You are Alberich: serial killer, familiar to two magi, and dubiously related to the gods. Despite having no biological parents, you've somehow wound up being considered the brother of two inhuman and unstable girls. On the night of Wednesday, November 13, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a legendary warrior contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail, their existence sustained by the mystic energy of their summoner. In your case you were conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being a legendary warrior, but that's neither here nor there at this point. The magic empowered you enough to fill the role, anyway.After spending a few days learning about the Holy Grail War and your surroundings, you and your Master, Jean-Pierre Vaisset, had your first skirmish with the enemy: a complete defeat. The enemy Servant outclassed you utterly, and the only reason you survived was that her Master ordered her to retreat once he'd killed Vaisset.With Vaisset dead and your supply of mystic energy cut off, you were prepared to fade into the aether when you discovered to your surprise that he'd prepared a backup plan to transfer his Command Spells to his sister in the event of his death. This transfer of authority was immediately followed by your appearance in the girl's bedroom. Thus you found yourself breaking the news of her older brother's death to Shijou Ayaka, your new Master, in the middle of the night, only a few moments after you learned of it yourself.She took it surprisingly well, and since then many things have happened. You slew one Servant, grew stronger by his death, and fled from another. You learned the truth that you were never human, but an artificial hero created by Judas. You discovered that there were two other artificial heroes created like yourself, and that they were your old comrades. Most recently, you've been forced to the betray the first people you had considered allies in this Holy Grail War. To make matters worse, this betrayal ended in a stalemate, with you wounded and your new enemies beating a successful retreat. Today you've rested and recovered, spending a day without battle-planning in the company of the snow-white magus princess, Liliesviel von Einzbern. Now you sit with Luviagelita and Truvietianne Edelfelt, discussing all that's become of you since your parting.None of your experiences have changed your goal. Whether or not your life has been by the design of another, and regardless of who stands in your way, there is only one path before you. You will take the Holy Grail, and with it your survival, with your own hands. Four Servants remain to fall by your sword.Previous thread: >>3759006Suptg Archive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Sweets-Loving%20QMStatus Information:https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
"Now you know the truth, Truvietianne," you say, shifting your gaze from the elder Edelfelt sister to the younger. "What do you think, having heard it? Shall we resume our old alliance, and seek victory together?"For a moment, the girl only looks at you, bewildered by the suggestion. Then she looks to her side, at her sister, and says something you can't understand; presumably in their native language. Luviagelita responds in the same language before turning to you and saying with a smile, "Your suggestion is quite intriguing, but also momentous. We cannot give you an answer without thoroughly considering the situation.""Besides, Yumigawa-kun," Truvietianne cuts in, her strident energy contrasting with Luviagelita's cultivated serenity, "there are too many questions you must answer! Why were you with the Einzberns? Who is this Kōrakuhime girl? How can you plan to have me join you in the Holy Grail War again, when I cannot become a Master?"You let slip an chuckle of undisguised mirth at Truvietianne's fervent questioning, considering your answers for a moment before speaking. "I believe you'd be most satisfied if I recounted the full details of my experience since escaping the Akeldama," you begin, " but we haven't the time. I'll limit myself to answering your questions. The Einzbern Master and I are cooperating, and it was for that reason that you met me in her company. I would like for you two to assist me in your capacity as magi of the illustrious Edelfelt house, without the need for either of you to be a Master. The aid of a potent magus is valuable in any circumstance, after all. Lastly, as for Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime, well, I'll let her speak for herself." As you mention Kōrakuhime, you find yourself nonchalantly patting her head with your left arm. You did it almost unconsciously, in fact. Of course you moved your arm behind her when she draped herself against you and would have pressed your hand between your side and hers; but you hadn't even thought about bringing it up to pet her, like some affectionate cat. You simply did so, without thinking, when she came into the conversation. It's a strange instinct, you suppose.When Kōrakuhime makes no move to speak beyond flushing slightly at your touch, Truvietianne quickly rounds on her. "Well? Who are you then," she demands, "and how do you fit into all of this?""I have given you my name... already." Kōrakuhime's voice is typically listless, but a suppressed smile faintly curves her dainty mouth. You can almost feel her excitement at the chance to continue her introduction, although none of the other three seems to notice that she has any emotion regarding the subject. "If you must... know more about me, however," Kōrakuhime continues, "I will say this. I am a second... artificial soul, created in the Akeldama and made into a Servant by the... energy which it held. When we knew one another before... I went by the name of Ogawara Yatsuhide."
At this, Truvietianne looks as if she's been turned to stone. You've never seen an expression stiffen so quickly. Luviagelita, by her side, simply looks on in confusion, perhaps hoping for someone to explain to her the significance of the name. Obviously Truvietianne isn't the girl for the job, though; once she finally manages to speak, it's to choke out, "Ogawara? But you-""Changed, just as Ani-ue did." Kōrakuhime cuts her off with surprising force. "We have both taken on new... forms, new names... we are different people from those who... bore our identities before.""Why, it isn't only your body," Truvietianne says, sounding more energetic in her disbelief with each word. "You simply cannot be Ogawara. Your personality has changed, and you don't stutter, and-" Before she can work herself into a proper rant about the nature of identity and personality, one of Luviagelita's hands moves, under the table, and suddenly Truvietianne goes quiet."Thank you for answering our questions, Sir Alberich," Luvia says, getting to her feet. "Now, we must consider your proposal; we can intrude upon you no longer. Come, Truvietianne." She practically drags Truvietianne away from the couch, the girl being in such a state of shock at Kōrakuhime's identity. It isn't long before she has her walking properly, however. Then, just as she's about to step into the front hall and make her exit, Luviagelita turns back to you one last time, and asks, "Incidentally, which of the enemy Servants do you intend to strike at tonight?" >[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>[ ] You'll prioritize something else tonight (Write in)
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)It's finally time for our vengeance. We will finally prove who is the True Saber of this Holy Grail War!
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Saber can be for later.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize something else.Look into the second miracle, summoning things.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Time for Odysseus.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)It's time.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)
>>3801072>"Incidentally, which of the enemy Servants do you intend to strike at tonight?"Why would Luvi ask about that?
>>3801072Ignore >>3801129>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)I still think we shod summon something first.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)We're still pretty much trash at dealing with ranged threats
>>3801173You are thinking that Luvia has already contacted Rin and they are planning to set up a trap for us?We can always give her false targed and actually hunt for elusive Assassin or search for our Akeldama gang.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>>3801173To segue us into a vote. >As you mention Kōrakuhime, you find yourself nonchalantly patting her head with your left arm. You did it almost unconsciously, in fact.>to pet her, like some affectionate cat. You simply did so, without thinking, when she came into the conversation. It's a strange instinct, you suppose.>When Kōrakuhime makes no move to speak beyond flushing slightly at your touchWell, at least our Affection Points aren't as low as we thought. Poor Ayaka.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)I want more power before we fight Saber, we'll need it cause we'll probably have to deal with her AND whatever bullshit Harris has cooked up.
>>3801071>"Besides, Yumigawa-kun," Well I guess she's just not going to stop calling us that. ...Alright then.Fine. Well, her reaction to Kourakuhime was about what I expected. Now we've given Tsubaki headpats, the next thing we need to do is mess with her horns.
>>3801200We have the element of surprise on our side. She and Harris think we're dead, most likely, seeing as they haven't come back to finish the job.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)With Saber still pinning him down, I like our odds.
>>3801072>>3801200>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)I'm changing my voice because the idea of the Emyia's finding her and making an alliance is something I want to nip in the bud
>>3801268Yeah, also that. We need to take care of Saber. NOW.
>>3801277Pfft, you worry too much. Saber might not be too happy to work with the girl who corrupted her and the man who murdered her.
>>3801277>>3801282Also, you're forgetting that Hag of Archer is plotting something, as she for some reason took the Master of Rider.Foiling an ongoing plot is more important than foiling a possible plot.
>>3801282But why wait?Why even get her the chance to consider the option or for her to learn about our continued exciting at all?>>3801288And yeah Hag might be planning something, but if we are successful in taking out Saber we'll be far more powerful than if we were to take out Archer and nab whatever they have for us.
>>3801288And finally, we know that Saber and Archer are involved in a stand-off already.Defeating Saber is going to use a lot of our energy and leave us wide open to an attack from Archer, who can attack us from likely over a few kilometers away.
>>3801293We also know Archer doesn't have enough power to kill Saber. That means her Instinct is keeping her safe, so if we claim it we'll be able to defend against his sniping, run up to him and score another kill.
>>3801297Or we could end up not reaching him just like her.
>>3801297No, we won't. Most Archers can function from kilometers away.Ayaka would be a fatal weakness as we would have to defend her in this scenario, even if we had Instinct.We also have no command spells left to give us any sort of speed boost to reach Archer.Additionally, we'd be almost entirely drained of our own energy from defeating Saber.
>>3801297Elaborating on this.Odin told us Saber and Archer have been in a stalemate because he doesn't have the power to kill her (easily) and she doesn't have the speed or durability to close in. We know IC that she has Instinct, which should let her swat arrows out of the air, and we have much better defensive measures than she does against arrows.If we jump in and start a fight with her, Hag of Archer will most likely elect to wait and see who wins -- that way she can score an easy kill because the winner will be too tired to fight, and will either retreat or be shot down. That means if we beat her then we have an easier fight because of our advantage against projectiles and Instinct.On the other hand, we can kill Archer first and face Saber tired while she's had plenty of time to rest. Or worse, she could come across Team Shirou: at best we lose some meals, and at worst they all unite against a common enemy because they hate us more than one another. Then they'll be impossible to defeat without Odin's help.
>>3801309>Team Shirou is impossible to defeat with Saber.Just add Korakuhime and Matsuda (sneaking suspicion that Hag of Archer might be involved with an Extra Servant due to her strange care for Rider's Master even though he should be useless to her.)Also>Kill Archer first>Still fight Saber somehow after for no reason Archers operate from Kilometres away.Meanwhile if we kill Saber first, Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.Saber has higher ranked speed and Mana Burst and can't reach Archer.
>>3801309Also, please don't tell me you mean to use Kenotis against an enemy that can volley dozens of arrows at us for the entire duration of a long charge.
>>3801319>Still fight Saber somehow after for no reasonWe have to kill her before she can meet Shirou, that place is neutral ground and we hate her.>Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.Berserker could've killed Ayaka the first time we fought him. Shirou and Rider couldn't scratch him and we couldn't do any permanent damage, so he could have smacked us out of the way and run over to Ayaka.Apparently she's good at hiding.Even disregarding all that, we have ways of dealing with Archer:>summon something to keep her safe>carry her with us and run over at a safe pace while we block with our impenetrable cape and indestructible sword>stay at a distance and throw portal slashes in his direction until he runs awayPick any one of these.>>3801322Tell me what you think is wrong with the idea.
>>3801319>Archers operate from Kilometres away.>Meanwhile if we kill Saber first, Archer is free to take potshots at us and Ayaka.Alberich can handle potshots now and will be even better at handling them after eating Saber. Ayaka has proven herself to be fully capable of keeping herself out of danger, and if worse comes to worst we have Korakuhime for added insurance. Maybe a building somewhere near the battlefield, close enough for Ayaka to do her shit, set up with one of Korakuhime's fields. If anyone tries to get in or something, Korakuhime puts em to sleep, and the shelter should provide enough cover for Ayaka not to get sniped while we take care of business. As far as I'm concerned, we are fully capable of taking out either of them, and I feel we have more to gain from killing Saber as well as more to lose from not taking care of her now.
>>3801360>>3801362We managed to stop a single projectile from Archer which we marvelled at it having the same amount of force as Blackbeard's cannons.If we're bringing Kourakuhime along, please recall what happened to Circe when she was hit by one of said cannons. Also>Berserker could've killed AyakaOh of course, Berserker, a class known for their excellent eyesight, ability to find their target and strategic decisions. >summon something We don't know our limits, this is too risky to try the first time in active combat. >carry her and run to a safe place You think Archer won't just use this as an opportunity to take more potshots or relocate?>spam portal slashes I shouldn't even have to tell you why this is retarded.
>>3801379Assuming Kourakuhime won't be active in the battle it should be fine either way.Assuming they aren't fighting in the middle of the forest, there should be buildings to put Ayaka and Kourakuhime in so they can bunker down while we do the fighting.
>>3801402But we're absolutely fucked if Archer determines their location.
>>3801413Pfft, you worry too much. Archer would be far too busy with Alberich and Saber to be hunting for a master he doesn't even know is anywhere close, and he can't very well destroy an entire complex of buildings on a hunch that they might be hiding in one of them.
>>3801421I still think exposing ourselves to Archer like a retard is super dangerous. We won't have the reserves to take him on after fighting Seiba.
>>3801379>>If we're bringing Kourakuhime along, please recall what happened to Circe when she was hit by one of said cannons.Recall that>he knew what we'd do, and my Μαρδοξ wasn't enough to stop all three of the shots.Also, there are more ways to protect Ayaka than simply blocking the shots, and Archer likely doesn't have the same rate of fire as Blackbeard because he has only one bow to shoot arrows with.>Oh of course, Berserker, a class known for their excellent eyesight, ability to find their target and strategic decisions.How soon you forget that Lumenza was giving him orders.>We don't know our limits, this is too risky to try the first time in active combat.I wanted to vote for staying in place and testing it, but I'm outnumbered.
>>3801431Lumenza couldn't give him orders while he was distracted though.Also, Lumenza couldn't afford to make such a stupid decision because Berserker sort of has to protect him against the three Servant level combatants. >Archer likely doesn't have the same rate of fire as Blackbeard because he has only one bow to shoot arrows with.Hahaha.Even EMIYA can arrowspam.Please, you would do well not to underestimate the Archer class.
>>3801495>Lumenza couldn't give him orders while he was distracted though.He wasn't distracted that time.
>>3801495>Also, Lumenza couldn't afford to make such a stupid decision because Berserker sort of has to protect him against the three Servant level combatants.If he wanted to be protected he would've kept Achilles right next to him to block everything.
>>3801500Irrelevant, he couldn't target Ayaka because it would lead to his shit getting fucked up.AlsoTypical Magus, so "muh prove superiority" was in full effect.
>>3801504What, and just hope nobody has an AoE Noble Phantasm to incinerate him through Berserker?That's dumbHell, if he was playing defensively, he would've been killed by a rift slash.
You know, we know absolutely nothing of Assassin and that worries me greatly.I mean hey its an Assassin who is being smart.
>>3801549I bet Assassin's Master wants to wait until the very end and steal the Grail from whoever comes out alive.
>>3801562>Last survivor is Servant with four other extra Servants as his allies.Mistakes were made.
>>3801580OrAlberich is literally about to make a wish and some sneaky asshole stabs him in the back.
>>3801589>gets past Two Casters worth of Bounded Fields and magic specifically trying to detect him>Adelheid doesn't notice anything with Mind's Eye (Fake): B>Matsuda doesn't notice anything with anything he's got>Alberich doesn't notice anything with Mind's Eye (True) and Instinct Combo.I'd say he earned that backstab.He better make it count though because Alberich has pseudo battle continuation and immunity to poisons.
Here's a thought, why don't we have Tsubaki scry on the Edelfelts now our conversation is over?See if we can find their true thoughts on the matter
>>3801619Speaking of Kōrakuhime, compared to how much I thought she would be smug and rub it in, she was awfully restrained. We should do something nice for her in appreciation of her not fucking everything up.Do headpats pacify her slightly?More research needs to be done to determine this.
>>3801173Because she's considering allying with you, and it's important to get a feel for the mentality of a possible partner?
So I know we've talked about this before, but since the update won't be out for a bit, does anyone have any ideas on what to swipe from Saber when we eat her?I know we could double dip at any time, but since energy from servants is limited and it's very likely we might want something from the other 2 combatants, if you could have one thing from her what would it be?I'm pretty sure Instinct would be the best for us since our sword is already freaky strong and while Magical Energy Burst would be useful, Instinct would make fighting a whole lot easier.
>>3802014Right now, the best candidates imo are Mana Burst, Instinct, applying Achilles's Immortality to our armour, Excalibur fusion and Bravery.We can get more power with enough sacrifices, too (Akeldama derived NP). So it might be possible to get all of them.We should probably go for Instinct immediately after taking out Saber though.
>>3802014Either the Divine Armor from Achilles or Conceptual Biology EX. Anything else, save maybe Mana Burst is useless for us.
>>3802053>Instinct>worthless Come on friend, it's kind of a necessity. The combo with EotM will be great and that alone will make us unbelievably bullshit skilled with a sword. Also we're up against a War God, we need all the advantages we can get.Mana Burst is less useful for us, we'd be better using it with an A-rank Magical Energy Parameter or higher otherwise we'll run out of steam real quick.
>>3802082You seem pretty focused on combining Eye of the Mind with Instinct, though you haven't fully upgraded the skill you already have. Why is that?
>>3802089I don't want to combine it with EotMI just want both.And yes, upgrading EotM is also important. Instinct A is bullshit as far as skills go
Thinking about it, mixing avalon with kenotis might be what we want
>>3802014I'm still going for Excalibur+HGS, since we have a holy sword ourselves may as well add in THE holy sword to it and find out what fun it'll entail. That and I figure we can hold out on the actual skill portion with getting sacrifices for ourselves since I'm not really feeling for Instinct as an immediate pick up
>>3802102>mixing Avalon with KenotisShame it doesn't exist anymore.I too would like an EX ranked cloak that makes us totally invincible to anything upon activation in addition to passively providing pseudo-immortality with bullshit regeneration.
>>3801961Kamen Rider: GATE OF KAMEN RIDER!Gil: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>3802114Hey we still got Archer and Assassin to go through so they'll have some nice stuff surely
>>3802116Great, now you just need the question of "is there a Kamen Rider that can beat Gilgamesh".
>>3802103Well it seems like we should grind EotM (true) to A before getting Instinct at least.Should we do that, we'll be one of the greatest swordsmen in the existence.Excalibur + Heilig for ExcaliblastsInvulnerability ArmourEotM A and Instinct AConceptual Biology EXMana BurstBravery.
>>3802121That's true, I suppose.I can't wait to get some mass sacrifices going for all these upgrades.Prisons only though unless we get desperate.Those pesky gas leaks.
>>3802129We sacrifice every criminal in Tokio (at least those who trutly deserve it). After the war, we have:1-Invulnerable portal cape.2-Invulnerable near-instakill portal sword (with ranged attacks and summons).3-Invulnerable armour.4-Not-Avalon.5-EotM A+/EX and Instinct A.6-Conceptual biology EX.7-Mana Burst.8-Bravery.9-All stats at A or above.10-Etc (Hagia Sophia for Invulnerable Dracula castle where we are even stronger, also immortal, also can fly, shoot supercannons and is full of subservient ghost knights, maids and other servants because blackberad's ship... and anything else we can get)Now imagine that you are an amateur Master in an alternate reality. >The Einzbern summon Archer/Caster Zeus>The cocktower assholes summon Lancer/Caster Shiva.>The church summons literal GOD as a Ruler. >You get desperate and summon a random Servant with a sword that fell from a malfunctioning portal hoping to get some strong eldritch god/aberration. >You get an sentient, sane [Berserker] Albino guy that inmediately starts screaming "KORAKUHIMEEEE".>You look at his "Servant sheet".>E R E C T I O N.
>>3802223We can't really get a Not-Avalon due to it not being around.The most we could do is ask Circe if she can make us something that allows us to heal quicker.You forgot Primordial RunesAnd Gungnir + Excalibur on Heilig.Sadly, the Akeldama NPs aren't really a possibility. >God as Ruler...What?>cocktower assholesThis typo got me.
>>3802251You know I just got an idea into my mind, since stealing Roland's horn would bring Kosmos Orobouros I have something else.Stealing the Adam Golem from Solomon bin-Gabriol. What'd that be like?I also believe that to get the greatest swordbeam of all time. We MUST steal Ars Almadel Solomonis
>>3802262>We MUST steal Ars Almadel SolomonisNah, we gotta steal Slash Emperor if we want that.
>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)Saber hates us so much that if we attack Archer they have will ally with each other against us while Archer will have a higher chance to either help us or let us kill her without interfering.>>3801619That was a thought I had too. They would hardly tell us no to our faces right now, so knowing if they want to ally, only pretend to or plain refuse is useful, so would be knowing if Truvi thinks different about it than Luvia.
>>3802282Por que no los dos? Oh shit I almost forgot>>3801072>[ ] You'll prioritize the other Saber. (Pride/Duty)We should stick to our strengths as a close combat fighter rather than have to slough through arrows before dealing with Archer.
>>3802285>Saber hates us so much that if we attack Archer they have will ally with each other against us Saber is unlikely to see the battle unfolding.>Archer will have a higher chance to either help us or let us kill her without interfering.Why do you believe this? Archer is highly likely to be pragmatic and take us out as soon as he gets the chance. Especially if it's Odysseus.Also, remember that Luvia is trying to get a read on us, going after the other Saber because "muh pride" won't be a great look.Archers meanwhile tend to more dangerous to non-servants than Sabers due to the range advantage.
