You are Alberich, unsuccessful familiar to a magus. Two weeks ago you were an ordinary student. Since then you've been transformed into a superhuman fighter, reliant on a steady supply of mystic energy to survive.12 days ago, you woke up in a collapsing parking garage in the middle of a burning city. You later learned that you were one of 1,050 people who'd been summoned and reduced to 7 chosen fighters dubbed Masters. These Masters were compelled to make contracts with powerful spirits of past heroes known as Servants, and with the aid of their Servants to battle until only one remained. This final survivor would win a single wish from the omnipotent Holy Grail, in the battle known as the Holy Grail War.In the course of the War, you learned a variety of new things. That Magic is real, for example, and that there is a global association of magi dedicated to its research, study, and to keeping magic a secret. That at one time, thousands of years ago, the gods of paganism walked the earth, and most ancient myths are at least partially true. How to properly sucker-punch a man. This last lesson proved particularly useful.In the end, after taking victory in the War, you discovered that the entire thing was a farce, a front, a con. It was a ruse designed to collect 1,050 willing sacrifices to kill each other. In fact, the administrator of your Holy Grail War was a participant in a separate, real Holy Grail War, and had planned this mass sacrifice to collect enough magical energy to ensure his victory in that war. You, however, with a few other survivors, were able to kill him and dispel the magic keeping you prisoner in the world of the Grail War, a private dimension entitled the Akeldama.Unfortunately for you, escaping from the Akeldama carries with it a particular responsibility. The orchestrator of the Akeldama Grail War was a Servant, the spirit of Judas Iscariot, bound to the service of one Jean-Pierre Vaisset. Now you, having killed him and absorbed the energy harvested by the Akeldama, you've taken on the superhuman powers and bound nature of a Servant. It is the magic energy supplied to you by your Master which keeps you alive, and he holds three command spells, absolute orders which can compel you to take any one action. In the days since you became a Servant, you've set about beginning your fight to survive and take the Holy Grail. You've also had a disastrous first battle and seen your Master killed by a very different Master of Saber. With your contract now shifted to Vaisset's younger sister, your future looks more uncertain than ever...Previous thread: >>3525359Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
"Vaisset is..." you stop to correct yourself. Calling him by his last name in this circumstance feels somehow wrong. "Your brother is gone. I'm sorry, Miss Ayaka." Without knowing the two siblings better, there's nothing more you can say to lessen the emotional impact.Before your eyes, Ayaka's expression collapses as her fear turns to despair. She drops her gaze, hanging her head in sorrow. "S-so that's really it," she says in a weak voice. "I th-thought it might be, but..." The girl trails off, and large teardrops well up in her eyes, before spilling out and running down her cheeks in silent weeping. You step closer, putting a hand on the girl's quaking shoulder. She flinches away at the touch of steel, and you realize you're still armored. You let your armaments fade into energy, and reach out again to offer comfort. She seems to unconsciously lean into your hand, seeking the warmth of human contact even while her mind is dominated by loss.The two of you remain still for a while, until Ayaka's tears begin to slacken off. When her composure has finally returned somewhat, she pulls away and gives you a resentful, hurt glare. "You were supposed to protect us," she whispers. "Why did you let this happen?""I am truly sorry, Miss Ayaka," you reiterate. "I couldn't save him. When we encountered an enemy Master and Servant tonight, your brother ordered that we each face our own foe, and trust in one another's victory. He battled against the enemy Master, and I dueled with the Servant. We were separated in the fighting, and when I was able to return to his side... things had come to an end."Something in your words spurs Ayaka to a renewed bout of crying, breaking off eye contact to weep once more. "You said," she moans between sobs. "Nii-san, you said you wouldn't be like Dad..."Dissatisfied with simply watching the girl cry, you begin, "Miss Ayaka, is there anything..."She cuts you off, snapping her reply with fury in her eyes. "No! Saber-san, just leave me alone!" Then her tone softens as she continues, "We'll talk in the morning or something, I don't know. Just leave me be now, okay?""As you wish," you say with a bow, and exit. Outside Ayaka's room, you can still faintly hear the sound of her sobbing. For a while you only stand in place, trying to think of what to do in the wake of this crushing night. Eventually it comes to you that Vaisset's security measures will likely have been destroyed by his death, and you decide to take up your post of the previous night, overlooking the front yard from the second-floor hallway. Sure enough, the bounded fields you had been able to detect outside have vanished, and the light in the surveillance crystals has faded. You're the manor's only defense now.
Easing into a chair by the window, you consider everything that's happened this evening. That other Saber, the girl-knight, was a fearsome opponent; possibly more dangerous than any of the Servants summoned in Judas' Akeldama Grail War, and certainly capable of killing you. A shiver runs down the nape of your neck as you recall the moment when she was stopped by Harris' telepathic order. If she had struck, you wouldn't have been able to escape. That blade would surely have pierced your throat. Then there's Harris himself. Vaisset described him as an apparently terrifying figure: an enforcer for the Mages' Association, and a "magus killer," who uses unspeakably brutal methods. That brutality was certainly put on display in his execution of your ex-Master, but you find yourself wondering just what his methods could have been. He seemingly had no weapons on his person, given the tight fit of his clothing, and although it's true that you were focused on your battle with the enemy Saber you can't help thinking you should have noticed if Harris had used some spectacular display of magical might against Vaisset. Could he have augmented his body with mystic energy, the way Circe had once suggested trying with you? Your mind runs in circles with no answer. Perhaps Harris was using the same energy bursts as the enemy Saber to empower himself. Perhaps he had some potent biological magecraft that destroyed Vaisset from within. Then again, perhaps he simply carried some kind of concealed explosive.Finally you give up on the conundrum of Harris' mode of attack and shift your thoughts back to your own foe. Clad in royal blue and shining steel, striking with overwhelming force and a hidden weapon, she seemed like an invincible opponent. You were unable to even strike at her, constantly fighting for your survival; an honest battle of the sword will be useless in defeating her, most likely. You resolve to use any underhanded method necessary to secure your victory upon your next encounter, and fortunately one comes to mind. There was something about your cloak that put her off, made her call it a shadow. She seemed frightened of it and filled with animosity towards it simultaneously. As you picture her expression in your memory, you see her eyes, focusing on it with such intensity that one might have surmised it was wearing you, rather than the reverse. Perhaps, then, using that mental vulnerability to your cloak could be the key to victory. Losing control of one's emotions in battle can be fatal, after all. It isn't as if Kenótis' primary ability is mental disturbance, either. You could potentially wield it like a net, entangling the enemy Saber before activating its power and dismembering her. You chuckle to yourself, imagining that cold, arrogant woman screaming as the mutable portal severs her limbs, her body coming to pieces and collapsing into a pool of gore with no chance of retaliation.
But it's not wise to let your fantasies run away with you. With an effort of will, you dispel the pleasing vision and return your focus to the yard, watching vigilantly for any enemies. Saber may think you dead, but it's possible Rider's master could have learned of your home's location somehow, and of course there are four other unknown Servants to consider. The night passes slowly as you watch the road, with no movement violating the sanctity of the Shijou land. After an hour, or perhaps several, of keeping yourself focused on the stillness ahead of you, you find that you can no longer keep your mind from wandering.The subject of the Shijou land is another thing again to consider. Vaisset had been the Mages' Association representative in charge of administrating the local magi, the Second Owner of this area. With his death the duty will pass to Ayaka, but is the trembling girl sobbing in her bed capable of carrying out such a duty at the same time as she battles in a Holy Grail War? The prospect frankly worries you. What if a general power struggle should ensue on top of the existing battle for the Holy Grail? Though you've heard a fair amount now about Magus society from first Edelfelt and later Vaisset, you're still uncertain whether the local magi would likely be inclined to such a revolt.Then there is the matter of Ayaka's mental constitution with regards to the Holy Grail War. From her earlier words, it would seem that the girl's father also died in an incident of magical violence. With both father and brother perishing in such circumstances, will she be able to face the dangers of the coming battle? If not, perhaps it would be better to cut ties with her and seek a new Master through the War's overseer, the priest she'd mentioned: Antaglio. On the other hand, there is the chance that the death of her brother might motivate the girl to seek revenge. In that case, she would make a fine Master for the aggressive prosecution of the War.As you turn the various aspects of your situation over in your mind, the first rays of sunlight at last begin touching the garden below. The disastrous night has ended with no further disturbances, and the sun rises on Saturday, November 16. Despite the weekend, it isn't long before you hear the raucous sound of an alarm clock from Ayaka's room. Even without school, it seems, the girl prefers to rise early. You decide to wait for her at the kitchen table, where the two of you shared breakfast yesterday. If she's in the mood to talk, she can come to you at her convenience. Otherwise, you don't intend to intrude.
Your concern that she might remain secluded in her bedroom is soon proven groundless, however, as you hear her first showering and then descending to the house's ground floor. When she enters the kitchen, in a casual skirt and cardigan only slightly different from her uniform, she gives you a complicated expression. "Tired and determined" might be a good way to describe it, you consider, or perhaps simply "resigned." Either way, it's a curious mixture of determined energy and depressive burnout. "Good morning, Saber-san," she says tonelessly. "Would you like some eggs?""Certainly, thank you," you reply, "but if it would be pushing yourself, there's no need."Ayaka shakes her head. "No, I'll be making them for myself anyway. It's no trouble."As the girl gets out a pan and starts getting ready to fry several eggs, you sit uncertainly, letting things fade into an awkward silence. You hadn't expected her to begin the discussion with food, and find yourself strangely unable to think of how to shift the topic to the War without being insensitive. She's obviously in an unstable emotional state, after all, so the matter warrants some consideration.Fortunately, Ayaka saves you the trouble. With her back to you, looking down at the frying eggs, she starts to speak. "I did a lot of thinking last night, you know," she says in the same toneless, soft voice, very unlike the emotional dynamism you've observed from her since your summoning. "At first I just cried, of course. You saw that. But a little while after that, I guess it faded out. The sadness, I mean. It was the same way with my parents. I was as hurt as you'd expect a child to be when it happened, but pretty soon their deaths stopped moving me. I remember Nii-san would keep breaking down when they came up in conversation for months after it happened, and even after that for years he'd suddenly go into a grief again thinking of them. It wasn't like that for me. All the grief drained out in the first round of crying, and it seems like it's the same with losing him. I guess that means I have a pretty terrible personality, huh?""Of course not, Miss Ayaka," you say reassuringly. "Your feelings about loss do not define you. I have lost two people very dear to me in my life, and didn't shed a tear afterwards. For some people grief is a subtle thing, but that subtlety does not make you an unfeeling person.""Thank you, Saber-san," Ayaka replies. "You're very kind. But anyway, I was saying that I spent a lot of time thinking last night, about the future. I don't think I have any choice but to participate in the Holy Grail War at this point, do I? Even if I went to Father Antaglio and gave up, the other Masters would probably still want to kill me as the heir to one of the founding families." At this point, she pauses to serve the eggs. She puts two fried eggs each on two plates, with a salad on the side, then crosses the kitchen to sit down at the table across from you. "Here, enjoy."
"Ah, thank you," you say, taking the plate and beginning to eat. "I'm afraid I can't make any guesses about the personalities of the other Masters.""Well, I don't think It's a very safe idea," she says. "After all the changing of the Shijou Master already, they'd probably suspect me of planning some kind of trick. So it seems like I have to fight, but I don't know anything about how you'd go about this War. Mom never told me about it before she died, even though I was her successor. Nii-san was only able to confirm it from her notes after the Einzberns contacted him, you know? Then you and Nii-san went out to fight straightforwardly and he died. I don't know what to do, Saber-san." She gives you a pleading look, obviously hoping you'll have some miracle plan to win the War.>[ ] Suggest she keep going to school normally to gather information on Rider's Master and stay at home during the night. You can work out new magical defenses with her over the weekend. (Compassion)>[ ] Suggest that Ayaka completely focus on defense, staying here 24/7 and gathering information through magic (if possible) or otherwise by having you scout alone. (Duty)>[ ] Suggest that the two of you go looking for the enemy at night. It was the execution of the battle, not the overall strategy, that killed Vaisset. (Pride)>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and suggest meeting with them to discuss future strategies. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3566397>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and put forth the necessity of training, both master and servant, to be able to better prosecute the war. Stay home and reorganize the defenses of the manner as best as possible, but otherwise focus on becoming more able to defeat the foes set before you.
>>3566409+1>>3566389And the thing I promised.
>>3566397Gonna support >>3566409, it's what we planned to do in the first place.
>>3566439It's beautiful. *chew*
>>3566439>Favorite food: Circe's homemade porridgeHilarious! I love it.
>>3566439You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Hey, just wanted you to know that someone archived a thread of mine as your Fate quest. Do you know how you can reverse that so I can properly archive my thread under the Commentarii grouping?
>>3566389Um, Sweets, you archived the wrong thread for Thread II...
>>3566540My mistake apparently, sorry. Honestly I have no idea how to do anything with suptg other than archive threads (...and as you can tell, that not always successfully.) I'll do whatever I can to help resolve the situation, but...
>>3566389Kek, I missed the end of last thread but we already got Vassiet killed.Poor girl, we weren't In the right route to save him, It can't be helped.
>>3566409+1And Rin arrives today as well.
>>3566592Maybe we could introduce the two.But I'll reiterate that asking Rin personally for Magecraft training is risky, since she'll probably ask questions we don't want to answer. It's better to talk to Ayaka and go through Jean's notes (we can also show Rin his notes on Synthetic Elemental Conversion).
>>3566409Yes, it's time. Sword training with Shirou, Magecraft with Rin and Sakura, and general parameters with RoF. Where my True Magic boys at?>>3566595Oh relax, even if she does ask questions it'll be only like you said. A probability. Doesn't mean that it'd be likely, so we need to milk all we can learn from them for all it's worth.
>>3566604Also the Emiya household will be far more secure than Ayaka's mansion due to the removal of it's defences.Man Alberich really despises Saber already.Poor Saber.Can't say she didn't bring this on herself though.>You chuckle to yourself, imagining that cold, arrogant woman screaming as the mutable portal severs her limbs, her body coming to pieces and collapsing into a pool of goreWonder how Rin will take all this, if she's not already aware.
>>3566604i'm just super scared anon
>>3566622Honestly, even full disclosure about ourselves isn't that bad.We killed a few people because it was necessary to survive.We tried to put a stop to the war at the meeting of the servants but it all went to hell.We were the only reason anyone survived at all due to seeing through Judas' act, with the help of Circe of course.
>>3566622It's fine to fear anon, but don't let it cloud your judgement of our secret weapon of this war. The Emiya family are going to be our best teachers and we still have room for ourselves to grow, Jean may have been kind of a cunt but I will be damned if I won't avenge him for being ballsy enough to try and take Kerry2 head on while we fought against the King of Knights.It's only going to get harder from here anon, so what do we do? We grind and grind with Ayaka until we're able to not just be a match toward some of the strongest Servants, but overpower them.Besides can you imagine how much the other Masters and Servants of this war will shit themselves when this Fake Saber can not only perform Magecraft but goddamn True Magic? We'll build our legend into something great>>3566625And this too. Be honest with the Emiyas since they're the ones who'll help us even more so now. No more time to be wasted, we should take at least a week or two to train and strategize accordingly. For what the others know we're dead along with Jean, so best we take advantage of it best we can
>>3566628We're still missing one thing, bitching fight music
>>3566628>Saber has defeated the last servant in the war, finally her wish will be granted>hold on something feels wrong >Alberich smashes through a window with superior Parameters and more skills>"Time to die, King of Knights." (I imagine the Emiya household would likely reveal her identity.)>halfway through the fight declare we're going to let her "die her own way" after orchestrating Harris' death and withdraw.
>>3566638Wait, why would the Emiyas sabotage Arturia?
>>3566640Why would Shirou kill Arturia?I'm also not saying it would have to be the Emiyas.We are familiar with the concept of military grade explosives, after all.Killing Arturia is honestly the nicest thing you can do for her.Her wish is stupid and makes her a Counter Guardian if it actually works.Shirou didn't really part with her under the best circumstances in HF.
>>3566397Name our damn sword before anything else.
>>3566552You gotta email Lord Licorice and he'll fix it for you. Happens all the time. He runs suptg.4chan@ thisisnotatrueending.com
>>3566669We were gonna name it Lückeschwert weren't we?Saber is firmly on Alberich's shitlist now and I can't wait to bully her.
>>3566409Before we commit to this plan, we should probably make a key decision about the war - do we want the wish from the Grail?If not, then let's go for it since it's our best chance at winning. But if we do, we should think carefully about whether or not to go through with this. Remember that Team Emiya's goal is not to help us won but to dismantle the Grail War entirely. Teaming up with them could very well shut us out from getting a wish at the end due to destruction of the Grail or something similar, and it's highly unlikely that we'll be able to backstab the entire Emiya family (and perhaps even Ayaka) successfully if we try to snag the wish at the last possible second.>>3566439True art. Louvre exhibit when?
>>3566714I mean, if we're going for a wish then it'll probably be incarnation anyway, which is pretty much the most reasonable wish possible.and if our absentee servants are actually around somewhere we can win against pretty much anyone.
>>3566714My thoughts exactly. We don't even know what happens to us without the grail's power. If we want to live then working with them would have to involve some kind of betrayal, which I don't think people would be willing to do because "muh canon characters"
>>3566728>still using the "muh canon characters" garbage point when pretty much every player wants to murder the face of Fate.Stop being dumb.
>>3566731There's still the fact that our goals in this war are completely at odds with the F/SN crew, I'm not sure how working together with them would end well.
>>3566714>do we want the wish from the Grail?Fuck yeah. How else are we going to get Circe and Adelheid back?>Remember that Team Emiya's goal is not to help us won but to dismantle the Grail War entirely. Teaming up with them could very well shut us out from getting a wish at the end due to destruction of the Grail or something similar, and it's highly unlikely that we'll be able to backstab the entire Emiya family (and perhaps even Ayaka) successfully if we try to snag the wish at the last possible second.While these are valid concerns, I think it's possible to somehow maneuver everyone into being unable to stop us from claiming the wish.To that end, we need to plan to tie them up in conflicts with the other Masters -- that means we need to meet the other Servants and Lilisviel, and make some friends we can throw against them.I'll get to work on a list of potential allies and enemies now.>Louvre exhibit when?Not if they value the integrity of the Mona Lisa.
>>3566744Our goals >kill enemy servants >kill masters if they are too dangerous >get grail>incarnateWe're 100 percent a victim of circumstance, we had our life snatched away (not that we were enjoying it but still) and were forced to fight to the death for survival. We were irreversibly altered by magic.There was no way to forfeit the war as it would mean death.And upon managing to escape with survivors our reward is a fleeting existence that requires a Master's magical energy or else we would cease to exist.And to top it off he might never see the two girls he loved(?) ever again.Alberich is a tragic hero already.
>>3566755Right, but they still want to destroy the grail. It's not that they oppose us as a person, our goals are just incompatible
(OOC knowledge spoilered.)>Definite alliesShirou: an unknown; we currently only know he has a large amount of Magical Energy, and is thus likely to be a Servant-level combatant. The most dangerous one to backstab, because of the sheer range of weapons he can bring to bear and the possibility of copying our own sword.Rider of Fuyuki: a dangerous one, purely by virtue of being a Servant with an unknown NP. She's faster than us and as strong as us, but more fragile as well. Cybele will make the battle much more difficult if we're not careful, and it could transform a victory into a loss.Sakura: a total unknown. However, she did seem to be afraid of us, and we could use that.The children: useful hostages if it comes to that, but that will put us on their shitlist forever.>Possible AlliesLancer, Berserker, Assassin: total unknowns.>Possible enemiesRider: he doesn't like us, but maybe he'll have cooled down by now.>Definite enemiesTrue Saber: she's an extremely dangerous enemy to face and a counter to us, having greater endurance and Agility as well as equal strength, Magical Energy Burst A to further strengthen herself, and Instinct A to get around Kenotis. It's best if we face her with an ally at our side and hope they don't push her to Excaliblast us somehow.
>>3566714The plan isnt explicitly to go train with the Emiya clan, it’s to tell Ayaka about them.
>>3566760We won't know until we try it but Kenotis might defend against an Excaliblast.Then we can cut her and her dumb sword in half.
>>3566775Do we really want to try our luck?
>>3566799Yes actually.Just for the concept of recreating what happens to Gil on the Fate route.And if we die oh well.
>>3566803>if we die oh wellDon't be like that, Taiga will be so disappointed in us.
>>3566809It's far from the dumbest thing Rushorou will ever die to.That would be attempting to 1v1 Berserker .
>>3566814No, that would still be sitting around while a wall collapses on us.
>>3566816No, that would be running away from his servant and challenging an assassin to straight combat
Wait, the stupidest thing we did was when we rushed onto the QAR in the middle of multiple fighting Servants.
