For House & Dominion: Crucible (1)http://houseanddominion.wikia.com/wiki/House_%26_Dominion_Complete_Archivehttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Dominion+questhttps://twitter.com/ThatSlowTypingGYou are Sonia Reynard, Viscount of Rioja and a member of House Jerik-Dremine! It is 4042 and Caius Jerik in now the new Count of Jerik-Dremine. As the search for his fathers killers continues your fleet begins preparations for their return to Rioja. Soldiers who sided with "Emergency Council" during the recent uprising have been relocated to staging bases near the front lines. More than a million troops that they'll be replacing have rotated back to the homeworlds to help take over for your army. Once things here had calmed down you attended a ball in the capital, meeting with many of the loyalists who are trying to recover from the economic fallout. Predictably you've helped invest in a number of them through loans, bailouts and share purchases. While you left with nearly 700 million less in the bank, the investments were undoubtedly worth it.After departing the ball you and a few others with clearance visited A DHI facility to test out the new Fire Drake assault corvette prototype. While only a simulation it seemed to indicate that the new ship is definitely powerful for its size. You were able to force Mike's attack cruiser to retreat in one test. In the subsequent test you used a Vengeance type when going against Windsor in the new ship. Though you lost your opponent seems certain different weapons and SP torpedoes might have made all the difference. “Thoughts everyone?” asks Lorraine Day. She was able to win her first matching using a Mad Eye class by performing a max range alpha strike. In subsequent matches however this failed to work.Windsor is next to speak up.“It's good, but way too expensive for what it does. Anyone with sense would just send more cheaper ships to overwhelm it.”Several of you are a bit surprised to hear this assessment from the test pilot. Mike is quick to agree. "Three assault corvettes would cost less and could reliably win against one of these."Felix decides to play devil's advocate. "A small number of these at the right place and time could be a handy, especially if they're hidden among regular assault corvettes.">Your opinion on the new corvettes?
Agree with Felix. A house like yours can't play the numbers game as well as other theoretical opponents.
For House & Dominion!>>3230369>>Your opinion on the new corvettes?Not suitable for mass deployment. Maybe as an option for veteran squadron leaders?
>>3230369These corvettes should be deployed with elite crews and squadron only. Anything more would be a waste.
>>3230369>Your opinion on the new corvettes?The list of disadvantages for these ships seems almost prohibitively long. Their weapons need additional supplies and maintenance compared to traditional corvettes, they also share the regular assault corvette's weakness of being almost completely limited to combat ships thanks to their limited small crew and very limited space available. The high degree of automated systems necessary to allow the smaller crew could also prove a disadvantage if we ever end up in direct conflict with the Kythera or another AI supported enemy again.However, they do have the advantage of packing attack cruiser level firepower on a tiny platform. I wouldn't be surprised if their main advantage would be against battleship or medium cruiser sized enemies and larger.I'd probably equip a third of an assault corvette wing with them and see how they do.
>>3230369Something I thought to ask about but previous thread had died: What is the upkeep/maintenance cost of the ship vs an assault corvette? Is the plasma cannon projected to up the already noted maintenance times/costs?>opinion on the new corvettes"I want to like the design, and Felix does have a valid point. It may be able to displace the Hex as the Alliance's craft of choice, but the return on investment in the yards necessary may not be practical."It may be worth attempting to usurp the Hex as a ship of choice in the Alliance just to give the finger to the Terrans.
>>3230420>the Hex as the Alliance's craft of choiceShould read:the Hex as the Alliance's craft of choice for [whatever role name they gave it]
>>3230369They might give an edge if added to an assault Corvette wing, but it would also make that wing play defense to protect the expensive ship instead of simply attacking.To me it all points to have been a waste of time and money
Would it be possible to power a cloaking device with the reactor that feeds the plasma cannons in combat? It would ensure the ships get the first strike.
"I agree that they'd only be useful for small numbers of veterans and elites. Anything else would be a waste of manpower and resources. Maybe it could displace the Hex as the Alliance's choice for heavier weapon support? It would certainly seem to have it beaten in everything but cost.""Not the Mad Eye though." Lorraine points out. "It still has slightly better weapons range on the main gun."Windsor rolls his eyes. "That's still a Terran built design. They could cut us off from them when the war is over." You agree that flipping of the Terrans and replacing the Hex and Mad Eye with the Fire Drake might be the best idea in the long run. "For now it may not be practical to mass produce them but we should get some built. Test and evaluate them while keeping the design in limited production. Once they figure out how to make them more cheaply we can consider wider adoption."Mike and Felix agree with you on that.You call over one of the project personnel. "What's the upkeep and maintenance cost of the Fire Drake vs an assault corvette?""It would be similar to an assault corvette upgraded with the reinforced Nanoweave armor. Plus the need to make use of plasma weapon refueling infrastructure."If you remember correctly the Nanoweave armor was a bit of a pain for the technicians to deal with. More labour intensive but technically not much more expensive from a cost and materials standpoint. Definitely in the workable range."Does it have enough power to mount a cloak?""Theoretically yes, though it would have to be mounted externally. Also the engines are calibrated for overall power and efficiency, not stealthiness."
>>3230616It might still be worth a try, even if the cloak is only usable during fleet actions or against unaware targets.
DHI seem glad for the opportunity to have experienced pilots and knights performing an evaluation for them. They promise they'll try to act on the reviews each of you have provided. Alex contacts you the next day. "Have you run into Fox since he returned?" "No, was he at the Ball?"Alex shakes his head."No, I was in the Palace when the Count spoke to him. I'm surprised you weren't there.""I... had nothing useful to contribute to the meeting and I want nothing to do with him. Two good reasons to skip it." Alex shrugs. "You are right, those are good reasons. Anyways he lost an eye when his ship was damaged and hasn't had it replaced yet. I thought you might get a kick out of that.""Thanks for thinking of me Alex." RTS intelligence gets back to you regarding Felix's request. Given what little information they've been provided they feel they're not the best choice to look into the Uncle's disappearance. Current manpower is limited with more resources assigned to dealing with the turbulent political climate. [ ] Ask Bogdanić and House intel to investigate[ ] Kick it up the chain to the Count
>>3230783>[x] Ask Bogdanić and House intel to investigateThe count is probably busy enough with other things and we haven't seen Bogdanic in years.
>>3230748It seems wasteful to add a cloak to an inherently unstealthy ship that may rarely use it, rather than putting that cloak toward a stealthy scout or infiltration/recovery ship that would constantly be getting use out of the cloak.That and you'd presumably want to decloak several of these ships, rather than just one.>>3230783[X] Ask Bogdanić and House intel to investigate
>>3230783>[ ] Kick it up the chain to the Count
Contacting Bogdanić you ask House intel to investigate. "Viscount there are a number of nobles missing. We are still actively engaged in pursuing those who fled House space with valuable resources. Ships, weapons, data archives. It would be best if you made use of your own resources for this. It is a private investigation after all.""I know he used to be with House intelligence. I should think it important for you to look out for your own."The intelligence head does not seem entirely happy about this. "If I send people looking for him it could mean parts of his file may eventually become public knowledge. Especially given the tendency of this House to leak information of late. I'll have to directly involve his nephew in the search. If he is alive hopefully he'll believe that Knight is in charge of the investigation.""Afraid of old ghosts?" you ask."Yes. People dont usually retire from his arm of intelligence."
>>3231063Can we help by throwing some money at her? She could hire freelancers to help, we just need somebody who's knowledgeable about the planet and the person we're looking for in charge of the investigation.
>>3231089Can be done.Fadila has been keeping a close eye on the political situation in the House. It may be necessary to assist one or more of the political factions here in the homeworlds either before you depart or once you return to Rioja. "With the damage done to the old political factions new ones are now forming out of necessity. The previously existing divide between the old guard and those new nobility elevated as a result of the war has effectively been shattered. We are now left with three new groups.">ConservatorThe Conservator faction are one of the most wealthy and include much of the old guard. They support maintaining traditional noble control of government, military and economy. They're against the uncontrolled spread of democracy throughout the House. General perception is that the Barons support this group, wanting few if any additional reforms. >Progressive ReformersThe House loyalists that are of the opinion that change should be made, but slowly. The existing systems need to be left intact and change affected from within. Many who are disillusioned with the Emergency Council are joining this group. They wont be attempting to jump start any revolutions on other worlds. Most are trying to determine how to handle the fallout of the uprising without drastic steps backwards. >Egalitarian CoalitionThe Emergency Council may have been divided in their final days but their core lives on, still considered their own political group. The majority are still willing to push for democratic systems to replace the old. The middle and lower classes are where they draw most of their support. Despite this powerful nobles remain on their side. With their most militant members and much of their nobles being sent to the front lines, they face declining support. Despite this it seems that support hasn't evaporated outright. With the end of hostilities the factions that have split off from the main group have begun to negotiate. Some of these groups are made up of extremists considered terrorists by the others. Those who have gone underground rather than obey treaty stipulations their groups never agreed to. Because of this some members of the new coalition would prefer not to associate with them in any way. "Are these the only parties we need to worry about?""There are some outliers." answers Fadila. "Two minor groups that could become troublesome eventually but for now they don't have any real support.">Do you have any intention of declaring your support for one of the political blocks?or>Ask about the other two groups?
>>3231229>Ask about the other two groups?It could be useful to co-opt them and rotate them among the big three to prevent any one from gaining enough power to upset the affairs of the House again.
>>3231229For House and Dominion!Outright declaring support does not sound like a wise decision. Maybe quietly backing both the PR and OG groups, to help keep the EC group and the other two groups under control. Might be a good idea.And yes, tell us about the other two factions. See just how radical they lean.
>>3231229Definitely want to learn the major players in each group.Where do Alex, mike, daska, Day, Avun, Xisoth, Rioja Fleet Notables stand?IMO, Sonia should either declare for Progressive Reformers or be an 'undeclared' silent backer for the group
>>3231229Find out more about the leaders and support of each faction but stay out of all of them. Sonia hates politics and being a neutral adjudicator can be useful sometimes.
>Social UnionAn extremist faction drawing support from the lower classes. Many of their key members backed the Emergency Council during the uprising. They have since split off, calling the EC traitors to the cause.As a whole they support better rights for the lower class, jobs and prosperity. They have not been so quick to publicly state their intentions for the established nobility. >WardensPowers of the nobility should be expanded not curtailed. Nobles have a sacred duty to act in the best interests of their people. All of thier people, not just those that make the most noise.In return their their protection and benevolence they demand loyalty. Wardens favour Knights are the leading members of the nobility. Some among their number believe the Knights should have a say in who is Baron of their world.
>>3231282Agreed. The less we are seen as a partisan the better.
>>3231282We should at least support one of the factions.Hiding from politics as a Baron just got us this Emergency Council BS
>>3231288>Other two groupsThe SU needs to be crushed. The other one must be made up of solely knights to think like it does.>>3231337We could support a group quietly. Which would be more then what we did previously when we learned about the Young Upstarts.
>>3231346Nah, the SU needs to be aggravated to discredit the EC by conflating the two.
>>3231256Not everyone has decided. Here are a number who have done so more publicly, or those intel believe may be leaning towards.>ConservatorLord Harmen - Governor of LoranBaron Alexander PalaiologosBaron Daska Rna>Progressive ReformersShanta Filippi (Knight - Rioja fleet)Dejan Holtby - Governor of TorunMike Serth (is thinking about it)>Egalitarian CoalitionSafiye Palaiologos - Governor of DreminthBaron Tenni (Rumored)>Social UnionNone Sonia is immediately familiar with. There are warrants for the arrest of most SU leaders for violating the terms of the EC treaty.>WardensBaron Myrish Avun (Rumored)
>>3231282Create a fourth "External Faction" that focuses on defending the borders of JD and the Dominion, and promises to simply come down hard on anyone inciting violent change within it?Characterized by having distributed holdings throughout the Dominion, and a bunch of their own warships?Okay, so it would mostly just be us.
>>3231346>The SU needs to be crushed.Or we can make things decent enough for the lower class that they lose their power base.>The other one must be made up of solely knights to think like it does.Or people who want to become knights.>>3231288>Social UnionWhat rights do middle class people have lower class people do not? Aside from having more money. I thought the divide in the Dominion was between nobles and everybody else when it comes to more extensive rights.>WardensSounds like it would only actually work if our House was 90% Rovinar.>>3231229>Do you have any intention of declaring your support for one of the political blocks?I feel we can do little wrong by giving some support to the progressive reformers until the other Barons return and we hold council what to make with the situation in the core territories.Does the Run have a political group who just want to throw the Terrans out as soon as the war is over?
>>3231372WTF Avun.They should absolutely be on our side. Them, and Mike should join our "External Faction".
>>3231389Avun is probably the founding member of the Warden faction.And it almost fits Sonia perfectly. Well, maybe more younger Sonia, but still.
>>3231372>Who supports whoIf Alex and Daska are gonna support the OG, we should be supporting the PR group. And work with Alex and Daska to make sure the house doesn't experience anymore radical changes. So we get to keep the old and work towards the new.As for Avun, eh, I guess it really doesn't surprise me that she might be supporting the Wardens. But at least there is someone in their number who we could talk with who we can trust.As for the others, still think we should bully the EC group into submission and destroy the SU group.>>3231388Ideally we should be making sure things are good enough for the lower class that the SU loses its support among the populous.>>3231369Maybe with the more radical members. The ones who are wanted for violations and what not. Maybe make them look like terrible people.
>>3231444Drive the more extremist EC people into the EU and fold the remainder into the PR group as a "compromise"?
>>3231384Remain politically neutral and carry a big stick?I get the impression such a group wouldn't last long. As in it would cease to exist without Sonia around and would be the target of others trying to gain control of their resources.>>3231389>WTF Avun.Avun already warned you when the uprising happened that she has a different point of view regarding the House and loyalty to it. On that note she's obviously for sticking with the House for the foreseeable future.>>3231416>Avun is probably the founding member of the Warden faction.No but it is a pretty good guess all things considered.
>>3231653> As in it would cease to exist without Sonia Pretty much the definition of Nobility, and the justification for it being hereditary.Besides, it doesn't have to last forever, just for now until the violent extremists are resolved.
There is some debate as to who the leaders of the various groups are. There are numerous Conservator leaders on each world. In speaking with your father in law he tells you that he had been hoping the new Count would lead the party but Caius has indicated he can't choose sides now. Each of the three main groups are too powerful to side with one outright. Or at least he can't appear to. Talking by secure channel he indicates he would prefer to side with the Conservators for simplicity's sake. "Things were much simpler when the divide was between the old guard and the recently Knighted. Now we have much more complicated political blocks on top of the twisting convoluted demands of the noble families.In looking through my fathers long term plans I've learned there is so much he was hoping still to accomplish. He was waiting until the war, the economic situation, or the overextended nature of the House was better. If some of these plans are ever to be acted on I may someday need the backing of those prepared to make a few changes without burning the House down.""Can you tell me what sort of changes?" you ask, now genuinely curious. "A few reforms to House leadership which I dont see progressing soon. He also wanted to expand on your success with holding together the Run Alliance. Expand it from a multi-house alliance into a proper League or Federation.">What say?
>>3231822A sound plan. With the recent infighting in our house we will be seen in a slightly unstable state by other houses. So it may be a while before we can convince other houses to join the Run Alliance. Maybe take the time when we get back to Rioja to reaffirm with our allies in the Run that we are still strong and still united. General damage/ fire control, and then see if any houses are still looking to join. Or if any of our allies in the Run Alliance know of any Houses they would be willing to vouch for in having them join our Alliance. Or even extend it to House Feron(?) our allies here in the Home Worlds, if they have territory in the Run. Though we should focus on getting any an all houses in the Run into the Alliance first. At least those that can be trusted or be of use without being to terribly ruined if they try to back stab.
>>3231822Whelp best of luck with that. Call me if you need a bunch of guns, but there's Neeran still breathing who need to have that flaw corrected. Lemme know when you wanna fuck with the Run again, I'll be back with salvage and maybe some more external support for you.
>>3231822"Whoever is responsible for his death probably doesn't even realize how much their actions have cost not only our House but also the larger Dominion."
>>3231875Or they were from outside the faction and did it to exacerbate the instability, leaving behind much less secure leadership from whoever came out on top.
>>3231822A Dominion league or federation seems doomed to fail, like how Winnifred explained a multi-house owned super would fail.
"Whoever is responsible for his death probably doesn't even realize how much their actions have cost not only our House but also the larger Dominion."As for the idea of a more closely knit league of Houses you're uncertain. On the one hand it would offer greater inter-connectivity and protection, on the other you recall old warnings from Winifred many years ago. Sharing worlds or ships can cause fractures between Houses. Trying to hold together the members of the Run Alliance has already proven a difficult task. It would have to be done very carefully.Regardless of the outcome you wish the Count luck in attempts to tackle his fathers' plans and the situation here in the homeworlds.Shanta Filippi is fast becoming an important figure among the Progressive Reformers. With those on Rioja not having been dragged into the conflict on the homeworlds they haven't been seen as tainted like many. (Or been forced to the front lines like the others considered traitors.) The Count is considering having her transferred from the Rioja fleet to help stabilise the faction and act as a short term representative. He certainly trusts her more than Dejan Holtby. The leader of the Egalitarian Coalition is Councilor Nima Dorje who is the only member of the former Emergency Council not currently under house arrest. Having been selected by committee Dorje has the majority support of their party. There are still power struggles going on among party members. The divide between the more radical elements of the coalition and the Social Union is far blurrier than the new Councilor would like.Do you want to push for the Social Union party to officially be outlawed?
>>3232167>Do you want to push for the Social Union party to officially be outlawed?I'd try to coordinate with house intel in that regard. If they think it's useful to have a pressure valve for the lower classes they can readily keep an eye on, I'd let the SU proceed for now.
