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You are Alberich: knight, serial killer, familiar to two magi, dubiously related to the gods, and kidnapper. Today you know that your most concerted, and perhaps most dangerous, enemy is your double: Yumigawa Rushorou, a young man with your memories of the Akeldama, your personality, and your first Servant, Circe.
On the night of Wednesday, November 13, 2019, you found yourself in a dimly lit stone basement, standing in the middle of a magic circle. You had been summoned as a Servant, a legendary warrior contracted after their death to fight alongside a magus for the Holy Grail, their existence sustained by the mystic energy of their summoner. In your case, however, you were conned by Judas Iscariot into taking his place despite not being a legendary warrior. At least his magic empowered you enough to fill the role.
After spending a few days learning about the Holy Grail War and your surroundings, you and your Master went into battle and met with utter defeat. Though you expected to die with the expiry of the magical energy he supplied you, however, he had prepared for his death. You were contracted in the aftermath to his younger sister, Shijou Ayaka.
The two of you have fared better, in large part due to her ability to transfer a portion of the power held by the foes you've slain to you. In the days since that transfer of contract, you have fought many battles. Rider, Berserker, and Archer have died by your hand. Saber, the Servant who slew your first Master, has been captured and imprisoned in your home, to be tormented at your leisure. You found yourself in a tentative alliance with the last War's survivors, the Emiya family, only to be compelled by circumstance to betray them after discovering that they mean to dismantle the Holy Grail which is your only chance to survive beyond the end of the War. Since, you've made a more serious alliance with, and conceived a deep affection for, Liliesviel von Einzbern; a girl who calls you her brother, having led a love-starved life and desiring it in any form.
Most importantly, you've discovered two truths about your identity: first, that you are an artificial soul. Originally made as a duplicate of Yumigawa Rushorou, you have surpassed humanity through Judas' careful planning of your existence. Second, that your basis, Yumigawa Rushorou, believes your power to be his by right, and will stop at nothing to seize it.
None of your experiences have changed your goal, however. Whether or not your life has been by the design of another, and regardless of who stands in your way, there is only one path before you. You will take the Holy Grail, and with it your survival, with your own hands.
Four Servants remain to fall by your sword.

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Although you do briefly consider simply going along with Kōrakuhime down to the dining room, the thought of waiting around while she cooks for a half-hour or an hour doesn't particularly appeal, and you do feel there are more profitable ways to spend your morning. What, then, to do, though? What would be the most useful way to use the time until breakfast, you consider. You could, of course, go and wake up your guest, but what you might discuss with Liliesviel is uncertain. You can hardly explain your position regarding Yumigawa to her, after all, and although you would like the opinion of another magus on how best to derive some use from your capture of Saber, Liliesviel seems more likely to demand that you promptly execute the captured Servant than to help you bring about the kind of poetic revenge you desire.

There's an idea, though. You can while away the time with Arturia. The knowledge that Harris has deserted her completely and found a new Servant is certain to plunge the woman into new and delicious depth of despair. Perhaps, in the absence of her last hope of escape, she may even become cooperative. Surely, if you are to learn the method behind the mysterious magical technique which Harris used to match your speed and escape, there can be no better source than his former Servant.

In this way, your mind happily filling with anticipation of Arturia's crushed expression upon the discovery of her Master's abandonment, you descend into the basement workshop, pass by Kōrakuhime's paper-strewn worktable, and continue on to the stone cell housing your prisoner. As you turn the corner into the room you take in a surprising detail. Although most things in the room, the luxurious couch, the circle of bobbing talismans, and the carven barrier, are just as you found them the last time you paid a call to your prisoner, one detail is different. This time, she's awake and vigilantly watching the door. Although she remains straightfaced, you can detect a hint of dismay in her eyes when she recognizes you as the person entering.

"Hoping for a visit from someone else?" You smile at her as you walk around the couch to drop down into a lounging seat, crossing one leg lazily over the other.

"Why should I hope for anything here?" Arturia's voice is cold and hard, her will broken by neither her energy-starvation nor her stiff, solitary conditions of confinement. "Everyone in this house is an enemy to me. Demonstrating that was the reason for your visit last night, I am sure. What sort of torment is it to be today, then? Not pain, I suppose, as you have not brought your 'sister' with you."

"Oh, Arturia," you sigh in mock hurt. "You hold such a low opinion of me. It is a painful thing for a man, you know: to be hated by a beautiful woman. Why don't you smile, and behave in a more friendly manner? Perhaps by appealing to my softer nature, you might arouse compassion in me, and make good your escape."
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Arturia clicks her tongue at this in evident frustration. "So it's to be mockery today, then," she concludes. "Do you have nothing better to do with your time than to goad me?"

"No," you reply, "I haven't come only to make small talk with you, much as I enjoy it. I've come to give you a rather significant piece of news, which I think you'll be grateful to have heard."

"Speak, then," she answers wearily. "If you have come only to gloat over some victory you have won, then do it quickly and begone."

"Not at all." You restrain a chuckle at Saber's misinterpretation of the nature of your news. "What I have to tell you is intimately important to you, Arturia. You see, we have watched over your Master since you were captured, to ensure that if he attempted to recapture you he would be unsuccessful. What I discovered last night; just a short time after our previous conversation, in fact; was that he has made a new contract. Your Master, Arturia, has found a new Servant."

For a few moments, Arturia doesn't reply. Her lips go white as she presses them together in a tight, flat line, and she looks down, not meeting your eyes. Finally, though, anger overcomes restraint and she looks at you with rage in her eyes, snapping, "Why should I believe that from you, liar? You have me here only to torment me, as a balm for the wound I dealt your pride when we first did battle! This is no more than a ruse, calculated to enable you to savor my reaction! You contemptible wretch!"

Now it's your turn to hold back anger. Only the knowledge of her powerlessness enables you to blunt the edge of the anger that surges up at her accusation with mirth. Nevertheless, your voice and eyes go hard as you reply, "You are fortunate Kōrakuhime is not here; she would already be sending agony through you for that sort of language." You shrug your shoulders then, and allow a gentle, almost friendly smile to rise to your face. "I, however, am more restrained. As I told you before, it is my hope that you will eventually become an ally of ours. As to your points, I do not ask you to trust me; only that you not allow indignation to blind you to natural reason."

"And what do you mean by that?" Arturia spits.

"Consider the barrier that surrounds you," you begin in a reasonable tone, like a teacher leading a student towards the truth. "You have felt that you are cut off from your Master since your arrival here, haven't you?"

"I have," she concedes, still guarded.

"Well then, the conclusion is plain to see," you say, turning a hand palm-up as if to hand her the notion. "Your Master will have felt the same sensation that you have. In his case, however, the one 'cut off' is his Servant, last seen battling an enemy who lived through the altercation. It would be only natural for him to assume that the reason for your severed connection is not capture, but death. Hence, he has found a new Servant."
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As Arturia takes in your words, the despair you've been waiting to see at last washes over her features. Losing control, she slumps in her bonds, hanging her head in defeat.

"You believe me now, then?" You can't resist the urge to gloat a bit.

"I don't believe you," Arturia sighs, "but I cannot deny the logic of what you say. If Harris has not found a new Servant already, that man surely will do so soon."

"Ah, well," you remark,. "I suppose I shall have to earn your trust in time. Since you understand, however, that Harris is no longer your Master, I wonder if you might humor me by telling me about him. It has been difficult to gather concrete information on the man's abilities, and I believe you can help me in that regard."

"I have no reason to aid you," Arturia retorts, the steely resolve already coming back into her voice. "If there is no alternative but death, I implore you to kill me."

"You would go so far for a man who has abandoned you?" you ask in disbelief. "Don't you wish to live on, when all you need do is something that cannot harm you? Don't you care for self-preservation at all?"

Arturia scoffs at your incredulity. "From the way you speak," she says, "I am tempted to believe your words about being a living Servant. Death in this time holds no meaning for those of us with our own lives and legends. To have failed to attain the Grail, and been captured, is already the same as death; hastening my demise now will only hasten my opportunity to return and seize the Holy Grail in the next War."

You give Arturia a long look, but she doesn't seem to be bluffing. Once you're certain, you nod, commenting, "What heroic stoicism. Very well then, Arturia; you give me no choice. Although it is a shame to lose you, I will give you the death you desire if you answer my questions about your former Master."

She returns your calculation, staring into your face and probing for lies. Evidently what she sees there satisfies her, however, because she eventually acquiesces in a drained, defeated voice. "If what you say is true, and that man is no longer my Master, then I no longer owe him my loyalty. I accept your proposal, Alberich. What is it that you wish to know?"

"Excellent," you exclaim. "To begin with, then, I would like to hear what you know about the details of his magic. You must have seen it, that strange ability to move at speeds beyond human limits and slow his enemies. How does he accomplish it? Is there a way to overcome it?"

"I know very little about magic," Arturia says, "so I cannot tell you the method behind it, but I am familiar with the power you refer to. He was even able to defeat me with it for a time, in our sparring. It is a strange magical technique that creates an area around him in which anything which moves faster than he is slowed, and his own speed and power are enhanced to exceed the slowed enemy. However powerful you may be, within the effect of his magic that man has the advantage."
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"And yet you say he defeated you only 'for a time'," you interject. "How did you overcome the magic?"

"Simple," Arturia replies. "He can only use it for a short time. I believe it is more taxing on him to slow a faster enemy, but in any case, if you can remain close to him until he is forced to break the spell, he will be as helpless as any other human faced with a Servant."

"So that's what it is," you muse. "It must require an enormous amount of magical energy to sustain the magic." Returning your attention to Arturia, you continue, "Is there anything else I should be aware of regarding his techniques?"

"Only that he is a master of personal combat, and capable of imbuing his strikes with a property that destroys other mages' techniques," Arturia says, "but if you have already seen his power over force, I doubt you are unaware of these details."

"Excellent," you say. "Thank you, Arturia. Good morning to you." With that, you get up and walk out, heedless of her protestations. As you make the assent to the living room, it strikes you that there is no tantalizing smell of breakfast reaching your nose. Odd, as Kōrakuhime should have been cooking by now. Wondering idly about the unusual detail, you walk to the kitchen to check in on her. Within, you perceive a scene of carnage. Two women stand on opposite sides of the kitchen, facing one another with masks of politeness that do nothing to hide the burning resentment motivating their dialogue.

"I insist," Stengel is saying as you look in, icy tone complimenting her strained smile. "Lady Liliesviel has ordered me to treat Lord Alberich as her equal, and this means that I really must prepare the morning meal for the two of them. You must simply rest, and allow yourself to compromise your sense of hospitality on this occasion."

"You really mustn't... put yourself to the trouble," Kōrakuhime replies, plainly every bit as determined not to give in, if somewhat less visually expressive. "You are just as much our... guest as Einzbern-san is, and should not feel... compelled to do any sort of work in our home. I will prepare breakfast for everyone." While speaking she must have seen you out of her peripheral vision, for just then she looks over to see you, smiles in triumph, and says, "Ah, Saber-san, I see you're up and... about. Perhaps you can help me convince Einzbern-san's maid that she need not... attend her normal duties while a guest here."

Kōrakuhime isn't the only one relying on your appearance, though. Stengel, too, in a reversal of her usual attitude towards you, looks at you as if seeing her deliverer. Upon your entrance into the room, she curtsies deferentially and, keeping her eyes lowered so as not to meet your gaze directly, says, "Lord Alberich, I apologize for troubling you, but I would be immensely grateful if you might do me the kindness of explaining the requirements of my position to Miss Shijou."
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>[ ] Take Kōrakuhime's side and have her prepare breakfast. Familiar flavors are best, after all.

>[ ] Take Stengel's side and have her prepare breakfast. You'd like to taste the sort of breakfast Liliesviel is accustomed to.

>[ ] Intervene directly and make breakfast yourself. You're sure it'll go better now that you have two hands.

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3903385
>>[ ] Intervene directly and make breakfast yourself. You're sure it'll go better now that you have two hands.
Yes, this is
sure to go
-fantastically-
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>>3903385
>[ ] Intervene directly and make breakfast yourself. You're sure it'll go better now that you have two hands.
What could go wrong?
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>>3903385
>Why don't we all cook together?
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>>3903422
Hahaha, you know what.
Even better.
>>3903385
>>3903399
Switching from this
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>>3903428
I think that "two hands" bit means we'll be cooking together.
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>>3903385
>>3903422
FUN TIMES AHEAD
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>>3903433
No, it means last time we tried to cook, we were an amputee.
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>>3903436
Yeah Circe had just removed our hand to use to make Kenotis.
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Maybe we can actually learn how to cook from these two!
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>>3903422
This. We have a lot of people to cook for now. I'd like to bring some down for Saber as well
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>voting to cook together
Guys, your not seeing the big picture here. Imagine the expression of absolute devastation, the soul-crushing depression we would undergo, our Pride points melting away as Lily asks who the hell made the mediocre schlock that we called a breakfast that morning.
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Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>3903385
Let's roll for >>3903422
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>>3903523
THE RETURN OF THE DICE
alternatively, we just read a cookbook
alternatively, we just follow instructions.
>>3903521
Alberich isn't stupid, he can follow instructions for cooking.
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>>3903521
>>3903529
I'm talking about if we opted to do it ourselves.
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>>3903521
imagine the look on her face when she sees the look on alberich's face
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>>3903532
Oh well, that's something we really don't want.
>>3903533
Looks like Ayaka route is raised from the ashes like a Phoenix.
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>>3903534
But anon, it would be funny. Maybe not so much now, that I probably guessed how it would go down, but still.
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>>3903385
>[ ] Intervene directly and make breakfast yourself. You're sure it'll go better now that you have two hands.
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>>3903422
>>3903385
Lets do this

Also, Arturia..... You deserve everything you get.
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>>3903385
This>>3903422
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>>3903422
Well now! That's one way to try and settle a rivalry.

>>3903582
Pretty harsh of you.
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>>3903385
>>3903422

>Why don't we all cook together?

Kitchen warrrrrrr
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>>3903381
>[ ] Intervene directly and make breakfast yourself. You're sure it'll go better now that you have two hands.
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Looks like you're suggesting everyone work together, then, This will be a very strange breakfast...

By the way, I've realized that I neglected to describe Tsubaki's appearance now that she's no longer hanging around in bed and leaving her horns on. Today she's wearing a red and white dress and put her hair up in a ponytail. Of course she's done away again with the red layer of hair and horns. Very much like the attached image, sans ahoge and cheerful demeanor.
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>>3903523

So if we're that decent at cooking, how good would Titania be?

She'd probably have magic servants to do it for her, I'd imagine. Unless she's cooking for her special man. In which case, she'd do it all by herself and do embarrassingly cute things like drawing a ketchup heart on an omelette.
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>>3904244
>Unless she's cooking for her special man
Who unfortunately for her, doesn't exist because of his own shortsightedness.
Isn't it sad, Titania?
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>>3904244
Oh man, the "peons must do everything for me" loli queen venturing into the kitchen to do her own cooking for Oberon and adding cutesy flourishes. That's just so adorable it hurts. She'd insist on feeding him, too.
Naturally, she'd summon up some kind of culinary fairy from the Reverse Side to tutor her in preparing food, since only the best is worthy of the royal palate. I love it.
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>>3904260
She can't be that bad of a cook without a tutor, right?
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>>3904352
>she manages to somehow burn cereal

>>3904260
Just wait until she makes Valentine's Day chocolate for her beloved to see her at peak cuteness.
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Odds that they bully us over our relative ineptitude?
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>>3904919
Not if they know whats good for them.
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>>3904932
See, this is why I wanted Lily to bully us.
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>>3904260
>>3904244

Cue her doing cutesy lovey-dovey magic with plenty of magic hearts, sparkles, and stars while she prepares and cooks.
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>>3905479
A homunculus startles her by interrupting to bring her news of the rebels, which ruins her cooking. As punishment it is chopped up by the wings she projects behind her, which are actually portals.
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What do you guys actually want to do with Saber? It seems like she won't be a reliable ally unless she's altered.
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>>3906439
Bully her.
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>>3906439
I want Tsubaki to figure out how to make Command Spells so we can control her; after that we can work on breaking down her personality and building her up again as a fanatic.
>>3906443
also based
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>>3906439
I say if she wants to die then have her die going out with a bang. Send her loose on Odin, if she dies she gets what she wants and in honorable combat AND Odin will be a bit weaker for us to finish him off. If she lives then she is beyond lucky and quite skilled. Maybe we can talk about her joining up after that.
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>>3906476
Command spells only go so far against Saber considering her magic resistance. Altering her seems like a far more reliable choice to me.
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If only Ayaka's elder sister existed in this timeline.
She'd have far more luck winning Alberich's heart than Ayaka does.
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>>3906507
Also, because of Roothax, she'd almost certainly be better at Magic than even Circe or Odin.
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>>3904938
That'd be quite a shift, there. She'd be more likely to get flustered over accidentally insulting your cooking and try to reverse her meaning somehow.

>>3906443
Now that's roleplaying.

>>3906507
For real. She's so cute, I had to cut her from the story because none of the other heroines would have a chance.
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>>3906505
Altering her is a blatant trap.
>saber was enslaved by satan and we can trigger that state again
>so it will definitely work exactly as intended and not cause an immediate dead end (or worse, an unrestrained alter servant on the loose and the return of angra mainyu)
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>>3906533
To me it's more of just hijacking the same method that Angra Mainyu used to control her, which was obviously effective. There's nothing to suggest that it would bring him back or give him control over her.
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You'll just have to make do with the shadowy traces of dead family members you've got, I suppose.
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>>3906537
>there are traces in her spirit of another method of subjugation, some sort of... transformative magical enslavement. If I could induce that state once again, it is... possible that we might be able to control her without the aid of... her Command Spell
Hime says that she can recreate that state, which means Altering Saber. Now, how is she going to Alter someone when she isn't AM? Most likely by awakening the dormant influence inside her. And what will that do? Put her under AM's control, obviously.
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>>3906526
>That'd be quite a shift, there.
I was only speaking of her blind first impression.
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I honestly don’t see why Alberich would really be keeping her alive. He KNOWS that the Grail War is fucky due to Akeldama shenanigans, so Manjew is not obviously involved in what’s going on. We’ve already got enough information regarding Harris that she really really has nothing left to tell us, excluding explaining what went down in the previous Wars.

So, She utterly despises us, wants to die, and should give us BIG STATS when we absorb her essence. With big players like Odin and powered up Circe, I think now would be the best time for it. Unless we can figure out a way to get her on out side very soon.
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>>3906633
Indeed
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>>3906633
>I honestly don’t see why Alberich would really be keeping her alive.
>She wants to die
Hey hey, you've answered your own question.
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>>3906652
Point, but at this stretch she has no further purpose to serve. Alberich has already ridiculed her to the point where his own wounded pride should be satisfied, and we have pretty much all the information she can offer.

Not killing her is just dragging things out, as we’ve toyed around with her on plenty of occasions already and it’s getting kind of stale going to the dungeon for us to mock hurt when she says something mean about us. This is really the only time we’ve gotten anything of value out of her anyway, and even then it wasn’t particularly game-changing.

I’m ready for snack time already.
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That is why I am saying give her some mana and have her go attack Odin. Whoever loses we absorb and the winner is weakened enough for us to finish off.
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>>3906633
>>3906668
If we eat her the corruption inside her goes into us.
Also, I suspect we can't get Excalibur or Invisible Air from eating her because they aren't properties of her soul, just weapons she carries that the Grail registers as her NP. It's the same case as Avalon, which normally isn't listed as an NP because she doesn't have it on her.
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So, as you know I've had a lot of trouble finding time to sit down and write lately. Since I tend to do long updates, this has led to long delays. Well, for the time being I'm giving up. After having had no time at all to write yesterday and only a little time today, I'm posting a short update. In order to eliminate the constant hiatuses I've been having lately, this will probably be how I do things for a while until my schedule clears up again.
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This, you think, could be troublesome. The argument playing out in front of you is all too reminiscent of the spats that broke out between Circe, Adelheid, Kikuko, and Truvietianne during your last few days in the Akeldama. While you took no action in those cases, you don't think it wise to remain so passive now. What seemed amusing at the time could easily have grown into a serious problem for your War effort. Now you have enough reason to worry over the divide between Ayaka and Liliesviel, without adding a conflict between Kōrakuhime and Stengel to the mix. If possible you'd like to resolve this quarrel peacefully, but you're sure that choosing either's cooking over the other's will exacerbate matters. That being the case, perhaps the best way to settle things would be for the two to collaborate on breakfast.