>>3566826Oh yeah that was a real shitshow.Why did we do that again?Honestly Alberich and Shirou have both made some dreadful choices leading to their deaths before.Can't wait to get Shirou killed at the same time as us and have us both show up in the dojo.
>>3566607>Man Alberich really despises Saber already.Well, this is the same character who kicked Keiseki's head off for a laugh and turned O'Mordha's head into hamburger in the heat of the moment. Gotta maintain murderous rage continuity.
>>3566855Alberich is one of the nicest evil people around.Just don't fuck with him and you'll be fine.Also don't get in the way of his plans.
>>3566855We should probably learn to reign that in...
>>3566628>Besides can you imagine how much the other Masters and Servants of this war will shit themselves when this Fake Saber can not only perform Magecraft but goddamn True Magic?Where are you getting this impression that you'll be able to learn Sorcery from the Emiya family?
>>3566863They will face retribution for defying their superior.Saber must be bulli'd.
>>3566870I think he's talking about Rin.Stop using Dream Crusher.Though it is practically impossible regardless.
>>3566876I wasn't talking about Saber because she isn't liable to use that against us.
>>3566902The murder-rage only really activates once we've won or are about to.
>>3566907>playing a friendly game of tennis>hit the last game-set ball so hard it becomes a deadly missile, decapitating our opponent after bouncing off the court>still counts
>>3566870Why would they even teach us anything, let alone sorcery?
>>3566923Did you say servant tennis?
>>3566935They might be up for some training.
>>3566950Why would we reveal that we can learn new things, and that we're therefore abnormal, and why would we want them to know what we can do by watching us during training?
>Sword-related amateur magus protagonist asks for help learning magic for the Grail War>Rin: Again? Are you serious?
>>3566952I suppose that you have a more optimal method of training? the vote is still open, you know.
>>3566952Because they are by far the best possible trainers/training partners we could hope to use?Besides, they know we are non-standard.We've literally already told them we were transformed into a Servant.And I quote >"Caster had one more favor left to do his Master. He channeled Akeldama's power into me instead of himself, transforming me into a Servant and binding me to his Master"
>>3566952If only there were some character who already knew you were an abnormal figure, had a lot of resources, and expected you to be on their side...
>>3567018Yes if only. It's a shame there are no characters like that.
>>3566973>Besides, they know we are non-standard.>We've literally already told them we were transformed into a Servant.Oh, right, we did that.WHY THE FUCK DID WE DO THAT AAAAAAAAAA
>>3567037Because muh canon characters
>>3567037To gain trust.What's your aversion to being friends with Emiya and pals?
>>3567043Anon please. Stop being dumb.We told them so that they would understand that we were genuine when we said we were only after survival.
>>3567047I honestly don't think we would've been so open with characters that the players weren't already familiar with OOC, but it's already been done and will continue to happen so I guess I might as well stop complaining. Sorry about that.
>>3567056Maybe not, but already being familiar with Saber isn't really dissuading the players from wanting to murder her.And it's not like we won't backstab the Emiyas if we have to.Though I'd prefer if we didn't have to kill any of them at least.
>>3567023Well now you're just being willfully obtuse.
>>3567063I'm sure Vaisset would've proven to be a good master if our first battle wasn't against a non-jobbing Arturia.
>>3567068I'm not talking about Vaisset, anon. I'm giving you a hint of an option I didn't think of in time to add it as a prewritten choice.
>>3567068I think he’s talking The Einzbern maybe? This heat is keeping the old noggin from joggin, but that kinda makes sense.
>>3567084Possibly the old guy?We should look into that one.And maybe befriend the Einzbern girl.
>>3566397Meet up with the Einzbern.
Why don't we mention the Einzberns and the Emiyas and see what she thinks?
I feel that it would be too risky to seek the Einzbern out. She would know for sure that we are a Servant once hers points it out and that Ayaka is our Master, hence "in her way". I would definitely say yes if we had time to get her score high enough that she wouldn't try to kill us or Ayaka but that isn't the case.
The way I see it the Einzbern would initially be risky but congruent with our end goal, whereas the Emiyas would initially be helpful but a threat to our end goal.The question is how do we seek the Einzbern out?
>>3567517>how do we seek the Einzbern out.Anon I think we all know the answer...
>>3567583The real magic was the park bench all along...
>>3567611The Sixth Magic of Happenstance.
I miss the Akeldama crew.I miss MatsudaI miss OgawaraI miss Kikuko I miss Truvi (bitch needs to work on her temper though)But most of all I miss Circe and Adelheid.
If Matsuda, I wonder what he's doing fight now?
>>3567890>he's doing fight now?Most likely.
>>3567892I bet his fights don't even end with people being reduced to fresh new coats of paint. What a casual.
>>3567887"Aww, that's totally sweet, thanks! I, like, thought you guys all hated me."
>>3567900I was actually one of the few people that liked Kikuko.I can't really hold her laughing when we died against her considering our own actions towards killing our enemies.
>>3567910I have a fondness for valley girls and malicious people. Understandably, not all of you folks were as into Kikuko as I was.Still, glad at least one person liked her.
>>3567910Also it was possible to bad end on Circe's pottage test and Adelheid killed us twice.Honestly Rushorou's real Charisma might be in seducing girls with mental issues.
>>3567887Imagine how crazy Circe is going right now. She's got a pretty bad way of dealing with separation from her loved ones.
>>3567932I mean, she's no more malicious than Yumigawa "Brainwashing is the first choice for dealing with prisoners" Rushorou. The guy who kicks peoples heads off because he feels like it.Tbh Rushorou killing Keiseki is probably my favourite moment in the quest followed by Telling Cid to fuck himself. >>3567955If she's still around then she's probably going mental.
>>3567517If we do seek out the Einzbern, we need to discuss how to disguise the fact that we're a Servant from her for as long as it would take for us to reap the benefits of a partnership. Or, do we simply reveal ourselves as Saber once it becomes necessary and hope that we're entrenched enough as allies that she won't kill us?>>3567932>I have a fondness for malicious people.That explains a lot. The way you construct characters makes far more sense now.>>3567955>Rushorou wasn't viable to support Circe as a Servant, so she got stuck to Truvi instead when being thrust back into the world>Circe now acts as Truvi's alarm clock, waking her master every morning with "take me back to my hubby you bitch reeeeeeeee"
>>3568079I wonder what Adelheid is up to if she's around.>"Unexplained explosions have completely destroyed the Reichstag! No terror organization has claimed to be behind these attacks."I highly doubt Truvi would be able to tell Circe "No." to that request without bad things happening to her when she sleeps.And good luck trying to keep a Caster away from you with modern magecraft.
>>3568079>The way you construct characters makes far more sense now.How do I construct characters?
>>3568079How sure are we that the Einzbern has a servant?
>>3568137Is water wet?
>>3568149She didn't seem to have one when we met, unless it was Assassin
>>3568115To me, at least, it seems like you define characters primarily by some major flaw that they have, and other positive characteristics spring from there but are generally secondary to said massive flaw. To give a few examples of what I've observed and how I've interpreted it:Circe is dangerously obsessive over the target of her affection and doesn't really care about others besides said target. The silver lining of that is that she's ferociously protective of the one she's fixated on and anyone said target deems important.Adelheid is literally Hitler. But Hitler was undeniably charismatic and incredibly daring, the latter trait helping us finally kill the cockroach.Truvi can't separate herself from her status as the heir to a prominent mage family, resulting in an overblown ego that is easily injured when she doesn't live up to the expectations that result. To prove herself, she's willing to share her knowledge with a magical neophyte in desperate need of information.Kikuko doesn't really care about other people, but she was able to harden her heart and her mind to the point where she didn't go completely insane despite being a sheltered girl tossed into Akeldama.Ogawara has crippling social anxiety, but his resulting proficiency with even 2004-era internet allowed him to piece together that Archer was in fact Clint Eastwood.Matsuda wants to live like a badass to the detriment of his health, safety, and any future occupation he might have. But since it's the badass way, he's one loyal son of a bitch.Alberich thinks he has the right to rule over everyone. To demonstrate that, he willingly takes on a leader's responsibilities, striving towards his goals and protecting those under him to the best of his ability (when his massive head doesn't get in the way).>>3568137A Grail War is happening. The Einzbern wouldn't bother helping build another grail unless they intended to use it themselves. To use it, they need to win the war. Sending a proxy master went fantastically in the 4th war, so they almost certainly won't be doing that again. That means they have their own master in this war.>>3568167It's possible that it was an Assassin who was only partially concealing his presence to appear weaker than he was.
>>3568181>partially concealing his presenceaka Espionage
>>3568250It's also possible that Assassin was just hiding and Otto was just a stooge (or he had the skill Powerless Shell). But that would be too clever for the Einzberns...
>>3566397>>3566669This. Why is nobody voting for this?>almost die to a servant because we were completely unable to attack>nobody cares enough to take five minutes to name it afterwardwtf guys?
>>3568287Because we can do that immediately after getting in sync w our new master
>>3568289I don't think downtime is guaranteed for the next vote either. No time like the present.
We've had a lot of discussion since the beginning of this thread, so just to confirm:Are people still on board with >>3566409 ?If not:Should we have Ayaka stay home or attend school?Do we want to tell Ayaka about the Emiyas, the Einzberns, both, or neither?If we tell her about either, do we want to suggest approaching the ones we tell her about for help?
>>3568418I suppose we should add our Einzbern “connection” to my write-in as well. I don’t want to tell her we’re going straight to either the Emiya clan or the Einzberns for help.
>>3568418Honestly the mansion isn't safe at all.We'd probably be better off asking the Emiyas for shelter, it's too dangerous to have our master unprotected but it's also too dangerous to have them accompany us when Harris might appear.Of course this means we should tell her about them.And going to school with a servant that is unable to materialise is just begging for problems.
>>3568418I think she should stay home. Standing outside the school is a huge waste of time for us and we're hardly even protecting her like that. I think we should tell her about both, and we ought to tell her our full backstory. I don't see why we should keep any of it from her. She seems much more engaged with us and the war than her brother so I'd like to see more genuine cooperation. I definitely agree with the need to train more but I'm not sure if that can be done effectively on our own, or if there are even any teachers around with skills that would be useful for us to learn. I think we need to explore her capabilities and the resources from Vaisset's lab before we going running with our tail between our legs to either the Einzberns or the Emiyas. She's part of the most powerful family in the area and we aren't as helpless here as some people think.
>>3568447That last point is most pertinent for me. I really want to exploit the Mansion’s resources before we duck out.
>>3568430While I agree that asking the Emiyas for shelter is certainly the safest route, it also might lock us into helping them and therefore out of the wish. We don't know if we're ready to give the wish up yet, so I'd suggest we don't do that quite yet.There's also the possibility that the remaining Servants could be called to ally against us and the Emiyas to protect the war if the Overseer catches wind of that operation. We should at least wait until a servant or two dies before pursuing an open partnership with the Emiyas.>>3568447>>3568463I agree that we should see what the mansion has to offer. Vaisset was working on some groundbreaking shit and almost got it to work. There has to be something we can use. Anything that can help us learn Mana Burst would be particularly helpful. In my mind, the ideal case would be modifying his synthetic transmutation to convert Void to other elements and then using our sword/cloak as a budget Gem Sword, but considering our magical knowledge that's a pipe dream and a half.That said, it may be worth pursuing the Einzbern connection regardless simply so we can coordinate our movements with another Master. If we were to, say, meet her in our suited state and then appear where we've agreed upon in full armor + helmet, we may be able to play it off like we're a servant and master combination arranged to covertly work together with the Einzbern master or something of the like.
>>3568463Again, we need to take all of Jean's books and shit out of there. Those are the most valuable things in the mansion.
>>3568472Can we even afford to give up the wish? What happens to us when the war's over? It's all too unknown to risk missing out on a wish that guarantees our continued existence. We need to do more investigation into our current state of being, or find someone friendly who could. This would require coming clean about Akeldama however. About a cover story for the Einzberns, could we be explained as a demi-Servant or pseudo-Servant?
>>3568483Do the Einzberns know about it? Lilisviel mistook us for a homunculus, but their Servant probably set the record straight already. We have no reason to give them a cover story rather than just claiming to be a Servant.If you insist, just say Caster sounded us and transferred the rights to his Master before dying. It's true, but it reveals nothing that we want to keep close to our chest.
>>3568483Ironically, the Emiyas would probably be our best bet for determining our nature and what to do about it. They're the ones with the most exposure to absurd Servant nonsense since this is the HF timeline, and we already pretty much came clean with Shirou about Akeldama. That motherfucker can even sway someone with no concept of morality hellbent on torturing him for the rest of his days. And he needed nothing but a brief conversation and a little bit of food to share. He has terrifyingly good people skills.Alberich doesn't know anything about other kinds of Servants than the normal ones, so we can't use them as a cover story.
Lore question: What is the difference between the reverse side of the world and the imaginary number realm? Based on the wiki it seems like Sweets almost combined the two. >>3568518Do you think they'd be willing to help us if we revealed fully that we're just an "innocent" student that got swept up into this, and that if we don't win the war we'll cease to exist since we're not a real servant stored within the Grail? before incarnating and assuming our rightful role as ruler of this world
>>3568529The Reverse Side of the World refers to that portion of the Imaginary Numbers Realm which has been made observable to magi by its inhabitants. To put it another way, if the Realm of Imaginary Numbers is the home of the Gods, the The Reverse Side of the World is their front window. The Reverse Side of the World was discovered first, and the two areas were originally thought to be separate, but it is in fact only part of a greater whole.
Alright, at this point I'm really not sure if there's a consensus, so here's another set of prompts to hopefully get a majority vote for something. >[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and put forth the necessity of training, both master and servant, to be able to better prosecute the war. Stay home and reorganize the defenses of the manor as best as possible, but otherwise focus on becoming more able to defeat the foes set before you.>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and suggest going to them for shelter, as the manor's defenses are compromised.>[ ] Tell Ayaka about your entire story: your experiences in the Akeldama, the Emiyas, the Einzberns, all of it. Suggest staying at the manor, not going to school or the Emiyas.>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the fact that the Einzbern representative took you for an ally sent by her grandfather, and so allying with her may be possible. Suggest going to the Einzberns for support.>[ ] Focus the conversation on something else. (Write in)
>>3568634>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and put forth the necessity of training, both master and servant, to be able to better prosecute the war. Stay home and reorganize the defenses of the manor as best as possible, but otherwise focus on becoming more able to defeat the foes set before you.
>>3568634>[ ] Tell Ayaka about your entire story: your experiences in the Akeldama, the Emiyas, the Einzberns, all of it. Suggest staying at the manor, not going to school or the Emiyas.This, EXCEPT we suggest going to the Emiyas. Or not, if anons don't want it.
>>3568634>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and put forth the necessity of training, both master and servant, to be able to better prosecute the war. Stay home and reorganize the defenses of the manor as best as possible, but otherwise focus on becoming more able to defeat the foes set before you.But don't mention the Emiya family. For now, focus on getting the manor's defenses back online and look through Vaisset's research to see if there's anything we can use.Let's hold off on choosing alliances for the moment since I don't think we've reached a consensus on that, but keep the possibility open. We're not going to make it through this war flying solo.Ayaka will probably be confused by the notion that a Servant can get stronger or better, but we can just blame it on the empowering effect of Akeldama. It's not exactly a lie.
>>3568634>>3568731Still don't feel that seeking the Einzbern this early is a good idea.
>>3568745It's a terrible idea. We know very little about them, they probably divined a lot of information about us and we don't even know which class Lilisviel's Servant is in. We shouldn't approach them until we're stronger, we know what to use them against and we have leverage on them.
>>3568634>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and suggest going to them for shelter, as the manor's defenses are compromised.
>>3568745I meant to support >>3568731, btw.
>>3568779I think you misunderstand how an alliance with the Einzbern would work. Liliesviel has two expectations about Alberich: a) that we will be acting in some way to her benefit and b) that we will be subordinate to her in any direct alliance. If we were to choose to work with the Einzbern, it would involve Alberich playing to and taking advantage of those expectations. Whatever her servant is, it's not Artoria so we can probably take it, meaning we wouldn't need strength. We wouldn't be "using" them as much as they would be "using" us, but either way enemy servants die so we would still benefit. Lili's expectations about us would be our leverage, given that they're a reliable key to an alliance.I'm also not really sure why those are your criteria for an alliance. The only one of those things we had when working with Truvi and Lancer was Lancer's class. We weren't decidedly stronger than her and her servant, we had no idea what we were up against, and she had most of the leverage being the expert on how Grail Wars work.
>>3569098Also allying with the Einzbern is a quick way to get on Shirou's shitlist.
I have a question about the fate universe. Are the servants just that strong when they were heroes in the past, or is the grail empowering to their levels of strength? Does this also apply to their NPs as well, or does the grail give them one base on their legend?
>>3569158Also, I think I may have saw something about this when I played stay/night but don't servants get a power boost based on how well known their legend is?
>>3569158Servants are actually weaker than they were in the past. Heroic Spirits are so absurdly powerful that the Grail can only manage to summon them if they've been dumbed down enough to be crammed into one of the class containers. Presumably, this applies to NPs to some degree as well.It's also worth noting that the Grail doesn't "give" NPs, it just decides which ones a Heroic Spirit gets summoned with of those they has access to.>>3569161They do get a power boost based on how famous their legend is where they're summoned, but it's not huge enough to make or break a Servant.
>>3569158Yes and no. A Heroic Spirit is summoned into the form of a Servant, as one of the 7 classes. This Servant form is also known as a container, because it restricts the powers of the Servant.A good example of this is Cu Chulainn. In his legends he was known as an expert charioteer, and once wielded the sword of the war god, as well as being a potent spearman. Summoned into the container of Lancer, however, he is only able to use his spear and fight in that capacity.It's generally thought that Servants are weaker than their Heroic Spirit originals, although this is not the case for some, who have been surpassed by their own legends. Vlad III would be a good example of this; as a living hero he was a surpassing commander, but as a Servant he can take on the vampiric powers of Dracula due to the legend attached to him.As a side note, yes, Servants are empowered by their legends being well-known, and particularly by being summoned in a place where they are famous. This is one reason why the False Assassin was able to go toe-to-toe with Saber in F/SN.
>>3569182>It's generally thought that Servants are weaker than their Heroic Spirit originals, although this is not the case for some, who have been surpassed by their own legends.It's my understanding that in cases like this, the Grail itself isn't responsible for the empowerment. The Heroic Spirit may become more powerful than the individual was in life (if that person ever existed) since Heroic Spirits are based on belief rather than fact. Sasaki Kojirou never existed, but Heroic Spirit Sasaki Kojirou was placed on the Throne of Heroes regardless in the form of an unknown swordsman given Sasaki Kojirou's name. Angra Mainyu was placed on the Throne because people believed that his evil was their salvation.I don't know of any case where a true Heroic Spirit would be weaker than a Servant summoned by the Grail.
>>3569205Sorry, I was unclear. You're right, it's the Heroic Spirit that's surpassed the living hero in such cases. Since anon asked about "when they were heroes in the past," I was comparing to their power in life.Except in the case of Avenger and his abnormal birth, the Holy Grail doesn't empower Servants beyond facilitating their existence.This is one of the things that makes Alberich unique, since in your case you actually are empowered to be a Servant and have no Heroic Spirit. I think I made this comparison in a previous thread, but whereas other heroes must be constricted to fit into the class container, you've grown to fit.
>>3569216Yeah I'm really curious about our existence. Shouldn't we have filled Judas' class container of Caster since the saber class container was already occupied and his was available and tied to Vaisset?
>>3569232Although this is an interesting subject, it's something you'll have to learn about in character if you want more information. By the way, we currently have 2 for training after telling Ayaka about the Emiya family, 2 for just focusing on training and determining what Ayaka can do as a master, and 1 vote for each of a few other choices.
>>3568906I think my ID changed butI'll switch to>[ ] Tell Ayaka about the Emiya family and put forth the necessity of training, both master and servant, to be able to better prosecute the war. Stay home and reorganize the defenses of the manor as best as possible, but otherwise focus on becoming more able to defeat the foes set before you.
List of magical fuckery that has changed AlberichPseudo grail dips his body in the imaginary numbers realm and reforms him, adding 126 highly ordered magical circuits and turning him from a physical being to a conceptual being (which we still don't fully understand)Circe uses his flesh to create his cloak that is linked to his new origin and elementHe fucks with his command seals enough to create a link to his servants separate from the grail that can supposedly support them both. The markings have disappeared but the state of our servants is unknown.Akeldama energy fills in the gaps required to fit the class container of saber, also develops a link to the IRL grail as a servant, creating a fundamental change to his being. Unknown if this is only for the duration of the grail war or permanent.
