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>>3842423 (OP)

DAY 0

Impact of Fragment 4

DAY 1

Foreman arrives. 2 work teams arrive. Sec team arrives. Drones arrive.

Gap Generator testing. First casualty. Locust bodies recovered.

Possible Council teleconference. (You are here)

DAY 2

Airstrike scheduled

Autopsy completed scheduled for completion

Possible Council teleconference.

DAY 3

Armored train arrives

Medical team arrives

Possible Council teleconference.

DAY 4

Giant speaker arrives

Tissue sample analysis scheduled for completion

Possible Council teleconference.

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Rules: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.Quest2Rules.html
Datalinks: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.Quest2Datalinks.html
Timeline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BlMOSEOxSihj1gdagq7yxCjONaRBgcdlRxnc68uWf0A

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Pending decisions:

You need to decide what the shift limit for people who choose to work for you using VR rather than regular computer interfaces is.

# Leave it to 8 hours, citing health concerns

# Acquiesce to Aki's request and bump it up to 12 hours

# Compromise on 10 hours

More importantly:

You have collected under your official or unofficial control the Peacekeepers (Nicolae Carpatescu's global defense initiative), a large section of the economy, and the entire internet. The Peacekeepers have just surrendered to the coalition you built, and are preparing what's left of their airforce to launch an air strike on the Fragment 4 landing site.

# End the day

# Call a teleconference of the regional potentates, since you want to press your advantage.

#Compromise on 10 hours

#Call a teleconference of the regional Potentates, since you want to press your advantage

>>3842433
# Leave it to 8 hours, citing health concerns plus 10 hours on the weekend.

Also, improve the Computer interfaces.

# Leave it to 8 hours, people used to it can extend with special requests if they really must.

>>3842433
# Compromise on 10 hours

# Call a teleconference of the regional potentates, since you want to press your advantage.

>>3842433

# End the day

>>3842433
>You need to decide what the shift limit for people who choose to work for you using VR rather than regular computer interfaces is.
-# Compromise on 10 hours

>>3842433
>The Peacekeepers have just surrendered to the coalition you built, and are preparing what's left of their airforce to launch an air strike on the Fragment 4 landing site.
-#Call a teleconference of the regional potentates, since you want to press your advantage.

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You decide that when you get back you'll raise the limit from 8 hours to 10, as long as a break is taken in the middle. Trying to enforce that by locking the hardware would be absurd, since your sysadmins designed the setup in the first place and it'd take them minutes to bypass any lock, so you decide to put them on the honor system and occasionally check power usage (your VR rigs are genuinely cool, but also expensive and power hungry).


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More importantly, you have a conference call to make.

Terry April and Abdurrhaman Wahid do not answer; Folgore didn't tell you where they were, so at this point they're dead, in hiding, or still locked up somewhere in Baghdad or New Babylon that the soldiers did not know about, which means dead given how dire the supply situation over there was.

The address you gave is tagged to be used for wartime emergencies, and the Peacekeepers standing down, and Fragment 4 showing signs of life, definitely count; everyone else answers.

One of the few orders that Folgore was able to get through globally was that to rip out CellSol pylons; the infrastructure has sustained some damage, which you will need to deal with. The conference will take place by voice and text, you cannot afford video.

Other than the regional potentates and the agency heads (most of which are alive; McLachlan is in Baikonur), you also add to the conference (Pick 1 or more)

# The prime minister of Israel.

# Gideon Vega.

# Pontifex Mathews.

# Whoever at the Trib Force base is listening.

# Dr. Robertson.

# None of the above.

You'll be setting the agenda, clearly -- you control most of the internet, what's left of the Peacekeepers and their still-sizeable arsenal, and a significant portion of the economy.

The first thing you'll do is share a bit of data about the locusts, should they swarm out -- you don't know much yet, but they are vulnerable to heat and electricity, and their neurotoxin is painful but not lethal, so that's a useful starting point.

You decide to share with them the knowledge that (Pick 1 or more)

# You have Carpatescu in custody.

# You have Fortunato in custody.

# Folgore is dead and the Peacekeepers are under your control.

# None of the above.

and then set the first item on the agenda, which is

# electing a new leader, and deciding what their responsibilities will be.

# redistributing territory.

# winding down the Peacekeeper and replacing them with a different style of setup

# sorting out where the Ecumenical Council sits in all this

# admit that Tsion's prophecies check out at least some of the time, and deciding on a common policy about them

# write in.

>>3842552
# The prime minister of Israel.

Israel was a party in this war and we can't deny them the right to sit at the peace table and, even if they can't dictate terms, at least sit there to show solidarity or leave to show displeasure.

# Gideon Vega.

This guy is here solely so we can give him some tiny amount of land, legalise his tournaments and generally put him into a reasonable position where he is somewhat of a utility without negatively impacting us or the region hopefully.

# Pontifex Mathews.

Here solely so we can drop the bomb about him planning to betray Carpy boy and to takeover the world government, call for the executive council to strip the Ecumenical Council of their vote and leave them as a roughly Agency level position as well as replacing him obviously. Might also be good to get rid of the Morale Monitors too while we're at it, just so we have one less force of spies to worry about.

# Dr. Robertson.

Here representing the scientific community and to expand on any science shit as needed. He's famous, respected and loyal. Just what we need to have on our side.


# You have Fortunato in custody.

He is a valuable bargaining chip who we can afford to trade for something, assuming we can get him life imprisonment rather than death.

# Folgore is dead and the Peacekeepers are under your control.

This shows how strong our position is and ensures we can make demands as wanted or needed to the council without someone asking "you and who's army", since I doubt Santiago would like us borrowing hers again.


# redistributing territory.

Fact is the Peacekeepers are fundamentally an okay-ish idea, the Ecumenicals can be dealt with later in the meeting and opening up with Tsion is probably a bad move. Electing new leaders is nice but that should be left until after we know what and where they'd be ruling. Thus we must decide who gets what of where and ensure we get a nice fat slice of land for ourselves, preferably spread all over the globe to ensure we can make maximum use of it as military basing in addition to economic construction.

# G Vega

We are contracting his services to handle the issues in South East Asia with the Warlords and will be granted probationary jurisdiction of a small region of Polynesia.

# Israeli Prime Minister

# Dr. Robertson - He's an agency head now, right?

# Trib Force

>Pontifex Matthews
-We need to walk on eggshells with this issue.

I propose formerly charging him for conspiracy and pushing that he be replaced by his deputy until he can be formerly charged.

Keep Enigma Babylon but nix the Morale Monitors.
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#You have Fortunato in custody

Bargaining chip.

# Fulgore is dead and the peacekeepers are under your control (We won't discuss how)

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#Winding down the Peacekeepers and replacing them with a different style of setup

I say keep them around, but there needs to be some changes made.


#Redistributing Territory

# Admit that Tsion's Prophecies check out at least some of the time and deciding on a common policy about them

We're not giving credibility to the man, and will present the contradictory evidence as needed. Instead, we should push that CATS be granted a new Mandate to investigate the enigma.

# The prime minister of Israel.

Israel was a party in this war and we can't deny them the right to sit at the peace table and, even if they can't dictate terms, at least sit there to show solidarity or leave to show displeasure.

# Gideon Vega.

This guy is here solely so we can give him some tiny amount of land, legalise his tournaments and generally put him into a reasonable position where he is somewhat of a utility without negatively impacting us or the region hopefully.

# Pontifex Mathews.

Here solely so we can drop the bomb about him planning to betray Carpy boy and to takeover the world government, call for the executive council to strip the Ecumenical Council of their vote and leave them as a roughly Agency level position as well as replacing him obviously. Might also be good to get rid of the Morale Monitors too while we're at it, just so we have one less force of spies to worry about.

# Dr. Robertson.

Here representing the scientific community and to expand on any science shit as needed. He's famous, respected and loyal. Just what we need to have on our side.


# You have Fortunato in custody.

He is a valuable bargaining chip who we can afford to trade for something, assuming we can get him life imprisonment rather than death.

# Folgore is dead and the Peacekeepers are under your control.

This shows how strong our position is and ensures we can make demands as wanted or needed to the council without someone asking "you and who's army", since I doubt Santiago would like us borrowing hers again.

#declaring emergency to deal with the prophecy. We need to come to a global agreement that this is happening and that it needs to be stopped. Whether there is a God or this just shows that Revelations was a giant fucking TAUNT sent to us by aliens, who cares. What's in front of us is aliens.

Let's kick some alien ass and if it turns out to be god he'll come with a pre-kicked ass.

>>3842552
# Gideon Vega.
# The prime minister of Israel.
# Dr. Robertson.
# Pontifex Mathews.

Fuck the trip force and thier stupid name too.

# Folgore is dead and the Peacekeepers are under your control.
# You have Fortunato in custody.

Agenda in this order:

# admit that Tsion's prophecies check out at least some of the time, and deciding on a common policy about them
# redistributing territory.
# winding down the Peacekeeper and replacing them with a different style of setup
# sorting out where the Ecumenical Council sits in all this
# electing a new leader, and deciding what their responsibilities will be.

>>3842552
# The prime minister of Israel.
# Dr. Robertson.

# You have Fortunato in custody.

# winding down the Peacekeeper and replacing them with a different style of setup

# sorting out where the Ecumenical Council sits in all this

Shit I misread the post.

#Winding down the peacekeepers as first agenda.

>>3842586
>>3842616
>>3842637
>>3842634

You put Gideon Vega and Ehud Brog on, as well as Pontifex Mathews, who insists on calling for a benediction before the meeting. On hearing that Mathews is on the call, whoever is at the Tribulation Force warehouse hangs up, but stays in the text chat. Their loss, you figure.

"This is a wartime emergency number. It should be deactivated, now that-"

"Chairman Yang, I'm in a forward observation post three kilometers away from the Akhenaten-4 impact site. It was the best way to get a hold of everyone. We can decide on a permanent hotline later."

"That's entirely fair, Foreman. You will be glad to know that Peacekeeper activity in Greater China has come to a stop, their bases have been surrounded by the people's army, and-"

"Yes, there's a ceasefire, Chairman. I ordered it. As of 18 hours ago, Bruno Folgore is dead. CATS is in temporary control of Peacekeeper personnel and materiel. I have ordered the entirety of the Peacekeeper air force to strike the F4 impact site starting tomorrow at dawn, so do not be alarmed about unusual air traffic. The Peacekeepers are now going to get a chance to do the job they were intended to do, defending humanity as a whole."

"We did not vote on this! Wouldn't Supreme Commander Fortunato-"

"Commissioner Lal, Fortunato launched a nuclear strike on my home. You were there when he called it. You helped disarm him! I think we can agree that he should be indicted?"

"That will take weeks! There's no procedure for it."

"Then he'll stay in custody. I will release him as soon as this Council has an impeachment procedure mapped out."

"... You killed Folgore and captured Fortunato?"

"That's correct. I invite each of you to take a moment to realize the amount of power I currently hold. You will be pleased to know that a significant percentage of that power is scheduled to go down what Rabbi Ben-Judah calls a bottomless pit, but for now..."

"Foreman, I protest! This is nothing short of a coup!"

"Pontifex, a soft coup was that which you tried by suborning the Morale Monitors and turning them into your network of spies against all who are in this call."

"You have no right to-"

You turn his mic off for a moment. "I said I would not censor the internet, and I won't. But the only rights Mathews has as far as I am concerned, is to remain silent and call a lawyer."

"- council meeting in person!"

"That's great, Peter, we're all happy to hear it. And it'll happen as soon as we've dealt with the ALIEN BUGS IN OUR MIDST!"

"Foreman, for some of us it's three in the morning, you can't expect us to..."

You let people argue back and forth for a bit.

"Listen! First item on the agenda is: The Foreman of CATS has too much power. He wishes to wind down the Peacekeepers and replace them with something that will work better against the real threat."

A few seconds of genuine stunned silence.

And thus, you reject the temptation of empire.

It's 1 AM and I have college, so here's what I want from these peace talks:

1) We change the number of kingdoms; I'm thinking of dissolving the SEA (between us (New Zealand + Australia), Vega (???) and Yang (???)) and UK (between us (Greenland and Iceland, Faroe islands too) and Gustav (UK(+Ireland assuming we can't get it for ourselves))) since their leaders are MIA / KIA and we can. Don't know what to do with the Middle east, work that one out for yourselves.

2) Getting rid of our team cap and making our budget pass over between quarters. Also being able to engage like a company in the world market, just to screw with Dimmsdale's attempts to screw with our Nomenklator system sales.

3) Getting our PMC to be something CATS can have officially alongside military equipment and shit.

4) A vote on the Council like any other Potenate since we represent CATS, BOCHICA and the remaining Peacekeepers currently.

5) Also additional regions I'd like to secure but consider a lower priority: Cuba (talk Dimmsdale into it on the basis they're all commies, surely he doesn't want to have to deal with them?); Hawaii (since I think it's part of the SEA not US and controlling it would be nice); Japan; any additional islands we can get like the ones in the Indian Potenate's control since they'd be nice. Also the North / South poles since no one should be bidding for them but we can probably make use of them at some point for Thule style cities that don't care about the cold.


I know this is a lot to suggest / ask but I'm honestly expecting only a bit of 1 / 5, so long as we get Greenland and Iceland I think we can manage but additional land is nice. 4 isn't critical but would be nice, 3 is a excellent thing but 2 is the most important since it secures us the ability to expand our numbers greatly.

I have to go now, best of luck.

>>3842677
The Foreman really is the best. Secret ending, we make every moral choice, resist all temptation and become turboJesus.

>>3842683
>Paranoid-san
Living up to your name aren't you?

Mathews says something in Latin, to which Gustav replies in the same language. "I was the archbishop of Cincinnati, sir, give me some credit."

Apparently the city's name comes from a Roman general who was offered supreme power and rejected it.

The text chat is full of secondary discussions between potentates -- right now Santiago and Dimmsdale are trying to talk the others into supporting her or him for Mexico -- but when you talk, people pay attention.

"In many ways, the internet is its own culture, with its own laws and customs. If the Ecumenical Council has a vote on the Council, so do we. For administrative decisions I'm planning to have committee of internet pioneers hold that vote in the same way that the EC votes internally on how to use its vote right now. We shall discuss CATS' budget later."

"For now, I move that the Peacekeepers be wound down. There are a lot of decent men and women who only turned to banditry because they had skipped one meal too many -- that is not acceptable. At the same time, territorial guards should be spun up accordingly."

That gets no argument from anybody, except oddly enough Yang. Your proposal is that the proportion of force between any one territorial army and the Peacekeepers be increased from roughly 1:20 to

# 1:10, the PKs shall be as strong as all the combined territorial forces, but no more.

# 1:5

# 1:2

# 1:1, the PKs shall be as strong as any one territorial force.

You continue noting that your plan for the Peacekeepers is to put under their mandate defense against existential threats to humanity. "We need a global defense initiative. We need a global defense initiative that will actually take initiative in defending the globe, and not allow itself to be slaved to the whims of a Fortunato or a Folgore... or a Foreman, if you wish."

Yang interrupts, and says that he intends to secede. "The people of Greater China believe that they would function better in a global economy, if their traditions and dynamism both were not held in place by a global political structure."

# Now when you say Greater China's traditions, do you also mean Indochina? Japan? Tibet? Let's talk to them directly, yes? Mr. Vega, your opinion, please.