"Why don't we all cook together?" you suggest, smiling as openly at the two rival cooks as if you've been taken in by their own strained facades of pleasantry and believe they have no resentment for one another. Unfortunately, your suggestion does not have quite the mollifying effect you'd hoped it might. Kōrakuhime breaks off eye contact at your words, her gaze wavering towards a point somewhere in the space near your right elbow, while Stengel appears taken aback at the suggestion.

"Lord Alberich, please, you really mustn't do such a thing," the maid insists, sounding affronted by the notion. "You were present when Lady Liliesviel expressly ordered me to treat you as her equal; I cannot have you taking a hand in menial work."

"That's right, Saber-san," Kōrakuhime interjects, agreeing with Stengel for the first time. "Cooking really... isn't something you need to involve yourself with. If you'll just... wait for breakfast to be ready, we can have this discussion... sorted out soon enough."

"Nonsense!" You heartily overrule the pair's objections, taking some satisfaction in seeing their discomfort no longer focused on one another. "Stengel, if your mistress has ordered you to treat me with as much respect as you owe her, you'll obey my orders as well and let me help you prepare breakfast if I please. As for you, Miss Tsubaki, there's no need to worry on my behalf. Now, what shall we cook?"

The two exchange an uneasy glance before seeming to come to a silent agreement and acquiescing to your forcible interjection into the kitchen. After deliberating for a few moments over the dish, Kōrakuhime speaks up first.

"A... traditional breakfast would be best," she declares. "Grilled mackerel, rice, miso soup, and pickled vegetables; there is... no need for anything else in the morning."

"Absurd!" Stengel promptly flares up at this suggestion. "Lady Liliesviel always requires sweet foods at breakfast. Today she will have pancakes topped with a persimmon compote, served with black tea."
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"Really. That is... no sort of meal to live on," Kōrakuhime pronounces derisively. "What... nutritional value is there in beginning one's day with... dessert? We must have a traditional, balanced meal for... breakfast."

"Any amount of nutrition is meaningless if the meal is so unsuitable for its recipient's palate that it goes uneaten," Stengel counters. "Whatever your views on the matter may be, Lady Liliesviel always has a sweet breakfast."

As it is, it seems there will be no resolution in the near future. The pair has come to yet another deadlock, and there's nothing for it but for you to step in and resolve their quarrel once again if you want to see breakfast completed.

>[ ] Argue in favor of a savory Japanese breakfast.

>[ ] Argue in favor of a sweet Western breakfast.

>[ ] Suggest something else (Write in)
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Quickly, find some Japanese sweets!
We need to make something nutritious that Lily will swallow.
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>>3906771
>[ ] Argue in favor of a savory Japanese breakfast.
>[ ] Suggest something else (Write in)
"I think Liliesviel might appreciate the change from Continental cuisine; it must be boring to eat much of the same every morning. We can make some pudding or mochi for dessert, or perhaps the lady might enjoy baumkuchen?"
you can see i know nothing about japanese cuisine
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>>3906771
>>[ ] Argue in favor of a sweet Western breakfast.
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It's a shame Sweets doesn't like the idea of Ruler.
Being able to gank Jeanne and steal EX rank Magic Resistance would be lovely.
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>>3906771
>[ ] Argue in favor of a sweet Western breakfast.
They're the guests here.
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>>3906816
>MR comes from protection of god
>therefore alberich has to become a christian
judas approves but odin is disappoint
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>>3906841
It might just switch from God to gods in general.
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>>3906842
Bit of a moot point anyway, since we can't recreate the circumstance of being protected by any god.
Actually, now that I'm looking at her sheet she's hardly worth eating.
>class skills don't match Saber container
>MR comes from being protected by God, therefore unreplicable
>Saint is also unreplicable because Alberich isn't a saint
>Charisma is only one rank higher
>Revelation is unreplicable because we have nobody to reveal things to us
>La Pucelle is an inferior suicide attack to Kosmos Ouroboros
Lumiose Eternelle is the only thing worth copying, and it has no synergy with our NPs. Also, it's explicitly stated that only French heroes who saw Jeanne in life can use it, which makes it unusable to Alberich.
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>>3906771
>[ ] Argue in favor of a savory Japanese breakfast.
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>>3906526
I wonder how a side story where Vaisset was replaced with Manaka would go.
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>>3906894
We'd probably hate Harris a lot more
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>>3906897
>implying Harris would beat her
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>>3906898
She'll underestimate him and die like the rest.
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>>3906899
You really shouldn't underestimate her yourself.
Manaka is one of the most powerful characters in the Fate universe.
She planned to summon a Beast just to boost her own power.
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>>3906905
you don't understand that Harris has weaponized his jobbing aura
circe will job
odin will job
the beasts will also job
gilgamesh will job so hard he dies offscreen
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>>3906909
Anon she blocked an attack from a top tier Lancer (Byrnhildr) with a single finger.
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>>3906915
A scene which could be recreated if this were to occur in the same alternate route in which you summoned Lancer at the beginning of Fate/City Akeldama...
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>>3906915
That was because Bryn had no love for her. Brynhildr Romantia's attack damage depends on how much love she has for her enemy, not how much force she exerts. I'm shitposting
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>>3906919
I forget which thread you mentioned all the other Servant options.
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>>3906919
The scene where Lily bullied Ayaka would turn out way differently if Manaka was our Master instead.
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>>3906924
I'm not sure if I ever went down a list, but I've mentioned the other ideas I had at the beginning a few times. Caster Circe, Lancer Brynhildr, Pseudo-Servant Archer Odysseus, Caster Orpheus if summoned by another Master...
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>>3906940
For Rushorou's Archer, I think the queen of the Amazons would have been a good choice. She could be a tsundere, very proud and disrespectful of a weak modern man like you at the beginning, but with the potential to form a grudging respect for you.
Not sure about where I might have gone with Rider. Maybe Brynhildr again, in her secondary class? Possibly Queen Medb, bringing some Celtic mythology into the mix? I don't know.
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>>3906999
>Not sure about where I might have gone with Rider.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate/Grand_Order_-_Ushiwakamaru)
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/True_Rider
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>>3906999
>queen of the Amazons
Strange Fake already has Hippolyta though, as Rider. She's comparable in strength to Archer Heracles/Alcides too, according to Enkidu's presence detection.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/True_Rider

>Medb
Please God no.
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>>3907000
It bugs me that Hippolyta is a Rider in Strange Fake. The Hellenic Amazons were best known for their renowned prowess as archers, so why is she a fistfighter? I might have reworked her for Archer, or more likely have used a non-berserk Penthesilea.
Ushiwakamaru would be a good pick for Rushorou's Rider. Her personality is great, although her costume definitely needs some work.

>>3907004
>Medb
>Please God no.
It would've definitely been a power struggle of a relationship.
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>>3907011
If you wanted to make Odin sweat, there was one other option.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate/Extra_Last_Encore)
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>>3907015
>and then when Akeldama ends, Fenrir is just dumped into Tokyo at full power with absolutely nothing controlling him, just going around eating the population and any servant that tries to stop him.
BAD END.
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>>3907017
Oh and that's not even mentioning that with Soul Eater, the entire point of Akeldama will be ruined because Fenrir would just power up on every single servant it kills instead of it going to Akeldama.
You would have an uncontrollable Fenrir that has been boosted by the souls of 7/8(?) Servants set loose in a city, where it would only get more and more powerful and the strongest Servant in the war is conceptually weak to it, and it would have enough divinity to easily kill Achilles too.

It's a super bad end on the level of Kosmos Ouroborous.
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>>3907015
I don't care what anyone says, that thing is a monster; not any sort of heroic or antiheroic spirit.
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>>3907043
I mean, it's on the Moon Cell where all sorts of dumb shit happens and the throne isn't used for summoning, so it's fine in that regard.

I don't believe it could possibly exist on the Throne though.
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We're tied with only 4 votes. Would anyone who hasn't voted yet like to step in and resolve matters?
I was hoping this choice would have resolve over night and I could start writing the update this morning.
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>>3906771
>>3907078
I would've suggested making a sweet and savory dish bit of we really need to break this tie...

>[ ] Argue in favor of a sweet Western breakfast.
I always all my guests what they'd like to eat.
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>>3907088
I don't know, a compromise suggestion could be interesting, and you only need two anons on your side to get the majority vote. If you have a dish in mind, throw it out there.
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>>3907088
If you can think of a compromise, I'll switch to supporting it.
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>>3907091
Well, a breakfast has got to have a protein, a starch and fruit. You can probably make crepes with the persimmons and whatever pancake mix. I'm stumped on the proteins (the most important part).
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>>3907119
Hazelnuts?
Walnuts?
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>>3907128
This a thing, Sweets? We can put those with the crepes as well for texture.
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>>3907132
>This a thing, Sweets?
Hazelnuts do exist and contain protein, yes. I'm quite fond of them myself. If you're asking if I'm taking it as a write-in vote, sure. I'll count >>3907107 and >>3907119 as votes for making hazelnut and persimmon crepes.
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>>3907135
I’ll vote for the crepes too if there isn’t a majority yet.
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>>3907135
As will I, just to get over the voting
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>>3907302
I was >>3906863 by the way
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>>3907135
+1 for the crepes.

Also for Rush Rider, how bout...
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>>3907394
How about no.
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>>3907394
>Leonardo da Vinci is a woman
Huh? Why?
>He modified his spirit into his concept of human perfection, the Mona Lisa
Wait, but the Mona Lisa is a realist portrait, shouldn't he have made himself into the Vitruvian Man?
>Nope! It's Mona Lisa Da Vinci, shut up!
Well, alright, if you insist.
>Now Da Vinci-chan died, but don't worry, she came back as a loli!
Alright, Delight Works, what the fuck is wrong with you?

...What I'm trying to say with this dialogue is that I don't get the point of Lolinci.
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>>3907404
They needed another servant in order to give exposition on things at the same time they realised Mash is as bland as a sack of potatoes.
So therefore they turned Da Vinci into a woman.

The entire main cast of FGO is so horribly unlikable.
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>>3907404
I mean, don't get me wrong, The character design is great on its own. She's cute as a button, and I like magical girls as much as the next guy, but the backstory seriously makes no sense.

>>3907414
Yes, they did that. I get that. They turn lots of historical characters into women, and they at least put a little effort into explaining Da Vinci. What I don't get is why they killed Da Vinci off at the beginning of Part 2, and then revived her as a loli. Regular adult woman Da Vinci is already barely explained, and now you're supposed to accept that she's a little girl for some reason? This person whose whole appearance is based on a painting of an adult?
I stopped playing FGO in the middle of Epic of Remnant, though, so my understanding of Cosmos in the Lostbelt lore is and will remain fragmentary.
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>>3907420
Oh as for the loli thing.
Yeah I have no idea.
Money, if I had to guess.
It's always money.

Pseudo-Servant spam on already popular characters is proof enough that gacha money overrides any sense of integrity the series had left.

Check out this new Rin.
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>>3907430
Rin 4: now wearing Asuka's plug suit for compound tsundere!
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>>3906999
>the queen of the Amazons would have been a good choice. She could be a tsundere, very proud and disrespectful of a weak modern man like you at the beginning, but with the potential to form a grudging respect for you.
Literally my relationship goals. Sadly they will always be disappointed as they're laughably unrealistic.

>>3907430
Is that a Darth Maul pseudoservant?
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"Why don't we make something sweet, with a bit more variety in ingredients," you suggest, interposing yourself between the debating parties. "If we could prepare a nutritionally balanced meal that would suit Liliesviel's taste, everyone would be satisfied, no?"

"I suppose that would... be acceptable," Kōrakuhime concedes, nodding. "I suppose you have... something in mind?"

"If that is what you deem best," Stengel chimes in with a gleam in her eye, "I will be certain to inform Lady Liliesviel that you planned her breakfast, Lord Alberich. What do you suggest we prepare?"

On the spot, you consider the breakfast items you're familiar with. Growing up, Yumigawa always had traditional Japanese meals at home, so a sweet breakfast from his memories is unlikely. When you think of what you've had, though... there's Circe's kykeon when you were in the Akeldama, and since leaving you've had only fried eggs or more traditional meals from Ayaka, supplemented by french toast from Café Palmerston. Nothing that suits the requirements of the present moment. Then an idea does strike, though, something you remember Yumigawa's female schoolmates often talking about eating.

"Why don't we have crêpes?" you suggest. "We could fill them with a mild cheese like ricotta, and hazelnuts, in addition to the persimmon compote you had mentioned, Stengel. I think Liliesviel would enjoy that, don't you?"

"Yes, that should-"

Before Stengel can go on, Kōrakuhime cuts in, retorting, "That is... still a dessert, no more suitable than... her first suggestion for breakfast," in a cold tone.

"Come now, Miss Tsubaki," you chide gently. "There may not be any meat, but hazelnuts are a good source of energy. Why don't you let our guests enjoy the type of cuisine they're used to?"

At your insistence, the girl finally gives you a defeated look and mutters, "Very well."

So the three of you set about your collaborative meal, mostly taking instruction from Stengel as Kōrakuhime specializes in Japanese cooking and you're an amateur. With Stengel preparing the compote, Kōrakuhime the crêpes themselves, and you splitting the hazelnuts and whipping air into the cheese to render it appropriately fluffy for the dish, though, things progress fairly quickly. In what seems like no time at all, you and Kōrakuhime are left to stand back as Stengel puts the finishing touches on six servings of persimmon and hazelnut crêpes. Once the crêpes are prepared, Kōrakuhime sets the table as Stengel goes back upstairs to awaken her mistress and collect the rest of the Einzbern party, and five of you are soon seated at the long table in the dining room that has hitherto gone unused during your stay here. Odin, apparently, declined to join you for the meal.
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All in all, you think as you begin to eat, the meal turned out quite well. The crêpe holds together well while remaining pleasingly soft, and the flavors of the sweet and autumnally spiced persimmon compote, hazelnuts, and ricotta all combine perfectly in a rich, warm flavor. Your guests, too, seem appreciative. Liliesviel wears a rapturous expression as she eats, taking obvious pleasure in the meal. Stachel eats with zest, devouring her breakfast faster than anyone else at the table. Stengel takes clear satisfaction in her work, eating happily, though with far more restraint than her fellow maid. Only Kōrakuhime seems put off by the breakfast, looking pensive and dissatisfied as she eats.

"Delicious as always, Stengel," Liliesviel remarks cheerily after she's finished eating, "but you haven't made me crêpes in a long time. What made you want to cook them again now?"

"Thank you for your generous praise, Lady Liliesviel," the maid replies, "but the credit is not mine. This meal was Lord Alberich's suggestion. He insisted on helping to prepare the food, as well."

"Really?" Liliesviel gives you a wide-eyed, confused look. "Why did you do that, Onii-chan? Servants are supposed to deal with things like cooking, not us."

"Ah, but I am a Servant," you say with a wry smile. "It was only a whim. I have no doubt Stengel could have prepared us all a lovely meal on her own, but I thought I might enjoy taking a hand in the cooking."

"Is that so?" Liliesviel seems nonplussed by your explanation, looking at you blankly, but her lapse into silence lasts only a few moments. Then she seems to remember herself, and says, "Well, anyway, Onii-chan, I wanted to talk to you about that thing we discussed at my tower before, but," for a moment her eyes dart in Kōrakuhime's direction, "do you mind if we talk in German? It would be easier to explaining that way."

"By all means, if it makes you more comfortable," you reply, in that language. Her meaning is obvious, and there's no harm in humoring her; you can always tell Kōrakuhime what you spoke of later if the need arises.

"Thank you, Alberich," Liliesviel says, smiling. "When you suggested using the Heaven's Feel for two people to me, before, I wasn't certain it could be done, remember?"

"Of course," you nod. "Have you made a discovery in that direction?"

"I think so," Liliesviel says hesitantly. "It should be possible to use the Heaven's Feel to materialize your soul at the same time as mine, before the Holy Grail collapses, but in order to do so, you need to be connected to the Greater Grail more firmly, the way I am."

"To connect to the Grail in the same way you have," you echo, thinking. "Do you have a method of imparting the qualities of the Lesser Grail on another, Liliesviel? I would have thought such a thing almost impossible."
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"No," she shakes her head. "I can't make you into a Lesser Grail. Only Grandfather knows how to prepare one, and even if I could we might end up splitting the Servants' energy and ruining the whole War!" She looks horrified by the prospect; an emotion you share, considering it would mean the end of your hopes for survival. "It should be possible to for me to link you to it if we visit the Greater Grail together at the right point in the Heaven's Feel, though," she concludes.

"Why, that's wonderful!" you exclaim. "If that's so, then matters are practically resolved!"

Raising a finger as if to reprimand your jubilation, Liliesviel reminds you in a sterner tone, "It has to be at the right time, though, just like summoning a Servant! We can't just go and do this whenever we want, and if we don't do it at the right we could lose our chance to link you to the Greater Grail!"

"I see. In that case, I suppose it would mean the end for my chances of surviving via the Third Sorcery," you concur, excitement rapidly drained from your tone. Of course, it isn't as if you've already lost your chance, but even so; it isn't a pleasant prospect to imagine.

"Actually, there is one other ritual, if the first one fails," Liliesviel says hesitantly. "If we can't link you to the Greater Grail, linking you to the Lesser Grail would also make it possible." At this, she seems embarrassed for some reason; her blushing cheeks are died in rosy hue, and she lapses into an awkward silence, no longer meeting your eyes. One finger taps the table in an unconscious nervous tic. "B-but there's no reason to discuss that other method now," she says, speaking up again as if coming to a sudden decision and rushing her words. "We still have the first method open now, and you probably wouldn't want to perform that other ritual with me, anyway."

"I see," you reply in a neutral tone. For a moment you're tempted to probe further after information about the secondary ritual, but there's obviously some mysterious detail about it that makes it a sensitive topic for her, so you leave it be. "When should we visit the Greater Grail, then; and where is it?" you ask instead.

"Well, I realize I'm not giving you much notice, Alberich, but you don't do any fighting during the day anyway, right?" Liliesviel seems much more at ease again now, with the subject of the second ritual left behind. "We've got to go this afternoon, right after breakfast if you don't mind leaving right away. The Greater Grail is in a catacomb constructed below our Tower; Otto made sure it would be protected from that Caster who attacked us, but we'd still need to go there to reach it."
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That's one more piece of the puzzle of Circe's behavior filled in, then, her motivation for attacking Liliesviel. Odysseus already told you that she was trying to take the Grail for herself, rather than Yumigawa, and presumably whatever she intends to do with it requires that she perform some sort of magic on the Greater Grail. Hence, after discovering its location and that it was housed below a Servant's abode, she set about trying to destroy Liliesviel and Odin. As for the time, you had hoped to address the Yumigawa situation at some point today, while he would be unsuspecting of an attack. It's difficult to deny the importance of Liliesviel's proposed errand, however.

>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)

>[ ] Decline. You should be able to work out some other way to survive, and she did mention that second ritual. Right now, dealing with Yumigawa is all-important. (Pride)

>[ ] Answer in some other way (Write in)
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Alright, missed the chance to write this morning because of the tie we had earlier, but here's this that I got done in the afternoon. A rather more significant decision than the choice of breakfast items!
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>>3907715
>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)
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>>3907715
>>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)
Damn it, there goes the sneak attack option.
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>>3907715
>>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)
This is actually nice, if Circe tries to run interference she won't have the home-field advantage. Odin's coming too, right? We do need all the battlefield control we can afford so Circe can't ruin our day with some cheap-shot hex.
After we check out the Greater Grail we should go shopping for walkie-talkies and encryption equipment for future use.
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>>3907803
Oh shoot we need to bring Ayaka the leftovers so she doesn't get too engrossed in studying and starve!
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>>3907712
>"B-but there's no reason to discuss that other method now,"
It's...
It's one of *those* rituals, isn't it.
God damn it.

Also, linking ourselves to the greater grail huh?
A near unlimited energy-supply...
Where all of our best abilities are limited by our somewhat lacking mana reserves...