>>3568634>[ ] Tell Ayaka about your entire story: your experiences in the Akeldama, the Emiyas, the Einzberns, all of it. Suggest staying at the manor, not going to school or the Emiyas.I honestly don't even know why we kept our origin a secret in the first place
>>3569262Keeping up with tracking votes it's4 for going to tell about and train with the Emiyas, 2 for telling Ayaka about all our experiences and staying at the manor.
Tell Ayaka about the Emiyas and train>>3568650>>3569039>>3569264Train without yelling Ayaka about the Emiyas>>3568731>>3569074Tell Ayaka the whole story>>3569324>>3568657
Well seeing as we'll be training with the Emiyas+Rin. What should we be namely focusing on for our training? Who would be able to train us and Ayaka best for what? And finally, can we still work on our magecraft? I think we should making best with learning under Rin and Sakura. The latter I might add also shares our Origin in dealing with Imaginary Numbers, that and their help in making best of Jeans transmutation of the five elements will be a major boon. We still don't know Ayaka's real potential as a Magus so we best learn it quick and make the best of it. We've met True Saber and Rider so far IC, but we have yet to meet any of the other Servants. So we best grind and grind until we're at beyond 500% maximum performance.
>>3569595I don't think the vote is to train with the Emiyas. We're just telling her about them and then training with her.
>>3569600Considering we're making mention of the Emiyas, the option to head out and train with them very well be an option I'm thinking. That and they'd be our best option in figuring out exactly what the deal with our conceptual existence is and what it means, because I'm sure as shit not going to trust Ms. Einzbern with poking and prodding at our essence.But best we make a bullet point list for our goals of training I think. So from what I can gather it's this:>Gage Ayaka's skill as a Magus and sharpen her skills accordingly>Figure a way to make use and complete Jean's notes on transmutation>Learn more about our own existence as a Number Man and figure out what advantages and disadvantages it entails>Grind parameters until at least one would be EX or an A++>Form some new Skills/NP?>Work on sharpening our ability with Kenotis and Lückeschwert to try and unlock something new for them and figure out tricks to use them for our next Servant encounter
>>3569623>>Grind parameters until at least one would be EX or an A++A-anon do you understand how high EX and A++ Parameters actually are?
Don't forget that we have to help Ayaka continue her duties as the Second Owner of the area.
>>3569635That is absurd. I’d like to just get Agility or Endurance up...
>>3569645>he thinks that shit matters during a grail war."No."
>>3569623I'm not sure it's worth working with them if we can train through other means. The Vaisset Manor likely has plenty of tomes on magical theory and other resources we can use. Vaisset was very interested in the theory and research of magic.
>>3569635Yes. And? Are you wanting to settle for less? Because I say if we're going to grind we're going to do it until we have it high damnit. WE GOT A WAR TO WIN, AND TO WIN WE NEED POWER. Besides who knows how quick/slow we're able to get these up? We won't know until we get going on it
>>3569648Honestly I just want to be able to match Arturia physically.
why didn't we get to keep the training gloves Circe made us too
>>3569649But it will matter more when the war is over, and give Alberich a good place to start his plans for global domination via those connections.
>>3569659Anon, how do you think you learned Mind's Eye (True)?
>>3569659They’re not really integral to Rushorou on a conceptual level, and we didn’t really use them a ton aside from a bit of sparring with Matsuda. It’s understandable as to why the grail overlooked them.
>>3569654Emiyas actually have two people we can combat train withAlberich is a magic brainlet and Ayaka won't be as good at magecraft as Rin.>>3569656Anon you don't seem to understand how stompy a servant with A++ or EX in a parameter should be.
>>3569672The C++ doubling thing is so dumb. I refuse to believe that's what Nasu was planning originally.
>>3569668Wait what's the correlation between the gloves and that skill
>>3569654We know that Shirou through gauging him is a Servant-level combatant and there's the actual Rider of Fuyuki there along with them. Plus Rin and Sakura would be good teachers for both Ayaka and ourselves, to say that it's not worth working with them even if we can train through other means is absurd. If we have something to make use of, then shit we better use it. Who says we can't go for utilizing the Emiyas along the Jean's notes? If anything I think it'd be better to have a few extra people to help us study the tomes and other resources.>>3569672I know how a Servant with A++ or EX in those is, I'm saying that we should set it as a goal to strive for. Doesn't mean that it COULD happen but we need to try and go for it regardless since considering we have Artoria and Archer Hercules in this war we need to get as stompy as possible
>>3569677It's ridiculous yeah.At least we don't have EX parameters being put where they don't belong on servants.Oh wait yes we do.
>>3569685If you think we can either survive after the war without making a wish or that we can survive betraying them at the end then sure, it's totally worth it
>>3569698>Implying using and abusing the Emiya clan in order to become able to win the war, and then cunningly betraying them, wouldn’t be a perfect crowning achievement for Alberich.
>>3569704I agree that it would be, but I really don't want to end up genuinely teaming up with them. Which is a risk.
>>3569707>I really don't want to end up genuinely teaming up with themJust avoid the high jump and it’ll be *fine*
>>3569698Anon why do you think we'd have trouble backstabbing anyway?Our sword is literally a "fuck you instant kill" and ad such is perfect for backstabs.Though if the grail isn't gonna shit out manjew there's no point in blowing it up anyway.
>>3569712>Our sword is literally a "fuck you instant kill" I take exception to this. The sword is the perfect Anti-Armor NP, but if we fucked up someone with Battle Continuation or somesuch skill they could still get Alberich.
>>3569707They are a means to an end for sure.Alberich does sort of like Shirou because Shirou is a candidate for "World's nicest person".I don't want to have to kill any of them though.They also lose pretty badly against us in a fight if Adelheid and Circe are alive.
>>3569712>one decent to good strength servant vs multiple servant tier enemiesDon't like those odds amigo
>>3569725Just cleave straight through their heart or brain. Those are a servants weak points iirc.Also Battle Continuation won't do you much good if you've been bifurcated.
>>3569729>insta kill Rider and escape with them not fast enough to pursueThat was hard.
>>3569738Confidence is great and all but I think you're going a little too far with it there
>>3569734>Just kill the servant anon!It’s never that easy.
>>3569763Try telling that to Perseus.
>>3569689Did I put ridiculous EX parameters on any Servants? Thought the only place I used it was for Adelheid's aberrant version of Madness.>>3569679The Gloves of Learning enabled you to rapidly memorize and comprehend fighting techniques after performing them. To put that another way, they enabled you to understand combat. The core of Mind's Eye (True) is a deep understanding and clear view of combat. As your mystic code was sublimated into your NPs, the gloves were sublimated into your current form of that skill.
>>3569769Makes sense...update when
>>3569768He was a bitchmade jobber. No way sweets graces us with such an easily-slain opponent.>>3569769I believe anon was referring to the state of servants in the macro sense. Also, very neat with the application of the gloves! That’s more satisfying than just a raw powerboost to our Mind’s Eye.
>>3569780Some time after I get home, anon. It's a weekday, and I can't write updates when I'm out.
>>3569769I was talking about FGO actually.Mostly Edison.What the fuck were they thinking?
>>3569800Anything you can do Edison can do better. I'm sorely disappointed that his head isn't an electrically burned elephant though
>>3569800Oh yeah, FGO is rife with pointless EX-rank stuff. Skills are most egregious. Three quarters of the cast have unique skills that are then EX-rank anyway, when EX-rank means it can't be measured by the same metric as other rankings of the same skill.
>>3569734>Just cleave straight through their heartTell that to Cu.
>>3569872Battle Continuation is kind of a rare skill and it won't help much if you're bisected horizontally. Especially won't help if you're bisected vertically.And Kenotis can just delete their entire torso.
>>3569892You make it sound like getting just the right hit on a Servant would be easy. Which of our enemies would simply allow themselves to be cleanly cut or wait for Kenotis to billow into them without at least trying to dodge?
>>3569920>Inb4 Medea fucks up again
>>3569920One that we are allied with who isn't expecting us to cut them in half?I'm mostly just saying our NPs are excellent for betrayals.
IRL responsibilities have forced me to push back another update, sorry. I did find some time to work on it tonight, but not enough...
Oh boy I can't wait to kill Arturia.only way I can possibly see Alberich not trying to kill her on sight is if there's a greater threat present, and to Saber, Alberich looks like the greater threat. Alternatively it miiiight be possible to talk to her if we get more 5th war info.
>>3571285It'll be a long while before we're able to do that.both IRL and in the quest
>>3572780Yeah Arturia is broken when she's not forced to job by the plot.anyway.I wonder if there is another Edelfelt sibling in this war, they are sometimes twins aren't they?If there is that's a possible alliance.
>>3572791Did Truvietianne tell you much about her family life, or did you only get as far as discussing magic?
>>3572980>tfw ywn 100% Fate/City Akeldama and Fate/Awakening Mirror
>>3572980We kept pissing her off every time we spoke to her.Luckily magi like to reveal their names to everyone at any opportunity.
>>3572987Hmm... should I start the quest over after Awakening Mirror ends so people can try for the other routes?
>>3573168It would certainly be interesting.
>>3573168Is awakening mirror the end of the story of Alberich? Will it end when this grail war is finished?
>>3573181Honestly, that depends on what kind of ending you get.
>>3573191Well that's both relieving and concerning.
>>3573168Well if there's not a third True Route to be made after Awakening Mirror then sure. Other wise I say we should hold off until we go through our own Heaven's Feel of a sort.
>>3573168Why not. The sizeable number of anons who wanted Seigi no Mitaka would certainly be satisfied. There’s no precedent for it on /qst/ but I’d be on board. Only if you want to of course.
>>3573257>Yumigawa as Seigi no MikataImagining this just makes me laugh.
>>3573262Awakening with Assassin (Shadow) Rushorou would also be fun, actually.
>>3573270>Go ALL the way back to the start>Matsuda >Blood for the Blood God Morality>Archer>Go into Fate/Awakening Mirror as raging Bahsaka
>>3573168Absolutely. If you're willing I'd be happy to try the war as Assassin, maybe Archer.I'm Interested to see how you'll spin the story In a different direction each time.
Also I'd like to note that wow, we really should have trained earlier. At least we seem to be of one mind that we need to get In gear now.>>3573191Just out of curiosity, how many routes does Vaisset get to live through I mean, just an estimation or a percentage of course . From the setup, It does't look like he lives through very many timelines.
>>3573495He probably would have lived if we both bailed.
>>3573478Archer or Assassin would definitely be most interesting. Assassin for literally being The Shadow and Archer for Independent Action.
How long do Grail Wars usually last on average?
>>3573495At the choice of whether to flee or not, there were three outcomes. If you had both run, you would have both died. As you fought, you could survive with suitable tactics, but Vaisset was guaranteed death. If you had held your ground and sent him fleeing, you would have had a hard fight, but there was the possibility for both of you to survive.Previous to that, you had the option to investigate the mysterious fires in town or to pursue Rider. Vaisset had worse chances of survival in the former case, and better chances in the latter.Overall, I would say that Vaisset survives longer in about half of the overarching routes I had considered, but only makes it to the end of the Grail War in about a quarter.>>3573534About two weeks, give or take.
>>3573593Damn, so we made some of the worse choices for Vaisset's survival.
>>3573593>but only makes it to the end of the Grail War in about a quarter.Jesus Christ those odds are worse than Shinji's.
>>3573697To be more fair on Shinji, he had two more plot important family members that kept him alive for those parts. And rememberHe's only 8 years old
>>3573168If you ask me, the possibilities are highly alluring. I hereby present the Hyaku Pahsento Certified Badass™ Run of City Akeldama:>BADASS Seigi no Mikata Matsuda/Archer Certified Badass™ Tag Team>BADASS Matsuda making a man out of Ogawara>BADASS role for Truvi beyond Lancer's battery>BADASS redemption run for Truvi to be more than an emotional wreck>BADASS Truvi route get>BADASS actual appearance of Assassin's master>BADASS Saber not jobbing>BADASS Circe/Orpheus being terrorized by the ultimate cockroach servant>BADASS Kikuko surviving yet again>BADASS Matsuda stealing Kikuko's heart by Seigi no Mikata'ing her and not dying like the rest>BADASS catfights between Truvi and Kikuko>BADASS Archer eating popcorn in the corner and mocking Matsuda for not controlling his women like a BADASS>BADASS Ambrose breaking his contract with Berserker and joining the BADASS team>BADASS Berserker surviving via Judas-facilitated contract to Jack DeLancey>BADASS Sadism Yumigawa swapped with Keiseki, now Rider's master>BADASS Rushorou + Rider + Berserker Ultimate Evil Tag Team>BADASS Operation Get Ambrose a Servant>BADASS Ambrose's Servant keeping Rider occupied>BADASS showdown between an American icon and literal Hitler>BADASS Matsuda and Ambrose taking on Silver Grailed Yumigawa>...>It's over>Victory is almost ours>Judas comes to collect>Archer is ready to draw>Longinus strikes, lance about to kill Archer>...>BADASS Iron Heart activation>BADASS Archer putting a hole in Longinus' forehead>BADASS Matsuda killing Judas in a fit of righteous anger>BADASS Berserker of Righteous Fury ready to RIP AND TEAR the Tokyo Grail WarWhile it's just a possibility, it'd be the exact opposite of our current playthrough in every way imaginable. I think it'd be fun.
>>3573923That post is a weapons-grade assault on my sides. Fantastic, ID!My personal favorite part of that route would probably be when Teach gets Yumigawa drunk and they sing a morbid sea shanty on the deck.
"Well," you say, considering carefully how best to put your advice to the girl. "The first thing I would advise is focus. For your brother, the Holy Grail War was not a priority; he preferred to spend his time immersed in research, and I had to prompt him to pursue the War. You must focus yourself entirely on the task ahead if we are to seize victory. I'm afraid your daily life will have to be set aside in favor of the Holy Grail War. Is that something you can accept, Miss Ayaka?""I'll have to, won't I?" The girl gives you a half-smile. "If staying home from school and spending all my time on the War is the only way to survive, I'm not going to argue with you about it.""I'm glad you understand," you say with a firm nod. "Now, the second thing we must consider is information. Frankly, I still know very little about what your brother was capable of with regards to magecraft. If we are to be victorious, I must know the extent of your capabilities. I know well that my own power was insufficient, and intend to train heavily before we next go into battle.""You'll probably be disappointed," Ayaka says. "My ability as a magus is hopelessly average; I don't think I can do much to help you."You shake your head, gallantly declaring, "whether you are average or superb doesn't matter in the least. You are my Master now, and I will fight by your side regardless of your abilities. What is important is that I know, and can plan around them.""Alright then," Ayaka replies, though it's clear from her tone that she's still hesitant. "My mother's family cultivated old black magic. Curses and things like that, I mean, ritual magic focused on living things.""Go on," you say.Ayaka nods, and continues, "I don't know how to perform a lot of it, actually. Although the whole crest was transplanted to me after Mom died, our arts are complicated and confusing even with its help. I can't just power a mystery stored in the crest and have it work, I'd have to know how to use it properly. Mom would've taught me, but..." Ayaka trails off, looking down. After only a moment's silence, though, she picks back up her narration. "Anyway, I've been learning from the Shijou library since, but it's slow with nobody to help me along."It would probably be wisest to let the girl tell her story at her own pace, but against your better judgment you let your curiosity get the better of you, asking, "How is it that your lack of understanding inhibits you? I had believed that a magus' hereditary crest completely facilitated the manifestation of an inherited mystery."
"Huh..." Ayaka considers the question for a few moments, staring off into space and pursing her dainty lips in irritation as she tries to call to mind a clear explanation. Finally the answer dawns on her, and she speaks up again. "Here's a good example. Mom once told me about a curse invented by our family that settles in and takes root in the cursed person's magic circuits, running off of their Od until it finally kills them. She said nobody could remove it once it was used, and it was one of our best techniques, but that I wouldn't be ready to learn it until I was 36 years old. So that curse, as a part of the Shijou inheritance, is part of my magic crest, right?" She looks to you for confirmation before continuing."Yes," you say, "I should think it would be.""It is," Ayaka replies with a nod. "I can manifest the curse by activating the crest and doing a short chant, very easily, without ever having learned how it was originally done. The problem is, I can't send it to someone. Apparently the target was assigned using a special ritual described somewhere in our family papers, but I can't find it. So even though the magic crest does the hardest part of the magic, I still can't use the curse. There are a bunch of other Shijou techniques like that, too.""I am beginning to understand your circumstances, Miss Ayaka," you say. "Even magic is no substitute for a proper teacher, I suppose. But surely not all of your hereditary powers are so complex. You must be able to use some of them on your own.""I'm not quite that useless, no," she answers with a self-deprecating smile. "Mom also performed a ritual sacrifice of a pigeon every morning, and took its energy in to supplement her own. That's something I can do with only the crest, but I've never actually worked up the courage to kill one. Last year Nii-san finally got rid of the pigeons once he gave up on me being able to kill them. Ehehe..." She chuckles, embarassed at the memory.You give her a level stare. An ability the girl can't bring herself to use isn't any more use than one she doesn't know how to. Anyway, what kind of family were the Shijou, you wonder. Are all their mysteries based wholly around bloodshed and the consumption of life force? You have to admit the aesthetics appeal to you, but putting abilities with that kind of focus in the hands of a soft girl like Ayaka... well, her discomfort's not working in your favor. Kikuko would have been a much better heir for them, you reflect. Interpreting your silence as disappointment, Ayaka hastens to move on. "I can also put up bounded fields, of course, that's one of the basics. I guess I'll need to raise one around the house now that Nii-san's gone. And there's the black wings, of course."That makes you sit up and take notice. Black wings? Does she have some kind of flight magic, of the kind Circe used? "And what would that be," you ask leaning forward in anticipation.
"Here, I'll show you," she says, and gets to her feet with right arm outstretched. The magic crest on Ayaka's arm comes to life, its complex patterns glowing through her sleeve, and she recites a sentence of something you can't quite understand. From the sound, you guess it's a form of archaic Japanese, but despite your perfect marks in classics you're quite unable to comprehend the words. At the end of this short incantation, the air around Ayaka's head and shoulders suddenly fills with ten black feathers, arrayed about her in motionless levitation.Noticing your baffled expression (and enjoying it a bit, you suspect,) the girl explains. "They're the feathers of birds we sacrificed over the centuries, brought back and empowered by magical energy. 'Black wings' is kind of a misnomer, I guess, but the name stuck a long time ago.""Of course they're very pretty," you say, "but what do you do with them?""Take a look," Ayaka says, and without further warning one of the feathers shoots from out beside her head with the speed of a bullet, burying its point in the table. Then it slowly rises back to its former place; the feather is undamaged, while there's a tiny, perfectly round hole dug into the table, like the scar left in cork after a pin has been withdrawn. "The black wings are how the Shijou magi fight in person, when we have to. I can attack with them, like I just showed you, or make a shield out of them. Even if using the black wings is all I can really do, I hope it'll be useful anyway...""Of course your abilities will be useful," you answer reassuringly. "From appearances, these black wings are a very versatile tool, which should prove invaluable in protecting you from enemy attack. More precious still is the humility you hold regarding your powers. Since you hold such a low opinion of your own ability to fight, I know that you will allow me to protect you, and not attempt to face the foe in a duel. Let me fight for you, Miss Ayaka, and stay close by my side whenever we face an enemy Master. Devote yourself to improving your magical abilities when at home, and rely on me when we are in battle, and then we cannot fail." Giving her this kind of pep talk isn't really in your nature, but you reason that the girl needs plenty of encouragement this morning if she's going to serve as a decent Master for you. That being the case, you put plenty of energy into your tone and flash her a chivalrous smile as you describe your certainty of victory. Sure enough, your repeated encouragement over breakfast has its desired effect. Ayaka is in much higher spirits now as she blushingly mutters, "Th-thank you, Saber-san. I'll put myself in your care."