>>3802300There's a reason going after Archer is Self-Preservation. Fighting him on his own terms (ie. After killing Saber, low on energy and with him miles away in a sniping spot) is far too dangerous.
>>3802291>We should stick to our strengths as a close combat fighter rather than have to slough through arrows before dealing with Archer.The problem with that is we're definitely getting attacked by Archer after defeating Saber, meaning we get the lovely experience of facing Archer while exhausted when he's been observing everything we can do while fighting Saber.Meanwhile, if we scry for Archer we can get the drop on him and engage him by surprise.
>>3802300>Saber is unlikely to see the battle unfolding.Both are fighting each other every night. If we attack during the night it's pretty much impossible to do so without the other finding out.>Why do you believe this? Archer is highly likely to be pragmatic and take us out as soon as he gets the chance. Because Saber thinks we are some avatar of the shadow. It doesn't get more likely that she will take any chance to get us killed. With Archer we do have the chance that he waits until we finished off Saber, because he believes we will be weaker after, since he doesn't know that we get stronger with each defeated servant.
>>3802323I imagine if Matsuda IS here we could go for breaking control of him, him and Alberich dealing with Archer quickly while minimizing energy output. After that we can hunt down Artoria and have a proper round 2
>>3802326>we get stronger with each defeated servant.This is correct, but also isn't right. We'll still be out of reserves after a big fight, meaning we'll still be an excellent target.Do you really want Archer observing every single one of our abilities planning to defeat us?When it could be fucking Odysseus?One of the most intelligent and best planning heroes around?The guy literally fucking known as Odysseus the Cunning?
>>3802291I'm gonna switch my vote>[ ] You'll prioritize the dangerously long-range Archer. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)We already know what all Saber has, so time we find out who exactly Archer is and what we can provide if nothing of use may as well get a parameter boost or to unlock Achilles' invincibility armor for ourselves
>>3802332It's shit in any way, but it is better than attacking Odysseus and having Saber also attack us.Best would be to attack Assassin, but we can't find him, or to kill the Emiyas for power ups.
>>3802336You're assuming that Saber would join a battle when Archer is likely kilometres away.You're also assuming that Harris will permit her to do such a thing even if he were aware of the battle.
>>3802342Those two know where to find each other, kilometers aren't a great distance for servants and us feeling like the shadow is a very good motivation for Saber to want us dead even more than Archer.And Harris might not like it, but would he burn a command seal to stop her?
>>3802342Also, a Saber vs an Archer close range is a battle that tends to end in seconds.Hell, even EMIYA almost immediately got destroyed and he's one of the most melee Archers in existence.If a fight started on our terms, Archer would be struck down in seconds. Saber meanwhile is going to be a very prolonged fight.
>>3802351>If a fight started on our terms, Archer would be struck down in seconds.Yeah, if we start the fight on our terms. But somehow lacking anything allowing for stealth I seriously doubt we can get that close without Archer noticing us.
>>3802349>Kilometers aren't a great distance for ServantsGreater than you might imagine. There's a reason Saber can't get to Archer.Saber seems to be quite loyal to her new master as of right now, she didn't finish us off because she was commanded not to.She's likely trying to make up for her forced betrayal last war.And by the time Saber can reach us, Archer should be dead.There's also the problem of Harris attacking Ayaka when she does the ritual.If he's done his research, he'll probably know what's going on by now and will track her down even if we hide her.
>>3802357>But somehow lacking anything allowing for stealthTsubaki had to have done something to avoid discovery this entire time.
>>3802359>There's a reason Saber can't get to Archer.Because if you get shot at it is a lot harder to close the distance. If Archer is occupied with us then it is much faster.>Saber seems to be quite loyal to her new master as of right now, she didn't finish us off because she was commanded not to.Or she just didn't see a great reason to go against orders when we would die anyway.>>3802362>Tsubaki had to have done something to avoid discovery this entire time.Bounded fields and I don't think those are portable.
>>3802365>Or she just didn't see a great reason to go against orders when we would die anyway.She obviously wasn't happy with the decision, if she thinks we're some Angra Mainyu thing she also wouldn't expect killing our master to have worked to get rid of us.>Because if you get shot at it is a lot harder to close the distance. If Archer is occupied with us then it is much faster.You're literally making up the worst case scenario for if we target Archer.In all likelihood, Saber doesn't actually get involved. Meanwhile, if we fight Saber first, we may as well reveal all of our abilities to Archer, and he already knows about our ability to get stronger by killing Servants, as he was almost certainly watching the Rider fight.
>>3802365>I don't think those are portable.She could always apply one to our armor.
>>3802383Not "always" but "probably".
>>3802373>You're literally making up the worst case scenario for if we target Archer.>In all likelihood, Saber doesn't actually get involved.>Meanwhile, if we fight Saber first, we may as well reveal all of our abilities to Archer, and he already knows about our ability to get stronger by killing Servants, as he was almost certainly watching the Rider fight.So why would Saber not see us fighting Archer but Archer see us fighting Saber?Your best argument is that we will have killed Archer before Saber arrived, but considering how Archer isn't a pushover, how all our other fights with servants never were short and how a servant like Saber can close the distance very fast without having to worry about getting shot it is very unlikely that we will have killed Archer before she arrives.>>3802383I think she had to establish a new one for every home she murdered people in so not sure that works?
>>3802398>Saber not see us fighting Archer but Archer see us fighting Saber?Oh gee, maybe it has something to do with the Archer class being made up of Archers, specialised at long range fighting?Saber won't see shit unless she's actually already there. She'd also get attacked by Archer too if she showed up. Making it a Free-for-All.Why would Saber charge into a battle between two Servants anyway?She's still got some "muh honour" left. Also, you're really overestimating Archers in melee.
>>3802408Anyway, it's worse for us if Archer (assuming he is Odysseus) sees our capabilities than for Saber to see them.Odysseus is a strategic genius, renowned as one of the best in history. Saber's main strategy in ruling was "Agravain pls help" and her main strategy in battle is to hit the enemy with her magic sword till it goes away.
>>3801072Looks like we've gotArcher: 8Saber: 7Doing something else or not telling Luvia your plans: Nil
>>3802553>not telling Luvia your plans: NilWell hopefully they consider our honesty to be a good thing for a prospective alliance.
>>3802223>Hagia Sophia for Invulnerable Dracula castle where we are even stronger, also immortal, also can fly, shoot supercannons and is full of subservient ghost knights, maids and other servants because blackberad's ship... and anything else we can get>The Einzbern summon Archer/Caster Zeus>The cocktower assholes summon Lancer/Caster Shiva.>The church summons literal GOD as a Ruler. the fuck you shootin up anon cause i want some
I really wish we had intel on archer to use in making a gameplan to fight him instead of the typical rushing in and finding whatever skill Sweets chose to no-sell all of our abilities with.
>>3802932>instead of the typical rushing in and finding whatever skill Sweets chose to no-sell all of our abilities withKEK
>>3802932We could always ask Tsubaki to tag along.
>>3802993Not until we give her a battery.This is why I wanted Truvi here.
>>3802494To be fair, most of Odysseus' strategical feats were performed against idiots. I mean, the wooden horse? Tricking a cyclops? Dressing as an old man? Most of them were pretty basic.
>>3803395>the wooden horse?One old guy saw through it and everyone just ignored him completely, so that makes the people of Troy doubly stupid. -2>Tricking a cyclops?To be fair, he tricked that cyclops into getting incredibly drunk first. +1>Dressing as an old man?Athena helped with that. +1
>>3803395Yes, but he was the only one who could think of them and they all worked.Also, he's a mythological character, so I'm not quite sure what you were expecting when it comes to shows of ingenuity.Almost the entirety of his legend is him being a clever tricky motherfucker. Unrelated but we need to headpat Kōrakuhime more often.Next time she gets all haughty, stroke one of her horns.
What Odysseus might have:>Affections of the Goddess>Mind's Eye (True)>Military Tactics>Advice of the Strategist>CharismaPick any of these, but no more than four.
>>3803824>CharismaPlease and thank you.No but for real, probably Mind's Eye (True) is probably the best choice.
>>3803824A Servant Odysseus would only have Affections of the Goddess if he'd accepted Circe or Calypso. Having spurned them and lost the help they offered, he's out of luck where divinity is concerned.
"Archer," you answer firmly, meeting her eyes. You remember the humiliation you were put through at the hands of the Archer summoned in the Akeldama quite well. Now that you have an ally who can divine the location of your foes, there's only one possible answer as to your highest priority. "An enemy that can move without a Master and strike from a great distance is one I can no longer leave undisturbed.""A battle between a Saber and an Archer, hmm?" Luviagelita smiles approvingly, like a patron looking forward to an excellent play. "That will certainly be a sight worth seeing. I'll be anticipating your duel, Sir Alberich." With those words of anticipation, she gives you a little wave and follows her sister out the door. In her wake, you're left with an odd, uncertain feeling. You can't quite tell whether her excitement at the prospect of watching you fight is real or sarcastic, and her general motives are similarly uncertain. Tohsaka said that Luviagelita had been removed from her mission due to a family emergency, didn't she? In that case, the Edelfelt sisters are here on their own authority; it's impossible for a magus outside the participants to become a Master at this point, though, so what they could want from the Holy Grail you can't guess."Was that true, Saber-san? You want to go after Archer tonight?" Ayaka's voice brings you suddenly out of your reverie. That's right, now isn't the time to be lost in thought over the Edelfelts' motivations. You need to make your plans with Ayaka and Kōrakuhime quickly; before Saber and Archer can get into their nightly duel, if possible."What I said to Luviagelita Edelfelt was true," you answer. "We haven't been able to pursue our most dangerous foes up until now due first to a lack of information and then to our plans with Emiya. Now, though, my sister can guide us by divination with no further hindrances. Tonight we shall dispose of Archer, the Servant most capable of interfering in future battles.""Well... said, Ani-ue." Kōrakuhime, still draped over you, gives you her tiny smile. "One would... expect you to seek out your revenge... by hunting that other Saber... but you always examine the situation... rationally.""I'm glad you understand, Kōrakuhime," you reply, moving your left arm back around her shoulders and holding her. After so much insolence from the girl, it's an excellent feeling to finally have her respect. "Your time spent advising me during the War in the Akeldama was not wasted. Now, show us where Archer is hiding.""Here, Ani-ue." Kōrakuhime draws a white origami lotus out of her sleeve and hangs it in the air, just as she did when showing you Liliesviel's location. In a few moments, the smoke that pours from the flower forms into a thick cloud hanging over the coffee table, and in that smoke the hazy form of the city skyline begins to take shape. Then it grows more and more solid, and color fills in, until the image is as clear as a film projection.
Two angular towers rise from a unified rectangular base, stretching up into the night sky high above the surrounding buildings. Pale cement lines the space between innumerable windows, and at the higher points numerous satellite dishes and antennae dot the surface of the building. It's not a structure you can mistake for any other. "Tochō," you murmur, "Archer is there?" "Look," is Kōrakuhime's answer, and the image moves, the point of view drawing closer and closer to the roof of the southern tower, where you can clearly see your quarry: Akagata Kyouka, the Master of Archer, stands at the edge of a heliport that covers the roof, and looks out at the city below. Her black evening dress whips in the high wind that comes with the altitude, but it doesn't seem to make an impact on the woman herself. She looks out over the city with a bored, impatient expression as she smokes from a lengthy kiseru. Beside her stands an enormous, musclebound warrior, easily the equal of Berserker in frame, with short, curly black hair and a beard to match. He's dressed in similar armor to Berserker's as well; another Greek, you suppose. This must be Archer, surveying the battlefield from above."I've allowed you to choose the location tonight, Archer," she says, and Ayaka starts a little at the sound of her voice. Up until now, the smoke has shown only silent imagery; the sound of the city, the wind, and other ambient noise are all absent. "I hope you will not disappoint me again.""Don't worry, Master," Archer replies, and his voice is so casual and friendly that it shocks you. It's completely at odds with his appearance as a grim-faced soldier, as well as Kyouka's cultivated, elegant tone of command. "I can promise you, no Servant will set foot on this rooftop but me. With this location, I'll be able to put Saber down without a doubt.""We've seen enough," you cut in. "Dispel the magic.""Very well," Kōrakuhime answers, and the smoke begins to dissipate as the image fades from view. "Archer said they were waiting for Saber," Ayaka says, giving you a nervous look. "How could they already know you were going to attack them, Saber-san?""Those two aren't waiting for me," you begin. "It's the other Saber they intend to kill tonight. She who left me to die after her Master slew your brother. When I was recuperating with Liliesviel today, I spoke with her Lancer as well. He's a self-proclaimed specialist in gathering information, and according to him Archer and Saber have been locked in a stalemate every night. Saber cannot close the distance to Archer, while Archer cannot break Saber's guard with his arrows. By waiting at the top of a building that towers over its surroundings, I imagine he intends to force her to make the ascent without cover or maneuverability, and shoot her down then.""So what do you plan to do, then, Saber-san? Wouldn't you be just as vulnerable as she is?"
You shake your head. "That 'knight' is a Saber in the truest sense of the word. She is nothing but a sword, without means of defense or ranged combat. I, on the other hand, have Kenótis and Heiligöffnungschwert. I can strike from a distance, and defend more thoroughly while drawing closer. Tonight will mark my first victory over that accursed creature. I'll defeat the foe she cannot!" Even when discussing a battle against another Servant, the thought of that bitch sends you into a rage. Your fists clench unconsciously, and you can't help grinding your teeth. Tonight you must face Archer, but tomorrow... oh, tomorrow you will have your satisfaction. Perhaps you'll begin by using your Nothingness to disarm her, so you can deal with her execution without the need of your own sword. Snapping the slim arms that raised a sword against you between your hands, crushing the throat that dared to call you a liar, using a thumb to gouge out the eyes that looked down on you, there are so many things you could do with her...You're snapped out of your reverie by a tiny, almost inaudible moan just by your ear. Suddenly you realize that there is flesh under your hand, and not that hated Saber's. Your fingers are digging into Kōrakuhime's shoulder! You let go with a snap, turning to the girl. "Are you alright, Kōrakuhime? My apologies, I lost myself for a moment." There are tears in the corners of her eyes, and her lips are slightly parted, her breaths coming heavily. She's flushed again, as well, and you suppose she must be embarrassed at having been hurt so casually, because she quickly breaks away from your gaze, turning her eyes downward and saying, "It was... nothing, Ani-ue. I'll heal... in a moment." True to her words, she's back to normal after a few deep breaths, although the small bloodstain on her furisode remains as testament to your loss of control. "Very well then. If you've recovered, then we can leave the manor in your care." You get to your feet. "Miss Ayaka, let us be off. Further delay could lead to Harris attacking Archer before we can.""Wait," Kōrakuhime interjects. "I will not... remain here tonight. I wish to... test myself against this Archer. I cannot continue... hunting, only.""Is that so," you say. >[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>[ ] "Nonetheless, you will not be accompanying us. A Masterless Servant shouldn't be on the front lines, Kōrakuhime. Remain here and conserve your energy for a response in case of an attack on the manor." (Duty/Pride)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
Sorry to miss the update yesterday. A work problem cropped up, and I ended up having to go out almost right after I posted the tally. I'm hoping I can get another update written tonight, though, if enough of you are online now that I have a decent number of votes in the next hour or two.
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3805124>>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Stupid oni NEET finally earning her keep
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Yeah, we could use backup here.
So what's the gameplan?Maybe we can present a distraction while Tsubaki sneaks in and either takes the hag as a hostage or attacks Archer directly.
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)She keeps Ayaka from getting GREEKED, we massacre the betrayer. Simple as.
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)>Alberich SEETHED so hard that Kourakuhime got harmedKek.
>>3805297>She got harmedAnd seemed to like it too.
>>3805308probably an incest fantasy
>>3805315A demonic masochistic incest fantasy
>>3805315>>3805317>she wants us to be dominating on top of being dependableJust what you'd expect from a former hikki otaku. Who knows what sort of degenerate fantasies cooking in her head right now.
>>3805124>[ ] "In that case, come with us. Between the two of us, Archer's defeat will be ensured." (Compassion/Self-Preservation)Alberich please don't go into a retard rage thinking about the local Servant bully and hurt your sister. Damn this superhuman strength.Now we definitely need to do something nice for her.
>>3805334>degenerate fantasiesI bet the number one thing on her list right now is holding hands.
>>3805355Good lord, what would Judas think?
>>3805466As long as you wear gloves, it's fine.
>>3805489The plan:>tsubaki makes an illusion of alberich to bait out any preliminary strikes in case archer decides to use his NP>alberich runs out and distracts archer>tsubaki hides herself and ayaka in the same way she hid near sakura and both sneak in FIND OUT IF SHE CAN DO THIS FOR MORE THAN ONE PERSON>once they get to the tower, tsubaki takes the hag as a hostage until alberich gets there, while ayaka prepares the ritual>alberich kills archer and eats himThe first draft. What's wrong with this plan?
>>3805791Before we head out we should probably ask Tsubaki to explain her NPs in detail.
>>3805791It puts the squishy Tsubaki and Ayaka in danger, to begin with. Tsubaki is a support Servant and should act as such.Distracting and annoying Archer with illusions and fire and protecting Ayaka is enough. Plus, we don't know if Hag of Archer has any trump cards, like Outer Assassin or something like that. She still has Master of Rider with her as well.
>>3805988Honestly, Tsubaki would do best to defend Ayaka and just pressure Akagata. If Archer's attention is even slightly split he'll be easy pickings for the new and improved Alberich.
>>3805915That'd be a good idea
We could ask Tsubaki to throw some magical flash grenades like magic missiles with enough energy to kill a magi (make sure to remotely launch the missiles from a safe distance and not from wherever the girls are hiding). Archer can either let the missiles hit his master, jump from the building (losing the high ground anakin and becoming an easy falling target for rift slashes or bladed ribbons) or shooting the grenades doqn. That way, when Archer takes aim and blows them up... he'll probably close his eyes before getting blinded, right?Also Tsubaki needs to keep her fetishes under control, Alberich would have noticed her bdsm micro orgasm if he wasn't the most oblivious murderknight in the world. Also in love (Where are you Circe? Please, tell me you aren't with Ullises, again).
>>3806508>Also in loveAlberich is struggling with this whole "love" thing, due to only having had the capability to love for like 3 weeks.While he certainly loves Circe.He also loves Adelheid.And Liliesviel.And Ayaka is up there.Tsubaki is also trying to get up there too but still kind of has autism.Alberich is struggling with these new emotions and being surronded by beautiful girls isn't helping them. Damn it Ogawara, what sort of garbage anime did you watch to influence our sister like this?I think the best way to determine love forAlberich right now is whether or not he would risk his life to save them.
>>3805988How else are you going to get Ayaka up there? The ritual won't work from miles away.
You consider the matter for a moment. You're not certain of Kōrakuhime's aptitude in battle, after all, and it might be better to have her stay here and defend the manor against attack by those who might try to weaken you by destroying your base of operations. On the other hand, you must consider the danger that an enemy specialized in ranged combat can pose against your master. Eventually, you make up your mind that leaving Kōrakuhime at the manor would be an act of misplaced caution. She can be most helpful by your side. "In that case," you say, "come with us. With you and I working together, Archer's defeat will be assured.""Indeed," Kōrakuhime answers, giving you her slight smile. "We will... butcher him, together.""Let us go, then." You turn on your heel, making for the garage. "We can discuss tactics as we approach Tochō. We haven't a moment to spare." The two girls catch up to you quickly enough, and the three of you hastily get into Vaisset's Mercedes and pull out onto the road. Fortunately, you don't need an address this time. Not only is the center of Tokyo's metropolitan government a landmark, Yumigawa visited it several times as a teenager. Why he kept returning to the place, wandering the halls and examining as much of the building as was open to the public, you're not certain; he didn't know why even then, only that it was one of the few impulses to drive his generally emotionless mind. Perhaps even then he was fond of power, as you are now, and the trappings of it drew him despite their bland, bureaucratic facade. You remember the way 'you' stood between offices, watching the employees moving to and fro, carrying the documents that would determine all the little parts of human life for which government is required; the way 'your' eyes moved with them, tracking the documents, scanning their natures; the way 'you' were filled with a strange nervous tension that you couldn't place.You shake your head, blinking the reverie away. Now isn't the time to lose yourself in Yumigawa Rushorou's memories. You're headed to a death match, after all, and it's the roof of the building you'll be making your way to tonight. You need to focus on something else, to keep your mind in the present. Then an idea strikes, for a subject both diverting and practical. Of course, why hadn't you thought to ask earlier?"Kōrakuhime, why don't you tell me about your Noble Phantasms?" You glance over to your left as you ask, taking your eyes off the road for just a moment to meet your sister's. "I realize that you attempted to give me information on all of your abilities the night that we met, but I'm afraid the memory of that dream hasn't been very clear.""My... Noble Phantasms." Kōrakuhime considers the question for a few moments, before continuing in a suddenly mirthful voice, "No, I don't... believe I will tell you, Ani-ue. If you would... like to know what they can do, I'm afraid that you must... wait until they're needed."