Oh dear.
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>>3907860
Of course it's one of those rituals! And Lily thinks we aren't lolicon enough to do it. We better clear up that worry.
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>>3907715
>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)
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>>3907715
>[ ] Go to the Greater Grail with Lily immediately. (Self-Preservation/Compassion)
Unlimited power, or illegal activitoes and killing ourself? Ez choise
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Threadly reminder that there's a non-zero chance of the Grail having AIDS.
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>>3908080
it's a different grail
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>>3908099
Yeah but you heard what the "hero" group said about that.
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>>3908200
>you heard what the "hero" group said about that
Did we ever get their house's phone number? Should we maybe check back with them sometime? May as well let them say their piece on why they think the Grail is still bad juju if possible.
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>>3907860
>A near unlimited energy-supply
I should probably clarify that it's only a source of nigh-limitless power after the Grail War is completed. Right now that power is all either being used to run the War (sustaining the Servants and whatnot) or being processed by the Lesser Grail, in the case of the power gained from the spirits of defeated Servants.
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>>3908516
Then what about Saber Alter in Heavens Feel?
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>>3908562
She was getting her energy from Sakura, who was able to provide her Servants with a ridiculous quantity of energy due to being a Lesser Grail and having eaten Gilgamesh along with half the town.
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Guys. I think choosing to go with Lily now might have locked us out of being able to save both Lily and Circe.
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>>3908590
Why?
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>>3908590
You don't say? Wow, what a surprising turn of events.
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>>3908590
You know what, fuck it. This will be the day Alberich gives up on women forever
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>>3908590
So if we bump off Circe that means now we can have the Adelheid+Odin Oji-san route.
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>>3908595
>>3908598
Attacking Caster's temple during the day is just going to go poorly for us anyway.
Our best bet lies in her trying to ambush us when we go check on the grail, I feel.

Then we have the biggest problem imaginable.
Trying to convince Circe but being unable to because Lily is right next to us.
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>>3908607
What if we didn't try to convince her immediately, but instead sent her a hidden message? Operation Nothingness Paper is a go
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>>3908612
Do you want to throw a nothingness paper airplane at her or something?
How do you intend to give her a message?
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>>3908590
Want to explain that?
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>>3908591
>>3908621
Idunno, it's just a feeling. The last time she attacked Lily was under the pretense that we had amnesia. Talking with Rushurou now kind of gets eid of that.
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>>3908625
>implying Rushorou is going to tell her.
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You know, in retrospect I really missed an opportunity here to run two simultaneous Fate/Awakening Mirror quests, one in which you play as Rushorou, and the other in which you play as Saber of Imaginary Numbers, telling each group of players that they were the real continuation of the Akeldama protagonist and giving conflicting lore information and whatnot. That could've been pretty cool. Pity I didn't have the idea at the time.
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>>3908631
We would probably be in the middle of the first Kōrakuhime encounter if you did that.
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>>3908607
>Trying to convince Circe but being unable to because Lily is right next to us.
"Listen, Caster, I'm not, er, what you and Yumigawa believe I am. The truth is that I still have complete memories of that thing, you know you what I mean. I'm the real one, you see."
Yeah, I can see how that might not go over so well.

>>3908648
It would require about double the amount of writing, that's true. Guess it isn't really a feasible concept.
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Should we preemptively spill the Akeldama beans to Lily? She’s bound to find out eventually. May as well have her know because we decided to talk rather than it being a surprise from team RushBOI
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>>3908662
>It would require about double the amount of writing, that's true. Guess it isn't really a feasible concept.
I could see it as a POV shift within thread, keeping a continuous timeline and just having us control whichever PC is more active at the moment.
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>>3908676
>"Hey you know that whole brother thing? I was lying the entire time in order to grow close to you in order to guarantee my survival."
Now, this might appease Circe, but Lily will take it poorly.
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>>3908764
We all KNOW she’s going to find out one way or the other eventually. The damage will be done, just how bad it is depends on how the information gets to her. I personally think coming clean in private of our own free will without anyone pushing us to do it is the safest way.
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>>3908782
Maybe, maybe.
God damn it, we really have gone the full retard route, huh?
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>>3909369
I have confidence that everything can be worked out. Already I can see the path to working things out.
First, we need to get connected to the Grail. I doubt Circe will ambush us in the catacombs because the place would favor us and Odin in a fight: her primary method of getting around high MR in a battle is to summon hordes of familiars, and a cramped place doesn't give her a lot of space to do that.
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>>3909400
Thank you, your optimism refreshes me.
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If you won't kill Circe for Lily...
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>>3909971
What?
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>>3909971
...you have shit taste and don't properly appreciate the chubby thighs of a loli ojou?
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>>3910006
The one with shit taste is you.
Circe still best girl.
Even if the current circumstances have led to a major misunderstanding.
It'll all be fine as long as it ends with Rushorou choking to death on his own blood.
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>>3910015
>Traitor witch still best girl
Unbelievable. If you still think that, you deserve whatever horrible shit she's gonna do to try and give Rushorou our power.
Lily's the obvious best girl, and we need to get started on that 2nd ritual ASAP.
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>>3910015
We are so fucked if we go for Circe. Remember how she got when we even talked to a female in Akeldama? If she's been paying attention to us at all this war than she'd probably still go for the Grail even if she knew the truth.
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>>3910024
>traitor witch
When did we start talking about Medea?
Is it really a betrayal if you're being tricked into it?
We should reserve our judgement until we actually fucking interact with her again.
Meanwhile, we betray Lily every single moment we interact with her intentionally in order to keep her as an ally.
>>3910028
I mean, we can play it off as all a part of our plan which she is RUINING SPECTACULARLY. Also, Alberich might not have acted like this if she wasn't busy playing pretend with some irrelevant human.
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>>3910040
You're really bending over backward to accommodate her. She's actively working against us.
As for betraying Lily, we're giving her the only real affection she's ever had and we're trying to get her the third magic. Maybe we did start with a lie, but if we come clean now we can still become her family in another way.
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>>3910072
>You're really bending over backward to accommodate her. She's actively working against us.
Anon, we don't really know how much she knows about what's going on but it's almost certainly not much more than Rushorou.

How is "let's not kill her immediately" bending over backwards for her? She can be given a single opportunity to fix her mistake.
She can be the one who kills Rushorou.

It's almost certain that she's been working under the impression that we're the superhuman power that was seperated from Yumigawa. Especially after our little Amnesia ploy she likely scryed.
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I really want to ask Lily if (instead of leaving IMMEDIATELY) it’s ok if we get about half an hour to “make preparations” to check up on the other factions to be forewarned of possible encounters, then after that try to break the news about being less than forthcoming to Lily in private before leaving.
She might be pissed enough to cancel going and tell us to die but she might also get over it. I don’t have time to write an apology script right now but maybe if the update is a ways off time-wise I could make something this evening.
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>>3910076
>Prove you love me by killing this guy you've known just as long as you've known me, who has my personality and all my memories of you.
Speaking of Medea, you sound like Jason! Also psychotic. Sounds like a plan to drive the obsessive bitch even crazier than she already is to me.
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>>3910095
>kill this fake who's impersonating me and stole my memories
Not nearly as heartless as you're making it sound.
But fine, there's another way to 'kill' Yumigawa Rushorou that is far crueller to the fake.
Merely have the last 20 or so days be erased from his memory by Circe.
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>>3910117
>fake who's impersonating me and stole my memories
Right, cause Rushorou definitely set out to take our memories and knows he isn't really us.
Oh wait.
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>>3910190
Then there's no issue erasing them, is there?
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Although you consider the two alternatives for a few moments, between hurrying along the resolution of your imitator and addressing what is possibly your only opportunity to secure your existence after the Holy Grail War, you have to conclude that visiting the Greater Grail with Liliesviel is the more important.

"That certainly is short notice," you agree with a smile, "but not problematically so. I don't mind leaving directly, if time is of the essence with regards to this ritual. I do have one question, though; you say this is similar to the summoning of a Servant, but all of the War's Masters certainly didn't do that at the same time. Are there really no other chances to create this link between myself and the Grail?"

"Hmmm..." Liliesviel deliberates for a few moments, putting a fingertip to her cheek as she considers. "You're right about the Grail working in cycles," she finally says, "but it isn't like the timing is all the same, you know. The Grail War can only last for a few weeks every 85 years, and even though the cycle of it being accessible for a connection with a living soul is much shorter, it's still not really convenient. The next day when we could harmonize your spirit with the Greater Grail would be about three months from now."

"But the Holy Grail War will be long over by then." You finish Liliesviel's point for her. "I see what you mean, then. Haste is certainly a necessity. I assume that the other ritual you mentioned is similarly tied to a cycle of availability. What sort of timing does it depend on?" In case something does go wrong with today's ritual at the Greater Grail, you want to make certain you're aware of what will be required by its alternative.

"There's not really any specific timing for that one," Liliesviel replies hesitantly, reddening again at the subject. Then, in a still smaller voice, she bashfully mutters, "If we did that ritual, I would want it to be nighttime though."

More and more intriguing, you think. Perhaps this secondary ritual needs to occur outdoors, and Liliesviel is referring to the ever-present magus' need for secrecy in her preference to conduct it under the moonlight. Your curiosity piqued, you're about to ask further details when she perks up again and continues, "Anyway! That doesn't matter if we complete today's plan. Come, Stachel. Let's go, Alberich." With that, she gets up from the table, hurrying to leave for the site of her former home.

"Just a moment," you interject, spreading one hand in a gesture of restraint. "Shouldn't you inform Lancer of this errand? You can hardly leave without your Servant, even if we aren't expecting an attack in daylight. I must inform my Master where we'll be going, as well."
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"Certainly not!" Liliesviel shows surprising vehemence in her willful rejection of bringing Odin along. "I don't know what it is, but Otto has some plan of his own for the Holy Grail. I haven't let him see the Greater Grail so far, and I'm not having him come with us now. He can just stay here and guard this place," she concludes with a flippant wave of a limp hand.

>[ ] Liliesviel knows her own Servant best, you suppose. Your presence will be quite sufficient to keep her safe, in any case. Leave Odin behind.(Pride)

>[ ] Insist on bringing Odin along. Whatever nefarious intentions he may have towards the Greater Grail, you doubt they can be worse than the consequences of finding yourself unequal to the task of defending Liliesviel from a hostile Servant. (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Make another suggestion (Write in)
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In light of my own limited time to write and the desire to let you folks do as much planning as conceivably possible, here's another short update. I'll be back around 11:00pm PST to count the votes and start in on writing the next one, though, so we won't have another 24-hour dead period.
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We need to figure out a way to have Tsubaki follow us or get Lily to allow her to come along.
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>>3910260
>[ ] Liliesviel knows her own Servant best, you suppose. Your presence will be quite sufficient to keep her safe, in any case. Leave Odin behind.(Pride)
Should we roll gacha again for a little extra backup?
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>>3910260
>[ ] Insist on bringing Odin along. Whatever nefarious intentions he may have towards the Greater Grail, you doubt they can be worse than the consequences of finding yourself unequal to the task of defending Liliesviel from a hostile Servant. (Self-Preservation)
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Guys, Sweets gave us time to plan for a reason.
We should try actually planning.
I feel our best bet is having Tsubaki come with us to act as support in case we're attacked, and we can have her put Lily to sleep if the need arises and we have to talk about sensitive matters.
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>>3910671
Agreed. We should her scry our enemies before we head out.

>>3910260
>[ ] Liliesviel knows her own Servant best, you suppose. With Tsubaki at your side, Liliesviel should be well cared for. Leave Odin behind. (Duty)
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>>3910787
I'll support this.
If we need an excuse, Tsubaki is *technically* supposed to be Ayaka's sister, so checking on the status of the Holy Grail and how it's affecting the locals is sort of partially her responsibility. Especially with this magical epidemic going around, something like that could easily have been caused by some fault in the leylines.
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>>3910803
We can also just say she's a bounded fields expert, another hedge against any possible attacks on Lily while we're preoccupied killing some servant.
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>>3910260
>[ ] Insist on bringing Odin along. Whatever nefarious intentions he may have towards the Greater Grail, you doubt they can be worse than the consequences of finding yourself unequal to the task of defending Liliesviel from a hostile Servant. (Self-Preservation)
While I wouldn't normally let him in, we already know what his plan is and there could be an ambush.
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>>3910938
>we already know what his plan is
I mean, we've only got speculation, anon.
We could just bring Tsubaki instead and not have Odin snooping around the Greater Grail.
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>>3910949
>I mean, we've only got speculation, anon.
Naw, we know he wants to fight us.
But if you insist...
>>3910260
Switching from >>3910938 to
>[ ] Liliesviel knows her own Servant best, you suppose. With Tsubaki at your side, Liliesviel should be well cared for. Leave Odin behind. (Duty)
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>>3910974
>we know he wants to fight us
Perhaps, but what about wanting to fight us has to do with the Greater Grail?
We're likely just a side activity for his true goal.
Interesting enough that he put aside his intention to be an unknown spearman for the war (Alberich is the strongest of the three modern heroes who named himself after somebody Odin knows, and Odin is a God, he was always bound to have some sort of interest.), but it's unlikely to have shifted his goal from why he allowed himself to be summoned in the first place.

It's either a return to the Age of Gods or Ragnarok he's after.

Speaking of Gods, I'm still thinking we should grab Andreias next, honestly.
Either put it on our armour to have anti-everything (except divinity, which only Odin has in a decent amount) armour, or straight up apply it to ourselves in order to replicate Achilles' immortal body and divinity.

It might turn us (or our armour) pure gold though. Though Golden Armour would have the added effect of making our Saber bullying more effective, so this is preferable.
As far as Noble Phantasms go, for pure survivability, it lets us beat everyone easily except Odin.
Medusa can only do scratch damage, Shirou is useless if his swords can't pierce our armour, Sakura can't get us with imaginary numbers because we're a natural counter, Rin loses out to MR: A anyway, Circe lost her divinity and would have to get around A rank MR in addition to the invulnerability of Andreias. Matsuda is FUCKED. Harris is also fucked. Adelheid can't touch us through it.
Assassin won't be able to backstab us through our armour.
Am I forgetting anyone?

It also might give us Divinity: C no matter what we apply it to, which might be nice.
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>>3910997
That's a potent argument anon.
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>>3910260
>(Write in)
We shouldn't have Lily make a judgement on whether or not to bring Odin when she doesn't know Circe's capabilities.

First ask Lily to excuse us for 15 or 20 minutes, then call K-hime to have a private meetup with Ayaka to "make the appropriate preparations".
In that meeting explain the ritual and declare that we intend to explain the nature of our existence to Lily, then ask K-hime if she'd give us permission to explain hers as well and try to use that ritual to take the first step to stabilize K-hime's manifestation too. If she wants to keep her privacy then we respect it in the next conversation, if she assents to us spilling the beans another topic opens up later.

Next we ask her to scry Teams Emiya, Harris, Antaglio, and RushBOI if possible. Mainly to get a feel for who might be strolling by the building when we roll through and be forewarned.

Next, the moment of truth: time to CONFESS
First ask Lily if she could speak with us in private for a few minutes as we have some really important information she should be aware of. For the conversation:
Start off by asking her if she's aware that there are more than 7 Servants in this Grail war, and not just including the Rider on Team Emiya. In fact you believe there could be as many as 4 more, excluding Medusa. Then ask if (with such a glut of heroic spirits) whether or not theoretically more than one Servant could connect to the Grail with the ritual she has planned (if yes then we can explain K-hime's situation later if she gave her assent).

Then tell Lily that the person responsible for so many extra Servants' appearance is the original Caster of this war, the late Judas Iscariot. His Noble Phantasm created a simulation of a Holy Grail war, but when he died the survivors were dispersed throughout the city.

One of the survivors was the Caster who attacked her last night, Circe.
>How do you know this Onii-chan?

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>>3910997
>Am I forgetting anyone?
Only Antaglio and his cronies, who are similarly useless.
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>Liliesviel, the reason I'm telling you all this is because you're about to offer me a great kindness and it would be vile for me to accept it if you were offering it under mistaken pretenses. The fact of the matter is at this point I am certain that I am not a homunculus constructed by the Einzberns. My exact nature has been vague to even myself until recently and nearly everyone I've met has mistaken me as one of your kinsmen. But I'm now certain that the identity I held in the simulated Grail war was in fact the origin of my being.
>I want there to be no more secrecy between us. I held off on telling you this because I was too cautious of your reaction. I sincerely apologize, I should have been open with you about this sooner. Keeping this from you has been like leaving a wound to fester in my soul.
>If you're angry, I understand. If you don't want to help me with the ritual and break off our alliance, I understand as well. But thinking ahead, I don't think I'd want to live on using the Third Magic if I'd never be able to live with myself because I took advantage of you
>If you can find in it yourself to forgive me, I'll explain anything I can to you. The only information I will withhold is if someone else entrusted it me and expects me to keep their confidence.

Then play it by ear depending on her response
Definitely give her an idea of Circe's capabilities at the very least
If K-hime gave her assent we can ask if she can hook her up to the Grail too (and omit that final clause about withholding info).
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>>3911066
>>3911080
How about we don't do that?
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>>3911085
If you want the problem to keep festering and bite us harder later, ok. I personally want to just bite the bullet now and get it over with. If we get Gungnir'd we can try something else.
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>>3911080
>>3911085
We really should do this, especially before being linked to the grail.
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>>3911097
The problem can fester for now, we're way too dependant on her right now to potentially jeopardize our relationship.
We'll get it sorted when we don't have so much to do.


>>3911102
Why before we're linked to the grail?
It just fucks the entire plot up.
We'll get a more suitable opportunity to tell her, but I don't think now is the time for such a revelation out of nowhere.


Unrelated but God DAMN it I want Andreias Armour now.
Being able to No-sell everyone would be hilarious.
Unless the only parts of the armour that get the defence are the actual metal parts. In which case it's basically worthless.
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>>3911111
>It just fucks the entire plot up
Then fuck the plot. If we tell her this out of nowhere now she'll be pissed off, maybe storm out of the house without another word. If she finds out herself after she linked us to the Grail she'll feel so fuckin' betrayed she'd have no issue spamming all of her Command Seals to give Odin a power-up just so he turns us into a smear on the wall.

If we tell her the truth when we've gotten what we wanted out of her we'll have just toyed with her emotions and used her far more cruelly than the Einzberns ever did.
If we have a lot to lose when we tell her we're signalling that we respect her as a person and aren't just moving her around like a chess-piece.
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>>3911129
Basically this
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>>3911129
Then we should wait to do it at a suitably dramatic moment, like at the grail.
Doing it just out of the blue right here is fucking boring and anti-climactic.
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>>3911066
>>3911080
No, please.
>>3911129
There is no reason in either situation for her to not feel betrayed and have Odin spread us out on the wall. Just don't tell her the truth, and let her live with a happy lie.
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>>3911129
>Then fuck the plot.
Oh, and would you like a Volkesgemeinschaft and a Kosmos Ouroborous to go with that plot fucking?
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>>3911136
>wait to do it at a suitably dramatic moment
>I know you need to concentrate on this elaborate ritual, but here's a mind-blowing plot-twist for you!
>>3911141
>There is no reason in either situation for her to not feel betrayed
Technically true but when the offense is an order of magnitude different I'd take my chances on the smaller one. There's no way she's going to stay ignorant forever so if we keep stringing her along she's going to 100% want us dead at the end of the day.

Up to the voting anons though.

>>3911151
>Alberich trying to be a decent person to one of his highest-affection love-interests with the potential to damage his short-term strategic interest is the narrative equivalent to him turning into a loli
I'll give you that one.
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>>3911219
Hey, you're the one who said "fuck the plot."

I just think we should wait until a better time to suddenly spring this shit.
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>>3911259
The better time to tell her was yesterday, I've been clear from the start that this is damage-control. It's a calculation in long-term social-capital.
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>>3911219
>There's no way she's going to stay ignorant forever
If we kill Yumigawa and set Circe straight we'll only need to keep her ignorant until we can brainwash her.
Getting Circe back will be easy enough: just talk to her and explain the facts in full. All of this probably happened because of a tragic misunderstanding.

There's also the method of killing Odin (we have to do this anyway) and stealing his runes, which will enable us to do that without Circe.
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>>3911290
I totally forgot that "brainwash everyone" is still an option on the table.
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>>3911290
>Just brainwash the main love interest, lol
Yeah no. Fuck that.
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>>3911404
Why are we going to brainwash Circe and Adelheid?
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>>3911080
It's a shame to put our a really in-depth write in like this only to have nobody vote for it. I appreciate the effort anyway, anon.

>>3911309
I suggest you make sure you've got Circe working for you before considering anything that involves her powers to be "on the table". Counting chickens, and all that

>>3911404
Liliesviel may be the front runner in Alberich's heart, but there is no "main love interest" in this quest, anon.
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>>3911506
I was talking more about stealing Primordial Runes. Not so much about Circe.
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>odin sees us for the first time
>harris kills vaisset and forces us to work with ayaka, who can conveniently give us powerups from dead servants
>we tell odin we want to get stronger before we fight him
>harris conveniently leaves saber for us
>odin moves into our house
>lily conveniently offers to hook us up to the grail
Everything has been going according to plan.
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>>3911661
I want off of Odin's keikaku.
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>>3911669
Now, if only they had summoned Thor it would've been so much simpler. He would just kidnap us and get to training.
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>>3911506
Alberich's main love interest is himself. All other waifus come second.
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>>3911791
We're on the Yumigawa route now boys.
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>>3911802
threesome with titania when
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>>3911791
So really you were meant to be pseudo-Servant Narcissus all along. Fascinating.
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>>3911506
>I appreciate the effort anyway, anon.
Thanks. Maybe after an update or two you'll be at liberty to say what would have happened if it passed?
I estimated 55-60% chance Lily would storm out in a quiet rage but leave the possibility to reconcile later, 35-40% chance she'd hear us out/grill us, ~5% chance she'd go for the kill or do something completely different.

