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War, war never changes.

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>>1772342

You are the Courier. After many years of building and preparing, a great prize, the Divide, is finally yours. But not by your hand, and, not alone, as another force the Mutant Liberation Army stages operations underground having betrayed the Marked Men for their weakness. The NCR's grand counter offensive turns the tide of the war in their favor, despite being outnumbered and facing foes on almost all sides. And you go off to meet an old companion you have not seen in many years.
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>>1784694

>>1784222
After more wandering, meandering, and dice rolling you the bus finally makes its way to some kind of heavy underground gates and bigger highways with more traffic. Several actually, before exiting into a vast underground cavern.

A sprawling industrial complex is seen before you, as Old World industrial spires and factories rise up from floor to roof. Railway bridges criss cross the ceiling around giant pillars of stone, concrete, and metal. The surrounding landscape is strewn with green glowing nuclear waste, and curious crystals growing among them, glowing green.

People, mutants, vehicles, and slaves move in and out of the underground city, along with entire train cars moving above.

It would seem you have arrived.

"Oi, normie. Welcome to Complex 80"

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The Bus makes a stop at the gate and drops you off in front of the gate. A huge structure of concrete and steel, piled on generously with scrap and garbage tied and welded together to add bulk to it. You are greeted by several guards, one mutant and several humans plus a few ghouls. Big jury rigged weapons turrets hang above pointing down at you from the ceiling and the top of the wall, directly aimed at the tunnel entrance. You also spot a blind shaman on a chair, the old hag smoking a pipe and breathing out in circles of smoke.

The guards and soldiers appear to be from one of two groups. One appears like the fiends did in the Mojave, skulls and motor parts hung from their bodies and tatoos. The other almost looks like Tony Gam for some reason. Black leather jackets with a big 80s sign on the back, denim pants, thick beards, and sunglasses smoking cigars and with big pistols or SMG's on their side. You spot several motorcycles parked near on the otherside of the gate.

"Oi. Vincent Vincent told us you were coming.

Don't you cause no trouble or brother trouble is gonna come for you. Got it?"

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Is there anything you wish to do before you enter?
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>>1784764
Make them swear on their dark god to not harm our mind body or soul like the forecaster said, unless that was for when we meet a witch lady.
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>>1784776
QM, please answer this.
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Wait QM, do we have any boons remaining?
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>>1784788
Just one more thread for another boon

>>1784764
Supporting. Do the thing he said not to harm our body or mind
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>>1784775
This
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>>1784775
>>1784790
>>1784819
Writing
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"Before I enter I'd like to make a pact with the Great Elder One for my saftey."

The guards seem confused, but the old hag puts down her pipe and stares at you, before standing up.

"Haven't heard that in a long time. Yes, a long time. Sometimes the tribals try, but they don't have a choice."

The guards still look confused, but don't question it.

"I demand my safe passage in and out of this place, unmolested in body, soul or mind by the Great Elder One. In promise, I will not molest anyone here either by body, soul, or mind."

"Ah, a fair deal. A fair deal. What's your forfeit?"

"What?"

"Your forfeit dearie. We need a mortgage in case you do break your word."

"Will money work"

"We're no longer accepting cash dearier, so you'll have to offer us, either of Body, Soul or Mind. What's your forfeit? Flesh or bone, sanity or soul, thought or information."

>What say
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>>1784877
"And don't worry. So long as you do keep your word, we won't touch whatever you pledge. Ah ha ha ha."
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>>1784883
"How about a nice shipment of Jet that I bought in? That affects the mind and body of who takes it."
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>>1784888
>That affects the mind and body of who takes it."
Mind, body, and soul depending on who takes it.

Guess it's a good thing we brought these Jet samples?
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>>1784888
Isn't that supposed to be a gift?

>>1784877
Will a hand do?
And what's your forfeit going to be?
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>>1784888
"I told you, we have no need for material possessions. Even then our god provides us recipes for enlightenment more powerful than what you have in those syringes.

We know you. Do not ask a rich man to forfeit his money for honesty, for he will have much more where it came from.

Gold and goods the Great Elder One does not want or need. But a little bit of flesh is quite valuable. You could pledge us some of your flesh."
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>>1784901
>And what's your forfeit going to be?
"A god cannot break his word, but were such a thing possible, he would offer you flesh and blood as a reward.

To some, it is a dearly departed one, or perhaps a loved one that is missing from you? I sense someone has been taken from you, yes."
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>>1784902
Have my left hand

We're right handed? Right OP?
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>>1784908
Your ambidextrous.
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>>1784910
An appendix? That's flesh, and 1 of a kind.
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>>1784902
We could actually regrow flesh unlike our mind and soul from what I know, so let's forfeit that.

The contractees also won't manipulate each other to have them break their contracts first?

>>1784908
We could offer our non-dominant hand without mentioning that part.
>>1784910
Neat. Let's give our left hand for simplicity.
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>>1784912
What about our liver? I'd bet that's in high demand amongst the MLA.
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>>1784913
"Very well. A hand. Do not think yourself so fortunate because you can grow it back. Others have tried!

I must also warn you, do not take that which belongs from our god. For he will repay you MUCH greater than what you stole. As a binding agreement will not take by theft nor barter nor force that which is marked for our god.

Under these terms we pledge your saftey."

>Accept
>No
>Other?
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>>1784922
What if i'm given something marked by your god? Is this a I can't have it sort if deal, or a don't steal thing?
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>>1784922
>Do not think yourself so fortunate because you can grow it back. Others have tried!
What happens if they try to regrow it back?

>that which is marked for our god.
What do the markings look like?

>>1784922
>>Other?
What sort of contracts have others made in the past for something like this?
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>>1784926
>>1784928
"Niner has pledged to us that he will not trade off that which we have marked, and his men respect it. Should he or they break their bargain, it will be them that pay."

>>1784928
"They will be marked on their forehead or over their heart and chest."
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>>1784933
Accept to the terms, and keep our hands to ourselves, I don't want to get meme on for taking things.
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>>1784933
Okay. Sounds fair.
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>>1784933
Oh. So people.
Is it possible to remove those markings, or are they permanently stuck with those?

Are we going to get a marking like that?

>>1784937
>We literally lose our hand because we couldn't keep our hands to ourselves.
It'd be a great meme if that happened.
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>>1784937
>>1784940
2 for yes, just need one more.

The witch pulls out a blade and slices her hand, and offers it to you, clearly asking the same.

"Fear not, I have no diseases of the blood."
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>>1784948
>"Fear not, I have no diseases of the blood."
Is that literally or figuratively speaking?

I'm fine with these current terms, can we request to change them later?
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>>1784948
Can we cut our hand ourselves?

Also ask for a receipt need that proof on paper.
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>>1784951
Ask for a receipt anon. We need that paperwork, I don't want to get meme out of a hand, because of no signing of paperwork
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>>1784952
>Also ask for a receipt need that proof on paper.
And make it in red ink!

>>1784948
Can we talk to any of our companions from here? Like our Brain?
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>>1784952
Coincidentally she as a piece of parchment as well.
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>>1784956
How considerate of these dark god cultists.

We don't even have a dedicated town hall yet .
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>>1784956
>>1784955
Neat. Let's write the contract and get our accessible companions to look over it.

>>1784960
>inb4 the MLA are more organized than us.
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>>1784964
We can just read it ourselves.we don't have to drag other people into this.
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>>1784967
>>1784964
Use that int 10 to read through it and use per 10 to look at small print
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You slice your hand and shake hers, the blood of you both dropping onto the parchment which, a moment before was blank, writes out in simple terms in blood.

-You will not harm or be harmed of body soul or mind here
-You will not steal or barter or forcibly take for that that which is marked by the god, lest he take more from thee than you offered
-this contract grants you safe passage for the duration it is due, until the end of your journey here, and once you have left the MLA

they are eve nice enough to give you the receipt. They have no need of paper contracts, but mortals prefer it
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>>1784975
>-You will not steal or barter or forcibly take for that that which is marked by the god, lest he take more from thee than you offered
Does this also extend to our stuff?

>>1784967
>We can just read it ourselves.
>read
Are you sure about that?
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>>1784977
We can buy MLA stuff, but not dark god stuff. Kniwing them, they'll probably be rubbing that in our face by making us see our people who were taken as dark god slaves. We can't ask for them back or free them.
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>>1784975
>marked by the god
They have a big X in the forehead and chest?

>>1784977
Alright anon now we need to not barter with anyone. Since they can have a X on their chest.
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>>1784977
"Yes, but to our priest. If niners men thieve from you, then bring it up with niner or them.

I cannot sense you now, but when I did, I forsaw you tend to have no problems with pickpocketers. Are you not the greatest of them yourself? ha ha ha.
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>>1784983
>>1784984
>Alright anon now we need to not barter with anyone. Since they can have a X on their chest.
>This was all according to their plan.

>>1784988
Shit, they're onto us! Abort! Abort!
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>>1784989
>Tfw When Niner has a X on his chest. And giving him the Jet counts as barter

>>1784988
Are gifts given to marked ones, barter?
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>>1784988
>I cannot sense you now, but when I did,
What makes now different from before? Shouldn't it even be easier now that we're right next to her?
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>>1784999
She could feel the palm of our left hand. That's how they have a feel of you, and tell the future.

>Tfw Anons are extra worry about paperwork, after the NCR dick us over for not having patents
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The city gates are open to you, and you smell the mix of human inhabitation, rust and nuclear waste, supermutant and ghouls, and diesel and gasoline fumes. The air is filled with the roar of vehicles and machines, and the cracking of whips and wails.

>Head directly to wherever Niner is
>Detour Let's go to (Slave Pit. Cultist Church. Garage. Bar and restaurant. Arms Shop. Barracks.)
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>>1784997
>We decide to help some of the slaves around here, because we're a good guy like that.
>We give some gifts to a slave girl as charity.
>tfw the slave girl starts to cackle as she tears off her bloody rags on her forehead to reveal a red X.

>>1785001
>>Tfw Anons are extra worry about paperwork, after the NCR dick us over for not having patents
>In the distance, Oddball has the inexplicable urge to have a smug smirk.
>His inexplicable smug mood improves until he evilly laughs and sips his Salient Purple wine.
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>>1785011
Go to niners.
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>>1784997
>Are gifts given to marked ones, barter?
"You can give gifts. Just don't try to cheat like handing keys or a means to escape. We will know."
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>>1785016
Are buying slaves at a fair price, and taking them with us, against the pact?

>>1785011
>Detour Let's go to Slave Pit.
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>>1785011
>>Head directly to wherever Niner is
>>1785022
Maybe we can work out a deal without having to go buy them first.
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>>1785022
"Like we said, buy what you will, but not that which is marked by our god.

You notice most of the slaves don't have a mark on their head and chest, so not all of them are marked.
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>>1785022
Only cultist slaves i imagine. We can deal all we want with the MLA.
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>>1785024
Will the marks be plainly visible, or are they allowed to cover them up?
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>>1785026
"They are always visible. This is so others will know."
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>>1785027
Alright
I'm the third vote to go see Niner.
I do want to set something up with the slave tho. We can talk with Niner about it.
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>tfw niner asks if we should fuck his wife
>tfw told to by him
>tfw she is marked everywhere
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>writing
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>>1785029 - Late post of mine before I noticed the link to the new thread.


Also I think we need to accept that we can't beat any other faction in any real terms. We need to just focus on trading, expansion and researching, exploring and training everything we can for another decade. Then we can think about making our move.
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>>1785049
>Also I think we need to accept that we can't beat any other faction in any real terms.
I refuse, i believe once we build the new Reactor we will snowball.

Quick question QM, what do we need for passive metal generation?
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>>1785054
Synthesis is a long ways off, but you can achieve passive metal scavenging from the divide.
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>>1785054
>I refuse, i believe once we build the new Reactor we will snowball.
We really, really won't mate. I mean, I'm against wasting time on nuclear tech for now and I'd rather just focus on massive expansion and trying to get better tech from everywhere.

>Quick question QM, what do we need for passive metal generation?
Metal ores / salvage, a mining / salvaging facility, transport and a refinery / smelter.
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>>1784975
>>1785027
Neat. Does the contract not work as well if we break it unintentionally?
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>>1785054
>Quick question QM, what do we need for passive metal generation?
>>1785057
I don't think we will unless we do a Courier and adventure.
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>>1785058
It works perfectly well if we break it unintentionally. As in we lose a hand.
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>>1785064
Except I plan on doing a Courier and adventuring everywhere. Seeing as we are so insanely powerful and the rewards are so large.
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>>1785054
>I refuse, i believe once we build the new Reactor we will snowball.
>>1785064
Meant to link that.

>>1785073
Personally I wonder why we haven't been doing it more often since that's how we get most of our work done.
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>>1785073
Theres no real reason not to adventure and gather tech while homefront works on nuclear reactors. Best of both worlds.
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>>1785056
The Legion were Brutal. And cruel.

But they had order and discipline. They broke slaves to make them stronger, fit them in the heirarchy of their society.

These guys here are another story. As you pass by you see regular acts of cruelty and savagery for the sake of savagery.

Little vendors roast human cadavers on barbecues, hanging the meat alongside brahmin and gecko flesh as though it were no different. Advertisements for "Live barbecues" point towards the large bar and restaurant.

The air is rife with filth and smell. The Legion hung bodies as a warning and punishment to those who defied them. To the raiders and former tribals here, they make it a part of their decoration. Bones, skulls, ribcages, all hung as ornaments on person and buildings, bone laterns and skull lamps. No part of the human is wasted, and you see people regularly dressed in cloaks of human skin. You ask if they were from slaves who tried to escape.

"Sometimes. Escape is a good reason, but eh, sometimes its nice souvenir"

"Souvenir of what?"

"The torture pits of course! No better way to relax and have some good long fun. Get to try new things every time. Keep the skins as a nice reminder since the slaves usually don't make it.

We got some good holotapes too if that's your thing. Want some?"

You've never seen so many psychopaths in one place. This is more raiders than you've ever seen in your whole life actually.

>>1785058
You pretty much will only break if it you kidnap someone. Just don't steal someone.
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>>1785078
Mostly the limit on how much we can do per turn I imagine.

>>1785080
I disagree over the utility of nuclear reactors without cold, mass or hot fusion technology ignoring more breeder reactors since they are self-sustaining reactions which are essentially perfect for our very long term focused civilisation. However solar power consumes few resources in it's simplest forms and can be mass produced and used everywhere without worry while also working well for long term focused shit. Still we can do both as is feasible since reactors will need lots of fissile so they'll be an occasional thing while solar can be a more immediate solution.


Also OP, how easily could we replicate solar panels / the shit for our solar plants using non-fissile replicators?
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>>1785092
Sounds like a horrible place to raise a family
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>>1785080
Based on what we discussed in the last thread, we should really go mass solar at this point. Less hassle and more power straight away. Since nuclear, right now, is way too much trouble for way too little gain. Spam solar and we get more energy faster.
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>>1785095
Breeders only self sustain as long as someone is shovelling fertile materials in. So self sustaining in the same manner as coal generators.
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>>1785057
Look, he just said that we can generate a (tiny) amount of Fissile each turn with a small breeder reactor >>1784822
Which takes about half a year(Half of that if we get that 2nd Construction action)
QM also said that we need less energy to replace the Fissile requirement in replicators compared to using energy to make Fissile >>1783952
With this we can logically assume a Small Breeder reactor can generate more than a tiny amount of metal (Most likely low)
With those Low metals per turn income we can begin building more breeder reactors or Solar towers which will give us more metals per turn and at some point we reach critical mass and begin pumping out robots constantly.

Do you see why i believe it's important to get the reactor?
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>>1785092
>>>1785056
>The Legion were Brutal. And cruel.
I think you might've mislinked there.

>>1785106
>>1785095
The best route would be if we were able to secure a non-aggression treaty with the MLA while we then negotiated with the Legion in either diplomacy, gunboat diplomacy, or straight up grabbed Hoover Dam and other abandoned power generation facilities and started pumping shit out like no tomorrow.

Also I guess we're moving over that discussion to here now? It seems like it's starting to overlap.
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>>1785092
Eh, seems par for the course with raiders and such. To be honest the "cannibalism" ain't all that bad and the torture pits just makes sense given sadists exist and shit.

The only thing that pisses me off is that their city isn't even fucking clean. I mean I understand they probably are all too high to give a damn but have some pride in your hellhole dammit.

>>1785100
Except we've not had to do that for the Big Mt one and even if that were accurate I'd point out we can get nuclear waste from the NCR fairly cheaply and sell them back a portion of the fissile material we refine from it.

>>1785106
Except the problem is how much fissile material we need to create the reactors and shit in the first place. The actual raw material cost of producing them and getting their reaction started.
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>>1785116
The divide is full of fissile materials. We won't be wanting for a good while.
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>>1785116
For myself whos been in and out of the last couple of threads (work)

Assuming we dont build the nuclear reactor, what would your ideal plan be for the next 5 turns?
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>>1785116
>Except the problem is how much fissile material we need to create the reactors and shit in the first place.
When did that become a problem? Did QM post something about the reactor i missed?
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>>1785112
>straight up grabbed Hoover Dam and other abandoned power generation facilities and started pumping shit out like no tomorrow.
Well there are a fair few vaults in the NV area with functioning nuclear reactors / geothermal generators. So if we secure the region we can easily generate a large amount of power by linking them together and repairing them.

>>1785124
True but we shouldn't assume it is a endless source, even at our scale. We must begin planning for our next operation to secure yet more resources. Personally I would advise continuing through the Divide to NV and then securing that region if possible while linking to the various vaults / bunkers and such in the region by tunnelling.

>>1785130
He stated awhile back something about how much we'd need to generate the fissile alone for a breeder reactor but I can't remember the details too precisely.


The main point is that we would need a fair bit of the shit to get even a single one up.
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>>1785092
The place is also incredibly diverse, there are humans, supermutants, ghouls, and lots of other humanoid mutant species you've never seen before. Leather jacketed 80s gangers, skull and bone wearing fiends, and people of different tribes.

You even see some Deathclaws walking among the crowd, and talking. Intelligent deathclaws, and you wonder about Best Friend and his clan how they are.

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Niner's palace looms up ahead, a veritable factory made fortress, with scavenged guns and turrets and cannons of every make and design hanging from its balconies and windows. You walk past more guards and gates of soldiers.
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Does anyone have the flag we made for our country?
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>>1785143
>He stated awhile back something about how much we'd need to generate the fissile alone for a breeder reactor but I can't remember the details too precisely.
I'd like to see the exact post please if you could.
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>>1785148
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>>1785143
>Well there are a fair few vaults in the NV area with functioning nuclear reactors / geothermal generators. So if we secure the region we can easily generate a large amount of power by linking them together and repairing them.
Right.
Known power generators in the Mojave to my memory: Hoover Dam, Helios One, Vaults, cities like Ghoul City, and other abandoned places. We could probably take the Gun Runners' generators too if we wanted, since they make energy weapons and stuff.

>>1785126
>Assuming we dont build the nuclear reactor, what would your ideal plan be for the next 5 turns?
I'm not him, but I could offer one for becoming active on the inter-factional stage, since I think we've gone too far on the American isolationist end to be doing as much as we could.

>>1785143
>He stated awhile back something about how much we'd need to generate the fissile alone for a breeder reactor but I can't remember the details too precisely.
>>1785149
>>1784822
The QM answered this as a bonus of my quantity comparison question so we'd have a basis to work with for construction plans.
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>>1785146


At last you come upon his great treasure room where stores the loot of his exploits. And boy is there a lot. Fancy weapons of every single make line the walls, including a few sets of Power Armor from the NCR, and even from the Brotherhood of Steel. There's even a new type of Power Armor you haven't seen before, clearly of Brotherhood make.

Stockpiles of Nuka Cola and foods, stuffed corpses of beasts and monsters, outfits of officers killed. Gallons upon Gallons of booze, beer, and wine.

Artworks, statues, swords, armor and artifacts clearly from museums in both the NCR and the Old World. Colorful silk and linen carpets, curtains, and clothing.

Tribal artifacts, god statues, and religious totems strewn around haphazardly.

Shiny knickknacks and bits and pieces of technology. NCR and Old World furniture and goodies.

And money. Bottlecaps, NCR dollars, Brotherhood of Steel Scrips, Old World Money, Legion Denarrii, and gold and jewelry galore.

A big NCR tank sits in the center of the room, along with a Broterhood of Steel motorbike, stolen modified and uparmed, his prize possession.

And thats only a small list of what this room is full of. You imagine its what you probably would have done had you decided to go on a raider spree across the wasteland.

And an evil looking statue watching over them all. An ugly thing that looks like an octopus or a hideously deformed wasteland monster, with a body of emerald and red jewels for eyes that almost seem to be glowing.
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>>1785169
Posted too soon and derped. I'll repost without the extra paste.
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>>1785171
">>1785157
>>1785029
>If we expand to Utah we could make use of the rivers there. Generating power from them as well as getting farming water would be a good idea.
Another anon mentioned this, so we could also make more water generators from the Utah or Mojave rivers. Possibly some stuff from Goodsprings, Newberry Springs, our underwater aquifers, and other secondary sources depending on what their water source is from.
Maybe we could make water generators integrated with nuclear generators to really combine the two aspects, like for Cold Fusion and as neato cheap coolant for the other reactors."
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>>1785169
You do realize any power we generate in Utah would only be in Utah, right? We can't transfer it to Big Mt, si we would also need to build all the infrastructure to use the power.
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>>1785174
You mean like power cables and stuff?
We could hook up replicators to them directly, or the power cables would be far easier than an entire new generator in our area.
Anyways, it wasn't just Utah, I mentioned some other stuff too.
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>>1785157
That post doesn't detail anything about the Breeder reactor's fissile requirements.
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>>1785177
Cables from Utah? We don't even have a stretch of land connecting us to Utah to build power lines on. Also at that point were using more resources than we would building some other power source in the mountain.
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>>1785126

>>1785126
>Assuming we dont build the nuclear reactor, what would your ideal plan be for the next 5 turns?
1) Establish a basic presence in Utah: a fusion battery / generator, a alien battery and teleport pad. To be used to support the creation of actual (subterranean) colonies in the Utah region to support additional population, industry, power and so on without using our Scout ship for transport. This would then be followed by the establishing of a small scale presence. Roughly 50 people and basic but small scale industry. This would then be followed by deploying a flight of scout drones to map out the region, locate sources of salvage and then reprocess these Utah side to support further expansion. Creation of a prospecting robot would be advised at this point to locate mineral deposits for extraction using local assets for processing.

During this period efforts would have been made to move our Brahmin herds to Utah, freeing up additional food and water supplies in New Washington for people / new arrivals / additional farming and such along with creating an opportunity to transport massive amounts of Jet (refined from the, now unrestricted in their growth, herd) to the Utah city of the MLA for trade for slaves, metal and fissile material to then allow additional expansion of the Utah side population and colonies.

Longer term plans would then see us start mass military robot production and deploy them against the local legion settlements to gain access to additional lands without risking much as well as getting much needed brains.

2) Perform tech trading with the BOS and deploying a few robots to the destroyed BOS chapter in Texas in an attempt to establish a presence in the region while bringing back additional technological samples and PA from the region for study, use and salvage. This effort would be reinforced by attempting to establish contact with the FO 3 BOS, to gain access to the technical documentation they have salvaged from the Commonwealth as well as reinforce the in-character reasons to risk going there. Especially since they will send another expedition soon or already be there.

3) Constant efforts to salvage the Divide, refining the resources into construction robots and electrical generation. Along with small scale trading with the MLA potentially.

4) Attempts to create new drugs that enhance the user's combat abilities for sale to the MLA since they'd stabalise the NCR front, get us cash / resources and let us advance our knowledge of human-biochemstry and shit.

5) An additional colony / presence project. Depending on if we can get the FO 3 / 4 BOS to agree: sending the Courier and a few robots to the Commonwealth, appropriating industry (there are steel mills and factories we could use) to establish a presence. May not be feasible or advisable but would grant an additional site for expansion with large amounts of resources and minimal interference.

>>1785173
That'd be me. Thanks for reminding me.
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>>1785188
That plan's flawed we should first build the reactor for metal gain then do all that stuff you wrote.
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>>1785188
I could see that working. Im still hesitant to trade with the MLA, but otherwise it seems pretty straight forward
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>>1785183
>Cables from Utah? We don't even have a stretch of land connecting us to Utah to build power lines on.
I don't have the map of our area so I wouldn't know. Doesn't mean we can't expand to that area.

>>1785183
>Also at that point were using more resources than we would building some other power source in the mountain.
Those were ideas, but the water generators in general are the 2nd most powerful option next to the nuclear ones, and presumably faster too.
>>1784683
All of our power options can be improved on, as Fallout Science efficiency was canonically shittier than meta Earth's science efficiency because they started out with more shit than us. Which is apparently why the Hoover Dam is still pretty powerful compared to our current nuclear reactors.

>>1785179
>>1783748
>>1782849
If you look at the thread, from what I can tell it just uses fissile materials to make more fissile materials. So any really, probably (tiny) for a decent amount then more is better.

>>1785194
That'd take a while, but it's still pretty good now that we have the Divide.

>>1785199
So long as we attach some strings and don't give anything important it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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>>1785211
>If you look at the thread, from what I can tell it just uses fissile materials to make more fissile materials. So any really, probably (tiny) for a decent amount then more is better.
Yea, just a tiny amount, not a problem at all like >>1785116 was saying.
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>>1785211
>That'd take a while, but it's still pretty good now that we have the Divide.
I agree, which is why i first plan to finish the railway and get that second construction action.
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>>1785230
Actually, we might be able to hook into any remaining power plants that are left over in the military bases for a power boost. The terminals still work, so they have power.
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>>1785238
Huh?
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>>1785230
What are we making a railway to? Are both our railways going to have the hexcrete foundations someone suggested?

>>1785238
>>1785255
He's talking about the abandoned military bases, like the ones with the fusion research plans and all the pre-War shit the NCR is salvaging. Depends on how close they are, though.
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>>1785194
That is a waste of effort seeing as we wouldn't need as much power in New Washington once 50 people plus a complement of robots have left to Utah and most of our efforts would be redirected to Utah and such.

Also as I have stated so many times, no. A reactor takes a year assuming we only used one action but even if we invested all available labour into it it would still take too long for me.

>>1785199
The MLA are the only source of more population that isn't Legion loyalists, potential NCR spies or BOS human-supremacists. Plus we need the resources especially since setting up mining will take time and salvage is a fairly limited source.

>>1785211
>>1785225
That is the reactor's ability to produce more itself and I must point out that it can't make more fissile materials from nothing. Rather it can reprocess nuclear waste.

I was referring to a question that was proposed during one of the first threads when we got the Non-fissile replicator upgrade about how much power we'd need to produce the fissile to make a breeder reactor.
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>>1785259
>What are we making a railway to? Are both our railways going to have the hexcrete foundations someone suggested?
The Divide and they do currently.

>He's talking about the abandoned military bases, like the ones with the fusion research plans and all the pre-War shit the NCR is salvaging. Depends on how close they are, though.
He is talking about the ones in the Divide.
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>>1785267
Yes. The divide has a bunch if nuclear silos and other military infrastructure that still has power. Might as well use it.
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>>1785263
The objective isn't for energy itself, it's for the energy that we can convert into metal that we can use.
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>>1785272
Energy is energy. Take it from the divide or make it ourselves, we can use it all tgr same.
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>>1785278
I agree.
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>>1785267
>>1785271
Oh. The ones we were going to salvage for massive loot. Those, yeah.

Are we going to dismantle the nuclear stuff for power to then eventually make more military stuff instead of launching it at everyone?

>>1785263
>Rather it can reprocess nuclear waste.
>>1783748
>>1784683
Right. Which we can easily find in large amounts.

>>1783883
>>1785263
>Also as I have stated so many times, no. A reactor takes a year assuming we only used one action but even if we invested all available labour into it it would still take too long for me.
So about 10-15 turns to get all the reactor stuff for decent power generation if we just did it with the stuff we had. 5 if we just wanted to actively make tiny fissile materials each turn. He had the right idea but possibly the wrong order.
I'd say we expand our Solar Tower to tide over our needs for now, then divert the efforts we would have made for independently make the reactor and snatch up all the existing power infrastructure to then make our own power infrastructure.

>>1785278
>>1785281
I think he meant it so we could have our own power supply locally with fairly efficient results.
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>>1785288
>So about 10-15 turns to get all the reactor stuff for decent power generation if we just did it with the stuff we had. 5 if we just wanted to actively make tiny fissile materials each turn.
You forget, the energy from the reactor can also be used to make metals, which is my reason for wanting to build it.
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>>1785288
Well if we find any military reactors we can disassemble them and rebuild them if we want them closer to home. But we could also just build some maintenence drones, lay some cabling and get the power that way.
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>>1785308
Yeah, which is the same thing in terms of time.

>>1785314
Either works.
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>>1785317
>Yeah, which is the same thing in terms of time.
Well, actually it wasn't mentioned come to think of it.

>>1785056
>>1783883
>>1784822
Hey QM, for the same amount of power it'd take to make a (small) or (large) Breeder reactor for (tiny) or greater Fissile materials, how much could the power from those same Breeder reactors be used to convert really base shit like rocks, dirt, gravel, and sand into metal?
If it's too small, how big of a power generator would we need for (tiny) metal generation?
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>>1785288
Eh we'll play it by ear but the main point is that I want to focus on expansion, exploration and trade / development over building tall here in New Washington.


Especially since the NCR continues to expand, yet they won't contest our claims to land. So grabbing it before they reach it is a important goal.
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>>1785327
>Eh we'll play it by ear but the main point is that I want to focus on expansion, exploration and trade / development over building tall here in New Washington.
Yeah. Which is what I meant. We still need a Solar Tower at least to fulfill our local needs while we snatch up the foreign power generators.

>>1785327
>Especially since the NCR continues to expand, yet they won't contest our claims to land. So grabbing it before they reach it is a important goal.
Are we going to pull an Italy?
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>>1785263
>The MLA are the only source of more population that isn't Legion loyalists, potential NCR spies or BOS human-supremacists. Plus we need the resources especially since setting up mining will take time and salvage is a fairly limited source.
So instead we take druggie/cannibal/cultist people? Nice try.

>>1785211
>All of our power options can be improved on, as Fallout Science efficiency was canonically shittier than meta Earth's science efficiency because they started out with more shit than us. Which is apparently why the Hoover Dam is still pretty powerful compared to our current nuclear reactors.
This is the worst excuse ever. This is something QM said and something that makes no goddam sense. If you invest in power production, you want to have better performance for your material. Especially seeing the price of gas in pre-war times (literally thousands of dollars per gallon) and the fact that the need for resources was the reason it all went to hell in a handbasket. That they are not as efficient as ours at 2017, fine, maybe I can believe that. That they are shit-tier compared to hydro in 2077? No way, hose. With the added need for weapons-grade material and scarcity of nuclear fuel they would have optimized the system to hell and back. And I dont think abundance of materials was a thing, seeing as microfusion was there, just not quite large-scale yet (think Mass Fusion and the excited CEO of the company, as bad as F4 lore is).
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>>1785331
From the forecaster's vision, it seems the NCR is not interested in finishing of the legion, probably keep the enemy around for propoganda purposes. Which gives us time to handle internal affairs and build up so we can take territory.
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>>1785340
While the Bull, can't defeat the NCR, it's slowly being killed off. But it's going to take time for it to collapse. Like 10 years or so
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>>1785347
NCR is prolonging it intenruonally. Bleeding the bull, but bot killing it. While they waste time on that we can build up so we can take our pounds of flesh.
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>>1785336
>So instead we take druggie/cannibal/cultist people? Nice try.
If you actually read the post I was responding to and the post he was in turn responding to, you'd understand that entire exchange referred to trading Jet for slaves and metal.

>Are we going to pull an Italy?
Too small fry, we are talking the British empire in Africa levels of sprawling and shit.
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>>1785336
>This is the worst excuse ever. This is something QM said and something that makes no goddam sense.
Going with what the QM said mate, that's just what the rules he set are for this universe.
>Especially seeing the price of gas in pre-war times (literally thousands of dollars per gallon) and the fact that the need for resources was the reason it all went to hell in a handbasket.
To be fair it ended up like that because the pre-War nations were being decadently wasteful dicks to each other.

>That they are not as efficient as ours at 2017, fine, maybe I can believe that. That they are shit-tier compared to hydro in 2077? No way, hose.
When did they decide to switch over to nuclear power is an important thing though, because they didn't really go for alternative power sources until it was too late. By then it might've fucked up any chances they had with doing things properly.

>No way, hose. With the added need for weapons-grade material and scarcity of nuclear fuel they would have optimized the system to hell and back.
Apparently from from this universe they just shoveled more nuclear fuel and other shit to make shit happen and hoped it'd work.
>And I dont think abundance of materials was a thing, seeing as microfusion was there, just not quite large-scale yet (think Mass Fusion and the excited CEO of the company, as bad as F4 lore is).
It was there, but not enough to sustain the world's needs and keep them from being paranoid dicks to each other. Remember that they had it but kept it secret or selective between each other and other bullshit because reasons.

To be honest the real thing that fucked everyone over was the unmarked nuclear missile that went off to my memory and caused pandemonium.
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>>1785358
Eh. I'm of the opinion we should build tall, not wide. We just got some new resources, i say use them to improve the city we already have, rather than try to establish more elsewhere.
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>>1785369
Building tall is good when you've not got a nice easy expansion right next door.

Plus, we can't really afford to build taller in our current lands for much longer so we must expand. Especially if we want to make use of conventional industry in some parts of our society.
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>>1785389
Can't afford how? We have building material in hexacrete and metal, we have the labour. All we need to do is comit the time.
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>>1785358
And I am saying that the slaves we get from the MLA are in no way better in quality. Seeing as they enslaved the Marked Men i bet there are many cannibal tribes, indebted junkies and disfavored cultists in the slave pens. And I dont know how you intend to filter them out. Not to mention that likely every slave is somehow mentally and physically scarred for life.

>>1785369
I agree. Although I see the point with Utah. Seems like the endgame is fast approaching, as every major power now has ungodly amounts of bonuses going for them (NCR literal Blitzkrieg they had to slow down because it was too effective, MLA living underground and having literal fortresses with mazes of tunnels you can only navigate with voodo magick, BoS going drone fleet on the MLA so they have to stay underground or get blown up instantly, and so on). So I would like to support a landgrab in Utah but I want to secure the Divide first. See if we cant safely loot all the nukes, reactors and whatever else we can. Not leaving those in the hands of the MLA. And also getting the power problem solved in the home front so we can print robots without worry.

I do agree we have to liberally spam the Courier at quests though. While we get royally shafted at infrastructure, the hero quests make up for it. Strange that, with all the might and mind of BigMT, a lunatic package delivery man is the best hope if you want to build a computer.
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>>1785408
>Strange that, with all the might and mind of BigMT, a lunatic package delivery man is the best hope if you want to build a computer.
You have to understand, the Courier has the backing of meta voices from another universe that wasn't torn apart in nuclear fallout and mostly have common sense compared to everyone else pre-Quest.
Also apparently adventuring makes you godlike in all areas, maybe from the FEV and stuff.
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>>1785394
We will struggle to support more population both in terms of water for their own consumption and more importantly in terms of farming.

>>1785408
I'd point out to you we have purchased a multitude of slaves from the MLA and they have done excellently well. You are creating issues where none exist.
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>>1785362
>To be honest the real thing that fucked everyone over was the unmarked nuclear missile that went off to my memory and caused pandemonium.
Looking at the actual timeline, it wasn't unmarked, it's just that nobody confirmed who dun' did it first and everyone was a dickish paranoiac enough to launch nukes at first sight.
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>>1785429
I don't think we connected to the river yet, nor finished the underground farms. There is still possible growth here. Then we can build up Newberry and Trona.

We bought 3 slaves from the MLA, and they have been unnoteworthy.
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>>1785429
>>1785443
And the one slave we got from the Legion seems fine as well. The point is that MLA is not in any way special. I would argue going Legion would get us better brains to harvest, if we want citizens who are loyal yet useful, lets find the followers remnants who are supposedly somewhere out there.
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>>1785443
>I don't think we connected to the river yet, nor finished the underground farms. There is still possible growth here. Then we can build up Newberry and Trona.
Yes there is but for all the effort it takes to do that we could expand far more in other places like Utah.

>We bought 3 slaves from the MLA, and they have been unnoteworthy.
Exactly. Not noteworthy. Not a fucking waste of time and money and drug addicted cultists like you'd implied that they would all be but rather just as productive as any of our other citizens with no more or less problems or needs that have been presented to us.
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>>1785450
What about the BoS Mojave possible Remnants? We never bothered to check up on them.
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>>1785455
We don't know where they are. They disappeared from their bunker.
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back, just ate, writing
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>>1785336
>So instead we take druggie/cannibal/cultist people? Nice try.
>>1785454
>Exactly. Not noteworthy. Not a fucking waste of time and money and drug addicted cultists like you'd implied that they would all be but rather just as productive as any of our other citizens with no more or less problems or needs that have been presented to us.
Wrong guy, m8.

>>1785458
Couldn't we well, ask the Midwest Brotherhood for what a fleeing Brotherhood chapter would do?
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>>1785461
We sort of asked the mid west, but they didn't have any clue.
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>>1785450
>The point is that MLA is not in any way special.
They are a nearby source of population and resources that won't strengthen the NCR and that isn't the Legion. To be frank that is special and trade with them works well with expanding into Utah.

>I would argue going Legion would get us better brains to harvest
What do you mean by "going Legion"? And I would point out that is a part of my plan.

>if we want citizens who are loyal yet useful, lets find the followers remnants who are supposedly somewhere out there.
Probably dead, in hiding or enslaved by the NCR. Waste of effort.

>>1785461
>Wrong guy, m8.
My mistake. Point still stands.
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>>1785469
If they are in hiding we could offer them safety and they would come. So they aren't locked away from us forever.
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>>1785469
>They are a nearby source of population and resources that won't strengthen the NCR and that isn't the Legion. To be frank that is special and trade with them works well with expanding into Utah.
True. Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and efficient to go the broadcasting immigration route though? Didn't we get like, 50 immigrants that one time we broadcasted of which I think 10-23 died from walking all the way here and through the Divide storms? Compared to the I think 6 slaves we bought from the MLA and Legion which seemed expensive.
We could make another broadcast, modify the abduction system to not kill them, then include some party-size transportation units like Trucker Tim's Truck and tell them to get the fuck inside it if they see it. We'll handle the immigration stuff once they find us.

>My mistake. Point still stands.
>>1785443
>>1785450
Yeah. It was still the same thing the actual guy said.
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>>1785477
Build some drones to watch for refugees at the border, drive the party bus out to pick them up if they are spotted.
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>>1785475
>>1785477
Both valid points. Also I dont think QM would have mentioned them if it was a dead end. And the abduction way of getting citizens was outlined earlier. Get the same systems that abduct people grab them from the desert and bring them to a secure location where we determine if they are a spy/hazard or not. If clear, they join an outpost, for starters. If no good, we pick the brain and make a new TACT bot.
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>>1785488
>>1785489
Yeah, those were stuff some other anons mentioned earlier that I forgot to accredit.

Some anons and the QM also discussed having passive administration done by people while will manage it for us and give us some bonuses when we aren't doing it ourselves. We should start organizing that with our companions and special people and stuff. Maybe get Trucker Tim's input on how to manage transportation and logistics.
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>>1785459
QM, would this >>1785489 be doable without a dedicated action turn spent? Have the program altered slightly so it doesnt immediately debrain, just transport. Have SPI/Bond supervise and improve along the way.
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>>1785475
That'd take resources and time we don't have to get a few dozen people at most. Especially given we would need to send people into the NCR to find them which we would struggle to do since the NCR haven't found them either.

>>1785477
>True. Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and efficient to go the broadcasting immigration route though?
True but we can do both seeing as Jet is effectively a byproduct of an industry which we would struggle to use otherwise.

>Didn't we get like, 50 immigrants that one time we broadcasted
Correct

>of which I think 10-23 died from walking all the way here and through the Divide storms?
They died of the heat, the wildlife and other such general hazards. Not Divide storms.

I did suggest creating a road to a NCR town and having a monthly bus / truck go and pick up anyone who wants to join us.

>Compared to the I think 6 slaves we bought from the MLA and Legion which seemed expensive.
We got that few slaves because those were the only well educated slaves that MLA slaver had on offer (we've specifically asked for more and he has started looking for us, we should check in) and the Legion didn't allow us to more than two and the rest weren't that useful.
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At the end of the treasure room is an archway from which spills forth a colorful cloud of thick, colorful smoke and music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkHanF4v1w

The cloud seems to have a movement of its own, dancing and billowing upward, as though it were alive. There are leaves floating atop them, real green and colorful leaves lifted up by the breeze, and the whole room is illuminated with a writhing glow like a cave of water with a lamp thrown at the bottom. Even from this distance you sense an intoxicating smell, almost sickly sweet, like burnt spices. Your skin tingles in a good, exciting way that wants you to rush headlong into it, while remain exactly where you are, as your heart dances to the beat.

The familiar twinge of the electric guitar music, made soft and mellow and the voice of singing and drums echos from the cavern of lights and colors.

---

Do you want to put on your gas mask before you enter?
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>>1785511
>Do you want to put on your gas mask before you enter?
If we don't, do we get to bang women?
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>>1785511
Put on our best armor against gas/rad, since I think it can go through the skin
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>>1785513
This. We should've brought our hazard armour.
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>>1785511
yes
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>>1785511
>>1785513
Armor up.
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>>1785512
>>1785513
More seriously, yeah. First thing we do is get as much protection as possible just in case.
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>>1784694
>>1777743
>>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>>Turn: 113
Hey QM, you may want to revise the turn prompt suggestions into the number and types of actions we have available. I think that'd save on more space and be more helpful for future turn orders. Especially since we've outpaced the original 2-3 actions per turn.
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>>1785505
The followers can smuggle themselves to us. Once at the border they are ours.

And we get a few dozen more trained scientists, which is always good.
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>>1785512
You don't know if you invented it, but you're pretty sure you've perfected the 'Power Armored Smash'

>>1785513
>>1785520
>>1785521
You suit up, for a non caustic gas, a good old fashioned radsuit will work.

You find yourself in some kind of big pleasure den. The floor is covered in pillow, plushes, and mattresses. Slave women of every skin color and raider officers both human and non-human lie in recline, or furiously engaged in coitus, as a band plays to the side idly. Some familiar faces meet your eyes, 'Vincent-Vincent,' 'Motherfucker' the Super Mutant, Cook-Cook the Fiend, and others too. All seem to pay you no attention and are focused on whatever it is they are doing, if they are doing anything.

The center of the room is a great incense pit before a golden statue of that ugly thing again, where bubbles a mix of glowing chemicals with little crystals that shine like stars and rainbows. You swear you see the ruby eyes of the statue glowing again.

The floor is littered with used rubbers, syringes, bottles and trash which is being picked up and scooped by slaves wearing masks.

At the very end of this room, on a throne of skulls, guns, and gold. There is also what looks like two doghouses to the side, but big and with thick steaks in front of them. Must be some huge dogs

Sitting on the is a man. Women in the nude lie sleeping or mewling at his feet, and you recognize two of them as Cyan the Raider, Mellissa the Great Khan.

The man, like the rest of the human raiders in the room, is beefed up to hell and back, like the supersoldiers you and the NCR deploy. Only he's built far above them. He's almost size of Marcus now, only without the ugly deformation. A thick beard and mustache covers his face, in the style of the 80s, and wears a Yao-Gui pelt on his back. NCR and Brotherhood of Steel Medals line his chest, and a skull with an NCR Ranger Cap is his codpiece.

You're trying to recognize who the man is, and apparently, he is trying to recognize who you are..

>Man on the Throne
"Oi. You some kind of new slave? What the fuck are you staring at?"

>You
[Are you Niner?]

>Man on Throne
"That's WARLORD Niner to you. Fuck you're some dumb as slave. You better be a pretty bitch underneath that or I'll give you to the cult.

>You
[You don't recognize me?]

>Man on Throne
"Hang on a twitch. That voice, so familiar.

Who the hell are you?"

>You
[It's me. Courier Six.]
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>>1785580
>"Hang on a twitch. That voice, so familiar.
>[It's me. Courier Six.]
Curious, what does our voice sound like? Does everyone hear a bracket of sorts with our speech, or is that for style?
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>>1785568
This. It's not as useful anymore.

>>1785571
The problem is that they aren't going to abandon their cover to come to us for the most part and that'd require we got the information to them somehow. Seriously it's not like they are in radio range.
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>>1785611
Your voice is muffled by the gas mask, also of course you speak in Brackets. Even the Forecaster knows it.
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>>1785580
>You don't know if you invented it, but you're pretty sure you've perfected the 'Power Armored Smash'

>>1785616
>[Desire to learn more intensifies.]
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>>1785580
>Niner
"Six?

. . .wait.

Fucking Six? Is that you?

Well that's a fret. Shit man, I haven't seen you since we left the goddamn Mojave two lifetimes ago.

Cyan, Mellisa, look Six is here!"

He nudges them with his foot, but they do nothing.

"Oh don't mind them, they're just wrecked. Little too much fun for the girls sometimes. Ain't got the stamina that 'Bitch' has over there. Now she's a real animal.

I'm dragging. Six, my fucking man, what are you doing here? Aw this is great, I gotta host a feast or something we need to catch up."

>What say?
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>>1785638
Buisness first. Here's some jet. Its a gift.

Now take your people out of the Divide.
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>>1785646
Supporting this. The Divide is our territory.
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>>1785638
"Nice to see you man but I'm here on business."


>>1785646
>>1785647
Don't be idiots. That'll fuck this shit up and doesn't even benefit us.
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>>1785646
I also support this
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>>1785652
Support. We come bearing gifts because Niner's a cool guy and all.
Also ask what that gas is.
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>>1785646
"Oi, what. . .OH.

You mean our operations there? Man, you have any idea how long and how many slaves it took to dig a tunnel right underneath the divide?

When I heard you was there and fighting the Marked Men I asked my witch to do you a favor and give it to you. Though we could share the divide. You get the top and all the resources and goods, I use the bottom to mass my dudes for a big mechanized attack just like the NCR.

We're allied against the NCR right? I mean, last I remember you hated their guts."
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>>1785664
>You mean our operations there?
"Yes."
>Man, you have any idea how long and how many slaves it took to dig a tunnel right underneath the divide?
"We have an idea. It's pretty annoying when we tried. How'd you manage?"

>When I heard you was there and fighting the Marked Men I asked my witch to do you a favor and give it to you.
"Thanks for trying to do us a solid. What'd she say?"

>Though we could share the divide. You get the top and all the resources and goods, I use the bottom to mass my dudes for a big mechanized attack just like the NCR.
>You get the top and all the resources and goods, I use the bottom to mass my dudes for a big mechanized attack just like the NCR.
"So you're saying that we get the top, you get the bottom?"
"More seriously, we'd like to consider that, but first we have to make sure doing so won't interfere with our operations in case the NCR comes knocking."

>We're allied against the NCR right? I mean, last I remember you hated their guts."
"We'd be allied against a lot of people, like the NCR, but we'd rather not have to deal with them on our asses. So we're more like contracted mercenaries anytime we're not fighting alone."
"Sorry about any earlier fights our forces might've gotten into. We were contracted without knowing who you were or what we were fighting at the time, or told much of anything really. Turns out that sort of bullshit sucks."
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>>1785664
Thr marked men were losing, and you decided they were worth more as sacrifices than dieing at my hands. It wasn't a favour from you to me.

I dislike the NCR, but i also don't want to bring them down upon my people, so if your attacking the NCR, do it somewhere that usn't my land.
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>>1785664
"Look so long as your guys don't touch any of the salvage or pre-war bases in the region I guess you can keep your tunnels and shit.

I'd point out, by-the-by, that my people have designs for advanced tunnelling robots that could probably do the job of your slaves quicker, safer and cheaper. We could see about renting a few of these for out to you for materials and slaves but these are things to consider later.


For now I am here to offer an immediate trade of high quality Jet and potentially other drugs or other shit depending on what you can offer and how easily we can set up production.