You're about to round angrily on the girl, when you turn a corner and suddenly see a dark-clothed figure standing in the middle of the road! You slam on the brakes, coming to a stop some distance away. Despite the near-accident, the man doesn't move, however. He simply stands there, motionless in the middle of the road, staring up into the sky. As you look around, you realize that the street is deserted aside from your car and the man. What's worse, you realize something else. It's weak, so it didn't make an impact on your senses immediately, but the presence of this man is unmistakably that of a Servant."Stay in the car," you hiss, "I'll deal with this." You get out of the car, eyes focused and seeking the slightest sign of movement. If he makes a move to attack, you'll have your blade materialized before he can close the distance. You slowly approach the unknown Servant, keeping your guard up. As you do so, though, you can't help but gradually relax. This Servant doesn't even seem to be aware of your presence. Even as you draw closer, and he should be able to clearly feel your presence, he remains motionless and goes on staring at the sky. Finally, you're close enough to get a good look at the strange figure. He wears a long silk robe, more Chinese than Japanese in design, all black save for cloth-of-gold stitching at the edges that gives the garment an oddly luminous quality. As for the man himself, he's as tall as you are, but far more slender. Black hair falls below his shoulders, framing an androgynously beautiful pale face and black eyes. All-in-all, he presents a thoroughly non-threatening picture. This must be Assassin, you surmise; a specialist in stealth, caught off his guard. The notion almost saddens you. As you're enjoying your cheerful thoughts of an easy victory, the man's face suddenly snaps back down, and he looks straight at you. He blinks twice, and then his mouth splits into a wide grin."Kaichou," he exclaims, in a rough voice totally at odds with his princely face. "Great ta see ya again! How've you been holdin' up?""It couldn't be," you mutter under your breath. Your bewilderment at this encounter can only mount, as you stare at the strange Servant, looking for any sign of the young gangster you knew in the Akeldama. "Matsuda?""Got it in one!" Matsuda's grin disappears as his tone becomes more serious. "I don't blame ya for bein' surprised. You haven't changed as much as I have, have ya?""No, I suppose I haven't," you admit. "I appear almost as I did at the end of the War, but you... I can hardly believe you're standing there before me, looking the way you do."
"Yeah, seems like I saved all my changin' for the end," Matsuda says, and looks positively morose for a moment, before meets your eyes again with a friendly expression. "Not you though, huh, Kaichou? Ya never gave up that trainin' no matter how many times I beat ya down, and every time ya came back, it was like ya were a whole new guy again." He pauses for a moment, considering, then continues, "Speakin' of which, why don't ya answer a question of mine, Kaichou? D'ya think ya woulda survived the War without me? If I hadn't taught ya ta fight, could ya have made it on your own?">[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>>3807282>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)>[ ] Say something else (Your lessons however certainly made select moments of my struggle easier than it would have been otherwise so your training was without a doubt of great value.)
>>3807282Oh well here we fucking go.Time for a war of words to determine the true eldest sibling between the two who aren't lazy Hikkis.By saying we needed his training to survive, we lose face.But by saying they were of no use to us, we risk insulting him.Really we should give an answer praising the training but also bringing up other circumstances like Caster's combat experience enhancing gloves she made for us.And if we didn't have them, we almost certainly would've just made different plans.Our physical training was always less important than our ability to keep a calm facade when we had no desire other than to kill our opponent.After all, if you couldn't kill a Master before they could say a few syllables, you would die from their command spell.
>>3807290Then again, Matsuda's intention here might be far simpler, merely wishing to know if we considered him useful in the Akeldama. >"Yeah, seems like I saved all my changin' for the end," Matsuda says, and looks positively moroseAnd then the statement after implies he really wasn't happy, being forced to sit on the back lines.Well, we know that to be the case, anyway.
>>3807282>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)
>>3807279>matsuda became a wuxia protagthe fuck
>>3807290>>3807294You might be overthinking this, anon. Matsuda's a bro, he just wanted to know if he helped us in the end.
>>3807299But to say he saved out life is a bit much. Pride really is the most honest answer here, even if it's an ass thing to say.I'm sure he'd appreciate it more, than honeyed words to make him feel better.
>>3807297That's kind of unimportant, what is important is how the fuck he's survived for so long with no Master.Also, we aren't sure just how aware he is of his new status.Has he spoken to Judas?I'm glad we brought Kourakuhime, it's a full on family reunion!>>3807282>>[ ] "No, I don't think I could. The fighting techniques I learned from you saved my life, Matsuda." (Compassion)"But really, all three of us had our parts to play. My planning, Ogawara's research and your training were all crucial aspects that allowed for our victory. Now, with us reunited as the heroes we were destined to be, we should be unstoppable." (Or something)Also we should call him brother.>>3807301Then we should take compassion. It's telling the truth anyway, without the training, Ambrose wouldn't have died so easily and Keiseki might've been able to call Rider.
>>3807301That training definitely saved us against O'Mordha. Without it JUSTinian might've overwhelmed Perseus before we could kill him, and then we would be putting another stamp on the shelf.
>>3807282>suddenly matsudaWait, what's going on? Did I miss something?
>>3807309B rank and A+ rank Luck.It's the long awaited return of BroQuest except Bro #2 is now a girl and Bro #1 has unknown circumstances right now.Also Ayaka is here too.With 3 Servants though, we should be a fairly undefeatable force, depending on Matsuda's circumstances. At least until we have to fight Odin.
>>3807314Matsuda's an Assassin now, so it really couldn't be timed better than our assault on an Archer stationed on top of a tall building. That's some luck.
>>3807324Matsuda isn't an Assassin.And we don't know what the fuck he's up to.For all we know he could be working with Hag of Archer, Or this person really COULD be Assassin, who killed our dear brother and stole his faceEither way, don't count your chickens before they hatch.
>>3807333>>Matsuda isn't an Assassin.>It's weak, so it didn't make an impact on your senses immediately, but the presence of this man is unmistakably that of a Servant.>This must be Assassin, you surmiseAre you calling Alberich a liar? For shame.>For all we know he could be working with Hag of ArcherIn that case he's about to betray Hag of Archer very soon.>spoilerWhat are the odds, honestly? Now that I say that...
>>3807282>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)I would have simply adjusted my tactics accordingly
>>3807333>Matsuda isn't an Assassin >couldn't be scryed He's an Assassin.>Assassin killed our brother and stole his faceAnd his memories too? Even we can't do that with the Shijou ritual.>could be working with Hag of Archer And he'd choose her over his siblings why?
>>3807333It's probably nothing, but it is also interesting that we meet Matsuda now just after telling Luvia and Truvi about our target this night.And if his master is Luvia or Truvi and they aren't on our side then his command seals make him a danger.
Do you guys actually believe that we couldn't have survived without his training? If so, great. But I feel like it's more motivated by the (Compassion) tag and being dishonest to the most likable character in this quest.
>>3807372With the tactics we used, no.We couldn't have.His training was incredibly important for murdering our enemies. It opened up the options that enabled us to succeed as well as we did.It's not dishonesty either. Ambrose likely could've held out for much longer if we weren't trained, allowing Adelheid to break out.Keiseki might have not instantly died from our attack, allowing him to call Archer.O'Mordha might've just been able to kill us.
>>3807377>call ArcherRider, I should say.Anyway, why don't you want to accept he was an integral part of our victory?
>>3807372I agree with >>3807377. We were voting to go out and fight people head-on (vs O'Mordha, vs Blackbeard Dead End, vs Adelheid Dead End, vs Man With No Name Dead End, vs Judas), and it's obvious that one would need good technique to win fights consistently.
>>3807282>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her. But it would have been the victory of a child hiding behind his mother's skirts, rather than that of the proud warrior. Your techniques were of great use for my purposes. (Humility)
>>3807408Oh, I do kind of like this.
>>3807427>forgot to put iGoddamnit.Let me try that again.>>3807279 #Switching from >>3807296 # to>Write-in: "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless: I had Caster by my side, and the wit to make good use of her. But it would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory." (Pride/Compassion)
>>3807429Now, I don't think you can classify it as compassion/pride. The pride response with an acknowledgement of Matsuda's import is too cognizant of Alberich's own lack back in the day to not be /humility/.
>>3807436I don't see humility in it at all. > would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardlessVery confident.> But it would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory."This implies even more pride, implying that we're above any other path to victory
>>3807282>>[ ] "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda, but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and enough wit to make good use of her." (Pride)I can see Compassion too, but why the hell would Alberich suddenly take an action originating from humility when he is practically the opposite of humble, unless it is false humility?
>>3807282Switching from >>3807303 and >>3807445To support >>3807429 or just Compassion aloneThe Humility vote kind of accidentally shittalks him.The Pride vote wrongly implies his help wasn't crucial.
>>3807436The other anon made my arguments in >>3807460, so I'll just note that it implies that Matsuda was important in getting the only good victory. I classified it as /Pride/ because Alberich considers any other victory to be beneath him and /Compassion/ because it recognizes that Matsuda's teachings were what allowed it in the first place (and thus that Alberich needed his help).
>>3807489>>3807460Sound enough positions. The principle of the writein(s) is what matters, not the nitty gritty of alignment.
So, with this many Servants (as long as Matsuda doesn't go full retard), there's no issue with going after Saber after this.Good fucking luck Harris, hope you're prepared for a 3v1 beatdown.It's a good thing Saber is Arturia and not Lancelot.Arondight is one of those unbreakable swords.Excalibur isn't specifically but it might be unbreakable just because of what it is.Regardless I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of the actual King of Jobbers. after disarming her. And Harris is getting a very painful end indeed.
>>3807605What a coincidence, I just finished this.Hair is a piece of shit for now, though.
>>3807615Wow yeah,That uh.Needs some work.Finally though, the heroes are reunited. I can't wait to see one of the enemy master's responses to "THREE SERVANTS" Alberich himself is now strong enough to almost defeat two Servant level enemies alone, while nerfed.Heilig is such a great NP.Caster should be an excellent Master Killer and should be able to set up bounded fields to heavily weaken enemy servants.Matsuda should also be a fairly powerful Servant, but his capabilities are unknown right now.
>>3807429Supporting this too. Seems rather fitting.
>>3807642>Matsuda should also be a fairly powerful Servant, but his capabilities are unknown right now.Taking a guess here.He's a martial artist, so expect much better CQC and something related to Qi control (maybe a relative of Sphere Boundary? Tsubaki couldn't find him at all). He'll definitely have some kind of technique as his NP or rankless skill.
>>3807642>>3807669As of now he heavily remind me of Li Shuwen as he was in Extra and Extella. I would expect something similar power wise.
>>3807669>>3807690>It's a Saber gets beaten up by wobbly punches episodeCan't wait.I hope Matsuda doesn't decide that we need to fight here to prove something though.He's getting ribboned if he starts shit.Damn it, Arondight would be much better to add to Heilig than Excalibur.
>>3807615Damn, Saber's face is so cartoonish in that shot. It always makes me chuckle.Also, Alberich's hair is a plastic gradient. That's fun.
>>3807893Saber losing there will never not be amusing.>she can dodge the Tsubame Gaeshi, a technique honed to perfection to such a degree it intrudes on the realm of true magic because of a single tiny opening>gets beaten up by High-School History and Ethics Teacher with super kung-fu.The real question is who the fuck Kuzuki was even trained to assassinate.
>>3807914There's some ridiculously strong guy from his sect in Mahoyoru too, isn't there? I guess they're just the best killers in the world.In fairness to Kojirou, though, he wasn't being reinforced by Medea's magic. If she'd taken him around with her and buffed him, rather than Kuzuki, he probably would've sliced up every other Servant in jig time.
>>3807923>I guess they're just the best killers in the world.Wouldn't that be the Nanayas?They should probably still be around.Good ol' anemic Shiki moving faster than the eye can see and cutting 17 times in a second, somehow.But poor Kojirou can't catch a break.I don't think he ever manages to kill anyone, even in bad ends.
>>3807923Koji still had fuckoff A+ agility tho, no? Just shit strength, weak sword, and general plot armor killed him.
>>3807984Imagine Kojirou with a decent NP sword.He'd be unstoppable.
>>3808014>True Name: Achilles>Blocks your path
>>3808047>gets bullied by Medea and stabbed by Rule Breaker
>>3807309Nope. Alberich's as surprised as you are; he's been missing and unknown, then suddenly appeared in front of you.
You know, just in case it does become reality, let me just post something pre-emptively real quick. You idiot, Matsuda! Who do you think you're shooting at?!
>>3807914Damn, Illya is a real demoness huh?
>Kill Archer on top of Skyscraper >get whatever power-up>turn around>picrelatedWhat's the correct course of action here?I doubt "Kenotis" is the answer either, she's likely aware of it's danger.Anyway, will we give our allies the good old "don't interfere" and fight her one on one?
>>3808498Obviously we taunt-cancel Kenotis into sword-portal, which will absorb the blast, then dash, call the assist, and then use the Super.
>>3808567>call the assistSorry but those are disabled for this match.Muh Pride Clause is in effect
>>3808576What? But then there aren't enough frames to go into an attack after the dash, she would have already recovered! We have to raw Super her from a distance or she'll punish us, but if she blocks or dodges, it's over!
>>3808589>not knowing how to pull off the long range Shadow Ribbon Grab infiniteThis is why you will never be a Pro.
>>3808597>inb4 Matsuda goes "Yo, you wanna learn how to do a fucking infinite?!"
>>3808597Shadow holds are a low-tier strat with no place in Grail War level play. Alberich's grapples are high-key broken, you just need to get to them.
>>3808614>Shadow holds are a low-tier stratTruly spoken like somebody who mains Outer Berserker. You gonna complain about how Lancer of Akeldama has too many Supers next?
>>3808607What if Matsuda actually has training related abilities based on his time in Akeldama?
>>3808668Oh shit, that could be the reason behind his asking.
Pride + Write In>>3807285Compassion>>3807480>>3807481Humility(?)>>3807408Pride/Compassion(?)>>3807429>>3807480>>3807563>>3807659Pride>>3807465I think?If Matsuda is asking us this because he got a skill relating to it, we might want to reconsider our answer,Remember, while Ogawara did basically nothing, the one thing they did do (research Servants) is likely the thing that turned into Kourakuhime's ability to scry.I guess she got Akeldama by being the most compatible class for it, too.
>>3807429I'll support this, training skills or not gotta show some compassion with pride to our brother
So, depending on how this goes (hopefully we can get Matsuda on side), we might be about to see the trainwreck 'first' interaction between Kourakuhime and Matsuda.So that's gonna be a fun time.I wonder how the dynamic between the three siblings is going to play out.
You weigh up Matsuda's question in your mind, carefully considering the answer. Would you have survived if Matsuda had not been there to teach you how to fight? You can't deny that the fighting techniques he taught you saved your life, that's true enough, but those circumstances were largely of your own design. If you hadn't known how to fight, you wouldn't have put yourself into positions in which you needed to. On the whole, you probably would have won the War regardless of Matsuda's presence. "I can't deny that your fighting techniques served me well, Matsuda," you say, "but I would have found a way to emerge as the victor of that War regardless. I had Caster, after all, and the wit to make good use of her. Still, to win without facing the enemy directly would have been a coward's victory, unbefitting of me. Your techniques allowed me to grasp the only satisfactory victory.""So that's tha way it is." Matsuda looks downcast once more at your answer. "I was hopin' my debt to ya was squared, but if you don't see me as havin' saved your life, that's a shame." He heaves a sigh. "Guess I'll have ta call it a-"Suddenly Matsuda breaks off, and his eyes light up in excitement. There's a gleam of light, a flicker of movement, and the gruesome sound of a blade smacking home in flesh and blood from behind you. In one swift motion, Matsuda materialized and thrust a spear, just over your left shoulder. The moonlight glimmers on steel a hair's breadth from your cheek. Then Matsuda whips the weapon back to him with the same fluid swiftness, there's another gory sound behind you, and a corpse slumps to the ground. It's a young man in a priest's cassock, with long knives clenched in his hands. Where one eye used to be is a cleanly sliced hole, from which blood oozes out to form a pool at your feet.Matsuda is all smiles again as he swishes his spear through the air, flicking the blood from its shining surface. It has an unusual shape, with a crescent-shaped blade on either side just below the spearhead, a heavy weight wrapped in tiger skin between them, and a large orange tassel at the base of the blades. In all, the polearm is over 7 and a half feet long."There now," Matsuda says happily. "I'd say we're square. You saved my life, now I've saved yours. You didn't even see tha guy creepin' up on ya, did ya?">[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] If there was a human trying to kill a Servant like yourself, he can't have come alone. Leave Matsuda be for a moment while you look for the rest. (Pride)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
Super short update due to my Tuesday schedule, but it's something.
>>3808812>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)Ok, what is going on here
>>3808812I KNEW Matsuda would be a Lancer! However>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
>>3808812>[ ] If there was a human trying to kill a Servant like yourself, he can't have come alone. Leave Matsuda be for a moment while you look for the rest. (Pride)Let's clear the area before we start asking questions. I'm surprised this isn't the self preservation option to be honest.
>>3808812>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)I guess that's the end of Fate/Overgrowth.
>>3808819Assassins use spears as well mind you.
>>3808822You're pridefully assuming nobody would take you lightly enough to attack alone.
>>3808812>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)...Oh no.Please don't tell me that Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas and has been targeting the Church because of the Cid persona.Also Alberich man wtf, how did you let a fucking human sneak up on you?
>>3808812>It has an unusual shape, with a crescent-shaped blade on either side just below the spearhead, a heavy weight wrapped in tiger skin between them, and a large orange tassel at the base of the blades. In all, the polearm is over 7 and a half feet long.Double Houtengeki?
>>3808830Hmm. But by choosing the other option we are also assuming that we won't be jumped the moment we let our guard down. Pride or no Pride it's not a good idea to assume you're safe just because you killed the first guy.
>>3808838The proper name (which you don't know in character) is a fangtian ji, but yes, I modeled it on Houtengeki.
Oh man, is our armour even materialised?Our sword isn't out either.It's not impossible that Matsuda doesn't know we were transformed into a Servant. Though that would require him to not realize or have mistaken our presence as a Servant for another's.Well, if he feels the presence of two Servants and can't pinpoint them, then it's an easy mistake to make.
>>3808849>Oh man, is our armour even materialised?No.>Our sword isn't out either.Correct.
>>3808812>[ ] Feeling slightly dejected for not having detected the wannabe-assassin, you decide to ask Matsuda for a sparring session, for old times' sake. (Pride)
>>3808852Oh boy. So he might be unaware as to the truth?Well, he strikes me as neither the sort to retreat into himself nor to meditate deeply for no apparent reason.>>3808855What the FUCK are you doing.We've got shit to do, we're possibly under attack and we need to go kill Archer.We can spar with him tomorrow.
>>3808834>Please don't tell me that Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas and has been targeting the Church because of the Cid persona.I don't think he likes Judas enough to attack the church just because of that. More likely Antaglio noticed we exist.>Also Alberich man wtf, how did you let a fucking human sneak up on you?He's a bit shocked and the human is an Executor, cut him some slack.
>>3808812>Matsuda is more likely than not a LancerLovely. >Matsuda "repaid" his debt by killing off some random mook.>We didn't even see the fucker coming and Matsuda dispatched him faster than we could properly see.Tsk, Guess it was too much to ask that he'd come quietly.Anyway, let's not get sidetracked.>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)I refuse to waste time hunting down clergy when we still have Archer to deal with.Let's just ask Matsuda what he knows, see if he's willing to join us once again, then get on with the mission.It is great to see old boy back and in top form, though. Exciting stuff.
>>3808863If Matsuda hasn't had the talk with Judas all he knows is>Cid Ajisartous set up grail war>Cid is a priest>Cid put a knife to my throat>oh cool, I've got superpowers now>there sure are a lot of fucking priests with knives running around this grail war
>>3808877As some evidence backing this up a little, he's got an identical speech pattern, he responded to Matsuda and didn't correct us and he still calls us Kaichou, not really appropriate to call a Servant. While he can feel the presence of two Servants, Yumigawa Rushorou should have two Servants, so it's nothing out of the ordinary. Additionally, we appear almost identical to Rushorou in the Akeldama, wearing a suit and not having materialised any armaments. It's unlikely he's spoken to Judas due to his more carefree nature and ability to roll with the punches, so to speak. He might not even realise we're a Servant.
You know I just had a thought for something. If Hime's NP really is like a recreation of Akeldama, if Shirou were to be put in as one of the participants and manages to come out would he end up being in the form of EMIYA?
>>3808894If a copy of Shirou were to be made?That's uhWell that's kinda fucky because of the whole Soul thing which could mess with his origin.
>>3808894>>3808902But that's only for actual Akeldama.The derived version is likely some form of super efficient mass sacrifice ritual that turns everyone caught inside (and their souls too, probably) into energy
>>3808894If it was Fate or UBW Shirou? More like successful EMIYA.If it was HF Shirou, expect Ultimate Chefmaster Homemaker EMIYA 9000 Deluxe Edition (now with free Reality Marble).
>>3808905Hopefully it's able to target specific individuals, transfer the energy and the like for giving a proper boost
>>3808812>>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)With the additions of calling him Brother and manifesting our armor, if possible
>>3808812>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)How could a human possibly be that sneaky?
