen if we can help it
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>>1306243
>Also i'm starting to suspect the tech girl might have survived the purge our drones made to the facility and she is now working for him.
You mean the one we killed? With a worker blade to the chest?
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>>1306243
Why explain shit? They don't need to be told anything anon and certain not from our clones.
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>>1306248
Humans have survived worse I think you might have meet the nuclear strike
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>>1306248
>survived a worker blade to the chest.

And then a fire...

and then a nuke...
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>>1306259
And union black ops cleaning crew
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>>1306255
this. seriously we are trying to make it look like these guys are mook hirelings not integrated hive members.
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>>1306248
I didn't remembered she was pierced by a blade. Doesn't stop form him having anyone else from it on his group. Since the commander of the facility in the planet was from that lab.

>inb4 all survives of that incident are on Tokyo
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>>1306251
I was saying about the SPEAKER anon. Not the thinkers. If something it will make people think twice before attacking a speaker.
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>>1306270
Just give up on it anon. These guys are terrorists any so telling them that might encourage them too.
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>>1306277
Okay.
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>>1306128
"Both." Your clone James says. "Seems like an obvious way to get the Union to piss off, I'd say. And Lyle didn't hire us, but sure, he's working for our employer, and he doesn't give a damn about you. Any more details like that is gonna need some reciprocated trust. It's not good for business to talk about your employers." Kent sits still for some time, eyeing your clones one by one until he stands up with some effort, a guard helping him to his feet. He flips open his wide rim mirrored glasses and nudges them on with his one hand, the faint image of some holo-display flashing from the inside of the lenses as he fumbles with them in his hand.

"Fair enough." He says, his grin growing again ever so slightly. "I think there's enough here to at least start building something of a working relationship."

"Alright, so what now?" Your clone asks, Kent begins to turn around as he hobbles to the door. He looks back at the bunks.

"You tell me. You're the ones managing the first contact, and I am very much enjoying the show your employers have been putting on so far. They certainly have the Union by the balls. I'd love to help twist the knife, to be honest. I apologize for interrupting your rest."

"Don't worry. You learn to sleep when you can." A clone says, your others nodding as they stand up from their cots.

"Good, good. Then if it's all the same to your employers, I could use some help with a few things."

>Make a request of David's organization (write in)
>Offer assistance in his activities
>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)
>Other

Is anyone else having issues with captcha tonight?
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>>1306294
Could they extract the remaining stuff on Djinn or would it be better if drones went instead of overly curious humans?
Captcha is working fine for me.
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>>1306294
>Request an exchange of intelligence
We can trade the newest upcoming Union Science catastrophe for something, what do other anons think?
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>>1306294
>Kent sits still for some time, eyeing your clones one by one until he stands up with some effort, a guard helping him to his feet. He flips open his wide rim mirrored glasses and nudges them on with his one hand, the faint image of some holo-display flashing from the inside of the lenses as he fumbles with them in his hand.

Was he trying to use a lie detector program on their faces?

>>1306294
>>Other
Reaching high shelves?

Clearly this guy needs a new hive provided arm.
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>>1306294
>Request an exchange of intelligence
Going ons on path right now? Research labs? Private corp research? high rank officials etc
Thoughts on the battle in space

>Other Offer to arrange a meeting with a speaker in a neutral place? or valen port?
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>>1306309
>Request an exchange of intelligence
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>>1306294
Would request a intelligence gathering from the lab on the planet be a good or a bad thing to do?
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>>1306309
Let's not offer that speaker meetup just yet, we just said "Any more details like that is gonna need some reciprocated trust. It's not good for business to talk about your employers."
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>>1306306
>>1306309
Let's first get some FREE intelligence on this guy by seeing what he even wants, though.

And maybe see if an opportunity to adopt him comes up later.
>>1306294
>>Offer assistance in his activities
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>>1306294
>>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)
Our employer feels it necessary to keep an eye on Path, we can use any intel of any sort about events happening on the streets of Path.
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>>1306308
>Reaching high shelves?
lol

I do wonder if he's interested in a new leg and arm and spine-buddy
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>>1306328
He's too paranoid for that spine buddy offer, we're going to have to think that through.
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>>1306335
That's why you sneak it in while installing the second heart, duh.
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>>1306319
Don't say like that anon. Let the paranoid human think that there is no hive influence on the planet. It will make even better when the BQ's spore come and make shit up on it.

>>1306328
We can offer it as payement.
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>>1306294
Ask Kent how's Alder's doing and if he anything about what's happening on Talgo?
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>>1306294
>>Offer assistance in his activities
We're making the initial contact, let's get things started on the right foot. Maybe mention that if he interested, we could fix that limp.
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>>1306343
Nah i don't think he would apreciate it. Let lay down on the assimilation thing. Also they aren't parasites they are symbiots!!
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>>1306294
>Offer assistance in his activities. and do a piss poor job of actually helping out.
If we were having trouble strong arming the Union this guy would be useful, and I think we can use him later as a net to snag entrenched resistance, but his methods, motives, and objectives, as we know them so far, are pretty solidly counter to our own.

We want to build a unified front against the void. He wants every individual planetary or solar entity to operate independently.
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>>1306353
He can't unappreciate what he doesn't know.
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>>1306294
>Offer assistance in his activities
>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)

You said you want the Expanse to be free from Union influence; our employer wants the same. It is ancient alien territory - or so they claim - and contains many extremely dangerous artifacts. We do not know the specifics, but according to our "employers" the Union, in their greed and arrogance, have been experimenting on them in ways that could doom us all.

The Hive believes that the galaxy will be safer if Union meddling is contained, and I believe in pursuit of that aim our goals may have some alignment. Perhaps we can work together towards this goal in the future.

However, we are mere agents of this greater organization and cannot speak for it ourselves. Perhaps you would like to speak to a representative of the hive itself, or send one of you agents to speak with one of theirs?


>Is anyone else having issues with captcha tonight?
Yeah, I'm having some problems. It banned my desktop for using a VPN (I'm not), so I had to switch to my laptop.
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>>1306354
They actually aren't as much as you think. We don't actually want or need a strong Union or human empire in general.
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>>1306359
Seconding
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>>1306354
The void literally cannot be defeated by any coalition no matter how large, unless every single ship is 6 kilometers long and equipped with a psionic cannon.

Mundane brute force can't even dent them. And we can't let humans engage the OQ, their proxy, because that risks an enemy hive reverse engineering human tech.
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>>1306354
Not all of them, just the "Humanity must expand" bit for me.
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>>1306359
tHIRDING
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>>1306294
>Offer assistance in his activities
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>>1306359
No pitching from from mercs
They get this pitch from a speaker for it to be legit
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>>1306359
Something like this, but dont make it sound so...un-merc like. It sounds like its coming from the Hive and not some hired guns looking for a few energy credits.
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>>1306368
Yeah let's not. That's big picture stuff.
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>>1306359
No, this dialogue is filled with "I know more than i let on"
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>>1306363
the void cant, but we can. If we let the factions be fractured then the more opportunity for nowhere like events occurring without a clear situation. just as we are popping parasites into people the void could just as easily me crystallizing brain matter. Its in our best interest from a defensive standpoint to unify.
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>>1306377
Thats what I was saying. It makes them sound like agents of the hive instead of contractors.
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>>1306294
>Offer assistance in his activities
The path to free intel.
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>>1306383
Or take them over. Which would be better than any of the other options.
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>>1306383
>the more opportunity for nowhere like events occurring without a clear situation.
Can you try saying something that makes sense instead of whatever bullshit that was.

The Tartarus reactor is a fairly unique confluence of events, and the enemy won't have to repeat it with humans. The Ceph will just try to reproduce it themselves.
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Why did we even send these guys here? I don't remember, it's been about a year.
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>>1306409
Because we wanted to know more about the guys who tried to bust Lee out of prison.
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>>1306409
They have any employer that wants Lee and I'm assuming this employer is Alder.
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>>1306412
I thought Kent was the guy who want's Lee, who's Alder?
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Oh i have being thinking on something, that has nothing to do with the current discussion. What are the chances that the grey Ceph being crystal sleeping agents?
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>>1306412
Oh yeah sure, the Greens run a terrorist organization. Tory pls go.
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>>1306418
The green lady that killing wanted dead on that station
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>>1306423
Why not can you honestly say that politicians in the union wouldn't be willing to fund a few terrorist cells
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>>1306426
Ah, she's obviously not connected to this group.
How is she doing btw QD?
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>>1306432
Yes I'm so sure a representative elected to interplanetary Parliament would fund a guy who wants interplanetary governance abolished and thus to remove them from power.
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>>1306409
This guy tried to grab Lee to use him as a inspiration to Human-Xeno groups but the Union actually used him as a escape got for the terror attack that "killed" Lee. He might be trying to get back at Union for tricking him, so finding Lee would be a good way to clean him from this incident and there was also that intel Lee had from "his friends" from the internet.

So in a disguise to try and find out who this guy was and what he wanted with Lee and avoid any Union intelligence trap. We sended our agents to meet with him.
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>>1306440
As long as the terrorist is never successful in abolishing the government he's a great scapegoat for all sorts of things.
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>>1306440
Always a need for deniable assets to do the dirty work

But yeah i agree this guy wouldn't work with the greens
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>>1306294
>>Request an exchange of intelligence (write in)
Nothing is specific comes to mind, but intelligence exchange is pretty much the basis of all of our current alliances.
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>>1306465
Well with our race being the way it is nothing anyone else has would be interesting or worthwhile. Aside planets that is
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>>1306369
Yeah, I agree it needs some work. We need to make them sound a bit less interested in the politics of it. I still thinking asking them to meet with a speaker if they want to do real political negotiation is the way to go rather than have it be with middle men. Of course, it would look bad if the Hive were to be exposed funding terrorists... so we'd have to be careful not to get caught.
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>>1306465
There's nothing specific we want to know that he'd have access to, and we probably don't want to reveal how good our already existing information gathering network is in human space, which is the only place he'd want intelligence from.
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Talking to Deepsong Valen when?
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>>1306531
Soon. Also i think we should send the Valen some kind of exotic fish. Wasn't that really dangerous Trout considered to be a exotic food? Let's send perfectly preserved eggs of the thing, so it won't hatch by accident on it's way to the Valen, as a gift for the honey.
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>>1306465

Hey, hang on guys, we might be able to get them to help with the escape from the Valen Lyle and Co are working on. We need plausible deniability for human agents for that, right?

The only problems are that our clones already said they aren't working with Lyle and that this guy is paranoid enough he might be able to figure out we have the union compromised if we're trying to get allegedly Union agents released/escaped. And if he figures it out the Union might be able to too.
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>>1306294
>Offer assistance in his activities
Why not help them out to earn some trust?

>Other
Offer to arrange some kind of meeting with the Hive, or as close as these guys can get.
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>>1306541
Did you not read what I said? DEEPSONG NOT GEMINI.
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>>1306531
Them lyle bank right?
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>>1306541
Huronese Razor Trout is a common food staple for them.
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>>1306557
Deepsong is where we're selling the reactors. The Valen there will be asking some interesting questions.
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If our attemp to take the expanse by political means fail we can always back this guy up in the future.
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>>1306558
Oh. Then forget about it then.
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>>1306294
"Well as far as helping out, all we know is they have plans in the expanse that don't involve the Union." Your clone says. "I'm sure they'd appreciate anything you can do to help make things go more smoothly. They seem to be more than fond of a lot of those archeological finds out in the Expanse, I think the place is an old stomping ground of theirs, so, I guess just help get the Union out of the ancient bug burial grounds before they start haunting the place."

"I figured something like that." Kent says. "Either that or a more straightforward issue of two parties calling dibs on the region at the same time." Your clones follow as Kent makes his way to the cramped and odd smelling control room of the base. Like the rest of the place, it smells faintly of chemical laden rainwater with the occasional whiff of something far more foul, although the room also smelled of burnt rubber and fried hair, with the distinct but faint scent of spoilt meat. You begin to question their professionalism until a taidaren pokes its head from a conduit. It twitches its head frantically, shaking for a moment as if cold. Several of its whiskers simmer as it pulls out some manner of alien rodent-like creature from the depths of the wiring, its fur covered body burnt and smoking.

"When you find those things jaw-locked on the power cables you shouldn't try to eat it yourself." Kent says, the taidaren nods awkwardly, the head motion an unnatural but learned mannerism.

"Yes." He squeaks "Good advice, yes." Another two climb out of the conduits over the first one after another.

"Humans have good saying: Second mouse get's cheese."
"First get's trap!"
"We fix conduits!" They begin chirping in unison after all three have emerged from the service opening, their collective stench quickly filling the room with the smells that previously were held at bay.

"Above humans keep changing channels."
"We too clever! We change channels too!"
"Use new cables, swap with old, yes!"
"Under-humans can watch above humans do more human things."
"Boring things, yes."
"Yes!"
"Mostly."

They notice your clones and they swirl around each other, as if fighting to avoid being the one standing closest to them.

"Who is new humans?"
"Smell like above humans!"
"Too clean to trust!"
The three hiss at once. Kent lets out a harsh whistle and several clicks as he speaks over them, mixing pathian with some colloquial taidaren dialect for emphasis.

"Bad and rude! These are my guests. I invited them here on a matter of business. Behave as if the matron watches. Keep away and help." He turns to your clones. "These three are Whiphik. They're excellent electricians, despite themselves more often than not, but they tend to blunder their way to greatness. Let them know if you need any help."

cont.
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>>1306566
I think we may have our claws full with Path tonight.

>>1306558
>expensive fish from human planet
>food staple
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>>1306581
Okay, a staple for the wealthy ones
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>>1306576
He has Tal comic relief?

This guy is awesome
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>>1306576
>"Either that or a more straightforward issue of two parties calling dibs on the region at the same time."

How is this guy not a intelligence agent!!Fuck Union would be scary if this guy was helping then..
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>>1306585
A.K.A most valen we'll be interacting with.
How about that Leeland crab creature as a gift?
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>>1306590
>tfw to intelligent for the Union
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>>1306595
That was one of the organisms I was going to suggest cloning for export to the Valen actually
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>>1306590
That's just basic logical deduction on his part, anybody seeing what's going on in the Expanse would have made a similar conclusion.
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>>1306576
>taidaren
these guys are great. If this is the same planet that we've been "trading" the taidarens spine-pals though, I wonder if word has leaked back to this guy about that trade yet.
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>>1306576
The Gemini Taidaren matron has to be adopted by now, right? Parasites install pretty fast.
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>>1306604
The Union haven't come to this conclusion what does this tell us about then?
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>>1306590
Well, he could possibly be a former intelligence agent who was dis-enchanted with Union corruption and the like.

Or he may not necessarily even be a "former" agent. The Union does love its black ops and false-flag operations... I think that's very unlikely, though.
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>>1306607
That would be on Gemini, these are Pathian Taidaren
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>>1306610
Of course the Union realizes we are about to exert our claims over the expanse. We told them so. To their face. After flying an entire massed armada over Gemini.
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>>1306610
They did, it just we scared the everloving shit out of them when the commonwealth is invading and them seeing the first sign of void god
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>>1306607
I don't think so. The planet we are trading with the Taidaren is in Gemmini.
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Would to love to see one of inner cabal meeting going on in the union right now

Must be a neverending series of
PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC

Given all the things that happened to the union so quickly
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>>1306621
I still think adopting the Taidaren population of Gemini was a great idea and we haven't utilized them to their fullest extent.

If we ever go to war with the Union they will make life on Gemini hell with all the sabotage they could do
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>>1306628
That's why I'm pissed we sent off Michael on that goose chase that nothing came out of. Could you imagine seeing Killinger's reaction the last 20 threads or so?
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>>1306635
We never saw this shit coming anon.
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>>1306639
No one could fuck up this bad...except for the Union.
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>>1306639
Yeah, but even if we didn't completely flip the table on the Union that would have been an invaluable source of intel and insight into the council decision making process. Instead we squandered Michaels value as an agent by sending him on a mission he would fail in the ass end of the expanse. If I had any idea the mission would have lasted half as long as it did, I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for it at the time.
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>>1306649
we could have meet Void cultist skyl when we found that ship in Tannhauser and we wouldn't have screwed up as bad as the union.
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>>1306635
Commonwealth war :
No worries we got them by the balls

Then
Lyle hunting Op failure:
Fuck, gonna owE the whales more money but it can be fixed

Quickly:
Nowhere:
Some Egghead being a pain? whatever
FUCK WHAT DO YOU MEAN BUGS AND THE UNITY SHOWED UP
WTF HAPPENED TO THAT SERVER SHIP

OK ok we just need time to deal with this

HIVE FLEET ENTRANCE AND SPEECH TO WHOLE PLANET ABOUT THIS BEING THE LEADERS FAULT?
FUCK YA ALL, WTF WHATS GOING ON
WHERES THE EMERGENCY BOOZE AND BLOW

Lee is ambassador and shown on union boobtube:
WTF HE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD, WHO ARE THESE FUCKERS

Hive fighting over path:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE MULTIPLE BUGS

All events withing a week or so
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>>1306656
Kek
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>>1306656
God dammit my sides.
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>>1306656
And this is why the union is useless right now

No organizations can handle these level of fuckups happening so quickly and on multiple fronts
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>>1306656
I just wish I could have seen it first hand.
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>>1306670
Soon to appear:

DID YOU JUST SAY WE RELEASED THE FUCKING "THING" IN A MAJOR CITY!
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>>1306676
For all we know Kent is about to help break it out.
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>>1306656
I don't think the Union will be staying in once piece by the time these crises are over with
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>>1306670
We could potentially handle all that shit but it wouldn't be easy.
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>>1306676
Followed by

WHAT DO YOU MEAN "A STRANGE BIO-MASS" STARTED TO GROW IN THE LAB WALLS?!?!!
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>>1306696
You mean whole planet yes?
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>>1306706
We won't let it get that far.
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>>1306706
Yes that is what i meant yes.
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>>1306712
He referring to the spores spread by the OQ ship fragments that fell allover the planet, not the "Thing"
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>>1306706
>>1306712
Do you think that after BQ's creep take over a planet, they will understand that the reason we were burning her wreckage, wasn't just so they wouldn't get our tech?
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This reminds me, we told the humans to call us if any future hostile contamination shows up, i wonder how far will they let the OQ creep grow before they do?
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>>1306733
or how far it'll spread before they notice
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>>1306656
During these events:

Sir! the CW have launched a offensive in blahblahblah

FUCK OFF

Checking monitoring Sat:
ITS UNITY? AND THEY COMPRISED HOW FUCKING MUCH?
STOP THAT TECHIE FROM COMMITTING SUICIDE

Breather Sit rep:
K WE ARE AT POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH 5 DIFFERENT FACTIONS
BUGS, MORE BUGS, TINNIES, WHALES AND THOSE PRICKS OVER THERE

SOMEONE STOP THOSE SPIES FROM COMMITTING SUDOKU
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>>1306733
doesn't matter we can always "Nuke it from orbit!" as some anons like to say.
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>>1306743
Their crocs not whales anon.
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>>1306744
Nuking the most populated planet in the Union is not a good idea.
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>>1306743
Reminds me of the empire in total warhammer
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>>1306749
Aren't they whale size?

>implying crocs can't grow as big as a whale.
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>>1306752
By the time the creep grow to much i don't think there will be much population to save. But we can always take the survivors out of the planet before nuking it.
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>>1306758
Nope.
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>>1306763
What are talking about, the Valen are the size of a school bus. They're way more whale than croc.
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>>1306766
From what I recall they're a giant mix of snapping turtle, pipe organ, moray eel, and a lobster
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Kent nods to several technicians who operate a number of consoles. A hologram emerges amid a mad field of flickering static in the middle of the room projected from some fifty year old projector display. It shows a complex image of the city's subterranean infrastructure. A number of flat screens set up along the walls show low quality security footage of various tunnels as local police and corporate security patrol up and down the service tunnels. The screens include a number of public areas where entrances into the tunnels are hidden, or where agents sit in disguise to serve as gatekeepers, likely waiting for someone to present some information or password before being led away.

"What a hellhole." Kent says. "Hard to tell the difference between the underground and the surface at times. The wealthy never touch the lower city, likely don't even see it. It makes getting up to them all that harder." He leans onto the controls for the central projector and begins entering a number of commands. The projections shifts to a specific building, a large corporate facility surrounded by various subsidiary buildings and company housing projects.

"This is the Senticom building. Used to be an atmo-processor, now it's the headquarters of one of the largest privately owned research and development companies in the Union. Most of the quantum processors used to build that AI in Chandra were designed here, and now, most AAII programs are designed here. You can imagine the game of connect-the-dots your typical tinfoil hat wearing nut case thinks of it." He says with a smirk. "Now imagine what an advanced nutcase like me knows about it."

"What, you think they unleashed that AI on purpose?" Your clones ask.

"Nothing so crude, although they do seem to allow it to do damage when their sales go down." He replies. "No, they just take advantage of that disaster. However, I happen to know that they hold a number of rather odd government contracts. Namely, AI research contracts that were never quite canceled after the treaty was signed. They were just allowed to expire, but in its place is a nice, big, black hole of money." He presses several buttons and a wall of numbers and financial reports scrolls past the front of the map. "Now obviously, they are not doing something as simple as actual AI research. It's always best to disguise your secrets as one degree closer to the public's overton window if you can. You can deflect more criticism that way with a slightly more believable story. AI research was always controversial, but there is one thing I can think of that's even further away from public acceptability. Earlier I mentioned Union 'tin heads', I assume you've heard about them given your employer and my assumption you worked with Lyle in the past, but in case I was mistaken..."
cont.

Also it looks like it's just my shitty internet messing up again, sorry about the slow pace, it takes forever for captcha to get through but it looks like an issue on my end.
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Actually they look like crocs with shells if you read their description and size is pretty meaningless considering fish can grow that big.
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>>1306773
Smith baby makers?
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>>1306773
Oh so this where the smiths are built. Pity this doesn't have anything to do with the dozens of more pressing issues we've got on right now.

>>1306777
Always seemed more to me like bloated eels. Either way they've got about as much in common with whales as any other species from Earth.
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>>1306773

Oh those are the guys that "make" the Smiths. I want to hack then so much...I wonder how much tech we can get to our cover up company.
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>>1306788
They have the least in common with whales judging by their anatomy.
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So Smiths vs Thing vs Spores then?

And if can sabotage this place maybe get:

Berserk Smiths vs Things vs Spores vs union
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>>1306074
Which quest?
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>>1306800
They have the size in common, and that's the only thing they share with anything from Earth. Either way we've already come to the consensus of calling them whales, we're not coming up with an entirely new form of slander this late in the game.
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On other note. We just found the Weyland Yutani. Fucks sake is everything bad about humanity sci-fi concetrated on Union space?
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>>1306788
The smiths are neat, and will probably come into play later.

I agree, though, that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on and we should prioritize this appropriately. Personally I really want to see the Commonwealth battle and talk to Magus about the Void God/OQ, have Lee give his speech about the Expanse, have dinner with the Valen, and see what happens with the Barren Queen's rebirth.
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>>1306815
Path you mean path
And right in Neo Tokyo

We need kaiju stat before the free for all
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>>1306815
Just need a wormhole accident for the Event Horizon plot-line

>>1306822
Well we do have Titans so that'd be easy enough
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>>1306817
I would like to send a diplomacy/Inquisition to earth and to FINALLY RAID OQ!
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>>1306813
Why not Crocs or Gators since that's what everyone else calls them? No need to be special snowflake.
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>>1306822
Kaiju Vs Smiths Vs Spoke Vs The Thing.

Sounds like a terrible title for a movie that would genarate to much hype and end up being shit.
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>>1306825
>Just need a wormhole accident for the Event Horizon plot-line
That gives me an idea, maybe when we get the valen gate FTL we gain a new research option that combines valen FTL with Rip drive to create a wormhole interception device.
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So this is now what i want

The spores are primed so that is good

Free the Thing from that lab

Make the smith factory go nuts and unleash Berserk smiths onto the planet

Add our own Kaiju into this fight

And several bowls of popcorn and booze watching watching how the union reacts to this clusterfuck
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>>1306826
Eh, I'd rather not raid OQ with almost all our fleets tied up in Union intimidation or helping the Commonwealth. If she retaliates we could have to abandon our allies/suddenly leave the Union, which might have them guessing we're weaker than we're trying to appear. I'd rather resolve those conflicts before engaging in another.
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>>1306835
First we wait for OQ spores, then release the smiths, then release the thing and finally send our titans and some camera drones to film the clusterfuck while a speaker narrates.
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>>1306847
She can't retaliate, i recall the barred queen saying something about that.
Also we already moved some ships from the Gemini fleet to take care of that Path attack.
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>>1306848
Lyle and crew alongside a speaker do the narration?
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>>1306848
The movie industry is another area of business they could get into.

Either through filming complex over the top movies like this on our own worlds

or selling genetically created movie monsters to other film studios
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>>1306847
We need to colonize more planets is what we need. The system with the red giant and giant diamond has a bunch of planets to colonize but might be risky. Th
>>1306853
Incorrect. She's probing for weakness. She can attack whenever she wants she's just hesitating.
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>>1306854
I bet it sounds like a sports game
>Hello ladies and gentlemen to the first ever Armageddon games.
>Joining with me today is the amazing Lyle.
>"Sup."
>Today we have Berserk smiths facing off against The thing.
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>>1306773
A new projection appears, this time a crude engineering image showing various mechanical readouts, although most of it is vague or glossed over. The schematic is humanoid in appearance, a skinless, metallic skeleton filled with various compact gadgets and weaponry. There are a number of alternative images for limbs showing different designs and loadouts, with varying degrees of estimation and accuracy, either showing intricate details or vague estimations based on observed performance and hearsay.

"It's hard to find any concrete evidence they exist without taking a few crazies for their word. They break every cybernetics law ever written, and I have been hunting them down for years. Everything I've uncovered has brought me to this building." He turns to your clones as you examine the display. "I believe Senticom is using a government contract to produce and train special operations cyborg agents. They rarely leave witnesses, either because they are never seen or they kill everyone who saw it. I can count the number of people who have survived an encounter on one hand, and that's a generous estimate, not the ones I have evidence to support, and most people consider them a conspiracy theory, like the men in black or pre-spaceflight alien encounter stories of the early days of the Confederacy, only these are real. Any time the Union was on the brink, there was always some event, some disaster or catastrophic failure, some accident or bought of bad health that tipped the balance." He lightly hits the display with his cane for added emphasis, making the hologram flicker and become fuzzy for a moment. "I wonder just how many people would walk away from paradise when they see the price the Union paid for it. Only problem is, as you may have guessed, it's locked down tight. It would be easier to break into Windsor's private office in the middle of a work day than to get in there, and even if you do get in, who knows how you'd get out."

"I don't think I like where you're going with this." Your clone says.

"I'd like you to help my team get in." He says as your clones groan in annoyance. "We have been collecting data on the facility for over a year now. We just need the firepower to get in and, hopefully, get out with the right data, while sabotaging what you can along the way." Kent hobbles a bit closer to your clones. "I'd pay what I can, but I saw you in the tunnels. You fight like a madman from Eridani with a grudge and nothing to lose. My men know the way in, they have the contacts, but they don't have augs like that."

>Agree to help
>Refuse
>Demand a specific reward (write in)
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>>1306885
And now I've just remembered this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs2c94cHcdI
>>1306877
Ah, then it still might be a good idea to raid so she can't send probing forces.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
HELL YES
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>>1306892
I think she's actually waiting for an attack in which case building up our fleet is the better option.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
[Shadowrunning intensifies]
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
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>>1306890
>pre-spaceflight alien encounter stories of the early days of the Confederacy

yeah tottaly a conspirancy theory. Hahahahahahaha...
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>>1306890
How many damn former atmo-processors are there in New Tokyo? Gilliam is in one too.

Also, I feel like we should borrow the Taidarens to 'repair something' we need help with... and adopt them in the Path sewer hive.
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>>1306902
Might be true, maybe use our new carrier fleets to lay an ambush just in case you're right.
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>>1306890
Sure.

I hope eventually we get a spine-buddy for Kent, he's a trooper and with augs he'd make a good foil for Lyle.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
We can see about getting Theseus access while we're at it; I'm sure he'd love our gift.
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We need to expand and build up our industry. For more ships, to wage more SPACE WAR.


That and I'm craving some politics right now. All these side plots, the interview, the Alder assassination attempt, the Killinger-

I CAN'T TAKE IT MAN. SO MANY THINGS TO DO, SO LITTLE TIME FOR QUEST TO RUN. MAH BODY CAN'T BE ANY MORE READY THAN THIS.
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>>1306890
>mumble about 2 agents fighting one
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>>1306890
So this is where Smiths come from?
>Agree to help
Maybe we can nab something useful for ourselves or Theseus.
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>>1306913
Thats my only legit complaint about HQQ.
So many things to do. So many plot thread to pursue, yet so little time.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
Well need some time mabe ask if we can bring our employer in on the action. We can take the time to talk to Thessus about it
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>>1306922
I can't complain since QD has literally worked through having his heart explode in his chest and is still doing this shit. I have may favorites but any HQQ is good in my book.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
Oh boy i wonder how many experimental augs are in there.
Is anyone tempted to send in a chimera just to rub it in Windsor's face?
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>>1306917
I mean we never took the chance to study the rest of Giles's body below the neck...
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>>1306890
As far as I can tell the only thing this job could maybe get us is something to help reading that Smith's memory, which isn't that important. We just aren't interested in the things that this Kent guy wants. What does it matter how the union governs themselves, as long as they don't get in our way.

Although we could get him to help us with something else later I suppose.

So if we do it, make it clear that he owes us. And we will also sneaky unity infect them.
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>>1306935
It will cement our alliance
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>Agree to help

Just the cheer amount of tech and research we can grab from this place is worth the assault. Also i'm pretty sure they might have something from BQ's wreckage inside that place. Our prophet's will do good work on the inside but we might want to lower the exposure of hive tech to this places cameras. I still think it's worth the risk.
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>>1306935
The Techs got a spinal USB cord for that I guess.
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
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>>1306890
>Agree to help
>Demand a specific reward
Full access to any and all recovered intel. Also, either access to all analysis data of recovered tech, or we get to take the tech and we'll give them a copy of the full analysis data in return.

It's time to see if the humans have learned any tricks worth replicating.
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>>1306949
>either access to all analysis data of recovered tech, or we get to take the tech and we'll give them a copy of the full analysis data in return.
I agree with this part, changing to this.
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>>1306890
>>Agree to help

Offer his people augs, and ask that any assistance we give stay off the record. Fuck smiths.
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>>1306890
You know when we do this we should line it up with when the creep starts to get really bad in the lab.
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>>1306949
Seconding.
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>>1306935
With all the parts from BQ's ships floating around space i bet those fuckers might have something equal to the recovered parts that Gilliam is working on, or something more relevant and or dangerous.
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>>1306956
Where will any augs be installed? Tell them to book it to Leeland?
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2 questions, how big is a moderate relay and can we do the nausea field using a basic relay?
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>>1306949
Changing mine to this.
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>>1306949
If we really want a reward, we could use our own space unclaimed in the undercity to stake out, and not Kent's cots.
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>>1306957
I bet the creep incident will occour in this place. This way we can make Union second guess the company and make way for another one. Maybe our recently created corp? To take it's place.
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>>1306949
Wouldn't this be a given that this a joint op?
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>>1306963
They could rendezvous with one of our ships somewhere in space; it doesn't have to be hard.
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>>1306968
Why would a robotics and computer corporation research Bugs anon?
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>>1306969
Maybe, but it depends on how "joint" the op really is. He might just want us to be dumb hired muscle.

The tech would be worth money so it's still a good cover if we want the clones to appear selfishly profit-motivated. If instead it's clear they work solely for the good of the Hive, it's still a plausible thing for the Hive to want (since it is literally what we want, aside from weakening the Union's political power base and their supply of Smiths).

Trust depends on knowing what the other guy wants. If we ask for nothing that's more suspicious.
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>>1306911
I'd rather cut back on abusing parasites except where necessary, honestly. There's too much baggage that comes with using them on neutral or allied parties.

>>1306973
There's no way in hell he would agree to something extremely dangerous and abusable like that.

He'd be rightly paranoid of our fucking with him or whatever units that he sends to be augged.
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>>1306983
Humans have a industry of millions involved in avoiding death or getting a diseases. Some alien race that has the abilitie to space fairying appears. They might try to reverse engennir something on a side note it might evne help then create better smiths.
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>>1306998
Yeah, but a computer company wouldn't have experience in xenobiology
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>>1306991
>abusing
I don't understand.
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Hold on i have another question, psionic imprinting allows us to remove memories right? Or at least surface memories?
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>>1307003
Not just a computer company is it? Need biologists and other specialties to make smiths after all
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>>1306890
>>Agree to help
Mention the possibility of the hive providing Augs to the terrorists for this mission in exchange for some future actions on the hive's behalf.
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>>1306890
Your clones look at each other with concern, their minds passing a subtle stream of emotion between them.

"Alright." One of them says. "But you owe us, and our employers big time."

"Understood." He says. "I assume they lack any form of human recognized currency, likely why they seem to have paid you in augments, so consider the favor owed. I don't know how you relay your status to your employers, but we will need some time still to organize a proper strike team, but with the city on high alert, it may offer us a distraction we can use to get in, if we can get past the added external security." Kent says. "So if you need to go to the surface for any broadcasts or make contact with any dead drop locations or field handlers, now is the time. Just make it quick."

Cont.
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>>1306991
Actually allied parties is a toss up since they have a lot of benefits that come with them.
>>1307005
Not even remotely.
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>>1307005
Yes but it requires an advanced relay on planet and as far as I remember we don't have any drones on path
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>>1307003
A the same way a computer company wouldn't have a experience in human anatomy? What i'm trying to say is, nothing is assured that they JUST work with computer or tech and since they have being opening people up to see what could work. Nothin also says they don't have some private tech on their hands.

>inb4 we face what is face from Deus EX.
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>>1306983
Biologically inspired engineering isn't exactly new thinking in the timeline of the quest.
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>>1307020
No psionic imprinting does not remove memories. It implants thoughts.
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>>1307020
Well damn, maybe we can put an advanced relay inside a van and move to the border of the facility for mind wiping then.
>>1307025
Is it psionic reading that allows it then? Sorry i got them confused.
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>>1307026
We have nothing that let's us remove memories anon.
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>>1307014
>Your clones look at each other with concern, their minds passing a subtle stream of emotion between them.


I forget that humans have worries about their bodies and don't have the williness our drones have. Send a mental tap on the sholder so they can know we will take care of then.

Time to send our boys some cool toys!!
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>>1307034
We blurred the memories that our human captives had of us before we released them
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>>1307036
Some flys and mabe a ghost beetle would be cool
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>>1307042
Not really. They were hibrenating most of the time.
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>>1307036
Pretty sure their bodies are already full of cool toys. Is there something specific more that they'll need that's worth the risk of sending another infiltration to the planet?

There's the option of having something grow locally, but I don't know if we sent that capability with them, and I also don't know if it's worth exposing how directly they work for the Hive right now.
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>>1307014
>1305694 Hive Queen Quest 62.2 Trouble brews in the undercity of Path's sprawl as chaos spreads across the Union in more ways than one. Hive Queen Quest, Hivemind, Collective Game, Queen, Quest, sci fi 2017-03-27 2

Time for more chaos then.
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>>1307048
No obvious drones.
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>>1307034
Actually we can i just found the research i was thinking about, and ironically it was
>Psionic Imprinting
>Careful and very deliberate pulses of psionic energy can, under the right conditions, slightly alter the properties of real matter on the molecular level. Through this process of slight nudging, and by using Psionic Reading to develop an image of the mind being worked on, you can essentially trigger instinctive mental states or implant simple ideas into the target mind. The more simple the idea, the easier it is to implant, such as the overwhelming notion that something is a bad idea, suppressing a fight or flight response to calm a target down, or confusing the mind's perception of its surroundings to manipulate its perceived navigation of an environment, sending them in circles they could swear is a straight path. Such ideas can be implanted within a range of 5 meters and requires a direct line of sight. More complex ideas require greater effort, requiring some focus or distraction to help nudge the target's thought process, such as a speaker or agent stating the idea verbally in conjunction with the impressed sensation of agreement. Such complex manipulations allow for the adjustment of a target's opinion of a subject or other target, the erasing of a recent memory, or a detailed verbal command instructing the target to perform some non-dangerous action. Failure to imprint on a target may result in the target becoming aware of the attempted influence.
>the erasing of a recent memory
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>>1307057
Did it ever end?
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>>1307053
I was thinking just some guns if they don't have anything more punching then a side arm with then.
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>>1307053
Also, even if we let Kent know that they're definitely packing Hive biology, we don't want to let the Union know they got hit with anything from the Hive. We can't leave behind any evidence of Hive tech in this op.
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>>1307023
"inspiration" is not the same as "even having the lab equipment that a xeno entomologist would need in the first place."

That's not how it works. Biologists figure out the biology, then engineers take inspiration from it after it's established. You think Microsoft takes in exotic species to check if their brain has inspiration for them?
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>>1307071
My boss brought an Emu into the office to inspire our HR rep to transfer. Something like that count?
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>>1307067
Luckly we can use >>1307064
To disguise the details of our augs.
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>>1307067
I thought we could 'copy', make then less bio-tech looking, guns. At least is what i though.
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>>1307083
Was he Australian?
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>>1307086
Yes, actually... good guess.
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>>1307084
That would require an appropriate drone within like 5 meters of every witness.

It would be easier to pack parasites and stick them in witnesses when the others aren't looking.
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>>1307066
Mabe we could make a swiss army knife with or light tech photon blades with multiple presets a blaster pistol and laser function and a holographic display that could be used as makeshift camouflage?
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>>1307071
Somebody hasn't read about the mechanical inspirations gleaned from horse anuses.
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>>1307108
I don't see the contradiction.
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>>1307071
Well, good thing Senticom is a research and development company.
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>>1307093
How big is a medium relay? If it can fit inside our hybrids they can use the psionic imprinting to sneak in, read minds for passwords/information, hide their hive features and anything else i couldn't think of.
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>>1307117
A medium relay's the size of a medium drone. It's pretty large.
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>>1307085
That's true, but we'd have to either grow some kind of bio-fabber-thing on site (not sure we sent anything that can do it, and I'm not sure we want to use Hive tech that directly in front of Kent or not), or fab them off-site and smuggle them in. Getting where we are without being ID'd as Hive wasn't easy.
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>>1307117
Medium relays are big anon.
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>>1307120
Not really a medium relay can fit in our queen so it would fit in most drone sizes
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>>1307120
>>1307124
Just checked the pastebin
Moderate: The same variant as the queen. Can receive and transmit thoughts over vast distances. Coverage can cover most planets with ease, and reach into low orbit. Is free for the Queen only. (50N)
It can fit.
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>>1307123
I recall our agets have IDs now. they got them from the Gemini taiden and used them to travel to Path.
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>>1307128
Queens are big anon
We got a big butt and it dont lie
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>>1307127
That's because the Queen has a gigantic headress that serves as a relay. Anything that obviously hive is too risky to send on this mission. Even if we can mind-wipe everyone there will be cameras. And the stream for those cameras may be sent via quantum uplink to a place we can't easily reach. Theseus may be able to hack into and remove/edit the footage, but that's a big maybe and until we know for sure I don't want anything obviously hive in the op.

I'd be okay with giving these guys some medium/light exo armor and some hive heavy firepower, but we'd need to be really sure to disguise it first.

Maybe we should get Theseus in on this op? I'm sure he'd love to get his robotic hands on Union Smith research.
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>>1307127
All psionic relays can fit on a standard medium-sized drone but moderate and advanced can't be shrunk down to small size.
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>>1307110
I misread your argument and thought you were claiming something different. Mea culpa.

That said, it's not unreasonable to suppose a clandestine complex connected to Smith development would have a materials research division that might end up seeing alien materials.
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>>1307137
The medium relay in in our head so it can fit in a human/parasite head too.
You don't need to tell me about our big royal butt.
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>>1307145
Our head is big too anon
Really big eyes and lips to die for
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>>1307145
It won't. It's come up before in the quest and we've had a long discussion about it. It wouldn't work.
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>>1307139
>That's because the Queen has a gigantic headress that serves as a relay. Anything that obviously hive is too risky to send on this mission. Even if we can mind-wipe everyone there will be cameras. And the stream for those cameras may be sent via quantum uplink to a place we can't easily reach. Theseus may be able to hack into and remove/edit the footage, but that's a big maybe and until we know for sure I don't want anything obviously hive in the op.
The same can be said of our agents augs, and maybe we can put the medium relay on our parasite instead of the agents themselves.
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>>1307145
Nope QD has explicitly said small drones can't moderate relays.
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>>1307145
that means the queens head is the size of a medium drone. that would be a weird looking Human Clone with a head about the same size as his body.
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>>1307140
>>1307151
>>1307155
Ah, thanks for telling me.
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>>1307145
>it can fit in a human/parasite head too

>it can fit on someone both 2 meters tall and on someone 4cm tall

One of these things is not like the others.
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We have like, 12 QD posts and over 400 anon posts. Feels good to know QD is still here, alive and well
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>>1307157
Dude the medium relay can fit in a drone's head the relay itself is not drone size.
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>>1307162
Last thread was a 1100 to 30 qm posts

Had over a 100 unique posters too
We still have anons incoming
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Actually we do have an implant for giving a clone psionic powers but it's not cheap
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>>1307014
The news zooms in on a crowd of protesters, fires growing amid piles of trash, the remains of protest signs, and vehicles lines along the roadside or abandoned in the center of the angry mob. Someone throws a flaming bottle from the crowd and it impacts a police line nearby in a burst of flaming fuel, coating the riot shields in burning liquid as they fire into the crowd with various non-lethal munitions, gas billowing from canisters and blood staining the masked, hooded figures as rubble bullets knock several to the ground. The front line of the riot leap back, trampling those behind as a geyser of pepper spray flies from a rifle sized hose and coats them head to toe as a crescendo of screams ripple across the streets, and then two more of the fuel filled bottles explode between the police.

Lee watches with concern at the live footage, the echo of firearm discharges in the distance merging with the chaos of the holoscreen as the districts of New Prescott devolve into outright bedlam. Several sonic booms rattle the windows as your perimeter guards track several squads of drop troopers fall upon the city near areas where smoke billows up from between the high rise buildings and public housing blocks.

"This is an inefficient use of worker activity." Your speaker chirps, Lee glairs at the drone for a moment.

"I think they know that." He says. He flinches at what sounds like an explosion nearby that shakes the windows with a quick, deep boom that sounds worryingly close, but your guards triangulate as merely being echoes from the nearby buildings, the actual source being nearly at the edge of the Capital district.

Lang walks in, his face tense and his hair unkempt. It is clear he has not slept since your official arrival.
"I've compiled a shortlist of news agencies for potential good, but balanced, coverage, and passed out your offer of a public statement." He says, Lee mutes the holoscreen as he looks over the list, crossing out several of them in mild disapproval.

"Great, who sent in requests?" He asks.

"Everyone." Lang replies. He hands Lee a datapad. "Every local news station, several late night shows, and seven thousand independant reporters and counting as well as every system wide network. We're still getting requests in from outside the system since the Q-com network is still not back up to full capacity, but it looks like all of them as well." Lee simply double takes as he attempts to read through the list. "Those are just the networks I can think of off the top of my head I felt would be most appropriate."