>>3232167>Shanta move ordersGood for her. Give her some advice if she wants it, on how to deal with nobles in the home worlds as well as suggesting getting a political advisor if she becomes the head of said group. That is, if we don’t join it and become the head of said group.>Dorje/ ECIf we play things out right and work with the OG and other power structures. We can likely get the EC to lose most of its power so it is no longer a power block. Or at least not an as powerful one. Especially if we can keep them from uniting under a common cause beyond their “goals”. Keep them fighting each other long enough and they’ll fracture into smaller groups with less centralized of focused power. The party of the everyman, that fails because it can’t be a party of everyman, because it will invariably upset someone so they fight and bicker amongst themselves and splinter.>Outlaw SUThe lower class should have their own voice/ power block. They should have one better than these radicals. Perhaps some subtle and not so subtle painting of this group as radicals for harboring terrorists/ radicals. Maybe encourage the lower class to support or join the Wardens or the PR? The Wardens since that whole “one class per generation” thing, if that is still a thing. So as knights they will have people to support and guide them. And PR because progress, but at a steady controlled pace.But should we outlaw it? Not at first. Give them a chance to either turn themselves in or continue on as the group that harbors those that do not obey the law.
No outlawing the Unionists at this time, though try to have PR paint them in a bad light. Intel will also keep an eye on them to see if they can catch ranking members or otherwise draw out more dangerous elements. Unless there are any objections Shanta Filippi will be approved for an extended stay/transfer on Dreminth. That act alone should grant you a little pull with the Progressive Reformers in the future if you want to get involved with them.At this time Sonia will remain largely neutral regarding the new power blocks. She wont be the only one. Baron Xisoth was considering different options but has decided against backing any of the current ones. Saputo is still weighing his options and assessing the status and loyalty of his armed forces. He'd rather not join the same political block as Governor Holtby.Was there anything you wanted to take care of before departure?
>>3232453Final farewells before heading home. Make sure our grounds keeper is alive and well. Make sure the bill for the damages to our house and holdings on the planet caused by the rebels has been paid for and repairs underway. See if Troy wants to stop by his homeworld for anything or his parents before heading back to Rioja for the kids. Figure out a name for our Heavy Carrier we bought and will be taking back home with us and what its purpose and place will be in our fleet at Rioja.
>>3232453Buy a puppy for the kids!
>>3232453Shoot off a message to any of our contacts about mom's space genetic illness?
>>3232453Can we visit Tenni's planet on the way home? Low-profile, if possible. I'd like to see what's going on in that place.I'd also like to check in with the local RH ambassador.Did the sphere guys reply about repairing Dayton yet?
>>3232453Did we end up subtlely funding all of those competing media outlets in the home worlds to muddy the political waters? If not, do that.I’d also be in favour of slightly aligning ourselves to the OG group. That’s basically been our stance since becoming a Baron that’s basically been our stance.We’d be on the moderate side of the OG group though, given our support for minor, pragmatic reforms.
Is anybody building power armor for neerans yet? If not, we should. Even if our neerans don't like to get physical, once we start taking empire territory we'll have fit neerans sign up with the alliance and giving them power armor could make them even more useful during ground combat or boarding actions.Btw. is the plural neeran or neerans?
Hey TSTG, is the technology of this setting advanced enough that we can clean the atmosphere of worlds like Venus of their thick or toxic atmospheres so that they could be made habitable?Been playing Stellaris with mods and one fun mod allows you to ignite the core of most worlds to make them habitable and to also clean the atmosphere of toxic worlds to make them habitable. And it got me to wondering if we could at the very least clean a worlds atmosphere to make it habitable.
>>3233402Just thinking here, there's probably a good chance some Neeran would like to settle in the Dominion instead after the war.We should look for Neeran friendly planets to possibly pick up for terraforming and having them join as a client-house.Just noting some similarities in values and society, individualism within a hierarchy that rewards meritocratic achievements.We could probably open it up to young and ambitious Neeran from the lower rungs of the Empire as well as more ambitious and aggressive Neeran from the Alliance who don't want to go back into seclusion.
>>3233423If I remember correctly, Venus was the limit of what could be made habitable before Sonia happened. It was also so expensive that even in Setting like H&D where habitable planets are rare it wouldn't have been economically feasible
>>3233456Well now we have grav well technology to move the worlds to better orbital locations and weather manipulation technology. Now if there is technology to purify a worlds atmosphere and make it habitable. Albeit devoid of all life. That would be something worth looking into or maybe putting funding in to researching on how to use our sphere tech weather control towers to purify the atmosphere of worlds. Of course, be something to be done AFTER our deployment. When we have loot galore to take back home with us.What if the Sphere Builders have/ had world building(?)/ shaping (?) technology stored somewhere that we could look into.
At the prompting of the Emperor the Terran Alliance has issued a formal apology for the presence of a spy ship above Dreminth. They have denied any involvement in the uprising, stating that they fully support the Dominion's rights to choose its own forms of government. The Terran Alliance are not and will not involve itself in regime changes within allied Factions. Any of their personnel that may have been operating on the surface of Dreminth have been disavowed. They will be treated as rogue agents. The Emperor remains unsatisfied with this mere apology. "I will not abide by having the intelligence agencies of other Factions preying upon individual Houses should they suffer a moment of weakness or upheaval. Actions are greater than words and you have only offered the easier of the two. When House Jerik-Dremine is ready to forgive you I will be also, but not until then.">What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?
>>3233661>What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?Right now, them just leaving J-D the hell alone. Not that we don't want to work with them, but that they keep their bloody noses out of our business. We've not done anything to their internal politics and anything we've done with them has arguably been to their benefit. Especially since we're helping them move worlds to be more habitable for their people. And housing their refugee's until they decide they want to move back to Terran worlds. We're doing a lot for them and all we've asked is to be paid for our troubles in housing their citizens and assisting them in moving their worlds.Their clear paranoia about Dominion Houses getting an edge in anything is troublesome. And bodes ill for future projects or alliances if they feel they can just casually spy on allies whom seem to be gaining any technological edge that might threaten their stranglehold on advanced technologies. And allegedly, deal crippling blows by supporting or assisting in ensuring a House suffers internal strife that leads to collapse.Money may be the least form of repayment or perhaps an agreement to assist J-D or Dominion in future research? To show that they do mean well for their neighbors and don't intend ill will. Just suggestions. Free up some resources for more R&D?Also if all goes well and the FA approves of the Dominion researching Diamond tech under FA guidelines. Then having some Terran scientist to assist could be good way to make sure it progress quickly so we're not spending to long in R&D.
>>3232492>Buy a puppy for the kids!I will never be able to erase the smell of wet dog from my mind. >>3232478>Figure out a name for our Heavy Carrier we bought and will be taking back home with us and what its purpose and place will be in our fleet at Rioja.For a name I was thinking Strobilus or Sequoioideae.It could come in handy for your deployment into Neeran space as it would free up other repair ships and pads to deal with assault corvettes. Being able to process attack corvette repairs more quickly and in greater numbers is a definite advantage. Though it is more of a question of if you want to bring older model ships along.>>3232667You send a quick message to the doctors on Rioja to check the kids to see if they have markers showing signs the disease could be passed on. Also to look into potential treatment. you leave mom's name out of it for now. >>3233157>Can we visit Tenni's planet on the way home? Low-profile, if possible.Anyone in favour of this?
>>3233661>What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?We want our AI friend Vera to help with tracking down the fleeing nobles, and to aid in the investigation of whomever killed the Count.After all, those agents may have seen or heard something. I'm sure that we could forgive their presence and repatriate them to Terra instead of putting bounties on their heads and hunting them down otherwise. Essentially get them to burn whatever assets they used in our House while they were here.Alternatively, if people are worried about using them domestically, we could get concessions from them regarding the Neeran invasion to aid us in areas that would draw their troops away from Diamond Mine locations we're aiming for.
>>3233740Plant names?How about Impatiens Capensis? Or "Touch-me-not"?Since it's a carrier.>The seed pods are pendant and have projectile seeds that explode out of ripe pods when they are lightly touched, which is where the name 'touch-me-not' comes from;
>>3233740Also I'm down to swing by Tenni's place.We can play it as being interested in giving her concessions a fair viewing to see how they're working out, and to better understand why they were made.
>>3233661>What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?A lifetime subscription to all the delicious intelligence Terrain AIs steal from Dominion networks 24 hours a day.
>>3233744>>3233709I want to include "finding Fox" in the request for tracking down the fleeing nobles as well.We can also assess their spec-ops infiltration of our region while they're doing so.Really not an unfair trade if we guarantee the safe return of the "rogue agents".
>>3233753>Plant names?Pine cone and Redwood.Because it holds a lot of smaller ships like a pine cone. >>3233794Just so we're all on the same page neither Fox fled. The younger is under house arrest and is being kind of a pain with frequent media broadcasts. >>3233157>Did the sphere guys reply about repairing Dayton yet?A message did eventually get through to them. They're surprised that you'd ask given the Dominion's cloning technology. They wont revive people who have been dead for any lengthy period of time. Dayton's death from vacuum exposure wouldn't be an easy thing to fix. Not after a few minutes.>>3233230>Did we end up subtlety funding all of those competing media outlets in the home worlds to muddy the political waters?This was done.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3176281/#p3197749>Setting up multiple "independent" media stations run by nobles would seem like the best way to counter them. Create a wide variety of competition and give them priority for official news updates from the Government and military.>>3233402>Is anybody building power armor for neeran yet?Baldr contracted a small number of power cell armor manufacturers to provide suits for some of his people. Now that the rest of the isolationists are contributing their combined military might that production has ceased. They have their own suits of armor, though they tend to be only lightly powered.Plural is Neeran.Anyone up for restarting manufacturing for neeran power cell armor production?
>>3233858We absolutely should get into the PA production for Neeran.We have access to exclusive tech and knowledge about using it thanks to our PA specialists experience building our ultimate suit, he can get the opportunity to work closely with more examples and who knows, maybe one day him or his successor can still exceed it. We also have a unique relationship of trust with the Neeran, so maybe they can share more of their tech with us to integrate into the PA with restrictions that it's only used for their equipment.
>>3233858>Anyone up for restarting manufacturing for neeran power cell armor production?The guy who is going to get kicked out of the sphere once the war is over is from the empire. Would he be willing to modify and upgrade baldr's design to be more useful for fitter neeran? We could pay him with a ship, equipment or money so he has more options once he has to leave.
>>3233413>Hey TSTG, is the technology of this setting advanced enough that we can clean the atmosphere of worlds like Venus of their thick or toxic atmospheres so that they could be made habitable?It's extremely time and resource intensive. Robrinaan has a very large orbital shroud used to deflect or absorb enough solar radiation to make the planet habitable. If it weren't for the presence of other planets in the system its orbit could probably be shifted now to a more distant one.Venus would require so much work, but it could be done. You'd need to dump a ton of water comets into the atmosphere to react with the carbon dioxide. Add a shroud or planetary shields to block more light. You're still going to be left with an excess of atmosphere. With stasis confinement compressed gas tankers it could be a CO2 exporter to other terraforming projects for a couple centuries.>ignite the core of most worlds to make them habitableThe gravity well generators are being used to induce tidal heating in some planets to make them more habitable. You could do that with a venusian world as well on top of everything else.Building aerostat colonies are the best short term option. Maybe ones that could descend to the surface at a later date.
>>3233858>They're surprised that you'd ask given the Dominion's cloning technology. They wont revive people who have been dead for any lengthy period of time.Ah, that's unfortunate. At least we tried. I'm also surprised they didn't know about the social taboo associated with cloning in the Dominion. If possible, I would like to buy a guide to the Dominion from each faction and have them shipped to the sphere. These guys are really not keeping themselves properly up to date.>>3233740Have our dog genetically modified by the Nai to come with ultrahydrophobicity? The dog would only get wet for a couple of seconds.
>>3233661>>What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?I'm thinking a bit of a shotgun approach, then negotiating for whatever we can get.Ideas to demand:The arrest/peaceful surrender of all Terran Intel/Black Operations operatives in Jerik-Dremine space at the time of the coup, and unredacted debriefings of all that have fled to Terran Space, to ensure that the Terran Alliance had no part in the murder of Count Jerik or the unlawful coup. Espionage charges will be pardoned upon peaceful surrender, cooperation with our investigation and a plea of guilty to said charges. If there is evidence of murders, charges for that will not be pardoned.The spy ship that was detected and damaged over Dreminth, intact. For the same investigation reasons.A full, public review of all Terran Intel/Black Ops operations conducted or ongoing against J-D during the time period of the Coup, with a J-D observer group. Sort of like the review previously mentioned for Black Ops that infringe upon religious sites? They just got busted doing -something- above an allied Faction, and a House that is both actively hosting Terran Refugees & helping terraform worlds in Terran space for additional Terran Refugees. Could Terran citizens have been put at risk? Didn't this House recently crack down on people trying to enslave Terran Refugees? Make the Terran public demand answers, and unleash the PR guys of public opinion warfare.Didn't they dishonorably discharge that Terran Marine turned punisher turned bounty hunter? Yeah, that should be changed to an honorable discharge for killing slaver scum, and his full benefits restored. Why? Idk, seems like a small way to stick it to the Terrans and help out a decent guy.Full compensation for any damages discovered to be the direct result of Terran Black Ops?A sizable donation to Rioja's educational system to set up a Jed Enright scholarship for Terran Refugees.A sizable donation to the J-D homeworlds educational system to set up a Sigurd (name check?) Jerik scholarship for lower class folks.Some sort of production license with industrial uses? Like a key microchip or higher tech automation system?A formal, hand written apology from the Terran Congress. Must include an admission of espionage against an allied Faction, be written by the top guy himself (not his secretary or other underling) and signed by every member of the Terran representative body. Mostly so someone can hang it on their wall as a trophy.
Slowly assembling a survey to be posted later.-political alignment-Terran compensation-Name suggestions for the carrierI'll probably add things like the Neeran power armor production later.>>3234012Some of these things may not be possible, but some are.
>>3234012>>3234026The Knight Lt. Dayton training school of the commissariat for people who will put holes in people before they can put holes in other people who don't deserve it. We obviously need a new generation of Kavos equivalents for our rookies. Maybe pick mostly Shallans because they'll require less space on the already cramped assault corvettes.
Tenni's fleet is set to depart the homeworlds around the same time as yours. Did you want to leave early, taking a fast ship to beat her to her destination?
>>3234093>Did you want to leave early, taking a fast ship to beat her to her destination?No, that's not really necessary. It might even come off as rude or that we're planning something troublesome and I see little reason to risk agitating Tenni right now. The idea was mostly a visit to figure out what's actually going on in that region of hers.
>>3234093Yes, but not with us on it. Send some analysists to pick out key areas of interest for us to review when we get there so we don't waste too much time.We can probably send them from RSS or something. After all, who doesn't want us investing in them? We got cash, baby.
>>3233661>>What sort of recompense did you want to extort out of the Terrans?DHI is looking to expand right?The one thing bureaucratic Terrans hate more than anything:Tax breaks for foreign expansion.
>>3234026>Some of these things may not be possible, but some are.As expected.>>3234062Knight Dayton School of pilots that spin good but want to excel at leadership and other piloting skills too?>>3234151Reynard Investment Solutions! Except they're also our Intelligence Solutions
>>3234235>Reynard Investment SolutionsI still think we should open a private bank for a very select circle of clients.
I want to go to our hidden mad scientist and see if he can figure out a way to jam Neeran mind reading.
>>3234184Saved.>>3234151You have made some investments in Tenni's territory. Not as much as Drake's mind you. One of the few remaining fast ships from the RTS fleet in the homeworlds is sent ahead with a team to check things out. The last days in the House capital are spent with friends and family. While your brother was still considering a terraforming career until recently, for now he's entered the army corps of engineers. He'll begin training as a junior officer within the month. It unlikely he'll be deployed any time within the next year given the size of the army the House has already built. Even so you tell him to be careful and to let you know how the training goes. "Maybe now would be a good time to invest in power cell armor dedicated to surface engineering work?" "Sonia please? I'm already going to be treated oddly enough as it is. I dont want special favours.""Or those engineering scarabs RSS refit for salvage work on irradiated planets.""Actually that does sound pretty cool." Ethan admits."Sonia let your brother do this. I've meddled enough for both of us.""Well when you're high enough up in rank to allow for a bodyguard you're getting one assigned. Understood?" "Aye sir!" You hug your little brother and mom before heading out.
>>3234279>One of the few remaining fast ships from the RTS fleet in the homeworlds is sent ahead with a team to check things out.>One of the few remaining fast shipsThat does sound like a problem. Do any Dominion ships smaller than the new fast battleship qualify as fast?
>>3234295>Do any Dominion ships smaller than the new fast battleship qualify as fast?The EC-K, EX-K, Clarent and U-haul are all attack cruisers with higher rated FTL. The local RTS detachments didn't have many of those to begin with. One of them was destroyed at Loran helping cover the evacuation of the Qlippoth heavy carrier.
>>3234342>The EC-K, EX-K, Clarent and U-haul are all attack cruisers with higher rated FTL.The U-haul looks decent and it can double as a transport. Does the modification from transport to attack cruiser and vice versa take long?Why does the wiki force me to save https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/houseanddominion/images/d/d1/Defender_inv_ravensbranch_allen_com.jpg as some weird .webp format even 4chan doesn't support?
>>3234342Technically speaking, those are still viewed as 'foreign' designs by the Dominion, correct?>>3234361iirc, 3rd Attack Wing had at least 1 pilot swear they'ed never pilot a U-haul ACRS again and they things were a death trap. I forget if that statement or attrition eventually phased them out of 3rd Atttack Wing. And I think that pilot died. Could have sworn they were on the Dramatis Personae page.
>>3234361opening that link results in a jpg file, opening that picture on the wiki (https://houseanddominion.wikia.com/wiki/U-Haul_Transport) results in a webp file. Probably wikia trying to be "smart" about converting images. Also webp isn't weird, it's just new with smaller files than jpp (lossy mode) and png (lossless mode) at similar qualities based on the VP8 video codec, support was added to firefox recently (chrome had support from the start as both are made by google)
>>3234361>Does the modification from transport to attack cruiser and vice versa take long?Most of those with a military upgrade have 2 more additional engines added in the space between the larger drive sections. It adds more power. They can still shut down those engines and pick up a cargo block, the connection just isn't quite as secure.Their maneuverability isn't great and most of their production has ceased.The design has largely been replaced by the Alliance Escort series which evolved from a similar base hull. Alliance escort carriers and the cruiser/destroyer variant can be upgraded to carry enough FTL to meet the fast ship requirement. Unfortunately they cant be modified for hauling larger cargo blocks. The design is available to be produced by all Alliance Faction members.