Then, all of a sudden, she seems to rally self-control by shifting her thoughts to a different subject, and moves the conversation at the same time. "Information goes both ways, though, you know," the girl declares. "If we're going to be fighting together, don't you think I should know about your abilities too? You haven't said anything about how you fight, or what your heroic powers are, or anything like that! I don't even know what kind of hero you are. All you said before was that your 'memories are indeterminate'.""I suppose I haven't told you much," you muse. "You won't find it a long explanation, though. My abilities are without complexity and I have no arcane lineage to describe. I'll be frank, Miss Ayaka. I was summoned with no memories of life as a hero, or of my true name as a heroic spirit." For a dramatic flourish, you manifest your armor and cloak, and draw your sword as you continue, holding it and standing in the manner of a knight at attention. "I am Saber, an armored knight who wields this blade." As you're speaking, that strange flash of instinct you felt when swearing your oath to Vaisset and again when introducing yourself to Liliesviel von Einzbern suddenly takes hold, and you continue almost without control over your tongue. "This sword's name I do know, however. Its smith called it Lückeschwert, and I too use that name for it; but if there is some famed tale of how a hero clad in white steel and black silk took it for his own, it is unknown to me. As for my powers, I can fight with sword or fist. I can plan a battle too, and perhaps ride out to fight on horseback, though I haven't attempted it since being summoned here."Status Updated At this point Ayaka actually breaks into laughter, quite unexpectedly interrupting your speech with a kind of mirth shocking so soon after her brother's death. "We make a great pair, don't we," she manages to say once she's gotten control of herself again. "I'm a magus who can't use the powers she inherited, and you're a legendary hero who can't remember his story! Nii-san said that the Holy Grail would summon someone with a compatible personality for you if you didn't have a catalyst, but I guess it ignored his catalyst and did it anyway!""Well, I'm glad you find the situation mirthful, Miss Ayaka," you say with dry sarcasm, "but there is one more detail I ought to relate to you.""Oh, really? What's that?""The Emiya family," you declare. "While I was scouting the city for your brother, I happened to run across an extraordinary pair of magi: Emiya Shirou and his wife, Emiya Sakura. Survivors of the previous Holy Grail War, that set at a place called Fuyuki City, who are dedicated to preventing this one from being completed. They have both magical energy and experience in great supply, and even sustain the existence of a Servant, Rider, fifteen years after the end of the existence of the Holy Grail which facilitated her summoning."
"What?" Ayaka leaps to her feet, her eyes wide in shock at your account of the Emiyas, but before she can make a further response you raise a hand to stop her, and finish your own explanation."I believe they could come to be our greatest enemies in the end," you continue, "but could also be useful allies in the short term. Emiya and his wife are two very compassionate people, and it is my view that they'd like nothing more than to put an end to the Holy Grail War peacefully. That, we can make good use of." You decide against mentioning either the conflicting account of your history which you provided them or the fact that it was from your lips they learned of the Tokyo Holy Grail War in the first place. Even now, you can hardly figure out just why you were so frank and honest in speaking with them. It's as if there was some potent spell hovering about Emiya which made you feel as if you were his true friend."That means these people were living in secret from my brother, and plotting against the Second Owner all along," Ayaka exclaims in indignant shock. "We never knew about any magus family called Emiya here! And then they have a Servant?" She slumps down heavily in her chair, suddenly spent by the outburst. "Oh my god," she moans, "just when I think I've come to terms with everything, it gets crazier." Ayaka sits back up, focusing on you. "I need some time to think about these Emiya people, alright, Saber-san? Since I also need to set up a new bounded field around the house, I'll be doing that now. You said you wanted to do some kind of training, right?""That's right," you answer placidly. One trick you've learned in your time as a student council president is that, when dealing with emotional teenagers, you should always project total calm yourself. It often has a stabilizing effect. "Please inform me when you are ready to discuss our next plans for the War.""Alright, Saber-san," Ayaka says softly. "Thanks again for being so understanding." With that, she gets up and heads out toward the front door. Although you have no experience with bounded fields yourself, you guess work has to be done on the perimeter to construct them, and she's heading into the garden for that purpose.>[ ] Go looking for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty)>[ ] Head out into the back yard and do some physical training to hopefully improve your raw power and speed. (Pride)>[ ] Go down to Vaisset's workshop and see what you can make of his notes. That synthetic transmutation research he mentioned sounded quite interesting... (Curiosity) >[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3574138>[ ] Go looking for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty)
It may take me forever to post an update, but at least I can say I don't skimp on length.
>>3574138>[ ] Go down to Vaisset's workshop and see what you can make of his notes. That synthetic transmutation research he mentioned sounded quite interesting... (Curiosity)
>>3574138>[ ] Go looking for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty)Fundamentals first.
>>3574138>[ ] Go looking for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty)Fuck yes, finally, the basics.
>>3574386Finally we can start trying to figure out how to do cool shit with our cloak like attack reflection.
>>3574138>[ ] Go down to Vaisset's workshop and take along his notes,afterwards look for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty/Curiosity)No reason why we can't take the notes to the library and study them along with the basics
>>3573951I'm glad you like it!I forgot to add BADASS Lancer dying in multiple hits>>3574138>[ ] Go looking for the Shijou library to broaden your magical knowledge and improve on the fundamental energy control Circe taught you. (Duty)Vaisset's research seems promising, but also pretty high-level, so we probably won't get far with it unless we have someone with us to help us understand them.
>>3573923>>3574969>Matsuda route>playing the hero route AFTER the villain route>needing to get info dumped again by Truvi, if she's even an ally. >having to kill Yumigawa with alternate timeline bro>dead ending about 15 times against grailed Yumigawa regardlessAt least it's not the Ogawara or Keiseki route. Though honestly repeating Rushorou's story in Akeldama seems pointless, the only thing that could be changed would be falling for the trap.Unless Rushorou went full on Seigi no Mikata and tried saving everyone, that would be entertaining.Personally though I think if we're gonna do a second run, Awakening is a good return point, just because most of the info-dumps have been done with.
>>3575400Y’know, sweets could just randomize the non-essential personnel. Different servants, different masters aside from the route-related ones (Truvi & maybe Kikuko).
>>3575407But then that's not a different route.It's an entirely different war.
>>3575413Yes, but keeping the narrative-important personnel is the only pertinent part from my POV. So what if Akeldama Saber turns into Charlemagne or something? Obviously, we still would want the war to be a fresh and at least marginally challenging experience.
>>3575421Because what you're suggesting completely obliterates the point of routes.
>>3575431Feh, perhaps you’re right. There’s probably a better way of ensuring difficulty and reducing the usefulness of meta knowledge.
>>3575438Meta knowledge isn't all that great considering True Saber is still going to beat the shit out of us and we've got no real plan on defeating her despite everyone in this thread knowing everything about her.And it can't be used in character anyway.Fucking Metaknowledge ruined us in Akeldama because everyone assumed Archer had a Fragarach Six-Shooter due to his status.
>>3575438We could get an easy-bake hardmode just by not having Caster, playing a Seigi no Mikata, and limiting the use of meta knowledge when making IC decisions. No Caster means vastly more limited recon, and acting IC as a Seigi no Mikata would deny us many of the unscrupulous but effective decisions we could make as Rushorou, like baiting out and decapitating Keiseki.
So what is your plan of action after training, folks? How do you intend to pursue the war, now that you have an idea of what Ayaka can (and can't) do?
>>3576181We’re going to need to seek out an alliance. How many servants to we have confirmed as against us? Rider, Saber, those cutscene servants..... limited options. Frankly, we’ll probably have to settle for the Emiyas.
>>3576200Or another master.
We should probably call Cromartie Tech and ask them about Matsuda to make sure Judas didn't lie to us about them surviving. If he didn't then time is on our side with Circe, Adelheid and Truvi.Until then we can use the help of Emiya family and betray them later when our help arrives.
>>3576200>>3576779Both of these, we should also probably mention the death toll of Akeldama but not the specifics to Ayaka.Suggesting she meet the Emiya's is probably our best bet.
>>3576181It's becoming increasingly clear that we can't win this Grail War without help. The question is who to ask for it.>>3576549I don't recommend that. Ayaka may not be terribly effective in combat, but the autonomy we have under her and the resources she has access to won't be easy to find in another Master.>>3576779This is a bad idea for multiple reasons, but primarily because it's founded on the incorrect assumption that Matsuda's presence means Truvi, Circe and Adelheid will be able and willing to help us.Truvi's not exactly our biggest fan. There's no way she's rushing to Tokyo to help us. If she gets involved in the Tokyo Grail War, it will be to steal a Servant and win in order to restore her image of herself as a top-quality mage. Any assistance we might receive from her would probably take the form of her murdering Ayaka, demanding that we contract with her, and running the war her way.Circe and Adelheid, though they would come running to our aid if possible, are probably gone for good. Judas only said that our connection would be able to sustain them in the real world. He gave no indication that they would be transferred to the real world rather than back to the Throne of Heroes, nor that the connection we shared would survive that transfer of it occurred.If Circe and Adelheid got brought back and were severed from us, it's uncertain if they found new Masters in time given how Adelheid guzzles mana and Circe may well have ended up on a remote Mediterranean island.I think it's highly unlikely that some system was in place that transferred them to the real world and attached them to the survivors of Akeldama. But betting on that small chance would mean we need to not just "check on" Matsuda but get into direct contact with all three Japanese survivors to see if any of them are attached to either of our Servants (Truvi could have one at most, so one of the others must have one if this is the case). We would be putting almost all of those we managed to save in danger with a very low chance of reward beyond knowing for certain only that our Servants aren't attached to the other survivors if they still live.
>>3577805>It's becoming increasingly clear that we can't win this Grail War without help.God, it hurts. It hurts to admit but you're so fucking right and I hate it.
>>3577805>Circe and Adelheid, though they would come running to our aid if possible, are probably gone for good.Peddle your blackpills somewhere else.We can win alone but that requires we just butcher anyone we even suspect of being a master, even attacking them during the day.Which is a genuinely awful idea, honestly.We should probably just team up with Medusa. Saber is 100 percent dead against Rider and pretty much any other Servant.
>>3577886>trying this hard to pretend that you're reluctant to work with the canon characters
>>3577921>working with canon characters to kill canon characters
>>3577923>also both of Rushorou's waifus are likely to be gone for good
>>3577926Isn't there a version with an agitated skeleton?
>When you get to kill more people for ultimate power
>the year is 2079>the entire playerbase has long since all become tripfags>our grandchildren use their ancestral tripcode and government assigned IP address to post>their only knowledge of type moon comes from F/GO, which is still going strongand by then we'll almost be halfway through our upcoming training montage at this update pace
>>3577921It's more of a pride thing.I don't wanna have to work with people to kill canon characters, or any characters.But it's seeming more and more like we're gonna HAVE to and that sucks.>>3577926Also yeah that continues to be the worst thing ever.
>>3577977It's always comforting that at the very least QM takes the time from his busy schedule to shitpost with us.It's unironically wonderful.
>>3577992Glad you get a kick out of it. I am trying to keep the updates coming as fast as I can, for what it's worth.>>3577923>>3577921You don't have to work with canon characters. It's one option, but there are others.
After finishing your breakfast, left to go cold during your conversation with Ayaka, you decide to have a look through the library she mentioned. If she's been able to use the texts there to learn how to be a magus in the absence of her parents, you can hopefully make use of it to improve your own abilities. That said, when you first went through the house after being summoned, there was nowhere in it that really fit the name of "library." After some consideration, you decide she was referring to a second-floor room adjacent to the office, which you'd initially dubbed a storeroom, and go upstairs to investigate its contents. Taking a look around, you see that it's it's quite a small area, perhaps the size of a bedroom, and windowless. All four walls are covered by bookshelves, with the only gap being for the door. In the center of the room four armchairs are arranged in semicircular fashion below an overhead light fixture. It's a far cry from the literary cathedral present in the Eighth Imperial University, but then perhaps this is the norm for private household libraries. Your family didn't have one, so you have no real frame of reference. Enough musing on the room's design. You walk the circle of shelves, scanning the books there. Many are unrelated to magic; there's a complete set of Homer, the Divine Comedy, the Aeneid, the Tale of Genji, and other classics, as well as a wide variety of books on the mythology of different peoples across the globe. This last set must have been purchased at some point after the Shijou were brought into the plan to conduct the Holy Grail War, you conclude. Besides the mundane texts, however, there is a selection of books on magic, divided into two very distinct types. One type is ostentatious, expensively bound in thick leather, with gold leaf titling spelling out names like Transcendental Principles of Elementalism or Introduction to Structural Energy Systems. These, you imagine, are something along the lines of textbooks used at that College of Magi which Edelfelt mentioned. The second type is more subdued, bound in the traditional Japanese style, and have tiny inked titles, all in the form of Records of Shijou no Tamanaga, Vol. 3, Journal of Shijou Reika, Book 7, and so-on. With such an opaque method of recording her family's inheritance of knowledge, you're not surprised Ayaka has had little success in teaching herself.Still, ignoring the annals of the Shijou family and focusing on the general texts does yield some promising results. After taking several books down from the shelves and easing back into one of the chairs, you decide to read...
>[ ] A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties, which seems to be a book about the way magic defines the world.>[ ] Forms of Power, a catalog of various sigils and geometric formations instrumental in ritual magic.>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.>[ ] Introduction to Structural Energy Systems, which deals with magic circuits, leylines, bounded energy fields, and related topics. >[ ] Look for something else (Write in what you seek, though I can't guarantee it's there)
Note: I'm actually online tonight, available to do multiple smaller updates like this one if votes come in relatively quickly.
>>3578286>>[ ] A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties, which seems to be a book about the way magic defines the world.
>>3578291>[ ] A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties, which seems to be a book about the way magic defines the world.
>>3578291>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.I want to get to Vaisset’s research ASAP
>>3578320>>3578291Meh, scratch that. Über basics first. >[ ] A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties, which seems to be a book about the way magic defines the world
>>3578291>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.This will be relevant to us no matter given our connection to Void, and it will also help us understand Vaisset's research.
>>3578330Now that I think about it, even though we've gotten the basics about how magic works, we don't really know much about it's relation to the world overall. Changing >>3578332 to >>3578330
>>3578291>[ ] A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties, which seems to be a book about the way magic defines the world
Point: I want to write an isekai quest in my original fantasy settingPoint: I also want to finish Alberich's story and write about what happens after the Tokyo Holy Grail WarQ:How can I reconcile these desires?A: Maybe after the Grail War, Zelretch hits Alberich with a kaleido-truck to make him another world's problem.Idle thoughts...
>>3578291>[ ] Transcendental Principles of Elementalism, which deals with applications of pure element control.Control thy power, then shape It as we see fit.
>>3578381Maybe, but only after we see the other three Rushorou servant routes. I want to go full guerilla with the Shadow, hoping for Independent action and just eating people to survive, spying on servants and masters and pouncing on folks and disappearing Into the night.I've noticed that no matter what type of servant we become, we should always have a few things to work with no matter what.Kenotis. No matter what class, I can see Kenotis being a constant, or a nigh constant If It has slightly changed properties for another class. It fits any of our classes well and was with us before, so It likely always will be with us as a stylish recognizable constant, and a constant reminder of and connection to Circe.Minds eye. The glove was also with us before, and Minds Eye would be an Important foundational tool to compliment any class.Inhuman physiology. The Akeldama turns us Into conceptual mush. I'm still not 100% certain what this means for us, but those kind of energies are going to put In us regardless of servant class.I know I really shouldn't be concerned with these far off things before this war has even truly begun, but I'm already hype for the next routes. I wonder how our goals will change If at all from playthrough to playthrough.
On a whim, you select a book titled A Treatise on Conceptual-Material Ties. Although you came here hoping to improve your combat abilities, this text catches your fancy by provoking your curiosity. Circe told you you had become a "conceptual being" back in the Akeldama, but you never really understood what that meant. Hopefully this book can enlighten you as to what conceptual really means in terms of magic. Although the book itself is full of confusing jargon, roundabout metaphor, accounts of tests and their results, and elaborate diagrams which are meaningless to you (they evidently refer to some other body of magical knowledge which you lack), you do manage to work out the essentials over the course of a few hours. What you learn is as follows:Anything in the world can be divided into material and conceptual components. Something existing purely in nature is an exclusively material existence, with no concept relating to it. Once it is observed by a sentient being, however, it gains a conceptual nature pertaining to the definition applied to it. Moreover, different objects have a different proportion of material to conceptual existence. A naturally occuring stone, for example, is far less conceptual than a chair, which is created in accordance with a pre-existing concept. At the far material end of this spectrum would be an object that has never been observed or imagined, and thus has no conceptual existence; while at the far conceptual end of this spectrum are gods, spirits, and other beings which derive their existence from magic. Magic itself is entirely conceptual, and it is through the study of magic that the effect that concepts have on the world was discovered. Magic, after all, is the conceptual recreation of naturally occurring mysteries, and affects the world on a conceptual basis. It might be thought, then, that magic can only alter people's perceptions of the world around them. That this is not the case proves that concepts affect their material base, just as materials affect the concepts derived from them. One popular example of the alteration of material by concept is the use of Reinforcement magic, whereby an object is altered in accordance with its conceptual purpose, rather than its material nature. Another is the use of Transference magic to shift a conceptual property of one object to another.
There are two schools of thought regarding this power of concept. The first is that the application of a conceptual nature induces an irrevocable change in the material object, and that once a concept becomes attached to an existence they become irrevocably intertwined, enabling the previously independent material nature to be altered by its concept. The other theory, which is something of a fringe idea, is that there is somewhere an omnipotent, omniscient sentience which constantly observes the entire universe, altering it in line with its own perception. Thus, when the concept of something is altered, it is this sentience's perception of the object that is being changed first, and then it forcibly alters the material world in such a way that it conforms with the being's perception. This idea is rejected by the majority of magi for obvious reasons.This brings us to the subject of conceptual beings and conceptual weapons: that is, gods, spirits, and their works. These are creatures which did not form as a part of the natural processes of the world, but instead came into existence as Mana did, and sustained their own existence by will and magic. They had no material basis, and were defined completely by the concepts which described them. There is a disagreement among magi whether this conceptual nature gave them greater facility with magic and power over the world, or their great facility with magic enabled them to maintain a conceptual nature. In either case, and for an unknown reason, these purely conceptual beings faced greater and greater resistance from the world in their manifestation over time. Eventually it seems to have reached a point at which they could not sustain an Earthly existence and so retreated to the Reverse Side of the World, where it is theorized that everything is purely conceptual. It's late afternoon when you finish reading, satisfied with your new understanding of your own existence and that of the world around you. Still, it does raise one rather odd question. If a conceptual being is something that formed as a pure concept, where does that leave you? You certainly remember living life as a mortal human, and by the definition laid out in the book that shouldn't be possible. No matter how much the Silver Grail changed you, it should only have been able to make you into a mostly conceptual entity with a material core, like a homunculus. And yet Circe, a former goddess herself, confirmed that you were an entirely conceptual entity. Although the question nags at you, the book makes no reference to a situation like yours; you'll have to find your answer some other time. For now you return to the living room, confident that Ayaka should have finished reestablishing her brother's bounded fields by now.
As expected, you find the girl sitting at the coffee table, drinking a cup of tea and looking contemplative. She looks up when you come in, but says nothing, so you take a seat opposite her and speak up. "So, Miss Ayaka, have you determined how you'd like to approach the Emiya subject? You seemed quite agitated by it this morning.""Not exactly, or, well, sort of," she says hesitantly. "Really, Saber-san, can we just wait and see? Maybe some other Master will deal with them first. I mean, I don't think we can get them to help us if they want to destroy the Holy Grail. It was my grandfather who established the Greater Grail in Tokyo, you know? But I don't want to fight someone who survived the last Grail War, either...""I suppose inaction can be a kind of resolution," you reply, "still-"Ayaka cuts you off. "Great, that's that then! Anyway, Saber-san, I thought of something much better while I was working on the bounded fields around the house; something that can actually help us win." Her mood seems to have bounced back quite a bit since this morning, as she's quite energetic all of a sudden. Whether it's honest excitement over her new idea or she's just doing an excellent job of faking cheer, you're not certain, but either way it's quite a change of pace from this morning."What would that be?""You remember the Shijou ritual sacrifices I was telling you about, right?""Yes," you say, "what about them?""Well, Mom used to tell me that it wasn't just to absorb the pigeons' energy. Augmenting our own Od with their life force is useful, but the enacted mystery also binds some part of their existence to the Shijou magic crest. That's why we can do things like call up the Black Wings, we're taking the part of them that's energy into the Shijou inheritance.""Very well then," you reply. "How can this be turned to our benefit?""Don't you see?" Ayaka pouts for a moment. "Servants are all energy, right? You're heroic spirits, extremely powerful familiars, that's why the command spells can bind you. But that also means a Servant is way more susceptible to the Shijou ritual sacrifice magic; both when taking power and being taken from. I'm saying that I think, when you kill an enemy Servant, I can activate this magic and send some of their powers to you!""Would it really be so simple as that," you ask skeptically. The idea of taking another Servant's power upon their death seems far-fetched.Ayaka considers for a moment, answering, "I'm not completely certain, but it would be worth a try. It's not like the pigeons were willing participants, and there was no ritual set up, just the power Mom channeled through the crest.""In that case, you have my agreement," you say with a nod. "Whether it proves successful or otherwise, we'd best make the attempt. The notion is too tempting a path of empowerment to ignore."
"Wonderful. But if we're going to try this," Ayaka says determinedly, "I think we should probably go looking for an enemy Servant tonight once it gets dark. If we wait on the defensive, the weak Servants will be defeated first, and we'll lose chances to power you up. What do you think, Saber-san?">[ ] Write in your suggested plan of action.
>>3578601Let's try to find Rider again. He seemed pretty dumb. Maybe swing by the school and see if he's prowling around the vicinity.