As to being allied against the NCR, currently my people and the NCR ain't at war but that has more to do with them being so god damn terrifyingly well armed and shit than any sorts of warm feelings towards them. So we are standing on the side lines and it is terrifying to watch them fuck the Legion up the ass.


Still if you want you could come visit sometime, we can have some good fun with some of our prototype weapons and I can have you meet my children and shit. Plus a pre-war ghoul singer and a few AI's."
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>>1785703
I like everything here except for saying that we've fought against him.

"They're big and scary so we're at peace with them for now, but we hate them too."
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>>1785703
>"Sorry about any earlier fights our forces might've gotten into. We were contracted without knowing who you were or what we were fighting at the time, or told much of anything really. Turns out that sort of bullshit sucks."
>>1785718
Yeah. I was thinking of leaving that out until he mentions it. So let's exclude that for now and use that as our response.
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>>1785703
So supporting everything up to the question about being allied to the NCR.
Supporting >>1785717 too.
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>>1785703
Ill support the first three.
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>>1785717
Supporting this

>>1785703
Supporting this, but not the part about allied against the NCR bit
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>>1785703
>>1785728
>>1785729
>>1785733
>>1785762
Reworking the last statement.
>>1785703
>We're allied against the NCR right? I mean, last I remember you hated their guts."
"Right now we're leaving everyone be so they leave us be until the situation changes. We don't like many of the factions around, but it's easier for us this way."
"So we'd be contractors anytime we decide to involve ourselves elsewhere. You might be able to contract us, depending on the circumstances. We offer some sweet services."

"What's your stance on the Legion and other factions?"
"If you've seen our stuff or people before, what do you think of them?"
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>>1785717
If we're going to betray the MLA eventually, why would we let them establish a base within spitting distance. Of our capital? Thats just strategically dumb.
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>>1785703
>"We have an idea. It's pretty annoying when we tried. How'd you manage?"
The Cult Helped. See, you had always told me about these tunneler things right? Little nasty monsters but good at digging. Well, the Cult send over some of their Beastmasters there and what do you know it there were also Ghouls too! They had been fighting someone off and needed a hand, so they we made a deal. They helped us we help them. They guided the beast wizes and helped em capture a queen. So now we got a whole flock of tunnelers to help with the digging. Just gotta feed em. Brahmin and gecko works, human is better. Then it was just getting enough slaves and a rig up a couple of digging machines from some smashed Brotherhood and NCR bits and voila! A nice big tunnel. Course a couple hundred slaves died but eh, we recycled them."

>"So you're saying that we get the top, you get the bottom?"
"Hah. There's the six I remember. You still into pretty babes right? I got plenty right here. I'm sure you remember Mellisa and Cyan, but you ain't seen nothing till you met 'Bitch'. She's my pet on loan from the cult."

>"More seriously, we'd like to consider that, but first we have to make sure doing so won't interfere with our operations in case the NCR comes knocking."
"Hah. NCR don't even know we're there I bet. Even if they do, what are they gonna do eh? They've avoided the Divide like a plague. We're gonna build a big enough army, wait for a clear enough day, and march right out of there to fuck them in the ass!"

>"We'd be allied against a lot of people, like the NCR, but we'd rather not have to deal with them on our asses. So we're more like contracted mercenaries anytime we're not fighting alone."
"Whatever you say mate. We're trying to be all quiet about this thing too. Can't have the NCR figure out we're doing this. Got the witches to help."

>"Sorry about any earlier fights our forces might've gotten into."
"Hah You know that wasn't even me. Boy, Warlord Bishop is going to be mad as hell when they figured out my bud Six was the creator of those robots that fucked him up at Flooded City.

Don't worry about it mate. It's all water under the bridge now, ha!

Robots eh? Well, I suppose that makes sense, you did leave with House's whole bloody army. Now that was some serious looting skill.

Could really use you on the Eastern Front against the brotherhood. Wait till they get a load of machines to fight their own!"
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>>1785768
I can dig it.
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>>1785789
They avoid the divide because its worthless. If the MLA operates from the divide it becomes strategically worthwhile to kick them out. Do you anons see how this gets us in hot water with the NCR? We're letting rats infest our home so they can infest our neighbour.
This is terrible deal.
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>>1785768
>>1785790
>>1785789
RIP.
fack. On the bright side, now we know the MLA isn't as unified as we might've thought.
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>>1785772
Ignoring the fact that we can't displace them even if we wanted to, it's better to have a vague knowledge of the end of their tunnel network in the region being there since that is where they surface from so we can fuck them all the harder by destroying it later.

Also I'd point out that our capital is still a fair distance away, more than a days travel I believe. Given a few layers of defences or our army (now or when we expand it) fighting them? They'd be fucked to get close.


Also this weakens the NCR which works fine by me since the MLA ain't going to try and hold land without reason so we can sweep in afterwards and secure the ransacked settlements and such for ourselves. If the NCR question it we explain that we secured them from the MLA or something.
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>>1785717
>"Look so long as your guys don't touch any of the salvage or pre-war bases in the region I guess you can keep your tunnels and shit."
"Deal. You take it. I don't wanna touch that shit. Could explode at any moment or release some nasty robots. Got enough of that with the damn Brotherhood."

>I'd point out, by-the-by, that my people have designs for advanced tunnelling robots that could probably do the job of your slaves quicker, safer and cheaper.
>We could see about renting a few of these for out to you for materials and slaves but these are things to consider later.
>For now I am here to offer an immediate trade of high quality Jet and potentially other drugs or other shit depending on what you can offer and how easily we can set up production.
"Shit man, it must be my lucky day. Course we have some slaves to trade for machines and good shit.

But I tell you Jet is old school. The Cult can brew up some real fucking good ass shit. Would love to see you put that big tree growing brain of yours with them together."

>As to being allied against the NCR, currently my people and the NCR ain't at war but that has more to do with them being so god damn terrifyingly well armed and shit than any sorts of warm feelings towards them. So we are standing on the side lines and it is terrifying to watch them fuck the Legion up the ass.
"Ain't it? See, that's what we do all our shit underground. Can't bomb us down here! And we can make it real painful for em in our tunnels what with the cult helping us.

We try to do our part. Hit em from the side, pull away before they can bomb us. Gotta do it like clockwork cause the moment they know where you are the bombers start flying."

>Still if you want you could come visit sometime, we can have some good fun with some of our prototype weapons and I can have you meet my children and shit.
>Plus a pre-war ghoul singer and a few AI's
"Aw that's great! When I'm not busy I gotta go there. You don't mind if I bring along a few of the old gang and some of the new right? I'll even bring the food and booze.

Got some little Six's running around eh? Heh, maybe I bring some of my kids too. Cyan and Mellissa gave me sons each, and I got one growing in Bitch's belly too."
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>>1785772
>>1785789
>>1785810
From what it looks like, the MLA is going to try pulling a NCR and pull a massive counteroffensive.
So until that point happens, the NCR won't be able to detect them, or if they would they'd probably have done something while we were busy fighting at the Divide.

I think we should allow them to build up forces around here, so long as they don't directly launch forces from where we're at.
>>1785816
>>1785818
>>1785789
We should have them inform us and have discussions about the MLA network underneath the Divide and when they try launching offensives from it and stuffc.

>>1785818
>"Aw that's great! When I'm not busy I gotta go there. You don't mind if I bring along a few of the old gang and some of the new right? I'll even bring the food and booze.
>Got some little Six's running around eh? Heh, maybe I bring some of my kids too. Cyan and Mellissa gave me sons each, and I got one growing in Bitch's belly too."
I feel like this might become tragic.
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>>1785816
Yeah, but tunnels to the NCR go west, pass the capital. When we finally try to put down the MLA, they would be in a perfect place to attack us.

Were bitching out and you guys are arguing "it hurts the NCR" despite the fact it will hurt us even more.
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>>1785810
>They avoid the divide because its worthless.
More so because it is a irradiated hellhole that they'd struggle to explore, let alone fight or have a siege in.

>If the MLA operates from the divide it becomes strategically worthwhile to kick them out.
It can be worthwhile all they like but they still need a way of doing it which they lack.

>Do you anons see how this gets us in hot water with the NCR?
Not really. Seeing as they have no reason to think we'd work with the MLA.

>We're letting rats infest our home so they can infest our neighbour.
That is a terrible metaphor.
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>>1785810
I'm aware. Its a shit Situation.
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gonna brb in a few hours, will try to continue dialoge on my phone, keep talknig as long as you need to
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>>1785826
>>We're letting rats infest our home so they can infest our neighbour.
>That is a terrible metaphor.
REMOVE RATS FROM OUR SHITTY NEIGHBORS!
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>>1785826
Yeah,. because letting the MLA build up in our territory can't possibly go wrong.
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>>1785823
Agreed.

Potential solution: region we are in experiences minor seismic activity on a "regular" basis which could most likely be detected. Seismic sensors could be used to detect presence of tunnels or caverns within certain regions, thanks to the effect is has on the waves as they travel through the earth. Would allow for certainty of the size of their networks but would take time to gather data and computing power similar to a radar array to process it.

>>1785824
>Yeah, but tunnels to the NCR go west, pass the capital.
Except there are no tunnels to the west, only towards their land as far as we know and that would be towards Utah most likely: to the north-east roughly.

>When we finally try to put down the MLA, they would be in a perfect place to attack us.
So we position our assets to eliminate the tunnels before that can occur by collapsing them or flooding them with poisonous gas or water or something. Not exactly hard

>Were bitching out and you guys are arguing "it hurts the NCR" despite the fact it will hurt us even more.
Only if we are unprepared when we declare war and I'd point out it only hurts us because you plan on betraying the MLA rather than maintaining neutrality long term and allowing them to die to the BOS or to internal struggles while we expand.
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>>1785849
They're all under one banner of the dark god. They are not going to fall to internal struggles.

The brotherhood doesn't seem to be winning, especially since we're helping them attack the NCR. And they will build up tunnels to go west. Why would they not build more tunnels.
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>>1785830
I'm confused as to what you mean by this post.

>>1785835
Never said that but I would point out that more or less everything could go wrong or backfire. This is just you redirecting discussion rather than providing a counter to my arguments. Even then I must point out that the chances of this resulting in major damage long term is incredibly unlikely. Seeing as we have many different ideas as to how to deal with subterranean enemies and could smuggle a nuke into their tunnels or underground to collapse them if those fail.

Plus your plan of getting them to leave essentially revolves around asking them to and I fail to see that working which leaves only military force which results in our death.
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>>1785876
>They're all under one banner of the dark god. They are not going to fall to internal struggles.
Kind of. We should ask them that. It's not like a dark god doesn't allow strife between his dark disciples.

>>1785849
>Potential solution: region we are in experiences minor seismic activity on a "regular" basis which could most likely be detected. Seismic sensors could be used to detect presence of tunnels or caverns within certain regions, thanks to the effect is has on the waves as they travel through the earth. Would allow for certainty of the size of their networks but would take time to gather data and computing power similar to a radar array to process it.
I remember some anons briefly discussing this, this'd be a clever way to resolve the tunnels issue. We should get on that.

>>1785890
>I'm confused as to what you mean by this post.
I was joking to continue the metaphor. Maybe I should've spoilered it instead.
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>>1785876
>They're all under one banner of the dark god. They are not going to fall to internal struggles.
Yet Niner doesn't get angry at us killing the followers / warriors of another Warlord.

>The brotherhood doesn't seem to be winning
They are constantly gaining is my understanding which is why the MLA is pushing into the NCR: the salvage, slaves and space allows them to hold the line against the BOS while also putting valuable ground between them and robotic death.

>especially since we're helping them attack the NCR.
Less so helping, more so not interfering.

>And they will build up tunnels to go west. Why would they not build more tunnels.
That is a different point entirely and could be resolved by requiring they keep their tunnels out from under our actual lands. Maybe explaining we need that space for our own shit.
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>>1785890
Ask them to leave, and if they don't fight them. Remove them before they become too big to handle.

Will all the new tech they have you think they can't mitigate the Divide's weather? We did.

Again, they have all sorts of fancy tech. THey surely have a solution to MLA tunnel networks.

MLA is in our territory. We're either complacent, or incompetent, both means they would put their fist down.
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>>1785901
Doesn't mean they would turn on each other. Especially as the Dark God gets their loyalty more and more.

The Brotherhood is causing problems, but not wrecking face any more than the NCR. They're just focusing on other things.

We're quartering them in our territory. That's helping.

They would get as close as they can. They would position themselves advantageously.
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>>1785896
>I was joking to continue the metaphor. Maybe I should've spoilered it instead.
Nah I'm just tired as shit.

>>1785902
>Ask them to leave, and if they don't fight them.
They won't and we'd lose.

>Remove them before they become too big to handle.
Don't know if anyone has told you this yet but too fucking late to stop this shit. The MLA is set up, has troops in the region and ain't moving.

>Again, they have all sorts of fancy tech. THey surely have a solution to MLA tunnel networks.
If they did then the MLA wouldn't still be relying on them to survive now would they?

>MLA is in our territory. We're either complacent, or incompetent, both means they would put their fist down.
As I have said so many times: it ain't our land, they can't do shit regarding the Divide (and don't know what we can do there either so for all they know we can't either, ergo we can't stop the MLA) and even if they could, they'd be busy dealing with the MLA's raids and shit.

>>1785908
>Doesn't mean they would turn on each other. Especially as the Dark God gets their loyalty more and more.
Raiders are raiders. They'll do as raiders do. Also you are making assumptions just as much as I am.

>The Brotherhood is causing problems, but not wrecking face any more than the NCR. They're just focusing on other things.
Which means that if the BOS actually focused, they would win the war far quicker but they have greater concerns. So they will in due time.

>We're quartering them in our territory. That's helping.
No, it's not our land and we couldn't beat them back even if we wanted to.

>They would get as close as they can.
Then claim a border further away numb-nuts.

>They would position themselves advantageously.
Then expect them to do that and work under that assumption.
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>>1785925
You keep saying the Divide isn't our land, but as far as the NCR is concerned from the border treaty we signed it is. We are responsible for anything and everything inside of it. Including the MLA.

If they use the Divide as a spring board to attack the NCR it will draw them to us. Not the Divide, Us. They may not have the tech to attack the divide safely, but they sure as shit do to attack us in Big MT.
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>>1785925
We would lose harder if we let them build up more.

We were just fighting against the marked men, we can take whatever they currently have in the region and push them out.

Better than frontal assaults. Just because it can be mitigated doesn't mean it isn't the best option.

We claimed the DIvide, and they respect that because they have no reason not to. If the MLA operates there, then the NCR will come for it. You think dealing with the raids means not going at the rading base camp? You want the NCR to find the Nukes?

I'm assuming the dark god would keep everyone in line pretty much. Not large scale civil wars, just personal conflicts

BOS has no other enemies. they are completely focused on the MLA

We claimed it, and we can beat them back.

Why let them build at all? numb-nuts
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Ok first off:
- We recommend him someplace else to attack from somewhere that doesn't lead them back to us.
- We tell him about the NCR spy drones and as such stress the importance of staying underground. (we can have seismic detectors for future protection from underground attacks.)
- We ask him who Bitch is.
- Ask about how unified the MLA is.

>>1785908
Please understand that they are underground so we have plausible deniability. We can just claim that we were unaware. In fact I would say that the NCR would be further convinced of our innocence by the fact that we dealt them a huge blow at the city that we fought at.
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>>1785944
Ignorance is no excuse for incompetence. If we can't keep our territory free of enemies of the NCR, they would do it for us.
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>>1785960
I feel that they would see us as a liability more than a potential ally and work on Annexing us.
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>>1785972
Exactly. Why are we giving them an excuse?
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>>1785944
>- We recommend him someplace else to attack from somewhere that doesn't lead them back to us
"Divide seems like as good a place as ever. Right south if all the heaviest fighting. Legion won't attack us. Well smash the NCRs spearhead in between them and the Legion.

What do you suggest six?"
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>>1785944
>- We tell him about the NCR spy drones and as such stress the importance of staying underground.
"Invisible spy drones.

Well that fucking explains it. Damn I knew they were spotting us somehow.

Hmmm, wonder if I could try and get some better radar vans. Maybe more AA trucks. Four barreled ones like the NCR uses. Yeah."
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>>1786010
Head north and burn down the miracle forest that gives the NCR tge majority of their fuel for everything they do.
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>>1786010
Do it under the main legion front While the NCR is fighting the Legion, You can pop up behind them and cut their supplies off, and have them overrun by the legion, while you fight inwards.
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>>1785960
You have not answered any of my points. What we're trying to do here is to take advantage of the two wars to weaken both of them. The forces under this attack is our friend: Niner. We have plasible deniability against the NCR as well because of reasons stated.

>>1785972
>>1785981
I don't think so guys. The NCR views us as unbeatable as of yet because of what Oddball told them. It's why they had (or still have) spybots on us.
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>>1786010
>>1786021
>>1786024
>>1786032
"Also we'd like to claim some land afterwards, we have some things in mind that might benefit both of us."

>>1786046
>I don't think so guys. The NCR views us as unbeatable as of yet because of what Oddball told them. It's why they had (or still have) spybots on us.
So Oddball technically did us a solid by being paranoid about us. Thanks, Oddball?
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>>1786046
>I don't think so guys. The NCR views us as unbeatable as of yet because of what Oddball told them. It's why they had (or still have) spybots on us

This is just my opinion /assumption but i think its less thinking us unbeatable, and more of not opening a third front conflict

But if MLA attacks from our territory they may not feel like they have a choice.
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>>1785944
>- Ask about how unified the MLA is.
"Bout as unified as a bunch of Raiders, Ideologists, Supermutants, and Death claws can get.

Yeah sometimes we get into scraps but what bandit doesnt. But we all know what happens if we let that get in the way of kicking ass of our real enemies.

Its death camps to the east and death camps to the west. Least the Legion have gotten off our backs.

We might scrap ver resources, the best slaves, or because I don't like their face, but when it comes to the Cause we get together.

Not the least cause we all gotta pay respect to the Cult, without them we'd all be dead."
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>>1786046
Which points? Playing ignorant?
That won't work because the NCR won't care.

They got a good look at our capabilities. We lack industry. The NCR doesn't see us as unbeatable, but as a neutral power that share enemies. They watch us because that's just standard foreign policy.

It's not that they can't beat us, but that it isn't worth it. Letting the MLA operate in our lands makes annexation more worth it.
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>>1786067
So basically, as long as they fight other people, they won't fracture.
Basically a unified front. Why are we helping these assholes?
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>>1786067
>Not the least cause we all gotta pay respect to the Cult, without them we'd all be dead."
"Did you guys sell your soul to them, like the Marked Men did?"
"How tough is the war for you?"

>Its death camps to the east and death camps to the west. Least the Legion have gotten off our backs.
"We might be able to offer you refugee in that case, but we'd have to get some more resources to accommodate everyone before we do."
"How bad are your people, say if they tried working with normal people and stuff?"

>>1786084
They remind me of Orks.
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>>1786091
And working with the orks never works out for anyone but the orks.
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>>1786103
Not unless we can turn them from Orks into Orgyns.
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>>1786066
We can say something like:
"We must pull all of our forces back and to defend ourselves from the raider menace." if the NCR comes knocking.

>>1786091
No refugees. Don't do this.
Instead ask:
"Death camps? Are the NCR genociding mutants or something?"
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>>1786112
How will that stop the NCR from marching on the Divide and setting up shop there?

And the NCR probably genocides mutant raider rapist murderers. Which is a fair action.
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>>1786112
Also, I image the lack of being raided. At all. Would warrant suspicion. If the MLA is getting past our forces to attack the NCR, why are they not attacking us?
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>>1785938
>You keep saying the Divide isn't our land, but as far as the NCR is concerned from the border treaty we signed it is.
Except as far as they know we don't do anything in there. Ergo, it is our land in name only and thus they can't blame us.

>We are responsible for anything and everything inside of it. Including the MLA.
Again, not really seeing as we couldn't stop the MLA even if we wanted to.

>>1785939
>We would lose harder if we let them build up more.
They aren't going to be building up more here seeing as they're already well established but we will be you fool.

>We were just fighting against the marked men, we can take whatever they currently have in the region and push them out.
You mean we can take an army of battle hardened, well equipped, dark god enhanced supermutant, ghoul and humans who have experience against robot armies, tanks and everything else under the sun? Who have fucking witches? We'd be fucked and lose the resources of the Divide and get pushed back mile by mile until death or having to join the NCR.

>Better than frontal assaults. Just because it can be mitigated doesn't mean it isn't the best option.
I don't see your point.

>We claimed the Divide, and they respect that because they have no reason not to.
And they'd be fools to suddenly disregard a sovereign nations borders. Seeing as the instant they do that we have no reason to regard theirs as well as it ruining relations and turning us against them.

>If the MLA operates there, then the NCR will come for it.
Assuming they have the resources to spare, the MLA doesn't push them further out, they figure out a way to fight in the Divide effectively and shit.

>You think dealing with the raids means not going at the raiding base camp?
When the raiding camp is underground in a fortified pre-war city in a region which is constantly irradiated and filled with dust storms that strip skin off of people? Aye. Seeing as they'd be fucked to fight in there and Divide storms would make creating a defensive line outside of the Divide difficult.

>You want the NCR to find the Nukes?
Now you are just making inflammatory statements in an attempt to make my position look shit. I'd point out that my immediate plan for those weapons is either to disassemble them and reuse the material or place them in storage for use against the MLA's tunnels as previously described.

>I'm assuming the dark god would keep everyone in line pretty much. Not large scale civil wars, just personal conflicts
Which can escalate to civil wars.

>BOS has no other enemies. they are completely focused on the MLA
I never said enemies, I said concerns. Could be as simple as getting a border with the D.C chapter taking priority over a perceived inevitable victory. Perhaps they're trying to fight something we don't know about or perhaps they're making better progress than we know.

>We claimed it, and we can beat them back.
We did and we can't.
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>>1786134
>Except as far as they know we don't do anything in there. Ergo, it is our land in name only and thus they can't blame us.
Its our land. They can blame us, and they will.

>Again, not really seeing as we couldn't stop the MLA even if we wanted to.
As long as they are in our land, we are responsible for them.

I feel our military is strong enough to put up a fight, and i can see us winning. It wont be easy, but its doable.

I think at this point its doubtful well come to a compromise or an agreement for this topic.
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>>1785944
>- We recommend him someplace else to attack from somewhere that doesn't lead them back to us.
Personally I'd just let them attack from the Divide and if the NCR asks we got pushed back if they ask.

>- We tell him about the NCR spy drones and as such stress the importance of staying underground. (we can have seismic detectors for future protection from underground attacks.)
Agreed.

>- Ask about how unified the MLA is.
Agreed.

>>1785960
Ignorance is a excuse for not doing shit you dumb fuck. The MLA were far away, why would we ever expect them to pop up in the Divide?

>>1785972
And we could resist them seeing as they'd be distracted dealing with the MLA and we can easily create some fairly effective defences.

>>1785981
If they needed an excuse I am certain they could have found one by now.

>>1786055
>Thanks, Oddball?
Potentially. Still want to kill him though.

>>1786084
Because they are a useful tool for weakening our enemies and are lead in part by old friends of ours.

>>1786116
The NCR as I have stated repeatedly lacks the ability to fight in the Divide.

>>1786123
Static defences can be made cheaply and far more effectively than any sorts of mobile force. So raids can be stopped easily but any sorts of counter actions would be harder.


>>1786134
>Why let them build at all?
Ignoring it weakening the NCR? Because we lack the forces, the industry, the tactics and everything else to fight them and win anything more than a small fight.
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>>1786134
Then they are free to move in.we can't handle the claim so its void.

You keep saying that but you have no proof. And the MLA presence will only get worse.

They are partially established, but as niner said, theyre building up more.

And your plan is to roll over and take it like a bitch? Aren't you the anon with all the plans that never go wrong?

The NCR can partially deal with tunnels as they fins them, but tunnelling is still the MLA's best option.

According to you, its not ours so they won't be violating borders. And quartering an enemy force would be a reason to annex anyways.

If the MLA is attacking the heart land"
, they would put resources into stopping it. Just cause you're rolling over doesn't mean they would.

Its the smarter choice than just dealing with surprise attacks. Its what we would do.

Removing the nukes means we don't have the missles anymore. Having warheads lieing around is not helpful.

Well niner says your wrong >>1786067
No civil war anywhere in the horizon

The brotherhood military is wholy focussed on the MLA threat. They can't focus anymore than they already are. The midwest doesn't really care about the east anyways.

We're not fighting the entire MLA, just the ones in the Divide. After that we collapse the tunnels so they can't mount an offensive against us.
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>>1786116
Because of the defined borders that we have established when we first met the NCR. Also, we don't know if the NCR DOES genocide mutants, and if they do than you ALSO don't know whether those mutants are raiders or not knowing that there ARE mutants living in the NCR.

>>1786123
Because of the giant ass robot army in the way? We can go with the Switzerland card. "They were too strong and powerful for us to join you while at the same time they didn't want to lay seige to us because we were too dug in" sort of deal. This is of course if they manage to beat back the MLA to warrant such questioning. They will have way too much to deal with in the mean time.
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>>1786169
>Its our land. They can blame us, and they will.
Baseless assumptions.

>As long as they are in our land, we are responsible for them.
No, not really seeing as we can claim to be fighting them as hard as we can and the NCR will struggle to disprove it. Plus they wouldn't be able to really do much in the Divide themselves as I have argued in past so they would have to accept this as truth and as the maximum effort we and they can do against the MLA.

>I feel our military is strong enough to put up a fight, and i can see us winning. It wont be easy, but its doable.
No it fucking isn't. These guys can actually go on the offensive, have greater numbers, actual vehicles, better weapons and black magic. We'd be fucked.

>I think at this point its doubtful well come to a compromise or an agreement for this topic.
No, but I am going to stay up just to make sure you don't fuck us up the ass like with Elijah.
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>>1786195
>No, but I am going to stay up just to make sure you don't fuck us up the ass like with Elijah.
Are you sure you don't want to sleep so we try soloing Elijah immediately after we leave him? Then end up hospitalized for several weeks?
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>>1786189
If enemies are operating from the divide, its free game for the NCR to move in.

And you think the NCR would buy "were to strong"? Don't be ridiculous. If were strong enough to defend ourselves were strong enough to push them back, especially one small cell.
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There is a circle of conflict going on:
Brotherhood<->MLA<->NCR<->Legion

>>1786207
Do you think that Switzerland had any capabilities of fighting and defeating the German Army during WW2 if they attacked? Not they didn't But why didn't Germany attack? Oh wait that's right it's because of Switzerland's defenses and strong professional army. Assumptions on your part. With good rolls and more fleshing out of the plan we can succeed.
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>>1786215
IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT EVEN A PLAN. IT'S HAVING THE MLA ATTACK THE NCR. YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT THE NCR WOULD GIVE A SHIT AFTER HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS.
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>>1786195
"The fascists won't blame us for not keeping our house in order and letting the MLA operate under our feet"
Haven't you argued repeatedly that the NCR would screw us over at the first opportunity? Why wouuld you think this wont draw their ire?

What happens when they tell us about the MLA and tell us to deal with it? Do we refuse? They are watching us constantly. They can tell if were doing militaty actions.

Yes we can, especially now, before they don't pull in reinforcements. If we can take 3000 marked men, we can take the small MLA force in the divide.

So you want to fuck us over with the NCR to fellate the MLA?
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>>1786215
Do you want to cede the entire divide? Cause that's what that means. The NCR wont give it up.
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>>1786189
>>1786215
Switzerland had mountains, mountain passes, and scorched earth plans ready for any of their territories.
We have mountains, divide storms, desert plains, and possibly space or tunnels. Also maybe the Cloud depending on what Elijah is doing right now.

We have a similarly strong professional army, and unlike Switzerland, can actually back up our claim that our regulars are like any other nations' special operatives.

>>1786230
For now, let's keep the MLA here, then check on the NCR, then see how it compares if we want to tell the MLA to not draw their attention here.

Also we should check out where any Marked Men who didn't sell their souls went.
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>>1786188
>Then they are free to move in.we can't handle the claim so its void.
Except they can't move in either as I have repeatedly stated.

>You keep saying that but you have no proof. And the MLA presence will only get worse.
Aye but they have been preparing for this major offensive for months now seemingly and all those bases that they have in the Divide are stocked with troops armed to the teeth. We couldn't beat them fast enough to prevent them reinforcing and pushing us out.

>They are partially established, but as niner said, theyre building up more.
Aye for a offensive into the NCR. Not to sit around in the Divide.

>And your plan is to roll over and take it like a bitch?
No mine is to accept the deal he offered that entirely gets everything I want from the Divide before moving onto more important shit in my opinion rather than getting into another protracted conflict in the Divide for no reason and pissing off another empire.

>Aren't you the anon with all the plans that never go wrong?
I've never claimed such a thing.

>The NCR can partially deal with tunnels as they fins them, but tunnelling is still the MLA's best option.
Aye I suppose. Your point being?

>According to you, its not ours so they won't be violating borders.
It's ours but that doesn't mean we actively hold it. We claim it but that doesn't mean we are responsible for that which occurs inside.

>And quartering an enemy force would be a reason to annex anyways.
IT'S NOT FUCKING QUARTERING IF YOU CAN'T PUSH THEM OUT. Plus the NCR couldn't fight in the Divide.

>If the MLA is attacking the heart land, they would put resources into stopping it.
Aye but that might prove insufficent or unable to reasonably push back their advance especially given how much they have thrown into fighting the Legion.

>Just cause you're rolling over doesn't mean they would.
Fuck you and the high horse with a dildo for a seat you sit on.

>Its the smarter choice than just dealing with surprise attacks. Its what we would do.
Aye because we can actually move through the Divide without our skin flying off, becoming ghouls, suffering eternally painful un-death or dying. UNLIKE THE NCR.

>Removing the nukes means we don't have the missiles anymore.
Like I give a fuck seeing as that ain't how I plan on using them.

>Having warheads lying around is not helpful.
It is to me.

>No civil war anywhere in the horizon
Never said there was and in fact his point confirms what I was saying: there is potential for civil war but it is suppressed by greater outward threats.

>The brotherhood military is wholy focussed on the MLA threat. They can't focus anymore than they already are. The midwest doesn't really care about the east anyways.
You can't prove that without speaking to the BOS and I would disagree entirely seeing as their leader is at least partly dedicating efforts to expanding elsewhere I would imagine out of interest in bringing more people into his control.
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>>1786195


>Baseless assumptions.
Its not baseless. Ive listed my arguments post by post. Just because we disagree doesnt make it baseless, thats ignorant.

The NCR has every possibility of blaming us for any attack that comes from our territory, just as we would do the same if we were suddenly attacked by rogue elments from within the NCR borders.

>No, not really seeing as we can claim to be fighting them as hard as we can and the NCR will struggle to disprove it. Plus they wouldn't be able to really do much in the Divide themselves as I have argued in past so they would have to accept this as truth and as the maximum effort we and they can do against the MLA.

My argument isnt the NCR fighting in the Divide. I Doubt they have the tech, unless oddball is hiding even more shit in his pockets.

My argument is them holding us accountable /potentially attacking us in Big Mt.

>No it fucking isn't. These guys can actually go on the offensive, have greater numbers, actual vehicles, better weapons and black magic. We'd be fucked

I disagree. Sure they can go on the offensive, but there tunneling system as far as we know is in the divide. They can only attack us in the divide, wich turns it into the same city fight weve been winning at against the marked men. They have more numbers and interesting tech, but they cant bring it all to bear when cramped in the punishing confines of a city.

>No, but I am going to stay up just to make sure you don't fuck us up the ass like with Elijah

...... Was i responsible for Elijah? Im actually having a hard time remembering.
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>>1785944
>- We ask him who Bitch is.
"HEY BITCH. Wake up!"

He whistles as if to a dog, and starts jangling a chain that leads to one or the two dog cages.

"Bitch is my pet fuck beast, a real animal, wild and crazy on the sack."

You hear a human growl coming from inside, and a sniffing noise. Someone is crawling out on all fours.

An arm painted with tattoos steps out first, followed by a bald, scarred head. Then shoulders leading to breasts and chest seductively wrapped with more tattoos to entice the eyes, all stemming from an unreadable sigil over the heart. Then a belly, swollen with child, and finally the rest of the legs and body.

There, crawling out on all fours and sniffing like a dog is someone you once called Officer Laura Blakely. She volunteered to give her brain at great risk to the TACT bot. You gave her a medal. She has a husband and kids.

And right now she's baying like a dog and crawling up Niners legs, trying to undo his cod piece with her mouth while sniffing his crotch.

"Cult bought her from Bishops men and bound her to the gods. I don't know if she's always like this, got a big scar on her head and said she was zapped by lightning. Fuck me if I could figure out how to do that to some other slaves."

"She's actually not mine. I'm babysitting her for the Cult as a gift. When they found her all she cared about was eating, sleeping, fighting and fucking. Cult trained her real good in the last bit. What man doesn't like a good tussle with a hot babe before doing it like deathclaws in heat!"

She tries to pounce on him, but he pulls her down forcibly by the chain. Then she tries to sniff your pants.

"Unsatiable isn't she. She'd tear the place apart if she doesn't get some good fucking now and then. Thankfully Buster over there keeps her occupied."

He points to the 2nd doghouse.

"You know, I don't even know if what's growing in her is mine or mutant dog. Guess ill find out."
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>>1786241
Being in divide means their past the mountains. Its a straight shot to the capital from there. Its nothing like switzerland.

And what do we do if it turns out the MLA would shift the balance of power too much? At that point we can't remove them. Best not to let it get that far.
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>>1786258
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE COOPERATING WITH THESE ASSHOLES?
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>>1786264
>And what do we do if it turns out the MLA would shift the balance of power too much? At that point we can't remove them. Best not to let it get that far.
We could check up and back in like a turn or two. It won't take that long.

>>1786258
Ah... Okay. Now I have some problems.
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>>1786258
"Is she permanently part of Cult property, or is there a way to remove said branding or marking?"

>>1786275
Hm... I feel like this is the sort of people the Cloud was made for.
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>>1786258

Niner, Im not sure if you are aware of this or not, but that is one of the members of my Millitary Officers that went missing in action. Who would I have to talk to or kill to get her back?
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>>1786230
>Haven't you argued repeatedly that the NCR would screw us over at the first opportunity?
Where it benefits them, I would imagine so yes but this isn't an example.

>Why wouuld you think this wont draw their ire?
Because I am not retarded? Because I think I can imagine a reality where they can respect our tiny state not being able to fuck up the massive MLA offensive that just rushed through?

>What happens when they tell us about the MLA and tell us to deal with it? Do we refuse?
No, we claim that all of our military experts are in agreement that taking offensive action will result in unsustainable losses.

>They are watching us constantly. They can tell if were doing military actions.
And let them fucking watch. They won't see shit seeing as we plan on destroying those spy drones soon.

>Yes we can, especially now, before they don't pull in reinforcements. If we can take 3000 marked men, we can take the small MLA force in the divide.
You are assuming that the MLA force is small, that they are as capable as the Marked Men, that they aren't already being reinforced and that us taking as many marked men as we did wasn't because of luck, positioning and surprise.

>So you want to fuck us over with the NCR to fellate the MLA?
Now you are just being creepy.

>>1786251
>We're not fighting the entire MLA, just the ones in the Divide. After that we collapse the tunnels so they can't mount an offensive against us.
You are assuming that we can defeat their entire force, collapse every tunnel and avoid defeat before they can get a single reinforcement in.

I consider this more insane than declaring a war against the NCR right this instant.
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>>1786293
Don't say that. That's bargaining for god property. We can't do that or god strikes is down.
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>>1786091
"Yeah. Best decision I ever made. I feel great, stronger than ever, and I run my own clan now. We ain't no gang no more were fucking raiders and we're the bloody best at what we do"

"War is bloody and fucking hard but we make do. It helps that the NCR, Legion, and Brotherhood make so many enemies and are such tight assess that they're practically pushing recruits and outcasts onto us."
"Refugees? Hah. Mate we ARE the go to for refugees. We're fighting for real freedom here. Freedom from the NCRs laws, from the Legions assimilating, and from Brotherhood extinction.

My boys will behave if I tell em too. Just hope you don't mind a few picked up habits."

>>1786112
"Nah. The Brotherhood genocides mutants, ghouls, and deathclaws who don't swear to them. You swear to them they just work you to death anyway.

NCR doesn't care about that much. With them it's the Tribals they round up and gas in camps. Thats why all the Tribals come to us."
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>>1786299
I just want to know the name of the person, so that when we aren't bound by the oath we can come back and perform 100Barter AND/OR High Impact Violence.
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>>1786307
Fuck the MLA. Get your people out of the divide.
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>>1784922
>>1784933
>>1786293
>>1786299
Yeah. We have to be discrete about this. Although I think it only counts if the transaction happens.

>>1786307
Oh fuck...

>>1786307
>"Yeah. Best decision I ever made. I feel great, stronger than ever, and I run my own clan now. We ain't no gang no more were fucking raiders and we're the bloody best at what we do"
"Oh. Is selling your soul permanent? Is there a way to get or buy your soul back?"

>>1786316
Let's not say it to him in those words though. But yeah, this is much worse than I imagined.
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>>1786314
Don't want to risk it. Might conflict with the spirit of the deal, and when making deals, we're bound by spirirt, they're bound by letter.
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>>1786255
>Its not baseless. Ive listed my arguments post by post. Just because we disagree doesnt make it baseless, thats ignorant.
It is seeing as I have provided counterarguments which to me refute your points entirely. Rendering it a statement without reasoning and thus without basis.

>The NCR has every possibility of blaming us for any attack that comes from our territory, just as we would do the same if we were suddenly attacked by rogue elments from within the NCR borders.
Except this is different because it isn't "rogue elements" it's another nation that is invading that one.

>My argument isnt the NCR fighting in the Divide. I Doubt they have the tech, unless oddball is hiding even more shit in his pockets.
Agreed.

>My argument is them holding us accountable /potentially attacking us in Big Mt.
Which would be retarded seeing as it makes another enemy and draws resources from fighting the MLA.

>I disagree. Sure they can go on the offensive, but there tunneling system as far as we know is in the divide. They can only attack us in the divide, wich turns it into the same city fight weve been winning at against the marked men. They have more numbers and interesting tech, but they cant bring it all to bear when cramped in the punishing confines of a city.
Mate they will win. It's a fact. We just don't have the resources to sustain a war of this scale currently especially against an enemy which scours battlefields for salvage reducing our ability to reclaim war material from our dead and their losses.

>...... Was i responsible for Elijah? Im actually having a hard time remembering.
Quite possibly. All I know is that some of you are to blame and it pisses me off.
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>>1786289
>>1786293
Niner turns white and looks horrified.

"Oooohhh fuck. Oh shit man I didn't know!

Fuck me."

'Bitch' hears what he says and turns to him, but Niner decidedly pushes her away.

"Fuck man. . . I am so sorry. I don't know what to say.

I'd give her to you . . .right now. . .but she's not mine. Not even I can give her to you. You'll have to talk to the Cult for that.

. . .

I can try to treat her nicely until you figure something out with them. I'm sort of in a bind not to trade her off . . ."
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>>1786337
"And I can't take her because I made an Oath to your god, So for now We can shelve it. I will settle things with the cult when the Oath is released."
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>>1786330
We're not dealing with these chucklefucks. They deserve to all die.
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>>1786255
>...... Was i responsible for Elijah? Im actually having a hard time remembering.
Well what'd you do back then?
>>1786330
>Quite possibly. All I know is that some of you are to blame and it pisses me off.
Same. It happens though.

>>1786337
>I'd give her to you . . .right now. . .but she's not mine. Not even I can give her to you. You'll have to talk to the Cult for that.
"It's fine. We'll handle it."
>I can try to treat her nicely until you figure something out with them. I'm sort of in a bind not to trade her off . . ."
"Yeah, we know about it. We'd appreciate it, thanks."

"Anything that we should know about so you don't get dragged into this too badly?"

>>1786330
But seriously, what do you think about the recent QM posts?
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>>1786351
I'm on a phone right now so my ability to respond is limited. If you can link or post specific questions that'd be nice.
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>>1786337
I say we tell Niner "Don't bring Bitch with you to my place. She has family there."
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>>1786365
I say we kick the MLA out of our land, and kill them all.
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>>1786350
I'm perfectly happy to Deal with the MLA, when they aren't amassing forces in our Territory.
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>>1786357
Got it.
>>1786351
>"Anything that we should know about so you don't get dragged into this too badly?"
>>1786343
So we're mostly going to do that.
"If we talk to the Cult about this, trying to get our people back, would there be any instances where it breaks your bindings or oaths? Or so long as it's just us directly you're safe?"

"Do you have any backup plans if things get too hairy?"
>>1786325
"Also, we'd like to know about your soul, that's pretty important."

>>1786365
Yep. In fact, tell him to not bring any of our former people in MLA hands now to our place until we get this sorted out.
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>>1786258
Well shit time to go see that Cult lady, eh?

>>1786275
Because the alternative is death.

>>1786307
>NCR doesn't care about that much. With them it's the Tribals they round up and gas in camps. Thats why all the Tribals come to us."
I FUCKING CALLED IT!

>>1786337
"Thanks man, I know you wouldn't do that sort of shit without knowing. I just feel sorry for her husband and children. Not to mention her actual brain which is going to be kinda weirded out by it's body now.

God willing this can be fixed or I will be pissed with your god's cult. I won't break my promise or anything mind you but I might reconsider supporting MLA efforts quite as much as before...this is too fucked up man."

>>1786350
Eh, it's mostly the cult guys that need to die. Even Niner thinks this is fucked clearly.

>>1786351
>But seriously, what do you think about the recent QM posts?
This is the first thing to make me honestly consider shortening the timeline in my head as to when we betray the MLA and is making me consider torture as a appropriate response to anyone who works for this cult.


Brain-wiping is too good for these bastards. I recommend we dispose of their bodies directly into a disintegrator.


>>1786373
In due time. Rushed vengeance merely causes more suffering and lessens the retribution delivered.
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>>1786357
There is no more deal. Attack the NCR from literally anywhere else, but we won't talerat MLA prescence in the divide. Pull them out, or we will have to force them out.
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>>1786390
Its only fucked because it involved us. He was perfectly happy to do it before we came along.
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>>1786391
>>1786397
And? Which shows how much we mean to Niner as a friend. And you want to throw away this valuable political connection over messed up shit we've seen and dealt with before.
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>>1786391
That is a terrible position to take, it'll fuck relations up the ass.


Soften the statement. Change it to not tolerating them having their tunnel networks in the Divide but allowing them to still base from there.

I.e we will construct the tunnel, it'll be under watch by us and have a border point and everything.


That'll help with our problem with their presence long term by letting us rig it with defences or explosives to collapse it, show case our construction abilities to them and get us potential buyers for our productions while also getting across how much of a fuck up this is.


>>1786397
Aye and I had few problems with gas weapons against the Legion but slightly more against the NCR but that has changed.

Morality is relative and this is an example. His was based around proximity to those he cares about (e,g us) rather than some inherent standard of value and to be fair she's at least well fed and not being abused too badly by him. Some raiders would've tortured her and shit.
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>>1786390
>I FUCKING CALLED IT!
To be fair, many of us called it with the obvious Hitler and Senator Armstrong references. Hell, the QM even used pictures of Hitler to represent him.
>>1781946
The QM also did something similar with Oddball with the obvious Littlefinger references and even images, we might want to use that next time we
gauge someone.

>>1785580
What do our references and pictures on Niner say about him so far?

>>1786390
>This is the first thing to make me honestly consider shortening the timeline in my head as to when we betray the MLA and is making me consider torture as a appropriate response to anyone who works for this cult.
Good to know we're all on the same stance now.

>>1786397
That's largely because we're one of his best friends though. He did think they were bad back with the fiends, but did it to keep himself from being couped. Also because we didn't offer him a good spot as an alternative, I think.
Maybe he just put that on overdrive and went into double-think territory.
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>>1786408
So? He's stiill a terrible person. The NCR are better people than the MLA, I rather help the NCR than the MLA.
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>>1786417
Fuck relations with the MLA.
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>>1786422
>To be fair, many of us called it with the obvious Hitler and Senator Armstrong references. Hell, the QM even used pictures of Hitler to represent him.
I know but quite a few people didn't believe me when I said that the NCR were going to be doing this shit.

>Good to know we're all on the same stance now.
It's still years down the line but I am willing to compromise down from 10-12 years to 8-9 years instead. Pending if we can get the BOS to align with us and how things go in general.

However I reserve the right to torture, experiment and hunt all members of the dark god cult and of the follower's of the War lord Bishop seeing as he is involved in this.
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>>1786437
No one thought they werent. Just that the MLA are worse.
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>>1786434
And now you sound like a emotionally driven and irrational retard. You'll ruin our ability to take revenge for what they have done and kill their dark god if you screw things up.
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>>1786442
We knew the MLA were worse. To be frank as far as challenging moral expectations goes the Legion have risen the farthest to me, the NCR fell the furthest and the MLA haven't really done all that much I didn't expect.
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>>1786443
We kick them out of the divide, then work with the NCR ti defeat the rest of the MLA. We don't have to cooperate with them to defeat them. Not everything requires subterfuge.
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>>1786437
>I know but quite a few people didn't believe me when I said that the NCR were going to be doing this shit.
In their defense, the same thing happened when they said that about Hitler.
This is getting meta.

>>1786434
Man this'll end up with another Elijah if we do it rushed like this.
>>1786443
Yeah man, let's keep another Elijah from happening.

>>1786408
>>1786417
>>1786422
This is taking protagonist-centered morality to extreme levels.
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>>1786457
I agree with you on us removing the MLA from the Divide, but I have to stand against you on working with the NCR. Im sorry man.
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>>1786459
When we went upp against Elijah, we were alone. Now we have an army so we can fight back.
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>>1786473
Well at least you agree with kicking the mla out. We can side with he brotherhood to kill the MLA. But helpiing the MLA is just karma suicide.
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>>1786457
It does when the alternative risks literally everything on your vague belief that we can defeat what they have in the Divide in a timely manner and that they won't dig new tunnels.

>>1786459
>Yeah man, let's keep another Elijah from happening.
Agreed.

>This is taking protagonist-centered morality to extreme levels.
True but the Courier is a self-centred and self-serving individual in the game, plus what we've said is not inaccurate.

>>1786474
An army wouldn't have helped then and it's too small to help now.
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>>1786476
Vs. your vague belief that we can't? We can totally win this. Just like we were winning against the marked men and their numbers.

You're the one who says that you could cripple the NCR with a bag of dynamite. Think of something. We can win this battle.
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>>1786490
>You're the one who says that you could cripple the NCR with a bag of dynamite.
fo'real?

>Think of something. We can win this battle.
Which battle?
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>>1786490
I agree that we have the potential to win, but this is going to be nothing like fighting the Marked men. The only thing we have going for us is the fact that its a punishing City fight which works in our favor, and that we have a zax to analyze tactics. I think its worth a shot, but by no means is it going to be easy.
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>>1786495
That is plan anon. Hes always has plans that definitely always work.

The battle against the MLA for the divide.
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>>1786501
I know, but the MLA is both bad for us materially, and karmically. They need to go.
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>>1786504
>Hes always has plans that definitely always work.
Which ones? I figured we did it collaboratively so there wasn't any one specific anon who did it.
Was he the anon who thought up of the Alien Scout Ship tractor beam to demine areas? Or the one with the robot formations?

>>1786504
>The battle against the MLA for the divide.
I can think of one, but I personally think there's a much better way to go about it than effectively straight up challenging them to a battle of sorts.
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>>1786385
>"Anything that we should know about so you don't get dragged into this too badly?"
Can you clarify what you are asking anon?
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>>1786517
He's the one who is always suggesting thing on the basis he has a plan, and they definitely will work, but no one really goes for them. I just find it amusing how he seems to see pushing out the MLA as impossible.

I actually thought up using the tractor beam for demining.

Well tell us the plan.
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>>1786490
>Just like we were winning against the marked men and their numbers.
We were winning because they lacked heavy weapons, vehicles and the ability to throw numbers at us.