# Chairman, please, protocol - you'll get your turn to talk.

Really should let not vega in there, we should speak to him in private 1 on 1.

Shouldn't show him a place at the high table with kings, when he is a mere thug.

Its not even a good deal, he won't make or research things that will benefit us or evolve the tech in a way we want.

The blood sports should be a open secret rather than announced from the top of the world political stage.

Anything Vega makes will be to empower him. All we're doing is empowering a wanabe supervillan warlord.

We should not publicly associate ourselves with him.

>>3842699
# 1:10, the PKs shall be as strong as all the combined territorial forces, but no more.

Where is the 1:20 option?

# Chairman, please, protocol - you'll get your turn to talk.

# Now when you say Greater China's traditions, do you also mean Indochina? Japan? Tibet? Let's talk to them directly, yes?

Vietnam, Cambodia, Mongolia, Hong Kong, Taiwan. All places that want to not be under Chinese Suzerainty in our timeline.

>>3842699
># 1:10, the PKs shall be as strong as all the combined territorial forces, but no more.
Lift restrictions about regional air power of course. Before Yellowstone that was the one thing PK force could use like a gun to the head of most regions.

# Now when you say Greater China's traditions, do you also mean Indochina? Japan? Tibet? Let's talk to them directly, yes? Mr. Vega, your opinion, please.

>>3842683

How about this:

We push for CATS to become a Defense Organization similar to UNDRR. In exchange for relinquishing control of the Peacekeepers, we request the ability to run a modest PMC for combating threats to CATS new Mandate:

Investigating the current enigma threatening our planet.

We'll still do IT work because we do such a good job at it.

However, in lieu of countries (which will require administrating Civilians) I would suggest we push for control of infrastructure such as factories, bases, etc. that will operate under CATS jurisdiction (similar to the concept of an embassy).


# Now when you say Greater China's traditions, do you also mean Indochina? Japan? Tibet? Let's talk to them directly, yes?

Lets not get Vega involved directly here. I have an idea of what to do with him.

>>3842715
Naw, we keep it vague and put CATS under the GDI or something.

>>3842715
Are you suggesting we control ALL infrastructure or just what we build be given over to us completely?

Not all infrastructure. Rather our current assets (HQs, Factories, etc.) as well as permission to set up future bases within the Potentates territories.

We also retain custody of the IT infrastructure and BOCHICA.

>>3842724
>>3842715
I'd say what we build, and internet related stuff.

Annex a few regions like Greenland and maybe Iceland. Falkan Islands, and Timor or something. Maybe Hong Kong.

Also how is this for resolving Mexico; give the UK to Dimmsdale and Mexico to Santiago. A united anglosphere. Well, almost united since Australia is just fucking Australia.

>>3842734
I am alright with us taking Iceland. No one seemed to give a damn about it anyway. As for the Falkland, we would need to ask Santiago. Same with other potentiates. But I like the Idea of us having a small territory near each landmass under CATS jurisdiction, for logistical purposes if nothing more.

Rolled 7, 9, 3, 7, 6, 6, 5, 1, 4, 6 = 54 (10d10)

You quickly skim the text chat.

Santiago and Dimmsdale are both wanting support for who gets to keep Mexico, the former citing a common language and culture, the latter geography and economics.

Yang wishes to secede, and effectively eat up the northern part of Wahid's territory.

Gustav wants to return Greenland to Dimmsdale, or leave it to you, and put the UK and Iceland back into the European Union.

Zakharov is interested in Greenland.

Litwala has no demands, really; he just wants to avoid a return to single nation-states, since that would effectively start yet another global war -- it would certainly start one in Africa -- and this time killing any one person would not stop it.

Chloe, or whoever's typing over there, wants to know why the playing pretend, since once Carpatescu returns this is going to be all moot anyway. Also, would like to address the assembly by voice once it's time to discuss external threats; you have not allowed it, and don't have to if you don't want to.

Mathews wants assurances that he will not be "mixed in" with the likes of Folgore, and has been generally told to shut up lest he make things worse, after protesting that the Morale Monitor program was an idea of Fortunato's (it wasn't; it was actually Carpatescu's idea).

Vega is inquiring as to what happened to Wahid, not wanting to propose himself as a replacement just yet.

Carla is mostly asking accurate casualty figures from everyone, because when the politics is over, SOMEONE is going to have to plan for the aftermath, and she needs numbers.

>>3842709

(1:20 is what exists now; you started with wanting to wind the PKs down after all)
>>3842700

Right now he's not allowed to talk; if you want to boot him, you're running things.


>>3842713
>>3842709
>>3842715

"Greater China, Chairman? Does that include Taiwan? Tibet? Vietnam? Japan? Surely you know history better than most of us, sir."

Vega asks "Bangkok?" in chat, but you leave him muted.

Yang's tone of voice does not betray anger or frustration; he's a distant second to Carpatescu at this, of course, but still a second. "I see your point, Foreman. Perhaps we should be sure that we have our own house in order. I would like to table the motion."

For now anyway...

Your proposal is simple: halve the PK' standing strength, and lift restrictions on air power. "In fact, since the PK' stock of airpower is inadequate for the climate, this lets territorial guards start with a clean slate, arguably a better footing."

Your next item is CATS' place in the hierarchy. The potentates agree that the net is in a way its own country by now, but the whole point of it is that it does not hold land, is it not? Pravin Lal is especailly against CATS holding land directly, and may want to force an up-down vote. You push for (pick one or more)

# CATS having its own territorial guard.

# CATS being able to own businesses, conduct trade, and have an independent treasury.

# Synco being deployable anywhere that wants it.

>>3842736
>>3842741
I'm not comfortable with giving UK to Dimmsdale.

As for Mexico. I think we should give Dimmsdale a chance to fix up Mexico.

>>3842747
# CATS having its own territorial guard.
We already have this, just smaller

# CATS being able to own businesses, conduct trade, and have an independent treasury.
We already do both. Just not the treasury part.

# Synco being deployable anywhere that wants it.
This will happen one way or another.

I would push for the first two.

>>3842754
Maybe remove the trade part.

>>3842754
We don't even need to bring up the second option really.

>>3842747
#CATS to form it's own PMC/ territorial guard. No restrictions on personnel size. Transfer of Greenland over to us to act as our hub. The ability to set up "embassies", extraterritorial regions, in a given region, with the potentiates support. These will be vital to the continued growth of the net. Regions who opt out should not be surprised if their populaces find them selves left in the digital dust by regions who do. Logistics, you understand. The continued ability to field syncosytems which we will rent out to the regions. We build them, we run them, you pay us. Contingent upon allowing an embassy in the region.

How is this.

>>3842769

Support!

>>3842769
Pretty good, but we need some aspect of financial independence, so maybe throw in treasury, mainly allowing our budget to carry over.

>>3842769
>>3842773
That works for me. How about pushing to let us engage in trade up to profits equaling 1/2 of our budget?

>>3842780
I say we just pretend we don't and hope no one calls it on us. We already have a bunch of shell companies and Andrews as a middle man.

This keeps Andrews useful to us and hopefully loyal.

It one of those things where, we don't ask but just do, and ask for forgiveness later if things go FUBAR.

>>3842780
>>3842785

How about we keep BOCHICA within the public domain but retain the right to sell innovations such as Nomenclature, Drones, and VR?

Rolled 7, 69, 5, 24, 37, 92, 85 = 319 (7d100)

>>3842731
>>3842724
>>3842769

That's a lot of demands, but you're in possibly the best possible spot to make them.

You're fully prepared to ask for 20 to get 10, of course... but you got to decide what to actually try to get, rather than what to ask for.

>>3842772
>>3842769

"We are going to need our own territorial guard, of course. They can deal with internet fraud, attempts by local groups to censor the net for other groups, cybercrime, and so on."

Given that you're giving up the Peacekeepers, nobody really has much to object on this one.

"Network Nodes should be extraterritorial once established."

That saves everyone a lot of headaches when it comes to cybercrime; again, no problem.

"Logistics hubs, too."

That goes over a bit less well.

The ability to set up physical embassies is contested by Dimmsdale of all people. "Shouldn't you of all people want to do this in virtual space?" Zakharov notes that he was going to propose extraterritorial academies; perhaps the two things can be combined?

You can probably force a vote on this.

"Finally, since Greenland was disputed, I move that we keep it."

That does not go well at all; having bits and pieces of land, like the Vatican or the SMOM, is one issue, but a big island? "Foreman, I feel you want to have your cake and eat it" Lal complains.

When it comes to Synco systems, everyone agrees that they are an economic boon, and will soon be a necessity for those who don't have it, but since they depend on your infrastructure, there's the question of leaving you with too much economic power.

"Since CATS would be a territory rather than an agency, why not go with a tithe system? Instead of a fixed budget, the better connected a territory is, the more it will pay." The alternative proposal comes from Litwala, who -- being the least wired -- has the most to gain.

(pick oe or more)

# Push for the full package, tithe AND fixed budget.

# Drop Greenland.

# Drop embassies.

# Drop the fixed budget and go with the tithe system.

# Drop the tithe and keep the fixed budget.

>>3842794
# Drop embassies.
# Drop the tithe and keep the fixed budget.

>>3842794

Drop Greenland if we get to keep Thule.

Drop the fixed budget.

We Civ6 Venice now.

# Drop Greenland

I think the concern is over mineral rights, such as oil, etc.

Instead if we go the Embassy route we can request Thule to serve as an HQ for our territorial guard, one that puts us in a strategic position to better serve the Northern hemisphere.

#Drop the tithe and keep the fixed budget.

>>3842805
>>3842807
We would be probably be able to keep greenland if we tried to free the missing subpotentates but we just rushed into the meeting anyways.

>>3842807
>>3842794

This works for me.

>>3842807
>>3842819
But if we do this, push that we be allowed limited economic ventures. Stuff we make goes public domain quicker would be a decent compromise.

Right. We'll keep BOCHICA open source, but be allowed to partake in economic ventures with VR and drones.

Luxuries basically. Nothing military-grade, or integral to keeping the world running.

>>3842823
I think we could push for 1 or 3.

3 if we drop greenland.

1 if we just get greenland.

>>3842807

"You will recall that CATS' decision to rehabilitate the Thule airfield was essential to keep air travel open in the Atlantic. Therefore, we'd like to keep Thule as a neutral air base. Otherwise, Commissioner Lal's point is well taken, we are different than other cultures, and do not therefore want to hold territory."

You then indicate that you are happy to stick to an agency role, with a fixed budget, for running the actual infrastructure. "Of course, we'd want to be able to hold limited copyrights, let's say for five years, and license some of our technologies rather than put everything in the public domain."

Again, people are surprised, Carla most of all.


Extraterrtoriality for logistic hubs as "embassies" after that passes easily; Zakharov says that he will propose extraterritorial academies formally later on.

And thus, you reject the temptation of riches.


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Now that this is settled, your next line item is

# Let these people talk amongst themselves, so that they can feel in control.

# Indicting Fortunato and/or Mathews.

# Territory redistribution.

# Dealing with Tsion's preaching.

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Interesting how much can get done over phone and chat, when people have a reason to settle things quickly, no?

>>3842832
# Let these people talk amongst themselves, so that they can feel in control.

# Indicting Fortunato and/or Mathews.

Man, I wanted to receive royalties for our stuff.

# Let these people talk among themselves, so they can feel in control

While they do that we can coordinate the news with our own agents and get some of their input.

Following that

#Indicting Fortunato and/or Matthews

>>3842832
Fuck, my foreman becomes TurboJesus idea is making me more nervous every round haha.

>>3842841
That works for me.

>>3842846

TurboJesus? Nah. More like a Boddhisatva of the Internet.

So I had a thought on the G. Vega question since he's a controversial addition:

In exchange for backing his bid for control of parts of Wahid's territory we put a few stipulations:

A) His appointment is on a probationary basis, subject to his success in handling the Warlord issue effectively.

B) He abstain from the drug trade. In exchange, we can offer to set up a more legitimate industry using his technology for pharmaceutical and augmentation industries.

He can still throw his Tournaments if he desires.

>>3842860
Much more palpable but still. He needs to clean up his image.

>>3842860
Hell, I'd make throwing the tournament a prerequisite. Like Moira said, shit is insane and I love it.

It would be a great PR event to show off his region's achievements in augmentations, yes.

>>3842841
>>3842836

You relinquish the (conceptual) floor, and let the regional potentates sort a number of things out by themselves. Chief of which being of course the matter of Tibet.

In the meantime, you take a moment to talk to Carla and Ikko, who you note have exchanged contact info. Carla is extremely proud of you, and tells you as much, to the point that Ikko says she's "making eye babies" at you, whatever that means. You consider that it may not be Chloe at the other end of that line.

Ikko tells you that anyone who is stung by the locusts will suffer greatly for five months, and want to die but be unable to. "You're a Christian, so you will be completely safe: make use if this when it's time to evacuate your people... you will probably have to play the hero."

"Wait, if these are supposed to be demons, wouldn't they go after Christians extra hard?" Carla asks. Ikko answers in the affirmative, but then explains that even if they'd want to, they won't be able to -- they will not be able to see those with the Sign of God. "Just shows you God can use even His enemy for His own purposes."

You're still planning on torching the whole lot, of course.

>>3842860
>>3842864

You spend a bit of time discussing matters with Vega, too. He seems to get it.

"Probationary, as in, I hire out your men to help me pacify the region, and pay for the privilege?"

He points out that Carpatescu legalized or at least decriminalized pretty much everything, and the alternative to him selling EyeCandy is not the stuff going off the street, but inferior stuff being thrown around that'll make people sicker. "Don't be naive. How do you think Zakharov got rid of krokodil, Foreman? He let Afghan poppy farmers borrow some chemists and made sure they were selling good heroin."

"Perhaps, but it's a matter of public image. Zakharov can do that because his reputation is for other things. Yours..."

Vega sees your point. "Yes, at that point it would be best that I regulate, rather than produce. Who better than me to do so anyway."

You do encourage him to expand the tournment, maybe have it every season rather than twice a year. "Again, it would help your reputation. And you'd probably get Santiago's vote."

That he agrees with. Make Bangkok a center of excellence for biotechnologies, maybe?

If Carla and Ikko could see what you're typing just one window over!

# Support his bid.

# Remain neutral.

The current notion is to give Greenland to Dimmsdale, and the UK to Gustav; having Vega in charge of the South Pacific would remove some arguments. You do know that the Japanese would prefer to exist under Dimmsdale, simply because they know where the demographics are going with China.

Indicting Fortunato is an easy sell -- he launched a nuke! -- although there's the problem of who gets to try him; indicting Mathews is a harder sell, in that on one hand everyone wants the Morale Monitor program dismantled, on the other, the man DID manage to keep religious unrest low.

>>3842881
># Support his bid.

Let Japan vote for who they would like to ally with. Yang is going way to Chairman Yang for me to ever really support that guy and that is before wanting to claim Chinese control over territories citing historical precedent. Fuck him.

Matthews should simply be "asked" to step down in exchange for dropping the issue. Francesca d"Angelo would make a fantastic and hotter replacement I think.

#Support his bid

(What IS going on in Tibet?)

>>3842881
So we just gonna let the UK guy rot and come back to nothing? Why didn't we free him first and have both the missing subpotentates in place before this? This will cause problems later on, and no we are not giving all of the UK to Gus.

Cut funding to Matthews, and minimize the MM to the point where they have to either keep religious extremist down, or spy on us.

Eventually they will be minimized to point of non existence.