"I didn't even know there were that many reporters in the system." Lee says. Even as the muted news hologram shows the burning of some distant district, the replays of your arrival replays in a small image in the corner for the seventh time today.

>Organize and plan your public appearance
>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)
>Other
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>>1307162
QD's said capcha is fucking him over tonight. Hopefully it won't be a reoccurring problem.

Also, this is an extremely popular quest. It will get lots of discussion.
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>>1307173
>Organize and plan your public appearance
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>>1307173
I wonder how hard it would be to meet Killinger, record the scent of his bodyguards, and track down those scents after their shift ends.
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>>1307174
Yea, no exaggeration I had to re-do the captcha up to ten times for some of these, and each time it would just load for like twenty seconds before telling me it failed to connect.

Again, the problem is on my end though, I've had to restart my router twice tonight. Sorry about that.
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>>1307173
>>Organize and plan your public appearance
>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
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>>1307173
>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
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>>1307185
We don't want Killinger dead yet, not until Talgo is confirmed clean.
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>>1307173
>Organize and plan your public appearance
>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
If we can't do both do the first.
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>>1307173
>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
>>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)
Alder. Now would be a fine time to let her know that the security council tried to assassinate her.
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>>1307173
>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament

Isn't Parliament meeting like, right now, to discuss our "proposal" on the Expanse? We really need to explain some things to them in private before we go public. The outcry over our demand for the Expanse will be immense. We can explain ourselves after the politicians vote for it.

HOWEVER, if the Expanse vote will be delayed for a while (like a few days to a week), then I think we should do a public appearance to keep the panic from spreading and to try and get at least some goodwill (or at least not active terror and animosity) out there. We do have a lot of explaining to do.
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>dead
>not adopted
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>>1307173
>Have Lang contact a local politician (write in)
Get me Alex Jones.
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>>1307173
>>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament
This. Lee needs to not spill his spaghetti and he's such a nervous child.
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>>1307197
We can condemn Killinger to a fate worse than death for (literally) eternity. But for now he is far more useful as a corrupt politician we have a mountain of dirt on than as a forgotten corpse that has been replaced by a religious fanatic.
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>>1307197
>Speaker shows up to meeting with Killinger
>offers him a box with airholes
>Secret service open and find kittens
>Speaker: "To replace the cat you got rid of."
>The kittens are spies
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>>1307205
Actually we only really need to take three systems and we could allow Union civilians to take refuge in our territories.
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>>1307173
Shouldn't we release a public statement or something?
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Something i've noticed is our speakers sound a bit silly at times or ominous in a cliche way or just dense, but i've also seen us be very direct and aware. I like to think that the Red Queen gives the speakers enough attention to speak about her general intentions, but if she wished she could cut the bullshit and the person in front of the speaker would be speaking to the Queen herself,no speaker speaking. But thats only when she wants to get serious and since shes a cheeky bugger, thats rare, though this conference will probably require the Queen to give the speaker better instructions.
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>>1307226
PLEASE
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>>1307226
Oh shit this.
This we must do.
Maybe even get one for Lee.
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>>1307173
Oh gosh I just thought of our speaker at a tonight show with Conan I don't know if that would be funny or if it would just be embarrassing
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>>1307235
I've also thought that, it's quite nice.
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>>1307226
No spy kittens, just regular ones.

He'll lose his shit trying to figure out what our trick was.
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>>1307216
>"I don't want chemicals in my protein vats that turn Taidaren gay!"
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>>1307243
Conan the barbarian has a talk show?
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>>1307226
hehehe
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>>1307236
>>1307238
No you damn retards. We will not.
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>>1307173
>Organize and plan your public appearance
>Help Lee plan for his appearance before Parliament

>>1307226
That does sound fun.

>>1307235
Yeah it would make sense given the varying different attitudes speakers have had, all depending on mood and what's actually seen as "serious" by the Red Queen.
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>>1307256
Please have our speaker go to a computer to shitpost images of this everywhere.
PLEASE
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>>1307226
I vote for this
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>>1307226
This will instantly tell him that we were aware of what was happening there, and that the hive is connected everywhere. You really want to blow that critical piece of intel on a joke?
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>>1307245
To be honest I've always waited for the moment when someone realises that thier talking to the queen and not some random speaker it will be awesome >>1307253
Lets be honest hed drown them out of spite
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>>1307253
Now that's actually a better idea.

Imagine the xeno political analysts trying to figure it out for themselves. I'd bet they'd really overthink the significance of our species gifting a littler of young pets.
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>>1307235
We're cheeky space bugs. Speakers aren't dumb, but they're made to be bright and a little fluffy and non-threatening, so they're probably made to sound a bit silly/childish. That way other races let more slip because they think Speakers are dumb bug-children.
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>>1307267
They would have the red queen blow her brains out for a joke at this rate.
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>>1307255
Its the year 4000 or something someone is doing it the laws of the Internet demand it (also im tiered and very bad at names)
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>>1307267
>>1307226
Remind me of when this cat was gotten rid of, and what admitting knowledge of that event would imply.
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>>1307267
Yes.
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>>1307267
Not really, the reference was from the lab where the hives presence was known, the fact we know despite it supposedly not being possible could be from anything between super hearing to spies to mind reading; it wouldn't tell him shit but it would scare the hell out of him.
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>>1307273
No its more because our drones are all autistic by nature if we gave mouth parts to a heavy worrior it would sound the same
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>>1307284
Killenger mentioned it when our drones wer ein the union lab, the lab that got nuked
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>>1307284
When Killinger had Lyle "capture" the Speaker and Workers for Seiner he said something along the lines of "You know how I dealt with a disobedient cat? I got rid of it"
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>>1307286
If you're saying we should then that means we shouldn't.
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>>1307284
It's a reference to our first meeting with Killinger. When he thought he was out of earshot he basically called us a bunch of cockroaches and flash froze our drones for shits and giggles. Telling him about the cat will reveal that we planned that whole shinding, were in contact with our drones the entire time, and that we have surveillance measures far beyond what the Union is capable of.
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>>1307284
Back when we sent those quantum drones with Lyle to get dissected, killinger showed up for the first time and mentioned "If you want to make a cat behave you get rid of them."
I think it was that moment we began to hate him.
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>>1307284
It was in the facility that got nuked. and it would be great because Killinger would be the only one who would know what it meant. It would fuck with him so hard!
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>>1307284
it's from the lab where they abducted our drones to, he said something like he had a cat that would claw at shit all the time so he got rid of it. It was from a different room so worst case it implies small or invisible spies.
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>>1307296
I answered his question.
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>>1307299
>I think it was that moment we began to hate him
I think QD even mentioned noticing that. Guess that's what happens when you speak about abusing a cat on the internet
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>>1307297
That would also bring attention to our flies.
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>>1307286
>>1307304
Since when did the playerbase give this little of a shit about espionage? We used to have a lick of common sense about concealing ourselves from the Union, and all you care about is making a stupid joke one single person is going to get, and we won't even be able to view his reaction.
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>>1307306
not really. I mean it could be mind reading or super hearing or maybe one of the techs talked or we stole his corpse and memories or 100 other ways the information could have gotten out. I can't foresee any way it could go wrong and it would definitely fuck with him.
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>>1307173
>>Other
Wait.

Have we still not gotten a catalog from Windsor of just how many dark crystals they've found, where they them, and whether they're sure they haven't lost track of any of them?

We really gotta talk to him about that...
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>>1307226
I just thought up something to improve this.
We should send the original dissection speaker to the parliament to hand him these kittens.
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Whatever we decide to do we need our speaker to try to eat at least one microphone at the press conference. Also somewhere midway it should request a barrel of honey.
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>>1307316
Um... hate to break it to you, but hes dead jim.
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>>1307313
And I'm sure he'll tell us.
>>1307319
Oh right, it was only our workers that got out.
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>>1307317
Or a soda, honey is too sticky and messy for parliament.
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>>1307304
You consistently spouted stupid shit throughout this thread. You think I'll trust your judgement.
>>1307311
I'm not joking when I say the playerbase has become shit.
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>>1307311
Honestly there's not much he could do about it he has no evidence against us and he can't link it to us with out damaging his career and on top of that chill man were just shooting the shit while we wait for QD
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>>1307328
>I'm not joking when I say the playerbase has become shit.
When did this happen? It's like akun tier in here, and it seems like half the anons haven't played this quest before this year.
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>>1307328
Seriously? This is an act on par with the lighter jokes. they know we were messing with them throughout the tests. We can just toss in Communications drone 34821337 aka Sally was quite distraught after it overheard his tragic loss. tracks covered - cheeky unleashed
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>>1307335
Do you really think Killinger gives a shit about evidence? He's got an army of fucking terminators on hand.
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>>1307337
The hiatus and quest ban killed the quality of the playerbase. People don't even care enough to use the fucking wiki.
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>>1307328
>You consistently spouted stupid shit throughout this thread. You think I'll trust your judgement.
The fuck is with this sudden hostility? What did i do to you?
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>>1307328
>>1307337
>>1307345
People have been putting forth jokes in banter that don't get a pass when it comes to the actual vote since thread 8. Remember couches and the silly useless ideas for designer pets?
This is like that, it's banter, it's not really happening.
It's not new at all, not even your negative reaction to it is new.
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>>1307346
the guy thinks he runs the direction of the quest but doesn't seem to remember that a good third of our interactions with anyone have been being a cheeky cunt.
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>>1307343
Any joke the reveals our capabilities is a shit and something the Union can take advantage of. So you can fuck off with this stupidity.
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>>1307346
They're one of the resident salty anons.

they're mad at people having some banter and a good time
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>>1307349
I think there may be slightly more cheek discussion as of late, but by and large I agree with you. Negative overreactions don't go anywhere and are generally not fun.
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>>1307349
I always the couch joke was painfully stupid but it didn't reveal our abilities.
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>>1307353
I remember those guys, they complained about the Lee lighter jokes too.
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>>1307351
They know we have radio transmission capabilities, and are wicked smart. we could even just let him know that our workers would like to thank him for his hospitality though they wanted to know if the thermonuclear detonation is standard farewell procedure. it would explain the nukes left in orbit that one time when they left. Maximum cheek maximum fuck with the Killinger.
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>>1307360
Shove it up your ass. You don't care if you fuck us over or not only if you get unfunny jokes.
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>>1307349
But here people seem to be seriously arguing for just...reveling our own advanced observational and espionage abilities for nothing more than a joke. And after the shitshow and Nowhere I can't tell when anons are genuinely okay with revealing something we have fought hard to hide from humanity for shits and giggles.
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>>1307369
You seem to be under the impression that we would seriously vote for an admittedly bad joke when it came down to it

I say this being the one who came up with the joke and know it would be a bad idea. You need to chill my man, everyone here is here for some fun and making jokes is a part of that even if you don't want it to be
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>>1307344
No he doesn't for what its worth the union is a democracy and even Kingler has his checks and balances
>>1307356
What do you mean it reveled are ability to make upholstery
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>>1307357
You see, the lighter thing was funny because it was totally harmless. The worst that could happen with that was that Lee would get a hand slap. If anything it would have helped obscure our advanced nature by making us seem more primitive than we really were.

This whole thing about Killinger's cats would actually bite us in the ass if anons voted to do it, and a lot of people seem sold on the idea.
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The joke is stupid and a bad idea.

That being said, if we make a drone that looks just like one of the ones we sent out, claim it was one of the ones that got labbed, and have it deliver the kittens, we can avoid revealing tachcomms. They'll just know we somehow got the drones out of the lab and off-planet.
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>>1307351
Calm your tits, most of the people joking about it would panic and reverse course if it actually appeared in the next vote.

You and that other guy are getting worked up over something that wasn't really serious to begin with.
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>>1307372
Anons do not know how to control themselves when making a joke. It important to remind the retards they are not in good company.
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>>1307370
its just rVyOS1Z4 being salty.

It realy wouldn't reveal with any certainty that we have any ability beyond some maner to intercept communications from our drones while they were faking being primitive critters. which we showed we could easily do when we relayed the distress call in the beginning of the quest and blinked a massive fleet into their most defended system in a literal flash.
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goddamn you are insufferable
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But aren't you essentially making yourself squirm over nothing? You don't believe you're overreacting?

It's almost like you're baiting people to take the bad joke too far just out of spite.
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>>1307173
"The Lee will be speaking with Union speakers soon."

You mean Parliament." Lee says as your drone chitters in affirmation.

"Yes. Like speakers, but worse in all ways." Your drone replies. Lee shrugs.

"Well, you probably have a point." He says. "But anyways, I'm going to have to be the one to tell the full parliament you plan on, uh, well you know..." He says as he eyes Lang.

"The motion is already put forward. I'm not going to leak it to the press, if that's what you're worried about, although I doubt it will last long before one of the representatives do." Lang says. "So far, nobody outside of the parliament building knows, or should know at least, that you have claimed sovereignty over the Expanse, and until you give your official statement Parliament is technically not allowed to debate it." He continues. "At least not in any official capacity on the floor in an open session. Right now I think they're in an emergency security meeting regarding the unfolding civil unrest, but beyond that they have been going through various amendments and editing for the consolidation bill."

"That sounds great, I guess." Lee says. "Honestly, I'm not sure I want to know what those crowds are going to do if they don't even know that news yet. They're already torching the streets." Lang examines the holoscreen for a short moment.

"Well, I can get a speechwriter on hand if you want." He says.

"No, I'd prefer this be more accurate to what the Hive is asking. I don't think putting it through some political filter would help much when everyone already seems sick of political horse shit." Lee says. "If you'll pardon the expression." He turns to your speaker as Lang turns to leave with his data pad in hand, writing frantically through news articles and filtering requests for statements and interviews.

"The speaker can speak with you. Extra speaking is better!" Your drone chirps."

"Thanks, I guess." Lee says.

>Help him with mental support (write in)
>Have the speaker assist in person (write in)
>Other
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>>1307373
>No he doesn't for what its worth the union is a democracy and even Kingler has his checks and balances
The very same checks and balances that should have stopped his pet lab project before it even started?
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>>1307394
>Have the speaker assist in person
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>>1307394
>>Have the speaker assist in person
>>Other
"Why are human workers rioting now? How will they take the news of the hives claims to the expanse?"
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>>1307397
It wasn't just his pet lab project, they might do this to all primitive species.
also i recall they had to vote to send a smith.
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>>1307394
Is it really a speaker? Didn't we send a Diplomat? Those things are much cooler.
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>>1307394
Wait is this the big one? Is the hive going to finally stand infront of parliment? Oh fuck yes we are sending a speaker
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>>1307389
>>1307391
>Implying people me are not a necessary evil in preventing the encroachment of stupidly
You merely adopted the jokes anon.
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>>1307394
>>Have the speaker assist in person (write in)
Adds to the importance when one of our own is there speaking alongside him
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>>1307403
yeah pretty sure it's the Ambassador type with the bipedal legs that make it look like a freaky version of the Luminoth
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>>1307394
>Have the speaker assist in person.
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>>Have the speaker assist in person.
"Speaker is made for speaking! Speaker will speak important words for Mother! Speaker will help friend Lee!"
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>>1307402
I was actually refering to the lab where they were testing psionics on all forms of known sentient life (including Lee). And killing them in the process.

Wonder how many sub committees he had to negotiation to get that one through.
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>>1307394
>Help him with mental support (write in)
Remind him that hes managed to endure and survive some interesting and dangerous things. Tell him to speak from his inefficient single heart and he should do fine.
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>>1307411
Wasn't the entire counsel in on that? didn't expect killinger to lead psionic research.
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>>1307394
>Have the speaker assist in person

Lee will do the introductions to the hive and state whatever kind of relations the hive wishes to have. We will do the serious galaxy ending talk. Lee will be the guy that gives you the burnt cake with nice icing and decorations, we will give the burnt cake. Blunt and to the point, the hive does not sugar-coat things like union speakers.
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>>1307394
>>1307414
>>1307416
Seconding.
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Actually how about we add a fake queen at the last minute just to fuck with everybody?
We are going to an important event.
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>>1307421
Too much for now
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>>1307014
Theseus might want to be in on this one if we assault the Smith fortress. Especially since the tech that created him originates here and possibly has a goldmine of info that would be useful. We could invite him to help infiltrate and infect this place.
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>>1307428
Seconded
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>>1307424
Slowbro
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>>1307428
Good point, we can get him in on this gig. Although we'll have to avoid letting Kent find out, of course.
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>>1307416
>, the hive does not sugar-coat things like union speakers.
Except the cake is made entirely of sugar. sugar is delicious why would you not coat everything with it.

but I agree Serious Speaker Speaking Seriously
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>>1307424
RIOTS IN THE STREETS OF GEMINI
RIOTS IN THE THREAD
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>>1307421
The more you post the more I think you're a literal retard. I truly hope this is an act.
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>>1307428
>>1307429
Third. There are things Theseus could do with our help that we'd never get done alone.

He might even get a serious leg up on the Union's data security efforts. There's an arms race right now between him trying to keep infiltration up and the Union trying to shut it down.
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>>1307394
>Have the speaker assist in person
Reiterate our points and make it clear that we have a very good reason for needing these planets (citing the incident at Nowhere), and while we regret having to step on the Union's toes we are going to have to have them, one way or another.
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>>1307428
I agree with this.
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>>1307428
They probably planned for unity infections,
And if they are building AI here and Theseus version we upload may be killed immediately

Remember what they did to Sat Theseus? and how we had to kill him cause of it?
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>>1307394
>Help him with mental support (write in)

The Speaker should NOT speak when presenting this, since we're basically taking human worlds.

Mention these points:
* Humanity, through no fault of its own, has found itself in the middle of a military conflict between the Black Hive and the Red Hive.
* This conflict goes back over 40,000 earth years, when the Skyl and the various other Hives inhabited the region humanity calls the Expanse
* In an act of betrayal, the Black Hive destroyed most of the hives, and has since sought to exterminate the remaining ones.
* Mere months ago, the last fleet of the White Hive was destroyed. The Red Hive now carries the legacy.
* The Black Hive will stop at nothing to destroy all life. The Black Queen does not negotiate, they take no prisoners, and they will eradicate entire biospheres and consume everything, only to build more dark fleets
* Human technology, while advanced, is extremely expensive compared to Hive technology. A human battleship represents decades of investment, training, and construction. A Hive battleship can be replaced in whole within a week.
* To this end, the Red Hive is requesting access to the Expanse, as it needs more resources in order to fight the Black Hive despite their 40,000 year head start.
* Make no mistake, the Black Hive's destruction is not measured in terms of individuals, but in terms of hundreds of biospheres.
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>>1307416
Good idea. The good old good-cop, bad-cop approach.

Anyone have thoughts on if we should say anything beyond what we previously said to Morgan?
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>>1307428
Fourth'd for when we come to it.
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>>1307435
I'm sorry i gave you cancer with my mere presence anon.
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>>1307406
I was born in it molded by it. I didn't see the joke till i was a man but by then it was nothing to me but annoying.
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>>1307441
A new Theseus instance would be no loss if it fails. When we're on the inside we can physically plant things that would help or even just directly insert a Theseus instance past their defences.

If it's a bad idea Theseus will tell us so.
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>>1307428
Actually would this and that banked favor be enough to have him give us his FTL tech?
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>>1307428
Yeah, he'd love this. This is one of the main areas they do anti AI research too right? Anything we can get for him would be highly valued.
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>>1307447
You're a big joke
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>>1307394
>Have the speaker assist in person
Wasn't there a plan for this last thread?
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>>1307442
Oh hell no son, we ain't telling them our life story in public, they wouldnt be able to handle it. Their cities are burning as is.
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>>1307457
for you
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>>1307442
Remove
>* To this end, the Red Hive is requesting access to the Expanse, as it needs more resources in order to fight the Black Hive despite their 40,000 year head start.
If we tell them what it's for they'll know it's true value to us and demand greater benefits on their end.
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>>1307461
Do you have a suggestion as to what we SHOULD say? Seeing as how this is the "figure out what we're going to say" part of the whole thing?
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>>1307461
especially that part about us making Jesus. really we should stay vague and enigmatic.
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>>1307442
We might be able to tell the security council this, but the televised parliament...no.
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>>1307457
Thank you I try
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>>1307467
How about these systems belong to our kind and their is another hive on the other side of us that is hostile to other life and we require the planets to mount an effective defense. No need for exposition.
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>>1307470
Security council is full of Killinger's cronies though. Actually, so is the parliament aside from that Alder chick and the priest dude
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>>1307470
Why not? How long do you plan on keeping the Black Hive hidden from Humanity?
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>>1307467
I liked that bit about us being able to replace a battleship in a week, but that should be said if they're being stubborn.
Other than that it's a matter of keeping them on the backfoot so we should prioritize things that makes us superior and in the right, like our (Species) age, how the union fucked up at nowhere(No details), the fack the black queen is genocidal, ancestral grounds(We have the map to prove it).
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>>1307477
All the more reason to scare the masses so that their government has to act on it to make them not as terrified.
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>>1307477
They didn seem so much like cronies as people who knew some of each others dirty secrets and tried to bail them out or else the whole government would fall apart.
>>1307478
Refer to follow-up post >>1307475
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>>1307478
>>1307470
IIRC the Union is already aware of the existence of another Hive faction. I think the question is how much we should couch this in terms of "we need the Expanse because of an ancient war that we're currently losing".

One concern I have is that it might push them to try to contact the Obsidian Queen, if only because they think she's going to win.
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>>1307467
*We have inhabited the region you know as the expanse millennia before you arrived in it
*A collosal war between the hives and the dark hive forced our withdrawl
*Your fucking around with the relics we left there have called the attention of the dark hive, who will probably start trying to kick your collective teeth in soon
*We're taking the expanse back, because we are outraged with the abuses the Union have made with our tech and graves
*We do not believe you are capable of defending the expanse and its inhabitants from the dark hive, so we will command its defense.
There, no mention of THAT WHICH CANNOT BE NAMED or of ancient hive gene modification of archaic humans. We let either of those two snippets loose there will be a revolution in the Union.
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>>1307475
See >>1307466
Unless we have to mention it I'd rather stay with the ancestral grounds excuse.
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>>1307486
>it might push them to try to contact the Obsidian Queen
She won't be capable of hearing them due to lack of any kind of radio receivers or understandings of protocol and would just slaughter them.
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>>1307487
Well that's not bad. Sounds good to me.
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>>1307442
>* Human technology, while advanced, is extremely expensive compared to Hive technology. A human battleship represents decades of investment, training, and construction. A Hive battleship can be replaced in whole within a week.
Anon, anon no. Why would we describe our greatest military and logistical advantages over the Union? That's insane.
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We gonna scare the fuck out of them no matter what we say since we had dropped a fleet capable of ripping thur there whole expanse fleet on there capital

Just accept and enjoy playing as Attila the Hun in this case since no matter what reasons we give will be tossed out by how big our guns are
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>>1307487
This is much better, and I think it gets to the primary points quicker.
All of the questions they'd have from these are also ones we can mostly answer without repercussions for ourselves.
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>>1307487
This is good.
"We leave for just 1,000 years to fight a war and someone ends up squatting in your house/grave.
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>>1307486
OQ dosent seem like the kind of person that negotiates. They should stop any major effort after she destroys any ships that come near her.
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>>1307487
I think this is better because it gives up fewer points that are crucial intel and/or could turn the Union either totally upside down or against us.

They've already seen our military power, so absent any huge mind-shattering reasons to do so they're not doing to oppose our claim with outright war.
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My theory on what we should say:

"For a long time the hive has been content to watch you grow as a younger race. But that time now is at an end. We were willing to forgive and have forgiven countless slights, insults, and foolishness.

We did not wish for first contact to be this way, but it is necessary. Recent Union experimentation on artifacts from the Expanse has gone too far and very nearly doomed us all. It is clear you have no idea what forces you are meddling with, and so like a child with a gun those forces will be removed from you.

The entirety of the Expanse region contains historical worlds belonging to ancient hives and our allies. To ensure no further misuse of those artifacts and sites we are requesting that the Union entirely withdraw their governmental presence on those worlds effective immediately.

The humans can stay and are free to form their own governments. We welcome peace and friendship with the young human race and those you have nurtured. But this is something we must have.

Know that our demand stems not from greed or honor, but from pure necessity. Already the actions you have taken have alerted a great horror to your presence. A war beyond anything you have seen looms on the horizon and a hive presence on these worlds is necessary to stave off your extinction.

However, we are not without empathy. Just as the Lee gave fire to us when he perceived us as a lesser species, so too shall we share greater gifts with you. We are offering a cure for all diseases and ailments, as well as the best medical care in the galaxy. We are also open to specific negotiations regarding your governments withdraw and what you would like from us to make this an equitable transaction."

Thoughts?
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>>1307487
Yeah, this seems to be generally decent and hits the main points, given our restraints.
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By the way we should set up some large sirens around our embassy just in case a riot shows up.
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>>1307394

Suporting this.
>>1307487
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>>1307501
It was fine up until
>Know that our demand stems not from greed or honor, but from pure necessity

Cut off everything including and after that sentence and it's good.
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>>1307501
I fear the implications of mentioning the void horrors directly to Parliament. Keep in mind virtually anything we say in there is going to be leaked to the wider public, and anything involving cthulus and the stupid decisions of the security council will be front page news by next morning.
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>>1307501
To patronizing and gonna scare and piss off the masses either more

The promises will cause economic and spiritual upheaval
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>>1307487
Heres another thing to add is that the Scavengers are going to eventually invade the Expanse.
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>>1307506
Oh yeah. Unorganized potentially violent riots and more dangerous organized riots along with probably extrasolar colonization business lobbyists asking for reparations and whatnot.
This speech will also attract opportunists of the chaos from all sides, and it's gonna do rounds all around union territory.
Should be fun.

>>1307501
I do not think we should play the panacea card at this moment.
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>>1307516
Yeah, if we have the opportunity we should add this. There's more than one hostile force in trying to stake their claim in the expanse... and we're most likely going to take the brunt of their expansion efforts ourselves anyways.
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>>1307487
I could definitely get behind this. But I do think we should let them know we're willing to provide good/services/medicine in exchange for the withdrawal. We're not just taking it and not giving the Union anything.
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>>1307516
The Commonwealth certainly knows about the Scavengers. Does the Union? And is it public knowledge or classified?
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>>1307525
How about putting it in terms of opening up trade and having good diplomatic relations, rather than just handing them stuff in direct compensation?
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>>1307487
>>1307501

I think the problem is that ya guys are writing this with the expectation that if we give somewhat logical reason they will accept it and understand

Right now the masses are panicking and will not allow the leadership to accept any type of giving in to us right now without a obvious and painful show of why they should hand over the expanse

And any promise will be declared lies and a try to brainwash and corrupt innocent pure citizens and cause untold social/economical damage
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Here is a writein in case they remain stubborn.
"I don't believe you properly understand the danger you have exposed yourselves to, this is not a conventional war you are entering this is a approaching cataclysm. If you were to compare the coming ruin to a colony drop it would not equal 1 1 thousandth of the impending destruction. There will be no diplomacy, no easy victory, it will be long and will demand billions of lives for its end. you will have to choose between survival or death, eternal enslavement or extinction."
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>>1307532
They've already seen that obvious and painful show. They're currently rioting in fear of it and/or protest against the current regime.
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>>1307529
Maybe, but promises are not that tangible. It will take a long time for "trade" and "diplomatic" benefits to be rewarding. Meanwhile, we're asking for a massive chunk of territory NOW. I think asking them what they're willing to accept in exchange would definitely put them off guard and may make us out as more reasonable.

I hope their population understands that attacking the orbiting fleet is suicide. Parliament certainly understands that.
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>>1307535
Instead of just trying to get it across in words, I'd point them to the disaster at Nowhere. They've got footage of a Unity Server Ship being blasted right in half in seconds.
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>>1307487
No, I don't think we should concentrate on OQ. That makes it seem like just some internal squabble spilling over. Why should it concern them? Instead just mention a powerful enemy that controls both the OQ and the Ceph and bent on all our destruction and leave it at that. That's more relatable to them since they already deal with Ceph raids, so having another asshole powerful insect race followup the Ceph raids should scare them and make them more amenable to joining our side. It also informs them that this shit is way bigger that they can imagine without actually telling them all that much.
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>>1307529
If they're open to the idea it seems an obvious yes.
Still hoping they don't just go ahead and make the absolutely worst possible decision they can make for themselves, with outright hostility and refusals.
Or their bartering attempts will be just plain sad.
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>>1307525
>>1307501
We should not be offering them anything yet. If they want something in return then they will have to ask. When in negotiations from a stronger position you don't offer first, just because they might not even ask for it.
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>>1307535
Sums it up nicely.
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>>1307532
Then in that case we should right out terraform one of their planets for free. Eridani or Leto should be good.
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>>1307532
Basically plan around the fact we need to do this but it not going go anywhere looking nice or clean

We should aim at just controlled damage

>>1307536
No they haven't, they feel it after Path is destroyed by spores but right now they haven't
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>>1307542
We're trying to help cover that up, not spread it.
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>>1307543
>and the Ceph
They'll never buy that until the Ceph betray them.

Best to keep the Ceph enmity to ourselves.
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>>1307542
No, hinting at void gods in such an obvious manner is bad.
My writein has the advantage of being vague enough the people can think we're talking about OQ.
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>>1307535
Eh, I've got a better writein.
"We can cure aging".
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>>1307544
If they flat-out refuse and can't be budged, we just take the planets. A cold war would start, but probably not a hot one.
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>>1307543
A reminder that the OQ nearly glassed half of Path.
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>>1307552
They'll never buy that until the Ceph betray them.
Mate the ceph have been raiding them.
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>>1307535
That's a good write in if they shoot down our friendlier explanations.
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>>1307552
The Ceph are raiders that attack everyone. The "blind" refugees in the Union don't count/
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>>1307542
I suppose we can play that trump card if forced to. I'd rather keep that secret information on a need to know basis if possible, though.
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>>1307556
This is our best result i think since there is no way for them agree with our demands and keep there jobs

>>1307557
Under an information block out with us distracting them on the capital and commonwealth invasion
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>>1307558
Yeah, IIRC the Union currently has the problem of not being able to capture any Ceph ships because they always self-destruct.
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>>1307558
>>1307562
Right, I don't know what I was thinking of.
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Why not openly offer to terraform their uninhabitable planets?
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>>1307569
I guess we can drop that in somewhere, kind of as a "since we're taking some planets, we can terraform some others for you, based on your exact specifications."
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>>1307569
Because that would be giving the union free shit, and the current administration needs to not get the credit of welcoming the magic bug saviors in effect locking their election wins for the foreseeable future.

Seriously, are you actually Killenger? you dont want us to prank him and you want us to just hand the union valuable material.
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>>1307569
Cause they ain't concerned with expansion during a invasion

And given the masses will see us a invaders and dont trust our tech they will not tolerate it during this emotional time
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>>1307569
Seems like a lot of work for ...? I mean they have plenty of space, they are just wanting to expand for resources and politics.
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>>1307569
I'd like to see their initial reaction first, because I don't want them to try to barter up from that deal and we have more leverage if we offer it as a response to a reaction than as something we're initially willing to do outright.

Think of it this way, a lot of our argument stems from being in a long term war with a powerful threat. Terraforming is resource intensive and draining from their perspective because they have only their own attempts to go by. This way we don't give something they didn't ask for, and we look better for it when or if we actually help them in this way because it makes our offer more valuable.
It's negotiation 101, don't offer initially and therby overplay or undersell world-class bargaining chips like speedier terraforming or aging/disease all-cures.
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>>1307578
They are either going to be giving up a huge chunk of territory to invading alien space bugs, or they will be militarily annihilated by alien space bugs. One way or another, I don't like their chances of winning re-election.

Of course, they could just approve the consolidation bill (king bill) as an "emergency measure" making the election a bit less of an immediate concern for at least some of the administration.
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>>1307578
I advocate giving them an offering in advance since we do need to soften up on them so they will empathize with us more.
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>>1307588
Well, why not just say "we are open to negotiation and counter-offers" and leave it at that and let them decide what they want from us? We could come back with a counter-offer that includes terraforming.
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>>1307580
>>1307569
And also this.

As a government it's a real bad idea to outsource what are currently massive industries while your people are in revolt. Because as far as people are concerned that means their government is selling their valuable labor away, and they'd be correct.

>>1307588
If people are to empathize with us we'd be better off opening with humor, or extremely minor gifts, but that can also be bad if ill-timed.
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>>1307585
This.
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>>1307586
They can spin that we invaded while they were engaged with the commonwealth aggressors and so it wasnt there fault since it is the truth

>>1307588
They aint going to empathize with the scary space bugs that just invaded and seem to be tech superior
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>>1307590
Not a bad plan. Of course, some things are non- negotiable. But we don't need to tell them exactly what right off the bat.
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>>1307590
Yeah, that sort of thing is best left to its own vote. We need to formally establish what we're willing to trade with the Union and what we will ruthlessly extort them for (like anti aging spine pals).
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>>1307569
In addition to what the others have said, giving away something major like that is suspicious, and expensive on our part. We could sell terraforming perhaps. It'd stop them from being suspicious of such a massive gift, and could be worth a lot of resources, credits, favors, or political goodwill.
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>>1307590
Definitely seconding this.
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Oh I forgot Unity wants us to negotiate for peace.
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>>1307599
No he was willing to make peace but isn't forcing us to force the union to make peace
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>>1307599
>>1307600
IIRC he'd like peace, if only so he can gather information more easily without Union interference. But yeah, not a "force" or "demand" thing.
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>>1307591
Well terraforming Leto is most just means reactivating the core and Leto is where they mine valuable metals for industry.
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>>1307600
But we are forcing the Union to make peace, yes?
I think it's late and I'm getting confused.
This is ultimately something we're trying to do because we don't want them to be a rogue actor/thorn in our side when the real baddies get in gear against us, aye?
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>>1307590
Also would emphasize that we're not barbarians and can be reasoned with.
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>>1307607
No we are forcing the union to give us the expanse

We gave them unity message but that was something for later to discuss and between them and unity
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>>1307600
About that, I think we should shelve Union-Unity peace as a long term goal and address it more fully once we sort this expanse shitshow finished. For now we should set him up with an embassy in our space city once we built it and include his territory in what we claim as belonging to us we address the Union. Babby steps.
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>>1307609
Right, thank you.
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Regarding Unity/Theseus, I was thinking we could use "negotiate peace with Unity" as a bargaining chip in a counter-offer. Since we're basically a third party in the agreement and are immune to Unity infiltration, we'd be able to claim that we can help enforce it from both sides. This isn't something the Union had before, so it's worth something, I think.
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>>1307613
That's actually a great advantage that I hope we don't forget to use.
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>>1307394
Your mind passes over Lee as he jots down various lines and bullet points with a stylus on his data pad.

"I'm sure a lot of this will sound better coming from you, but I'll do what I can to make it sound as serious as it is." He says as he gets up. "We should probably head over. This schedule thing they gave me has them set to be in debate all day, so we can probably squeeze in around lunch." Your drone follows him as Lee wanders the halls for a short while, tailed by a number of your guards that fill the hallway behind him like a looming shadow in his wake, until he finds a map and makes his way to the main parliament building near the center of the massive complex. There is a cafeteria, largely empty save for a number of low ranking bureaucrats, personal assistants, and other individuals deemed unworthy of evacuation and telepresence. Lee examines the rather sparse offerings with a hint of nostalgia as your speaker examines a large vending machine, its claws running along its laminated plastic surface.

"Human nutrient vats are inconvenient. Poor access!" Your drone chirps as it claws at the buttons until a can flops out and your speaker struggles to pull it out from the dispenser clearly built to accommodate human hands. Eventually, it plucks it out and devours the drink, can and all, as Lee watches, attempting to hide is laughter as the bureaucrats watch in obvious terror. He finds a small bottle of iced tea and waits with your drone near the entrance to the parliament chamber where several guards stand nervously watching your warriors as they stand guard not far away as they cast their unblinking gaze towards random passing humans and send them quickly hurrying away in fright.

I think I'll need to end it here for tonight, if only because my internet keeps dropping and I just can't keep up. To make up for it I'll run a mid-week thread continuing in this thread this Tuesday night and just continue right where we left off here. Sorry.
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>>1307613
No, we ain't a neutral 3rd party, we showed them that we got good relations with the unity at what happened on nowhere

We did what we could by passing the message but it is in the union court about making peace with the unity

>>1307615
GG, And thanks for running

Frak we are intimidating, good for us though and will make our point accross
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>>1307615
>Eventually, it plucks it out and devours the drink, can and all
Wait, even speakers can eat metal?
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>>1307615
It's all right QD. I think calling it quits when it's this early is perfectly reasonable, thanks for running as much as you could.

Also, pic related, this is going exactly as desired.
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>>1307615
Aww, well thanks for running QD! It was a good thread, looking forward to the next one
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>>1307620
Our drones can eat ANYTHING if given enough time
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>>1307615
Thanks for running man, it's always appreciated.
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>>1307615
No need to apologise, it happens to us all
>Also, more cute speaker
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>>1307615
Man i expected the speaker to punch a hole in the can with one if it's fingers and just insert it's straw mouth in a unexpected motion of grace.
Thx for running QD.
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>>1307615
OMG AND A TUESDAY THREAD
Even if its a short one I love you to fucking bits. You are the greatest Questdrone
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>>1307498
kind of funny and really really really true and they tock a big fat turd in that house/grave and billions more
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>>1307615
Good luck o7

>>1307618
>we showed them that we got good relations with the unity at what happened on nowhere
1. Most people don't know about this, and they should keep not knowing about this. A lot of this political stuff is posturing for the masses.
2. Even if they know we have good relations, I fail to see how that's a negative. We're very clearly not trying to 100% screw the humans over, so we're not playing favorites.
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>>1307615
Thanks for running QD.
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>>1307508
that would make a good speatch
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>>1307631
We going to declare were taking the expanse, they will not see us in good light and trust will really need to be built up if we want to play host for peace talks since the masses will think we are out to screw them over even more
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>>1307615
thanks for running my favorite
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>>1307615
Thanks for running. Looking forward to Tuesday!

Keep staying awesome!
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>>1307615
Thanks for running, man. I love our speakers.
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>>1307631
>Posturing for the masses
>When we have already stated that if parliment denies us the expanse we will take it from them
>and that it won't be pretty
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I added Containment Fields to the talk page price list.
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>>1307687
Good job.
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Also, any ships that should be updated with Containment Fields? I can think of those that are designed to fight Scavengers, and the capital ships we want to have survive for as long as possible.
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>>1307613
>Regarding Unity/Theseus, I was thinking we could use "negotiate peace with Unity" as a bargaining chip in a counter-offer.

As Theseus has explicitly said, humans making the frankly enormous leap of trust in trusting that no Unity will NOT attack and they should totally let their guard down, will COST political capital, not gain it.

It would be something we're asking of them, not something they're asking of us. It's of negative bargaining value.
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>>1307815
I still say that the best way to go about it is to bypass the Union and have Theseus help the Commonwealth. They likely have less hangups and are more open to outside help right now. And once Theseus has a decent relationship with some humans, it will be tougher for the rest of the humans to simply claim he's crazy evil.
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>>1307940
>Theseus is my enemy but not officially
>They are helping out this other human group that I am at war with
>That makes him trustworthy

Nah.

A better way would be to float the idea of introducing the Skyl to the humans, and then mention something like "well, the Skyl are currently in the care of a machine intelligence they created ages ago" and then maybe mention that Heretic and Unity are Good Friends, so if the Union wants to be Good Friends with the Skyl, they should at least not be enemies with Unity.
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>>1308104
I would not put the Skyl anywhere near the human empires given their how they operate.
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>>1308104
not a terrible idea, but we'd want to wait until the humans had gotten used to and met the Skyl (and maybe Heretic) before linking them to the Unity. Otherwise, instead of boosting Theseus's reputation, it'll drag down the Skyl's.
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>>1308147
>>1308104
>>1307940
>>1307815
You know it be better to say we are willing to deal with Unity if they actually try to attack the Union unprovoked but before that it would be smart to say we will help end hostilities against humanity by Unity first. Act like we're the ones making sacrifices to get Unity to play nicely with the Union.
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I have a little market monopoly plan, it may be a little risky tought.
We should create an official hive company and alley with a valen clan, preferably with the rival of the one who Form Other is contracted and since hive technology is superior to most other tech we will pretty much monopolize the market. We could start selling the solid light entertainment systems.
Meanwhile Form Other will be supported by those who don't want to buy from bugs. I will be controlled by our human clones and sell slightly worse more human looking tech.If we play it right we can monopolize whatever market we enter.
Since we have no use for money it could be used for political pruposes, supporting organizations, or people we have deals with. Hire mercs for whatever pruposes, or buy rare animals for dissections, or tech we are interested in.
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>>1308180
I've heard QD say that valen are very paranoid businessmen, it's a good idea but don't expect the valen to not realize the trick.
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>>1308180
>>1309023
I already know better methods of since this plan is actually pretty weak mostly due to how slow and inefficient it is.
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Is anyone else really nervous about the Smith factory attack plan? If I remember correctly the Union knew about the attempt to free Lee before it happened and had him moved. They could have agents or bugs (heh) inside the cell we're joining.

The Union also has reason to suspect that the hive has had a hand in every major secret lab disaster to have occurred. Even if they don't anticipate another Hive attack, they will be looking very hard for evidence of our involvement after the fact. We would need to be extremely cautious not to leave any traces of Hive influence.

Given that, our plan currently has a lot of loose ends. We're giving hive tech (probably disguised) to a lot of unreliable humans we cannot control or self-destruct. Even worse, since they will be fighting Smiths, we will have to give Kent heavy weapons that may be more traceable to us. If any of Kent's men are captured they are only human and could rat us out.

I dunno what it is, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like something here stinks. If we fail it may look like the Hive sponsored terrorists to attack an anti AI research facility in order to help their insane robot buddy Theseus. It seems almost like our plan to embarrass the Union on Tanhauser, but in reverse. None of the intel from Kent has been independently verified...

I'm just concerned about how much we don't know here and how easily things could go extremely wrong...
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>>1309148
Well we do have simple option available to us. We could get a moderate relay to eat their minds or even bring these concerns to Kent.
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>>1309148
Well Path is going to be destroyed anyway so it should be easier to clean up any evidence during the chaos

But yeah it is a risk with kent, no denying especially with how much info he has on lyle which is suspicious itself

We need to ask Dil and Lyle about what they know about guy and his operation
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>>1309148
>>1309169
I know this kinda makes me That Guy but should we try getting a Whisper Drone down here to get some parasites in these guys?
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>>1309188
Path isn't going to destroyed, it'll sustain some damage though how much depends on how the Union handles it.
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>>1309190
I think for once employing a secret parasite agent may be the way to go. We will have a lot of advantages and a lot lower risk of detection by attempting this in the under city.

>>1309188
Yeah, Kent is a risk. As it stands Kent has a LOT of reasons to allow the Hive's involvement in this operation to be revealed. Anything that increases tensions between the aliens and the Union works to his benefit. A devastating alien invasion of the Union would do more to shatter their promise of peace and mutual security than his little terrorist cell ever could on its own.