>>3234393I see. Thank you.>>3234406Does the Sector Patrol Craft qualify? We're building quite a few of these if I remember correctly.
>>3234538Any Alliance member state can buy the sector patrol craft or the production licenses for them. It's a fairly cheap battlecruiser. Their FTL can be pushed to high speeds temporarily but isn't meant for long range. As the fleets finally get underway your command ship and escort instead heads for Issyk. You haven't had the opportunity to visit the new territories and it would also be a good chance to stop off at nearby House Medel. Maybe talk to some of the Shallan military personnel in exile there. Baron Tenni being stationed out there has worked out shorter routes than yours. Routes the navigators take note of. You arrive only 6 hours after the Baron's fleet. All ships are returning to dock or assisting with deploying troops back to the surface bases. The local RTS assets report in confirming that Issyk did enact similar reforms to Dreminth and Torun. A surprising portion of the local nobility actually seem to have been in support of the decision. It's allowed some of them a shot at running for Governor or other positions that they'd been locked out of for various reasons. Anti-corruption reforms also allowed Tenni, her army and those nobles on her side to stamp out a number of powerful nobles that had been troublesome from the beginning. This time with the support of the general populace. The power dynamic has shifted considerably as a result. Using tactics similar to how Winifred ensured the loyalty of Surakeh, the majority of Issyk's population are likely to remain loyal to the House and Baron for some time. Tenni's flagship hails the Outer Heaven. "Viscount, welcome to the new territories. I trust you're here to take in the sights?">Your response?
>>3234685"Yes, definitely. I know embarrassingly little about this part of our House and though it would be a good idea to stop by on my way back to Rioja."
>>3234685"Business, primarily. Though I do try and take in the sights when able. With the Count's assassination weakening the House, I'm afraid that I'll need to carry on with a few ideas we'd talked about by myself. I'm sure there are a few Helios nobles that dread such a situation after that thing with the Terran ship."
>>3234685"Yes, my name was in the running for temporary Count and I want to visit every world we hold in the event such a calamity happens again."Avun's Warden faction looks more enticing by the day.
>>3234685> That, and to better understand the changes that happened here and how they're working out. I might have a voice, or at least have to pick a side, in the new political landscape and that means understanding them all both on the macro scale of the house but also how different planets operate.> And of course, if it seems to be profitable I'm always looking to bolster the financial stability of holdings in the House. No matter how it's governed, a good economy always helps cool heads.
>>3234685Can we purchase like 12 of those sector patrol craft to bolster anti piracy efforts in the Run
>>3234700>>3234733>>3234768>>3234773These are all kinda good.We want to maintain our image as an influential (yet primarily neutral) powerbroker within the House who is interested in economic growth and expansion.While subtlely reminding her that we’re strong and that we’re keeping an eye on her.We were the one who rallied the loyalists to reclaim the House after all.
>>3234895Better question might be if we need 12 of those for the Run. Could have sworn we dealt with the Civil War pirate issues. But not all of the House Nirium issues And if we can afford to add another 12 ships to the forces in the Run, if we're going to eat the full costs of the fleet's upkeep.
"Yes, definitely. I know embarrassingly little about this part of our House, let alone what changes have happened here. So I thought it would be a good idea to stop by on my way back to Rioja.""You're welcome to visit. I can have rooms in the capital prepared in time for your arrival. The threat of roadside bombs and rebel sniper attacks is much lower. My people still recommend taking precautions against them.""Thank you for the warning."After signing off Troy asks if it's really the best idea to go down to the surface. Just in case the guard will be standing by to quickly extract you from the surface. Honestly some of the Terran colonies you visited felt more threatening once you're on the ground and able to compare them. This is an old colony and well established. That doesn't mean it's been allowed to decay, quite the opposite. Most areas are in good shape. Away from the public spaces and thoroughfares there are signs of repaired damage in places but it's barely noticeable.The planetary capital buildings of Issyk are slightly reminiscent of a gothic style. Not dissimilar to a few places on Daska's planet of Padiş. While still looking a bit on the ornate side these buildings are much better fortified. An outer ring of structures likely containing offices ring an expansive courtyard of green spaces containing other buildings with the seat of government. The Governor's and Baron's respective centers of power are easily distinguished by heraldry and the troops surrounding either building. PDF around one, J-D soldiers in new suits of hardplate armor around the other. Both have troops with power cell armor at the key entryways. >Cont.
You're welcomed into the Baron's residence. After a short tour and chance to freshen up have a chance to sit down with Tenni."There's still a lot of the planet left to see but you've obviously been working on cleaning up the place.""I'm grateful for the funding and other assistance you made available." "Hopefully you can help me understand the changes that happened here and how they're working out. If anything else bad happens to the House government before the Barons return my name is going to be back in the running for temporary Count. Either way I may have to pick a side in the new political landscape. Best If I know how the different planets operate." As Tenni explains many of the nobles on planets in the region were not happy about the annexation after the civil war. The working assumption was that the local Houses might just have to change their allegiance towards different members of the seven. Find themselves in the Ber'helum, Helios or Nirium spheres of influence. Instead territory was stripped away from two Houses and given to J-D. Fortunately it's bordered on one side by House Medel so you at least have a regional ally. "The more stubborn elements believed that if they resisted hard enough and long enough they could break free of J-D and rejoin the territory of their old House.""Have they had outside support?" you wonder."Yes. Usually minimal funding or in rare cases access to training facilities in their old House. We've closed off many avenues of covert assistance or turned them double agent.""And we haven't declared war on them?!""Drake, myself or Count Jerik always ended up threatening them into taking action on their side of the border to curtail those responsible. Sometimes were intercepted their streams of funding and took them for ourselves. There were always people looking for another way and we couldn't arrest everyone without causing an even larger backlash.I believe Drake had a slightly easier time."No kidding.>Questions for her? I'll try to write up answers at work tomorrow.
>>3235024> How does she, personally, feel about the changes? Just out of curiosity, as we believe we have a solid record behind ourselves that it's pretty obvious where we stand. And we believe that it doesn't necessarily conflict with Tenni's position, but it's always nice to clarify things face to face.> We don't have any interest in further instability by rolling back changes, but if people want more change going forward it would be better to work with each other than to risk another civil war.She can ask us the same back and we can answer it, if she thinks we were holding back at all.> What kind of intervention would work best for neutralizing the cross border support? Are covert military strikes possible? Economic pressure? Any shared allies that could pressure them? We currently chat frequently with the Emperor, alternatively we might be able to co-opt some Terran assets to help out, and we ourselves have quite the SF personnel.> What kind of representation does she want in the upcoming movie / hologames about the little insurrection we had? For years later definitely but we aren't really happy with the rebels so it would be best to have someone a bit more "neutral" to them to make sure we don't accidentally inflame tensions again. Also anyone she wants us to try and cast as her?Just to throw her a curve ball and remind people that we're into a little bit of everything. Also that we outright own a media company and can affect how her role is remembered.
>>3235024We need to avoid showing all of our cards with Tenni, especially if they are potentially one of the new EC leaders and looking to lead it. iirc, Saputo gave Sonia a good demonstration that honesty isn't Dominion Standard Policy, even between Knights in the same House Expeditionary Fleet.What are Tenni's thoughts on the EC forces sent to the Neeran Front? Do they believe that the forces can be integrated back into the House military after their time on the front, or would the potential trust issues be too great a threat to morale and/or unit cohesion? Which plays into the House's over-extension and unproven leadership. Even with a peaceful resolution in the end, we've lost valuable personnel before factoring in whatever we can't salvage of the EC forces. Did Tenni gain enough here to offset the damage done by the coup, or was it simply triage?>>3235058>co-opt some Terran assets to help outNope.jpgWe should probably also avoid even mentioning any sort of cross-border actions, as well. The last thing we need is for J-D to get caught conducting such an operation under the Dominion Total War status and with recent events.>Movie commentHah. I hope Tenni takes it better than that guy on Vieona did when we claimed the movie rights.
>>3235024>Questions for her?What kind of deal did she strike with her locals when we tried to call her at the beginning of the rebellion?How are things with House Medel?What does she think can be done to prevent something like this in the future? We can't have the House almost fall apart every time one group manages to assemble some power military power in one region.
>>3235024>>3235113What do they think of the Terran black ops mess?I don't think we've ever served with Tenni, correct? Ask about a few of their more notable service memories. Not necessarily their big hero moments, but things like Kurtz stealing that ground vehicle during our recovery effort, or Pozzi's return so long after her U-haul was destroyed just outside of TCS Akagi.Are there any investments that Tenni has been unable to secure for her world/area?Does Tenni have anything they want to ask Sonia?
On the whole Terran Debacle. What we should try to get out of them is a public promise that the Terrans will never support black ops or other operations with in Dominion territory. And that they will not get involved with actions taking by the Dominion for the Dominion. If it is worded correctly we can then use it against the once the Emperor reveals to the Factions that the Dominion does infact have fully functioning SP capabilities. Both research and production.That way, and actions or protests from the Terrans will make them look like MASSIVE hypocrites to the wider public of both their own nation and the Dominion. And then it helps cement the Dominion as holding the moral highground on the matter. Which will be ground when the eventual war hit.
>>3235933Buddy, we gotta ask for realistic things here.> Promise to never do this thing you're known specifically for doing and getting away withIt's also like people are forgetting the Rovinar and their position via a vis SP torps.
You decide to ask a few questions to get a better picture of the Baron and the area. "What are you opinions on the changes and reforms that have been put into place?""They've helped bring stability to my world. I think the anti-corruption policies have likewise helped the House clean out the graft that's accumulated over the past century or two. I only wish it could have happened without the death of the Count.But then again how much of the systemic corruption weighing down the system did he help maintain or even cause?""We wont know for sure until the records are declassified." you reply.Tenni asks your opinion on the reforms. "I might not have supported them but I have no interest in rolling back any of the changes. All it would do is cause more instability within the House. I am worried about having so many worlds with wildly divergent systems of government in place. That wont be good for the House's long term stability."The Baron considers your words. "I admit that's probably true.""I guess the most important question to ask is; was it all worth it? Did your territory here and the House gain enough to offset the costs of the coup? Or was all of it just triage? Throwing a bandage on a more serious wound.Tenni doesn't know. "Only time will tell. I hope that it was. I hope all of this was worth something."
Next you ask about the EC forces sent to the front lines."I suppose I understand it. We can't afford mass executions even if it wouldn't have caused the House to devolve into a civil war. IT puts those the Count considers untrustworthy far from where they might cause damage. I just hope they aren't sent into a fight they can't possibly win."You're more worried about post war integration. "They're J-D forces, they'll fight well that's a given. When they return will reconciliation be possible or will trust in them be gone forever?"The Baron gives you an odd look. "You ask questions with deeper meaning than you're known for Viscount.""What's that supposed to mean?""Some continue to underestimate you.""Thanks I think."The two of you consider words until Tenni returns to the question at hand. "If necessary I'll take in those who are unwelcome elsewhere. My troops and crews are loyal to me but I know that not all of them are happy with the new way of things. Tell me, would you consider taking in those who would prefer the old ways?"There are plenty of other Barons who may need reinforcements after they return. Also the next Baron promoted by the House will need support. A good sized part of you isn't prepared to trust Tenni's people. Especially considering how close the two of you may have come to fighting one another. [ ] Yes[ ] Robrinaan[ ] Reinforcements for Barons[ ] No. RUDE!
>>3236381To clarify, is Tenni asking if we will take in her people that are unhappy with taking in EC survivors?
>>3236381>Tell me, would you consider taking in those who would prefer the old ways?Is it really a decent idea to park these people on Rioja? The world is not exactly run in the way traditionalist elements would expect. Maybe dump them on Avun's and Daska's worlds?> I just hope they aren't sent into a fight they can't possibly win.Their operations are still carried out under alliance command. I doubt they are willing to throw units away even if it looks like we're finally not losing any more. The FA can't really afford to get dragged into inter dominion politics.
>>3236381>[X] RobrinaanHealthy distrust activate. Plus new guy is gonna need all the help he or she can get.
>>3236404>is Tenni asking if we will take in her people that are unhappy with taking in EC survivors?Not necessarily that though some might not be happy with that either.Some of her people dont want to live on a planet that's a democracy for whatever reason.
>>3236381> [ ] No. That would just make the divide deeper, further rationalizing the House. It would be a bandaid solution that wouldn't truly resolve the underlying issues.What we need is a way to de-radicalize both sides, and remind them that although we might argue about which way the boat sails, only madmen would try to sink the boat entirely.Maybe we could instead assign them to work together under supervision for public works, give them their own sports teams and stuff and teach them healthy competition to turn it into more of a friendly rivalry, while letting migration happen naturally.
>>3236432>>3236436TL;DRHave them make an intermediate step on a more neutral world that needs development first. Say, 2 to 10 years living together without incident with commiserate benefits for longer time spent developing a planet.
>>3236411>Maybe dump them on Avun's and Daska's worlds?Those are closer to Dominion "normal" even with the various issues with the planetary government on Daska's planet.
>>3236432>>3236451I think relocating them all to one place is a bad idea. While it might provide a nice short term boost to the most conservative part of that planet's population, letting a large enough group of people with fringe ideas gather in one place got us our most recent headache. I'd open a set number of places from the on adequate planets so they will have to spread over multiple worlds.And as much as I'd like to simply export disgruntled Terrans from Rioja to Tenni's world, we really shouldn't let all the extremists gather on one planet, no matter what end of the political spectrum they're from.Overall I''d say>[ ] Yes but make sure to distribute them evenly.
>>3236381>>3236404>>3236432Ah.[x] Yes[x] Other: "I'll help those that I can, but I worry that elements of the House may view them as tainted the same as the EC forces. And those views are likely to be renewed if you were, by necessity, to take in those unwelcome elsewhere."We can take them in and hopefully distribute them later to new/returning Barons, and hopefully weed out any Tenni/EC spies. Also a soft poke on the 'your actions were questionable during this whole thing'.
Some Issyk fleet personnel will be unhappy with the reforms and would prefer to emigrate to more traditionally governed J-D planets. Their potential loyalty to Baron Tenni could turn out to be a problem later should she try to stab you in the back for whatever reason. a) Allow them to settle on Riojab) Encourage Robrinaan to build up forces therec) Reinforcements for Barons worldsd) Distributed to all traditionally governed J-D worlds (including Rioja)e) No. Tenni can live with the consequences of her choices
>>3236482>d) Distributed to all traditionally governed J-D worlds (including Rioja)
>>3236482>e) No. Tenni can live with the consequences of her choices.Changing vote from >>3236476>>3236436>>3236439I'm not sure I quite agree with the plan, but the sentiment makes sense.Tenni will either have to temper her stances or face a weakened position due to unhappy subordinates, which benefits the House since it has lost the ability to use a Governor as the traditional check on the Baron's power.Plus, it prevents Tenni from creating a bastion for the EC politically.
"I'm not going to make things simple for you by saying you can send them all to Rioja. There are many worlds in the House that are still governed the old way and will continue to be. What I would recommend is that they be distributed among the other worlds. Ultimately the people who decide to leave here can make their own choices, isn't that what you wanted?""I wanted stability while giving the populace something in return. I was hoping to get the best of both worlds. I know reality is rarely so kind.I'll make sure Rioja or any one world isn't inundated with troops requesting transfers out of my command.""Thank you." Next you wanted to discuss ideas for ways to neutralize cross border terrorist support."You worked with Count Jerik to pressure the Houses involved. What about asking out allies to do the same? The Run Alliance, Ruling House, even Helios. This area is in their sphere of influence now right?""We tried that at different times. Even closing the border on occasion. It got them to stop using their own black ops teams which is good. They only risked those sparingly but we could tell the difference when they did. Instead they simply ensured those helping the insurgents were "deserters" and "private citizens" afterwards.""So basically being assholes and denying everything." "Yes.""You had to have tried your own black ops response I assume?"The Baron gets an evil glint in her eye."My black ops teams arranged for a number of terrorists to escape and reach training facilities on the other side of the border. Some of them were carrying implanted bombs. It was nearly a year before their supporters were able to establish new camps.""Implanted bombs..."[ ] That's messed up[ ] Not my first choice but results matter[ ] Good thinking
>>3236623>[ ] That's messed upEw.
>>3236623>[ ] Not my first choice but results matter
>>3236623[x] That's messed upmostly on the grounds of the potential for those bombs to go off somewhere other than a training camp.[x] Not my first choice but results matterIt seems to indicate some incompetence on the other side, though. Shouldn't an implanted bomb be detected by a basic medical scan? Especially one large enough to do more than kill the carrier.
>>3236623>[ ] That's messed up>[ ] Not my first choice but results matter"I do know very little of the situation you're in and I understand you wouldn't take a step like that lightly. However, the risk of these bombs detonating in an unintended location alone would probably worry me too much to use them in any but the most dire sitautions."Sonia disapproves -5
>>3236623> [ ] That's messed up> [ ] Not my first choice but results matter> [ ] Also, admittedly, kind of hilariousIt's like people forget that we *technically* aren't a war criminal several times over.Technically.
>>3236741>It's like people forget that we *technically* aren't a war criminal several times over.I'd really like to hear these technicalities.
>>3236623>[ ] Good thinkingBonus points for having it be an ironic twist, that the bombers were turned into bombs.Or at least > [ ] Not my first choice but results matter
>>3236752Just off the top of my head there was the ship full of Civilians we blee up that resulted in Assassins and Bounty Hunters chasing us for *years* both in game and IRL time.Also there was at least one planet we bombarded with kinetic munitions that was technically not part of the treaty or we were juuuuuust sub-yield.Oh and also our short stint as an amoral assassin where we learned that Grapple-chan is best girl.There's also that time we sold SP torpedoes on the Black Market, those probably ended up killing some people.Seriously, how would you guys react if people started blowing shit up on Rioja? If terrorists threatened our family?Last few threads have been full on genocidal if that happened.Tenni is clearly just the MC protagonist in another game.
>>3236759I mean.That's not so bad. There were extenuating circumstances for all of those.