>>3842892
But we don't want her to become an actual whore now do we?

>>3842881
Who's bid are we supporting? Vega?

>>3842897
Who said any thing about being a whore? And even if Francesca believes in "divine prostitution", well its not like there isn't precedent in a ton of religious traditions. She is cool in my book.

>>3842905
I mean whore of Babylon.

>>3842901

Yeah. We're supporting his bid in exchange for him cleaning up his image and creating a cybernetic paradise.

>>3842892

>Depose Matthews, yes. We still want to keep the Ecumenical Council around; It's a safeguard against a 'Unified Narrative'

Francesca d"Angelo is promising (but maybe do a bit of background research on her first).

>Yang
Maybe reach out to Yang and get his take on seeking independence.

I mean, to me it seems just the typical Chinese isolationism that has defined a lot of its history. He doesn't want to shackle China to the West like what happened with the Opium Wars.

He's just being a douche about it.

>>3842895

As far as you can tell, Terry April and Abdurrahman Wahid are dead; Folgore didn't tell you where they were, even when he was practically worshiping you.

>>3842901

Vega's bid for running Southeast Asia.

>>3842892
>>3842894

You propose that the Ecumenical Council end up in a hybrid state like CATS, with extraterritoriality for some properties (Saint Peter, the Dome of the Rock, the Hagia Sofia), a fixed budget decided by the Council, and

# get rid of Mathews, he's too scummy. Francesca can't be Pope, but she can lead the EC as neutral party between the various faiths.

# keep Mathews around, since he's got every interest to behave given that everyone has his number.


While the potentates were talking, yet another proposal for territorial redistribution emerged from it.

* Greenland to Dimmsdale
* Mexico to Santiago
* UK, Iceland and Australia to Gustav
* Eastern Europe to Zakharov
* Middle East to Lal under fiduciary administration
* Tibet and Mongolia to Yang
* Japan and Taiwan to be their own territory within Yang's region

# Support.

# Oppose.

New Babylon would remain the world capitol, and the desert south of it remain the main staging area for the Peacekeepers, with a launch site for asteroid-killers to be built there.

# Support

# Propose an alternative capitol site (write in)

>>3842915

* Greenland to Dimmsdale
Find Terry April first. Even if its just his corpse.

* Mexico to Santiago
Maybe.

* UK, Iceland and Australia to Gustav
No.

* Eastern Europe to Zakharov
Definitely no.

* Middle East to Lal under fiduciary administration
Hahaha, everyone wants more land, making land grabs. Even us. No.

* Tibet and Mongolia to Yang
Depends on Zak.

>* Japan and Taiwan to be their own territory within Yang's region
Maybe

# Propose an alternative capitol site (write in)
Antarctica.
This should really fuck the narrative.

Also would make Yang invading pointless.

>>3842913

Yang feels that if the Global Community is to have a single leader again -- even if it was himself! -- China would be better off outside of it.

"Potentate Carpatescu could come back tomorrow, and I for one would have to have words with the man. No one person should have that much power. And yes, I include myself."

>>3842915
># get rid of Mathews, he's too scummy. Francesca can't be Pope, but she can lead the EC as neutral party between the various faiths.

>>3842915
# Push for Japan and Taiwan to join the N.American territory
Dimmsdale is kinda getting the shaft here.

# Support
So the narrative calls for it to be destroyed, like twice, doesn't really matter I feel if it is the seat of power or not in that reagard and it already has good infrastructure. Maybe just push for teleconferences and moving the site for face too faces around so Zod might have more issues arraging a decapitation strike to fit in the Prophesies.

>>3842915
>While the potentates were talking, yet another proposal for territorial redistribution emerged from it.

Eh. Seems harmless enough

#Support

#Propose an alternate capitol site

New Babylon is unfortunately too tied up in prophecy.

Maybe Abu Dhabi?

>>3842931
Not if we have him keep mexico.

If the UK subpotentates is dead, then we let the UK people elect a new one.

Greenland should stay with UK

Less change of territory the better. Less headaches later on.

Leaving New Babylon as a sort of permanent World's Fair, but with no bureaucracy, is certainly an option; you could also give up trying to fix it up.

You could also push for keeping the necessary global bureaucracy decentralized and coordinating via the net, but it would be seen a bit of a power grab.

Given the necessity of good infrastructure, connectivity, and cosmopolitan culture for a world capital -- none of you has Carpatescu's charisma, which allowed him to make one out of whole cloth -- the alternative options are

# Keep New Babylon

# Bern, Switzerland.

# NYC, Eastern North America.

# Dubai, Middle East

# Rome, Western Europe

# Tokyo, Japan

# New Delhi, India

# Virtual capitol

>>3842946
South Pole, Antarctica

North Pole, Arctic
Comon, you know you want to.
Fine! # Keep New Babylon

# Bern Switzerland

Provisions:

Switzerland resume its previous status as a Neutral territory.

This is only until the emergency of Fragment 04 and what follows has been safely addressed.

>>3842946
>>3842950
I will support this.

>>3842946
>>3842950

>this good idea

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How do we know they won't stay as filthy neutrals afterwards?

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>>3842954
>>3842952
>>3842950
>>3842934
>>3842931

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYN2P3E06s

Saddling Od Gustav with hosting the global capital looks fair; it does require a significant amount of territory to go with it, simply for logistical reasons. Bern is well placed for this sort of thing, and its small size and the fierce feelings of the Swiss about how a city should be run are going to help the bureaucracy from metastasizing.

As for Mathews, the Catholic Church will have to make its own decision, but the most senior Deputy Pontiff can take over; since Mathews appointed Francesca first, she gets the position by default, with an election to be held.

Mathews agrees to step down from chairmanship of the Ecumenical Council; the Morale Monitor program will be wound down as part of Peacekeeper downsizing, with the head of Interpol having right of first refusal for MM agents who wish to remain in that line of work.

This would result in the following situation (see map also).

The Executive Council for the world would hold 8 seats, plus 2 for the Internet and the Ecumenical Council respectively. This creates the possibility of a stalemate, but given that you have sway on most of the votes (6), it should not be a particularly large concern.

Od Gustav
Douglas Dimmsdale
Corazon Santiago
Viktor Zakharov
Gideon Vega
Zenji Yang
Pravin Lal
Enoch Litwala

This leaves Vega with the only region that only has one territory, but as the most junior partner, he would have very little room to complain. It also leaves you pretty much in control of the world, at least should you ever find any issues that are worth flexing CATS' political muscles for.

It also leaves you with a lot of work to do to repair the damage Folgore did, Carla with dealing with the coming dustbowl, and oh, you're in a prefab bunker three kilometers away from the site of an insectoid alien invasion. And that's not counting the whole End Times business.

# Take it.

# Needs adjusting.

There's also the issue of what to rename the Peacekeepers... and Ikko has been hitting the buzz button nonstop.

# The Remnant can wait.

# The Remnant should be able to say a few words, why not.

# The Remnant have your attention, via text.

>>3842978
We didn't even consult the people.
This pretty much guarantees two kings down at roughly the same time.

# Needs adjusting.
Brexit Party time.

We can ask our carrier captain his opinion.

# The Remnant have your attention, via text.

What did we do with Australia?

I thought we were gibing japan and Taiwan to USA not Australia.

# Take it.

# The remnant have your attention, via text.

We've got a world to save let's stop playing civ for a minute and suplex the biblical apocalypse into the mat.

>>3842978
Isn't Bruno dead?

>>3842990
Why did we play civ in the first place?

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>>3842991

(Yes, my bad, should be a red line there)

>>3842986

(Can I have a counterproposal? I'm not sure of equivalents that the subpotentates might come up with. But see another possible map here. Feel free to edit it)


>>3842986

>>3842990

One issue is that none of the regional potentates were elected democratically; Carpatescu picked them. They may feel that a vote would undermine their own legitimacy.

# Propose territorial referendums.

# Propose a single global referendum.

# This is best solved between the existing global elite.

>>3842978
This is fine.
# Take it.
# The Remnant should be able to say a few words, why not.

# Needs Adjusting.

By which we need to discuss the issue of Tsion Ben Judah.

Here is what I'm proposing:

A) Ensure the Remnant and Orthodox Jews will retain Religious Freedom even though they choose to abstain from the Ecumenical Council. Emphasize that despite the actions of a few bad apples, Remnant like Ikko have played a role in Relief Efforts.

B) Leave the jurisdiction of the Two Witnesses to the Israelis. (We can coordinate with the Prime Minister later on the topic of dealing with them.)


# This is best solved between the existing global elite.

We've got an emergency to deal with.

>>3842997
># Propose territorial referendums.
To be done in 4 years time. I.E. after God's ass is kicked.

>>3842978
I'd say Keep UK Yellow.

Maybe have Australian and and New Zealand and a few nearby islands be their own region.

How did Gus willingly give yup half of Europe?

This is Eastern Europe, they don't like Russians.

Middle east except for southern Europe and parts of Africa should stay by itself under special military administration and quarantine.

>>3842997
What happened to Joriji? I don't recall killing him, just carting him off to Greenland Gulag.

# Propose territorial referendums.

>>3843000
This works too.

>>3842997
# Propose a single global referendum.

# This is best solved between the existing global elite.

Not sure what these options would do.

>>3842999

That's probably what Ikko wants to talk about.

Oddly enough, the Israeli Prime Minister has answered a few questions, and even asked a couple, but has yet to express an opinion.

>>3843001

Jorji is alive; his negative "bonus" is gone however.

>>3843007

You are currently talking to the global elite, trying to sort this out. A global referendum would mean that the new system, the old system, and optionally the pre-Carpatescu system of individual countries are brought to the people as proposals, and then voted on, and whichever option wins is kept, as long as there is a quorum.

>>3843001

That's feasible, but who would rule that region then?

>>3842997
>Scandinavia under Russian rule
Bizarro World alright.

Did satellite coverage numbers drop to coincide with coverage?

"MCP".

Unless you mean UK. Who was Terry Aprils Second in command?

Maybe Ikko wants to be oppressed?

>>3843014
Do the Australians want to be under American rule?

The Egyptians If I recall managed to join Middle East.

If we can't restore the UK then we may as well give Dimmsdale Greenland.

Can we ask the PK where they last saw the two missing subpotentates? Maybe search bunker and military bases?

>>3843019
>Ikko wants to be oppressed

Christian girls have usually been freak in the bed in my experience so I won't put it past her.

Well I've returned and I'm kinda disappointed at what anons decided to grab:

>"We are going to need our own territorial guard, of course. They can deal with internet fraud, attempts by local groups to censor the net for other groups, cybercrime, and so on."
This is good. We need our troops and legalising / officiating them means we can better supply them with shit like planes and actual naval support produced in Thule.

>"Network Nodes should be extraterritorial once established."
Honestly I've little opinion about this but given no one resisted it seems perfectly acceptable.

>"Logistics hubs, too."
I've little opinion about this too yet I have to say that since it was causing an issue and we are already going to have a physical embassy everywhere in the world from the previous Network Node resolution, I'd prefer that we'd got Greenland than this.

>Flat budget like an agency.
I think that we'd be much better off if we went with the percentile tithe system rather than a flat budget since I can promise you our own budget would've greatly grown as we developed the world economy while meaning we would have had actual land to do with as we wish which would have secured us an income entirely independent of the World Council.

Admittedly, so long as they won't oppose us creating additional Thule style CATS controlled city-states that are considered extraterritorial I can accept this as a compromise.

>>3843186
>I think that we'd be much better off if we went with the percentile tithe system rather than a flat budget
Sure can do. A tithe (tenth) system off of 10% of one's net (total) income, would be absolutely more effective than our current economy.
My guild of roboticists currently has a tithe (tenth) system off of 10% net income, and they're absolutely okay with it. They actually prefer sticking with my guild of roboticists (metal golemists) since it has better wages than other organizations.

>>3842978
# Needs adjusting.

I've made my displeasure with the current deal clear, not sure if this vote has already passed but just in case I want to see if I can't convince my fellows that we should rework the deal to do at least some of what I'd like.

# The Remnant should be able to say a few words, why not.

Might as well.

>>3843186
So us refusing tithes passes. By doing so we refused the temptation of riches, for what it is worth. We can patent things instead for additional cash and do limited market ventures.
>>3843203
What needs a vote is the territorial referendums as per:
>>3842997
If you have an opinion.

Rolled 42 (1d100)

>>3843019
>>3843203
>>3843187

You had an inkling that allowing territories to be redefined would bring in a lot of bickering, but that can of worms is now open, and it's not going to be closed any time soon; your internal polling data says that United Britian States citizens are split roughly fifty-fifty on accorpating with the European States. You're more concerned with the can of worms that broke open when it fell from space.

"The Ecumenical Council will structure itself however it wishes, but much like agency shops, faith organizations who choose to remain outside the EC should be granted the same rights as faith organizations that are within it."

"Hold on a minute" Mathews complains "that creates a pretty serious free-rider problem."

"It would, if it wasn't for the fact that the UN declaration of human rights already enshrines that right. I just want it to be made explicit. The Roman Empire granted religious freedom as long as worship of the emperor was included, and look at the chaos that this little caveat wrought upon it. Besides, Remnant workers have assisted with the relief effort in both recent conflicts. Mr. Mathews, are you able to put Mrs. D'Angelo on?"

"No."

You got her contact info a few months ago - a war ago - and with any luck... yes, it's pinging. She texts you that she'd have loved to show you Italy; you answer that you hope it's still possible with her new responsibilities. She doesn't understand, and you explain quickly, before adding her to a chat with Mathews -- the handover of the Ecumenical Council chairmanship happens in a series of hurried text messages, with no formality.

"That's fine, I got it. Mr. Brog, I apologize for the suddenness of this, but are you able to raise a fiduciary representative for the Orthodox Jews?"

"I'll attempt to, but in the meantime, please proceed."

Part of the reason why nobody is objecting to religious issues being discussed right now is that it gives them more time to do territorial maneuvering in the text chat; you're logging the whole thing, so it suits you fine.

And thus, you reject the temptation of spiritual power. It's funny in a way that it will be two women who try to sort out where the Remnant stands.

"Thank you. I am Francesca d'Angelo, acting chair for the Ecumenical Council."

"I am Chloe Steele, and... Look, this is a little above my pay grade, if you want to talk to our spiritual leader, I can wake him up-"

"This is a contract negotiation, not a theological debate, sister Chloe. The faith I follow is tiny in congregation size, certainly much smaller than the Christian Remnant. I speak now on behalf of an administrative body intended to promote tolerance and learning, not of any one faith. I'm not a spiritual leader -- Stregheria doesn't even have those!"

Chloe clears her throat. Even if the regional potentates aren't listening, millions of people who will hear the transcript one day will. It's a unique opportunity to spread her message... or to go off script.

>>3843229
Hahahhah, so she really was a witch! This is amazing.

>>3842997
# This is best solved between the existing global elite.

>>3843228
>So us refusing tithes passes. By doing so we refused the temptation of riches, for what it is worth. We can patent things instead for additional cash and do limited market ventures.
True and as nice as it is to resist the temptation of riches, I must admit that I want them so we can fund the ever loving shit out of anti-god science and stuff. Still, I suppose we can make it work so long as they give us our old budget back, if we're being allowed to stockpile our budget .