>You're the one who says that you could cripple the NCR with a bag of dynamite.
Actually I said weaken and that was a long time ago. They've had years to industrialise since then.

>Think of something. We can win this battle.
I can't think of something when we know nothing about the enemy, their numbers, their training, their tactics or anything else.

The best I can provide is that we could use the tactical nukes in the region to collapse their tunnels using the shockwaves, that'll at least reduce their ability to reinforce anytime soon. That is all I can provide to you if you are going to force this route but dammit, this will get us killed.

>>1786512
I disagree on the material front but agree morally this is horrible but to be frank I feel it is a good sacrifice for the good of our civilisation.
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>>1786539
What should we know about so Niner doesn't break the oaths or bindings he's under from our actions, or us by extension from trying to get our captured soldiers back?
In addition, if say, a fight or battle breaks out in a fit of passion, anything we should know about regarding breaking rules of our current contract? Would say, slapping one of the cultists or the MLA warlord who captured our forces with our oath make us lose our hand or something?
If say, our forces decide to declare war on the MLA warlord who captured them because this happened to piss us off enough, would he be able to lay low or even seek refugee with us?

We'd like to throw Niner a bone here as thanks, so we'd like for him to not die or suffer a fate worse than death because of this.

>>1786545
>Well tell us the plan.
Give me a bit while we deal with Niner.
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>>1786557
No vehicles in tunnels, the Marked men had anti-armour weapons.

We can use normal seismic charges to collapse the tunnels, as well as liberal use of fire. Fire in tunnels both suffocates and cooks, so is very effective.

materially it is a bad idea, because the NCR response would spill over and impact us, by nature of proximity, and how much the NCR cares about our collateral. It is really not for the good of our civilization except in the short term. Long term, the MLA operating in the DIvide would be a bitch and a half to uproot, especially as they fortify more and more.
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>>1786385
>"If we talk to the Cult about this, trying to get our people back, would there be any instances where it breaks your bindings or oaths? Or so long as it's just us directly you're safe?"

"Well, sometimes they make an oath that's works only in our lands. When people leave it stops being active, until they come back or try to attack us. Then it comes back and works again again.

Better check to see if its one of those oaths. Sometimes you can tell by leaving and coming back. They say the paper used to sign the deal will dissappear and reappear."

>"Do you have any backup plans if things get too hairy?"
"If shit goes wrong the attack? We fall back like we always do and try somewhere else.

He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and all."

>"Also, we'd like to know about your soul, that's pretty important."
"I uh. . .sold it. I don't know if there's a way to get it back. Maybe you have to buy it back but I don't know. I kinda have a good thing going on here and don't wanna ruin it."
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>>1786570
Oath only applies until we get home. Then it's back to business.

And do we really want Niner to not die? He's kinda a terrible person. The sort everyone else would kill off in a heart beat.
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>>1786575
"Can you promise me that your raids won't get the NCR watching me or my people closely or trying to attack us? I don't feel comfortable if you all run away to attack from somewhere else and leave me and my people to deal with the aftermath."
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>>1784975
>-this contract grants you safe passage for the duration it is due, until the end of your journey here, and once you have left the MLA
>>1786575
>Better check to see if its one of those oaths. Sometimes you can tell by leaving and coming back. They say the paper used to sign the deal will dissappear and reappear."
"It's a one-off contract, only for this one journey. So thanks for mentioning that."

>>1786580
I dunno. AXE MAN's kind of like that, actually. He's a blood knight who's formerly a Raider for a good fight. We just happen to be able to work with that.
>And do we really want Niner to not die?
Biggest reason is he'd be our best bet for a Raider contact so we can get shit from them without having to fight for it.

Also, from what I can tell by our interactions, discussions about, and conversations with the Raider companions, we're effectively their moral compass.

>>1786545
>I actually thought up using the tractor beam for demining.
Clever thinking, anon! That really saved us a ton of heartache, so thanks for that suggestion.
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>>1786603
Well AXE-MAN is a blood knight, not a rapist demon cultist, so not really the same thing. Violence can be used productively. Rape cannot.
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>>1786616
Not with that attitude! Don't actually do this.
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>>1786390
"Uh what do you mean 'her brain'?"

>>1786570
>In addition, if say, a fight or battle breaks out in a fit of passion, anything we should know about regarding breaking rules of our current contract
It probably is voided if someone else starts a fight. Unless maybe you goad them on or something. You aren't sure.

>Would say, slapping one of the cultists or the MLA warlord who captured our forces with our oath make us lose our hand or something?
Entirely possible.

>If say, our forces decide to declare war on the MLA warlord who captured them because this happened to piss us off enough, would he be able to lay low or even seek refugee with us?
You don't know.
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>>1786628
>"Uh what do you mean 'her brain'?"
"It's a long story. You'll understand when you get there."
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>>1786588
"Hmmm. You make a good point.

But look, we gotta fight the NCR somehow. The Legion keeps feeding them as many tribals as they can muster but they won't last forever.

If we can turn the tide around here, go back on the offensive, we might just win this!

I think we can do it with your help"
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>>1786635
OOC, We don't want that though. We want to maintain balance of power, so they should find another way.
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>>1786635
"So those other Warlords. How bad are they generally speaking, or say compared to you? How much do they listen to you or would to me?"

>>1786642
Pretty much, but let's not tell them that.
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>>1786631
Don't say this. As much as I support having the MLA fight the NCR I don't want the MLA to know about it.

>>1786642
Yeah the whole point of me supporting a proxy war is to weaken/stunt the NCR's winning streak.
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>>1786631
>>1786647
Hm, true. Here's a more prudent one:
"Wastelander sayings and stuff. You know, the usual. Think of it as a metaphor of sorts."
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>>1786644
Which is why out of character.

Preferably, if we can get them to move their troops for a less strategically beneficially attack, But we can't let them actually mount the offensive. I would say warn the NCR when it happens, but that doesn't look good for us.
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>>1786654
>Which is why out of character.
Yep. I was acknowledging it like that.

>Preferably, if we can get them to move their troops for a less strategically beneficially attack, But we can't let them actually mount the offensive. I would say warn the NCR when it happens, but that doesn't look good for us.
Along those lines, yes.
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>>1786653
>>1786635
Forgot to link them.
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>>1786635
"Look that might be the case but you have to understand how difficult it would be to justify that to my people as well as how much that would cost for us to do. You'd need to give a damn good incentive for me to do that like most if not all the NCR's land whenever the war is finished. You can take most of the adult population but my people need the industry, space and resources they have."


>>1786635
Well, if we were to have the MLA destroy the NCR, we could then work to spread across their lands and establish a bunch of Enclaves. Then once we've grown sufficiently and they are busy fighting against the BOS (and don't have the raids against the NCR to help sustain them) we can turn against them and shit.

Still having a alliance with the MLA seems like it'd allow for a balance between all of the factions most easily (Legion would be better but it'd be too difficult to pull off) but I think we could pull off a continued independent route if we made some risky choices and avoided open conflict for now.

>>1786654
No, no, warning the NCR raises questions of how we found out. Better to give the MLA a few dozen advanced tunnelling machines on loan so they can tunnel quicker and farther, allowing them to expand their tunnel networks through the NCR faster and thus strike deeper into their lands and shit and therefore avoid linking it to us and our region.

We could also see about taking over their industrial infrastructure and shit. Becoming a major manufacturing centre and modernising their factories as well as connecting them all together or something.
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>>1786694
Dude, why are you trading the Entire NCR adult population for this?

Having the MLA destroy the NCR is not balance of power. And if the MLA win, they get a whole bunch of the NCR's shit to use. The MLA cannot win. Alliance with the MLA is not a balance if it ends with them winning. Best stay out of everything like we have been doing.

Exactly Which is why I said it won't look good.
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>>1786644
"Lotta War Lords out there, I only remember the most notable ones.

There's Mr. Bishop. He's a real tough son of a bitch. Big guy, chisled chin, kinda looks like uh, Yaunker for some reason but younger. Says he took over the Bishops at only 13 years old. Likes to travel the waste and foot and has a thing for finding good shit. Leads the Bishop clan along with a number of Tribals, although the tribals gotta make their gods pay heed to the Great Elder one. Apparently he used to believe in his tribal gods and kept up being a goody two-shoes but after they failed him and most of his family got butchered by the NCR he swore over to the Great Elder One.

We have a smart Deathclaw clan lead by an alpha called Basim. Apparently their leader comes from the Mojave and a different Deathclaw clan that got split in two after the son of the last alpha got into a quarrel with the brother of the alpha. Half of them joined us, the other half went to the Brotherhood of Steel.

Warlord Black Knight, or well, the Black Kinght. Used to be a member of, get this, a Brotherhood Paladin that defeated a Super Mutant general to become their leader.. That paladin was killed by the Brotherhood of Steel, and so half the Super Mutants fled while half the others joined the BoS. Black Knight ended up being mutated into a super mutant himself. Turns out the BoS machine general ended up sending them to work camps so those who fled just left to join him.

Couple of others but I hardly care about them to even remember."
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>>1786694
This is quite the significant proposal, so I would like some support for it before it goes through.

Also if you anons wish to continue negotiations, go somewhere else in the city, or return home then say so.
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>>1786733
No support for that. The MLA cannot be allowed to win. Ever.
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>>1786694
I disagree completely. The POINT is to maintain BALANCE and have them weaken each other until we have the opportunity to destroy them. The NCR is breaking this balance. We allow the MLA to attack for the SOLE reason of weakening the NCR.
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>>1786694
I don't want to hand over the NCR Pop to the MLA, I would rather have them integrate into us after their nation is destroyed.
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>>1786733
Yeah. I not supporting that. We can't allow them to win. And we need the population for our own civ
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>>1786708
>Dude, why are you trading the Entire NCR adult population for this?
Because most of it will end up being killed fighting them or sacrificed to the dark gods I'd imagine and to be frank I am talking hypothetically to him.

Also because I am literally trying to get across to him how much he is asking us to risk, that the reward to us would need to be insanely huge for us to risk war with the NCR when the MLA haven't managed to gain ground against the NCR for some time.

>Having the MLA destroy the NCR is not balance of power.
It is if your goal is to eliminate the only actual competition.

>And if the MLA win, they get a whole bunch of the NCR's shit to use. The MLA cannot win.
Which is why the stipulation is that they got the population and we get the land, industry and resources.

>Alliance with the MLA is not a balance if it ends with them winning.
Fuck balance. That concept was before the ticking timer on the MLA that is the BOS.

>Best stay out of everything like we have been doing.
Except that hasn't been working. We at the very least need to look into taking advantage of the MLA to expand into new regions via their tunnels and thus get stronger.


>>1786733
It's just hypothetical man, not actually something to say seriously just a sort of statement of what he is asking us to risk. I just want to hear what the MLA through him will actually offer us if we managed to win their war and all that shit or even if we join.


>>1786754
And I agree if I thought that was feasible I would recommend it but currently I feel we are best off helping the MLA get stronger, delaying the arrival of the BOS, weakening the NCR and relieving the Legion from the NCR's attacks. Thus getting us more time to build up and then descend into the Legion's lands via Utah and quickly seize land and resources to then turn against the NCR once more, then against the MLA and then by that point we should be strong and large enough to relax for a moment and focus on civilian technological advancement and other such shit.

>>1786755
Fair enough but I doubt it is going to be that easy, plus the NCR's population is far less than what we expect given they have been killing off all of the Tribals and I only said most of the NCR's adult population. Children are exempt for example, as they can be raised in our culture and avoid the difficulties of having to integrate a massive population that we conquered.

>>1786762
We don't need that much population given the fact we plan on using robots for more or less all hard labour and have AI's that can do research and shit. Plus for every human we effectively get two thanks to Brains.


On the other hand it is 3 AM and I honestly can't be entirely certain what I am thinking is a good idea.
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>>1786773
Alright in 2241 NCR has 700k people. We shouldn't allow MLA to get the 2+ million people that we can use to fuel our nation in research ans advancement of knowledge.
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>>1786624
Don't take this statement at face value, please.
>>1786616
>Rape cannot.
True.

More seriously, we should find out what Niner's actual motives are. Originally he was a regular Raider who killed the Fiends leader and took his position because of their rank challenging policy, maybe the MLA has the same thing.
I don't know about the rape part, we'd have to ask him if he thinks he's doing that or has some weird twisted logic that fulfills a fetish fantasy or something. Maybe he needs a therapist.
>>1785818
We do know that he seems mostly to be in it the drugs, from what he said about the Elder God's drugs or stuff they cook up.
So he'd in an integrated manner most likely be a casino or nightlife addict.
>>1786603
Plus, from what I can tell we're their moral compass so we should be able to guide them fairly well, assuming we can satisfy their base need for high levels of entertainment.

>>1786694
>>1786733
Nope. That breaks the balance of power and upsets things completely for us. Plus it'll involve some very bad news for the rest of the wastes.
>>1786754
>>1786755
>>1786762
Also, guys, remember how the Elder Gods and their cultists by default are fueled by blood sacrifices? Imagine how powerful and nightmarish they will be if we let them have a few million people.
>>1786776
Yep.

>>1786773
This deal is way too heavily in the MLA, more so than you think. Sacrifices are all they care about really. With it they don't need anything else, nearly.
I appreciate the idea, but let's hash things out a bit more after some more discussion with them and checking up on the other factions.

I think I might have an idea on how to make the MLA work.
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>>1786773
It doesn't sound hypothetical. And why would they not accept that deal. Lots of slaves and sacrifices.

By making a larger competition? With dark magic? I rather face the NCR on a straight fight than the MLA. You're the one who was saying how dangerous they are with their magic.

Slaves and sacrifices are power. Smart slaves, hardy slaves, 2 million sacrifices. That is a deal very much in the MLA favour.

And then the BOS fights the NCR. Why do you like the MLA so much? We're supposed to be better.

Expand east into the Mojave. We don't need the MLA. The NCR is not interested in finishing off the Legion, so we can take what we want.
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>>1786782
How? I'm thinking we leave get a tour of the tunnels, lay a fuck ton of bombs, and bring the entire network down on top of their heads.
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People here are getting way ahead of themselves in terms of what is being proposed. I like the idea of striking a deal with the MLA to have them attack from a different position or somewhere the doesn't lead directly to us. We can let the story progress a little to see what he offers what they are capable etc. Then we can take our alien scout ship and consult ZAX to search for a possible route for the MLA to take for a suprise attack. The attack will start and we'll leak information about the other's battle plans to keep the balance.
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>>1785157
My mental 5 turn outline was derailed because of recent MLA events.
>>1786545
>>1786570
Also my previous one for the MLA, thanks to Niner being kind of a bro or helpful.

>>1786799
That's a pretty good if direct route. Mine's more I guess, involved.

>>1786720
As Niner explicitly said to us, and has worked for other Raider groups in the past, they work on a rank challenge or Klingon Promotion system. This means whoever we kill within the rules of that system, we take the spot of, or can push a demand to get our shit back.
We check up with the cultists and any other MLA information booths or kiosks, if they have something like that, and see how the rules of their society and hierarchy works. What it takes for us to get our shit back and advance. It's most likely pretty simple and just what I mentioned.

We get Niner to vouch for us, be our champion, support our claim to be another MLA warlord, or we be his champion depending on how that works.
Get Niner and other inside contacts to give us as much info on our targets as possible.

We then proceed to go full on Quest mode, backed by support.
>>1786720
>There's Mr. Bishop.
After that, we then go straight up to Mr. Bishop, demand our motherfucking people back or we demand a trial by combat or duel, which we plan on wrecking him in.
We force him to accept by either the rules of their society, or by simply threatening war because he was a dick. We'll pin the blame on him and stuff in the threatening route and put it all over his head because a lot of devastation ahead could've easily been avoided.
We get our people back, then either we or Niner take his spot.
Rinse and repeat until we're at the top of the MLA food chain.

While we're doing this, we exert our influence to tear the rest of the MLA away from the Elder Gods, because fuck them. They have bad mojo and vibes and shit. Also you have to sell your soul to them to be included as a member, and sacrifice a shit-ton of souls or people to get any benefits.

>>1786836
Yeah. That's a good idea in line with my earlier plans.
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>>1786847
But how does that solve the problem of MLA in the Divide?
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>>1786847
>>1786853
Warlord status. We command them by that point.
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>>1786782
>Nope. That breaks the balance of power and upsets things completely for us. Plus it'll involve some very bad news for the rest of the wastes.
True but I'll be honest every other faction does too. The NCR will kill all tribals, the MLA enslaves and tortures and sacrifices, the Legion is the Legion and the BOS is the BOS.

To be frank none of them are morally right for the wastes.

>This deal is way too heavily in the MLA, more so than you think. Sacrifices are all they care about really. With it they don't need anything else, nearly.
I suppose.

>I appreciate the idea, but let's hash things out a bit more after some more discussion with them and checking up on the other factions.
Agreed, again this is just my general feeling that allying with the MLA for now is for the best since we need to get population and resources and they are a group who can supply us with both, provide land to expand to and are currently losing their war slightly and thus wouldn't upset the balance if they were empowered.

>I think I might have an idea on how to make the MLA work.
Let's hear it then.

>>1786793
>It doesn't sound hypothetical. And why would they not accept that deal. Lots of slaves and sacrifices.
That is the point of it, this is what we consider of equal value to that many sacrifices as they would be to them.

>By making a larger competition? With dark magic? I rather face the NCR on a straight fight than the MLA. You're the one who was saying how dangerous they are with their magic.
Because magic is an unknown. I can tell you how much stronger someone is based off the thickness of their armour or the calibre of their rifle but I can do fuck all with magic.

>Slaves and sacrifices are power. Smart slaves, hardy slaves, 2 million sacrifices. That is a deal very much in the MLA favour.
2 million sacrifices gets 20,000 below super-mutant strength super soldiers for the MLA if that one man we met is anything to go off of, so it's not that major when given the NCR's shit we could produce that many Securitrons per turn probably.

>And then the BOS fights the NCR. Why do you like the MLA so much? We're supposed to be better.
Because the MLA isn't performing genocide as strange as that concept may sound.

>Expand east into the Mojave. We don't need the MLA. The NCR is not interested in finishing off the Legion, so we can take what we want.
I suppose but I am just telling you that I feel we can rely on what the MLA is going to do much more so than the NCR. Seeing as we have good friends in their leadership.

>>1786799
Wouldn't work. For the size of bombs we could reasonably carry in if you want to hit many tunnels, we'd delay them a week or two at most.

>>1786836
Something like that. I still say renting out to them digging machines so they can tunnel more would be a good idea since it is a source of income for us, gets more use out of any mining robots we make and helps maintain the balance of power.
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>>1786856
They are Niner's men though. Warlord status doesn't mean dick over his men.
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>>1786575
>>1786720
>>1786853
>>1786856
Wait, which one's the Warlord in the Divide again? Niner, right?-
We can just work something out with him if that's the case.
>>1786864
Yeah. Niner's our bro. We can just work something out with him.
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>>1786847
Fact is our next dozen turns are going to look fairly standard in my opinion but we'll see how it goes.
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>>1786857
If magic is something to be feared, why are you suggesting making their magic stronger? nip the bud while we can, not give them 2 million sacrifices.

The 2000 marked men sacrifice was split among all the MLA. 2 million would mean he gets 1000 times stronger.

MLA would genocide the NCR, by raping and killing them all. Their Omnicidalm, which is worse than genocidal.

I'm saying we can't because if we let this happen, the MLA will be more powerful than we can deal with.
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>>1786871
We just tried that- He's not going for that.

And why do we want to keep the MLA alive anyways? their all murderers and rapists and demon worshipers.
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>>1786884
Of course. That's just for the Courier. Only duelists are needed there. Which, come to think about it, people like AXE MAN, Riddick, and such would be great for.
We don't need many people for the MLA legal conquer route, which is fortunate because we can't spare many.

>>1786890
He was bringing up a proposal for the sake of discussion, from the looks of it.

>>1786897
Either integrating through intense power, or as cannon fodder that we can decide on our own terms.
>We just tried that- He's not going for that.
Isn't that because we haven't actually proposed anything in exchange yet?
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>>1786908
But why support the MLA at all? What qualities do they have that is worth anything to us?
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>>1786897
>And why do we want to keep the MLA alive anyways? their all murderers and rapists and demon worshipers.
>>1786908
>Either integrating through intense power, or as cannon fodder that we can decide on our own terms.
>>1786913
Real talk. It's actually because of their military experience and, well, Raiding ability. If that's what their utility is.
The MLA is the cesspool of the worst, and somehow is a passive magnet for a bunch of people, we could use the dregs like that pop up from other wars instead of having to kill them all.

Also refugees. Remember how the NCR and Legion genocides drove otherwise normal people into the MLA's arms? We could use whatever immigration propaganda they're using to get those people, and direct them to our faction instead.
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>>1786908
Also, you assume the cultists won't turn everyone against us for hearesy or something. They see the future and make godly binding pacts. Might make being a warlord require selling our soul or something.
The MLA is a problem that must be removed, not suborned.
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>>1786923
That's a fair point. Which is why we need to talk some more about that first. That was an initial proposal from what we have so far.
We could also try figuring out the precog counters that stems from the Courier's whimsey and psionic protection for that sort of stuff.

>>1786923
>Also, you assume the cultists won't turn everyone against us for hearesy or something.
Then you'd have to wonder how many are bonafide cultists and not people like Niner who either needed it or took it for the benefits.
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>>1786921
Problem is if they joined up, they're participants, not refugees anymore. And we have robots for fodder. And we have superior military minds. And why would we raid?

We can use propagaanda to attract refugees now, we don't need to control the MLA for that.
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>>1786929
Well everyone else sold their soul, so their gonna remove us if we try anything that prevents them from gaining power. They also probably can't take back their souls.

Just wipe out the MLA. We don't need them and they don't get us anything worth being involved with their filth.
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>>1786931
>And why would we raid?
Not raid in-and-of itself. Guerrilla warfare and asymmetrical warfare. They've been managing with a bunch of scrap and shit to hold off the NCR. They even proved to actually do decently against our robots.

>We can use propagaanda to attract refugees now, we don't need to control the MLA for that.
Right. But at the moment it's split between the MLA and other factions. I don't plan on keeping the MLA by itself around after we win them over, more like take what we want without having to go to war with them.

This would be much easier or effective than having to do a conventional war after all.

>>1786935
Okay, then I have another plan for that, but we're seriously missing out on stuff if we don't at least check up on the conditions first.
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Are we all in agreement at least to see what it would take to move the MLA somewhere else that's not the divide Similar to >>1786836 anons post?

I feel were just in a circular argument that's not getting us very far.
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=>>1786940
Yeah. It's Niner, we can work something out.
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>>1786940
Yeah. Get them out of the divide however possible for now. Later we can decide about exterminating them.
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>>1786940
Supporting this.

We should suggest that they attack the NCR's forests and fuel infrastructure. That would have a stronger impact than just a counterattack against their fortified frontline. With less fuel, their airforce would be less of a threat and they could raid the north more easily.

That would get them out of the Divide.
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>>1786940
>>1786942
>>1786943
Where are you going to suggest they attack from?
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>>1786946
Can we get a map or relative position of forces right now? I'm not sure what we're looking at.
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>>1786940
I can at the very least agree to seeing what it'd take to get the MLA to not launch their offensive from here.

If it's a matter of not wanting to dig more tunnels, we rent out our advanced mining / tunnelling machines to them so they can at least exit their tunnels away from our shit.

If it's a matter of the Divide being a functional barrier to NCR counter attacks, maybe we can negotiate for them to delay the attack from here or something.

If it's just a matter of it being possible, we can see what is possible: what they will give us and what we would need to give up.


Main point is we aren't going to go to war right now and might even end up not forcing them out of the Divide.
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>>1786948
Lemme work on one real quick.
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>>1786946
Take out the trees take out the NCR fuel
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>>1786946
The north, at the forests. Build a tunnel network under the trees, and they won't find you or be able to attack you.
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>>1786946
This is all OOC
A) We could build them a teleporter pad, charge them a fee, and poof them wherever they want. Similar to a toll booth. Let them pick their target and use the couriers Portaltransponder to go an build it.

B) Send them north to fuck up the Miracle Trees

Those are the only options I could think of, Its late. Im sure ill come up with something decent at some point when its too late to matter.
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>>1786966
>>1786953
QM's going to give us a map, so there might be more.
Nice suggestion with the transponders though, if incredibly expensive.
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>>1786946
>>1786024
>>1786945
>Niner
"Forests? All that way? That's hundreds of miles away from the Front. I don't know if the Legion could hold out that long.

Sure would cut off their fuel, but then we'd be in a bad spot. We don't get any good tunnel networks in there or sufficient forest cover, and they'll bomb us to hell man.

My forces are better for attacking and counter attacking, using captured weapons and ammo. Holding territory isn't our thing.

Though, maybe if you were to give us a hand it might be possible. But that's a really big gamble man. I don't think we could do it on our own."
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>>1786993
Set the forest on fire. You don't need to hold it, just destroy it. That's more you're speed.
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>>1786931
>>1786939
Also, just so you know, the MLA has vastly more manpower in general that we don't have. We could use that for really menial shit like salvaging, because we don't have enough salvagers.
Also we might be able to ask them for a favor in return to help us conquer strategic areas like the Hoover Dam that they don't care about, so we don't have to wait to do it ourselves.

>>1786993
"Say, Niner. How much manpower do you have. How good are they at doing menial shit like salvaging? If you could help us salvage, get resources, or simply divert it from the MLA or your stockpiles already, we could speed up the timetable on that much sooner than you'd think. Which means you'd have more time to then get your other stuff or really grab the NCR by the balls. Win-win."

"How much time does the Legion have?"

>>1787002
They still need to get there, that's the thing.
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OOC
do we tell him about teleporting shenanigans or no? Would get his army in an out fast enough, but as anon pointed out, its expensive to make.
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>>1786993
"Bishop already cut off their forests to the northeast in New Idaho though they're fighting real hard to do it.

Legion to the northwest have been driven back and had to give up New Washington and high tail it to Canada, though they're trying to mount counter attacks."

>>1787002
"We don't got the fuel for that. We'd need flamethrowers. Big damn flamethrowers. Or some kind of large energy weapon."
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>>1787005
>>1786970
That and it's sort of a trade secrets of ours.
We'd get more if they helped us get resources for stuff on a loan.

>>1787007
>"We don't got the fuel for that. We'd need flamethrowers. Big damn flamethrowers. Or some kind of large energy weapon."
"What about a big artillery piece?"
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>>1787004
Salvage bots. Any jobs that need random scumbags can be mechanized.

>>1787007
We'll make some firebombs. You pay us, then go burn down the woods.
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>>1787011
"We'd need to make them fast or get some really extensive tunnel networks there which don't exist mate."
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>>1787004
One idea would be to get the MLA to allow us to salvage, farm, sell and otherwise perform economic work in their lands. Effectively letting us focus purely on that in their region.

Honestly however we just need to get a few colonies up and running across the US. They can passively expand and we can focus on getting a good presence in Utah and then building up industries and a army there. Which we can then use to take control of the Legion lands in the region and then all the way to NV to link up to our teleported task force.


>>1786993
"Would you be able to hold your own or even advance against the Legion if we were to take it out?"


Lads this is what we are good at. Small tactical raids and that sort of thing.

Riddick flies the Scout ship, burns down the forest while we go as the Courier and check up on the NV area and figure out what is still there or if the Legion have lost control.


>>1787005
Actually those wouldn't help since they need a large amount of power.
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>>1787007
>Or some kind of large energy weapon."
OOC - Reverse Engineer the Alien ship heat ray?
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>>1787028
>Salvage bots. Any jobs that need random scumbags can be mechanized.
Of course, but we don't have them now do we? We need them to get the shit for us so we can then deal with them more easily, unless you want to wait a good while.
Manpower or robotpower, same thing.

>>1787037
Alternatively, copy the disintegrator tank that we blew up earlier because we didn't want to lose all our shit to the Berserker AIs.
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>>1787035
We would hear from the NCR if they took New Vegas. Keep in mind The vision. NCR is slow rolling this. Could take a decade for the Legion to fall.

I still don't see any reason to letting the MLA survive. They're working to empower a dark god that will kill us all, are generally terrible people, and can't provide us anything we can't get ourselves, whether it is labour or resources.
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>>1787028
"If you can get us big enough bombs. Woudn't happen to have any Nukes would you?

But even then, if this works, we deprive the NCR of fuel for a bit. That doesn't stop their big giant spearhead trying to kill the Legion.

What if they do manage to knock the Legion out of the war? That would be bad for us, we're trying to stop it."
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>>1787047
That works to
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>>1787050
Yes it does. If the spear head runs out of fuel, they die. They would stay put if their fuel sources were crippled. And it's a forest, just need enough numbers and a dry enough month.
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>>1787047
We can build them with Divide steel. We have more than enough material to build up a good amount of scavengers and soldiers and such.
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>>1787050
>But even then, if this works, we deprive the NCR of fuel for a bit. That doesn't stop their big giant spearhead trying to kill the Legion.
"But fuel. How much of a surplus do they have anyways?"

>"If you can get us big enough bombs. Woudn't happen to have any Nukes would you?
"We can get a lot of stuff, and have some stuff. Just depends on what we'd want to go for."

>>1787004
Also this.

>>1787068
That's in-character, right?
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>>1787076
yes.
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>>1787076
"Hell if I know, we've been stealing their gas and it hasn't stopped em.

Don't even know how big the forests are. What if they're like, really really big?"
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"And I still don't got a solution on how we can dig a tunnel so quickly. It took us fucking years man to just get to the Divide. The forests are almost twice that distance away. I think. "
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>>1787085
Just burn the fire down when it's really windy and dry.

Axeman also is still alive axing things Niner.
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>>1787074
Material, yes, but can we collect it fast enough for our purposes?
To put it into simpler terms, think of how we're using the MLA as really deplorable, quick-and-dirty outsourcing. How's that?

>>1787085
>Don't even know how big the forests are. What if they're like, really really big?"
"Couldn't we, well, get a map then? It's not like the NCR doesn't know how large their own forests are."
>"Hell if I know, we've been stealing their gas and it hasn't stopped em.
"That's because you've been raiding convoys, not the source. Convoys are like the little people."

>>1787094
"You'll see soon enough."

>>1787004
My answer depends on if they can answer this or not.
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>>1787094
You think Ive just been sitting on my ass all this time? Nah man, it'll ruin the surprise. You'll see soon enough.
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>>1787104
Scrappers would increase rate of resource gain, so once we get rolling, we're going to just keep going faster and faster.

I don't like buying from slave economies.
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>>1787049
>We would hear from the NCR if they took New Vegas. Keep in mind The vision. NCR is slow rolling this. Could take a decade for the Legion to fall.
True. We should honestly see about getting the forces we'd need to take it over. 2000 Securitrons, 100 TACTs of various types (40 "front line" command, 20 artillery, 15/15 drone tenders and 10 computation hubs (the ones that are essentially just a box of brains to process shit)) and all that good stuff should be enough to blitz through but might not hold against the Legion.

>I still don't see any reason to letting the MLA survive. They're working to empower a dark god that will kill us all, are generally terrible people, and can't provide us anything we can't get ourselves, whether it is labour or resources.
We will eliminate them when they outlive their utility of distracting the NCR, providing a source of population / resources and slowing down the BOS.


Also the Scout ship can just burn down the northern forests without any problems. Seriously just point Riddick in the right direction and call it a day.
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>>1787119
Well duh. That's not the point.

You know the setup time for stuff like the reactors and solar towers though, right? How we'd be splitting our time between building all that stuff because of how few manpower we have?

>I don't like buying from slave economies.
You don't have to like it. We're not buying from them, we're having them help us so they can fuck off the Divide and we get some neat shit in the process. Right?
Also we're including all of Niner's men who aren't doing shit in this, because they'd be idling while we get to business.
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>>1787122
We won't need that much. Just double what we have right now. Train up more officers, and extract their brains, to get the TACTs, develop seargent level variants of the securitrons and bastions and we're good to go. Maybe some arial drones.

Yeah, but this gets the MLA out our land.
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>>1787122
>Seriously just point Riddick in the right direction and call it a day.
>>1787098
Riddick and AXEMAN, best fire starter combo.
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>>1787139
Actually TACTs are meant to be squad level, although "squad" is a bit of a misnomer since I always thought they should be much larger than the human ones since the idea was that humans were the scalpel / hammer and robots the anvil. As to the drones, we've got designs that'll be ideal for anti-legion work and could begin production immediate but we need more brains for efficiencies sake.

We also need to broach the whole "wiping Legion people's brains to make the ZAX and TACTs" thing with our people, companions and scientists.

>Yeah, but this gets the MLA out our land.
Hopefully. We can make use of the tunnels as a safer way to move shit to their cities for trade.

>>1787144
>Riddick and AXEMAN, best fire starter combo.
Essentially. Also two of our best melee fighters.
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>>1787236
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>>1787104
"Alright, well, get us map then!"

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"Okay, so this is what we got planned.

Our tunnel network extends roughly from the Divide to the Long 15, where we use the Road to travel to and from my base at Salt Lake City.

The NCR are attacking from the North, around the divide storms that tend to travel northwest along the mountains.

The Legion are meeting them from the South.

We were thinking of a Flanking Attack, attacking from their western flank. Of course we'd have to find them first, somehow those guys move so fast no one knows where they really are, but chances are we just have to wait until we start seeing them attack the Legion.

Of course, we were also thinking of attacking their major airbase somewhere here. We don't know exactly where it is but knocking it out would be a really big help."
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>>1787244

>>1787188
>>1787139
>>1787122
So I wonder, it's been confirmed in the battle that 1 of our units is equal to 10 marked men. I forget if it was the regular, hazard securitrons, bastions, or just units on average.
This ratio was also with the Marked Men having numerous advantages over us, which we quickly neutralized.
How much does that translate to the NCR?

>>1787188
>Actually TACTs are meant to be squad level, although "squad" is a bit of a misnomer since I always thought they should be much larger than the human ones since the idea was that humans were the scalpel / hammer and robots the anvil.
If I recall, because of brain concerns or other reasons, TACTs ended up to more platoon-level command, and Securitron squad-leaders would bypass the brain need.
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>>1787246
"Wow, that's actually pretty big."

"Which ones were the forest we considered tunneling to, and the one that was already cut-off?"
"What happens if we tried linking the two forces together?"

"How ready are your forces right now, are they still stockpiling and such? What are they doing?"
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>>1787274
Those forests aren't even on the map. The ones cut off are in Idaho near the Flooded City, formerly Boise, contested by the Bishop Clan. You aren't sure where the NCR's forests are.
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>>1787274
>"What happens if we tried linking the two forces together?"
"What a full on frontal attack? That ain't our style. Let the Legion have fun with that shit."

>"How ready are your forces right now, are they still stockpiling and such? What are they doing?"
"We're getting ready as fast as we can! Hopefully within a few months or at least the year."
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>>1787278
OOC Heres a thought.

Ask NCR for an embasy in the capital, build the teleporter pad in the embasy, Let the MLA Raid and loot?

If were straight fucking up the NCR and dont care if they know about it, I could see this as a oneshot.
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>>1787276
>>1787246
>>1787278
QM, is that you?

>>1787276
>Those forests aren't even on the map.
RIP.
>The ones cut off are in Idaho near the Flooded City, formerly Boise, contested by the Bishop Clan.
"How hotly contested is the cut-off area? How much do they need help?"

>"What a full on frontal attack? That ain't our style. Let the Legion have fun with that shit."
"No, not like that. I'm talking about surrounding them with the two forces."
"They think they're only dealing with one group of tunneling fuckers, when there's actually two or even more of tunneling fuckers right before they know it!"
"Chopping them up into even more little pieces, for an analogy."

>>1787278
>"We're getting ready as fast as we can! Hopefully within a few months or at least the year."
"Oh, what a shame. That does mean we have time while your forces are still getting ready, then."
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>>1787290
True. That's our trump card, really. Same would be for other factions, so it's a tough choice.
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>>1787246
"We know of a pre-war airbase and plane graveyard they are probably using still. We could match it up on the map and see if it checks out as the one you are talking about.

If so I can contact some of my allies and we could get a stealth team inserted to destroy shit and escape but we'd run the risk of being discovered. You'd need to compensate us for undertaking such a mission seeing as stealth assets are expensive to train and equip. Plus we risk the NCR retaliating if they find out."

>>1787253
>How much does that translate to the NCR?
The NCR have greater numbers, PA, armoured vehicles, air support, high (high) calibre automatic rifles and super soldiers.

They are fundamentally the same structure of forces however, so it at least implies we aren't tactically or strategically screwed yet.

>If I recall, because of brain concerns or other reasons, TACTs ended up to more platoon-level command, and Securitron squad-leaders would bypass the brain need.
Nah it's just a need for more of them seeing as currently all of our combat robots are controlled by 1 of them. I am advising the creation of another 39 which is a massive increase seeing as I only plan on increasing the number of bots under their command to 20 times it's current number.

This is of course ignoring the 30 air force and 15 artillery TACTs but these should mostly be capable of providing the needed computation power. Especially with the additional 10 computation hubs to brute force the issue as needed for ground troops, air forces or artillery. Admittedly this isn't accounting for non-combat robots like our construction ones but those would be a second wave sort of thing and I imagine don't require anywhere near as much raw power to perform the processing for them.
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>>1787294
>"How hotly contested is the cut-off area? How much do they need help?"
"For now Bishop has it under control, or so he says."

>"No, not like that. I'm talking about surrounding them with the two forces."
>"They think they're only dealing with one group of tunneling fuckers, when there's actually two or even more of tunneling fuckers right before they know it!"
>"Chopping them up into even more little pieces, for an analogy."
"That would be even better if we had some kind of air recon to know where they are, but yeah, encircling them instead of them encircling us is a great idea."
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>>1787305
>This is of course ignoring the 30 air force and 15 artillery TACTs but these should mostly be capable of providing the needed computation power.
To check, are these TACTs both air force or artillery, and TACTs, or are they TACTs for those types of units?

>"For now Bishop has it under control, or so he says."
"If we can free him up from there, then it means we could have him either help with the bigger objectives, or help with something on the side."
"Also we still want our people back from him, but that's for another time."

>"That would be even better if we had some kind of air recon to know where they are, but yeah, encircling them instead of them encircling us is a great idea."
"We can provide recon, but we'd be contested so we'd need help from forces like you to keep it discreet for us."
"Wouldn't want them to know about our little arrangements and try trampling over our buffer zones, now would we?"

"I've gotta ask, what's the name of your warband? Is it something fitting for your role and achievements like say, the 'Tunnel Snakes'?"
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>>1787362
"Well, heh, funny thing. Isn't it your fault the Flooded City fell to the NCR?"

>"We can provide recon, but we'd be contested so we'd need help from forces like you to keep it discreet for us."
"Not sure how we'd help with that but we'd try."

>"I've gotta ask, what's the name of your warband?"
"Well, I used the Fiends to get gasoline, weapons, and shit. Then we met up with the 80s and got real close. I challenged their boss to a motorcycle duel, he accepted. I uh, killed him. Completely on accident I swear, but that's how I became the new boss.

You know I sort of get why the Cult strongly discourages Warbosses having unsanctioned duels now. Bishop doesn't allow it."
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>>1787383
"Oh right, the name.

Yeah, most people call us the Fiendish 80s. Its a lot shorter than calling us the Fiends and the 80s"
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May pass out soon.

CHOOSE:
>More dialogue (offfer a solid deal, proposal?)
>Head somewhere into the city
>Leave the MLA
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>>1787427
>Other?
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>>1787383
>"Well, heh, funny thing. Isn't it your fault the Flooded City fell to the NCR?"
"Funny thing, yeah. Well we were getting paid for it and didn't know about it until we actually got there, so there's that. Fucking NCR not even giving their own allies intel."
"If you look to the NCR propaganda, they'll actually say they're the ones who won it and we were on the side, even though they were about to starve before we came along. We can turn it around just like before."
"Honestly if this happens I'd never thought I'd see the day where we'd switch sides a few times. Maybe we should get some beers for that."

>"Not sure how we'd help with that but we'd try."
"You know how you mentioned how you'd try clearing the skies a bit? When you do we can pop in with our recon for a bit and give some more juicy intel. Like their bathroom schedules."

>You know I sort of get why the Cult strongly discourages Warbosses having unsanctioned duels now. Bishop doesn't allow it."
"That's impressive, really."

>>1787395
"So what does your warband look like now?"

>>1787427
>>More dialogue (offfer a solid deal, proposal?)
>>1787004
So that's the actual decisive dialogue.
"We could use some more hands or resources, could you spare some or help us out with getting it? All we need is the resources to get our plan going."
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>>1787427
Im in favour of more dialogue for us to hash out a deal.

But I think im passing out as well.
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>>1787438
Once he answers the last question, I can hash out a deal for us.
We'll say it's tentative if you guys want to check it later and change it.
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>>1787427
>>>More dialogue (offfer a solid deal, proposal?)

>>1787438
>>1787443
Let's think of a the deal, so when OP comes back we have something most anons can accept.
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Ok guys how about we dig tunnels not just to the forrest, but under military bases, that air field Niner was talking about, towns, cities, etc. (Not so much that it will completely screw over the NCR, but to areas that are hotly contested and would damage the NCR war effort). We research some sort of radar/sonar or whatever device to locate where we are and at the same time cloak our diggers with some other stealth tech to prevent detection and then have the MLA do a simultaneous ambush on all of those locations just like that night in Vegas. Have any suggestions to add?
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>>1787456
We don't want to screw with the NCR too much. And that night in Vegas was a disaster and shouldn't be an example of anything.
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>>1787469
Yeah I know. That's why I said avoid places of super importance and just the hotly contested ones. Force the NCR to fight back for lost progress.
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>>1787427
>>1787438
>>1787443
>>1787450
>>1787456
>>1787469
>>1787473
Sounds good. Here's my ideas for a deal:

>>1787433
We form an informal, secret alliance with the Fiendish 80 for our purposes of bamboozling the NCR.
Once the Fiendish 80 has the means to, they are to relocate from their Divide base to one of the other designated areas for the purposes of retaining our buffer zone from the NCR and non-aggression pact for negotiations.

The Fiendish 80 helps us gather or send resources for drilling equipment that we'll give on a loan. Good ones at that.

The Fiendish 80 helps protects our borders where we're gathering resources in the meantime, to keep our arrangements discreet and avoid others from taking our loot. We'll offer the Fiendish 80 intel on threats around our gathering resources area.
The Fiendish 80, if possible, starts the anti-air and detection buildup campaign to serve as a cover for our forces once we start. Any areas they manage to secure enough we'll then augment with our own intel gathering capabilities.

We keep in contact with them on plans over secured channels.
Our recommendation to the Fiendish 80 is to relieve the forces at the Sunken City to then go elsewhere. They will do so in an ambushing or encircling offensive thanks to our aid.

We'll supply the Fiendish 80 some better gear if they then provide us with additional loot they're not using. If the Fiendish 80 helps secure for us some power generators, like the Hoover Dam, discreetly, we'll then reward them handsomely with intel and even better equipment. Equipment like actually decent armor and weapons not made up of scraps. We'll disguise said armor to look like something the Fiendish 80 could plausibly get.

If the Fiendish 80 provides us an in into the MLA and ability to cooperate with the other MLA warbands, then they can expect some more goodies.

Basically we, the PCA, will be the USA to the Fiendish 80's Britain and Legion's Russia versus the NCR's Germany.
Wait, shit. What the fuck?
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>>1787433
>>1787427
>>1787482
Also, most of this deal hinges on whether they can get their souls back or not. How much they're stuck with the cult and stuff.
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>>1787482
Just a quick post, before I go into details. Helping the MLA too much.

Now to write the longer post
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>>1787430
"Niner, say I am able to dig tunnels under
various important NCR installations, do you think your men can perform simultaneous raids and assaults to cause as much damage and chaos as possible like that night at Vegas? Granted I won't be able to go too far in NCR territory, but in the airbase you talked about perhaps some military bases...what do you think?"
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>>1787490
Probably, yeah. That's just the idea of it.
We'll cut back on support depending on how well they actually end up doing.
Most of this deal is aiming for us to get some good shit.

Personally I think the MLA only cares about the tunnels for most of the deal.
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>>1787496
>>1787482
Actually I think we can cut out the parts where we offer any equipment besides the loans. The intel, advice, and tunnels are what they mostly care about.
If we could, say, get them to go for the power generators and scrapyards first for us, then that might make matters easier for the rest of the deal.
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I have a question right now since I came into this thread. Why in the literal fuck are we negotiating with the Cthulhu worshiping band of raiders? They're gonna fuck us you know, and not in a good way.

Fucking hell it feels like we're pathetic, we have goddamn super science and we STILL CAN'T GET AHEAD. You know what? Let's summon Nodens to kill every last one of these degenerate fuckers, let not a SINGLE ONE of them live to see another day.

Jesus Christ
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>>1787522
Because we don't have enough resources in our industry at the moment to make enough use of it. That's about it. We just need to shovel more scrap metal and electricity at the problem.

>>1787522
>Let's summon Nodens to kill every last one of these degenerate fuckers, let not a SINGLE ONE of them live to see another day.
If we knew of a way to summon a god besides the Elder Gods, then we'd do that. As far as we know we only have psychic bullshit to work with.

How long have you been following the quest for?
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>>1787522
Hey Chaos, I saw you in the other thread with the horses.

To answer your question, most of us don't want to help them. It's more like don't fuck with us, and we don't fuck with you yet.
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>>1787522
Nazis versus Cthulhu worshippers. Don't you want to see them fight?
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>>1787537
Yes
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>>1787540
I feel like I should find a better way for these pasting errors.
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>>1787522
I don't want to, but people think we can't push them out of the divide. It would be hard, but I think we can manage it.

I prefer the Nazis over the cthullu rapists.
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>>1787540
>Horses? You mean the quest thread or another quest?
I didn't say the name since you know this is the fallout thread.
Loser in Westeros
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>>1787543
Repasted, because I don't proofread enough.

>>1787529
>Hey Chaos, I saw you in the other thread with the horses.
Horses? You mean the quest thread or another quest?

>To answer your question, most of us don't want to help them. It's more like don't fuck with us, and we don't fuck with you yet.
This is true. Also we're not dealing with the MLA in its entirety, we're dealing with one of their warbands who happens to be our bro who ended up with the MLA, somehow. So this is a bit of a special case.

>>1787537
Damn, that sounds way cooler when you put it like that. Also we have Roman revivalists on one side, and us, soon to be the Cybrans on another.
>>1787539
How much popcorn should we bring?

>>1787544
We could, just at heavy costs. It'd be better sending them somewhere else to die.
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>>1787547
>Loser in Westeros
Oh, that. Isn't he namefagging on multiple quests though?
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>>1787525

>How long have you been following the quest for?

I try to read through whole threads but just end up reading summaries. Mostly because threads are around 85-90% anons planning and the like and the other 15-10% is FQM himself.

>>1787529

So armistice? Fair enough, though the way I'm seeing it it'll be one where the both of us are paranoid about getting backstabbed and trying to do it first.

>>1787537

When you put it that way, I do now.

>>1787549

>Damn, that sounds way cooler when you put it like that. Also we have Roman revivalists on one side, and us, soon to be the Cybrans on another.

Also an alien rapist and an asshole with holograms and nigh-invincible quarantine suit wearing assholes that need to be dismembered in order to die. Also on our side are the Chinese and the Flood

>How much popcorn should we bring

As much as we can

>>1787553

I have a compulsion to show up in any quest I can
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>>1787553
Yes, I see his namefag everywhere. So I should say, I don't like his name. Should only be Mcsirman. But anyone can namefag his name since he doesn't have a trip
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>>1787559
>I try to read through whole threads but just end up reading summaries.
>I have a compulsion to show up in any quest I can
>>1784694
Ah. Good to have you here Chaos. I was wondering when you'd show up, if ever. Guess it only took 24 threads, huh?

>Mostly because threads are around 85-90% anons planning and the like and the other 15-10% is FQM himself.
Do you read the QM posts by searching for his name or ID? I'd suggest you do that if you haven't already to make binge reading easier.

>When you put it that way, I do now.
>As much as we can
Come on and watch the fight, the PCA has front row seats!