>>3808812>[ ] Ask Matsuda what he knows. If the Church is after you, you need as much information as possible. (Self-Preservation)
>>3808988>manifest armour and call him brotherMight be a good idea.If he's still in the dark, we should probably tell him as soon as possible.Sorry Matsuda, but the strongest of the Siblings is Alberich. (Or should be, anyway, a sword that cuts anything should hard counter a spear)He could be about to be shocked just like we are shocked like twice every day.Why do I get the feeling he's going to argue with Kourakuhime?I like how all three siblings are physically beautiful but in different ways.>Alberich is incredibly handsome, quite tall and has a body sculpted like a marble statue>Matsuda is androgynously beautiful and is thinner than Alberich, yet is around his height >Kourakuhime is a very short beautiful girl who seems immensely fragileI wonder if Matsuda is pissed about his androgynous beauty.inb4 also a female
>>3809274>Sorry Matsuda, but the strongest of the Siblings is Alberich.t. alberich>He could be about to be shocked just like we are shocked like twice every day.He's probably connected the dots by now.• I got superpowers• Kaichou is standing in front of me and he feels really strong• (Anything he may have learnt from Judas, who could've made sure he learnt without having to look inside himself)
>>3809304>• (Anything he may have learnt from Judas, who could've made sure he learnt without having to look inside himself)You mean like he did for us?Oh wait he didn't.>• Kaichou is standing in front of me and he feels really strongWe aren't using any energy or trying to exude a fuck ton of mana so he might have us and Kourakuhime confused for our Akeldama Servants, we are wearing a suit after all and don't exactly look like a Servant right now.>• I got superpowersSo did Yumigawa Rushorou when he summoned his Servant.It's far more likely he isn't aware of his status as an artificial soul created to be a hero and instead thinks he got something like we did from the Silver Grail.
>>3809314Lets think for a second.Ogawara was a recluse and likely something of a coward, upon being transformed into a female Oni and being given a massive understanding of magic from nowhere, they were so shaken they retreated into themselves.Alberich meanwhile grew two inches, got slightly more buff and knew how to fight with a sword, he also isn't the sort to retreat into himself from despair, as Kourakuhime did and his situation wasn't as extreme as hers.Matsuda, assuming he's a Lancer, suddenly knew how to wield a spear perfectly, his body changed quite dramatically but not to the extent Kourakuhime did (Or Rushorou if he went from his original body to Alberich, actually, instead of having an intermediary stage) and his personality isn't exactly the sort that would retreat in despair at now being a superhero.It's fairly unlikely Matsuda knows any more than Rushorou did before the Command Spell to reveal his identity.
>>3809314>>3809382A counterargument:Judas knows how his heroes will react, since he determined it in advance by selecting the memories and personalities they would form (except maybe Alberich's) and took different measures to prepare them accordingly for their roles.Alberich, who became a natural leader and took initiative throughout the Inner War, was given a hypnotic trigger to meet the fragment of Judas inside him since he would only think to look inside once he felt that all his immediate threats were deal with and his position was secure; Ogawara's natural response to fear and confusion would be to retreat inwardly, and so Kourakuhime was given a hypnotic trigger as well since she was likely to close up very quickly.Matsuda, however, was always outward-looking and stable, and his natural response to sudden adversity would be to punch back rather than to retreat or analyze, and so direct intervention might have been needed to ensure that he would learn the truth about his nature and his new role.Ultimately, however, there's not much to base either position off of. The only way to be certain either way is to ask him directly and find out how much he knows. don't give me (You)s, I don't want to continue this argument
>3809411>don't give me (You)sYour wish is my commandBoth Alberich and Kourakuhime had to look inward to find Judas and Alberich himself has the largest fragment of Judas' soul.Without the power of a Command Spell, even the largest fragment of Judas couldn't directly interact with us at all. Assuming that Judas could just directly tell Matsuda is rather silly, when the story so far doesn't imply that something like that is possible and even states something like that shouldn't be possible directly. It doesn't make sense to give Alberich an inward trigger either as he likely had the smallest reaction to his new form and wasn't likely to meditate on it due to his experiences in Akeldama already (he never really pondered about his new body there either)He also still goes by Matsuda, unless he changed his name and doesn't feel like saying and he still calls us Kaichou (President).
>>3809428Anyway, there's no reason for Alberich to approach a Servant as he did (no armour and no sword, who are we? Gilgamesh?) except for some kind of narrative pay-off.Otherwise he would've been properly equipped to fight against an enemy Servant.I mean, it's either that or our boy has picked up the idiot ball for no reason.I prefer the scenario where Alberich hasn't become flounderingly incompetent for no reason, at least.
>>3809467>>Anyway, there's no reason for Alberich to approach a Servant as he did (no armour and no sword, who are we? Gilgamesh?) except for some kind of narrative pay-off.Apparently he did that because Matsuda didn't do anything at all.>If he makes a move to attack, you'll have your blade materialized before he can close the distance. You slowly approach the unknown Servant, keeping your guard up. As you do so, though, you can't help but gradually relax. This Servant doesn't even seem to be aware of your presence. Even as you draw closer, and he should be able to clearly feel your presence, he remains motionless and goes on staring at the sky.
>>3809503He relaxes for no reason and almost got shivved by Black Keys for his trouble.Not like black keys are likely to kill us, but not actually manifesting our armour or sword is kinda odd regardless, even if your enemy seems unaware, because it might be a fucking trap.Alberich keeps his armour on even when travelling across rooftops, if I recall correctly.
>>3809517In your experience, intensity of magical presence directly correlates to combat potential. Matsuda has a very weak presence, which was a contributing point on why you dropped your guard.
>>3809673Yeah but we also saw Odin do his whole dropping the act thing and increase his magical presence immensely. It just seems a bit short sighted of Alberich to act so careless against a Servant.
Will Matsuda have a Lancer's Luck?
>>3809713don't jinx it
>>3809718He was jinxed the moment he pulled out a spear.
>>3809713More important question: Will Odin have a Lancer's Luck?
>>3809689Odin went from 0 to 1000000. Matsuda, however, will go from 10 to 100.Except for the singular case of Odin, every combatant Alberich ever met (outside Akeldama) has reinforced this idea.>Shirou felt powerful for a human, turned out to be comparable (if inferior) to Alberich>Brigliadoro did nothing except make Roland much faster, and was noted to add very little to his presence>Kosmos Ouroboros has a greater presence than the Grail in that noncanon F/GO Sweets wrote it's a joke aaaargh>Odin was the fucking strong when he showed himself>>3809713I sure hope not.>>3809752Definitely. All the Aesir are bound by fate.
>>3809766>Kosmos OuroborosI still want it. EX ranked "Fuck Everyone" Noble Phantasm. The greatest sore loser attack.Anyway we also fought True Saber, and Mana Burst is sort of a skill that enables a Servant to become temporarily much stronger. Though Saber was already way more powerful than we were.
>>3809799Too bad interacting with Tiamat would probably BLACK --if not outright degenerate-- us.
>>3809809Conceptual Biology is a powerful skill if you level it up enough. You can't apply a cellular geas if there are no plysical cells to apply it to.
>>3809809Out of like any servant, Alberich has the best chance of not getting corrupted.He's entirely non-human and was born from the stuff the Sea of Life is made from (imaginary numbers)Then there's the resistance conceptual biology (especially at EX) would grant him.He'd be able to resist the effects if not outright be immune to them. Tiamat only hates humans, also.
>>3809809I am curious about what Alberich Alter would result in
>>3809831He's already an evil psychopath who enjoys killing people. Probably not that much difference. Really.That is if he can be altered at all, considering that eventual Gil level pride + eventual Bravery A+ and Conceptual Biology EX should make him untouchable to corruption of any kind
Here, have this Magical Girl Circe.Anyway I can't wait to have our rematch with Seibah.Good luck touching Ayaka now, Harris.Don't worry, you'll be kept alive until Saber is dealt with.
>>3809842Who knows? Maybe Alberich Alter takes the Arjuna Alter route and ends up eating the Gods to take their power for his own?
>>3810235Then that's not really altering in the traditional "Blackening" sense, brought about by Grail Mud or Tiamat Mud. Which is what I'm talking about here.Like, you don't get Cu Alter or Jeanne Alter just by throwing grail mud at their unaltered versions. Because those two alters are actually edgy fanfic characters in universe.
>>3810309I'm namely going for the idea of turning Alberich Alter'd in general no matter the means. Edgy fanfic Alberich sounds utterly terrifying honestly
>>3810331>*portal caps behind u*>"Pssh, nuthin personnel, kid."
>>3810334Wait, so Alberich Alter (Assassin) is an edgy, sword-wielding version of The Spot (the Spider-Man villain)?
>>3810331>Edgy fanfic AlberichNow, the terror would be based entirely on who actually gets a grail to wish for fanfic Alberich.>Adelheid gets it>Alberich Alter is compelled to wear German WW2 Officer uniforms
>>3810112You never know, Harris might have some surprises in store for you.
>>3810348Why did you post a blank image?
>>3810342I guess Adelheid's Alberich Alter might also have a gun.Circe's would be far more greek themed aesthetically and probably be a Lancer.Not quite sure for the others.
I wonder if any of the Emiyas relate Alberich to Shinji at all. Probably Rin if any, as Shirou is a bot and Sakura black-holes all memories of le rapist. I forget- have we gone full /pride/ in front of them yet?
>>3810404>relate Alberich to Shinji Uh.Why would they? He doesn't really act anything like Shinji.From their last interaction, Alberich denied knowing anything about Mainyu and revealed that he needs the grail to live and did try to talk the situation down with words.Muh Pride hasn't really been a thing around the Emiyas either.Also Shinji died 15 years ago. They might've noticed a similarity in his voice if Alberich didn't have a new VA, though. Also, it wasn't Alberich who started that fight.Fucking Rider tried to petrify him.
Startled at the sight of the corpse, you cast your eyes about the nighttime surroundings, looking for any other sign of the enemy. All around you, the suburban street is silent and empty. The houses are dark, their inhabitants asleep, and the only living souls to be found are you and Matsuda. It seems, then, that you have enough time to find out what Matsuda knows about the mysterious attacker: most likely an agent of the Church, by his uniform, although appearances can be deceiving. The example of "Cid Ajisartous" is worth remembering."Who was that, Matsuda? Are you being targeted by the Holy Church?" Matsuda shakes his head. "I wouldn't drop my guard that easy, if I was you," he says. "Those guys're wearin' somethin' that hides their presence. It's in tha crucifix, I think. Anyway, it's you they're after."Before you can demand more information, an aged voice rings out in the darkness. "Lancer, in God's name what are you playing at?" The sound has no origin that you can pinpoint, seeming to come from no fixed direction. As Matsuda's pointed out, the presence of no-one but yourselves can be felt. At the sound of that voice, a chill runs down your spine. Things are suddenly clear. In a flash, you materialize your armor and Heiligöffnungschwert, leaping several steps backwards. At the same moment, Matsuda's blade swings around in a gleaming arc to cleave the air where your neck had been.Status Updated"Sorry 'bout that, y'old bastard," Matsuda calls into the night. "Just had ta clear up some personal business." Then, fixing his attention on you again, he says, "So you wound up turnin' inta a Servant too, huh? Ya got a real knight in shinin' armor look goin' on, it suits ya." He smirks at you, leveling the point of his spear at your throat. "Guess I was movin' too slow, then? Which one isn't with ya?""Matsuda," you say icily, struggling to hold down your fury at this treachery. "I want an explanation from you this instant. What the hell are you doing attacking me?"Matsuda looks you over his blade, considering. Eventually he comes to a decision, and turns the point skyward, resting his weapon casually against his shoulder. "Ya know," he begins, in a contemplative tone, "a real badass doesn't need much of a reason ta fight. Somebody looks at ya wrong, or bumps ya on tha street, or maybe ya just hear they're strong and want ta see if ya measure up; so ya hunt 'em down and find out whose fist is tougher. That's tha kinda life I live, ya know?""That isn't your reason, Matsuda, and we both know it," you reply coldly. You're not going to let him paper over this situation with macho delinquent nonsense. "Who was the man who called you Lancer? How do you know what sort of mystic code the man you killed was carrying?"
"Alright, alright." Matsuda heaves a sigh. "It woulda been a lot simpler ta just call this a duel, ya know. But, fine, ya want tha whole story; I'll give it to ya. Shouldn't surprise ya much, if you're a Servant too." He pauses for a moment, ordering his thoughts, then goes on, "I went ta bed, the last night o' that Grail War o' yours, and woke up on the street. My whole outfit'd changed, and I had this spear. A fangtian ji, it's called; great weapon, too, real adaptable. But anyway, I was wanderin' around, tryin' ta figure out what'd happened, and eventually I just sorta ran down. I was more tired than I'd ever been, couldn't even stand. When I started losin' the feelin' in my arms and legs, I figured that was th'end for me. You probably know what was happenin' though, right?""You had no source of magical energy," you say with a nod. "You must have exhausted yours and begun to fade away.""Yeah. Thing is, though, I didn't go. I woke up in a church." Matsuda shakes his head mournfully. "Funny thing about goin' from a human ta this kinda magical creature. We've got so much more power now, but we can't use it without somebody keepin' us alive. Well, ta cut a long story short, th' priest who found me was tha overseer of the real Grail War, th'one that's goin' on here in Tokyo. He rigged up a way for me ta stay alive, so long as I followed his orders, and gave me a crash course in th' whole Grail War business." Matsuda lets out a dry chuckle. "Learned more about that in tha last week than I ever wanted to, that's for sure.""So now you're representing the overseer's interests," you say, your tone still cold. Matsuda may have faced his share of hardships, but that doesn't excuse his assault on your person, or the light way he cast aside the debt of life that he swore to you. "Why has he sent you against me, then?""Church wants ta get rid of all tha 'stray Servants,' so tha War can go on with only tha original seven. Seein' as me and you're Servants, I figure that means tha strays're everyone who survived Cid's War, plus your two girls." Matsuda gives a shrug, continuing, "Sent me here ta wait for two Servants travellin' together. I figured that'd be you with your two, but I guess you're one of tha Servants. So where's th'girl, and which one is it?""Damn it, Matsuda!" Your anger flares up again at Matsuda's combination of ignorance and resolute focus on his objective, to kill you. "Don't you realize that you're dooming yourself if you work with Antaglio? You're one of the additional Servants as well! What do you think he'll do if you succeed, send you out into the world to live on blood? Keep the Greater Grail functioning forever to sustain you?"
"I know I'll die too," Matsuda says, "but that doesn't matter now. I'm already magically bound ta follow his orders. There's nothin' else I can do." Then suddenly, as if his morose visage and hopeless words had never been there, Matsuda's face is covered in a bloodthirsty grin. "So let's at least have a good fight before we go, huh? No more sparrin' now, Kaichou, and no more o' you holdin' your strength back for me! We're on an even playin' field now! Come and kill me, ya prissy bastard!">[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on. You have faith in your abilities, and it would give Matsuda the end he deserves. (Pride/Compassion)>[ ] Take a defensive stance. Let Matsuda make the first move, and counter his attack. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)>[ ] Bind Matsuda from a distance with tendrils of Nothingness, then execute him. There's no reason why you should oblige a treacherous dog with a proper duel. (Pride/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. With the two of you working together, you can easily crush Matsuda by overwhelming force. (Duty/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3811006>Matsuda is a Church puppetGOD DAMNIT
>>3811021Fun fact: my original plan was for him to have died of magical energy deficiency offscreen, but there was so much hype about meeting him again that I changed it.
>>3811006>[ ] Bind Matsuda from a distance with tendrils of Nothingness, then execute him. There's no reason why you should oblige a treacherous dog with a proper duel. (Pride/Self-Preservation)
Shit.Before we vote, let's talk about this first.Matsuda probably doesn't want to fight us but he's bound to follow orders because his MR is too low.If we want to keep him alive, our options are:>Hope that Tsubaki can break the spell controlling him (uncertain but plausible)>Immobilize him and kill the guy in the darkness (this one she can do, no problem)And we would also have to see if she can transfer some mana to him.
>>3811024>those statsYeah, I can see that. He really drew the shortest straw, didn't he.
>>3811042He seems to be Adelheid inefficient.
Just realized I stupidly saved Lancer's stat sheet with a mistake in Magic Resistance. You might want to refresh now.
>>3811045His stats aren't great, but it's not as if he's a total pushover either. He can still fight.
>>3811042>Strength: D>Endurance: E>Agility: A>Magical Energy: E>Luck: EDamn, those are some martial artist stats.>Magic Resistance: EWe've already seen that he couldn't resist a human's thaumaturgy, so magecraft should be effective against him.That means we have options.We could bind him with Nothingness and then call Tsubaki to immobilize him even more with that curse of weakness, then see if she can break the control.
>>3811006>[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on. You have faith in your abilities, and it would give Matsuda the end he deserves. (Pride/Compassion)Bless up to the homie for this easy clap.Time to eat our brother and get this Agility boost right quick.
>>3811006>[ ] Do something else: Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. Then nind Matsuda from a distance with tendrils of Nothingness and execute the old man for having the gal to try and have your own brother. (Pride/Compassion)>"No Matsuda, we won't face eachother yet. There's a far greater foe than me that we WILL face together."
>>3811006>[ ] Do something else: Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. Then bind Matsuda from a distance with tendrils of Nothingness and execute the old man for having the gal to use your own brother against you. (Pride/Compassion)
Any move to kill the overseer would doom Matsuda. He needs him in order to live.
>>3811069Huh, that IS Antaglio in the darkness.I guess we should settle for binding him as well.
>>3811006>[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on. You have faith in your abilities, and it would give Matsuda the end he deserves. (Pride/Compassion)Honor our brother with a proper death. Antaglio gets his next. Telepatically order Ayaka and Kōrakuhime out of the car for that sick SACRIFICE
>>3811057>>3811083>killing our brother for a power boost"No"
>>3811086He attacked us. His life is already forfeit.
>>3811057>Bless up to the homie for this easy clap.???
>>3811087>He attacked usUnder duress, like Adelheid.
>>3811091Actually, not like Adelheid. She attacked us of her own volition, even if she was reluctant.
I'm sure Tsubaki can brainwash Antaglio, right?
>>3811106I hope so, but only she can say that.In any case, please vote so Matsuda doesn't get killed.
>>3811109The current write-in would end up killing him anyway, if Sweets follows through with the latter half.
I wonder how Matsuda feels about older women who can wrestle?Also yes I am playing eugenics at this stage, can never start too early.
>>3811112No, I mean make a better write-in so I can switch to that (or I'll make a new write-in and you can vote for that). If I switch now, it'll be counted differently and "kill Matsuda" will be in the lead.
>>3811113>how Matsuda feels about older women who can wrestleMaybe the "can wrestle" bit will turn him on enough. Who can say?>playing eugenicsHe needs to be incarnated for that, or Circe will have to find a way for a spiritual entity to impregnate an incarnated woman.
>>3811006>[ ] Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her take Tsubaki with her to incapacitate Antaglio while you work to restrain Matsuda with tendrils of Nothingness.Leaving Ayaka alone would probably be a death wish.
>>3811006Switching from >>3811067 to>[ ] Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her take Tsubaki with her to incapacitate Antaglio while you work to restrain Matsuda with tendrils of Nothingness.
>>3811124This is just a draft to get it on the ballot. I could probably fine tune it in the morning.
>>3811115Hey man, all I am saying is that time is ticking for the both of them. If they wait too long something is sure going to expire.
>>3811124Supporting this.Ahem.MATSUDA YOU IDIOTWHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE SHOOTING AT!?Called itI also called his lack of awareness.
>>3811141That's why we need to legalize incarnation, anon.>Called itkisama
>>3811006>We're on an even playin' field now! Come and kill me, ya prissy bastard!"Haha, no Matsuda.We are not.We need to get in contact with the Edelfelt again. Maybe see about transferring the command spells from an unconscious Master to Truvi.Give her a Lancer back.But, there's one thing for certain.Not a single member of the church shall be left alive.
You know what, would we technically be apart of Judas's Noble Phantasm? If so then we are technically Caster. So there are no transgressions in this war. Mostly because we are Caster, Matsuda here is Caster, and Tsubaki is Caster (I mean she is but you get where I am going with this).Suck it priest. Unless you are going to say NPs are banned.
>>3811141Why haven't you voted?The incapacitation plan is our best bet here, that way we can explain things to him.We've got to kill Antaglio to prevent an order for him to kill himself or teleport, then we've got to get him a mana source quickly.Tell Tsubaki not to mess around with Antaglio either, just immolate him with the quickest spell she has.How fucking dare a priest try to turn our own brother against us.
>>3811006I go with >[ ] Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. With the two of you working together, you can easily crush Matsuda by overwhelming force. (Duty/Self-Preservation)
>>3811180Ah sorry I am going with >>3811124I read it wrong.
>>3811178>You know what, would we technically be apart of Judas's Noble Phantasm?No, anon. A better justification would be having the fragment of Judas in us.But that would necessitate revealing that Caster was Judas, to an Executor.
>>3811185"HEY FUCK YOU PRIEST MAN MY DAD WAS JUDAS."Lmao.
>>3811187Soon all of Tokyo could hear a "REEEEE" that reached the heavens.