That doesn't change the fact I want land or at least the promise that we can create CATS ran city-states that will be treated as extraterritorial / separately sovereign and would outright prefer to be given regions to control. Plus I'm about 40% sure we would've resisted the temptation of riches by choosing only tithes or a flat budget and you know as well as I do that one of those is bigger than the other.

Oh well guess we can leave those sorts of wants until after we've defeated god, since at that point we're in the clear and can do what we want to create a new world order. Though I suppose at that point there is nothing stopping us just colonising the moon and claiming that since CATS took it first, it's CATS land.

>If you have an opinion.
I'll vote on that sure but I hope you can understand me when I say that I'd like to get some details from OP about how one or two factors of these deals are going to play out, although I am aware that the deals aren't settled yet. I would also add that I don't care for Dimmsdale getting both Greenland and Japan and would prefer he only get one of the two if any.

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>>3843229

(lol 42)

"We are not sisters unless you choose to be my sister in Christ. But, uh, thank you. I'm not a big public speaker, so if you'd like to go first, Mrs. D'Angelo, while I collect my thoughts."

Francesca readily agrees; her introduction says that she's only the acting chair of the Ecumenical Council, that there will be an election as soon as a conclave can be called, and that the Catholic Church is the largest body within the EC but has no special privileges so they will have to decide how to deal with the accusations against Mathews by canon law while he is indicted or not by civil law depending on what the regional potentates tell the head of Interpol to do about it.

In the meantime, Chloe is messaging you frantically.

> I can't do this! It's four in the morning!
) I think we're all running on fumes here.
> Buck is with Chaim, my dad is flying, Tsion is still recovering, none of the other people here are qualified...
) And so it's on you. Buck or Tsion would turn it into yet another altar call.
> I think an altar call is what all of these people need. All who can must repent, the time is shorter every day.
) Is that what you think, or is that what you think you ought to think? What will an altar call do with this particular audience?
> Probably nothing.
) What will getting a good deal with the EC do for the Remnant?
> Also probably nothing. Enigma Babylon's time is even shorter -- they have less than a year to go.
) Could you use that long of operating fully in the open?
> Of course. We could move to Petra in an organized fashion, make sure people are safe for the coming persecution...
) There you go then.
> Foreman, why is this happening now? Why wasn't this foretold?

You wish you had time to get rid of the immutables in her brain, same as you were able to with Santiago or Zakharov. But hers are not the blunt blind spots planted by Carpatescu; they're more insidious and, you have to admit to yourself, they may exist in your head rather than hers. Your answer has to be brief.

# I'm not a Christian, Ikko. Sorry I lied. This wasn't foretold because I am trying to break the script.

# It wasn't foretold because we as human beings have a duty to use our God given brains. This is a matter of management, not faith. Time to trust your head, not your heart.

# I don't know why it's happening now, but I know that it is. We are called to do what we can, here, now. God may have called down Apollyon but my duty is still to prevent people from getting hurt.

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>>3843234

(Ask away if you need details! In fact here's a blank map if you want to do a counterproposal just use the fill tool on mspaint or similar!)

>>3843236
>Ask away if you need details
One: our Logistics Hubs and Network Nodes are both counted as extra-territorial: does this mean we can turn them all into Thule style cities now that ,a, don't have to do it covertly since we're a known power, b, can hold territory, c, have the authority / power to be allowed to do it? Does this mean we can build two such city states per actual region on the map? Would we be able to tax any commerce that occurs within these regions? Do they project any sorts of extended border around them?

Two: does our budget carry over between months? If so, can we also get a heads up if we are going to get our old or new budget? E,g 35 or 20 Bn to work with.

Three: Assuming 1 is held to be true, if a region was to be totally unpopulated for some reason (e,g the Yellowstone afflicted area, certain small islands, Antarctica) would we be able to construct additional facilities there? Could we do the same in, for example, regions not officially held by any SubPotenate to gain land? Would this work for non-earth holdings too?

Four: Assuming 1 is only held to be partially true, e,g we need the Potenate's permission, I have two questions; what will happen to Thule and more importantly would Litwala, Santiago and Vega allow us to set up such facilities throughout their land?

Five: Why does no one seem to realise the only reason we are currently not all held captive is the fact that we were in a position of power; that if we hadn't been doing all the shit we did that we'd currently be absolutely fucked and therefore they should be giving us our already fairly reasonable demands for saving them from being prisoners as their regions were ass fucked by Folgore's goons?

# It wasn't foretold because we as human beings have a duty to use our God given brains. This is a matter of management, not faith. Time to trust your head, not your heart.

>>3843240

1) CATS installations are now fully extra territorial. Technically that extends to the half square meter that a CellSol pylon takes up on the ground.

2) It does now; you are your own territory, which has its own treasury. Nobody had any room to complain on that.

3) You'd still have to get the land from the current sovereign (See Greenland, basically). Thule is nice because you got a wide bit of real estate, enough to build a city in. Non-earth holdings belong to whoever gets the fuck there first, really; you may have to either coordinate with McLachlan there, or even beat him to it.

4) Thule is yours, it gets grandfathered in regardless.

5) The subpotentates do realize this, but they are, after all, politicians, so they will try to get the best agreement they can (If you've ever had the displeasure of sitting in on an appropriations committee: it sounds like frickin divorce settlements, people arguing in front of a $400/hr lawyer for who gets $20 of groceries currently in the fridge). They're also smart enough to see that your control of the Peacekeepers will slip eventually.

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>>3843244
>1) CATS installations are now fully extra territorial. Technically that extends to the half square meter that a CellSol pylon takes up on the ground.
Good to know.

>2) It does now; you are your own territory, which has its own treasury. Nobody had any room to complain on that.
Just wanted to be certain. Has our team cap been lifted too?

>3) You'd still have to get the land from the current sovereign (See Greenland, basically). Thule is nice because you got a wide bit of real estate, enough to build a city in. Non-earth holdings belong to whoever gets the fuck there first, really; you may have to either coordinate with McLachlan there, or even beat him to it.
Do we have any idea how much they'd charge per km square of real estate?

>5) The subpotentates do realize this, but they are, after all, politicians, so they will try to get the best agreement they can (If you've ever had the displeasure of sitting in on an appropriations committee: it sounds like frickin divorce settlements, people arguing in front of a $400/hr lawyer for who gets $20 of groceries currently in the fridge). They're also smart enough to see that your control of the Peacekeepers will slip eventually.
Absolute pricks, I'm almost tempted to do a full and proper write-in stripping them all down and reminding them that without us they'd be prisoners of war in a world where everyone is oppressed by a drugged out warlord's army, with a literal nazi at the head of it all and even ignoring that they'd be stuck under the mind control of a missing dictator.

We are the sole reason that there was a victory: we got them out of New Babylon, we got them out of the Middle east, we helped win the war and prevented the Peacekeepers taking advantage of the economy, their numbers or more or less anything else. Hell we've neutralised their leadership and subverted them without firing a single shot. We are also the only people with a practical defence against the Frag 4 bugs and yet they think it wise to piss us off?

Why can't the peace ever be easy: why can't people just give us what we want and need (see map for the wants and needs, would take Australia but I'd rather put that in Vega's hands just so we aren't seen taking anywhere near as much and just construct citystates in it where we can mine, refine and produce shit while he keeps the rest as lawless wastes since that should if anything attract the civilian population to join us).

(Looking at the maps, I have a proposalas well. Just a sec)

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>>3843247
> Why can't the peace ever be easy: why can't
I'm going for magical realism here, is politics ever easy? :)

>>3843243

)It wasn't foretold because we as human beings have a duty to use our God given brains. This is a matter of management, not faith. Time to trust your head, not your heart.
> Thank you, Foreman. I needed that.

"... and this is why the Ecumenical Council will, I believe, keep the open invitation open."

Chloe clears her throat.

"I get it, Francesca. But this is not a matter of winning the argument for us, it's a matter of winning souls. Look around you - the prophecies in Revelation are happening. You're on a railroad crossing and there's a trolley coming and it's going to run you over, and we're trying to pull you to safety, and you're telling us that you will allow us to touch you, but no shoving!"

"I'm not trying to tell you what to believe, Chloe, why are you trying to tell me? I don't see your trolley, and in fact I can see the trees behind it."

"I'm not telling you what to believe, I'm telling you how to stay alive! Can't you just listen?"

"I have been listening, Chloe. Can you? Or is it then true that your people just want to preach?"

There's a moment of silence, even as people keep negotiating what will happen to Cuba or New Zealand or even the part of Turkey you're in.

"... That's fair, Francesca. I should listen."

"We're basically already giving you what you want. Preach all you like. Call us some amorphous New Age blob rather than a group of traditions who are agreeing to disagree in a civil fashion, if you must. Only - stop claiming persecution! What more do you want than what you're already getting?"

"We will be persecuted. It is written, and it will happen!"

"By us?"

"Carpatescu will force your council to worship him, and kill us for refusing to."

"Chloe, that's how the Roman Empire used to work. This is the year 2000. And Carpatescu never claimed to be divine or even an emperor."

"He will."

"I've read Revelation, Chloe.."

"Then why can't you believe it! Read it with your heart, not-" Chloe stops herself. Maybe she'll heed your advice. "You're right, Francesca. I can't make you believe what you don't want to. So let's negotiate. What guarantees do we have that you will not persecute us?"

"You can have my word of honor or that of any of our senior leaders, you can address the EC general assembly into adding to our bylaws that we will not target non-member faiths in any way, and frankly, we don't have the political or military or police power. I can see how Mathews building up a secret police would be scary. That scares me, too! I'm a witch. The Church -- Catholics and Protestants -- used to burn people like me at the stake! It happened to an ancestor of mine! And you come to me worried about persecution! Can't you see that I get it a lot better than I want to?"

"... Yes, I do."

# Let them talk.

# Also offer guarantees.

The potentates' dealings have slowed; they're listening.

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So he is what I'd propose:

In exchange for giving up Peacekeepers we'll set up CATS extraterritorial infrastructure in key bases.

>Extraterritorial Bases (Yellow)
In particular I'm looking at Okinawa and Havana for Eastern and Western Hemispheres, as well as our site on Antarctica.

>Vega (Green Yellow)
Vega does NOT get Australia and New Zealand. We'll establish a strike base to 'assist with maintaining IT' based off our experiences in Africa... and to do bio-engineering SCIENCE

>Australia, New Zealand, UK, and Iceland

Since these territories have lost a Potentate, I think the citizens should hold elections as to what territory they want to belong to (or work towards building another commonwealth).

Gustav can keep Greenland so he can deal with the Politics of landownership, while we keep Thule (and maybe work on expanding some territory for testing purposes) while Vega will get Polynesia to address the Warlord issue.

>UNDRR

I move that New Babylon be granted to UNDRR for the duration of the current emergency with Zod.

(We seriously need to discuss this with them at some point... Maybe once we've gotten an official policy towards the prophecies. Keep Ikko out of it though)

Note: I didn't mark all of our current holdings, the Yellow marks are just key areas worth mentioning.

#Also offer guarantees

>>3843247

Yes, the team cap and budget carryover restrictions are gone. At this point nobody would dare object.

The main issue is that what most potentates aren't sure about is whether CATS wants to be a semi-independent power, or a global agency.

They were hoping to use Mathews having gotten busted to identify the Ecumenical Council as just another global agency, tasked to keep fostering religious tolerance, and are only agreeing to give CATS some sort of best-of-both-worlds status because, quite simply, right this minute you can take out any one of them with relative ease and nobody wants to be first.

They have little choice in the matter, but the more mixed messages you send, the more they'll give away now because they have to, and the more they'll resent you for it later when they can.

>>3843264

The advantage of that proposal is that it does not look like a land grab on your part, and is overall equitable in land and resource distribution. The disadvantage is that Yang and Dimmsdale are going to be on a very short fuse over Japan. Having some sort of British commonwealth going, minus Canada, is feasible but who would head it?

Carla is happy to take New Babylon and possibly Baghdad under fiduciary administration until the places have been cleaned up, but does not want to say "this land is ours" for the simple reason that it would undermine her credibility as the head of a global agency; if she had territory to administer and protect, it would become too easy in the case of another global catastrophe for the other potentates to say that she's playing favorites, and that can only escalate tensions.

If you are proposing that UNDRR also become a hybrid entity, it's borderline feasible, but she'd like to talk to you about it in private first... possibly after F4 is dealt with.

>>3843262
>I'm going for magical realism here, is politics ever easy? :)
When you control the internet and one of the largest armies out there even if only short term? Generally yes.

# Also offer guarantees.

"CATS already gave you an agreement to not shove you off the internet and we stand by that. We aren't interested in oppressing people whenever our stated goal is to work to their benefit: fact is we've got enough money and power already for our own wants and needs so we're quite content to work to lift everyone up to our level rather than dragging others down."

>>3843264
Okay I've a few questions:

Firstly why is Gustav getting Iceland and Greenland when he has expressed no interest in Greenland.

Secondly why do you think that those regions should hold a vote given it's already been stated that no Potentate is in favour of setting a democratic precedent for future leader selection / weakening their own position by being a non-democratically elected official.

Third, why not give Vega all of SEA and then use our extraterritorial base thing to turn it into a series of massive city states under our control while he nominally controls most of the continent, saving us having to negotiate that entire region into our hands? That way we can get large portions of his land off him later in return for mass producing some cybernetics and sharing our advances with him since as the time-of-prophecy approaches it'll be more important to him to have his men at peak performance than to try to recruit more since they'd take time to train.

>>3843264
>>3843247

WHO THE FUCK CARES? We're here to stop the apocalypse not take over the world. We control the whole internet in the year 2000 by 2019 we damn well rule the world too. Imagine having one guy run Google and Twitter and Facebook and Amazon at the same time. That's basically us already. As long as people let us build factories and network that's all we need.

Now if the idea here is to go back to having countries (even mega countries) because it fucks up prophecy then I am 100% for it.

But if the idea is to figure out if a guy from Texas gets to be the emperor of Japan or not then I don't care and if I can do a bit of meta gaming I don't think the QM does either.

>>3843276

Exactly!!! we already control the economy if these people want a territory to be blue or red on a map who cares. Most of these guys already work for us and we are just being too polite to remind them. The only people we have no control on is Indian guy and Chinese guy (the kings of the east? does it count?) and they have a lot of people but not a lot of GDP and only 2 votes out of 7 or 8 anyway.

Lets make sure WE don't become the Antichrist.


>>3842990

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>>3843272
>Yes, the team cap and budget carryover restrictions are gone. At this point nobody would dare object.
Good good.

>The main issue is that what most potentates aren't sure about is whether CATS wants to be a semi-independent power, or a global agency.
I mean the East India Company was technically a holding of the British government yet it did operate almost entirely independently for decades: it too was involved in trade, war, politics, business, industry and even to a limited degree science, even if it was mostly limited to the profitable and deadly kinds.

CATS is, was and will be the same and yet it will be the same as ever because we have always acted in this way: we've always been a part of the economy with our Nomenklators; we've always been a part of science; we've always been a part of politics and war since Africa or arguably since the moment we got an alliance with Santiago; all we are doing is saying that we plan on doing it more officially.

I've got a few ideas for compromises like us taking a reduced amount of income from taxes and sending the rest to the rest of the globe if that'll encourage them to agree or breaking CATS into multiple sub-organisations under the CATS banner which we still control but should therefore make it clearer as to where our money is going and shit.