>So armistice?
Kind of. It's a non-aggression pact for the most part. We're trying to get them to relocate somewhere else that isn't where our shit is, but where our enemies' shit is.
We're also thinking of hiring them to get some shit for us, on the down low. Which is mostly just scrap metal, power generators, and fissile materials you could find in salvaging sites.

>Fair enough, though the way I'm seeing it it'll be one where the both of us are paranoid about getting backstabbed and trying to do it first.
Not necessarily, the warboss of this warband was a buddy of ours before he ended up with them, so we might just give him a great way to go out if we end up killing him.

>>1787570
A wonder, really.
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>>1787559
an armistice, but we're also giving them shit to go away.
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>1787570

It shows my devotion to the Dark Gods. But I'll just abreviate my name as a compromise

>>1787580

>Ah. Good to have you here Chaos. I was wondering when you'd show up, if ever. Guess it only took 24 threads, huh?

Kept you waiting eh? Been in them before, not for long though

>Not necessarily, the warboss of this warband was a buddy of ours before he ended up with them, so we might just give him a great way to go out if we end up killing him.

Shit can change in a few years, besides with all this I'm not sure if we should just show him the color of his brains or recreate the end of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream on him

>>1787587

More of a bribe then
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Also I've come with an idea, but can we turn Cazador venom into a gas in some way?
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>>1787600
>It shows my devotion to the Dark Gods. But I'll just abreviate my name as a compromise
Which ones?

>Kept you waiting eh? Been in them before, not for long though
Heh, yeah. Nice to see a lurker unlurk.

>More of a bribe then
A fair bribe. They'll give us shit to then give them refined shit to go away, or they can just wait a while with thumbs up their asses.

>>1787612
Probably. We just haven't bothered with toxins yet. We've already researched 2/3 ways to deal with them safely, and only need 1/3, so we could start now.
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>>1787633

>Which ones?

All of them. Mainly Khorne and Slaanesh

>Heh, yeah. Nice to see a lurker unlurk.

Posted before, but not much. Mainly because my ideas for weapons would be shot down near immediately. I'm one of the anons who pushed for gassing the Legion out of Vegas
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>>1787642
>Mainly because my ideas for weapons would be shot down near immediately.
What weapon ideas?

>I'm one of the anons who pushed for gassing the Legion out of Vegas
I didn't voice my thoughts at the time because I was questing elsewhere.
I don't have too much of a problem with that, besides the civilian casualties involved. If it could be done on a battlefield with reasonable assurance it won't eventually affect civilians, then I'd be perfectly fine with that. Especially if we had a private cure or treatment for it.
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>>1787657

>What weapon ideas?

I proposed using locusts. I also have other ideas for WMDs

Bring back diseases like Smallpox and the Black Death, mix DNA together to make horrible nightmare creatures to toss at the enemy left right and center, Cazadeathclaws, have something to cause earthquakes for destroying buildings the enemy have, and my personal favorite idea for dealing with the MLA:

Give them etrophine

>
I don't have too much of a problem with that, besides the civilian casualties involved. If it could be done on a battlefield with reasonable assurance it won't eventually affect civilians, then I'd be perfectly fine with that. Especially if we had a private cure or treatment for it.

Alternate idea is copious amounts of tear gas and hallucinogenics to fuck up the enemy's perception while armies roll in and start putting down any bull in sight. I'm all for ruthless efficiency in plans, I don't take count of civilians because...well why should I? If they die, then they die
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>>1787633
Actually, if we get the universal replicator online, we can just break down the toxins as material.
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>>1787687
>I proposed using locusts. I also have other ideas for WMDs
>Bring back diseases like Smallpox and the Black Death, mix DNA together to make horrible nightmare creatures to toss at the enemy left right and center, Cazadeathclaws, have something to cause earthquakes for destroying buildings the enemy have, and my personal favorite idea for dealing with the MLA:
>Give them etrophine
So long as we actually have a way of dealing with them afterwards, and it's mostly restricted to our enemies, then I'm fine with it. So forts, battlefields, and stuff. If we don't, then a place we don't plan on visiitng for a good while.

>Alternate idea is copious amounts of tear gas and hallucinogenics to fuck up the enemy's perception while armies roll in and start putting down any bull in sight.
In civilian areas, that's perfectly fine. There's not much of a lethal effect to them. We could also use something like sleeping or laughing gas.

>I don't take count of civilians because...well why should I? If they die, then they die
Because they're civilians, we might want to integrate them later, it might be too cruel to them, or go against our ethics or reputation. There's lines even we draw.
At the very least, we give them a fair warning and acceptable means to get the hell out of dodge if we do something like this.

>>1787706
Yup. So something like that for dealing with toxins.
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>>1787711
Biological entities are near impossible to control.

and How does warnings work if the soldiers keep them from leaving though?
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Let's bring back horses, so we can be like the Huns and ride throughout the waste.
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>>1787717
>Biological entities are near impossible to control.
So yeah, that'd be a problem. If we can't get a treatment or cure for them that is.

>and How does warnings work if the soldiers keep them from leaving though?
Non-lethal gas, then use the soldiers that did so as fodder.
Alternatively we do more accurate lethal gassings on places we're sure has the most soldiers. At that point it's acceptable civilian casualties.
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>>1787522
I think the issue of balance could be solved by giving us more research actions per turn to reflect the fact that we are BigMT. Say, one for every doctor plus brains plus ZAX. This would allow development on many fronts while still limiting us by the lack of industry we have (1 building action). This would mean we could science up solutions for problems we are facing in short order, while keeping big projects, like the reactor, costly due to limited production speed, not us somehow not knowing how to make a decent reactor in under 10 years.

Also, fuck no we are not doing anything that allows the MLA to make new tunnels in which to hide when we start annihilating them. Spacedrugs are fine to trade and we would ideally get all our people back from the assholes but no large-scale support of them. Especially not digging machines.
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Fell asleep, catching up.


>>1787362
>To check, are these TACTs both air force or artillery, and TACTs, or are they TACTs for those types of units?
They aren't commanders of those types of units, they are those units thanks to the equipment they have mounted on to their frames.

>>1787522
Because we spent a huge amount of time securing the Divide and getting into a fight with them now would not only deny us the resources there but make us lose out on the chance to get some easy expansions, population and resources.

>>1787600
Not really, we get shit from them for the shit we are giving them, so it's not a bribe.

>>1787768
I would point out to you we could probably get a second construction action if we dedicated our auto-production, construction and civilian actions to producing them next turn. While also having our ZAX / Robotics research actions to refining the design (making it construct better), the production method (both of the robot and the factory) and shit so we can make more per turn.

Meanwhile we go with our military to continue conquering the Divide. Specifically the bit that leads to the Legion / NV region so we can get ready to invade them as well as possibly creating some sort of stealthed robots to kidnap people for de-braining.
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>>1787768
>Spacedrugs are fine to trade and we would ideally get all our people back from the assholes but no large-scale support of them. Especially not digging machines.
But we're giving them it on a loan so they'd get the fuck off the Divide. Do you have any better ideas?
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>>1787994
This. It means we have more reason to produce them, they get used when we don't need them (while earning us shit) and the MLA becomes more dependent on us.

Not to mention the benefit of digging the tunnels: we can record every tunnel we dig and thus know where most of their shit is in that regard.
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If you guys want more research consider what gives you free research now.

You have a free ZAX action because the ZAX's are that damn good.

You have a free robotics action because Big MT specializes in robotic, you have a robotics research factiliy and a robotics factory plus the Genius of Dr. 0 and the ZAX focus on robotics.

Think about Big MT's other strengths, compound it.

In general this works on other goals you want to. You get a return for serious investment
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What the fuck has happened? I read tidbits about giving the MLA driller vehicles and Niner having our missing soldier.
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>>1787433
>"Honestly if this happens I'd never thought I'd see the day where we'd switch sides a few times. Maybe we should get some beers for that."
"Now you're thinking like a Raider!

Don't worry though, I'm your friend. Just don't go up against the Great Elder One or try to attack the MLA seriously okay?"

>"You know how you mentioned how you'd try clearing the skies a bit?"
"I don't remember saying that mate. Hell, we have a fucking hard time running away from their bombers.

We try getting some radar vans up and a coupe of AA and fuck we even attempt to shoot em down with rockets but thats so inaccurate. Tesla Works good but thats only if they get close.

If only we had something more powerful, like a stronger power source for the Tesla and a way to direct it. Or some rockets that could track air targets."

>"So what does your warband look like now?"
"All the clans have their own specialty see? The Bishops were foot soldiers and 'gorilla' fighters, but they tried to get into using Rocket Buggies and big damn vehicles but you blew up a lot of them so they're rebuiding.

Me? I prefer the tried and true. Good old motorcycles and trucks packed with some of the baddest assholes in the wasteland. The 80s bring in the expert drivers and skills at motor fighting, the fiends bring in the killing power and hand to hand killing NCR skills they learned in the Mojave and from our raids. I use some of the skills you taught me when we were fighting together.

Plus I got some damn fine new captains who did a real favor for me, I can't tell you now, but we're cooking up something really nice for the NCR thanks to them. They're out on the job actually.

Add in some help from the Cult and whatever outcasts and assorted help we can get, a couple of deathclaws here and a few supermutants there plus some tribal assassins and we're damn good."

>"We could use some more hands or resources, could you spare some or help us out with getting it? All we need is the resources to get our plan going."
"Damn man I'm just trying to rush moving my shit through the tunnels right now.

You're the guy with the robots and the robot factory. Just build more scav robots man! Do like the Brotherhood does and build robots that make more robots on the field."
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>>1788102
So basically lets just give them a tunneler so they leave the divide and never associate ourselves with them again.
They are not helpful and they're continued existence is a blight on the face of the earth.
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>>1788102
>You're the guy with the robots and the robot factory. Just build more scav robots man! Do like the Brotherhood does and build robots that make more robots on the field.
Speaking of building robots on the field, those robots aren't as good as factory built robots if i recall correctly. However, before we had the robot factory we were building robots with just some replicators, is it possible to build a mobile replicator to make parts for assembly in the field?
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_construction_vehicle_(Tiberium_Wars)
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>>1788106
"The Brotherhood have been using robots for like 80 years man. They are god damn scary good at it.

Maybe you could steal or copy some of their designs yo. My focus is on the western front, but there's some Warlords battling it out in the east."
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>>1788106
>>1788109
That wasn't a in-character question QM, that was for you.
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>>1788111
Oops.

>>1788106
Yes you can research those.
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>>1788102
>You're the guy with the robots and the robot factory. Just build more scav robots man! Do like the Brotherhood does and build robots that make more robots on the field."
"We already have that sort of shit, we just want to do it even faster. Plus we can compensate you for the metal seeing as we could turn a portion of it into weapons and shit."

>>1788105
That is foolish. We can take advantage of their existence to gain population and resources while we expand. Turning against them can happen later especially since we need to focus on industry so we can start snowballing.

Anyhow they'll be leaving the Divide once we've got the Tunneller robot rent deal settled and once we go and take care of the NCR's fuel forests, they'll start making lots of progress elsewhere and will probably leave us and our region alone for the most part. Then we can get them to charge through from here whenever we want to turn on the NCR.


>>1788109
"Speaking of copying designs, who would I need to speak to about those drugs you guys are taking? I presume you have some for combat and that we could make them?

Also a point I feel I should make: my people are great at reverse engineering and shit, so if you get some salvage that is particularly interesting or discover a pre-war military base or something I'd ask you inform me. Then I can get some people out to figure that shit out and maybe even begin production or something."
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>>1787995
Yeah.
We get them to help secure resource and power sites for us, and take their junk, we'll help get them some of the drillers on loan.

>>1788099
>I read tidbits about giving the MLA driller vehicles
Mostly to get them to fuck off, yes.
>Niner having our missing soldier.
Babysitting. Mr. Bishop from the Flooded City captured then sold them to the Cult, so we have to deal with those two groups to get them back.

>>1788102
>Just don't go up against the Great Elder One or try to attack the MLA seriously okay?"
"Is the Great Elder One a physical entity, or is he mostly ethereal or spiritual? How powerful are his cultists, like the witches?"
"We should still get your soul back though, from what we've seen with the Marked Men, it might complicate matters in the future if we're trying to keep things discreet. Like not being seen by a big psychic eyeball, and broadcasting that to everyone."
"Does the Great Elder One have the ability to monitor anyone who sells their soul to him?"

>or try to attack the MLA seriously okay?"
"Yeah. We weren't planning on doing so. We mostly just want our people back and keeping up the pretense we're not working with you folks."

>"I don't remember saying that mate. Hell, we have a fucking hard time running away from their bombers.
>>1786021
"Darn. So that was an optimistic hope, then."

>Good old motorcycles and trucks packed with some of the baddest assholes in the wasteland.
"Nice. We should try motor racing sometime."

>Do like the Brotherhood does and build robots that make more robots on the field."
>The Brotherhood is already doing what we're doing.
focking wot, m8?

>>1788105
>So basically lets just give them a tunneler so they leave the divide and never associate ourselves with them again.
Possibly, I'm leaning more heavily towards it now that we know they're not as useful as we might've thought.
>They are not helpful
Recent intel seems to point towards that direction, yeah.
>and they're continued existence is a blight on the face of the earth.
No contest there.

>>1788106
>Speaking of building robots on the field, those robots aren't as good as factory built robots if i recall correctly.
They aren't. It's mostly because of RIG'D that they're as good as they are. Junk Bots are the quick and dirty solution when we can't afford to wait.
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>>1788115
>Yes you can research those.
Alright! And they will build factory robots correct?
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>>1788121
The ZAX will start with preliminary designs.
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>>1788106
>>1788121
>>1788124
YES! Damn this would be great! Easily setting up mobile bases and infrastructure and shit. Would be perfect for the Utah and stuff.
Even better, since the Chinese are using Command & Conquer technology, and are explicitly doing so with those Chinese Bulldozers mentioned a few times, we could combine the two aspects for even better production and research. Get our buddies in on this.
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>>1788128
Now all we need is the cold / hot / mass fusion reactors and we can make it truly insane by mounting it on a medium tank sized platform. As is, I'd expect something like this to be about the size of a giant robo-scorpion. Assuming we are talking about it gathering some portion of the material as well.


Still this works very well with my long term plan of an endless robotic wave being our military's strength, to wear down our enemies through quite literally endless numbers.
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>>1788128
Yep, alright, i have a plan now.
1 Build the railway and get the second construction action.
2 Build the small reactor and dedicate it to constant metal generation, maybe build 3-6 Solar towers later for more metal generation.
3 research shit like the mobile replicator, digger bots/vehicles, psychic guns(I believe the Hubs use radiation to cleance themselves, learning how they do that and turning it into a gun would be great to fight the elder god.)
3 expand into Utah as soon as the Mobile replicator and tunneler bots are built.
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Also, it should be time to wake another guy from the alien cryogenics.
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>>1788134
We have digger bots already, just need to produce a bunch of them.

>>1788135
Very true, I am thinking we should grab the music looking guy so we can do more culture shit. That or the farmer in case he can improve the efficiency of our farms.
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>>1788138
>We have digger bots already, just need to produce a bunch of them.
We do? What's their description?
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>>1788139
Ignoring our mining robots, there was the model we used to tunnel to the underground river.
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>>1788141
Wasn't that just a drill? I'm talking more like those mining bots we are using to mine hexcrete materials, but combat orientated too. Plus a few Vehicles like these ones.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Subterranean_APC
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Devil%27s_Tongue_subterranean_flame_tank
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>>1788145
Those would be nice in dealing with the MLA.
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>>1788148
Exactly why i wanna build them.
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>>1788102
>"Damn man I'm just trying to rush moving my shit through the tunnels right now.
"So I guess you won't be able to help much until you're ready? A shame."

>Just build more scav robots man!
"We could do that yeah, but we'd like to do it faster for the timetable you want. Extra help and that."
"While we're building the salvagers, would we able to gain your help in capturing some power generators from elsewhere? Like the Hoover Dam, Helios One, and other places? Doesn't really matter where, so long as we get it. It'll speed things up much more, and we'll only need to stay there long enough to plug ourselves in. I think that'd be more to your speed."
"Also maybe your help in capturing other salvaging sites, when we drain the Divide? In both scenarios we'd only need you to do some raids or divert their attention long enough for us to then roll in while you roll out."

>>1788128
Oh right. This reminds me, what's the Chinese doing now? They've had a lot of turns to do stuff. It doesn't seem like they've done much at the moment.

>>1788133
>>1788134
Sounds pretty good.

>>1788135
I thought we already awoke them all?
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>>1788153
The musician and the priest are still frozen. And maybe a farmer.
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>>1788153
>"Also maybe your help in capturing other salvaging sites, when we drain the Divide? In both scenarios we'd only need you to do some raids or divert their attention long enough for us to then roll in while you roll out."
Let's not do this, the Divide bases are pretty valuable and i don't want them to find out about the nukes
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>>1788160
Oh, no. I don't mean helping with draining the Divide, I mean after we drain the Divide. I want them to help us get the salvaging sites from places like the Boneyard and other junkyards.

>>1788102
>>1788153
>when we drain the Divide?
"After we drain the divide." I didn't notice that part.
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>>1788153
>"So I guess you won't be able to help much until you're ready? A shame."
"Nothing big.

Small raids, now, that's our specialty. Give us a convoy or a base to fuck and a means to get there, and we'll do what we do best."
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>>1788164
"I always wanted to try something like hitting the NCR with lots of small raids to cripple them. Blow up bridges, smash supply lines, raid warehouses, and burn down their big forest like you said. Hit em from a hundred different little places that all add up. I just wish I had more technology to make it happen."

>"While we're building the salvagers, would we able to gain your help in capturing some power generators from elsewhere?"
"I'll keep a lookout for places like that."
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>>1788145
Those would be useful but the MLA ain't planning on using the tunnelling vehicles for combat while we are renting them out to them. So such features would be wasted and cost more to develop.


Still it's something we can discuss.
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>>1788179
>Those would be useful but the MLA ain't planning on using the tunnelling vehicles for combat while we are renting them out to them. So such features would be wasted and cost more to develop.
Those are for us not for them, i don't even want to give them a tunneling vehicle but if i get outvoted please give them a cheap, downgraded one that they can't use against us.
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>>1788164
>>1788174
Okay, so I think we can work with something like this.
"So once we start expanding to hostile areas for resources, like other junkyards and power generators, and get you there, can we count on to start harassing them in advance so they're weakened when we arrived? Then cut-off from help by both of us, we deal the finishing blow while they're choking from your harassing attacks? Then we loot their shit?"
"That'll be the best way for us to work off of each other, while we're still building up. You work with the harassing speciality, we deal with the shock and finisher speciality in combat?"

"Are you okay with fighting any other faction besides the NCR and BoS, like the Legion if they happen to have stuff we want?"

>>1788160
The Fiendish 80 just sits nice and pretty, and as the other anon mentioned, doesn't get anywhere near anyplace valuable in the Divide in the meantime.

>>1788174
>"I always wanted to try something like hitting the NCR with lots of small raids to cripple them. Blow up bridges, smash supply lines, raid warehouses, and burn down their big forest like you said. Hit em from a hundred different little places that all add up. I just wish I had more technology to make it happen."
"That'd be great, but taking their shit sounds even better."

>"I'll keep a lookout for places like that."
"Thanks, mate. We'll appreciate it. If you, we might be able to dig up some more maps for that."

So when we perform our inevitable betrayal on the MLA, how big do you think our army should be?

>>1788181
>please give them a cheap, downgraded one that they can't use against us.
That's the plan. Plus it's easier for plausible deniability if it's sufficiently shitty.
Alternatively we could just give them all some really good shovels and hand-drills, if we wanted to.
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>>1788181
Fair enough we should develop something like that for personal use but currently we are talking about giving them a highly effective tunnel digger which we still control and they merely rent.

That way we can learn about their tunnel networks, distract them from attack via the Divide and get payed while doing it. Plus it subsidies the creation of more tunnelling robots until we have a need for them.
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>>1788191
>So when we perform our inevitable betrayal on the MLA, how big do you think our army should be?
It's not just about how big our army is, we must also consider how much metal we're mining and generating, what locations the enemy is occupying, what kind of robots we have and if they can properly counter the enemy.
Personally i think for the MLA we will need tunneler bots and vehicles with a focus on fighting infantry and junk vehicles supported by anti-psychich robots/weapons.
For the NCR i think we will need either mobile forces or mass numbers with a focus on anti-tank/vehicles and anti-air.
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>>1788195
>That way we can learn about their tunnel networks, distract them from attack via the Divide and get payed while doing it. Plus it subsidies the creation of more tunneling robots until we have a need for them.
Plus, we can make it a part of our agreement for tunneling intel and other stuff for helping them with something as important as this.
We're sort of forming a secret war council with the Fiendish 80, and they kind of need our help if they want to get anywhere, so we could use the insider information for better betrayals. It's like the spy shit we considered but never did, but we actually get paid this time.

>a highly effective tunnel digger which we still control and they merely rent.
As you mentioned, add override or remote controls and self-destruct options for us. Secret monitoring options and stuff.
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>>1788191
>"So once we start expanding to hostile areas for resources, like other junkyards and power generators, and get you there, can we count on to start harassing them in advance so they're weakened when we arrived? Then cut-off from help by both of us, we deal the finishing blow while they're choking from your harassing attacks? Then we loot their shit?"
"Just make sure the we part means 'we' okay mate? I gotta get something outta this too!"

>"Are you okay with fighting any other faction besides the NCR and BoS, like the Legion if they happen to have stuff we want?"
"If we can win against em and take their shit sure. I don't think attacking the Legion is a good idea though, we got a nice deal with em going on where we leave em alone and they leave us alone."

>"That'd be great, but taking their shit sounds even better."
"Don't have to tell me twice"
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>>1788223
>"Just make sure the we part means 'we' okay mate? I gotta get something outta this too!"
"True. What do you want when we loot? Personally and as a group? Alternatively if you don't want loot but stuff we make afterwards instead?"

>I don't think attacking the Legion is a good idea though, we got a nice deal with em going on where we leave em alone and they leave us alone."
"What sort of treaties does the MLA have going on? Do they have any trade ones?"

"Also, do you have any idea on how to make our involvement not seem like it's from our faction? Especially if we participate in battle?"
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>what do
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>>1788230
Let's leave and move on to next turn, i want to do shit.
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>>1788230
>>1788234
Can we get a secured, private connection to them so we don't have to travel all the way here next time?
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>>1788229
>"True. What do you want when we loot? Personally and as a group? Alternatively if you don't want loot but stuff we make afterwards instead?"
"Take it from experience man. You don't wanna do that shit ahead of time. Every time something comes up that ain't 'part of the deal' it always leads to trouble.

So let's decide that after we get the spoils."

>"What sort of treaties does the MLA have going on? Do they have any trade ones?"
"Sometimes.

Sometimes we trade with traders, and those traders get stuff from the Legion.

The NCR drove out a lot of the traders who refused to nationalize, they headed into Legion territory. Legion seems to treat them well I guess, let's em be free. We got a few of them with us too."

>"Also, do you have any idea on how to make our involvement not seem like it's from our faction? Especially if we participate in battle?"
"No idea mate. You were the ones with the big damn brains, maybe you can make it possible"

>>1788236
How do you intend to do it?

By underground Wire? By very long range Radio Encryption? By messenger bot?
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>>1788230
Are they pulling out of the divide to head for the forest? What is the current deal?
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QM, what do we need to do again to get a second construction action?
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>>1788243
You haven't negotiated one, they are staying the course.

>>1788246
Perhaps researching and building more Omni-bots, building more squads of Loaders, training more human engineers, getting an Engineerng Corps building up, more general construction vehicles, stuff like that.

You can delegate such tasks to the ZAX as a ZAX action or a civ/construction action.
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>>1788249
What are the metal prices for a Omibot and the Loader squads?
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>>1788223
Tell Niner to get the word out that we'd be willing to trade for any robot wrecks from BoS. We can offer drugs and weapons, maybe some special custom jobs too.

"Who else besides MLA is Brotherhood at war with?"

"Niner, you say that MLA is the go to place for the refugees, right? Is there a place where majority of them gather? Could I recruit them? I prefer normal folk, farmers and such, and educated people.
Barring that, I'd trade for slaves. Even if cult provides with some potent stuff, I think Jet would be still in demand, right?"
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>>1788251
Typically I have you use up a resource stockpile level to produce the most amount of robots with it based on your overall ability to produce.

If you wish to put your facilities into overdrive and don't care about depleting your stockpile immediately to produce vast sums of robots, say so.
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>>1788256
>maybe some special custom jobs too
What are custom jobs?
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>>1788230
Ask Niner for a map showing the current borders of MLA
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>>1788242
>>1788243
>>1788249
They're mostly getting ready for war. This means they won't be ready for a half year to a year, which is about 5-10 turns.

We'll have a secret alliance with the Fiendish 80, where we act as mercenaries or contractors to each other depending on the situation.

We can offer to act as a disposal and cleanup crew, like for biohazard sites, handling trash, and junkyards. God knows they need it from looking at their settlements. Either we do this as a service or we get paid a bit for dealing with their shit. Or in turn we just ask for the Fiendish 80 to keep us informed and have some minor favors to call upon.

We'll exchange intel with each other, they keep us an in with the MLA so we can get our people back from the MLA, give us general information on the factions, and let us trade some stuff. We'll give some more specific intel like battle plans when appropriate, or when we feel like the Fiendish 80 needs it.

We'll give them a tunneling machine or handheld tunneling equipment to anywhere that isn't our borders or the Divide, or places we might end up claiming later like Utah which we'll mention to the Fiendish 80.
For now, we'll tell them to go to the forests we talked about earlier.

Separately, we'll then check up on the NCR, Legion, and other factions for salvage and power generation sites. If, for whatever reason they won't agree to our terms and we decide we want it, we'll give a call to the Fiendish 80 to ready for some raids on that territory later so we can claim it afterwards.

We'll adjust our support for them as we feel is needed, mostly to maintain the balance of power. We can make some excuses and stuff about difficulties if we have to drop support. Beyond that we'll mostly leave each other alone.

>>1788256
>We can offer drugs and weapons, maybe some special custom jobs too.
He probably means custom items or weapons. Like Big Iron.
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>>1788260
For example upgrading weapons, armor, vehicles. Giving basic implants.

People coming with the wrecks will likely be individuals, so we ought to think what an 'adventurer' will want. Like, what did we deem important before we decided to found a nation.
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>>1788269
>Like, what did we deem important before we decided to found a nation.
Take all the custom and unique shit. Like Big Iron.
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>>1788269
Fuck no, no giving tech or implants.
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>>1788267
Concerning tunneling machines, we shouldn't give them tunneler bots. What we could do is to produce man operated machinery. Perhaps even make it deliberately look like it's scavenged...... Wait this gives me idea, just have riggd produce them from shit laying around.
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>>1788269
Just give them drugs. Like lots of fentanyl. If they overdose and kill themselves on it, no skin off our back.
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>>1788262
"Thats pretty hard to do. The Clans mostly govern their own territory. I can give you a rough outline, but nothing very specific."

>>1788256
"Brotherhood only cares about us, since a lot of our people are refugee's from them.

Hah. You think 'normal' folk tend to join us? No, 'normal' folk are like sheep that the Brotherhood and the NCR like to put blindfolds over.

We get Tribals, we get Criminals, we get Freebooters and Mutants and Ghouls and all sorts. You know why?

Because we're the most free faction out there. Not bound by NCR's laws or the Legion's Caesar but by the truest rule of nature, the one that governed all life since the beginning: rule of the strong!

Even all the others acknowledge it. The NCR calls it 'Right of Conquest', the Legion call it 'Pax per Bellum', the Brotherhood call it a 'Crusade'. They understand, but refute the truth. They're just a bunch of hypocrites that way.

Course, we often get those types as slaves whenever we raid the NCR or what.

Drugs I got plenty of, its weapons I need now. Good weapons. If you can get me some fancy weapons I'd request, I'll trade you for slaves and good robot bits."
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>>1788272
They are just basic implants widely available. No one said about giving tech, read better
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>>1788273
>>1788191
Yep. That's the plan. We want plausible deniability for both sides on where we got this equipment from, so make it the shittiest techy thing for the job.
Of course not tunneler bots, anything we can easily reign our control on and would plausibly be something a Raider could get.

>>1788267
>We'll give them a tunneling machine or handheld tunneling equipment to To clarify. That's on loan until they get off from our borders. It's still much better than what they'd have otherwise.
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>>1788278
We don't even know if they have access to these widely available implants, probably just junk implants that are inferior even to those basic ones, which means we are upgrading their cybernetics.
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>>1788278
Upgraded weapons, armour and vehicles are tech. We don't want to help these assholes any more than we need to.

>>1788275
So their basically just anarchists.
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>>1788275
"Oh and um, hey, bit of an awkward question but.

What happened to B- er, your Officers Brain? The docs said she didn't have one, just some melted piece of tech.

Can you like, do that to other slaves? That would be very popular here. I think we could pay for that."
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>>1788285
What do you mean its melted?
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>>1788285
"We took her brain."
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>>1788280
>>>1788267 (You)
>We'll give them a tunneling machine or handheld tunneling equipment to
To clarify. That's on loan until they get off from our borders. It's still much better than what they

Huh. It looked separated at the 4chan comment box.

>>1788275
>"Thats pretty hard to do. The Clans mostly govern their own territory. I can give you a rough outline, but nothing very specific."
"Better than nothing. We'd like to at least know if we might end up stepping on toes."

"What do you think about our faction?"

>>1788282
>So their basically just anarchists.
The worst kind, yeah.
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>>1788289
"Oh. Really? Well, can you take some other slaves Brains then?"

>>1788288
"Like, it got zapped and got melted, also burned up a little bit of her brain that was left in there too.

Made her act kind of like an Animal, so the Cult trained her."
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>>1788293
No.
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>>1788293
>"Oh. Really? Well, can you take some other slaves Brains then?"
"No, and i don't want to explain why."
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>>1788293
That explains a lot.
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>>1788275
What kind of guns do you need then?

"Come on Niner, I refuse to believe that 100% of people here are people like you and me. Don't you at least have some smart folks I could try to sway? Like doctors, mad scientists, mechanics. Maybe entertainers and people who manage them?"
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>>1788293
>"Oh. Really? Well, can you take some other slaves Brains then?"
"Sorry bud, but we only do this voluntarily. Also not for reasons you might think."

>"Like, it got zapped and got melted, also burned up a little bit of her brain that was left in there too.
>Made her act kind of like an Animal, so the Cult trained her."
"Huh. That explains things a bit. I thought she was abused until she ended up like that for a bit."
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>>1788297
>>1788296
"Oh. Okay then.

I hear the Bishops and a few of the other Clans are gonna try it out. I was hoping if you knew how we'd be the first ones, give us a lot of pull in with the other clans."
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>>1788302
"They're going to likely horrendously fail unless it's us. It's harder than you think."
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>>1788300
Why are we trying to acquire Mengeles? That' just going to piss our scientists off.
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>>1788293
Your looking for slaves that act like animals. I already have a good bit of those (the lobotomites) would you be interested in trading them for normal slaves that dont belong to the cult once this oath is released from me?
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>>1788300
"Hmmmm. I got some mad scientists around, couple of mad surgeons, mechanics and the like, they all call themselves 'mad' because that's what the NCR labeled them as.

But I need those guys man."

>>1788306
"That'd be nice. Yeah, I could use some. Get a head start on that research myself!"
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>>1788308
>>1788306
Ah... No. Let's not give them the means to do that.

We're only doing the voluntary, successful one. Not the destroy their brains one.
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>>1788304
"I dunno man. Somehow I hear Bishop is making it work. But maybe you're right."
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>>1788293
Oh... She was basically dead anyway then.

Why would that be popular?

>>1788296
>>1788297
Why not? We get free brains, they get mindless lobotomites
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>>1788306
Make sure to keep some lobotomites so we can transfer the Think tank brains into them and make them sane.
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>>1788306
No. Lets not help the MLA streamline their enslavement process.
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>>1788312
That doesn't work. Brains can only be connected to their original body.
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>>1788309
>>1788313
I'll join in on this no.
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>>1788311
We don't want to make them get completely animalistic slaves, we want ones we can eventually buy or free. Also it's just plain horrendous.

>Why would that be popular?
They're having human sex dolls, that's what they want.

>>1788313
Yeah.
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>>1788315
I though QM said we could.
Can you clarify QM?
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>>1788312
>>1788315
[INT 10] Though you think there may be a workaround. That or you just need more neuro research.
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>>1788318
If we can attach a brain to any body, we would have done so, no?
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>>1788308
"But can you get the word out to other MLA territories that I seek that kind of people. Like a recruitment ad?
You MLA folks are proud to be free, right? Let them choose themselves if they want to join.

Speaking of which. Do you know anything about the followers of the apocalypse?

Also, what kind of weapons are you looking for? "
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>>1788324
Recruiting MLA scientists is recruiting sadists and scumbags. Not worth it, and our followers would hate them.
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>>1788319
Do we need separate lab for that?
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>>1788322
>>1788319
So we apparently can, we just haven't gotten far enough yet.

>>1788311
>Why not? We get free brains, they get mindless lobotomites
>>1788317
We want to get free brains and people, not free brains and mindless lobotomites is the thing.

>>1788293
>>1788302
>>1788308
>>1788310
>>1788301
"To clarify. What sort of lobotomites do the MLA like Bishop want? What inspired them to want them?"
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>>1788324
"I'll see what I can do. You'll probably have to pay better than what the other clans are offering, they aren't keen on giving up some good smarties."

>"Do you know anything about the followers of the apocalypse?"
"I hear that a couple of them joined up with the MLA. Or were captured. Not sure which.

I think some of them were angry at the NCR and swore revenge. Others were captured in raids. Don't have any with me though."
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>>1788327
We will vet them first, of course. Some of them could be just folks not agreeing with NCR or BoS policy
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>>1788331
Reeeeee

WHAT KIND OF WEAPONS DO YOU WANT FOR TRADING SLAVES NINER
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>>1788330
"'Lobotomite' is that what they are called?

Well, there's two reasons. Or well, a couple really.

The first one is they fuck like animals. Now that's pretty hot, er, no offense. So it turns out a lot of people are into that, especially if they can do it to some pretty slaves they capture. Or as a means of punishment or revenge.

The other I think some of the clans feel like there's some combat tactics that can be applied here. They wanna make an army of 'crazies' that know no fear and fight like lunatics. Train em like attack dogs or maybe strap some bombs onto them.

Could make anyone into a crazy, even people who were shit at fighting or as slaves before."
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>>1788341
Yeah, no.
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>>1788324
>"Also, what kind of weapons are you looking for?"
"Anything that can fight Armor, Robots or Airplanes. Especially that last bit.

Would love to get a way to produce some kind of plane or tank tracking missile that a guy can fire. The Mechanics can make a few, but not nearly enough that we need.

A big energy weapon to shoot em out of the sky, now that would be perfect!"
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>>1788341
>Could make anyone into a crazy, even people who were shit at fighting or as slaves before.
>>1788336
And this is why we don't give them lobotomites anon.
Funny that i was thinking of doing the same thing to them when we go to war against them.
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>>1788348
Let's not give him any of that sort.
Just the tunneling equipment and drugs.
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>>1788341
>"'Lobotomite' is that what they are called?
"You could just call them debrained slaves, same thing."

Okay, fuck this. We're NOT going to give them this. Fuck any MLA who tries to forces us to. That's the sort of shit I draw the line at.

>>1788348
"Do you guys have any robots, junk robots, or recreational bots in your forces?"

>>1788352
>Funny that i was thinking of doing the same thing to them when we go to war against them.
This is what mad science does to you.
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>>1788348
>A big energy weapon to shoot em out of the sky, now that would be perfect!"
They're asking for a LAER, we are definitely not giving them that.
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>>1788358
>This is what mad science does to you.
Truly i have earned to be a part of the Think tank.
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>>1788348
>The Mechanics can make a few, but not nearly enough that we need.

Give me a sample of it and I'll see what I can do

[if we make these for them, we will make sure the tracking software cannot be used agains us]
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>>1788369
No, they have their own Mechanics/scientists that can disable that software so it's pointless.
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>>1788369
>>1788375
Solution: Add a Berserker virus that activates if they try to tamper with it.
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>>1788378
And give them access to berserk programing?
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We should visit slave pits and buy some slaves before leaving.

Also guys, we should get rid of bottlecaps, they are rapidly becoming useless
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>>1788383
Only in the NCR. Bottlecaps currently have value all across the Wasteland. We have no reason to dump them.
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>>1788383
Actually i'd rather keep them or make a special version for replicator use, since i recall some anons are planing to make civilian replicators and i like the idea.
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>>1788382
It'll self-destruct all the devices in a firey explosion before they can try.
>>1788364
We should get the Think Tank to come up with a Rube Goldberg plan.

Alternatively, just add a self-destruct feature if they tamper with it that also explodes any loaded munitions. Then add a small tracking beacon or remote control option for us to keep watch of.
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>>1788375
You really think they have people or facilities capable of cracking software made at big Mt with the help of ZAX?

And like the other guy said just add a failsafe that will blow up the missile.

Also make encryptions unique for each missile, so if they manage to crack one somehow, they won't be able to do that to any others
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>>1788394
>It'll self-destruct all the devices in a firey explosion before they can try.
You fool, do you not understand the MLA has MAD scientists? They'll find a way to prevent the self destruct.
They'll find a way.
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>>1788394
Or we can just not give them tech. That;s both easier and removes all the risk of screwing ourselves.
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>>1788402
Are you implying we go for the simpler solution? What do you take us for?

>>1788401
Clearly we should recruit them in that case, or give a special thank-you gift.
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>>1788369
"Here. This is a pristine version, this one can be carried by a man.

The Gun Runners make these. They mostly operate in the Legion, but we buy a few.

The mechanics tried to study how it works and managed to make a bigger bulkier kind using a lot of parts and jurry rigging. That version is so heavy only a Super Mutant can carry that so we also load it on trucks too or have several guys carry it."

He hands you what appears to be an Old World missile launcher, still with its American logo on it, but quite advanced. More than the normal missile launcher.
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>>1788272
All of our implants are pre-war grade currently. Chances are the MLA has a few people that can install them and shit.

The real benefit of us is having someone educated to the same degree as a pre-war doctor (if not better), working using clean medical equipment in a sterile operating theatre and that you'll be able to recover there and shit. Rather than some drugged out bone-saw wielding "doctor".

>>1788273
That is pointless. The reason we want to supply robots is because we can observe through them and the reason they'd want them is because they'd be more productive.

As to making them look scavenged. Just make them look pre-war and they'll assume the MLA scavenged them.

>>1788275
>Drugs I got plenty of, its weapons I need now. Good weapons. If you can get me some fancy weapons I'd request, I'll trade you for slaves and good robot bits."
"How about a Gatling laser that carries a Tesla effect?"

>>1788293
>"Like, it got zapped and got melted, also burned up a little bit of her brain that was left in there too."
Seems like we might be able to restore her after all, assuming we get her back.

>>1788394
>>1788399
Alternatively we just trust them to expend them against the NCR as fast as we sell them to the MLA. Since they'd have no reason not to use them and we can cut supply at any moment in time.
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>>1788331
What does Niner think of this plan:
>>1786836
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>>1788402
We're not giving the tech. They already have access to tracking missiles and can produce their own. They just don't have enough production capabilities.
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>>1788405
"Can we keep this missile launcher?"
This would be great for some vehicles i have in mind if we can add the ammo replication upgrade and a guidance system.
>>1788407
FUCK YOU WE ARE NOT GIVING THEM LAERS!
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Are you kidding me?? The fucking MLA now has lobotomization tech? Something IRL is projected to appear no sooner than next century. This is mind boggling. We are supposed to be the science powerhouse and some goddam idiots in fucking caves are doing it (or getting close). There may be whatever mad scientist they have but considering the fact that the brain removal process is something the old world had difficulty with (robobrain facility in F4, general lack of brains in jars where the body is still alive) I find it mindboggling.
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>>1788407
We're not giving them Weapons technology, especially not LAER weapons.
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>>1788411
Now you have a point if we just build the ones they already have and sell it to them, no upgrades from us.
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>>1788408
>>1788267
I was proposing something like that.

>>1788414
>We are supposed to be the science powerhouse and some goddam idiots in fucking caves are doing it (or getting close).
Clearly there's a mad Tony Stark amongst them.

>>1788411
Yeah, build things they already have in alrger quantities.
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>>1788414
>You
You yourself strongly doubt the MLA has super science anything. Everything is very crude here.

You do feel RIG'D would be happy here.

[INT 8]
Unless they've managed to kidnap some very intelligent scientists or found a ZAX or similarly fancy facility, it would be utterly impossible.

Or perhps they found a non-scientific way to do it, like mutation. Or psykers.
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>>1788405
Sweet. Free stuff.

>>1788407
>Alternatively we just trust them to expend them against the NCR as fast as we sell them to the MLA. Since they'd have no reason not to use them and we can cut supply at any moment in time.


Also this. Sometimes anon's paranoia is so fucking weird.
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>>1788427
I don't trust the anarchist satanists at all.
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>>1788405
"Can we also look at the bulkier version? That might be easier to mass produce."
Pretty neat we got them.
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>>1788421
>Clearly there's a mad Tony Stark amongst them.
Was considering making that pun. :)
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>>1788413
>>1788416
I know but I just want to see what he'd offer for something like that.

Also the fact we have no other advanced weapons worth mentioning to him since giving him Zetan technology is a terrible idea. Seriously if we'd done a bit more weapons research this'd be less of a problem thanks to the variety we'd have to offer.
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>>1788429
He gives you something much bigger and bulkier.

It's a big tube you could fit your head in, and there is literally a Computer Terminal welded to its side. Its definitely much bigger than the average man can carry, your own troops would find it bulky and a burden but would be capable of firing it.

The missile itself is a common missile with extra fuel cannisters attached to it, and quite surprisingly, something that looks like a very crude Pip-Boy.

"Took the mechanics ages to figure out how to make it work. Well, sometimes it works at least. They found a Robco Factory that makes pip-boys but they're like this super old kind that's shit for traveling, but they work great for guiding missiles using their map and altitude feature."
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>>1788439
Didn't we get a bunch of weapons from texas?
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>>1788405
>pic
>>1788428
This image makes me wonder, is the MLA the equivalent to ISIS?

>>1788427
>Sweet. Free stuff.
Yep. Maybe we should do the same for other weapons.

>Also this. Sometimes anon's paranoia is so fucking weird.
So long as it's stuff they could already make, it's fine.

>>1788439
We can still give him copies of quality conventional weapons but in high amounts.

>>1788444
Texas?

>>1788443
>They found a Robco Factory that makes pip-boys but they're like this super old kind that's shit for traveling, but they work great for guiding missiles using their map and altitude feature."
What the fuck, they found a GPS cache?

"Can we take both of these back to see which of these would be easier for us to mass produce? Then return with a deal?"
"How much of the pre-war or crude guiding missile launchers and guided missiles would you want? How much could you offer for that amount?"
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>>1788455
[Speech 60]

"Heh, we're friends mate. I'll give you these two as long as you need, just like old times.

But the rest I really need badly. I don't think I can just give away more. Maybe if I had a different way to target the skies."
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>>1788455
>Texas?
Yes, texas, the place with plant cultists and where we found Cain.
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>>1788455
Yes. But also, they are worse than ISIS.
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>>1788455
He doesn't need nor want conventional weapons. He wants good shit, specialised high power weapons.
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>>1786836
>I like the idea of striking a deal with the MLA to have them attack from a different position or somewhere the doesn't lead directly to us
"Well, if you can think of a better position tell me. This divide is perfect, hides us well, and we can choose to strike at the NCR's spearhead or their airfield. Maybe even both!

But find us a better route, and I'll consider it."
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>>1788458
>But the rest I really need badly. I don't think I can just give away more. Maybe if I had a different way to target the skies."
"That's fine. Thanks, this'll make matters easier."
>"How much of the pre-war or crude guiding missile launchers and guided missiles would you want? How much could you offer for that amount?"
"If we were to reverse-engineer those two then make some more copies to sell? What would you be willing to offer for more guided missile launchers and missiles?"

>>1788461
Oh that. I actually don't remember what we looted from that place before we left. I think the ZAX AIs and some other stuff.

>>1788308
>But I need those guys man."
"To keep things running, right? We could take them in exchange for offering our services, depending if those mad folk would work well with us."

>>1788464
Must be a new record.
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>>1788471
Before we found the ZAX AIs we found the BoS bunker with cain in it and some weapons.

Can we move on to next turn already?
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>>1788469
>>1788267
What would the Fiendish 80 think of this? The ones that we'd say in character that is.

Anyone else's thoughts on it?
>>1788482
I was waiting for some others to put their input on a proposal to the MLA.

>>1788242
>By underground Wire? By very long range Radio Encryption? By messenger bot?
Do they have any radios? We could just do the radio way.
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>>1788482
Ready whenever you guys are. Just say so.

>>1788487
If you want to use an encrypted radio you'll need to spend an action. Or you can just use low level encryption for free.

>"What would you be willing to offer for more guided missile launchers and missiles?"
"Oh HELL yes, you get me more of those I'll get you something nice.

What is it you want again? Slaves right?"
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>>1788489
Let's move on to next turn.
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>>1788489
>Ready whenever you guys are. Just say so.
So let's give him a proposal for now, or means to contact him again and then I think we're done here.

>If you want to use an encrypted radio you'll need to spend an action. Or you can just use low level encryption for free.
Messenger bots it is then.

>What is it you want again? Slaves right?"
Good slaves, mostly smart ones. Also tech or salvage.

>>1788491
Yeah, I think we got enough. I guess we'll return to get our people back in a bit.
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>>1788489
>What is it you want again? Slaves right?"
Slaves specifically educated ones, metal, fissile, tech scraps. More or less anything that can be used to make robots, develop new tech and shit.
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>>1788498
>"Good slaves, mostly smart ones. Also tech or salvage."
"You got it! Just get me my missiles, and I'll see what I can do."

Okay, writing the next turn.
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>>1788504
>"You got it! Just get me my missiles, and I'll see what I can do."
>inb4 we trade him a missile launcher and he shows up with a bunch of toilets.
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>>1788506
Have some faith, any how we can refuse to exchange if it comes down to it.
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We should definitely scout around when we get back to find a alternative route for the MLA to take.
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Hey QM, did we conquer our fear of heights after climbing out of that elevator shaft?
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>>1788524
A tiny bit.

You still hate flying, and falling is worse.
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>>1788489
It takes a MONTH for BigMT to come up with an encrypted signal that the NCR bozos wouldnt crack quickly? What even??
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>>1788537
What is "The NCR has a ZAX."?
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>>1788532
So what's it like for the Courier every time he flies or goes sky diving?

>>1788537
Truly the NCR are peerless geniuses.
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>>1788537
Well the safest thing to do would also be to produce and send the radios as well, with special self-destruct features and high level encryption.

Still even your low level stuff is good enough that someone like the the Legion or the MLA are probably never going to crack it. It's people like the BoS and the NCR you might be concerned of. Or the Enclave.

>>1788544
There is also this to consider
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>>1788504
I'd like to visit slave pits tho
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>>1788545
>sky diving
You wot.

No way hose.

Nope. No. Nada.

No sir, not getting out of this cockpit
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>>1788522
Well they could attack from the Glow were it not so very far away.


Honestly, with these guided missiles and possibly some other shit as needed, the MLA odd to hold the line against the NCR or even start winning.


One idea: we should see if the Chinese have the design of a SPAAG or such in their systems and how easily we could make a robot version. Then we could contract ourselves out as AA for the MLA or sell them some. If we limit the RADAR system's ability to detect small craft (if they ask, it makes it easier to produce and the NCR lack such small things to watch for), it would fail to detect our drones if we were to turn against them.

Another would be to get them would be some APC's or just start mass producing motorbikes for them. That way they can launch more assaults and generally be more mobile.