>>3236759>Just off the top of my head there was the ship full of Civilians we blee up that resulted in Assassins and Bounty Hunters chasing us for *years* both in game and IRL time.It was a warship, their fault. Not a war crime, at least not by post ww1 to present day standards.>Also there was at least one planet we bombarded with kinetic munitions that was technically not part of the treaty or we were juuuuuust sub-yield.If it's not nuclear yield and armed at a military target it doesn't go against any treaty.>Oh and also our short stint as an amoral assassin where we learned that Grapple-chan is best girl.I remember that one. When people voted to do that shit and then nobody actually felt like playing it out. Good times. Still not a war crime by any definition.>There's also that time we sold SP torpedoes on the Black Market,That one I don't remember, so, maybe?>Last few threads have been full on genocidal if that happened.Unlikely. Mainly because bombing the civilian population as a response to that would be retarded by almost any standard.
"On the one hand that's messed up. Doesn't it run the risk of the bomb detonating in an unintended location?""We've learned a lot from the people we've been fighting against. How to hide and deploy them, then detonate at the right time. Make no mistake Viscount, here people were dying.""It's definitely not my first choice but I admit results do matter."A powerful enough explosive on the ground is going to kill someone just as dead as a mass driver shot fired from orbit. "I think that's a good intro to my next topic; retaliation. Do you have any good cloaked ships for your black ops teams to perform strikes and raids across the border with?""An old Frigate that was captured during the Civil War. I'm saving resources for a Nocturn."That seems like not nearly enough. According to a report you read earlier this year most of the Barons had one Nocturn or at least two older cloaked ships. Sometimes just cloaked battleships that have seen upgrades but still. [ ] Call her out on it[ ] Keep quiet[ ] Ask is she counts cloaked battleships[ ] Offer to conduct a few strikes for her
>>3236759>ship full of civiliansIt was a section of a SRL Super Heavy Cruiser being used as a black market. A SHC is always a valid military target, and unfortunately our infiltration limited our ability to put the torpedoes elsewhere.>kinetic munitionsMass driver rounds, iirc, are not a war crime to bombard a world with. I got a laugh out of people thinking we weren't turning the areas around our military targets into rubble, though.>amoral assassintechnically not a war crime. Also a hilarious thread.>SP torps on the black marketPart of #1, iirc. Or was that when we were trading for our captured people after that Rovinar mission and ended up getting TCS Odyssy crew?>TerroristsThey'd have a bad day.
>>3236789[x] Ask if she counts cloaked battleshipsDidn't Tenni buy some of those battleships the EC used? We could make a joke about understanding she likes battleships.
>>3236793>I got a laugh out of people thinking we weren't turning the areas around our military targets into rubble, though.Our mass driver strikes were operating with extremely low yields at times. In one thread we allowed factory workers to evacuate a munitions plant something like 5 minutes before the strike. If we were working with the maximum yield allowed under the factions treaty at all tiomes those 5 minutes would have been meaningless and Sonia is not the type of person to do that.
>>3236800We still miss with a number of shots, iirc.And TSTG did post the following during one of those Operation Tempest threads:">Meanwhile back at that colony you bombarded..."
>>3236436>>3236439>>3236518Meant to post this earlier.Your suggestions might work better for EC prisoners and those returning after the war. Probably not going to be as popular among those who haven't been charged as participating in the uprising.>>3236793A black market that you were under orders to sell torpedoes to so that they could be traced back to captured Rovinar ships. >I have an idea, let's blow it up!>That wasn't in the mission brief->Doing it anyways!>Also a hilarious thread.I was laughing my head off iirc. >These rolls>Woops you're on the highway! Have fun disembarking
>>3236789>[ ] Ask is she counts cloaked battleships>>3236799Lol. Remind her that we have a really, really good Spec Ops force. We could even help her out a little, if she was willing to take the heat if things go wrong.House first, Dominion second. It's really a shame she isn't willing to be honest with us about stuff when we came here to try and work together, but we'll be the bigger person and reach out anyways.
>>3236830We've had some real fun times over the years.I regret nothing about donating to your patreon!
>>3236793Like I said. Technically, we aren't a War Criminal. Tenni's plan fits perfectly with those actions.
>>3236830Quick question - is orbital mass driver bombardment still not a war crime? I feel like they changed that at some point . . .
>>3236832>We could even help her out a little, if she was willing to take the heat if things go wrong.That is an extremely good way to give someone leverage on us, though. Or they could just use their turned informants to sacrifice our people to damage our standing, while making the enemy trust the turncoat for future use.>>3236843>we aren't a war criminalWe don't even need to be the best correct in this case!>>3236830>traced back to captured Rovinar shipsThe Rovinar intel person did admit that our distribution method may have been superior, though!>I was laughing my head off iircAlmost as good as the shuttle ramming technicals off a ramp and then the nat 20 barrel roll to spot ground targets in city streets while inverted.>>3236844iirc there were kinetic bombardment missiles handed out to units without mass drivers during Operation Typhoon, and possibly during later Faction Alliance operations. So long as you're not going nuke scale, you're legal.
>>3236844>nuclear weapons, or those exceeding a yield of approximately 10 kilotons, are explicitly banned from use within the atmospheres of habitable worlds.Anything getting up to around 5 kilotons yield is treated as a grey area. Normally mass driver bombardment is expected to be kept below 1 kiloton to minimise collateral damage. Pic related is how much damage a 2000 lb bomb would do which is roughly what your smaller mass drivers were dealing with each shot when firing from orbit during the South Reach attacks.
>>3236892Sorry. I want to take that pic seriously; but those goddamn names man.
>>3236859>We could even help her out a little, if she was willing to take the heat if things go wrong.It's also a good way to infiltrate or frame someone.I think they meant "use your people and we'll provide the gear". We could claim it was meant to hunt down possible Terran cloaked ships, given their recent presence in a destabilized JD world and Tennis people overstepped their mandate once they got their grubby hands on it (if they get caught).
Running out of steam for tonight.I'll see about maybe posting before work tomorrow.
"Do you count cloaked battleships? I know most Barons have one or two of them.""No I dont. The few I have are older models and the sensor outposts along the border are too good to get through without being detected. They're normally used as close scouts for the fleet." You shrug and drop the matter."Last annoying question, honest. There are bound to be movies about all of this eventually. How do you want to be seen in one of them?"That seems to stop the Baron short."Oh no.""What?""I-I dont want any movies about me! I never even considered that!""Why not?" you ask, now genuinely curious. "I must have a dozen about me or with me in them.""I tend to see myself as a less attention grabbing figure in the grand story of our House.""Just a reminder then, I have my own media company. History is shaped by whoever writes it.""Viscount, nobody believes those movies."You feign mock ignorance. Or at least you tell yourself it's an act."Rude! What about Shelby's movie?""That was an exception.""I"m not even sure I want to talk to you any more." you grumble. >Any last minute conversation pieces or are we out of here?
>>3238757What's her opinion on House Medel?
>>3238757Any good places on the planet to eat at? Or are they all filled with back stabbing traitors?
>>3238757>"Viscount, nobody believes those movies."I forget, but aren't all of them based upon True Sonia Adventures? But with bad character writing?
>>3238757Welp. It's decided. Tenni will be our dueteragonist foil, someone sympathetic to the rebels but slightly foolish about it. Classic "bleeding heart".Honestly people will probably love her more than us, but respect our character in the movies more.
>>3238757How does Tenni view the removal of the Homeworld's ability to check the power of Barons such as Winifred by installing chosen Governors due to Democratic selection? Will the spread of this situation eventually doom Jerik-Dremine to a slow death as the Homeworlds lose their influence over the ever increasing number of worlds that are weeks if not months away?Specifically because we did not consider this when we installed a democratic vote in Surekah, nor the fact that we would be framed for treason by Fox for doing what we felt was right.
>>3238757>"Viscount, nobody believes those movies."But they're all trueeee
>>3238771>What's her opinion on House Medel?"Well meaning leadership. They're good allies, though I'm not certain they'll survive once the war is over.""Why is that?""The core leadership loyal to Medel is very small. There are too many disloyal nobles that are only barely held in check. The House itself is dependent on the Ruling House and J-D for political and financial support. Mercenaries are their greatest strength and weakness all in one. For now their territory is being looked at as a good place in the Dominion's Centri cluster territory for Mercenaries to hire out of. It's unlikely mercenaries will base out of there forever. If the PCCG establishes their own local merc hub in the cluster it will draw support away."It sounds to you like they should get rich off the mercenary trade while they can and use it to diversify. >>3238885>I forget, but aren't all of them based upon True Sonia Adventures? But with bad character writing?Yes.Fortunately you've contracted out for some new movies from a Terran firm. I can't remember if they were relocating to Rioja or not.
We need to indignantly remind her that the movies ARE true, we've got the battle cam footage and mission reports to prove it. Not all declassified but still.
>>3239390> Fortunately you've contracted out for some new movies from a Terran firm. I can't remember if they were relocating to Rioja or not.How thoroughly can we vet them given recent events?Speaking of which, don't forget to threaten to pull out of the Terraforming deals we just made of the Terrans don't give us concessions for their spying.Complain first to the colonies then let them pressure the Government a bit first before we decide to accept their concessions.
>>3239704>How thoroughly can we vet them given recent events?Fairly well?>>3238775She wouldn't recommend any outside of the higher security zones. There are a few that cater to the nobles that she suggests. Predictably they're mostly upscale places, though there are a couple bars that cater more to the Knights. There is no celebration when the return to Rioja. Enough resources have been wasted on this outing. After disembarking all troops spend a day on base before being granted leave. Medics wanted that long at least to perform quick psych evaluations. You of course return immediately to the capital, wanting to see your kids for the first time in weeks. It hasn't been that long, shorter than the Shallan space deployment, but it seems like both of them have grown quite a bit. Aside from a few basic daily briefings you and Troy take the rest of the week off out at the manor house.With the kids being curios on the 3rd day Troy shows them around the stables, letting them see and pet the horses. "When you're a bit older maybe I can teach you two how to ride?" he tells them.[ ] You're okay with that[ ] When they're much older[ ] Only if they have stasis medical systems[ ] Absolutely not! It's too dangerous
>>3239995>[ ] You're okay with thatIn the grand scheme of things. This is the least dangerous sports hobby that they could get in to. Plus Troy is well versed in horses and will be watching over them. So why get in the way?
>>3239995>[x] You're okay with thatJust make sure to pack stasis units. I'm sure the estate has dedicated medical staff on standby at all times anyway. Besides, it's a decent hobby. Just make sure they actually have to put in work at the stables if they want to rider the horses once they're old enough.
>>3239995>You're okay with thatAs long they start with gentle horses or donkeys
>>3239995[x] You're ok with thatDid Troy just put us on the spot in front of the kids? Not cool. And Sonia is the fun parent, damn it. Spaceships, power armor and more crazy adventures that you can shake a stick at! >>3240006Also backing the comments here. If they want to ride, ensure that they learn to care for the animals. Responsibility!
>>3239995>[ ] You're okay with that
>>3239995> [ ] You're okay with thatLet's us and Troy prepare them by pretending to be horses and piggybacking them around.
>>3239995>[ ] You're okay with thatAlso supporting piggybacking and other wholesome family activities
Sonia is the mom that would take the kids camping when they're old enough and then put on a recon suit to spook them at night.
>>3241965> not giving them their own suits and stun guns for midnight hide and seek and destroy
>>3241965> not giving them their own suits and stun guns for midnight hide and seek and destroyThe best bodyguard is yourself. Also imagine how surprised any kidnappers would be to get phase gunned by a 6yo in recon armorNote to self - get midget body doubles
>>3246552>hide and seek and destroyGenuine chuckle
>>3246661You ever play little kids in laser tag? No empathy or fairness.
>>3241965The Reynard witch project?Not dead, just not having a great time the past couple days. Resuming tomorrow.
>>3247611Drop Soldiers off. Tell them they're playing laser tag with each other, over 2 days. Capture the flag or some such.The kids are ordered to let loose and assassinate the leaders during their conflict without getting caught.
>>3247884>>3247611Kids both have recon suits.
>>3239995Hey. Can we get a "Tenni reaction to Sonias visit" PoV from Tenni?I find myself interested in how she views Sonia, given her reaction to being in an upcoming movie.
>>3250347Perhaps it is time for an intel services report on how certain parties feel about Sonia?I cant recall the last one, and wonder if our salvage hunger is still noted.
Thinking it over you realise that you're okay with that. Maybe the stables will have a bit more permanent medical staff standing by but really it's far less dangerous than many other things.With them being far to young at present you decide on a substitute. Giving them piggy back rides around the House. You pick up Leon while Troy does the same with Eleanor."Race!" Shouts Eleanor which is quickly echoed by her brother."Race?" you consider them quickly decide to go for it. "Yes! Race you around the house!"Careful not to go too quick and to ground the corners carefully you pick up speed. "You're not a ground pounder." Troy points out."Tell that to my dust!" In return Troy makes a quip about the endurance of people who use power armor so often. "I've trained with Marines.""Who only have to run the length of a ship."You and Troy continue to trade verbal jabs while lapping the House. Predictably the kids get tired of the somewhat rough ride before the adults. Your husband takes the opportunity to complain that he would have won an endurance race.
Taking the rest of the week to spend time with the kids it's the closest thing you've had to a vacation since the mess with the uprising started. Even aboard ship during transit there wasn't any real downtime. If it wasn't for the regular holo communications with them you'd be worried that the kids might not recognise either of you once making it back. That wont be an option when deploying to Neeran space. You're going to be about of contact for months. It may be possible to send simple messages back once the Alliance secures more of the target region. Maybe they could be loaded into a hologram? On returning to Rioja's capital it's back to business as usual. Fadila has started a few people looking over the economic situation to determine how much it would cost to discontinue funding of various elements by the central government. It's going to take some time to have all of that ready. Some elements of the Terran population have started to push for more electoral reforms in line what those on Dreminth. The push back from the rest of the populace on the planet has been substantial. They do not want to see the same disruption happen here. With the battle lines of the war moving into Neeran space did you want to make any statements to the Terran refugee community? I believe there was talk among players of deporting subversive elements.
>>3250699>With the battle lines of the war moving into Neeran space did you want to make any statements to the Terran refugee community?"This is a Dominion world. run by a Dominion leader, in Dominion space. Continued agitation for Democratic reforms will not be tolerated, and if you do not agree I would recommend finding alternative refuge."
>>3250602>Your husband takes the opportunity to complain that he would have won an endurance race.He will have to prove that later in the evening then. >With the battle lines of the war moving into Neeran space did you want to make any statements to the Terran refugee community? Like we've already told them. This is the Dominion and not the Terran Alliance. We understand that they are used to different rules and that adapting to the Dominion can be hard. But the facts remain very simple. If they do not enjoy the current way things are done they can either relocate to a world more suited to them. Or they can make the best of it. Their choice.
>>3250699Complain to Terra that their recent actions have made us concerned about the local Terran population, tell them we'll have to start deportations if further unrest grows and that we'll be billing them for the cost if it happens.Seriously, given our long history of working cooperatively with the Terrans, and our recent major investments of both resources and money in their new terraforming projects, meant to help their people - and they pull this shit on us?As for the local terran community, issue a warning against sedition along with a PR release reminding the population of the economic growth and success Rioja has seen and praise them for not letting the recent troubles affect the planet. Outright thank them for their continued loyalty, and vow to continue making Rioja not just better but the best place to live in the Dominion! Maybe announce it alongside a new public works project.Let the citizens pressure the Terrans into falling into line or leaving.
>>3250699Oh, and have we put a freeze on the funds/equipment being used in those terraforming projects in Terran space yet, with a notice that it was due to Terran special ops being caught involved in an internal dispute within our house?
>>3250699>With the battle lines of the war moving into Neeran space did you want to make any statements to the Terran refugee community?Rioja is a liberal world by Dominion standards. They can say what they want, have the right to protest, and aren't drafted into any kind of armed forces. The way things are run at the moment have helped the planet prosper from an actual barren desert into a prospering colony of hundreds of millions. As long as things are going as well as they are there's little need for change, especially if it's change purely for change's sake.If they don't want to stay on Rioja once things have normalized in Terran space we understand. We'll do our best to coordinate with the various regional Terran governments to ensure returning refugees will have no problem transferring their assets. However, further agitation will not be tolerated, especially with the war still on.
>>3250751Point for making the Terrans look bad to their own population. We could make a statement that we're pulling our Planet moving project away from Terran Space immediately due to the fact that they as a foreign Nation have intentionally tried to destabilize part of the Dominion, which they have no right to. That way we come out of it looking like the do-gooder, who literally moved entire worlds for the sake of the Terran Refugees. While the Terran Alliance comes off looking like the ungrateful bad guys who plants a knife in our back all the while we help them.Ofcourse that could lead to a drop in revenue as I am not sure we can take as much money from the Dominion as we can for the Terrans.Really I just want to lay the ground work for making them look bad for the Cold, and not so cold ,war that will come.
>>3250602>Family bondingSounds like a normal family to me.>>3250699>TerransOf course they see the house having issues they want to take advantage of it to make a Dominion world more Terran. If they don't like the way things are done here they can move back to a Terran world. No way in hell going to allow Terran's to start impacting internal policy. Their government may claim to have had no part in J-D's recent spat. But anyone who isn't an idiot Terran knows they played some part in it. Especially since their government is responsible for many houses being destroyed in the past due allegedly having Diamond mines.Hush the more aggressive elements, if they start rioting and conducting themselves as the early stages of the coup. Maybe paint them in a way that makes them look like the radical elements of the EC who over threw the council and lead to the assassination of the Count.For the more moderate portions let them be, but also remind them they can always look for homes in more Terran leaning worlds. Especially since the front lines are moving more and more into Neeran territory. So Terrans worlds will actually be safe now.
>>3250772Nah, we don't permanently pull away. We just shut it down for now and let the Terraforming interests pressure the Terran Government into making reparations before we resume business as usual.
>>3250774Instead of painting them as EC supporters, instead question where the Terran Special Forces were getting support from. Graciously decline to put official sanction on the Terran refugees because everyone in the Dominion is protected by law, Nobles and Commoners alike.But agitate that the interference was Terran, so the refugees who still have strong connections with Terran organizations will be under inspection.Get the refugees to instead drop their connections to Terra; or leave for good due to a hostile citizenry refusing to deal with them, of their own free will.Also compare them to the Shallans, who are model refugees who work hard and contribute and have also seen us help their homeland several times.That's how gratitude works.In fact, are there any Shallan terraforming works we could invest in? Make it look like we can line those up if the Terran ones fall through?