>>3578601RightOur options >Find Rider at the schoolProbably a bad idea because the cutscene implies he teamed up with another servant and he's sworn to secrecy. >Find SaberAwful idea, results in our death unless we get real lucky.>Go rooftop to rooftop looking for enemies downtown. Probably our best course of action, an unknown enemy is preferable to certain death facing a known one. Just remember to flee if we see SaberOur current best matchup would be Berserker unless Berserker isn't berserk or is Heracles tier bullshit as our NP should allow for victory in a single slash.
>>3578601Hunting: Take Two.Our lack of information about the others whereabouts is discouraging, but it seems like the only way forward.If any better plans appear I'm all ears, but for now we can only hit the streets and hope we dont get ganked again.I'd like to avoid hunting specifically for servants we already know though.
>>3578713I'd also like to attempt to speak about the Emiyas with her further and of the horrors a grail war can bring.As the Second Owner she sort of has to go and meet them eventually regardless.
>>3578713I say we follow Rider after school. Or suggest that Ayaka use some spell to use pigeons as surveillance. We gotta get a intel network up and running again.If she can't use them as surveillance familiars in a similar way to her brother, could she search through their memories after first sending them to the school and other suspicious areas that Vaisset had already identified. Kinda like watching a recording. With this method they'd be less detectable too.
>>3578600Wouldn't her proposed energy drain idea essentially be stealing energy from the Grail when a servant is killed?
>>3579654Who gives a shit, at this point fucking with holy grails is a character trait.
>>3579704>Who gives a shitWe probably should, we don't want to win this war only to get cucked out of our wish again.
>>3579707There's a spare servant around anyway if worst comes to worst and there's not enough power for the damn thing.And good luck to Shirou and friends if we've been massively empowered by stealing powers.
>>3578601From what I gather of the votes the general consensus seems to be>Have more scouting be done via birds and by going rooftop to rooftop looking for them down town I might also throw in the plan of making a quick visit to the Emiyas to see if they had found anything out themselves during our time spent. Possibly get in some extra training with them, and have some more fucking delicious Shirou Emiya homecooking
>>3580363>Have more scouting be done via birdsShe can do that?
>>3580377Her magic has a tenuous link to birds, it's not too far of a stretch.
>>3581871I think you're misunderstanding, anon. It's not bird magic, it's magic tied to the specific things that have been sacrificed by the Shijou in the past. She can call up the feathers of past sacrifices, but that's only physical. The energetic component of their lives has long-since been consumed. Bird ghost scouts are unavailable.
>>3581900>Bird ghost scouts are unavailable Dream Crusher: EX
>Put out a whole new potential way to get new powers last update.>Ayaka can't summon bird ghosts, though>Dream Crusher EXorz
>>3581909I guess some people are never happy.
>>3581909Ah, that’s how it is. If men’s wants were satisfiable, we wouldn’t even be poasting on this forum
>>3581900Nah they're living birds, they fly around inconspicuously in areas of our choosing. Then she kills them and uses that energy to view their memories
>>3582196>Then she kills themAnon...
>>3581909What if I want power-absorbing ghost bird scouts, Sweets?What then?insert joke about "Circe is an energy-draining bird that can scout with Magecraft"
>>3582727God I miss her.
Ayaka route flag when?
>>3583850no u, QM literally posted yesterday, smoothbrain.What's with this shitposter influx rn?
>>3583802How needs bird waifu when you birb goddess?Oh wait...We don't HAVE birb goddess anymore.F
>>3583885>F>implyingIf any servant could survive the end of Akeldama, it's Caster. And hell, for somebody empowered by 7 servants we're kinda weak aren't we?Possible she siphoned some power off of us as it all ended.
>>3583921I wonder how many servants we're gonna have to DEEP SUCC to be proper level for this event.
>>3583921It takes a lot of energy to cross the non-Servant/Servant barrier.
So I see 2 people suggesting scouring rooftop-to-rooftop, 2 people suggesting hunting Rider. Does anybody want to develop on the ideas?
>>3584000I know.>>3584006Fuck it as I can change the result of the vote lets watch Rider from a distance and see where he goes and engage him if he's aloneand get killed by Archer sniping us.
>>3584006We've got no clues to work with to know even a vague location for any of the Servants.
>>3584052>Rider goes to school>Mysterious burned houses in the suburbs>Mysterious downtown bad luck>A major character who followed you around last time you went outside, and another one who said he'd look forward to watching your performance.No clues, huh?
>>3584055I don't really want to bring our Master into an unknown situation but I suppose checking the burned houses out couldn't hurt.I'll vote for that if I can get anyone else on board.
>>3578601Investigate the burned houses.
>>3584159I have no idea.
>>3584199Oh well fuck itLets go back to pursuing Rider.
Disregard my posts, they were metagaming and I suck cocks.
Rolled 2 (1d2)1. Fire2. RiderIt's been tied long enough.
What do you think, huh? You consider it for a long while, mulling over the information at your disposal. There's the strange spate of accidents that Vaisset observed downtown still to be investigated, for a start. It could, of course, have been no more than a ruse by Harris, bait for the trap that you sprung by your arrival with Vaisset, but that notion seems incongruous. In the first place, the timing seemed wrong. The phenomenon observed by Vaisset's familiars was in the dead of night, whereas Harris' attack on you was just after sunset. Then there's the fact that if there was some phenomenon causing misfortune, it wasn't in effect when he did strike. If Harris had used some wide-area curse to affect the luck of the populace and draw in enemy Masters with the commotion, it would make sense for him to use that same curse against you and Vaisset to weaken you before attacking. Yet you were the victim of no suck curse. No, all things considered the more likely explanation is that Harris and Vaisset both unobserved the phenomenon and independently chose to investigate it, running across one another by chance; then Harris, being a professional killer, quickly seized that chance to eliminate an enemy. This leaves the source of the accidents downtown unresolved.Then there is the other strange phenomenon sighted by Vaisset's familiars, an apparent outbreak of arson in residential homes. Although Vaisset died before he could give you more details on this subject, the emergence of a new violent trend coinciding with the beginning of the Holy Grail War paints a clear picture of interference by a Master. Perhaps one of this war's Servants is empowered by destruction, as Rider was, or perhaps a Master is simply seeking to supplement his Servant's mystic energy by means of hunting. Either way, you're confident that an enemy lies at the end of that trail.Then there are the others you've encountered thus far in the War: Liliesviel von Einzbern, with her strange attendants possessing mystic energy more than human and less than that of a Servant; and Rider, shepherding his student Master to and from Kyoutenkan Academy. Both of them offer paths to an improved War situation for you. Regarding Liliesviel, you're confident that someone with the resources to construct a magic-suppressing limousine can surely conduct the necessary reconnaissance to locate the War's weakest Servant and facilitate your eliminating them for power. If you were to pursue that road, it's possible you could draw Liliesviel to you again by going out alone and, having done so, make use of her misconception about your identity to gain an ally.
Rider, on the other hand, seems to be a possible target. He's certainly the most volatile of the participants in the War you've thus far encountered, and his mystic energy was less potent than that other Saber's. The way he flew into a rage at your refusal of a deal sticks in your mind; it would no doubt be easy to use that emotional instability in a fight, but there is the question of finding him. Unless his Master is a member of one of Kyoutenkan's athletic clubs and present for weekend practice, or a member of the student council, you're without a lead on Rider's present location. After considering all the options available, you decide to follow up on the chance of a fight with Rider, even if it is a slim one. There are too many unknown factors involved in courting Liliesviel's affections, and even more in searching out the source of the arson or the downtown accidents. Of all these relative unknowns, Rider is the closest to a known quantity."I believe that our best course at the moment would be pursuing Rider, the Servant I encountered at your high school," you say. "Is there any possibility for students to be present over the weekend, Miss Ayaka?""We~ll," Ayaka draws out the syllable as she replies, considering her answer. "The student council comes in on the weekend to work, of course. And the athletic clubs have practice; some all weekend, some just on Saturdays. I think a couple cultural clubs have weekend events too, but I'm not sure about details.""There is a chance at least, then," you declare. "We should visit now, before the clubs' practice comes to an end, and see whether or not Rider is skulking about. If he is there, we'll have our target. If not, we'll have a clue to the identity of his Master.""What?" Ayaka raises her voice, incensed by the suggestion. "Saber-san, are you forgetting the rules of magi? There can't be any witnesses, remember? We have to fight at night!""Of course I recall your laws," you say in a placating tone. "We needn't attack Rider as soon as we arrive. I would be happy to shadow the enemy until after sunset. The point is simply that your school is our only point of contact. If we want to eliminate Rider, at whatever time, we'll need to find him there."Ayaka blushes in embarrassment as she realizes her mistake. "Oh, right, that's what you meant," she says haltingly. "That's fine, then. But are you sure you can beat this Rider Servant, Saber-san?"You can't help but smile at her words, thinking of the way fights that seemed certain twisted before your eyes in the Akeldama. "Miss Ayaka, no fighter can be sure of victory unless he's lying to himself," you say. "That said, he is the weaker of the two Servants I've seen since being summoned, and I am confident in my skill with a blade. I promise you victory, Ojou-sama."Ayaka's flush deepens at your teasing. "Hey, come on," she protests, "I already told you not to call me that!"
"I'm not sure you were being honest," you reply with a smirk. "According to the information on the modern era that I received from the Holy Grail, being waited on and lavished with titles or terms of endearment is a poppular fantasy among young ladies." You lean across the table, catching her chin up in your hand. "Are you sure you wouldn't like to be called Ojou-sama? If you ask me humbly, I wouldn't mind acting the part of a model butler for you.""Hmph!" Ayaka pulls away from you and gets to her feet, beet red. "I can hardly believe my brother summoned a Servant as black-hearted as you!" You fail to suppress a chuckle at her expression. After going through your experience in the Akeldama you're relatively used to seeing beautiful girls, but Ayaka's embarrassed expression is a combination of adorable and humorous that really works on you. Still, you can't play around with her all afternoon, and if you push things too far you might actually run the risk of alienating your Master, which would be a shame. You stand up and stretch, reminded of the time by the dimming afternoon light. "Whatever you'd like to be called," you say languidly, "we ought to be going now, if we want a chance of catching Rider at your school. I can't imagine these athletic clubs practice into the night.""No, they don't," Ayaka says. "I guess we should get going."There is, however, the question of how you should make the trip. You decide to...>[ ] Go on foot, the same way as before. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Go over the rooftops, prioritizing speed. (Pride)
Note: I'm online this evening, so I should be able to update once or twice more.
>>3586984>[ ] Go on foot, the same way as before. (Self-Preservation)Rooftop travel is too likely to be seen by normals in Daytime.
Then again, walking would likely give them more prep time. Did Vaisset have a car?
>>3587007>Did Vaisset have a car?It's still at the parking garage, remember? He drove you there, got killed, and then you were teleported back by command spell.
The risk with walking is the possibility of practice ending and Rider going home with his Master.
>>3587015Will, there goes that plan...
>>3586984Guess I'll go back to walking then.
>>3586984>Go on foot
>>3586897Don't go making me feel sympathetic towards Saber, though it's understandable for us.
>>3586984>[ ] Go over the rooftops, prioritizing speed. (Pride)
>>3586984>[ ] Go on foot, the same way as before. (Self-Preservation)We really shouldn't be running across rooftops in the daylight. Too much risk of being seen.
This business with copying Servants' existences reminds me of something.
>>3586984>[ ] Go on foot, the same way as before. (Self-Preservation)Yeah, not In the day-time. It'd be a bad risk.Just hustle.
>>3587483Yeah, I'm really original.
>>3587514...not in that way, but sure
>>3587584>not in that wayI read it as you saying this power was similar to Shirou's ability to project NPs, so made a crack about the idea that I was recycling his powers for you. What did you mean?
>>3587589I thought you knew about Unlimited Bla Gae Bolg Gandr Works Excalibur
"Well then," you say, "let's go," and walk past Ayaka out of the house. As you pass her, you briefly entertain the notion of picking Ayaka up in a princess carry and going over the rooftops to get to Kyoutenkan Academy as quickly as possible, but soon dismiss the idea as ridiculous. Ayaka only just now reminded you of how seriously magi take their code of secrecy, after all. Instead, she hurries to follow and the two of you walk to her school side-by-side, much as you did yesterday morning. At first you walk in silence, admiring the tree-lined street and manicured gardens of the rich houses as you pass, but after a few minutes Ayaka speaks up. "So, Saber-san," she begins."Yes?""Well, what's your plan for finding Rider and his Master, exactly? I get that you think they might be at school, but what then?"You shrug casually. The answer, you feel, should really be obvious to her. "All we have to do," you answer, "is pass by the school, Miss Ayaka. As my Master, you can feel the presence of other Masters in your command spell, and I can similarly detect the presence of Servants. If they are at the school, we'll feel them as we pass by. Otherwise, we'll keep walking and return to the manor.""Oh," she says, giving you a relieved smile. "So it's that simple! I was worried you were going to try and infiltrate the school or some ridiculous thing like that.""Nothing so extreme," you reassure her. It isn't long before the two of you have reached the front gate of Kyoutenkan. Sure enough, you can feel the presence of Rider farther back on the property, doubtless accompanying his Master on the field, in spirit form. At the same time as you detect his presence, Ayaka says, "I think this is the reaction you were talking about, Saber-san. My command spells started to sting when we got close to the school.""That's it," you say quietly. "The Servant is here too, and moving towards us. Get behind me."Ayaka retreats behind your back as you take a defensive posture, ready to react if Rider materializes in mid-attack. To your relief, however, when he appears it's in the same casual clothing as before. He hails you with an open smile and a big, friendly wave."Hey, Saber, you're back," the blonde Servant exclaims. "Ready to take me up on that duel now?""As a matter of fact, yes," you answer grimly. "I have come to dispatch you, Rider. That said, there'll be no fighting in daylight, so at the moment I am here only to wait.""Just what I expected," he says. The friendly grin doesn't slip, in spite of your words. "Why don't you and your Master, or maybe I should say Mistress, come and watch the practice? Not much for entertainment, but it's better than standing here on the street. The sun'll be setting inside an hour anyway."You're struck dumb for a moment, baffled by the offer. "You don't mind my seeing your Master, when you have his identity a secret now?"
Rider answers with a shrug. "You'll see his face when we fight anyway, right? I'm not fool enough to take on a Servant and a magus together without my Master to step in with a command spell if need be. Since you have the 'no witnesses' rule, I know you're not likely to jump out and kill him out of the blue.""I suppose you have a point," you say. "Well then, Miss Ayaka? Shall we wait here, or inside Kyoutenkan?""It doesn't really matter either way," Ayaka says distantly, "but I guess we can go wait by the field, so we can sit down.""In that case, it seems we are decided." You nod towards the gate. "Lead on, Rider."As he leads you around the school building and to the athletic fields, you pass the track, the soccer field, and other facilities without slowing. Finally he comes to a stop by the baseball field, fading from view as he says, "my Master is among the boys practicing there. Kindly wait in the bleachers, and once the rest have finished their practice we can have our duel."Sure enough, there are bleachers available for you to sit, and a few scattered groups of fans are already sitting and watching the practice sessions. For the baseball club's true supporters, evidently, Saturday practice is as good as a match. You and Ayaka find a relatively isolated spot and sit down, watching the groups of boys running, pitching, and batting, and you scan the group for the student master. Unsurprisingly, it isn't long before the telltale red mark catches your eye. What is surprising is the identity of the person bearing it. He's Kajiwara Haruo, a hostile hothead you've had to tolerate for the last three years, and a more unlikely candidate to be a magus you can't imagine. Kajiwara is one of those people who can't keep his relationships off his face. He used to shoot you dirty looks every time he saw you, and campaigned with maniacal zeal for a raised budget and longer practicing hours for the baseball club at every chance he got. Whether his hatred for you stemmed from his disappointed ambitions for his club, or he intentionally fought you in the student council because he resented you for some other reason, you aren't sure. Either way, though, his unpleasantness was sufficient for him to make a strong impression on you. To think that meathead was a magus all along... it's enough to convince you that miracles really will never cease.
For miraculous reasons or otherwise, the sun sinks below the horizon as you watch the athletes practice. Not long after that, they're clearing out; going inside to shower and change into street clothes, and coming back out as new men, refreshed and ready for home. The spectators scatter too, dispersing with the end of physical exertion to watch. Only you, Ayaka, and Kajiwara remain on or near the baseball field, and once he realizes that Kajiwara drops the pretense of batting practice. He looks at you hard as his Servant manifests behind him, and says, "Saber, huh? Why did you want to watch me practice, anyway?""It was the choice of my Master," you say deferentially, and Kajiwara's gaze snaps to her."And you are?" The question comes out curt and dismissive."A girl in my second year, senpai," Ayaka says with a sarcastically perfect curtsy. "I can hardly blame you for not recognizing me, although I know you well enough."He shakes his head. "No, I know you. You're Shijou. The Second Owner, or the daughter of the Second Owner, or however the politics in your family work you're tied to managing the magi in Tokyo, right?""Only this area of Tokyo," Ayaka says placatingly. "The entire metropolis is much too big for one family to oversee.""Yeah, yeah," Kajiwara shoots back, sounding tired and resentful. "Doesn't really matter anyway. Not like I ever wanted to be a magus and deal with that hierarchical crap. Alright, Rider, let's see if you can beat this guy.""As you command, Master." As a wave of shimmering energy washes over him, Rider's casual clothing is replaced by the colorful silk and velvet suit of a medieval courtier. Not much of an improvement on his previous clothing in terms of practicality. The sword he carries is another thing altogether, though; it's a long bastard sword, golden hilted with a large ruby set in the pommel. Even from yards away you can see the perfect edge on it, and the thickness of the blade speaks to durability as well. It's a sword that seems to call out for ornately cast plate armor, lending incongruity to Rider's appearance. In fitting with his casual attitude, Rider carries no sheath. Instead he rests the naked blade on his shoulder, holding the sword in his right hand alone.
Answering his readiness, you leap down from the bleachers to stand in the center of the baseball field with Rider, materializing your own armor and drawing your sword to match Rider. You even call out your helmet, though the ostentatious design (a white enameled steel lion's head fully enclosing your own, with holes to see out of set at the lion's eyes and golden ornaments encrusting all of the form's highlights) still embarrasses you. As the two of you stand face to face, five meters apart, you consider the path to victory. Reading his stance and judging from his character thus far, you decide to...>[ ] Strike first!(Pride)>[ ] Exercise caution; let him attack first so you can counter the strike. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)Whichever option you choose, add all the details of your battle strategy that come to mind.
>>3587695>Exercise caution; let him attack first so you can counter the strike. (Self-Preservation)I think our regular strategy will be to drag out a battle to milk Mind's Eye as much as we can.Now, being a Rider, he'll likely pull out his mount, get on it and try to chop us down with that sword (probably once ceremonial).His medieval clothes and bastard sword make me think he was a famous nobleman (he'd probably have actual armor if he was a king, since they tend to be renowned for their martial prowess), so his mount is likely to be a warhorse.In any case, we should try to catch him in Kenotis, but avoid showing any tells that it could defend us. If we play our cards right we could kill Rider right here.
>>3587739You seem to have forgotten we have Lückescwhert now.We should be able to trick him into getting cut in two if he tries to block a strike.
>>3587744I haven't forgotten.I just want to keep that card close to our chest as long as we can feasibly hide it. I'll bet you a fiver that chick who threatened Kajiwara is watching us right now.
>>3587747Kenotis fucks the entire war if a servant falls through it.They can't go to the grail and we also can't steal their power. We should Jape him into attacking Kenotis and losing his sword though before stabbing him in the heart, at least.
>>3587751>Kenotis fucks the entire war if a servant falls through it.>They can't go to the grail and we also can't steal their power.We know nether of these possibilities.
>>3587752Anon it's a fairly obvious thing.If you send your opponent to a different plane of reality then the war is fucked.And do you really want to put that to the test?
>>3587766I know that's probably what would happen, just saying that we don't know for certain.
>>3587695>[ ] Strike firstI doubt he'd be able to kill us in one strike, and I have no doubt if we charged at him he'd match our assault.If we are stronger than him, that's great.If we are put on the backfoot we have a variety of tools to turn the tables if he tries to press any advantage he gains.
>>3587751A: We could deactivate it halfway through and leave half of him out, so his soul would still go to the Grail.B: Even if we fuck up there's still the hope of figuring out Conversion and making our cloak go backward, although I wouldn't be confident about this either.
>>3587695Mock his appearance, get him pissed
>>3587838Nah, that would be too obvious. However, we should try to frustrate him by putting on an air of nonchalance; make him feel that we see him as somebody beneath us(which we do).
>>3587852What really pisses him off is acting like a dishonorable pragmatist
>>3587695>[ ] Strike first!(Pride)With both of our NPs active, we just need one solid blow.