>>1788537
I can think of a solution: we use a language they wouldn't know. We should check if the Chinese know Korean or anything of the sort since the number of people who'd know it is low. Which would render it unintelligible even if the actual encryption was cracked.
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>>1788550
We'll get them after we get our people back.
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>>1788550
Dammit.
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>>1788557
Just a couple of slaves man, nothing more
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>>1788555
Should've clarified that spoiler: that is only for if we sold them some and even then they'd be manned vehicles.
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>>1788555
>We should check if the Chinese know Korean or anything of the sort since the number of people who'd know it is low. Which would render it unintelligible even if the actual encryption was cracked.
What about the Shi?
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>>1788558
And i've been waiting several threads to start the Breeder reactor construction.
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>>1788554
I would grant an art boon to whoever redraws this Courier piloting a Vertibird while PC paratroopers jump out the side
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>>1788567
Gimme a minute for a shitty drawing.
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>>1788562
They'd be the only ones but they would need to think to show it to them and even then the chances are fairly low given the amount of knowledge they've probably lost over the years.


Plus, we might be able to find a Russian-to-English textbook or something.
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>>1788567
Do you want me to sketch the Eustace pose specifically or can i do whatever?
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>>1788566
Impressively, we managed to spend most of this thread on Quest mode talking.
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Is Niner (Our Guy?)
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>>1788607
Fuck no.
It's Ulysses+Joshua.
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>>1788607
Ignoring the loyalties to a dark god, yes.


To be honest he is probably our best ally ignoring the Chinese.
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>>1788566
Pls
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>>1788607
He's our friend to the point where we go against the Dark God who he has sold his soul to. If anything we have to defeat the Dark God if there is anyone in the MLA worth saving.
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>>1788618
No.
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>>1788607
>>1788613
>>1788626
For Raiders, yes. Back at the Battle of Hoover Dam, he was the only Raider faction that was willing to change orders and follow us.
Also he's the only sub-faction leader who actually listens to us, the rest are already integrated with us.

>>1788558
>>1788618
We can just have a call with Niner using messenger bots on the side after this.

>>1788611
We still want to get Ulysses and Joshua though, yeah. They'd be the ones to embody it amongst our companions.
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>>1788637
>Also he's the only sub-faction leader who actually listens to us, the rest are already integrated with us.
Excluding the ones at Utah, come to think of it. We haven't gotten around to them yet.
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>>1788627
>>1788637
;_;
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>>1788646
Yeah. Also, now that MLA is not hostile to us, could we have land access to Utah?
We could send a convoy of trucks there and recruit people. Or just set up regular trade.
We need to make a trade convoy headed by Cass
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Why did we bring jet here if we're not going to trade for anything

REeee
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>>1788661
Probably. Send Niner a message about us going to Utah, and then we tell the Utah folk to get on the Science Battle Bus to a land of wonder.
Non-aggression pacts does make things easier, we should do this more often with people we don't immediately plan on killing.
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>>1788661
>Yeah. Also, now that MLA is not hostile to us, could we have land access to Utah?
We could send a force through their tunnels and establish the colony, aye.


I'd advise a few more turns of salvaging the Divide, making construction robots and generally preparing before doing that. Especially since we need to start producing guided missiles for the MLA.
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>>1788666
Niner didn't want it, so I don't know. He says the Elder Gods' witches cook better drugs.
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>>1788675
We could just sell it to a vendor of drugs in the markets around here or something.
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>>1788676
>>1788275
He says his people have plenty, but we're in the MLA capital I think so that might work.

>>1788504
A shame the QM's already writing. I don't know if we can backtrack to throw our Jet at someone and pickup a slave.
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>>1788672
I wish people would spend construction action to build shit load of construction/salvage bots. We'd get shit done faster. Instead we are spending like 5 actions to build an operational railway (which is good but eats up tons of resources and time)
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>>1788681
To be fair it makes sense his people have plenty, he is powerful and probably treats them well.
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>>1788676
Or, dare I say, trade it for slaves?
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>>1788687
I agree. I'd like to just spend the next two turns churning them out as fast as we can or until we get three construction actions.

Then we spend those building the railroad, constructing additional power plants and then expansion and shit.

>>1788692
Which is why we are trading a fairly useless / unpopular drug for money from a vendor. Since a slaver would almost certainly prefer money to drugs, especially unpopular ones.
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>>1788687
Yeah. We should be building wider than taller now that we have the means to with more open borders. We should get open borders from the Legion next.

We're already a large chunk of the way into the Railway, so. We should get the mobile replicators up then do what you suggested.
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>>1788700
We might consider expanding the robotics factory slightly to accelerate production.
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>>1788697
I don't think mechanicaly it matter who we trade jet to. Remember that in game you can trade anything to anyone. Old cans to ammo seller and such.

I still think jet would be in some demand even if their cultists make better stuff. Niner might not need it because he is the richest guy around but others might.
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>>1788729
True but in game terms don't apply so precisely anymore.
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>>1788719
Oh yeah, that sounds simpler.

I'd suppose my outline would look something like this:
Upgrade robotics production > Build salvager bots > Build mobile replicator outpost at Divide Fort > Outpost finishes railway.
Build solar to tide power needs > Occupy other power generators like Hoover Dam > Then move onto breeder reactors and above.
Start occupying some of the other buildings like the Toxins facility (I don't know what we originally wanted it for) > cure Think Tank insanity so they can research better > Make a diplomacy AI so we can keep up treaties with other factions to get those resources.
Make a committee where other people manage our stuff to get those passive bonuses and initiative.
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>>1788739
We clear out a divide military base and we can leech of their power. No need to build more power when we can suborn what currently exists.

And maybe some clues t where cold fusion bases are.
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>>1788750
True. I keep forgetting about the infrastructure at the Divide.

>>1788739
>Start occupying some of the other buildings like the Toxins facility (I don't know what we originally wanted it for)
Also what did we spend those Toxins research prerequisites to get the Toxins facility for? Were we researching a Cloud cure or something?
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How the drawing coming art anon?
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>>1788739
I'd change that order to
Get second construction action > Build Breeder reactor(takes 3 turns or more) > Upgrade robot factory > Get 3rd construction action > Build mobile replicator outpost > Finish railway >Conquer Hoover Dam.
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>>1788739
>Upgrade robotics production
Agreed.

>Build salvager bots
Agreed.

>Build mobile replicator outpost at Divide Fort
We lack the power to sustain it effectively.

>Outpost finishes railway.
The Chinese war factory makes the rail way ties, so all we need to do is assign some people / robots to the actual construction.

>Build solar to tide power needs
Agreed.

>Occupy other power generators like Hoover Dam
Very much so agreed but that is a longer term plan.

>Then move onto breeder reactors and above.
Aye.

>Start occupying some of the other buildings like the Toxins facility (I don't know what we originally wanted it for)
For FEV research and that sort of thing.

>cure Think Tank insanity so they can research better
Agreed, we need to do some neural research so brains will last longer and be able to control more robots.

>Make a diplomacy AI so we can keep up treaties with other factions to get those resources.
AI's take massive effort to produce, that'd be a waste.

>Make a committee where other people manage our stuff to get those passive bonuses and initiative.
That'd be a good idea but having all of our resources under our control is slightly needed for now so we can maximise our actions productivity.


>>1788754
It was for FEV work.
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>>1788762
>We lack the power to sustain it effectively.
You have a point, i was planning for the Mobile replicator to just use the old recipe of 2 metal and a fissile but i understand if some anons don't want to do that.
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>>1788762
We need someone diplomatic, and buisness savy, who isn't an alcoholic like Cass. We have no one of the sort unless we train one up from scratch.
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>>1788759
>Get second construction action
How long does this take?
>Build Breeder reactor(takes 3 turns or more)
Wasn't it 5 turns + for a (Tiny) one, or do you mean with the 2nd construction action?

The rest I figured was in parallel of sorts, which is why it was split a bit. I haven't looked to see what our actual limit of actions and passives looked like in a while, and conditional arrangements for them. Still waiting on the QM's revised turn prompt.

>>1788762
>AI's take massive effort to produce, that'd be a waste.
How much effort? I remembered it as a few turns a while ago, is it still that long?

>That'd be a good idea but having all of our resources under our control is slightly needed for now so we can maximise our actions productivity.
True, but this is mostly for when we're away on missions like Utah adventures.

>It was for FEV work.
Oh. We were broadening our horizons.
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>>1788769
The non-fissile replicators would work fine seeing as they can recombine shit no bother so long as they have the same atomic densities as the product and such.

Seeing as we'd be salvaging steel and shit from the buildings, that wouldn't be a problem.

>>1788771
>We need someone diplomatic, and buisness savy, who isn't an alcoholic like Cass. We have no one of the sort unless we train one up from scratch.
You mean besides ourselves and a few of our other Companions? Also Cass ain't an alcoholic anymore most likely seeing as we have addictol out the ass.
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>>1788773
>How long does this take?
I dunno, QM just said to build one of >>1788249
We already started on building squads of Loaders.
>Wasn't it 5 turns + for a (Tiny) one
It will take about half a year or maybe more but if we use 2 construction actions to build it it will half.
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The ZAX(CEO) has commissioned the construction of 6 more Universal Loader Squads. This has significantly increased your construction ability, and with the help of the newly ready train, progress of the Railroad has gone on overhaul. It is estimated that the amount of turns left to finish the railway, even despite divide conditions has been reduced from 3 more turns to 1 more turns.

>CEO
"Time, like everything, is a resource. Conserve it and spend it well."

Thanks to the new Exo Armor, your Chinese Supply Trucks and Construction Vehicles can (relatively) safely trawl the Divide for resources. And boy are there plenty. Even the Bawang Tank is put to work and loaded up with scrap.

In even better news, they have met up with the front elements of your railway and have loaded up the train with the new haul!

Fuel has been spent on the supply truck convoy and the construction vehicles, but your farms have kept the food supply stable.

---

>>>>>Food: Below Average (Rising) [CAP: Average]
Passive Booze Ration: Low (higher for soldiers)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable) [CAP: Average]
>>>>>Medicine: Above Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Metal (Plentiful) Fissile (Above Average)
Scrap Wood (tiny)
Special Electronics (---) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (---) [Falling] Alien Tech Scraps (low) Hexcrete Bags (Average)
Plant Material (Tiny)
Trona Minerals (Low)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 252 Humans (and companions) +55 Infants +40 Mutants/Nightkin, 2 Ghoul
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
(Mercenary) - Moderate
-Energy Firearms
(Human Plasma/Laser) - Below Average
(Alien) - Below Average
(Chinese Alien-Jurry Rigged) - Below Average
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniforms:
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
(35 Dr. Mobius Scrubs + Dr. Mobius Glasses)
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>>1788773
>Oh. We were broadening our horizons.
Checked back. Why were her people impatient about the FEV labs, because they wanted to be smoothskins? What were they doing back over at Baker? Waiting for us to make to then immigrate here?
Once we get the FEV labs and Toxins facility up and shovel Unity's people and others into it, will we get a free FEV research action for this, or will we have to keep diverting to them?

>>1788790
>I dunno, QM just said to build one of >>1788249
Oh. I'm guessing 5 turns then. We should start diverting our human farmers into specialists for this.
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>>1788554
>>1788567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYEVvGapF20
It's shit but i did my best.
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>>1788258
Is overdriving less efficient then usual? Or is it the same efficiency but removing our stockpiles?

>>1788805
>It's shit but i did my best.
>did my best.
Did what?
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>>1788805
>>1788797
We should look for increasing the farms we have. So we have more fuel for our shit, to haul things to and from the divide
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>>1788805
Fucking forgot the pic.
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>>1788810
I like it
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The Railroad has reached China Ranch! (ish, mostly in the abandoned town below it)

>OUTPOSTS<
--CHINA RANCH--
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings. Digital Radio Tower. Railroad to BigMT.
>>>>> Power: Big Alien Battery
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Animals:

--TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings. Digital Radio Tower. Highway to BigMT
>>>>> Power: Big Alien Battery
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> Infrastructure: Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm (Small). Banana Yucata (Medium) Spice Farm (tiny). Water Pump to BigMT. Electrical Wires to BigMT
>>>>> Power: Borrowed from BIgMT.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. *Nat100* Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:
>>>>>Other: Omni-Agronator!

---THE TWIN MINES (West+South)---
>>>>>Military: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Railroads. Open Pit Quarry.
>>>>>Defenses: Mountain
>>>>>Animals:
>>>>>Other:

---Divide Forward Outpost---
>>>>>Military: (1st Robot Army)
>>>>> Infrastructure: Tiny Steel Barracks
>>>>>Defenses: Raised Rocky Ground. Basic Hexcrete/Steel Walls. Sandbags. Vehicle Dug Ins.
>>>>>Animals: 1 Deathclaw
>>>>>Other: 1 Deathclaw Egg

>>1788810
Ha! I like it anon.

+1 Cultural (Art) Boon. Spend it on a Cultural/Diplomacy action for a super boost!
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>>1788808
Suddenly I see all the bottlenecks we have whenever we decide on a turn.

>>1788554
>>1788810
It's got that meme feeling to it, I like it.

>>1788818
>+1 Cultural (Art) Boon. Spend it on a Cultural/Diplomacy action for a super boost!
Are you saying we could actually start converting differing ideologies to us now?
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>>1788821
Lucky for you the Train runs on your electrical grid. If you spend a lot of fissile material on an internal reactor it will be taken off the grid.

But also be a bit more explosive if something were to happen.
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>>1788818
>+1 Cultural (Art) Boon. Spend it on a Cultural/Diplomacy action for a super boost!
Dammit, i thought it was gonna be a general boon.
At least i have ideas on what to use it for.
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We can honestly use the the boon to fix any fuck ups we ever have when it comes to relations with other factions. Like if any of these factions realize we're gonna backstab the fuck out of them when the time comes.
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>>1788759
Seriously though, can we do this order please?
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>>1788827
On the bright side, I think more specific boons work better than general ones for those actions.

>>1788826
So bottlenecks with resources, once we get the train do we still need more salvagers to make use of it? Do we have to keep carting back resources back and from the Divide to use to build our stuff back at the BigMT?
We might want to consider overdriving one of the resource gathering methods to make it faster.

>>1788834
Wait. What if we used it to brohug Elijah, then backstab him again?
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>>1788839
Actions will always be necessary until you completely automate the process.

Once that happens, you will passively collect until storage becomes filled
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Or we can use the Cultural boon to propagandize the wasteland to attract all of the scientific minded peoples to our cause...The use is endless.
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Here are some ideas of what we can do.

Civ:
Savage metal from the Divide

Construct:
Finished the Train route to the Divide

Hero: (I want to go to the commonwealth for the Cold Fusion)
Go to Commonwealth, bring Riddick and someone else, to scout out the place, and prepare a presence in the area.

Passive Robots:
Universal Loaders

Just a idea some anon come up with ZEX research, normal research, or use of the military
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>>1788844
How can we automate scrap collection in the divide? first we finish the train tracks, then build more scrappers?
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>>1788852
Is the commonwealth in range of our communications?
If not we will have to research and build a communications satellite before going up there.
The ZAX research should be for the Securitrons and other robots since MAJOR requested to research them.
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>>1788859
I'm not really worry about communications, we can handle ourselves without the use of communications. I went to just find more out about the place, then come back home.

How about we Research Communication satellite this turn.Since we need the range for things. And have the ZAX research go to the MAJOR?

Universal loaders will help transport the metal, and we can have our military also transporting metal as well.
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>>1788856
>ZAX(CEO)
"Hmmmm.

Build a depot, fix up that Giant Crane, and give me a TACT collector plus about 20 Universal Loader Squads should suffice. After that if you invest more, we'll get faster steel per turn."
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>HERO
Talk to the BOS and see if we can't trade some tech off of them for some of our own or join their people for some exploration missions and such to secure technology under the agreement of sharing whatever is found.

>CIVILIAN
Finish the railroad.

>CONSTRUCTION
Expand the robot factory.

>MILITARY
Begin exploring more of the Divide, find all pre-war bases and secure them while also sending an additional force to scout in the direction of the Canyon wreckage that leads to NV.

>ROBOTICS + ZAX
Refine the design and production method of the Construction loaders.

Passive production: Construction Loaders.
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>>1788844
Scan Jacob's brain to make an AI. Research/upgrade omni-constructor. Put AI in new omni models.

Is doable?
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>>1788877
Hey QM, how many Loader squads do we need to get the 2nd construction action?
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>>1788881
"That would be more expensive and require another building, but doable."
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>>1788852
Ill support this, but for the hero action i would rather us talk to the cult about getting our trooper "bitch" back.
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>>1788878
support.
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>>1788883
The CEO recommends rather than focusing purely on squads to build an entire Engineering Corps with a specified loadout. He'll work on it once you give him the actions.

As an estimte we're looking at somewhere upwards of 20-50 squads, not including supporting medium and heavy robots."
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>>1788818
>>1788877
Well this is an interesting list of turn proposals, and we didn't even finish the turn update yet.
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>>1788906
Will that be additional to 4 actions per turn?
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>Forward MILITARY:
8 Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
2 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Squads (8R) - UNDERGROUND
1 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (5R) - UNDERGROUND
1 LAER MKV Hazard (5R) – UNDERGROUND
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R) - UNDERGROUND

Riddick with Bounty PA
Cain with BoS PA
The Devils Brigade
Hazel with Bounty Hunter PA
Ed-E
2 MKV Hazard-Salvager Securitron Squads (5R)
1 Sentry Shield-Juggernaut Minigunners (5R)
10.5 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
4 {JUNK REPAIR} Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot Squads (8R)
6 Small Flyer Repairbots Squads (10R)
18 Spy-Eye Bots Squads
1 Super Heavy Omni-Constructor
3 Universal Loader Squads
2 Heavy Hazard Bastion (5R) - {Light Mechinzed}
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>>1788901
Multiple just saying my turn list is not done. It's more like a outline, for other anons to get ideas from
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>>1788906
Alright.

>HERO
--Check up on Joshua and New Canaan to make sure they are alright.
--Unfreeze a new guy from alien cryogenics.
I'd like if some anons could suggest some other minor actions for our hero to do.

>Civ:
Savage metal from the Divide

>Construct:
Finished the Train route to the Divide

>Passive Robots:
Universal Loaders

>ZAX
Let MAJOR research the Securitrons.
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>>1788913
Yes.

>>1788795
Correction. I forgot that it was passive construction.

---

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Above Average (Stable)
Permanent:
Patriotism (Average- Phoenix Commonwealth)
Military Pride (Below Moderate)
>>>>>Current Pop:
31 Human
20 Infants
2 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
15 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Dean Domino, Couripor, Mary-Jo Casey
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Boom Town Shooting Course Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Chemical Mill (Small)
Concrete Military HQ/Barracks + Intelligence Center - James Bond. General Kreger.
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery (Tiny)
X-12 Biological Research Plant (Small)
Automated Hexcrete Plant (Small)
Securitron Deconstructino Plant / General Robotics Research Facility (Small)
X-13 Research Factility / Medical VR University (Small)
X-2 Antennae Transmitter Array - Mr. New Vegas. Ms. New Washington
Doppler Radar
Large Scale Replicator
AUTOMATED ROBOT FACTORY
**ZAX - VAULT TEC (TM)**
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few)
Watch Towers. MAXIMUM SURVEILANCE
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (INTACT). 1 Long Travel RV. 1 bulletproof limosine.
1 Electric Locomotive
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors.
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+Jacob Miles
+Tony Gam
+Janith Kindergarten
+Dr. Bradley's Brain
+20 Researchers (Followers of the Apocalypse)
+14 Hubologists
+10 Experienced Combat Medics/Researchers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans} {Augmented!}
+45 Assorted Research Robots (normal)
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Protectron
+1 Squad of Alienware Universal Hazard Containment Robots
+1 Squad of Heavy Mortar TACT bots
+10 VR Life Support Pods (debrained Version)
+6 Universal Loader Squads (+3 Squads at the Front)
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>>1788919
Bring our Follower of the Apocalypse a long distance radio to keep us updated on stuff at New Cannaan
>>
>---NEW WASHINGTON---
>>>>>>Morale: Average
>Permanent: Patriotism (Average- Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>>Current Pop:
>203 Human
>35 Infants
>+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin

>>>>>>Garrison:
>1 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel
>+10 Mr. Orderly Robots
>+2 Experienced Higher Officers (Urban Veteran) [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veterans} {Augmented!}
40 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats” (Various)
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
+156 Securitrons MKV Hazard Bot
+(Plentiful) Spy-Eye Bots

Squads:
>General Infantry Squad: (6 Regular Infantry, 1 Experienced Soldier "NCO", 1 Trained Regular Officer)
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veteran Leaders}{Veteran Infantry} {Augmented!}
8 Squads [8/8]

>Garrison Infantry Squad: (Assorted infantry)
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser){Veteran} {Augmented!}
2 Squads [8/8] [7/7]

>1 Command Platoon:
>Traits:[OW American Infantry Armor] (Weapons:Plasma/Laser) {Experienced Veteran Leaders}{Veteran Infantry} {Augmented!} **Command Unit**
+1 TACT bot {Combat Veteran}
+2 Experienced Higher Officers (Urban Veteran)
+8 Experienced Regular Infantry
+5 Mr. Orderly Robots
+Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS

>>>>>Prisoner: None
1 Presidental Manor
100 Hexcrete Hex Houses (Indoor plumbing/Shower, electricity)
Asphault Roads. Sewer System. Night Lamps.
Desert Landscaping
Spring Well. Clean Water Tank (Intact)
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
Concrete School House (Tiny)
Glass Mill (Small)
Public Washing Machines.
Water Treatment/Fertilizer Plant
(Small) Bar + Cafeteria + Kitchen + Janith's Equipment
Solar Collector Tower Station (Small)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame. 5 Chinese Supply Trucks
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles. Solar Collector Tower Station (Small)

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+55 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
+11 Baby Brahmin
+30 Mr. Howdy's Farming Robots


ALERT!

Founding Day is in 3 turns!

---

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 114
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>>1788919
Actually, i forgot we have 2nd research action for robots.

>Research
Subterranean mining+combat bots.
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>>1788928
Alright, bring radio.
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>>1788919
>>1788942
Hmmm
Nice to see that my unfinished list gave you some good ideas for the turn.

You should update the list with everything so OP doesn't have to check on two posts on the turn
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>>1788940
Updated.


>HERO
--Check up on Joshua and New Canaan to make sure they are alright.
--Unfreeze a new guy from alien cryogenics.
I'd like if some anons could suggest some other minor actions for our hero to do.

>Civ:
Savage metal from the Divide

>Construct:
Finished the Train route to the Divide

>MILITARY
Begin exploring more of the Divide, find all pre-war bases and secure them while also sending an additional force to scout in the direction of the Canyon wreckage that leads to NV.

>Passive Robots:
Universal Loaders

>ZAX
Let MAJOR research the Securitrons

>Robot Research
Subterranean mining+combat bots.
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>>1788919
Add negotiations with the cult for our officer to the hero action and ill support.
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>>1788940
>HERO
Talk to the BOS and see if we can't trade some tech off of them for some of our own or join their people for some exploration missions and such to secure technology under the agreement of sharing whatever is found.

>CIVILIAN
Finish the railroad.

>CONSTRUCTION
Expand the robot factory.

>MILITARY
Begin exploring more of the Divide, find all pre-war bases and secure them while also sending an additional force to scout in the direction of the Canyon wreckage that leads to NV.

>ROBOTICS
Let MAJOR do his magic on the Securitrons.

> ZAX
Let CEO and that pre-war engineer guy we have get to work creating an engineering corps.

Passive production: Construction Loaders.


Isn't the ZAX action a free action? If not drop the MILITARY action from my turn plan.
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>>1788973
I don't think we'll succeed but fine.
>>1788960
--Negotiate with the MLA cult for our officer.
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>>1788981
support

>>1788973
I don't think it would work, and she's a lobotomite at this point. It would cost too much.
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>>1788960
>>1788985

Figured its worth a shot.

Qm,this has my support.
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>>1788981
Actually, could we do both the "Talk to the MLA cult for Officer" And "Trade with the BoS and join them in exploration"?
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>>1788960
>>1788985
Supporting
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>>1788990
If the cost is to much then we are free to decline. But it doesn't hurt to find out.
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>>1788997
That probably could be possible but I'd advise waiting a few months for her pregnancy to end so we can reconnect her mind to her body without her being quite so mentally fucked seeing as we could then brush that part of what happened under the rug.
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Can someone put everything being supported in one post? Then link 3 1d100s to it
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1789017

>HERO
--Check up on Joshua and New Canaan to make sure they are alright.
--Unfreeze a new guy from alien cryogenics.
--Negotiate with the MLA cult for our officer.

>Civ:
Savage metal from the Divide

>Construct:
Finished the Train route to the Divide

>MILITARY
Begin exploring more of the Divide, find all pre-war bases and secure them while also sending an additional force to scout in the direction of the Canyon wreckage that leads to NV.

>Passive Robots:
Universal Loaders

>ZAX
Let MAJOR research the Securitrons

>Robot Research
Subterranean mining+combat bots.
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Rolled 96 (1d100)

>>1789017
>>1789023
Nice roll
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>>1789023
I disagree with the Robotics research action. It doesn't benefit us currently.


Switching the ZAX research over to the Robotics and then using the ZAX action to create the construction / engineer's corps would be more effective assuming it is possible.
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Rolled 85 (1d100)

>>1789023
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>>1789042
>>1789027
>>1789023
>85
>91
>95
:^)
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>>1789033
Eh, i can do that next turn since the railway will be finished.
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Writing!
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>>1789046
Either way anon with my 96 roll, this turn using your list is a major success.
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>>1789046
The point is that you can make your turn more effective, seeing as we aren't going to be using what your research action would produce any time soon.


Where as a increase in our construction capacity like what I propose would be far more useful and help to relieve one of the major problems we are dealing with by constructing more robots.
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>>1789059
I'll do it next turn mate, where we can use our construction action alongside it.
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>>1789063
I don't understand what you mean by using our construction action alongside it but the benefit of the engineers corps has been recommended by CEO.

I would argue investing focus on this is more important than developing additional, useless, combat robots.
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>>1789063
You should change the bots build to Construction Loaders

So we can get much more metal from the divide and get our shit build much quicker
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>>1789076
>I don't understand what you mean by using our construction action alongside it
>>1788877
>>1788906
Basically, give him 2 actions instead of 1.
>I would argue investing focus on this is more important than developing additional, useless, combat robots.
They won't be useless once we go to war against the MLA.
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>>1788973
>>1788990
>>1788985
>>1788993
We can succeed by stating that they need to for us to support them in their war, which we will by planning to give Niner some stuff which coincidentally is what we were going to do anyways. Alternatively trial by combat or duel, because Raider rules.
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>>1789092
The cult doesn't do trial by combat.
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>>1789092
Raider rules work on raiders, not Cults. And they wouldn't give her to us so we would help Niner. That's a deal with another party.

And any deal with the cults is going to be divinely binding, so I don't want to get wrapped up in that red tape.
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>>1789101
>And any deal with the cults is going to be divinely binding
Aw damn that's true, i don't want their elder god breathing down our necks.
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>>1789099
>>1789101
>>1789117
Wait, shit. You're right, those are different rules we haven't found out about yet.

Anyways, I don't think we should visit the Great Elder One Cult yet until we get psychic protection, as that's how they fucked us over last time.
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>>1789091
>Basically, give him 2 actions instead of 1.
If he needs additional actions, we can give him them next turn as well but by doing it my way, we get started now and possibly even get a minor benefit.

>They won't be useless once we go to war against the MLA.
So you mean literally a dozen turns at least down the line if not a lot further along? You are prioritising things we aren't going to be using anytime soon over things with immediate benefits.
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>>1789120
>>1789023
Alright, QM, please switch
--Negotiate with the MLA cult for our officer.
For
--Talk to the BOS and see if we can't trade some tech off of them for some of our own or join their people for some exploration missions and such to secure technology under the agreement of sharing whatever is found.
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>>1789122
well technically we'll have to dig for space to put the small Breeder reactor in so they will be used soon.
Regardless, they are crucial for my plans and i won't change it just for you.
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>>1789138
You want to build devil's tongues right? Flamethrowers are excellent weapons for tunnels, especially when wielded by a bot that doesn't need oxygen.

>>1789132
support this change
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>>1789132
Supporting this change
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>>1789148
Yep, problem with flamethrowers however is that they need fuel, which becomes a weakpoint for whatever wields the flametrower which is why i plan for the devils tongue to be the only one to use it with it's weakpoint guarded by regular mining/combat robots.
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>>1789132
I dont support this.
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>>1789132
Support.
>--Talk to the BOS and see if we can't trade some tech off of them
Is this serious tech we're giving them? Or more like tech they could make but without the production?
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>>1789023
I don't have time to finish my drawing right now, so I'll post the unfinished one because we are researching securiton upgrade this turn.

This is my proposal for new securiton.
Left hand is a gating laer. Right hand is for heavier caliber weapons like gauss rifle or anti material. The under barrel is for flamethrower.

Rocket pods should hold bigger missiles, like the ones Niner gave us.

3 wheels for added mobility.

On the back are mortar cannons. Optional if we can fit them.

There's no light/heavy armor version. Only heavy armor.
Small armor plates you see are anti-rpg measures, the jump forth to intercept the grenade.


It should not be bigger than current heavy securitons

Ignore the Google writing, I just scribble stuff
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So guys just a question.
Do you prefer having the Hero action done first, last after the actions? Or just don't care?

For me I would like to see the Hero action done last, since it takes the most time to do.

>>1789173
I feel like BoS are bros, they are better allies to have than our uneasy non-aggression pact with the MLA right now.

Also I think keeping the art boon for now, will be best of one of the factions thinks for starting a war with us before we are ready
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>>1789173
I dunno, i took it from this anon >>1788981
Let's just see what they have to offer.
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>>1789180
>Do you prefer having the Hero action done first, last after the actions? Or just don't care?
I prefer Fastest-to-slowest so hero last most of the time.
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>>1789177
Even incomplete, that's real neat.

>>1789180
>I feel like BoS are bros, they are better allies to have than our uneasy non-aggression pact with the MLA right now.
Kind of? Not really? They're sort of helping but not really because of their genocidal policies, we'd have to turn them around for that.
Mojave BoS chapter though, totally. They're gone now, which is a shame.

>>1789180
>For me I would like to see the Hero action done last, since it takes the most time to do.
Same. Plus a number of our Hero action depends on our turn action for our situation.
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>>1789177
It ain't modular, it looks good and i'd love to build them but i prefer keeping the modulability.
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>>1789177
Also i don't know if it should have a flamethrower, it's a weakness our enemies can exploit unless we give it the energy-to-ammo upgrade.
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>>1789177
If we find missles are a big problem, when we go look for cold fusion, we should be able to find avengers
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Avenger_(Generals)

Which has anti-missle lasers, anti-aircraft lasers, and targeting lasers. We should be able to copy and implement whatever subsystems we want.

So we can install a small anti-missle laser on the securitron like in the Paladin tank
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Paladin_tank_(Generals)
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>>1789177
>>1789193
>>1789198
Why are we upgrading Securitrons instead of switching them over to Bastions? Doesn't Bastions have the same modularity base?

>>1789204
I wonder how many crossovers the QM has for this Quest universe.
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>>1789204
We can add a cold fusion reactor to our robots, if that's what you are saying.
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>>1789198
We can go plasma throwers. The tech exists in FO4.

>>1789193
We can make it so that arms can be swapped out.
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>>1789208
>Doesn't Bastions have the same modularity base?
I don't know but i hope so.
Regardless, they are too big to be our main troops, they are the size of a small vehicle even without Hazard armor.
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>>1789192
Well I see the BoS the most like us, just a bit different.

MLA has slaves used as cannon folder. Eat humans, and just high all the time. They are anarcho capitalism.

BoS due to being far away are not a threat to us. They like tech, try to improve on it, and try to help the tribes, humans have a better standard of living. They don't outright kill all mutants, just have them work for them, and are allowed to live separated from the humans. (Also MLA can have bias views saying the mutants are worked to death)

So yeah, BoS in my view can be changed easier than the MLA, and if we find the cure to turn back ghouls and super mutants. Then they have no reason to keep they separate. So BoS are bros we have for now. Also the Mormons are also bros
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>>1789211
I don't think we can, didn't the QM state it was too small for the cold fusion? Hot fusion reactors could be placed in vehicles.
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>>1789208
Generals has been crossed over since the begining, so it's a good reference. Tiberium stuff probably has to be developed.

>>1789211
When we go look for cold fusion reactor tech, we would be going to military bases which would have avengers, and we can take the anti-missle lasers out and implement them in our designs.
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Look let's just let Major do what he will with the robots.


>>1789208
>Doesn't Bastions have the same modularity base?
As far as I remember, no.
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>>1789213
>We can go plasma throwers. The tech exists in FO4.
As long as it doesn't have a fuel storage that explodes when hit by a bullet.
>We can make it so that arms can be swapped out.
Still inferior to the Mr potato like Securitron box chest. It's compatible with over 300 parts and can have over 10,000 combinations! Get yours now!
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>>1789208
no it don't
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>>1788981
>>CIVILIAN
>Finish the railroad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdYSh0kcXHs

In an inspirational burst of flare you decide to have a ribbon opening of the Railway to the Divide, and to also commemorate it as the victory day of the "1st Battle of the Divide".

Baker's band plays over the Radio intercom, as you cut the ribbon to much fanfare and cheer. Your great railroad now stretches from BigMT all the way into the heart of the Divide itself, where a mountain of steel lies in wait for the harvest.

The train blares its horn loudly and proudly echoing throughout the Crater, before its robotic driver and a follower Engineer heads off on its new route.

Everyone feels proud to having contributed to this and over our robotic workforce.
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>>1789218
I meant can't, sorry.
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>>1789236
>This video is not available.
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>>1789240
Where the fuck do you live because it works here in America.
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>>1789237
>>1789218
Well the information you found on the terminal indiciates it was reactor sized. One of the Generals might have been experimenting with a miniaturized version for vehicles, but you aren't sure which.

>>1789241
Surely he must live in the NCR where such holotapes are mysteriously unavailable.
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>>1789240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6modjK2imI
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>>1789241
Italy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRGGDDD60UI
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>>1789198
I thought energy to ammo was given since our models had that from the time we stole them from Mr. House.
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>>1789254
Does Zeg Maar Willy mean anything to you?
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>>1789261
On robots with flame throwers, yeah.
The dragon tank and inferno cannons don't have that tech. Old world stuff.
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>>1789246
God Bless QM

>>1789254
Oh no, You poor bastard.
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>>1789266
No.
What the fuck is this video that Google game me as a result?
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>>1789271
It's a username of someone. And they posted the same video as you. So just wanted to check if you and I are somehow in the same discord
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>>1789236
Also QM you linked the wrong post.
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>>1789236
The winning post is >>1789023
with
>>1789132 modification.
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>>1789023
AW FUCK I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT HERO ACTION!
>Finish our book and publish it.
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>>1789438
That wasn't published?
what other things are there to discuss in it?
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>>1789449
Nothing i think.
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QM ded?
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Still here and writing, just designing a completely new Securitron
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>>1789510
well take inspiration from >>1789177
I like it. Though maybe not the tricycle wheels.
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I love how a couple of good rolls can really affect progress. We spent like half of this thread wondering whether or not we would let Niner's gang attack. Glad things are moving along now.
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>MAJOR
"Hmmm. You've got so many good weapon types for all sorts of occasions. Then there's the alien tech.

Frankly I feel like a goddamn kid in a candy factory.

Gonna see how much firepower I can pack onto this baby."
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>>1789558
Is he reviewing the other robots too? The light humanoid one?
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The MAJOR, accessing all your known available weapons types and available models, and makes his own militarized version: The Tankitron.

It hardly resembles the original securitron, save for the familiar boxy torso.

The titanium inner hulled wheel has been replaced by a hidden hybrid of the Mr. Gutsy and Alien Drone propulsor lift, which is protected on all sides by thick metal skirts. It can effectively climb up vertical surfaces, or perform a limited jump boost with booster rockets, making it especially useful in otherwise difficult terrain even for legs and giving it a much shorter frame.

It is based off your MP model which gutted out all the non-combat essential components leaving up much more space for ammunition storage and armor.

It is also partly based off the Hazard series of Robots, but rather than being soley reliant on replaceable armor, it now incorporates the repulsor field technology reducing incoming damage from solid caustic substances such as acid or the cloud.
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>>1789728
As for the armaments. Out of all the variety of weapons at your disposal, he had to think really hard on this one. The sheer variety and options left a lot of thought for what could be a standardized design.

The familiar shoulder rockets, he kept, stating that they were an effective short to medium indirect fire and area saturation weapon and in a pinch short ranged AA against low flying vertibirds, though utterly useless against high altitude aircraft or fast movers, and not so very effective in armor penetration of heavily armored targets.

The Right Arm he has placed a medium to long range high powered energy cannon. It fires a continuous , single LAER beam based off the Vault Tec weapon provided by cain which is effective enough to kill a unarmored human or light sized target.

But the beauty of it is this is simply the targeting laser for its true power.

It has two versions, each must be equipped to a separate robot. The TESLA Blaster or the Disintegrator Beam.

The TESLA blaster fires a single, huge concentrated TESLA lightning blast based off of Elijah’s Jurry Rigged Tesla Beaton, which has an AOE electrical effect, causing damage to multiple opponents or vehicular systems through intense electrical generation. It travels along a path set by the continuous LAER beam which, if it manages to penetrate beneath the thin armor of a robot or a machine to create an electrical current directly inside the components, will be devastating.

The second is based on the ALIEN disintegrator. It can either fire off a continuous stream of disintegration particles along the LAER beam, allowing it to cut even deeper into armor in a tiny concentrated point, or balls up into a large Disintegration Sphere. Though this sphere does not travel relatively fast like electricity or a laser beam, it can create a huge crater of disintegrated material, making it especially effective in clearing away say, debris or enemy cover.

This he says will allow you to target aircraft at medium ranges although he’ll need something much more powerful and larger for high altitude aircraft such as in the stratosphere.
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>>1789731
The Left Arm is then responsible for short ranged duty. It fires a combination Heat Ray based weapon and a Microwave Ray, allowing it to spread a cone of intense heat that turns metals red hot after a while and sets organic targets on fire, making it especially good against light infantry or organic targets, though not so good against something solid like thick armor or concrete. It does have a short ranged effectiveness though.

The entire robot is built using an alloy of Titanium and Alien Metal, which means every single piece of it has to be replicated, but this has kept its size and weight from being extreme.

As a result it is a hideously expensive, but stupendously combat deadly weapon effective at short, medium, and long ranges with both accurate fire, AOE, short ranged, and Armor Penetration capability.

It comes in two versions, the more expensive Fission Battery based one, which is smaller but costs even more fissile materials, or the less expensive Alien Energy Cell one, which is much bigger and needs to be recharged increasing energy cost.
Did I mention its expensive?

>ZAX(MAJOR)
“Cost is not as important as combat effectiveness!”

>ZAX(CEO)
“This technological terror you’ve constructed, does it fit within say, a budget plan? How many squads of these high tech killers do you think you’ll be able to mass produce using our current logistical constrants?”

>ZAX(MAJOR)
“Irrelevant! If we are strained on resources then we shall take them from the burning hulks of our enemies!”

>ZAX(CEO)
“And this is why I’m the logistician and you’re the tactician.”
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>>1789731
>But the beauty of it is this is simply the targeting laser for its true power. It has two versions, each must be equipped to a separate robot.
Does this mean that 1 robot targets and the other shoots?
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>>1789742
It fires a contiuous LAER beam which causes damage as a normal LAER beam would, but uses this as its targeting laser and a channel for either the TESLA blast or the Disintegration weaponry to travel upon.

It's an energy weapon guided energy weapon.
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>>1789749
>It's an energy weapon guided energy weapon.
This is hilarious.
Could they be upgraded to be officers? If they're expensive we might as well throw that in.
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>>1789733
The Major is a fucking man after my own heart.
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>>1789749
Also how big is it compared to other Securitrons?
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>>1789733
You know what? I'm pretty sure this almost counts as a Supcom experimental unit.
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>>1789760
The unarmored version is the size of the Securitron, the armored version is the size of a Hazard Bot. However in either case it is vastly more durable than the aformentioned versions.

However, the Alien Energy Cell on its back does make it a bigger target and it does glow, making it vulnerable from the back. The more expensive Fissile Battery one doesn't, but it still presents as a somewhat large but not so glowy bump on the back. This is less of a problem with the Hazard version but of course that version is bigger.

The main difference is the arms. The Right arm is huge, essentially an energy cannon. And the left arm is also rather large.

Think pic related on the weapon in comparison to the arm.
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>>1789782
Can it be upgraded to an officer bot?
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>>1789800
Yes
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>>1789778
Nah, this is a really fancy tier 2. A real Sup Com experimental would be shitting one of these out every minute.
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How is the Hazard bot's protection compared to this new robot?
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>>1789807
Then i propose to the other anons here that this becomes an officer bot design, we won't have many, will probably only have 1 for a while, but it will wreck our enemies with it's own squad support.
Actually since we let MAJOR have a look and got this marvel, how about we let CEO get his own chance to shine and let him improve the Modular Securitron design?
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>>1789815
You're right, a Fallout experimental unit would be whatever we do with Liberty prime.
All the Upgrades man. All of them.
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>>1789819
Exceptional. Far far higher. The unarmored version itself is comparable to the Hazard Bot in its durability, but nearly twice as expensive
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>>1789829
Wait it's twice as expensive as the regular Hazard Securitrons?
How much are the Hazard Securitrons again?
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>>1789782
Well as lovely as these innovations are, they are too expensive to see deployment for now at the very least. Fact is that we need numbers and various units more so than a few dozen squads of these. No matter how effective they are, against the enemies that we face they'd prove to few in number to hold ground or effectively manage an offensive.

However the "LAER beam", combination microwave-alien-heat-ray and it's innovations in other areas certainly can be used to enhance existing designs and capabilities. TACTs for example could certainly make use of such weapons.


Given time or if we encounter much stiffer resistance than anticipated, we can consider production of a limited number to act as breakthrough units. However I feel that since we aren't getting into a ground war against the NCR or MLA, these are unneeded for now where as the potential for a ground war against the Legion is significant.

In such a war, the effectiveness of these units would be quite high but their low number would compound the strength of the Legion, that being their numbers allowing for them to tie down assets and still perform raids elsewhere.


>>1789823
I disagree. The current robots have proven to be entirely sufficient for our needs and this thing feels like an extreme investment at best or a wunderwaffen at worst.
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>>1789823
Would we go for this model rather than use TACT bots?

I mean, given the TACT bot design they'd usually be at the rear of the army, while this sounds like a frontline combat unit.

>>1789731
QM, unrelated question, but how close is our book to being complete?
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>>1789843
>I disagree. The current robots have proven to be entirely sufficient for our needs and this thing feels like an extreme investment at best or a wunderwaffen at worst.
Nah, they're only twice as expensive as Hazard Securitrons and we've made 156 of those so we can definitely make some of these to act as officers for some squads here or there.
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>>1789728
Heh. It's a floater with big guns.
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>>1789853
Hazard securitrons are pretty expensive though. I don't think we will be able to make many of these things.
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>>1789829
>>1789853
>ZAX(CEO)
"Eh, the twice as expensive estimate is a gross one. That does not take into account other factors like time and energy consumption among other things."

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The ZAX spends a considerable amount of time at the replicators painstakingly producing both the numerous delicate components and the hardened alien alloyed components.
+1 MAJOR ZAX Tankitron {Repuslor Hazard} {Medium LAER guided TESLA cannon}{Heat-Ray}

>MAJOR
"WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE SOLDIER"

>Tankitron
"War is in my bolts, sir."

>MAJOR
"OUTSTANDING!"
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>>1789889
God Bless this bot, He will lead us to victory.
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>>1789892
Well he better, because we aren't making more of him for a while.
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>>1789853
>Nah, they're only twice as expensive as Hazard Securitrons and we've made 156 of those so we can definitely make some of these to act as officers for some squads here or there.
I admit the design has potential but personally I'd argue against these as I believe the plan is to conquer the Legion once we've taken care of the Divide and such. From our experiences against the Legion at the dam, it took squads with anti-material rifles to take down those MK 2's. Now we are using MK 5's and mostly Hazards for the most part so they should be sufficient. I just get the feeling that we should be focusing on numbers and that Hazard Securitrons act as a fairly good balance in that regard between the two extremes the base model and these represent.


>>1789900
Agreed. We need numbers so we can hold land and launch offensives. These'll take too much to sustain a offensive with in any reasonable terms.
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>>1789910
I agree. At least in order to take the Mojave and the other side of the dam.
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>>1789889
This is a Officer version right?
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>>Robot Research
>Subterranean mining+combat bots
This is a relatively new technology that almost none of you, even the ZAX, have much experience in though it presents an interesting challenge.

First of all, subterranean diggers and the very concept of them are being researched. Preliminary studies focus on feasible ways to make it work, and differing theories are tested and applied. For now they focus on an actual vehicle or machine that can function as a subterranean driller.
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>MILITARY
>Begin exploring more of the Divide, find all pre-war bases and secure them while also sending an additional force to scout in the direction of the Canyon wreckage that leads to NV.
Three areas pique your interest.

To the northwest is a BIG hole in the ground. HUGE, it goes very very far, further than your scouts dread to travel. It seems to leave the Divide entirely. The MLA say this isn't their tunnel, but they are interested in where it goes to.

To the Northeast is an intense source of radiation, but it is practically swarming with intense wildlife. Wild, feral tunnelers and even of the glowing variety. Deathclaws. What some robots report as giant insects and other monstrosities all glowing green.

To the southeast, an entire squad of scout bots was annihilated. The green dots of them on the radar simply went black, and there was a fuzzy noise heard on nearby radios. What on earth happened?
-Spy-Eye Bots Squads

The Center appears to be the site of one or several ICBM's exploding, leaving behind a huge mound of nuclear waste. Or perhaps the waste was there and the ICBM's exploded above it. In either case the radiation gets so thick even normal robots go haywire going near, and the Hazard Bots have to limit their exposure to a day at a time before needing to be scrubbed and cleaned and possibly rearmored. But it seems a very bountiful source of fertile material.
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>>1790130
South east. Lead a team of humies, with some scout bots for backup and a team of securitrons waiting in the wings. Bring weapons that operate after an EMP.
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>>1790153
Might want to as anon suggested save that for after the other actions.


>>1789023
--Unfreeze a new guy from alien cryogenics.

CHOOSE:
>--Unfreeze a new guy from alien cryogenics.
Of the people you previously searched, you have left:
>A man in a black coat and black hat with old looking sunglasses. He has a black sash and around his neck is a black collar with a piece of white in the middle. He has that black book that Joshua has!

>A man in a pair of blue overalls, with a wide brimmed hat over his head. He has a pair of hedge trimmers and a farming hoe, you see a bag of what you can guess is seeds because its spilling some of them. His hands are gloved.

>A very fine dressed man with several pairs of microphones, and some kind of thick headphones around his head. He's holding several holotapes, and has thick black sunglasses.

Though of course, you could also try and search for more.
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>>1790153
Supporting.

QM, so the tunnelling robot needs more dedicated research action essentially?
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>>1790192
>A very fine dressed man with several pairs of microphones, and some kind of thick headphones around his head. He's holding several holotapes, and has thick black sunglasses.
Cultural victory here we come
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>>1790192
>A very fine dressed man with several pairs of microphones, and some kind of thick headphones around his head. He's holding several holotapes, and has thick black sunglasses.
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>>1790199
Yeah its a work in the making, its just nobody has any previous experience with it.
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>>1790192
>Search for more
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>>1790210
>>1790211
2 for this
>>1790217
1 for this
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>>1790213
Fair fair, unrelated question. How close is our book to being finished?
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>>1790234
>>Search for more
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>>1790153
Supporting

>>1790210
>>1790211
I kind of want to see if there is more. If not I will go with dressed man
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>>1790245
Honestly its as finished as you want it to be, just spend an action to publish it and preferably if you can go through the archives to link what you want in it.

I'd have to trawl through the archives to find out otherwise but that would be tedious.
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>>1790264
Do you not save these things in notepads QM?
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>>1790278
I should but in between updating each new turn and my IRL responsibilities it slipped through my mind.
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>>1790280
Alright, here's what i could find in short notice.