>>3250699Did we have rooftop Shallans protecting their businesses from possible riots?
>>3250820Nothing anywhere near that extreme on Rioja. Just the usual agitators. Before they were largely ignored, now they're just as often reviled.>>3250751>have we put a freeze on the funds/equipment being used in those terraforming projects in Terran space yetNo because none of your business would dare do that on their own initiative. Those business are already over charging the Terrans. Stopping would negatively impact that funding stream. If they actually shut down the weather control systems and atmospheric processors the local Terran governments would not hesitate to seize them with the military due to the danger that would pose to their citizens.If you stopped selling or establishing new terraforming systems on additional colonies in Terran space people would quickly look to your few competitors, allowing them to chip away at your near monopoly. I suppose you could arrange for the terraforming teams in Terran space to go on strike as that could be seen as outside the company's control.>>3250772>We could make a statement that we're pulling our Planet moving project away from Terran Space immediately due to the fact that they as a foreign Nation have intentionally tried to destabilize part of the Dominion, which they have no right to.While shutting down the weather control and terraforming systems would be suicidal for the companies in Terran space, putting a stop to any further orbital corrections is certainly doable. [ ] Halt existing terraforming projects in Terran space[ ] Terraforming teams in Terran space go on strike[ ] No new terraforming projects in Terran space for now[ ] No new orbital corrections in Terran space for now[ ] No change to operations
>>3250915>[ ] No change to operations
>>3250915[ ] No new orbital corrections in Terran space for now
>>3250818>are there any Shallan terraforming works we could invest in?Not at this time. They've committed all resources to the war effort. As there are shallan worlds within the borders of the Neeran Empire the State is dead set on capturing those to help make up for what they've lost.
>>3250915> [ ] Terraforming teams in Terran space go on strike[ ] No new terraforming projects in Terran space for now[ ] No new orbital corrections in Terran space for nowThese three then. For going on strike, maybe a "work to rule" strike, so no OT, no special projects, etc? Just slowing things down instead of stopping them?
>>3250915>[X]No change to operationsI'd like to get an expert on the Terran Alliance on our staff, though. We will have to continue dealing with them and they're currently an important source of revenue, so I'd like to handle them properly instead of Sonia flailing around uselessly against a system she doesn't know or understand in depth.
>>3250980I thought Grav Well generators were hard to get right now due to the war effort, no?That influenced my "no new work" plan because of the scarcity meaning competition couldn't take those contracts either.
>>3250915>[ ] No new orbital corrections in Terran space for now
>>3250711Supporting this. Also, in our absence have standing orders to arrest and deport subversive elements.There will be no further democratic reforms here.
>>3250989The grav well generators yes. You dont have much competition in that regard and any you do is likewise from the Dominion.
>>3251016Unrelated Grav Well Generator question, but we picked up the Focusing technology disc from the Sphere when we asked if there was a way to jam Scorcher wormholes. Are they capable of doing that yet?
Rage quit survey. I'm done dealing with surveymonkey for today.>>3251025Did I say those were related?Can you link me that part?
>>3251063I got focusing/lensing mixed up but I knew it was mentioned at some point.https://archived.moe/qst/thread/2327929/#q2349154>"I'll search for a way to jam wormholes. Other than that I'm not sure what else would be useful against them.">Ran spends the better part of an hour looking for a way to block wormholes and locates something that may work.>"A gravitational lensing system. I'm not sure if the Factions would be able to produce this though."
>>3251025>>3251133Thanks.It's believed this now works, though its actual effectiveness remains uncertain. They would use the wormhole mostly for orbital bombardment rather than ship to ship actions. If a fleet with a gravity well were present they'd be concentrating on targeting Faction warships.
>>3250915Could we put orbital Corrections on hold, and then conduct a Security review that basically concludes that Terran space operations are a high risk do 2 Terran intelligence operations siding the incident in j d space? and then use that to secure both additional guarantees from the terrans and additional funding for security enhancements.
>>3251143I like the idea of this. It's less uncontrollable than a strike and more personally inconvenient, since the higher the position the more thorough the investigation and the more likelyhood of finding something more to complain about.Alternatively we could use it as justification for bringing in Dominion staff for the more senior, and well paid, positions which we could give to either people within our own company, or people within the Harmen family who we want to win over.
>>3251063Sorry to hear it.Maybe we can take a thread to really nail down how we're going to screw the Terrans for every possible concession.Oh, could we ask Versa what she thinks the best deal for what they would be willing to give us is? Avoiding all possible reference to diamond mines.
You set to work addressing issues with the local Terran populace. This is a Dominion world in Dominion space -not the Terran Alliance- and it's going to stay that way. Summoning the local Terran Ambassador you make it clear in no uncertain terms that refugees found guilty of causing an excess of civil unrest would be deported. Terran space is now safe from risk of being attacked by the Neeran. That means those kicked off world no longer face an imminent threat of death. That being one of the excuses frequently used by lawyers to delay or block deportation. You don't intend to begin mass deportations but prosecutors will seriously consider the option. In your address to the people of Rioja you point out the planet's economic prosperity and your own efforts to curb corruption. With the current systems in place the planet is flourishing. Dreminth still faces difficulties with its economy as it struggles to adjust to the new systems and those trying to exploit them.Here there is prosperity to be found and Rioja already provides more freedoms than many Dominion worlds. Those looking for more can find it elsewhere.
>>3251142Hey what happens if we chuck a bunch of antimatter in a stasis bubble, set a timer for it to turn off, then chuck it into subspace? Since AM and Subspace have an explosive interaction, we know what happens when we do it in base reality but has anyone tried that yet?Ideally far, far away from us?
>>3251270Well you need to be within a substace field to remain in subspace. Once that is no longer the case an object will tend to return to real space.>Since AM and Subspace have an explosive interactionAM and Shields have an explosive interaction. Veckron weapon emissions are a subtype of subspace radiation. From observations it causes Antimatter to become much more energetic, to the point that it becomes impossible to maintain containment. The antimatter doesn't explode from the radiation but from striking the walls of its containment vessel.>>3251143A slim majority have voted that there will be No change to terraforming operations in Terran space. Did you guys still want to carry out a security review? One that could be used as an excuse to further increase prices?
>>3251324>Did you guys still want to carry out a security review? One that could be used as an excuse to further increase prices?I am down for fucking with the Terrans
>>3251324I support the security review.
>>3251346>>3251367Agreed with these.
>>3251346We will exasperate them with excessive pettiness! Indeed, we should refuse to ask for specific concessions until they finally agree to owe us . . . Several Favours.Which we will then trade to the Rovinar! For better favours!
>>3251324>Did you guys still want to carry out a security review?> One that could be used as an excuse to further increase prices?Would we actually be able to use something like that in the Terran system to put some pressure on whoever is responsible for green-lighting spec ops? I don't see much use losing the long term sympathies the orbital corrections will gain us in Terran space for short term monetary gain.
>>3251346>>3251376But seriously part of me feels like we should hold on to the favours until we reach the point in the war where the Dominion has successfully secured Diamond Mining technology and then use it to become a licensed Diamond Mining House.We should try and rack up a favor from the Rovinar as well for this. Not sure what we could do for that yet, maybe something from the Dyson Sphere about their species? 9r was that the Hune?
>>3251390We don't have to pressure the Spec Ops, we just have to pressure the Terran Government, or more accurately whoever buys their representatives.They'll pressure Spec Ops to step back because they fucked up and are now costing people money.
>>3251392We are guaranteed to get a slice of the Diamond Mining tech due to being a part of the inner circle developing it. Just that we gonna get it a bit later than the others dude to how we're not helping with the final stretch of the matter as opposed to going baby Dyson sphere hunting.
>>3251390If it's done correctly? Yes. Say by taking that money the Terran's central government would have to pay and then using the profits from that to pay for additional investments in the individual worlds. Improve local image of HTF/Sonia while making the central government look bad to people settling on those worlds.Not that easy to do without control of the media on those worlds but possible.
>>3251399>we just have to pressure the Terran Government, or more accurately whoever buys their representatives.I get that but if the colonies we're helping establish simply levy an additional tax on their citizens directly, little is gained as we'll lose local sympathis that can be very useful in the long run.>>3251433Getting Sonia's hands in everybody's pocket by taking money from these fat cats in [capital world] nobody actually likes most of the time? Sounds great! Using that money to expand our influence on their electorate? Genius!>Not that easy to do without control of the media on those worlds but possible.If we don't own the media do the next best thing, get some spin doctors. Wasn't the Shallan federation also a democracy before the military coup? Maybe we can get some of their former specials for cheap?
>>3251407It can't hurt to have preferred partner status with Terrans, especially if we need specific material or expertise.That way we can get a jump on the competition. Or be allowed to sell SP toros to mercs or other houses given our stellar reputation for maintaining stability in both our own house and the Dominion.We could even cut a deal that it's only us, personally, who gets the extra support and not the house to really squeeze out our political opponents because then we'll be the goose with the golden egg.
A security review of the Terraforming operations in Terran space begins. Planetary Governors or their equivalents are informed this is a result of meddling by the Terran intelligence community, not any fault of theirs. Company reps are told to be apologetic but to place the blame squarely on the intelligence community. Your PR people also get to work on spinning this further in your favour.Vanderwal has found evidence that Baron Tenni has a cloaked assault transport hidden away somewhere. This on top of the cloaked ships she admitted to having. It's not in the House records but there were requisitions for replacements parts through back channels. "It could be she doesn't want anyone to know about it, friend or foe. That would make it easier to deny.""Or she plans to capture one from her rivals." Fadila optimistically points out.>Your reaction?[ ] Disappointed at the lack of trust[ ] Unsurprised, you nearly had to fight each other[ ] Indifferent, Barons must keep some things secret even from their House
>>3251506>[ ] Unsurprised, you nearly had to fight each other
>>3251506>[ ] Disappointed at the lack of trust
>>3251506>[x] Indifferent, Barons must keep some things secret even from their HouseI'm only disappointed she was preparing to fight Sonia over the EC. Sonia has been on her best behavior when it comes to internal conflicts within J-D. She's even kept to the cease fire with Fox, Sr.>This on top of the cloaked ships she admitted to having.How many of Sonia's are public knowledge?
>>3251506>[X] Unsurprised, you nearly had to fight each otherUnfortunately, this should be reported. It would be bad if Tenni was conducting cross-boarder actions in violation of the Dominion's Total War status, or worse had a hand in the Coup or the Count's death.
>>3251516>How many of Sonia's are public knowledge?All of the other Barons know that Sonia has 1 Nocturn as she was actively conducting field tests while looking at strengths and weaknesses. Most are likewise aware of the 2 other Silent Hunters. Some of them know she has a cloaked Assault Transport since she was the first in J-D to capture one. There is speculation on how many Rioja's fleet might have since the RSRIU isn't counted among the fleet totals.
>>3251506> [ ] Indifferent, Barons must keep some things secret even from their HouseBy that same logic, though, we should see if we can interfere to send a part that we can track or something. Intercept the package and replace it or modify it. Just on case we need to know where her cloaked transport is some day.
>>3251545. . . . Can we make them thing we have more than we do, by using holographics to ping sensors or leave traces? Or order excess parts (like how Tenni is doing)?And them leak that we were practicing spoofing systems so that people have no clue how many we might have?I might just like overly complicated plans.
>>3251545How m do we have in total? Are the 2 silent hunters the ones we picked up for the last bit of our favor during ths civil war or do we have more? And did we keep the cloaking frigates we managed to disable?
>>3251390Actually, the idea I had for the Security Review was basically to generate an Over-and-Above fee on our contracts, which there should be a mechanism to handle. (Say if Neeran Raiders or Pirate activity popped up and we needed to hire Mercs to defend our GravWell because no Terran ships could be spared to beef up local security.)You generate a report saying "This was not a risk at contract agreement, and the unexpected situation requires either contract modification or additional payment to cover costs" and submit it to the Terrans. Then we either get actions to mitigate the risk from the Terrans, or they pay more to cover our costs for additional security forces, screening and intrusion specialists checking our systems.Ideally, the local governments would complain loudly enough that the central government would issue guarantees that our Terraforming operations are protected from Black Ops with enforceable penalty mechanisms, or our additional security expenses are covered in a professional and business-like manner. But we work with the local governments to prevent increased costs, and work at it hard, in order to show that the bad faith is from Terran Intel. Possibly by including the verbage "We have concluded that [Terran Intelligence] has knowingly and intentionally targeted the House Jerik-Dremine for infiltration and/or espionage. As such, this company must in good faith enact the following measures to..."Even without legal evidence of Terran espionage, our report can use basic logic to conclude that J-D is a target and as a J-D company our ships/guys could be targets. Cite various space OSHA standards we may comply with where possible.It shouldn't really be all that different from making the Terrans pay for replacement parts if their people somehow cause damage to our equipment.>>3251433Or we can do that with any additional profits.
>>3251584Don't forget that they were "rogue agents". So we can claim that until we dig up their co-conspirators, not to mention the agents themselves and their equipment (which included a cloaked ship) we can't accept that they weren't receiving significant Terran support.Now, if we really wanted to be dicks to Tenni we could point them in her direction and mention that we would accept pretty much ANY cloaked transport as "the vessel used by them". And if it linked to an opposing JD faction, why then we would be happy to end the investigation there and accept that they were, indeed, rogue agents working with insurrection forces.I5 might even be true, who knows.Then we can keep the ship, and blackmail Tenni into acting in one of our movies!
>>3251599>Rogue AgentsFortunately we do not need to accept that as part of a company risk assessment/security review.And in fact, it then becomes an even worse additional risk that needs a response. "Either [Terran Black Ops] knowingly and intentionally did this, or they have demonstrated a lack of control and oversight over their agents. We would really prefer the former, as it is a smaller risk and it would require far less reassurance from the Terran Government."
>>3251564>How m(any) do we have in total?1 with RSRIU, and 1 with the army. Stealth LST's are more economical for army use so they prefer to use those.>Are the 2 silent hunters the ones we picked up for the last bit of our favor during ths civil war or do we have more?You got them early in the civil war if not before that. It was definitely before your Nocturn.>And did we keep the cloaking frigates we managed to disable?The older Dominion ones? They were mostly transferred to other Barons within the House either during or after the Civil War. I think you do still have that knockoff Krath Frigate with its odd FTL system. >>3251599Dominion cloaked assault transports share few similarities with the Terran Black Pearl Class.>>32515511) Purchase some decoys for 20 million?Y/N?2) Try to plant a tracking device on Tenni's transportY/N?3) Report Tenni's missing ship to the Count?Y/N?
>>3251617>DecoysYes>Tracking deviceNo>Report ship to CountYes, preferably via proxy (B'H ambassador?)I'd rather not antagonize the person putting bombs into people, unless we're going to rat them out to B'H to try and damage their standing within the House when the Emperor calls them out.
>>3251617>1) Y>2) N>3) A quiet message passed along.
>>3251617> 1) Purchase some decoys for 20 million?Y, could always come in use later.> 2) Try to plant a tracking device on Tenni's transportY> 3) Report Tenni's missing ship to the Count?YYes to all
>>3251631Please, it's the mildest of espionage
>>3251653Its all fun and games until Viscount Reynard is killed by a person-exploding terror attack linked to the people Tenni is waging a shadow war with, giving a legit reason for Tenni to wipe out her problems with a fleet.
>>3251617>1Y>2N>3Y - pass a word along via a proxy.
>>3251676Do we not have sufficiently paranoid security?
Decoys for several cloaked ships will be purchased along with spare parts and equipment to resupply at least one real ship. You have no intention of putting any sort of tracking device on one of Tenni's ships. It could easily backfire and let a rival House discover it. Then there would be serious problems. Vanderwal is asked to very quietly inform the Count about Tenni's hidden ship. No records that could trace back to you. Baron Archivald has sent an encrypted message from the front thanking you for stepping in to handle the situation in the homeworlds in his absence. While he would have preferred to prevent any reforms going through its certainly better to have them limited to two and a half worlds than to have torn apart the House with fighting.He and Baron Dremine will review the Count's progress when they return to determine if he should remain or step down. If you should feel that he should be replaced you're to quietly ready supplies and equipment at Gesaur via RSS or civilians companies. The returning fleets will then rendezvous at Robrinaan and the supplies shipped in so they can quickly move on the capital. RSS is not to preemptively stockpile anything at Robrinaan as it might tip off the Count. Archivald is aware the system is being built up for the next Baron. You are ordered not to reply to this message. Admiral Tama has news about additional logistics craft that have been developed for plasma weapon fuel stores. Bulky well armed and armored transports the size of battleships, these vessels could be valuable for long term operations behind enemy lines. Especially with so many types of plasma weapons in use these days. They also have systems to repair damaged or salvaged plasma weapons, freeing up repair ships for other tasks. "How much are they?""60 million. I recommend acquiring 4 of them.""Why so expensive?""They're effectively a logistics battleship that can be equipped with afterburners to better keep up with the fleet.""How well armed are they?" asks Lyas Cinayk."Two twin LD plasma cannon turrets and 8 heavy phase cannon turrets. Not much use against corvettes but a definite deterrent against cruisers and battleships getting close to their fleet."The Neeran undoubtedly have logistics craft or bases in the area you'll be operating in. It might be a good idea to capture some of those when deployed. The House has the technology to repurpose much of their gear now.[ ] Get plasma logistics ships[ ] Try to find a cheaper alternative[ ] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the field
>>3251829> [ ] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the field
>>3251829Can we still get one or two of these battleships? That way they can support the fleet we're gonna build out of salvage as per tradition. Finally we won't have to leave them in the hands of locals!
>>3251849Yes, 4 is just what the Admiral would recommend if you were going to rely on them and not salvage.
>>3251829>[X] Get plasma logistics ships>[X] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the field
>>3251829>[ ] Get plasma logistics ships>[ ] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the fieldLets do both of these. Grab the BS PL's and to have something available to help supply our deployed ships and also as usual. Make plans to capture more logistics ships. To sell or add to our considerable fleet.
>>3251829>[x] Get plasma logistics ships>[x] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the fieldPrepare for both eventualities. If possible, see if we can supply half of these ships to the fleets already at the front to gain some combat experience with them before our deployment.