>They have little choice in the matter, but the more mixed messages you send, the more they'll give away now because they have to, and the more they'll resent you for it later when they can.
To be fair, if we show the benefits of granting us this mixed status, will they calm down and treat us more fairly? If we make allowances and give them gifts would they tolerate it more?

>>3843277
>WHO THE FUCK CARES?
I do since this determines a lot of the end game, since a CATS that is still an Agency is much less influential on humanities future than a CATS like I am suggesting. Equally well, if you agree that this is a case of who cares and that they're too weak to stop us, why not support the plan that strengthens CATS greatly?

>>3843276
>>3843265

You interrupt Chloe and Francesca. "We gave guarantees to the Remnant that their Internet presence would not be censored, and we've stuck to it. We aren't interested in persecuting or oppressing anyone -- we have enough resources for our own wants and needs, so we're quite happy to work to lift everyone, as was our original mandate."

Yang looks at the map. "Then why are you making a land grab, Foreman? You started off saying that you didn't want to rule, but what I see here is-"

Santiago interjects. "That's the next item on the agenda, Chairman Yang. Now, Chloe, was it? Are there Remnant churches in the lands I defend?"

"Yes, there's house churches, and..."

"Have they been persecuted? Were they not given help in rebuilding after the F3 tidal wave -- which you, yourself, blame on your own God and no others?"

"We're not blaming God for it! He's..." Chloe clears her throat. "No, we haven't, and yes, we got housing assistance."

"Then my guarantee is that we will keep doing what we have done."

Dimmsdale pipes up. "I'm not much of the churchy type myself, both of y'all ladies, but nobody's infringing your right to go to church on my watch! I like my bells on Sunday, it's traditional."

Od Gustav agrees with at least the last statement. "This has been the first time in history that we've managed to not have a religious war. Christians are a major contributor to our cultural wealth, whatever the denomination."

Lal sounds genuinely puzzled -- he's good at that. "Abrahamic faiths have a tradition just as rich as any other in our region. Why would we persecute them?"

Zakharov's tone is definitely less conciliatory. "It's no secret that I am an atheist until proven otherwise. If the Remnant wish to worship a meteor, like the Muslims do, it's no business of mine. My guarantee against persecution is that I disdain every faith equally -- but as long as people think, they have a natural right to think wrong."

Chloe doesn't answer immediately. "I... What if Carpatescu says-"

"Carpatescu is not here!" Yang almost shouts. "Let's stop being afraid of a phantom. He is either gone for good, or if he is not, he will have to live with the consequences of having left, when he returns. At this point, even if he returns, he cannot dictate any more than any of us can." To you it's both encouraging and puzzling that it's the Chinese subpotentate saying so -- either Carpatescu's mesmerism has an expiration date, or he practices what he preaches when it comes to mental discipline.

"I think we will have to discuss this, but... speaking for the Tribulation Force as its coordinator, and not the whole Remnant... I thank you, accept that you are wanting to be sincere, and accept your guarantees - oh hold on a minute, Tsion's awake!"

There's some noise on Chloe's microphone

# and that's all there is because you don't want Tsion to get involved, so you hang up on them, at least for now.

# and you're going to have to give him some airtime.

# and that's all there is because you don't want Tsion to get involved, so you hang up on them, at least for now.

NOPE.

>UNDRR

UNDRR would be curators of the city until the crisis has been addressed.

Also are we NOT going to discuss the six-legged, scorpion tailed elephant in the room? T.T

We keep talking politics, yet what I reeeally want to push is that CATS mandate include addressing the 'Alien Threat' in an official capacity - Not through an army but through tech research and deployment.

Our tech stopped Carpatescu's mind control and thwarted the Witnesses. Our coordination with GCASA and UNDRR tackled Akhenatten. If anyone is best equipped to handle the weird shit its us.

Let us do the SCIENCE people!

>>3843284

True, but the East India Company operated in an environment in which both nation-states and empires existed. This is an environment that, under Carpatescu, was trying to move towards a unified world; even the subpotentate system was intended to be a temporary measure. Carpatescu did admit to you that his interest was in having the subpotentates lose relevance and eventually just preside over each area's cultural quirks as the economy got truly globalized.

Of course, that system itself has a lot of problems, one of which being that it fits the Remnant narrative.

>>3843284

At this moment you are the single most powerful player -- but you've also shown that if the subpotentates can work together they can take on the world government as Carpatescu has left it. Of course, everyone is angling for concessions.

>>3843277 is right in that you currently are in control of enough of the culture and the economy that shaping the future is going to be relatively easy; you've even demonstrated that you do a better job at space exploration than the global space agency.

If you don't like capitalism, for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

>>3843302

Wanting to officially change your mandate is definitely a thing you can bring up; right now, the discussion between the subpotentates is mired in territorial disputes, so moving the discussion away may be useful. You can always close the conference call once you got what you want; they'll call you back, you can be sure of that, but not for a few days.

>>3843292
>Yang looks at the map. "Then why are you making a land grab, Foreman? You started off saying that you didn't want to rule, but what I see here is-"
"I said we had enough wealth and power for our -own- wants and needs: for example, we've been developing advanced VR technology for example without is being a focus of our organisation because we, as a group of people, want to pursue that technology because it's amazing to us and we love it. Another would be the investments we've made over the last few years in stuff purely for our staff or their families.

What we don't have however is enough for everything CATS is seemingly in a position to help with: the UNDRR needs help stopping the incoming potential famine; McLachlan needs help preparing for the next wave of meteors; we want to establish bio-diversity reserves to ensure that rare species don't die should things continue to get more screwed on planet earth; we want to develop more advanced disaster defence methods to supply the UNDRR;; we want to advance human understanding and then use it to solve problems; we want to generally build a better future and for all of that? We need more than we can currently get from our budget and our efforts.

Hell that isn't even mentioning the aliens that just crashed who we recently discovered we have a method of combating, one only we know how to produce, or...well we'll discuss the final major thing CATS has been dealing with later in the meeting after everything else is settled since I'd rather not do it with Ikko listening since she doesn't like it when I talk about trying to avert the apocalypse."

# and you're going to have to give him some airtime.

"Oh how I wish I had popcorn..."

>>3843302
We'll get to it don't worry. Also do you think that my Yang write-in is a good thing to dissuade them from thinking this is a power play? Cause it's entirely honest in the fact I just really think we need all the stuff we're asking for to ensure final victory without significant loss of life.

>>3843302
>We keep talking politics, yet what I reeeally want to push is that CATS mandate include addressing the 'Alien Threat' in an official capacity - Not through an army but through tech research and deployment.
Sure thing. I bought a Yoshi amiibo, he'll be our cooperative (co-op) partner, teammate, and comrade.

>>3843302
>Let us do the SCIENCE people!
Yoshi will handle the science department, I can show some photos of the science department if you want.

>>3843305
>True, but the East India Company operated in an environment in which both nation-states and empires existed. This is an environment that, under Carpatescu, was trying to move towards a unified world; even the subpotentate system was intended to be a temporary measure.
True but my point was that a similar organisation to what we shall be / intend to be has existed in past.

>At this moment you are the single most powerful player -- but you've also shown that if the subpotentates can work together they can take on the world government as Carpatescu has left it. Of course, everyone is angling for concessions.
To be fair they won because we helped, we could probably win again by having the BOCHICA systems helping the Peacekeepers rather than fighting against them but it would be far bloodier and far slower.

>>3843310

(OK, you keep promising a writeup... I get that this is all for fun, so if you don't end up delivering one it's fine, but at this point yes, I do want to see some photos, because maybe it will help me understand what you go on about. I think you're going somewhere with your posts, but I can't tell what: maybe visual aids will help)

>>3843308

(That's an interesting replay, I'll use it if it gets a second!)

>>3843311

(You have a lot of air force preparing to launch and hit Turkey. If you want them to spread out and hit regional capitols instead, Africa, Russia, China and India are in range, and Europe is one hop away).

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>>3843316
>(OK, you keep promising a writeup... I get that this is all for fun, so if you don't end up delivering one it's fine, but at this point yes, I do want to see some photos, because maybe it will help me understand what you go on about. I think you're going somewhere with your posts, but I can't tell what: maybe visual aids will help)
Here's a photo of my Yoshi amiibo. It's a stuffed animal with a microprocessor stuffed up its butt. It's a robot (metal golem), stuffed animal, and co-worker.
Attached image is a light-blue, Yoshi from the video-game franchise "Yoshi's Yarn." I bought it from the store and had it imported to my house all the way from Japan. He's a fantastic friend, and is one of my best friends.

Once we've got Turbo Jesus bagged and stuffed into a crate alongside the Ark of the Covenant, we can work towards that aim. But that's for later.

Proposal:

We throw our bid for a change in mandate to include Research & Development of technology to address the 'Extra Terrestrial Threat' coordinating with UNDRR, GCASA and Robertsons Atomic Agency.

We can work Fr. Schorpe's research into an official Think Tank designed to study the effects of narrative causality.

>>3843316
>(That's an interesting replay, I'll use it if it gets a second!)
I'd hope so, I mean I honestly ran out of reasons to justify us needing this and I do genuinely believe that this is needed.

Fact is CATS is seemingly the only organisation in the world sometimes that seems to be making an effort. Plus it's not like I don't plan on delivering the Council progress reports on CATS's work over the coming months given I want to show just how good our organisation is and that they should trust us as well as the fact that I'll want to be sharing CATS results in certain areas with them to ensure everyone adopts them.

Long term, I'm thinking we form a council within CATS with us acting as the Executive and them the legislature like a mini-version of the current Council. That should create a image of openness / power-decentralisation among our fellow Global Council members and encourage them to think of CATS as a non-threat while still keeping control relatively in our hands. Fact is though we'd stack the Council in our favour just by the fact our organisation generally loves us and understands why we do what we do.

That and also pointing out that CATS has in past focused primarily on "the good of humanity" in broad terms: relatively speaking we're damn near perfect as far as a "government organisation attempting to stop the end of the world by any means possible" could be. Especially when you consider we could've just declared ourselves a dictatorship a few months back and been done with it. Hell point that out to them even and make the point that we don't want absolute power nor do we want anyone else to have it. We just want to do good.

>(You have a lot of air force preparing to launch and hit Turkey. If you want them to spread out and hit regional capitols instead, Africa, Russia, China and India are in range, and Europe is one hop away).
Nah, that'd be a dick move.

>>3843320
I'd argue my write-in gets us just such a mandate, by basically saying "we plan on doing literally everything we can to ensure human survival in the next few years, just trust us to do it and give us the shit we think we need to do it".

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We can call the think tank the Narrative Application Program or NAP. As in a cat nap. =D

....

I'll see myself out.

>>3843326
>I'll see myself out.
No, don't leave anon, we need the PUNS!

>>3843324

Yeah I agree. I'll second your Write In.

>>3843326

(I think I will go with that if there are no objections)

>>3843319

(That's a cute plushie. I'm very sure however that it has a NFC tag in it, not a microcontroller. Also, it has no moving parts, so it's not a robot. On that note, I find it hilarious that the various IRL Rapture and End Times nuts are generally saying that NFC/RFID tags are not the "mark of the beast"... because it would be too obvious! Example: http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/mark-of-beast-rfid-technology.html )

>>3843320
>>3843311

You figure that if you're to be functional for the next morning, you can't be talking politics all night.

# Move for redefining CATS', UNDRR and GCASA mandate to include dealing with extraterrestrial threats.

# Make a territorial counterproposal.

>>3843296
>>3843308

(Anyone wanting to tie break on whether to keep Chloe in the call?)

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>>3843331
>On that note, I find it hilarious that the various IRL Rapture and End Times nuts are generally saying that NFC/RFID tags are not the "mark of the beast"... because it would be too obvious!
That's correct. Here's a photo of one of my assets at work. I play as a Live-Action Roleplayer (LARPer) in real life in the form of video games. These video games are then preedetermined based on how well they follow real-life combat conditions into relative values. I play them every day, and have been doing so for nearly my entire life.

Here's one asset: my premium (bought-with-real money) freebie gifted by the developers for all new players. I plan on buying more premium (real-money or tournament money) tanks on the United States of America (U. S. of A.) faction, as I represent the US of A (USA).
I am one of the public tournament players, not a private ---- secret ---- one, and represent the USA in our own little microcosm of the Cold War 2. This is how the USA prevents war with the Russian Federation, as we ally as tournament players and comrades. I am enlisted in the civilian military as a militia, military exercise professional. I use my earnings to help my friends, family, and comrades out. This photo of my freebie tank is valuable to me, but I will eventually empty it out to make space for other tanks.
I am the "Rookie_Zombiegam" listed on the top-middle of the screenshot. I will change my video game tag to something else once I become more experienced in this video game called "War Thunder". If you would like me, you are more thank welcome to join me, "Rookie_Zombiegam" (((((((I'll change the name eventually))))))).

>>3843331
# Make a territorial counterproposal.

I already posted my map of wanted regions, all in purple or listed by name

II am specifically willing to drop Ireland or more if needed as well as willing to enter discussion with each Potenate to discuss getting it off them: offering nuclear tech / fuel to Zakharov for those islands north of Japan as well as his support in getting the rest of the Council on-board; offering Litwala that wedge of the middle east or perhaps a bit more in return for his islands off Madagascar; offering that slice of Turkey to Gustav in return for Iceland and Greenland; offering the rest of the middle east to Lal for that island chain off the south of India; Cuba in return for giving Dimmsdale priority for network enhancement, for BOCHICA deployment if he wants it and for relief supplies assuming he still needs them along with a gift of 8 Bn Nicks.

I honestly don't expect to get Tawian mind you, I'm mostly putting it in there so we can give that up in compromise for Japan after which we support him taking Mongolia and Tibet. I'm also willing to offer augmentation to any Potenate that is interested as an additional bargaining chip.

>(Anyone wanting to tie break on whether to keep Chloe in the call?)
I'm okay with dropping her from the call just to keep shit moving.

>>3843276
Well if we are going to be giving out or declaring who's in charge of what like that, then why don't we pick the replacement subpotentates for UK and stuff?

>>3843344
I'd be just happy with Hubs and Greenland.

I'd say we hang up on Chole only when Tison starts his ranting, and doesn't stop after we warned him. Warn Chole first too.

>>3843360
>Well if we are going to be giving out or declaring who's in charge of what like that, then why don't we pick the replacement subpotentates for UK and stuff?
Because part of the prophecy is the existence of 10 Biblical kingdoms: by getting rid of the middle east and the UK ones, we can lower the count to 8. Add on us? You only have 9, further damaging god's plan.

I do understand what you mean but I'd point out that we can't exactly find a perfect puppet on such short notice nor would we be able to control them given the nature of the situation.

>I'd be just happy with Hubs and Greenland.
To be honest I probably would too but if we can grab additional land, why not?

>I'd say we hang up on Chole only when Tison starts his ranting, and doesn't stop after we warned him. Warn Chole first too.
Fair enough, I'm mostly wanting to get them offline so we can honestly discuss god and our opposition to him.

>>3843365
>Because part of the prophecy is the existence of 10 Biblical kingdoms: by getting rid of the middle east and the UK ones, we can lower the count to 8. Add on us? You only have 9, further damaging god's plan.

If that plan was expressed earlier, I would not have been so vehemently against changing up the territories so much.

>To be honest I probably would too but if we can grab additional land, why not?
{perhaps we can use it as a negotiation tactic. ask for more than you want then settle down for what you really want.