I know she'll never forgive Alberich if this goes on much further though. Muramasa ain't gonna sever this karma.
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>>3912028
Honestly though. For anon saying that it's not "dramatic" enough, this is the best moment to break this to her. We haven't used her all that egregiously up to now, but if she links us to the grail and the we tell her that's be awful. Brainwashing, naturally, is complete bullshit and is the worst idea to put your faith in.
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>>3912607
Yeah it seems to me that many anons are underselling the importance of stable social-capital. Right now Ayaka is the closest person to being on the same page with and loyal to Alberich for who he is, and no one else is even close. If we could get Ayaka, K-hime, and Lily all on the same page we'd be well on our way to ensuring long-term loyalty from our teammates (potential future retainers).
Rather than acting the part of a scummy, Machiavellian politician I was hoping we could move the character toward the path of a ruler who leads his people by example, inspiring honor, trust, and loyalty unseen since the time of the true divine-right kings. Scheming and deception is no way to ensure longevity in your regime. We probably remind Odin of Loki more than anyone else right now.
Maybe I'm idealistic but literally everyone we meet projects an ideal onto us. Meeting those expectations could go a long way.
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>>3912954
>Rather than acting the part of a scummy, Machiavellian politician I was hoping we could move the character toward the path of a ruler who leads his people by example, inspiring honor, trust, and loyalty unseen since the time of the true divine-right kings.
All that Pride, relative to Duty and Compassion, begs to differ.
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>>3912028
>I estimated 55-60% chance Lily would storm out in a quiet rage but leave the possibility to reconcile later, 35-40% chance she'd hear us out/grill us, ~5% chance she'd go for the kill or do something completely different.
75% chance she'd go for the kill
5% chance she'd hear us out
20% chance she'd storm out and kick our cat on the way
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>>3912954
We can't risk souring our relationship before she incarnates us. We have to keep up the charade.
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>>3912997
The stats are important but you *do* realize that Alberich doesn't have to be a completely conniving bastard, right?

>>3913006
I think you understimate the attachment beyond the Einzbern identity.

>>3913008
Exactly the attitude that will get Alberich fucked when one of the many parties that knows the truth about him, knowingly or not, outs him.
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>>3913017
>I think you understimate the attachment beyond the Einzbern identity.
I think you underestimate how vindictive she might be anyway, if she's anything like her elder sister.
*insert Illya turning Shirou into a doll here*
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>>3912997
Compassion and Duty options do still pop up as default choices periodically though. We're not a slave to our former actions. Hence (write-in) being an option every single time.
What we seem to be going for right now is Self-Preservation at the expense of everything else. Deception and manipulation of Lily in this circumstance is not prideful, it's the basest form of self-interest. And it's begging to cause problems long-term that will most definitely be far worse than the damage confessing our deception would cause.
>>3913008
But we'd literally be proving that we're 100% a lying fake! The reason Lily likes us is that we gave her the impression that we associate with her because of actual affection and not just because of strategic calculations like everyone else has. Once she finds out we're no different from the rest and pretended to care just to use her for our own ends she's 100% going to be an irreconcilable enemy.
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>>3913033
You know, re-reading that scene.
I suddenly have a really bad feeling about all this.
A really REALLY bad feeling.
>"It's you yourself that did it. You feel sick because you lied to me. You're so kind that you hurt yourself."

>>3913041
Look, I'm all for telling Lily, I just want to do it at the greater grail.
It's a grander scene for these sorts of things.
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>>3913046
>I just want to do it at the greater grail.
Doing it from the safety of home has far fewer points of failure than doing it in a position where we could be attacked. Or have Circe do the classic *teleports behind u*, nab Lily, then give her the Skylla treatment with her wand NP at RushBOI's place.
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>>3913064
>*teleports behind u*
Impossible, Circe can't get into the Greater Grail thanks to Odin. We were just told that.
If she's attacking, she's going to have to attack like a normal person.
You may as well say that Circe is going to teleport behind everyone at every single opportunity with this mindset.
Also, the safety of our home isn't really that safe considering we've got a hostile servant locked in the basement and Odin is just around now.

It's a good thing that despite not being an Einzbern Homonculi, Alberich is close enough.
An artificial soul given a set of memories that don't belong to him that happens to have a body that is clearly based off of the Einzbern methods thanks to how Judas modified our body.
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>>3913017
>Exactly the attitude that will get Alberich fucked when one of the many parties that knows the truth about him, knowingly or not, outs him.
She has a history of ignoring or rationalizing red flags in favor of having a big brother. What makes you think she'll listen to an enemy?
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Did discussion just die?
What happened?
Personally, I blame the NTR twist.
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>>3914812
Guess everyone's said their piece. Can't really do much until the next update.
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>>3914816
Yeah, but it felt like we used to be able to discuss more stuff going on.
Now it's just silence.
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>>3914827
We've just exhausted most conversational topics. Nothing to bitch about anymore, the waifu war lines are not moving at all, our next action is essentially determined (as much as I don't like it), and upgrade discussion is particularily washed. Also, worst Saber a shit.
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>>3914857
The waifu war is basically dead.
I haven't seen Circefag for a while.
I hope the NTR didn't scare him off.
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>>3914869
Given that there is a fair proportion of anons who refuse to abandon the idea of getting Circe back, I would disagree.
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>>3914888
Where are they though?
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>>3914899
I mentioned our current course of action possibly locking us out of saving Circe; I personally want to reasonably end up with her but the events that are going to unfold have a chance to prohibit that.
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>>3914938
I'm glad there's at least another one of us left.
We live in dark times, anon.
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>>3914944
Hello.
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>>3914812
It's sweets lack of presence in the thread with no updates or even conversation with the players
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>>3915036
We need to stop going anywhere with Lily ever because every time we try to we get these long ass dry spells.
Clearly, she's worst girl because of this.
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>>3915036
Sorry for that, then. I'd like to be more present, but work just keeps dialing up IRL. Every time I try to economize time or find another way to get back to a regular update schedule, I end up getting even more saddled with other things I'm obligated to do.

>>3915069
It really has nothing to do with the plot. I'm just getting the curse, finally.
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>>3915097
You heard it here first, folks.
Lily is a *cursed* waifu.
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>>3915106
You'll take every opportunity to snipe at her you can get, huh?
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>>3915122
Not at all!
I imagine that if she was introduced earlier, I probably would've liked her the most.
But it wasn't to be, unfortunately.
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But yeah, it does seem like thread population has taken a hit recently. The last few threads have been shrinking, but even within this one there was a drop in voting after the first vote. I can only hope it's my schedule that's lost people, since that's something that can bounce back. If there's been a general trend towards losing interest because of my writing or plot developments, I don't know that there's any way to get those people back into the quest. Dark times.
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>>3914869
Is it really NTR, when she believes he's you? It's not as if she passed you up for Odysseus, after all. She still loves the victor of the Akeldama Grail War.
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>>3915176
>Is it really NTR
Yes.
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>>3915176
>Is it really NTR
Yes.
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>>3915176
>Is it really NTR
Maybe, maybe not.
It's probably certainly possible.
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I just want this NTR nightmare to end, yet it feels like we're just going to get fucked by the plot the moment we even attempt anything to resolve things.
Anon keeps kicking the can down the road, though I can't really say I blame them.

I feel like a big factor in how everything in Akeldama has developed is that we feel so limited for spare time, in conjunction to our somewhat frequent jobbing, anons don't actually feel like they have the time to focus on loose plot threads (ie. Resonance or Matsuda.) and instead just want to get stronger in order to stop flailing around so embarrassingly in fights.

See us sending our cat after Yumigawa instead of just following him as an example of how the jobbing fucked everything up because we just wanted to train.
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>>3915176
>Is it really NTR
Certainly

>>3915317
I just want to kill them already. The permanence of death solves all of Alberich's problems
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>>3915337
But I really don't want to kill Circe.
Personally, I've been waiting through all of Awakening to reunite with her so this whole situation just feels like a kick in the teeth.
Killing her is something I just can't abide.
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Just posting to let you know that I'm still online, and have been writing for the last couple of hours. Will have the update out tonight.
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Liliesviel knows her own Servant best, you suppose. If she believes he can work some mischief with access to the Greater Grail, it's doubtless unwise to give him the chance. Your presence will be quite sufficient to keep her safe, in any case. Although you do feel a slight twinge of concern at the thought of leaving such a powerful Servant here with your Master and Kōrakuhime, you brush it aside, reminding yourself that that he's shown no outright hostility toward you so far. Rather, he seems almost passive in his attitude towards the Holy Grail War, a view that, given his excitement at the prospect of your growing strength, can only be motivated by the thought that his competitors are utterly beneath him. You're confident he shall remain content to wait for you to be worthy of a battle, rather than making any move against you or Ayaka now.

"Very well, Liliesviel," you say. "If you would prefer that Odin remain here, so he shall. I'll be ready to depart in a moment, after I've explained my departure to my Master. Would you mind waiting here a moment?"

"Thank you for understanding," she replies with a bright smile. "Of course I don't mind waiting a bit!"

At that, you get to your feet, curtly nodding, "Excuse me, Miss Tsubaki," in Japanese. You've gone a few steps towards the door when you hear her chair scrape back, and her voice raised in a remarkably ordinary tone of indignant confusion, considering her usual inhuman posturing.

"Hey- Wait up, Saber-san!" she demands at your retreating back. "What was all that about?"

Heedless of Kōrakuhime's protestations, you continue hurrying towards the hallway and the ascending stairs to the second floor, so she's compelled to follow you. This, of course, is the point of the exercise. You don't want to depart without the benefit of a divination regarding the disposition of your enemies, but can hardly have Kōrakuhime perform such in Liliesviel's presence. At the same time, composing a truncated explanation worthy of a semi-outsider such as "my Master's younger sister" which conveys that intent would be tiresome. The simplest thing, then, is just to have her follow you while playing her role, and Kōrakuhime has fulfilled your expectations there admirably.

"So?" Once you've stopped outside the library door, you hear Kōrakuhime's voice from behind you, back in its normal impassive tone. "What was it that... our guest didn't want me to hear, and you couldn't explain in her presence to Shijou Tsubaki?"

"A ritual at the Greater Grail, necessary for enabling me to take hold of the Third Sorcery when this War comes to an end," you explain briefly. "If Miss Ayaka asks after me while I'm out, you may tell her the same. That isn't the primary matter I wanted to discuss with you, however. Given that I'll be going out, I'd like to know what our enemies are doing."
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"I... see." Kōrakuhime's face remains blank as she takes this in. "William Harris, Emiya Shirou, and Yumigawa Rushorou, then, as the Master of Assassin remains... shrouded in mystery. Let us... have a look."

Unlike her usual outfit, the red and white dress Kōrakuhime is now wearing is sleeveless, so you're able to observe with amusement as she makes a strange motion of her right hand as if to subtly draw something from her sleeve only to realize her error and color with embarrassment. At the sight of her habitual manner of prestidigitation failing her here you smirk, and prod her ego with a raised eyebrow.

"E-excuse me," she says, poorly maintaining a pretense of composure. "I had... forgotten this disguise. My talismans are in my... ordinary clothing." No sooner are the words out of her mouth than she's encompassed by a moment of shimmering light, and when it fades Kōrakuhime has returned to her ordinary clothing and inhuman appearance. This time she makes no mistake as she produces the white flower, which soon begins to emanate its revelatory smoke.

The first image which appears in the cloud is unmistakably that of William Harris, though his surroundings are not so easily recognized. He's sitting, both eyes shut and stripped to the waist, in an ornate and high-backed chair of what appears to be solid silver, platinum, or some very bright metal. The chair hangs suspended in the center of a large, spherical concrete chamber by innumerable strands of the same metal, each as thin as a hair and all reaching out at even intervals to connect with every angle of the chamber walls, spaced from one another on that outer surface at even intervals of perhaps a fifth of a meter. Only the area directly in front of Harris is spared, as wires there would have to travel through his body, so that there exists a narrow corridor between the shining strands. The whole room, you note, is lit only by an odd blue-white light which shines from an ornate crest of unidentifiable shape, etched in the skin over Harris' heart and clearly visible due to his state of undress. This, you conclude, must be the magic crest of the Harris family, demonstrating that your enemy is engaged in some unknown arcane ritual.

Leaning against the lone bare section of the concrete wall is the room's other occupant, and a stark contrast in visible emotion despite the pair's mutual inaction. Where Harris appears serene, Matsuda Ryuuta radiates impatience and boredom. You find yourself sympathizing as you watch the Master and Servant doing precisely nothing, and taking a long time about it.

"What do you suppose Harris is doing?" you finally ask, unable any longer to wait in silence for some action to develop.
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"Aside... from the fact that it is a kind of ritual... magic, and that the metal object is a mystic code... I really can't say," comes the disappointing answer. "My understanding of... Western magic is extremely... limited, due to the nature of the skills I was... endowed with, upon my transformation."

"That's a shame," you sigh, looking on without understanding as Harris continues with... whatever it is he's doing. "If we can't gather any information from Harris, however, then we may as well move on."

As you're speaking, however, some motion does occur within the image. Matsuda heaves an audible sigh, stands away from the wall, and turns on his heel. Apparently he's as disappointed in Harris' opaque ritual as you are. As you watch, the Servant presses a subtly inlaid panel into the wall and the concrete before him splits open like the doors of an elevator. Where Matsuda goes when he passes through the doorway remains hidden from you due to the perspective from which you view the chamber, though.

"Can you follow him?" you hurriedly ask. Matsuda, at least, may be about to do something enlightening.

"Yes... just a moment," Kōrakuhime answers, and traces a sign in the smoke with her fingertip, muttering an incantation under her breath as she does so. As her words come to an end, the image in the smoke shifts as if transmitted by a camera now in motion. The point of view glides down from its lofty perch near the chamber's ceiling and follows Matsuda through the exit, matching his pace once firmly settled on its new subject. The hall Matsuda walks down now appears to be the corridor of a bunker. The walls and floor, are all of concrete, while the numerous doors Matsuda passes on either side of the hall are steel. Above each door is a small plaque, though you can't read them from your viewpoint. The whole place is lit by white banks of LEDs set into rectangular steel and glass fixtures in the ceiling.

After passing four pairs of doors, Matsuda turns right and enters a room of immediately apparent purpose. It's a gym, you realize with mounting disappointment. The floor is covered in some kind of rubber or silicone padding, one half of the room is dominated by weights, sandbags, and exercise machines, and it's the place Matsuda chose to go when he had nothing else to do. Of course it's a gym. As you watch, Matsuda takes the spear off of his shoulder and drops into a combat stance; then promptly begins a blisteringly fast, tightly controlled routine of thrusts, sweeps, and esoteric acrobatic maneuvers.

"I do not believe... the two of them will be likely to bother you on your... outing," Kōrakuhime says dryly. "Shall we... continue to Emiya's observation?"

"Yes, I think that would be for the best," you say with a nod.
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Again, Kōrakuhime reaches out a hand to interact with the cloud of smoke briefly and the image changes, this time fading to its natural white before taking on the colors of a new scene. This time, Emiya Shirou and his Servant, Rider, sit side-by-side in a small room full of disordered bookshelves, each one reading their own book. At first you worry that this, too, will yield no useful information, but Rider is clearly dissatisfied with something. Her eyes dart to Emiya and back to her book several times, though, before she finally speaks up.

"Shirou," she says in a soft, silky voice containing only a hint of emotion, "should you be doing this now? With matters as they are, do you have the time for leisure?"

"We've got time." Emiya gives the Servant a guileless, open smile, reassuring her in the that strangely heartening voice of his. "If Saber were going to come after me, he'd have done it right after our last fight. Since he didn't, I think he's content to live and let live. Whatever Tohsaka's theories about that shadow might be, I don't think he was really a bad person."

"Only you and Sakura could say such things about that sort of man," Rider says in soft rebuke. "Even if you do not intend to pursue him, what of putting an end the the lack of magical energy that plagues the city?"

Shirou's bright expression falls at this subject, and he answers in a more resigned tone, "Much as I'd like to, there's nothing I can do now. We still aren't sure where the heaviest drain on the leylines is coming from. Until Tohsaka's finished figuring out where the Greater Grail or the magus who's behind this 'fatigue' is, all I can do is sit around."

"If that is how you feel," Rider says, trailing off, and the conversation fades back into silence as she returns to her book.

"So that's the reason for Emiya's indolence: he's waiting to learn where the Greater Grail lies," you mutter, more thinking aloud than speaking to Kōrakuhime, "or where Circe makes her abode, perhaps; and that woman, the Second Sorcerer's apprentice, can find them for him. From the sound of things, though, there's no need to worry about interference from them today." You raise your voice to a more normal speaking volume, continuing, "Very well then, let's move on to Yumigawa."
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"Yes, the double," Kōrakuhime murmurs with an unpleasant smile.. "Let us see what sort of... intriguing daily life your... counterpart leads." For the third time, she shifts the cloud of smoke according to her will, and the image reforms to show a sight thoroughly familiar from your stolen memories: Yumigawa's classroom. He's actually attending class normally in the midst of all this, even after learning of your memories! A staggering number of seats are indeed empty, testifying to the "mounting absences" he told Ayaka of yesterday; the fact that classes are being conducted at all is odd, however, in light of the fact that they were apparently canceled yesterday. Surely the effect of Tokyo's drained leylines cannot have diminished, so why would classes be canceled one day and return to schedule the next? The image before you offers no explanation to this trivial conundrum, though, and you rapidly put it aside as being of little importance.

"That is everyone, then," you conclude. "Unless you've found a way to focus directly on Circe after all, I ought to be going."

"No, her protection against divination remains... constant," Kōrakuhime says with a shake of her head.

"I expected as much." Turning to go, you leave as parting comment, "Thank you for your help this morning, Kōrakuhime. I'll return in a few hours."

After showing Liliesviel and Stachel to the garage and pulling out to the street, you begin making the rather long drive to what must now be the ruins of the Einzbern Tower. It is a strikingly beautiful morning, you think as you go, with that sharp, stark clarity of light and air peculiar to cold, clear days in winter and late autumn. Though the sun is bright enough to give brilliant color to the autumn foliage, it seems to illuminate without warming, and you don't doubt that in a month or so there will be snow. The chill even seeps through the car, and it's with obvious relief that Liliesviel enjoys the warmth produced by the heating vents and seats now that you're driving.

"This car isn't warm enough, Alberich," the girl says with a pout. "We should've taken my limousine. It heats up much faster, and then you wouldn't have to drive."

"I enjoy driving," you reply, "I don't see it as a burden. Besides, you didn't ask Stengel to come with us." You doubt the temperature difference is very great between the two cars, anyway. Thinking of the limousine, the mental image of Liliesviel clinging to you for warmth the way she's stretching out to the heater now flickers across your mind. This, though, you leave unmentioned, turning instead to a question. "Do you hate the cold, Liliesviel?"
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"Not exactly," the girl answers with some hesitation. After thinking for a moment, she continues, "It depends on the circumstances. Outside, on a snowy day, with thick clouds overhead, I love the cold. That's the way it's meant to be, after all. When it's cold indoors or in a car, though, that's because something's gone wrong; and I hate days like today, when it's sunny and cold. It's a contradiction!"

"I see." Rather than directly finding the cold unpleasant, you suppose Liliesviel is angry with the car for going against her sense of how things ought to be. You're thinking about how to respond to this as you pull up to an intersection downtown, where there are still some taxis circulating in search of fares and trucks laden down with goods to be transported. At least, pulling up is what you should be doing. The brake, out of nowhere, is having no effect! It was working just a moment ago, but suddenly seems to be completely disconnected as you barrel unrestrained through a red light into an intersection. The thing couldn't have failed at a worse time; you're heading directly for a collision with a large truck coming from the right. You might survive, but the thing would mean death for Liliesviel!

The situation isn't insoluble, though. There isn't enough space between you and the massive bumper bearing down to pull ahead out of the way, but you do have the time to react. Moving almost before you think, you set about escaping by turning left and coming down hard on the gas. For a moment, it seems you hear the sound of metal and fiberglass raising a horrible shattering cacophony, feel the impact of the car's destruction, but it's no more than the product of your nerves. The truck is so close in your rear view mirror that it seems about to drive over you at any moment, but after the turn it falls back quickly. It really wasn't moving very fast, you think. You've made it away from that deadly moment in one piece.