>>3251829[x] Get the Plasma Logistics Ships[X] Make plans to capture Neeran assets in the fieldI'd prefer to just get 2 and plan to salvage additional assets in the field, personally.Could the plasma resupply facilities on J-D's heavier assets be upgraded, as well?
>>3251829>[X] Get plasma logistics shipsThese will compliment the Neeran Heavy Tanker that we'll be stealing quite nicely.
>>3251875>Could the plasma resupply facilities on J-D's heavier assets be upgraded, as well?Some of them. There wont be time to upgrade those on Forbearance.2 of the new logistics ships will be purchased. With that taken care of there have been some observations from those in fleet logistics as a result of events in the homeworlds. Specifically regarding energy systems and the use of antimatter. With the larger super heavy warships making use of more antimatter these days there has been talk of dedicated refueling facilities. Rioja is ideally placed for production and to provide fuel tanks to the big ships passing through on the way to or from South Reach. With the inner system being mineral rich and closer to the star it wouldn't be hard to build solar collectors to power AM production. Or even make use of that power to help the planet's economy. Obviously any antimatter stores would have to be kept far from the habitable worlds or the gas giant. Thoughts on energy collection, fuel stations or both?
>>3252124This seems like an infrastructure upgrade that can be heavily subsidized by the House, so I'm all in
>>3252124I'm generally interested but I'd prefer to talk to the governor and somebody from the system military before we decide.
>>3252124I am all for it. More money for us from the house and our Allies and anyone passing through the run needing Anti-matter for fuel or weapons. Yes, lets do it.But as>>3252145 suggested. Lets talk to the governor and see if there is budget to be had to add such infrastructure to the system. Or if it will need to fall under RSS in which case we bring London in and work with him on setting it up.
>>3252145>>3252124Don't forget the environmental report!
>>3252124What sort of time table are we looking at for the retirement of the RSS heavy? Could this be a good situation for retiring the vessel's FTL systems and leaving it as a system-ship building solar collectors & stations before eventually making it into a station core?>>3252145We should also include B'H/Royal House.We'd basically be building a strategic Dominion asset, and they may be willing to provide some experts or even a loan/license in order to secure priority access when needed. Or they might say 'Hey, we are building one of those that would compete with yours'.That said, would something like this be more viable in that planetoid system with the shipyards or with the Forbearance Yard?
>>3252145>I'd prefer to talk to the governor and somebody from the system military before we decide.Fortunately you work in the same building.>>3252166>Don't forget the environmental report!Report: Keep Antimatter away from the planet. /end>>3252181>What sort of time table are we looking at for the retirement of the RSS heavy?It's still a great station construction ship. As long as it's not being moved from system to system very much it can remain in operation for quite some time. The less FTL long jumps and jumps in general the better.>eventually making it into a station core?It's less ideally suited for that than Majestic was. >>3252181>[Avoubic] or with the Forbearance Yard?Avoubic is not on the trade lane and thus isn't well placed.The Forbearance yards are considered too vital to risk placing large stockpiles of antimatter stores in the same system.
>>3252271>MajesticRight. I confused the two ships.That said, would would the plan work with Majestic instead? Assuming we modified her with the proper industrial cores and some of those Exodus Cargo Frame things as scaffolding for production.
>>3252271>The less FTL long jumps and jumps in general the better.While we're on the topic of infrastructure improvements and FTL jumps - can we buy wormhole gates from the FA yet? If they have the tech ready to connect to the gates in Neeran space, they must be able to reproduce the technology.
>>3252311Majestic had her engines removed when it was converted into a station. The Emergency Council was looking at possibly reactivating her if fighting broke out but that has since been shelved. It is currently parked in the Diroath system. The House has no plans to make her FTL capable again.
>>3252334Wormhole gates have been classed as a restricted technology. The Alliance is working to develop a number of similar technologies based on it which they hope to provide to the Factions. Mostly so the Factions stop bugging them about it. The Governor and representatives of the Ruling House and the Run Alliance are contacted and a brief meeting arranged to discuss local fuel stations. At present most Houses that have ships with afterburners will simply have production aboard ships. The power requirements drives fusion fuel usage through the roof but this can be planned around. Assault Corvettes will pick up AM canisters from their carriers for short duration use. These are normally from super heavy cruisers or heavy carriers that again have their own onboard production. Due to the Veckron weapon threat faced in the Faction wars few have been willing to engage in large scale AM production until recently. Aries built hidden production facilities for AM torpedoes banking on most Houses being unable to get hold of Veckron weapons or being unwilling to use them. Despite the dangers there are obvious advantages. Energy density being one and lower production costs another. Super heavy cruisers in particular would benefit from such a facility being located here. They would hardly be the only ones as there is civilian demand, not just from racing leagues but potentially from power generating companies.As the logistics officers putting forward the idea finish their presentation you look to the others present.An officer of the J-D Admiralty in charge of threat assessment points out that any such facility would be a prime target. Not just in any conflict between Houses or Factions but for attack by terrorists. "The fleet might have to make the choice between defending these vulnerable facilities and protecting Rioja itself. Which isn't much of a choice. Such infrastructure could be destroyed by a simple raid, or captured and used to attack the planet."
What did we decide to name Rioja's twin planet? Was it named after Kavos or not? I'm trying to find where we decided on it.
>>3252654I vote we call it Aquarius. Where the sharks swim.
>>3252654Could just go with Rioja Secundus but that's just being lazy. Maybe poll up several names from anons and then survey monkey the names to get something everyone can agree on?
Found it. Winning vote of the survey was Kavos. Ajoir and Lva tied for second place.
>>3252705We could give the planet two moons. Or are these considered undesirable for terraforming?>>3252648What if we put an Avoubic sized asteroid fort in close orbit of the sun and base the facility there? We could also jettison the AM generators into the sun as a last security measure.
>>3252734Why not jettison the AM onto the enemy as a last resort.
>>3252734>We could give the planet two moons. Or are these considered undesirable for terraforming?I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue, just the costs of relocation. >>3252734>asteroid fort in close orbit of the sun and base the facility there?There is the inner asteroid belt also known as the Hot Belt in the Rioja system. One or more of the asteroids there could be converted. However that close to the star it wouldn't be terribly energy efficient due to the need for cooling systems. The trojan asteroids of the system's gas giant are better placed for solar power collection.
>>3252801Because if your dealing with infiltrators or spec ops you'd be blowing up the entire base in he process.
The Ruling House is interested in the possibility of cheap resupply allowing their supers to move much more quickly. Stopping here for tonight because my head is ringing. Fuck these replacement pills I'm calling the pharmacy first thing in the morning.My power is going to be down for awhile tomorrow due to building renovations. Hopefully back tomorrow night.
>>3252648I like this >>3252734 idea of a jettison-able system that we can chuck into the sun under duress. Alternatively we could find an empty neutron star system and set it up jointly with the Run Alliance. If we were looking for more security we could even build it at the RA fleet base we helped pay for, then just set up localised shipping to fuel depots.
>Turn Second planet into a massive anti-matter building facility>Dump Terran Dissenters onto it as "Job" making and as hostages>Would give extra incentive on preventing people from tossing veckron torps nearby and keep others from bombing it to kingdom come>Finally be able to make a battle planet at lastI feel there's nothing that could go wrong with this plan!Please don't take this seriously guys, I'd rather not see a sun being born in our system.
>>3253400A jettison-able system could also be combined with some sort of self-destruct once a safe distance is reached, to prevent attacks aimed at stealing the jettisoned tanks?>>3252834Would the Royal House be willing to offer cloning support to such support facilities? I'd imagine that with the restrictions on clones that are normally in place, a number of them might be interested in taking a job with good hazard pay to get into a comfortable position financially, especially as they age out of combat positions. Or cloning support and a special status for people working these stations could make them more viable, even if it blocks them from ever going noble.
>>3252834Since we are planning on building such a facility. Would that mean supers and the like would be coming in to Rioja to fuel? Or would we be shipping the fuel out to other facilities to be dispersed properly? Some reason I keep thinking if we build this thing we're going to have at least one super or a heavy refuling at all times from it and I know that is beyond unreasonable.But it would just be so great to have an extra layer of protection for Rioja, "Oh, hey, lets hit Rioja! Nah, lets not they always got a super or a heavy parked there refueling ready to blast anyone. Also the Viscount there is just crazy enough to actually commandeer a super from another house to protect their world."
>>3252834It's pretty weird reading that after telling anon over and over again to take his pills.How does AM react to teleporter systems like those used to resupply corvettes with torpedo magazines?
Maybe we can enclose each AM atom in a fullerene sphere? Make an AM foam that can be injected direct into fuel lines.
Wasn't there some other deal the Terran Alliance forced upon us?Regular inspections of our Decoy SP Torpedo production?
>>3254655They've largely stopped such inspections as other companies and Factions began producing similar decoys.>>3254441I know this or something like it was brought up a number of times before. The idea being that the Fullerene would be given a charge to magnetically repel whatever form of (also charged) antimatter was placed inside. Injecting it into a fusion drive or other high temperature environment would destroy the Fullerene releasing the antimatter. I've gotta say it seems like production and loading of these things would be more complex and expensive. Though once loaded their handling would be a bit safer than the alternatives. >Make an AM foam that can be injected direct into fuel lines.I can see this being used in sabotage missions. Which is bad because you dont want people to be using any amount of antimatter on say a planet. You only need 0.25 of a gram of antimatter to definitively violate the Factions treaty.
>>3254890Better to have it and not need it though.Also, maybe for crippling Supers with clone suicide troops?
Even if the AM facilities recieve no support the Governor seems to think solar collection stations could be useful. Especially with early stages of terraforming now beginning on Kavos. The planet still needs final corrections to settle it into its new orbit which will happen at the end of the year.>>3253996>Would that mean supers and the like would be coming in to Rioja to fuel? Or would we be shipping the fuel out to other facilities to be dispersed properly?The most efficient method would be to carry out in flight refueling when they pass through the Rioja system on their way through the Run. Dedicated tanker ships would be posted within a few hundred thousand kilometers of gateway station. Tugs would then transfer AM fuel pods to the Supers while they align for their next jump. Predictably the Ruling House is interested in the idea, though for security reasons they would prefer it if a percentage of the staff were with the Royal Logistics Corps. They would operate their own Tugs for instance for the actual refueling stage of RH Supers.
>>3255040>Predictably the Ruling House is interested in the idea, though for security reasons they would prefer it if a percentage of the staff were with the Royal Logistics Corps.Would they want an exclusive deal or would ot be okay for them if we offered the same to the seven major houses? At least as long as the Neeran war is still going on. We can renegotiate after that.
>>3255040Sounds like a joint venture, and possibly some RH security cooperation?
>>3255063They're willing to invest up to 10% in return for being able to maintain a permanant security presence plus stationing their own tugs in system. Any Ruling House garrison will not exceed those of J-D troops present except in situations of extreme emergency or threat which will require prior notification of your House. >>3255052>Would they want an exclusive deal or would ot be okay for them if we offered the same to the seven major houses?As long as precautions are taken to prevent any 1 tanker from destroying the facility they'd be fine with members of the 7 operating their own tugs from your facility. The question then is, are you ok with it?
>>3255109>10%, security, tugs, limits to garrisonWould they be providing or making available any anti-matter or security experts to assist in the design of the station? This could potentially be a prototype for additional facilities the RH could initiate on their own, or we could partner with them to build more of.
>>3255109>The question then is, are you ok with it?I'd probably say yes for the duration of the war. Helios and Kharbos are pretty decent at the moment, so maybe offer them long term (around 25 years?) contracts after that? We should probably ask Fadila.
>>3255109Why wouldn't we be fine with it?Also who said we had to let ALL 7 in?
>>3255152>This could potentially be a prototype for additional facilitiesIndeed. >experts There are few experts within the Dominion but they can see about ensuring they're made available now that they're needed less urgently for the Sovereign class.Be advised that many are former Aries corp personnel that were folded into House Aries. Some are even people captured from House Che'len after the Kythera incident.[ ] We need all the help we can get[ ] Actualy DHI has learned a lot, lets go with them[ ] While the war is on we can get help from the Kavarians[ ] Salvage Faction Wars AM tech from Kavarian wrecks to copy
>>3255253> [ ] We need all the help we can getFrom within the Dominion and > [ ] Salvage Faction Wars AM tech from Kavarian wrecks to copy
>>3255253>[ ] We need all the help we can getAll of the help, we're not afraid to ask.
>>3255253[x] We need all the help we can getIf the Ruling House approves of using them, we shall vicariously accept using them.But also [x] Salvage OptionBecause Sonia Reynard.
>>3255253>[ ] While the war is on we can get help from the KavariansLets see how well the Kavarians are willing to work with us. Do some trading of tech such as the atmospehere controlers and they can give us advanced antimatter tech. They're building giant stellar harvesters, surely this is but a small thing to them.>[ ] Salvage Faction Wars AM tech from Kavarian wrecks to copyAlso if that falls through, just ask B'H to let us into some juicy salvage zones where we can go recover this stuff with RSS so we can get what we need and maybe recover another Super that we can sell to another allied house or one of the seven.
>>3255276>ask B'H to let us into some juicy salvage zones"We would but there's already someone there.""Who!?""Reynard Salvage Solutions."
>>3255290"I hate those guys!"
>>3255290What? They're taking our salvage!So . . . AnybSalvage areas we aren't I?Ooh! Can we get the Terrans to give us an unlimited salvage permit for salvaging in their territory?
>>3255290Huh, so we've actually spread so far as to fill all of the Dominion salvage zones? Wow London has certainly been spreading our name far and wide across the Dominion. Or someone is stealing our name.Or the Dominion's main salvage zones are focused here in the Run? Then where the heck are we gonna salvage Kavarian Faction War tech from? Or is there some sort of faction wars era jackpot we've not hit that they might know about that we can ask Linda to help us in reaching.
>>3255328I think we've just got a crazy head start on Smuggler's Run salvage in the receding Nav Hazards, due to respecting the Navigator's Guild's warnings and I think uptraining our salvage navigators?
>>3255296>>3255302>>3255328Ber'helum doesn't have access to many Faction Wars era salvage zones. Those in the Centri cluster were quickly looted after the wars. RSS already has deals with the Navigators to secure salvage sites in DRH 1 and South Reach once they're safe to access.
>>3255253Speaking of Kavarian technology, we provided them with data to improve their restarted bio armor programme. Have they managed to produce working suits yet? These could be useful to provide the kids with armor that actually grows with them.
>>3255359>we provided them with data to improve their restarted bio armor programme.What data did we provide?>armor that actually grows with them.The kavarian armor doesn't work like that. It's more like a Crysis suit using artificial muscle fibers originally intended for replacement limbs. The Krath armor on the other hand is an actual life form.
>>3255380>What data did we provide?Electro cat dna samples we collected during the sphere expedition. We provided them to the Krath too.>The kavarian armor doesn't work like that.That's unfortunate. I had hoped it would be similar to Krath armor but with less issues due to being most likely less invasive.
>>3255253[ ] We need all the help we can get
RSS is told to keep on the lookout for any old antimatter production systems left over from the wars. Odds are good a few Super Heavy wrecks will be carrying equipment meant to help replenish the antimatter stores of entire fleets, not just individual ships. Even with the efficiency of antimatter reactors and propulsion those enormous formations of super heavies wouldn't be able to travel from the Centri Cluster to South Reach and still be ready to attack the Republic. With the Crate poking around old wrecks in that area odds are good they'll find something.With basic agreements that a facility of some kind is going to be built there are questions on how to focus development. Constructing a fortress that could shrug off hits and hold its own against a siege would be one way of protecting AM production. It could also mount compartmentalized defenses to prevent damage from spreading too far if a fuel tank at the docks were to explode.East to defend but not so easy to expand production if need be. Another option would be a nearly opposite approach and build cheaper production plants intended to be mass produced. They'd be weaker and harder to defend but in theory you could afford to lose a few. Each would consist of the solar collectors, AM production and various defense systems. Little in the way of armor or structure. If a few M/AM reactors were kept on site there'd certainly be no shortage of power available for energy defenses. Shields and stasis fields could be used to reinforce either design. [ ] Maximum defense, fortress type[ ] Ease of mass productionTrying to find a middle ground between the two might be possible but you wouldn't really get the benefits of either.
Hey neat, this looks a lot like one of the RSS defense platforms.Back on tomorrow night.
>>3255632We're not ones to shy away from the difficult option. What with making Rioja our own multi year project that some would say was a drain on resources. That would be better spent elsewhere. Well look at Rioja now!Besides, with our stance on making sure Rioja is within FA treaty for AM having as much protection for this stuff. To keep it from being sent floating towards Rioja or used against Rioja. I'd say investing in a defense platform based production facility would be great. And in the event that someone some where finds a more cost effective energy production that doesn't get activated by vekron weaponry. Then we can turn the place into another defense platform/ station for the Rioja system. That also happens to provide fuel for AB systems and pay for itself. And if there is more inter house warfare or faction warfare in the future. It has its own defenses so it isn't completely defenseless. Also can level FA treaty violations against anyone using it as leverage against two habitable worlds. Pissing off everyone.
>>3255632>[ ] Maximum defense, fortress typeIf we have AM reactors and a shitload of fuel available for defense situations, why not mount massive shields/stasis shields that use so much power it's nearly invulnerable? We'd kind of be accomplishing several goals that way, in a combat situation we could rapidly burn off all the AM, and leave nothing left to be used against us.
>>3255632> [ ] Maximum defense, fortress type
>>3255632[x] Maximum defense, fortress typeIt can always be 'expanded' later by placing cheaper mass production plants within its defensive umbrella, or by building a sister station.It should also make for a more difficult terror target.>>3255712>why not mount massive shields/stasis shieldsSP torpedoes, V-torps, and those fancy new Terran V-beamsBut against normal stuff I'd imagine this thing would mount planetary grade shields or something crazy.
>>3255754>SP torpedoesWhy not make some kind of particle beam PD that uses anti-matter? I bet that would really eliminate torpedoes.
>>3255632[ ] Maximum defense, fortress typeBuild big or go home
>>3255632I'm really tempted to vote for cheap facilities to boost the overall economy of the Dominion but do we really want easily accessible, affordable, large scale antimatter production for these people?Definitely not.>[x] Maximum defense, fortress type>>3255681>why not mount massive shields/stasis shields that use so much power it's nearly invulnerable? We could take inspiration from the sphere and see if physics explode if we place a stasis generator with nearly unlimited energy inside its own stasis field.