I'm sure Kent wants the Smith plans as well, of course, but it's no skin off his back if the Hive is revealed in the process. We need a way to get more leverage on these guys or they will abandon us in a heartbeat when it suits their ends.
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>>1309293
I meant to get parasites into Kents team so they're less likely to betray us but I don't think we'd be able to get one to them in time anyways
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>>1309330
This is why we need a variant of the parasite with wings. We could send one with a couple of flies to help subdue or distract the target, and the parasite could fly right into him.
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>>1309870
That might detract from their other functions
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>>1309870
No we need to figure out how to miniaturize eggs and egg layers, so a fly can inject an egg that morphs into a full size parasite rapidly.
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>>1310264
dont we have a ovipositor that can injekt living creatures with parasitic eggs?
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>>1310295
Yeah, but it has to be on a medium drone
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>>1310305
Can the parasites self-destruct to the point of nothing more complex then trace molecules remaining?
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>>1310305
Maybe we should try to get some ghost beetles down here (or a similar drone) with the ovipositor upgrade. Have them stab the individual and memory wipe them later so the attack isn't discovered.

>>1310355
Yes
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>>1310412
That is exactly why I suggested the Whisper Drone. It has the ovipositor and the Phantoms stealth ability

But it's probably too late to get one down there in time for the mission
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>>1310489
Cant we just morph a drone into it like the chimera, and can the oviposition part be implanted as a weapon for our clones? Just replace armblades with a syringe full of parasites!
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>>1310489
We can always delay the mission. Our clones can claim it will take a while for their "employer" to get heavy weapons to the surface undetected, etc.

The whisper drone is from the wiki, not the pastebin, right? It looks like a pretty solid design. I'd feel okay with trying to sneak a few of them under the city.
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>>1310523
Slight update to the above. I'd add an advanced radio upgrade to the whisperer build. That way we can fake radio commands to isolate patrols and spoof the ID's those we ambush until they've recovered from implantation.
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>>1310489
>Phantoms stealth ability
Not until we finish Psionic Cloaking research and even then psionic cloaking is impractical on a drone for numerous reasons one of which being it can't communicate with the hive thus can't coordinate with us to sneak around mechanical surveillance devices.
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>>1310614
I disagree with you is most of what you said but yeah, it's all moot since it's not even unlocked yet so the Whisper drone idea isn't feasible.

We're just going to have to trust these anarchists not to betray us while infiltrating this super secret black-ops facility where they make terminators lol
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>"No, I'd prefer this be more accurate to what the Hive is asking. I don't think putting it through some political filter would help much when everyone already seems sick of political horse shit."

Especially since we're a damn alien, no one would believe a word if everything was carefully phrased using human political lingo, it would do nothing but cause distrust and spark conspiracy theories.
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>>1310640
I'm not sure why a bunch of ghost beetles with confusion/memory inhibition drugs carrying parasites wouldn't work for our purposes here. Especially if they're accompanied by flies.

Sometimes simple is better and it would save us new drone design debate.
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>>1310653
I only suggested the Whisper drone since I thought it had the Phantom cloaking and an ovipositor making it easy for it to get into the sewers and sting Kent and his jolly band of anarchists

A ghost beetle would likely work too

Or a swarm of flies, several of the flies carrying parasites

There are ways to parasite Kents team but I don't think we have the time to get the drones we need hatched or inserted onto Path.

And no, I wasn't trying to start a drone design debate since the Whisper drone has been designed for a while now (I'm pretty sure)
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I went back to check what our clones armed themselfs with here it's:

(4)Brawlers
- One Sonic shotgun (essentially a handheld sledge)

- One Plasma shotgun( little more than a low quality hand held plasma lance that lacks any pretense of a magnetic funnel)

- Four photon sabers (One for each Brawler)

- A set of compact armor for each one.

(1)Sharpshooter
- A set of semi-automatic rail pistols. (Decent caliber, quiet, weapons that can be calibrated to sub or hypersonic muzzle velocities, depending on the range and requirement of the situation. )
- A telescoping long barreled particle lance. (Essentially a hand held linear particle beam with a cyclotron attachment with several fusion cells as ammo.)

(1)Survivalist
- Small bag, filled with a variety of chemicals, rolls of tape, length of rope, and a number of containers holding various medical supplies.
- Several gas masks
- Old riot police uniform (Acquired on Gemini)
- Small short ranged machine pistol.
- Several small bags distributed across a mismatched set of weather gear across his body, planting a number of small knives in his boots and pockets as available.

(2) Techs
-Several machinery parts that can be used as components, or simple tools
- Kits useful in breaking through security systems or simply shorting out wiring in a controlled manner.
- Two small submachine gun. (One for each Tech)
-A small sidearm. (One for each Tech)
- Three EMP grenades (or at least things that they can use as EMP grenades, one seems to have once been a component to an aircar battery.)

This is the thread.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/47978791/#p47980639
Also aparently we have managed to deploy a concealed hive in path?
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>>1310757
We really need some way to construct equipment that resembles human tech.
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>>1310768
There was a thread a thread a while ago in which the Gemini taidens stole a 3D printer, we should have manufacturing capabilities by now.
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>>1310757
>Also aparently we have managed to deploy a concealed hive in path?
Oh, that makes things easier.
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>>1310774
I'm still checking on it. But, we did roll for it and got a 95.
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>>1310774
I checked apparently we rolled to smug a egg layer and 15 flies with our clones.

Don't know what we did with those.
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>>1310792
We set them up in a club.
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>>1310800
No i think that's the bedrock egglayer.
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>>1310800
Then this make thinks easier for our clones. If we lack in gear we can always use a account but i will make things to easy to be traced.
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I hope we don't have to roll for the speech.
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>>1310810
The way i think QD will do is. He's going to give us a write-in and then make us roll for it's effect. The DC will depend on what we want to pass for the humans, if we want then to fear us even more or if we want to calm then. I say we put the fear to the parliment and when we make the official interview we try to calm the masses.
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We have a time limit to run this op don't we?

Once kent finds out what we say to parliament he gonna be wary of making a deal with us after finding out were taking the expanse away from humanity
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>>1310816
He's never done anything like that before and frankly using dice for social encounters is asking for disaster.
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>>1310804
Ah, I think you're right actually. Sorry, it's been a while. I'm sure our flies and egg layers have still been busy in their own way, though. I'm actually glad QD removed most of the specific setup for hidden hives with the new streamlined method. It certainly makes things easier (and we can probably assume a setup somewhere on the planet).
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>>1310822
I mean, he's tripped every single "inevitable traitor due to narrative" flag so far so I think we should parasite/drop his ass as soon as we can.
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>>1310768
We can always buy it. Our fake company and Lyle have money. But i'm afraid of using Lyle's account and doing so, make people think he's in Tokyo
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>>1310833
Not traitor, he doesn't work for us

Alliance of convenience
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>>1310826
I guess we can only way and see it then.
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>>1310837
Basically yes, we're quickly making ourselves inconvenient to his goals, and he doesn't strike me as someone who minds cutting off an attached element (our mercs) if he thinks he can get something out of it for his goals.
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>>1310837
qbXs seems to be referring to the theory that Kent is in bed with the Union security forces, either knowingly or not, and is leading us into a trap with this Smith factory. The Union political establishment would love to say 'oh look the bugs are already inflitrating us at the highest levels' just before we make our demands with the Expanse.
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>>1310822
We are kicking the Union out of the expanse, not humanity. And it's only a few planets we really need in the expanse, not the whole thing. We are asking for it all so that we have the possibility of negotiate down from there and have the humans still think it's a "win".

We may have a time limit in that the Thing could escape or BQ creep could send the planet down the shitter, but for the moment a delay is likely not fatal to our plans, at least by my analysis.
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>>1310849
The masses will not tell the difference once word gets out

Every newsjockey and pol will be screaming that the bugs want all of humanity gone from the expanse and any humans left will be either bug food or turned into slaves

That how it will be spun by many groups in the union, there humans and we know how people will react to this given the times
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>>1310822
We are kicking Union out. The humans that want to stay can stay and we can negotiate with then about this. We can literaly give this guy what they want a free Tokyo 2. We don't want to rule humanity we just need planets to fight the void gods. Heck if humans want to leave the planet we can even offer help to transport then. Not they will trust us but we can give the offer so they can know it's a think that they can do.
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>>1310860
Fuck what the Union want or think. Fuck even more what the reporters say.LEt they say what they want we will show our real intent through actions.
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>>1310773
3D printer are actually pretty shit at constructing equipment to be honest in real life though I don't how good they are in this setting.
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>>1310860
>any humans left will be either bug food or turned into slaves

This is why we talk to the media directly and tell them, roughly:
"You fear the strong warriors. This is sensible. However, we are not common beasts and will not attack without good reason. We will not eat you because we are not barbarians, and because farming is a much more efficient source of nutrients. Also we have no interest in enslaving your race. It is far more interesting to observe your culture than to subjugate it. Humanity's eagerness to die and kill only for ideological reasons is fascinating. Good luck with your war with the Commonwealth!"
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>>1310874
Well our clones checked our ID cards and they didn't find anything wrong with it.
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>>1310773
The "3d printer" you're talking about is used to create IDs, not military hardware.
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>>1310882
QD didn't mention if the holographic 3D printer can do what the regular 3D printers can, but I'm going to assume they can.
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>>1310878
Then they cut up the footage and twist our words,
and bring a bunch of talking heads to blather on and on about our motives and lack of human whatever

We aint going to win any media war in the union after what we did

This is a lost fight
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>>1310893
We can hijack their streams again. The news organizations don't have a fleet.
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>>1310899
Also, there are thousands of news organizations, if we talk to most of them at once, I've got a feeling any distortions would be pretty obvious unless they all decided to collude. Why can't we at least give it an honest try? Why are we always assuming the worst without even trying?
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>>1310899
Yes wow we hijack there media

That seems real nice and friendly of us

Dude that makes the masses more terrified
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>>1310899
Should we do that anyways? Because that would bypass all of their traditional outlets. Although it'll spread faster of course.
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>>1310892
Well to put it into perspective 3D printed stuff tends to have shit durability.
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>>1310904
>>1310903
That's in case of the media outlets not wanting to play ball with us. Why don't we throw them the ball first and see if they tear it up before we start planning for more shadowruns? We've broken into government facilities, breaking into some news organization's office (or just parisiting them and making sure they don't do anything stupid again) would be trivial.

There's hundreds of ways this can play out, and we don't know how it could even go, so why just assume that we're going to be presented as the most evil thing since Unity?
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>>1310900
The commonwealth is openly an oligarchy and the union seems to be oligarchy trying to pretend to be a democracy

Would seem pretty stupid of them to not have some way of influencing their mass media, hell we saw the union do there lockdown and the commonwealth explaining making war pieces to improve morale to us since they thought we didnt understand

These are modern and professional nation states and will use the same tools and techniques on internal control
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>>1310900
I say fuck their media. We should be worried about aunt and her masters. But i might be bias since i like the Commonwealth humans more then i like the Union.
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Personally i don't think the union twisting our words so they can go to war with us will go as good as they think it will, they'll have to fight both us and the commonwealth, we have an advantage in industry and planetary warfare.
All we have to do is bleed their space fleet dry and get a foothold on the expanse planets, not to mention we can call unity and heretic for help at anytime.
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>>1310913
Because we just the scared the shit out of the union by dropping a fleet capable of wiping out there capital on there capital,

And now were going to tell them we taking the expanse and you think there going to comforted by that?

Man, seriously we did some hella dick moves to them and they know it, right now the leadership wants to ease tensions but the masses are scared out of there minds right now
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>>1310913
>so why just assume that we're going to be presented as the most evil thing since Unity?
Something about taking their claimed territory which they see as the future of their people.

But, yes, let's give them an honesty chance so we can see exactly what they do. They shouldn't be able to do too much damage before they've given us the excuse we need.
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>>1309148
Why does the Union have any reason to suspect that the Hive has had a hand in every major secret lab disaster to have occurred? We've been very thorough in our use of middlemen and deniability, primarily through Lyle and murderizing all witnesses.

As for Kent's plan with the Smith Factory...do you really think part of the reason he's having OUR guys go instead of his isn't for exactly the reason you mentioned? It serves his interests both in so far as avoiding getting his men killed, AND as a bonus our men are better suited to the task. That being said, it sounds to me like he plans on only our guys being the infiltrating team at the factory itself, his guys will run distraction duty elsewhere in the city so the risk of leakage is very much minimized. Furthermore the only equipment our guys will have that could be traced to the hive is their augs, and I'm going to guess that we have those wired for self-destruction just like the rest of our shit.
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>>1310913
Anon's like to especulate about things while waiting a thread. I found the best way to deal with it is just not responding then and wait until things happen. I don't see the advantage of planning for various possible out comes. But some anons do.
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>>1310929
We have Lee and showed him to the union

And lyle was part of that op to rescue him

So yeah they ain't stupid and put 2 and 2 together

Dont think they now about us blowing up the mirage though
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>>1310923
>And now were going to tell them we taking the expanse and you think there going to comforted by that?


If they don't want to be blow up? Yes. Fortunantly this is a thing for the inner circle to decide not the masses.
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>>1310934
>Dont think they now about us blowing up the mirage though.
They now know we're the only other faction with stealth capabilities so thy probably do.
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>>1310938
There is limits to the inner circle ability to control things, they can not ignore the will of the masses to such a degree so openly like this

There a reason they did there ops in the dark and behind layers of nation security bullshit
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>>1310929
>I'm going to guess that we have those wired for self-destruction just like the rest of our shit.
Nope
>>1310919
>We should be worried about aunt and her masters.
You know I think we don't need to worry about them working together since the Black Queen's entire role in the Void religion is to be Satan. She's literally controlled opposition for the Ceph at this point.
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>>1310929
We also have a egg layer and 15 flies with our clones. We didn't get the chance to deploy then since we went straight to the meeting place.

IF we have our worries we can do our own scout mission so we can plan for any inevitable betrayal
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>>1310943
Then we blow their capital and leave the commonweathl to deal the deathing blow while we take the expanse.
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>>1310929
Lets list the lab disasters, shall we:

1. Hive escapes from containment, murders Steiner, and forces them to nuke their own base.

2. Suspected hive agent Lyle breaks into a psionics research facility and frees Lee. Lee is later made the human ambassador for the hive.

3. A massive combined fleet of Hive and Theseus forces assault the Nowhere facility and prevent the release of the void God.

4. A suspected hive drone escapes from containment and re-enacts The Thing.

Hell, they could even suspect we were involved in Theseus's escape.

5. An AI goes rogue and starts killing humans. The AI is later revealed to be allied with strange aliens. One of the lead scientists involved in the creation of the AI is also allied with the same aliens.
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>>1310893
Agreed, it would be rather easy for them to make us out as the bad guys no matter what we say. Most people are instinctively scared of both bugs and heavily armed strangers making demands.

So if we want good media we have to convince the union leaders that it would be best to be friends. They already know that fighting us with guns would be bad. Maybe if we convince them that we only share our sweet tech with friends they will play ball.
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>>1310950
Yeah, lets wipe out half of human civilization. Piece of cake
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>>1310950
>Then we blow their capital.
Let's not do that.
Yet.
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>>1310955
Well if they make it too easy you can't blame us for taking advantage of them...
They'd do the same to us.
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>>1310934
Thanks for the reminder, that makes sense.
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>>1310955
To be honest with our tech we could wipe out a few systems within a week. That's assuming QD can handle it though.
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>>1310958
>half of human civilization
I said blow the current planet, and this isn't just "human civilization" it's the Union. Think like this the Union and Commonwealth are two great empires, the planet's work as states for this empire. So what i'm saying is, by blowing up one planet, although it's quite a populated one, won't be the same as killing half of humanity there are other planets with humans from the Union beside those in the expanse.

>>1310958
That is only if they refuse our demands
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>>1310967
The Union is half of human civilization. Wipe out the capital, and it is as good as dead because it will fall into anarchy and be easy pickings for any faction
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>>1310969
Mate that's not how wars work.
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>>1310969
Worst case scenario that half of humanity dies, slightly good scenario is we get a lot of new children.

I'm down for this jig.
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>>1310969
if anything the power of the Union would probably switch to Mentan or Talgo

Or just break down into their own nation-states independent of each other
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>>1310969
Well, saying like that then it only makes sense for then accept our demands. I ain't worried about whipping out some humans.
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>>1310952
2.
Since when was Lyle a suspected hive agent? He is, in fact, supremely not. That's why we used him as a lure for the fucks on Aral.
1.
The Hive escaping from containment, to be fair, was clearly us but it's also obvious what happened (we broke containment, we didn't gather intel on the site and infiltrate it) and we killed EVERYONE not just Steiner.
3.
The only real and confirmed instance of us having unexplained intel sources.
4.
Again, a breach of containment. Judging by the rate it happens to them with Hive-type bioforms I'm sure this sort of thing happens to the Union all the time.
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>>1310973
Useless children

Gonna do a lot of recycling I think
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>>1310982
We have the facilities for training and tech the let's us upload knowledge you know. The only part of them that is truly valuable is their unique view point.
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>>1310947
Just so it won't be loss in discussion and any anons need a reminder.

>We have a egg layer and 15 flies with our clones. We didn't get the chance to deploy then since we went straight to the meeting place.

This is our clones current gear: >>1310757
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>>1310982
>>1310989
also genocide is bad mkay
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>>1310993
it's a very bad PR move
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>>1310993
I'm pretty sure we killed off all non-productive life on the surface of Leeland
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>>1310993
One because its seems like the mind set that we have developed since we hatched and two,because it removes forces that could be launched against the enemy.
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>>1310995
No we didn't.
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>>1310995
No we didn't?

We're purposely keeping it at 50% development to prevent that. Unless I missed the vote for that
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>>1310989
Most of them are useless peons to us, only a small percentage are usefull for science

I dont see the use in keeping cashiers/banker/plumbers/politicians/sub-par warriors etc

Humanity isn't really that super k

>>1310993
if done sloppy it is
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>>1310995
No we didn't. we have yet to go past 50 Development.
Also that reminds me, let's build those nature reserves.
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>>1310999
>>1311001
>>1311003
That's why I said pretty. I had no confirmation, but I thought that had happened
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>>1311003
We don't need to until we go over a certain amount.
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>>1311002
Humans in the Expanse are going to get the chance to live in a post-scarcity world were most if not all needs are going to be taken care of by the Hive (and likely Unity).

This is all assuming the Void doesn't win and they survive the Obsidian Hive and/or Ceph attacks
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>>1311002
You really have no idea how inspiration and creative works for humans do you? Even the average non-scientist humans can advance tech for us if you paid attention to this quest.
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>>1311008
Why the fuck would we or the unity do that?

We are our own species with our own needs and didn't read the memo stating we are supposed to be the babysitters
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Who here watches The Expanse?
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>>1311008
>>1311010
I think you guys are too into humanity fuck yeah

We are playing as a different species so hive comes first, not humanity
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>>1311012
Got the map open in another tap if that's what you mean.
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>>1311011
Actually Theseus would if he could.
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>>1311017
No he would just watch

He never said he would want to be a babysitter
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>>1311011
Because of our motherly protective nature, anon

Everything we do is For Mother. Don't you want the rest of the Galaxy to Do Things For Mother?

>>1311013
I'm saying like, the opposite of "Humanity Fuck Yeah"

This whole quest has been one long string of "Humanity Fuck What Are You Doing?"

Time for the Hive to show them how to get shit done

>>1311017
And yeah, Theseus fucking loves humanity and wants to protect them as a whole even if it means a few space stations and exploratory colony ships have to be zapped
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Here's a thought, what if we walk back our request for the Expanse to be a long-term lease for, say, 15 years, where at the end we leave the planets as terraformed?
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>>1311013
I very much agree however you have no real understanding of Hive weaknesses vs the other races beyond the basics.
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>>1310979
>>1310934
Aah, yeah they can make that connection. I digress.

>>1310941
They may suspect we have stealth capabilities, but don't know for sure.

>>1310946
Well did we have the foresight to put the acid implant in our clones for this mission? Because it'll annihilate the augmetics as well.

>>1311024
I don't see that going over well among the players (and reasonably so, if a planet is ours it should stay ours). We should definitely hold our terraforming techs as a potent bargaining chip though, it would make giving up the expanse a much less bitter pill.
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>>1311022
Please being a nanny state makes surveillance ridiculously easy.
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>>1311024
No.
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>>1311026
>>1311030
Your deflecting

You really just want to babysit the humans dont ya?
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>>1311039
Its not like we don't have an infinite attention span
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>>1311011
>>1311013
I also don't want to baby sit them but if they don't leave we should make them useful to us. IE, they can govern themselves so long as it doesn't interfere with us and if they choose to stay in our territory we're gonna need some quid pro quo.

If not then we'd just be leaving them alone on the select planets while we develop what we need, which has its own problems.
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>>1311011
Because humanity was mutated by mother so in a way they are part of her legancy. And it will send good rep to the Commonwealth, since we are allied with then.
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>>1311024
That's actually a pretty good idea, although I'd phrase it differently.

I'd say that the hive demands the elimination of a Union government presence for at least 1 year so we can secure all artifacts in the region. At the end of the year period the human/non hive alien populations of the planet can hold a referendum on whether they want to stay under hive dominion, or would like to rejoin the Union.

We shouldn't offer this right off the bat, though. We can be talked into it as a "compromise"
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>>1311028
>>1311037
Well, my reasoning was that 15 years would be long enough to either win the conflict against OQ or take back enough other worlds that we wouldn't need the expanse anymore as it would grow marginally less important. Since we're much more capable of running an interstellar single entity than the humans, we'd be able to function from any number of places at once, we don't need contiguous territory.

I'm not saying we should, it's just a though.
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>>1311046
>mutated by mother so in a way they are part of her legacy

In another timeline we'd be using this as a reason to adopt them in totality. Honestly, the Union is pretty lucky this isn't that timeline.
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>>1311039
You literally derailed the conversation into this. And truth be told hibernation is still a thing any way so we don't even need to kill them to prevent drain on our resources. Of course with your argument we might as well kill Lee since he literally doesn't offer anything valuable.
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>>1311011
Making friends is different to babysitting. Having no friends is boring.
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>>1311051
The way you said it anon make it sound that being accepted in the "family" is a bad thing...
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>>1311049
>>1311050
I'd prefer going to war than this idea.
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>>1311050
It's a nice thought, perhaps we could persuade anons that we would allow human settlements on terraformed worlds in systems that haven't had any ancient artifacts discovered. Provided they supply us with a relatively affordable down payment to cover the costs of terraformation.

You could probably get anons to go for something along those lines, depending on how the Union reacts to our speech and how much we need to yield.
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>>1307615
Lee and your drone stand by the door as the few human bureaucrats begin to file out of the area, almost chased by the small guard force of warriors that watch over them obsessively until they leave, the drones finding the limitation of not being permitted to kill anything in an area highly distressing. A holoscreen shows several local news channels floating above the now vacant tables as several humans argue over a muted background footage of the Parliament building.

"There are no solid reports so far, you have no way of knowing anything about these things!" One says, replying to some unheard statement she finds disagreeable. She is a somewhat elderly looking woman, but responds with surprising gusto. The other human across the table, a younger man with a comb-over in a cheap suit, shouts back, attempting to speak over her until she finishes.

"But we can infer a lot of things! Behavior tends to be a rather straightforward science. Aliens still evolve to survive, even if they do so in ways that create inhuman moral structures! If anything, it gives us an even more detailed analysis of them because we can point to biological differences and behavioral quirks resulting from their biological imperatives." He says. "And these are very clearly similar to superorganisms common on just about every world with life. A superorganism which has advanced its collective intelligence and biology to a point of interstellar travel."

"Yes, intelligence, meaning they are capable of reason and abstract thinking. So far our first contact has had less bloodshed than humanity's first contact with either of the other two intelligent species we've encountered. I would say they seem more socially intelligent than humanity given their clear restraint."

"No!" The man shouts back. "Communal intelligence, we're talking about communal intelligence. When a bunch of ants get together they start to work towards the same goal, but no single ant is capable of comprehending the totality of its actions or the actions of the colony, and its overall actions are still inherently instinctive, a set reaction to stimuli that facilitates its survival no matter the cost. These bugs don't think, they react to stimuli. The Hive at large likely process so much information it becomes something akin to thinking, just like an AI or any other sufficiently advanced machine, but frankly I find the idea of a bug that thinks to be offensive!" The two continue to shout in circles as Lee sighs, and one of the guards taps the side of his helmet to listen to something, and then opens the door with a swipe of his hand on the side terminal.

"You can go on in, they're ready for you." He says.

Cont.
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>>1311059
Theyisn't going tp make friends

They want to put parasites in and remove any agency and control from there lives

There not people after that just drones

Friends can only be made with other people not drones
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>>1311065
This ones better, as long as we own the expanse I'll be happy.
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>>1311064
Really it depends on if the Union wins the war with the Commonwealth or not. If the Union loses we get to keep the territory.
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>>1311062
They have a tendency to see it that way prior to adoption.
Maybe it really just is down to how we sell it, people make regularly incredible privacy concessions in NDA & terms agreements, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to have multiple large groups of humans advocating the benefits of spine buddies on their own. Then again, it could just not be worth the paranoia it will give them.

>>1311067
IT BEGINS
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>>1311064
Why? We still get all the planets in the end, there's no way the Union will win a referendum with our mind control abilities even if we don't directly adopt everyone. And by the time a year is past the campaign will either be over or we will be stupidly powerful anyway.
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>>1311067
Hell yes

The first starship troopers movie was good

The rest of them were just plain horrible, but that CGI show was good
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>>1311073
>Really it depends on if the Union wins the war with the Commonwealth.
Not really, the union-commonwealth war just started so depending on when we start our war they'll be fighting on 2 fronts.
>>1311080
We'll get the planets for a limited time, that's my problem.
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IT BEGIIIIIIIIINS
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>>1311067
They're literally arguing if we are sentient or not.
I can't wait till they realize we uplifted their species.
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>>1311084
>We'll get the planets for a limited time, that's my problem.
Yeah, but it's long enough to get a bunch of other planets from OQ. There's nothing that makes the Expanse special (well, aside from the artifacts, and sentimental value of Raligha), one planet's as good as any other. If it prevents SPACE WAR NOW REEEEEE with the humans, it might be a good compromise.
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>>1311084
But it is effectively getting the planets forever because we will win the referendum. And even if we don't at that point we can just say "tough luck", keep the planets anyway, and dare the Union to take them. We don't have to be honest.
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>>1311067
>mfw when we are literally both and at the same time none of those things.
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>>1311090
I think the difficulty would be in convincing them that we'll honor the long term agreement.

Say they believe us.
Even then, it depends on how our war progresses, and we're already straight up telling them that this war has been going on for millennia. They can put 2 and 2 together well enough to shatter our argument even if it's the most honest and most true one they've ever been given in their lives.
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>>1311090
Why people keep refering the humans from Union as Humanity as a whole?
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>>1311088
Lets not drop that yet. Maybe after we send in a speaker to talk to them in a non bugged room we should drop it in passing and see how they react
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>>1311067
>but frankly I find the idea of a bug that thinks to be offensive!"

He did notice the bugs are significantly larger and have more space for individual problem-solving thinky parts, right?
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>>1311093
Ah, didn't notice your idea to use mind control to win referendums. A good idea but i still prefer >>1311065
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>>1311096
So in that case it would be a stupid argument it the first. Got it.
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>>1311065
Didn't see your post. That is actually a good idea. i would support it at least.
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Just a thought but what if we mention the Smith used to attack the Hive in the speech.
Just as a side note have the speaker state that further use of Cyborg assassins against the Hive will be seen as an act of aggression.
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>>1311065
It's worth putting forward for the barter phase if we get that far for sure.
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>>1311098
Bad generalization, and for 80% of the quest "Union" and "humanity" were more or less synonymous since we hadn't interacted with the Commonwealth at all. I'll try to avoid it.

>>1311096
We're backed into a corner. There's nowhere else to go. All other systems we've explored in the vicinity are taken by OQ. The Expanse is the only untapped region of resources that we can easily get at. Either we (the Red Hive primarily) stand and fight or all life in this sector gets eaten. This includes Theseus and Heretic: remember when Theseus tried to talk to OQ and she just attacked him? Remember when OQ (or the void gods, it was unclear) destroyed the Skyl the first time?

The easy access to untapped resources in a safe place is the entire reason we're looking to get the expanse. There's nothing special about them as far as resources go! We desperately need the resources so that we can start taking over OQ worlds. Once we start taking OQ worlds, the worlds we already have become less important as the contribute less of a percent of our entire income.
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>>1311065
I just realized we could also let humans who invest enough in those planet to name them.
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>>1311067
Wow I think from the hives perspective a self'destructive borderline suicidal society that the humans have would be more offensive
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>>1311112
The Smith are considered a conspirancy theory idea we could however lay it out and once we attack that corporation on Path we can leek their research to the internet. We can just mention the nukes above our world.
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>>1311112
While we do have a shitton of dirt on the Union, and they have little on us, any bringing-to-light of THOSE sorts of black ops in a public forum will automatically set all of the Union's Officials (though not necessarily the people) against us. At that point they have no reason to play by the rules, because we aren't and that's no good for anyone.

Gotta play the game if you want to win. That particular threat is best made behind closed doors.
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>>1311115
Anon I know all of that already, those facts have nothing to do with the Union having good humor for us at this moment or long enough to get what we want for the time being.
Anyway, the speech is happening.... we'll see the results of our initial volley and move on from there.
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>>1311112
I think that's a bit on-the-nose since it confirms the conspiracy theories of the Smiths, which is something the Union has gone to great lengths to keep hidden. Maybe if Killinger doesn't cooperate we can threaten to mention the Smith in public broadcast.

What I'm saying is that our keeping the Smith a secret is a bargaining chip against the security council.
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>>1311122
We should say this in passing.
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>>1311115
Your argument is shit in the context of the situation we are intending to describe. Get over it.
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>>1311124
Don't we still have the body, though the nukes are something we should bring up.
>>1311125
I think we should at least hint that we have some dirt since the Union hasn't played by the rules since they found us.
>>1311128
As the other anon mentioned theirs also the nukes they put over Leeland, I think we can really strong arm them with all they shit they've failed at.
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>>1311132
We kinda blow it up when Union tried to retake it.
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>>1311131
You're not the only one who gets to have a say, but I do like your palindrome digits.

>>1311132
>Don't we still have the body
We've got a charred corpse from the first time they sent one to Leeland (or maybe we got rid of it, it's been a while) and we've got a head that we're doing science to alongside Theseus.

>>1311133
We can still mention the nukes. Just because we destroyed the satellite doesn't mean we don't know what was in it. Hell, they all had serial numbers. I'm sure some thinker remembers them.
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>>1311137
>We can still mention the nukes. Just because we destroyed the satellite doesn't mean we don't know what was in it. Hell, they all had serial numbers. I'm sure some thinker remembers them.
We can also use our hologram tech to display an exact blueprint of the satellite and point out it's nuclear payload shaped cavity.
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>>1311137
Yeah the first Smith got a nice Plasma Spray shower when it tried to kill one of our first Colossus Drones
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Aww man. It's a shame we can't use the best of our hardlight and mimic bio/tech to enhance our speech, bragging bells and shining whistles etc.
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>>1311137
To be fair, the nukes were not a hostile move, we would have done the same, or worse (mind control). Complaining about that is just petulant.
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>>1311137
Hmm good point. Then the nukes are still something we can put on the table.
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>>1311132
True, they've really tried to dick us over. We should certainly mention some of it, but I think that the satellite-with-nukes is as far as we should go in public. Maybe a line about "and other, worse things aside."

But really governments do horrible things to each other as a matter of course. If we want our blackops, should they ever be discovered or suspected, to have a relative lid on them then we need to make sure we keep a relative lid on what the Union's done to us.
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>>1311137
Heck we don't even need to do that the whole fiasco that got lee in trouble was the union willfully conducting a black ops on what they thought was a technology inferior race and what amounted to a terrorist attack
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>>1311143
>>1311150
Yes, let's do this.
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>>1311147
I could be wrong but I also remember that Seiners big goal/cover to the Union for experimenting with the Hive was to figure out how to control Worker Drones as a potential source of slave labot
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>>1311145
I wanted to bring the white crystals and use then as video camera, just to show we do have a familiarity with the crystals and to make the humans thinking we use the crystal as camera or radios.
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>>1311147
That's politics, Anon. Countries complain of spying when they themselves also spy, that's the way it is.
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You know we should mention at some point that the Black Queen destroyed 5 unity server ships in her first contact with Unity, just to put her prespective how powerful she is.
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>>1311154
Yes, he said it's to figure out a method of taking control of "Rouge drones" but we know even if such drones existed they wouldn't stop at that.
By the way the paper where he said that is viewable to the public, although it's only widely known on that science planet it won't be hard to mention it in passing so people go looking for it.
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>>1311161
I think this has the chance to back fire on us. What i'm saying is this might make the humans to see the other bug race as a way to destroy us.
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>>1311166
Oh damn, you're right

Mentan must be going crazy right now. A shame we don't have a Pod or anything there
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>>1311157
Let's do that, I'm sure we can have a worker deliver it.
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>>1311166
Now that i think about it. Was it common knowledge for the other leaders of Union's inner-circle that Seiner was the head engennier of the facility that blew up?

I think we can use that to convince the leaders of how bad Killinger fucked up.
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>>1311157
It'd be pretty cool.

>>1311166
>>1311154
Completely forgot about that little fact.
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>>1311168
>What i'm saying is this might make the humans to see the other bug race as a way to destroy us.
Didn't we tell them we're also fighting them? They should certainly know after that brief attack we helped repel.
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>>1311184
I'm saying it might make then think in a alliance with BQ's. Because of the old saying "Enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Because i don't remember if the Union forces on Tokyo attacked her forces with ours.
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Okay, here's how I think we should do the speech.

>The Red Hive wants territory. There are two reasons behind this. One, the Red Hive is currently at war for the sake of all sentient life, including humans. We require resources. [Explain war here]
>Second, you've been a bunch of dicks. You've put nukes in our orbit, stolen our people, kidnapped, experimented on, and almost killed Lee, the Hive's friend, and other things in that vein.
>Your populations in the region can remain. They will be responsible for their own government, and we will, essentially, ignore them unless they are threatened or start acting up.
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>>1311192
>Because i don't remember if the Union forces on Tokyo attacked her forces with ours.
They did, they most likely won't try diplomacy with her since their first meeting was an immediate attack.
And even if they do try to send a diplomacy ship we have scouting pods on OQ's systems so we can intercept.
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>>1311080
>with our mind control abilities
>that require establishing stealth hives on every planet
>in the espionage crunch system that isn't implemented yet

I don't think we'll gain the ability to brainwash the humans en masse that quickly at this rate.
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>>1311197
+1, but add the historical reason as well
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>>1311197
We should avoid voicing our necessity of the expanse to fuel our war, they'll try to get more from us.
Everything else is fine though.
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>>1311197
Just a little edit to make it better.

>The Red Hive wants territory. There are two reasons behind this. One, the Red Hive is currently at war for the sake of all sentient life, including humans. We require resources. [Explain war here, do not mention Void Gods or Ceph, Only BQ's]

>Second, you've been a bunch of dicks. You've put nukes in our orbit, stolen our people, kidnapped, experimented on, and almost killed Lee, the Hive's friend, and other things in that vein.

>Your populations in the region can remain. They will be responsible for their own government, and we will, essentially, ignore them unless they are threatened or start acting up.
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>>1311208
No. Fuck off with this aggressive shit now is the time to sound reasonable.
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>>1311197
Looks good, although I'd add in a section about how the artifacts there may be so extremely dangerous the humans risk their own extinction by experimenting on them.
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>>1311211
That isn't aggressive. Aggressive is
>GIVE US YOUR PLANETS OR WE SLAUGHTER EVERYONE IN THEM AND TAKE THEM FOR OURSELVES!!!!
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>>1311197
I wonder if this will eventually spur various refugee territories in the expanse. Thinking, something like rogue colonizers, if they presume the territory will both be outside Union jurisdiction but Hive protected. Only mentioning because didn't think of it before.
Might b interesting.

>>1311218
>>1311202
These absolutely as well.
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>>1311218
This bit is good, add it in.
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>>1311218
Backing this great idea
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>>1311223
>>1311217
Meant to link to artifact danger, not the brash aggression, for obv. reasons etc.
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>>1311223
>I wonder if this will eventually spur various refugee territories in the expanse. Thinking, something like rogue colonizers, if they presume the territory will both be outside Union jurisdiction but Hive protected. Only mentioning because didn't think of it before.
That would be ironic, the union takes in ceph refugees while the hive takes in union refugees.
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>>1311067
Lee and your speaker move through the door, and Lee turns to your warriors as they move close behind.

"You just wait here, alright? No need for warriors to be anywhere close to the cameras, you know?" He says. Your warriors halt just inside the small hallway, huddling together as Lee and your drone move down the hall into a small chamber where a number of humans stand. Several of them quickly pull Lee closser and begin examining his suit and adjusting his hair. One of them takes the bottle of tea as others carefully pick at his nails and apply a layer of makeup as he protests in aggravation.

"Does the speaker require additional decoration?" Your drone asks, one of the assistants glances up quickly.

"No need, only need this level of attention to detail when you have a species watching that will notice. Unless you want to impress some lucky bug you know will be watching from back home?" The assistant says, he digs in a drawer before pulling out several large brushes and hands them to several interns. "See if you can get the fur sorted out." He says, and then listens to something in his earpiece. "One minute fifty!" He shouts to the room.

The man turns back to Lee, looking over his face closely as he inspects the layer of makeup. "This is standard television style, if you have a prefered style you can add on."

"What, more?" Lee asks, his hand being slapped away as he tries to rub some off instinctively.

"Mascara is big for men on Havensky, you know." The man says. "Do the aliens make moisturizer? You don't have much to cover up." He ads as waves off the other assistants and listens to something in his ear. "Alright, go up through the doors here and wait for them to introduce you, the bailiff will walk you in." He says, and waves Lee through another door. He turns to your speaker with the same gesture as it purrs softly at the three humans running the brushes through its decorative fur. They rush back to the wall and your drone quickly follows after Lee.

The hallway itself is rather poorly lit, apart from a number of lights along the floor set against the walls. A hologram showing various readouts of Parliament's activities for the day hover in the air, showing them currently resuming after some short recess and a committee meeting for one of the many different caucuses. A valen can be seen lying on a hovering trailer, slowly being towed off the speaking floor and into a large stadium sized vomitorium that seals itself closed as it leaves, and then the small lights along the floor turn green, and being flashing in a slow strobe pattern. The hologram dims and the door opens as you hear an artificial voice blandly announce over the chamber's intercom.

"Introducing representative Ryan Lee on behalf of Extrasolar Alien Government and accompanying ambassadorial envoy."

cont.
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>>1311218
It sounds like we are holding a grudge there so yes it sounds like a like a typical politician preparing to lash out at someone else.
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>>1311224
>>1311223
>>1311226
>>1311230
I was saying we shouldn't do that. I was just outlining the aggressive argument we could theoretically pull in a reductio ad absurdum argument
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>>1311218
Actually this would be better said from a speaker wearing a hooded robe while holding a photon sword in one hand and a levitating whatever on the other.
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>>1311211

Look what you did.
>>1311224
>>1311226
>>1311223
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>>1311229
Are they making lyle into a clown?
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>>1311233
I was talking about the original speeches you guys came up with.
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>>1311229
>purrs softly at the three humans running the brushes through its decorative fur.
GOD DAMN
Our children are the cutest.

>>1311233
>>1311238
That was a mislink on my part, but you did it to yourself.
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>>1311229
>your speaker with the same gesture as it purrs softly at the three humans running the brushes through its decorative fur.

Daaaaww!! Our diplomat is so cute!
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>>1311229
>Extrasolar Alien Government
I guess we should specify that we are the Red Hive, huh.
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>>1311240
>Lyle

You mean Lee anon?
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>>1311218
Makes sense.
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>>1311229
>Extrasolar Alien Government
Have we... not given them a proper name to call?
Or are they just sandbagging us?
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>>1311262
Yeah lee

Think something going to happen during the speech?
Thinking assassination or Killinger bullshit
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>>1311265
Considering its our first time talking to a news out lit im gonna go with the former
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>>1311265
We never actually gave them a name now that I think of it.
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>>1311265
It's more polite then be called "The Alien Bug race."
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>>1311229
Our speaker drone better be using bipedal legs to walk in.
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>>1311279
Hope so. Our medium drones are very tall when they stand up.
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>>1311279
>>1311285
Yeah I'm pretty positive the Speaker we've had hanging out with Lee was the Ambassador brand of Speaker with the bipedal legs
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>>1311291
Do we even have any of the old non bipedal speakers anymore?
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>>1311296
I hope not those were terrifying
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>>1311297
To the Union humans, maybe. All of mother's children are beautiful!
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>>1311296
I think our ambassador drones have bipedal, and our speakers just have regular endurance legs.
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>>1311297
They were the same as our new speakers, just they are more steady on 4 feet and cant stand up without falling over
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Aren't our Ambassadors basically Short Luminoths?
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>>1311229
You still having captcha problems?
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>>1311229
>"Do the aliens make moisturizer? You don't have much to cover up."
The powers of being surgery'd in a bio-tank and sleeping in a cocoon.
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>>1311315
>>1311315
And a Spine-buddy
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Actually i just checked the talk page and apparently it's the ambassador drone that doesn't have bipedal legs while our regular speaker(Moth Speaker) does. The moth speaker also has wings and the FUCKING SELF DESTRUCT GLAND.
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>>1311326
Ha. That's very unfortunate for someone if this goes as south as it can.

What are the finite odds of a rogue party trying to sabotage this to spark conflict between us and the Union?
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>>1311331
Or the Union acting like a rogue party trying to sabotage this to spark conflict between us and the Union
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>>1311331
I dunno, i'm just pissed that the old speaker design has self destruct while the other one doesn't.
Also what do people think about upgrading every speaker with a moderate relay to give them fancy powers?
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>>1311229
>He turns to your speaker with the same gesture as it purrs softly at the three humans running the brushes through its decorative fur.
kek
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>>1311341
Ah, it's the moth speaker, that's good.
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>>1311341
I wonder if the humans thought it was cute or terrifying? What dose a drones purr sound like?
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I still say moth speakers should squeak
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>>1311350
I recall QD said their vocal cords are like parrots so they should be able to make squeaks and more.
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>>1311229
The empty seats within the room flicker with holograms as the images of various representatives flicker and twitch into focus. You find Alder's seat, her image a rather obvious but polite collage of her head onto a motionless replica body that sits with perfect posture, the slight hint of a medical device clamped on her neck fizzling into nothing as the tube extends past the camera's range. You find Killinger's seat on the other side of the chamber, his image leaning back slightly, clipping into the seat with a layer of flickering light as his own posture is further back than the projecting seat of his Parliament chair allows. He watches the both of you closely as the bailiff escorts Lee and your drone up a small isle to a podium near the center that emerges from the ground, the entire speaking floor a semi-modular surface that seems capable of forming a stage or speech platform suitable for nearly any culture or species, the obvious pneumatic lifts for Valen speakers, and a small circular platform for Taidaren, commonly translated as a "speech pole" often used by taidaren females by coiling around it to 'stand' in an artificially upright posture for extended durations, as well as a number of lines and seams where the floor could open and unfold into various configurations for hosting votes, smaller caucus meetings, and the occasional local school field trip visit.

Above, a ball of projected light forms into an image of Lee's upper body, your speaker hovering behind and to the side, as a number of short holo cameras extend from poles in the floor around the podium. The synthetic voice drones on again.