Unfortunately you're now moving even faster than before and still unable to break; you're far over the speed limit and the cars ahead of you come on as if they were standing still. You're forced to weave back and forth on the road, dodging past the slower vehicles by little more than a hair's breadth. Finally, though, you see what you're looking for: a blind alley coming up on your left. Still unable to slow into the turn, you accelerate still further, making a mad drifting turn into the dark hole between two towering office buildings. As soon as you're hidden from public view, you take action to put a stop to the mad dash by materializing heavy tendrils of Nothingness and holding the car in place with as much magical strength as you can muster. Finally, you're brought to a halt.
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Only the brake is malfunctioning, it seems. The accelerator you tested on the road, and once you have the car stopped, you have no further problems getting it into park and shut down. Still, what could have gone wrong with the perfectly functional brakes in the space of a moment while driving? Could they be only intermittently failing, and capable of function again if you start the car anew? Not being a mechanic, you really don't have a clue how such things work. All things considered, your situation has certainly taken a frustrating turn. You find yourself now lost, in an unknown part of the city after a blind drive at top speed, and unsure of how to progress.

>[ ] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)

>[ ] You can't risk Liliesviel in an unsafe vehicle. Go on foot from here, carrying her over the rooftops. Hopefully the population is subdued enough by the 'epidemic' for such things to go unnoticed in daylight. (Compassion)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3915795
>>[ ] You can't risk Liliesviel in an unsafe vehicle. Go on foot from here, carrying her over the rooftops. Hopefully the population is subdued enough by the 'epidemic' for such things to go unnoticed in daylight. (Compassion)

At least we don't have to make "car noises" for her.
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I believe this is the single longest update I've yet written. Hopefully that's some consolation for the wait.
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>>3915795
>[ ] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
Assassin probably fucked with the brakes to make us travel on foot. Playing his game is the last thing we should do.
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>>3915795
>Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
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>>3915795
>[ ] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
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>>3915795
>[ ] You can't risk Liliesviel in an unsafe vehicle. Go on foot from here, carrying her over the rooftops. Hopefully the population is subdued enough by the 'epidemic' for such things to go unnoticed in daylight. (Compassion)
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>>3915788
>"If Saber were going to come after me, he'd have done it right after our last fight. Since he didn't, I think he's content to live and let live. Whatever Tohsaka's theories about that shadow might be, I don't think he was really a bad person."
Emiya stop making it so hard to want to kill you.
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>>3915795
It really seems that we were or still are under the effects of an illusion. Voice this concern to Lily.
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Hold on a second.
>what could have gone wrong with the perfectly functional brakes in the space of a moment while driving?
Team Shirou hasn't made any moves against us, Harris and Matsuda are laying low and preparing, Yumigawa is going to school (probably to bait us into a trap), and Circe is in her temple; in any case none of them could damage or disable the brakes without being noticed. That leaves Assassin as the culprit, but we would've noticed already if the brake was disabled before we started driving. Does that mean he got onto the car (or under it) and did it, and if so does that mean he's hiding under the car and waiting to shank us and Lily right now?
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>>3916055
It could also be an illusion, but wouldn't Lily have said anything if that was true? Furthermore, if Assassin could put us under an illusion why wouldn't he take the chance to kill us immediately?
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Whoever is trying to kill us seems to actually be aiming at killing Lily and not us.
After all, a car crash couldn't kill a Servant, and she's not our Master.

Circe is the only one left unaccounted for, along with Assassin, I guess.
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>>3915795
>[ ] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
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>>3916063
>Circe is in her temple
We know from being able to scry Archer in the temple that the majority of Circe's anti scrying countermeasures are limited to her.
She could be anywhere.
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>>3916067
Circe needs Lily to get at the Greater Grail, so she wouldn't do anything risky. This stunt, however, was aimed at Lily.
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>>3916083
She doesn't need Lily alive though.
She could probably just tear out her heart to use instead if she wanted.
Or use Sakura.
Considering that Circe probably saw the date and is aware that we're (as far as she knows) half of the person she fell in love with, you can understand why she might want to kill Lily, who from Circe's perspective seems to have tricked us into believing we're her brother by taking advantage of our lost memories.
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>>3916087
>She doesn't need Lily alive though.
>She could probably just tear out her heart to use instead if she wanted.
>Or use Sakura.
Not in that way, I mean to get past Odin's defences. Which one's easier, breaking through barriers set up by a god of magic or killing two birds with one stone by getting the key to bypassing those barriers and also your lover/the power that was stolen from him?
It could be Circe, but it's more likely Assassin.
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>>3916095
I doubt that even a barrier made by Odin could keep Circe out forever.
Circe could also be functioning under the assumption that Lily dying means Odin dying too, or at least being weakened.
We shouldn't discount the possibility it's Circe.
It does feel more likely to be Assassin though.

This is easily the least defended Lily has been outside of her tower though, so Circe could be plotting something.

Honestly, I hope confronting Yumigawa and Circe goes well, at the end of the day, Yumigawa is only a fake half of the man Circe fell for, while Alberich is the true winner of the grail war.
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>>3916098
>I doubt that even a barrier made by Odin could keep Circe out forever.
Odin himself seemed pretty confident that it would hold out for now, or he went back at night and reinforced it.
>Circe could also be functioning under the assumption that Lily dying means Odin dying too, or at least being weakened.
That's possible, although she should know better given her own experiences as a goddess. She's more likely to try using 30 Command Spells at once to make Odin kill himself.
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>>3915788
>I don't think he was really a bad person
WRONG
>Until Tohsaka's finished figuring out where the Greater Grail or the magus who's behind this 'fatigue' is
Probably should have checked up on her and Luvia too, oh well.

>>3915795
>what could have gone wrong with the perfectly functional brakes in the space of a moment while driving?
THIS MUST BE THE WORK OF AN ENEMY STANDU

>[X] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
As another anon said, we don't want to play into the saboteur's hands.
Maybe before we leave we can try to form makeshift brakes out of Nothingness and attach them to the bottom of the car where they'd be hard to see. Like retractable stakes that shoot out and scrape the ground when we want to brake? If we flip to neutral when we want to slow down as well it should fix up most of the difficulties. Hopefully the enemy stand can't make more of the car break down.
Incidentally, is the car a stick-shift or automatic?
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>>3916144
It's an automatic. I don't think they've made a stick shift Mercedes S-Class in quite some tine.
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There's a large majority for keeping on in the car. That's a surprise; I'd thought you'd be all for the safer-sounding option.

>>3916107
Now where would Circe get so many command spells? Are you thinking she'd pull the full-body reusable one that Illyasviel had out of Liliesviel?

>>3916144
>Probably should have checked up on her and Luvia too, oh well.
Then it could've been a 20,000-character update instead of a 17,000-character one! I see where you're coming from, but at a certain point it does get a bit impractical to try and keep an eye on everyone. You have an idea what Rin's up to from Shirou's conversation with Rider, anyway.

>form makeshift brakes out of Nothingness and attach them to the bottom of the car
Good idea, anon. I'm using this in the update.
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>>3916653
We could make more traditional brake replacements out of tendrils instead of spikes going into the ground or whatever. Shit, we could even brake each tire individually to enhance our handling even further!
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>>3916676
Oh, that's an even better idea! You can restrain the wheels directly by creating clamps made of Nothingness.
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Discussion's kind of petered out. There are a few questions I'd still like to consider though:

1) What kind of ability would cause a minor malfunction of this nature? Any skills that we've heard of that an Assassin would have? Or is Assassin' master perhaps a tech-savvy troublemaker as well? Still don't know the first thing about him/her. Clearly the enemy wanted it to look like an accident so they might have a nastier application of the ability if there's no one watching.

2) Is the enemy still be nearby? We drove a ways but if it was Assassin they might be keeping up. Did they use a ranged attack or is >>3916063 on to something? I would think the enemy would try to stab through the car and hit Lily if he/she was still attached to the vehicle but it's not technically impossible.

3) Can we ask Lily what her long-term hopes/dream are at some point? I don't remember her talking about anything regarding what to do post-Grail war.
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>>3917205
>any skill
Subversive Activities perhaps?
It's in-keeping with the Assassin class.
Jobbin' Whood had it.
The only servant remaining that would realistically think to sabotage a car is probably Adelheid, though it could've been Assassin or his Master, I guess.

It's possible that the cause of our slight accident is still following us and wants us out of the car, Assassin might need direct line of sight on a stationary target for their Noble Phantasm if it is indeed them. As for why Circe or Adelheid might try to cause a car crash... maybe they want to kill Lily?
Of course, Assassin might be operating under the illusion that "kill master and the Servant accompanying her dies." applies here.

As for Lily's long term hopes, yeah, there's no reason not to.
I have no intention of letting her die anyway.
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>>3917205
>1)
No clue. I don't think sweets is enough of a hack to have the Assassin be retarded and not attack through the vehicle, so it's either a LoS NP or the Assassin is so weak that targeting Liliesviel in such an indirect way is their only chance. I would guess the latter. I hope this doesn't become a protracted fight- we don't Ayaka to get those kino Assassin energies.

>2)
I'm thinking some kind of manhole cover bullshit if the Assassin so specifically hit the brakes. Probably not clinging to the chassis, if he/she knows what's good for them.

>3)
Great idea. Of course, I'd rather tell her the truth first.
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>>3917205
>>3917224
>Liesviel's hopes and dreams
Nice. That would be a conversation I'd relish writing.

>>3917266
I really feel like I should already know what that LoS stands for, but nothing comes to mind...
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>>3917311
>LoS
Probably Line of Sight
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>>3917313
Oh, of course. That makes perfect sense, and now I feel like a moron not to have realized it.
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>>3915794
To think we needed Minds Eye, Riding (Specialized), and Nothingness (Ribbons) all just to survive a series of Dead Ends caused by something as mundane as brakes In one post. Or at least, preventing a Liliesviel Dead End.

And to think, not once did Liliesviel even so much as be shown to gasp or panic. She must really trust us to not even be a little afraid of this.

>[ ] Try starting the car again and making your way to the Greater Grail by driving, as planned. You're confident you can drive without brakes if the lack doesn't come as a surprise, and there's always magic if the need arises. (Pride)
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>>3917347
>To think we needed Minds Eye, Riding (Specialized), and Nothingness (Ribbons) all just to survive a series of Dead Ends caused by something as mundane as brakes In one post. Or at least, preventing a Liliesviel Dead End.
Yes, brake failure is a horrible danger. It was a real test of the skills you've developed up until now.

>She must really trust us to not even be a little afraid of this.
Aww, you noticed! Yes, the bond that's formed between Alberich and Lily may have done so in a short time, but it's quite firm.
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Even with the brakes in their state of mysterious failure, you can't think of your car in its entirety as having been similarly rendered useless. After all, you were able to stop the car in this alleyway with magic. Although you were forced this time to hide before doing so, that isn't to say that you need do the same in future. If you can imagine a form for your Nothingness to take that would enable the car to stop without the magically created element being visible, you should be able to use it as a substitute for brakes without difficulty. Before you can go much further down this line of thought, however, you're jolted out of your contemplation by the nervous voice of Liliesviel.

"Alberich," she begins with trepidation, in a strained and quiet voice, "what just happened?"

It's a remarkably restrained question, far from the sort of emotional outburst you might have expected from a pampered young girl who's just barely survived several brushes with death, partially at your hands. Come to think of it, although you were paying more attention to events outside the car than to her it seems that Liliesviel was silent and composed during the danger that's just passed as well. When you glance over at her, the extent of Liliesviel's restraint becomes clear. The girl's expression is complex, almost composed but betraying an undercurrent of nervous tension.

"Just a bit of trouble with the car," you say, hoping to reassure her with an easygoing tone and a smile. "Perhaps you were right, and we should have taken yours after all. I believe I have it dealt with now, though, and we can get back on course."

"I knew it!" Liliesviel's voice fills with vindication, as her fears are evidently dispersed by your reassurance. Holding her head high and laying the fingertips of one hand to her chest in an almost cartoonish gesture of pride, she continues, "There's just no depending on inferior vehicles like this. I could tell it from the moment I felt its lackluster heating system!"

"I'm not sure about that," you say with a chuckle. Liliesviel, though, doesn't share in your mirth. Instead, she drops the prideful facade and turns to you with worried, vulnerable eyes, letting you see the frightened girl hiding behind her efforts at composure.

"Would you promise me you'll travel in my car from now on, Alberich?" she asks, now sounding quite both serious and concerned. "If something goes wrong and you get hurt again, I-" she breaks off. "Just promise me, alright?"

"Of course," you concede. "Given the state of this car, I doubt if I'd be able to keep driving it after today even if it weren't your request. After this trip is over I would very much appreciate the use of your limousine, if you don't mind sharing it with me."

"Great!" Liliesviel smiles again, her usual energy returning, and with that you feel you can get back to driving.
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Fortunately, it seems your mind was turning over the problem of braking by magic unconsciously while you spoke with the girl, and the idea now occurs to you to create a clamp on each wheel to stop them. It will be somewhat difficult to finely control small elemental constructs invisible to you, of course, but you feel confident you can manage. Having produced the necessary equipment to restore your full control over the vehicle, you reverse out of the alleyway and pull back into the street, looking around to see if you recognize your location and how to get from here to the Einzbern Tower. As you do, you realize with a start that not only are your supplemental elemental brakes working, the car's original equipment has been restored to functionality!

You ponder on the mystery for a few moments, considering the ramifications of the change. You know that there are computer components in cars now, although you remain ignorant of the details of such things. Could the brake failure be some sort of digital error, resolved by shutting the car down and restarting it? An alternative theory would be sabotage, some sort of outside manipulation of your car. If someone were able to inhibit the vehicle's functions, they might have caused the brake failure, then released it when it became clear that you were capable of counteracting it. Right now, though, you haven't enough information at your disposal to be certain.

With your location unknown, working that out is your first priority. If you had the sort of convenient cellular telephone you remember from Yumigawa's memories, this would be a simple matter, but of course you have no possessions of your own and you're sharing the car with a magus aristocrat and her maidservant, almost certainly both technophobes. Fortunately, though, given that the car's previous owner was another magus, you have little doubt that he too preferred to do things in an old-fashioned way. You pop open the glove compartment with your left hand, steering with your right, and feel around to find - there it is: a map.

Pulling over to the side of the road, you unfold a laminated street map of metropolitan Tokyo before you and start looking for the streets around you and the intersections you've passed. It shouldn't take too long, given that you have a general idea of the part of town you're in based on the route you were originally following and the fact that you're still in a high-density business district crowded with office towers. Maddeningly, though, you can find neither the street in front of nor behind you anywhere on the map. Have they changed the street names since it was printed? There is a new look about the signs, as if they were recently cleaned or replaced, so it could be possible.
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With the map still spread out on your lap, you begin driving again, circling around aimlessly to check intersections and street names against what's shown on the map. As you progress it becomes increasingly clear that the perfectly sensible-looking map of Tokyo you have is quite out of touch with reality. You've passed the intersections of streets labeled on the map as parallel, streets adjacent to one another that should according to the map be separated by intervening streets, and even numerous streets that do not appear at all. You would think the thing ridiculously out of date, but according to a small text box in one corner it was printed just four months ago by the Tokyo metropolitan government itself. Bizarre, to be sure.

Finally you put the map aside in disgust and find a place to park for a few minutes. No matter how accurate it should be, given the circumstances of its publication, it's plain that the thing is doing you no good. You'll just have to get up to the roof of one of these offices and work out from above how to reach the Einzbern Tower. You're sure it should be easy enough to see the ruins from above.

"My apologies for the delay, Liliesviel," you say as you bring the car to a halt and move to get out. "I seem to have gotten us lost. I'll just be a moment, I'm going to go up the side of one of these buildings and plan out our route anew."

"Really?" At your words, the girl's eyes gleam in sudden excitement. "Carry me up with you, then! I'd like to see the rooftop view as well."

"If you prefer that to waiting in the car, I would be happy to," you say. It's not empty politeness, either; given your suspicion about sabotage, you'd rather have Liliesviel where you can see her than separated from you. With that in mind, you get out of the car, walk around to the passenger side, and open the door for Liliesviel. Stachel, you note, follows her mistress with neither discussion nor the expectation of service that marks Liliesviel's behavior. Does the silent maid imagine she can keep pace with you in ascending a building, or is she just stretching her legs? The woman's emotionless face gives you no answer.

As you conduct Liliesviel to the sidewalk and begin looking around at which building might be ideally suited to be your vantage point, a sudden powerful gust of wind tears up the street. In its wake, you hear a strange, high, slight noise, like breaking ice far above you. You look up for the source of the noise, and time seems to slow as you catch sight of the thing. The sunlight glints off of an enormous square window pane, invisible save for that reflection, as it plummets toward its target like the weighty guillotine blade it could easily emulate.
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You move with superhuman speed, picking up Liliesviel despite her cry of shock the girl lets out as you grab her with the force of a Servant's movement and turning on your heel just in time to remove her from the path of the great glass blade. Holding her close, you shield her body with yours as the pane crashes to the ground with the cacophonous chimes that are unique to the complete shattering of a colossal piece or ornament of glass. Several slivers drive into your back, scattered like shrapnel by the force of the impact, but thankfully the girl cradled in your arms is unharmed.

New suspicion colors your vision as you look around for the next source of attack. Brake failure alone might be an isolated misfortune, but for this string of events to all be coincidence would strain the credulity of even a guileless fool. Yet there is that seed of doubt. The failure of the brakes, the oddity of the street signs and map, and the falling glass are all attacks by disconnected objects, all with mundane explanations. Could this be no more than a strange chain of bad luck after all? No surely not! There must be some malevolent will behind these acts! And yet...

You can't let your mind spin in circles forever, wasting time in idle speculation. Whether what's going on is the work of one of your enemies or only bad luck, action must be taken if you're ever going to reach the ruins of the Einzbern Tower.

>[ ] The falling of a pane of window glass in a high wind changes nothing. Climb a nearby building, work out where you are, and return to the car to drive there. (Pride)

>[ ] If there is the possibility that you're under attack by some enemy, it's better to err on the side of caution, and moving in a car limits your capabilities. Go on foot, over the rooftops. (Compassion)

>[ ] Perhaps there's something else to be done about this... (Write in)
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>>3917453
>You've passed the intersections of streets labeled on the map as parallel, streets adjacent to one another that should according to the map be separated by intervening streets, and even numerous streets that do not appear at all. You would think the thing ridiculously out of date, but according to a small text box in one corner it was printed just four months ago by the Tokyo metropolitan government itself. Bizarre, to be sure.
Oh shit, we walked into a time warp.
>Several slivers drive into your back
Hold on, mundane glass shouldn't be able to hurt us because the mystery is too low.

>[ ] Perhaps there's something else to be done about this... (Write in)
Find a wide-open area like a park that doesn't have any environmental hazards and look around.
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>>3917456
Well, it's not like it really hurts you. Just illustrating that you blocked what would've hit Liliesviel.
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>>3917454
>If there is the possibility that you're under attack by some enemy, it's better to err on the side of caution, and moving in a car limits your capabilities. Go on foot, over the rooftops. (Compassion)
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So far we know:
>We got bad-lucked like those people downtown Vaisset told us about. First the brakes failed mysteriously, then the map got screwed up, and just now a glass pane shattered for seemingly no reason and rained glass down upon Lily.
>We didn't sense any foreign presence, which means Assassin didn't act directly and whatever he's doing doesn't count as an attack that could end Presence Concealment. That, or his is at least A+.
>Assassin is aiming to kill Lily, which means he must be apprehensive about facing us directly. That implies he's weaker in a straight fight.
>Assassin might think Lily's our Master, but this is doubtful because he probably scouted all the Servants -- especially us, since our battles were highly visible and we know he killed Lumenza. It's very likely that he saw our fight with Berserker and he might also know that Lancer is Odin.
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>>3917454
>[ ] Perhaps there's something else to be done about this... (Write in)
Could we summon any luck enhancing phantasmal beasts?
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>>3917545
Supporting this for the hell of it.
Though really, what sort of luck enhancing phantasmal beasts are there?
Maybe a unicorn?
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Another option, assassin's presence can't be sensed in a traditional way. But they seem to be constantly releasing some magical effect to mess with our luck. If we could summon something that can sense magic by sight or smell they could follow it back to its source, at best finding assassin and at worst just getting assassin to stop that unlucky magical effect before they're found.
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>>3917547
>Pixiu can swallow everything without letting anything out, so it is a symbol of bringing wealth from all directions. It can also drive evils away and bring in good luck. In ancient China it is also believed to be a kind of “Fierce Beast” and used as a term for brave troops.
Apart from that, I can't find a lot.
Maybe what we need is something perceptive to see through our attacker's concealment.
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>>3917454
>>3917456
This seems like a good idea.
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Alright, I'm making a list of things that could help with Assassin:
>The Katobleps is a bull-shaped monster that can kill with poisonous breath or a glare. It doesn't matter if we (or even it) can't see Assassin when we can flood an area with deadly gas, but we can't use it if either he or Lily is nearby.
>The Cockatrice is another indiscriminate weapon, since it can kill anything just by looking at it or breathing on it.
>Maybe if we go back and ask Odin really nicely, he might let us summon Huginn and Muninn.
I wouldn't try summoning, though, given the bad luck we're going through.
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>>3917456
>>3917454
This, once we get there we can summon.
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>>3917454
>>[ ] If there is the possibility that you're under attack by some enemy, it's better to err on the side of caution, and moving in a car limits your capabilities. Go on foot, over the rooftops. (Compassion)

Oedipus assassin! The only bastard with enough bad luck in his life to have it spread out
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So, this is a bit of a tangent, but I've been looking at putting the text of this quest into a PDF and I'd like your input on formatting. I've prepared two samples of the same section, attached in this and the subsequent post.
First, here's the version formatted like a book, intended to be read in two-page view.
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Second, here's the version intended to be read one page at a time, with formatting more along the lines of the way text is displayed here, or how a transcript of the original VN might appear.