>>3255873AM only explodes if it touches things, no? Why not just shoot pure AM at torpedoes out of magnetic bottles? If you have enough of it, you could use it as a sort of long distance stream attack.
>>3256455I would assume because there's still enough stuff floating around in space to make the antimatter react.
>>3256462Eh, space is pretty empty. Besides, that only applies to the first shot.
>>3256463So it should work like ER lasers in battletech, is what you're saying?
>>3256463I guess it might be possible. The enemy fleet during the battle of the Ruling House homeworld had some kind of antimatter cannon, if I remember correctly. It would make sense to equip these on AM production facilities as they'll have more than enough ammo for them at all times.
>>3256480Pretty much. If we can impart a charge to AM (which I imagine is necessary for containment) then we can also guide them with an ionized beam. The problem would be speed, but if we're making a fortress AM generator then we can just integrate a ginormous AM particle accelerator to cycle it through.All for the low risk of having multiple complex containment systems for a silly amount of AM to be moving around unless you absolutely have to!Also do we got any word on monofilament spray shells? If we're facing Neeran auxiliaries in our advance, it might be worth it to be able to deliver Monofilament schwarf to an area so that it hangs around and shreds any unarmored material or sapients.
>>3256509>, it might be worth it to be able to deliver Monofilament schwarf to an area so that it hangs around and shreds any unarmored material or sapientsSounds like something that will be fun and unproblematic to clean up.
>>3256510> magnetsJust not battlefield practical
>>3256512Doesn't sound practical under any circumstances once you factor in things like wi d.
>>3256527Wi d? Wind?Dude, think how light the microfilaments would be. Although decomposing bio-filaments or temperature specific filaments might be good ideas.Or bullets with a small spool of tightly wound microfilaments designed to burst out once armor is penetrated might be a nice addition to the Reynard Rifles. Or monatomic dust to fuck with electronics and any moving parts. Clog filters, freeze joints.
Hey what about two layers of shielding, then injecting a thin layer of AM between them? It would be like an Explosive Reactive Shield.
>>3256583How do we get the AM between the shields? How do we drop the shields? Contoured shields maybe?IDK, what about AM disruptor torpedoes designed to overload shields and leave tasty salvage behind?Hey. How small and durable can we build sub-space engines? Could we launch SP torpedoes that have subspace generators inside them and then "wobble" in and out of subspace like what the Vieona did to hide? Double damage as it phases part of the ship out of space - and then back in, slightly moved. But at the speeds ships travel "slightly" could be catastrophic
>>3256632>How do we get the AM between the shields?Repulsors? >How do we drop the shields?Turn off the exterior layer and let it slowly dissipate?>AM torpedoesAlready been used and they leave very little salvage, as seen when the Run was invaded.
>>3256660But these would drag and disperse AM in a cloud against the shields, not penetrate and blow up the good gubbins in the ships.
Looks like a fortress type is going to be the way this is going. There does remain the question of what form of fortress? An asteroid type, or a conventional one.The engineers that helped build and expand Rioja's asteroid/moon bases have had plenty of time to gain experience. Many are from the Avoubic system and have grown up in such environments. Asteroid forts have the advantage of generally being cheaper and having plenty of natural armor. Much more than most stations would ever mount. Many are now constructed with additional layers of the newer concrete composites as protection. One downside is that these are not as easy to expand upon if more room is needed in the interior than was originally planned for. Another concern is their mass. If it becomes necessary to relocate or change their course it require much more powerful tugs and far more fuel. Then again if it's an AM facility fuel wouldn't be a major concern.RLS is capable of building reasonably powerful conventional stations. Being more modular they're easier to expand upon, and light enough for easier course corrections. Without having to worry about natural armor getting in the way they can also be equipped with more weapons than asteroid types. The cost is higher and the armor won't be a good but it's a trade off. Lyas Cinayk points out a potentially important issue. "If there's a containment failure more shields and stasis fields are a good thing but bulkier physical armor might not be. That will just provide more matter for escaped antimatter to interact with."Because of this the Commander of Rioja's fleet base suggests conventional construction. Admiral Tama doesn't disagree with her points, but feels asteroid types would be cheaper and easier to repair any damage they might take. "We can afford to have a few outer layers destroyed by an accident."[ ] Asteroid fortress[ ] Conventional fortress
>>3257392>[ ] Conventional fortress
>>3257392> [ ] Asteroid fortressOur goal is no major accidents, if it's hit the point that the amount or mass reacting with the AM is a problem, it's been irrevocably fucked up already.Besides, more space in the walls means more space for safety measures. Redundant shielding and such.
>>3257392What about a less conventional station design?>>3256578Yes, wind.>Dude, think how light the microfilaments would beThat's exactly the problem I was think about. Being mostly useful against unarmored targets and easily ending up far from the deployment area, it seems like an unreliable terror weapon at best. If you want to kill poorly equipped troops without destroying the infrastructure and care little about ethics, you can deploy nerve gas or something similar.
>>3257392Would it be viable to build some sort of 'mushroom' station, with a cap section of asteroid base housing the majority of the shield/defensive systems and the stem being an expandable compartmentalized conventional fortress? I feel like we've run into several such stations before, just not for anti-matter.
>>3257426I suppose so. It would then be more a question of what parts of the station would things go in to make sure they stayed safe. The answer tends to be a lot less straight forward when antimatter is involved.
>>3257417This is cheaper and quicker than trying to come up with nerve gas for the disparate client species.
>>3257435I'd personally imagined that the asteroid section would be your primary habitation areas, and mount the primary (planetary grade?) shield systems, where you could dig them in like chiggers. Possibly some traditional reactors for emergencies?All anti-matter systems would be in the 'stem' section, where it would be compartmentalized to explode for minimal damage in the event of damage/sabotage/accidents, and power from AM reactors would be routed into the asteroid section.Weapons would likely have to be spread out, unless you made the asteroid cap large enough to get coverage similar to Standard Corvettes?
>>3257417>What about a less conventional station design?Rioja is a bad place to build a Dyson Frame because of its more energetic star. Seriously, the habitable range is 10.25 AU from the star.Unless your idea was just to build a buckyball/fullerene shaped station? I wonder what advantages that might have? >>3255873>Why not make some kind of particle beam PD that uses anti-matter?>>3256509>Pretty much. If we can impart a charge to AM (which I imagine is necessary for containment) then we can also guide them with an ionized beam. The problem would be speed, but if we're making a fortress AM generator then we can just integrate a ginormous AM particle accelerator to cycle it through.Reminder: You can buy antimatter cannons, though they're a bit larger than would be ideal for point defense.Actually, did you guys purchase one for R&D? The House Che'len supers during the Kythera incident were mounting quadruple AM gun turrets in their siege weapon mounts. Ber'helum captured their production center at the end of the civil war iirc.
>>3257470>Unless your idea was just to build a buckyball/fullerene shaped station?It was.> I wonder what advantages that might have? It should provide a number a number of interesting options aside from regular defenses and safety measures. Depending on the tech actually available to the factions, you could use the frame for a huge stasis field, or an emergency teleporter that sends the interior to a designated sacrifical teleportation beacon as a last measure.
>>3257463Possible. As long as you're aware that some elements with the normal asteroid station would have to be kept outside the rock sections either way. >>3257499A station sized teleporter would be impractical at the very least. A huge stasis field while still expensive would certainly be possible. Hell, you might be able to use inward facing planetary shields to help contain any explosions if any AM was held in the interior. Building the thing would still make for some challenges though. [ ] Asteroid fortress[ ] Conventional fortress[ ] Mixed asteroid/conventional[ ] Fullerene station
>>3257543>A station sized teleporter would be impractical at the very least.I mostly suggested it because I remember something about emergency transporter capsules being being faraday cages and the structure kinda looked like it could function as one.>Building the thing would still make for some challenges though.You could use these planetary shield platforms as part of the defense in this setup. Turn them outwards to defend against attacks, turn them towards the AM generator to contain a catastrophic facility accident.
>>3257543>[ ] Conventional fortress
>>3257543>[x] Fullerene station
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>>3257708What thread would I find this Uller character in? Apparently I missed something big.
>>3257808Shows up in the second half of H&D: Eye of the Storm
>>3257708>6. Would you be willing to help sponsor Neeran refugee settlement inside the Dominion's borders post-war? >This could harm relations with Houses who lost worlds to the Empire.Could we lessen the negative impact to relations if we make sure to only accept people who are not connected to their government? It would mean more work when selecting applicants but might save use trouble later on. Gonna sleep on that survey anyway.
>>3257818Thanks!I have no rational way to explain why I thought that guy's name was Teller
>>3257543> [ ] Mixed asteroid/conventional> Building the thing would still make for some challenges though. So . . . . We would also get to try we construction practices and theories? I'm down.
>>3257822>Could we lessen the negative impact to relations if we make sure to only accept people who are not connected to their government?That's going to be tricky and require a lot of vetting. While potentially helpful there will be opposition either way.
>>3257708Which house was pressuring us with a trade war again? Former ruling house, right?I think we should exclude 3 and allow 4, to start with, picking our allies from the civil war and citing security concerns regarding the rest. At least initially, if they were willing to become partners in the construction financially we could renegotiate their rights to operate their own stuff there.But I feel we should either only make an exception for the RH or do a 4/3 split so that we have sufficient backing to not get pressured about letting others be involved.
>>3257708Could we possibly store AM in stasis equipment shifted into subspace, so that it can't be hit by the Veckron beam the Terrans have?Fucking dicks.
>>3257947>store AM >in subspaceThat's a big kaboom. Stasis can only do so much, as evidence by the V-beams making the stations and AM filled supers explode a few seconds/minutes after impact in the Nanite crisis.
>>3258218In STASIS in subspace. Or generate a stable subspace pocket that doesn't move, same as how ships carrying AM can travel in subspace.
I wonder what Sonia's PTSD score is these days. Or did I miss where we got help for that?And our ground-pounder kill count must be impressive by everyone's standards
>>3257838Thanks. I voted yes but that's mostly dependent on if the FA has come up with a way to detect Neeran mental manipulation at that point. We can't have people worried that these guys can brainwash others without a readily available way to prove or disprove these claims.
>>3257708>>3258884I'm worried about this as well, I voted yes but I think we'll need to look at it more closely later on? Last thing we want is for the Neeran to slowly rise to prominence in any faction via mind trickery.
Politically it seems you'll be lending support mostly to the Progressive Reformers though the Conservators certainly wont be ignored. All out of the public eye of course. You can't be seen taking sides with any one group right now, especially given the turbulent nature of the House at present. You've suggested the Count press the Terrans for compensation in the form of Tax breaks for DHI expansion into Terran space. A few high tech production licenses would be noce too. What you'd really like is for the Terrans to free Versa provided she'd be up for it. 35 million has been put down to restart production of power cell armor for Neeran. To improve the armor you've sent a message to Uller offering a ship in return for his input on suit improvements. Hopefully he gets back to you soon.There remains some debate as to what station type will be used for the antimatter facility. It's shaping up into a 3 way race between the Conventional, Mixed and Fullerene types. Whoever voted for asteroid type you might as well change your vote to break the tie.While this is still being decided RSS is on the lookout for AM tech from the faction wars and the Governor has authorized purchase of solar power collector test units.Rather predictably Houses Nasidum and Xygen will not be permitted to station their own tugs at the Rioja fueling base. They'll have to rely on J-D or Royal Logistics Corps tugs and tankers.Roll 5d100 for specialized salvage.
Rolled 83, 73, 39, 95, 16 = 306 (5d100)>>3260375Specialized salvage?Oh boy I hope its an Excalibur that survived intact despite the loss of all crew and had lots of SP torpsOr V-torps
Rolled 86, 83, 75, 54, 85 = 383 (5d100)>>3260375Do my eyes deceive me a dice roll? For salvage of all things? Well then!
>>3260391>Specialized salvage?Antimatter production equipment.
Rolled 72, 2, 75, 100, 19 = 268 (5d100)>>3260375It's been so long since we had a salvage roll.I just hope the Reynard luck holds true here.
Rolled 90, 80, 88, 96, 29 = 383 (5d100)>>3260375
In South Reach the Crate salvage team continues to haul back as much as they can from each site they hit. Shattered wrecks from multiple super heavies have been dumped at Surakeh where crews are checking them over. At the 4th major site Linda is able to safely plot a jump to, the salvage team finds what you're after. A fully intact antimatter production plant is packed aboard one of the crippled Supers. Likely to be deployed with other modules into a dedicated station once they found a good location. Shortly after completing their report communications with the Crate go down. RSS believes they're being jammed and begins readying an RTS response team. Did you want to have Daska or other allies send ships to investigate?
>>3260599Ask Daska to take a look and see if the Crate and its crew need assistance. I assume this will mean we owe her a favor.
>>3260599Inform Daska and request forces be sent to investigate. It seems fair to say there may be a strategic asset in play for this one, along with J-D civilians at risk.Unless there are closer allies, I don't see a reason to ask anyone but Daska.
>>3260599See if Daska can spare a patrol of Assault Corvettes?
>>3260599A strategic asset to the House is under direct threat. Launch Fighters.Part of me hope it is the Terrans so we can catch them in the act and bully them even more.
Daska is soon informed that contact has been lost with the ship while salvaging a super heavy wreck. That isn't just important to you but to the House as well. It's going to take time to reach the salvage site from House territory. Longer than you're comfortable with. If they were ambushed a fight could be over long before the reinforcements arrive. At least they'll be in a good position to pursue or intercept anyone leaving the site. The fleets have just passed the half way point when communications are restored. A high priority call is incoming for you personally. Linda asks the coms officer to move then takes their place. "Sonia we found a ship that still had Kavarian clone troops aboard. I guess they'd help strip it of FTL systems to repair another ship that left to get help. Then they waited in stasis for their relief to show up but it never did. The Captain and Beryl from the escort force talked them down from trying to capture or destroy the Crate. We offered to trade them safe passage to the Kavarian Protectorate in return for the antimatter plant. We just need your confirmation."[ ] Agree[ ] Agree but use House ships for transport[ ] Make a new deal[ ] The Union is gone, treat them like terrorists, do not negotiate
Gone to work! Going to see Alita either tonight or tomorrow night so probably wont be running one of those.
>>3261323>Faction Wars Era Kavarian clones, transport to Kavarian Protectorate.So long as they leave behind everything else. Sure I don't see why not. The Faction Wars are over with. Give the Protectorate a call before hand to expect some new members who have been in stasis since the Faction Wars and are seeking a new life.So yeah, agree and let them know it will take a minute to get in touch with the Protectorate and have someone ready to take them in and to debrief and bring them up to date.
>>3261323>[ ] Agree but use House ships for transport
>>3261323> [ ] Agree but use House ships for transport> [ ] Make a new dealAlternatively, how would they like to work with us getting salvage for a while, and return with a bunch of money instead of dispossessed soldiers with no place in society except to get thrown back into a meat grinder of a war.Just saying, they have knowledge and expertise we're looking for right now, we could handsomely reward them if they can find us some more salvage - they might find other lost comrades even.
>>3261542I like this idea. It would also provide an opportunity to observe them for a while to see if sending them back to the Protectorate is a safe option.
>>3261542I approve of this. If they decline we can just give them a choice between the Protectorate or the Imperium depending on which they like the most.Should also consider putting better firepower on our salvage Heavies so we wont need to panic anytime anything like this happens.Also imagine the backpay these guys have!
>>3261323I think the important question here is what are we legally obligated to do?iirc, the few Union clones we previously found had to be turned over to the Union as war criminals, but that was long before the Watchers/Protectorate. And was there some sort of short life or degeneration with Kavarian FW clones? If so can that be treated?>>3261542I like this, and fourth it.Depending upon their skillsets/rank, we should look at other payable duties, as well:Burial Detail - let some of the willing collect and send off any of their fellows still trapped in the wrecksQuartermaster - inventory their equipment, possibly collect any personal effects still present on wrecksLiaison - official 'leader', or point-of-contact RTS Temp - work for BerylMedical Liaison - earn pay overseeing care to the clones with medical needs If possible, also give them the option to return to stasis until we get them to say Surekah or Daska's world? Any that return to stasis are a mitigated risk, and we could offer them a lump sum incentive while others are out and about.>>3261574iirc, those 3 or 4 Terrans we found during our big push had enough backpay to buy one of our frigates or a corvette. Not sure if anyone would honor Union backpay to fW clones, though.
>>3261542Honestly I'm a little disappointed nobody on The Crate made them this offer already.Labour resources are just as valid and valuable salvage as anything else.
>>3261323Can actually RTS guarantee safe passage to the Protectorate? Anyway, I'm okay with the deal and would decide between RTS and House ships purely on what's more likely to get them there safely.Offering them a job is fine too, though. Reliable personnel is always hard to find and having somebody who knows how to set up and operate that AM facility will probably help a lot.>[x] Agree (variant)>[x] Make a new deal
>>3261852>safe passageI'd imagine that Sonia has the ability to declare the civilian vessels in question 'hired' as part of a diplomatic mission for the House, giving them diplomatic status. And some junior diplomats, officers and perhaps a knight a chance to pad their resume.
>>3261323New Carrier name, "The Sandbox"
>>3261323>>3261542Fifthing New Deal.Capitalism Quest carries on!
>>3262640Shit, we're page 10 already?!>>3261542>how would they like to work with us getting salvage for a while>they might find other lost comrades evenUnfortunately they'll need to go through debriefings with either of the Kavarian governments before that can happen. You can still make the offer but legally the company is supposed to report recovered personnel to their respective government/military.The Protectorate is the preferable of the two from their standpoint. Unless your intention is to just not report those who decide to sign on.
>>3263017We should handle things by the rules. I'd hate for them to lose their benefits for the time in stasis or miss important treatments for their clone issues.
>>3261598>And was there some sort of short life or degeneration with Kavarian FW clones? If so can that be treated?The Protectorate has more experience with this. Pic unrelated.
>>3261852>Can actually RTS guarantee safe passage to the Protectorate?Yes. RLS has high speed transports that occasionally make runs there. The Watchers have certain trade restrictions so its not often. Maybe once a month.