"First Speaker of Parliament, Representative Nathaniel Holst of Gemini has the floor." An old, balding man with thick glasses that stream lines of text across his eyes stands up, his image coming into clear, colorized focus as his microphone comes to life.

"The floor of Parliament today recognizes a motion filed by the alien government colloquially known as simply 'the Hive', which shall be marked as read by all for the purposes of debate, and will be officially pushed forward by their selected representative to the Union of Independant Colonies. The summary of proposition six five seven, passed on by Secretary of State Neville Morgen, is the immediate secession of all settled worlds within the Expanse, and the transfer of their sovereignty to that of the Hive. Do I have that correct, mr. Ambassador?" He says, Lee hesitates for a moment.

"Yes, that sounds like the gist of what was said to Morgan."

"Alright then. You will have the floor to provide the detailed summary of your client and benefactor's motion, and we will move on to questions. Any discrepancies in language or meanings of terms falls upon your responsibility to ensure all translations accurate between both parties." He says, reading a script from his glasses. "If that is acceptable to you, you have the floor." He says, and sits down.

"Yes, and thank you." Lee says.
cont.
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>>1311347
Must sound like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdAeMINjOQ
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>>1311350
>>1311355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25SfbT5pvUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITh0TgJ8a6Y

Moths already squeak
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>>1311355
Which is odd because parrots do not have vocal cords, and the range of sounds they can make is due to their ability to change the depth and shape of their trachea with special muscles.
Which can squeak.
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>>1311355
>Speaker starts making realistic sound effects like a train moving, a gunshot, camera clicks and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOFy8QkNWWs
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>>1311362
HERE WE GO, BABY.
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>>1311362
Killinger aint here?

What is he planning?
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>>1311362
The hype just BUILDS.
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>>1311376
>You find Killinger's seat on the other side of the chamber, his image leaning back slightly, clipping into the seat with a layer of flickering light as his own posture is further back than the projecting seat of his Parliament chair allows. He watches the both of you

He's. He's just trying to stay as far away from view as possible.
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>>1311389
Fucker doesn't know shit about compound eyes.
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>>1311389
As a hologram? yeah he planning something that going to bite us
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>>1311362
You know from what they said, we could probably get the medical lobbies on the side of Prop 657 if we say we'll put them out of business if we DON'T get the planets.

Some Valen would love to help outcompete the human hospitals.
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>>1311393
Nah, most of the VIP's have been evacuated due to the invasion fleet in orbit. I mean, I'm sure Killinger is planning something because that is always the case, but I suspect he will not do something too stupid here lest he paint an even bigger target on himself.
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>>1311403
Even if he was I think we have enough black ops on the planet to stop anything hes planning if we keep our out for problems
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>You find Alder's seat, her image a rather obvious but polite collage of her head onto a motionless replica body that sits with perfect posture, the slight hint of a medical device clamped on her neck fizzling into nothing as the tube extends past the camera's range.

Dam Alder is in a bad shape, wonder what she would be willing to give up to be in perfect health in time for the election...
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>>1311416
Oh sweet jesus imagine the smear campaign on a politician getting a life extension plan from an alien extrasolar government entity.
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>>1311416
Probably nothing since it'd be WAY too fucking easy to discredit her as a puppet of an alien nation
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>>1311421
>>1311423
Yeah you guys are right.
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>>1311416
Yeah, I gather she was injured by the assassination attempt we foiled.

Medical treatment for her would be a bad idea, though. As a wounded survivor of an attack by the "commonwealth" she can appear a hero. Allying herself with the invading aliens publicly and getting medical treatment that could do who knows what to her just plays into the hands of everyone's worst fears about the greens.
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>>1311429
You'd have to remove the 'publicly' part, obviously.

Better to start by getting a list of the five oldest guys in Parliament instead. Males have a slightly shorter lifespan on average.
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>>1311441
Nathaniel Holst is from Gemini. You guys think he could be our mole inside the parliment?
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>>1311441
The problem is if one of those 5 values the integrity of the Union over prolonging his own life he will make it public first chance he gets.
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>>1311428
Counterpoint: we heal her, she joins us, maybe give a human colony world to govern, in exchange she helps us play human politics. Possibly even consents to have a amalgam-clone made from her political expertise
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>>1311441
We could follow that up with lists of the 10 oldest Valen, 10 oldest Billionaires, list of sick rich/important/powerful people and their families etc.

Although our most obvious target is "Emperor" Rusenthal in the Commonwealth. He's so old he spends all day in a healing tank and the entire commonwealth elite is waiting for him to just die already with baited breath.
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>>1311464
I think you underestimate the gravity of betraying a state you have dedicated your life to reforming.
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>>1311469
only a betrayal if she sees a swift recovery granted by an outsider that way. I agree with you that it is unlikely at best, but a thought to throw out there
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>>1311464
None of that was a 'counterpoint' to the fact she would probably easily lose the next election if the deal were publicly known.
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So I had a stupid moneymaking plan that I want you guys to think about.

Step one: We construct a city-sized station, either in deep space or orbiting a lone star. This station will consist of a habitation ward, economic ward, Q-com/Hive Relay communications ward, industrial ward, and a unique ward dedicated to mounting a multitude of concurrently opporating Rip Drives. I don't actually remember if space cities get four or five ward slots, if four drop habitation

Step Two: We build a fleet of very simple ships, consisting simply of a bare-bones corvette equipped with a relay, speaker, self-destruct system, and both Blink and Rip drives.

Step Three: Advertise affordable, immediate, and convenient by-the-jump FTL services. Customers would place an order for a given pickup point and destination via Q-com or calling toll-free at the nearest Hive office, at which point a ship is Blinked to both locations to act as a stabilizer, and to collect payment if applicable. The station then opens a Rip joining the two locations (or two Rips joining both locations to the station, whichever works), and the client flies through. If anybody tries to fuck with the relay ships, they self destruct and a response fleet can be Blinked in to apply appropriate penalties.

Like the Valen gates, the customer doesn't need to shell out for their own drive and they arrive instantly. Unlike the gates, they can be connected anywhere, require no waiting in line, and we'll undercut the Valen like motherfuckers.

If all goes well, we could end up with a de-facto stranglehold on human interstellar trade.
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By the way, here is the questions colonel william asked us in case the parliament accuses us of lying about being primitives.

>Q. "For classification. Have you ever ventured past your sphere's orbit?"
>A. "Sphere? No. This Hive has always been here."
>Q. "Is your kind naturally capable of flight, and if not, have you developed a way to do so regardless?"
>A. "Others do, this one does not"
>Q. "Ok.... Has your kind... tamed flames to serve you?"
>A. "We use no flames"

The only problem i see is that we didn't say "We have never left this sphere" in question 1, if we did we could say they didn't ask if we came from outside.
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>>1311480
Yeah we are so far past that now, no one cares about that lie
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>>1311483
I posted that just in case they decide to slander us with lying.
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>>1311477
That is an excellent rough outline of a plan, I can't wait to reveal it to the Valen and get them all fucking trembling. Worst case we just use networks of bare-bones battlecruisers or develop a new logistical ship that can perform the same job.
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>>1311486
As I recall they don't conclusively know that we were the aliens encountered there, and the captain who we spoke to was killed before they were rescued.

Also, if they want to nitpick about that we can just bring up the whole "hey by the way you forgot your nukes over my planet" thing.
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>>1311477
>Unlike the gates, they can be connected anywhere,
Valen hypergates can already send ships and goods on a 1-way trip to anywhere within a certain radius of lightyears.

The Rip Drive is also effectively 1-way only, because it's so inaccurate you can't be sure where the other side of the wormhole will open within a small enough variance.

And it has the disadvantage of having a fundamentally limited range, while hypergates can go from Helik Thar to Virgo.
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>>1311494
That's why we blink a pod in the region first
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>>1311494
He's got a good core idea there though, it's just likely to new a little bit more hashing out, and also probably a network of drive-ships and waystations instead of a single station.

There's still a definite niche, provided we undercut the Valen by enough.
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>>1311493
>As I recall they don't conclusively know that we were the aliens encountered there.
Actually i think they do, there was a protest with a giant ant, and if the people know the union leaders will probably know a little more.
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>>1311494
Having the option to open a gate anywhere we can Blink a ship (i.e. anywhere at all) has significant utility, though. Gates have no potential for pickups, return trips, or emergency services. Imagine the PR we could build by running an instant-response roadside assistance service for ships in distress.

>it's so inaccurate you can't be sure where the other side of the wormhole will open within a small enough variance.
On the contrary, it specifically states that the variance can be reduced or eliminated by stationing another Rip drive equipped ship at the destination to act as a beacon.
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>>1311499
Still not accurate enough. The wormhole is really shortlived and starts decaying fast.
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>>1311509
Lasts long enough for a fleet to move through, provided you have a big enough ship to generate it in the first place.

What was that design for the cheapest possible Hive Ship again?
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>>1311509
Each gate would only need to serve a single customer, so uptime isn't a significant concern unless a sizable convoy is trying to roll through. Even in that case, we could simply open two Rips.
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>>1311477
This is such a smart plan i think we can use it to threaten the valen to enter a joint research project with us to improve the valen gates. They get to keep their monopoly and we get a new FTL.
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>>1311473
That's still means compromising the sovereignty of the Union by colluding with a foreign power. She might be willing to cooperate with us but I can't see her ever turning her back on the Union to join the Hive.

>>1311477
FTL services could work, we could build a fleet of what are essentially FTL cargo ships and charge for passage. Yeah, that would definitely throw a wrench in the Valen's monopoly.

>>1311494
The rip drive is actually extremely accurate in ranges of 5 ly or so. It's way more accurate than our default blink drives at least.
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>>1311508
Oh my god we would be space bug Geico, cheeky speaker mascot and all!
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>>1311509
It's plenty accurate enough
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>>1311532
We should make a small sized speaker and have it make commercials
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>>1311532
>>1311535
>>1311538

Hiveco, home, life, and ship insurance.

Will replace a wreaked home or ship with a hive equivalent of equal or greater Value!


Hiveco, home, life, and ship insurance.

Free monthly visit to the Hive regeneration tanks!


Hiveco, home, life, and ship insurance.

Instant response with Spine-Buddy communication technology!
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>>1311516
A barebones battleship w/ Rip Drive and no weapon compliment would allow ships <2km to pass through its gate and cost

25.1 kN
2.070 kM

Which is quite expensive, but I'd wager they'd pay for themselves in a short period of time.
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>>1311548
Thats 2,070 kM*
2 million M, ish
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>>1311509
Here, found the relevant info on it from thread 57.

>Rip Drive
A powerful, and accurate drive system, it does not move the equipped ship, but allows the ship to rip open a hole in spacetime, creating something akin to an artificial wormhole that bridges the ship's current location with a location of its choosing within its range. This allows not only the ship to move through the rupture, but also allows it to open ruptures for other craft, allowing for the deployment of sub-light craft over vast interstellar distances.

[New Ship Module Available]
Micro-rip drive – With some modifications to make the drive more compact in order to fit aboard an otherwise unmodified ship, the micro-rip drive is capable of being installed in the spinal mount of a ship. While still quite large of a device, the micro-rip drive is compact enough to only require a single spinal mounting, and can project a tear in spacetime capable of transporting any ship smaller than itself although the reduction in size prevents it from being used to transport itself or ships of equal size. Range has also suffered slightly due to the reduction in size compared to a ship using it as its main drive, allowing a ship to target its spacetime tear to any location within five light years, roughly half that of a full sized drive. The rip drive is capable of reliably targeting a location within a light day, although it can project a tear within the same system as its target with far greater accuracy, bringing it down to a mere light minute or less. (500N 1000M per 50 meters of ship hull length)
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>>1311548
Pretty sure we'll also be able to build a Rip Drive into a space city allowing them to project truly big wormholes
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>>1311550
>>1311548
For that matter though, they'd also make for very potent military assets. The commonwealth especially would probably be grateful for their logistical value, as their FTL right now lights a beacon for the Scavs and many of their ships are so outdated that they're hardly considered mobile.
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>>1311362
"The Hive is here to send a rather simply, if blunt, message. It has observed human activity in the Expanse out of curiosity, but after a number of incidents involving artifacts of great cultural, historic, and sentimental significance being pillaged from Expanse worlds, the Hive has recently been forced to take action." Lee says, your parasite administering several countermeasures to the increase in adrenaline in his blood and a mild mental stimulant. "That, compounded with the Union's early mistreatment of Hive drones has resulted in them decided to no longer permit Union authority within the region of the Expanse, which is ancestral Hive territory, as the age of the many stolen relics will atest." You see as many of the holograms of representatives speak to offscreen assistants or type into unseen consoles as their muted projections move in silence.

"So, the Hive has given to me the current proposition to give you today, the Union stop its attempts to colonize the Expanse, and to return the Expanse worlds back to the Hive. Anyone currently living within the region can leave if they choose, but will be free to stay and live with relative autonomy if they wish." Lee looks over the crowd of holograms somewhat nervously, his apprehension hidden with a mixture of chemical compounds, the makeup, and a minor neural signal preventing any nervous ticks or obvious tells, your parasite regulating internal body temperature and metabolism to prevent the otherwise uncontrolled cold sweat from drenching his forehead.

>Add additional statement
>Begin taking questions
>Other
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>>1311477
Before we go overboard with this Rip drive travel service idea we better make sure it has no ill effects on humans like our blink drive.
>>1311548
What about using battlecruisers instead?
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>>1311555
Oh hell yes, we could open rifts the multiple kilometers in size.
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions
Gauge the mood now
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions
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>>1311562
Man those parasites are handy.

>Begin taking questions
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>>1311562
>>Add additional statement
On mobile so I can't type, but I'll support a good one if it gets posted
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>Begin taking questions
I feel bad for Lee
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions
Might as well it would be more efficient to address there concerns and not give away to much personal information of are own accord
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions

Oh boy, this will be a riot.
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>>1311548
>>1311550
>>1311556
This is actually based on the micro-rip drive module. The full sized Rip Drive might just replace the Blink drive, and could probably be equipped on a barebones battleship for free. Couldn't find cost info on it.

>>1311555
The problem I see with space stations is that, even with relay ships, you've got a hard limit of 30LY. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but isn't as good as just having a rotating stock of what are essentially Guild Heighliners.

>>1311563
Battlecruisers would be fine for civilian travel, I'm sure, but I think we're going to need Battleships if we want to account for large industrial/trade ships.
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>>1311562
>>Add additional statement
Thanks to the tampering of Hive relics and grave sites by the Union, it has attracted the attention of the dark hive. You can see the form this 'attention' will take with it's assault on the Path system. The Hive has gauged the Unions ability to defend the Expanse and it has found it lacking, and so will require the swift recall of Union military forces from the region, to take command of the defense of the region.
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>>1311584
Imagine how his family going to feel once the see his speech being played on the tube
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions


I think that is good. Now it's time to hear their counter-offer
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>>1311580
You could get the gist and I could try to refine it
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>>1311589
Nah, let them ask questions about such things themselves.
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>>1311589
Hell no, We will explain to the inner council about the OQ and the crystals... but not to these tossers

And we still need to talk to based admiral in the CW
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions
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>>1311589
I'm not opposed to saying that in principle, but let's let them ask the questions first.
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>>1311603
They already know about OQ, she attacked Virgo.
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>>1311589
Easy anon let's see the room mood first. If we give to much info we can be seing as the raging guy from the interview up top.

We first see their reaction to our demands, so as they make questions and try to counter argument us we take their arguments down.
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>>1311562
>Add additional statement
"Failure to comply will result in the Red Hive having no choice but to cease defensive aid for Union worlds against incursions from Hostile Hives. Among other things."

>Begin taking questions.
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>>1311467
>our most obvious target is "Emperor" Rusenthal in the Commonwealth
Didn't most of the of the Commonwealth brass we've interacted with want him to die anyway?
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>>1311517
It's not accurate enough for 2-way travel between the hub and 'anywhere', because even in the best case it can end up a light-minute away from where the intended customer ship is. They can't guess in which direction the wormhole will be, so they have to accelerate from 0 to sublight, after first waiting a minute for the light of the wormhole to even reach them.

It takes time to reach a serious fraction of lightspeed even with a gravity drive, so traveling that lightminute takes a good bit longer than a few minutes. It sounds like it'd be a gamble every time if you reach it.
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>>1311619
This+1
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>>1311622
Yes, but that seems to be more of an issue with him being old and an ineffective ruler. If he's rejuvenated, he'd likely be not so shit and stuck in a tube all the time.
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>>1311622
They do, that's why i'm against giving the Emperor a life extension.
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>>1311622
Hell his heirs would start a civil war if he keep his throne for even longer

Really ain't a smart idea to give them immortality
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>>1311573
>>1311575
>>1311579
>>1311584
>>1311585
>>1311586
>"So what artifacts specifically pissed you off?"
>"The hive directs all questions on details of interstellar incidents to Secretary Windsor."
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>>1311629
That's only because they don't realize he can be made better and more useful than before.
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>>1311619
>>1311626

That might sound as a indirect threat i would like to hear then first before giving such statements.
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>>1311619
>threatening to stop doing something they never asked or wanted you to do

>threatening to stop teleporting our armies into their space and stopping them from capturing a large amount of hive tech

the union has never seen how much auntie could fuck them up so this wouldn't have the impact you think it would
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>>1311631
Ah CK2 was fun but dealing with the succession wars were a pain
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>>1311632
PERFECT!
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>>1311562
>Begin taking questions
Let's see their bellyfeels about this before elaborating our demands or launching into thinly veiled threats.
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>>1311641
Say that it takes significant resources that will be replenished by the expanse worlds we take
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>>1311628
I don't think his ineffectiveness as a ruler has anything to do with his age.
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We got safeguards in place to ensure Lee doesn't suffer a heart attack from all the confidence boosts were giving him right now?
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>>1311619
It has been stated that failure to comply will result in INVASION anon, we have the econ to wipe the union out entirely, and make a net gain within 5 threads
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>>1311661
Yes, he has two of them. LIKE EVERY HUMAN SHOULD.
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>>1311660
Probably from His heirs infighting and positioning to take over the throne at this point
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>>1311661
That's what our parasite is doing. Then yes.
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>>1311665
This is Lee were talking about
I dont think 2 will be enough in this situation
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>>1311660
>I don't think his ineffectiveness as a ruler has anything to do with his age.

>the primary complaint is that he spends all his time in his healing tank

He's ineffective and always absent because he's old, anon. It's as plain as the fraying telomeres on his genome.
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>>1311665
What mom's thinkers were thinking at the time we will never know.
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>>1311546
I sincerely hope a drawfag draws this.
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>>1311660

>200 years old
>Spends over 90% of his time in medical tank
>Effectiveness as a ruler has nothing to do with his age.

You're probably right, it's not because he's old, it's because his health is so poor! If only the two issues were somehow connected.
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>>1311673
>the primary complaint is that he spends all his time in his healing tank
>the primary complaint
Perhaps we should go and talk with the other admirals before we decide to prolong the emperors life.
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>200 years
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I was actually thinking we could do a black ops coup on the emperor, if the other admirals were OK with it and there was a successor lined up...
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>>1311673
>>1311681
I think we still need to know more about the emperor to discuss this. We need to see what will be better for the hive. But we can definitly peer the Commonwealth humans we meet and have a good old philosophical discussion about life and death.
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>>1311692
No need for a coup the man is at death's door. IT's not like we can't wait for him to simply die.
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>>1311692
We don't want to sink to the Union's level in such an obvious manner
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>>1311694
The commonwealth might accept if we allow them to be the ones treating Rusenthal. It gives them a big axe to hold over his head if he continues being a problem.
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>>1311673
>>1311681
It goes beyond that, if you read between the lines there's a clear impression from Magnus that he has been a disruptive influence within the commonwealth for some time. He has ruled since before the Commonwealth was even established, it doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to conclude he has continually prioritized his own power and prestige over that of the Commonwealth since then. He's a hold out of the old days and wouldn't like these upstarts in Odin high command trying to tell him how to run his own damn planets.
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>>1311692
Too risky with so little intel right now

Rather focus black ops in the CW to any undisclosed research programs they got going on

They must have there own version of the psi and Void shard program like the union
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>>1311715
Well, they were the ones who built the psi canon, so that's a given. We'll need to bring it up with Magus.
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>>1311669
>>1311674
>Not knowing about secondary hearts
>Not wanting to fix flawed human design
I'm curious, how many people are in here that haven't fully read the rest of the quest?
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>>1311706
Sounds useful and easy to manipulate, doesn't he?
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>>1311720
The lack of secondary heart might have been to make sure the humans have a short lifespan and are inclined to technological advancement rather than biological or psionic.
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>>1311720
I think you miss interpred me or i wasn't clear enough. I was saying that the parasite was controlling his adrenaline rate and the quote was about the White Queen's thinkers when they "mutated" humanity.
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>>1311732
No, it was probably that she didn't need to make humans live longer
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Is QD still having internet problems?
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>>1311749
The Union must have a lot of questions.
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>>1311589
No need to rush. When they inevitably ask about the other hive that showed up in Path, then maybe we can try to answer WTF is going on there.

>The murderous hive has refused all peaceful first contacts, and exterminated entire species and many of their own kind for little or no discernible cause. Their ultimate motives are unknown, save that they treasure such artifacts as humans have found.

I mean it's true, Theseus tried to talk to OQ at first. And we don't know for sure the ultimate reason for Obsidian Queen's hate-filled insanity. The cause is obviously Them, but we deliberately avoid the dangerous knowledge that can lead to to "KILL ALL FOR CRYSTALS!"
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>>1311732
>>1311745
>>1311720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5pHcYLUHQw
Here's an expert on the topic.
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>>1311687
It was also the ONLY complaint, anon.

>>1311706
>he has been a disruptive influence within the commonwealth for some time

Because he is in a coma and thus not awake to tell his grandchildren to shut up and listen to pop-pop.
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>>1311754
>If questions were quarters, I'd pay someone else a big enough sum to deal with this mess
~Anonymous Union Parliamentarian
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>>1311759
Do you think, if they ask why we are allied with Unity, it would be a good idea to tell then about Unity conflict with BQ? Should we ask Unity about this?
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>>1311774
>Should we ask Unity about this?
No shit. We specifically asked for help with shit like this.
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>>1311774
There's not much of an explanation needed. They're a 'Trading partner.'

We should downplay Unity ties as much as possible anyway if we want the votes.
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>>1311780
They will bring up Hope. We'll have to answer for it.
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>>1311562
>Add additional statement
Your single heart design is very flawed. This saddens the Hive.
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>>1311767
No, I mean he was deliberately hoarding his political and military power at the expense of the state. You remember when he went and declared war on the Union against explicit orders from Magnus? He went and started a massive space war based on bad intel fed to him by the Union. You call that effective rulership?
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>>1311787
>he went and declared war on the Union

You're talking shit you don't know anything about. That was his retarded grandson.

Which if he were an undying, ever-youthful adopted Emperor he could've been around to pull rank on and stop that retardation in its tracks.
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>>1311785
The Hope was attacked and destroyed by the Unity. We simply swooped in on the aftermath and rescued the ground team while we debated on what to do with them for some time.
I sure fucking hope we remembered to edit their memories to make it sound like that.
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>>1311787
Did you not actually read that thread? Magnus tried to stop him.
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>>1311796
I guess that, thanks to us, his grandson might havew a successful or at least a not so disastrous incursion with the Union.
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>>1311796
No, his retarded grandson was the one who fired the first shot at a diplomatic meeting.

He was the one who formally declared war on the Union and committed his entire fleet to attack them based on false intel. Hows about you actually read the quest before you start making shit up about it.
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>>1311785

We can say that the sentient inhabitants of Hope have been a Hive protectorate for thousands of years. The actions Union landing parties were taking against those we had long sworn to protect was the cause of our intervention. If they so wish they can send an investigatory party to talk with Rhaligan elders about the hive's history if they doubt our honesty. We hired Theseus because we wanted our observations of humans to continue without your suspecting a third party viewing you. Unfortunately, what we continued to see was not flattering.
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>>1311798
Our memory editing isn't that good.
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>No, his retarded grandson was the one who fired the first shot at a diplomatic meeting.
>He was the one who formally declared war on the Union

Do you think an emperor has only one grandson?
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>>1311807
We're literally related to the Gardener more or less. She's our aunt remember?
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>>1311807
>Unfortunately, what we continued to see was not flattering.

That last part made me chuckle a bit.
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>>1311820
I don't understand your point.
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>>1311800
Exactly. This guy is being duped by the Union into starting a major war the Commonwealth couldn't win. He went and disobeyed a direct order from the head of Commonwealth to indulge his wounded pride, and if things had panned out how the Union expected them to, would have devastated the Commonwealth. With allies like that, who needs enemies?

>>1311820
What does this have to do with what I just wrote?

>>1311815
Oh yes it is, we literally imprinted ourselves into Lyle's psyche as mother figure whose been looking out for him his entire life. Obviously he is consciously aware we only recently met, but we were able to inculcate the same degree of trust in him as if we'd known him since his youth.
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>>1311849
Are you completely retarded or just dense? Lyle was a nat 100 on a use parasite roll and Magnus literally did nothing wrong. We were fucking reading his mind the entire time.
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>Hows about you actually read the quest before you start making shit up about it.

>"When a source from said rebels turns up evidence of a pre-emptive strike on our salvage operation in that system, this dead officer's brother demands me to let him lead his own pre-emptive strike. I tell him no, the source is a damn fake, and even if they did attack the public opinion of a war they started would be atrocious. Well, the inbred, goddamn slab of human garbage!" He says, his voice resounding with barely restrained anger. "Has taken it upon himself to do my job for me."

>>1311849
Because there's more than one grandson and you can't seem to tell they're different people? One died. One tried to avenge him. And Grandpa wasn't awake to stop him.
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>>1311800
And Grand Marshal Magnus tried to stop the Prince by calling the Emperor who wasn't available because he's too old to leave his medical tank. Which is fixable.

Along with any personality flaws the emperor might have.
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>>1311849

>>1311864
Whoops I think misread your post. I thought you were the other guy trying to push hos retarded narrative. Though the lyle thing is still true.
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>>1311863
I am talking about Emperor Ruenthal and his disobeying Magnus' orders, not Magnus. Are you defending Magnus or Ruenthal, I think we're getting them mixed up.

>>1311864
You think any of his grandkids have the authority to order around his entire fleet? The order had to have come from the highest levels.
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>>1311885
Hows about you actually read the quest before you start making shit up about it?
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>>1311885
I'm too tired to tell but I'm not too tired to politic. I hope QD posts soon.
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I just realized the question thing is hard to do in a quest.
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>>1311924
?
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>>1311924
QD just has to sit down and pretend to be 500 people with not entirely amicable worldviews all trying to talk over each other, no biggie.
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>>1311924
Orion Coalition used a good format, could use it here.
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>>1311664
Everyone just gonna ignore this? RESPOND people
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>>1311896
We don't need to politic, we have them by the balls, and morgan even admitted there is nothing they can do about it
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>>1311924
Politics is a hard thing. I also don't want to QD overwork himself too much. Specialy he's still recovering from his surgery.
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>>1311941
We really don't give a fuck if they don't agree man

Were taking the expanse one way or another and that is a something generally agreed upon among us anons
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>>1311954
Oh boy! I hope we get to test out some of our biological war crime weapons.
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>>1311932
>>1311933
It's easy to do in a story but hard in a quest because normally you would call on one to talk to before moving to another this is terrible in a quest for obvious reason.

>>1311949
Politics is war by another name.
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>>1311941
It's hard to respond to the truth anon.

>>1311954
That's...that's what he said. Invading the Expanse.

Cross yoru claws that they vote no.
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>>1311954
Ye, but invading the Union proper is a waste of resources. If the dont agree to the BROADEST terms then we will take the expanse and prevent any attempts to retake them.
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>>1311893
Decided to go back and check it cause I got nothing better to do while QD gets the bugs out of his internet connection.
>When a source from said rebels turns up evidence of a pre-emptive strike on our salvage operation in that system, this dead officer's brother demands me to let him lead his own pre-emptive strike.
>brother
I concede I got that point wrong, but the other points remain. Even if he didn't order the action himself he is at least complicit with it, as we haven't heard anything about him being reigned in after the fact, and to the contrary seems to be gearing up for more war. That comes off to me as a pretty tacit approval of what his grandson was doing.

And even then the real underlying problem here is that he has created a state within a state that can operate explicitly against the commands of Odin, going so far as to draw it into an unwinnable war. This cannot last in the long run and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
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>>1311954
Yes. But we are also giving then room to ask questions so we don't look like complete jerks for all of then. We need to remmeber that there is 500 representitives and the one that fucked up was Killinger when he started to support Seiner experiment and when Union decided to fuck with crystals and doom all know existence.
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>>1311941
Where did you get this info from? Did QD state that on his ask page or something? Because that sounds a little over the top, even for us.
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>>1311965
What i see from just looking from the outside it's more like the Emperor showing he's still in power. What do you think it would be the result if he didn't joined his grandson? The commonwealth could be see as divided and weak.

Also if i'm not mistaken the emperor only decided to go to war after receive the hive support against the scavs.
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>>1311965
>he is at least complicit with it, as we haven't heard anything about him being reigned in after the fact,

We are not privy to the internal politics of the imperial court, and the Emperor doesn't leave his tank for just about anything. He's probably slept through his grandson's funeral.

>and to the contrary seems to be gearing up for more war.

That parade was for the crusade against the Scavengers.

And again, he's asleep most of the time. He's obviously delegated the day to day to others.
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>>1311982
The parade was for the scavs war? Well okay then.
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>>1311982
I'm not sure being in a medical tank necessarily means he was unconscious, it seems unlikely to me that nobody would have even asked him 'hey gramps it cool if we go to war with the Union?' But assuming they didn't and he really is asleep all day is arguably even worse, as it shows he has no control over his own empire and can't even select a proper steward to the throne.
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QD is kill post voids
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>>1311966
Of course it turns out humans were dangerous because they had Canderon, and the Tartarus reactor requires Canderon.

Once we duplicate the Valen hypergates, we really should consider trying to strongarm the humans with the carrot of hypergates and the stick of taking all their Canderon so that nobody can sell it to some crystal worshipers by accident.

If nobody has Canderon but us, nobody can usher in the end of space as we know it. It's the only way to be sure.
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>>1312013
This can even be the reason why he's grandson is trying to make a assault on the Union. He might be using he's brother death as a excuse and get "popular" with his gramps to become his sucessor.
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>>1312013
...An incredibly simple problem that can be fixed by adopting him, which was basically the entire point that started this reply chain. The Emperor has done nothing wrong but have a problem that the hive can correct easily.

And the risk/reward payoff from the Emperor's perspective skew heavily towards "trust the aliens completely, I have nothing to lose."
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>>1312020
Time to adopt some Canians
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"So, to help answer any questions, the Hive has sent a speaker." Lee says. "They don't really have names, at least none you can pronounce or translate, so this is just the Hive speaker. Any other speakers you meet are also just Hive speakers. You can go ahead and program that computer to say that if you want." Your speaker moves forward with appropriate grace for its appearance as Lee speaks. "Either way, the speaker can answer any detailed question I may not know the answer to, and has the full authority to negotiate any treaties or deals you may wish to make with the Hive." Your speaker chirps softly as Lee steps to the side to make room for it behind the podium, and Holst's hologram regains its color again as he begins speaking.

"Very well, any representative may now take the floor." He says, and a number of lights begin displaying along the fronts of the desks of a number of Representatives. "Representative Lorenzo Almenadi of Freeshare has the floor." A new hologram flickers into color on one of the seats. A man with long graying hair and a similarly graying beard.

"I have a number of grave concerns about all of this, but for now I will start with this." He says. "You unveil yourselves to us just as a war breaks out, on several fronts. Ships matching your own hulls have fired on Union vessels on at least two occasions, and I suspect several others as well, and we have a number of images that I would like to ask you about." He types in something on his terminal, his hands flickering at the edges of his hologram, and a large, blurred image appears floating in the air above you, with a smaller copy above every desk and your own podium. It is out of focus, taken from a distant telescope most likely, and holds little detail, but it is still obviously a Hive battleship.

"This image was taken from a long range spy telescope of Odin station, deep within Commonwealth space on a military reconnaissance mission. It has been cleared for declassification at my request, and I'd like you to tell us what you have been talking with the Commonwealth about just before they attacked our ships and began invading Sol."

>Write in

Sorry I got pulled away from the computer for a bit there.
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>>1312024
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>1312039
Something something probably evil hive ship
We are helping the Commonwealth repel an entirely different alien force
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>>1312013
>, it seems unlikely to me that nobody would have even asked him 'hey gramps it cool if we go to war with the Union?'

You saw that Magnus called him and couldn't get to him because he was in the tank, right.

He's not communicating when he's in that tank.

>>1312039
Mutual defense against against coreward alien incursion. Next!
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>>1312039
Well if they have spies that can give them information straight from the Commonwealth's own home systems, those same spies can also tell them that the Commonwealth is under attack by another race of alien scavengers, who also attacked us. We found common ground against a common enemy and a ship was dispatched to negotiate terms for military assistance against non-human threats (i don't really remember if it was this exactly)

The hive does not meddle in the petty disputes between humans so long as it does not concern the hive.
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>>1312039
Are you familiar with the Scavengers? If not you have no idea how fortunate you are.
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>>1312039
we were establishing contact with the more reasonable species of humanity and establishing our neutrality on human to human activities
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>>1312031
Well then the problem with that plan is the same with inviting Alder or any other Union parliamentarians, accepting that offer will effectively scede part of the sovereignty and self determination of the Commonwealth to the Hive. It's difficult to overstate how much trust that would require from the rest of the Commonwealth leaders. Once a human has been adopted there is no way of establishing how much of their decisions are theirs and how much is ours. Considering this guy has enough power to call himself an Emperor, he probably controls a sizeable chunk of their territory and industrial/economic capacity, and I can't see Odin high command ever accepting handing control of all that to an alien power.
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>>1312039
Smart Fuckers

They can spin it as were allied with the commonwealth and the union did nothing wrong since none of us want what happened at nowhere to be public, so they can say that we are conspiring with the CW to screw the union over

Totally forgot that angle

>Write in

Bland Statement regarding discussion with CW on certain subjects that the Inner circle know about and that we aren't at liberty to say

Basically toss it to back to them
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>>1312039
>"Representative Lorenzo Almenadi of Freeshare

That's another planet that isn't in the pastebin yet, right?
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>>1312039
Other aliens being dicks, we decided to help another faction that we had no negative history with yadayadayada. Im waiting for some random guy to whip out something that will make us tempted to kill him later. Not because I want to, but just to see our reaction to it.
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>>1312079
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>1312065
Well they hardly have to know the details of adoption. The Emperor is probably a very desperate man, since he keeps his instructions on 'do resuscitate.'

The Commonwealth planets are each independently governed. It affects the other planets in no way whatsoever as long as he keeps paying his taxes. Odin High Command is extremely hands-off on local governments doing local things.
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>>1312061
This
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>>1312059
I don't think we should tell the humans about the scav invasion on Commonwealth that is a secret of state to then let's just say that the hive provided a defense treaty, but one that wouldn't make the hive involve in the war between humans.
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>>1312039
>"The diplomatic vessel was sent to Odin high command to facilitate and discuss the hive-commonwealth alliance against the hostile scav threat, whom had attacked and attempted to steal another hive diplomatic vessel during first contact some months prior."
"I assure you, the commonwealth attack against you was done some hours after that diplomatic vessel in the picture had arrived, unless your talking about toliman."
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>>1312039
As you may know or suspect, the Commonwealth has been faced with an invasion of aliens we call scavengers. These parasites have no true home, so they roam the stars preying on those weaker than them. The humans of the Commonwealth have suffered in their war with this alien threat, and we offered our assistance with regards to a mutual foe.

As to your statement about ships matching our hulls firing on Union vessels, the ships of this hive have never attacked Union vessels.* However, we are engaged in a war against a great foe, the dark hive, that is the enemy of all. They are slaves in body, mind, and soul to a power we will not talk about openly, but which we believe Secretary Windsor is aware of. This enemy cannot be reasoned with, and is extremely dangerous. Your misuse of our artifacts has drawn its attention towards you as well. If you speak of the attack on Path, it was merely a scouting mission - a taste of the war to come. Soon the region of the Expanse may be engulfed in open warfare. Indeed, much of the reason we need the acquisition of this area is to sufficiently protect you from this grave threat to all sentient free life.
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>>1312039
The Hive and the Commonwealth are cooperating in fleet and troop action against hostile coreward aliens who have attacked both the Hive and the Commonwealth. This is the furthest extent of our cooperation at this time.
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>>1312039
>"Shifty couch salesmen. "

But really,

"Joint defense against a common alien threat, one of many that you have been barrelling towards in your expansion. They display no intelligence in their interaction with other species and exist solely on raiding, in the face of such a foe we are prepared to co operate with anyone who would fight them. The hive prioritzes the welfare of individual humans and human held worlds over your inane political disputes."
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>>1311973
the thread where we introduced ourselves to the union, that was only 5 threads ago. are you new?
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>>1312092
>I don't think we should tell the humans about the scav invasion on Commonwealth that is a secret of state to then

The Union already knows about the Commonwealth fighting a war on two fronts. It's not secret.
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>>1312095
No
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>>1312092
>secret of the state
I don't think i would be a secret for long considering that a religion organized a televized parade to send off a crusade against the scavs.

Besides, if the Union's spies can get them an image taken from Odin Station's telescopes, they can fucking tell the Union what the scavs are and what they're doing.
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>>1312095
Hell no
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>>1312093
Scratch hours, i think the meting and the attack was done after some days had passed.
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>>1312095
>As to your statement about ships matching our hulls firing on Union vessels, the ships of this hive have never attacked Union vessels.* However, we are engaged in a war against a great foe, the dark hive, that is the enemy of all. They are slaves in body, mind, and soul to a power we will not talk about openly, but which we believe Secretary Windsor is aware of. This enemy cannot be reasoned with, and is extremely dangerous. Your misuse of our artifacts has drawn its attention towards you as well. If you speak of the attack on Path, it was merely a scouting mission - a taste of the war to come. Soon the region of the Expanse may be engulfed in open warfare. Indeed, much of the reason we need the acquisition of this area is to sufficiently protect you from this grave threat to all sentient free life.

He didn't ask about this. Don't say too much.
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>>1312059
Yes, keep it short and decidedly hive-like efficient. Blunt and simple.
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>>1312095
We have you stupid shit. Remember the Hope?
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>>1312039
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>>1312104
I certainly do, but where did QD directly state that we could destroy the entire Union in 5 threads?
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>>1312095
>>1312093
Guys you don't spill other countries secrets. If we spill the beans about the scavs the Commonwealth won't trust us with any secrets.
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>>1312095
Holy shit no.
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>>1312020
Good point, but they use it for ship drives so it would probably be better to give them a ship FTL.
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>>1312105
They do? Then ignore my rambling.
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>>1312123
We can claim that was Theseus. And we can lie about the Mirage; it is highly unlikely the Union will bring up anything about that ship and if they do it would backfire tremendously.
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>>1312061
>>1312039
This.
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>>1312061
Seconding.
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>we're helping the Commonwealth
>but that's totally not our battleship in the Commonwealth there
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>>1312139
If they even admit the *existence* of the Mirage it's the end of the current Union regime.

They were in the process of using it to attack a diplomatic meeting with the Commonwealth.
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>>1312039
> "Introductions, The humans of the commonwealth have been honest enough to warrant a polite introduction, rather than the tasking of a light scout fleet"
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>>1312059
Backing this. No reason to answer anything he didn't ask.
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>>1312130
The secretary counsil already knows abut the commonwealth being attacked by an alien threat which is why the tried to start a war, the other union leaders probably also suspect they are being attacked so it's not like we're saying anything new besides who exactly is threatening the commonwealth.
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Are the scavs a secret? Can someone post a link saying so?
>>1312143
Dude, I don't have reading comprehension this late at night
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>>1312146
>.
kek

i like
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>>1312105
Well last we saw only the central intelligence bureau displayed knowledge of that, and they seemed pretty keen on keeping it that way for the time being. They may have released details to parliament, but I doubt they let the general public know.
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>>1312127
They're probably just calculating the resource nodes the Union has and how the income would pay for the war.
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>>1312146
>rather than the tasking of a light scout fleet
kek
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>>1312108
it isn't about WHEN the secret will be revealed. It's about WHO reveals it. If we tell Union parliment about the scav attack this might create doubt with some of Commonwealth planets.

They are trying to sabotage our alliance with the Commonwealth and acquire information at the same time.
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>>1312146
Eheheheh.
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>>1312146
Would support
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>>1312061
Third.
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>>1312130
The Scavengers are only unknown in the Union they aren't actually a secret.
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>>1312039
We have encoutered the alium race that has been invading commenwealth space. They promised us comfy seating then tried to steal one of our ships. We saw that the commenwealth were losing in their fight with the scavs and thought it would be funny to turn the tables on the scavs by supporting the weaker side.

Also, the commenwealth has very comfortable seating.
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>>1312146
Thinking about it a little further, this isn't even technically a lie since our fleet expansion plans will dwarf what's over Gemini atm.
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>>1312149
This, they already fucking know about the scavs. And we have already told the commonwealth we are not going to support them in any racial infighting.
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>>1312127
Not what i said but i will awnser your question If we wanted to destroy the union we could do it in one thread, Two if you want to be generous., we have a large enough fleet to completely wipe theirs, and from there it is as simple as dropping drone swarms or orbital bombardment to induce surrender, the union is not large, What i said was specifically, we would lose little and the gain of planets would net us enough resource gain to build many more ships.
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>>1312157
Would it really? The ones in power within the Union already know about it and its not really a secret within the Commonwealth itself considering that the fucking Pope organized a crusade for it. It is inevitable that word will get out to the Union public.
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>>1312172
Maybe after we're using the Expanse. Those planets are mostly just empty and we don't have the capacity yet to colonize them all and overthrow and colonize the Union worlds at the same time.
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>>1312157
>They are trying to sabotage our alliance with the Commonwealth

That's just silly. There's no way the Commonwealth cares enough to walk away from the hive's help, or thinks the secret can stay hidden.

Besides this is a closed session of Parliament. The chance of a spy being in here is slightly lower than usual.
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>>1312146
Seconding
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>>1312157
Which is why >>1312146 is the better response, remember we aren't here to make friends with the union we are here to tell them to fuck off
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>>1312157
I don't see why the Commonwealth would be upset about us talking about the scavs.
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>>1312139
No we can't you stupid shit. The crew was watching the entire thing so they will know about it.
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>>1312146
Supporting.
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>>1312146
It doesn't actually make any sense to say the Commonwealth has been more honest, when you hadn't even spoken to them in the first place before then.
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>>1312039
>>1312146
Backing
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>>1312191
What do the surviving humans from the Hope actually remember? IIRC there was a Unity ship involved.
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>>1312061
Sounds pretty good. We might want to include a mention denial that ships with our sensor type attacked Union ships and follow up when they ask more about it. If we ignore that aspect of his question altogether it will seem like a dodge.
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>>1312059
Like already said, we shouldn't answer questions not asked

>>1312146
I'll also support this if we're going for some cheeky
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>>1312178
I still think we should keep ourself as blumt and direct as possible. Saying simple what this anons here wrote. IF the Union did find out about the scavs it will be through their spies not through the hive.