>Why the American way of life? What defines America or being an American.
The original American way of life was one of hard work, equal opportunity and the feeling that you wanted the life of your children to be better than your own. People would come from all over the world so that they could each live out their own version of the "American Dream" In this day and age, that may seem like fanciful thinking but we are making the old American dream a reality. We seek to imbue within our citizens a desire for continuous improvement of the body, mind, skills and virtuous character, that every American has a duty to make themselves and their community better. It is my hope that Americans will pursue a stoic development of themselves.

If you happen to be reading this book, and you feel down on your luck, or that your safety is in question, or if you want a better life for yourself or your children - feel free to come visit and take in the sights. Our nation has a place for you, so long as you are willing to put in the work to make it your own.

>What is your model of government and why do you support it:
An Enlighted Representative Dictatorship in which the Courier presides over the nation for life as its sole ruler with supreme power. This model allows for long-term strategic planning, short-term decision making and provides a mechanism by which the voice of the people is conveyed.

Our task of governance is supported by a number of elected officials. As our nation gets larger, local elections will be held for town Mayors - when a town has enough population for its own Construction / CIV action. Supervising Mayors would be civilian Regional Governors, who we would appoint personally. The Mayor would appoint his own Sheriff and would be in charge of the town’s police forces, the Governor would be in charge of the National Guard for his region.

Each region would elect a minimum of 2 Senators (more allocated based on population to a max of 10) who would sit under us in a national legislature in New Washington. They would work to draft laws. These are not voted on, but are submitted to the Executor who decides whether to enact them or not.
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>>1790264
I can do that at some point...

Is there anything else 'missing' in it? I mean, we can continue writing about things till the cows come home - but at what point does it mechanically count as 'complete'?
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>>1790283

>>Thoughts on the Old World? On the New World?
>The old world had its flaws. Some citizens among my nation were even alive to see it. The resource wars that ended up with the world we know today, the corruption of the corporations, the inside politics. The old world America, had its ups and downs and eventually the faults won the day, but there is a lot to be learned and replicated. That's why I gave our nation the symbol of the phoenix. We aren't just the old America coming to life again, we are a new America that has learned the mistakes of the past, and seek to better ourselves going forward.

>Your thoughts on the factions of the wasteland:
- The NCR is embarking on the same path as the old Enclave – too focused on ‘racial purity’ and ‘superiority’. This can be seen in their interactions with the tribes. They have lost sight of the American Dream of shared opportunity and prosperity and instead can only picture a world in which a Californian soldier stamps out freedom in the name of purity and order.
- While Rome was an enviable superpower, her time has long since passed. The Legion are backward in seeking to return to these pre-tech times, times during which simple medical ailments were often fatal. This and their genocidal practices render them poor custodians of our shared future.
- The MLA are merely trumped up raiders and radicals, unwilling and unsuited to lead a true united nation.
- BOS tried to aid the wasteland and often succeeded. They should be respected for helping to defeat many threats over the years and for preserving pre-war knowledge and technology. However their hate for outsiders and for general nation building often resulted in their defeat as they were outpaced by the growth of others.
Cont.
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>>1790234
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>>1790286

- The Enclave were a failed dream: a true continuation of the american government of the old world and true, pure, humans untainted by radiation. Yet this fact is also their downfall, as the Enclave's leaders decided that the people of the wastes were too far gone. As much as the supermutants or the ghouls who we shared the wastes with. Thus their decided that they would wipe the wastes of this perceived corruption.
But it must be noted that the people of the Enclave, the soldiers on the ground and all who survived the destruction of their Oil rig, had little if not no knowledge about the intent of the Enclave in regards to the waste. As their leadership didn't share their plans with the grunts, lest they be captured and let their enemies in the wastes know.
These survivors, who the NCR so ruthlessly man-hunted, can't be blamed for the actions of their leaders. Can't be held responsible for the actions of the few who led them and brainwashed them in isolation and controlled all they knew of the wastes. Who they were conditioned over generations to obey without question and were filled with vitriol and hate and certainty that they were right by their leaders. That in such isolation and ignorance, any man could easily fall prey to such treatment.
They were soldiers with orders, with little if not no knowledge of the overall plan. They weren't all genocidal maniacs and many did good for the wastes like, in the case of one, attempting to reverse the radiation's effects on human genetics and thus save the wastelanders. However their leaders saw to snub this project out in due time.
^Show this to Arcade to see if it's fine.

>Some life experiences you've had throughout the Mojave:
- Talk about Mr House and his capitalist ‘paradise’ of New Vegas – a divided society which accepted the poverty of the masses as long as the wealthy elite were appeased
- Talk about our adventure in the Divide, and how we became inspired to forge the PC by looking at the dream that was Hopeville
- Talk about the Vaults and the stories within(Especially Vault 11)
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>>1790298

>Our views on family, community and relationships:
Why do so many communities put the enormous pressure of raising children in this burnt and scarred world on two people? The respect that I have for those who are able to shoulder this burden is enormous, but situation is not common America today for a variety of reasons. Many ‘new’ states search for a new family model, or desperately try and make an old model work – ignoring the new realities of our world. In doing so, they forgo something which has proven to work. The tribal family unit renders every man and woman a distant cousin, every resident a source of support in times of trouble, in times of struggle. A common people, a common goal – an America in which her citizens are bonded not only by blood, but by the phoenix and stripes, tied and taut between every man, woman and child. For those who wish to have their life defined only by their children and spouse than it is their decision, but they can breathe easier knowing that for anything they need help with, everyone will welcome them with open arms.

As our nation is founded on the promise of equal opportunity, is should flow naturally that men and women should be given equal rights and privileges. While our government takes no stance on sexual orientation – it should be universally understood that procreation and child raising are the moral duty of each and every citizen if we are to reclaim our true birthright – a unified America.
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>>1790286
I feel as if we might have to expand on the MLA in the book in light of new information, and to denounce dark cthullu worship.
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>>1790313
Personally i think we should just remove the MLA bit, we're gonna go to war with them soon anyway so might as well prevent any conflict with them now by not calling them Trumped up Raiders.
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>>1790285
You can expect it to be rather like a multivolume series. The first one can be your first musings, and then if something important comes up, you can publish another volume.

Yaunkers book is already two volumes.
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>>1790307
Here's another bit unrelated to this one.

The improvement of humans should also be cultural/social rather than just scientifically, through promoting a genuine desire to improve among the people, our goal should be not just being physically and mentally strong but also having a very wide arrangement of useful skills like cooking, crafting, reading, shooting, swordsmanship, martial arts, wilderness survival and any other stuff. Our goal is to make every person a king not by what they own but how they behave, what they are as a person.

And it is by improving the people that we improve the Nation, because it is the duty of Citizens to contribute to their community and the state in the fashion they believe is best, whether that be teaching others, making tools, researching and inventing or joining the military, and when the people are strong and help each other be better people do they make the nation strong, for the nations strength comes from the people.
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>>1790328
Are we in it?
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>>1790323
I think they're rather fine with that descriptor honestly. At least Niner is.
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>>1790328
When i first came up with the idea of copying Yaunker and writing our own book i planned that it would start and be composed mostly of our various adventure and our thought about them and at the end we explain our reasons and goals for this Nation.
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>>1790331
You begin the first drafts of your own, somewhat autobiographical book, though you've yet to come up with a title you start jotting down some personal ideas.

The Improvement of the Human Race is a major theme. The usage of augments, the acceptance of mutation as part of natures scheme of evolution, and the efforts of science to ever increase the abilities of scope of humanity.

You realize that this may be offputting to any factions or people who are human "purists" particularly the original Enclave, and possibly some elements of the BoS. But it does speak truths about your own ideology.

The Commitment to welfare is also on your agenda, how the state should provide for the human living condition especially in old age.

Last but not least, the effort that New America will make to avoid the mistakes of the old and rise New from the ashes of the Old World.

>>1744762
Possible book title:
>Blood & Iron:
>The Case for an Empire of Liberty

>>1746317
>Economic model
Mix of private enterprise and state control.

Mass replicators and robots render most conventional jobs meaningless, in a post-scarcity way.

The government will guarantee a base living standard by providing housing, food and utilities. If citizens want to work on top of that - say if they enjoy carpentry and make chairs, they can sell them in an open market for money. Through this method we promote good work ethic of refining craftsmanship, inventing and contributing to the community - while allowing for free market of individual luxuries.

Replicators obviously remain under state control; but citizens are allowed to own robots.

>>1746384
Maintain the 2nd amendment

Some weapons should be restricted of course, Super hi-end tech that our military use and AOE weapons like fat men will not be available to the general public. Same with military grade robots. Eventually though, the regulations might be relaxed to allow mil-tech but still no explosive/AOE weapons.
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>>1790393
>The Improvement of the Human Race is a major theme. The usage of augments, the acceptance of mutation as part of natures scheme of evolution, and the efforts of science to ever increase the abilities of scope of humanity.
I don't like this bit, too much focus on scientific ways to improve.
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>>1790393
What about the other amendments? I can see us having the Bill of Rights, first 10 amendments.
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>Fine Dressed Man
Hmmm.

CHOOSE:
>Man of Iron
>Blue Love
>The Rocketeer Man
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>>1790491
>The Rocketeer Man
Space is best
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>>1790491
>>The Rocketeer Man
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>>1790491
>>The Rocketeer Man
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>>1790504
>>1790510
>>1790516
Hmmm, I should have realized you guys would have assumed this has absolutely anything at all to do with space. Kek

I'll give this a bit more time to see if any anon will figure it out and have a personal preference.
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>>1790542
But I like Elton John.

Also don't really get the other references.
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>>1790542
Is this a vote for the name of our book?
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>>1790542
Im thinking rock music
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>>1790547
Heh, so someone did get it.

>>1790557
Better vote then anon.

>>1790554
Nah, its a vote for the guy you're about to unfreeze.
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>>1790565
Yea i just realized.
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>>1790491
>Blue Love
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Technially speaking one of these votes might have an interesting impact on faction relations, but you wouldn't know which one.

Hmmm. If you guys spend your cultural boon, I will also open up additional boon options and reveal who the options are.
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>>1790602
But i'm planning something for the Cultural Boon.
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>>1790602
Well Blue Love is a song by the O'kanes, so country.

Man of Iron is Iron man, Black sabbath.
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>>1790618
Certainly. Course you could always tack it onto a general boon action.
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>>1790635
Are we the Iron Man?
The vengeance from the grave, kills the people he once saved?

Or is that looking too deep at thing? And impact in faction relations is just that MLA like heavy metal?
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>>1790666
That's a nice post number anon
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>>1790602
Switching from blue love to man of iron
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>>1790491
Fuck it.
>The Rocketeer Man
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>>1790491
>Man of Iron
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>>1790675
>>1790703
Why are you anons voting for a music genre that will please the MLA when we plan to go to war with them soon?
If that's why you are voting for metal.
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>>1790491
>Man of Iron
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>>1790725
Well its simple, I don't like the other two
I'm hoping good music shows up, if the others are what I think, They can go die.
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>>1790703
>>1790675
>>1790736
3 for this
>>1790693
>>1790504
>>1790510
>>1790516
4 for this

Actually I have to brb but the thread isn't over for the night.
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>>1790742
>I'm hoping good music shows up, if the others are what I think, They can go die.
What do you think the other 2 are?
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>>1790725
I enjoy rock more than the other options.
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>>1790772
What do you think the Rocketeer man is? I'm drawing a blank.
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>>1790772
Unless one of them happens to be techno

>>1790784
Im thinking its an elton John song Rocket Man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Man_(song)
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>>1790784
He might enjoy the harder rocks. Just a matter of taste.
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So anons when are we going to take care of the problem of having too much bramin? The herd don't get that much bigger staying here.

If only we have a airspace to go to Utah, with the cows
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Back writing
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>>1790820
let the population cook some?
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>>1790970
It is almost founding day.

---

Unfreezing the man, you almost feel adept at this. You expect him to be in a little bit of shock, worried, or aloof.

You've actually prepared a room specifically for this, of replicated Old World style, to help give them a bit of time to recover.

The man explains himself as Jonathan Atley. A musician by trade. You haven't heard of him, so either he must be very old or wasn't very famous before the war. You give the man time to recover, and allow Jacob, Janith and the others help him recover from both the alien abduction and the state of the world.
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Going to be writing up the rest of the turn now, just checking in are my anons here?
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>>1791032
Yes.
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>>1790283
Also thanks anon!
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>>1791032
Yes
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>>1791032
Yes
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>--Check up on Joshua and New Canaan to make sure they are alright.
You fly once more to New Canaan, where it is always a pleasure to see such a green and peaceful place that seems to be unchanged by time.

The Dead Horses and Sorrows continue to live, and train, being ready for war though war is safely kept away from their doorstep. Perhaps you have Niner to thank for it. or Caesar.

>Joshua Graham
"It is always with fondness and respect we welcome you Courier. The times and signs are strange, but your visits are a pleasant surprise."

Meanwhile, at the Staircase, at New Zion, Daniel also welcomes you back as well as your follower.

They had been expecting you to come back to pick up the water or offer up a trade action but neither never came after your first run, but they definitely appreciate you stationing the good doctor who has been a major blessing.

Your follower seems to have become something of a native, and has adopted well to the region, in fact, you find he has converted to the Nailed God faith in only a year.

>Ask someone something
>Offer a trade deal
>Other?
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>>1791120
>follower guy
So how do you find the nailed god religion? What principles do they have?

Do you get power from it?
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>>1791120
>Other?
Go talk with the BoS

>>1791137
Supporting
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>>1791120
Did we tell them about the MLA city in North Utah yet?
Let's take this time to pick up on Daniel's offer and learn about the Nailed God.
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>>1791137
>So how do you find the nailed god religion?
"Having studied a religion from archives one thing, but I never believed in it. Now that I see what it truly means, I believe.

I feel myself very much at ease and my purpose strengthened by it."

>What principles do they have?
"Jesus Christ was much like us, the Followers I mean. He went around healing the sick, helping those in need, and spreading good information to all those who would listen. He didn't charge anyone for it, or expected anything in return. In fact, he gave up all that he had, his own life, to save the whole world from sin.

The Mormons embed their religious faith and intertwine it with the way they live. This makes them a kind and honest people, hardworking but generous, as Christ and Joseph Smith would have it.

We are repopulating the world here. I myself am fiance'd to two women who have also recently converted. And one day, in the after world, if we stay true to good deeds and good faith, we will meet with Jesus in Heaven to be as him, and lords over our own worlds to populate as well."

>Do you get power from it?
"I get the power of purpose and meaning to my life. If you're asking if I have any magical powers no. Only Jesus and his original apostles had that."
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>>1791153
>Did we tell them about the MLA city in North Utah yet?
What do you wish to tell them?

>Let's take this time to pick up on Daniel's offer and learn about the Nailed God.
Anyone else wish to support?
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>>1791195
>>1791153
Or rather, specifically what do you want to tell them about Utah and the MLA.
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>>1791195
>What do you wish to tell them?
That they're there and that they are very strong Raiders.
Maybe about the evil Elder god too if anons support it.
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>>1791201
sure I support that.

>>1791186
If men take more then one wife, what happens in a generation, when the amount of men and women become equal?
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>>1791208
Both or just the Elder god thing?
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>>1791214
both.
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>>1791201
why not
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>>1791201
Sure
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>>1791208
"It isn't absolutely necessary to take more than one wife, but it is encouraged. It is in many cases practical for the community, and not so different from some other tribes I have studied."

>>1791201
>>1791214
>Daniel
"I find it hard to believe Courier, but I can tell you aren't lying. . . . We had known New Jerusalem was lost to us, though that was very long ago and many of us were not yet born. To see that its become such a den of evil and sin is very saddening and worrisome.

If there are evil demons out there, I can only pray and hope for God's deliverance from them.

It may be that judgement day is upon us if what you say is true"

>Joshua Graham
"Ill news from ill tidings. Some of the Shamans of the tribes speak of having nightmares or hearing ill whispers on the night winds.

'Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.'

It is not in our part to venture out of Zion but to defend it with even greater diligence. May God grant you his blessing against this menace, but we are resigned to defend the home we have found."
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>>1791271
>What do
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>>1791277
Maybe we should get a missionary, to spread the word of Christ to our people. Can't worship a dark god if you're already worshipping.
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>>1791277
Did we learn about the Nailed God? If so let's move on to BoS.
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>>1791312
Not yet, I just wanted to see if more anons would support that.
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>>1791318
Support getting the crash course in JC superstar? I'll support that.
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>>1791331
That makes 2, just need one more.
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>>1791338
Do it

JC should hook us up with the Elder god not being able to take our soul
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>>1791338
Fuck it tell me about Jesus.
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>>1791354
All you need to know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PXaJxzuDE
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writing
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We should trade them some weapons for them to defend themselves with. Some better 2nd line stuff that we have.
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>>1791403
Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Some military grade stuff. Not the civilian stuff they would have.
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>>1791423
Should we offer integration?
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>>1791467
With us? not now. We don't have a presence yet, nor do we have strong enough relations.
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You get a crash course in the Nailed God faith. Daniel actually corrects you, the term is "Christianity" based off Christ, or Christ Jesus (Jesus Christ?). His name is interchangeable that way. Christ is actually more like a title, meaning 'Savior', while Jesus is his name.

He begins by teaching you the basic tenants of the faith.

>-We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

You ask if they believe in one God or three. Daniel says they are the "Godhead", three distinct beings with their own bodies, or spirit in the Holy Ghost's case, but all of them form the Godhead.

[Int 7] it strikes you that it bears a resemblance to the Think Tank. There are five scientist brains, each distinct and separate, but they all form "The" Think Tank.

Daniel says thats an excellent analogy. He wished he could use it to teach tribals but they'd be confused by the disembodied brains.

>con't
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>>1791495
>Daniel says thats an excellent analogy. He wished he could use it to teach tribals but they'd be confused by the disembodied brains.
Use an analogy of 3 men instead, each their own individual but together they act as the greatest chief possible and lead the tribe with great wisdom.
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>>1791540
Lets not sow those seeds just yet. Lets at least find Ulysses first.
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>>1791554
Wow, that was not intentional, Ulysses and Joshua were the furthest from my mind when i wrote that.
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>>1791495
>We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. . ."

He did everything pretty much in seven days. Light and dark, clouds and oceans, sun moon and stars, . . .Man was created on the sixth day and on the seventh he rested.

Adam was the very first man on Earth, and Eve was the first woman. And things were pretty good. Life was peaceful, perfect, without evil and without sin.

God had placed two trees in the garden. One of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and one of Eternal Life. Adam and Eve were innocent, not knowing what good or evil was. God had forbidden them from eating the fruit of the first tree.

Eve was tricked by a talking serpent, the Devil in disguise, who fooled her and convinced her to eat the tree against God's wishes. Then she herself convinced Adam to also disobey god and eat of the fruit. Together, they both became the first sinners and were evicted from the garden.

As a consequence of this, Adam and Eve and their race did not partake in the fruit of eternal life, and were doomed to die. As well, by gaining the knowledge of Good and Evil, so did humanity. All men have the choice, or the 'Agency', to choose between good and evil. No one is punished for Adam's sin, anymore than Adam was punished for the sins of others or the sins of Eve.

Every man must make a choice between Good and Evil in all things they do, and the responsibility and consequence for this is their own.

---
You are immediately reminded of some of the arguments revolving Enclave soldiers, how they performed evil acts but claimed innocent as only "following orders" by those who told them what to do.

You wonder what to think of all this. You yourself have made so many choices in life.
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>>1791577
>eve was the first woman.

You fucker. That was lilith and she was castes out for disobeying God and adam. Hence why even was made from man's rib and not the thing Adam was.
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>>1791611
Doesn't Lilith first appear in Isaiah? Were does the first woman created thing come up?
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>>1791577
>We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
>We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second Repentance; third Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
All men do sin, one way or another, whether it is the first white lie of a little child or murder itself. This puts man away from god, brings misery to mortal life, and will incur just punishment in the afterlife. Repenting of sins and evil acts, and accepting God and the words of his son, saves man from the punishment of sin in the afterlife and elevates him to the glories of heaven if he continues to be a good and honest person and follows the ordinances of the Gospel: Belief in Jesus, repentance of sin, baptism in water as a ritual to remit one of sins, and laying on of hands - a priest places their hand upon the convert and invokes the blessing of the Holy Spirit.

---

Daniel finishes his first session, and wants to know what you think so far?

>How do you feel?
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>>1791643
Its Interesting. Im trying not to bring my own faith into an argument vs the mormons, but its interesting.
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>>1791630
Ignore my outburst. Being a nerd got me there.

>>1791643
Its..interesting and kinda helps enforce this whole..pskyer thing going on with the dark gods also showing up.


When you have a mouth to scream but its all meta and the big C would't know.
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>>1791643
very interesting. We should see about getting a missionary.
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>>1791676
Would be interesting to see how they and the Hubs interact.
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>>1791665
>>1791672
>>1791676
You tell him you found it "interesting" and he says thats a better response than he usually gets. If you are still interested, he has more lessons to teach though at a different time as he has other duties to attend to.

>Stay over for a while and learn more about Mormonism
>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
>Other?
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>>1791744
>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
Things to do, people to see.
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>>1791744
>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
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>>1791744
>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
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>>1791744
>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
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>>1791744
>>Off to the Brotherhood of Steel!
I kind of have my own bias on Mormonism
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>>1791797
Well of the christian sects, Mormonism is pretty much the black sheep, and for good reasons. If we could get a Lutheran or Episcopalian priest, I would be be good with that.
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>>1791806
Don't need to tell me twice.
I studied the Christian sects, and Mormons think Jesus and the Devil are brothers. I know the smaller, not really talked about stuff
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>>1791763
>>1791754
>>1791752
>>1791797
You fly off east, over the mountains of Zion, to Cheyenne Mountain, where the Brotherhood's Air Force hails you once you fly within range of their radar.

>General Barnaky
"Greetings Brother Paladin Courier, we have detected your aircraft flying over our airspace. Please land at the designated landing zone."

You land, and once more one of the General's robots greets you.

>General Barnaky
"Welcome back, Courier. We were not expecting your return so soon. Do you have any good news from your Chapter?"

>What do

>>1791797
>>1791814
This will be a fun experience then anon.
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>>1791834
No news of our chapter, but we have thought about starting trade of tech.
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>>1791834
No news just yet. How goes your campaign against the MLA?
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>>1791850
>Trading tech
"If it is weapons and equipment you need to continue the search for the Midwestern Brotherhood, then you may report to the armory. Though you will have to exchange your bottleaps for Brotherhood scrips.

If you mean about the village you have established to protect, I would like to visit it myself to ensure its security. I was considering sending Brotherhood personell there as well."

>>1791854
"The Campaign has taken an unlikely turn. For many years I and the Legion have kept our distance from each other, Caesar's focus was on the west. Mine was on the Mutants. We will come to blows at a different time.

But, the great city of Denver, known to some as "Dog City" not far from this mountain, had for a long time been a Legion stronghold and power in the area. My scouts reported that they had abandoned the city entirely, taking what soldiers and population they had there west for reasons I do not yet know. I am in the works of sending my forces to occupy the city before the MLA does. If it works, I will have a new fortified area and base of operations from which to strike at the MLA, as well as the resources of the city."
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>>1791889
Its late and Im not all here right now, but how does Our city stack up to Brotherhood Ideology QM?
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>>1791897
I'd love for you anons to find that out IC. If not by actually asking the General, then you'll definitely learn if you invite him.
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>>1791889
Cesear is getting desperate. the NCR is bleeding them dry. I guess they need all hands on deck.

We are willing to trade science with science.

OOC, do we know that he is a brain in a jar?
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>>1791897
Badly with the mutants around.
We definitely can't have him visit.
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>>1791897
On the Mutant Question, not well. Everywhere else, pretty good. We're too nice to the mutants, not enslaving them and such.
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>>1791902
Didnt the Niner mention the Brotherhood having their own Mutants now though?
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>>1791897
>>1791900
>>1791902
Are anons alright giving a info dump about the MLA to the BoS. About them having help with the Elder god, and they are slavers, eating humans, and a general info about how strong they are?

>>1791905
More like don't kill them on slight, have them separated from humans, and they work a bit harder. Still allow to live out the rest of there days, if they are loyal.
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>>1791889
I want to mention their being a more profitable trade similar to that of two nations, but I wont without other anons agreement
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>>1791908
>Are anons alright giving a info dump about the MLA to the BoS. About them having help with the Elder god, and they are slavers, eating humans, and a general info about how strong they are?

Sure, why not
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>>1791915
>>1791908
2 for this
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>>1791905
i thought they already had supermutants? They keep them in labor gulags.
>>1791908
>Are anons alright giving a info dump about the MLA to the BoS. About them having help with the Elder god, and they are slavers, eating humans, and a general info about how strong they are?
Actually no, giving him too much information will make the MLA suspicious about who gave him the information, i'll agree to tell him about the Elder god though.
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>>1791908
sure.

If we knew he was a brain in a jar, we could probably try to convince him he is more removed from humanity than the mutants. Also that he is going against the Warrior, who saved him, provided the Warrior was good karma.
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>>1791905
>>1791908

They are worked to death at labor camps.

This brotherhood is the reason MLA exists.. I have no idea how it survived for 80 years though
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>>1791931
>They are worked to death at labor camps.
They was MLA bias. you got to know who is saying what. MLA would say they are worked to death, but it could be misinformation of just being separated and just worked harder due to be able to resist rads and stronger in the case of super mutants.
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>>1791943
We should probably get a tour of his facilities then. Mutual disclosure if anything else.
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We could use the culture boon to convince him to take different stance on mutants and ghouls then there would not be any big ideological differences to ally with them.
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>>1791923
Seriously, do not tell the BoS abut the MLA's strength, we cannot afford to be on the MLA's bad side right now.
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>>1791950
We could do that after taking a tour of his lands like >>1791949 suggests then.
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>>1791943
Well, gassing tribals by NCR could also be bias but people are eager to eat that up.

Actually, iirc, in fallout tactics this ending does make labor death camps for mutants and ghouls
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>>1791950
Forewarning that, as a reminder, Boons cannot do the impossible. They simply provide a massive boost. Otherwise you could just use a boon to have Caesar or Yaunker agree that the return of America is the best thing since the return of sliced bread. It's not mind control.

However, it can have other beneficial effects depending on the action used. And I will outright state when it cant be used for something.
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>>1791951
How will they find out. We can probably get the general to act with discretion when it comes to our intel.
And we won't tell them anything super incriminating. Just about how they have plans to strike at the NCR, through tunnel networks, and worship dark gods which give them strength. That sort of stuff.
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>>1791961
Can we use it to convinse the General not to persecute Mutants?
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>>1791968
>Can we use it to convinse the General not to persecute Mutants?
I think the best we can do, is to accept mutants after we find the cure of mutantism
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>>1791968
No. Though there may be some interesting alternatives if you are clever enough.
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>>1791965
>How will they find out. We can probably get the general to act with discretion when it comes to our intel.
As long as they have a cult full of powerful psychers capable of tricking even us i don't want to give any information to their enemies until we're ready to defend ourselves.
>And we won't tell them anything super incriminating. Just about how they have plans to strike at the NCR, through tunnel networks, and worship dark gods which give them strength. That sort of stuff.
That seems like very simple information that he would already know seeing as he's at war with them.
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>>1791975
Ah well, that's a shame.
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>>1791975
He's a brain in a jar. He doesn't have a claim to humanity anymore, nor the codex, as he literally betrayed his elder. Can we work with that to make him more receptive of mutants?
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>>1791975
What about proving there value
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>>1791985
>He's a brain in a jar. He doesn't have a claim to humanity anymore
It's funny because technically speaking by that merit neither do you or your brain. Or the Think Tank. And thats a bit contrary to elements written in your unpublished book.

>>1791994
You're getting a bit warmer, but no cigar.
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>>1791996
What about showing that all wastelanders, including BoS members have a little bit of FEV and radiation in them, therefore making them mutants too?
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>>1791996
I meant in a "pure human" sense. He claims to be against the mutant, but he's is further from baseline normal than any mutant.

We can always rat to him about zetans, and how they are a threat to the entire world, one that requires a united front.
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>>1791996
What about simple resettlement from their territories where we will accept them into our nation ?

NO more kill on sight against mutants and humans who are against his policies.

Also, maybe mentioning us trying to find ways to bring their humanity back.
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>>1792007
>He claims to be against the mutant, but he's is further from baseline normal than any mutant.
Again by which merits? Being a disembodied brain?

Well, more and more of your people including yourself are like that. Notwithstanding your ludicrous amount of other mutations, Would you say all of your people are further away from human than a Super Mutant?

I'm mostly doing this in your benefit obviously all of this is OOC, but he'll know about your teachings should he ever visit.
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>>1792011
Also mention that the reason MLA keeps existing is because his policies fuel MLA with new people.
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>>1792016
Yes. Which is my point. He can't simultaneously fight against the mutant, while being as removed from normality as he is. If he can accept himself, there is no reason not to accept mutants as being capable.

Or we can use MArcus's story involving Jacob the Paladin and their mutual realizationon the futility of racism.
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We had sizable super mutant population living alongside with humans for like 5 years and not a single incident has taken place from either side. So that's something we can use as evidence that mutants and humans can coexist
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>>1792030
Hold it.
What are you saying?
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>>1792030
I'd advise posing this in IC dialogue to get a clearer picture of the Generals view on this.
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>>1792030
IC we don't even know he is a brain in a jar so that line of reasoning is moot.
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>>1792037
He's against mutants, He is essentially a mutant. He should let the hate go.
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>>1792016

OOC unless supported.

Layout that Humanity itself isn't the basis of whether someone is worth keeping around or not.

There are plenty of humans that are complete dicks and not worth keeping around.

Layout that Mutants of any size, as long as they seek to better themselves and to be productive members of society deserve to have a chance to do so. They deserve to have a quality of life that isn't terrible.

Layout that with the miracle of FEV science, that even severe mutations could potentially be reversed for those that wish to undergo the procedure.

In a world that's torn to absolute shit, with raiders/Nazis/Roman soldiers everywhere, Racism is really the last thing we need.

And if he still has a problem with it, then Fuck him. Hes exactly the kind of people that perpetuates this endless cycle of killing.
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>>1792046
But you're also implying we're a mutant, and so is everyone else who got debrained too.
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General sacrificed himself to protect humanity. Taking shit on his sacrifice is not going to make him us friend.
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>>1792057
Which as anon pointed out, is OOC to you if I'm not mistaken
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>>1792054
So we're the same as him. If he isn't against his own existence, he can't really be against ours without some high levels of cognitive dissonance.

>>1792040
Ask him about why we don't talk face to face. After retrieving the tags from Texas, we should be owed that courtesy if possible.
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>>1792040
What about this QM? >>1792003
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>>1792050
Also evil god worshipping death cultists. Can't forget about those.
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>>1792065
A great point.
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>>1792050
And actual aliens abducting people to commit sex crimes. And murder.
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>>1792060
Yeah, we can ask to meet with him. We might learn a way to keep brain in jars from going batshit insane.
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>>1792060
>So we're the same as him. If he isn't against his own existence, he can't really be against ours without some high levels of cognitive dissonance.
Somethings fishy about the logic here and I can't quite put my finger on it.

I think it has to do with the premise that he's a supermutant because your human people are also supermutants because they don't have brains.
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>>1792050
>>1792065
>>1792072
3 for this, anyone else?
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>>1792072
Also a great point.

Also mention that if they meet a man named Oddball, to shoot him first and ask questions later.

We really should also work on educating our Supers. Incorporate those that want to serve into the military, or the construction corp that we haven't build yet/plan on building. Put them through schooling.
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>>1792079
Wait we're saying this now? It's such an inappropriate time for that!
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>>1792082
Meant to spoiler that. Do not actually mention oddball
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>>1792079
Maybe not right now. Let's visit him and his lands first.
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>>1792075
It's not about him being a super mutant. it's that he's not the pure, uncorrupted human that he fights for.
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>>1792079
Alright to show that mutants have value, we have to show them the super mutant brain we pulled out. He will see that if you can get the brain out, you will get a human from it, that can recall there past human life.
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>>1792085
>>1792089
Oh okay, then clarify what it is you want to do.

>>1792091
mhm. alright, speak with him IC if you wish to start this.
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>>1792072
>>1792065
>>1792050
Supporting
>>1792079
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>>1792097
Ask to speak to him in person and to see his holdings. Get a better idea of his brotherhood.
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>>1792094
But there's also brains that have had FEV injected straight into them, what about those supermutants?
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>>1792098
NO! It's inappropriate timing!
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>>1792098
not now. we need to see his actual treatment of mutants and how his people live.
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>>1789177
>>1789782
>>1789728
Hey QM, what does the MAJOR think of this anon's drawing and proposal?

>>1789807
>>1789889
>>1789933
It can be made into one. This is like a production model.

>>1792098
Nope, not now.
>>1792104
>>1791977
>>1789120
Yeah. We need to at least get psychic protection before we start leaking too much, and securing our borders against the MLA still under the Divide.
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>>1792100
Ill support this
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>>1792127
>>>1792098
>>1792097
Meant to link to this.
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>>1792100
>Ask to speak to him in person
"For safety reasons, I cannot allow that."

>to see his holdings
"If you wish, I may direct you to find shelter in one of our nearby Outposts or Brotherhood Bunkers."
>Bunker Alpha - The official military capital of the Midwestern Brotherhood
>Freeport - The Largest settlement, next to Brotherhood Alpha
>Newton, the city of the Brotherhood Reavers. It is the closest of the Brotherhoods non-military human settlements west
>Junction City is a bit in the middle

There are other locations, he shows them to you (except the ones in red)

"What would be your purpose?"
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>>1792152
>"For safety reasons, I cannot allow that."
What would convince you otherwise?

>>Bunker Alpha - The official military capital of the Midwestern Brotherhood
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>>1792152
Freeport
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>>1792164
"I can only allow those most trustworthy to the brotherhood and myself to my personal location. This protects against potential assassination attempts of which I am all too familiar with."
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>>1792169
1 for this
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>>1792169
Sure why not
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>>1792152
What do we want to look at?
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>>1792192
I want to get a sense of their civilization outside of third party gossip.

How their citizens live and interact, and whatnot.
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Anyone else going to vote / still up?
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>>1792200
Yeah, just want to see how their society is.
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Eh might as well go with two.

Writing!
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>>1792200
>>1792210
Sounds good.
>>1792211
>Bunker Alpha - The official military capital of the Midwestern Brotherhood
then
>Freeport - The Largest settlement, next to Brotherhood Alpha
>>1791923
>>1791943
>>1791960
Would work, I think. Could we look at their segregation camps to see how they're treating them?
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going to be away for a bit, thread isn't dead. Stay tuned I'm surprisingly awake tonight.
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You fly over the lands of the Midwestern Brotherhood, headed to the city of Freeport, and escorted by General Barnaky's drones. On the ground, you see roads and little settements, and the more you travel east you find rivers surrounded by green, like little branches, extending from larger rivers and channels. The further east you go, the more green there is and the less wasteland, until amazingly you come to vast plains and fields of green and farms, all from great big irrigation canals that lead to one place. You think it is an ocean and you miscalculated, but it turns out to be a HUGE lake where water is being channeled from, and you see a large city down below.
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>>1792127
Don't think my drawing did anything.
But I don't want major to design yet another bot.

We should switch all of our securitons to tanktrons. They might be twice as expensive but I'm sure they are ten times as effective.
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>>1792251
The Major will assess it when you do a securitron action.
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>>1792252
Neat.
>>1792251
We're still going to need some cannon fodder units to cover the ground though. Do we have any designs planned for that?
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>>1792257
You can always commission the ZAX
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>>1792252
Unless it becomes a direct upgrade to tanktron, I'd prefer to not have yet another separate bot. God knows we have enough robot designs already.
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>>1792251
I disagree on making the our main troops, too expensive and they serve much better as officers supported by their squad.
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>>1792257
For cannon fodder we should go with our light design. Could also be used for police with different paint job and weapons.
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>>1792261
That's not really an argument I think. I mean the expensive part. Having one tanktron fitted with command AI, hardware and equipment per squad is a good idea though.
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You land, and smell the air. It smells fresh.

Almost.

Something foul is upon the wind. The smell of green grass and city life is strong, but your acute senses direct you to a different smell.

Rotting flesh.

There, on a hill before the town, something you were not expecting in this green and grassy place.

Crosses.

Occupied crosses.

For a moment you almost wondered where you were, until you saw what those crosses held.

Most of the bones are old and dead. But what bones there are surprise you. Some of the crosses are huge, shaped like an X, with similarly upscaled, deformed skeletons nailed to them.

You see that a few of them are occupied. Dead supermutants, ghouls, and human corpses line them. Most are in raider armor, some are not. A scant few are alive.

This field of crosses sits in front of the city, for all to see.
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>>1792271
I feel like we are going to be at war for a long long time. Jesus christ, No faction seems to be decent so far.
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>>1792271
Freeport is not as large as NCR, not by a long shot, but it clearly shows the development of a society that is 80+ years old with good irrigation and the watchful hand of the Brotherhood.

You estimate at least 10 thousand people live here, likely more. It is peaceful and well orderly, farmers tend the fields and drive tractors around, a town militia works alongside Brotherhood paladins on guard, while recruits are exercising on a training yard.

The whole town has a very paramilitary feel to it, much like the Chinese but on a grander scale, though curiously you see no Supermutants and no Ghouls. Only humans.

CHOOSE:
>Head for the Barracks
>Head for the Tavern
>Head for the Town Hall
>Head for what looks like a Church
>Other?
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>>1792295
>Head for the Tavern
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>>1792295
Im sturggling to stay woke, You have a god night qm
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>>1792295
>Head for the Tavern
Alcohol makes for more honest conversation
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>>1792311
Same here this is as good a time as any to pass out. night
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>>1792251
I disagree. Their intensive cost makes them ideal as a "line breaker" or specialist unit to combat infantry but not as effective for massed infantry roles since they would be so expensive. Fact is our current models are quite sufficient for military purposes in regards to fighting our potential enemies, we just need more is the problem.

>>1792263
We should really see how many of them we can produce. They'd be quite useful for scouting and shit too.

>>1792286
It's almost as if people are willing to abandon morals for the survival of their people and their beliefs.
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>>1792324
If that were the case you wonder what sort of morals the Raiders 'abandoned'.

Hilariously, the Cult seems to have improved their adherence to their word and contracts.
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>>1792356
To be frank the MLA and the Legion are the most morally consistent factions besides ourselves we've encountered. They might not have started off with the best morals but their logic for their morals is sound and they've not lowered themselves or their standards further.

>Hilariously, the Cult seems to have improved their adherence to their word and contracts.
Quite true but that is to be expected when your word suddenly is keeping you from a dark god eating your soul and shit.


Also do you mind answering a few questions regarding our "skeletal" light combat robot?
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>>1792263
Sounds good. Is that the light design you're suggesting? The lighter, more humanoid designs would be ideal for urban combat, light infantry, and tunnel combat.
Also they'd be perfect for that humanoid robot propaganda poster some anon posted, if we ever get around to those.

Thinking about it, an ideal design for claustrophobic quarters would be a dwarvish robot.

>>1792267
>5th generation goes entirely to robots.
Right, but in that case it's noted there were far smaller operations, which made it easier to manage the few yet elite units.

>>1792271
>>1792286
>>1792324
>tfw we're one of the best hopes for the wasteland, but our culture game is too weak to capitalize on it.

>>1792324
Indeed.
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>>1792364
>tfw we're one of the best hopes for the wasteland, but our culture game is too weak to capitalize on it.
Eh, given another 20 turns we'll have either became a powerhouse or we'll have came to understand just how weak we actually are.

We're gonna start snowballing with the materials from the Divide and Loaders can function as combat robots so just building them will work towards the goal of conquering the NV area.
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>>1792364
>tfw we're one of the best hopes for the wasteland, but our culture game is too weak to capitalize on it.
Culture is just one of the many things we need to work on - but I do agree.

Hopefully developing our book will help this.

We could even read passages over the airwaves to attract new settlers.
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>>1792356
Hey QM can we retroactively say that we gave our Follower an encrypted radio of some sort to keep us in touch with the situation at Zion? I don't want to go back there so soon and it seems like such a petty thing to forget and do. Pretty pls with a cherry on top?
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>>1792452
Actually we'll probably end up paying them a visit again soon so we can set up a teleporter pad and power source.
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You pass by many humanoid looking robots. These appear very very asldvanced, clearly old world tech by their age and make, but not of models you've seen before. They are much taller than securitrons or power armored men, as tall as super mutants actually, and their weaponry is the typical old world models but heavy energy or conventional ammo. Miniguns, plasma casters, that sort of thing. They also have blades attached to their arms for melee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EnlRFNQGas&spfreload=10

The Brotherhood tavern, one of many in the city, feels just like any other in the wasteland. No Mr. New Vegas or CBC, but a player piano restored from 300 years ago like many other bars out there. Playing the same saloon tunes they might have well been playing in the days of "cow"boys long ago.

If they have a radio channel it's clearly not the type to relax to.

Asides that the same soldiers drink the same drinks and eat the same foods. Gecko, iguana, squirrel, and Brahman. Figuring up the exchange rate from bottle caps to BOS script and noting the prices you find food is cheap here therefore it must be plentiful. You can buy a nice loaf of bread for a handful of bottlecaps. Ostensibly the script have the same inflationary prices as the NCR dollar does. You wonder why when money becomes more trustworthy it tends to buy less, yet people own more.

Most of the people here aren't wearing fancy NCR fashion, just your typical wasteland er outfits. There are a number of Tribals in the room, you can tell by the tattoos and jewelry they wear.

>Listen in for rumors about the war
>Listen in for rumors about Supermutants and Ghouls
>Listen in for rumors about General Barnaby
>[Ladykiller] find something pretty, a nice bed, and have a good time doing the horizontal mambo
>Other?
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>>1792578
>Listen in for rumors about Supermutants and Ghouls
>Listen in for rumors about General Barnaby
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>>1792578
All the rumours.
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>>1792596
Supporting
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>>1792596
>>1792598
Yeah... What did you expect, OP?
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>>1792605
Roll me a 1d100 best of three
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>1792616
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Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>1792616
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Rolled 11 (1d100)

>>1792616
Inb4 nat 1
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back, writing
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>>1792621
>Listen in for rumors about Supermutants and Ghouls
You do what you find best for listening in on rumors.

You sit down, order a drink, and listen.

You notice a group of Brotherhood Junior Paladins and Paladins. They aren't in power armor or regular armor, but you can see their rank. They appear to be drinking together in mourning of someone.

"How many times did he save our assess. How many victories did we get just because he was there."

"Dammit! I should have done something. . .maybe if I had just- . . .just"

"It wasn't your fault Haley. Remember that. We were out of Rad-X and Radaway. He knew the risk, we all did. He chose to complete the mission, at all cost. He was just the unlucky one."

"Hard to imagine what it would be like without him leading us."

"He was an example to us all. How a Paladin should be. Every time we fight from now on, fight as if he were still at our shoulder."

They raise their glasses.

"To McDonnagan."

"To McDonnagan."

As they drink a toast, you decide to make your move. You couldn't help but overhear that they were mourning someone. You are new in town, a paladin from a different chapter who as far as you are aware are all dead too (mostly. Maybe). They offer you a seat, and you ask to hear the story of the one that passed away.

They were Paladins on a mission under Paladin commander Ernest McDonnagan. They had known him for many decades, some of them were his initiates back when he was still a Knight. They talk of his bravery, his skill in battle, how General Barnaky himself decorated him for valour.
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>>1792833
It was on their last mission, they were infiltrating an MLA complex, an old Nuclear Waste facility used as a bunker. They had a mission to capture or kill a high ranking MLA leader that was going to leave that same day, but they were low on Rad-X and Radaway on the way there. They were outnumbered, out gunned, and at a disadvantage. But his orders game from the very top, and he stuck true to them, knowing the risk. They succeeded, blowing up the facility despite the enemy force and capturing the MLA leader.

It wasn't until many days later that he had found out. His skin began to peel, his voice begun to change. He knew what was happening to him. Before it got any worse, he reported himself to High Command.

They gave him leave to spend time with his wife and children, one last time. He told his squad his goodbyes, and reported for Honorable Discharge.

You ask what they mean by Honorable Discharge. In your chapter, Paladins and Paladins for life, even after they grow old they simply take up teaching or less intensive duties. There is no means to discharge someone with honors nor would anyone want to.

They tell you you are lucky that your chapter hasn't had any cases of mutation then. What they mean is, he was Honorably Discharged by an Energy Weapon Firing Squad, done the General himself via his robots.

He chose to be Honorably Discharged, rather than go on a Penance Mission or worse, disgrace himself by fleeing for his life.

McDonnagan did his duty even to the very end.

"Sic Semper Mutatis. Thus and always to mutants."
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>>1792840
Thats despicable. We could at that to our trade negotiations? Have those that would be discharged given the option to be exiled to our nation instead?
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>>1792860
Yup. Phrase it as not letting valuable experience and talent go to waste- A loyal mutant is still worthy to be part of the cause.
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>>1792840
So he was turning into a ghoul?
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>>1792870
Yes. Currently there is no cure for Ghoulism or way to stop it from progressing once it is noticed.
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>>1792872
We'll find a way... Someday
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>>1792621
>>Listen in for rumors about General Barnaky
Barnaky is idolized by the Brotherhood here. He lead the Brotherhood back when they were just one single bunker, when Freeport was still a raider shithole. He fought side by side with the Warrior against raiders, mutants, against the machine menace. Even after he was captured and his body carved away, he fought on as a Brain in a robot body.

He and the Warrior fought together to defeat the Calculator, and then inserted his own Brain into the machine, becoming one with it. Since then, and after the mysterious disappearance of the Brotherhood Elders, he assumed control and under his wisdom and guidance the Brotherhood not only stood firm against the legions of Raiders and scum still out there, but flourished, bringing tribes and peoples under its banner.

The war was hard. The first 40 years itself was spent simply pacifying the region and growing a power base to unify the land entirely. It was an unfortunate consequence but the Warrior was so good, he had destroyed so many robots there wasn't a lot for the General to work with. Only through the combined power of both the Brotherhood personell and his robots were they able to fight the never ending battle against mutation and raider scum.

It was a hard fought campaign. Ugly and brutal, and it had to be. The MLA were like radroaches, kill one and three more take its place. Most tribes are good and are a major source of recruits, and efforts to civilize them with science and education go well.

But too often other tribes were culprits, some of them refused to abandon cannibalism, or unnatural and cruel rituals. As the Brotherhood grew so too did the MLA, as more flocked to their banner. Raiders, criminals, mutants, slavers, outlaws. Equalist fanatics, tribal lunatics, and mercenaries who knew only how to make war, not build peace.

Barnaky lead them throughout it all. Their eternal leader. Under his guidance the Brotherhood pushed the MLA out of its territories, and now they flee west into the mountains. They breed like worms in the dirt, but in between them and the NCR, the MLA will be crushed!

---

>What do
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>>1792911
What happened to the Warrior though?
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>>1792918
Most people think he died of old age and that is the general consensus, his official records are classified.

Legend has it he lives on also as a brain bot like the General was, or that he is still alive as a bad ass 90+ year old man out there. No one really knows.
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>>1792928
Could we find him? Ask the general when we get a chance. Could really come in handy. Even if he is a brain. Stick him in a tankbot and hey presto, Field Command.
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>>1792928
Let's head to the church. See what their religion is like.
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>>1792947
Don't you mean a TACT? Tankitrons aren't equipped to house brains i believe.
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>>1792955
Then make one a bit larger and better armed/armored and create a hero unit. Add shielding and whatnot and you can make a spearhead for our troops. With a dude called Warrior he should be pretty good at it (whatever PC it canonically was).
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>>1792958
If we're going that far might as well make a completely new robot design, one that's worthy of the Warrior's brain.
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>>1792974
Whatever. Point is make our own Tanky Hero. IF we ever get there. Might be useful to keep our ears open and take up a quest to do it, seeing as those are really the only thing going for us.
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>>1792950
You decide to investigate the church and the religion of the Brotherhood here in general. From what you can tell from passing conversation and walking the street, the Brotherhood here, like the Brotherhood everywhere as far as you know, do not ascribe, promote, or adhere to a single religion other than a moral code of chivalry. Matters of faith are left to the individual and indeed there are a few tribal medicine healers here. You do find out that Barnaky outlaws all religions which have "cruel and unnatural practices" like cannibalism or murder.