Let me know which version you think looks better, and if you have any other thoughts on the subject.
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>>3917832
I prefer bookstyle personally, the text is larger and easier to read
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>>3917832
This one's definitely easier to read if nothing else. When the lines get too long your brain can get lost in the text, then have a hard time finding where you left off.
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>>3917832
this one is much better. the zoom doesn't even text wrap the other option
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>>3917973
I'm not quite getting what you mean by that, mind expanding on it? Zooming in doesn't wrap text in either one, since they're PDFs and as such static.
Do you mean that the second option generally has the text too small in relation to the page, giving it a zoomed out feel?
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Since you're not exactly clamoring with excitement and plans at this predicament I doubt if the extra time will mean anything, but I should let you folks know that I can't update tonight. Hope to have something posted during the day tomorrow, though.
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>>3918860
There's not much we can really discuss that we wouldn't have discussed 9 threads or so about bad luck Assassin.

Assassin just isn't a very entertaining class, F/SN got around this by literally forcing him to stand on stairs.
True Assassin meanwhile is the most forgettable servant of all.

Also I think anons wanted to try to bring Tsubaki along to help avoid a situation like this, but instead we just uselessly had her scry literally everyone in order to learn nothing useful.
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>>3918919
Speaking of which, the vote to try having her come along won didn't it?
What the fuck happened there?
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Hold on a tick.
If navigation is a problem, we can ask Ayaka to get Tsubaki and have her scry for us. She shouldn't be affected by Assassin's bullshit so she can help us navigate by sending directions through Ayaka.
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>>3918919
I wouldn't say all that, but I'm certainly lost for any useful input.
I'm sure we'll all have something to say when or if the enemy is actually revealed.
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I figured it out. We’re under attack by Assassin Bill Clinton, whose NP allows him to Mark an enemy and make it so that they die in a way that looks like an accident. However since it’s not terribly powerful he only uses it against humans effectively.
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>>3919053
No, no, Assassin is Counter Guardian NIXON using his NP, Watergate, which summons hordes of secret agents to interfere illegally in the Grail War. Luckily the NP also fixes his destiny, so if we survive for just a few more updates we'll find his hiding spot and smoke him out.
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>>3918930
...huh. I had the impression that the majority vote was to go along with Lily's plan after having Tsubaki scry, but I suppose I could've made a mistake. My apologies if that's so.
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We should ask Lily if she knows anything about luck-manipulating magecraft or magic. Someone seems to be hexxing us. If the assassin isn’t Bill Clinton it might be one like Semiramis who would make sense to be summoned as a caster but is an assassin anyway.
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Judging from the fact that bad luck was going around even back at the very start of the war, I wager that it's more likely to be a passive AoE NP around them that Assassin has no control over.

So if it's not a Hassan, does that give anyone any ideas?
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...
I'm ready for Assassin Gavrilo Princip.
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>>3917454
>>[ ] If there is the possibility that you're under attack by some enemy, it's better to err on the side of caution, and moving in a car limits your capabilities. Go on foot, over the rooftops. (Compassion)
As fun as rolling the gacha again may be, the chance of getting something useful in this particular situation vs. a liability is too low.
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>>3919901
Actually, scratch that for now. I'm either going to reconsider or have the votes get counted before I make up my mind, either one is ok with me.
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>>3920941
Quite
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*coughs awkwardly*
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So how are we gonna find Assassin? He'll probably just do nothing if we go to an open area with nothing to work on bad luck. We need to get to the GG eventually.
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>>3921440
If we go to an open area and wait long enough, one of three things will happen:
>Assassin will get tired of waiting and attack directly (best case)
>Assassin will get tired of waiting and leave for a while (OK but not great)
>Someone else will come to spill our guts and it'll become a three-way fight (worst case)
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>>3921521
So how do we know if he leaves? No presence to sense.
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>>3921535
We'll know he's left or died when the bad luck stops.
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I can't believe Sweets is dead.
On Alberich's birthday no less!
Quick everyone, wish Alberich a happy birthday before it's too late.
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>>3921769
Happy birthday to my guy
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>>3921769
This would be the perfect time for that drawfag to post his stuff. Too bad.
Happy birthday to the only lolicon hero on /qst/!
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God this is a horrible position to be in. An escort mission where the dependent could get sniped by bad luck at any second, no idea where the enemy is, extremely limited information on how his power works, and to top it all off we're lost.

The enemy's hex seems to be targeted at Lily but Vaisset reported:
>On the street there were erratic lights, failures to brake properly by drivers, jaywalking, and most of all stumbling. Everyone I saw was falling down continuously, seeming to trip over their own feet more often than not. It was as if every possible stroke of bad luck that could affect the streets broke out at once

What kind of method leaves the least to chance?
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Is Sweets kill?
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>>3922001
I guess there's only one thing we can do at this moment.

Discuss how Alberich and co. would fare in Carnival Phantasm.
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Right now, you think, the two most important things are to gain information and seize control of the situation. To continue moving towards your initial goal of the Einzbern Tower would be predictable behavior, and if you're right in thinking that there's an enemy hunting you who's capable of completely hiding his presence and triggering malevolent accidents on command then acting predictable is the very last thing you ought to be doing. Still, even if you have come to a new decision about your enemy your immediate next step remains unchanged. The first thing to do when gathering information and taking control of the situation is of necessity the information-gathering, and there's one clear way of finding out where you are.

With that in mind you make sure you're holding Liliesviel securely and start looking for the best place to make your ascent. It seems the way you had to swiftly pull her out of danger gave the girl quite a fright, as she's now clinging to your lapels, one in each dainty hand, and burying her face in your chest. You'd pulled Liliesviel up into a hug before, not thinking as you moved at top speed to protect her, but that won't do to carry her up a building with you; so you now bring her up into your arms more properly, cradling her with your left arm supporting her thighs and your right around her shoulders. As you do so, though, you receive a shock: during the swift motion of your picking Liliesviel up, her dress slipped slightly out of place, so that rather than the silk and lace of her skirt you now find that your left hand grips her bare leg. Still, you couldn't conveniently withdraw your hand and get her dress under it without leaving Liliesviel to hand painfully from her shoulders for a moment, so you silently hope she won't protest. The softness of her skin on your fingertips and the sweet scent of her tickling your nose threaten to distract you again, but with a small effort of discipline you keep your mind on the immediate matter of addressing your attack.

Startled by the movement, and no doubt by the untoward location of your hand, Liliesviel withdraws her face from your shirt and tie to look up at you. "Alberich," she asks, "is this still only a 'minor problem,' or are we in danger?"

Perhaps she hasn't really noticed your hand, somehow? Your experiences with women up until now, particularly the vocal tendencies of Ayaka and Kōrakuhime, definitely suggest that she should have cried out and possibly slapped you, but no such reaction has appeared. In any case, if Liliesviel is content to overlook your hand's accidental infringement you certainly won't bring it up. You put your thoughts on the subject aside to answer her.
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"I believe we're under an attack by a hidden enemy, most likely Assassin," you explain, feeling yourself become more certain of the conclusion as you put it into words. "Don't worry, Liliesviel," you reassure her. "Just hold on to me for the time being, and follow my lead later. I won't let you come to harm."

Liliesviel gives you a beatific smile, the trust she has in you showing in her expression as she says, "I know you'll protect me, Alberich. Thank you."

With Liliesviel informed of your new conclusion, you look around once more, and your eyes settle on a nearby alley between two tall office buildings, one of which is outfitted with a large, old-fashioned fire escape that can easily be used to scale the thing. Without wasting any more time, you dart into the alley and begin a rapid ascent of the metallic stairwell. You haven't gotten more than a story up, though, when an ominous creaking reaches your ears. All at once, the bolts that secure the fire-escape to the building slide free, and the entire thing folds up like an accordion and comes crashing down on top of you.

Would come crashing down on you, at least, were you still a human. You're fast enough as it is to crouch and leap out between two landings while the stairwell is beginning to fall and get well clear of the wreckage by the time it's worthy of the term. Another 'accident' to add to the tally of attempts on your life by this unknown assailant. Fortunately for you, even with your stairs removed the buildings are close enough to one another that you can easily climb by jumping between the two. Not wanting to give your enemy time to think of a new means of attack, you begin the ascent the moment you've concluded it's possible. With your modern clothing still on, you can't help noticing that you aren't leaving behind as much property damage this time as during your last few experiences with rapid movement; even with your momentum, leather shoes just don't make the kind of impact that enameled steel boots do.

In a few moments you've vaulted onto the roof of the taller of the two buildings. It doesn't seem as if you were seen during your superhuman climb, due to your heavily shadowed choice of location, so you can still consider the magus code that Ayaka cares for so much to be more or less unbroken. A moment later, you're surprised to see Stachel emulating your rapid leaps and summiting the tower just as you did, swinging gracefully over the short wall on the rooftop with one hand before her uniform high heels click down on the concrete. Apparently this maid has rather greater physical abilities than you'd given her credit for. You give the young woman a searching glance, but she remains expressionless and silent; if she sees the desire for an explanation in your eyes, she doesn't act on it.
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From your new vantage point, you're finally able to get your bearings and scan the horizon. From up here, it seems as if the map you had in the car really was accurate, and it was the street signs that were misleading you. Whatever the source of your driving confusion, though, you're able to chart out a new path to the ruins of the Einzbern Tower that should take only a half-hour or forty five minutes, given the extremely light traffic you've been seeing so far today. You're not planning to go to the Einzbern Tower immediately, though. What you want is some way to wrong-foot your enemy and take back the advantage, and as you look around the city a plan to do so gradually takes shape in your mind.

If you can get to a wide-open area, one where there's nothing that could feasibly malfunction in such a way that it could endanger Liliesviel, you'll be able to force your enemy's hand and draw them out of hiding. There's just such a place nearby, too. About three blocks away, you can see among the slim, towering forms of the offices the broader expanse of a parking garage, with an empty rooftop parking area that's as wide-open as you could hope for. Whispering, "Hold on tight, Liliesviel, I'll be moving quickly again," to your passenger, you sprint off over the adjacent rooftops towards the parking garage as soon as you're sure of your plan.

Surprisingly, you find that nothing threatens Liliesviel or bars your path as you approach the intended location of your showdown with the unseen attacker. In fact, it's no more difficult to make it to the parking garage than it was to carry Ayaka to the house in which you first met Kōrakuhime, that night when the two of you seemed to float over the suburbs together between the sea of sleeping humanity and the empty sky above. Now, as you pass above the half-dead city, below the great void of the clear blue sky, you find that you can't help thinking of the two situations as parallel, and wondering if this unknown attacker might not be carrying some new revelation about your identity.

You touch down on the roof of the parking garage and materialize your armor immediately. The smooth expanse of concrete takes up nearly an entire city block, and is completely empty. If your attacker intends to continue their campaign of harassment, they'll have no choice but to confront you. At the same time, you set Liliesviel down on her feet, leaving yourself free to move and fight without endangering her. Heiligöffnungschwert appears in your hand, its black blade piercing the sunlight like a fresh shadow cast by some bizarrely shaped aircraft high above. Then you wait, looking for the foe.
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Almost ten minutes pass without event. You're almost tempted to conclude that the enemy has departed, and move on towards your goal, but the prudent, rational voice at the back of your mind cautions that to do so would likely be to walk into a trap. Finally something does happen, though, to the sound of a roaring engine. A massive van suddenly comes barreling up the ramp connecting this parking area to the lower levels. It's almost too large to fit through the aperture, but not quite. It makes it, and once the thing is out on your level it immediately fixes on you and Liliesviel, accelerating towards the two of you at full power.

>[ ] Grab Liliesviel and dodge out of the way! (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Step forward and cut the thing in half! (Duty)

>[ ] Bind and immobilize the attacker with tendrils of Nothingness! (Pride)

>[ ] Do something else. (Write in)
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>>3921769
>>3922001
I'm not dead! It does suck that I wasn't able to post an update on the actual first day of the quest's events, though.

>>3922009
Too bad nobody wanted to talk about it with you. I'd have liked to read that.
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>>3922033
>[ ] Grab Liliesviel and dodge out of the way! (Self-Preservation)
>[ ] Cut the van in half as it passes, and eliminate any further threat it might pose.
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>>3922033
>[ ] Step forward and cut the thing in half! (Duty)
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>>3922106
The truck splits apart and blows up behind Alberich, leaving a small charred corpse in its wake. TOUGH LUCK FOR LILY
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>>3922033
>>[ ] Grab Liliesviel and dodge out of the way! (Self-Preservation)
We could always just have Lily command spell Odin here if things get too difficult to handle.

Also what the fuck is Assassin doing?
Surely they must understand this current course of action is truly pointless?
They won't kill a Servant with their accident making and all killing Lily would do is piss off said Servant, and also Odin.
And also prevent them from using the grail properly.

So we can conclude that Assassin is either really fucking stupid. Trying to prevent the grail from being used for whatever reason, or has teamed up with the single faction that can use the grail without needing Lily who just happens to have multiple reasons for wanting her out of the way (CIRCE I SWEAR TO FUCK).
Attacking us during the day also screams of trying to be too sneaky for their own good

I feel like the first option isn't too likely, considering how well hidden they've kept themselves until now.
The second option might be the case, but it would be a decision taken on their own, Emiya's faction would never approve this current course.
The only person that can use the grail without Lily would just happen to be Caster. So it could be that this is one of that idiot Yumigawa's hare-brained schemes and he's allied with Assassin, especially the "They'll never expect an attack during the day!" thing.

I can't believe he really did turn into literal Shinji.

You know, we could just pick up Lily, pop Kenotis and let the truck hit us

>>3922009
Carnival Phantasm would be a weird one considering that all the F/SN crew should still appear as they did in F/SN.
And now I'm thinking of some sort of Terminator parody with Alberich trying to kill Shirou during the 5th Grail War.
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>>3922109
>TOUGH LUCK FOR LILY
And the perfect time for Circefags to eliminate her.
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>>3922045
>>3922033
We should be capable of doing this, support.
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>>3922033
>>3922206
Wait no
>Grab Liliesviel and KENÓTIS
Literally the perfect situation to deploy this
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>>3922231
Supporting this. Completely no-sell this trivial bullshit.
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>>3922109
A single tear drips from the QM's eye as he is forced to write the death of a heroine.

>>3922113
>trying to be too sneaky for their own good
What do you mean by this?

>he really did turn into literal Shinji.
Of course he didn't! Look at all the differences between them. Yumigawa is less emotional, for one thing. And... his, ah.... his hair! It's not blue or wavy!
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>>3922032
>>3922231
The inanimates got to fail somehow and my bet is through direct contact.
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>>3922363
Attacking your enemies during the day might seem like a bright idea because they won't expect it, but the whole point of the Assassin class is the ability to remain undetected and strike from the shadows.
Not to throw ultimately annoying but harmless vehicles at your opponent.

Which is significantly harder in the day.
Then again, Alberich's ability to detect enemies is garbage.

>less emotional
Shinji normally keeps his cool too, at least until things stop going his way (granted, this is usually immediately.)

Yumigawa should be prone to a spergeout when things stop going his way too.
I actually imagine he sperged out upon realising he "lost" "his" power.
Then once again when he found out about Alberich.
Can't wait for his realization that he was actually completely worthless from the start.

He might not have the same hair, but his chosen VA doesn't lie.
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I guess Circe really is worst girl for being able to tolerate being around the Diet Shinji that is the original Rushorou.
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>>3922033
I like this >>3922045
but I'd like to add a stipulation where we slash the tire as we cut it just to be safe.

Regarding the use of Kenotis, I don't think it's a good idea to show off our abilities when our opponent is an inanimate object. In these probing attacks it's best to respond with the least effort necessary while still getting the job done.
>>3922383
>throw ultimately annoying but harmless vehicles at your opponent
It's harmless until we get ROADA ROLLAR DA dropped on us
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>>3922979
If this assassin has viewed any of our fights, he should know Alberich's basic moveset aside from his newly acquired durability.
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>>3922979
>It's harmless until we get ROADA ROLLAR DA dropped on us
And then it's still harmless because that shit has no mystery.
It's only a threat to Lily.
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Dodge and cut the van
>>3922045
>>3922979

Cut the van in two
>>3922106

Dodge out of the way
>>3922113

Guard with your Noble Phantasm
>>3922231
>>3922348
>>3922380
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>>3922987
Maybe, but he can't have been stalking us 24/7 all war. He would have made a move at some point during our fights if he was. No need to be showy if it can be avoided.
>>3922988
>that shit has no mystery.
Does the ground have mystery? Because I recall Alberich being relieved when he cushioned K-Hime after Harris kicked her butt of a building, as if she would have taken fall-damage if he hadn't. Road roller's meme-affinity would bypass a Servant's damage-resistance as least as well as the ground would. At very least it would be a pain to get out from under it since we can't dematerialize and those things are like 20 tons.
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>>3923013
Rider literally replicates the road roller scene in Hollow Ataraxia on some of Avengers shadow things.
We'll be fine
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>>3923013
Do you remember ever learning about how mystery affects Servants and damage? Alberich may not necessarily be totally in the know.
In any case, in that scene it was more of an instinctive thing. Even if you do know rationally that Servants are tough, it's natural to think of protecting a frail-looking girl from a several-story drop as being a good thing.
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>>3921792
said drawfag here, i ended up going on a long ass family trip without my tablet. i get back on the 28th.
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>>3923184
Glad to hear from you again, anon. Hope you're enjoying the trip.
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Who wins?

Lancerich, Saberich, and Riderich?

or

Berserkerich, Alberssassin, and Archerich?

Assume all masters are Lily clones.
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>>3924543
Tough question. I'm tempted to say that Assassin Alberich would sweep; Kenótis and Presence Concealment is a brutal combo.
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Rolled 751, 696, 123, 32, 142, 564 = 2308 (6d1000)

>>3924543
>Assume all masters are Lily clones.
This quickly becomes less a battle of "which Alberich is the strongest." and instead becomes a battle of Gacha Luck as they all try and throw the strongest things from the realm of imaginary numbers at each other.

Though most likely, only Saberich and Riderich have access to that ability anyway.