>>1312146
>>1312061
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>>1312172
Man I think you're vastly underestimating what a large group of humans is capable of when their own survival is on the line. Keep in mind the Union still has shitloads of ships in storage, just waiting to be reassembled.
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>>1312206
Oh yeah, weren't we at some point going to recommend they up their fleet size for the oncoming conflict as some minor cheeky quip?
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>>1312203
If we wanted to be cheeky we could try the human sarcasm.

>"Obviously we were plotting the creation of a ship-mounted doomsday device capable of annihilating a planet in a single shot! [chittering maniacal laughter]"
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>>1312039

Also i deleted my old vote and i'm backing this response.
>>1312146
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>>1312198
And a strange alien ship that attacked the Hope and abducted them.
We will be caught in the lie.
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>>1312146
Cheeky answer is best answer, follow it up with >>1312061, but leave the spies out of it. The union doesn't need to know that we know.
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>>1312191
Our ship was there, but it could hardly be detected from the ground and was only visible for a very short period of time when it was uncloaked. There is a lot of evidence a Unity Server ship was there and very little evidence (comparatively) that a hive ship was involved.

We're also claiming we had this big fleet for a while right? In that case it begs the question of why we only sent one ship to destroy the Union vessel instead of overwhelming force. I think we can pin the whole thing on Unity. If necessary we can admit to hiring Theseus, but they won't be able to call us out for lying if we say we've never fired on a Union ship.
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>>1312195
It is an implication both about the smiths and various other shit the union pulled, whereas when we showed up and saved a commonwealth fleet from scavs they did not even attempt duplicity whereas the union is doing it even now
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>>1312216
Didn't we save them from the wreckage?

The very fact that we saved their lives and returned them to the Union has to be worth something for the story there.
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>>1312220
Hope crew only knows we were on the planet since they were captured and beaten unconsious before being dragged to a ship, from there it was to the tanks to get parasites
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>>1312184
>closed session
Really, I thought this was public, hence why people didn't want to tell them about the OQ.
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>>1312216
They never actually saw the ship our drones certainly but not the ship
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> and I suspect several others as well

Buwahahahaha! They definetly suspect of our cloaking tech.
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>>1312235
We were told it would be "leaked" later for political gain by some of the participants and certainly by killinger

That why we should be careful
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>>1312220
This argument is becoming very stupid. The ground crew were in contact with the Hope and the crew were working to fight our ship. Not to mention our ship was lighting up the night sky quite vividly.
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>>1312184
One that is guaranteed to be leaked
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>>1312243
We were?
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>>1312239
They literally saw our ship. The jammer requires you to be close enough to see the ship to use it. Maybe you didn't read that part.
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>>1312253
Don't know if we were but i certanly wouldn't put pass Killinger and his cronies not trying to do something like that.
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Of course there's still the secret agreement that only the secretaries are privy to, the handing over of all those artifacts.

They should have more shards still.
>>1312253
>"The motion is already put forward. I'm not going to leak it to the press, if that's what you're worried about, although I doubt it will last long before one of the representatives do." Lang says. "So far, nobody outside of the parliament building knows, or should know at least, that you have claimed sovereignty over the Expanse, and until you give your official statement Parliament is technically not allowed to debate it." He continues. "At least not in any official capacity on the floor in an open session. Right now I think they're in an emergency security meeting regarding the unfolding civil unrest, but beyond that they have been going through various amendments and editing for the consolidation bill."
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>>1307394
>>1312253
>"The motion is already put forward. I'm not going to leak it to the press, if that's what you're worried about, although I doubt it will last long before one of the representatives do." Lang says.
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>>1312246
They never saw the ship read this thread and the next to see proofs http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/34042647/#p34043550
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>>1312272
Its crony for this is gonna be leaked and dont blame me for that
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>>1312272
>>1312271

>and until you give your official statement Parliament is technically not allowed to debate it."

And that's right now, isn't it?. The time of secrets is now over.
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>>1312276
The Hope was however rather noisy on the radio about what they were being attacked by. And they knew it wasn't just a server ship.
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>>1312246
I agree this argument is becoming very stupid.

I'll quote exactly from the past thread:

>You can hear voices from over the walls.
>"Sir! It's a server ship in orbit!"
>"Move the supplies into the shelters! Distribute the ammo and get ready to defend! Gaston, word on the survey team?"
>"Nothing yet, we lost radio after the Hope blew."
>"Damnit!"

>"You send your colosi charging through the forest. The two drones plow down trees and level a path of forest as they go, sending strange creatures running for cover. At first you think you see a number of birds fly away, but as you look you see each one is a small oval covered in a ring of flaps. They spin like a top and lift themselves into the air like tiny helicopters as they shoot themselves away in all directions. A number of larger creatures roll along the ground on their center axis like living wheels.

>"Incoming. Something big on the sensors."...
"The fuck is that? That's not Unity!"

The ground crew obviously expected Unity creations and did not see them. The only record of radio contact we have between them and the remains of the Hope concerns the server ship.

At absolute worst the ground crew knows that a strange ship maybe was attacking their own ship. None of that points to the Hive definitively being the source of the strange ship. For all they know it could be Ceph or Theseus or the like. They have NO proof. And that isn't even considering we could have done some minor memory modifications.
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Didn't we mind fuck the hope crew anyway? Or at least spine pal them. I'm looking through the archives but haven't found anything yet. Although I did find we already mentioned the smiths to Morgan Freeman when we first got here.
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>>1312146
Very much this, follow up with a quick explanation of the nature of the Obsidian Queen and her threat as justification for requiring resources in the Expanse.
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>>1312267
The only hope crew that survived were ground crew that never saw the ship, the Others on the ship? died to the void of space. also our ship never engaged it in the first place, we engaged stealth tech from the get go to land on the planet and let theseus deal with the hope
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>>1312278
So far all purposes avoid giving details on nowhere, the void, CW and anything else we dont want the masses to know

And just minimize OQ as much as possible, we can explain the real level of threat and the nature of the Void behind secure doors with the inner council
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>>1312276
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/34042647/#p34043550
They saw it well enough to shoot it.
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>>1312294
We removed the spine pals when we gave them back to the union.
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>>1312295
I agree we need to at least mention the OQ here due to the accusation our ships attacked Union forces. We fought a battle over Path with the OQ. It will be discussed. Best get ready for that now.
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>>1312294
Long-term memories were stated to not be possible to remove. And it was some time before experiments on the Hope crew perfected parasite nerve intefacing.
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>>1312295
God dammit how many times do i ave to say this, don't tell them about us needing the planets to fight OQ, if they know the true reason we want the expanse they can barter for more shit.
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>>1312293
> The ground crew obviously expected Unity creations and did not see them.
Because they were told they were being attacked by unity not giant space bugs.

>"Incoming. Something big on the sensors."...
This was their groundsensors detecting the collosi moving not a ship
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>>1312318
Yeah shouldn't make us look desperate. To bargain you have to look like you don't really need what you want.

There may be use in a good cop/bad cop routine. Where we imply the OQ wants the same territory. They really wouldn't want to be caught up in that hive war.
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>>1312318
We have a massive fleet. We have the bargining power. They can't barter us up very much.

Even if they could, we can AFFORD IT. We are rich and powerful as fuck. The Union is not really in a position to drive a hard bargin even if they know there is an outside force attacking us/them (which we will have to discuss anyway due to the battle on Path).
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About our ship. We can simply put that a small force was sent to reclaim a old hive world when the unity ships attacked that was when the Hive started to negotiate with Unity.
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>>1312318
You have to keep saying it until you're right. Which isn't going to be soon. We need the expanse to protect the Union, it's in their best interest we get it. And with the fight over Path, the cat is already out of the bag regarding the Black Queen. It ties up loose ends now instead of leaving them to unravel our story later.
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>>1312322
Exactly. I'm saying that the Union has no solid evidence that the Hope was attacked by anything other than Unity forces and that we intervened on the ground later.
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>>1312309
and reposting a link that does not advance or support your argument why?
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>>1312328
Either we are rich and powerful enough to be unstoppable, or we 'need' the planets to fight a war. Both things can't be completely true.
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>>1312328
But they will tell a sob story and anons will feel sorry for them. Anon never sticks to their guns so best not put them in the position where they have to play tough.
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>>1312342
Unstoppable by the Union, not by the Obsidian Queen. Orders of magnitude here.
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>>1312337
Which is what i was saying ball is in HSE's Court now
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>>1312338
The Jammer they launched is meant for short range and they did manually. What do you fuck think it means?
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>>1312337
This. If we want we could say that the Union should thank us, because if we haven't landed first on the planet, Unity would have killed those in the planet.
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>>1312336
>We need the expanse to protect the Union, it's in their best interest we get it.
And are you sure they know that? How can you guarantee they won't deny our deal in the misjudged idea that they can use our war against OQ to attack us when we're weak?
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>>1312342
Not necessarily. The war could be so far beyond their class (it is) that the fact we can crush them does not exclude the fact that we need those planets for a different war.
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>>1312353
>Nigger that thing you reposted makes no mention of a fucking jammer so post proofs or shut up
Also when did we launch a jammer? their radio stopped working once the hope was destroyed
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Regarding how the events at Raligha unraveled.
The Union sent a fleet there after the Unity attack on the Hope but before we established ourselves on the planet.

We need to cover the little hole as to how the ground team survived but was unable to be picked up by the rescue fleet when they searched for survivors.
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>>1312354
This is a stupid idea. It's not going to work since we saved people from the group exploring you know the ones that saw our ship. Not mention that its better to avoid lies like this anyway.
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>>1312351
The Union can do math. The Expanse is smaller than the Union proper.

If the Expanse is big enough to have a significant impact on our ability to win any war, that means it's a large increase over our current capabilities.

If they get a sense of NEED from us, they might conclude that our current capabilities must be no bigger than 1.5x the resources in the Expanse we're asking for. Maybe even less, half of what the Expanse offers.
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>>1312377
That's what we're saying anon. The exploring group DID NOT SEE OUR SHIP.

It's vaguely possible they might have heard a frantic radio contact about an unknown vessel on sensors, but they were almost entirely concerned about the Unity server ship.
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>>1312377
First stop being offensive. Second how did the people we rescued ON THE PLANET! Saw our ships attacking theirs? If i'm not mistaken they only saw our drones attacking their camp and the ones in the Gardners old hive.
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>>1312365
The warhead the destroys Q-coms and quantum computers. They used it against our ship.
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>>1312039
"To your first point, the hostile Hive vessels originate from a separate and far more hostile Hive which has opened hostilities with anyone it encounters." Lee says, your speaker hisses rather fiercely. "To the other point, I'll defer to the speaker." Your drone clicks its mandibles briefly.

"The Hive has suffered a number of attacks from a nomad species invading the region. The humans you call the Commonwealth have suffered attacks from the same force, and we have entered a mutual agreement to defend against these invaders together. The Hive provides military assistance against such outside invaders, but does not involve itself in the internal matters of inter-human conflicts."

"So that capital size ship is yours?" The man asks, your speaker just chirps in response.

"It was invited."

"Unlike the fleet over our heads now. I yield the remainder of my time."

"A single ship was deemed sufficient, rather than needing a small scouting fleet." Your speaker chirps as the hologram loses its color again just as the man seems to try to say something else, his voice muted and absent.
cont.
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>>1312371
I don't see why it's our job to plug that hole.

If you're saying that their failure to find them means we had captured them - sure, we had. We hadn't established whether humans were friends or foes yet and kept them captive, returning them safe and sound at a later date when we determined they might be open to a peaceful relationship.
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>>1312371
We can also reword it as us being there because it's holy ground(Exodus ship is there) and we were going to kick the Hope out of the system when unity showed up with his sweet 3 sided pyramid ship so we then kicked him out, rounded up all those humans who VANDALIZED A 70,000 YEAR OLD TEMPLE SHIP and got them out of there.
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>>1312326
That is when you bargain from a position of parity or inferiority.

The Hive is bargaining from a position of strength. That's why we can afford to be cheeky.
>>1312359
We did just come in with a bigass fleet over their capital world WHILE giving aid to the Commonwealth against the Scavs. At this point your argument hinges on the Union reps all being mouthbreathing knuckledraggers. Admittedly, their scientists haven't been inspiring of much confidence, but try to assume at least a minimal competency. If they're too stupid to live, then so be it. We'll take what we need through biowarfare.
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>>1312383
Need might be a factor of a war being close, rather than the boost being large.

What's obvious is that we've currently got them outmatched.
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>>1312383
i don't get why we would tell them, they can't help anyway, their ships are weak they don't have many, i think it is mostly anons that are going "No we must befriend the humans! Diplomacy!" when really we just need them to get out of our goddamn way so we can fix their fuckups
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>>1312393
Aww yess.
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>>1312401
Don't forget they were being mean to the natives.
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>>1312408
Exactly. We don't want to waste the time wiping out the Union with biobombs and swarms of parasites to implant the scattered survivors, but we can if we must.
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>>1312393
>"A single ship was deemed sufficient, rather than needing a small scouting fleet."
Excellent.
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>Your speaker chirps as the hologram loses its color again just as the man seems to try to say something else, his voice muted and absent.

Was he cutted because of a time limit or someone cutted him? Also oh well guess now they know about the scavs...ops.
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>>1312411
Oh yes, we definitely need to mention that when the Hope comes up. The fact that we have been protecting another sentient species in the sector (for thousands of years to boot) and with ample evidence of such does a lot for our credibility when we claim this is ancient territory.
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>>1312393
We should write a book called "GETTING THE LAST LAUGH, how to win every debate." Cause that was gold.
>>1312411
That too.
Hell didn't the ground team send a photo to Hope of a native scorched corpse that touched their electric fence? That's good propaganda there.
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>>1312416
If they know we were there they probably already or were about to know about the scavs
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>>1312393

"Representative Seamus Alder of Dirian has the floor." Alder's hologram comes into greater focus as she clears her throat, her voice dry but otherwise holding surprising strength.

"As a member of Parliament and its security council, I am privy to a number of briefings regarding these nomads and their attacks. I am, however, not concerned with them as much as I am with the logistical and secondary support you are offering an enemy of the Union in a time of war." She says. "And beyond that, while you claim to avoid getting involved with our own wars between humans, you clearly have no qualms involving us in your own. I've seen the recordings of your skirmishes with this other Hive force, and so far you have a good record of having your fights in our systems. I'd say before we can talk about who owns the Expanse, we should talk about what is in it. Namely the attacks, missing ships, and hostile aliens that have arrived time and again from the region, you among them."

"What exactly is your question?" Lee asks as Alder catches her breath for a moment.

"I think I speak for all of Parliament when I ask you exactly what is your relation to this other Hive, and how many are there? You say the Expanse is your space, well for how long, and why has it never been settled? Not to mention the obvious, if you can claim the unsettled Expanse is your space, what else do you plan on holding an ancient claim to? The artifacts found in the Expanse look nothing like the technology we have seen displayed so far and seem to be clearly the remnant of some other species of proto-avian. The only evidence of your ownership over any system in the Expanse was when we found a hive in G-426. Ever since then, we've had disaster after disaster claiming life after life as if we were already under invasion, so I'd like to know the details of that region, the hive found in that system, the hive that attacked Path, and, of course, the hive that seems to be in some alliance with the Unity AI."

Lee sighs with mental exhaustion, his thoughts flowing like murky water over the recent chaos throughout the Expanse. "Jeez, and I thought Greens are normally pro-xeno." He thinks.

>Write in
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>>1312416
He yielded the remainder of his time.
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>>1312416
>I yield the remainder of my time
please read the post next time
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>>1312385
Theseus told us that warhead had shit range so that means they were close enough to see it. They even were talking about our ship saying it wasn't Unity.
>>1312390
Logical deduction and spin are both things you know. This will work against us.
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>>1312393
Well, I didn't really want us to mention our force as a small scout fleet (it sounds like we're trying too hard to seem super powerful and braggy), but I guess that happened, and it is pretty funny at that. I suppose once we have the expanse our resources will increase fast enough our current invasion force will soon be only a small scouting fleet for all intents and purposes.
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>>1312416
I still have no idea why anyone considered the scavs a secret worth keeping for any reason.

The only one I can think of is that it might make the Commonwealth look vulnerable to attack, but the Union obviously was already taking advantage of that fact and we're actively supporting the Commonwealth against the scavs. Making the scavs public knowledge harms nothing and helps legitimize our involvement with the Commonwealth to the Union public.
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>>1312385
>DID NOT SEE OUR SHIP

Yes, they never saw it.

Until they were carried bodily onto it for their alien abduction, and some of them threw up when it went FTL.
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>>1312434
Correct.
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>>1312425
>Distant cousins
>Tens of thousands, though something something sleep
>They were produced in conjunction with the hive, as part of an ancient alliance
Don't know how to answer the others
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>>1312425
She has spine

>Write in
That is classified and can be discussed later
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>>1312425
The only hives that concern humans are this one and the murderous hive which kills without provocation, and has repeatedly chosen the battlefields you complain about.

We must defer questions on the details of artifacts humans have found to your Secretary Windsor.
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>>1312425

Do..do we drop the 'The Hive has claim to Earth' bomb and act magnanimous by renouncing the claim to the Sol System?

Tell her the Obisidan Queen is our crazy Aunt, and we have no designs on any other human-occupied territories, but we reserve the same exploratory and colonization imperatives as any other sophont. As to having numerous fights in Union Space, she hasn't seen the combat in Hive space. Our little spat over Path only happened because the OQ is probing the Union, and forcing our intervention.
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>>1312425
Now the question is whether we reveal the resurrection of the Skyl.

>what else do you plan on holding an ancient claim to?

We can assure him of having no ancestral claim over current Union space, I think.

Do we want to talk about the relation of the Obsidian Queen to the force behind the disaster at Nowhere?
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>>1312457

Probably, but not at this time. We should save that for discussion with the Security Council I think. As well as some of the skeletons in Killinger's closet.
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>>1312425
This one we cannot answer truthfully at all so just take the hit and deflect

>>1312456
>>1312457
We should not give any details at all about any of these things
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>>1312425
Because the White Hive failed.
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>>1312456
Nah, that'll just piss them off.
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>>1312425
Regarding the Unity AI, they are active in Expanse space yet make no claim to territory there and respect this Hive's sovereignty in that region. As such, there is no need for hostilities between us. Further, this Hive is prepared to facilitate non-hostile contact between the Unity AI and humans should such be amenable to both parties.
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>>1312425
The war between hives has at times necessitated relocation and the complete recycling of local hives to evade the enemy. Their genocidal campaign has run for at least 70 thousand earth years by now.
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>>1312457
We have no intention of exerting any of our ancestral claims over current Union space you mean
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We should probably mention that the ruins she is refering to belong to the skyl, and though Heretic is a close ally of ours, as the last sovereign Skyl enclave he is the only being capable of speaking of and on their behalf in a competant capacity.

The skyl are our ancient allies but we dont have much information on them that we could resonably say is free to give, afterall this is our human shennanigans not his. We should offer to allow them to speak to Heretic
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>>1312425
Wew lass she's learning.

Can't really think of something for the rest but:
>the hive that seems to be in some alliance with the Unity AI
"The Hive has skirmished with this entity called The Unity several times before we were able to hold an agreeable dialog. It does not seem as inimical to biological life as you would believe.

As for the "apparent alliance", as we have stated before, The Hostile Hive has attacked everyone that has tried to contact it, the Unity is no exception."
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Man, I feel like we've been underestimating humanity this whole time when it comes to being smart enough to catch shit and now the chickens are coming home to roost. I don't think this is going to be easy or even possible.

Speaking without regard to the end result, mind, just noting that the immediate situation seems less cakewalk than hoped for.
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>>1312425
"There are only 3 i know of, 1 i shall not talk about for i respect her/their privacy but as for the other."
"She is a betrayer, simple as that, she in the guise of diplomacy attacked the other X queens and broke their minds. To say that i hate her is an understatement, i wish for her to be completely destroyed and degraded to the most pathetic existence possible."
"As to why we own the expanse despite the artifacts being mostly of avian origin is because we know those avians, they are our allies and their empire has unfortunately been reduced to a shadow of their former selves."
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>>1312462
Hell im tempted to hit back by tell why dont you ask the same inner council that arranged you death at the station Rep Alder

And point as killinger

Its the nuclear option but it would make sure they wouldn't leak this meeting
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>>1312474

That's what makes it fun. I really hope this lady manages to succeed Killinger if/when we nail him.
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>>1312475
If we respect her privacy we shouldn't allude to her at all. It'll only make the humans nag us later about it.
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>>1312477
...Last I checked, this was being televised.
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>>1312425
Enemy hive that wnet genocidal, killed most of us, we were put in "stasis" or o sleep, we have claim to the planets as ancestral grounds, the artifacts belonged to an ally of ours that was also killed in the mass genocide and wish to reclaim them.
There. No mention of crystals, us being newborns, the skyl still being alive etc..
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>>1312425
> "And beyond that, while you claim to avoid getting involved with our own wars between humans, you clearly have no qualms involving us in your own. I've seen the recordings of your skirmishes with this other Hive force, and so far you have a good record of having your fights in our systems

"The hive is confused. The Alder does not wish for the Hive to intercept enemy Hive ships before they depopulate Union systems? While the Hive does not recommend it, the Hive can be convinced to acquiesce to this Union request."
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>>1312425

If you wish to discuss the "Avians", which we call the Skyl, we can provide an introduction. They are valued friends and allies of our Hive and we are certain they will back up our historical and present claims to the region as well as the significance of the artifacts we wish to recover.

The historical hive territory extends over much of the galaxy including present human space. We are willing to limit our demands to the Expanse region for a number of reasons, several of which are classified. It is very unlikely our territorial needs will extend beyond this area in the foreseeable future.

As to your question regarding hives, so far you have met two hives. Ours has a trading relationship with Theseus. We must say, he has done a far better job appearing reasonable than the Union has thus far. The other hive you have encountered, the one that has attacked your ships over Path, is the Dark hive. They are the enemy we mentioned that are not susceptible to reason, compassion, or mercy. It is your meddling with the artifacts in the expanse that drew their attention - a fact you will soon regret. We are willing to consider defending you against this foe, as part of the negotiations we are undertaking to secure the Expanse region.
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>>1312485
Not live but being recorded, and will be leaked later
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>>1312464
That's pretty succinct.
Like, that's the entire quest even. The White Hive failed and here we are.

>>1312488
That's pretty good.
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>>1312473
>>1312488
I like the approach here. Focus on how the OQ is universally hostile and we're not.
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>>1312473
Fuck forgot to add

"Since we and the Unity share a common foe, military cooperation was suggested."

Of course the only instance where they saw us and Unity working together was on Nowhere, so this basically says that whatever was going on in Nowhere has something to do with the the Obsidian Queen.
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>>1312485

I don't think so. Leaks wouldn't be mentioned if it were. It's being teleCONFERENCED, but not teleVISED.

That said, I am looking forward to Speaker interviews and press conferences.
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>>1312484
Alright then remove the first bit.
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>>1312425
>>Write in
>I think I speak for all of Parliament when I ask you exactly what is your relation to this other Hive, and how many are there?

Our relation with the Black hive is of enemies.

>You say the Expanse is your space, well for how long, and why has it never been settled?

It was settled, but that was 70 thousand years before the war started.

>Not to mention the obvious, if you can claim the unsettled Expanse is your space, what else do you plan on holding an ancient claim to?

The many planets occupied by the Black hive.
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>>1312425
>you claim to avoid getting involved with our own wars between humans, you clearly have no qualms involving us in your own
Maybe you haven't been fully briefed on the reason we are here but we have been trying to keep you out of ongoing hostilities in the local and neighbouring galactic regions but you have recently attracted the attention of one party hostile to all other life. (This is regarding nowhere, direct her to kissenger if she doesn't know anything.)

> The only evidence of your ownership over any system in the Expanse was when we found a hive in G-426.
Once again, we thought it best to not involve you in our affairs but once again your grasp exceeds your reach. If you seriously think that we have been causing your recent woes then look at the sky over gemini and ask yourself why you are still alive.

> the hive that attacked Path
> alliance with the Unity AI
Lee has already mentioned the other hive and we are in an alliance with your mechanical child to protect humanity from existential threats beyond their ken.

Not sure how to explain the Obsidian Queen's madness without making ourselves look susceptible to it also.
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>>1312490
>"The hive is confused. The Alder does not wish for the Hive to intercept enemy Hive ships before they depopulate Union systems? While the Hive does not recommend it, the Hive can be convinced to acquiesce to this Union request."
This is good. It is literally true that we defended some human systems that the OQ would have wiped out.

He keeps talking about "our" wars being in their systems because he doesn't realize that it would stop being just "our" war the moment we're not there to stop the OQ.
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>>1312468
Let's not answer questions that weren't asked.

Could just say.
>>1312425
The machine is a perfectly agreeable trading partner to anyone who approaches with peaceful intentions.
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>>1312425
Based on discussion so far:
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Explain the Hive's ancient claim on Earth, and renounce the claim in good faith
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
>Explain the return of the Skyl species
>Other (write in)
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>>1312488
Woops, forgot about Unity. We trade bits of info here and there and it also registers that the other hive is no good for anyone.
There. We dont tell them how close we are, dont tell them that Unity isnt all bad(they wouldn't believe s yet), and we give them a reason why the "scawy AI" also dosent like the other bugs.
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>>1312490
Damn seconded.
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>>1312491
I really like this one. Mention that the Black Queen also attacked the Unity as was able to push in the shit of a server ship. It really seems to make the Union shit bricks when something comes along that does in minutes or seconds what they have to gather a fleet for.
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>>1312498
None of this would be a problem if she didn't fail we're basically plan B.
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>>1312518
>Other
Dont answer anything and just deflect and take rep hit
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>>1312518

>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive

Other talking points seem like they'd just be giving away too much information for free
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>>1312425
> "The expanse has been settled, Long before your species crawled from the oceans, as i am sure you learned in your security counsel you have been pillaging our burial grounds, we did not involve ourselves in your affairs you involved yourselves in ours, you should ask your leaders about "Nowhere" if you want to know how"
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Explain the Hive's ancient claim on Earth, and renounce the claim in good faith
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies

>Other
this
>>1312490
The fights in human systems are inherently protective of human life, since the OQ would obliterate them.

Don't mention the resurrection of the Skyl. It's both not our place to out them while they're still vulnerable, and not relevant to the discussion here.
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies

Allude to the fact that the Skyl will back up our territorial claims. (The Skyl/Heretic will back us up because they don't want the Union to fuck up with any more artifacts and we can say we need this region to fight the dark gods.)
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>>1312531
Agreed. We can just say that if they honestly think that we are responsible for everything bad that has happened to them, instead of their own incopetance, then they should look at our fleet and ask why they are still all alive.
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>>1312488
That is too much detail. Enemy hive is genocidal.

They haven't found the 70 thousand year old hives in the Expanse because we're too efficient to leave them around to fossilize, duh. Perfectly good edible architecture.
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>>1312518
Add >>1312491
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>>1312425
Point out that of course they'd only have seen Obsidian Hive attacks in their own systems and the Red Hive has acted in the defence of Union citizens. The Red Hive is defending itself against the Obsidian Hive aggressors.

Also the Hive has colonised the Expanse for longer than human civilisation.

It can't hurt to tell them the avian ruins are the Skyl, right?
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>>1312535
We're not trading information like we would with Unity. We're trying to keep them from making stupid monkey mistakes.
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>>1312518
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
>Explain the return of the Skyl species
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>>1312518
We should mention we none of this would a problem White Hive didn't fail.
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>>1312475
Continuation
"As for your question about why we claim the expanse despite most artifacts and remains being of skyl origin it is because we were allies and had regularly co-operated to take down the betrayer, this includes joint military operations and joint research projects."
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>>1312425
"The Hive race arrived on the planet you call Hope over 70,000 human years ago, fleeing an existential threat. We call it Raligha." (bring up the maps if possible)

The Black and White Hives were the leaders of the race, for a time, and the proto-avians you speak of are known as the Skyl, and were allies of the Hive race. The Hive may arrange an introduction to the Skyl remnant if you wish.

No hives in this area remain due to the Black Hive's sinister betrayal of our race and subsequent genocidal war. The White Hive was destroyed in entirety in the last year. This hive, the Red Hive now carries that legacy. The Black Hive will destroy everything, Unity, Union, and will consume any biosphere."

>>1312468
is good too
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies

Mention that we are harboring an ancient protectorate race until such a time that it is safe for them to return to their home planets. No need to reveal that we resurrected them.
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>>1312491
Let's not offer to introduce them to the autistic military AI whose only purpose is fighting the crystals. He's not really a talker.
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I'm a little leery about announcing moms involvement just yet
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>>1312558
Throwing Mum under the bus isn't cool. We're her Plan B, so she hasn't failed until we fail.
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>>1312491
Supporting.
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
This is good
>Explain the Hive's ancient claim on Earth, and renounce the claim in good faith
NO. This is a bargaining chip for deals with the security council behind closed doors.
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
Yup. Gives us claim to the artifacts.
>Explain the return of the Skyl species
...The issue is currently iffy. Considering that the new Skyl are being raised by an AI, it might be best to not mention that they are still around and pray that they dont ask any questions that will force us to give a straight answer.
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>>1312490
Second
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>>1312518
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
With hints of >>1312541 & >>1312491 & >>1312562
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>>1312518
>>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive

>Other (write in)
Ancient hives in Expanse were digested or completely destroyed by the enemy. Obviously.
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>>1312531
SPACE WAR NOW INDEED
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>>1312541
Thats the point. Shes spinning them as us waging a war in there space.

The point was to innocently yet cheekily imply that this really isnt a sticking point that Alder wants to pursue, since it is on the table that if they really want us to, we can let the OQ have her way with Union systems
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>>1312518
>>Explain the Hive's ancient claim on Earth, and renounce the claim in good faith
Save that for later
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>>1312518
Supporting
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>>1312518
I will support this:
>>1312531


Also anon's are being stupid don't you know if we reveal the Skyl the Union can completely negate our claim of ancestry to it?
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>>1312490
Supporting this.
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
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>>1312518
>>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
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>>1312587
Are you saying that we let them get away with indignant posturing and just play their game we will fuck up? Helo, who has the fleet in orbit and who has been wronged here.

Anyway, when we first entered orbit we said the leaders knew why we were there, if her intel is lacking we shouldn't have to explain it to her, she should up her game.
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>>1312573
what does heretic matter we don't need to tell them that he's an AI besides we are planning on try to patch some type of truce between the union and the unity so it might not be all bad
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>>1312610
We dont know how "developed" the newly cloned Skyl are. Though im sure Heretic is a marvelous tutor, its been less than a year since the clones were delivered to him. They might not convince the Union that they are millennia old precursors.
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
The Skyl took a bad hit and we've been supporting them for a time until their people are strong and numerous enough to return
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>>1312490
I like the snark. Support.
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>>1312518
Actually this is a fun option too. >>1312531

We do not actually need to explain ourselves that much, especially about past events. A Yes vote would be easy, but a No vote means we can attack and try to capture the Valen hypergate sooner.
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>>1312518
>Mention the battles in Hive and Unity space have been far more destructive
>Mention the Skyl as ancient Hive allies
And add >>1312490
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>>1312472
I can agree to this
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>>1312600
Simple explanation is we're holding territory for multiple people, it's both ancestral grounds of ours and our allies, which is true. We could make it more of a sticking point that the Skyl-Hive relationship is something that's lasted through multiple genocides and world cleansing warfare, but only if she asks nicely for a clarification instead of deflecting to technicalities again.
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>>1312425
the hive that seems to be in some alliance with the Unity AI.
>You should not worry about the unity, it was after theseus that convinced the hive that we should let your species survive, after the desecration of *Rapid Bug clicking* (lee butting in to translate the phrase being the equivalent to tomb) on *more clicking and lee bringing up Raligas coordinates, Know that this speaker personally voted to wipe the primates from the galaxy"
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>>1312472
That would be good.
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>>1312490
>>1312425
supporting
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>>1312607
If we fuck up bad enough we can just glass the planet. Might as well humor the old girl shes been through a lot.
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>>1312531
Also supporting
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>>1312640
Who Theseus does and does not trade with is hardly their concern anyway, geez mind your own business or ask him about it!
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>>1312531
Why are we doing this?
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>>1312637
Okay You have a good point. Now that you explained your thinking i see why reveal our alliance with the Skyl. I will apologise for calling anon's stupid. My bad temper got the hold of me.
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>>1312607
Ah yes. Let the humans make mistakes.

It's how they'll learn.
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>>1312660

See we still have the option of saying nothing and do you know why?

This aint a trial, not an interview for a job, and certainly not a class presentation

Its a greeting to the board members and that we are doing a hostile takeover of some company assets and have the means to do so with or with out their cooperation

We not under obligation to tell the truth, or our motives to these people at all

Especially if it will bite us in the ass later
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>>1312660
Well, there's never going to be an answer satisfactory to the humans, and we have a fleet in orbit that can arrive again at any time without warning instantaneously.
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>>1312425
>, while you claim to avoid getting involved with our own wars between humans

>"You know the second reason why we are here, if you want us to tell the rest of the parliament and your people of your leadership castes abject stupidity then please press this subject"
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>>1312676
I want to say this as well... So much to say, so little time.
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>>1312672
>>1312518
And info on any of these things are way to dangerous for any of these fuckers to know given the nature of our enemy

Such as who killed the skyl? eldritch abominations

Why fighting that queen? cause she got infested by the crystals

etc
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>>1312425
>what is your relation to this other Hive, and how many are there?

A lot less than there used to be.

Because the black hive killed them all.
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>>1312676
It's doubtful they really know. Not even Morgan has the details.
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>>1312672
>>1312673
That actually makes a bit of sense but i still would like to mention the skyl instead since saying nothing might convince the union populace our claim is fabricated.
>>1312676
Oh shit this is good, add it.
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>>1312660
Because we don't need to justify ourselfs to then. And revealing any information about this would only give her and the parliment more knowledge about the Skyl and Heretic, Unity and the Barren Queen.

Besides everyone in that room knows that Killinger and the secretary of security can anwser her this question so we should jut deflect the questions to then.
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>>1312676
This would be funny to say too, actually. If they continue to press the subject let's bring it up.
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>>1312518
>>1312676
backing since it gets my point across and puts them on defense
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>>1312693
>since saying nothing might convince the union populace our claim is fabricated

If that's a serious problem, which I doubt, we have stealth hives to establish and psionic imprinting that can fix that.
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>>1312693
The union populace is a problem that THE UNION has to handle. Not us.
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>>1312518

Voting for >>1312676
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>>1312676
Seventh'ing for the inevitable cheek.
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Christ, there's so much going on in this thread I can't keep track of it all.
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Sure is a good thing the union doesn't know about the secret hives
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Times like this I feel QD needs to lock votes.
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>>1312676
Gonna reiterate that this is a bad idea and we don't want people digging into the nothing that happened at Nowhere.

We shouldn't even give hints that people might start think there's a secret here at all. We don't know how much potential popular knowledge of Them helps Them.
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>>1312717
It usually ends up fine.

>>1312719
Yeah what this guy said. Talking about Nowhere won't get us anywhere. These guys are going to want an answer about the Black Hive sooner or later, and I've got a feeling the Skyl/Heretic will show up eventually too.
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>>1312719
Seconding.
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>>1312706
Or we could just mention the bare necessities about the skyl(We were allies and are now claiming their territory) instead of having to set up so many stealth hives, collect the resources needed to maintain them, set up the brainwashing and survive the investigations.
>>1312707
Mate if the populace thinks we're bullshiting the Union leadership can spin their propaganda to get them on board for war. Their national unity is bad for us.
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>>1312714
Some times i wonder how QD manages to do it. Then i remember he's heart almost exploded and realize that it can be really difficult.
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>>1312724
They already think we are bullshitting given how we did first contact in comparison with the CW
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>>1312722
>*nowhere will get us nowhere
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>>1312518
Supporting both of these
>>1312531
>>1312490
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>>1312724
Or we can just not care. A war with the Union over the Expanse will cost them a lot more irreplaceable things than it will cost the hive.

Their fear of losing and of the unknown should outweigh any war lust.
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>>1312719
They don't want it getting out either, all they will inference is that the union fucked up somehow and it was so catastrophic that we stepped in, and the council knows she is on the council and should take the hint to fuck off
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>>1312733
I couldn't help it.

I don't see what's so bad about telling these guys what's really at stake here, horrors-from-beyond excluded.
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>>1312531
Nah don't do this. We can dodge for now but sooner or later we'll have to answer these questions. It will be far more trouble if the Union starts making up their own answers, even if they don't believe ours.
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>>1312742
I'm not worried about what they will do, I'm worried that anons will cave to their posturing.
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>>1312724
So? It's not like we aren't willing or capable to wipe then out of the expanse.
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>>1312748
We've seen how Union politicians bullshit already.

We really won't ever have to. Has the Union ever had to explain the nuking of that lab they called a 'test'?

They can chalk it up to 'inscrutable alien logic'.
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>>1312518
"Well," Lee says, "The hive that attacked Path would be the Obsidian Hive, and-"

"I'm sorry, the what?" She asks, your speaker hisses at the name.

"It's about the closest thing you can get to a name translation. This is the Red Hive, they are the Obsidian Hive. This is the Red Hive because of generalized carapace coloration trends, which anyone who was with me on the Hope was likely to have noticed. It's like how human surnames started off as descriptions of their professions." He says, Alder nods slightly.

"So the hive you represent is at war with this Obsidian hive?" She asks, your speaker hisses again.

"Correct. I suspect it was sending a scouting party to chart the region when it arrived in Virgo. This hive's presence was purely defensive and with preservation of human life in mind."

"The fleet was far smaller than the forces repelled from Hive space. Your numbers are insufficient, but we can stop our efforts to preserve your worlds against the enemy hive if the humans wish it."

"And the relics? They are clearly not from your species." She asks after a momentary pause.

"The Skyl. Ancient allies to the Hive. Their territory extends over much of the Expanse and their relics you pillage are of great historical value. You desecrate their graves and destroy their heritage after their great sacrifices helping the Hive."

>Offer to introduce the Union to Skyl representatives
>Do not
>Other
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>>1312731
Mate the people don't even know what to think about our fleet up above they don't know why we're here. If we just ignore her question they'll think our claim is false, get pissed and march themselves into the hands of the anti-hive propaganda.
>>1312742
>>1312753
So you just want SPACE WAR? Why didn't you say so?
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>>1312724
>Mate if the populace thinks we're bullshiting the Union leadership can spin their propaganda to get them on board for war. Their national unity is bad for us.

"Gooood, war! Means more food for my family, all 3.9 trillion of em. Thats alot of mouths to feed."
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>>1312748
The union will spin to fit their agenda and not ours

Stop thinking that we can win and control the union mass media
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>>1312760
>>Do not
Heretic would want no part of this nonsense.
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>>1312715
Yep, sure is
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>>1312760
>Do not

The fact the skyl are alive stay secret at all costs
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>>1312760
>>Do not
If they figure out we just cloned them back to life the legitimacy of our claims via them will take a hit.
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>>1312760
>Do not
If they want real confirmation they'll have to take this talk horizontal first.
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>>1312760
>Do not
That mention is enough.
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>>1312760
>>Do not
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>>1312760
>Do not
That is a decision that should be left to the Skyl, we can't pretend to speak on their behalf.
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>>1312760
>Do not

We should problably ask Heretic if he wants any involvement in this after.
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>>1312760
>Do not
Heretic has no tact people.
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>>1312760

>>Offer to introduce the Union to Skyl representatives

Time to make Heretic Relevant again
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>>1312760
>Do not
We can just do what we did when we first made contact with the Union:not tell the whole truth. We mentioned the Skyl graves and how the owned these planets, but we never said if they were all gone or still alive or anything in between.
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>>1312760
>>Do not
Thought we may want to give Heretic the heads up of the possibility of humans wanting to talk to him.
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>>1312788
Not without his permission first
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>>1312760
>Do not

Just the mention of their territory in the present tense is interesting enough.

Introducing the Skyl may become necessary but I'd like to wait for it to actually become necessary. I'd also like to not do it without Heretic's consent.
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>>1312793
Fair enough, looks like my option lost the vote anyway
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>>1312760
>Other
Offer to share some knowledge about their race, including the trade language that was developed for communication with the Hive.
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>>1312790
>>1312785
>>1312784
I wouldn't go through with it even if Heretic asked for it. He's too honest and easy too trick.
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>>1312804
You just know that Heretic will start talking about "servile races" and that leads to a whole nother set of questions.
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>>1312760
>Do not
They are busy.
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>>1312760
>Do not
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Also, for the distant future, I think we and Theseus need to train Heretic in dialogue prior to meeting these other species, on top of permission and other information to keep all of our stories straight. Although the lingual teaching may backfire nightmarishly...

Certainly the Skyl might eventually have a representative of themselves that isn't Heretic, which would be optimal for the time Heretic chooses to greet the monkeys.
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>>1312788
Is the fact the the skyl is also on the void shitlist not occur to you?

And right now the void think they killed them all and trapped a few in their husks for !FUN!

And Heretic refused an offer to terraform because he wants to keep mobile to escape with the skyl?

If the skyl want to take the risk of telling others of their rebirth that is up them not us

Share nothing, let everyone think there are dead and gone
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>>1312760
>Other
Even if we don't offer to introduce them just yet, we can let them know that the Skyl still live. Also mention this to Heretic to see if he would be interested in introducing himself to the Union. That's a choice Heretic would need to make himself.
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>>1312806
Good point, the finer points of social interactions and diplomacy is beyond him. He'd probably spend most of the time giving them shit for the disaster at Nowhere.
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>>1312760
>>Offer to introduce the Union to Skyl representatives

god i love this quest so much
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>>1312760
>Offer to introduce the Union to Skyl representatives
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>>1312815
Honestly, that's not the worst thing he could do. If we have someone else giving them shit for Nowhere it gives a lot of credibility to our claim that they really, really, fucked up and we need to take over.
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>>1312822
We aren't bringing up the existence of existential void gods in front of an entire parliament, they'd leak the details in a heartbeat.
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>>1312812
I mean Heretic had a nervous breakdown once we told him what was going down at nowhere

He wanted to kill everything on that planet to make sure but was talked down by unity

He would probably exterminate the union for that fuckup
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>>1312760
>Offer to introduce the Union to Skyl representatives

His secret won't last forever. And we can show we have other alien allies, which is a big plus for us.
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>>1312760
>>Do not
We'll need to talk to Heretic about it before offering anything on his behalf. And there's the whole issue around "oh God, /another/ AI"
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>>1312760
Don't, we haven't asked Heretic about it yet. Until we do, we ain't saying anything about them, outta respect for ol pal Heretic.

>Don't
>Get Unity and Theseus up to date on our diplomatic shenanigans, tell him to bring the digital popcorn
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>>1312827
>He would probably exterminate the union
Probably? Whut? Pretty sure he wanted to cleanse the void taint from their entire race.
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>>1312822
I'm just afraid when asked why he allied with us he will not just tell about the serville races but also how we helped him revive the Skyl race.