This specific church just happens to be the biggest and most elaborate structure of the religious institutions here. It seems to have once been a church to Jesus, but whenever it was that was long ago.

You enter what seems like a huge electrical parts store. Wires, lamps, and pipes line the ceiling and walls. Mr. Handy's are here tending to various pieces of equipment from Power Armor to Weapons to house appliances neatly placed on shelfs like an Art Museum.

The logo here is not one you recognize.

>con't
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>>1792980
"A user has entered our channel."

You hear an electronic but human voice speak, like a robobrain, and turn to see a strangely dressed man approaching. He appears to be some priestly type, but he is very very heavily augmented. His heavy robes and wrappings cover most of his body, but what is exposed, you see that his right hand is mechanical as is his arm. You hear a constant whirring noise about him, and he breathes as if from a respirator or gas mask.

"Welcome, to our server, User. Do you seek the Blessing of the Electric Father?"

>What do
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>>1792986
"I seek information, and your religion caught my eye, can you tell me about your faith?"
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>>1792986
>Ask what this all is and that stuff

Alright you got me, Mar's and tech priest are here.
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>>1792833
>They talk of his bravery, his skill in battle, how General Barnaky himself decorated him for valour.
>>1792840
>He chose to be Honorably Discharged, rather than go on a Penance Mission or worse, disgrace himself by fleeing for his life.
>"Sic Semper Mutatis. Thus and always to mutants."
What the fuck is this shit? That's some bullshit right there.

>>1792860
>>1792864
Support.

>>1792911
>Equalist fanatics,
So if we ever go to war, would the Midwest BoS see us as the equivalent to Amon?

>>1792958
>>1792974
>>1792978
So make a Dreadnought, then?

>>1792980
>>1792986
My god, the memes.
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You know what i just realized? with most of our army equipped with LAERs and other weapons that do greater damage against robots and power armor we will be quite powerful against the Midwester BoS.
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>>1792999
I like the BoS they are worth allying
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>>1793006
If we can get rid of General Barnaky's hatred for mutants sure, but if we can't it would be better to go to war against them and just assimilate POWs and raise infighting by pointing out the General's executions of loyal BoS members.
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>>1793006
Agreed. We can fix goulism in time which will get us allot of brownie points with them
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>>1792988
"This is the Freeport server of the Brotherhood Reavers. We worship the glory and holyness of tech.

I am the moderator here, a "priest" as you might call it. I help the lost and the banned get reconnected to the current flow that is in all things and all machines.

All knowledge and information is divine, gifted by the Tech Gods since the first man picked up a stone or lit a fire.

It was through their wisdom that man achieved greatness and the capacity to be closer to the current flow, to become one with the machine, as General Barnaky has. But alas, Satansoft, the god of evil technology always seeks to implant the viruses of evil in the hearts of man, to slow down the central processors of the mind, and disrupt the current flow in man and machine. His minions in the MLA, the Dark Reavers, ever seek to unleash the most vile technologies and cruelties upon the world. Has the world not suffered enough from the woes of abused technology through nuclear fire?

We Brotherhood Reavers provide maintenance and technical assistance to those in need, for both man and technology must be maintained."
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>>1793018
>>1793024
I think going to war with BoS just because they do that to mutants is a bit too much.
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>>1793034
I have always liked the brotherhood, and i can understand where they are coming from. If we can cure some of the rad induced mutation then things will go very well between us
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>>1793034
Hey it's not like we can just ally with Genocides, many of our people would be mad.
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>>1793049
Seems like with the story the Paladins told us they either have to make due with the standard issue amount of rad-away and rad-x. Or they just needed more than they thought.

So maybe they would like us trading Rad-x and Rad-away with them.
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>>1793049
This. We need to get that FEV research going at some point.
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>>1793063
I agree, we can make allot of resources dealing with them. We can also probably do some mercenary work for them against the MLA aswell

>>1793065
Definitely!
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>>1793063
That's a good idea, and give me a good idea too. When we meet General Barnaky we can voice our criticism of executing loyal and still useful BoS members just because they've been mutated, which we must point out, only happened because they dedicated themselves to their mission despite not having enough Rad-x.
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>>1793074
>We can also probably do some mercenary work for them against the MLA aswell
That is a horrible idea unless we go to war with the MLA.
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>>1793087
Why do you say so?
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>>1793092
Cause the MLA will know who the mercenary forces belong to, us.
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>>1793087
>>1793092
>>1792127
Because we're not ready to betray them yet, we still need to negotiate our people back, and we have a possible secret deal going on with one of the sub-factions.
>>1793098
Also we haven't figured out how to disguise or false flag our units yet.
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>>1793101
What's the secret deal?
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>>1793098

Not necessarily, we can use other designs specifically made to fight them. Specialised anti-infantry designs can be very handy.

>>1793101
Good point, though i don't think niner will mind if we fuck with Bishop or the Black Night
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>What do
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>>1793106
We get Niner's soul back to possibly usurp, suborn, or sabotage the MLA. That's the main reason he can't work against them even if he wanted to. If we can, he'd be the best bet for anti-MLA plans.

Also, for the official secret deal, we can hire Niner as mercenary forces to do some of the dirty work for us. Which none of the other factions seem keen or trustworthy enough with.

>>1793111
>Good point, though i don't think niner will mind if we fuck with Bishop or the Black Night
Probably not, we should give him a call though about that.
>>1785789
He actually thought it was funny we accidentally fought Mr. Bishop and beat him.
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>>1793120
Tell me more about the Electric father.
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>>1793128
Why would Niner want to betray the MLA? He enjoys being a raider.
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>>1793120
>Tell me more about the Electric father.
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>>1793128
I dont think niner will want to betray them. He is enjoying himself too much.
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>>1793139
Because of what happened to the Marked Men and the exit clause. There's probably some hidden stuff that's involved with selling your soul that we could reveal to him. Also we can offer him replacements with all the tech we have and VR machines, so he doesn't have to worry about people trying to usurp him for his spot.
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>>1793154
Yeah, but we would force him to give up on the rape, and slavery and murder and drugs. Why would he accept that.
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>>1793161
This, he refused to join us when he was just in charge of the Fiends, he sure as hell won't join us now that he's a warboss.
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>>1793161
>>1793170
Wasn't that because we weren't offering any deals for him to join us, or he was reluctant about something? I don't remember that scene too well.
Also there was an option to recruit him separately from the Fiends when we told them about the Legion, but I'm not sure if he said anything different about that.
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>>1793185
I mean, i imagine not being able to murder, or enslave or do drugs would be a deal breaker.
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>>1793170
I see us conquering all of these other nations. All we need is time. Hell fall in line when the MLA is burning around him.
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>>1793148
>Tell me more about the Electric father.
"The Electric Father is the creator of all things, and the source of the current flow. He who lit the spark that set off the Big Bang itself. He dwells in the spirit realm of the technologic, where he rules as chief of the Gods of Tech. To him is given the power to recall the souls of the dead, to undelete files, and give them their just reward in the Afterlife.

Those who do good deeds shall receive the pleasures of Panasonica, lord of the Eternal Assembly Lines, where all needs of users are manufactured forever more. Especially rewarded are those who die courageously in battle, for technologies sake.

Those of evil hearts, who pervert the current flow and so corrupt their bodies like a virus corrupts a computer, shall be damned to the Tech-Underworld where reigns Satansoft. A land without wifi nor ethernet connection, lost to the Current Flow for eternity, and where the broken evil technologies eternally torment weak human flesh.

The Electric Father is the source of all information inspired in the mind of man, from Leonardo Da Vinci to Einstein. He created the other gods of tech. Worship of them brings one closer to the current flow, and grants their blessings. Saint Diode, the god of protection, who shelters with insulation and heat sink against the forces of evil, the Heavenly Ampere and Sain Sony, gods of vision, who perceive of things near and far, future and past.

Through faith in the gods, through just action, through strength and courage in battle, and through the respect of Tech does man grow close to the Current Flow and bring electronic harmony into the world, as it will be in the afterworld."
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We should probably inquire with this guy about getting some tech. Maybe some implants too.


Also I am increasingly angry at the ideology of these BOS. Getting rid of useful members for such stupid reasons and abusing POW's (Admittedly I would do mass brain wiping for TACTs / ZAXs and shit but that is because every other faction is going to be impossible to convert and we can't spare the resources).

If we can't convert or moderate them, I'll certainly be happy to end their ideology. Say what you will about the MLA but their abuse isn't racial / genetic.

>>1793201
Eh, drugs and murder could probably be dealt with. A mix of legal drugs, robot fighting and VR stuff odd to keep him entertained.

>>1793208
Quite true and that future grows ever closer. Now we must focus on getting ready for the next expansion (Utah? Legion?) and supplying the AA rockets to the MLA along with any other equipment we want to / can.
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>>1793185
>Wasn't that because we weren't offering any deals for him to join us, or he was reluctant about something? I don't remember that scene too well.
I am fairly certain it was because he enjoyed being the Fiend's boss, the bit with him refusing us is somewhere in the first 5 threads of this quest.
>Also there was an option to recruit him separately from the Fiends when we told them about the Legion, but I'm not sure if he said anything different about that.
I am also fairly certain that bit was before the Hoover dam battle.
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>>1793216
Also these proto-techpriests seem dumb as shit but might be a useful ally to fight the dark god.
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>>1793161
>rape
Can't he go to the lobotomite brothel or VR machines?
>>1793201
>murder
We can give him a vanguard position in the army like AXEMAN.
>enslave
True, I don't know if that was essential to him though. What does he want from the slaves, sex?
>or do drugs
We could give him drugs or implants for that.

>>1793208
Probably. I'm sure we could offer decent substitutes to most of them as well.

>>1793223
>I am fairly certain it was because he enjoyed being the Fiend's boss, the bit with him refusing us is somewhere in the first 5 threads of this quest.
I might look into it later, but I remembered it differently.
>I am also fairly certain that bit was before the Hoover dam battle.
We offered that when we were evacuating, that was after we told them to change orders and they took over a camp. I'm not sure whether that was before or after the actual Hoover Dam fight though.
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>>1793216
>>1793227
Is this what it's like to talk to a techpriest? The memes man.
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>>1793232
>We offered that when we were evacuating, that was after we told them to change orders and they took over a camp. I'm not sure whether that was before or after the actual Hoover Dam fight though.
The evacuation was after the battle for Hoover dam, where the Legion won.
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>>1793221
I don't really like mutants, so the BoS ideology really doesn't matter to me. We could moderate them, once we get the FEV research to cure mutantism.

The MLA is much worst.
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>>1793216
"This seems very similar to the religion of the Nailed God Jesus Christ."
Should we say this anons?
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>>1793246
Sure. He's a priest, he should be able to deal with skepticism.
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>>1793223
>I am also fairly certain that bit was before the Hoover dam battle.
>>1793237
>The evacuation was after the battle for Hoover dam, where the Legion won.
Yeah, that sounds like it. So we told them after the Hoover Dam fight, and he was willing to split from them at that point.

>>1793246
Maybe we should ask if they heard of that religion first before we accidentally make him REEE about the differences.
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>>1793216
I got these cool tech impact in me. Make me smarter, stronger, and faster.
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>>1793250
>Yeah, that sounds like it. So we told them after the Hoover Dam fight, and he was willing to split from them at that point.
Nope, we got the option to recruit him separately from the Fiends before the Hoover Dam battle happened and he refused.
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>>1793259
I mean there was a second option to recruit him at that point. Or second chance.
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>>1793263
I think we could have pushed it, but we didn't because we didn't want to be seen involved with the Fiends.
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>>1793221
Why are we expanding towards utah and not building up more where we are, or underground?
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>>1793263
Eh, even if there was the chance has passed, it's very likely he won't join us.
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>>1793273
I don't care what we do as long as we get that small breeder reactor.
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>>1793269
That's one of the reasons, yeah. There was also the supply concern.
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>>1793246
"I have not heard of that faith. Is it more tribal paganism?

I find that many tend to blind the tribes to the glories of tech, making them fearful or ignorant of even the most simple of understandings."

>>1793253
"Ah! I had suspected such, I can sense such things. Tell me, what augments of Tech has your body been blessed with?"
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>>1793281
>"I have not heard of that faith. Is it more tribal paganism?
"It's an Old World faith."
>I find that many tend to blind the tribes to the glories of tech, making them fearful or ignorant of even the most simple of understandings."
"No. It's mostly about being good to others. There aren't any mentions of shunning tech."
>Tell me, what augments of Tech has your body been blessed with?"
"All of them."
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>>1793275
>>1793271
I linked to the wrong person.
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>>1793281
I guess tell him?

Also, Tell him what we know of the nailed god and how it was a former...major? religion in the US.
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>>1793286
This, except the last bit, we have yet to collect them all.
Augmentmon!
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>>1793288
Supporting
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>>1793286
sure
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>>1793241
>I don't really like mutants, so the BoS ideology really doesn't matter to me.
Mate the problem is that we are quite arguably a mutant given how far we've went from the human baseline.

Not to mention us having sexual relations with a mutant, creating a child with it and assisting it's people indirectly by sharing research results unintentionally.

>We could moderate them, once we get the FEV research to cure mutantism.
True but the problem is that we plan on making all of our people into mutants by a mix of gene-modding and shit.

>The MLA is much worse.
I'd argue that they both should die and that the MLA are going to be easier to deal with.

>>1793271
Utah provides easy access to a MLA city for trade, has ample resources (metal deposits, rivers, forests, etc) to sustain industry and farming which in turn allows for a large population of both citizens and brahmin. There is also the Legion land in the region which could be taken over and thus allow for a second front to be opened up, enabling further expansion as well as an alternate route if NV has been taken by the NCR.

Fact is that even with additional investment in our current region, we can only realistically increase our population capacity moderately and will not increase our resources. Where as expansion to Utah would grant access to additional population (MLA slaves), power (hydroelectric), war material (refined metal) and food and so on.
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>>1793290
>This, except the last bit, we have yet to collect them all.
Yeah. I was just shitposting there.
>>1793281
>"Ah! I had suspected such, I can sense such things. Tell me, what augments of Tech has your body been blessed with?"
>>1793286
"I'm the person with the most augments that I know of."
>Augmentmon!
"I wanna be the very best"
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>>1793296
>I'd argue that they both should die and that the MLA are going to be easier to deal with.
I agree with this man, the MLA would be fighting a 3 front war when we join the fight.
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>>1793296
As long as Unity and Sam look human they are none the wiser. Us well we are a human in there eyes, just don't tell them details about our tree.

There are not Enclave level of pure. They accept Tribes into the fold, and they have the tech religion, so they will allow it, and try it out.

>I'd argue that they both should die and that the MLA are going to be easier to deal with.
Nah, BoS is helping the people, building up farms and settlements, I like them. They can be our Japan to our Germany. Also I don't like to just kill off people/population for our united America due to small differences.

If we killed off everyone not 100% like us, we're going to be left with a very small pop. So yeah just be friends with the BoS, and moderate them, with the cure we're going to have. Also we got that art boon so we can keep it to somehow stop being so killing on mutants.
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>>1793296
I can see some of that, but we could also create vast amounts of underground farms for food / and or Fuel for the replicators. Its not going to miracly solve all of our problems, but its worth investing in.
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>>1793299
"That no one ever was"
"To create them is my real test"
"To install them is my cause"
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>>1793307
>Also we got that art boon so we can keep it to somehow stop being so killing on mutants.
QM said that won't work, at least not completely >>1791975
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>>1793307
We can probably convince them to send us their mutants.
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>>1793321
It depends on the argument.
"Mutants are not bad" would not work,
but
"Mutants are not a large issue in the face of the MLA, and their dark gods, alien monsters, and savages that revel in their ignorance. Better the loyal mutant than the hostile human." would work better.
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>>1793321
I didn't say to just spend boon and XD they change.

I'm thinking overtime we gain there trust, do some missions for them, or some trading we can get on there good side. We just have to be smart, they are not a lost cause. They are going to be our ally when we need to take down the MLA
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>>1793334
Would that work QM?
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>>1793340
>They are going to be our ally when we need to take down the MLA
Why do we need to be allies with them? We can just go to war with the MLA and force the MLA into a 3 front war.
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>>1793352
Anon. Being allies means that we can know what's happening with the MLA on the east front, they can help us with supplies, or info on the enemy tactics or type of things they do.

It just seems like if we war with the MLA, we should also ally with them get them on there good side as brothers in arms. Give us more trust so we can change the general mind on mutants.
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>>1793359
>Anon. Being allies means that we can know what's happening with the MLA on the east front, they can help us with supplies, or info on the enemy tactics or type of things they do.
Good point.
How about after we prepare a little we offer the General to join the war against the MLA if he allies with us?
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>>1793307
>As long as Unity and Sam look human they are none the wiser. Us well we are a human in there eyes, just don't tell them details about our tree.
So your solution is to lie to them and hope that they never see either of them alter their bodies?

This is before mentioning if they find out about Unity's townships. They'd go ballistic we were protecting them.

>There are not Enclave level of pure. They accept Tribes into the fold, and they have the tech religion, so they will allow it, and try it out.
Incredibly unlikely given the BOS want the Institute dead because they are making Synths and shit. They don't like people messing with human genetics.

>Nah, BoS is helping the people, building up farms and settlements, I like them. They can be our Japan to our Germany. Also I don't like to just kill off people/population for our united America due to small differences.
Small differences? They are a segregationist state that mistreats people we treat as equals.

>If we killed off everyone not 100% like us, we're going to be left with a very small pop.
Which is why we are selective and don't support the genocidal maniacs of other nations, since they'd kill some of them.

>So yeah just be friends with the BoS, and moderate them, with the cure we're going to have. Also we got that art boon so we can keep it to somehow stop being so killing on mutants.
Too many assumptions. Too long term. Too risky. We'll see how it goes.

>>1793309
>I can see some of that, but we could also create vast amounts of underground farms for food / and or Fuel for the replicators.
Stop relying on Replicators to solve our problems. They should not be the crutch on which we rest our entire civilisation for now.

>Its not going to miraculously solve all of our problems, but its worth investing in.
Correct but the same could be said of your solutions. They'll be useful but expansion works too and can be done more cheaply.


>>1793359
>>1793365
Stop it. We aren't getting into a war with the MLA, the NCR or the BOS anytime soon. It'd just cause problems and divert resources from more important projects.
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>>1793380
>Stop it. We aren't getting into a war with the MLA, the NCR or the BOS anytime soon. It'd just cause problems and divert resources from more important projects.
What important projects? The only ones i know of are building the small breeder reactor and making a settlement in Utah.
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>>1793380
It's be alright anon, we can all be friends.
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>>1793383
Well not "a" settlement. More so a series of colonies and industrial facilities to extract material from the region, support MLA trade and allow for a second front against the Legion while also enabling for massive population expansion. The reasoning being that our next logical expansion should be into the Legion since they are relatively speaking so weak. Meaning we should be able to take the NV region along with all the power generation and farmland within it before expanding yet further east into their lands.


The Legion is a primarily infantry force which our weapons can easily counter and that their lands should contain metal deposits and such we can exploit. This in turn would enable us to expand our armed forces, industry and population throughout their region without risking as much as a war against the MLA.

We could then follow this up by, assuming we conquer all of the Legion, expanding into central america or the Caribbean. Thus cutting off the NCR from future expansion south and gaining a coastal region from which we can base trade along the entire american coast line. Allowing access to the Commonwealth, the BOS and more or less anything else on that side of america plus if we could get the Panama canal under our control we get the NCR's trade too.


Thus the plan is clear: exploit the Divide, exploit Utah (and the MLA), exploit the Legion and then we conquer either the MLA or the NCR depending on the situation and how well things are going for both / how far down the Nazi or dark god rabbit holes they've gone.
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>>1793421
>Meaning we should be able to take the NV region along with all the power generation and farmland within it before expanding yet further east into their lands.
That really depends on the big IF on the NCR point. If they want to get the NV region from themselves they could take it from us. It's a big deal for the NCR as it will be seems as a moral victory against the Legion.
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>>1793421
I agree with dealing with the legion first, but then we have to focus on the MLA to the north. Once we go through them we would have access to the resources located in Canada, which would be more worthwhile than the caribbean and mexico.
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>>1793421
>Well not "a" settlement. More so a series of colonies and industrial facilities to extract material from the region, support MLA trade and allow for a second front against the Legion while also enabling for massive population expansion.
Hmm, i think that would take too much time. I believe we should set up one colony since that will be enough to build some mines and power plants while taking on the Legion settlements in southern Utah, after that we take NV for Hoover dam and immediately route it's energy for metal generation, after that we do whatever.
>Thus the plan is clear: exploit the Divide, exploit Utah (and the MLA), exploit the Legion and then we conquer either the MLA or the NCR depending on the situation and how well things are going for both / how far down the Nazi or dark god rabbit holes they've gone.
I can agree to that as long as we build that Small breeder reactor back home, hell we could just transport a teleporter pad with our saucer into Utah and teleport the necessary workforce.
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Is QM ded?
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>>1793241
I agree.

We want to change mutants back into normal humans eventually anyway.
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>>1793451
>That really depends on the big IF on the NCR point. If they want to get the NV region from themselves they could take it from us. It's a big deal for the NCR as it will be seems as a moral victory against the Legion.
Agreed. Which is why Utah is important since it allows us to attack from an alternate angle if they have secured or force the issue over the NV area.


>>1793452
>I agree with dealing with the legion first, but then we have to focus on the MLA to the north.
I disagree. Our goal should be to achieve stasis between the MLA and NCR so we can deal with them later and instead focus on expansion and shit. Intervention should occur once we feel we can handle them both but only betraying one.

Plus, the MLA are a source of income. So declaring war on the NCR and conquering their lands would strengthen our position more so than the MLA (more resources, infrastructure, a ZAX, etc) while also removing a threat who are actually teching up fast and shit.

>Once we go through them we would have access to the resources located in Canada, which would be more worthwhile than the Caribbean and mexico.
I disagree. Mexico is rich in many natural resources and the Caribbean is important as a series of forward bases for trade along the west coast. Plus as previously mentioned it denys it to the NCR.

>>1793454
>Hmm, i think that would take too much time. I believe we should set up one colony since that will be enough to build some mines and power plants while taking on the Legion settlements in southern Utah, after that we take NV for Hoover dam and immediately route it's energy for metal generation, after that we do whatever.
We can see how it goes. I feel that if our robot production continues to grow and we manage to develop a good engineering staff and such it should be fairly easy.

Plus, colonies are things we would establish as our capital's population grows from natural growth and the various new-comers rather than ahead of time. So it would probably be something we'd automate once we had automated metal and hexcrete production underway.

>I can agree to that as long as we build that Small breeder reactor back home, hell we could just transport a teleporter pad with our saucer into Utah and teleport the necessary workforce.
That would be the plan aye, the teleporters are massively useful for these sorts of things.
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>>1793539
I do love me longterm and complex plans. But I know for experience that most plans are alway changed or alter as they go.

Let's see what the Major and others think of how much troops were going to need to hold NV region. And let\s see how things go. With the metal from the divide we're going to get so much metal and fissure, but we got to see if it's production is fast enough to take NV region and hold it before NCR comes a knocking.

A good thing to know is what we want to hold in the NV region. We can hold all of it, spreading our forces thin, so as a anon I recommended we can't hold everything, but should look into holding the important parts of the region.

So had is a plan of action if we get NV region.
1.The fastest and most direct route, is from Baker to the Mountain pass. Then after ward the two nearest targets are Nipton and Primm.
If we go through the teleporter the closest would be the Jacobstown.
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>>1793539
THe MLA is only a source of income because we don't hold their territory. Deal with them, and we don't have to trade for their goods, they would be ours.

If the NCR is deprived of the south, they would head north, so acting to deprive them of something is irrelevant.
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Oh wow we already need a new thread.
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>>1793574
TIme to archive.
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>>1793584
>>1793574
Spoke with Niner, find out what happened to our officer. Good rolls, made new robots, talked with the BoS and the Mormons.
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>>1793597
done
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>>1793606
Next thread is #25, we could use the Boon and double it up with the Art boon. Or wait until we get a Nat 100 and do all the boons at once.
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>>1793608
>Maximum culture.
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>>1793610
>Cultural victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgdnGZhEpbI
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>>1793615
>Hearing the song
It's rammstein, wasn't expecting them.
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>>1793563
>I do love me longterm and complex plans. But I know for experience that most plans are alway changed or alter as they go.
Of course, that is why this one isn't really a plan as much as an overarching description of goals: like pseudo-code for a plan.

>Let's see what the Major and others think of how much troops were going to need to hold NV region. And let\s see how things go. With the metal from the divide we're going to get so much metal and fissure, but we got to see if it's production is fast enough to take NV region and hold it before NCR comes a knocking.
Agreed. I believe producing as many Loaders and light combat robots as we can is the best plan. The light's can take weapons from the dead Legion and their sheer numbers should keep the Legion from overwhelming us. Especially given they rely on shotguns and shit which robots should resist well.

>A good thing to know is what we want to hold in the NV region. We can hold all of it, spreading our forces thin, so as a anon I recommended we can't hold everything, but should look into holding the important parts of the region.
Agreed. Admittedly there are ways we can maximise what we can control and if we keep the Legion on the backfoot that odd to not be a problem.

>1.The fastest and most direct route, is from Baker to the Mountain pass. Then after ward the two nearest targets are Nipton and Primm.
That'd probably be the best route since attacking from the Divide would be the easiest thing to do. Since the Teleporter would need to recharge and shit thus limiting our ability to reinforce and actually begin the attack.

>If we go through the teleporter the closest would be the Jacobstown.
I'd advise only sending a vanguard of high quality units through there. Perhaps a squad of those tankitrons or whatever.

>>1793565
>THe MLA is only a source of income because we don't hold their territory. Deal with them, and we don't have to trade for their goods, they would be ours.
Except we'd lack the man / robot power to exploit that shit for a long time. You'd spread our resources far too thin. Hell even the entire Legion is too much to reasonably exploit anytime soon which is why we need to keep the other factions stable so we can get enough time to do that shit.

>If the NCR is deprived of the south, they would head north, so acting to deprive them of something is irrelevant.
Except north is far harder to live in than south and it will take them a long time to clear their way through the MLA / Legion in that region.
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>>1793648
>I'd advise only sending a vanguard of high quality units through there. Perhaps a squad of those tankitrons or whatever.
Hmmm, that give me a idea, the Legion garrison of what left in NV region will have to pull back some troops to get rid of the tankitrons. We could also just over time keep sending more and more troops through the teleporter after it recharges, until the bunker is filled with troops. Than it attacks.

Which will lower the amount of troops we have to face for our main attack.
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>>1793663
That might work but the possibility of them being overwhelmed is worrying.

Still, we can assault from both parts at the same time.
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>>1793615
This helped make my day, thanks anon.
>>1793619
And it's one of the things that makes it better.

>>1793663
>>1793675
We could also hire the Fiendish 80 as mercenaries, depending on if we need them or not. I don't think we will for our NV offensive.
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>>1793777
Checked, seems like God is on our side.
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>>1793777
We might consider bringing Niner and his girls along as a guest. Nothing like bonding and catching up over your army annihilating the Legion.
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>>1793342
>>1793334
You may wish to have a conversation with the General.

I will outright state when a boon will work or not so you don't waste it.
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>>1793830
I don't want to befriend Niner though.
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>>1793830
Nah. I don't want to bond with him. Especially since we're going to destroy the MLA
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>>1793286
>"It's an Old World faith."
"Ah, the Old World. How little they knew of what they were blessed with. When the factories flowed with Tech, and every man could feel closer to the Current Flow with such ease. The great God companies still held power then, assembling and produce the sacred techs that still stand to this day."
>"No. It's mostly about being good to others. There aren't any mentions of shunning tech."
"Then I have no problem with it, though, we are not that faith,and it is not our god."
>"I'm the person with the most augments that I know of."
"Ah, yea you must surely have augments of the flesh. May I scan your body of them and be enlightened?

Truly though, you do not appear to be so very Augmented. Behold, my arm is steel, my throat is filtered that I do not breathe in foul air, and much more of my body has been replaced with sacred tech."

>What do
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>>1793888
Nice Trips
Allow the scan
"If you scan me, you will my bones are of metal, and my head is filled with a Tesla coil."

I want to talk trading next, maybe go talk with someone higher up. Maybe we can get some people to come with us.
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>>1793777
>We could also hire the Fiendish 80 as mercenaries,
Come to think of it, I keep thinking of our relations with the MLA as mercenaries because they're Raiders, but we're effectively secret allies. They don't ask for much besides a share of the loot and an assurance it's a good idea.

Hm. A shame they're not better people.

>>1793792
Indeed. I hope benevolent gods are actually real in this quest universe.

>>1793830
Sounds like a good idea. Sure.
The MLA wants to use the Legion against the NCR though, so we'll have to make it sound like a good idea to him.

>>1793870
>>1793873
It'll make it easier to use him against the MLA if we do so, more intel and such.
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>>1793904
>Maybe we can get some people to come with us.
I don't think we should do that yet.
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>>1793904
support.
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>>1793908
>A shame they're not better people.
Wonder what that says about the Courier when the faction that is most warm to them are raiders.
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>>1793922
QM if courier were not get Nat 1s during the battle of the Dam would the relations between factions been different?

I know Niner likes us since we didn't kill the Friends, and bombed the hell out the NCR
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>>1793922
Well, it's not warmth from the faction, but from the individual.
But also yes, it does say bad things.
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>>1793908
>It'll make it easier to use him against the MLA if we do so, more intel and such.
That won't work, he enjoys being part of the MLA, it's just like Boon and how he refused to join us since he's patriotic to the NCR.
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>>1793936
Likely.

You may or may not have been fighting inside New Vegas. Rather than robots, your main force would be human. The quest might have been very different. Less research, more intrigue and industry, as you would be in the same position as house. Squeezed between the NCR and the Legion.

Whatever you would have done in that situation may be different too, whether its strike out against the NCR or Legion while they are down or what have you.

BigMT has been something of an island for you.
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>>1793956
>That won't work, he enjoys being part of the MLA, it's just like Boon and how he refused to join us since he's patriotic to the NCR.
>Boon
I don't remember us ever talking to Boone in-quest. Do you mean that other companion Ranger guy who walked out on us when we flubbed the dialogue?
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>>1793965
>I don't remember us ever talking to Boone in-quest. Do you mean that other companion Ranger guy who walked out on us when we flubbed the dialogue?
Nope, we also talked to Boon and he refused.
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>>1793965
Boone was around in the very begining, but we didn't really talk with him much because we were going anti-NCR. Then the dam was lost and we never heard from him again.
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>>1793976
>>1793982
Oh. How are those two doing now? Have they bought into NCR Nazism?

>>1793922
>>1793941
At least it's mostly because of a companion he had.
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>>1793995
[REDACTED]
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Check them
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>>1794001
>two posts could've been trips
RIP.
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>>1793936
>>1793941
A bit later you are sitting in some kind of Old World medical equipment. A mix between an Auto-Doc and a hospital machine.

"My you have many of the standard implants. Your endurance must have been high to accept so many blessings.

Wait. What's this.

I am detecting four new implants not seen before. One in your belly that seems to help you digest foods, one in your gut that is drawing nearby radiation to it, one in your legs that gives your knees swiftness, and one in your head that seems to be a targeting chip directed at something.

What implants are these? These are not available on the market!"

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_implants

>What say
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>>1794090
>These are special implates designed by others. I may be willing to share them with you if you have something to trade in return.
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>>1794090
"AH, those are rare implants, i found them back in my adventuring days while in my BoS chapter."
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>>1794107
Supporting
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>>1794107
>>1794109
"These implants would have great value to the Brotherhood and to the Reavers.

Irradiated water is still a problem. The Great Lakes are not pure, and the Brotherhood has sufficed by doling out Rad-X, for flesh is pray to radiation where steel is not. To be able to drink irradiated water without harm would be a major Techsend.

My server here has many items of-"

>You
[Speech 100] [There's nothing in this shop I'm interested in. I am a purveyor of very advanced tech!]

"Oh . . .hmmm, then you may wish to negotiate with our 1st Ambassador in Newton, or to the General."
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>>1794158
Could you put that in writing?. Your advocating for us would help in streamlining things.
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>>1794158
1st Ambassador you say? Hmm, Very well I'll make note of where he is and hopefully meet with him soonish.

OOC - we haven't been jewing our people into bad water right?
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>>1794158
>the Brotherhood has sufficed by doling out Rad-X,

Anons this is a grand opening we have. If we give the BoS the tech to build waterplants that clean rads, we can get some good tech from them.

>>1794176
>Water Treatment
We have a water treatment plant. i believe it take off the rads of the water, so it's something we can trade with
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>>1794171
"I shall send them an E-Mail through the holy Internet. I pray it does not become lost in the spiritual junk box or marked by the gods as spam."

>>1794186
>waterplants that clean rads
[Repair 80] [That would be very hard to do, in fact, you aren't sure, short of disintegrating and reintegrating water, how to do it. And that would be the same thing as synthesizing water which on that scale would be very expensive]
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>>1794176
>we haven't been jewing our people into bad water right?
I don't believe so, the only irradiated source of water we have is the underground river that we have yet to pump.
>>1794186
>We have a water treatment plant. i believe it take off the rads of the water, so it's something we can trade with
Does it do that? If so we should start building the water pump for the underground river, the only reason we haven't is cause it's slightly irradiated and that we had to build a treatment plant for it.
Funny that we already had one.
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>>1794191
*on the scale of the Brotherhood at least.

>OOC - we haven't been jewing our people into bad water right?
Your soldiers drink irradiated water while your people drink pure, this has improved your water supplies.

Your water facility currently simply separates irradiated water if it occurs, but it cannot purify it. There's something inherently difficult that has to do with how radiation creates specific isotopes of water with very long half-lives, as well as radioactive dust.

It would take a very big project or some type of miracle to purify a rivers worth of water.
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Guys just a idea. Hear me out

Right now we're in Chicago, so why not go to the Commonwealth after our business here? We're just have 900 miles to get there. And we already went over 2,000 miles already
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>>1794191
>[That would be very hard to do, in fact, you aren't sure, short of disintegrating and reintegrating water, how to do it. And that would be the same thing as synthesizing water which on that scale would be very expensive]
Can we research ways to purify irradiated water?
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>>1794208
>Right now we're in Chicago, so why not go to the Commonwealth after our business here? We're just have 900 miles to get there. And we already went over 2,000 miles already
Would we still be in communications range of Big MT QM?
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>>1794209
>Can we research ways to purify irradiated water?
4 words anon
Fallout 3: Project purity

OOC
Too bad we don't know of it
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>>1794211
Nope. Too far away.
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>>1794215
OP, do we have communications rate with BigMT right now?

And what to stop us, from just telling the BoS if they can take our signal and phone it over to the BigMT?
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>>1794215
Then we should first research and build a communications satellite so we can stay in contact with BigMT, just in case.
>>1794212
If we go to the commonwealth we'll find out about it, lot's of people there know of it.
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>>1794219
We should not use a 3rd party for communications anon, that i such a big security risk.
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>>1794219
[Int 10] [What would a simple village be doing with an extremely powerful radio antennae. Something like that always draws brotherhood interest, and you aren't sure if that's a good idea]
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Alright guys, I say we don't need be communications range to go to Commonwealth as we are just checking the place out and just talking to people get the lay of the land. And we're the Courier we can handle ourselves with whatever happens.

We are not setting up a outpost yet, so no need to be in communication range.
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>>1794244
I should clarify, thus far you have been escorted by his drones but I wasn't clear that the Brotherhood has been transporting you also.

You currently haven't requested aerial access to the Commonwealth.
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>>1794244
>We are not setting up a outpost yet, so no need to be in communication range.
The reason why i want to have communications with BigMT while in the Commonwealth is cause we might need help from our people.
like say we need someone's information like the think tanks knowledge of the institute or a computer virus to take over Liberty prime.
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Hey QM, next thread, if our book hasn't published yet, what would happen if we use the General boon and the cultural boon at the same time for our book?
Is it something crazy?
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>>1794289
>Tfw The book will become a overnight sensation and people of the factions around us, will want to come in to our nation. Our patriotism and morale will skyrocket.
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>>1794307
God dammit anon, i don't have another video for that.
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>>1794289
I need to rework the boon system seriously. Some of these threads are meant for hero quest, and you have been getting general boons in in game time at a crazy pace.

They were supposed to be every few years or at least a year, but now you guys are getting them every couple of months.

That said, it might not work exactly as you think. Though, it might have some other positive effects too.
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>>1794307
>>1794313
Oh wait, yes i do.
>When you bring that American ideology when other faction leaders don't want you to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJCmPKaYN8
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>>1794316
I'm unsure what the fuck a culture boon even is, and to be fair. Its not like we get to use the Boon's like how the rest of us do.
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>>1794313
The thing with the population blowing up, is we're going to have to build houses and ramp up our supply of food and water.

>>1794316
Maybe a system of littler boons? Like we know the boon right now is better than a nat 100.
How about there is little boons and big boons.
3 little ones will count as 1 big boons. We can get little boons by either waiting time, or willing to suck a nat 1 and work with it. and the little boon used by taking the nat 1 can't be use to for what ever the roll was for.
Big boons can come yearly. And the little boons can come in 4 month times. It turns a nat 1, into a normal fail, and 2 of them are a nat 100, and 3 a normal boon.

Just my idea. Of the boon system
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>>1794316
>That said, it might not work exactly as you think. Though, it might have some other positive effects too.
Hmm, i don't like how only the side effects are positive, not gonna do it then.
>I need to rework the boon system seriously. Some of these threads are meant for hero quest, and you have been getting general boons in in game time at a crazy pace.
Well if the problem is that some of these threads are only about the Courier you could count them out of the count, this kinda fucks up the "Each 5 threads=Boon" but maybe you could add something to the OP to signify the count and keep track.
Maybe something like [BOON I/I/o/o/o] each I signifies a thread archiving you count.
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>>1794316
You could do something along the line of "Every [Set number of Turns] equals a boon" Instead of relying on the thread count.
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>>1794351
Actually yea, that's a better system than counting by threads, if he combines that with my idea here >>1794345 we could finally keep track of how much time has passed since the beginning of the quest.
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I'll think of something, thanks for the suggestions

Anyway
>What do
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>>1794356
>>1794351
:^( No one say anything about my system based on time. And add little boons

>>1794360
>negotiate with our 1st Ambassador in Newton,
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>>1794360
Go visits the 1st Ambassador i guess.
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>>1794365
I hate the Little boons idea, i don't want to get fucked over by 1s.
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>>1794360
Visit 1st Ambassador.
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>>1794360
Return to the General.
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>>1794377
It's mostly based on time, each little take 4 months, and get 3 in a year to have a normal boon.

For Nat 1 you can use 1 little boon to make it a normal fail, or 2 to make it a nat 100. Or just burn a normal boon..

It's a system in which you trade in Nat 1s to get a free little boon, but you have the choose to just burn little boons to stop it and not get fucked over.
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>>1794329
This is fun, i'm gonna keep going.
>When the PC completely dominates a Faction in war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJUuDoRZpyU
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>>1794360
>negotiate with our 1st Ambassador in Newto
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>>1794360
QM, is there a way that we could radically improve either Rad-Away or Rad-X?

Our forces need it in the Divide, and we could sell it to the Enclave or Midwest BoS.
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>>1794593
Actually yes you can do medicinal research.
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>>1794448
>>1794380
>>1794369
As before, the General graciously provides you various forms of transport. Either your UFO escorted by drones up to the border limits (for you do not have aerial clearance over certain areas) or he provides you with a simple brotherhood motorcycle on loan. Though even then, you are escorted by silent air drones if not right next to you, then from a distance

You get the feeling the General has started to become suspicious of you. Perhaps, you wonder, because, despite having a UFO, you have not found any trace of your chapter and you have not invited him to your "village".

Still wish you had such luxury as a courier, no more walking the wasteland for you. A nice seat to cushion you as you travel at speed.

---

Newton, home of the Brotherhood Reavers. It is clearly an industrial or technological center from a distance. Technological spires of metal rise into the sky alongside smokestacks and numerous Radio Antennae, the buildings all interconnected by wires and cables like a massive spiders web. In comparison to BigMT, it's a lot more messy, clearly the product of technology being reinvented rather than rediscovered, but still more organized and advanced than anything the MLA could do and looking more high tech than what you've seen in the NCR.

Come to think of it you never did visit one of their foundries or factories or wherever they do make tech but thats another story.

As you walk the streets technology lines and fills every corned and every street. TV screens, lamps and lightbulbs of every color, the effect here seems not to use technology as simply a tool as with a high tech place like Vault City or BigMT, but the city itself is a temple to technology. From the most ancient pieces of junk now carefully restored, to the latest gizmo's and gadgets. All tended to by robots.

The robots of the Midwestern Brotherhood are, in many ways, both less sophisticated and more sophisticated. Brute strength and numbers seems to be the word of the day here. Rather than, for example, having a fantastic do-it-all Omni-constructor you see stuff like a big military walker robot pulling a huge slab of metal over logs or trailers, or toeing a huge crane chain.

This indicates to you that the Midwestern Brotherhood is able to create more robots in huge numbers, but there has been less of a focus on researching more advanced versions of them.
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>>1794769
What do those BoS airdrones look like anyway?
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>>1794778
There are several variety, both tiny eyebot models and larger aircraft and fighter types.

The eyebots are Old World model. You have seen them in the NCR, but never in such numbers. They are not the Dura Frame model but another one entirely, however the principle is the same. An armored frame able to carry a gun, such as a laser pistol, and perform reconnaissance, patrol, and espionage duty while moving at great speeds.
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>>1794778
The Aircraft are larger. They are somewhere in between being larger than an old world airplane and smaller than a vertibird. It has verticle take off and lift capability, and appears to be completely automated. Though smaller and likely less armored than a vertibird, they are faster, and carry some heavy armaments.

This one does not appear to be an Old World model. You are sort of able to tell based on Old World models having certain dead giveaways like visible logos or certain Aesthetic features.

These are the two flight craft of the Brotherhood Midwest you have seen so far, though there may be more considering their focus on robotics.
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>>1794769
I'm fine with inviting the general to visit as soon as he lets us meet face to face. Otherwise, Ill give him the same excuse he gave us. "Its a security risk"

Qm How do the people look? Do they seem happy?
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>>1794864
In freeport, yes, the people did seem happy and orderly. Food was plentiful, robots patrolled the streets alongside the brotherhood and it had that disciplined military feel of a brotherhood settlement only on a much larger scale.

There was blatant racism against Supermutants, "Green skin freaks", and ghouls. It would seem the people here share General Barnaky's open distaste for mutants.

But the grass is green, there's water and food, its orderly and the people stand behind a common leader and banner. They don't seem as fanatically patriotic as the NCR though. It's less patriotism, and more duty and chivalry.
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>>1794864
This is OOC unless supported by the by.
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>>1794882
Have we seen any mutants other than the ones who have been crucified? The general has said he doesn't genocide them.
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>>1794905
Nope. Not in town at least. You did hear regularly about the workcamps though. And you did hear about "Penance Missions".

>You
(hmm. Cain mentioned those, but I never bothered to ask him)
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>>1794769
still writing

>con't
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>>1794769
Everyone in the city is heavily and visibly augmented. Robotic arms, limbs, cybernetic eyes, visible implants jutting from their skulls or on their face. Underneath the weight of the machinery on their body, you can barely recognize some of them as human.

This city is something of a production facility, maintenance center, and research center, each with separate temples dedicated to a different Tech god (and field of research). Observing the layout of the city, you are surprised to find it is arranged much like a computer chip or motherboard.

At the very center is the Temple to the Electric Father, and headquarters of the Reaver Movement.

It looks like a tiny power plant of sorts, likely Nuclear but not as big as your Breeder Reactor in BigMT, as well as doubling as an administrative building.

They had been expecting your arrival, having recieved the email, and you soon find yourself standing face to face with their 1st Ambassador.

He is an elder man, very old, and had he been any other man his age would have likely be bound to a wheelchair or bed. But his legs were steel, his arms were metal, his back supported by an exoskeleton spine, giving him strength in his advanced age. Wires jut from the back of his head, and metal plates line his skull.

"Greetings, Paladin Courier of the Mojave Chapter. I am 1st Ambassador "Administrator1". I have heard from the Moderator at the Freeport Server that you have advanced implants we have not seen before, and were interested in exchanging information for a sample of them.

Truly this is sign from Tech. What Tech do you seek that might be traded for these implants?"
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>>1795044
How well do you know the general? Do your opinions hold weight with him?
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>>1795044
Use our int 10 and science 100 to determine what they have which can be of use to us
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>>1795044
What tech do you have to offer? Use our Int 10 and Sci 10 for that shit.
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>>1795062
>>1795064
This.
>>1795059
Let's not jump into his personal relationships immediately anon.
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Writing
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Are these the reaver guys that Riddick talks about? Will they become the menace that comes from the east that forecaster warned us?
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>>1795062
>>1795064
Because they are collectively of a civilian nature, and because you yourself are well, not exactly with longstanding relations, they do not show or trade you in military tech.

You also find out that in many cases your own technology is still more advanced than theirs, or at least, what they are able to show you.

What the Ambassador does know is that you do have a village somewhere, and offers things of a civilian nature. For the secret to produce the BigMT implants, they offer one of the following:
>A Civilian Pip-Boy Production model.

>A single large shipment of VR education pods. You have to insert your own programming.

>Civilian Augments - Mechanical arms and hands, exospines, machine feet. They further improve the abilities of the average human, as well as improve radiation resistance, though they are extremely visible (and possibly on purpose)

>Echo-Boy - These special detection devices improve the ability to detect large concentrations of metal, which can be used both for salvaging opertions and for defense

>Vault Water Purifier + Chips: Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT

>Sleep Tron 3000 - Improves the quality of sleep by gently inhibiting brain activity, allowing for REM sleep to be achieved faster and longer. A sleep of 8 hours can be reduced down to 4 or even less. Long term studies have proven no permanent deleterious effect, but there is a short period of decreased intellect and confusion upon awakening.

These are a few of the technologies he is willing to offer.
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>>1795248
>Vault Water Purifier + Chips: Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT
Are these capable of filtering Irradiated water?
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>>1795254
Nevermind, that's a stupid question.
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>>1795248
>Vault Water Purifier + Chips: Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT
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>>1795248
>Vault Water Purifier + Chips: Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT

Can't we just...mass produce these once we have it?

Also, How are 3 implates for 1 a fair deal?
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>>1795279
>Also, How are 3 implates for 1 a fair deal?
This, they're giving us a completely unreasonable deal, either they give us actual military tech PER aug or we walk away.
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>>1795279
>>1795290
You figure has to do with a level of trust. First deals are always stacked.

Would you like to attempt a haggling roll? It can only get better, not worse.
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>>1795290
Ill support this

>>1795291
yes
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>>1795248
The echo boy, could it be modified for mapping of underground tunnels from the surface?
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>>1795291
Yes.
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>>1795291
Yes, We have 100 barter and speech.
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Rolled 93, 12, 44 = 149 (3d100)

>>1795291
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Rolled 96 (1d100)

>>1795308
wow. that's not good
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>>1795290
Agreed, we're getting seriously ripped off here.

At least 2 civilian techs for 1 BigMT aug or a 1-1 ratio for military tech.

This is fair, especially for the irradiated water aug which they want so much.