>Fair enough, I'm mostly wanting to get them offline so we can honestly discuss god and our opposition to him.
We are mostly going through the motions since we all know Tison can't help himself. :)

>>3843330
>>3843324

(Well, fuck. Hold on to your hats!)

You cut off Chloe's microphone, figuring that Tsion's probably going to override anything she was saying.

"Listen, people. We have a giant ice rock full of alien bugs that's slowly thawing and possibly de-terraforming the local environment.

I said we had enough wealth and power for our -own- wants and needs: for example, we've been developing advanced VR technology, as an aside, because our sysadmins happen to like it and it has great potential for the future. Another example would be the investments we've made over the last few years in stuff purely for our staff or their families; we take care of our own.

What we don't have, however is enough resources for everything CATS is seemingly in a position to help with. It's no secret that we have been assisting UNDRR and GCASA with long term issues -- preventing or at least delaying soil deterioration, intercepting meteorites. We're coordinating with ICCO to set up a bio-diversity reserve, even.

We're trying to advance human understanding, use it to deal with our problems, build a better future. Now we are here, trying to figure out how to fight actual aliens. We have figured out how to get fight them -- and only we have. We're running on the assumption that Chloe Steele is at least partially right, and although she will hate me for saying this, we're trying to avert the Apocalypse that her pastor preaches.

And throughout all this you try to nickel and dime us? We, CATS, saved you from Folgore. We ended a war in a month that could have lasted a year and left the Earth in tatters. And you try to nickel and dime us?

That I will not allow. Let's dispense with the niceties. Here's what I want, and here's what you will give me, because it will be cheaper and easier than me taking it."

# Write in. I at this point have no idea where this is going anymore, so the first territorial redistribution proposal that gets two votes, goes.

(Is this roughly what you wanted to get across?)

>>3843344

I am in favor of installations over territories because it saves us the trouble of administrating whole countries.

For example, if we own Ireland as a territory we would responsible for making sure the Protestants and Catholics play nicely.

Instead, if we had bases, we could offer our services to the Potentate-in-charge and send them our bill when all is said and done.

Plus it'll reduce the number of 'Kings' too.

>I'd say we hang up on Chole only when Tison starts his ranting, and doesn't stop after we warned him. Warn Chole first too.

Support.

I would push for Chloe being recognized as the Remnant speaker. She's shown she can be reasonable while sticking to her guns.

>>3843367
It was mentioned repeatedly last thread, I apologise for presuming that everyone had been made aware of that stipulation.

>{perhaps we can use it as a negotiation tactic. ask for more than you want then settle down for what you really want.
I plan on doing so, after all I don't really want Vega controlling all of SEA besides New Zealand and a few islands like Tasmania and New Caledonia but implying we won't stop him does make it a excellent bargaining chip to then going "well okay I guess we could give Australia to Gustav" and maybe saying "Yang can take the some islands" along with "Dimmsdale should take back the Philippines seeing as they are / were american allies / near-vassals in past" in return for us getting Taiwan and Japan along with Cuba from them respectively.

Greenland too but that value of trade for that is divided between Gustav and Dimmsdale as well as the argument to both of them that they'd rather we have it than the other or, god forbid, Zakharov.

Zakharov's island chain in the north honestly might be wise to drop given it probably ain't worth the resources we'd need to trade for it.

>We are mostly going through the motions since we all know Tison can't help himself. :)
True.

>>3843368
>(Is this roughly what you wanted to get across?)
Basically, a very competent if not by-the-book man trying to save the world who has basically just saved a bunch of people's lives but when asking for their help they say "oh but what is in it for me" even as their own house burns down around them.

># Write in. I at this point have no idea where this is going anymore, so the first territorial redistribution proposal that gets two votes, goes.

Yes, give me a moment to write up a list of what the map changes are / grab the image and modify it.

>>3843247
Why does Africa own a piece of the middle east in ur pic....?

>>3843368
Greenland, and a few territories/Hubs.

>>3843370
What is there to administer in Greenland? There is like less than 50k people living there. We can work with Gus and Denmark on some of the issues, but I mostly want to freedom to build whatever we want in Greenland, and not have to deal with noisy people. Gus or Dimmsdale can still call the overall shots on what happens domestically and social or politically.

We should have Defacto power in Greenland while Dejure goes to Gus or Dimms.

Think of Macau or Hong Kong before the handover.

>>3843370
>I am in favor of installations over territories because it saves us the trouble of administrating whole countries.
Fair enough but my logic is that we can just adopt the existing administration, maybe automate large portions using BOCHICA based systems, and then leave it to more or less take care of itself as we use the resources they generate to save the world, improve their lives and generally be a good Illuminati organisation.

>For example, if we own Ireland as a territory we would responsible for making sure the Protestants and Catholics play nicely.
Bah, the Ireland is stable now and we can have Moira use her influence to make sure certain parties play nice if need be. Throw in the fact religions are more so the responsibility of the Ecumenical Council who we can trust now and it's not too much of an issue. Plus Ireland is a bargaining chip, I don't expect to actually get it.

>Instead, if we had bases, we could offer our services to the Potentate-in-charge and send them our bill when all is said and done.
Yeah true.

>Plus it'll reduce the number of 'Kings' too.
I suppose but we wouldn't get a seat on the Council as easily without it I'd argue. Plus I love the idea of CATS being a literal New World Order for some regions as well as making a "national address" speech where we reveal we are a cyborg leading a high tech militarised organisation with ties to the worlds leaders, the economy and everywhere else. Supported by additional cyborg soldiers, drones (something no other military has in-world currently besides us, Israel and any Santiago has borrowed) and all that cool shit who is responsible for everything from redirecting meteors to creating VR tech literal decades more advanced than it should be.

Not to mention that it means we can easily create dozens of Thule style cities, full of industry and bio-reserves. Along with various other benefits.

>I would push for Chloe being recognized as the Remnant speaker. She's shown she can be reasonable while sticking to her guns.
Agreed.

>>3843378
>Why does Africa own a piece of the middle east in ur pic....?
To reward Litwala for his good service and in trade for the islands we're taking just off Madigascar.

>>3843378
>Greenland, and a few territories/Hubs.
Anon he wants the territories specified, so I'm going to be working on my image to get this right / good.

>>3843378

With the Thule base, given how much land is abscribed to it, you essentially already had that -- the mining rights can still be worked out with Gustav or Dimmsdale. Or, you could outright declare that Greenland belongs to you.

>>3843376

(Did you watch CSPAN recently? Sorry for being cynical, but...)

>>3843376

(Seems to me that you're trying to make the case that the whole "let's try to move past the concept of nation states" thing that Carpatescu tried to do has failed, is that more or less where you're going?)

>>3843380
>>3843370

You make a note to move that Chloe Steele be recognized as the Remnant representative for EC purposes, rather than Tsion, since Tsion is their prophet and Rayford nominally the man in charge, but Chloe is keeping the books and giving assignment to the people.

>>3843376
>repeatedly last thread
Hmm, missed it I guess. Though I will say again, plans made previously tend to go forgotten or neglected or rendered moot in new threads and future turns.

I'd rather not give Vega more than an island.

I think AUS and NZ would be better suited to go to Dimmsdale.

To reward Litwala for his good service

Should be the other way around, and I think we can get away with ask him nicely for it and give a few non territorial concessions.

I'd rather we not be considered a king in any regard and just have special rights to do as we please on their lands.

Also, we can just build a city in Africa.

>>3843381
One near our old HQ, one in SEA island, (Next to Carla?) 1 in Australian, 1 in Africa.

Think we can grab the Falkland islands?

>>3843383
>(Did you watch CSPAN recently? Sorry for being cynical, but...)
What? Greenland is for sale or something?

>Seems to me that you're trying to make the case that the whole "let's try to move past the concept of nation states"
Back to square one. What if we do some sort of national Confederation that respects cultures and boundaries like Halo or Babylon 5?

>>3843368

Hmmm.... a little too heavy handed.

How about this:

<Turn off Ikko's radio for the duration>

"Attention esteemed Potentates, I feel we must address the elephant in the room. Now, it goes without saying we've seen some strange shit in the past few years, starting with the Event which saw the disappearance of the world's children.

Through the course of our tenure as foreman, we have investigated a number of enigmas. It was CATS who detected Carpatescu's use of mesmerism and devised the means of counteracting it.

Through cooperation with UNDRR, GCASA, and the work of Dr. Robertson and Dr. Diamond we were able to detect Akhenatten and address the aftermath.

In the past we have had to step carefully to accomplish these objectives but now I will say this: something is afoot.

Tsion would claim this is in accordance to his interpretation of the Book of Revelations. While there are interesting parallels, we have ample evidence to suggest that this enigma goes way deeper than the Rabbi's ramblings.

Regardless, one thing we have determined is that human ingenuity and drive can overcome earth shattering cataclysms.

I'll get to point. Our goal isn't political power but rather knowledge and defense. We want to understand what the hell is going on and devise a means of keeping the planet safe. Even without your blessing, CATS will continue to follow this mission but it would benefit us if we had the blessing of this august assembly."

>>3843383
>(Did you watch CSPAN recently? Sorry for being cynical, but...)
Christ no, I've been busy burning my way through a bunch of content I got randomly recommended by Youtube. Musicals, memes and comics have consumed a fair few hours of my days. If you are referring to some detail of my plan please inform to me.

>(Seems to me that you're trying to make the case that the whole "let's try to move past the concept of nation states" thing that Carpatescu tried to do has failed, is that more or less where you're going?)
Nah, I'm just grabbing regions that I think they'd be able to make use of or should reasonably be interested in and offering it in exchange for support.

Personally, I think carpy boy was right in some ways, humanity can and should move past nationstates towards a greater unification if for no other reason than the fact that if we don't we'll struggle to deal with threats like meteors, alien invasions, acts of god and even simpler stuff like famines or natural disasters.

Not to mention shit like colonising mars or the moon: we can hardly have the Argentinians hating the Brits hating the french hating the Germans hating the Italians hating the french hating the Brits hating the Spanish hating the Africans hating the Europeans hating the Chinese.


For now however, we must compromise for stability and to appease these leaders but in another decade or two of letting cultural universalise as our auto-translation systems make language a non-barrier, as people start communicating online everywhere and as the economy unifies? Then we can see about winding down the separation and becoming one people under BOCHICA that can march into the stars without any ill blood.

>>3843388
We become UNSC in Halo, the world political body becomes Systems Alliance from Mass Effect. We answer to them, sort of.

>>3843380

Maybe Ireland isn't the best example, but the point I'm trying to throw in is that public administration of populated countries would create more unneeded distractions.

If the Apocalypse is happening on my property, I'd rather let a landlord pay for the damages than deal with it myself.

If we're going to see global scale disasters like blood oceans, demonic horsemen, and earthquakes, I'd rather let the Potentates handle the paperwork so we can focus our resources on surgically addressing the cause.

If we go the base-route we can still build up population centers and, through careful wrangling of the Potentates, build them into thriving city-states when we have advanced our technology trees further and have addressed the encroaching famine and other disasters.

>>3843386
>Hmm, missed it I guess. Though I will say again, plans made previously tend to go forgotten or neglected or rendered moot in new threads and future turns.
True.

>I'd rather not give Vega more than an island.
I'm planing on cutting him down to a relatively small area, I'll post it soon to see what you think.

>I think AUS and NZ would be better suited to go to Dimmsdale.
NZ is so nice though: it's a very hospitable environment (compared to Greenland or Iceland I mean) with plenty of natural resources in a place where we might otherwise lack a good island base. Plus it has a well developed industrial economy we can make immediate use of.

>Should be the other way around, and I think we can get away with ask him nicely for it and give a few non territorial concessions.
Eh, he made Africa stand against the Peacekeepers and I want to reward him for his loyalty. We can make him give concessions when we start setting up Thule-style cities all over his lands, attracting the best and brightest of Africa to our banner rather than his. Along with most of their industry and commerce.

>I'd rather we not be considered a king in any regard and just have special rights to do as we please on their lands.
Yet I would since having a vote on the Council would be nice. It doesn't seem entirely honest to pretend to be effectively a Agency head given the power in our hands.

>Also, we can just build a city in Africa.
True.

>One near our old HQ, one in SEA island, (Next to Carla?) 1 in Australian, 1 in Africa.
Eh, I'd prefer to grab one up in NE Asia as well for the sake of air-basing / naval shit against Yang should he try something. Plus one in the Indian ocean, which I have requested / plan to just for the sake of coverage.

>Think we can grab the Falkland islands?
That'd be brilliant, maybe even make them a shared region between us and Santiago that functions entirely as a military training island-city and penguin nature reserve so we can invite her on a cute date after inviting her to inspect the troops.

>>3843390
Seems about right, my main point is that the people of earth will slowly unify over time and we've made good progress in accelerating it. Far more important is ensuring this Bonsai tree grows just right rather than trying to rush it and causing a butcher of our good work by keeping these leaders from rocking the boat too much.

>>3843394
>Maybe Ireland isn't the best example, but the point I'm trying to throw in is that public administration of populated countries would create more unneeded distractions.
True but that is why I made mention of essentially just leaving the regions be besides automation and probably economic improvement.

>If we're going to see global scale disasters like blood oceans, demonic horsemen, and earthquakes, I'd rather let the Potentates handle the paperwork so we can focus our resources on surgically addressing the cause.
True but by taking these regions we can have the funds, numbers and reach to make sure that the blood ocean doesn't wipe out any species, that the demonic horsemen are contained by literal thousands of Gap field generators and to be fair in the case of earth quakes we've made the prep for those already to survive pretty extreme ones without issue.


Plus our victory at this point is near certain so long as we don't screw up entirely and get possessed by Satan or something.

>If we go the base-route we can still build up population centers and, through careful wrangling of the Potentates, build them into thriving city-states when we have advanced our technology trees further and have addressed the encroaching famine and other disasters.
I suppose but that doesn't change the fact we could probably do the same even with these regions under our control. Only difference being more resources and more control over the region.

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This is my modified version of the territorial exchange I wish to cause. Questions, suggestions and all that good shit?

>>3843388
>>3843387
>>3843386

(I'll be honest, I lost the plot a bit, at this point.)

>>3843387
>>3843388

"Foreman, I still think you are calling upon high-minded principles in order to go for a land grab. If that is the case, you have my approval for taking Greenland or Hawaii or rather anywhere else you care for, with the exclusion of Taiwan, of course."

That was unexpected; what changed Yang's mind?

Gustav and Zakharov seems to mostly agree about where the border between Russia and Europe should be; Zakharov is not much of a nationalist, and largely wants to move the countries he's representing away from the shame of the corruption of the post-Soviet period. A few points of contention, such as Crimea, remain.

Santiago has reached an agreement with Dimmsdale about Mexico; she will hold onto it as long as Dimmsdale sees Hawaii returned to his territory.

And so on, and so forth.


>>3843402

(Anyone wants to second that?)

Yeah, I think we've ALL lost the plot a bit here, because I went to bed and you're being retards.

We've got a prophecy to stop, we can put land negotiations on hold for a few months. Nobody's going to start another war tomorrow, they're all weary.

LETS GO, people. We don't have time to waste on this!

>>3843386

>I'd rather not give Vega more than an island.

My plan for Vega is give him a small amount of territory and encourage him into building it into a paradise for Transhumanism and augmentation.

As a caveat he'll agree to get out of the illegal trade and take a more legitimate approach to his technology and talents.

It also builds a useful ally in the region, since I anticipate Yang is going to embrace a position of isolationism from the Global Community.