But the last one is less likely since he might want to keep His Skyl clones safe.
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>>1312760
>Do not
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So leaking anything about the void and what happened to the skyl is a real bad idea

>>1312834
Yeah with fire and brimstone and extermantus if he could
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>>1312839
Heretic VAULT!
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>>1312827
Yeah, I'd almost forgotten how much he's willing to hit the panic button and burn everything down when the Void Gods come up. It makes sense given that the entire race he was designed to protect was hunted to extinction by their servants.
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>>1312842
>Designed
He is the amalgamate mental ghosts of the last 70 thousand free skyl, and for thousands of years thought he was doomed to fight to the bitter end alone to finish the fleet and fight the void.
At this point every mode of his except PANIC and PANIC KILL have been broken from attrition and hopelessness, we really did him a solid.
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>>1312842
Heretic lived some hard lives.

Like a few thousand hard lives.
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>>1312842
Honestly we could stand to learn a thing or two from him.

Speaking of, we never built an annihilator warhead or a ship capable of firing one. We should get on that.
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>>1312839
>>1312840
I just realized we've technically been fighting in a crusade for more than 70,000 years.
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>>1312851
Don't forget that for 70 thousand years he FAILED to complete he's main directive. Imagine living 70 thousand years knowing you failed in the main thing you were created to do...dam now i want to give Heretic a hug.
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>>1312859
Technically, we were laid a year ago
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>>1312840
>>1312842
>>1312851
>>1312859

Which is why Leaking and EVEN INDICATING that the skyl are alive to a faction that committed that clusterfuck at nowhere is fucking stupid since we cant prove how many other scientist could have been infested or how many shards the union have to say the union is clean
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>>1312858
Aren't there several ship designs equipped with cruise launchers?
>>1312864
And that makes us the newest soldier in the eternal crusade.
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>>1312859
We haven't. But our race sure has.
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>>1312865
Since we know the union had at least 2 shards and we dont have a clue as too how many they actual have given there love of multiple levels of secrecy bullshit and secret research programs

We got lucky real lucky with bugging that spook
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>>1312864
Which we really should prep for our failure, if it comes to pass, If we lay 50 queens and pods, with a thinker and anything else loaded with our history which we have recovered, then shoot them off into random directions towards other galaxies then even if we fall our species prevails
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>>1312883
There's nowhere else to run to if we die.

We stand and win or we die.
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>>1312864
Don't be silly, the Queen can just create fertile eggs on her own.
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>>1312883
Why other galaxies?
Why do you think we can reach other galaxies?
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>>1312893
Momentum
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>>1312886
We are only in a small sector of space, not even a full galaxy, also since they will have no knowledge of the thing they should be safe from the void, they just have to survive
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>>1312883
You cannot possible fit enough blink drive fuel into a pod to travel intergalactic distances.
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>>1312893
Fear

But the hive ran to this sector to escape the shards and the shards were already here before us
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>>1312902
They don't have to go ftl.
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Im starting to feel bad for every faction in hive quest, even the humans.

I mean, they were groomed and uplifted as a very young race, and because of the catostrophic hive wars they were denied the attention and care that our mother owed both of us. Thats the curse of this wartorn setting, that all these children born in war are left so woefully unprepared to take their elders places, no proper guidance, no help, only ashes and death to build on. The humans have been abandoned by the hive because there was nothing that could be done, just like the skyl, and just like us.

We three are orphaned races, stunted in our potential by all this goddamn VOID FUCKERY. GOD I HATE YOU VOID FAGS SO MUCH.
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>>1312902
Accelerate to light speed. It will eventually reach somewhere
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>>1312897
Ah, can we do that? How fast would they go and how long would it take for them to reach the other galaxies?
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>>1312893
Why other galaxies? in the hopes of finding an area where the voidgods have no slaves. also, Hive life does not age, and the third law of physics dictates they will eventually get there
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>>1312902
Depends on how blink drives work really.
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>>1312905
>>1312909

You aren't packing 3 million years of packed lunches either.

And you can't hibernate because that has a very high chance of failure to wake up after just one year, and you need something already alive to command it.
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>>1312910
At light speed Andromeda is 2.5 mil lightyears away
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>>1312908
to be fair our mother was kinda shit at being a mother to the other races
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>>1312910
That is unknown, but it is still a chance at victory in death and would hardly cost us anything
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>>1312908
It's such a recurring theme I wonder if QD...
Nah, nah, better to not let it set in.
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>>1312908
No, mom planned for them to build the psi cannon

And they did there job and built the cannon without leading the void to mom, they just managed to outlive their purpose
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>>1312903
We can try and create a new ark. But i don't think we know if the Ark came from another Galaxy of if it came from some other place. If i'm not mistaken the Ark came into this galaxy, while it was escaping something, from the Abyss.
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>>1312908
So don't feel sorry for these feral scum
Feel sorry for mother
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>>1312924
then send them on battleships where the majority of the interior is Algae farm. which solves the nutrient problem
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>>1312927
>>1312929
Are you sure you guys aren't just throwing them to their certain doom?
Cause 2.5 Mil years is a long fucking time, and it'll be even longer if you can't reach lightspeed.
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>>1312932
You know take it a step to the side, why are we constantly trying to adopt and look after all these people? Because we had to grow up on our own and be the parent, learning from hard mistakes, and really wanting to sheild our adopted babies from the nightmares we have to contend with constantly on a mental and existential level.

Its all very very sad, and I think if there was ever a human psychiatrist who could analyse us they would think the same.
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>>1312940
>solve the nutrient problem
You can't put algae farms on a ship. That's not a module. They would have no source of energy to grow from.
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>>1312928
I think she kinda knew that that is why she never layed any queens. Except for us.
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>>1312938
I swear i have never read anything that would suggest that the Ark was intergalactic, i don't know where anons got this idea from.
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>>1312958
we actually have a map that shows the ark came from somewhere near the galactic core.
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>>1312958
Yeah I'm pretty sure they did a pangalactic blink going from one side to the other to escape something (the Void?)

not an intergalactic one
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>>1312951
No only some anons want that this adopting and utopia crap is their idea of an endgame Or are just virtue signalling in a sci fi game for some reason

The rest of us want to win and defeat the shards and everything not hive is expendable to that goal
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>>1312951
I kinda like to think that our adoption attemp is a way to compasate for not having or know our mother.

So we try to replace this role by assuming the parent, in our case the motherly, role.
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>>1312952
to be honest considering the high psionic level of the ancient queens the ship probably got its power from tachyon siphons
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>>1312968
Pictures aren't canon if there's no text backing it up.
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Um guys a blink drive can accurately blink millions of light years in the void between galaxies.
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>>1312951
> why are we constantly trying to adopt and look after all these people?

>implying it is not a combination of memes newfags took up when they came to the quest, and the early diplofags not wanting to gas the ki.. kill the humans
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>>1312760
"Those relics are thousands of years old." He says, Lee clears his throat as quietly as possible.

"Well, the Hive is an ancient race, and, as as been said, has owned the Expanse, jointly in some places with the Skyl, for a very long time."

"Clearly, and it looks to me like their alliance didn't work out all that well. With your statements about the attacks in your own space, I assume the Unity isn't having a very good time either?"

"Following brief conflict during introductions, the Hive has formed a trading partnership." Your speaker says. "They have proven to be more amicable to organic life than your broadcasts would indicate. More offense has been done to this Hive by Union activity than Unity." Alder looks at the screen in front of her, invisible to you, and looks back.

"I believe that is all of my time, I yield the floor." She says, her hologram mutes and loses its color as she says something silently to someone off camera.

"Representative Conrad Killinger of Talgo has the floor."

"Fuck." Lee thinks, glancing nervously at your speaker as its mandibles clack together, as if trying to mimic a human smile with its chitinous beak-like mandibles.

"I appreciate Representative Alder in not only getting to the heart of the matter here, but doing so after being hit with such tragedy." He says with a smooth Talgoan drawl and a warm smile sent to her seat. "We have differences in opinion, but I admire your patriotism. As to the matter at hand, I'd like to continue that line of questioning with a simple question. Now Morgan said you 'asked' for the Expanse. I say you have yet to fully understand that word, let me enlighten you. 'Ask' means the other party is capable of saying 'no', and now anyone who looks to the sky can clearly see you have clearly not left us that option. The proper word you want to use would be 'demand'. You demand our colonies be handed over, and you have invaded our space to back it up. I won't deny our local defence fleet is woefully insufficient, I just want to make sure we all hold a proper understanding of what has just happened. You've invaded our capital, and are now dictating the terms of our surrender. I can commend you for doing it bloodlessly, but I still have to ask what, exactly, our real options are here. I understand you want to throw us some scraps to make the pill go down better, and with your claw at our throats the way it is, I can appreciate that too, it's not like it hasn't happened in our past already." He leans in on his desk, his real desk and the desk of his Parliament seat having a slight difference in height making his elbows float an inch from the surface as he clasps his hands together. "So, assuming the second offer is an orbital salvo, what is your first?"

>Write in
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>>1312971
>The rest of us want to win and defeat the shards and everything not hive is expendable to that goal.

Just like mother was. I can get behing that.
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>>1312968
No we don't. The only maps ever posted was evrything inside this one.
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>>1312968
Isn't that a pic from homeworld?
>>1312970
Can you show me where it says we came from another galaxy? I have been waiting for this answer since the first time people were talking about us being from another galaxy.
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>>1312946
> Are you sure you guys aren't just throwing them
What the fuck do you think? You absolute mong.
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>>1312983

Killinger you dont disappoint do ya?

Its a trap there nothing we can offer that he cant twist and say is enough and just insulting humanity
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>>1312983
...Humans dwelling in the Expanse get free healthcare?
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>>1312983
God damn Killinger trying to weasel out an offer from us.

Ask him how his fucking cat is. Don't do this.
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>>1312996
not enough
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>>1312983
>A great health plan
We also have some kittens to go to a good home.

jk, I didn't mean that last bit.
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>>1312983
Your actions brought us to this point did it not Killinger?

How are your cats doing by the way?

Go full offensive and keep him off guard and distracted, we cant win a debate with him here
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>>1312983
Didn't we mention some generic goodies, or come up with a list of it? You know, stuff like healthcare and stuff.
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Or just.
>>1312983
We have explained the deal. We will not alter it further.

Or we can say. We should discuss this not on the Parliamentary floor.
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>>1312983
How about information on the stealth ship in the Toliman system?
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>>1313011
Hell use the nuclear option and indicate we know about his try to assassinate the green

Cause whatever he got planned will bite us big
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>>1313024
Its time to use the blackmail vault and see if it is enough to keep the cunt off our backs
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>>1313024
So he'll admit to attempted assassination/murder? How is that bad?
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>>1312983
>"Your Councillor morgan as the hive has been told by lee, has been quoted as saying that your technology is dangerous to the extreme, you don't know what would happen if some extremists activated a canderon drive on a planets surface, but the thing is, Skyl artifacts are more powerful and advanced by orders of magnitude, and if an artifact is activated wrongly or without restraint, it puts the entire GALAXY at risk, not just a single race, it is as you say, there is no asking only a demand borrowing a human expression "For the child to put down the gun"
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>>1312983
>'Ask' means the other party is capable of saying 'no'
I mean, he's not wrong. Our actual reason for wanting the Expanse is for resources to fight BQ and the void gods, right? And we can't not take those planets if we want to live? So we can't really take no for an answer, and can't offer to, say, terraform another planet for them or something else expensive; that would defeat the point.

That said, what did we talk about offering the last few threads? And what can we afford to offer?
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>>1313032
That is way too absurd to say.
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>>1312983
Ah Killinger, you certainly lived up to your reputation...

"Yes, we NEED the expanse because of the Union's critical mistakes. You talk about choices - it is in no small part due to a long series of terrible choices made by the Union and YOU in particular that we are posing the demand, as you call it, to you now.

So tell us, then, what would be sufficient payment for the Expanse. Access to the best healthcare in the galaxy? Defense a terror you provoked? Trade and diplomacy? Forgiveness and absolution?

We are willing to negotiate, this is a 2 way street and we appreciate the human propensity for fairness. But we are not stupid. We know your game is to call any offer we give you meaningless. So tell us, what do you want, and we may be able to come to an agreement.

But do not think to cheat us. The Killinger has already insulted the Hive in more ways than he knows."
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>>1313031
The green is alive and still here

And he used the incident to centralize the union by saying a strong hand is needed

He still trying to consolidate the bill right now and bringing up how he tried to kill the green will derail the king bill right now

He wants to fuck with us then we will show we can bring down the inner council if we want
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>>1312983
Is it common for human speakers say that others said things they didn't? The hive never demand anything you can still say no. But this speaker would adivise against it.

>"So, assuming the second offer is an orbital salvo, what is your first?"

The first offer is this meeting.
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>>1312983
"What is it that the Union desires? Knowledge of the Skyl? Advancements in technology? Further military assistance? The terraforming or bioforming of planets? A new strain of crops? Resources? Credits? Maybe you would like a new pet cat, representative Killinger."
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>>1313035
Terraforming healthcare and defense against non human forces.
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>>1313035
it is also to stop their void research, and them fucking with skyl ruins
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>>1312983
no we are asking for the Expanse our fleet is here for an entirely different matter with the hive has been lead to believe that this level of government is not privy to you should know what it is though in that matter alone we do demand and or demands have already been said. while it is true that if you deny us the Expanse we will go to war with you we will do it from a neutral position as is civil of course the hive does not recommend this action as it would be unproductive. as for our first offer we have already stated it we want the union influence out of the Expace so the do not interfere with hive matter.
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>>1312983
>an orbital salvo
If you think we are going to leave it at that buddy your are severly underestimating our resolve. You are putting all life in this sector at risk and we will no longer allow you to proceed unsupervised.
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>>1313038
Never say NEED to that man

He beat ya to death with it

>>1312983
>>1313040
Holy shit nice
Backing
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>>1313035
Terraforming is actually stupidly cheap for us.
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>>1313035
They can still say no. But it will be ill advised. We did came at a gunboat there is no sugar coat on this.
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>>1313011
fuck it backing
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>>1313041
>Maybe you would like a new pet cat, representative Killinger.
or one of our other designer pets
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>>1313039
So you want to expose his assassination attempt? Sorry i though >>1313024
Was you saying he's going to admit to try and fuck us over.
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>>1312983
"Should the Union agree to terms, the Hive would be willing to negotiate potential interterritorial settling rights, as well as freeform trade of the Hive medical technologies and joint protection efforts.

As potential trade partners, it would also be made known that the Hive would look favourably upon other Hive trading partners easing aggression against Union properties.

This is, of course, further negotiable.

As an aside, the Hive would like to know if the Killinger's second cat was better behaved than the first."

Tempted as fuck to add "Also, the Hive would not utilize a salvo. Singular munitions are sufficient" but that might be a little too threatening.
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>>1312983
The first offer is no salvo.
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I seriously hope you guys dont vote for mentioning the cat.
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Is our TK good enough to force choke yet? I know he isn't in the room but I'm still curious.
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>>1313036
It is not a lie though
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>>1313055
Its him, he stabs ya in the front with a smile

Serious its his whole thing

We cant win in a debate on his turf
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>>1313058
I hope not. It's amusing, but personal attacks/insinuations in a public speaking like this will only go over poorly.
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>>1313047
>>1313040
B-But guys, we are demanding it!

>>1313038
>So tell us, then, what would be sufficient payment for the Expanse.
I think it would be better to instead of framing it as negotiating for the expanse instead frame that handover and our interference in their future as a done deal. The current discussion is of the future of their race going forward.
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>>1312983

I guess these work too. >>1313040 >>1313057

>>1313058
Yeah noooo mentioning the cat, god.

We can mention his obvious insincerity in his concern for Alder, though.
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>>1313069
Not if they are kept discreet and innocent like >>1313041
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>>1313061
Need medium relay for that, which is why i suggested we upgrade our speakers with them earlier in the thread.
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Offer immortality, we figured out how to stop them aging so telling them that should start a whole new shitshow and one the sly ass hat wouldn't be exprcting
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>>1313075
We did stick those on. the so called ambassador design is just new speakers I thought.
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>>1313058
Is joke!
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>>1313063
its fucking kobayashi maru

We offer something and he act the hero and say " blah blah we are not weak to give in to your thuggery Blah blah"
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: [the Operative has politely asked Mal to return River] You have to open with payment.

The Operative: That is a trap. I offer money, you'll play the man of honor and take umbrage; I ask you to do what is right and you'll play the brigand. I have no stomach for games.
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>>1313071
>I think it would be better to instead of framing it as negotiating for the expanse instead frame that handover and our interference in their future as a done deal. The current discussion is of the future of their race going forward.
Guys, anyone want to comment on this? I think it is important to re-frame the discussion here. Because there is no possible future where we don't come away from this with the expanse and with a presence in the future of the human race.
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>>1312983
OH SHIT I KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING
He's playing the "WILL NOT BOW TO ALIENS" Like he said he would do to the valens, this will get him popularity.
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>>1312983
>"it's not like it hasn't happened in our past already"
>"Are you referring to the time you sent a smith under pretense of a diplomatic mission to attack the hive?"
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>>1313076
Immortality, while great in the short term, will cause immense resource and crowding issues over time as the population shoots up. We wouldn't be doing them any favors by giving it to them.
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>>1313078
We did? Can we do Psionic shit with our speakers QD?
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>>1313083
Kill is Malcom and were the operative you idiots

We loss the moment we played his game and his rules
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>>1313089
Well that's when you put in spinebuddies to stop that whole reproduction thing.
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>>1312983
Also, answering his begging of the question might be in our favor.

He's calling out our demand, and assuming the result of denial is immediate hostilities from the orbiting fleet for the obvious misleading. We need to say that's not exactly the case without allowing the bait follow up of "then why are they there?", which may be as simple as "The primary function of the fleet is to discourage interfering hostilities from small Obsidian Hive raiders for the duration of our meeting."

Or we could double down on the Union's fleet issue by saying,

"Do you believe the Union is capable of defending the Expanse from incursions by the Obsidian Hive? Because you have not defended the Expanse from the Obsidian Hive, and others."
Or something similar. Key point is the Union hasn't been able to keep what's theirs secure in the first place... so why the hell should they expect to keep it anyways? We can totally play it off as seeing them as young speculators on colonization, with no tangible ability to defend from real threats in the expanse.

>>1313040
Seconding this too.

>>1313086
Yeah. He's playing for voting power. We can't offer anything because he'll turn it down just to get popular support. Since he knows people will be upset about the loss of the expanse, etc.
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>>1313041
I like this. We can even keep the cat in provided it is sufficiently subtle. Perhaps we can even imply something about knowing about the assassination attempt against Alder? We'd have to be very, very subtle about it, though.


I'd also like to call attention to the fact that the question itself is an insulting trap. No matter what we offer it would not be enough. Such political games are highly insulting to the Hive and we strongly recommend for good of his long term health Killinger not persist with such obvious plots.
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>>1313095
Our first offer is giving you the chance to publicly, heroically refuse our offer and disclaim responsibility for the consequences?
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>>1312983
Man even after all this time Killinger remains the poster boy for most punch-able ass.
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>>1313093
>We loss the moment we played his game and his rules
Same as with the previous person to speak and we fucked up then, don't expect any better from anons this time.
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>>1313098
I've reconsidered my suggestion and calling attention to the trap question is basically required before we can even suggest a counteroffer.

>>1313101
That's a sick burn, and I agree with the sentiment although not the exact wording. (>>1313040 is better)
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>>1313086
Then Getting the Valen that are helping him off his back is a good thing to say. Or anything aggressive.
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>>1312983
"Survival. Without us, the human race dies. This is not estimation, nor exaggeration. This is simple fact. Should you wish to condemn your race to death, we will leave with no quarrel, allowing you to flail like grubs against that which will devour you utterly."
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>>1313071
The word used is important anon. We may LOOK LIKE we are demanding. But sounding that we are ASKING is less violent then demand. Such things as bad placed words can doom a lot of politicians.

Such small word can make us sound from "No we are asking because you aren't prepared for the expanse and this put human lives in danger" to "Yes we're taking and we just want to try and pass as if we aren't. Fuck you stupid humans we are taking everything."
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>>1313101
Said that way actually makes it better, make it sarcastic and it's even cheeky.
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>>1313089
True but the idea was to throw a curveball into the debate knocking what's his name off balance and pulling attention away from the fact we have a death fleet above the world. Take away the current shit storm and replace it with one that we have better footing in.
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>>1312983
>"When you tried to open diplomatic ties with the hive, you sent the smith, you cannot claim any highground for us ensuring no further treachery, Besides if this small fleet scares you then if you refuse this generous offer you will want to close your eyes"
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There is no way Kill would pull this stunt if he didn't have backing to commit the union to fight us over the expanse in case it went sour

Prepare for SPACE WAR DRONES
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>>1313040
Supporting.

Might be nice to mention that we don't appreciate the political showboating. We might not be able to win the argument, but if we can pre-empt his attempt to spin our words in his favor then so much the better.
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>>1313041
Actually maybe this would be a good idea, if he's trying to play the "i won't bow" to gain votes we can steal his popularity by offering tempting shit.
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>>1313110
Yeah, I think it's about time to take the kiddie gloves off and up the harsh rhetoric. We are not playing politics wit this, either you get on board and cooperate or beings far more powerful than them, or even us will swoop in and annihilate everything you hold dear.
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>>1313101
Backing
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>>1313103
Bitch this isnt playing politics. Hes right, these are scraps to make the medicine go down easy, but if he really wants to play for votes then he can have them.

All 4 or 5 union citizens left alive can vote him into the position of Head of State for a hundred burning balls of molten rock and boiling oceans.
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>>1313119
No it wont, he made us into the devil
Anyone who looks like taking our deal will be declared a traitor and PURGED giving Kill more power
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>>1313116
Did no one read this or just not like it?
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>>1313120
Yeah, the idea behind my thing was this this whole situation is well beyond the Godzilla Threshold for humanity, and it's time they knew it. We can't afford to pussyfoot around- hard decisions need to be made.
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>>1312983
>>1313101
>>1313057
Also these.
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>>1313101
>>1313040
Something like these

Mention that we see what he's doing and mock it
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>>1313130
We can't release the tinman secret out of the bag. Not without proof.

And not when it's more valuable when we can just threaten to expose it and use it as leverage later.
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>>1313125
Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I think we can offer them anything. Anyone who accepts the offer will be made out to be a race traitor.

>>1313130
Too overtly threatening. Playing into his hand.
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Ok guys just think
What would trump do.
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So, it looks like the general response we're getting together is:

>Snarky comment about our "first offer"
>Calling out his political trap for what it is and expressing distaste.
>Respond to his bluff by asking what he wants and list a bunch of cool/important stuff the hive can provide. Possibly also warn about the danger of what would happen without involvement.

Anyone have something to add to this?
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>>1313138
we could just teleport a smith head right into the building
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>>1312983
Could we throw it back on him with something akin to

>"Our first contact with the Union was with a nuke placed in orbit on our planet. We are treating you the same way you seem to greet other species."
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>>1313130
To weak given the circumstances
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>>1313144
Shit his pants and ask Bannon who to hurl it at.
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>>1313125
You seem to be suffering under some bizzare delusion that the Union constitutes an actual threat in and of itself, as opposed to merely in relation to its dicking around with Void shit, and that Killinger is anything apart from a rather pointed annoyance.

We could easily wipe out the entirety of the Union. We AREN'T because it's more convenient to have another ally than to have to administer a few dozen surviving planets and the few hundreds of millions of humans that remain therein.
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>>1313144
sell us the keys to the castle after we pay him millions for a hotel
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>>1313147
Blink drives aren't that accurate, let alone in a gravity well.

Blackmail is still more valuable when you threaten to expose it in secret. If you parade it in the open you can't blackmail anyone.
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>>1313153
Why win a fight with ships that we can win with words and/or espionage? Then the ships can fight the war that really maters.
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>>1313144
Blame everyone else.
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"Nothing!" Your speaker chirps. "Humans thought nothing! Ignorant of danger and consequence with heads devoid of neural activity. Human stumbling in these matters has brought danger upon us all! Only the vigilance of your abandoned child prevented your annihilation, and the Hive's own assistance has had great consequences!"
Remember we already told that Morgan that we basically turned up here because the nowhere debacle forced our hand.
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>>1313155
He's talking about our teleportation tech "Complex matter reconstruction"
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>>1313148
I like the accusation but it makes the mistake of admitting to being a bad actor. "I'm mean but you were mean first" isn't enough of a victory.
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>>1313153
They are a distraction when we haven't no idea what OQ is actually planning

We know she has recovered from the losses she suffered from us and is just probing us at her will

Can we really afford another war at our doorstop and let OQ do whatever she wants?
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>>1313148
YAS we should definitely add this although change planet to one of our planets
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>>1313162
Yes, this.

GET ANGRY, BE INSULTED AT THIS BUMBLING FOOLS IGNORANCE.
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>>1313146
>Respond to his bluff by asking what he wants and list a bunch of cool/important stuff the hive can provide. Possibly also warn about the danger of what would happen without involvement.

They need to come up with the counteroffer. We can't suggest a counteroffer.

Basically, who has the balls to say no. If they say no, we can come back with a counteroffer.
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>>1313148
Thirding this with righteous indignation.
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Uh guys, remind me please what's the thing about Killinger and a cat?
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>>1313148
Nice but the masses wont care

He scream i knew you were dangerous and should have wiped you off like the unity should have been or something
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>>1313155
arnt most of our material moving needs met by our teleportation tech?
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>>1313161
>>1313154
>>1313151
>>1313144

Actually he would try to set up a situation where he would win no matter what.
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>>1313174
Its a quote from an earlier thread
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>>1313174
Agreed. Our speaker is allowed to get angry. These humans fucked up and fucked up big. Killinger more than anyone else. We don't need to get mad this early in the questions, but it is something that should happen.
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>>>1313162
See one of my old write ins
>Still happy about how it turned out
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>>1313184
He helped set up that black op research and met the acid speaker there

>>1313188
Well Kill did set it up to win regardless
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>>1313188
Exactly, by blaming everyone else.
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>>1313184
When he was torturing our drones he made a quip about getting a replacement cat when the first one misbehaved.
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>>1313194
But what fucking cat?
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>>1313164
No he's not, unless he's very stupid. There isn't a hive in the building and it only reconstructs complex molecules and very small objects, not an entire severed head. If it can't do life why would it be able to do a dead brain and its incredibly sophisticated cybernetic skull?
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>>1313184
How many guys forgot why we hate killinger?
It's because back when we had our drones kidnapped he showed up and said "If your cat is misbehaving you get rid of it" or some shit.
Basically from minute 1 he's been an asshole.
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>>1313192
That was you?

Good job anon it was awesome
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>>1313191
I'm iffy about an angry speaker but I definitely want a chance to go red queen assuming direct control on them. Though it's a faint hope. And it probably would give away too much.
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>>1313194
That's why the answer is to sidestep.
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>>1313184
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/36766468/#p36773000

>"I once had a cat that clawed on the furniture. You just need to know how to deal with animals." Killinger walks up to the glass where a worker's face is pressed against it, scrapping its mandibles on the transparasteel.

>"How did you manage that, sir?"

>Killinger lifts a small plastic case and hits a small button. "I got rid of it." He says. A white gas erupts from the walls and sends your workers sprawling away from the glass in pain. Conrad turns to the researchers as he straightens his tie. "A roach can chew through anything if you give it enough time. That's what the gas is for." He walks to the door, and without looking back says "I have a campaign to win, I expect your report by the end of the week."
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>>1313178
There is NO counter offer anon, they give us the planets or we invade because the stupid shits can't be trusted to have them
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>>1313178
Yes, that's what I meant. We name a bunch of cool stuff off handedly (not naming all our good shit, of course), and then ask Killinger to name his price.

Sorry for not being clear. It's getting pretty late here and I might have to turn in soon.
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>>1313201
Killinger mentioned that he did the same to his cat when he uses tear gas on our workers
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>>1313201
He was asked what to do with the uncooperative drones
He said he had a bad cat
He said he "got rid of it"
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Still thinking we should just cut the bullshit and tell them exactly what they can expect (that won't mind rape them upon hearing it) if they DON'T swallow this pill. I mean, let's face it, he's RIGHT. Doesn't mean he wins, just means he goes down smiling, and I have no problem saying 'yeah, he got us, but he's dead so whateves'.
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>>1313217
It was some sort of cooled nitrogen gas blast.
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Ok this is starting to get chaotic.
Can everyone post what they think we should say/do one more time?
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>>1313222
It was described as a white gas. could be either
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>>1313226
I don't think tear gas would have much of an effect on our workers.
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I still can't believe Psionic Telekinesis finished before either Advanced Psionic Imprinting OR Advanced Psionic Reading.

It was an even slower research than either of them and started later than Reading.
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>>1313225
Call him out on his I WILL NOT BOW bullshit.
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>>1313229
Bad rolls maybe? Or QD just forgot because of the hiatuses.
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Also why are anons not wanting to bring up the cat, they know we are a hivemind, and it should shut the cocksucker down, so would the nuke admission, or the smith, or even bringing up lyles involvement (Though we would have to say we gave him to unity)
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>>1313228
Well no shit, they then decide to dissect our acid speaker and we went H.R Giger on there asses
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>>1313218
Oohkay, I see.
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>>1313241
That whole thread had alien resurrection vibes.
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>>1313238
It would reveal we communicate with undetectable means. Because they know about psychics, it would reveal a-lot about our capabilities
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>>1313209
Thanks senpai

>>1313204
Yeah I kinda forgot the specific detail. It was a looong time ago.
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>>1313225
Call killinger out on all the shit he has pulled hell we could do the cat thing more subtlely by just naming the planet the lab was on,
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>>1313238
Maybe use Seiners notes? The "take over drones" one.
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>>1313229
>>1313234
probably more like "Meh" rolls
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>>1313250
They already know that,
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>>1313262
The only way they would know that is if they brought one of their test subjects with psionic sensitivity within range of a drone and they reacted to its tachyon emissions.

Which they probably haven't done.
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>>1313241
>>1313243
>>1313249

They then nuked the research bunker from orbit

I was tempted to set up a hive there and act like orcs (WH 40K) and pretend a feral hive had formed by escaped drones and would attack union positions on the planet

Since they had there droptrooper training ground there and wanted to see what the union could do in ground war
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>>1313225
Tell Killinger to get fucked
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>>1313233
>>1313253
>>1313269
Ok, so how do we do that? i like the idea of revealing a secret to distract the populace with a new piece of gossip.
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>>1313264
I am telling you that they already know man, how, because of their studies on us already not finding any detectable communications
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>nearly 1 hour later
It's Killinger so this is probably the climactic final question.
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>>1313225
Call Killinger out on his shit. We're getting fed up with it. Whatever you want to think, there's shit out there they CANNOT stand against. It's 'join us or die at hands not our own' time.
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>>1313266
No way that idea was going to pass back then, we were scared of the union back then

Still remember the shitstorm once we heard of the king bill and that the union was going to militarize more
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>>1313274
there is the nuke nowhere the smiths lyle seiners research lab, where we nabbed lee from, and much much more
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>>1313264
Mate, did you forget Seiners theory on how we communicate, the psionic lab's successful project and how we said we can "hear the screaming"? They have enough to at least suspect it.
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...We don't even WANT the major part of the Union. Just the fucking Expanse.
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>>1313284
Remember the shitstorm when we first found lee?
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>>1313225
This isn't helping to clarify anything.

But don't give kill la killinger any material to work with.
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>>1313281
Yes sir, this needs to be made clear to them.
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>>1313289
The Union wants to make it about them. The Commonwealth is boss in comparison.
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>>1313276
fug
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>>1313287
he clearly did or expects killanger to be an Aspie
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>>1313287
Seiner didn't even know anything about tachyons and didn't even guess. And suspecting and theorizing isn't the same thing as knowing.
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>>1313286
Most of those too weak, the only thing that can cause major pain is the assassination attempt on the green by the mirage since that will hopefully get the green to want revenge on kill for that and cause internal shitstorm in the union

>>1313293
No that was not much of a shitstorm, it was when the lee crewmembers started to ask serious questions about us and when we found out what was on the black box on there ship
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>>1313299
I hear you. We really need to make it clear to the Union that this is Not. About. You.

Remember how surprised they were when we refused to allow their designated representative put our words in their mouths. The Union is used to the Universe revolving around them and for no one is this more true than for Killinger. They are in for a very rude awakening.
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>>1313302
You said >>1313250
They already know we can communicate with undetectable means, they've been trying to find out how since seiner, just because they don't know tachyons exist doesn't mean they just think we talk verbally like all normal organic species.
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>>1313303
The system is the Toliman so we could just mention telling them everything we know about the stealth ship
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>>1313314
>You said >>1313250
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>>1313313
Damn straight.
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>>1313314
They know tachyons exist, they built a machine to study it and had lee strapped in it when we busted him from the lab

So yeah easier to accept they have an clue that we use tach to control our drones
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In b4 nobody asks about how we got Lee back
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>>1313314
I am not him
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>>1313303
How are they too weak mate in the public eye they are DAMNING casus belli , you think they are weak and the other guys want to waste time playing diplomacy,
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>>1313334
It's funny. That's one of the big questions I thought we'd have to answer, but apparently they're either content with their theories or they know.
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>>1313323
>>1313335
My mistake this killinger shit has me stressed.
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>>1313335
You don't even need to screencap, we have IDs.
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>>1313342
Same. Doesn't help that I'm browsing pol in another tab at 330AM
>>1313343
Just makes it more visible
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>>1313347
What a terrible mistake you have made
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>>1313323
But you did say >>1313302
Which is pretty well the same damn thing
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I wonder if QD is still trying to keep up with what we're saying while writing up the next post.
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>>1313334
Well it was fun but weren't any major shitstorms during it

>>1313339
Right now Kill is uniting them against the enemy aka us

Most those thing can be said as a good idea in retrospect given how we showed ourselves as a powerful enemy and some pols will take hits for not doing more against us during that time

The assassination attempt is the only thing that can cause internal strife as we would pit one faction (Green) against the other (kill)
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>>1313350
You don't think I regret it?
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Hey guys would this bit of dialogue help >>1307535
We could change "I don't believe you properly understand the danger you have exposed yourselves to" To "I don't believe you properly understand why I'm taking the expanse, you have endangered yourselves and me to a horrid war" Cont.
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>>1313357
And would freeze them by showing how far we have broken into there government without them knowing

It should cause them to panic a bit about what else we know or how many spies we have
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>>1307535
If we're going to eat him out for failing to understand how much shit he's gotten the Union into, this is a good way of putting it.
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>>1313357
>good idea in retrospect
>Anyone seeing doing things to provoke a more powerful civilization into doing what we have as a good idea in retrospect is retarded
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>>1313361
It would, actually. Especially because they don't.
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>>1313363
>eat him out
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>>1313341
My guess is we might wrap this up in another mid-week, or the Q&A will just continue off screen for a while. There's a lot more we'll need to be talking with the Union about than has just been handled here.
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>>1313361
Perhaps dropping hypothetical ship numbers in expected "battles" might also work.
For example

1 Hive ship
35 Battleships
150 Battlecruisers
500 Cruisers
1000 Frigates
3000 corvettes

In a single system for a normal fight in this war.
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>>1313362
and revealing they sent a smith/the nukes/ drone napping would lose them council votes from all the other senators because it is the perfect chance for a no confidence vote
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>>1312983
"The humans can still say no, but this speaker would not recommend it as a wise choice." Your drone says, its chirping voice far more serious in tone. "The Hive's first offer is this meeting, and the chance for you to publicly refuse and ignore the consequences. Your actions brought us here, human speaker." Lee places a hand on your speaker's claws as he notice them slowly unsheath throughout its response, and lightly pushes the drone to the side as he speaks.

"It's far less aggressive than you seem to think, actually. If you were to see a baby holding a fork and heading towards a power socket," he pauses for a moment, "well I don't know about you personally, but most people would rush to intervene. With Union research teams ripping up ancient Skyl artifacts, many of which are very old and very dangerous pieces of technology or the sufficiently advanced equivalent to toxic waste, the Hive's perspective is more or less the same. It watched as humanity began collecting all the forks in the room and then moved the fleet in when the colonists started booking it for the power socket."

"Well I'm not blaming anyone." Killinger says calmly. "It's pointless to assign human emotions and morality to an alien entity. I'm just trying to get to the brass tacks while looking out for the interests of humanity."

"We are!" Your speaker chirps. "Humans earned blame for actions of humans! Doing dangerous and insulting things with ancient relics! The hive would prefer to watch from a distance, even after human atomics were left in our hive's orbit. The humans have already made their choice, which has left the hive with no choice. We are here to offer details." The drone twitches its antennae as it chirps softly for a moment before glancing to Lee. "Humans are obsessed with choices. Not all choices are good."

"Atomics are standard for all long term satellite posts, especially in Unity space. They're programmed to target any potential looters as well." Killinger says calmly, as if explaining some trivial office protocol.

"The hive fleet is good against looters as well." You chirp.

"I'm quite sure it would be, and more." He says, nodding to you.

>Offer terraforming services
>Offer medical services (limited)
>Offer full medical services
>Offer economic trade deals
>Provide counter offer (write in)
>Other
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>>1313361
>>1313376
Basically play up the strength of OQ, their incapability to properly win against them and their need for help.
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>>1313364
in the union perspective

Just like how it was smart of us to do espionage against a stronger enemy aka union while we were weaker to avoid a direct confrontation

As we have shown that we were powerful enough to fight the union people are going to ask why there leaders didn't do enough to protect them from us

>>1313377
No they are rally to the flag right now against US

>>1313381
>Other
Black mail about the hit on the green

Since Kill deflected The sat and started rally the flag
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>>1313381
>>Offer terraforming services
>>Offer medical services (limited)
>>Offer economic trade deals
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>>1313381
>offer their lives
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>>1313351
Those are both just facts that post got wrong.
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>>1313381
Can we get Theseus to trace his call and orbitally bombard his location with as many canderon reactors we can buy in thirty minutes?
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>>1313381
See that Kill is an master
He took the Sat of the board and declared most of his actions as just in the name of humanity

He can deflect most of the incidents except trying to kill the green
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>>1313381
>>Other
Offer no orbital salvo!
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>>1313395
Since that also started the war with the CW now that i remember

Was he also the one that sent that message to the idiot grandson that started the war?
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>>1313381
>>Provide counter offer (write in)
Get out of our way or we'll simply let you fend for yourselves against the obsidian queen. We would rather avoid this senseless mass loss of life, but we have much more important matters at hand than your petty squabbling and politics.
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>>1313381
>Offer medical services (limited)
>Offer economic trade deals
They'll love our Broken Leg Serum which we carry in every corner drugstore.
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>>1313381
>>Offer terraforming services
>>Offer economic trade deals
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Jesus christo, if this man isn't a mastermind of the damn game.

Well, fuck it.

>>1313407
Backing. Sick of this shit.
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>>1313381
>Other
Activate queen mode
"Let me first begin with defense against OQ, this is something you need and i mean NEED, don't give me shit about how humanity can defend itself cause i know the Obsidian queen, we have fought her for tens of thousands of years and i am certain your stand against her won't even annoy her." Continue with >>1307535
at the "This is not a conventional war" piece.
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See ya'll in the morning. Don't fuck this up.
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Good god anons are still trying to cut a deal?

Fuck this is going to bite us in the ass
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>>1313381
>Offer medical services (limited)
>Offer economic trade deals
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>>1313381
>>Offer terraforming services
They gotta front the fertilizer for the nutrients cost obviously.
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>>1313392
Nigger, be real you know you are wrong here and are deflecting with semantics yes? you also posted this >>1313264 and entirely ignored the counter arguments >>1313275
What i am getting at here is they know they can't detect our communications, and they know that they span systems
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>>1313381
>Offer terraforming services
>Offer medical services (limited)
>Offer economic trade deals

But none of these things for free. Access to Hive technology would benefit humanity greatly. Fighting external threats like the OQ and the scavengers is what we give in exchange for the Expanse. Our blood in exchange for recognizing our claim on worlds that were never theirs.

>>1313415
>>1313407
We can still afford to be nice, and can't afford to be seen as a focus of hatred or fear. Focus on what outcome we want, not how much we hate Killinger.
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>>1313407
>>1313419
Dont think a speech for a higher cause will move his heart

Black mail or bust to bring him down
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>>1313421
This.

Please stop trying to bargain with them for their own survival. Just pull our forces back if they refuse to see reason and let the Obsidian Queen rampage across their sector of space for a while. They'll get back to us.
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>>1313381
You know what? Fuck it, backing this>>1313407

At this point Killingers attempts at hedging us into giving him shit is simply offensive. If he wants to talk trade or medicine he can do so later once he's sharpened up his act.
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>>1313430
"Bring him down" is not a goal that can be accomplished today.
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>>1313395
We don't know if that worked yet, besides if we leak the meeting ourselves in an unedited form he will look really bad
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>>1313381
>Offer economic trade deals
>Offer terraforming services
>Offer medical services (limited)

>Provide counter offer (write in)
>We will provide you with your lives and security. We will keep you from insanely destroying yourselves.

> You still don't understand. This is not about you. Humanity is not the center of the Universe and the Union is not even the center of humanity. We are willing to negotiate terms and treaties, but we will have the Expanse one way or another. You are a fool, Killinger, to think that by playing this little political game will help you. The Union is in more danger than any of you realize and from threats much more serious than our little fleet in orbit.
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>>1313430
We ain't appealing to him, we're appealing to the entire Union.

But yes, a bit of blackmail shall grease the wheels better.
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>>1313381
>offer to help them gas the squids
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>>1313429
I am focused on what we want, which is to get the Expanse and get the Union to fuck off. They want to kill themselves, fine. We'll just move in once OQ starts in on them and glass the whole planet before she can get a foothold.

Union wants to kill themselves, and I'm tired of trying to pull the baby away from the socket.
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>>1313429
>>1313430
But anons, we don't owe him or the Union shit.
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>>1313419
Addition.
"Now beyond defense from a war you should not have joined i offer many things, if you befriend me, the first is medical services."
>>1313430
He's not the only one hearing the speaker.
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>>1313381
>Offer terraforming services
>Offer full medical services
>Offer economic trade deals

>Provide counter offer (write in)
I wished we put that bastard in his place.
At least mention that the actions of the Union have put us all in danger, that is Hive, Humanity, Valen, etc. Literally Everyone. We demand that they cease any such dangerous experiments or the Hive would be forced to take action.
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>>1313407
Backing although it would be SIMPLE to just take the expanse off of them
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>>1313440
This. We're already tired of playing his fucking games. This or die- you don't GET ANY BETTER CHOICES, AND WE AREN'T THE ONES WHO'LL MET OUT THE CONSEQUENCES.
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>>1313381
>>1313407
Backing
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>>1313407
This.
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>>1313452
THEN PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE STOP OFFERING HIM SHIT YOU DUMBASS
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>>1313426
>they know that they span systems

They did one study, that lasted an extremely short time, and could not explain the drone's behavior which implied they were in communication over an extremely short distance, in the same lab.

They didn't really get to do much studying at all. Tachyon theory is high on their list for sure. But they definitely can't guess that a lone drone can contact the hive across interstellar space, which isn't even true.
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>>1313440
>>1313452
You guys realize how expensive terraforming is for us right? Just one planet is enough to make a serious dent in our resource pile.
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What do anons think of my speech? >>1313419
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>>1313450
Who says we do owe them anything? That's why I'm not giving them anything for free.
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>>1313381
>well I don't know about you personally
Heh

>Other
Your lives, safe from a kind of warfare your young species cannot even comprehend. The death toll of the betrayer can only be captured in terms of hundreds of biospheres. More bounty than you can even imagine, snuffed out and consumed to fuel the dark fleet.