>>3811179>We've got to kill Antaglio to prevent an order for him to kill himself or teleport, then we've got to get him a mana source quickly.>Tell Tsubaki not to mess around with Antaglio either, just immolate him with the quickest spell she has.I think she can knock out Antaglio. That spell worked well on Ayaka, after all.>How fucking dare a priest try to turn our own brother against us.Jehovah is punishing us for harboring Judas. We need to kill and eat him once we conquer the world
>>3811189Oh yeah, knocking him out might work.I guess we'll get to see if Ayaka's ritual can be used with command spells.Truvi?You want in?Matsuda doesn't even know we're his brother.
I think we should reprioritize targets tonight.Archer can wait.Saving Matsuda and Christian Genocide are more important. To set our own younger brother against us, this action is truly unforgivable.
>>3811198Oh alsoAkeldama just got some new targets.God damn it, Matsuda.Ah well, I'm glad we took Tsubaki with us now.When things have calmed down a little, we can explain the truth to him, if he still lives.Fucking argh. >>3811024Well, I suppose things could always be worse.
>>3811191>I guess we'll get to see if Ayaka's ritual can be used with command spells.Why would that work? Command Spells are handed out by the Grail, not a part of Antaglio's existence.Tsubaki should be able to handle that as well, though, seeing as even normal Magi can take them with consent.
>>3811191You know, Matsuda didn't say Antaglio had created a command spell for him.
>>3811208Ohhhh noooo, Antaglio has Assassin doesn't he.
>>3811205I guess.>>3811208Shouldn't he have been granted them by the grail as organiser?That's a pain if not.Then again, if he's not his Master and has gone another route to keep him sustained, it simplifies things too.LumenzaWhere are youuu.
>>3811208Matsuda was in a coma due to energy-deprivation.
>>3811212>Church confident taking on two servants with only Matsuda, who doesn't seem great.DAMN IT. THEY PROBABLY DO.
>>3811212That would be one explanation for Odin not finding him.At the same time, though, overseers aren't allowed to have Servants because it defeats the point of having a neutral administrator, and they aren't interested in the Grail anyway. It would take some very abnormal circumstances for that to happen.
>>3811217Right but we are eradicating the church when we get the chance, right?Damn, this is some high stress stuff.Alberich needs to fucking chillDominance is about to be asserted.Our younger brother will do well to realise who the strongest sibling is.
>>3811217Maybe Antaglio is an asshole and actually wants the Grail. Maybe he is Kirei 2.0
>>3811219>Right but we are eradicating the church when we get the chance, right?Naturally. No gods before Alberich.
>>3811220Well, he's going to die anyway. His motivations became irrelevant to us the moment he lifted a finger against us.Damn it Matsuda.Why must you make things difficult?Now we need to sustain 2 masterless servants unless we can grab one of the servantless Masters or set something up with Truvi or Luvia.If we can even get you out of this mess alive.
>>3811240Guess who's about to be free very soon and happens to be holding a free Master as well.If we can pull this off we may be killing two birds with one stone.
>>3811245But why could Hag of Archer have wanted a spare master in the first place?
>>3811240I do think Truvi would most likely help us. Luvia is a huge maybe to unlikely. Who knows maybe she likes young slender pretty boys with spears.
>>3811247Well unless Circe is involved and is running some diabolical scheme and has brainwashed her. Then she would've needed an extra Master for either herself or Adelheid, who I really hope hasn't been off-screened.Were we wearing our helmet when we were seen by Archer and his Master?Archer could've likely have intervened in our fight with Rider at any time, but didn't.
>>3811252>Were we wearing our helmet when we were seen by Archer and his Master?No, we took it off only after they left.
>>3811247...I suspect she might be planning to kill Harris and force Artoria to form a new contract with Haruo.
>>3811260A possibility, but were that their intention, targeting Ayaka would've made far more sense. It was unlikely the pair had encountered Saber when they took in Haruo.And also >"I'll be able to put Saber down without a doubt."The words of probably Odysseus don't imply anything of the sort. Unless they have ultimate poker faces and the ability to detect Kourakuhime's scrying.
I hope this isn't a situation with no good outcome.Being forced to kill off (the admittedly rather weak, stat-wise) Lancer will be a real shame.Unfortunately, even if we do recruit him, we can't use him against Emiya.At least Matsuda isn't dead yet, but he's playing a dangerous game, fighting a Saber like us. We were almost certainly stronger than he was before our upgrades.Having a proper sparring partner will be beneficial to both of us though, should this go well.
If Tsubaki does show up we can probably play the "Brother" card.Maybe have Tsubaki start the waterworks for extra sympathy points
>>3811006>[ ] Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. With the two of you working together, you can easily crush Matsuda by overwhelming force. (Duty/Self-Preservation)
>>3811297What the fuck are you doing?Go for the write-in, we don't actually want him dead.
>>3811286>I hope this isn't a situation with no good outcome.If there are no good outcomes you must carve one for yourself from the stony cliffs of destiny. The write-in option is your chisel and your brain is the brain.>>3811296To what end?>>3811297NOOOOOOOOOO CHANGE IT NOW AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
>>3811304>To what end? Would Matsuda really kill his only family? Would he let his adorable cute little oni sister cry? >>3811297Listen you need to change it. Don't let our brother die by our hands. He is just in a sticky situation.
>>3811296>>3811304We need to inform him about the truth of our existence. He's woefully ignorant of who and what he really is.As our sibling, he can't be allowed to go out in such a pathetic manner. Tsubaki can lend credence to our story.Sustaining him is going to be a pain.
>>3811306That is why we have Truvi and maybe (Hopefully) Luvia.
>>3811305What Matsuda wants is irrelevant, he's under the control of some form of magic.His resistance to magic is complete trash. God, Matsuda, we really need to do some training with you, not for our sake anymore either.But it might allow for a two birds with one stone situation.Being able to train those minuses away would be nice.
Man, Ogawara (Kourakuhime) is here being irrelevant to the matter at hand Matsuda is here, with his life in the hands of the asshole overseerMatsuda wields a spear, like Admin Assassin did.Rushorou is here (hopefully) about to save Matsuda's ass again. I guess history really does repeat itself.
>>3811305>Would Matsuda really kill his only family?Yes, he's being forced to do it.>>3811310>Being able to train those minuses away would be nice.It would be pretty great.
>>3811298The write-in implies sending Tsubaki and Ayaka to go kill themselves against a Church Executor. No, thank you.
>>3811327I will admit this is a key flaw in the write-in, where the most we could do is tell Tsubaki to not fuck around if she wants to prove herself to us.
>>3811327Do you really think that Tsubaki can't blindside a human?Her Magic worked on us for God's sake.Casters are generally super effective against humans.Only reason they don't stomp wars is the Magic Resistance of the Knight Classes.
>>3811327How will a single Executor kill Tsubaki?Especially if we tell her not to fuck around and why she's not to fuck around?
>>3811089I'm just saying it's gonna be a pretty simple fight if we don't do anything stupid. Like, I don't know, reveal our entire hand in some type of galaxy brained play to keep him alive.>>3811058>>3811067>>3811124>>3811129>>3811180>>3811297It's one thing to try to subdue him on our own, it's something else to not only reveal our hidden Ace, Tsubaki but take her away from Ayaka who will be completely defenseless against any additional attacks from church goons. Or better yet, send them BOTH off into what has been clearly a trap from the very start.Matsuda needs to be dealt with.Tsubaki needs to be kept hidden.Ayaka needs to be kept safe.If your plan doesn't ensure these three things then you are putting us in a position to get fucked over.
>>3811334We aren't leaving Ayaka on her own though, we're instructing her to go with Tsubaki.We're revealing our ace to a bunch of people who we will soon slaughter.That's kind of the same premise as a Noble Phantasm and we use Heilig willy nillyMatsuda can be dealt with easily with shadow tendrils anyway.
>>3811334>it's something else to not only reveal our hidden Ace, Tsubaki but take her away from Ayaka who will be completely defenseless against any additional attacks from church goons.They know about her already. Matsuda was told to deal with all the stray Servants.>Or better yet, send them BOTH off into what has been clearly a trap from the very start.What trap can the Church deploy to kill a Caster?The answer is "nothing". They have nothing that can stop a Caster.>Matsuda needs to be dealt with.This plan deals with him.>Tsubaki needs to be kept hidden.There's no more hiding her.>Ayaka needs to be kept safe.There's no place safer for her than right next to Tsubaki.Why are you trying to force this when there are other ways out of it?
>>3811334Also>some type of galaxy brained play Who the fuck do you think Alberich is?Why would you condemn Matsuda for death despite him being unable to decide his own actions?When Matsuda could become a valuable ally?Who is also our brother and in Akeldama, basically our best friend?Are you a brainlet?
>>3811006>[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on. You have faith in your abilities, and it would give Matsuda the end he deserves. (Pride/Compassion)Leaving Ayaka alone is an absolute brainlet move. This duel is all Matsuda wants. Let him have it.
>>3811342>1 post by this IDyou absolute nigger.
>>3811335>>3811337There are two plans I'm calling out here. >Working with Kōrakuhime to take down Masuda>Fighting Masuda, and having Ayaka and Kōrakuhime go off to take out AntaglioBoth of these plans are dumb because they not only put Ayaka in danger by sending them into a clear and obvious trap, but reveal the existence of even MORE extra servants that based on Matsuda's speech, they don't know are around.You might think "Well some people already know about Kōrakuhime." But not THESE people, and keeping that info away from as many groups as possible gives us an upper hand. Matsuda doesn't know about Korakuhime, he thinks the other person in the car is either Circe or Adel, and that's probably what he told the church too. And even if we kill everyone involved with this plan, I'm sure the overseer of this war has other people to take his place and pick up where he left off if this plan were to go horribly wrong. You might think to yourself, "There is no way the church has powerful enough dudes to take on Kōrakuhime", but I highly doubt the first and only step to their plan was to send Matsuda after us. Maybe they have a magic ritual in place to trap us, maybe they just have more powerful dudes waiting in the back, who knows? What I think is safe to assume is that there is more to this than we are seeing and sending Ayaka and Kōrakuhime out in any way will be playing right into their hands.If you really don't want to kill our brother then fine I understand that, but this is absolutely not the way to do it.
>>3811345MaybeMaybe MaybeYou're using way too many maybes.Matsuda has probably been as uncooperative as possible.The church probably doesn't know everything he knows.Binding him with our magic should be our first priority instead of engaging in a fight, because letting the church divide us and do whatever they want IS EVEN DUMBER.
>>3811345>If you really don't want to kill our brother then fine I understand that, but this is absolutely not the way to do it.I supposed you have another way, then.
An honourable duel to the death is possibly the stupidest fucking thing we could do considering Ayaka and Tsubaki are in immediate danger from any scheme the church has.Allowing ourselves to be distracted by Matsuda is ridiculous. We need to command our allies, not have them act as sitting ducks.
>>3811006>>[ ] Do something else: Contact Ayaka telepathically and have her send Kōrakuhime to help you. Then bind Matsuda from a distance with tendrils of Nothingness and execute the old man for having the gal to use your own brother against you. (Pride/Compassion)
>>3811345There's a point where the need to use your assets outweighs the risks of revealing them, and this is it.You can't argue that they don't know about Tsubaki AND that they have a trap lying in wait.And you're making a lot of assumptions.>If you really don't want to kill our brother then fine I understand that, but this is absolutely not the way to do it.THEN TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND NIGGER, SAY SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE
>>3811354Honestly, Alberich is at his best when he doesn't allow his pride or anger to cloud his visionWhich is what killing Matsuda would basically fall into. We stand to gain more with him as our ally.Also, killing him makes the emphasis we occasionally put on our familial connection to Tsubaki look like total lies to her.Alberich is sort of like another powerful hero who sometimes does stupid things due to his ego.
Matsuda has insulted and attacked Alberich. His soul is that of a proud, lonely thug-warrior. He has been useless or enslaved for his entire life, both in his own estimation and in the estimation of his peers. Even now, as a servant, most of his enemies could destroy him without much effort. Why can't you all just let the man go? Why must you insist on prolonging his miserable existence?
>>3811369>>3811373Holy shit.Perfect timing.You're forgetting Matsuda can become stronger through training, just like Alberich and (haha not happening) Tsubaki.Also we're unaware of his skills and Noble Phantasm(s), too.
Another thing I should point out is that Tsubaki and Ayaka are sitting ducks in the car, which is both highly visible and unprotected except by whatever they can come up with immediately. They can just blow it up somehow and immediately get rid of us by killing Ayaka.Getting them out of there should be the first thing we do.
>>3811376Inb4 Harris is cooperating with the Church tonight.
>>3811373>His soul is that of a proud, lonely thug-warrior.Tsubaki's soul is that of a useless, lazy NEET, so let's just leave her at home to laze around and watch anime!
>>3811375>>3811379Also, don't forget about alignments and shit. Why should Matsuda want serve Alberich endlessly? He's not someone given to it, and he'd probably resent Alberich for not honoring his deathwish. I certainly don't want him to act as the Cu to our Gil on this grail-winning superteam.
>>3811373>Why can't you all just let the man go? He is our brotherThe closest thing Alberich-Yumigawa ever got to a friendHe taught us how to fight.Killing our brother over such a thing as him being compelled to attack us is just.So ridiculously stupid.
>>3811382It's not Alberich's job to save the life of every broken soul around.
>>3811383He doesn't know even a quarter of the official story. Not even that we consider him our brother due to how we were all created.I highly doubt he'd resent us for not wanting to kill our brother.>>3811385It is if they are his brother and friend.
>>3811385It also isn't his job to willingly play into the hands of his enemy.
>>3811348>Matsuda has probably been as uncooperative as possible.My maybe vs your probably.There is no way to be 100% certain about what's going on, but you have to give the enemy, especially one with as much influence as the church, more credit. If they have Matsuda "magically bound ta follow his orders." then why wouldn't you assume everything he does know they also know?>>3811364>You can't argue that they don't know about Tsubaki AND that they have a trap lying in wait.I just explained that they probably know about Circe and Adel because Matsuda knew about them and was potentially forced to tell them, and as such, they made a plan to take care of them too. Hints why Matsuda brought it up to start with.But they wouldn't know about Kōrakuhime because who would tell them? How would Matsuda have known?>THEN TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND NIGGER, SAY SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE>>3811351Simply beat him down then bind him with tendrils without killing him forcing a standstill until morning. We don't have to play their game, we just sit on the ball and dare anyone that would try to take it to do so and get slaughtered.
>>3811382Alberich's soul is that of an autistic class president so it's time to get some paperwork done and settle disputes between teenagers.
>>3811392> If they have Matsuda "magically bound ta follow his orders." then why wouldn't you assume everything he does know they also know?Because almost every Servant is magically bound in such a way by command spells and often keep secrets regardless?Matsuda was never that aware of our servants abilities either.>Simply beat him down then bind him with tendrils without killing him forcing a standstill until morningFirst off, that's gonna be hard with the sword of insta-kill we use, it's kinda high lethality.Also, until fucking morning???
>>3811392>Simply beat him down then bind him with tendrils without killing him forcing a standstill until morning. We don't have to play their game, we just sit on the ball and dare anyone that would try to take it to do so and get slaughtered.Hmm, so just bind him and then do nothing?On one hand it has the merit of keeping Tsubaki and Ayaka where we can watch them, but on the other Antaglio could pull out a Command Spell and blindside us and the other Executors he brought with him are invisible to us because of their crosses. Matsuda, however, can see and react to them...Should we bring Tsubaki and Ayaka right next to us and see if she can cut off Matsuda from whatever's controlling him?
>>3811399No no.The solution is to beat up Matsuda and then do nothing for 8 hours.
>>3811399Oh, right, also we can't waste time and energy until the morning because we were supposed to go after Archer.
>>3811398>>3811208>You know, Matsuda didn't say Antaglio had created a command spell for him.We don't know how Antaglio has him hooked by the balls, only that he is. So why not assume they know everything he knows.>Matsuda was never that aware of our servant's abilities either.But he does know that we have two and that they would be around. So why wouldn't the church assume they would most likely be with us?>First off, that's gonna be hard with the sword of insta-kill we use, it's kinda high lethality.We'll manage or is our brother not worth the effort?>Also, until fucking morning???If it takes that long then yes. They are lawful administrators of the war and won't go out of their way to break the rule, so either they jump the gun and attack us here and now or they have to let us go come sunrise.>>3811399>but on the other Antaglio could pull out a Command Spell and blindside usRead Above. We don't know how he's bound, but even if he has a Command Spell or other fuckers show up if we stay on guard we can probably last the night or if we beat Matsuda he'll probably be more willing to help us anyway if he can.>Should we bring Tsubaki and Ayaka right next to us and see if she can cut off Matsuda from whatever's controlling him?When morning comes and we are safe to move him without the threat of being attacked then yes.>>3811401>>3811403>We were supposed to go after ArcherDo you guys really think we can just get Matsuda and continue on with our day as nothing happened? If you really want to save our brother then you are gonna have to commit. It's either him, us, or Archer.You can't have your cake and eat it too, not with the options we've come up with currently.
>>3811417Doing nothing for 8 hours in the middle of the street with 3 Servants about is just asking to get killed by true Saber.Your plan is so stupid it hurts.Obviously they don't know everything Matsuda does, as his honouring his debt blindsided them.
>>3811417Also >maintaining our binding magic until morningRidiculous and stupid. It takes energy to use magic.
>>3811006>>3811058Support, but if we can keep Antaglio alive as a mana battery I'll support it instead.
>>3811417>We don't know how Antaglio has him hooked by the balls, only that he is. So why not assume they know everything he knows.It's a very reasonable assumption that he did it with a Command Spells, the most immediately-available and strongest bindings you can put on a Servant.>If it takes that long then yes.Consider how much magical energy that would take.>Do you guys really think we can just get Matsuda and continue on with our day as nothing happened?We certainly can't leave right now to pursue the Church, because now is the best time to hit Archer.If we repel Antaglio he can't do anything except issue an order to the other Masters to take us down.Lily would ignore that order, Kyouka is (or rather could be) under our control by that point, Harris now knows we're alive and much stronger (the big drawback) and Assassin knows we exist (they may actually know already).However, if we leave it now Archer has a good chance of killing Saber and therefore depriving us of a meal.
>>3811424Saber and Archer are in a standstill that is not likely to end. Even if one of them happens to win, while it would be a shame, we'd have Matsuda and they would more likely than not be too weak to attack us.>Obviously they don't know everything Matsuda does, as his honouring his debt blindsided them.That still doesn't mean he's not compelled to tell the truth or some other such bullshit. You are willingly playing stupid here.>>3811427>It takes energy to use magic.If Matsuda with his fucking E Rank Endurance isn't knocked out when we are finished with him then I'll be surprised and if he puts up such an incredible struggle trying to break out of his bonds with his fucking D Rank Strength that we run out of energy simply trying to restrain him then I'll be fucking upset.But whatever. At this point, it seems like a moot point.
>>3811433>Saber and Archer are in a standstill that is not likely to end.Except Archer seemed confident of his victory in a private conversation.>you are willingly playing stupidNot really.By the way Matsuda phrased how events occured, it sounds like he didn't tell them, otherwise they would have "known" who the two servants were.As for you comment on Matsuda's strength, it still takes magical energy to keep using magic, hours of use will drain us.Let's just see what connection the good father has set up and see if he can function as a battery after having his executors slaughtered.
>>3811433>Saber and Archer are in a standstill that is not likely to end.That was before he sat on top of Tocho and declared that he could put her down without a doubt.>Even if one of them happens to win, while it would be a shame,We need every powerup we can get to beat Odin. It wouldn't be a shame, it would be the end of the line.>If Matsuda with his fucking E Rank Endurance isn't knocked out when we are finished with him then I'll be surprised and if he puts up such an incredible struggle trying to break out of his bonds with his fucking D Rank Strength that we run out of energy simply trying to restrain him then I'll be fucking upset.That wouldn't be a problem for 5 or even 15 minutes. For 8 hours, though?And remember that using any of the miracles is notably expensive ("by expending a great deal of energy"), so they aren't meant for long-term use.
>>3811443Actually, now I think about it, there should be quite a few executors capable of magic.We might have found a solution to the mana battery issue.
Hopefully Tsubaki is aware of this shit going down and has set up a bounded field to incapacitate the humans
Ok, we could just maul and then bind the weak servant with the IN ribbons that managed to restrain Achilles, then get into the car and get the fuck out of here (maybe KO Antaglio with our bullshit Servant speed and kidnapp him too). Best case scenario Korakuhime can brainwash him so he releases Matsuda, worst case she can put both servant and master into a coma and we get a mana battery). We should enhance the car with our riding skill, so running away is not a problem, we keep Tsubaki hidden, Ayaka safe and our brother alive. Can you guys see any flaw in this plan outside of "He deserves an honorable death instead of an honorable life fighting to repay Alberich for saving his ass again and restore his honor". Once we finish with the "Matsuda problem", we can ask Tsubaki to prepare some "Church ala Akeldama with an asshole italian as a dessert". All those executors could give us plenty of power and skills (Servant level IN Black Keys would absolutely ruin other Servants aside from super Top Tier bullshit like Achilles, Heracles or Odin, also eating a guy with a bazillion command spells looks like a nice power boost).