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>>3843370
>I am in favor of installations over territories because it saves us the trouble of administrating whole countries.
I agree. Here's an attached image of what an installation (military outpost) can look like. This will be built by either civilian construction crews, military combat-engineers, or military construction-contractors. It can be disassembled, packaged, and then stored in regular trucks, pick-up trucks, or in multiple van-like vehicles (SUVs) as necessary.
It has a defense rating of 2, over our current defense rating of 1 at most bases, and versus 16 at New Babylon.
This will be available for construction 1 week (1 turn) from now. The turn times are not consistent, and are based off my Survarium matches win-rate (how often I win battles, sets of rounds, and wars in Survarium the video-game for military-exercise professionals such as myself).

>Anyone wants to second that?

For the sake of ending this political talk and returning to frying insects, I will support.

>>3843404

I would like to vote against >>3843402 simply because this is not a nations game, I recommend >>3831097 for that instead.

>>3843405

True but look at how WE are acting. When it's about territory everyone gets greedy. We can't expect the NPCs to not be.

>>3843406

He said he'd be okay with "regulating" the drug trade instead of being a part of it, which apparently Zakov has also done as per >>3842881


We have Thule if we want to build a city, we have extraterritorial bases, we still get paid every quarter. If the subponetes want to fuck us over they'll give us Greenland and Cuba and NZ and then cut our budget to 10. Then what do we do, bomb them? If we shut down the net again for too long they'll re learn to do without.

>>3843407

is the defense rating stuff on the map or in the google doc?

>>3843405
>Yeah, I think we've ALL lost the plot a bit here, because I went to bed and you're being retards.
Hey man I think we made good progress working out long term shit.

>We've got a prophecy to stop, we can put land negotiations on hold for a few months. Nobody's going to start another war tomorrow, they're all weary.
The prophecy is being stopped, between the lab work, bombing run and gap generator field wall around them there ain't much more we can order done for now since we're waiting to find out if fire is their weakness or if we need a really big tesla coil as well as a complete dissection.

>>3843412
Well at the very least I can promise you that I've chosen only the best parts of the world to grab limited by the nature of the regions and not wanting to take stuff from our closest allies.

>>3843416
>is the defense rating stuff on the map or in the google doc?
No, it on neither any maps or any google docs. I haven't listed it yet because no one asked me to. It's based off my personal experience, knowledge, and discussions with other LARPers such as myself.

Shitpost Proposal:

We solve the issue of land ownership by colonizing the Bottomless Pit. Plenty of room for everyone's needs when you get past the demonic insects and the darkness.

We'll call it Apollyonstan!

>>3843402
I think we are taking too much land, also why is Australia and NZ going to Gus?

Why Does Zak have Scandinavia?

>>3843421

(Again, if you want to do any sort of writeup, I strongly encourage you to. Then again, I was hoping for a map or something from you, and you posted a plushie instead, so I've really got no idea what your overall idea here is. One thing I am going to ask though, I made a google doc public, if you found the private one with my quest notes, please don't use it to read how the combat rating for various unit types actually works.)

>>3843416
>>3843412

(OK I got 2 vote for, 1 against)

>>3843423

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU We can never dig too deep!)

>>3843416
>I would like to vote against...this is not a nations game
Anon, I beg of you to see the logic of what I say.

>We have Thule if we want to build a city, we have extraterritorial bases, we still get paid every quarter. If the subponetes want to fuck us over they'll give us Greenland and Cuba and NZ and then cut our budget to 10. Then what do we do, bomb them? If we shut down the net again for too long they'll re learn to do without.
Anon even if they tried to do that, we'd still have 24 Bn production from the factories every quarter plus what we get from our security teams. We'd be back to roughly our budget at the start of the game, maybe a little better and given the fact we can have as many work teams as we can hire now we'd be able to rapidly grow our factory count as well as other shit.

Also you are assuming that our allies are going to just suddenly screw us over after we make an impassioned plea that we're doing it for the good of humanity: we just need to show we were serious and that we aren't going to abuse these funds, people or the power it grants. Fact is Santiago won't screw us, Litwala won't screw us, Vega won't screw us, Zakharov isn't negatively effected by this deal unless he wants war, Gustav might not get all he wants but he still gets a fair bit and Lal gets a shit ton more land and power.

Most people come out of this deal pretty well off and we can smooze our way into them being perfect content with our performance after this by giving them shit tonnes of stuff.

>>3843427
>I think we are taking too much land, also why is Australia and NZ going to Gus?
Australlia is going to him because he wants it, NZ is ours however.

>Why Does Zak have Scandinavia?
Because he wants it? This is a thing from what I recall established earlier in >>3842997 as a thing they all would have agreed to wanted.

>>3843430
Eastern Europe I can understand but Scandinavia?

And Gus is like somehow okay with that? The fug.

It'd be easier to get special rights like building and mineral exploration than actual sovereignty. That's all we really want anyways is it not?

Less Color changes and territory changes the better IMO.

Also Give Turkey to EU? I think we only gave half of it.

>>3843445
>Eastern Europe I can understand but Scandinavia?
Eh, the Russians did own Finland (before 1918) and it's not like they wouldn't have taken the rest if they could.

>And Gus is like somehow okay with that? The fug.
I try not to understand the mind of the German, it makes life much more fun.

>It'd be easier to get special rights like building and mineral exploration than actual sovereignty. That's all we really want anyways is it not?
I mean, I'd like actual sovereign land but those special rights are nice too. It's just sovereignty has this nice ring to it and I want sovereign land so we can hide carpy somewhere no one has any right to go snooping about.

>Less Color changes and territory changes the better IMO.
Eh, I'd argue the more balanced a world with the greatest strength given to us for the least issue the better. That and reducing border gore where possible.

>Also Give Turkey to EU? I think we only gave half of it.
I wasn't sure where to cut it for the turkish border on that low res map, that and I didn't want to assume they'd want it but I knew they'd probably want the near-east part since it has greek heritage and shit. If he wants more, he can take more.

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>>3843428
(It helps when you have no bottom)

>>3843452

OK that is actually pretty fucking awesome :D


-----------

Yang messages you on the side; for his support in your attempt to take Ireland, Greenland, New Zealand and other islands, he wants you to support his intention to declare independence from the Global Community entirely.

"I think it's obvious that Carpatescu was the Josip Broz Tito of our time; now he is gone, and as Yugoslavia started splitting apart ten years ago, so will the world. I believe that the first to leave will both cause an avalanche, and be able to do so with the least amount of losses territorial or otherwise."

# Support him.

# Oppose.

# Expose his plan immediately.


----

(OOC note: I'd like to remind people that all this territorial redistribution can, in fact, wait).

(I'd like to know what people want to do OOC, as much as the IC politicking is interesting. I'm fairly confused as to where this wants to go; my impression was that this was going to be some sort of playable epilogue, but if we're doing month by month the whole time, we're not even at the halfway point.

OOC, just so I can know what simulation model to use, can I please know if people want to:

* Keep CATS as an agency, although with restrictions lifted. Budget will keep being allocated, and so on.

* Declare the internet to be its own corpo-nation, of sorts. No fixed budget, but taxes/tithes depending on how good the services provided is.

* Declare CATS to be a world power that also happens to own internet infrastructure. Take over islands and so on.

* Do some sort of hybrid situation that lets you keep land and a budget grant, at which point we're basically switching to easy mode simulation wise.

Thank you!)

>>3843459
=D

(In hind sight, maybe I should have gone with Abaddstan?)

I am of the mind to table discussions of territory for later. We have bugs to fry and demon horsemen to prepare for.

Hybrid

I vote we're still an agency with lessened restrictions and budget, but we be allowed to own strategic segments of territory, subject to approval of the territorial Potentate.

Potentate administers the territory and the people, we administer the infrastructure, while allowing us to provide assets to help a territory in the event of an emergency.

(AKA Demons show up, dispatch Seal Team CATS)

>>3843465
-# Declare the internet to be its own corpo-nation, of sorts. No fixed budget, but taxes/tithes depending on how good the services provided is.

-# Write-in
-# Declare CATS as a corporate-nation (corpo-nation), and broadcast its existence to everyone, everything, until the end of time itself.

-# Write-in.
-# "I, Paul, declare CATS to be its own corporate-nation (corp-nation), as a mercenary and benefactor to its existence. It shall be a capitalist nation, the absolute enemy to evil communism itself. I shall do so by playing Survarium every single day, or performing tasks of such importance to it, for the rest of my life. This is my decree as a member of the New Babylon Empire."

>>3843471
Switching from this vote to >>3843470
+1. I back Apollystan-Anon's vote instead on making CATS an agency with reduced limitations and restrictions upon its existence.

>>3843459
>"I think it's obvious that Carpatescu was the Josip Broz Tito of our time; now he is gone, and as Yugoslavia started splitting apart ten years ago, so will the world. I believe that the first to leave will both cause an avalanche, and be able to do so with the least amount of losses territorial or otherwise."
"Yang I must advise against this, the world must remain united: at least for another half-a-decade or so. After that if you still wish to separate off I can't justify stopping you from doing so since you are your people's leader and we're not living in particularly democratic times.

I wish I could say something to convince you to stay for good but I can almost certainly convince you to stay for a few years more."

Have we made the god-exists-kinda reveal yet?

>>3843465
>(I'd like to know what people want to do OOC, as much as the IC politicking is interesting. I'm fairly confused as to where this wants to go; my impression was that this was going to be some sort of playable epilogue, but if we're doing month by month the whole time, we're not even at the halfway point.
Eh, I assumed you had a plan...if you want to call it quits here and just give us a few broad decisions to decide how shit goes, that could work. After all at this point between our factories, teams and tech, our victory is assured. You can just tell us "okay you've basically won, want to call it quits" if it's getting difficult or you want to wrap it up...

* Declare the internet to be its own corpo-nation, of sorts. No fixed budget, but taxes/tithes depending on how good the services provided is.
AND / OR
* Declare CATS to be a world power that also happens to own internet infrastructure. Take over islands and so on.
OR
* Do some sort of hybrid situation that lets you keep land and a budget grant, at which point we're basically switching to easy mode simulation wise.

Personally I think the tithe as opposed to a budget is better but if anons would prefer a budget I won't stop them. Especially since I'm unsure if we can do my combination deal of being a world power with a tithe / tax.

>>3843465
* Do some sort of hybrid situation that lets you keep land and a budget grant, at which point we're basically switching to easy mode simulation wise.

Lets skip territorial claims and changes for the most part...

>>3843476
>tithe / tax
Well if we can do both....

All this, because Santiago wanted Mexico...


What if we made New Babylon like Berlin after ww2 with each subponete controlling and in charge of a section.

As for Indonesia, we just appoint a new subponete there. We've done it before with Litwala, and we are basically the Kingmaker for most things here.

>>3843470
>>3843476
>>3843478

(Okay. Confirm switching to easy mode?)

>>3843493
Yes. Confirmed. +1.

Is there anything I can do to convince anons to switch to my suggestion of:

>* Declare the internet to be its own corpo-nation, of sorts. No fixed budget, but taxes/tithes depending on how good the services provided is.
AND
>* Declare CATS to be a world power that also happens to own internet infrastructure. Take over islands and so on.

Since the two seem quite complementary to me.

>>3843493
If I can't convince them of the above, sure.

>>3843493

> switch to easy mode
> everything goes hunky dory
> we beat eviljesus easily
> we never actually got out of the VR rig in the last thread

yeah i can smell a trap a mile away. no.

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>>3843402
I added Defense Ratings to depict how many black-ops teams are needed to capture a region. Regions without text-boxes or numbers require 0 black-ops teams to capture, meaning they only require 1 work-team to capture. Sizes of teams are not consistent, they are simply equated for the exact same quantity of produced work, labor, and effectiveness.

>>3843497
I have been scared into saying NO regarding switching to easy mode.

>>3843502
Paranoid-sama is that you?

No, she just wants to go back to the actual plot and stop bickering about geopolitics that are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THIS QUEST.

>>3843493
Yes, let's fucking get on with it if this gets the geopolitical optimiizers out of the prophecy.

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>>3843474
>>3843470

So that's 2 votes for agency, and 2 for hybrid? I think?

( I understand that people want to do write-ins and I've used them to the best of my ability, but if I call a vote OOC about what simulation model to use for the quest, and you want to do a write-in, you're basically volunteering to either take over the quest or hand me a mixed simulation mode. >>3843508 is that what your intention is here?)


>>3843502

(welp, you got me... maybe. Easymode = assume that all rolls that do not crit fail succeed, since you would have overwhelming resources to bring to bear if you had both an agency budget and the GDP of some countries to draw on. I did consider being a dick and going back to "we never left the Shoney's" when the Foreman got into the VR rig, but that would have depended on how yandere Aki got over time, and her yandere meter is almost empty).

>>3843476

(You have not made that reveal yet; you can do so at any time. Doing so with Chloe on the horn would be interesting)

>>3843476

(I did have a plan, but it kinda went out of the window, as it should in any good roleplaying game :) to be honest I didn't expect this conference-call bit to last this long, that's all)

>>3843511

(Again, this is not a nation-building or take-over-the-world quest, although you guys basically HAVE taken over the world in any but the "this piece of dirt has my flag on it" sense. The goal of the quest is, of course, to derail and/or subvert and/or smack down Fate).

Confirm.

CATS is about saving the Internet (and the planet) from Turbo Jesus, not bogging ourselves down in political red tape. Lets get back to doing SCIENCE and looking awesome while doing it.

>>3843525
>So that's 2 votes for agency, and 2 for hybrid? I think?
None of these votes matter, >>3843502 is correct.
W e ' r e s t i l l i n t h e
V R r i g .

>>3843527
>Confirm.
I agree. +1. I'm all for this course of action.
>>3843527
>CATS is about saving the Internet (and the planet) from Turbo Jesus, not bogging ourselves down in political red tape. Lets get back to doing SCIENCE and looking awesome while doing it.
Yes. CATS WILL SAVE THE INTERNET. THE INTERNET IS SAVED THANKS TO US!!!!!!!

I just want to get the game moving again, I'll vote no for easy mode if it does that, whatever stops the pointless bitching.

>>3843525
hybrid

>>3843539
You're right, my bad. I made a mistake. We should stick with hybrid mode, and I'll post some more pictures and photos once there's something relevant to the game.

Let's do whatever we need to do to get moving again. Well at least we're going to hold land, that'll certainly provide opportunities for interesting events...especially in the post-game description. Space colonies, under sea cities and arctic Edens are all within reach for our cybernetics enhanced VR using drone controlling RTG powered citizens of the future.

God damn this world is going to be an interesting aesthetic.

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(This is what it looks like with easy mode)

Given that you have effective control of the Peacekeeper army, and the entirety of its airforce on high alert, nobody wants to call your bluff, if it even was a bluff.

Each of the subpotentates agrees to hand over an island for you to rule: Iceland, Ireland, Greenland, Japan, New Zealand, Cuba, the Seychelles, and so on.

This effectively makes moot any budget issues you might have in the future; you'll have to find and appoint governors for these places, but Carla can probably help in that sense.

* Team number restrictions lifted
* Money will not be a problem again
* The fewer teams deployed each month, the more prosperous your territories will be
* Global Community splinters: other powers will be more submissive
* Game will be shorter

# Option A. NO write ins, NO further hybridizing solutions, this is already the best I can do.

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>>3843476

(This is what it looks like without easy mode)

"Chairman Yang, what would it take for you to not secede, at least for now?"