Maybe if you wish to remain on amicable terms,
>Offer terraforming services
>Offer economic trade deals
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>>1313452
...Not to be as vitrolic, but I agree with >>1313452.

Don't offer THEN try to get serious with him. Just tell them that last sentence.
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>>1313381
"The Hive understands now that it made an error in how to address this issue. It was not clear enough of how this must go.

The Killinger speaks of Human interests, and reveals their lack of understanding. The Expanse must be under the Hives supervision, because it is IN the Humans self interest. Bargaining and trading for material gains and immortality can only come after the Union has demonstrated they are not the dangerous and irresponsible children the Hive fears they are.

The Hive is NOT buying your agreement to this. You overestimate your immediate relevance when weighed against the fate of countless other races that you endanger. This was never a question of what the Hive will give you to say yes. You will agree or disagree on your own merits. Then, and only then can the Hive trust you to be a true ally and equal."
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>>1313464
seems similar to >>1313407
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>>1313430
>Black mail
We're on the floor of Parliament. Blackmail requires secrecy.
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>>1313469
I second the Other.
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>>1313471
Backing this.

It's strong but still high-road rather than angry.
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>>1313470
You agree with the post you disagree with?
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>>1313471
Minus the trust and equals part it's not bad.
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>Anons playing into Killy's hands by wanting to be unreasonable alien warmongers
>Not making Killy out to be the unreasonable one in the eyes of the other representatives
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>>1313460
>>1313463
>>1313381
I thought we're trading with them, not giving it to them. If that's the case then I retract giving them anything.
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>>1313471
Not sure about the mention of immortality, but this seems alright.
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...At least it seems like the majority agrees that we're officially getting tired of this runaround.

"For your race? The worst thing we can do...is absolutely nothing."

>>1313481
Oh wow, I'm tired. I meant >>1313460
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>>1313419
>>1313471
These aren't bad, we need to hammer home how deep in the shit the Union is thanks to Killingers foolishness.
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>>1313381
>"It's pointless to assign logic and morality to an alien entity. The Hive is trying to look out for the interests of everyone."

Personally I'd like to toss in us just simply upping and leaving because of Killinger. He tries to not blame anyone so lets leave it on him for us abandoning them.
>"If you do not wish our help then so be it. The Hive is leaving."
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>>1313489
>"For your race? The worst thing we can do...is absolutely nothing."
Damn that resonates, anon.
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>>1313483
We've TRIED to be reasonable, but it's getting to the point where the cost/reward factor is tilting towards 'not worth it'.
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>>1313471
I will back it but all the diplo fags don't want to commit to an actual war and want to be Beta as fuck when we have the ULTIMATE brute force fuck your politics ready right now
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>>1313482
You have to throw a small bone now and then. We have to be the disappointed adult dressing down the unruly child, but it doesnt mean we cant take em out for ice cream if they show they can be mature.
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>>1313407
Simple. Though you'd want to mention they're a hive with no intention for anything less than the extinction of all alien life.
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>>1313489
>"For your race? The worst thing we can do...is absolutely nothing."
Fucking burned, we have to use this line.
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>>1313483
I just want a way to word punch killy's face in front off all his peers somehow
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Huh our quest is blowing out all other quests on qst out of water

Damn

>>1313496
Nah dont mention that talking to long ruins the vibe
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>>1313492
>>1313497

Thanks. All the worse that it's true. They're so worried about what we might do, they're not registering what the Obsidian Queen WILL do.
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>>1313495
No we don't we don't need to take the moral highground this is not a negotiation it is a MUGGING
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>>1313497
I agree, hell there's lots of dialogue we can use >>1313471
>>1313419
>>1313407
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>>1313460
Damn. I really am a dumbass. I agree with this guy. I kinda misunderstood what the offers were for.

Changing my vote to
>>1313381
>>1313452
>>Provide counter offer (write in)
>I wished we put that bastard in his place.
>At least mention that the actions of the Union have put us all in danger, that is Hive, Humanity, Valen, etc. Literally Everyone. We demand that they cease any such dangerous experiments or the Hive would be forced to take action.
Maybe hint at the dangers that threaten us without giving them real info.
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>>1313493
Don't let Killy's populism sour your day, there are other representatives from other worlds who might still be interested

>>1313498
That's why I say to make him look unreasonable instead of us
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>>1313471
Pretty good. Maybe we can have a sentence where we mention the "Mirage" subtly in the speech. Maybe something like:

>"Your view of your own self importance is a Mirage. Clinging to it you may as well be assassinating yourselves - it will lead to your own destruction.

Or something like that where no one but a specific few would understand the meaning.
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>>1313510
Nice
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>>1313499
Only other one that blows this out of the water is one of larros quests
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>>1313381
>>1313510
Fucking yes, seconded.
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>>1313510
I love it
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>>1313510
Wew that's good.
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>>1313510
Something like that would be be pretty cheeky. More "yourself" than "yourselves" though, direct it at Killinger rather than the Union as a whole.
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Also anyone voting that we give them nothing reply to this post because i would prefer the hive not act schizophrenic
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>>1313509
I'd imagine if any of those other worlds want to make a sudden break from the Union and join us, we'd be more than happy to have them.

Gemini's probably done for, though.
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"Your interests in Expanse are like a cat clawing at upholstery, without understanding the damage it inflicts"
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>>1313525
Stop fishing for yous, we already came to a consensus for the tone of our reply. QD knows how to combine votes good.
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>>1313513
Pokemon island adventures quest is also incredibly popular
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>>1313510
Clever.
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>>1313532
...wooooooooooow. That could hit him on several levels.
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>>1313510
It's amusing but dubious if a good idea.
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Wait a minute.
If killinger is going to get more votes, and somehow the Union refuses our offer.
Wouldn't that mean the resulting destruction caused by OQ and us in addition to the commonwealth taking ground lead to him becoming the most hated and despised leader in Union history?
Is Killinger being Killinger the best thing that could happen to us?
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>>1313532
Hehe, those quips go well together.
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>>1313510
fantastic work anon
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>>1313533
Not fishing for Yous trying to show that enough of us are entirely against offering anything for it to not be included at all
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>tfw can't sleep or killinger will gas your drones

>>1313532
Das good.

>>1313543
Think QD can sort it well enough at this point.
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>>1313540
It's a suboptimal result, but an acceptable one. The key would be to swoop in as OQ is distracted with corrupting the humans and then bumrush her.

If they won't be allies, they'll be bait.
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>>1313540
Pretty much
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>>1313532
Oh geez all these burns.
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>>1313540
Just watch, the OQ won't attack humanity and will just focus on us in the Expanse.
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>>1313540
The union would cease to exist within a week so yes
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>>1313548
>>1313549
>>1313552
>>1313553
Well look on the bright side, Killinger will lose his power and popularity and it will be all his fault.
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>>1313532
>>1313510
Now we just need a reference to a tin man.
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>>1313541
>>1313538
>>1313532
>>1313551
Hmm, could tie it to his politics.

"Your posturing here is like a cat clawing at upholstery, only concerned with the shine of its claws, ignoring the damage to the bigger picture it inflicts. How would you discipline such a creature?"
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>>1313540
You're forgetting who's running against him.
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>>1313555
Guess we played him and the union like a damn fiddle.
Hell with all these burns our speaker must have went from bursting hatred to unconstrained smug and he'll be to late to realize he fell for our trap instead.
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>>1313559
At this juncture, it barely matters. Gemini's probably gonna get glassed sooner than later.

...Wait, CAN we glass planets? I know we can do a lot to them.
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>>1313552
>OQ won't attack humanity
>OQ will just attack the Expanse that will still contain humanity because they said no
What.
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>>1313559
With what he's doing now he'll probably gain a great lead against him, which is what we want.
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>>1313565
We're going to be in the Expanse regardless, and Killinger only loses face if Union-controlled worlds get hit by the OQ.
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>>1313564
And when Parliament is ashes, the power vacuum will be rapidly filled if there's actual psionic manipulation going on that isn't us.

And let's be real it'd be nigh impossible to get a vote for glassing
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"Refuse us if you must, we will leave. The Obsidian Hive will not ask you to give up the sector, she will only ask you to die. The hive is here attempting to prevent this."
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>>1313564
We have individual planetwiping bombs that replicate Kharak from Homeworld, if i recall correctly
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>>1313568
Didn't you just say it would make Killinger the most hated. That would give the reverend a lead.
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>>1313571
...yeah, I know. Honestly, despite me saying it, I'd find it iffy unless OQ's creep was getting too much. Mercy kill, y'know?
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>>1313571
Not enough warhawks around anymore How much i want a quest that outright locks diplomacy out as an option, or better yet lets them pick a diplomacy based build only for them to die in the first session and start over.
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>>1313582
I would rather the easily manipulated zealot that we have the chance to parasite since he has expressed interest in meeting lee, than the wildcard that is this scheming bastard
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>>1313582
You got the order wrong, he'll get the lead over the pastor, win the human contest and become king, then realize he can't stop OQ, the commonwealth and us from taking literally everything, after that he becomes the most hated human leader.
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>>1313590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0
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>>1313597
True, plus if we meet him we can test for void fuckery.
Then we just play our role in killingers fantasy play until he can't get out.
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>>1313381
"The Obsidian Hive has tasted blood, and will continue to attack and consume." You say. "The black fleets will cast a shadow over your worlds with their numbers and leave only airless stones behind. The Red Hive can intervene, or it can watch. The most destructive action we can take is nothing. That is your offer." Your drone chitters as it looms over the podium, its blades visibly quivering in their sheaths. "Your perceived power is a mirage, which has vanished as the sudden death of a star." Lee stamers for a moment as he tries to nudge the drone away from the microphone.

"I have already had a rather productive conversation with Secretary Morgan regarding that. I think there are a number of things the Hive can provide in time, through trade or additional treaties to make full advantage of the Hive's superior technology." Lee says quickly. "Things like advanced medicine or terraforming technology as well as humanitarian aid or food supplies. For now, however, I think it's important to note any future deals would require your agreement to the outlined terms." He says, your speaker hisses behind him. "And this agreement should not be taken as payment for them, but in the future I think there are many places where a mutually beneficial agreement could be made." Killinger sits in silence for a moment before leaning back in his chair and flicking some unseen switch on his console.

"I yield the floor."

"Representative Ian Rand from Mentan has the floor." A wiry looking man with rimless glasses comes into focus. He is wearing a rather expensive looking suit and his eyes are a pair of marble white orbs with decorative gold viruses and natural looking veins of gold flake running out from the pupil, the prosthetics making the glasses an obvious and rather tacky looking aesthetic choice.

"I would first like to thank the other representatives for their fine and quite pressing questions, but with them all answered, I just have one more; assuming it is a kind of superorganism or collective consciousness, is it a distributed or consolidated intelligence, and if somewhere between, where exactly between the two extremes?" He asks, his hands held tightly together with his index fingers outstretched and held to his chin, as if pondering the question himself. You can see the muted images of several other representatives show their distaste for the question's perceived irrelevance as Killinger rolls his eyes and mutters something offensive.

>Write in
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>>1313602
lol
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>>1313597
>easily manipulated zealot
Zealots are the opposite of easily manipulated. They have unbending principles and/or fanatical devotion to the Pope and/or crystals.

Killinger is much easier.
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>>1313597
Zealots are usually so devoted to the cause nothing can sway them. They don't operate on logic at all. Killinger was probably the best shot we had.
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>>1313607
Oh just FUCK OFF YA CUNT

FRAK IF THEY TRY TO AMBUSH OR DRONE RIGHT NOW WE BURN THIS FUCKING WORLD TO ASH

AND ANONS BETTER NOT TRY TO ANSWER THIS FUCKER
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>>1313607
"Apologies, but the Hive does not wish to provide a detailed answer to that question."
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>>1313607
Oh that clever son of a bitch.

This guys the real smart one of the class, I see.
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>>1313607
"Is it not simple? This Speaker speaks for the Hive, warriors fight for the Hive, workers work for the hive. Perhaps this Speaker does not understand the question."

Probably don't mentioned the queen.
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>>1313607
"we are the hive that is all"
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>>1313627
At this time, anyways. Perhaps in the future when a more stable peace is achieved and encroaching Armageddon is stopped.
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>>1313607
No comment :)
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>>1313607
Evade the question
a simple "We have no obligation to answer whereas you are obligated to Answer our question Do you accept our offer or will it be war"
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>>1313607
"Shouldn't you take me out on a date before asking for my secrets?"
Then >>1313627
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>>1313628
Wait, Killinger or Ian? What's the smartness for it?
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>>1313607
We can admit some of the truth here without losing anything, and refusing to answer could lose something.

Lying gains us little because the Union intelligence circles have already guessed and confirmed the truth that there is a large amount of centralized control, and a denial would seem like a lie. That said, we don't have to directly confirm it.

Hiding the truth would also undermine our appearance of honesty and of having a superior bargaining position. So instead...

> "It is somewhere between. All Hive life has intelligence, and some have more than others. All work for the good of the hive."
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>>1313607
The hive would be far beyond happy to explain ourselves and our society in coming culture exchanges, however as of this moment your question has little bearing. To avoid wasting time, or offending you, we offer a short answer.
We are both consolidated and distributed. The former attesting to this speakers tolerance of this tomfoolery, and the latter as evidenced by the schizm between our two hives.
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>>1313627
You dont understand,refusing to answer is an answer in and of itself. This new guy is probing for weaknesses or points of vulnerability. Not answering is the same as saying "Why yes, we do in fact have a singular point of potential failure and we dont want you to know about it. I hate you by the way"
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>>1313607
The hive is a hive. Every drone is precious.
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>>1313607
Fuck off, this is a diplomatic meeting concerning territory, not a social call. Your nation has consistently displayed grave disrespect to the hive pursuing this questioning already.
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>>1313640
Ian, see my previous post.
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>>1313643
Lose what? literally what do we lose man? we need to be consistant here

>>1313644
backing
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>>1313643
>>1313607
Actually, yeah. Seconding the safe half-answer.
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>>1313607
"The research paper published by Dr. Seiner suggesting the possible "manipulation of lone, leaderless drones without concern of moral implications" is offensive and shameful. Furthermore, this is impossible."

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/35777339/#35779625 for reference
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>>1313643
>>1313607

I'll second this
> "It is somewhere between. All Hive life has intelligence, and some have more than others. All work for the good of the hive."
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>>1313607
>"Perhaps the humans should send more mercenaries to try and kidnap drones if they want to find out"
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>>1313643
Seconded. Or if really pressed, something like "The members of the Hive serve and love Mother and her Daughters" thereby deflecting the idea of targetting a single individual being a viable endgame target.
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...I'm surprised no one asked about our human guests. Just realized.
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>>1313663
Oh shit. I had completely forgotten about that, how is it that everyone on the floor has forgotten about that?!
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>>1313663
They dont care since they dont matter at all

Not to us, not to them
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>>1313643
They haven't confirmed anything, that's what they're fishing for now. Just tell them they aren't entitled to ask that here after the abuses they have inflicted upon the hive.
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>>1313643
Dude your misconception is that this is bargaining it is not, we are the goddamn bully taking a kids lunchmoney right now we literally owe them nothing not even an explanation yet they owe us EVERYTHING
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>>1313653
>Lose what? literally what do we lose man?

Division in the Union about whether we're a threat to them. Clearly hiding or lying suggest we're a threat they should fight against, but we can also not give away anything value.

You're the guy who just said they hate any diplomacy at all, I don't expect you to agree right now.

Having the Union at least divided on whether we're a threat to them is good. Getting them all on Killinger's side against us is annoying.
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>>1313660
haha, let's do this
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>>1313664
>>1313665

I had at least figured they'd have asked a loaded question vis-a-vie Lyle and/or Elizabeth.
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>>1313668
>The fuckhuege fleet in orbit does not already suggest that,
>they aren't already divided
>We are very much a threat and trying to pretend otherwise is sheer retardation,
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>>1313673
They dont matter at all right now, only thing matters to them is the expanse and telling us to politely fuck off

>>1313627
>>1313633
>>1313631
>>1313649
>>1313657
Backing anyone of these
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>>1313666
I had the impression that it was basically confirmed during the first Smith incursion in our first hive complex.

>>1313667
see >>1313668
and then
>>1313602
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>>1313653
This ian fellow is fishing for info on command structure. Its literally our only real weakness. Not answering him basically says that we have a vulnerable command structure because there is a single potential point of failure.
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>>1313643
At any rate, backing due to >>1313647 logic.
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>>1313668
You know why i hate it? because 90% of the time it is out of character. and boring, i guaranfucking tee if this quest started later anons would have tried to diplo the black queen
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>>1313682
No it leaves them hanging since the speaker could also be leadership

The cant prove were concentrated or distributed until the put one of our drones under the knife

So it just leaves it in limbo man
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>>1313681
They were operating on that theory but from what I've seen they haven't had any hard evidence to back that up. Evidence the reason the smith was deployed, but we slagged his metal ass before he could get out of there.
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>>1313684
>started later
What?
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>>1313643
Supporting.

Thank him for his interest, but apologize and state that further elaboration will be considered a matter of cultural exchange.
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>>1313684
Out of what character? We've never been murderhobos.

>>1313686
Don't the Smiths have quantum comm connections?
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>>1313685
That's the logic trap. Overthinking the response. The easiest way to throw them off, really, is a casual half-lie. Answer it easily to make him think we think that question is irrelevant, too.
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>>1313690
No they do not. That was speculation on our part but QD pretty much outright stated that even the most compact relays are far to bulky to conceal within a humanoid frame.
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>>1313683
Which is why >>1313660
is the best answer


>>1313690
We also have never been human and have little and less reason to care about human life, we actually have more reason to hate the fucks than anything

>>1313688
in 2016
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I pray that anons are smart enough to realize that it is smarter to leave that egghead question hanging since it cant prove or disprove anything

>>1313690
The smith did't see anything important we slagged it before it reached anything important

>>1313691
Safer to ignore and just act offended man, we dont need to take stupid risks
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>>1313685
There is literally no reason for an intelligent superorganism to refuse to answer what would otherwise be an irrelevant question about a caste based insectile communal societies source of sentience if it wasnt important, damning, or vulnerable. Dudes a Mentan and clearly intelligent, its not a hard deduction.
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>>1313684
True enough, it's always the first instinct of anons to buddy up with everyone. I like to think what we're doing here is a good balance between murdering everyone and just giving them stuff they don't deserve.
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>>1313692
Ah. Then the only other thing I have on that front is a vague memory of a scientist that was very interested in the degree of centralization very early on. IIRC he was later involved in the dissection of the kidnapped drones. Am I remembering that wrong? And is he still alive?
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>>1313696
>in 2016
What?
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>>1313643
>some have more than others

...Much like humans, obviously.
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>>1313643
>>1313689
These
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>>1313699
He cant prove fuck all with out a sample, so not answer doesn't prove or disprove anything

So we dont need to answer since it can be tossed to us being insulted
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>>1313699
Other than it being irrelevant unrelated to the issue and the insect in the room itself already being shown as extremely irate?
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>>1313701
That would be steiner you're thinking of, and no, he is most certainly not alive. I recommend going and re reading that thread, it always fills me with joy.
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>>1313708
Oh hell yes are speaker is pissed

Just let the rage out at being asked that fucking insulting question at this time
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>>1313702
HQQ started in 2014 when anons were much more bloodthirsty
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>>1313709
Reminder that Seiner did nothing wrong and the Chandra incident was an inside job.
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>>1313711
No remember orge civ quest? that was nutbar diplomacy going on in there

Just for some reason hive quest kept us on edge
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>>1313711
What if some finished going through puberty?
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>>1313711
The fact that we were a young and vulnerable hive made us a whole lot more cagey back then. When the Union put a shitload of nukes over our planet and Siener started fapping to the idea of experimenting on our drones, it sort of set the tone of our opinion of them.
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>>1313706
He doesnt have to prove fuck all, since hes trying to develop working theories and avenues of research.

We dont want them fucking looking into that shit about our command structure, so why NOT be vague with a half truth lie of omission respond with literally the most most fucking suspicious line in history?

"Jimmy have you been sneaking cookies?"
"...I dont wanna answer that."

Really? Reeeaally?
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>>1313711
No they wernt diplomancy was still the general way of the land.
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>>1313719
There going to look into our command structure anyway anon

They are not stupid, they going to try to find out about everything about us, diet, reproduction, our ships, how we tick

You cant stop the inevitable but we dont have to give them tips

So Dont Answer the Stupid Question
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>>1313719
>"Perhaps the humans should send more mercenaries to try and kidnap drones if they want to find out"
Shifts the conversation topic and since the speaker is PISSED already would be seen as a a rational response while also implying that all drones are fully sentient
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>I'm just waiting for QD to post and imagining how fucked Killinger is if the Union rejects our offer.
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>>1313714
The one quest where diplomacy literly could not fail
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>>1313721
I think the hatred of the Union has condensed into hatred for Killinger, since it became clear that there are other factions and that he's behind most of the bullshit.
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>>1313722
It'd just galvanize them if we didn't. Everyone knows 'no comment' is 'yes but I don't want to say anything specific.'
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>>1313710
Your alternative after acting like we are the more mature, adult species looking down on dangerous children....

Is to throw a tantrum in the middle of parliament or whatever...?
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>>1313721
Tell that to the crew of the Hope.
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>>1313721
It's considered a low-risk strategy and anons are very risk-averse, making it conspicuously popular.
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>>1313607
"All drones serve the Hive." Your speaker says. "This speaker speaks for the Hive, but it does not see the relevance of the question, or how it is not obvious."

"I assure you, it is far from obvious, and it is quite relevant as to prevent any further confusion, misunderstandings, or unintentional moral dilemmas." He says. Your drone chitters back.

"Such as the papers of the Seiner?"

"Yes, exactly." He replies, his tone demeanor entirely ignorant of your speaker's pointed tone. "His theories estimated a low level of individual sentience concentrated in a central command structure rendering individual drones something like a biological tool or an extended limb, but he was never able to prove how they could communicate over sufficiently long distances and with sufficient bandwidth to permit a total exporting of brain function, which would imply individual drones do have some individual thought process. I hope I'm not being insulting, I don't mean to be and if I am it's purely by ignorance, which it is my aim to alleviate."

"All Hive life holds intelligence." Your drone says. "Some more than others, but all drones work to serve the Hive. Further cultural exchange will require additional agreements. The human speaker is not a good speaker, it asks poor questions at the wrong time." The man quickly types out something on his console before looking back up to your drone, as if he nearly forgot about it.

"Thank you, no more questions. I yield the rest of my time." He says as his image loses its color. Holst comes back into focus again.

"Further questions from the representatives should be fielded through Secretary Morgan's office of Foreign Communications, or through the, ahem... Red Hive's embassy at their discretion. The representatives of Parliament thank the ambassadors for their time. Should there be any request for redaction of this meeting, in whole or in part, please take the floor now freely and it will be held in confidence, otherwise we will move for broadcast and the next matter will be brought forward."

>Request information be kept from airing
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
>Other
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>>1313722
You are FOCUSING them into looking at the correct path with quite literally the shittiest metaphorical pokerface ever concieved.
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>>1313722
Fuck Steiner saw us for a second and got funding and got go ahead to try to figure out how to control us

And we went Giger on his ass

And now you want to answer this chucklefucks question and gibber that we tell a lie we can throw them off the trail?

Godd fucking luck man, after what we did we they are going to devote everything to figuring out how we work

>>1313727
He asked are we one of the other, no comment means we didn't indicate either anon

>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313728
there is a difference between ANCIENT and mature m8, And also m8 you ever seen an old man get fucking livid? there is a difference between showing anger and throwing a tantrum, you know with the blatant threat displays that the speaker keeps throwing out
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313732
Requesting it not be aired just means it gets leaked.
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>>1313732
>>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313732
>>Allow the meeting to air to the public
It´ll be leaked anyway

Also have Lee and Speaker anwser some more public questions
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public

I mean, we could have done better, and the news will spin it hard, but.
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313732
>>Allow the meeting to air to the public
>>Ensure it is unedited
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313743
If we can do that, then sure.
>>1313746
Also this.
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313739

So you want us to portray ourselves as very old babies? Getting mad in public doscourse is looked down on by pretty much everyone.
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Think we can reach 2000 posts anons? what is the HQQ record anyway 3000 on tg?
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public.
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public

>>1313752
Probably, if we keep arguing about stupid shit like we were last week, but for what purpose?

>>1313739
We just don't like Killinger.
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>>1313750
>Nigger what i am saying is THE SPEAKER WAS ALREADY SHOWN TO BE OBVIOUSLY UPSET. and as such it would not have been considered a deflection to brush the question off with an angry jab,
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
If there's a way of ensuring factual accuracy that'd be nice, but the media will spin it one way or another
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>>1313752
Doubt it QD will probably wrap up with the next post
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
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>>1313732
>Request information be kept from airing
We really should keep that part about "dangerous artifacts" and the fork in socket metaphor secret...

There is nothing more valuable sounding than 'incredibly dangerous artifacts'.
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>>1313752
/tg/ had a 400 something post limit, we'd just start a new thread once the old one was on page 10
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>>1313758
>not understanding the difference between showing anger and acting petulant
>not knowing that petulence is pitiable, not intimidating
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>>1313766
Bump limit just meant that it would stop bumping up, not that nothing more could be posted there was a 300 image limit though
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>>1313764
Also mentions of Unity in the session, because Unity is only believed allied with a hive because of the Nowhere incident.

So anyone watching will think, wait, allied with Unity? And want to check where that got learned.
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>>1313732
>how they could communicate over sufficiently long distances and with sufficient bandwidth to permit a total exporting of brain function, which would imply individual drones do have some individual thought process.

>"All Hive life holds intelligence." Your drone says. "Some more than others, but all drones work to serve the Hive

I mean, we answered the question fairly accurately. The individual drones definitely do have their own thought processes, especially if they have an advanced brain, but the thinkers can control the drones, and obviously the thinkers are controlled by the queen.

>>1313770
Probably at Raligha where the Hope was destroyed by Unity, but the ground forces were attacked by Hive in a fairly obvious coordinated action.
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>>1313768
>Not understanding that there is no being more intimidating than having a large fleet above a capital world while having their guns pointed downward
>Not understanding that holding the highground is fucking irrelevant so long as we defeat the voidgods
>Caring about how we appear to the monkeys that fucked us on a metaphysical level
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>>1313732
>Allow the meeting to air to the public
Fully unedited, and only unedited
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>>1313773
It's precisely to focus on the void gods that I'd rather not have the Union united in fucking with us. As long as we can keep them from openly fighting us it's as good as them not existing, at least until we run out of worlds.

Meanwhile the Commonwealth is helping with the fight against the scavs, who have been a real pain, and we're getting some tech from them too. That's definitely better than not having any cooperation, much less having war with the Commonwealth at the same time.

If at some point glassing a human world is the best way to win the war against the void gods, that's one thing. But I'm not seeing it here and now.
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>>1313732
Lee and your speaker begin making their way back to the exit, following the bailiff as he swipes his hand over a panel by the door, Holst still droning on regarding various scripted statements of no discernable practicality. The lights go dark again as the doors close and the dimly lit hallway returns to its soft glow. You can hear the assistants discussing various technicalities of the matter as some other low ranked bureaucrat sits in a makeup chair.

"Well, that certainly could have gone much worse." Lee says. "I mean, statistically speaking. All in all, it wasn't so bad." He looks up to your speaker as it squats to all fours as it passes through the door. "We could always take the Valen up on their open offer for a dinner meeting. Maybe you can have a competition to see how much of a mess you can make eating fish?"

>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
>Refuse for now
>Other

And it is five in the morning, so I think this is a good stopping point, but I will stick around to see this vote's result and to take any questions/comments/feedback and the like.
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>>1313785
Cause these fuckers may stab us in the back later on the assumption that they can pull it off and distract us during a pivotal moment

Or they lie and continue the research we told them to stop because they figure since we fear it, it must be able to defeat

>>1313789
>Refuse for now
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>>1313789
>agree too it.

This drone was late to meeting, is it forgiven?
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
Speaker does not shirk from speaking.
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen ambassador

I don't think we'll get much more out of them than maybe opening up trade ties some more and agreeing that they're not going to contest our claim in the Expanse.

Have they not been attacked by any of these other groups yet?
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>>1313792
Let wait a bit and gauge the fallout of the released meeting first

Cause what ever happens will dictate the leverage we have in future meetings
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen ambassador
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
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I've been sitting on those trade ship designs for long enough.
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>>1313797
Oh and this as well.
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
One could hope they're more amicable.

Is eating messily a normal Valen custom, should we practice it as a sign of respect?
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I strongly suspect that the Valen knew the hive would detect the faint radio signal of the eavesdropping piece of dust, and was just trying to gauge if we would admit we knew it was there or not.
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>>1313789
>>Refuse for now
The valen are completely untrustworthy and we've had our fill of lies and bullshit already.
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
This should be good. I can respect these guys.

>questions/comments/feedback and the like.
Good session, but I'm wondering if we've made mistakes. Killinger's such a cunt, though. Well he can be the king of ashes if he wants.

>>1313808
Everything's fair with those guys. It was probably both a test, a challenge, and an attempt to get more information.
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>>1313797
Shit. The meeting is public now... If we'd kept the demands for the Expanse a secret.

The Valen at Aral would not have any warning that the hive would probably attack to stake its claim in the result of a No vote.

But now they do have warning.
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>>1313809
>>1313811

Well no shit, and there going to lord over us about what happened in this meeting since they were watching

But since the diplomacy/adopt/babysitter anon block too huge were just going to rush into it with out preparations
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>>1313812
Cause you know what would help, understanding how this meeting effected our standing among these groups,

Were solid with the CW since they need us to kill scavs

And we had a fleet in orbit and the union still told us to fuck off

But the valen? what fucking leverage do we have on them? we will be at a disadvantage with them
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>>1313815
Fleet is a pretty universal argument.

We are kinda incapable of losing to any faction within the Union.

We are holding all the cards.
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
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>>1313817
Do you really think a vote for total war that is require to beat down the union would ever win?

We would be hobbled in that in every single fight that as there would be demands that we min the damages to the special snowflakes that are humanity

The war would be dragged down by anon demanding we adopt and put resources in setting up cribs so we can show off how good we are

All while OQ can do whatever she wants
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen ambassador

And that's it for tonight, will try to stick around for a bit still for any questions and the like.
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>>1313823
We are powerful, but nowhere near powerful that we can fend off the OQ without using everything we got if she decides to launch an all out offensive

And we already committed resources to stalemate the scavs in CW space
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>>1313823
>Having to build cribs.
>When we have the oviporisor.
It's easy even if we went the "Adopt everyone" route.
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>>1313824
GG, thanks for running
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>>1313833
Cribs is infrastructure, ya know food, water, shelter, entertainment etc

adopt is code used for the parasites so you must be new then

What a waste of resources
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>>1313824
Thank you for running!

Now question; have the Commonwealth already launched an invasion on Sol? What's the status of this invasion, how long has it been going on, and how large are the fleets involved?
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Huh, maybe we could've done the Valen guy a favor by telling them to sell any investments in the Expanse now, before the announcement, so they'd owe us.

>>1313824
Will we ever fit in crunch votes again?
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>>1313837
Magnus's flagship and its escorts have engaged the Union's defending picket forces, and is moving in on Mars right now. A Union response fleet is likely already en route.
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>>1313824
Rest well. We will surely argue to get this thread alive a bit longer.
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>>1313840
How big would be the morale boost for taking back Sol be in the Commonwealth

Since the only reason i can think of that Magnus himself would go take it is because it is a symbol
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>>1313840
Holy shit, do you think you could write up what the battle looks like from our pod? This is possibly the biggest military event in human space in nearly a century, I want to hear about this.

I hope Commonwealth dudes get their homeworld back.
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>>1313841
The last thread lasted for over a week, just because new thread creation on /qst/ is so slow.

>>1313824
Thanks for running.

Not really a question, but hopefully that took Killinger down a few pegs. Or maybe it showed too much of our hand in front of everyone.
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>>1313846
It would be huge, the Commonwealth never stopped identifying Earth as its capital even when it was forced out by the Union. Getting it back would be a massive symbolic victory for them and a vindication of all their efforts.

>>1313841
We still got 133 posts till we hit 2000, lets hop to it.
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So what does everyone thing we should do if worst case scenario happens and we're stuck with King Killinger but the humans have accepted our deal?
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>>1313859
>Killinger in charge instead of void corrupted nutter
>Accepts to relinquish the expanse while we give them nothing
That sounds more like an ideal case scenario.
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>>1313859
Nothing, just nothing unless we are provoked by them doing something stupid, like them restarting there void shard program
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>>1313806
Maybe it's something like acustom. Just like it's in Turkey that if you don't burp after eating a meal, it actualy means you didn't like the food.
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>>1313863
Not really, it might be Killinger gets his king seat and just like now he uses his tricks to lower hive popularity, basically leaving us with the Union in it's regular position of being capable of fucking with us.
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>>1313824
Thanks for running QD, will there be a thread on Sunday?
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>>1313873
Look anon, when it comes right down to it, we don't actually need the Union for anything. They don't have any ability to coerce us or force our hand, what difference would a lower approval rating have on us?
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>>1313881
>what difference would a lower approval rating have on us?
It would allow killinger to dick with us more.
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>>1313881
Cause they can send a fleet to hive prime and maybe manage to glass our capital planet if the get lucky

Or the restart the Void Shard program and they actually succeed in fucking everything up

As long as they think they have options they are still a risk to our plans
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>>1313887
As we saw what happen with nowhere that forced us to dump all our other plans and redo it from scratch

And i dont think any anons want a repeat of nowhere
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>>1313873
>capable of fucking with us.
>>1313883
The only thing he is dicking with is our own dicking with him which we are pursuing more for giggles than anything else.
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How well do Containment Fields and Rapid Damage Control work together? Do they improve each other's effectiveness?
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>>1313823
Union pissed us off good. If need be we can select a few planets and drop the WMDs on them for field research purposes. That and I want to see our spores in action before releasing it on the OQ.
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>>1313887
>>1313892
After nowhere I think I'd vote to leave the Union to the Void god if they were stupid enough to try that again.
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>>1313824
So on a scale from one to ten how'd we do?
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So who else is excited that we finally have a queen daughter/aunt to finally help us around with the war effort?

I can't wait to see what valuable tech she will unlock for us.
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>>1313789
>Agree to speak with the Valen embassador
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>>1313873
I don't see why we should be concerned about being popular to the Union. It may be easier for us to take the expanse without bloodshed but let's be frank. If they keep trying to sway us with diplomacy we should show then we aren't afraid of a war.
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>>1313887
If the union was stupid enough to try and repeat the project from nowhere, i don't even Unity could say something about it, and heretic would launch a full on campaing to purge the Union.
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>>1313847
Their arrival was the opening post for one of the previous threads
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>>1314101
Well yeah, but that was only a couple of sentences, I'd like something a little more descriptive than that at some point.
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>>1314113
I would rather that QD focused on writing the quest then doing some random write-ins.
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>>1314073
Im torn between cause for a demonstration of our power so that they know not to fuck with us, and wanting to avoid even that because they WILL hold a grudge. If we have to we can bring up that 15 year lease thing some anon brought up before.
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>>1314203
>QuestDrone
We've already shown our power by putting a fleet over their heads, which will certainly cause resentment. If we push to hard, they may push back, and then we're fighting another empire; a human empire, which might hack off the Unity. So, I'd say we don't get aggressive here.
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>>1314222
disregard the greentext, sorry
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>>1314222

Which the Commonwealth are fighting, remember. So, at worst, we just join the Commonwealth in both their fight against the Scavs and Union.
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SPACE WAR GET HYPE
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>>1314228
I think a better idea which has already been mentioned is, let the humans fight eachother because if we intervene then the other side will resent us for it. However, if they start doing mutually destructive bullshit like glassing a planet or other retarded shit, we will step in and tell them to knock it off. After all, the more production power the humans have after the war, the more they can help us in our war.
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>>1314334
That's not a bad idea. The older hives fought between each other all the time, so the Union-Commonwealth conflict definitely fits into that understanding. Glassing planets is just poor form.
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>>1313789
>Maybe you can have a competition to see how much of a mess you can make eating fish?
That gave me a good giggle. Thanks for running on a weekday QD. Are you still running this Sunday?
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>>1314334
Sounds reasonable, but if they've worked themselves to that point, we may have to /force/ them to stop. Scorched earth would suggest one of them was losing badly enough to not care about re/taking those worlds.
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>>1305694
>Barren Queen
Just a thought: what would she be known as after she's fixed?
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>>1314203
We can always wait for aunt spores and let then do their thing in Path. I'm just having this picture of a nervous Killingers trying to get a hold on our speaker so we can help with the spores.

I almost want to release the thing from containtment and let it rampage Path a little bit to. But i would rather wait for the spores.
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>>1314928
Why contain it?
Why contain anything?

Let them reap what they sow and have fate grant them the hindsight which proves us right.
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>>1314843
Red+Grey= Maroon

So the Maroon Queen or the reborned queen.
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>>1314943
You know what? You are right since they don't like to be protected from the space horrors let then taste it without us to fix their shit.
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>>1314843
The faded queen, the pale queen.
>Red Queen
>Black Queen
>White Queen
>Pale Queen
See where I'm going with this?
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>>1314954
>>1314943
>>1314928
I really don't think that Thing getting out is the worst thing for us. Worst-case the Union loses a major industrial world and it has to be glassed, which is unfortunate for their productive potential whenever they decide to quit being retarded children but might just be a necessary price for them to stop being retarded children.

On the upside, we get the opportunity to watch the Union pull out whatever tricks they have up their sleeve as they try to contain what is in all likelihood a planet-killer-esque bioweapon.
We get the possibility of earning brownie points by assisting them against it.
We will assuredly get a sample of it.
They learn that you really don't want to mess with us, by virtue of the sorts of enemies we've stared down in the past and by seeing our military in action in a way that won't spark outrage from their citizens.

All the bad PR from us putting an invasion fleet over Gemini would be made up for if we were the primary instrument for removing that infestation from Path. We'd smell like roses.
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>>1315087
Id prefer it if we didnt have to glass the planet. Nuke continents, sure, but we can still get brownie points if we just let the problem reach the point where it looks like glassing is the best option if the Union does not factor in Hive aid. Then when we do help, so much more can be salvaged. I want the videos of horrors unfolding on Path to reach every world, but just when they start shitting themselves we demonstrate our power an skill in removing the threat. At the very least the citizens of Path, one of the most important planets in the Union, will love us. This all just the best case scenario.
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>>1315145
Right.

The nat 1 case is planetary escape and complete sector saturation.
Still worth it.
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>>1315087
>>1315145
This is all under the assumption that the Genie is infectious like the Thing

I'm more worried about that nat 1 for seeing if we got all the OQ ship pieces falling onto Path. I have a feeling the Creep will be a bigger threat in the end than the Genie
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>>1315087
>>1315145
Disassembler warheads are a thing.
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>>1315180
I was thinking and the nat 1 was probably the humies finding OB parts to dissect
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>>1315180
No, it doesn't have to be infectious. It clearly has the ability to self-replicate rapidly, and a simple combat form that has been frozen for ages was enough to easily murderize a dozen well armed and armored pdf soldiers. That's really all you need to get a planet-ending scenario, it's like a more malleable version of a xenomorph.
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>>1315226
>yfw there is a BQ's relay drone trapped on that not!yutanicorp we are about to invade?
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>>1315424
There isn't.
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>let the problem get out of hand until it's so catastrophic that the Union has to turn to us for help just so we can be proven right

Sometimes I'm not sure about you guys.
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>>1315488
If we're wrong then the Union will be fine.
If we're wrong.
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>>1314974
Man that is getting old, you know hives dont need just color names right?

There was the Gardener and Nomad

>>1315087
>>1315145
Nah it aint going to win us brownie points with the masses, once they spin our speech they will just bullshit about how we dragged them into our war or how we planned this from the start

There not going to like us a all, look how they view the Valen and the humans who work for the valen,

We be tolerated by not liked in the end

>>1315488
The union is a player in the game and not a decoration, so they should be treated as a rival

They can and will make moves not for our benefit but theirs first and foremost

They just told us polity to fuck off even though we got a hive fleet in orbit? They got spine and we need to break it
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>>1315531

Well here's the thing though, if it doesn't win us brownie points then we just let a primary industrial world of the Union, who is a tacitly neutral party bordering-on-hostile and an enemy to an ally of ours, get consumed by a fucking bioweapon. In the event they choose to have open conflict over our annexation of the Expanse that's a particularly telling blow, and all we have to do is stand by and let it fucking happen.

There's no lose situation here except them getting it under control AND choosing to be fighty with us.
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>tfw unfrozen by union

https://youtu.be/HkpS2Sdu2io
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>>1314974
Four Queens of the Apocalypse
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>>1316169
We could totally make a sentai. It'd be like Kamen Rider though, all bug-suits and compound eyes.
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>>1316119
The lose situation is a major industrial world is now unable to provide us with meat shields to throw at OQ later.
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>>1315531
Before she was the Barren Queen she was the daughter of the Grey Queen, it's a pretty common theme for hives really.

>>1316303
The Red Horseman rides, fear the call of her trumpet.
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>>1316358
That lose situation doesn't apply if the Union decides to go to war against us before we reach the point of needing meatshields against the OQ.
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>>1317072
>The Red Horseman rides, fear the call of her trumpet.
>For her trumpet announces w
ar and her cloak is drenched in the blood of the fallen.
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>>1315531
This isn't a zero sum game, so treating anyone as a static rival is pointless. What exactly do you expect this rivalry to result in if we come in second, humans kill the crystal gods first? That's still a win for us, though not like it'll happen.
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So, what are we going to do if they reject our claim of the expanse wholesale? Or if they try to bargain for a partial claim?

Retract claim; try for partial claim; go to war. Those are the options that I see as possibilities.
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>>1317898
Retract our defense of human worlds
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>>1317898
Clearly those 'worlds' declare Independence and join us. No parasites here
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>>1317898
> What are we going to do if they reject our claim of the expanse wholesale?

Take the fleet out, and send one immolator war head then take the planet's from the expanse that they haven't settled in yet. Make our hidden hive in Gemini and Bedrock assimilate/parasite/adopt some humans and slowly infultrate and adopt more children in human worlds

>Or if they try to bargain for a partial claim?
We get the ones they didn't colonize yet, plus the ones were the process isn't complete, this way it won't hurt as much, in a economy point of view, leave the more population dense and industralized worlds to the humans. Take the main planets with a focused on mine metal and some of the lush worlds.
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>>1317924
A little addittion to my anwser refering to. "What are we going to do if they reject our claim of the
expanse wholesale?"

Scout the main ship manufacturing and bombard it. Of course we avoid the factories oparated by the Valen. Just so the humans think the Whales are behind us and so we won't interfire with their profits.
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>>1317924
The answer is do as little as possible. A handful of nukes to major industrial points(not even urban centers where people live, just where their shit is made so we can drive home how helpless they are) ad if OQ attacks, only interfere if it looks like the planet wont get glassed. Show them that we are nor bluffing about our power and the power of our foe, but with minimal cost to us.
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>>1318196
Why do that though when we can just wipe their fleet here, then start landing troops in the expanse. if we have to land troops on gemini to drive home the point that fucking with the bugs is a bad idea then so be it
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>>1317898
>So, what are we going to do if they reject our claim of the expanse wholesale?
Settle it anyway. What are they going to do about it? We can start with A-295, Desmond, Dagmar, New Port, Koening, and then Juric. Tannhauser is going to be something we should talk to the Valen about, but this can be a safe place to expand.