>>3587899>just dump everything on him at once lol
>>3587986He's not ready for it man
I'm a bit surprised that our protagonist has no ability or skill related to suckerpunching since it was pretty central to our time in Akeldama.
>>3588200Taking the enemy by surprise is in how you use your skills, not the skills themselves. Your powerset in Akeldama was head-on martial arts, and your current powers are equally useful for surprise attacks.Also, I had more underhanded powers in mind if you'd gone for one of the other classes, but Saber is pretty much the most straightforward Servant.
>>3588200Sucker-punching is something that requires no skill or ability.
>>3587609Nah, I haven't seen that image before. Is it from the FSN manga, or a doujin work?
A soft breeze sweeps across the ballfield, ruffling your cloak and making you grateful for the fur that lines your armor's interior. It carries the icy bite you'd expect from January, not the softer cold of November, and foretells the coming winter. The grass between you and Rider, though, is clipped too short to sway in the chill wind. You take a martial stance, left foot drawn back with your blade leveled at the enemy before you in your outstretched right hand. In your left hand you grip the inner lining of [i]Kenótis[/i], ready to bring the cloak up as a shield."Where is your armor, Rider," you call. "Surely you don't intend to face me with only that blade for protection!"Rider smiles at the question. Then, worse, he breaks into laughter! "I may need armor to face an army, Saber, but this isn't such a chaotic situation," he declares mirthfully. "Only cowards and fools hide behind armor in single combat!" He gives his sword an experimental swing, still grinning widely. "Of course, you're welcome to prove me wrong. If you think this holy sword of mine is insufficient for defense, please! Try to pass it."You grind your teeth together, and rage begins to color your thoughts. First your humiliation at the hands of that girl-knight, and now this? Being openly mocked by this slight, boyish man? What is it with these sword-wielders and their attacks on your pride? This time, there will be no further humiliation!Like a shot from a cannon, you spring forward, kicking off from your left foot and bringing your sword around in a horizontal splash to decapitate Rider. His blade needs only the slightest motion to be in place to block the cut, but that's no barrier to your sword. As you strike, you call, "Sever, [i]Lückeschwert[/i]!"[b]CLANG![/b]To your shock, Rider's blade successfully blocks your killing strike, seeming almost to bend around [i]Lückeschwert[/i]'s blade before stopping it. The force sends Rider hurtling backwards, but he keeps his feet and maintains his stance."That sword's meant to destroy the enemy's equipment, isn't it?" Rider's smug look doesn't falter after taking your attack. In fact, he looks triumphant. "Bad luck for you to be facing me, then. This blade of mine will last 'til the end of the world!">[ ] If you can't destroy his sword, that only means you have to beat him the old-fashioned way! Keep on the offensive and get around his guard. (Pride)>[ ] Putting yourself at risk with further offense is too dangerous. Back off and wait for him to show weakness.>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3588586>[ ] Putting yourself at risk with further offense is too dangerous. Back off and wait for him to show weaknessDamnation, the sword is invincible. Looks like we'll have to bait him into Kenótis
>>3588586Your ID seems to have changed.>[ ] Putting yourself at risk with further offense is too dangerous. Back off and wait for him to show weakness.I wonder what happens if we don't so much as destroy it, as we do send it to a different place totally.
Ah, choice 2 should be (Self-Preservation) by the way.
>>3588586>[ ] Putting yourself at risk with further offense is too dangerous. Back off and wait for him to show weakness.
>>3588601>Your ID seems to have changed.I adapted to my busier schedule by posting this one from my phone. Forgot about the ID restriction on formatting.
>Update happens before I post my planAw. And now we've gone and revealed what Lückeschwert can do. Damn.>>3588586>Indestructible swordGuess we're dealing with Durandal. Fuck. Looks like we're taking on Roland.>[ ] If you can't destroy his sword, that only means you have to beat him the old-fashioned way! Keep on the offensive and get around his guard. (Pride)His sword is longer, so if we want to win this, we should get inside his guard. Mind's Eye (True) should help us read his blocks and attacks. He refuses to wear armor, so we should take advantage of that by using the unarmed skills Matsuda taught us. Something tells me his face isn't as tough as his blade. Don't hesitate to grab, punch, kick, elbow, knee, or whatever we can do to hurt, get a hold of, or immobilize him. If he pulls out a horn, don't let him blow it.>>3588595Durandal is indestructible. We'd have to bait the whole damn thing into Kenótis, and there's just no reason to wait for that opportunity considering what he could have at his disposal. We have an advantage in that he has a set of expectations about himself and how single combat should be conducted.Roland died in part because he was too proud to call for help in time for it to arrive. We can and should take advantage of that and his expectations about how single combat should be conducted.>>3588601We'd have to send the whole sword. It's indestructible, so it won't be cut anytime soon.
>>3588681Oh well.Switching to support you.
>>3588681Also we haven't revealed what Lückescwhert can do, as far as Roland knows, it's specifically a weapon breaker than can sunder weapons. Not many people expect somebody to be wielding a tear in space.
>>3588681>>Update happens before I post my planSorry about that, ID. I'm trying to readjust my posting schedule after the lackluster pace this thread.
>>3588586>[ ] If you can't destroy his sword, that only means you have to beat him the old-fashioned way! Keep on the offensive and get around his guard. (Pride)Hell's bells, ID out here beinh reasonable and shit. Switchin >>3588595 to pride
Man, we're really dragging the title of "Saber" through the mud...
>>3588586>mfw his sword specifically counters ours>>3588681I agree with ID-Lock. Save using our cloak as a melee tool or shield for a dire situation though.
>>3588841N-no.We're a good servant dammit.
>>3588841In terms of jobbing or in terms of being a dishonorable cunt?Don't answer that.
>>3588863It was partially my fault for falling asleep and not voting to give him the first strike so whatever.
IF we win this fight, Alberich is going to have a Keiseki-tier fit isn't he?
>>3588877Anon, in terms of jobbing we are being the perfect representative of the Saber class.We're so good we jobbed to THE jobber.We're a very good Saber in that regard.The only bigger jobber is Siegfried, who is defeated by his own feelings.
>>3588877A little bit of both, mostly the latter, for charging headlong into the enemy like a dummy and what we're about to do.
Let's not do this against Saber, I want to out-knight her.
There were like 400 times in the Archer vs Lancer fight in FSN when one of them charged in and got blocked. How does doing that once make you a jobber?
>>3588911>nothing this sword cannot cut>except this thingBut you're right, we need to charge in FIVE HUNDRED times to be a real jobber.
>>3588911I mean, at least we're not Lancer, who has both of his Gae Bolg uses fail.For no reason at all in Saber's case as well.>*LUCK ROLL LOL*I'm still madAt least he deals some major damage to Archer with the throw and Archer actually has a way to block it.
>>3588921It's the immovable object vs the unstoppable forceUnfortunately for the unstoppable force, the immovable object is probably A-Rank so it wins out.
>>3588921Well, you know, I couldn't just make it easy on you.
>>3588908I too wish to out-knight Saber, but we need to get stronger in general before we can do such a thing.
Question!Why not mentally tell Ayaka to fuck up the enemy master?
>>3588908>Let's not do this against SaberShe actually has armor, so the punching and kicking wouldn't be much use anyway. Assuming that you're referring to ID's suggestion, anyway.
>>3588965Yeah, punching Saber would never work....
>>3588977Have you spent your entire life training in the mountains to become a living weapon?
>>3588985Not personally, no.I was just joking anyway.I was originally gonna post something along the lines of "not unless we get A+ strength in the next few days or something" but then I recalled her tremendous jobbing.
>>3588945We should read up on chivalry after this fight.
Status Updated, by the way. I couldn't add it in the last update since I wasn't home.
>>3588994>"AYAKA I REQUIRE THE USE OF THE INTERNET, WHICH THE HOLY GRAIL HAS INFORMED ME IS A THING, OBVIOUSLY."I mean, not really a common subject to study so I doubt that her mansion's library has any books on it.Who knows though?I also doubt that Ayaka has an actual computer, honestly.So... Internet Cafe?
>"One needn't trust an ally of convenience, M. Vaisset," you say with a smirk. "One shouldn't assume every knight is King Arthur, either. We are only men with swords, as prone to evil as any others. Since we are on the subject, how would you like me to fight? I am capable of either chivalry or deception, according to your preference."Aside from your one remark to that other Saber, you haven't really been acting the part of an honorable knight or pretending that your legend was as one. Certainly your namesake wasn't chivalrous in the slightest.
>>3589010>"One shouldn't assume every knight is King Arthur, either."This didn't age well.
>>3589015I'd already decided on the Servant roster at that time.
>>3589020Yeah I know that was probably the case but it's still hilarious.I was the anon that guessed at Saber's appearance due to the route.
>>3588951If she can't hurt a dove, I doubt she'll be able to hurt a human, let alone a schoolmate.>>3588996So Roland can take more hits than us, but he isn't quite as strong. If we keep him off his mount and don't let him blow that goddamn horn, we might have a chance at winning. Inb4 horn blow vengeance curse on death because fuck usAlso>4 inches shorter than Alberich>16kg heavier>BMI of 30, should be obeseThis seems... off.
>>3589046Ah, thanks for pointing that out. I typo'd; he's 75KG, not 95.
Faced with a setback of this kind, your rage cools, solidifying into an icy hate. Twice, now, Rider has insulted you, and you will tear him apart for it. If he wants to meet you on the defensive, fine! You'll prove the depth of his inferiority by slaughtering him like an animal in spite of the indestructible "holy sword" of which he's so proud! But you can't rush in without a plan, as you did a moment ago. Letting your emotions take hold was foolish. Instead, you take the moment while your passion has cooled and analyze Rider in detail.In the space of a breath, time seems to slow to a crawl as you survey the potential outcomes of the battle with the mind's eye. At first you'd expected Rider to have an inferior reach to yourself, as he's a few inches shorter, but the longer blade more than makes up for it. Regardless of his abilities as a fighter or powers as a heroic spirit, if he can keep you at a distance Rider will have the advantage. With the use he can make of distance in mind, you realize he might have exaggerated the force of your last attack by leaping back with the impact. It's a trick you'll have to be wary of.From his reaction time when defending against your slash, doubt he possesses either the precognitive instincts which warned that other Saber of the danger to be found in Kenótis or the ability to read attacks as you do. This is a for limited to reaction when defending. He is also an unarmored man, vulnerable to the kind of hand-to-hand fighting you made such fine use of in Judas' Akeldama.With these factors in mind, you decide to close the distance rapidly, getting inside the range of his unwieldy bastard sword and taking him down while he's unable to defend himself properly. If he retreats, you can force him back against the school building to close him off. You exhale, and the long moment comes to an end as your mental time resumes its normal flow. In the temporary stillness, Rider speaks up again, calling smugly, "Saber, I should tell you that if you're standing there trying to go on the defensive, it'll do you no good. You, who insulted my defense as insufficient without armor, will have to be the one to come and prove your claim."This time it's your turn to grin back. "Oh, you misunderstand me, Rider," you announce, spreading your arms expansively. "I was merely savoring the moment. You see, during our clash just now I gauged your strength and speed; and I must tell you: you are slow and you are weak. Your abilities are altogether lackluster! In fact, you may just be the weakest swordsman I've ever fought! But don't let that discourage you, Rider. Take up arms all the same, and struggle for your life!"
Without giving him the chance to answer, you spring forward again in a carbon copy of your first attack. You repeat your movements with clockwork precision, ensuring that even without the necessary skill Rider can read your attack and move to counter it. Sure enough, he brings his blade down in a diagonal slash from the shoulder, timed to intercept you before your blade can reach him. Just before it strikes, you plant your right foot and stop dead, then reverse your forward momentum into a pirouette, spinning left to evade his strike and convert your own slash into its inverse, now coming in backhand and from the right. The moment when your back is turned is the crux of the attack: a test of Rider's agility. If he's faster than you are, he'll be able to react and strike at your back, but if his speed is no greater than your own he'll be unable to do more than block.It goes perfectly. Rider gets his sword, gripped in his right hand, into position to block your slash at the last second, but the clash of blades breaks his guard wide open, his right arm knocked back into parallel with his chest. You thrill at the sight, as he's now vulnerable. You grab his sword arm by the wrist, leveraging your superior strength to keep the blade well away from you, and drive Lückeschwert through his gut! Then, with a flick of your arm, you cut through his side to bring it out and, adding insult to injury, plant an armored boot in his gut as you drop him. Rider goes down like the proverbial sack of potatoes. He'll be dead soon enough.'For all his bravado, he wasn't much,' you remark to Ayaka, communicating through your mental link. 'Do you need to do any kind of preparations for your power absorption ritual?'Her nervous voice resounds in your mind, the gentle tone helping draw you back from the murderous high you tend to ride during battle. 'No, er, yes, I mean. I did the preparations already, while you were fighting. Once he dies, you just need to say "I accept this sacrifice," and his life energy should flow into you.'That's convenient, then. You step forward to watch the body, so you can be ready at the moment he dies, when an irritating teenage voice interrupts your moment of triumph. It's Kajiwara, and he says in a furious tone, "Rider, you made me a promise! I know that's not enough to finish you off, so get up and kill him!" The command spell on the back of his hand flashes, in the darkness, and to your shock the dying Rider actually does move. Slamming his hand into the ground while lying face-down in his own blood, he propels himself into the air as if jumping, and lands on his feet beside his Master. Then, infuriatingly, he dusts himself off to reveal that his wound has vanished.
"Fwough! That was seriously dangerous for a minute there!" Despite his near-death at your hands, Rider sounds as cheery now as he did when he first greeted you. "Nice work, Haruo," he says, patting the youth on the shoulder. "Now," he turns to you, "let's put a proper end to this." Realizing he's about to unleash some new ability, you leap forward to attack Rider, but before you can he grabs his Master and hops into the air, raising one foot over the other as if mounting an invisible horse. As it turns out, that's just what he's doing; a black destrier, wearing a bridle of solid gold, appears beneath the two in a shimmer of silver light, just as your own armaments do, and in the next moment Rider and his Master blur into movement. The horse and its riders move almost too fast for you to see, their speed far surpassing what Rider was previously capable of, and they're once more on the opposite side of the ballfield from you in a moment."Now then, Saber," Rider calls from 20 meters away, "let's finish this like knights, shall we? At least I will, though it seems you lack the proper mount!" He gently sets his Master back down on the ground once more before calling out, "old friend Brigliadoro let us charge!"Status UpdatedNo great mass of power moves toward you. In fact, the horse barely seems to have added to Rider's presence. His speed, however, is now far beyond your own. You have the barest moment to observe that he's coming in with sword outstretched to cut you down from above, and react. In the last moment before Rider's blade strikes off your head, you...>[ ] Throw yourself to the ground, dodging to the side!>[ ] Attack Rider with your own sword, evading the attack to slice off his arm!>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!
>>3589259>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!
>>3589259>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!Wrap ourselves with our cloak, activate it, and dive forward into the charge and activate the cloak. Let's take a chunk of his horse or even him into the imaginary numbers realm.
>>3589259>>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!This fucking cloak better fucking work I swear to God Circe.This is the third time we've tried using the damn thing in any defensive way.
>>3589281>This is the third time we've tried using the damn thing in any defensive way.You know what they say...
>>3589292Third time's the charm?God I fucking hate command spells, always used to ruin our day.
>>3589259>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!If we roll, he'll probably be on us again before we can get up, and we're probably too slow to cut his arm off if he has A++ Agility thanks to his NP. Use the cloak to eat a chunk of the charging horse. Maybe one of Roland's legs, too.
>>3589259>[ ] Defend yourself with Kenotis!Archer was too damn cool for itSaber too talented for itRider you son of a bitch DIE
Did the site go down for anyone else?
>>3589377YesI blame the CIA and/or Hiro.
>>3589384Hopefully this doesn't kill the session.
We should try to find a mount. Though I know that's basically impossible unless we go into Imaginary Number Space or some shit.
>>3589592I mean, I don't know what sort of mount you're expecting to find there.Other than half of Rider's.Har-Har.
>>3589592It's possible we could get it from Rider's powers we absorb. It's either gonna just boost our existing powers or let us steal the skills of others.
>>3589613And also possibly prevent us from getting our wish because too much energy from enemy Servants has been stored in us and not in the Grail but we won't know about that for a while.
>>3589659>inb4 we become a cup
>>3589659This seems unlikely, honestly.The grail only really needs their soul or some shit, I don't think it cares for how much magical energy they have otherwise Caster in the fourth war would've made it explode.
>>3589659We lesser grail now
>>3589613>>3589613I'm hoping It's a bit of both. Something like 'raise an existing stat/skill once' and 'Pick one compatible skill from the servants skill tree' or something. That's my guess/hope anyway.Furthermore, I think our C rank Noble Phantasms won't remain C ranks for long. Noble Phantasms are ranked for strength based on what the user was able to accomplish when alive right? Well we're still alive, so defeating a legendary hero would be a notable addition to the legend of a NP right? They might rank up as we down servants without even needing to spend a 'level up point' on them.Quite frankly everything's useful to us stat wise and I think some of them can be Improved naturally, so It doesn't matter too much. Except Agility. Being outspeed-ed Is pretty bad. It's better to outspeed, especially with our Phantasms.
If this works then Rider is fucked. He's travelling at incredibly high speed with his Master.What happens if his Master is flung off?Splat.
>>3589741Nah he set his master back down before he charged actually
>>3589743Aww, that's a nuisance, I somehow missed that..Twice.Ah well.
>>3589449Alright, it kind of did. I'm back now, and writing, though.>>3589741That sort of thing is exactly why Rider thought to put Haruo back down.
In the brief moments you have before Rider's sword takes your head, you think, perhaps absurdly, of bullfighters. Given the situation of this charging mass of muscle attacking you, and the tools at your disposal, the comparison is perhaps apt, though. This thought in mind, you take three steps as Rider charges at you. First, you sheathe your sword, taking your cloak in your right hand instead. Then, you launch yourself to the left, going down on one knee to bring your head below the height at which Rider's blade glides towards you. Finally, in the same instant as your movement, you flare Kenótis out behind you. "Go on then, Rider, and let your steed pass through Kenótis," you shout triumphantly, and add to the bravado a mirthful "toro!" Kenótis, at last, does not disappoint. The fluttering edge of the cloak intercepted Rider's charger at chest-height, and the carnage is brutal. As it passed over your cloak, the beast's legs, bravely churning the grass in its battle charge, vanish, along with its lower body. Only a gruesomely severed head and spine, along with the spinal musculature and hide, remain above the smooth line of the portal's demarcation, and these go hurtling past you, Rider and all, carried by the momentum of their charge. Shortly you hear Rider and what remains of his horse crashing into the ground with a familiar wet noise, not dissimilar to that made by O'Mordha's face after you dropped the unfortunate magus' corpse.Bringing your sword up again out of its sheath with practiced swiftness, you stand, turn to face Rider, and shift back into your earlier combat stance in one smooth motion. Of course you haven't practiced such things, and for a moment the dissociative feeling of that contradiction imposes on your thoughts. You dispel it quickly; this isn't the time. Rider is on his feet as well, and nearly evaded the splatter of horse blood that coats his immediate surroundings. Evidently he dismounted in the air and landed separately, or you suspect he'd be under the dismembered horse, which has rolled onto its back. All merriness is gone from Rider's face now, and he glares at you with a pure, unfettered hatred. "You," he hisses, "knight with the morality of a slave! You brazen dog! You would slay a man's horse over him; would give preference of battle to a mount? You dare to strike, with hidden weapon, at my Brigliadoro! Bastard son of a thousand fathers! Death by the sword is too good for a rogue like you. I should tear you limb from limb!""Come now, Rider," reply with mocking serenity. "It was only a horse, surely not the end of the world. You can always get another."
"Faithless knave!" He's roaring now, face contorted with fury to the point of barely being recognizable. "Brigliadoro was a comrade who carried me through all the great battles of my life! A finer, braver, smarter horse you could never find, save that magic thing that sometimes appeared to the emperor! If you would call my Brigliadoro 'just a horse,' you make it plainer than ever that you are no true knight!"As Rider goes through this outburst, you observe to yourself that he's dropped his casual, modern style of language. He wasn't exactly littering his speech with slang before, but it had struck you as notable among Servants. Apparently, however, it was no more than an affectation; but why would a heroic spirit of bygone days feel the need to effect a modern style in such a way? It's a subject worth pondering, but perhaps better for some other time.By now, Rider has gotten himself up to the peak of fury, ranting and raving at you, and actually seems about to cry. Bizarrely, however, only one eye is filling with tears. The other is quite dry. As you watch, his right eye fills until it finally spills over, and a single, massive teardrop falls from his eye. It's of bizarre proportions, at least a teaspoon in size. Even stranger, Rider whips out a glass vial and, in a deft motion, bottles the tear. Then, holding the full bottle up in the moonlight, roars out one final curse, drawing out its final syllable into a howl of rage: "Orlando Furioso~!"All at once, the air around Rider changes, becoming heavier with his presence. Whatever mystical significance the act of bottling a tear held for the Servant, its practical meaning is clear: a self-empowering Noble Phantasm, and judging by his words one based around rage. This time he leaps towards you, not the other way around, streaking across the battlefield with an inarticulate howl of fury and striking with a heavy overhand blow that sends you sliding back. He's stronger now, much stronger than before; the weight of his strike was on par with your own, and his speed has improved to the same degree. This is a more dangerous swordsman than at the beginning of the fight, to be sure. >[ ] Match aggression with aggression. Slide past his attacks with your own blade and free hand to finish off Rider the same way as last time. (Pride)>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)AAAAAAAAA
>>3590081Anons, through knowledge granted by the holy Grail Google , I have discovered Riders Identity.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RolandThis matches with his Sword being Durandal, named for being hard, 'something which endures' and so on.Let's see If we can't find something to exploit gentlemen.