1) Lancer
2) Saber
3) Rider
4) Berserker
5) Assassin
6) Archer
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>>3924703
You're forgetting that all the other Alberichs can try to block his Kenótis with their own, because when Presence Concealment drops they can sense him; Lancer in particular should have an easier time since you've mentioned that his cloak would be more voluminous. The only problem is that it quickly becomes two men trying to slap each other with pieces of cloth and it looks really gay.
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>>3924543
Some notes on the Alberich variants:
Lancer Alberich has light scale-mail armor and a cape similar to Saber's, with the additional advantage of being able to freely project its surface into a "lance" of coiled fabric extending outward in a long, thin cone.
Saber Alberich you know.
Rider Alberich has superior summoning abilities at the cost of inferior magical skills and martial skill. His Riding is of equivalent sufficient to mount just about anything that can carry him from the Realm of Imaginary Numbers, though.
Berserker Alberich is the bulkiest of the options, and has the highest raw stats courtesy of Madness. He also fights barehanded, though.
Assassin Alberich makes the best use of Kenótis, wearing it as a full mantle and combining it with Presence Concealment and Knight's Tactics. He has no armor.
Archer Alberich wears armor more similar to the Roman lorica segmentata, and makes use of a bow that can fire arrows which pass through portals to the Realm of Imaginary Numbers to change direction, skip past obstacles, or cover impossible distances. He also bears Clairvoyance in order to facilitate this superhuman archery.
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>>3925076
Any major changes in appearance between the variants in terms of more physical attributes (i.e. longer hair, facial structure, whether or not they skipped leg day, etc.)?
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>>3925120
Assassin Alberich is visually identical to the protagonist from the very end of Fate/City Akeldama, in face and body. So, he's 6' tall and his muscles are a bit leaner than Saber's.
Saber and Rider look almost completely identical, in addition to having the most similar skillset. Only their hair differs; Rider lets it grow out a bit longer than Saber's, and doesn't style it, preferring to emulate the mane that his helmet possesses. Lancer also looks identical to Saber and Rider, but differs in his equipment enough that there's no confusion.
Berserker is fully seven feet tall, and as I mentioned above is generally bulkier than the other alternatives. His face may be the same as his counterparts' or it may be different; it's hard to say as it's twisted in a constant mask of rage.
Archer has a physique between Assassin's and Saber's, and a 6'1" height. He has shoulder-length hair, and his facial features are also slightly different; slightly larger eyes, perhaps, or something softer in the curve of cheek and brow. Whatever it may be, he seems somehow more androgynous than his counterparts.
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>>3925182
Which Alberich would have the biggest advantage over another one in a 1V1 battle?
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>>3925288
Probably Archer over Rider, since Rider would want to go for a wide-open space in order to get the best use out of his mount and Archer could then very easily snipe him.
Saber has a pretty big advantage over Berserker, for obvious reasons.
Assassin could kill any of the others with ease, provided he can set everything up perfectly.
The most evenly matched pair is definitely Saber and Lancer.
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>>3925182
>>3925313
>inb4 Carnival Phantasm segment where all of Alberich's romantic interests argue over which version of him is best boy.
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A van. You've faced and slain some of the greatest heroes of legend; bound Achilles, seen through Odysseus, and crossed swords with King Arthur; and your latest enemy strikes at you with a rampaging automobile. After the tense wait on the rooftop up until now, you find that the anticlimax is simply too much for you. All the serious consideration you've given this enemy in the last hour or so suddenly seems utterly absurd, and your tension melts into hilarity. As you watch the absurdly mundane danger coming towards you, it seems there's nothing to be done but laugh in its face, giving free voice to the derision boiling up from within as your guffaws mix with the sound of the engine.

Your mirth isn't enough to inhibit your reaction, however. Even if this ludicrous thing can bear no threat to you, it can harm Liliesviel if you treat it too lightly; so, though you're tempted to simply let it slam pointlessly into you, you move to protect yourself together with her. With time to spare as the vehicle barrels forward, you reach down and clutch Liliesviel to your chest, pulling her within the encircling shroud of your cloak. With your other hand you flick one edge aloft, so that in the moment when the van is to make its impact your vision is wholly covered by darkness.

"Kenótis!" At your command, you feel energy flowing into the Noble Phantasm and moments later see the cleanly severed right wall of the van flying past you, carried onward by the momentum of its vanished core, with fragments of partially consumed wheel spinning off in various directions below. Though you should be used to it by now, the complete lack of an impact as the force of an object clashing with your Noble Phantasm is consumed never ceases to startle you when it happens. There was simply one moment in which the sound of the engine filled your ears as the van was pushed to its mechanical limits, and silence the next.

That silence is shortly broken, however, as the fragments of the vehicle come crashing down on the concrete around you in a cacophany of jumbled metal and rubber. At the same time, your cloak drifts back to its accustomed position, leaving you, Liliesviel, and Stachel standing between two fallen van walls, gently swaying on their convex surfaces. If there was any driver, they've vanished along with the rest of the vehicle.

You hold Liliesviel to you for a few seconds more, watching alertly for any further sign of attack, but none materializes. There's only the wind, blowing evenly across the roof and keeping the last motion in the van's shattered frame. Once you're satisfied that the meaningless attack will have no immediate sequel, you withdraw your arm, letting her step away and give you a little curtsy.
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"Thank you again for protecting me," the girl says with a gentle smile, before turning away to take a curious look at the fragments of vehicle. As she does so, Stachel quietly walks up from behind you and begins smoothing out the new wrinkles that have appeared in Liliesviel's dress due to her rough treatment. It's that sort of constant attention to maintenance that forms the foundation of a maid's training, you suppose.

"If it's a Servant trying to kill us, I doubt they were driving that," Liliesviel declares thoughtfully. "I haven't felt a Servant die."

"Thank you, Liliesviel," you answer, nodding agreement. "From the pattern of the attacks we've received up until now, I'm sure the enemy has either the ability to affect us in such a way that we attract harm from our surroundings or to manipulate inanimate objects remotely. During my first phase of reconnaissance in this War, my Master and I observed a similar effect being practiced on the people of the city."

"Is that so?" Looking pensive, Liliesviel kicks idly at the severed van wall with an ornate shoe, and for a time the low clanging of her heel on its metal makes the only sound on the rooftop. Finally she seems to come to a decision and spins around to give you another dazzling smile, lacing her hands behind her back. "I don't think it matters," she announces cheerfully. "You've had no problem defending me against their attacks so far, right? Let's just go on to the Greater Grail like this, and let whoever wants to come between us grind their teeth when they see how useless it is to challenge you!"

"That may be for the best," you tentatively agree, considering the situation with care. You sweep your gaze along the empty rooftops, willing your attacker to give some sign of physical presence: a distant silhouette, a shadow in a window, a door swinging shut, anything; but there's nothing to suggest anyone around save you, your companions, and the mundanes.

>[ ] Decide to go on, as Liliesviel suggests. It doesn't seem likely that you'll draw the enemy out this way. Return to the car and follow the route you planned from above. (Pride)

>[ ] Decide to go on, but follow the rooftops. Within the enclosed space of a car, it will be more difficult to protect Liliesviel if interference persists. (Compassion/Duty)

>[ ] Remain where you are until either your enemy makes an appearance or night falls. You absolutely refuse to continue while exposing yourself and those around you to an unknown threat. (Compassion/Self-Preservation)

>[ ] Do something else (Write in)
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>>3925374
>[ ] Decide to go on, but follow the rooftops. Within the enclosed space of a car, it will be more difficult to protect Liliesviel if interference persists. (Compassion/Duty)
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>>3925374
>[ ] Decide to go on, but follow the rooftops. Within the enclosed space of a car, it will be more difficult to protect Liliesviel if interference persists. (Compassion/Duty)
Assassin will probably leave if we try to wait him out, and we can't give Circe time to break through Odin's protection.
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>>3925374
>>[ ] Decide to go on, but follow the rooftops. Within the enclosed space of a car, it will be more difficult to protect Liliesviel if interference persists. (Compassion/Duty)
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>>3925340
God, it'd be like FGO players arguing over best saberface. I love it.
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>>3925713
>>3925340
And then right on cue at the end, Titania pops in to insult their plebian tastes in picking only one version of him instead of taking the high ground and loving ALL OF THEM, like her.
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For some reason I get the feeling that Assassin replaced Lily while we weren't looking.
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>>3925722
Caster would have an Alberich for every situation.

An Archer as a cute son she can dote over (and dress up) much to their dismay. A Berserker for jobs that require a bit of muscle. Rider for....."night games".
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>>3925374
>[ ] Decide to go on, as Liliesviel suggests. It doesn't seem likely that you'll draw the enemy out this way. Return to the car and follow the route you planned from above. (Pride)
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>>3925368
>Completely ignores Roland
Implicit kek

>>3925773
¿Nani?
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>>3926249
>I bound the eternal raging hero, bested the king of knights, outwitted the favored of Athena, struck down a god, and also stepped on a frog
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>>3925929
>Archer as a cute son
Woah, woah, woah! Stop right there, anon! No version of Alberich is a shota.
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>>3926439
Too late, he is now a cute boy.
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>>3926439
The board of directors has already mandated that Alberich needs to be a shota. Art is a compromise between vision and reality Sweets.
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>>3926439
This is the future you chose.
You cannot stop it.
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>>3925929
>>3926439
I also wouldn't be opposed to Archer being a cute little brother.
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>>3926609
Are you the same anon who was saying Alberich had an Oedipus complex a while back?
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>>3926618
I'm afraid not.
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>>3925374
>>[ ] Decide to go on, but follow the rooftops. Within the enclosed space of a car, it will be more difficult to protect Liliesviel if interference persists. (Compassion/Duty)

haha stupid truck
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Alright, we've got a pretty clear majority for going on over the rooftops. Writing now.
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"Yes," you say, coming to a decision. "We'll make our way to the Greater Grail with no further delay. There's no sense in waiting for a foe who insists on stalking us from the shadows, in any case."

"Great! I'm glad you agree." Liliesviel turns away from the wreckage, walking back over to you and raising her arms as if to embrace you, demonstrating her expectation to once again be carried. "Are you going to take me back to your car, then?"

"No, I don't relish the thought of driving with more of our enemy's interference," you answer, shaking your head. You briefly lower yourself to scoop up the expectant girl, slipping one arm under her legs and the other around her shoulders in the accustomed princess-carry. As she lets out a satisfied sigh, wrapping her arms around your neck to steady her posture, you can't help contrasting in your mind's eye this reaction with Ayaka's manifest dissatisfaction with being carried on your back. It is amusing, the effect that as simple a thing as posture has on the two girls. Returning your mind to its proper course, however, you continue speaking. "We'll go over the rooftops to the Greater Grail. You'll have to suffer the wind, I'm afraid, but this method of travel will be more direct, as well as more easily defended."

"I'll be alright," Liliesviel replies, pulling herself up into a half-seated posture to speak softly into your ear. "The wind won't trouble me, as long as I can snuggle up to you for warmth, Alberich."

Something in her tone, and the hot breath against your skin, sends a tingle right down your spine. Whatever happens, you just can't seem to get used to this girl. Stifling your reaction, you focus on the practical, acknowledging her statement with a stiff, "Excellent," before turning to the girl's maid. "Stachel, you seem to have speed somewhat beyond human limits," you say. "Do you think you'll be able to keep up?"

"That is uncertain," she answers in a flat, toneless voice. "However, I will try to the best of my abilities to serve Lady Liliesviel and yourself, Lord Alberich." Although you keep your gaze on the maid for a few moments more, there's no clue in her expression or body language to suggest whether she expects to succeed or fail. You suppose you'll have to be satisfied with her vow to do her best.

"Very well then," you say. "Follow me."

With that, you set off to the northeast. It's easy going, as the office towers have flat roofs and tend to be of similar enough height that you have no difficulty leaping from one to another. As you had feared, though, you have to make periodic stops to allow Stachel to catch up. For a non-Servant her speed and power are admirable, but ultimately she's far from matching your capabilities. Even with Stachel slowing you, though, the trip goes without difficulty. It seems as if your hidden assailant may truly have given up the attack.
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"Liliesviel," you begin, speaking up in the midst of a leap between two high-rise apartment buildings, "you mentioned that this ritual will link me to the Greater Grail. Would you mind answering a question about that?" Although you're keeping your eyes on your surroundings, with things having calmed down it doesn't seem like it would do any harm to make some small talk; it's a long trip, after all, and leaving Liliesviel in silence seems callous.

"No," comes the soft reply at your ear. "Go ahead; what would you like to know?"

"I've heard the Greater Grail spoken of as an enormous mass of magical energy, all that's been collected from the leylines over the years to facilitate the War," you explain. "If this ritual will be to connect me with the Greater Grail, will that render me capable of drawing from that energy supply for my own magic?"

Before you've even finished speaking you can feel Liliesviel's head shaking against your shoulder, vigorously denying the notion. "You can't!" she protests, sounding suddenly frightened. "Don't even consider that kind of thing! If you took energy from the Greater Grail, the whole War could fall apart, and dispel you and the other Servants!" For a moment there's only silence between you as you process this; then Liliesviel continues, evidently having calmed down. "This ritual wouldn't make that possible, anyway. It's meant to establish a conceptual link for Transference of effects, to make sure you're included in the final stage of the Heaven's Feel ritual. It wouldn't create a channel magical energy could flow through. The other ritual would create a deeper connection, of course, but..." she trails off.

"I see," you reply. "I had thought it might be useful in cases of emergency, but if it's as you say I'll have to put the notion from my mind."

"Alberich, are you having trouble with magical energy?" Liliesviel perks up again as she asks the question. "You can always leave that Shijou girl behind and become my Servant if that's so; I could give you much more, and it would be so much easier to cooperate without her coming between us," she coos in your ear, seeming to relish the notion. It's the not the first time Liliesviel has raised the topic, but you have to admit it's a more desirable concept now than it was when first she made the suggestion. Ayaka seems to be having increasing difficulty with the amount of magical energy you use; if you could fight without limitations, it would surely make dangerous foes like Harris more easily managed. There is the matter of Ayaka's sacrificial ritual to be considered, however. You wonder if she might be convinced to use it on your behalf were she not your Master. Certainly the question of which Master is preferable isn't as easily answered as it once was.
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>[ ] "Is there some method you know of, for me to become your Servant without Miss Ayaka's death?" (Self-Preservation)

>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
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>>3928104
>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
"Perhaps it's best not to talk about these matters when our enemies are watching. I'm not entirely sure that Assassin has given up, and there is always that Servant who attacked you: she may be waiting for the chance to ambush us."
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>>3928104
>>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
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>>3928104
>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
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>>3928101
>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
Denied.
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>local hero refuses to actually go down the Lily route when it is presented.

What a surprise. It seems you underestimated the importance of closure, Sweets.
Even if the majority of players(?) didn't prefer Circe or Adelheid, now the two (maybe) are revealed to be alive, going full romance with one of the new characters is even less likely.
If you really wanted that, you should've just killed them both conclusively at the end of Akeldama.

Just a thought.
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>>3928392
>Implying
I just don't want to betray Ayaka in such an egregious way.
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>>3928392
>Even if the majority of players(?) didn't prefer Circe or Adelheid
I still lprefer Circe and Adelheid.........
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>>3928398
There's also this singular Ayakafag to worry about.
But honestly, there's just such a disconnect between the players and the character we're controlling sometimes.
In both stuff the players have figured out that the "genius" Alberich can't figure out with the exact same information.
And just generally how players feel about characters compared to Alberich.

Yumigawa in Akeldama was a superior quest protagonist to what Alberich is now, honestly. Alberich might be a better protagonist of a different medium of entertainment, but not a quest, really.
Namely in their presented levels of intelligence.
As a master who couldn't take servants on one on one, Yumigawa was forced to outwit his opponents, Alberich doesn't do this anymore.
Alberich feels like an idiot simply because he's both strong and should be able to easily kill his enemies yet he just flails uselessly despite this and is constantly on the receiving end of other people's plans.

It really says a lot about Alberich when one of his coolest moments was just rehashing what Yumigawa did to Judas.
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>>3928409
Conclusion: retardation is proportional to Pride score.
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>>3928416
From this we can draw that over time, Alberich will actually only get worse.
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>>3928425
Oh, and that Titania would get outsmarted and defeated in record time.

Everyone prefers Shota Alberich anyway.
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>>3928447
>Everyone prefers Shota Alberich
Sweets:
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>>3928392
>refuses to actually go down the Lily route when it is presented
Is that what you think this choice is?
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>>3928104
>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
>>3928447
>Everyone prefers Shota Alberich anyway.
Source fucking needed.
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>>3928476
It's a significant decision in regards to Lily that is just getting nope'd to oblivion.
We can argue semantics if you like, but the intent is clear.
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>>3928409
It seems that no matter what happens or what successes he experiences, you'll continue to feel that Alberich is a useless idiot and Akeldama was the better quest. It's obvious that I can't redeem Awakening Mirror in your eyes at this point, and frankly I'm about out of things to say about it. I'll keep writing the best quest I can; sorry it doesn't meet your protagonist expectations.
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>>3928490
Ignore him man, this is the same smug asshole that's always complaining. I won't speak for the majority of the players like he does but I'm feeling a lot better about Alberich in Awakening Mirror these days.
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>>3928490
I just think that for all the character development he's gone through, he somehow feels like a more shallow character who's only managed to pick up more negative character traits.
>>3928492
I do agree that he has been getting better, but he still doesn't feel as entertaining as a protagonist as Yumigawa.
I just prefer characters that don't brute force their way through everything and instead use their heads.
Kourakuhime as a character basically exists to call Alberich a retard in most of their interactions.
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>>3928500
I certainly agree, but what's the point of complaining about it? It's not like we can about-face and change Alberich back from Servant Shinji to the domineering, Alexander-esque conquerer by just bitching about it. Besides, the circumstances of the quest have made him this way. There's really nothing for it.
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>>3928511
It's just bizarre to me that Alberich as a Servant is so much more pathetic than he was as a Master.
His victories aren't really anything to take pride in because he basically just relies on his cheat code noble phantasms for everything.
When he can't rely on his cheat NPs, he just gets totally destroyed in a fight.
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>>3928528
Damn, if only we played him more strategically then you wouldn't be having this problem.
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>>3928528
And what's the point of complaining about that? It's bizarre to me that you insist on repeatedly complaining about shit in a totally unproductive and annoying manner.
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>>3928530
It's a problem of both Sweets and the players.
Though every time we try to plan anything special, even with explicit write-ins sometimes, Alberich will act like a retard to ensure it fails.
Like against Odysseus.
Or even against Matsuda, where he used his binding ability in a terribly obvious way against a Servant with EotM: A and Agility: A.

Why even bother putting effort into write-ins anymore?
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>>3928528
>It's just bizarre to me that Alberich as a Servant is so much more pathetic
He's not.
>When he can't rely on his cheat NPs, he just gets totally destroyed in a fight.
That tends to be the case when your enemies are designed to counter you and are also very, very strong in their own right. I mean, we've faced some top-class heroes: Achilles, Artoria, Odysseus...
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>>3928533
There's no point to any of this.
Just saying that Heilig is probably the singular worst thing that happened in this quest.
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>>3928540
Wow anon, thank you for being such an active contributing member of the quest. Honestly, how would we get along without your cutting criticisim which totally wasn't all aired out several threads back. Really, just fantastic.
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>>3928540
please stop and get some fresh air
>>3928544
please stop poking him
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>>3928539
>He's not
Sure doesn't act that way.
>faced some top-class heroes
...a random enforcer, one of Kourakuhime's bounded fields, Matsuda (with a skillset to perfectly counter us)...
>>3928544
We aired it all out and it really doesn't feel like much changed at all.
We all just bitched and nothing happened.
Remember when Sweets said upgrades would be more transparent?
That didn't really go anywhere, huh?
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>>3928104
>[ ] "Is there some method you know of, for me to become your Servant without Miss Ayaka's death?" (Self-Preservation)
Finally
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>>3928544
I might feel like I was writing something decent, and he can't allow that. It'd be a disaster.

>>3928549
You've had one upgrade since then and all voted for something that was already totally transparent.
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>>3928551
I wouldn't say it was totally transparent, but fine, you can have that one.
And as a whole, I still think this quest is decent, otherwise I would've just dropped it like I've dropped so many others.

But honestly, if you believe it, the removal of dice probably actually kind of harmed things, really.
Now in combat it may as well be "roll a d4 to see if you die or not.", but it's entirely down to QM fiat.
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>>3928565
>I put no more thought into consequences than random chance
You really don't stop with the insults, huh?
I really don't know how you expect anything to improve from this. I've been doing my best to stay motivated despite my work schedule and write as much as I can, hoping that we can get back to the more lively, enjoyable state of the threads from the middle of Awakening Mirror, but Jesus! It's discouraging enough that I've lost about half of my readers in the last four or five threads, and to top it off every time I do update I get this relentless negativity, insults to the intelligence of every character in the story and me in the bargain.
Are you trying to grind down my motivation?
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To everyone else, apologies. I am still open to criticism, and want to hear your opinions on anything and everything about the quest. It's just that the repetition and manner of this anon's complaints have really started to get me down.
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>>3928617
I'm not saying that the choices are random, Sweets. It's just that sometimes, the players won't know the correct choice. Making it *feel* random.
As it is, we now fight in a boring, safe way simply because there's no point taking risks.
The dice act as convenient barrier for a QM to hide behind to deflect shit.

Look, the quest is good, alright?
I'm not insulting you or your intelligence or even the intelligence of your characters (bar Alberich, but come on, he's fair game).
Sorry if it came off that way.
I enjoy the quest and will probably continue to enjoy it.
As far as me preferring Akeldama goes, just because I preferred the characterization of Yumigawa in it, it doesn't mean I consider it superior to Awakening.
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>>3928104
>>[ ] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
Ayaka knows pretty much everything and is actually loyal, so nah.