>>3811432>If we repel Antaglio he can't do anything except issue an order to the other Masters to take us down.What I'm saying is that repelling him will be an all night job no matter what we do. There is also no way his only plan was to send Mastuda after us and call it a night and if that was the plan he's doing it to check out what our group is like and how capable we are. My goal is to deprive him of completing either potential goal by not showing him anything he might not know about and getting Matsuda from out of his thumb, and as lame as it is, my plan is the best way to do that.He won't get any of the extra servants killed and he won't learn a damn thing about potential extra servants that are running around or our group in general. It sucks that we might miss out on Saber, but if we really want to keep Matsuda alive then this is the best way to go about it.>>3811443>By the way Matsuda phrased how events occured, it sounds like he didn't tell them, otherwise they would have "known" who the two servants were.>"Church wants ta get rid of all tha 'stray Servants,' so tha War can go on with only tha original seven. Seein' as me and you're Servants, I figure that means tha strays're everyone who survived Cid's War, plus your two girls." Matsuda gives a shrug, continuing, "Sent me here ta wait for two Servants travellin' together. I figured that'd be you with your two, but I guess you're one of tha Servants. So where's th'girl, and which one is it?"I'd say it's too pretty ambiguous to assume he didn't spill the beans, but if that's a risk you are willing to take then fine.Go for it.>>3811445>That wouldn't be a problem for 5 or even 15 minutes. For 8 hours, though?tsk, fair enough. Maybe we could pin him to the ground with our sword or something?Ah fuck it, I don't know. I still think it our best bet, but it's not like it'll get any votes at this point anyway.
>>3811452Yeah but why don't we just fucking kill Antaglio though.
>>3811453Because we don't know how he's supplying Matsuda. He might have become the Master for all we know, and if he has then he needs to stay alive so Matsuda doesn't fade away.
>>3811454We'll have some time to figure something out if that is the case.We should definitely try to knock Antaglio out or whatever first though.We can probably transfer his command spells to another capable master.
>>3811455Of course....Why not just keep him asleep in the trunk and make a hole for him to breathe through? We could leave him there until the battles are done, then if Luvia'a willing to work with us we have a new Master or two; if she's not then we have Haruo and the hag.
>That wouldn't be a problem for 5 or even 15 minutes. For 8 hours, though?>tsk, fair enough. Maybe we could pin him to the ground with our sword or something?We have a car, we can leave and get to our home in less than 15 minutes, put Antaglio to sleep, leave him with Tsubaki so she can study wtf is happening and maybe be present when Archer kills Arturia so we get our nice sacrifice without having to fight.
>>3811459Oh boy I can't wait to go visit the Edelfelts at whatever hotel/property they are staying at (Luvia is very unlikely to stay in the same place Rin is staying at for free, just out of principle, thankfully.)>"Ok so the Church just tried to kill me and Kourakuhime so I killed all their executors and I have the Overseer of the war unconcious in the boot of my car, also say hi to Matsuda, he's a Lancer now and he needs a new Master before he disappears. You in?"
>>3811464I wanted to have Tsubaki use that curse of weakness on him so he wouldn't go anywhere.Maybe she can also pull out something to trace Antaglio with.>maybe be present when Archer kills Arturia so we get our nice sacrifice without having to fightThe Shijou ritual must require the beneficiary to perform the sacrifice, because they would otherwise just set up shop near slaughterhouses and let the ritual do the rest of the work.Tsubaki's ritual is an almost-total unknown.
>>3811459Nice idea anon...or we could ask Tsubaki to keep him alive with magic (Remember she is a Caster Servant) in a magic coma until our battle against Archer ends. That way, we can wait until Archer kills Arturia, get a boost and then kill Archer while he is weakened by the strain of a NP that can instakill ARTURIA or by a long fight against her.
>>3811475>must require the beneficiary to perform the sacrificeNot true, Odin killed Achilles and the ritual worked.
>>3811475I think we just needed to be present when the Servant person died and say "I accept this sacrifice!". Remember that Ayaka is the one using the ritual and she said we just needed to be near the dying Servant and say the thing (Just in case: QM, can you say who is right?)
Oh shit... pic related when the war ends and we set bounded fields in every slaughterhouse in USA.
>>3811476Arturia is somebody Alberich wants to kill on his own terms though, it's not right if we pin our hopes on Archer.Also, she'd feel us if we got close enough for the ritual.We've got quite the presence now.
>>3811489Hedge maces, not bounded fields.
>>3811490Arturia left us to die alone, we should humillate her by not only not giving her the final blow after a honorable fight, but also using her as a tool to win the war.
Why do you think we need Tsubaki's help here? Leaving Ayaka alone with undetectable executors or whatever they are around is just stupid.
>>3811495It's only humiliating if she knows she's being humiliated.>>3811499https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2MDYq1VVbU
>>3811499The shit Korakuhime can do (I know we call it notAkeldama but an anon said something about building a maze to drain people a few threads ago and I don't remember the exact name he used).
>>3811504That's a long-term project.
>>3811503I doubt she will just banish, we can appear just before she dies and say "I accept this sacrifice" with a smug grin, then attack Archer after she fades.
>>3811501That's why we are having Tsubaki and Ayaka move as a pair, you imbecile, it's no more dangerous than just leaving the two in the car.They won't be undetectable to Tsubaki if she sets up a Bounded Field either, which she can do very quickly as it's her specialty.
>>3811508Yep, that's why I said "after the war".
>>3811516I mean, she'd have to be dead and fading already for the sacrifice to work. So...Kinda pointless.Just taunting a corpse.
>>3811521Let me explain:Archer: DEATH RAY!Arturia, the bullshit servant with bullshit stats: Oh shit, I'm dying with this mortal wound.Alberich: Surprise motherfuckers!
>>3811042I think he absolutely does want to fight us. Fighting is what he lives for.
>>3811523The ritual specifically doesn't work unless she's actually dead. Also, Archer's NP and Archer will probably get destroyed by an Excaliblast depending on how little Arturia cares about causing civilian casualties.
>>3811526Fighting to the death is not what he lives for though.Otherwise he would've fought the Yakuza who disappeared his friend.He didn't though.We can fight all we like as allies.If he immediately gets restrained by our shadow tendrils, it's his loss anyway.
>>3811535>Matsuda's face is covered in a bloodthirsty grin. "So let's at least have a good fight before we go, huh? No more sparrin' now, Kaichou, and no more o' you holdin' your strength back for me! We're on an even playin' field now! Come and kill me, ya prissy bastard!"Hmmm....
>>3811523>Archer: DEATH RAY!Is that so?
>>3811544He thinks there's no way out and wants to go out with dignity.
>>3811544Remember Adelheid anon? Just because someone says something doesn't necessarily mean they want to die pointlessly.
>>3811544>"No more holding back!">"Ok">immediately restrains him with magic>"I seem to have won."As his magic resistance is only E, Truvi can feel free to shoot slightly effective Gandr at him if we make her his Master.Matsuda probably doesn't think there's another solution and also probably doesn't think we would have any reason to find one.He's running on the assumption that he's doomed right now, so he probably wants to go out on his own terms at least. Not like he actually wants to die.
>>3811559Is there a way out? Where's he gonna get his energy from? I'm not sure that Truvi or Luvia are the allies that people assume they are. Giving them a Servant is questionable at best.
>>3811582>Is there a way out?What do you think we have been talking about?Did you perhaps forget to turn on your brain?Is this some kind of joke?
>>3811591Do you have something to do with Matsuda other than meme hedges or giving him to über-dubious "allies" who aren't even connected to the grail?
>>3811582>Is there a way out?We won't know until we try.Like hell we should kill our brother because of A FUCKING PRIEST'S scheme though. Antaglio fucked with the wrong servant(s)I do hope we get to reveal what we actually are to Antaglio before we finally kill him though.The truth should really fuck him up. The fact he was unknowingly fucking with both the Children of Judas and potential Messiahs
>>3811597>Potential MessiahsGet off the lsd anon
>>3811598How have you missed the context of what we are so hard?
>>3811600Alberich is the anti-christ bro, not a neo-Messiah
>>3811596Mana Transfers (I mean, last resort really, though blood works as a medium of transfer)Hunting like Tsubaki Potentially hooking him up to a single location like Sasaki until we find a suitable masterTruvi becoming his master by transferring Antaglio's admin command spellsThere are many possible solutions
>>3811605>Mana transfers Not with that magical energy stat. That only works for seibah and Tsubaki because of fuckoff magical energy stores>HuntingSee above>Single locationActually worse than death, and was a natural element of his summoning rather than a conscious choice by Medea post-summoning.>Giving him to TruviNecessitates we >Find Antaglio>Keep him alive>Get Truvi>Be assured she's on our side>Hope Kōrakuhime can actually do this
>>3811601What Alberich is depends on Alberich. But Judas compares the sacrifice of Akeldama to the sacrifice of well...I think you can infer what Judas meant.
>>3811610Well, if the Church could figure out a way to sustain him, we probably can too.We can use the direct transferral of mana to keep him alive until we figure a method out.Stop being such a defeatist, we should at least try.
>>3811591I'm just questioning the validity of the plans that have been discussed so far.
Consider the following.Matsuda has no idea the grail can incarnate Servants.
>>3811652Actually, he might.I need to reread, but was he there for the wish discussion?
Oh and I think our Shadow Tendrils bypass magic resistance like the actual Shadow's tendrils did. We restrained Rider, remember?She has B-rank resistance. So neither incredible strength or magic resistance allow enemy Servants to get out of them.Alberich is fucking broken.Nobody expects a Saber to start throwing magic about in the first place, nevermind the magic of the "Fuck Servants with resistance to magic up" variety.
How would Matsuda respond if we told him that he still owes us for saving his life? Killing that executor doesn't count for shit.
>>3811709Of course they bypass resistance. The tendrils are made material by HOS -- only the control we exert over them is a magecraft.
>>3811732I mean, he probably only said that so he can fight us with a somewhat clear conscience. He owes us for way more than just saving him that one time against Judas.Then again, Judas said he couldn't directly harm the Akeldama sacrifices.
>>3811737Are you ready to utterly terrify Saber in our eventual rematch?
>>3811480You don't fully understand the magic yourself, and haven't discussed it much with Ayaka. You're sure she can explain it if you ask, though.
>>3811709Because Hollow and Nothingness are the anti-magic elements, and Servants are magical constructs.If you used them against a different IN-aligned Servant, like yourself, it'd be a different story.
It occurs to me that we played a significant part in the death of Achilles by holding him down long enough for Odin to stick him with Gungnir.
>>3811781Ah, I see.So their effectiveness on Matsuda is going to be limited then.That's quite a nuisance.
Well, the weakening bounded field should work on Matsuda quick enough to incapacitate him, considering it worked on Alberich. Fucking up Antaglio might do the trick, too.
The binding isn't going to work on Matsuda, guys.We might have to fend him off until we can get Tsubaki to sap his strength with a bounded field.Matsuda, stop being such a damn pain.The Good News is that Alberich can actually 1v1 the Shadow.
>>3811787>>3811813He should be affected, since he's not actively IN-aligned and his Magical Energy stat is E.
>>3811819>Lancer of Imaginary Numbers >not actively IN-aligned?Though yeah, he might be able to break out but they should have at least some effect due to his low magic resistance. Meanwhile I would imagine they would just fall apart immediately if they were used on somebody like Alberich or Odin
Oh just remembered.>Alignment: Lawful NeutralWasn`t Matsuda Chaotic Good in Akeldama?Quite a change.
>>3811823>?You don't see him shooting tendrils, do you?That's what I mean.
>>3811787I didn't say he was IN-aligned. Kōrakuhime is an Average One, so it's not like you siblings all share one alignment.>>3811838Matsuda was chaotic good? Where's that from? He wasn't a Servant, so I shouldn't have posted a status sheet for him.As for his current ethos, its origin should be pretty clear.
>>3811859Well obviously not, but that's besides the point.His elements and origin are almost certainly the same as ours.He could be a bigger problem than we've given him credit for.I seriously want to avoid killing him though.I'm sure he doesn't truly want things to end this way either.>>3811838The only one who didn't get alignment shifted was Tsubaki. Who was hilariously always evil.
>>3811864>Its origin should be pretty clear.Sword?
>>3811864>Kourakuhime is an Average One Oh, well.That is interesting.Nevermind then, I guess. We should be wary anyway though.
>>3811876Get out of here, Emiya.
>>3811864I am pretty sure one anon did a alignment chart with pre- and post- Akeldama and you confirmed Matsuda`s alignment for it, Sweets. It was like three or four threads ago I think.
Man, can you imagine the reaction of the remaining participants if the entire Church administration group just disappeared in one night?
At the end of the day though, what's a little bit of casual attempted murder between siblings?Matsuda needs us to bail him out AGAIN due to his absolutely terrible luck.It's like Alberich is the only competent sibling. One day our back is going to break from carrying this fucking team everywhere.
Oh.There's a slim possibility but Antaglio might think the Stray Servants are all suffering from the mana deprivation that he found Matsuda dying from.If that happens to be the case, there's about to be the biggest massacre of Christians since Amakusa.
We should probably let Tsubaki know what's going on outside. Ergo, let her know that there are a bunch of ninja zealots.
>>3812101This has been going on in plain sight in front of them, I would hope she's already acting, personally.Sure am glad we let her come along, bunch of Church Mooks sounds like a Caster's best target.
Maximum Pride>>3811032A proper duel>>3811057>>3811083>>3811342Overwhelming Force>>3811297Attack the Darkness! (#1)>>3811357>>3811058>>3811430Attack the Darkness! (#2)>>3811124>>3811412>>3811359>>3811183>>3811165>>3811129Have I missed anybody's vote?
I wonder how Tsubaki feels about her other brother, anyway. I wonder if she's upset that these church assholes are using him like this.I hope we can keep him alive.I would hate to kill off Matsuda like this.
>>3812315Just add letting her know about the invisible ninja zealots.
>>3812330I'll never get tired of saying "invisible ninja zealots". I love Fate so much...
I hope this works.We need to have a long chat with Matsuda.
God, everything would be so much easier to resolve if Circe was here....Oh Christ I hope our two servants haven't died of mana deficiency. Now that would cause a shitstorm.
>>3812605That might be why Sweets has kept us separated for so long. We'd just brainwash literally everyone we were in conflict with and that wouldn't be any fun at all.
>>3812605Circe is probably the one sucking luck out of everyone. Adelheid is a berserker so she either got a master, a really stealthy way mass munching on mundanes or RIP.
>>3812622I'm kinda hoping that Adelheid and Circe appeared together and Circe had the decency to keep Adelheid alive. She should realise at least that she needs all the power she can get.Same reasoning we contracted her in the first place.It's either that or the two both got linked to True Yumigawa.We should really check that out. Just in case.>>3812621Emiyas?Brainwash.Edelfelts?Too bad, brainwash.Enemy Masters?Teleport in kidnap+brainwash.Yeah, Circe would be a gamebreaker here, honestly.I've been living in despair about Adelheid and Circe's status for almost half of this entire quest.
>>3812649AlsoCirce has an A+ mana rank and should be at her full strength from Yumigawa's energy fuelling her. Additionally she's one of the best Magi in history. She's probably survived. Adelheid was also at full power thanks to having a top tier Master. She has Magical Energy: B so she should be able to last a fair while and is thankfully knowledgeable enough about magecraft (she knew about magecraft in life, I'm pretty certain) to know that she can kill people for energy. The fact that there were no reports early on that could have indicated her activity tells me she might have found a different solution to survive. We know that the church can probably block Tsubaki's scrying now, so I assume the same holds true against a Caster on Circe's level or people inside her territory.We also know it took Tsubaki a few hours to start scrying at least. More than enough time for Circe to set up her territory. Matsuda could survive at least some time on E mana too.Hmmph.
After this fucking mess, Matsuda definitely gets to be the youngest sibling.If he survives.I'm worried that we're about to get blindsided by Assassin.Or that Matsuda can counter the tendrils. Or that something is going to happen to Tsubaki or Ayaka.Oh I hate this.
>>3811006>[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on. You have faith in your abilities, and it would give Matsuda the end he deserves. (Pride/Compassion)While it would be cool to have the old gang back together again, not killing him here could put Tsubaki and Ayaka in serious danger. Matsuda also doesn't seem to want to serve under Alberich regardless of the Servant business, given that he wants to consider his life debt cleared.>>3812605This is probably going to be an unpopular stance to take, but I think that if Circe is still alive, and Archer is Odysseus, then she's almost certainly working with him. Odysseus is a pretty good talker, and Circe probably wanted to believe whatever bullshit he spewed. Odysseus would gladly play a dangerous game with Circe's emotions if it meant getting an advantage, and Circe was just looking for Odysseus Dos in Rushorou/Alberich to begin with.
>>3812847>killing Matsuda without even trying to tell him anything or convince himHe cleared the life debt because he's under orders to fight us, and it would leave an even worse taste in his mouth if he killed us with it still in effect.>NTRI highly doubt Sweets wants to kill the entire quest in a player spergeout beyond all compare.>this entire postNo.
>>3812889Matsuda cleared the life debt before he realized that Alberich was a Servant. That means he wants out.Sweets already braved the risk of player spergout just by restarting Akeldama. He could very well do it again.Also, if we're going to talk about what Sweets will do, there's no way Matsuda will be rejoining us. Sweets openly admitted to wanting to have Matsuda dead already and not a single one of the options he's provided even make an attempt to preserve Matsuda's life.
>>3812952>Matsuda cleared the life debt before he realized that Alberich was a Servant. That means he wants out.Matsuda also tried to kill us before he realized Alberich was a servant. Matsuda is also totally unaware of what he actually is.Why would Matsuda willingly choose to die anyway?Considering that by the fact that he continues to exist, he doesn't ACTUALLY want to die? Because he's kind of uhFollowing the orders of Antaglio so he can continue existing.Your position makes no sense.>Sweets already braved the risk of player spergout just by restarting Akeldama.What?The original Akeldama was from a different QM if you're talking about how Sweets rebooted it.And yes, "a risk". Not an absolute guarantee of a massive shitstorm from multiple players which having the (still, despite everything) most popular female character literally NTR the main character>If we're going to talk about what Sweets will do, there's no way Matsuda will be rejoining us.>not a single one of the options he's provided even make an attempt to preserve Matsuda's life.The Write-In option exists.We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
>>3812989Remember the beginning of Akeldama when Matsuda tried to charge the group of skeletons knowing that it would kill him? He doesn't value his own life that much. He also doesn't seem to have a real drive to continue existing beyond the fact that he can or has some obligation to fulfill. It reminds me of Spike from Cowboy Bebop, just sort of living until he finally gets his excuse to die.Reboot, restart, you know what I mean. The other QM dropped it because of the loli rant, which Sweets risked reigniting and stated he would push through I'd he did. Whether or not he'd risk the Circe thing, I don't know, but it's not outside the realm of possibility just because it would be unpopular.But, as you've said, it's obvious that we don't agree and no amount of discussion will change that. Let's just agree to disagree.
>>3813033>Let's agree to disagreeNever.You're really underestimating what a shitstorm and player drop that the "Circe thing" would cause though.It's really not worth doing.The Loli Rant was just a single autist that could easily be ignored. NTRshit would blow that right out of the water.Matsuda needs to be given a reason to live is all.Honestly, I don't think any of the four artificial souls especially valued their lives much at the beginning of Akeldama.If Matsuda wants to die so much he can fucking kill himself.
>>3813053There hasn't been nearly enough suffering in this quest, anon. Not everything is going to go well for Alberich.
>>3813058Suffering is for lesser men.Like that asshole Emiya.
I just think killing Matsuda here is just playing into our enemies hands.By giving him a stupid honourable duel, Antaglio and his Executors could have the opportunity to pull off some sort of ritual, or to target Tsubaki and Ayaka whilst we are distracted.If you actually care about our other allies, you should just vote to execute Matsuda like the dog you think he is. If he truly can't be saved or doesn't want to be saved, then that's just how things will have to go.Right now though, we are unaware as to his true motivations, he's obviously not happy about the situation he's found himself in, but he is also an idiot with a lust for battle.He's also under the impression that we're on an even playing field now, where in reality he's probably even more outmatched than he was back when we were merely superhumanly strong, unless he has some crazy aces up his sleeves.Sweets bringing back a character (who's return has been long awaited) and mentioning he was originally going to kill them off off-screen but player opinion changed his mind and then forcing the players to kill them instead with absolutely no route of saving them is just...Well, to say it leaves a bad taste in my mouth is quite the understatement, I must say.
>>3813119You're kind of assuming that we can always get what we want as players. The issues still stand, does Matsuda want to be saved? Can we sustain his existence?
>>3813130These are all very good questions.I'm sure we'll know the answers at some point.We should at least try to tell Matsuda who he really is before he decides though.Who even knows what he thinks he is.If anything, the Church probably really tried to hammer in how shit being a Servant is or whatever.He is also likely operating under the impression that he's truly alone.Besides, Alberich can't exactly say he's a good brother if he kills one of his siblings out of convenience and rage.Lets use our head and avoid the pitfalls that Heroes tend to fall into.