I am interested in these two though:
>A single large shipment of VR education pods. You have to insert your own programming.
Would kick-start our post scarcity education push

>Echo-Boy - These special detection devices improve the ability to detect large concentrations of metal, which can be used both for salvaging opertions and for defense
Would be brilliant for the Divide and our new tunneler bot

We don't really need the water purification, especially if we provide augs to all of our civilians
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>>1795318
We can build VR pods. We have the research done.
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>>1795318
I think the VR pods are the second worst of the list, i recall QM mentioning that people need extensive medical care while in the pod or something which i don't think is worth it. The VR rooms are a much safer option.
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>>1795313
Dam son
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>>1795248
Quick question, which version is the Pip-Boy they're offering?
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>>1795248
>>Vault Water Purifier + Chips: Vault sized Water Purification Filters. It isn't enough to filter whole rivers or lakes, but can sustain Vault sized populations. Effectively one of these should work for your population at BigMT
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>>1795343
>Accepting a Shitty deal.
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>>1795343
We don't need that. we have a good roll for negotiating.
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>>1795345
>>1795351
We are hagging, I'm just showing what choice I want after the hagging is done
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>>1795326
That was a long time ago wasn't it? Before you advanced your research and sciences or had a ZAX. Mostly due to a lack of existing files or standing models your scientists had to come up with something from scratch.

These VR pods are attuned enough to keep someone breathing while in use, though its recommended to use the bathroom and not eat before using them to maximize time inside. You may also consider using an anti-diahreal or anticholinergic before use.

>>1795338
A modified version of the Pip-Boy 2000, "Brotherhood Version", specifically designed for mass production. The Pipboy 3000 meanwhile are rarer, and produced in limited amounts mostly by vault dwellers such as Vault City. As far as you are aware, the NCR has not yet had the capability to mass produce pip boys for their whole population. But the brotherhood here have as you see everyone here walking around with them.

They're V.A.T.S. is several updates behind the one in the Pip Boy 3000 (your Pimp Boy 3 million is a super advanced model reserved for the extremely wealthy and one of the best out there), but it is better than having no V.A.T.S.
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>>1795352
We're haggling for more options, wait for QM to post them before deciding.
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>>1795356
But wasn't there something about needing a medical helmet to keep you alive and if the power went down you'd die?
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>>1795356
Can we also sell the hexacrete formula and how to make salient?

They will eventually steal it from the NCR or something, best to profit from them before that happens.
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>>1795379
Dude no, not until we actually confirm there's a chance they could steal it from the NCR, otherwise we'll be trading our best tech away for another shitty deal and raise questions about who we really are.
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>>1795365
Well, yes, if the VR's suddenly lost power that could be quite bad.

There does need to be a medical helmet, these Old World models are built with them.

>>1795379
Of course.

The Ambassador is caught a bit off guard. Normally they sell tech to people of lower tech standards, but evidently you yourself possess technology even more advanced than they.

What they can offer is resources though. Robotic parts,computer electronic chips, things which will greatly speed up construction of various projects and reduce material cost for you
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>>1795356
Qm how did the hangling go?

>>1795399
>>1795379
WE ARE NOT FUCKING SELLING THE GOD DAMN HEXCREETE AND SALIENT OR TELLING THEM WE HAVE THAT
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>>1795399
Wait, did we actually tell them about the Hexcrete?
God dammit now the General will be even more suspicious.
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>>1795404
Right of course, I had said that as an observation

>>1795405
no you didnt.
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>>1795406
Goddamnit, Just.. What did the Hangling DO QM. I'm half asleep here.
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>>1795406
>Right of course, I had said that as an observation
Oh thank Christ.
Alright, assuming we can get 2 civilian techs for 1 of our augs i vote we get.

>Echo-Boy - These special detection devices improve the ability to detect large concentrations of metal, which can be used both for salvaging opertions and for defense
>A Civilian Pip-Boy Production model.
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>>1795313
>>1795308
You tell them upfront its an unfair deal

He tells you it is the will of the Elders, but that they can admit what you are offering is valuable.

They tell you you can sell two of your implants for one of the choices, or go on a quest for them and they will sell these to you at 1 for 1.

The quest is a simple scouting missoin as you are experienced with travel afar and robots tend to lose contact range. they want you to investigate rumors of a Vault to the south and see what you find. If you return with valuable information, they will sell these to you even more cheaply
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>>1795413
Fuck it, let's go on the quest.
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>>1795407
It got us >>1795399
>What they can offer is resources though. Robotic parts,computer electronic chips, things which will greatly speed up construction of various projects and reduce material cost for you
Which is a problem since they can't bring them to us without the MLA finding out and our only method of transport is the Saucer which has limited cargo capacity.
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>>1795413
Walk out, they still aren't treating us fairly or with respect.
Plus i don't want to help them get even better tech, unless they're willing to share what we find in the Vault?
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>>1795416
No it fucking didn't It got us this >>1795413
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>>1795425
Ianon, i just noticed it when i posted.
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>>1795413
>Fuck it, let's go on the quest.
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>>1795428
*I know anon,
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>>1795413
>Fuck it, let's go on the quest.
Maybe they will get a team for us?
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>>1795438
>>1795429
>>1795415
You agree (You will need to do it in next turns hero action). Return here and they will sell you 1 to 1 (or less if what you find is good) as well as consider other trade options since you will be building good rapport.

>>1795438
They can arrange a team for you.
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>>1795415
This
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Alright, i may pass out but there will be new thread and a turn update unless I missed something
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>>1795438
We shouldn't bring a team just in case we fins something really good we want to keep and keep away from the BoS.
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Are we giving them our implants or just the information on how to make them?
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>>1795484
They request the ability to reverse engineer / blueprints for them, and in exchange they are giving you blueprints and samples (the shipment of VR pods comes with the designs to make more)
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>>1795484
It should be stated that though technology and designs can be traded, production ability differs among different specialties. These are things which can alter the balance of trade.
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>>1795490
Given what we have observed (using PER and INT), could they even produce these augments, or are they too high tech?

>>1795413
Voting for:
>Fuck it, let's go on the quest without BoS support
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>>1795507
Given that they mass produce robots and have the backing of religious technology worshipers who invest heavily in human augments, plus the background of being Brotherhood of Steel, yes You believe they could mass produce the chips you give.

Though you haven't yet seen their actual factories. You do think, though you can't prove, yours are far more high and and 1 to 1 your robot factory will outproduce theirs. They are capable of reaching advanced concepts but there's a streamlining and compactedness that BigMT and the ZAX accomplishes.

Might have something to do with you also being able to produce more effective transistors and having alien metal as well.

But as always, they can probably produce more than you because they are bigger and older and have more stuff.
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I think the when we're done with this. We should get the Vault purifying chip. Since only ONE can sustain our pop.

Just think of how much water we can clean. They are giving us chips as in plural amount of these chips.

We could always use our machines to make more of these chips using alien metal to make it even better
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>>1795248
Purifier, echo-boy, sleeptron seem like good choices.
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>>1795554
I'm very suspicious about the sleeptron, that brief period of decreased intellect is strange.
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>>1795557
What's so suspicious about it? There are other things that give temporary Stat maluses in fallout. Like drinking alcohol, iirc.
It is said that there are no longterm ill effects
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>>1795404
It's already out there in NCR hands. Either we sell it when we can, or they get it off the NCR. If we can get something out of it, then we should.
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>>1795734
I'm inclined to agree - especially as we gave a sample to the Enclave which they could have reverse engineered

At a minimum we should sell hexacrete for something. That just makes their buildings stronger, it doesn't have the multifaceted nature of salient. Also salient would let them reduce their farming forces, empowering them too much.

We want them strong against the MLA , but not too strong.

QM, can we talk to the ZAX at this distance on a secure channel? I want to know how SPI would infiltrate their network to boost our Intel gathering capabilties.
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>>1795777
Giving them access to hexcrete would make them so much ridiculously entrenched.
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>>1795846
And?

We want to ally with them don't we?

This way we get more tech and they get stronger, it's win win.
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>>1795852
I'm a little wary about he machine god religion they have going on. These sound like the people Ridick fought before.

Also, it depends if we will be able to sway their opinion on mutants.
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>>1795859
We're already trading them the implants which are helpful to the BOS military though, so there is not much of a reason not to trade at least the hexacrete formula.
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>>1795777
I agree, supporting
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Busy today, thread later tonight.

I'm considering the littler boon idea, that . I'd give you one every founding day, and it gives a light boost but not a 100 boost, and can reduce but not negate crits. Two being worth a general boon. I hadn't anticipated giving you guys a free nat100 every year. Every two years seems fair.

Crits are rarer than I imagined, mostly because my system only requires you guys to roll.
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>>1795859
Perhaps when you return to BigMT you should ask him again.
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>>1793870
>>1793873
Hey as raiders go he is fairly nice.

>>1793908
>The MLA wants to use the Legion against the NCR though, so we'll have to make it sound like a good idea to him.
Once we start supplying the MLA with these AA rockets, possibly a few AT ones and anything else we are willing to produce, they'll be able to push the NCR back and take more ground. So they will come to rely less on the Legion soaking up the NCR's wrath.

>>1794316
Honestly I feel we've been getting them at a good rate. Seeing as we spend them so frequently on avoiding disaster, it leaves only a few occasions where we can spare them to enhance our actual actions and shit.


As to what we are going to do about these guys, let's just do this quest and see what that Vault they want us to find has to offer. If we are lucky we can grab some good shit from there to reverse engineer ourselves as well as giving them a copy.
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>>1795902
Cool Beans, my littler boon idea is being considered
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>>1795914
The nicest raider is like the fastest snail. While a rather nice relative accomplishment, it's not that great on a grander scope.
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>>1796098
Eh, he's better than a fair few people that some want us to deal with on amicable terms. The BOS for example, assuming we can't convince them to stop with the mutant / ghoul hate.
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>>1796107
I like the BoS, Niner uses slaves as cannon fodder, he even told us he should use them as suicide bombers.
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>>1796107
I think he's rather the worst person we're trying to deal with. Mostly can't get over the rape. That's more unforgivable to me than the Britherhood's racism.
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>>1796107
>>1796113
Agreed with this anon, I quite like the BOS and i am most definitely not keen on going to war with them.

>>1796117
I wouldn't even call it racism, their genetic structure is so far from ours they are essentially a different and very dangerous species
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BoS is nowhere near as bad as raiders and Niner
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>>1796113
>I like the BoS, Niner uses slaves as cannon fodder, he even told us he should use them as suicide bombers.
That is inaccurate. He was talking about how they want to make Lobo's and have them do that, since they experience no fear / higher thought and thus fight to the death no matter what.

Also he'd struggle to get slaves to fight for him I'd expect. Still if he says so next time we meet him, that'll change my perception depending on the logic (e.g if the slaves get the choice and get freed if they survive).

>>1796117
>I think he's rather the worst person we're trying to deal with. Mostly can't get over the rape. That's more unforgivable to me than the Brotherhood's racism.
So you can deal with the NCR genocide of cultures?

As to the rape, unless you are referring to him not interfering back in NV with what the Fiends did, I have no idea what you are talking about.

>>1796118
>Agreed with this anon, I quite like the BOS and i am most definitely not keen on going to war with them.
I don't like any of the factions we have encountered but I feel that the BOS's ideological position shall only cause problems while also preventing our advancement if we adhere to their principles.

>I wouldn't even call it racism, their genetic structure is so far from ours they are essentially a different and very dangerous species
And that is a good enough reason to justify genocide? The possibility of war? The potential for damage?

By your logic we should kill all of Unity, all intelligent death-claws and so on. Without trial or reason or evidence you would condemn thousands to die.

>>1796124
The MLA, ignoring the dark god shit, work off of strength of arms. Something which although I don't condone or like, I can respect and understand. They don't care if you are black, white, green, rotting or robotic. They don't care if you worship their dark god or no god. They don't even care if you are a cannibal or a sadist or anything else. So long as you are generally capable of holding your own? They have some respect for you.

I disagree with what they do but I respect that for the most part their hate of the NCR and BOS and their war with them isn't racial or ideological or religious (dark god wanting sacrifices withstanding) or even nationalist. It's a matter of "us or them" for the MLA and I can respect why they do it even if I think that most of them deserve death for what they have done / do.


Meanwhile the BOS want to kill all non-humans (including ghouls and their own members who change) by working them to death and firing squads. I could respect MLA members when captured and sympathisers. I could respect criminals. I can't respect labelling a entire group as something to kill off and work to death without reason.
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>>1796198
Here is my opinion on factions
Enclave>BoS>NCR=Legion>MLA

I would give reasons but I'm a bit busy and writing on the phone.
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>>1796221
I'm interested to see your logic for this but I can respect you having different thoughts on this.
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>>1796198
That's still a slave army. Just because the reward is freedom, doesn't nake you a slave.

On a scale of bad to terrible, what the NCR is doing is less bad than the MLA. At least the NCR doesn't force anyone to being sex slaves.
Niner raped our officer lady. And he probably didn't not rape anyone in McCarran. If i see someone sitting high and mighty amongst a rape gang, i'm going to assume he partook.

While the BOS idealogy would cause some friction, nowhere near as muxh as the MLA.

We would work to change the brotherhood's path. It's not an all or nothing thing.

I find the ideology of "might makes right" to be a despicable one that deserves no respect. And I think you're misrepresenting them as being more noble than they are. It's not something worthy of respect to fight for the ability to be terrible people.

The Brotherhood has their reasons. Flawed reasons, but reasons none the less. More reason than the MLA has for doing what it does. I prefer someone operating of flawed logic rather than someone operating of no logic.
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>>1796198
MLA and anyone with them including Niner are absolute scumbags. BoS, NCR and even Legion is million times better than them.
Your sense of morality is compete garbage tier if you think there is anything redeeming about MLA.
I don't mind trading with them to enrich us while making our enemies weaker but in no regard do I think they deserve complete annihilation.
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>>1796233
anything but complete annihilation*
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>>1796198
>I don't like any of the factions we have encountered but I feel that the BOS's ideological position shall only cause problems while also preventing our advancement if we adhere to their principles.
I do agree on this.

>And that is a good enough reason to justify genocide? The possibility of war? The potential for damage?

>By your logic we should kill all of Unity, all intelligent death-claws and so on. Without trial or reason or evidence you would condemn thousands to die.

I come from a rural background and we tend to kill off as many predators as we can. The super mutants and feral ghouls are just that, predators. It aint pretty but it is how it is.

My point is that they are no longer human and should not be regarded as such, if they are intelligent then I have no problems with them like Cain and Raul(Probably one of my favorite companions i might add). If a dog gets rabies we shoot it. If a dog kills a sheep we put it down, simple as that. There is no difference except in the degree of danger that a feral ghoul or super mutant poses as opposed to a rabid dog.
Dewclaws are out of control bio weapons and should be eliminated for the future safety of our offspring.
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>>1796198
>Meanwhile the BOS want to kill all non-humans (including ghouls and their own members who change) by working them to death and firing squads. I could respect MLA members when captured and sympathisers. I could respect criminals. I can't respect labelling a entire group as something to kill off and work to death without reason.

Tell me, how many go through ghoulification and retain their mind?
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>>1796249
Most of them probably. Going feral generally requires either time as a ghoul, or lots of rads. If he noticed ghoulification after being removed from the area, he would likely have been a normal sane ghoul.
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>>1796261
I do not disagree, this one would probably have been as normal as a ghoul can be. I am talking about in general. For all we know for every sane ghoul there can be three ferals, or vice versa. We just do not know how this works.

Dealing with the brotherhood, i would expect it to be lots of rads as they do wear power armour and are well supplied, so the risk is definitely there. Again, how big a risk it is, is unknown to us.
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>>1796232
>That's still a slave army. Just because the reward is freedom, doesn't nake you a slave.
The implication is different however if it is optional and my main point still stands that he was talking about Lobo's.

>On a scale of bad to terrible, what the NCR is doing is less bad than the MLA. At least the NCR doesn't force anyone to being sex slaves.
So you consider the death of an individual, a complete certainty of destruction of potential and capability, worse than a series of traumatic events?

They ARE both terrible, I agree but I disagree that the mass killing of entire cultures is as bad as a percentage of a percentage being, admittedly horribly, mistreated. Especially whenever we've seen little example of unwilling sex slaves as of this moment in time, although I agree they most likely exist but I doubt in Niner's employ.

>Niner raped our officer lady.
She was incapable of consent or willing depending on how you look at it. Seeing as from what we've seen and heard her body did these acts of "it's" own will. Still you raise an interesting philosophical point that is worthy of debate and we should certainly consider it further.

>And he probably didn't not rape anyone in McCarran. If i see someone sitting high and mighty amongst a rape gang, i'm going to assume he partook.
Fair enough, we should probably ask but we can't be certain as of now.

>While the BOS idealogy would cause some friction, nowhere near as muxh as the MLA.
To be fair the MLA don't really give two shits what we do, so long as we aren't attacking them or aiding their enemies. So long as Niner and such are in control and we are too tough to beat for our scrap / slaving value. Still I can see what you mean, seeing as the dark god's influence probably only grows.

>We would work to change the brotherhood's path. It's not an all or nothing thing.
If we fail to, I will not hesitate in their elimination. I respect your point however, we can try repeatedly but the effect shall be lessened every time and will potentially sour relations.

>I find the ideology of "might makes right" to be a despicable one that deserves no respect.
Fair enough. I don't like but I understand it as a simple, reliable system which works well for societies like the MLA where there are too many cultures and such interacting to create a consistent legal system that would appeal to all.
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>>1796314
>And I think you're misrepresenting them as being more noble than they are. It's not something worthy of respect to fight for the ability to be terrible people.
Except not all or many of them are fighting for that, many fight to avoid extermination by the NCR for the cultural beliefs or merely being tribals. Where as the super-mutants, death-claws, ghouls and such fight to avoid death by the BOS and the same for the "mutant sympathiser" humans who want them to have equal rights. Not to mention the "tech" people from the BOS who use forbidden technology apparently. They are a union of groups who act as one to oppose their major enemies and threats no matter internal disagreements.

This is not to diminish the fact that many, as far as we have seen, are slavers and bandits however I would argue this is because we've primarily only encountered them when we intended to fight or to buy slaves. Admittedly this is not to imply there are a great many "civilians" but there is a certain mass that aren't as you would describe "terrible people". At least not yet, seeing as they do have children and other such people among their number.

>The Brotherhood has their reasons. Flawed reasons, but reasons none the less. More reason than the MLA has for doing what it does. I prefer someone operating of flawed logic rather than someone operating of no logic.
The MLA has the same level of logic as BOS. Seeing as their logic is that they can't live their lifestyles in the BOS (who oppose religion, certain technologies, mutants, certain cultural decisions and such) or in the NCR (who oppose free enterprise, tribals and such) so they have banded together, as their individual strength is too little to resist their foes, and created a state in which all of theirs may live.

I agree that their state is horrifying and should be destroyed but don't imply the BOS have much better reasons for what they pursue. Seeing as their hate of mutants is literally that they MIGHT do bad shit.
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>TFW We are able to unite America, and we show the true meaning of being a American.
https://youtu.be/RKM1AAzeRCg
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>>1796327
>>1796329
Didn't you post this in My Father's Country too?
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>>1796233
>MLA and anyone with them including Niner are absolute scumbags.
We lack knowledge of every member of the MLA, so you can't make that statement with any great certainty. Chances are there are quite a few worth saving but they are a percentage of the whole.

>BoS, NCR and even Legion is million times better than them.
They are all horrible too and I'd argue that genocide, genocide and genocide aren't better than enslavement and what follows.

>Your sense of morality is compete garbage tier if you think there is anything redeeming about MLA.
You mean besides the children and groups whom have little choice if they want to survive besides cooperating, correct?

>>1796238
>anything but complete annihilation*
Then you are willing to slaughter children in their beds? Babies in their cots? To damn entire cultures and people's to the history books at best?

Not to mention any of the former Followers of the apocalypse who joined the MLA. How about them?
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>>1796331
Are you following me? It works for both,
so it's a good song.
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>>1796244
>I come from a rural background and we tend to kill off as many predators as we can. The super mutants and feral ghouls are just that, predators. It aint pretty but it is how it is.
You are comparing sentient individuals with unthinking animals. You are comparing individuals capable of higher level reasoning and communication with fucking wolves and foxes. You are comparing labourers and jobholders with beasts in the woods.

I can't agree nor imagine how you can support this concept.

>My point is that they are no longer human and should not be regarded as such, if they are intelligent then I have no problems with them like Cain and Raul (Probably one of my favorite companions i might add). If a dog gets rabies we shoot it. If a dog kills a sheep we put it down, simple as that. There is no difference except in the degree of danger that a feral ghoul or super mutant poses as opposed to a rabid dog.
I must disagree, seeing as we have in past met intelligent super mutants where as you would compare them to a feral and a rabid dog which is fucking despicable.

>Dewclaws are out of control bio weapons and should be eliminated for the future safety of our offspring.
INTELLIGENT Death-claws. As smart as humans if not more so. You would doom an entire species just so you can pretend to have made the world safer.

>>1796249
>Tell me, how many go through ghoulification and retain their mind?
Statistics are lacking but based off of Nuka-world and the fact that a large number of ghouls were created there during the period post-war, we can assume that a fair portion do at least for a fair time since they had seemingly years before the first went feral. However the way that they are exposed to radiation seemingly does have an effect on their survival rate but information is, once again, lacking.

We are an increasingly technologically advanced civilisation and can almost certainly resolve the issue however, so I doubt a problem would arise.
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>>1796343
>You are comparing sentient individuals with unthinking animals. You are comparing individuals capable of higher level reasoning and communication with fucking wolves and foxes. You are comparing labourers and jobholders with beasts in the woods.
He said Feral ghouls mate, and most supermutants after the death of the Master did go on to kill humans, they're kinda like raiders.
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>>1796343
How are feral ghouls sentient?

Mate you are missing my point, feral dogs != normal dogs, nor do feral ghouls = normal ghouls
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>>1796314
>>I find the ideology of "might makes right" to be a despicable one that deserves no respect.
>Fair enough. I don't like but I understand it as a simple, reliable system which works well for societies like the MLA where there are too many cultures and such interacting to create a consistent legal system that would appeal to all.
>>1788428
Technically, the MLA aren't immoral as they are amoral. The MLA's cultist-anarchist system is such that their ethics are entirely upon who the warlord is and their ability to enforce said ethics, and they could be as upstanding as ours depending on who said warlord is.
Unfortunately, the MLA tends to draw the worst of the lot, which makes it a moot point unless we speak their "might makes right" language.

>>1796334
>We lack knowledge of every member of the MLA, so you can't make that statement with any great certainty. Chances are there are quite a few worth saving but they are a percentage of the whole.
Or at least, if there are people worth saving, they'd be the ones hidden or on the down low.
Technically we could try converting them with the Warlord enforcement policies that I mentioned. Of which Niner could be a proxy depending on how well it goes with him, we'd have to ask him about just what his level of depravity is.

>>1796244
>The super mutants and feral ghouls are just that, predators.
>>1796343
>I must disagree, seeing as we have in past met intelligent super mutants where as you would compare them to a feral and a rabid dog which is fucking despicable.
On the topic of super mutants, they're not necessarily predators as they are unemployed veterans who only know how to fight. As we've seen with Marcus, they can be led fairly easily to living a peaceful lifestyle so long as we get a negotiator to proxy.

>>1796343
>INTELLIGENT Death-claws.
Also, the ones that went to the BoS at least, I'm not sure which ones, are the pack led by Best Friend, who is loyal to us in the same manners Niner is.

>>1796343
>Statistics are lacking but based off of Nuka-world and the fact that a large number of ghouls were created there during the period post-war,
Isn't there a Ghoul City? I forget the name of it, but I think a large number of ghouls lived or retired there.
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>>1796356
>Also, the ones that went to the BoS at least, I'm not sure which ones, are the pack led by Best Friend, who is loyal to us in the same manners Niner is.
>>1788818
>>>>>>Animals: 1 Deathclaw
>>>>>>Other: 1 Deathclaw Egg
Also, guys, we need to raise that Deathclaw Egg soon before it marks the Deathclaw instead of us.
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>>1796343
>I must disagree, seeing as we have in past met intelligent super mutants where as you would compare them to a feral and a rabid dog which is fucking despicable.

As uncouth as your language is, I see where you are coming from. The thing is, out of all the super mutants we have met how many were intelligent? How many tried to kill us on sight? We cannot allow the exceptions define the group. Sure the ones who followed Marcus were alright, but how many don't? How many raid and murder?
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>>1796351
>most supermutants after the death of the Master did go on to kill humans, they're kinda like raiders.
They were persecuted and hated by more or less anyone they encountered and left without leadership. Plus they loved the Master so it makes sense they acted the way they did.

>>1796352
I missed the Ferals bit. To be fair I'm tired as shit but I do apologise. However the point still stands regarding the supermutants.
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>>1796356
>Unfortunately, the MLA tends to draw the worst of the lot, which makes it a moot point unless we speak their "might makes right" language.
True but there is a part of their population which is morally upstanding compared to their compatriots and much closer to us. However we've not exactly been in a position to encounter them.

>Or at least, if there are people worth saving, they'd be the ones hidden or on the down low.
Probably, again this is a society at war where the easiest way to get rich is raiding / fighting. Makes sense that they'd be the ones in control and shit.

>Technically we could try converting them with the Warlord enforcement policies that I mentioned. Of which Niner could be a proxy depending on how well it goes with him, we'd have to ask him about just what his level of depravity is.
Yeah, something like that.

>On the topic of super mutants, they're not necessarily predators as they are unemployed veterans who only know how to fight. As we've seen with Marcus, they can be led fairly easily to living a peaceful lifestyle so long as we get a negotiator to proxy.
Correct. Plus the low intelligence ones can easily be entertained and shit.

>Also, the ones that went to the BoS at least, I'm not sure which ones, are the pack led by Best Friend, who is loyal to us in the same manners Niner is.
I could've sworn they were with the MLA but yeah.

>Isn't there a Ghoul City? I forget the name of it, but I think a large number of ghouls lived or retired there.
You are thinking of one of the older Fallout's which I've not got a good memory for.
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>>1796371
Persecution had little to do with it.
There's also the East coast supermutants(Vault 87), who began killing humans and taking them prisoner to convert them into more Supermutants, barring a few individuals, nearly all of those supermutants acted violent towards humans once they were created.
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>>1796364
Do you think it would be possible to clone the eggs for more potential deathclaws?
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>>1796365
You treat it as a case by case basis.
Give the super mutants a chance to join us, if they refuse and would rather raid and kill then you know where they stand.
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>>1796393
>True but there is a part of their population which is morally upstanding compared to their compatriots and much closer to us.
We don't even know if such a group exists within the MLA, our dialogue with them has clearly shown they are comprised of raiders, tribals(Who are mostly Cannibals if we believe the BoS), mad scientists and the Cult. You are being wishful.
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>>1786720
>We have a smart Deathclaw clan lead by an alpha called Basim. Apparently their leader comes from the Mojave and a different Deathclaw clan that got split in two after the son of the last alpha got into a quarrel with the brother of the alpha. Half of them joined us, the other half went to the Brotherhood of Steel.
>>1796393
>I could've sworn they were with the MLA but yeah.
They split into two groups. One was the former pack leader's brother before Best Friend, or Best Friend's brother, and the other was the son or Best Friend that went to the BoS.

>>1796398
Probably. I think that'd be under the FEV research though.
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>>1796314
If it was a choice between being a war slave and a sex slave, it's not really a choice.

I consider a literal lifetime of being violates and your personhood denied as worse than death. I would prefer death, vs the alternative. It would be a mercy.

Incapable of consent being the operative phrase, it is rape. A retard can ask for it all they want, it's still rape.

Problem with friction os it goes both ways. Our people would hate being involved withthe MLA, and no amount of logical arguments would cut through their emotional reaction. Our vastly different moral systems would cause conflict rather quickly.

Convincing the brotherhood just takes the right arguments. The Brotherhood is capable of reasoning and empathy the MLA generally lacks.

Its a simple and reliable system in that it is the one that appeals to the lowest dregs of society. It's the same solution that feral dogs take, and i would hope people have more developed ideas than that to be worthy of respect.

>>1796320
If they were fighting for self preservation and such and were good people, they could have formed their own faction. The MLA does not hide what it does. Any who joined them made their bed.

The MLA is the MLA because they were rejected by the closest things to civilized society. While their mktives may originally been pure, the actions they have taken makes one believe that their intent is not libertarian paradise, but a greed and lust fueled race to the bottom of humanity. The brotherhood and NCR at least have a sense of morality. The MLA has people ot doesn't like.
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>>1796404
Hell Niner admits the MLA has little to no normal people among them >>1788275
>Hah. You think 'normal' folk tend to join us? No, 'normal' folk are like sheep that the Brotherhood and the NCR like to put blindfolds over.
>We get Tribals, we get Criminals, we get Freebooters and Mutants and Ghouls and all sorts. You know why?
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>>1796403
While i fully agree with you, some caution is required when dealing with supermutants
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>>1796365
>The thing is, out of all the super mutants we have met how many were intelligent?
Of the ones that the Courier would've met, most of them would have been moderately unintelligent or better.

>How many tried to kill us on sight?
About as many as humans I would assume.

>Sure the ones who followed Marcus were alright, but how many don't? How many raid and murder?
I suppose but we can't blame the near retarded supermutants for their actions like you wouldn't blame a unsupervised child. They did what they had to to survive.

That doesn't excuse them but it's not like they went out of their way to be overly evil or anything.

>>1796394
>There's also the East coast supermutants(Vault 87), who began killing humans and taking them prisoner to convert them into more Supermutants, barring a few individuals, nearly all of those supermutants acted violent towards humans once they were created.
True but that was a different strain of FEV and shit. Again the main point is that of the Supermutants around these days, most of them aren't genocidal. They just don't want to be mistreated.
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No new thread yet but I'm here if you want any IC information from the Courier or continued dialogue with BoS people
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Since my drawing for Securiton did not go through, I'll try my hand on 'improving' tankitron design.

Fisrt of all, lets try to do away with blocky design. Angular and round shapes provide better protection. If you take an armor plating and put in at an angle, then a projective going straight at it has to go through more armor than if it was just vertically up and has a higher chance at ricocheting.
Even with added mass at the back, it should have the same maneuverability the Tankitron has

Make the design a big longer at the back, becoming narrower as it goes further. It will provide space for better energy-to-ammo module and give better protection from the back.

Turn small missile pod into a large missile launcher capable of firing 4 missiles at once. If there is a need for area saturation, the Tankitron can switch to producing Swarm Missiles. They are a 2 stage missile which in midflight will break up into smaller missiles like in previous designs. One such missle can hold 4 smaller ones, meaning one launcher could saturate area with 16 missiles with one salvo. 32 if both shoulders are used

Tankitron can switch to the missile variant Niner gave us which can track air and land targets and can pierce their armor.

Drew the laser guiding laser weapon that MAJOR designed. I don't like the look of LAER and tesla cannon in game

It starts looking less and less like a humanoid robot and more like a small hover tank. Which is good in my opinion
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>>1796430
That is beautiful anon. Not what I had in mind but an amazing take on it.

I should conider doing crude sketches on paint and seeing if any anons are wiling to beef it up.
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>>1796430
I don't like the Look of the body, it's bottom is to long.
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>>1796404
>>1796419
I never said they were a large portion of the population but they do exist. Seeing as they have children and we can be certain that they won't all be of one mind.

>>1796405
>They split into two groups. One was the former pack leader's brother before Best Friend, or Best Friend's brother, and the other was the son or Best Friend that went to the BoS.
Yeah, main point is that he is somewhere.

>>1796408
>If it was a choice between being a war slave and a sex slave, it's not really a choice.
Except that isn't the choice. Seeing as they keep slaves for industrial, agricultural, tunnelling and other such work. You are creating a false concept that their only roles are death or sex.

>I consider a literal lifetime of being violates and your personhood denied as worse than death. I would prefer death, vs the alternative. It would be a mercy.
True.

>Incapable of consent being the operative phrase, it is rape. A retard can ask for it all they want, it's still rape.
A retard, assuming they are recognised as a capable adult by a nation, can consent. Also I disagree with your conclusion that she was unwilling. Again, her actions in our presence imply willingness.

>Problem with friction os it goes both ways. Our people would hate being involved withthe MLA, and no amount of logical arguments would cut through their emotional reaction. Our vastly different moral systems would cause conflict rather quickly.
I disagree, seeing as we'd be saving slaves and preventing the NCR from killing thousands of somewhat innocent tribals and shit. Still it's a matter to discuss.

>Convincing the brotherhood just takes the right arguments. The Brotherhood is capable of reasoning and empathy the MLA generally lacks.
Interesting that you attempt to de-personify the MLA but to address your actual point: you'd need to find those arguments which will be difficult.

>Its a simple and reliable system in that it is the one that appeals to the lowest dregs of society.
Your opinion and one I must disagree with. It's a system which sees all judged off of inherent value.

>It's the same solution that feral dogs take, and i would hope people have more developed ideas than that to be worthy of respect.
You are comparing sentient to non-sentient. Don't, it creates problems.

As to "more developed", that doesn't mean good or fair or right by any means.

>If they were fighting for self preservation and such and were good people, they could have formed their own faction. The MLA does not hide what it does. Any who joined them made their bed.
So you are saying that they should've stood alone and been killed in a matter of months? Rather than acting as a part of a greater whole and not dying?

That seems insane to me.
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>>1796446
>I never said they were a large portion of the population but they do exist.
No they do not.
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>>1796446
>The MLA is the MLA because they were rejected by the closest things to civilized society. While their mktives may originally been pure, the actions they have taken makes one believe that their intent is not libertarian paradise, but a greed and lust fueled race to the bottom of humanity. The brotherhood and NCR at least have a sense of morality. The MLA has people ot doesn't like.

>>1796450
Now you are speaking with absolute certainty about a nation-state with a large population.

We know for a fact that there are members of the Followers of the apocalypse in the MLA which many here would consider morally upstanding people. Not to mention the young children of all present (admittedly the raiders and such probably aren't producing the best children) and the merchants and such who don't raid and shit, as few as they may be.
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>>1796435
New turn when QM?

Also, can we talk to the ZAX at this distance on a secure channel? I want to know how SPI would infiltrate their network to boost our Intel gathering capabilties.
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>>1796454
>Now you are speaking with absolute certainty about a nation-state with a large population.
Yep, because Niner told us very clearly that they don't have normal people.
Those children? They're most likely being taught how to be raiders, it's not like the MLA is hiding it's nature from them what with all the slaves, shooting and dead bodies.
Hell they could be taught by the Cult for all we know.
>We know for a fact that there are members of the Followers of the apocalypse in the MLA which many here would consider morally upstanding people.
They're probably the mad scientists and mad surgeons Niner was talking about, besides, why would the Followers join the MLA? A bunch of raiders and criminals?
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>>1796446

>A retard, assuming they are recognised as a capable adult by a nation, can consent. Also I disagree with your conclusion that she was unwilling. Again, her actions in our presence imply willingness.

..... Are yall talking about our officer being raped in MLA custody?
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>>1796470
yes
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>>1796454
Shit forgot what I was going to write:

>The MLA is the MLA because they were rejected by the closest things to civilised society.
Rejected isn't accurate for the Mutants and Tribals. Seeing as they'd both be killed in the BOS and NCR respectively.

>While their motives may originally been pure, the actions they have taken makes one believe that their intent is not libertarian paradise, but a greed and lust fuelled race to the bottom of humanity.
That is your conception where as I would argue that they've all discarded individual goals for now while they deal with the threats around them and would descend on each other given time / success.

>The brotherhood and NCR at least have a sense of morality.
Well of course the MLA does have a sense of morality. It's a alliance of different people with different beliefs, so it runs off of many different systems.

Also you are assuming that, as previously mentioned it's not mostly a system of not fucking each other over or if you do, being able to deal with the shit you stir up as their moral system. They leave everything else to the individuals to deal with and the war lords to declare "laws".

>The MLA has people it doesn't like.
Yes, because theirs is a alliance of convenience against mutual foes.
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>>1796470
yes.
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>>1796458
Its too far for your Alien UFO radio to reach, even with the digital upgrade.
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>>1796471
>>1796474

.... Unbelievable.
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>>1796476
Yep, this is why i hate this anon.
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>>1796476
Agreed
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Kinda funny all this talk because the MLA may be one of the less homogenous factions out there, where the NCR, Legoin, and BoS are relatively uniform among their peoples (mostly).

From the way Niner talks about them there are many different clans
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>>1796470
Correct.
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>>1796489
Anon, It might uh.. be best to just withdraw until voting.
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>>1796489
>>1796495
no
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Alright, working on that new thread soon.
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>>1796435
thanks man

>>1796441
here
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>>1796476
I fail to see what your concern with my position is.

>>1796495
Nope. I'd rather explain my position than let it be left off like this.
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>>1796471
>>1796474
>>1796489
Okay...

I mean, I'm for the BoS and not defending the MLA - but we do this as well.

The skinvelopes (mindless humans) are used as prostitutes within our society.

So by agreeing here, you're also saying that we've supported institutionalised rape...
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>>1796505
MUCH better.
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>>1796508
Huh, that was voted by the people right?
Still, huh.
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>>1796508
That is my opinion yes.
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>>1796508
There is a difference between using literal mindless and brainless huskes that you can't cure. And using a woman who can be cured.
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>>1796508
yes.
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>>1796506
RIP.

>>1796508
yes
>>1796516
yes

>>1789177
>>1796430
>>1796505
>>1792252
QM said MAJOR could look at them once we show him our designs later.
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>>1796508
>>1796519

With the lobotomites it was made absolutely sure by our Brain and Followers that there was no way to bring them back. They were, for all intents and purposes, dead.

With the Officer, it might be a very different story, considering her brain is still alive and well. Perhaps with a bit neurological research we'd be able to bring her back.

though I still don't agree with their treatment.
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>>1796505
>>1796510
And much closer too.

This one looks like a potential Hazard Variant.

Truth be told, the non-Hazard Tankitron main body is exactly like the normal (MP) Securitron, with the exception of the A. Big Alien Battery or B. Small Fissile Battery, and the short booster rockets.

It's just shinier and made of super alloys, and painted in American Green with White Stars.

>>1796505
Anon if I Ms paint something together could you sketch it up?
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>>1796527
>QM said MAJOR could look at them once we show him our designs later.

Yeah, I remember.
I'm trying my hand at direct Tankitron upgrade. Not a separate robot design.
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>>1796530
Ultimately I understand why we are endorsing it.

[/spoiler] But I dont agree with it. At all.
[/spoiler]
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>>1796531
>Anon if I Ms paint something together could you sketch it up?

Maybe. I could try.

I'm not really that good of a drawer. I just take parts of good pictures I find and mash them together.
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>>1796530
>With the lobotomites it was made absolutely sure by our Brain and Followers that there was no way to bring them back. They were, for all intents and purposes, dead.
Hmmm.

Well, the thing with that anon is in all those other cases the Brain was either A. Missing or B. had significant parts of it damaged or cut out by the Auto Doc due to a programming error.

In this case, and most peculiarly, her Brain is technically (mostly) intact in the Tact Bot, but its the part of her CNS in her body that's been bongled. If what Niner says is true, her Tesla Coil might be damaged in such a way that it didn't kill her but severed her connetion to BigMT's global Tesla Tower.

That is not to say its not entirely possible her case isn't irreversible either, but there is a difference.

Truth be told you feel as though you need to reevaluate or look closer into the nature of Tesla Coils and the Brain. There may be something deeper into the system that isn't spoken of. Specifically, how does the Radar Fence knock out both lobotomites and the Think Tank if they get too close, while allowing average humans to walk through unharmed.
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>>1796527
>QM said MAJOR could look at them once we show him our designs later.
Speaking of that, QM what do the ZAX think of my airship design?
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>>1796516
Indeed it was.

>>1796523
>>1796530
Maybe so - but the MLA doesn't know that and couldn't have know that.

Skinvelopes are non-sentiment, for all intents and purposes. They are basically plants.
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>>1796523
Except the point is that she wasn't in control or aware of her body and thus there was no functional difference. It'd be like if we'd made a clone body of her after her original body was lost and he fucked that before we "reinstalled" her brain so to speak. So it was still a skinvelope and shit.

Main point is that Niner has, at least on this occasion, done nothing majorly wrong. Seriously though, this isn't rape seeing as he wasn't aware of how she became like this, he didn't cause it and the body was "willing". But we'd probably be better off just never speaking of this ever again and pretending it didn't happen.


Second point: my position is perfectly acceptable screw all of you who were weird as hell about it.
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>>1796538
>[/spoiler] But I dont agree with it. At all.
>[/spoiler]
RIP

>>1796532
Yeah. So we'll get to see his thoughts on all the potential upgrades or variants.

>>1796542
Isn't this the Supreme Commander air transport?
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>>1796540

Next turn we should really do the neurological research the Post-scarcity guys asked for.
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>>1796551
It's more of a Dauntless light cruiser with a thinner but. SupCom transports are more stick like.
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>>1796549
I mean, I know Niner didn't mean to do anything on purpose. None in the MLA knew about it until the shit happened and she 'reverted' back to her base animal desires. I was just making a point between the difference here.

>>1796551
He based it off warhammer.
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>>1796551
>Isn't this the Supreme Commander air transport?
No it's inspired by the warhammer 40k Dauntless light cruiser.
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>>1796542
>>1796555
>>1796556
>>1796560
Ah, right. That makes more sense when I look at it like that.
>>1796551
On another note, I still find it odd how the Supreme Commander air transports don't have an armored or covered variants for their bots, so the ship or bots don't near instantly die when they get within range of an AA or flak cannon.

>>1796549
>Second point: my position is perfectly acceptable screw all of you who were weird as hell about it.
lol
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>>1796549

Except that she is literally a sex slave. She has no right to say no.

Except that the cult has done so much to her that she may not even be able to say no, even if she could.

Except that she cant give consent considering her brain is miles away.

Except that how her body acts autonomously isnt the same as consent.

There have been so many studies into the rape debate that you can literally just google it. You may even learn something.

Jesus I cant tell if you are trolling me or just an idiot. Niner may not have wanted to rape her, and may not consider anything wrong with it, but that doesnt just retroactively mean it didn't happen.

>Second point: my position is perfectly acceptable screw all of you who were weird as hell about it.
Nevermind, you gotta be trolling me. Congrats, you got me.
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>>1796542
Looking good anon. Does it have any canons pointing down to blast land targets?
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Have we done diplomacy with the General yet?

I can foresee us having a diplomatic opening. We offer to take in any equalist tribals he comes upon that, under his current strategy, would simply join the MLA and fight against him (this provides a military incentive). We need the population anyway, to be honest.

We can also offer to take any military-turned-ghouls/mutants that he would otherwise execute, under the auspice that we are beginning research into FEV and might develop a cure for ghoulishness.

If we make this offer and burn the cultural boon I think we'd have a fair chance of getting it, though obviously any official deal should be more detailed and net us MORE.
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>>1796601
We should do that after we complete their quest and trading tech. Their disposition towards us will be better.
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>>1796600
Yes, i just forgot to draw them.
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>>1796601
He hasnt let us meet with him yet, but that seems solid.
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>>1796621
You know you could literally talk to him at any time as he is a Brain in control of a vast robot army. You just can't meet him in person.
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>>1796542
QM are you still here?
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>>1796623
>>1796626
Nevermind then.
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>>1796623
I want to meet him in person.
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Suggestion for our next turn:

>HERO
- Complete BoS quest by ourself and then go back and trade
- Once we return, publish Vol. I of our book

>CONSTRUCT
Upgrade our solar facility, improving it in size and power generation capacity

>CIV
Build VR pods for our school and encourage more education amongst our populace

>MILITARY
Send a team of human soldiers led by Cain to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.

>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot

>ZAX RESEARCH
Look at ways to significant improve Rad-Away and Rad-X with the intent to use it in the Divide and to trade with the BoS.
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>>1796606
Well of course, it'll also lend credence to us saying we might be able to cure military officers of ghoul-ism.

Now, the sticking point is that he'll certainly want to investigate Big MT before agreeing to anything. Accordingly we'll have to forewarn him of our ideas about mutants (while still stating that we would like to develop a cure for them) probably as per a somewhat modified version of this (that leans more towards a pragmatist tone): >>1792050
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>>1796637
Im fine whith this.
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>>1796566
They don't get covered so the bots can shoot out. The ghetto gunship strat.
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>>1796637
The construction and ZAX should be.
>Build loaders and Omni-bots to get the 2nd construction action.
Also VR pods suck, you need a medical helmet to use them and if the power goes out you die.
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>>1796623
>>1796626
>>1796629
no

>>1796364
>>1796637
What about our Deathclaw and Deathclaw Eggs?
What about our borders or territories that we left unsecured and could potentially be infiltrated?

>>1796642
I know what you mean, but still. It would be nice for those that don't want to do that strat.
>The ghetto gunship strat.
Good times. High risk, high reward.
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>>1796637

Our main priority should be setting up engineering corps.
After we get it, our construction actions will be MASSIVELY improved.

We are trying to cut trees with a dull saw instead of sitting down and sharpening it.
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>>1796645
They can be our passive robot construction option.

Why would we use ZAX research on something we already know...?

Also I just said VR pods because that's what is in the post-scarcity list. But didn't the QM say above that it no longer requires a medical suite - just that people will need to leave it to use the toilet and eat.
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>>1796637
Here's a better one.


>HERO
- Complete BoS quest by ourself and then go back and trade
- Once we return, publish Vol. I of our book

>CONSTRUCT
Support the ZAX action.

>CIV
I dunno, maybe research a better VR pods or just build VR rooms

>MILITARY
Send a team of human soldiers led by Cain to investigate the south east point of interest in the Divide. Have a Vertibird and our companions on standby to assist.

>ROBOTICS RESEARCH
Continue work on the tunnelling / combat bot

>ZAX RESEARCH
Do whatever is needed to get us a 2nd construction action.
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>>1796653
>But didn't the QM say above that it no longer requires a medical suite - just that people will need to leave it to use the toilet and eat.
Not at all. >>1795356 >>1795399
>That was a long time ago wasn't it? Before you advanced your research and sciences or had a ZAX. Mostly due to a lack of existing files or standing models your scientists had to come up with something from scratch.
>These VR pods are attuned enough to keep someone breathing while in use, though its recommended to use the bathroom and not eat before using them to maximize time inside. You may also consider using an anti-diahreal or anticholinergic before use.

>Well, yes, if the VR's suddenly lost power that could be quite bad.
>There does need to be a medical helmet, these Old World models are built with them.
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>>1796584
I would actually bother detail a response but I have limited time left for now. I'll do it later if I remember and feel like it.

>>1796637
I'd change the CIV action to either salvaging the Divide, constructing Loaders or establishing the engineers organisation.

I'd change the ZAX to establishing the engineers organisation or improving our robot factory.


Also might consider changing robotics research to general enhancements to our robots like stronger motors or something. Maybe refining the Loader design or enhancing the various drone designs / their carriers.
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>>1796655
Actually, a good use of the CIV action would be improving the School, start educating our people better.
>>1796653
>Why would we use ZAX research on something we already know...?
Because CEO requested it. >>1788877 >>1788906
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>>1796645
we have never had an power outrage and if you're so concerned about that, we can make them with inbuilt alien power cell
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>>1796662
>we have never had an power outrage.
We are however at 88% energy consumption, and VR pods use up significant power, unless we build some new solar farms those VR pods won't have the energy to work.
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>>1796662
>>1796667
Forgot rest of post.
>and if you're so concerned about that, we can make them with inbuilt alien power cell
I would like that yes, as long as the inbuilt power cell is used to boot out the user if there's a power outage.
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>>1796655
I'd support this change. Just focus the Civ action on education for our people.
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>>1796662
>>1796667
>>1796672
Why not just make backup generators, capacitors, or bulk batteries in that case?
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>>1796676
As i said, i'd like that as long as the backup battery is only used to boot out the user safely if a power outage happens.
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I just remembered, did we remember to talk about living in harmony with nature like Joshua describes in our book?
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>>1796694
We really should get round to that.


Also we need to construct the underground farms and shit so we can show him how little an impact we would have on the surface.
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>>1796698
>Also we need to construct the underground farms and shit so we can show him how little an impact we would have on the surface.
I think it would be best to construct the underground farms after we build the small breeder reactor.
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>>1796694
We didn't want the world (I.e. The Legion/MLA/NCR) to know about him or Zion
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>>1796723
Don't have to mention him, just the principles of harmoniously living.
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QM, you here?
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>>1797405

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