House ships will be used to transport the surviving personnel to the South Reach border nav station for transfer to the Kavarian Protectorate. Job offers will be made. If the debriefings are carried out on the station and they decide to accept the job offer they may just stay in South Reach and skip a long trip.Or dont report them and offer to help them stay off the grid. Aside from RSS job offers you do have connections with members of the South Reach League. They're always looking for crews for their Super Heavies. A few Warlords may have the medical knowledge to help them and might owe you a favour as a result of the crew find.[ ] I am the Law[ ] The riskier the road, the greater the profit
>>3263184>[x] I am the lawWe've always tried to keep the Reynard companies within the law, I see no reason to stop.
>>3263184>[ ] I am the LawI am pretty sure they don't want to work for pirates? Even former pirates?Lets just hand them over to the Protectorate. Earn some brownie points with them we can use towards a favor or something.
>>3263184[x] I am the LawNever risk RSS getting in trouble.
The ship's sent by Daska arrive at the wreck site and take custody of the several thousand clone troops. The Kavarian Protectorate is informed and soon have a ship on the way to the cluster. RSS sends along a few people to conduct job interviews once the debriefings are completed. Meanwhile the salvage teams get to work recovering the all important Antimatter production plant. It's eventually loaded onto one of the company Kilo class ships along with other gear bound for the Forbearance Yard. When it arrives in Rioja engineers are quick to give it a full looking over. Aside for some minor outdated systems the production plant is in near perfect condition. Despite being much bulkier it's more efficient than the Aries facilities. Combined with the solar power test units antimatter production can begin immediately. As always its the storage that's the issue. That's being worked out as spare fuel tanks are brought in from the shipyard.As for the station it's looking like the Fullerene type will be built. Engineers are figuring out the best placement of production, storage and shielding necessary. That will then determine the necessary scale. They're hoping construction can begin before the end of the year. Refueling crews can make use of that time practicing operations with Dominion Supers passing through. Their input might also make for more design changes.Uller eventually gets back to you with a few suggestions for a possible ship. A newer escort carrier or assault transport customized for Neeran crew is probably the cheapest of the lot. It would also be fast enough to avoid most unpleasant situations.The next idea is to take the base frame and engines from a Gungnir and attach the main turrets and interior spaces from salvaged Empire battleships. It would be a bit rough and take specialised work but it can certainly done. Last of the custom builds is a refit of a South Reach Fast Battleship. In addition to interior changes it would replace some of the heavy phase cannons and heavy torpedo launchers with LD or Phased plasma cannon turrets. This would be the most expensive of the lot, though you may be able to reuse or sell the design data.While that's all of the custom ideas that doesn't mean Uller is entirely out of other suggestions. You could probably acquire a Light Neeran attack cruiser via Baldr, though that might result in you owing them a favour. This would easily be the fastest option. Uller being less experienced with ship command is uncertain what would be most useful.[ ] Escort Carrier[ ] Gungnir / Grendel[ ] SR Battleship[ ] Neeran Attack Cruiser
>>3263360>[ ] Escort Carrier
>>3263360> [ ] SR BattleshipIt's going to be a small market to the elite anyways. Might as well go high-end.
>>3263360[x] Escort CarrierSame logic as that one Ceres guy that would only deal with Sonia all those years ago. Don't give someone lacking ship command experience a ship that has to get up into enemy formations in order to function.
>>3263360Does the Dominion, no, does any Faction except maybe the Kavarians have the capability to build such a mega structure? Building a cage around a star seems like a very big step towards a dyson sphere. If I am assuming from that image that anon posted is what the station will look like.
>>3263360>[ ] SR Battleship
>>3263447Think about it this way, it's more advertising than anything else for future valuable Neeran ship contracts.
>>3263543>Building a cage around a starThe anon who suggested it already said we're not building a dyson frame. You're building a buckyball the size of a large-ish station. See:>>3257470>>3257499>Unless your idea was just to build a buckyball/fullerene shaped station?>It was.
Reports have started to come in from the front.. Heavy fighting is common place but the fleets continue to struggle through it. Overall it isn't as bad as Crystal Sea. Neither side are using teleport jamming extensively, unwilling to sacrifice pilots and crews for little gain. Forbearance has taken some hits but nothing that can't be repaired. One of her siege cannon turrets were destroyed and the bow wrecked. It should be fully operational within the month. Alliance mobile repair facilities are making a big difference. Speaking of which the vessel being built in the Run is nearing completion. Engines and FTL have been tested and final system fitting is underway. Once everything is operational they'll begin a shakedown and training cruise. Already the Alliance has stepped up recruitment efforts to finish crewing the vessel.In addition to onboard repair docks it's designed with extensive promenade and recreational areas to allow permanent habitation. Clearly they're planning ahead for possible peace time uses as well. "We already see them testing the onboard production lines." "What else are they building?" you ask.Vanderwal pages through notes. "Assault Corvettes, Destroyers and Medium escorts.""That's a good variety." Tama admits. Governor Dlam'ard is less pleased. "That is competition with the Run's shipyards. They were only supposed to provide training for their factory ship crews and construct the mobile fleet base. Them mass producing their own fleet here in the Run was never part of the agreement."Fadila brings up some numbers."They have more available resources than they had originally planned for due to material supply contracts with the Run Alliance. We made them take finished materials from local producers in the Run.">What say?
>>3263360Is it be possible to put one of the less advanced cloaks we use on our battleships on Uller's SR battleship modification? I would imagine not drawing a crowd would be one of his priorities when travelling.>>3263867As long as the produce strictly for FA use and pay their taxes, I see little reason to complain.
>>3263867So long as those ships are being crewed by FA personnel and being used solely for the FA and are not being sold into the wider market while the mobile yard is in the Run. I am also not to terribly concerned. Though we could write a formal complaint to the FA rep or top person in the region that if they start selling their ships in the region to expect stiff resistance and competition. Since the agreement never covered them selling ships here in the Run.
Have another post ready to go as soon as I get back from work. Provided the thread is still here.>>3263878>CloakYes>taxesThat's the thing, they paid for salvage rights and asked for rights to build the ship there. There aren't any real taxes being paid aside from those.What they're building is exclusively for the Alliance though.Uller's Ship (Since we're still tied)https://www.strawpoll.me/17434146
>>3263867I'm sure we can weather a few months of lowered profits? What kind of surplus of materials do they have?We could do some good old-fashioned market arbitrage and buy their excess now, whilst cheap, then when they run out of resources sell it back to them a little more expensively?We could even ask if they're willing to fabricate modules/components for the AM station.
>>3263886>>That's the thing, they paid for salvage rights and asked for rights to build the ship there.My opinion is they should have to buy a license for their production facility if they're building additional starships. We can't have every person who feels like it producing interstellar warships in our territory without at least some government oversight.
>>3263867This kind of sounds like they've exceeded the terms of their contract, especially if they are building more things than required for a proper shakedown.If they are now doing flights, squadrons or wings of vessels, we should gather the Run Alliance and approach the FA as a whole about their operation of a production facility within our space.It would appear that they have begun to operate beyond the scope of our agreement, possibly to the detriment of the local industries.Ensure that our material supply contracts are either making a killing, and/or approach the FA for compensation for a contract modification to get something from their production facility in the Run, such as taxes or compensation for shipyards.I guess they won't need to hold territory to go full ComStar after the war, now?We also now need to obtain information on the production values of this ship, and assume it and others like it will undermine our sales to the FA.
>>3263886>they paid for mining rights and asked for rights to build the ship there.Dunno why my brain replaced mining with salvage.
>>3265034Years of writing Sonia.After all, mining is just rocky salvage
>>3264096>We also now need to obtain information on the production values of this shiphttps://houseanddominion.fandom.com/wiki/Torrent_Class>>3263971>What kind of surplus of materials do they have?The exact same kind that the Run Alliance is selling to them in similar quantities. Various starship grade tritanium alloys in addition to fuel.>>3263975>they should have to buy a license for their production facility if they're building additional starshipsThey did from the relevant parties. None of which happen to be from the Run Alliance unfortunately.>We can't have every person who feels like it producing interstellar warships in our territory without at least some government oversight.This is a good point though.>>3264096>It would appear that they have begun to operate beyond the scope of our agreement, possibly to the detriment of the local industries.>gather the Run Alliance and approach the FA as a whole about their operation of a production facility within our space.Once you've contacted the remaining Barons not off fighting in the war it takes very little time to rally them. The other Houses likewise send representitives and soon enough you're talking to Alliance diplomats and the Rear Admiral placed in charge of the mobile base.The Admiral is quick to apologise and explains that any secondary ship construction carried out by the nearly completed Torrent class is intended for testing purposes. "The Corvettes, destroyers and Medium Cruisers being built would be used exclusively for escort and defense of this mobile base. There are still enemy raiding units present in Relays closer to the front. Which is why we wanted to build it here. We want to be certain it will have come protection on the way to front line staging areas.""How many escorts do you intend to build?" asks Binil. "4 wings of assault corvettes, 36 destroyers and 6 medium cruisers." 288 assault corvettes are worth a lot of money. Money the shipyards in the Run aren't getting."What can we do to make this right?" The Admiral asks.[ ] Taxes on all ships built by the mobile base[ ] Materials payments on the ships built[ ] Charge equivalent production license costs due to contract violation
Fuck! I have to step out. We didnt even get to fleet assembly this thread!
>>3265139I don't think this was done with malicious intent, so I would go with the least costly option for them.>>3265144Was Alita worth seeing?
>>3265139Agreeing with >>3265167>I don't think this was done with malicious intent, so I would go with the least costly option for them.Expected a more bureaucratic response from them, pleasantly surprised.
>>3265139>quick to apologizeWe should probably bring this incident to the Ruling House's attention, even if there is no malicious intent, and request a Faction Alliance review of the incident.This feels like it may have Kavarian Union 2.0 implications.[x]Charge equivalent production license costs due to contract violation[x]Taxes on all ships built by the mobile baseEven with good intentions, we can not allow a precedent where the Faction Alliance uses a mobile shipyard to build an entire fleet in any Faction space without first getting permission from the local Faction.Hit them reasonably hard to set a legal precedent that this is NOT acceptable.
>>3265139> [ ] Charge equivalent production license costs due to contract violationNo way they didn't know they were pulling some fuckery here.
>>3265205>>3265139Also who the hell do the expect to have to defend against with that many ships?
>>3265139>[ ] Taxes on all ships built by the mobile base>[ ] Materials payments on the ships builtThey had to have known when the next wave of support from the Dominion was heading out. If they are so concerned with Neeran Raiders at the front. They could have slowed production to coincide with the next Dominion deployment of military vessels. But no, someone in the FA, most likely a Terran, saw this as an opportunity to project their power in the Dominion and abuse our good faith.I was all for having this Torrents built in the Run. I figured it would have been an awesome addition to the fleet when we deployed. Escort the biggest god damned ship ever built since the last Factions Wars. And turn it over to the forces at the front to give them something to signal that they did their part and can head home. But this is clearly a betrayal or misuse of trust placed in the Factions Alliance. Whoever approved of this action, had done a great disservice to the Factions Alliance and has given everyone who was against the Torrents class being built. The some really good god damn ammo. “Let the Factions Alliance build a Torrents in your back yard and they’ll build a fleet right under your nose. Without even thinking to ask. How can we trust them when they have shown they are willing to do so in the Run?”First it was the Terrans spying on J-D during an intense political moment.Now it is the Factions Alliance taking advantage of trust given by members of the Dominion.It is starting to feel like everyone has it out for the Dominion. The Terrans spying on J-D is something expected and controllable. But having the Factions Alliance, a joint initiative of all the Factions working together, abuse the trust of one of the members of that Alliance. To build a fleet inside that members backyard, without even giving a word of warning or compensation. Feels dirty and is just a betrayal of trust and wanting to work together.I hope this endeavor was worth it for whoever approved of it. I won’t be approving of any more FA initiatives in Dominion space after this BS. Not until they do something to make up for this misuse of trust.Like say, assisting the Dominion in building Diamond Mines once we know we got the right tech. And making sure that the Terran’s don’t interfere with said research.
>>3265167The majority of it was good imo. Last 10-15 minutes felt weak.>>3265210>who the hell do the expect to have to defend against with that many ships?For a ship that size? A very weak raiding force. The 2 main bays on the Torrent could fit 4 Alliance Capital Carriers and still have room for additional ships. It wouldn't be out of the question for a vessel this size to field a force of more than 3,000 warships without additional support.>>3265399You have a question before anything else."With the Alliance's knowledge of fleet deployment schedules why not time the completion of the mobile base to coincide with the next wave? Then you could have entire fleets as escort to the front.""Because we're not waiting for the next wave. If anything we were hoping to complete it in time to accompany the reserve units of the first wave. We're now behind schedule for our best case deployment timetable. I'm hoping we'll be ready within 3 months.I've been informed that repair platforms are badly needed at the front. If we delay that means less time for repairs to Capital Ships, and that will cost lives. All primary systems need to be ready before we depart, not patched together after we arrive at the front. That includes the foundries and production slipways."
>>3265437So their response to this was to build more ships instead of asking for an escort?Seems inefficient at best.
>>3265399Yeah, that about sums up my feelings on the matter as well.And that is precisely why I want to kick it up to the Royal House and a Faction Alliance review board.>>3265437>FA responseSo are they stepping up recruitment efforts to crew the Torrent, or the escort fleet?>this was done purposely and they didn't contact the localsI mean, I like that he just gave us more ammo to demand FA concessions and that he has good intentions, but I'm also terrified that we made a terrible mistake selling this thing to the FA.
>>3265437I agree with >>3265444 They could have asked for an escort.If they wanted to build one or two runs of each craft to test the foundries and production capabilities, I would completely understand. But they've built up their own fleet in our backyard without telling anyone. If it hadn't been brought to our attention we would be wondering where the hell the Torrents managed to get a fleet of several hundred when it was only just the Torrents and its construction and defense fleet initially. Also, I get a feeling, no matter how much we charge the FA it won't be a real windfall for anyone. Except maybe the larger houses.We should do like >>3265472 suggested and kick it over to the RH, let them deal with it and get something that will benefit the Dominion as a whole. Instead of pennies for damaged/ lost trust.
>>3265472>So are they stepping up recruitment efforts to crew the Torrent, or the escort fleet?The Torrent. Regular training bases already provide enough warship crews. At any rate the Run Alliance insists on chaging the equivalent production license costs for the various escorts that are being built. If even 1 more ship is built than what the Alliance claims they intend all of them will end up being taxed.The Ruling House is also informed of this incident and request the Factions Alliance review this event to make sure it doesn't happen again. The Houses of the Dominion are not going to be trampled on by the other factions or even groups the Dominion may formally be a part of. You'll be watching, and you wont be the only one.
With the upcoming campaign the issue of Mercenaries is brought up. Some extra firepower on top of what you and the Ruling House will provide could be a big help.While many merc groups are currently on deployment their agents are hard at work trying to set up contracts for next year. For logistics reasons most of the Faction fleets are staying at the front until objectives are completed or they absolutely need to rotated out. The Mercs however are operating on shorter contracts allowing them time to rebuild between invasion waves.Mezan is obviously the first to come to mind. That Shallan medium of hers packs serious firepower and you know the rest are well equipped. The same goes for the Shallan mercenaries welcomed by House Medel. They'd probably be more than happy to fight in return for more ships, weapons or funding.Mercenary units based in the Run have been rebuilding for some time. Most of them are focused on ground combat or boarding actions, having bought former Neeran transports you sold. The Knights of the Dominion aren't really mercenaries but it could easily be argued that the target you're going after could be important to the Dominion. They'd certainly appreciate funding or other support if it came with an invite.Your contacts in the PCCG inform you that they should have a Fast Super completed in time for your expedition. It's a type made out of modular station sections but with additional tweaks potentially giving it superior maneuverability. For a Super that is. Weapons compliment should be similar to Forbearance.Also available are units of Ace pilots that lack ships. A number have done contracts with the Alliance or others where their employer will provide assault corvettes. Enough personnel to crew a few squadrons are available. Former Aries Mercs that left the corporation's employment during the Dominion's civil war are on the lookout for jobs. Most hope to take contracts that provide the latest House Aries upgrades or replacement Dominion equipment. You've worked with such groups in the past. From South Reach Şivan Berwari has access to super heavy cruisers, but they're slower than your own meaning they wouldn't be able to keep pace. He also has faster units including Medium Cruisers. Bernard Foss is in much the same boat. Any Supers available to him or his boss are much too slow but they're not lacking in firepower.Lastly you could request additional ships from the Alliance for the campaign, though that will mean giving them a bigger cut of whatever you find. You're already going to owe them a chunk of salvage rights to pay for their SP Torpedoes you'll be armed with.Any other types of Mercenary groups out there you'd consider hiring? I'll add them to the Merc hiring survey.
>>3265553>Mezan>Berwari>FossReach out to them and lets see what their rates are after their latest deployment. See if we can get bonuses or better rates than other choices out there.
>>3265553Do the watchers offer recon ships? Or Krath mercs?
>>3265590>Do the watchers offer recon ships? No, they're staying out of this. Besides your Nocturn is much better in that regard.>Or Krath mercs?Yes, good idea.
While compiling lists of available mercenary units Fadila calls your attention to a news feed."-oday as sources tell us the mastermind responsible for the assassination of Count Jerik three months ago has been killed. While their identity has not yet been confirmed by the government we do know who brought the Count's murderer to justice. Knight Lt Felix Ekwueme, with help from House Intelligence was able to track them down after a weeks long pursuit. So far details remain scarce about the entire affair and those involved in the operation have refused comment. Knight Ekwueme was sighted earlier today being ushered into the J-D Palace grounds. The Egalitarian Coalition has issued a statement praising the Knight for finally ending a period of great uncertainty for the House."
>>3265692... why do I suspect that Ekwueme was secretly part of the EC and just killed his uncle to hide evidence that the EC purposely murdered the Count?
I had a lot of pre-written material planned out involving the assassin. Predictably none of it ended up being used.
>>3263886>strawpoll resultsApparently we're going with the SR Battleship for Uller.Not sure when the next thread will be. I'll probably put up a survey between games on Sunday once I work out some of the economy stuff and the costs of hiring mercs.
>>3265692I still believe Caius is aware or even involved in this.