>>3590081>>[ ] Match aggression with aggression. Slide past his attacks with your own blade and free hand to finish off Rider the same way as last time. (Pride)Blinded by rage is exactly what makes this work better.
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)Yes, time to break out my old manuscript. Danke Ludovico...
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)>Taunt him with his Identity, being a disgrace to his people, tell him how ashamed Oliver would be of him and so on>Bait him Into a pattern, get used to his responses and he to yours, then exploit his opening once he thinks he's won. If he seems to be getting stronger still however, play things cautiously. We can wait for him to run out of mana not the other way around.Orlando Furioso Is a play named after his deeds, so that's where that comes from.He also has a horn of some kind, an Oliphant though I'm unsure what It could do and If he could or would even use It here.
>>3590115Also, Orlando Furioso is an Italian epic about Roland.>something to exploitYou happen to have a jihad in your pocket? Failing that all we can do is bank on the facts that he's off his rocker and that he was already too proud to call for help until it was clear he would die before he used Orlando Furioso.
>>3590128>OliphantHe used it to call for help from Charlemagne.For all we know it summons Charlemagne to kill our ass if he dies by our hand.
>>3590131>by our hanOh, never mind. The force needed to blow it blew up his head.
>>3590131>Rider dies>Horn summons Charlemagne>Charlemagne has a Warhorse named Tencendur>Rider summons Rider to take his place and avenge him>Rushurou's face when he gets TWO servants to eat for stat points
>>3590151Wait a second, wait. Is Charlemagne a goddamn Saber-face?
>>3590155>>3590159Even worse. He's an isekai protagonist!
>>3590081Something tells me we could have won by slicing his arm off...>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)
>>3590160>He's an isekai protagonist!It all makes sense.Karl the Gross even looks like a final boss's Stage 1.
>>3590161But Isn't that how he succeeded against a foe In his own legend? You could be right though, but with a dramatic speed advantage I didn't want to risk It.>>3590159Oh nooo he's too broken to fight.
>>3590160Yet then again, *GASP*, If he gets summoned as a Saber we can rub this RIGHT In other Saber's face.We told you, we TOLD you It was a Saber's only final destination war and you didn't listen.
>>3590168>"i warned you about sabers bro! i told you dog!"
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)Just FUCKING DIE.
>>3590202At this rate we'll get a legend of killing a guy three times.Speaking of legends, what do you suppose we'll get for eating a bunch of Servants? Will we get Soul Eater? I hope we get Soul Eater.https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate%2FExtra_Last_Encore)
>>3590258That could be interesting.Hmm, I wonder what a skill about "killing somebody 3 times" would even be about.Also I wonder what happens if you hit Rhongomyniad with Lückeschwert.Probably something fucky.
>>3590287>what happens if you hit Rhongomyniad with LückeschwertNot much, it's just a copy of the real Rhongomyniad. The NP doesn't pin down the texture, the actual lance does.why couldn't she have been lancer
>>3590287>Hmm, I wonder what a skill about "killing somebody 3 times" would even be about.>Murderous Determination: A>A skill derived from a legend of "killing a man three times": Saber enters battle utterly determined to ensure the death of his enemy, no matter how many mortal wounds must be made. Strength and Speed gain one rank each when fighting an enemy who survived a prior encounter with Saber, since he has totally dedicated himself to finishing what was begun.
>>3590324The real lance I mean. The real lance that Gray has.Or had, it's been like 15 years, we don't know what's going on on that front.
>>3590335Then we get Circe back
>>3590287>I wonder what happens if you hit Rhongomyniad with Lückeschwert.End of the world.>>3590324>why couldn't she have been lancerWrong timeline.
>>3590353>End of the world Damn so it was something fucky.On the plus side, Lückeschwert probably becomes EX rank for being the sword that ends the world.So that's a positive.Probably. Nevermind that everyone is dead.
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)Stay calm and analytical. His outburst will be his downfall.>>3590258Does a legend have to be widely known or believed for it to count toward a heroic spirits skillset? If so, I don't see us meeting that requirement.
>>3590081>[ ] Retreat in the face of this new attack. Wait for him to overextend, and then counter. (Self-Preservation)And now his sanity is gone. Since he's not a Berserker, I didn't expect him to pull this trick... does he not have his horn, or is he just unwilling to use it?At any rate, Astolfo won't be flying to the moon any time soon, so we'll just have to kill him as he is now.This might be for the better, honestly. We'd probably be fucked if he used that thing, as the article on Charlemagne >>3590159 indicates.>>3590462In theory, yes. In actuality, not necessarily. Special cases do exist. FSN Archer is proof of that.
>>3590462For a heroic spirit based on a legend, the character of the Servant is derived from that legend, and so their details must be widely known. There are also heroic spirits not derived from legend, however, as in the case of FSN's Archer; in such cases the Servant will be much closer to the "real" state of the heroic spirit, and doesn't have their existence affected so heavily by expectations. They also forfeit bonuses like regional empowerment, though, so it's not all positive.In any case, the degree to which legend affects a Servant varies. There are numerous genderbent Servants with the explanation of "even though this person was known to be male, they were secretly female," in which case the legend of their existence should overwrite their true nature. On the other hand, the Fourth Holy Grail War's Rider has a stature that depicts his legend rather than his life, and there is the case of Vlad III, warped from a cold-hearted patriot into a ravening beast by his legend of vampirism. It's iffy, is what I'm saying.
>>3590607Basically, Fate likes showing you the rules and how things work before immediately throwing exceptions to those rules at your face. Gae Bolg being one of the worst offenders.Shirou himself is basically a giant "fuck you" to the rules.
Rider follows the blocked chop with a slash from your right, a thrust, and another vertical strike, all fast and strong enough to kill you easily. The shower of blows keeps you firmly on the defensive, and even pushes you back gradually as he hammers away with overpowering force. Earlier you had contemplated forcing Rider back against the edge of the field, where it comes up against the school building, but now you're the one gradually closing distance towards the chain-link fence that forms its opposite border.And yet, Rider's attacks are not truly dangerous. Earlier, his swordplay had seemed more skillful. It was the fighting of a professional, albeit one inferior to you in skill. Now even that professionalism is gone, and Rider's attacks, though empowered, are brutish and predictable. You may be on the defensive, but it's easy to parry his blows and keep him exhausting himself while you remain fresh, minimizing your movements. Finally, after what seems like an age, his movements begin to slow and the moment comes for you to finish him.Rider, stymied by your guard, chops down from overhead once more, in a strike more herculean than any prior. If blocked directly on the flat of Lückeschwert, it might snap right through the thinner blade. Instead, you step forward and to the right, into Rider's off-hand side, with you sword up in vertical guard. As you do so, you spin your blade along Rider's stroke to slide it back into a cutting position, bringing it to his throat as you step forward. Before he can pull back, you slash to the right with all your strength, cutting the head from his shoulders and knocking it away with the force of the motion. His body, suddenly bereft of control, seizes momentarily and then falls backwards, thumping to the ground with weighty finality. This time, you're certain he won't be getting back up.You breathe a momentary sigh of relief at the enemy's final defeat. He was a tenacious foe, if not especially gifted otherwise. You have little time to contemplate, though, as Ayaka's voice soon sounds in your mind. 'Quick, Saber-san! He's still in the ritual's hold now, but the energy is fading! Accept the sacrifice!'Ah, yes. The sacrifice; you'd momentarily forgotten. In a grave voice, you intone, "I, the Servant Saber, accept this sacrifice." No sooner do the words leave your lips than you feel power, siphoned from Rider's death, flowing into you. It carries with it a greater understanding of Rider's existence, and you are suddenly aware of his true name, and the extent of his abilities. Status Updated
This newfound power is not the whole energy of Rider's existence; most of that seems to have disappeared elsewhere; but there is a significant amount, enough to alter a magical construct of your magnitude. As it flows into you, this energy demands to be channeled. Right now it's foreign, opposed to your existence, but you seize hold of it with the technique you learned at Circe's hands and...>[ ] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.>[ ] Form the energy into a concept, reinforcing an aspect of your nature as a hero. (Which?)>[ ] Attempt to replicate some property of Rider's and apply it to yourself. (What about him?)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3590633>>[X] Do something else (Write in)Stick the energy into your sword.Because fuck getting cockblocked by a higher class Noble Phantasm
>>3590633I might need a little clarification on our options before I vote
>>3590641Mainly the second one. I'm assuming that involves improving it Skills/NPs but I'm not sure.
>>3590641The body includes your base stats, aside from Luck and NP.Other aspects of your Servant status are conceptual properties of Alberich's nature as a hero.A property of Rider's would be a descriptive referring to him
>>3590633A list of nice things>Dignity of the Rear Guard A>Battle Continuation A>Injecting power into Mind's Eye (true)>Injecting power into either of our NPs>Raw statboostsWith these in mind, I would argue that both Dignity and Battle Continuation are "loser" skills, in that they prolong battles rather than directly win them. Mind's Eye C doesn't really need a buff- Alberich's ability to act on his thoughts does. And while our NPs would be nice to boost, I think right now simply being able to keep up with faster and stronger Heroic Spirits is most important. Therefore>[ ] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.When will Rushorou stop channeling power directly into himself? The world may never know.
>>3590648Is it possible to use it to get skills like Existence Outside the Domain or Self-Replenishment (Mana)? Or we are bounded by things we have now?
>>3590633>>3590649He makes a good argument>>3590640Ignore this, changing my vote to>[X] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.
>>3590649>I would argue that both Dignity and Battle Continuation are "loser" skills, in that they prolong battles rather than directly win themI'd argue the contrary. Dignity of the Rear Guard allows for vastly improved fighting when dealing with multiple enemies, and Battle Continuation lets you survive otherwise fatal wounds. Neither of them specify that using them makes you have to "lose" in order for them to be useful. You could conceivably survive an otherwise fatal wound with Battle Continuation, win the battle, and live to tell the tale. Similarly, with Dignity, it's possible to defeat the enemies that cause you to be outnumbered and return to a one-on-one, at which point the skill will no longer be active.Between our stats and Mind's Eye (True) C, we can probably hold up rather well against most other close-range fighters (excepting, of course, Saber, against whom our trump card is Luckeschwert).I'd like to suggest that we think very carefully about what to do here, since we have at our disposal the opportunity to mimic one of the powers of Roland.Consider, for instance, Olifant. If we were to try to mimic its power, we might end up with a Verg Avesta-style power where taking a severe wound will let us temporarily resummon some version of Circe and Adelheid to help win a battle.Of course, there's no guarantee about that, and it's just an example, but it's worth considering. I think we should all try to think about the possibilities before we all vote for a raw stat increase.
We can work on concepts after we learn more about our Origin.
Right, well, let's see>Upgrade NPsWould be nice but doesn't seem necessary right now >upgrade minds eye It seems to be doing fine right now>Battle Continuation Very useful, gives a great edge against Assassin but if we're having to rely on this skill, something is very wrong>Dignity of the Rear Guard AGood skill, but generally, getting outnumbered in a grail war isn't that likely, and fighting defensively has it's own risks.>raw stat upgrade Very useful, lets us actually fight against Saber and if it upgrades our Magical Energy parameter, Rider of Fuyuki too.>CharismaUseless skill unless it's like A rank.Hmmm
>>3590674For us, being outnumbered is surprisingly likely I think.Ayaka can't really be counted on for combat support, at least not at the moment. If we were to be taken on by Saber and Vaisset again, and we told Ayaka to flee, we'd be up against both of them alone. Dignity could give us a massive stat boost and effective Instinct in taking on the most dangerous duo in the war, or any Servant accompanied by a competent mage.
>>3590648>Other aspects of your Servant status are conceptual properties of Alberich's nature as a hero.Such as...?
>>3590659>Existence Outside the Domain or Self-Replenishment (Mana)Who has these skills? I haven't heard of them before, unfortunately.In any case, to acquire a skill by energy absorption you would need to (a) have a weaker form of the skill already or (b) have seen it in action, and be deeply familiar with its operation, as through the understanding of Rider's skills granted by his sacrifice.Of course, you can get other skills through other means.
>>3590680Such as your skills and noble phantasms!
>>3590678>Saber and VaissetThat damn traitor!Anyway, I don't really think having our Master run from a servant battle is a fantastic idea.And Harris would just try a separation tactic again.Saber will probably just Instinct away from Lückeschwert too.
>>3590671With Dignity, it depends on how you interpret the skill. How much of a role do you think the "outnumbered" element plays into it? The less of that aspect we need for it to be useful, the more I personally love the skill. That psuedo-instinct is also quite nice.With battle continuation, I just don't see the mechanical upside. Persisting in spite of terrible blows is all well and good, but this moreso than dignity is a prolonging skill than a winning one.I don't really like any of Roland's NPs- Brigliadoro for obvious reasons, Durandal because it seems at least somewhat redundant, Olifantbecause it literally kills the user, and Orlando Furioso because you should never take the Madness enhancement willingly.Something I advise you also keep in mind is that any skill/NP we "acquire" will certainly be different than its original form, and likely will be weaker. What does Dignity look like at B or C rank for instance?
>>3590648Wait, so does putting it in stats give usStrength: AEndurance: BAgility: AMagical Energy: ALuck: BNoble Phantasm: C?Because if so, damn.
>>3590682>Who has these skills? I haven't heard of them before, unfortunately.Foreigners for former and Avengers for latter.Can we upgrade Conceptual Biology and will it actually do something interesting if we do so?
>>3590709I doubt it's THAT significant of a boost. Maybe 1 A stat + Endurance up to B?
>>3590633>[ ] Attempt to replicate some property of Rider's and apply it to yourself. (What about him?)Let's make a mount for ourselves and improve our riding skill.I'm picturing a motorcycle or car
>>3590713>Conceptual Biology EXyo what the fuck
>>3590716>spoiler"No," though I would want a mount of our own. I doubt it would be OURS and not so much a derivative of Roland's, which is I'm apprehensive.
>>3590716Anon, that's easily the most worthless application of this boon.Anyway, while getting one of his skills would be nice, nothing is really a must-haveSo...>>3590633>[X] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.
>>3590694At its current rank, "outnumbered" probably means Roland vs 2 or more enemies. The degradation of the skill is worrying, certainly. It might be possible to make it A if we take it from Roland and pour another Servant into it, but that strikes me as too wasteful.If we were to take Olifant, then it being different/weaker would sort of be the point. Olifant kills Roland because his legend is him dying a martyr's death. Alberich has died no death and certainly doesn't intend to now.Durandal is interesting because of the many different effects it could have. It could make Luckeschwert longer and stronger, it could make our sword indestructible, it could reinforce our blade's ability to cut through ANYTHING (for real this time), or it could even give us the three (or less, since weaker) miracles that Roland couldn't access as a Rider.Brigliadoro is pretty much useless to us, I agree, and Orlando Furioso would probably cause us to either lose Mind's Eye (True) while it's active or convert it to Mind's Eye (False) for the duration in addition to making us insane and degrading our skill.>>3590721I'm quite curious as to what that would do.
>>3590633Aight whatever, put it all into conceptual biology. Let's see what happens.
>>3590733I mean, pretty obviously just more poison resist. Maybe Magic Resist A.
>>3590713So they do, odd that I didn't have notes of them. In any case, they're very odd skills; I don't think you'll have the chance to get them without interference from the Grail.
>>3590744Poison resist has to be just scratching the surface of our conceptual biology. It's like the lamest possible application of its implications.
>>3590726You're really moving towards the Dignity train ID. But I really don't know...You bring up some good points with Durandal, but I still think that rather than better sword Alberich needs to be better AT swording.Conceptual EX is too much of a meme for my blood, although I would love to see Sweet's take on the concept.
Could we apply the durability of his sword to our armor?
Alright lets seeMount is worthless.If we really want a mount, Bellerophon is infinitely better and we can backstab rider for it.While Roland has a lot of cool shit, the same is true of the other 5 servants. And being able to match all but the strongest Servants physically is a huge boon for killing other servants.Durandalschwert might be cool, but Excalibur exists. Now, imagine an Excaliblast that tears a rift to number space instead of being a laser.That's bootleg Ea right there.
>>3590752At that point you're taking a property (durability) of a property (Durandal), so I'm going to have to say no to that one. If you were to kill a Servant with incredible armor you could enhance yours, though.
>>3590777How would you name "Holy splitting sword"? Because overly long german is nice, and I might vote for that just because of the name.
>>3590770Also if we can combine Excalibur and Lückescwhert then Shirou probably won't be able to trace our sword without exploding.It's a good long term goal, I think.
>>3590783Not sure, maybe something like Heiligeröffnenschwert?
>>3590633>[X] Form the energy into a concept, reinforcing an aspect of your nature as a hero.>Conceptual BiologyRaw stats are cool but I like mystery box option that tied to our very existence a bit more.
>>3590682Hold on, does this mean that we can acquire Rider's skills through a different servant's sacrifice due to our familiarity from his sacrifice?
Personally, I'm stuck between absorbing Olifant and Durandal.Olifant's risky to take for sure, but it might be our only chance at seeing Circe and Adelheid again and I certainly hope Sweets wouldn't give us a power that's effectively useless because using it is guaranteed suicideThere are a lot of ways that Durandal could go, and pretty much all of them are guaranteed to be a good bonus, which makes it a pretty enticing choice.A raw stat boost is guaranteed to be the most generically useful, but it's not nearly as exciting as the other options.>>3590805This is a pretty interesting question. I doubt we'll be able to get his NPs via another Servant, but his skills could be another story.
>>3590805That's correct. You're handling raw energy and shaping it into a conceptual form you're familiar with; what matters is the image in your mind, not the source of the energy.
>>3590794Oh no, that's hot
>>3590789Shirou would probably be unable to Trace Lückeschwert anyway.>>3590800You know what, supporting because I like Mystery Boxes too.
>>3590811So does that apply to his NPs too?
>>3590817Dropped my name; it does indeed apply, although I want to emphasize/confirm a point that's already been raised. You're imitating them with the new energy, not directly copying them.
>>3590633Ok, so I am >>3590649 as well as >>3590813Switching to>[ ] Attempt to replicate some property of Rider's and apply it to yourself. (Apply Sword to Sword)
>>3590817Now that we know that this isn't a one time deal, would you kindly support the stat increase?
Wait, would improving our NP affect what it's capable of, or would that require a different method?
>>3590822>>3590811Wait. Can we imitate skills we saw during Akeldama?
>>3590851No.Not unless we're incredibly familiar with them.High Speed Divine Words is still a dream
>>3590851Oh shit. Please.
>>3590851Refer to >>3590682>In any case, to acquire a skill by energy absorption you would need to (a) have a weaker form of the skill already or (b) have seen it in action, and be deeply familiar with its operation, as through the understanding of Rider's skills granted by his sacrifice.
>>3590851Actually, tell me what skill you want to imitate and I'll tell you whether you're familiar enough with it.
>>3590822Good to know, thanks.>>3590826Supporting imitation of Durandal. As cool as I think Alberich's Olifant would be, it's clearly not a very popular idea, and I want new powers.>>3590837Personally, I think it's a better idea to have a wider range of tools at our disposal to handle other Servants rather than try to eclipse them statwise, since our strongest enemy in this war is the ultimate stat stick with a huge statline, Instinct A, and Mana Burst A.>>3590851>Luckeschwert .45>Fragarach, but rather than kill it deletes NPsNow that'd be something else.
>>3590883>The Heavenly Splitting Sword which actually cuts through everything always strikes firstTalk about meme NPs
>>3590881I am interested in:>Inviolable Sacred Ground, Hagia Sophia>Colt .45, The Fastest Gun in the West>High Speed Divine Language>Containing the Gorgon's Head, Kibisis
>>3590633>>3590826I'm supporting this because outside of other Saber, we won't get another chance to apply sword to sword. Increasing our swords capabilities now seems like a swell way to go about things, let us use It to contest more deadly noble phantasms and kill off especially durable servants, like Berserker likely will be.