Personally, I'm hoping to solve the issue we're having with a lack of mana by using these church goons as mediums. It's really a fabulous gift.But hey, that's a best case scenario.Tilting between complete despair and desperate hope is a common feature of Write-In votes. If Matsuda can't be saved and trying dead ends us or kills Ayaka or Tsubaki then this whole situation is completely fucked then Matsuda should 100 percent have been killed offscreen.
>>3813053>It's really not worth doing.Thots be thotting man, it ain't complicated. Don't invest in ancient goddesses if you want loyalty, fags. >Matsuda needs to be given a reason to live is all.Why? If he wants to die, wants to cut ties with Alberich, wants somebody to FINALLY honor him with a good fight, so what?>Sweets bringing back a character (who's return has been long awaited) and mentioning he was originally going to kill them off off-screen but player opinion changed his mind and then forcing the players to kill them instead with absolutely no route of saving them is just...You can't save everyone. This is literally a theme from HF, the most basic shit. If this is a dead end or "Matsuda dies lol" it's perfectly in line with the themes of the source material.>>3813144>Alberich can't exactly say he's a good brotherWhy does he care? Alberich has generally paid his dues to people who honor him in turn, not some simpleton who renounces his ties ASAP and is trying to kill him.>If Matsuda can't be saved and trying dead ends us or kills Ayaka or Tsubaki then this whole situation is completely fucked then Matsuda should 100 percent have been killed offscreen.Meh, I can't say I agree. Tying up loose ends properly is so much better then "lol Ilya kills Shinji after the tower battle".
>>3813205>>3813322If there's anything I'm getting from this, it's that you can't please everyone.I don't have an update for you tonight, but I'll reassure you that I have thought this development through. I didn't just bring Matsuda back on a lark.
All these disloyal doomers are really getting me mad with this "Fucking murder our friend because it's marginally more tactically viable then saving him," shit. Don't give me that honor duel shit either, he's clearly just doing his best to rationalize the fact that he has no other choice but to throw himself into a fight with his best friend or face certain death.
>>3813456All these pie-in-the-sky bloomers are really getting me mad with this "Fucking save the lunatic because tickles muh feelings more then giving him the death he deserves" shit. Don't give me that practicality shit either, he's clearly weak and in a terrible position which should be essentially impossible to extricate him from.
>>3813504Imagine not wanting to save our brother.
>>3813322You're being ignorant on purpose at this point.A theme of Shirou's Story was "You can't save everyone." because he would literally try and save everyone, not just the few people he cares about. And it's irrelevant anyway.Alberich or his motivations have never been like Shirou or his.The NTR thing is utterly braindead and were it to happen the shitstorm will be of immense proportions, you have to realise this.>Why does he care?Because Matsuda was his friend, is his brother and is being controlled into doing this. He literally told us he's being controlled. He still saved our life (debatable) against that executor despite that, even if it was only to clear the debt.Even if he wins this fight he's probably not going to live long after that stunt.Anyway of course he wanted to clear the debt, otherwise he would have to have fought us with that hanging over his head. >If he wants to dieThe way he was acting somber about his guaranteed death doesn't really indicate this.>>3813363Well, that's reassuring at least.>>3813504Why are you like this, anon?
>>3813728>You're being ignorant on purpose at this point.You could've ended there.He's not interested in arguing, he just wants to piss someone off. The most sensible thing to do is to ignore him forever.
>>3813322>>3813504Look man, I get it, you want an easy sacrifice to help Alberich win the war, you are also afraid of the possible negative cons of giving Matsuda a chance. Let's try to find a solution that pleases both sides so we can get an update alredy: We give Matsuda a chance and if, after telling him about his nature and trying to save him we dead end or things get even more complicated, we murder the fuck out of him and sacrifice every fucking ninja zealot in the city, them we go to fight archer.
>>3813734So he is a troll? Well, I'm disapointed, ignore my last post.
I just want to argue with Matsuda about who the oldest sibling is, despite being exactly the same age as him.Preferably while Ayaka and Tsubaki look on in confusion. I also want to see somebody else get hit with the revelation of their true identity and to see how he reacts to being told that Alberich is practically his brother.
>>3813751>I just want to argue with Matsuda about who the oldest sibling isWe'll make him submit and call us "aniki". The outcome was never in question, only the method.
>>3813754You are correct, the title of eldest should go to the strongest and most responsible. Alberich is by far the strongest sibling, even holding back, he could strike Tsubaki down easily.Alberich is also the most responsible.I'd also argue that he's the most generally intelligent of the three thanks to inheriting Yumigawa's memories.He's had to bail his siblings out effectively since he came into existence.
I hope Matsuda isn't jealous of our bullshit magic skills.Or of Heiligoffnungschwert.Well, I suppose we were going to have to deal with the overseer of the war eventually. They have officially violated the NAP so it's fair game to kill every single one of them. I wonder if news of somebody slaughtering the Overseer will reach Shirou.Oh! If we kill the Overseer, there's nobody to stop our mass sacrifice plansI wonder if we can make Truvi a Master for Matsuda.It's a little risky, but possibly our best course of action.
>>3813734>He just wants to piss someone offOk, I'll lay things out then. I'm certainly not a troll.The basis of my opposition to this is such>Matsuda is Alberich's friendIs he though? They spent a couple weeks together, of which only a select few moments were in eachother's company. While those were also the first weeks of their respective lives, this doesn't make the connection any more significant. The basis of said connection was Matsuda's life debt, which he has already clearly rejected. I don't think there's nearly as much tying them together as you do.>He's Alberich's brotherI was against this reasoning with Kōrakuhime, and am still against it now. Of course, it's IC now so there's not much to be done for it. But this is a major aspect of my personal opposition.>A theme of Shirou's story is "you can't save everyone, because he'd literally..."Who have you anons not attempted to save just yet? The barest hint of connection compels us to waste time and energy on dubious causes, over and over. Name me somebody in this grail war who anons have easily set aside their liking for and done in. Anons already postulate on collecting the unknown Assassin, and there's a faction out there who still want to collect the Saber. I am averse to all of these moves.>The NTR thing is utterly braindeadI mean, I guess. This is probably the dumbest thing to argue about so I will agree that it's a terrible idea and should be left in the dust.So in short, not only do I believe the methods of "saving" Matsuda are flawed, and that he does not want to be "saved", but that there really is just not much there for Alberich to cling to (nor is there much that he should cling to). The connection remains tenuous, and this sort of relativism where "oh, but she's the first human we met" doesn't actually make the connections stronger. Also, he's swinging a polearm at Alberich right now. So there's that.
>>3813971Actually, Alberich spent a decent amount of time with Matsuda due to their training.I don't think you're right about the life debt either. Matsuda is a very straightforward man.He's lawful neutral and is both being forced to attack us and has a life debt with us.You should realise the meaning of that.Also why even bring up your opposition to the sibling thing? It's completely established.
>>3813991>Also why even bring up your opposition to the sibling thing? Honestly? I just don't like it. So "brotherrrr" doesn't do it for me.
>>3813971>Matsuda's life debt, which he has already clearly rejected>he's swinging a polearm at Alberich right nowHe's doing all of these things because he thinks he has no other choice.This is the equivalent of a guy losing everything in a stock-market crash and hanging himself above hidden treasure he didn't know was there. Shouldn't we at least see if we can help him? rhetorical questionStep I would be not killing him.>there really is just not much there for Alberich to cling to (nor is there much that he should cling to)This is a matter of subjective opinion and judgement that can't be debated.>Anons already postulate on collecting the unknown AssassinWhen? I haven't seen it once and an archive search doesn't turn up anything.>and there's a faction out there who still want to collect the Saber.That one seems to have died out after the anons realized that getting good enough to do that would take a great deal of study and research.I'll end it here, since we've been arguing about this for too long and nobody's going to back down.
>>3813999The Assassin thing was mostly anons talking about how easy it would be to recruit Hassan of Serenity due to poison immunity. We know the Assassin isn't Serenity though. As for clinging on to things, that's kind of a natural result of finding out that your entire life except the past few weeks was basically a lie.Some sort of attachment to the few people you actually met is kind of natural. Even Yumigawa was a little bit like this before knowing the truth. There was no logical reason for him to allow anybody he met to continue living except Truvi when she had Lancer.They were all weak links in whatever he planned.
>>3814055>The Assassin thing was mostly anons talking about how easy it would be to recruit Hassan of Serenity due to poison immunity.Oh, that.That's not meant to be taken seriously, anon. We all know it won't be Serenity, even as we post about it.
Man, the imaginary number ribbons are so broken I expect them to fail any time they are used just because they are so powerful otherwise.How will Arturia react if she sees us start using them in our fight with her is the big question though.That might actually get us Excaliblasted immediately.
>>3813999>>3814055>>3814060Fair fair. Well, my position has lost the vote in any event. As you say, arguing over the subjective is just pointless posting.
>>3814201>How will Arturia reactCan the worst Saber feel proper fear? This is a good question. Imagine Harris's fw the invincible King Arthur gets severe PTSD.
>>3814210>"Saber! What's wrong? How do you know that Servant!? Why are you afraid of his magic?!">"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA">Excaliblasts a large streak of Tokyo.>Alternatively gets command spelled to stop halfway through and fucking diesServants braver than she is can feel fear. Even Berserker feared the Shadow and he was a fucking BerserkerAnd also Heracles.But that's might be a special case for the Shadow, really.Though Imaginary Numbers are the bane of Servants, it seems.Alberich himself however is apparently immune, so that will be fun for if Sakura decides to get involved.Saber is going to be up against an enemy that she could have finished off but is now far far stronger and is exhibiting even more of the powers of the Shadow.If she doesn't feel fear she's going to be so unbelievably pissed off at both Harris and herself for letting it get to this point.I do wonder if she would feel fear if Alberich went full psychopath and brought up that "torturing to death" thing he fantasized about in a speech though.
>>3814244The Imaginary Elements were noted in canon to be highly effective against spiritual entities (with bodies made of Ether) but not against incarnated beings.
>>3814244>Alberich himself however is apparently immuneI'm guessing that's because it would be a case of trying to fight fire with fire.
>>3814287Yeah.Though I think that they could probably restrain humans in a pinch even with that restriction. Our ability/potential to manifest imaginary numbers is likely second to none thanks to Heilig filling in the gaps.We should seriously read Vaisset's notes tomorrow, I think.>>3814293Probably.I'm just happy that Alberich would be able to fight the Shadow unlike Saber, who just loses.One more loss for Blue Saber.
>>3814308>Reading Vaisset's notesThere's something that's been blackholed. I'm in favor, as long as the manor isn't burnt down when we get back.
>>3814313We've just had a lot of stuff on our mind.Reading those notes and getting the method to work would be insanely good for us though.
>>3814308>We should seriously read Vaisset's notes tomorrow, I think.>>3814313>There's something that's been blackholedAT LONG LAST
>>3814339Yes anon. It's finally time for Alberich to read books like the fucking nerd he is.
>>3814339>>3814357Remember boys, unlimited knowledge, power, and pride
>>3814357>>3814362I've been pushing for this moment for so long.
>>3814370Rejoice, anon. For your wish shall (probably) be granted.>>3814357I forget sometimes that true Yumigawa was kind of a Bishōnen himself. Like, he's got a shitload of secret admirers and is completely unaware of it iirc.Then he got the Einzbern look and became even more handsome (I think that's the case, anyway.)That in combination with being the Student Council President and a star student and it's no wonder about his popularity. Shame he's too autistic.
While I was reading through thread 1 again I noticed something, Yumigawa was a near-emotionless nihilist, true, but he did care about his parents to some degree. So Alberich being somewhat focused on helping who he considers his family is kind of in fitting with his old mindset and is reinforced by his new capacity for emotions.>Mother, on the other hand, worries for you. That's plain, and it hurts you to see her that way
>>3814490That's correct. My original idea for Rushorou was that he's someone who doesn't enjoy anything. His other emotions are in working order, though. While his general mindset may be fucked due to the lack of positive emotions, he's not a total sociopath. Negative emotions, like sympathy, are definitely there.Of course, his other emotions came to the surface over the course of Fate/City Akeldama as well.
Congratulations on dodging 2 successive dead ends, by the way. I don't think I mentioned that earlier, but it was very deft of you folks.
>>3814539Oh no, we're going to upset Taiga again by not dying.I imagine those two have been waiting to scold us since we betrayed Shirou.Well, unless we die now.The only thing I know for sure is that tonight is the night this war loses any remaining sense it still has.Fuck the Church.
I wish I had an image that combines the endless despair and irrational hope that comes from a combat vote/write-inEspecially one with stakes as high as this.You know what, this might do the trick.Anyway, what are the odds Matsuda isn't going to bother changing the nickname he gave Ogawara?Well, if he survives, of course.Which I'm really hoping he does.But with hope comes despair.
>>3814539>Congratulations on dodging 2 successive dead endsFrom what?
>>3814758Jobbing to a priest with shitty Presence Concealment like an absolute fuckin loser and then getting killed by MatsudaAnd uh...Taking Kourakuhime along with us?Unless Sweets means the current vote for some reason.It's possible Matsuda just kinda ruined Antaglio's entire plan for us. Now that Kourakuhime is aware of the situation she should really already be setting up some bounded fields to fuck up the executors.Maybe a few summons for defence too.
>>3814758If you'd told Matsuda he'd cleared his debt, he'd have attacked you then and there, cooperating with the hidden executor, resulting in your death.If you'd turned your back on Matsuda to hunt for other executors, he'd have taken the opportunity to kill you then.
>>3814793Damn it, he's surprisingly dangerous.Well, especially when Alberich isn't on guard like he should be.His chances should have gone down significantly now that Alberich is taking things seriously.
>>3814793Hello? Yes, I would like to double the amount of rape tendrils of Nothingness I have ordered.
>>3814830>"Credit Card Declined."
>>3814830I have several problems with this image.Why is she wiping her face with the bloody hand? It makes me want to take her aside and get a towel.Isn't the shadow supposed to be non-reflective? It just sucks in light; here, though, it looks like vinyl.Most importantly, what the heck is that thing she's holding supposed to be? It's not a finger, or one of Zouken's worms. Is it a piece of tofu? Chikuwa? That indeterminate shape bugs me.
>>3814858>It makes me want to take her aside and get a towel.I always knew you was secretly Shirou, Sweets. You have just revealed yourself now for all to see.
>>3814830I see your Uncanny Valley Sakura and I raise you a Sader.>>3814870That's impossible anon. We're Shirou.Sweets is actually Angra Mainyu LARPing as Shirou.
By the way, I'm writing now. Couldn't post anything last night because of my Thursday work schedule, as I've mentioned before, but today's update should be forthcoming relatively soon.
There was a part of me that felt bad that we were going to fuck Matsuda's muh honorable duel thing up. But after finding out about his possible actions in this fight prior to this?Nah.He needs to be taught a lesson.>>3814925Oh good.
>>3814952This is the guy whose first lesson to you was that you should never pass up an opportunity for a sucker punch, or to attack from behind.He's always been a major pragmatist when it comes to fighting.
>>3814971Well yeah.But it's still annoying when Alberich himself is on the receiving end. Or wellWould be.
Anybody want to see if they can edit this so it's a proper tigerskin pattern instead of blue roots on gold?
>>3815090Yeah I'll give it a shot.
>>3814971You say a major pragmatist, I say a major asshole that deserves a beating, some dozens of IN tendrils and half an hour of Korakuhime making hentai bad puns while we drive away from this place.
>>3815137>Lancer gets saved >"wow, looks like my luck is finally turning around!">his siblings relentlessly bully him for acting like a stupid asshole Yep that's E-Rank luck alright.
"Oh no, Matsuda. I've taken too many of your counters to rush in at a little taunt like that." You tamp down your rage at this betrayal and give Matsuda an easy, friendly smile; as if you're just the same two friends sparring you were in the Akeldama. At the same time, you step back again, widening the distance between you and bringing Heiligöffnungschwert up in a diagonal guard to protect your face. As for your body, you keep your stance low so that Kenótis hangs down and shrouds you in darkness. This way, you have the breathing room you'll need to react to Matsuda's nearly invisible strikes. "You'll have to come to me.""Hou... Playin' it safe, huh?" Matsuda chuckles. "Wonder which one a us has got more patience, though." Down the road, he settles into a stance of his own, one foot forward and one behind, his spear held back while an empty left hand beckons before him. It's an unpredictable, seemingly vague stance, but unnerving nonetheless. Matsuda isn't one to break from his casual posture easily, you know, and the memory of all the times he's overwhelmed you despite a massive difference in strength keeps you firmly on your guard.As the two of you stare each other down, probing for that break in will or vigilance that will signal an attack, your temper cools and you begin to reevaluate your feelings. Matsuda hasn't betrayed you out of any spirit of treachery or base resentment. He's been forced to it by magic, and that only because he found himself alone and without aid. Indeed, this could be considered a failing on your part. Didn't you resolve to lead Matsuda and Ogawara capably, when the three of you left that forest for the Eighth City? Yet, upon your arrival in Tokyo, you forgot them and focused only on your own situation, abandoning Ogawara to become the man-eating oni Yōjinshi-no-Kōrakuhime, and Matsuda to become a tool of the War's overseer. The proper course now, you think, the duty of a true leader, is not to punish Matsuda with death, but to capture Antaglio and free Matsuda from his control. Since you're occupied with Matsuda, however, the job of capturing his Master will have to fall to Kōrakuhime.You stretch out your mind, contacting your own Master, back in the car. 'Miss Ayaka, I need you and Kōrakuhime to get out of the car and look for this Servant's Master, an old man. It seems he's hiding somewhere nearby, masking his presence with a mystic code. If you two can incapacitate him, I believe we shall be able to turn this situation to our advantage.''I'm sorry, Saber-san,' comes the hesitant reply, 'but your, um, sister isn't actually here with me anymore. She was watching you and that guy in the road, then she suddenly said there were other enemies you hadn't seen, and told me to just wait here and not distract you.'
'What? Damn it all, you should have told me! Just stay there, then, and be careful. Hide, if you can.' This situation has just become significantly worse. You return your attention to Matsuda, who's still eying you hungrily. He's eager for the battle to be joined, that at least is one clear aspect of this quagmire."How many Church agents came with you, Matsuda?" you growl. Even as you say it, it seems foolish. Why should he give such information up willingly to an enemy? He does respond, though, perhaps motivated by some feeling of remorse at having to fight you; or perhaps it's only his confidence."There were six of 'em, fighters from some kinda demon-huntin' agency in tha Church. Five, now, ta take on that girly o' yours." He grins crookedly, a malicious expression. "Mind, I still wouldn't put my bet on their side, whichever one o' your girls it is. I'll probably hafta take care o' her after I'm done with you." Five humans, and the mysterious Antaglio, against Kōrakuhime? No, you don't rate their chances any higher than Matsuda seems to. In that case, your course of action is simple. You need only make sure Matsuda is held fast, and you have the perfect method for it. You draw on the command spell that binds you, pouring Ayaka's magical energy into your circuits, and project it out into the darkness. With a sweep of your left hand, you send four tendrils of Nothingness hurtling towards Matsuda, one to bind each limb. He'll be caught by surprise at the magic, bound, and then it will remain only to wait for Kōrakuhime.That was the hope, at least. The reality is different, as Matsuda smoothly reacts without so much as a change of expression. He slides back, pivoting around his right foot to bring his spear around to the fore and, with a flick of his wrist, twirls the weapon in a gleaming circle of light before him. In one motion, it slices through each black and red tendril, seeming almost to dissolve them in the blade's reflected light. No, it does dissolve them! Before your shocked eyes, your element recedes in ragged tatters, dissipating like fog in a hot wind."Guess ya learned some magic yourself," Matsuda says, eying the vanishing shadows contemptuously as he returns the blade to his shoulder, relaxing his stance. "That ain't all ya got, is it? How much time've ya spent trainin' with that sword, Kaichou?""Training with the sword?" You give him a blank look, surprise at his comment and fury at his attitude warring within you. "Matsuda, I received skill with a blade upon becoming a Servant, and have been honing my skills since in battle. Why would I have trained with it as well, when when I could spend the time on more productive matters?"
"That's not a good way ta think, Kaichou." Matsuda shakes his head in disappointment. "Guys who only rely on their natural strength, and never try ta get stronger 'cept by fightin' always end up goin' down hard when they hit their limit. I thought ya understood that when ya came ta me ta learn how ta fight. Guess I was wrong.""Oh? And how much good did your training do you in the University, Matsuda?" Damn his impudence, how dare he speak that way to you? "You had the luxury of spending all your time training your body, while I had to consider the War as a whole, and how did that serve you? How many of our enemies did you beat down, with those fists of yours?""I wasn't strong enough then, yer right about that," Matsuda snaps. He's as angry as you are now, both of you glaring daggers at each other. "I'll show you my method's tha better one now, though, if ya've got tha courage ta face me! Come on, damn it!">[ ] Attack Matsuda head-on with the sword! You won't have him insulting your abilities any longer! (Pride)>[ ] If Matsuda thinks the time you spent learning to control Nothingness was wasted, you'll prove him wrong. Keep attacking from a distance and bury him if you have to! (Pride/Self-Preservation)>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3815233>>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)NO MATSUDA, I INSIST.