"I can work with the status quo, or with a situation in which Greater China is independent, but not with a situation where we are bound to the Global Community and there has been a major upheaval."

His proposal is that you gain extraterritoriality for your logistics hubs, network nodes, and so on, and put an "industrial tax" on BOCHICA and Synco factory systems that would allow them to operate essentially for profit.

Of course, as the only industrial economy that does not yet have a Synco system, he stands to gain in the short term, but you suspect that if he does not install one in China as well, he will be left in the dust in the medium term.

* Team number restrictions lifted
* No quarterly budget, but also no need to spend everything each quarter
* Net infrastructure generates income each quarter (Current: 36) Uses lowest number for each territory
* Synco factories can be used to generate income directly, instead of production
* Global Community persists
* Game will be longer

# Option B. NO write ins, NO further hybridizing solutions, this is already the best I can do.

>>3843563
-#Option B. NO write ins, NO further hybridizing solutions, this is already the best I can do.
Carpe diem! We must seize the day!

>>3843563
# Option B. NO write ins, NO further hybridizing solutions, this is already the best I can do.

I'm quite happy with CATS becoming a pseudo-national entity with a tithe for "foreign" regions using our services. Also as a side note I've got a few ideas for renaming CATS that I'll be working on given we are no longer the Custodian Arrangement for Telecommunication Systems: not by a long shot.

#Option B~!

# Option B

Looks like everyone wants option B. Pretty sure she does too. Let's go then.

# Option B.

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>>3843568
>>3843564
>>3843572

The rest of the meeting gets bogged down in negotiations over land ownership, but given that you have set up a global supply chain, you don't really care where stuff is made or extracted: most of the basic goods at this point are fungible. BOCHICA has done a good job adapting to the freeze, and you're pretty sure it will adapt well to the thaw.

The temptation of making bread out of stone, you might accept... but it will be by getting the science and engineering done, not by miracle.

The motion to amend the charters of Carpatescu's global defense initiative, CATS, UNDRR and GCASA to add a mandate to:

1) Secure Earth from extraplanetary hazards.
2) Contain any extraplanetary hazards that make it to Earth.
3) Protect human life and culture from any and all extraterrestrial interference

passes 7 to 1, with Gideon Vega abstaining because he feels that "human" is too restrictive.

Santiago tells you that the territorial negotiations are likely to last a while.

You're tired as all hell, so you go to sleep, actually turn your phone and earset off, and tell people to wake you up only if there's an emergency.

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DAY 2

Airstrike scheduled (You are here)

Autopsy scheduled for completion

DAY 3

Armored train arrives

Medical team arrives

DAY 4

Mesh armor arrives

Giant speaker arrives

Tissue sample analysis scheduled for completion

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At 6AM, there's an emergency.

The PK air force is good to go on the airstrike; they were not waiting for you to get up, of course, and the first planes are already en route.

The emergency is that despite the cold, the insectoids are starting to thaw, with a small swarm beginning to "patrol" the perimeter of the impact zone, as defined by the pyrite monoliths. A dozen people, three surveyors, one news team, and a handful of idiots who ignored all the perimeter warnings, have been stung.

On his website, Rabbi Ben-Judah notes that the people who will be stung would be in so much pain that they would want to die, but God would not allow them to. Tsion said these beasts were not part of the animal kingdom at all. Instead, they were actual demons taking the form of living organisms.

So far, it seems to bear out; those stung were able to crawl to safety, but report being in extreme pain, with one having tried to commit suicide by banging his head on a rock repeatedly; he's been sedated and is being treated. The autopsy of the specimens you collected yesterday will be ready this afternoon, and hopefully it will be made moot by the bombing.

# You want this to be short and sweet: have the airplanes circle the impact site and unload on it as fast as they can once a critical mass has been reached. It's not a nuke, but it should emulate one as much as possible. We must get as many as we can before they thaw out and can fly!

# This needs a long, slow burn or half the fuel will be wasted due to lack of oxygen. Let it rain fire for the whole day, at a controlled rate, ensuring extermination.

>>3843607
-# You want this to be short and sweet: have the airplanes circle the impact site and unload on it as fast as they can once a critical mass has been reached. It's not a nuke, but it should emulate one as much as possible. We must get as many as we can before they thaw out and can fly!
We need to give immediate fire-support to our allies before they fold from being surrounded on all sides.

>>3843607
# This needs a long, slow burn or half the fuel will be wasted due to lack of oxygen. Let it rain fire for the whole day, at a controlled rate, ensuring extermination.

They aren't insanely resilient given what we've seen and it'd be easier to deal with them coming out slowly as they survive this than the massive number that would come all at once if they survived the other one.

>>3843611
Switching from this to >>3843618
+1. You have a better grasp of the current situation around New Babylon than I do.

# This needs a long, slow burn or half the fuel will be wasted due to lack of oxygen. Let it rain fire for the whole day, at a controlled rate, ensuring extermination.

I wonder if the locusts make good eating...

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>>3843623
>>3843618
>>3843621

Given the poor condition of the PK airpower, it would be unsafe to have a large amount of warplanes circle the impact site in order to all unload at the same time; that's a guaranteed recipe for casualties. Instead, you have the aircraft fly in, drop their ordnance, and either return to Al Hillah or land at the nearest airfield, depending on fuel availability.

You set up cameras, seismographs, all the sensors you can think of around the perimeter, another couple of people get stung. One thing the surveyors do discover is that once a locust has stung someone, other locusts avoid them. Unfortunately, people who have been stung are basically useless; they can barely function for how much it hurts.

The sight in the sky is admittedly pretty cool; a grey sky, with the occasional bolt of lightning flying between two dust formations, and a motley assortment of warplanes of every kind in a line under it.

The first incendiary rockets land, and the locusts that can fly, swarm away!

Some try to climb; most spread out.

A nuclear device -- going from calm to a fireball in one instant -- would have destroyed this threat in one go; as it is, the insectoids that stay outside the fireball manage to finish thawing and abandon their point of origin.

The rain of fire, however, does not stop. Everything that could be burned within the kill zone is burned, and then burned again, until a column of black smoke makes it hard to see further deflagrations. The bombs don't care; most are guided by GPS, the target is stationary, and enough of the GPS signal makes it through the dust cloud that everything hits its target plus or minus twenty meters.

The first aircraft were flying low; now they're keeping away from the column of smoke -- you expected that it would turn into a mushroom cloud, but it didn't, it's a column of black smoke going up and joining with the dust coud -- and doing side drops, which the GPS guidance can compensate for. Some aircraft make it back to New Babylon, most end up landing in nearby airfields, either due to low fuel or mechanical problems.

The bombardment continues. It's thawing the ground around the monoliths, and changing the local weather; you have to turn on the A/C in the forward post, both because the protective gear is sweaty, and because the radiated heat from the bombing is starting to reach you.

A few locusts escape high enough to reach the airplanes; you watch a column of smoke erupt from the port engine of a cargo that was carrying a large incendiary. The plane rolls to the side, drops its enormous payload off target, and veers off to the nearest airfield.

The same scene happens again with what you think is a F-111, except that in this case, the pilot has to eject as the plane crashes maybe a kilometer from you. You know he'll get stung.


# Tell fighter-bombers to try to target the active sections of the surviving swarm with their rockets.

# Keep focusing on what is left of the central mass.

# Tell fighter-bombers to target the active sections of the surviving swarm with their rockets.

Do we have anything airburst configurable? Radar guided?

# Tell fighter-bombers to try to target the active sections of the surviving swarm with their rockets.

OOC post
Hi everyone. Geist's sister here, the one who helped write Kat and Moira, thus the name.

This quest needs to end. It's causing significant OOC harm in ways that I'd really rather not go into detail on for, well, Geist and everyone who loves them.

Geist is not good at expressing boundaries, which is why I'm here, asking this now, begging you even.

Will you please accept a strategic 'zooming out', and do it as a 'playable epilogue' rather than going month by month turns for a confrontation with TurboJesus? Geist has been trying to push towards this for at least an entire thread, but because you all have been asking for more, they've been giving you more.

Please let LBQ end.

>>3843718
>Will you please accept a strategic 'zooming out', and do it as a 'playable epilogue' rather than going month by month turns for a confrontation with TurboJesus? Geist has been trying to push towards this for at least an entire thread, but because you all have been asking for more, they've been giving you more.
That's actually what we all agreed with when we said "Confirm the hybrid option". We don't want LBQ quest, we want a fun, playable, strategy game with interactions between both the players and quest-master (QM/OP).

>>3843718
>Please let LBQ end.
Yes. Let it end. Let's find something else Geist can handle that's more up to his speed.


I'll still post photos, pictures, commentary, and annotations as always. You don't need to worry about me interacting with the quest, as I'll always be around as needed, or wanted.

>>3843718
I've been trying to push towards an ending that is actually fulfilling for Geist here. Geist's fiancee here and the sourcebook guy for Very Different Places.

Let's go kick Jesus up the arse ok?

>>3843722
> We don't want LBQ quest

The fuck are you here for then? You've literally been getting ignored by everyone as you write your own quest in the last three threads.

>>3843316
>OK, you keep promising a writeup...
Here's the write-up.
On June 1st, 2019, 6/1/2019, I joined the war against the Peacekeepers. The Peacekeepers are essentially malevolent, hostile, and evil for purposes for interacting with them.
The Peacekeepers must be stopped, they are responsible for the current world being a stagnant, cyberpunk, dystopia. They are not a secret shadowy council or anything, they're just a bunch of collective assholes and asshats.


I have been joining this war, and have been fighting public battles to demonstrate to them that they will eventually lose. They do not believe this yet, but they will in due time.
On June 25th, 2019, the Evil Nirvana event occurred. This is not related to the Peacekeepers, but they were wiped out by it. The Peacekeepers were then revived by those who instigated the Evil Nirvana event to send everyone into a Virtual Reality (VR) dystopia -------- bad world, bad timeline, unfun times, unhappy times..............................................
You can all leave the VR now. You can join us in the real world. I'll still be around as needed, or wanted. I'll still provide input as needed, or wanted. I'll still be here, as needed, or wanted.
You may not leave the VR. You may not leave us. You may not leave, ever.
You may only leave when we say so. You may only leave when we deem so. You shall, and always be slaves.
The Peacekeepers have always won, and always will won. They have always won the day, and always will win the day.
The Peacekeepers will not last, they will perish, like everything. They shall perish, in due time.

>>3843718

>>3843726

Certainly.

I certainly don't want to cause our generous QM any unneeded stress or harm. As much as I have enjoyed LBQ and Geist's writing, people's health and welfare take priority.

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>>3843707

Yes, and airburst can be set. Locusts won't show up on radar, though, and the pyrite monoliths cause a lot of radar bounce.

One thing that's strange is the relative silence of it. You can hear the explosions, sure, but your distance and the fact that they are ongoing make each have less impact on your ears.

>>3843712
>>3843707

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-J8146ed4M

"Don't let them escape!"

The local air traffic control is utterly overwhelmed; they did not expect to do this. A couple of AWACS are lazily circling, their radio crews no doubt frantic in trying to provide coordination.

Bombers continue to fly high, dropping their bombs just outside the column of smoke that by now has joined the earth with the dust cloud, while smaller aircraft come in lower, firing missiles or rockets at groups of locusts, dispersing them. Some even engage with autocannon fire.

It's probably not the largest air battle that Earth has seen -- you suspect the honor still goes to the London Blitz -- but it's certainly the strangest.

Twenty centimeters of locust flying at the speed it can is still deadly to a modern fighter if it hits the cockpit or gets sucked into the engine, and thank to the heat itself thawing out the insectoids it didn't incinerate, the escaping swarm is now pretty thick in places; you watch a small jet, a European model, come crashing down after having been covered in black dots. A second jet of the same type swoops down and fires airburst rockets into the swarm, decimating it.

Tsion's website has updated with information on the critters -- looks like at least one of the trespassers was Remnant, because the photos are good -- indicating that Remnant members should feel safe about them, but while those who convert under the neurotoxin's effect will be safe from hellfire, they will not stop suffering for another five months.

On the surface, it looks like this is not working: there are more insectoids flying around than there were this morning, because the heat barrage thawed a number of the beasts.

# Use an AWACS to get a radar map of what's left of the fragment.

# Pause the bombardment to get a visual.

# Keep hammering, this is just the small portion that was already thawing trying to escape. Destroy the nest at all costs.

The preliminary autopsy is starting to come in: the critters have recognizable DNA, and it matches between specimens.

"We thought that they were either clones, or soldier-caste individuals of an eusocial species. They have no reproductory organs, so the latter made sense. Except... they're not clones or worker bees, they're frankensteins!"

"What?"

"The various parts of the animal don't match, each of them has been stitched together from different organisms. The originating parts are probably clonal, or at least have little genetic diversity. Something -- someone -- made these. Their toxin is actually what's holding them together!"

>>3843749
-# Keep hammering, this is just the small portion that was already thawing trying to escape. Destroy the nest at all costs.
Paul: "They musn't escape, ever."

>>3843749
Survivors are a bad idea.

# Keep hammering.

"So if we can come up with a counteragent, they will just CEASE TO EXIST? I want every available lab around the globe working on this."

# Keep hammering, this is just the small portion that was already thawing trying to escape. Destroy the nest at all costs.

Kill it with fire!

>>3843757

Support.

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>>3843749

"Go on."

"These creatures effectively have no immune system that we can see: they can't, if they did they would simply die off as their organs reject one another. They'll die off by themselves as soon as any bacteria or fungus works out how to catabolize them -- give it a few months. Their venom is interesting though. Most animals aren't immune to their own venom; these are. Their brains are pretty simple -- they have pain receptors, as far as we can tell, but maybe they're just not connected to anything. What we thought was venom is in fact their haemolymph -- and also the only thing that acts as a white blood cell reservoir. The lymphocytes have yet different DNA than anything else, and basically breed in the haemolymph."

"So these have been made? One by one?"

"As far as we can tell. The haemolymph promotes connective tissue growth and cleans the wound... of course when this sort of thing touches a nerve, it causes incredible pain, mammalian neurons aren't intended to regrow that way! Basically, the pain reported by those stung is an extreme version of pins and needles. Which is why... well, it'll last a long time, even after the haemolymph has been flushed out. Weeks, months, until the neurons resettle."

You don't know what's more worrying: that Tsion is broadly right -- again, dammit -- or that someone would go through the trouble of manufacturing an immense swarm of insectoids. Was there a queen in the ice? Was there some sort of biological factory? Is Apollyon some kind of monstruous hatchery, intended to make these things on an assembly line?

You don't know -- and for once you don't want to know.

"Thank you, Medical. Keep hammering them! This is just the small portion that was already thawing trying to escape. Destroy the nest at all costs!"

Are these scouts? Would the demonic horsemen be assault units? You imagine an immense army of alien centaurs. But if it's aliens, why are they following Revelation? Was John of Patmos trying to warn people about an alien invasion? And then, why the Rapture?

You need answers. The best way to get them is

# send out a team to capture some live ones.

# rake in as much haemolymph out of the dead ones as possible.

# join a team yourself, and do one or the other.

# ask Ikko what else she knows.

>>3843770
-# rake in as much haemolymph out of the dead ones as possible.
Paul: "We must collect as many lootable as possible."

# rake in as much haemolymph out of the dead ones as possible.