>>3590897>Colt .45, The Fastest Gun in the WestOh god yes, yes yes. Maybe not this go-round but good lord splicing that onto our sword would be so beautiful.Especially If we get to extend our blade via stretching out the portal and shoot It like a bullet.
>>3590918Anon, we can literally apply sword to sword at any time.We can get Riders abilities with any Servant's energy.
>Peerless Holy Sword>Will s00n have a peerGet fucked Roland
>>3590633Nevermind, I'm gonna switch back to>[ ] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.
>>3590897>Inviolable Sacred Ground, Hagia SophiaYou're not familiar enough with it >Colt .45You can try to mimic it, but results are uncertain>High Speed Divine LanguageImpossible.>KibisisYou didn't even see this one activate.
>>3590978Dream Crusher EX in action. Not that I disagree.
>>3590925Yes, but thematically it makes sense now. Luckeschwert did get cucked the first couple of times we used it, and both sides talked a lot of sword during this fight.
>>3590978So no to all except the Colt, which sounds like 'You'll get It, but It's at least going down a rank.'
>>3590989We probably only have a decent chance at copying the NPs of Archer and Rider from Akeldama. Alberich theoretically knows the most about Colt .45 out of any NP in Akeldama, since he not only saw it activate but also got all the information about Archer's abilities from the Kikuko memory dive. We saw Berserker's NP in action, but Alberich's knowledge of the German military probably isn't strong enough to manifest Volksgemeinschaft properly. Rider's NP is pretty much just a big boat, which wouldn't be hard to imagine. However, it would be hard to get use out of in Tokyo.>>3591007There's also the question of what, exactly, we would get. Would we get the property of Colt that we're looking for, or would we just manifest the gun and not its power like a numpty? Funny as it would be for a Saber to suddenly pull out a revolver and start shooting people, it might not even be very effectual except at close range since we have no training with firearms.
>>3590978>You didn't even see this one activate.But we met Medusa and I really want to show it to her. I bet her reaction will be worth it.But alas it is completely meta.>results are uncertainWIll Colt .45 require roll or Marksmanship for it to work reliably?
>>3591019Results of mimicry, I meant. Dice were banished from this quest a while back.
>>3591029I don't miss them....I'm sure Taiga does though.
>>3591034Speaking of Taiga, this fight really disappointed her. You had three separate death options, and you still got through unharmed!
>>3591016>knowledge of the German militaryWell, if it is imitated mutation when it could ended up as Japan military tech or some Zeon-tech or whatever we were really familiar with as a human.
>>3591039By the by wonderful fight scene. The Choreography was well-written, the dialogue engaging, and that horse scene was gory as all hell. Great stuff.
>>3591039We haven't died at all this Quest, funnily enough. You didn't answer my question, by the way. Would empowering our NP's change how they behave (eg. Kenotis being a two-way door) or do we have to keep hitting the books to do that?
You know what Noble Phantasm we should copy?Akeldama. a joke, I'm not suggesting this.
>>3591059Thanks! I'm still not too sure about my ability to write fight choreography, so I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed it.
>>3591061That's because it's a surprise! You don't know what would happen if you channel power directly into one of your Noble Phantasms.
>>3591073I also enjoyed it, it flowed very well.
>>3591073You were great.>>3591077Sweets, please, I don't want to switch my vote to another Mystery Box!
Completely unrelated, but while Akeldama has come up again:Sweets, what was Judas planning with the university, anyway? You made references to it being purpose-built for something, but we never found out what it was.>>3591073I think you do a really good job with the more emotional side of battles. Alberich's frustration as well as Roland's smugness and subsequent breakdown added a lot of character to the fight.
The current votes, by my count:Stat boost>>3590944>>3590724>>3590660Apply Durandal to Luckeschwert>>3590883>>3590826>>3590918Go for Conceptual Biology EX and see what happens>>3590800We're tied, unless I missed something.
>>3591098It was purpose-built to serve as a base for one of the Masters, that's all. A nice bonus for whoever got to it first.
>>3591083Some things you just don't know. I try to keep what I tell you as the QM limited to things Alberich either knows or can figure out.
>>3591156So what would the Stat Boost be, do we know?Rank up to all params except Luck and NP?Or just a single Parameter?Or what?
>>3591161You'd need more energy than this to rank everything up by a letter. If you want to know exactly what will happen, do it
>"You are slow and you are weak. Your abilities are altogether lackluster! In fact, you may just be the weakest swordsman I've ever fought!"I love it when Alberich does his best DIO impression.
>>3591134I'm willing to switch from>>3590660and instead vote to apply Durandal to Luckeschwert. Fuck getting our sword cockblocked. We will cut EVERYTHING
>>3591201Ah, the tiebreaker arrives.What will you pick, DIOposter?
>>3591220Well, he would've been the tiebreaker. Better hope we don't run into Saber lads.
>>3591229Now what are the odds of that happening so soon?
>>3591229It's not like the stat boost would have closed the gap between us and Saber anyway. She has absurd skills on top of absurd stats. If we want to beat her, we need bullshit.
>>3591234Almost guaranteed. For additional fun points she finds the Emiyas and we meet again there.
>>3591070>Gain power of imaginary number realm territory creationScary shit
>>3591236Sure but we still need to level up our stats unless we get Gil tier bullshit. We only get one shot at slashing her and we can't fuck it up.
Wouldn't upgrading our NP be more practical if we want to cut the uncuttable?
>>3591252I do like the train of thought of using Rider's sword to upgrade our sword, and killing another servant to get the stat boost. Like, Durandal is a pretty great sword to upgrade our own.We can potentially get another chance to upgrade our stats, but we're probably not gonna get another Durandal.
>>3591261But we will.We can upgrade with Durandal at any time.Like, this isn't our only opportunity to jack Rider's shit.
>>3591265Really? I thought whatever opportunity's we got was reliant on the Serv... oh wait I'm dumb, I already knew we could get shit from other Servants. Ignore me and my idiocy.But yeah I do want to upgrade our sword regardless, A noble phantasm that cuts anything that's only C-rank is just saaaad.
>>3591260I don't think the cutting aspect of the sword needs upgrading- it just happened to meet it's counter for it's first use. But making it longer, stronger, maybe a smidge of unbreakable and all-cutting: these are great things. Also, "holy" void sword is a funny concept for me.
>>3591276I don't like making Lückschwert a bootleg, I'd much prefer upgrading it with the energy. Especially since I want to know what happens when we feed it the energy.
>>3591272Yeah, as long as we complete the ritual, our nature as a conceptual being (I assume that's what is doing it) we permanently unlock access to gain their skills or versions of their NPs.We just need a lot of magical energy to manifest a change it seems.
>>3591282But unbreakable.... "Cuts all, cannot be cut" would be perfect. I fear for the blade otherwise...
>>3591283It works like this. When a Servant is sacrificed to you, you absorb a portion of their energy and that energy Carrie's with it great knowledge of their nature and composition.When you gain a large amount of energy this way, you can use it to augment yourself, either adding it to your present existence as-is or shaping it into a form with which you're familiar.
>>3591292>Carrie'sAbsolutely fuck autocorrect.
>>3591289But I wanna be our own thing, anon...
>>3591289Also I like to imagine if our sword can cut through anything twice that it would be able to bypass actual uncuttable stuff.Or maybe even bypass most defensive NPs.It's unlikely, but hey.>>3591292Interesting...I'll bear that in mind. >>3591302No Hero is their own thing.Durandal is based off of Hector's Durindana iirc.Stealing shit from other heroes is very hero like.
>>3591134I'll switch to sword.Could be interesting.
This is kinda meta but would doing this make Lückeschwert susceptible to being traced?
>>3591439We have no reason to believe that Lückeschwert can't be traced already.
>>3591470Excaliduranschwert however?Good luck tracing that.We do still need a stat boost though.
>>3591539Next pickup for sure. Assuming we ever get another one...
>>3591544Depending on how many servants we get we could easily become one of the most broken Servants possible. Like, if we actually get the other 5 servants?I'd say 1/2 in raw power1 for Excalibur1 for Kenotis1/2 for Skills, depending on skill quality.
>>3591613Are you saying you wouldn't rather pick up Boundary Field of the Wind King?
>>3591635I mean, it's a pretty good noble phantasm for the utility but Beam Swoooord.What if we applied Boundary Field of the Wind King to Kenotis?
>>3591647Oh god, things would just get blown away from the portal instead of going through. That's a hilarious thought.
>>3591662I was thinking more of using it to make it into an invisibility cloak
>>3590633"If Roland were summoned in the class of Saber, it would also bear the power to invoke three miracles, but in its current form this power is sealed."Probably a dumb question but i've got to ask, if we choose to absorb Durandal would we get some form of this because we're a saber or is it null because he was a rider?
>>3591682Also being able to activate the pulse to destabilise people charging us so we can finish them with the portal could be cool.
>>3591815I'd suppose that we only have a conceptual understanding of the weapon in it's current form- while we may know of hypothetical abilities, it's not like we can use them.
>>3590633>[ ] Direct the energy into your body, enhancing your raw power.Even if the upgrade isn't as good as boosting all our stats by a letter, I doubt upgrading our sword will be anymore useful. If we don't have the power to wield our tools effectively what good is OP equipment?
>>3591815We don't know that IC as Alberich.Would be cool as shit if it did though.Also it's funny that Durandal is the sword we're gonna be yoinking considering that Roland tried to destroy it to prevent this very scenario in his legend.God I love that discussion is back, I've missed it.>>3591889*laughs in ancient Sumerian*
>>3591895>We don't know that IC as AlberichYou do, actually. You absorbed complete understanding of him through the sacrifice, which is why his status screen was filled in all at once.
So what's the tally, now that >>3591889 voted?
>>3591940I mean, we don't know if our sword will get the miracles.Not about their existence in the first place.
>>3591949More importantly when the fuck does voting even end in this quest? I feel like we spend days making choices sometimes. Although that could be due to the time it takes to write based on the winning vote, but whatever.
>>3591959When were you under the assumption that voting ever ended?Behold!>>3319233>[ ] You're Keiseki Saburou, a 32-year-old office manager for a black company. Your day was normal, but that's hardly positive. You woke up at the office after being forced to sleep there by the ridiculously late overtime, worked all day, and wound up going to sleep in a sleeping bag under your desk again. You took four breaks today: one for each meal, and one to go to a public bath and wash off the grime. None of these was over 45 minutes. You haven't seen your apartment in 3 weeks, and dream of the day you can have a weekend off. It wouldn't surprising if you'd died in your sleep of overwork...
>>3591959With a quest that has as many regular and irregular voters as Fate/City does, which rarely has frivolous votes, and which rarely has short and simple updates, it's simply better to take time with these things. >>3591968Oi, Alberich punted your head at least six threads ago
>>3591976>It's simply better to take time with these things. I mean sure, but having sometype of time limit helps to keep the pacing flowing.It's fine regardless. If the answer is simply there is no answer then that's fine. I'll wait for the update like everyone else. I'll see you all in a few hours/tomorrow.
>>3591959>>3591992I always worry that I'll be cutting people off from voting if I call the vote, so I prefer to just leave it open until I post the update.>>35919494-3 in favor of the Durandal merge.
So...If our waifus are still around somewhere, do we allow them to call us Rushorou/Yumigawa or do we ask them to refer to us only as Alberich?no they aren't gone lalalala I can't hear you
>>3591997But then how do you write?Like are you writing the update in favor of Durandal only to switch it up if the vote changes leader?I'm more confused and interested than anything else.
>>3592015>Like are you writing the update in favor of Durandal only to switch it up if the vote changes leader?That's it, yeah. I've abandoned several updates over the course of the quest due to a sudden reversal, but usually I'm pretty good at gauging things.
>>3592013NOSTOP ITSTOP BEING THAT GUY.I SWEAR TO FUCK WE DON'T KNOWIT'S ONLY ASSUMPTIONS EITHER WAYJokes aside can we actually discuss these things?We can't always assume the worst, we have got B rank luck after all, that's gotta count for something.
>>3591815>[ ] Attempt to replicate some property of Rider's and apply it to yourself. (Apply Sword to Sword)Forgot to vote, i'm leaning this because most of the time in Fate haxx>stats and aside from what asked i'm more interested in finding out how much we're able to poach off NP's over a general letter grade up.
>>3592021As for your question, I suppose it depends. Upon the conclusion of the war, will we return to our empowered but sub-servant conceptual state? Or will we become even more powerful than we can imagine? If the former, Rushorou. If the latter, Alberich.
>>3592020Well damn, that seems inefficient, but this quest has probably been one of the best things I've read this year so if it works it works.
>>3592021>We can't always assume the worst, we have got B rank luck after all, that's gotta count for somethingHow was it decided that we had B luck anyway? The fact we won the war without fucking up too much and being a complete normie beforehand?
>>3592032The circumstances of Rushorou's victory in Akeldama + Rolls
>>3592032You've had B-rank Luck for your entire life. Yumigawa Rushorou was simply favored by fortune.If you're asking how I determined it, I had it in mind from the start of the quest that the circumstances of Fate/City Akeldama were such that the protagonist had B-rank Luck.
>>3592032Rushorou has always had B rank luck hasn't he?He's just an incredibly lucky guy, by chance.Once again luck has sided with Rushorou Yumigawa.
>>3592041I wish we had a Legacy Stat Sheet for Rushorou during Akeldama.
>>3592050Mostly for if we get any new readers, really.
>>3592054It's quite rare that I personally reference stat sheets while combing the archives- not sure that's really necessary.
>>3592054But your stats (and the information available in the menu) changed throughout the quest. I'd have to make a bunch of different ones for different points in the story.
>>3592060It's up to Sweets in the end, I suppose.
>>3592031That's very kind of you, thanks.
>>3592080It's not kind, it's just true.Let's be real, half of the quests the getting run around here are low-quality one-shot duds.That said, you definitely sore above the rest of the dodos that populate this board. Actual high-quality content.
Now that Rider's lost power is under your control, you need only channel it, make it a part of you. You contemplate various uses for it, before settling on the empowerment of your blade. Perhaps it's your nature as a Saber, but you feel Rider's blade, Durandal, calling to you; stimulating a greed you hadn't formerly possessed. You simply must make it yours!You envision the blade and shape Rider's energy into a replica. One not only of its outer appearance, but including the innermost secrets of its construction, revealed to you through the sacrifice of Rider. Then, holding that replica of energy within you, you overlay it on your own blade, Lückeschwert, merging the new construct with the existing Noble Phantasm.As the energy sinks into it you hold Lückeschwert aloft in the moonlight, pointing to its bloody tip toward the stars, and watch as the power of Rider's death transforms it. Its blade is the first thing to change, extending by nearly a foot from its former 30-inch length and widening slightly at the base. The hilt, too, lengthens to permit the use of a second hand, though you doubt you'll have more difficulty than Roland did in wielding it one-handed.The general shape isn't the only change in the sword, moreover, as it takes on a portion of Roland's ostentation. From the base of the blade, a golden inscription is inlaid in the black material, reading on one side, Ich bin der Schlüssel, and on the other, Ich bin der Tor. The hilt guard, formerly an arc of plain steel, takes on the cruciform shape of Durandal's own, and gains an inlay of ruby, polished smooth and flat, which traces an inner replica of the guard's shape. The pommel, similarly, goes from an abstract lump of metal to the silver talon of a bird, gripping another ruby in the shape of an orb. Only the sword's grip remains as it was, plain black leather molded to fit the hand.The transformation of your sword goes deeper than its appearance, of course. Its power, too, has grown far beyond its former state. Durandal's divine origin, and the miracles contained within it, have transformed your weapon into something immeasurably greater than Lückeschwert. The true nature of this blade is no longer a mere patch of Nothingness, a gap-sword. This, you realize, is something truly worthy of legend: the Key of God, Heiligeröffnenschwert!Status UpdatedSuddenly a new presence calls your mind away from the admiration of your new Noble Phantasm: an arrow, hurtling at you out of the darkness! You cut it out of the air before it can strike, but the impact runs up your arm. That arrow had the destructive force of one of Blackbeard's cannons, if not more. Now that you're paying closer attention to your surroundings again, you can feel the presence of another Servant on the school's rooftop; one with a much stronger presence than Roland.
Thinking fast, you dash back to the bleachers, to protect Ayaka from a second arrow targeting your Master. None comes, though. Instead, approaching in place of an attack is a beautiful woman, who walks out onto the ballfield from the school building's back door. She's obviously a magus, and the Master of this new Servant; only someone from the same kind of background as Truvietianne Edelfelt would walk out to a life and death fight wearing a silk evening gown and high-heels. She chuckles softly, perhaps finding amusement in your hasty move to defend Ayaka. Whatever her opinion of your actions, however, it is Ayaka who she addresses when she speaks, looking straight past you."Good evening, Master of Saber," she says, in a gentle, Kyoto-accented voice that seems to radiate luxury and decadence by its very tones. "Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Akagata Kyouka, the Master of Archer."Totally taken aback by the sudden appearance of a new enemy combined with her strange courtesy it takes Ayaka a few moments to formulate her thoughts before she manages to respond, "I'm Shijou Ayaka. I-it's a pleasure to meet you, Akagata-san," and bow stiffly.Akagata returns the bow with flowing grace, replying, "the pleasure is all mine, Shijou-han. I am told that you are in fact the Second Owner of this area; please accept my apology for not having paid my respects to you earlier. The business of the War has kept me extremely busy since my arrival in Tokyo.""Oh no, that's fine," Ayaka says, still clearly at a loss for how to deal with the strange woman.Ignoring your Master's confusion, Akagata continues with what she's evidently come to say. "I must congratulate you on your victory. "I had dearly hoped to arrive in time to save poor Haruo's servant, but it seems that you got the better of him much too quickly. Still, I must beg you not to carry your victory any further. Will you not spare this boy's life, at least? With his Servant gone, his role in the Holy Grail War is at an end, and killing him can be of no more use to you. I implore you, be satisfied with your victory and leave him in peace; do not force me to take your life in his defense."Ayaka calls out to you telepathically, saying, 'Saber-san, what do you think we should do? I didn't think we were going to kill Kajiwara-senpai, but if we fight another Servant here I can use the ritual of sacrifice again. I guess you probably shouldn't fight two enemy Servants in a row though, should you?'
>[ ] Tell Ayaka the two of you should retreat for the night. It's best not to push your stamina fighting multiple foes back-to-back if you can avoid it, and there's no reason to kill Kajiwara. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)>[ ] Reassure Ayaka that you're perfectly capable of another fight. If anything, you're more capable now than before taking on Rider! Besides, with no solid leads on the enemy this is too good a chance to pass up. (Pride/Duty)>[ ] Address the enemy Master and Servant aloud. (What do you say?)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3592262>This, you realize, is something truly worthy of legend: the Key of God, Heiligeröffnenschwert!Hype as fuck>The Key of God, Heiligeröffnenschwert: A-Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm.Holy shit, now we're talking
>>3592262>The Key of God, Heiligeröffnenschwert: A-Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm.>a holy sword blessed with power over Nothingness. As long as Nothingness exists, this blade cannot be damaged or dulled>Since its blade is actually a gateway to the world of Imaginary Numbers, there is no substance that this weapon cannot cut through. >In addition, by expending a great deal of energy, Saber is able to exert miraculous power over that realm through Heiligeröffnenschwert.Holy shit this sword is fucking greatNow we're worthy of being called Saber.
>>3592270>>[X] Reassure Ayaka that you're perfectly capable of another fight. If anything, you're more capable now than before taking on Rider! Besides, with no solid leads on the enemy this is too good a chance to pass up. (Pride/Duty)I want to try out this fucking sword.Also, fuck giving this lady any time to pull shenanigans. No way is she asking us to leave this guy alone out of sympathy.>>3592283I don't know, using the sword to power up the other sword seems fairly intuitive
>>3592290That's not the synergy I mean. Using Excalibur with Lückeschwert would be much less impressive, for example.The point is that Imaginary Numbers is the realm to which the gods retreated, and Durandal contains divine miracles, creating a mutual powerup.
>>3592270>>[ ] Reassure Ayaka that you're perfectly capable of another fight. If anything, you're more capable now than before taking on Rider! Besides, with no solid leads on the enemy this is too good a chance to pass up. (Pride/Duty)
>>3592305Ooooooh, I didn't catch that at all lolSweet.
>>3592290We're the same people who picked Saber as our class because "swords r cool"You really should not overestimate us.>>3592305Oh, interesting.This sword is super fucking bullshit, huh?>>3592274>[ ] Tell Ayaka the two of you should retreat for the night. It's best not to push your stamina fighting multiple foes back-to-back if you can avoid it, and there's no reason to kill Kajiwara. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)Guys.Can we please not go up against Archer right now?He can easily snipe our master, he's a fair distance away and we don't know what this woman is capable of.It's a dreadful matchup.Don't get cocky.