>>3815233>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)
>>3815233>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)"Can you really take pride in the strength you gained only from riding my coattails to victory?"If he's so reluctant to attack, let's get him pissed enough to go for it.
Well, something's very fucky with his spear or he shares the Imaginary Number alignment.Cool spear though.He's being rather helpful here, too. What a straightforward guy.Of course we could never actually win a battle easily.Though I would like to see him try to counter a rift slash.Well, I wouldn't, but you get my point.Damn overly lethal sword.
>>3815281He can probably counter rift slashes, he can probably counter every instakill attack we have until we leave him with 10% of his power, like every other Servant we have faced... (now seriously, why do we invest power to get our OP instakill sword more OP instakill if we know that sweets won't kill/defeat an enemy character without a fight, we should focus on defense, agility and skill)
>>3815315>Now seriously, why do we invest power to get our OP instakill sword more OP instakill if we know that sweets won't kill/defeat an enemy character without a fight, we should focus on defense, agility and skillWe already have good agility and skill, defense needs work but it's still good. And I'm all ears for ideas on how Kenotis could be improved upon
Ey, my write-in worked! Sort of!
>>3815315I think in this case that a Rift Slash would probably have killed him.Alberich (and the players) isn't actually trying to kill Matsuda though, so it's not really a great course of action.We did almost kill Medusa in a 1v2 while all of our stats were ranked down a parameter. Twice.>>3815321>we have good agility and skillYeah and Matsuda outclasses us in both, despite us buffing our parameters.And he could counter our "fuck you I win" magic that worked brilliantly on Achilles AND Medusa despite having E rank Magic Resistance.Maybe training as a Servant did have some impact on his stats?Remember when Alberich had EotM (B) and Agility (A) for like 20 minutes before being nerfed to C and B at the very start of Awakening?Good times.We can always just manifest an imaginary number knife to throw at him. "It's technically attacking, you never really specified how you wanted me to go about doing that."
>>3815348>We can always just manifest an imaginary number knife to throw at him. "It's technically attacking, you never really specified how you wanted me to go about doing that."Matsuda: (I'll bait Alberich into attacking me so he loses his unbreakable defense advantage) Hey Alberich, you are a coward for not attacking me.A: [starts throwing IN confeti at Matsuda's face while giving him the smugest grin possible].M: Heh... [MOTHERFUCKEEEEEEEEEER]
>>3815366>Imaginary Number Beach Ball>Imaginary Number Frisbee>Imaginary Number Boomerang
Honestly I'm not even sure if the invulnerability armour is worth it if Alberich is just going to wander out into an obvious trap without even putting his fucking armour on or taking his sword out.
>>3815232>In one motion, it slices through each black and red tendril, seeming almost to dissolve them in the blade's reflected light. No, it does dissolve them!confirmed houtendearg>>3815315I want to say it only counters magecraft, because blocking instant-kill attacks is far too much for a reusable passive effect.
>>3815090Here.Matsuda, why can't you just lose you damn idiot?
>>3815417Very nice, thanks.
>>3815417Make the orange portion and the hair white. Then it will be complete.
>>3815387Reminds me of a certain someone...>>3815348Figures he wouldn't be fucking pathetic. Sweets really did take him in the absolute Sasaki Kojiro direction. This is gonna be a toughie.>>3815233>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)In recent news, a swordsman lacks the range to attack a spearman. More on this shocking development later....
>>3815233>>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)Add in shit talk about that yakuza pride
>>3815233>>[ ] Keep up a defensive stance. He seems reluctant to attack you for some reason, and if you can draw the battle out Kōrakuhime will have time to finish with the dead man's compatriots. (Self-Preservation)
>>3815559We do have the range though.We just for some reason made the shadow tendrils a completely obvious direct attack and completely ruined any element of surprise with them. Considering we could have had them stealthily crawl along the floor and surrond him.Our other ranged attack would instantly kill him.Basically, we need to punch the shit out of Matsuda because Heilig will just cut straight through him and any attempt to parry.We should probably use our ribbons again to try and seize the spear from him and just start punching him if the distance is closed.
>>3816105>we could have had them stealthily crawl along the floor and surround him.This is the kind of critical detail that needs to be written down, if you're doing a write-in strategy.
>>3816119Huh.Well, at least it's established that the spear cuts through magecraft. >no WisUp
>>3815233>[ ] If Matsuda thinks the time you spent learning to control Nothingness was wasted, you'll prove him wrong. Keep attacking from a distance and bury him if you have to! (Pride/Self-Preservation)
>>3816119Would it have worked though?It's a shame it likely won't work now, given that we've lost the imaginary element of surprise. Guess we gotta make out write-ins as detailed as possible.
While I would still prefer to get Maid Alter those two possible dead ends we have avoided in this encounter really highlights that we in dire need of Instinct skill to mitigate our Pride and Compassion urges we have accumulated.
>>3816267Alberich has entered Jobbertown.Any advantage he has will now be mitigated by bad choices on his part.Eye of the Mind is worthless, I guess.
>>3816296>alberich starts jobbing the moment he meets matsudaThat guy has Knight Tactics, I can sense it.
>>3816338I'm getting that feeling from him too.That's why making the opening move is probably a bad idea.Unless the opening move is a rift slash. That's just an "I win lol".I also kind of want to avoid hindering his fighting ability by slashing his weapon in half.Targeting his spear with (actually hidden this time) tendrils and yanking it from his grasp while we feign a charge might work.Then we can bind him at our leisure.Or just punch the shit out of him.
>>3816338>>3816358Considering that his human persona was natural born fighter he might also have Instinct so pure cheap shots might not work. His reaction to our tendrils was not unlike how Saber fought us.
>>3816386>His reaction to our tendrils was not unlike how Saber fought us.Saber's reaction was PTSD, but Matsuda was just disappointed that we wouldn't give him a fair fight.
>>3816392He can fuck himself with his "fair fight" shit.Pragmatism over honor.He was going to let us be backstabbed and tried killing us when we weren't armed.This retard doesn't deserve anything even close to a fair fight.The only reason he isn't dead is because Alberich doesn't want to kill him.
>>3816386His reaction to our tendrils was him reacting to an obvious attack. Doesn't really suggest Instinct.
>>3816402Anon, who hurt you? Why must you be so angry?
>>3816511But that's not the argument anon used.>Considering that his human persona was natural born fighter he might also have Instinct>>3816386Speaking of, Mind's Eye (False) is more likely.
>>3816560>Who hurt you?Not who and more what. And the 'what' is Alberich's jobbing.Also I'm prepared to be salty about Matsuda getting far better personal skills and Noble Phantasms than Alberich did.I mean, sure, Alberich's NPs on paper are excellent but in reality they just get countered by everything ever. >>3816580Yeah, him getting Instinct is doubtful if he's gone the Sasaki Route.
>>3816598>NPs on paper are excellent but in reality they just get countered by everything ever. That's like every NP ever except for the damn excaliblast
People keep complaining about our op abilities getting countered constantly like that isn't 90% of Fate fights.
>>3816598>Also I'm prepared to be salty about Matsuda getting far better personal skills and Noble Phantasms than Alberich did.Holy shit, it's Korakuhime all over again. This is someone who got the least power from Akeldama out of the 3 of you and has such low stats that everyone was talking about how he got shafted a minute ago. Now you don't want him to have skills, either? As for jobbing, I don't know what to tell you. Would you enjoy it if every fight were a walkover and the quest wrapped up in the next two threads? I had the impression that danger to the protagonist was something people liked about this quest.
>>3816693Well, I don't mind if he can keep up with us a little. That makes it a challenge, and there's no fun without a little challenge.
>>3816693Anon is just mad he doesn't get to instantly "liberate" his "brother" ezpz. I, for one, am happy we get a good fight here.
>>3816693I personally think it just side effect of system you have chosen, Sweets.With Dead Ends we are destined to win. Like a normal VN. And we get to see what-if alongside Zelretch. We just chose preferable ending with our actions. So most of bad choices results in sudden demise of Alberich. A lot of time justifiably so given the circumstances and this being Fate.With dice rolls (RIP) it would have been 1 against Matsuda`s attack with DC being lets say 12. So Alberich ends up being majorly wounded and so it goes. The only ones to blame are anons who did the rolls. The dynamic is totally different.So I do find more narrative focused style better for feel of original VN you are going for, Sweets. But despite write-in being a thing it does feel like we have a bit less control when it comes to our options in fight and how they goes.
>>3816693Hey now, I'm only joking around really, I don't really mind about Matsuda being competent. Nor did I really mind about Kourakuhime's pre-nerf stats.The only issue I really have is walking into what could have been (and was) a trap way too carelessly.>>3816668Gae Bolg.Where it only failed because of plot armour and has an extra nuke mode.It's still one of the most busted pointy sticks around even with everything else added after it.Excalibur gets wrecked by Ea anyway.
behold the asstastic design choices of judas
I'm looking forward to seeing what Matsuda can do anyway. I also can't wait to be able to spar again.
>>3816693On another note, much of the Kōrakuhime salt was because of the preconcieved notions of the anons. Thinking that Alberich's power was rooted in his actual achievements, rather than the achievements merely serving as a sort of cast for his power to be made with. Knowing what we know know about the hero-making process, it's absurd to be mad about Matsuda's abilities. Particularly because even as a mortal man, we knew him to be a badass!
>>3816793Where did you find a tiger that color?
>>3816984Nobody is mad anon.It was a joke.Also weren't you calling him weak earlier?
>>3817165What would a tiger be doing in space?
>>3817018His non-speed stats are pathethic of course. Limited experience has proven he has skills and at least one noble which cover for this.>It was just a jokePowerlevels have been a major issue throughout the quest, and have seemed to be a major point of contention/agony for both the players and sweets.
>>3817176>seemed to be a major point of contention/agony for both the players and sweetsA shame that Kourakuhime was nerfed because of that stupid spergeout over Luck of all fucking things. Matsuda could be a very powerful Servant if he can train his parameters to be higher.I'm glad our siblings aren't worthless.Now I would appreciate if Kourakuhime actually doesn't lose to a bunch of humans. Speaking of whom, she could also be very dangerous if she trained her parameters just a bit.
>>3817206>A shame that Kourakuhime was nerfed because of that stupid spergeout over Luck of all fucking things. Meh, gratuitous As/A+s are always and forever bad. They're for meme-tier servants like Achilles and Gilgamesh, not any geek off the street. In retrospect, both the Alberich and Kōrakuhime nerfs were good policy.>Kōrakuhime and Alberich doing magick sparring>Alberich and Matsuda doing actual sparring>Kōrakuhime and Matsuda doing magic v physical sparringReally activates my almonds.
It's hard to strike a balance between being a superpowered magical being and having a challenge. I'm not a big fan of how our abilities are made next to useless against all of our enemies but it's hard to make a blade that's supposed to cut through everything not be overpowered.
>>3817254>I'm not a big fan of how our abilities are made next to useless Do you feel that EotM(T) and Kenótis get memed often? As I see it, Kenótis always comes in clutch and EotM only fails when we, the playerbase, make irredeemable decisions. Heiligöffnungschwert gets keked, but such is the life of all weapon NPs that aren't excalibur, EA, or Archer of Akeldama's gat.
>>3817263>the life of all weapon NPs that aren't excalibur>ExcaliburA jobber sword for a jobber king. Excalibur fails quite often.>>3817243The Kourakuhime nerfs were really pointless though.I think anons were just butthurt that she was luckier than Alberich and that her NP was one + better than Heilig. >>3817263I mean, this whole situation is EotM (T) getting memed on, but whatever. STILL HAVEN'T SUMMONED ANYTHING THOUGH.
>>3817283Excalibur also always wins in the end. It is the blade of plot, the will of Type-Moon. >Really pointlessAbsolutely, but appearances do matter sometimes. Character design is a slippery slope, and if sweets gets lax we may yet see a latter-day Arjuna in part three.>This whole situationExperience had yet go inform us that anyone could properly resist the tendrils, so now we know. Alberich doesn't operate like the shadow, creeping underfoot and being a general loser.>Still haven't summoned anything yetReminds me of the good old phasing days.
>>3817305What route are we continuing on from?Oh right.The route where it loses.
>>3817305Difference is that Pre-nerf Alberich would be absolutely crushing everyone at this stage.A+ Agility and EotM: B would style all over True Saber.Pre-nerf Kourakuhime, literally nothing changes.
>>3817243You are the guy that complained about Tsubaki's luck when appeared, aren't you?Look at this from my point of view: Ogawara was a useless NEET with a rich but shitty family and a boring life, then he got isekai'd into a magical war in which everyone was supposed to die except the winner, with heroes from the past, FUCKING MAGES and endless ways for a mundane basement dweller to die. A few minutes after entering two shadows almost kill him, but he only got knocked unconscious, and BY ABSOLUTE CHANCE, he was found and rescued by one of the most competent and non murdery people around. Said person got powers and a Top Tier servant of the Caster class. This Servant found a huge, luxurious place to stay and fortified it so they would be safe, which allowed him to spend almost all of said war cooking, eating good food, sleeping in a comfortable bed and watching memes on the internet. Then he got free superpowers and became the ONEET we know and love (most of the time). She spent a few days eating families without any consequences, no wait THERE WERE CONSEQUENCES BUT SOMEONE SOLVED ALL OF HER PROBLEMS AGAIN. Her Akeldama savior found her, treated her like a member of his family, gave her a decent house where she could sleep all day and spent 24/7 figthing heroes to the death and solving all of her possible problems. In all of this oddisey, she got hurt twice: First time when she fainted during the shadow warriors incident, second time when his brother accidentaly hurted her while thinking about killing Artoria (oh, yes, SHE ACTUALLY ENJOYED THAT). This fucking turbopervert oneet is sooooo fortunate without a reason that having A+ Luck was totally justified. Remember this is only my opinion.
>>3817368Damn, that's tough to contend with. >>3817329I'd argue that Saber Alter and the dark side of Excalibur don't count for "having the will of the authors", but point taken. The chain is broken, all hail Alberich.
>>3817368She still has A+ luck though. She had A++ luck.Still totally justified considering all of her wishes were granted with nearly 0 effort on her part.
>>3817386My bad, I deleted a + in the A++. You are forgetting something: Those weren't her wishes (maybe having a proper family, but she only vaguely formulated it in her subconscious mind), reality literally crafted some wishes so she could have them granted (Yes, that's the level of bullshit her luck reaches).
>>3817403The closest she's ever had to hardship was waking up in a burning city.She survived that for longer than some magi did despite being physically useless before managing to be found by the eventual winner of the war.Her luck is ridiculous.Meanwhile, Matsuda and his boys had already been found by skeletons. Rushorou almost got killed by a collapsing building.
>>3817431Yumigawa GOT killed by a collapsing building... guys, we've been jobbing since we found her, do you think she sucks our luck?
>>3817534Considering that the luck sapping was somebody else, probably not.Either Assassin or Circe.
>>3817534>>3817554If anything, she's more likely to give you extra luck, since she has so much.
>>3817587Our very own Good Luck Charm.
>>3817587Aaaaaaaw, she loves us.>>3817616Congrats, now I can't stop thinking about Korakuhime as a chivi key chain.
>>3817805>Chibi TsubakiThis is, as the kids say, Kawaiii
"Come on and kill me, come at me if you've got the courage, you're like a broken record, Matsuda." You may be boiling mad, but you have the sense to tamp it down and put on a condescending smile instead. After seeing the way he dealt with your magic, the apprehension of a counterattack you felt before has become a certainty. "As I said, I don't intend to rush at you. You'll have to come at me, if you want to make this a melee. Otherwise, I don't mind seeing how long it takes for my magic to break your guard."A vein pulses in Matsuda's forehead, and he snarls, "Alright, ya brought this on yaself!" Then he takes off like a shot, going straight from a casual, formless posture to movement so fast you can barely keep up. The black robe and gold ornamentation blurs into a glittering streak in the shadowed street, preceded by that white blade that shines like an icy fragment of moonlight.You can barely keep up with him, yes, but you can keep up with him. Matsuda is coming in straight, aiming for a thrust to skewer you at the neck, sliding his blade through the narrow gap between helmet and cuirass, where only fabric protects you. It's a well-spotted opening, but the perfect vulnerability of the place also makes it easy to counter, and with the sword you wield one parry will relive Matsuda of his weapon. As he rushes in to meet you, you step forward and bring Heiligöffnungschwert down in a cut that will meet Matsuda's spear-point and split the blade in two.Then he's gone. As your blade cleaves the open air, you realize in a split second that Matsuda read your parry and slid to your right, ducking under your field of view and smoothly changing course without losing momentum. You turn to follow him, but as you bring your right foot down to stop and pivot, Matsuda sweeps a low kick under the hem of Kenótis, knocking you off balance. It isn't enough to make you stumble, but it delays your turn just long enough for Matsuda to get behind you. There's a line of fire across the back of your neck, and you realize too late that your helmet has a seam at the back as well. You're feeling the death blow that parts head from body, but even as it hits home you don't give up, still turning to catch your accursed attacker in your vision once again. In that moment, inspiration strikes: your cloak is flaring out behind you from the rotation!"Kenótis!"
As you shout, you feel curious loss of weight that comes when the fabric becomes a portal, and at the same time Matsuda's presence behind you, along with the blade in your neck, retreats. Finally, after what seems an eternity though you know it to have been no more than a fraction of a second, you complete your turn and catch sight of your own blood, crimson in the moonlight. Matsuda stands about five paces from you, back in an easygoing, arrogant delinquent's slouch, his weapon resting casually against his shoulder. One of the crescent blades is decorated with your blood, purely shining steel no longer. Matsuda's legs, though, bear testament to the fact that it hasn't gone all his way. There's a pair of cleanly sliced slits in his black silk trousers, and through them you can see two shallow cuts in Matsuda's shins, slowly oozing blood."Neat weapon ya got there," he says cheerily. The animosity he was showing towards you seems to have faded strangely, after the first exchange of blows. "That's that thing yer witch made for ya, isn't it? Really took me by surprise!""I'll be happy to give you more surprises than that if you persist in facing me, Matsuda," you growl. Unlike his, your rage has only been inflamed by the wound on your neck, and it's taking all the restraint you have not to charge the impudent bastard this instant. Still, you hold yourself back. You want to give him one more chance to abandon his course of treachery. "You needn't go on serving the Church. Return to my side, Matsuda, and I'm certain we can find a way to free you from whatever magic is binding you; and find you another source of energy. Don't you realize that there's no purpose in this battle?"Matsuda's grin disappears, and he sighs irritably. "Ya just don't get it, do ya kaichou? You're too damn focused on yer goals. Didn't I tell ya why I was fightin' back in that gym?""Because you enjoyed it," you answer, "but you also told me that you didn't enjoy it anymore; that you only kept going because your only path to a future lay in joining the yakuza. Don't you realized that's changed? With the power of Servants, with the Holy Grail, we can-""I'm enjoyin' it now, asshole!" Matsuda cuts you off with a furious shout. "What I told ya was true, then. I wasn't gettin' any satisfaction outta fightin' anymore, wasn't gettin' stronger; I'd hit my limit. But now, everythin's changed. A fight ta tha death's more thrillin' than high-school brawlin' ever was, and I'm finally gettin' stronger again! I've been trainin' 24/7 with these church bastards, without ever needin' ta rest or sleep, and I've been pickin' up new techniques as fast as you did with those gloves o' yours! Now, we're gonna have a real proper fight, and there's nothin' you can say ta talk me outta that. Get it?"Status Updated
It's certain now that there will be no resolution to this save by force, and given the wound Matsuda's left you with, that suits you well enough. No-one could claim you haven't done your duty as a leader to bring him back into the fold. There's nothing for it now but to take him down, and relish in breaking his smug pride in his skill.>[ ] Overwhelm Matsuda from a distance with magic. There must be a limit to how much of your Nothingness he can burn away, and you don't want to risk your neck again. (Self-Preservation)>[ ] Keep on the defensive, but lay a trap this time. Fill the shadows at your feet with tendrils of Nothingness, to immobilize Matsuda when he strikes. (Pride)>[ ] If you want to beat Matsuda, you'll have to do something he doesn't expect. Take the initiative by attacking, and when he reads your swordplay strike with your fists. (Duty)>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
>>3817864>[ ] If you want to beat Matsuda, you'll have to do something he doesn't expect. Take the initiative by attacking, and when he reads your swordplay strike with your fists. (Duty)This could go really badly, but I simply must. >That stat sheetOH MY GOD WHY THE FUCK IS MATSUDA SO COOL, this is your best work yet sweets
>>3817864>[ ] Do something else (Write in): Make use of EoTM to read Matsuda as you rush into take him on with swordplay. Having tendrils of Nothingness fill the shadow at your feet to strike out along side your blade for an overwhelming assault to bring your brother down quickly(Pride/Duty)Fine then. If he wants a fight then let's give him a fight
>>3817864>[ ] If you want to beat Matsuda, you'll have to do something he doesn't expect. Take the initiative by attacking, and when he reads your swordplay strike with your fists. (Duty)What kind of a swordsman punches?