For a
>QUICK RUNDOWN
:

Kaltara in Dagmar has less than 200 people living in it, and it's a mineral-rich toxic world. Start mining it. We can try mining the ice giant's rings (Gibson) in the system too.

In Koenig, there's mining and refining facilities we can build in addition to the Human ones. Acheron has less than 1000 people on it and is being terraformed. We can speed this up and turn it into a farm world or a mining world. Deckard’ claim is a small world with 182k people and a small biosphere. Mine it or farm on it, simple. Djin is the water ice world, something we should explore, but otherwise, I'm sure we can farm here too.

In New Port, there's a rich asteroid belt we can mine. Darwin is a lush world filled with vines that looks to be pretty good for farming.

The only source of resources in Juric would be Norfolk, and we'd need to take over terraforming.

Telarum is a canderon-mining system. I don't think there are any resources here except that. While it would be nice to get at this source of exotic matter, it's primarily corporation-owned and they have a fleet.

Sentinel doesn't seem to have any planets and serves as a military outpost.

Tannhauser (Kerik Ashka in Skyl) has the desert planet Aral and the Union-administrated Valen colony. There's also the remains of the Skyl homeworld that we might be able to mine.

Wayward Hope (The Garden in Hive charts) has Raligha and the asteroid belt. We're already exploiting this place.

M-199 (Wellbuilt) has a bunch of destroyed planets that belonged to Builder. I think we gave this to Heretic?

M-323 has the Skyl ringworld ruins. We might be able to harvest resources from here.

A-295 is unsettled and has an ice planet, binary volcanic planets with high metal concentration, and a barren, irradiated planetoid. Good mining candidate.

Desmond is unsettled, but there's the planetoid with the liquid carbon ooze and a small asteroid belt.

The way I see it is that we can roll back the request of Sentinel and Telarum because there's not much we can exploit here, and we'd need to fight the corporations to get at the canderon in Telarum.
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>>1318225
>we'd need to fight the corporations to get at the canderon in Telarum.

Also, I might add that we don't have the technology to get at canderon at this point, so we'd either need to salvage their technology and re-research it or find some way where we can work with them for a cut. The Union doesn't need to get involved. At any rate, I don't see a hostile takeover working well, because even if we win they can scuttle their stations and toss them into the suns.
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>>1318225
>Wayward Hope (The Garden in Hive charts) has Raligha and the asteroid belt.
And a barren planet to terraform.
>I think we gave this to Heretic?
The Skyl are only concerned about immediate cooperation if we require it for fighting the Black Queen he'll turn it over in a heart beat.
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>>1318394
Especially since Heretic and Theseus are keeping the Skyl nomadic for the time being
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>>1318394
You're right, but I don't want to be asking for Heretic's system while we still have places to expand to that are more resource-rich.

Also, as an aside I went back to look at the number of ships we sent to Union space (to see how accurate the quip about our "small scouting fleet" was) and, based off current fleet numbers, we sent:

1/1 Citadel Hive Ship [which has 23/124 module slots filled with solar collectors (which reduce its upkeep by 6.2%!)]
6/25 Heavy Battle Fleets
10/50 Light Fleets

So, I suppose it's about 1/5 of the fleet power we have, because there's 10 fast assault fleets, 10 ambush fleets, and 6 carrier battle groups that didn't get counted at all but would offset the Hive ship.

As another note, we have 8400 empty docking pylons and 41 million units of Metals and Nutrients both, so I think it's a good idea to start making more ships. I think we're still net positive after nutrient upkeep, so there's no reason to keep a glut of resources like this, especially when we have production capacity to spare.
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>>1318225
>Darwin is a lush world filled with vines that looks to be pretty good for farming.


There was something else about Darwin. I think ir was were most of Union research about the expanse is made or something like that.

>>1318251
Maybe we can steal the canderon farming tech from that big corporation we are about to assault with our terrorist friend. I believe a tech company might try to resolve such problems as fuel and energy to power their computers/techs.
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>>1318524
Darwin is where the Union is harvesting Skyl artifacts like those used in the project that Lyle rescued Lee from
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>>1318489
I agree un building more ships. MAybe we should start and build a colonization fleet? Since we will start taking planets fromt he expanse.

Colonization Fleet

=Status=
Ship: (3) Scout Corvette 465N 1140M (Total 1395N 3420M)
Ship: (5) Lancer Corvette 465N 1240M (Total 2325N 6200M)
Ship: (2) Patrol Corvette 1015N 1640M (Total 2030N 3280M)
Ship: (4) Vanguard Frigate 1872N 3105M (Total 7488N 12420M)
Total: 13238N 25320M

Crew: (1.5k) Worker 5N (Total 4500N)
Crew: (250) Worker [Oxygen Recycler] 13N (Total 3250N)
Crew: (300) Warrior 10N 10M (Total 3000N 3000M)
Crew: (30) Excavator 38N (Total 1140N)
Crew: (40) Thinker 6N (Total 240N)
Crew: (20) Regeneration Tank [Hover Legs] 60N 15M (Total 1200N 3000M)
Crew: (3) Large Regeneration Tank [Hover Legs] 120N 30M (Total 360N 90M)
Crew: (1) Medium Egglayer 100N (Total 100N)
Crew: (50) Small Sniffer 3N (Total 150N)
Total: 14440N 6090M

Armory: (300) Thorn Launcher [Warrior] (4500M)
Total: 4500M

Total: 27178N 31410M
Upkeep: 13589N
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>>1318543
Oh good.Thanks for reminding me anon. Think we should it first or do we let then try and escape with some artifacts?

>implying they aren't shipping everything they can out of it right now.
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>>1318524
Canderon's not really a fuel, and I doubt a robotics and AI research facility would have information about mining exotic matter from stars, but it would nice if they did!

As far as using canderon... the human warp drive is pretty unimpressive (although the complete cutoff from psionic communication is an interesting side effect, I wonder what would happen if a Queen were to get into a human warp: would we still feel the Void watching?) compared to the Rip and Blink drives, so we wouldn't be using it for this.

The Power Tap is a nice technology, although we haven't evaluated it. It might be too expensive to put on every ship, but I can see capitals getting some use out of them.

The best use of canderon I can see is the projection of singularities as a weapon, or doing what the Commonwealth did with making black-hole-missiles. Those are real nice anticapital weapons.

>>1318552
Sure, we'll definitely need some, but why not ten? We're going to need more economic ability for rapid expansion in all these worlds we're about to take, and there's only 14 ships in that fleet. Ten colonization fleets would be 140 ships, and would cost 271,780 N 314,100 M... which is about 0.7% of our available resources. Ten colonization fleets is equivalent to a rounding error for us at this point.
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>>1318552
Looks good but I'm pretty sure QD just has Warriors equip a spread of our available weaponry with thorn rifles and blasters making up the bulk I think
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>>1318576
Ten colonization fleets sound as a good number. I was proposing the idea and didn't expect it to be aproved in general. We might need to build more ships for space defense depending how our war against the scavs goes.
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>>1318592
I got this template from the wiki. I believe we can adjust the little details if we want.
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>>1318596
We definitely need more ships. It doesn't really matter what they are, as long as we have more. I'll vote yes on any combat ships!

I mean like come on:

>Take planets from humans because WE NEED RESOURCES REEEEEE
>Have millions of resources stockpiled
>SPACE WAR NOW isn't just a meme, we're actively fighting a space war
>More space wars going to happen soon
>Thousands of pylons that can build ships
>Not actually being used to build ships
>????
>Hive thinkers best thinkers
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>>1318608
This and DAtS have the same problem of not constantly using the massive stockpiles of resources we have on hand

>Thinkers and Think Tanks equally best
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>>1317898
Just destroy their shipyard and take over their colonies, nothing major they can do about it
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>>1318608
To be honest. With all the happening from last time and QD's almost death. We pretty much had focused on the Parliment and politics with the Union. I think anon's are kinda waiting to see what will happen once we aid the Commonwealth.

What do you think about building more Heavy Corvette, Cruisers and frigates?

Heavy Fleet Corvette
Hull: Corvette 400N 800M
Capacity: 200/20
Size: 100 Meters
Module Limit: 2
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 100M
Turret (x2): Ion Cannon 50M
Fixed (x2): Cyclotron Particle Beam 40M
Auxiliary (x8): Autocannons (Expl) 80M
Armor: Heavy 250N 1000M
Armor: Ballistic 500N 250M
Utility: Defensive Shield 50N 150M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Power: Fusion Core 130N 650M
Module: Swarm Launcher 400N 200M
Module: Cruise Launcher 600N 400M

Total Cost: 2345N 3740M
Upkeep: 1172N

Heavy Fleet Frigate
Hull: Frigate 800N 1600M
Capacity: 150/15
Size: 150 Meters
Module Limit: 3
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 150M
Turret (x6): Cyclotron Particle Beam 150M
Fixed (x8): Railgun 160M
Auxiliary (x4): Cyclotron Particle Beam 40M
Armor: Heavy 325N 1500M
Armor: Ballistic 750N 375M
Utility: Defensive Shield 75N 225M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Power: Fusion Core 190N 950M
Module: Swarm Launcher 400N 200M
Module: Stinger Launcher 600N 400M
Module: Docking Bay 100N 50M

Total Cost: 2855N 5820M
Upkeep: 1427N

Heavy Fleet Cruiser
Hull: Cruiser 1200N 2000M
Capacity: 300/30
Size: 200 Meters
Module Limit: 4
Spinal Mounts (x2): Railgun 400M
Turret (x6): Autocannon 150M
Fixed (x10): Linear Particle Beam 200M
Armor: Heavy 500N 2000M
Armor: Ballistic 1000N 500M
Utility: Defensive Shield 100N 300M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 30N 40M
Power: Fusion Core 180N 900M
Module: Bulkhead 500M
Module: Stinger Launcher 400N 200M
Module: Swarm Hangar (Plasma) 600N 300M
Module: Swarm Hangar (Autocannon) 600N 300M

Total Cost: 5010N 6890M
Upkeep: 2505N
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>>1318651
I'm not so sure about that. Pound for pound the Union ships beat ours for the most part, and their major planets will have anti-orbital systems.

Of course with our instant FTL and vastly superior numbers we can ensure we beat the humans in any fleet engagement. Those engagements just might be more costly than we anticipate given how prevalent the Union use of nukes on their warships are.

The biggest risk, however, is that they may still have dark shards in secret pans we cannot get to. A sufficiently desperate Union/Union scientist might attempt to use the shards against us or to make a pact with the dark entity within. Do not underestimate the Human propensity to spite their enemies when faced with overwhelming odds. They may even know they doom themselves, but persist in pursuit of the Void God in an attempt to hurt us (the evil invading aliens wiping them out).

The odds of this may be low, even very low, but they are significant enough that claiming the Union has no possible way to harm us is not quite accurate. If it comes to war I would prefer a more limited one, although our hand could be forced if they are as stupid as we have come to expect.
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>>1318697
Just select the number of preset heavy fleets you want to make instead of picking out individual ships. Doing it this way is just way too crunch intensive.

>>1318623
To be fair in both quests calculating specific numbers of things to be built and the resource pools needed for them has turned into such a complicated affair of byzantine proportions neither QD nor Graves is prepared to handle it in every thread.
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>>1318723
> pound for pound
That's why we have more ships and better maneuverability.

Apart from any defenses already in the expanse they won't be able to get any fleets to where we are going in time and we can stealth infiltrate any anti orbital they might have. Although they aren't likely to have much in the colonies. It isn't like we would be invading any major planets.
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>>1318761
I think the other anon was talking about the proposition of attacking Union's ship manufacturing worlds.
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>>1317935
>>1318196
Problem with this strategy is that the Union doesn't use industry that much for their fleets, they have a stock of customisable ships they take from if they need to increase ship numbers.
Of course, this stock is limited so we can just use raids and hit-n-run to bleed them then go in for the kill.
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>>1318761
>>1318761
Ah, I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about a major offensive to take out the Union's primary shipyards. If we're only taking out the the Expanse fleets that is much easier, is less likely to make the Union suicidally desperate, and we can dare them to try and muster a fleet that attempt to take them back (they won't).

>That's why we have more ships and better maneuverability

I agree we will win, likely with ease. My concern is that the multi-purpose nature of the Union ships and the large number of nukes they carry could make our victories somewhat pyrrhic. If we swarm with too many ships we'll end up getting more nuked than I'd like considering we are also fighting wars on 2 other fronts.

Perhaps we should build more corvettes? They have the fastest build time and have point defenses that will work especially well against missiles.
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>>1318251
>The Union doesn't need to get involved.
They need canderon for FTL. If we threaten their supply, they'll get nasty real quick, never mind who technically owns it. I figure if we want some for whatever, we buy it, not take it.
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>>1318788
>Union's primary shipyards
They do have a major shipyard in the expanse IIRC.
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>>1318761

They do, but pound for pound doesn't do much when we can outmaneuver them strategically and tactically. Can't do much against relativistic bombardment against shipyards with a race whose ships can just pop in.

I don't even support war on the Union, but I can see how they'd be hosed pretty quickly even without biowarfare.

>>1318788
Nukes still have to close to practically contact range to damage starships, and we have shields as well as pretty damn good point defense. We might lose corvettes, but nukes aren't nearly as scary as gravitic warheads.
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So i have an idea to throw the fucks on mentan off and also anyone else that comes calling, we could have lee Write a book about our culture and drone castes only the ones that we want to be shown of coarse things like the ghost beetles not being included, If we have it written that the Workers are a Juvenile version of the Warriors, while the Speakers are a Noble caste the equivalent of a noble or general, even explaining the dimorphism between the fluffy speakers and regular speakers as a difference in gender, it would all be bullshit of coarse but should help throw any scientists off. as well as implying that seiner had Children kidnapped and dissected to anyone in the know
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>>1318723
What are you talking about? every example so far has shown our ships to be superior our hull strength is lower but our shields and guns are much stronger than theirs
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>>1318860
We can wreck the Union. The only reason I am concerned is that their ships can pinch above their weight class (see Union corvette vs dreadnought) and we have not fought with them directly before. There is no question our ships have superiority in a lot of ways and that we would easily win any war.
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>>1318880

Dude, any corvette can do that. QD has said as much, it's a matter of relative velocity in closing giving your kinetic weapons extra oomph, not any inherent superiority in ship construction. Our corvettes with spinal mounts are just as capable of pulling a similar stunt.
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Since we're talking about war with the union and someone asked if we could build more ships what does everyone think of the wall of battle fleet design?
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>>1318854
We could do this, and it'd be pretty funny. Our drones would have to keep up an act a lot of the time. I'm sure we have enough human minds in our hive now we could actually write pretty good literature.

My big concern is that already know about the Queen. I seem to recall that in Lee's early tv appearances (way back at the start of the quest) he referenced how the "big momma bug" was the only smart one. And he would have also told them about how he saw the Queen lay the first thinker and some workers.

If we don't mention the Queen, it looks like we're hiding her. If we do mention the Queen as an actual Queen/ruler (and we are far too arrogant to not give ourself a place at the top of the heirarchy) it makes her a target (although they'd never be able to get through the defenses at Leeland).

It would need to be a careful balance if we carry it out. It would certainly be fun, though. And Lee could go on talk shows to promote "his" book.
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>>1318915
Could claim that Female Speakers are Juvenile queens, Also he never claimed that the queen was the only one with intelligence just that the hive itself was linked in some way,

And by acting it would be entertaining to have our drones chitter at each other, make an actual language out of it. christ we have enough thinkers for it
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>>1318933
Or we could even claim that there is more than one queen in a hive this is not technically a lie with the existence of the barren queen
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>>1318933
Don't they already know we have an unknown method of communication?
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>>1318940
That is true what they are unaware of is that the Queen is the only one with true intelligence
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>>1318940
I think that is one theory but they are not sure if we are just well organized.
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>>1318697
We need more cheap ships and fighters we can mass produce on a grand scale to just fill the space between us and hostile fleets with weapons fire. Also to be able to completely darken the skies over planets for both intimidation factor and complete and total blockade efficiency.
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>>1318969
Would the wall of battle fulfill that role?
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>>1318977
It would help, but still need MORE.
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>>1318982
More Small Heavy Defense Fleets then? They're made entirely of sub-capitals.
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>>1318995
Yes, crammed with as many ships which hold swarm hangers as well.
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>>1319003
Ah, then why not make another Small Fleet design that is designed for attacks and support of bigger fleets?
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By the way does anyone know the count of our ships by Hull? i was thinking of trying to reach the number of ships the WQ had


1 Hive ship
35 Battleships
150 Battlecruisers
500 Cruisers
1000 Frigates
3000 corvettes
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Once we take a planet in the expanse, we should put all the human residents and survivors of any orbiting space battles, put them in a ship with a light escort and ship them to the nearest non expanse Union world while blaring that its carying survivors as well as their names. If they blow it up then thier will be enough people who say that it did contain survivors, no matter what the government says. If they let them land then i will show that we can afford to give them back their survivors and that all we care abut is the expanse. If they actually blow the ships up, I can just imagine recordings of our speaker listing their names to try to convince them to let us land will be a rallying cry for sympathizers.
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>>1319040
We need triple that at the least, she accomplished that with a single world.
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>>1319049
Why move them at all? we already said we weren't going to
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>>1319052
Actually she accomplished that number of ships by taking a bunch of picket fleets and grouping them together.
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>>1319052

Yeah, but she had cheaper ships with less upkeep costs. Ours are more technologically advanced.

That said, we need to share technical data with Theseus, particularly nanotech so that he can get on our level when it comes to shitting out server ships. He's been been losing a few lately and has proven himself to be a valuable ally who is less likely to be fucked over by psionic shenanigans.
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>>1319052
>>1319060
>>1319064
We really need to up our production.
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>>1318854
>>1318915
>>1318933
With Lee's book we could fake out people for a while but if the individualism isn't observed the smartasses from mentan will figure out it's bunk or at least worthless propaganda.

With Lee's book, we could also dedicate a good deal of thinking power towards making the noble-like caste having degrees of behaviors and personalization (which we should do anyways because once xeno political analysts watch several videos of speakers they'll notice they behave uniformly) While diplomats in general don't really all act the same, the least we could do is have them behave uniformly to a certain code and then being part of a Hive means less about tachyonic psi-bull or superorganism flags than it does about working for the Hive's collective good. Subterfuge through small, simple differences.

Using humans/the better aliens as a basis, while using a reduced version of culture shock with these younger species as the reason, I believe we possess enough of a drawing pool for unique behaviors. IE; things our speakers might wear like we wear our lighter, specific mannerisms, different levels of patience and even using different sentence structures, or even non-Hive oriented hobby's. What if the speaker with the Commonwealth starts appropriating Sihk paraphernalia? As a lesser example. Or how speakers might interact with each other when they're isolated but when someone might be spying, etc. Things that would only really build up into noticeability to the people probing for this stuff.

The whole idea would be to create a wealth of differences kept consistent between each individual of the castes most likely to be interacting with non-hive lifeforms and essentially play pretend at either being influenced, being fairly unique individuals, or a mix of both. Since according to their experience so far no two interacting alien cultures have remained the same, and it would be logical to observe changes in castes that (we) would state to have higher intelligence and degrees of individualism.

Although it feels like hardcore dedicated thinker work to fake that much bull.

>>1318933
We totally should make a language, at least one.
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>>1319064
Nanotechnology+favor will get us his FTL i hope.
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>>1319069
>We totally should make a language, at least one.
We already have one, the exodus hives developed it along with the skyl.
Hell we could use it to prove we were allies with the skyl and as such can claim their worlds.
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>>1318788
>>1318761
>better maneuverability
Union has us beat there.
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>>1319074
Hell, completely forgot about it.
Even if they don't press the issue we should have this as part of some educational mimic wall at our embassy.
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>>1319066
See
>>1318969
>>1318977
>>1318995
>>1319016
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>>1319066

Agreed, but we can also up Theseus' production. Dunno if it's a good idea to share tech with the Commonwealth, the military we've encountered have been pretty good bros but I don't remember how much political pull they have.

The Union, however, clearly can't be trusted with jack or shit.
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>>1319090
You quoted one of my posts calling for cheaper, easily mass produced ships.
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>>1319101
Yea sorry didn't notice your ID.
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>>1318995
I dunno, as the designer of the Heavy Fleets I didn't really see them as spam-oriented. I imagined we'd use them as the inevitable hammer-drop to accompany harrying attacks by cheaper disposable units. Use cheapy ships to slow down an enemy, and they can either choose to run and get bled dry or they can choose to fight and be slowed down enough that the Heavy Fleet units catch up and hit them like a ton of bricks.

The ideal ratio I had in mind was approximately
4-6 Small Heavy Defense Fleets
+
1 Heavy Battlefleet

for a good core fighting force for any sort of assault fleet. Add in a few light fleets as filler and that ought to be good enough to wipe any non-crucial system with ease.

What I really think we need to CRANK THE FUCK UP ON though, is Obsidian Queen Raiding Fleets. Her operations salvaging the White Queen's old base, for instance, are a PERFECT and JUICY target to send 1 or two of those after. They'll blink into the system, disappear among the rubble, hide until her response fleet(s) go away or begin to split up to comb the system, and then they'll bleed her dry from there.
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>>1319098
Yeah, I'm pretty indifferent towards the Union. If they won't assist then at the least they can stay out of our way. If not then we might have to put them in their place, we can't deal with a two front war with them once the Obsidian Queen begins a full scale war.
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>>1319119
That's fine I'm trying to build a Small attack/support fleet design that uses cheap sub capitals right now.
Also wow, i completely forgot about light fleets.
What weapons has the Union been mostly using?
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>>1319119
>What I really think we need to CRANK THE FUCK UP ON though, is Obsidian Queen Raiding Fleets. Her operations salvaging the White Queen's old base, for instance, are a PERFECT and JUICY target to send 1 or two of those after. They'll blink into the system, disappear among the rubble, hide until her response fleet(s) go away or begin to split up to comb the system, and then they'll bleed her dry from there.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR SO LONG
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>>1319132
Yeah, we need to start raiding. At the very least we should have aggressive recon harassment going on all the time. Never get surprised again, don't let her make a move unseen.
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>>1319123
So, anyone think at least sharing blaster weaponry research with the Commonwealth is a good or bad idea? I mean, with the wreckage they have it's only a matter of time before they grab examples or reverse engineer it themselves, so it's not as though we'd be giving them some forbidden knowledge they'd never run into on their own.
>>1319129
Railguns and nuclear missiles, primarily. Don't remember if they use autocannons or lasers for point defense.
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>>1319138
Depends on whether we can get tech from them in exchange. Maybe help with shields research?
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>>1319144
>>1319138
On second thought, giving weapons tech to the Commonwealth is seriously going to strain things with the Union. Dunno if that's worth it yet. The Commonwealth being a slightly more deadly ally against the scavs might not be worth our standoff with the Union going south. It's a tough issue.
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>>1319144
>>1319156

My point is that with all the Scav wreckage, they're gonna get blaster tech anyhow. Helping them reverse-engineer it would make them more effective against the Scavs.

If the Union gets their panties in a twist, well they haven't proven they can be trusted with advanced technology. By the time they find out, our standoff will either be over, or we'll be in a full-on cold war.
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>>1319175
>they're gonna get blaster tech anyhow
Actually it'll take at least a few months before they reverse engineer it and develop to a point they could get a working prototype.
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>>1319175
If they're going to get it anyway, why risk relations with the Union? The speed at which they realize we've given weapons tech to their enemies depends on the quality of any Union spies in the Commonwealth. What would we ask for it anyway?
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Do we already have a mutual defense agreement with the Commonwealth? If not, this is what we should be working towards.
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>>1319205
Not really interested.
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>>1319202
Yeah, it'll take a while for them to get it into production, all the more reason to give them the information to get blasters ASAP.
>>1319195
If the Union finds out about it, yeah. With the Commonwealth able to claim they reverse engineered the weapon from Scav wreckage it'll depend on how deeply their intelligence arm has penetrated the Commonwealth. And we'd be risking it for a boost to our large shield tech research, presumably. Or Canderon extraction technology if we get a breakthrough before then.
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>>1319210
You should be. The more numbers and space covered by us and our allies the less strained we'll be facing a massive threat alone.
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Alright so this is my idea for a all purpose Small Attack/Support Fleet.

Attack corvette
Hull: Corvette 400N 800M
Capacity: 200/20
Size: 100 Meters
Module Limit: 2
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 100M
Turret (x2): Cyclotron Particle Beam 50M
Fixed (x2): Auto cannons 40M
Auxiliary (x8): Blasters 80M
Armor: Combat 150N 600M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 50N 150M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Module: Swarm Launcher 400N 200M

Total cost: 1015N 2040M
Upkeep: 507
Here is the Attack corvette, a strike craft that will use it's railgun at far ranges until it can get close enough to use it's blasters and Auto cannons to destroy the enemy, with CPBs to help reduce the targets accuracy and increase survivability.
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>>1319212
Good idea, we can just "accidentally" lose some wreckage in proximity of each others' ships.
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>>1319255

I like it, but I'd switch the blasters and autocannons around. Autocannons are better for point defense than blasters, I thought?
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>>1319230
Commonwealth is not very valuable as an ally to me because they don't have much to offer due to being a human empire.
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>>1319349
>due to being a human empire.
You want to expand on that? The Union is one as well.
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>>1319255
Forgot to add, it's swarm missiles will help destroy the target too when it's shields are down. It's also supposed to have Containment fields, upping it's price to 1035N 2080M

Attack frigate
Hull: Frigate 800N 1600M
Capacity: 150/15
Size: 150 Meters
Module Limit: 3
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 150M
Turret (x6): Cyclotron Particle Beam 150M
Fixed (x8): Blasters 160M
Auxiliary (x4): Blasters 40M
Armor: Combat 225N 900M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 75N 225M
Utility: Utility: Rapid Damage Control 225N 300M
Module: Stinger Launcher 500N 300M
Module: Docking bay 100N 50M
Module: Docking bay 100N 50M

Total cost: 2025N 3925M
Upkeep: 1012N
Here is the attack frigate, it will use it's rail gun at far range until it gets close enough for it's blasters and Sting missiles, it has CPBs to decrease enemy accuracy and has Docking bays with auto cannon equipped fighters to make up for it's lack of kinetic weaponry.

>>1319321
The blasters special stacks, a lot of blasters help with taking down shields and weakening armor.
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>>1319367
Humans by their very nature are chaotic and fractious in this setting so they are more or less the most difficult to deal, this also makes sharing tech with them risky due to these very reasons.
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>>1319397
I forgot containment fields again.
2045N 3965M
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>>1319397
And the final ship design, i decided to take >>1319003
Idea and make this a carrier.

Attack support cruiser
Hull: Cruiser 1200N 2000M
Capacity: 300/30
Size: 200 Meters
Module Limit: 4
Spinal Mounts (x2): Linear Particle Beam 400M
Turret (x6): Autocannon 150M
Fixed (x10): Linear Particle Beam 200M
Armor: Combat 300N 1200M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 100N 300M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 30N 40M
Utility: Containment fields 40N 80M
Module: G-field sensors 150N 200M
Module: Cruise launcher 600N 400M
Module: Swarm Hangar 600N 300M
Module: Swarm Hangar 600N 300M

Total cost: 3620N 5570M
Upkeep: 1810N
Here is the Attack support cruiser, it will use it's Cruise missiles and LPBs at long range until it gets close enough to unleash it's swarm fighters, it doesn't have any point defense so it has to rely on it's fighters or ally ships and won't join battles itself.

So what does everyone think of a Attack/Support fleet made up of these 3 designs?
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>>1319397
>>1319403
I also realized Rapid damage control doesn't cost that much so the price should be
1815N 3665M
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>>1319499
>Completely forgot the normal cost of Rapid damage control
Help
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>>1319069
smart and this is going to be fun!
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>>1318933
>>1319069

Why not just use the Skyl trade-language?
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>>1313887
>Implying anons would not insta vote to wipe them out if they tried
>Implying Theseus would even attempt to stop us at that point
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>>1319493
>So what does everyone think of a Attack/Support fleet made up of these 3 designs?
Sounds pretty middle-of-the-line to me. Are we OK for point defense, though?

The Frigate has two docking bays and can therefore fit 2 shuttles and 6 fighters, which need to be paid for separately. The shuttles also have a capacity of 50/5, but this entire fleet is uncrewed, so they feel incomplete. They don't need to have a lot of drones, maybe keep them at 10% capacity, but there should be at least some use for the shuttles, especially seeing how little the drones would cost. Not sure why you'd want docking bays over a swarm hangar if the intent is to have fighters. I know that Swarm Hangars are six times as expensive as Docking Bays, but you get almost seventeen times the fighters (50, not 3). If this frigate is meant to operate with the support cruiser, you could just leave a module in the frigate empty, give it a Swarm Hangar, and any destroyed frigates would send their fighters to replenish any lost fighters in the support cruisers. Then there's no shuttles and you won't be able to move any crew, so you can keep any crew numbers minimal.
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>>1319753
Yeah >>1319074 mentioned it. It's a good idea.
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>>1319493
>>1319397
>>1319255

They're good generalist designs, like the Heavy Fleet designs but lighter. You should carry on into the capital ship classes (at least up to Battlecruiser anyway) and also create a full fleet template for them. You've done a good job of giving the ships distinct but complimentary niches, and it's especially good that you realized a subcapital swarm hangar-bearing ship needs to be oriented for long range (on account of relative fragility of the hull compared to the expense of swarm hangars).

Also they should all have Fusion Cores. The minor increase in critical hit chance is more than made up for with the integrated self-destruct, increased all around performance and since you've put in multi-layer shields they're almost necessary just by default

I also tried to get support to update the Heavy Fleet designs with Multi-Layer shields. Never went through though.

This all being said I think what we've all failed to realize, or at the very least have failed to exploit to its fullest potential...is our unique ability as the Red Hive (with the inherent industrial capacity of our race, and our Hive's particular acquaintance with a wide range of technologies) among all the actors on the stage presently to create TARGETED and SPECIALIZED fleets to be deployed against particular threats. Against Scavs, for instance, purpose-built ships with Multi-Layer Shields, Hardlight Defenses, Gravity Plating, and Conductive armor will hit above their weight class EVERY TIME because the Scavs almost exclusively use Blasters and Boarding for attack.

Against the Obsidian Queen designs oriented around point-defense, anti-kinetic armors, and boarding parties of Heavy Warriors (which she has no practical counter for) will be most effective. So, corvette spam.

Our particular method of FTL, industrial capacity, and wide technological base allow us and us alone to rapidly deploy specialized fleets for particular threats, and with all the hornet nests we're kicking we're going to have to play that card to its fullest sooner rather than later.

Heavy Warriors also need Radiator Tubes and Dual-wielded Flamers. That will vastly increase their effectiveness in boarding operations.
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>>1320650
>Heavy Warriors also need Radiator Tubes and Dual-wielded Flamers
Cryosprays would work wonders when paired with their sonic sledges in dealing with bulkheads and barriers on a ship
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>>1320686
I thought of fire-sprays because they'd deplete the oxygen in a ship environment with extreme rapidity. If the Heavy Warrior had an Oxygen Recycler AND Radiator Tubes then neither the lack of oxygen nor the heat would bother it. Perfect.

Cryo sprays would also be great though. Same thing with any of the sprays really. It kind of frustrates me seeing the Heavies have to get into melee range in order to mince enemies, if they even just had the sprayers they'd gain a magnitude more effectiveness.

At this point they might even benefit from a Seeker Pod too. Give them some long range, homing OOMPH.
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>>1320716
Could always send in a mix of the plasma and cryo equipped heavies.

I'm down for voting to add sprayers and/or seeker pods to the Heavy Drone design

Someone mentioned last thread an adaptation based on the Genie's original tail that looked like an earwig by being stouter and using a mandible rather than a blade. Think this might be useful or just redundant?
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>>1320909
Eh, redundant. Present tails are more capable than mandible equipped tails anyway, and the anon's idea that it would cut down on the loss in resiliency doesn't really apply because you just have to condense vital organs down a bit in order to accommodate the complex musculature of a prehensile tail in the same size category of drone.

Which is, of course, rendered mostly null in the case of the Heavy Warrior on account of its full body vehicle-tier armor.

Also the less stout and more maneuverable version provides our heavy warriors with an excellent means of staying oriented and mobile in zero-g environments, as they don't have wings.
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>>1320136
If you think it's affordable I'll replace the docking bays with swarm hangars.
>>1320650
I'll add fusion cores too.
Your talk about specialized fleets reminded me we might have gained a tech that let's us surgically replace adaptations on our drones, i believe this includes ships too so we could adopt the unions strategy of having customization reserve ships. We could make a bare bones sub capital fleet that will be altered to optimum to fight any enemy.
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>>1320650
Also the reason i didn't go beyond sub capitals is because this fleet is designed to do
>>1318969
>>1319016
So i tried to keep it between cheap cannon fodder and effective all rounders.
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>>1321039
I understand but, if you take a look at our actual fleets...we have a far slimmer field of pickings for capital ship designs that are worth a damn than sub-capitals. You're obviously competent at it so pleaasseeeeee make capital ship designs.
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>>1321024
I think 1x Swarm Hanger is better than 2x Docking Bay. It doesn't need two unless you're trying to match the Support Cruiser for fighter capacity (which you shouldn't).
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>>1321054
Fine, even though i though i was bad at ship design.
But only the battle cruiser, i want too keep the Small Attack/support fleet to it's intended design.
>>1321055
I was trying to fill it's modules with cheap stuff honestly.
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>>1321067
It just feels to me like the docking bays are more for combat-second type ships rather than this, which is combat-first.
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Here is the new Attack frigate

Attack frigate
Hull: Frigate 800N 1600M
Capacity: 150/15
Size: 150 Meters
Module Limit: 3
Spinal Mounts (x1): Railgun 150M
Turret (x6): Cyclotron Particle Beam 150M
Fixed (x8): Blasters 160M
Auxiliary (x4): Blasters 40M
Armor: Combat 225N 900M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 75N 225M
Utility: Utility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20M
Utility: Containment fields 20N 40M
Power: Fusion Core 190N 950M
Module: Stinger Launcher 500N 300M
Module: Swarm hangar (Auto cannons) 600N 300M

Total cost: 2425N 4835M
Upkeep 1117N

And the prices of the other ships with fusion cores
attack corvette
Total cost: 1165N 2730M
Attack support cruiser
Total cost: 3800N 6470M
A bit more expensive than i originally intended but if people think it's fine I'll use them, still cheaper than the heavy fleet ships luckily.
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>>1321088
Wait, I might be retarded.

We have a Gunship frame that's the size of a Shuttle, so it needs to use the Docking Bay rather than the Swarm Hangar.

Keep the Docking Bays, but add to the cost of the ship three Fighters (each 50N 50M base + anything for 2 fixed mounts, not sure how the calculation works here) and one Gunship (60N 250M + 1 Fixed and 2 Auxiliary if needed).
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>>1321146
>>1321145
Into the thrash it goes.
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>>1321146
>>1321150

No, the swarm hangar is fine! Paying for the Gunship and Fighters individually makes it cost more metal than the Swarm hangar and we don't get more firepower.
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>>1321154
Oh, that is bad.
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>>1321154
>>1321158
1x Swarm Hangar (50 fighters included): 600N 300M

2x Docking Bay with additional total 6 fighters and 2 gunships: 620N 900M

Unless you think 2 gunships are better than 44 fighters, the Swarm Hangar is cheaper and better.
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>>1321169

Depends, can the gunships mount boarding pods?
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>>1321179
>The Gunship can equip a single missile pod at .25 its normal cost, but can only fire a single salvo before requiring resupply.
>Crew capacity: 10/1

Not sure if a boarding pod counts as a missile pod.
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>>1321187
It doesn't.

Strangely not even boarding pods and drop pods are interchangeable. I think they should be, or at least with some research we should be able to integrate the two.
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>>1321227
One is for drilling through the hull of a starship, the other is for reentry, pretty different
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>>1321260
Yeah, allow me to rephrase: I don't know they couldn't be deployed from the same ship module. Or at least a new hybrid module.
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Here is a prototype design for a Attack/Support Battlecruiser, maybe I'll add it in if it looks good.


Hull: Battlecruiser 2000N 2500M
Capacity: 400/40
Size: 300 Meters
Module Limit: 6
Spinal Mounts (x4): Linear Particle Beam 900M
Turret (x8): Railgun 200M
Fixed (x16): Blasters 320M
Auxiliary (x10): Auto Cannon 100M (In the heavy Fleet battlecruiser it lists 200M which is wrong)
Armor: Combat 450N 1800M
Utility: Multi-layer shields 150N 450M
Utility: Rapid Damage Control 45N 60M
Utility: Containment fields 60N 120M
Power: Fusion Core 380N 1900M
Module: G-field sensors 150N 200M
Module: (2) Swarm launcher 800N 400M
Module: Stinger Launcher 500N 300M
Module: (2) Cruise Launcher 1200N 800M

Total cost: 5735N 10050M
Upkeep 2867N
I don't know what it will do but I'm thinking since the Battlecruiser is the fastest capital ship so it will attack with its Cruise launcher at far ranges until it gets close enough to use its LPBs, Railguns, Stinger missiles and Blasters to devastate targets, it also carries Swarm missiles and Auto cannons for close range and point defense.
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>>1321336
I'd trade the placement of railguns and blasters, but otherwise it looks pretty solid and affordable.
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>>1321336
Moving on here is the Small Attack/Support Fleet

Ship: (10) Attack support cruiser 3,800N 6,470M (Total 38,000N 64,700M
Ship: (15) Attack frigate 2,425N 4,835M (Total 36,375N 72,525M)
Ship: (20) Attack corvette 1,165N 2,730M (Total 23,300N 54,600M)

Total cost: 97,675N 191,825M
Upkeep 48837N
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>>1321423
I think I'll add more corvettes actually

Ship: (10) Attack support cruiser 3,800N 6,470M (Total 38,000N 64,700M
Ship: (15) Attack frigate 2,425N 4,835M (Total 36,375N 72,525M)
Ship: (30) Attack corvette 1,165N 2,730M (Total 34,950N 81,900M)

Total cost: 109,325N 219,125M
Upkeep: 54,662N

>>1321388
Blasters do better in numbers so i won't, sorry.
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>>1321453
Corvette's are mostly for logistics and invasions. If you anticipate this being a fighting fleet then frigates actually hit much better in space combat for their comparative cost.
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>>1321468

Corvettes are for screening and point defense.
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>>1321468
I was thinking the corvettes would make up the canon fodder of the fleet and assist the frigates and cruisers.
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>>1321475
>>1321472
Fair enough.
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>>1321478
Yeah corvettes are the Pawns on the board of space combat
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Alright so that's the Small attack/support fleet, made to join our regular fleets when attacking to act as
>>1318969
Intended.
I think making 2 for every Heavy Battlefleet and 1 for every Light fleet would be good for increasing our ship numbers.
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>>1321509
Also if someone could add every attack subcapital to the talk page that would be nice.
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Does anyone know what the ambush fleet is?
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God all this crunch, I missed this.

I just want Titans soon....
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>>1313789
Huh did not notice it, but is Lee sassing us?

Im proud that he stills have a spine
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>>1322734
Yes he is, our Speaker just mutilated that giftbasket of honey.

Do you think the Valen will serve fish, or try to feel us out by offering things with exoskeletons?
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>>1324053
That would be delightfully ballsy of them. Might make me start to like the Space Squids.
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>>1324123
The squids are the cephs though. These are more like space alligator snapping turtles of unusual size, I think?
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>>1324270
Valen have alligator heads, turtle shells, and live in swamps.
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>>1324053
Probably 10 of everything. They can afford it and can gauge our first reactions to them. Little do they know that we will simply eat all of it and not display any emotions while doing so. Though if they did serve us mostly arthropods, then I would applaud their cheek.
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>>1324444
Nice quad-quads but the Valen don't have a gators head.

I remember QD saying it's like a massive circular lamprey mouth covered by flesh petals for lips for swallowing prey whole and their eyes are on eyestalks

They also live in shallow oceans since they can't really dive too far I think
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>>1324574
then it would be fun if we tell them that we eat our defective drones/larva/babys/young then talk about how tasty things with exoskeletons are and about the crunching sound but it could be a bad idea if it is recorded thats most likley
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>>1324773
are the eye stalks outside the mouth or inside and they have organ like tubes on ther cone shell and they have gills on there underside and giant pirana like lice that can survive outside water for days sometimes live in the gills
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>>1324773
>shallow oceans
QD has literally said swamps is some in some of the earlier threads.
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>>1326169

Unless they're from notDagobah, you can have shallow seas AND swamps on the same planet.
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>>1326201
Still, there's the issue of which environment they prefer. Earth has lots of environments but we don't like swamps much.
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>>1326243
>but we don't like swamps much.
Says you.
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>>1326261
Yeah, OK Shrek, we know. You can have it.
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>>1326243
We met one when we got a company to sell our products. Cant remember whether the pool it in was brackish or clean.
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>>1326612
Murky.
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Anyone recall anything about the Heavy Thumper?
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Come to think of it QD hasn't statted out the photonic armor projector yet.
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>>1328888
Such a cutie. Possible drone to inject parasites?
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Although making more ships is a valid thing i'm worried about our dinner with the Valen. We still need to give then something for that basket.

What do whales/crocs like beside fish? Should we send then a Leviathan stake?
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>>1329114
We could flash-grow something that tastes like one of those weaver fish they're so fond of.
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>>1329225
We do have a citadel over the humans capital. The Valen aren't just bankers they work like a mafia if they do a favor for you, a favor as small as giving you some food, they try to collect on it, so i wanted to give then something that would make then feel indebted to the hive. Also should we give something for the Valen human ambassador? Or do we just ignore the puppet?
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>>1329395
Now you got me thinking of a speaker wearing a wig and magical girl outfit.
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>>1329285
I dunno, if we really wanted to fuck with them we could say the following

"The Hive greatly appreciates the gift of the honey-and-fruit gift basket. In return we would like to grant you the gift of a team of Union Black-Operatives and the leverage on Killinger concomitant with catching them alive. We have been so kind as to deliver your gift to Aral, and you will find them most willing to testify against the Union without any persuasion needed."

But that is probably too much, and interferes with a few current plans.

Why wouldn't an exchange of food to them be equal enough trade? Shit, we could give flash-grow a few thousand pounds of meat real quick and give it back to them if you want them to be indebted.
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>>1329410
I think that might give to much and the Valen are paranoid we should try not ping their paranoia.

I wasn't refering about being a equal trade. I was trying to give then something more to make the Valen feel indebted to us.

I say this because remember a read about Valen saying that humans don't have knowledge of being indebted to someone and are like space hobbos.

So i wanted to make the Valen see we understand the indebted thing and now they own us something which might be a exotic food or something else.
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Quest Drone @HiveQueenQuest 30m30 minutes ago

Should have the thread up in about an hour or so.

Uhull!!!
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>>1329637
Thread is up!
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>>1321561
It turned out to be a typo of missile ambush fleet?




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