>>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
>And wouldn't transferring myself to you be an issue for your own mana considering you're already contracted with Odin? Incidentally it stuck me as odd that you would be so distrustful of your own Servant, would you care to explain a little more?
>And have you been keeping tabs on him? He seems like a dangerous person to antagonize and then leave to his own devices.

>>3928535
>even with explicit write-ins sometimes, Alberich will act like a retard to ensure it fails
While I am still a little salty on this matter, the Odysseus fumble appeared to be Sweets punishing the write-in for being a bit lazy/vague in going about a deception when dealing with an enemy reknowned for his quick wits. So if you want to do a successful write-in it has to be one hell of an effort-post when the DC is high, going over every conceivable detail and possibility while still in keeping with Alberich's established personality and habits. Or so it seems.

>>3928641
Regarding the pdf condensation of the archived threads, were you planning on making one beginning at the start of the quest? It would make going over the earlier parts of the story 90% easier. If you weren't just lemme know, I was planning on going through the archives and copy-pasting the story into some kind of text doc if no one else had plans to do so.
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>>3928940
If I remember correctly, the Odysseus thing WAS an effort post though. Alberich did the thing the write-in specifically said not to do.
So why would we bother using the write-in anymore when the generic super simple options seem far less likely to fuck up?
Why would we use the Write-in if Sweets is just going to punish us for it not being detailed enough when the vanilla options are like two sentences?
I'm not gonna keep complaining, but fuck.
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>>3929034
That being said, I did enjoy the Odysseus encounter.
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So after getting bored of Awakening, I stopped reading for a month then came back and marathoned like 3 or 4 threads. This is the result of that after a period of incredible boredom.

(Content Warning: Am not a drawfag.)
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>>3929167
Here's a more ominous version with better lighting.
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>>3929167
>>3929169
Jej, nice
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>>3928940
>Were you planning on making one beginning at the start of the quest?
I have one beginning at the start of Awakening Mirror and updated up to the current post. I don't have one finished for Akeldama, though, and I'd been planning on getting that done before posting either.
>>3929034
>Alberich did the thing the write-in specifically said not to do.
Yeah, no. Did not happen.
>>3929167
Glad to have you back! I appreciate the thought.
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>>3928940
>wouldn't transferring myself to you be an issue for your own mana considering you're already contracted with Odin?
You asked her about this the last time she made the suggestion, while you were recuperating in her home.
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>>3929368
>Yeah no. Did not happen.
Ah, right. Well, here's the write-in in question.
>Something along the lines of "Explaining the situation would take some time, do you have a few minutes to spare?" Then if he gives a particularly terse response probably have to buy a couple seconds saying something like "Alright, where to start...", which should be just enough time to send short-phrase telepathic messages to Ayaka.

>The telepathic message would be something along the lines of "Ritual, find line of sight, I'll stall, on roof of X building" where X building would be a short description to give her an idea of where we are.

Meanwhile, in the actual update, for whatever reason Alberich doesn't use the time it took for Odysseus to respond to the question in order to send a brief message to Ayaka, and instead goes straight into the "WHERE TO BEGIN?" part. Even though Odysseus' first response was more than long enough.
Which kind of missed the whole point of what the write-in was going for. Considering the "let me explain..." part was meant for if Odysseus gave an answer too short to finish notifying Ayaka.
In reality, Odysseus' answer wasn't that short.
And thus Alberich looked like an idiot once more.

So sorry, let me rephrase that. You just ignored the part of the write-in that would've worked in order to make us fail.
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>>3929463
>Odysseus' first response was more than long enough
>In reality, Odysseus' answer wasn't that short
This is where you and I differ. It was shorter than what you had to say to Ayaka, and I made note in the update of the fact that he said it tersely. Alberich did exactly what was specified in the write-in.
Let's not forget, this is in an encounter that you won. I really don't know what you're saying I made you fail for.
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>>3929475
It wasn't exactly a short answer though.
>"I've got all night," Archer answers flatly, the words coming out like products of a machine, all previous emotion gone from the curt answer. "Believe me, learning what I've gotten into is more important than that old man."
Should have been long enough to say
>"Ritual, find line of sight, I'll stall, follow path of destruction."
You can't just say he's being curt and then have him give a long answer like that.

And yes.
We won the encounter, that's great.
But merely winning doesn't delete the events leading up to a victory.
Otherwise you may as well just skip the fights altogether and just have us auto-win. We failed in that particular part of the encounter, you can't deny that.

It's hard for me to like Alberich's performance in combat when most of the time it's just him getting dominated throughout the entire fight before he arbitrarily wins immediately because his enemy has stopped being able to effortlessly counter everything he throws at them.
The ends don't justify the means.
Shit, he doesn't feel like a Servant at all during half of these fights.
He fucking feels like Bazett waiting for the insta-win to finally work.
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>>3929444
Doh! Nevermind that added bit then.
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>>3929493
>It's hard for me to like Alberich's performance in combat when most of the time it's just him getting dominated throughout the entire fight before he arbitrarily wins immediately because his enemy has stopped being able to effortlessly counter everything he throws at them.
>Shit, he doesn't feel like a Servant at all during half of these fights.
>He fucking feels like Bazett waiting for the insta-win to finally work.
You know, I used to feel the same way until I fucking realized that ALL SERVANT FIGHTS WORK THAT WAY, and ARE MEANT TO.

It's always fucking uselessly flailing about until your win button works, and if you don't have a win button you lose. Fights in Fate between servants aren't fair in the slightest, they're completely arbitrary affairs of each side cucking the other's speshul abilities until some shit sticks. The closest thing to a "fair" fight so far as I remember was Saber v Assassin in UBW, which was fair right up until she completely cucked his win button and won. Think about the entirety of Zero. Honestly, bitching about this is so stupid considering the original franchise and the realities of the setting. Don't forget that every one of our opponents (barring Harris, who is a whole other matter) had their super special win button fail for some reason or another. That's the setting, that's how it works.
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>>3929711
You say that, but most Servants can actually fucking hit their enemies in melee unless they are fucking fighting Gilgamesh.
The thing is that we get the shit beaten out of us completely UNTIL our win button works.
And because we can't actually engage in melee without nearly instantly winning, we look even more pathetic than say... Nerfed Arturia against Heracles in nearly all of our fights.

I don't remember Matsuda's super special win button ever failing and he just beat the shit out of us.

Fuck, most Servant fights, even if the enemy heavily outclasses their opponent (Cu vs EMIYA as an example) are somewhat evenly matched, nowhere near the embarrassment that Matsuda vs Alberich was.
He doesn't feel like a Servant considering it barely even feels like he can fight Servants in melee without cheating, otherwise he'll just get dodged.
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>>3929730
I'll give you Matsuda almost completely being able to dab on Alberich being bullshit, but it's a more fair representation of their stats then EMIYA inexplicably being fast enough to keep up with/keep away from far superior servants to him for fucking ever.

But really, the fights are just the dumbest thing to complain about right now. Your "opinion" on Alberich not being able to sword is just gratuitous shit at this point, given that we've already discussed these things to no end. And then you qualify your posting with "oh, I love the quest that's why I complain". Fucker, that was a valid reason three threads ago when we were actually discussing these things for the first time. You're just harping now. Do you mail Nasu about Shirou's whole character arc in HF being garbage too these days?
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>>3929711
Thank you, anon. You've no idea how much I appreciate reading that someone else sees combat between Servants the same way I do.

...there's also the fact that the primary discussion about this topic, when I said I'd take a harder look at how to write tense fights without dodgespam, happened before the fight with Odysseus. It's not as if there's been more melee combat since that's embarrassed Alberich.
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>>3929766
>do you mail Nasu about Shirou's whole character arc in HF being garbage too these days?
Now why would I do that when his arc in UBW is worse?

Honestly though, I wish we were Assassin instead of Saber. The combat would make a lot more sense if we were. Instead, we get to be the worlds least accurate Saber.

Also, it pains me to say it, but there's no positive discussion left.
Only negativity brings in replies.
Anytime anything positive is brought up to be discussed, it's just ignored and nobody replies.
Nobody really wants to talk about upgrades since after Sweets got forced to reveal what Volks does, it sort of took a lot of the fun out of all the speculation. (and was a shitstorm all on it's own)
The anons making all the edits have just vanished.
Nobody seems to want to make plans, understandable, because whenever we do, they just don't work at all anymore because random obstacles that are far more dangerous than they should be keep springing up and delaying everything at best and ruining the entire plan at worst. Or some random complication that completely ruins the plan will spontaneously be brought up.
Why, even the "I wonder where Circe is?" speculation is gone because it was just resolved automatically without any effort on our part in the least satisfying way because we never got any prompt to look for her.
Fuck NTR.
Fights might be a dumb thing to complain about again, but we can also talk about how lame Alberich's temper still is and how unlikeable a character he is rapidly becoming. Or the general pace being a fucking crawl, this fucking trip to the grail feels like it's taken almost the entire thread and nothing has fucking happened other than some ultimately pointless attacks by Assassin.
It's not even the update schedule, it's that it feels like half of these updates serve no purpose.
But complaining about the pacing is even more fruitless than complaining about Alberich. I know Sweets is doing his best.

>>3929801
I guess. Well here's hoping the next melee isn't just endless dodgespam, though good luck figuring out how to have us use the memesword without it, it's a nearly unresolvable problem. I suppose there's no point talking about fights any longer.

Though I don't agree with your particular views on Servant vs Servant fighting, especially when the only times an insta-win was used in Akeldama was Clint killing Perseus, or, at a stretch, Adelheid killing Clint.
The rest of the fatal fights were played mostly straight.
Perseus vs Justinian
Blackbeard vs Robin Hood
Clint vs Blackbeard
And one of Alberich's insta-win is always active anyway, but we've been over that.

But hey, I look forward to us actually getting into another fight.
I also look forward to not getting distracted from solving the god damn NTR subplot again.
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>>3929838
You see, I agree. The general decline of Alberich's character (no sweets, not in terms of depth but in terms of him being compelling and likeable as a protaganist) is something I myself have found to be disappointing. As for what can we do about it, as voters? I think we need to make a concerted effort to, I don't know, give Alberich SOMETHING in the realm of positive character development. Ayaka-fag I may be, but Alberich genuinely giving a shit about his master's wellbeing would be a easy Socratic step up in the world.

I also agree about the transition from very played-straight fights to more traditional Fate fights, but that is largely a consequence of powercreep.
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>>3929862
>The general decline of Alberich's character (no sweets, not in terms of depth but in terms of him being compelling and likeable as a protaganist) is something I myself have found to be disappointing. As for what can we do about it, as voters? I think we need to make a concerted effort to, I don't know, give Alberich SOMETHING in the realm of positive character development

Completely agree. While a power-hungry sociopath might be fun to play for a while, I just can't "root for" a character like that at the end of the day. I would like Alberich to be less toxic, but there's the eternal "that would be out of character" counter to just about any non-sociopathic/prideful-evil action. I'd really like to find a way for Alberich to stop being a colossally-selfish jerk that consistent with the narrative and characterization but starting at all seems to be a rather large hurdle.
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>[X] "No, I haven't had difficulties with magical energy. As I said, I was only considering the matter for cases of emergency." (Duty)
Writing now.

Also, here's the full pdf version of Fate/Awakening Mirror. Like I said earlier, Akeldama isn't in a readable state yet, but I thought you folks might enjoy having this one up. If you decide to read through the whole thing now that it's put together, let me know what you think, and if that's changed from your impressions when reading the quest normally.
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>>3929862
>>3929951
Yeah, it's the challenge inherent in having a terrible person as your protagonist. I may like writing him that way, but I can still see where you're coming from.
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>>3930176
>Also, here's the full pdf version of Fate/Awakening Mirror.
danke schön
this helps a lot
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>>3929951
What has Alberich himself really done that's intentionally evil? Sure he's adopted a villainous manner of speaking during servant fights or whatever, and he's no hero of justice. But nothing he's done really enters into the irredeemably selfish and evil realm. His first priority is saving his own life, which is perfectly reasonable.
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>>3930492
That's entirely my point. He's self absorbed and pointlessly cruel and emotional... and that's it. I would rather him be full "death to humanity, we AotG 2.0 nao" then this just sort of... meh creature driven by desire. Where are his higher goals, his aspirations? Sadly enough, in learning that he was born superior to humanity much of what was so neat about Akeldamashorou was lost.
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>>3930492
He's an asshole with no redeeming qualities that constantly seethes at everything whenever he gets BTFO, which is fairly often. Also, his alignment is literally Neutral-Evil.

His powerset is the complete opposite of his personality. How he can take pride in any of his victories when he's just a cheating asshole that can't actually defeat his enemies in a battle of skill (except the tutorial battle) is beyond me.
"muh survival" isn't a good character motivator, and that's been the same fucking motivation since post 1 thread 1. Oh and some pipe dream about ruling the world (while he gets BTFO by some random enforcer as a Servant. Ha! What a fucking embarrassment.) (also this is like, generic bad guy motivation number 1)

Like, compare him to the biggest pridefag: Gilgamesh. Gil is prideful and he basically cheats in every fight thanks to GoB, which is at least visually impressive and can be used just to fuck with his opponents. Alberich's abilities are total All or Nothings. But Gilgamesh is dreadfully effective and basically never struggles if he even takes his opponent slightly seriously.

Alberich is just ONORE ONORE Gilgamesh half the time because his cheats don't work or he's getting bullied for his lack of knowledge, yet he still acts prideful and smug about his hollow victories.

Honestly. At this point Volks would be tempting for the personality deletion if not for the lolification.

>>3930504
>born superior to humans
Yeah, we really lost a neat theme with that reveal, what with the whole "rise above humanity" thing gone, we're kind of just aimless. The sense of the story as a whole really lost some of it's charm when we found that we were a just total Bootlegged Gilgamesh.
I would've preferred it never happened personally. It's not like we would've lost much.
I can't stand Kourakuhime OR Matsuda now anyway.
Just felt like an unneeded twist to me. Which personally, I feel the story suffered for in the long run.
Sort of erased most of our protagonist's meaning and left him as some edgy ego-maniacal doppelgänger where most of his development no longer applied.
Instead of focusing on a new goal to work towards, he's sort of just acted like a waifufag and randomly attacked Servants without thinking things through up to this point.
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>>3930513
Basically, we had the protagonist's entire character sacrificed and rendered moot and in exchange we got
>An NTR subplot
>A literal child murderer who won't even help properly and is just an inferior version of Circe.
>A fight obsessed retard that is currently our enemy and will be a decent future powerup
>A main character who has no real motivation outside of his own immediate desires or survival.

Like, I don't see how this is a good deal at all.
In fact, this is a terrible deal.
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>>3930504
>>3930513
I hate to come back around to blaming you folks, but if you'd talked among yourselves about this and worked out a new goal for the protagonist, or even just voted to sit down and contemplate the purpose of his exitance until he came up with one so that I could write his development, he wouldn't be so aimless.
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>>3930530
Existence. Kind of spaced out on that one.
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>>3930530
There's the big problem with Awakening Mirror in comparison to Akeldama.
There's no time for us to do any of that.
It feels as if we need to constantly be improving ourselves or furthering our position in the grail war as a Servant. Character development is being forced to take a back seat because of it.
Not really got the time to locate a park bench to lounge around on anymore, that sort of thing died when Saber kicked our ass.

As a Master, we could take things slightly less seriously as we already had a Servant and we didn't really consider ourselves to need to get that much stronger, considering that the only people we should've been fighting were enemy masters, who didn't have superhuman bodies and were thus always stomped.
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>>3930513
>Alberich cheats
>Gilgamesh cheats
This is another core difference of opinion about fights in Fate, I think, because I don't see either one as being the case. How can you cheat in a fight to the death between people with such different suites of abilities available? In the Dead End she gave you, was Arturia cheating by using Excalibur? You say you didn't cheat in the battle against Roland, but I seem to remember you using Kenótis. If that isn't cheating, why do you feel that using your other Noble Phantasm is?
Unrelated note, but on your "random enforcer" point, remember that Harris also kicked six kinds of hell out of Arturia in the same timeframe. The person who killed Gilgamesh. Who you're comparing Alberich unfavorably to. Powerlevels in Fate are completely unreliable, and getting mad about them is pointless.
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Personally, my thought process around the arc for Alberich has been something like this (subject to player intervention, of course):
City Akeldama: Establish expectations, basic personality, initial goal
Awakening Mirror: Discover true nature, initial goal undercut, determine new purpose while securing survival. Probably find love.
Inverse Moon (?): Pursue new purpose and/or initial goal, find place in world outside immediate survival crucible of Grail War.
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>>3930540
>The person who killed Gilgamesh (who was still taking her lightly in Fate. Otherwise he still would've won.)
Oh shit, she's got Avalon.

Kenotis isn't cheating, it's balanced enough.
Nor was Luckeschwert, which was also balanced.
Heilig is however, total bullshit.
Alberich is forced to keep relying on his bullshit cheat magic, not even really his Noble Phantasm (it kind of is but whatever.) He's a Saber. He should be acting like one. Instead he's just bootleg Assassin who only hits targets that have been bound.
Not really something to take pride in.

Powerlevels in Fate are logical enough.
If your Noble Phantasms decided literally everything, EMIYA would be the second strongest servant in existence. Instead he gets bullied by Blue Jobber.

The less we talk about Harris, the better.
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>>3930550
And it all falls apart when not only does Akeldama Rushorou's goal fall apart...
So does the entire personality he built up, which was based on said goal.

It went from
>"I will attain the power to stand above humanity and ascend all others!"
To
>"Oh ok, nevermind then. Guess I'll fuck about at the amusement park for a day, that's a fine use of my time."

What a character arc.
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>>3930556
Don't pretend that his tendency to kill time under the spell of adorable heroines is a new thing. This is the same person who wandered out to get killed by Berserker over her singing voice and then spent hours on end poring over books in the library and studying Wagner to impress her.
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>>3930566
I'm not going to pretend that, but Akeldama Rushorou had nothing to do at the university really.
He could pester Circe to teach him magic or interact with the rest of the gang. The majority of his time was spent without much pressure or anything to really even do.
The circumstances are completely different considering how things are now.
Maybe him being so carefree would make sense if it didn't feel like he only survives his fights either by a fluke or the skin of his teeth.
The amusement park date happened immediately after he only barely defeated Achilles with help, and was mutilated by a Caladbolg. This doesn't really make any sense until you realise that most anons seem to be operating under the "make everybody happy" mindset.

You can bet your ass nobody would've ever wanted to interact with anyone other than Matsuda or Circe if we got our ass handed to us constantly by enemy Masters in Akeldama.
There certainly would've been no time for benches.
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>>3930575
Right, so you feel that there's a constant need to get stronger; but you don't want to rely on magic, because that's "cheating," and it's not as though you have a combat tutor at the Shijou manor. What to do, then? The fact is that cultivating your human relationships instead of spending all your time obsessing over power is a path towards the kind of less sociopathic protagonist you seem to want.
For all the negativity, I have to say I'm really enjoying talking this stuff over with you today, anon. Better to have an active critic than just silence.
I may be standing up for my writing, but don't think I'm not taking your comments under advisement; I hope you'll stick around for my next quest, after Alberich's story is over, to see if you feel my long-term characterization improves.
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>>3930584
It's not that I feel like the use of magic itself is cheating, personally.
It just clashes with Alberich's prideful nature to effectively have to resort to trickery and traps in a fight and then still come out with his pride intact.

Back to Gilgamesh, imagine if he was forced to resort to trickery or merely even part of his full strength to defeat an opponent he considers beneath him.
He would take it horribly.

Alberich doesn't deserve the pride he has because he has nothing to take pride in.
It's some sort of contrived pride.

His power doesn't really even feel earned, knowing he was predestined to receive it and it's not like it's an overwhelming power either. He lost his first ever battle horribly.
His increased power isn't something to take pride in, considering he's forced to rely on a ritual to steal strength.

So he can't really take pride in his power and that's the only thing he has going for him these days.

But then interacting with our human allies isn't productive at all outside of maybe Lily in matters relating to the grail.
Ayaka would have about the same relevance to Alberich if she was a book containing the servant ritual that happened to provide him with mana.

I'm kind of at a loss on how to proceed.
Interacting with the other characters now sort of feels like a waste of time, it's bizarre.

It's not helped AT ALL by the fact that the three characters we spent the most time interacting with in Akeldama (Adelheid might be dead though.) are all now directly opposed to us. It's the ultimate deterrent for players wanting to further interact with any characters, to me, at least.
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>>3930606
>It just clashes with Alberich's prideful nature to effectively have to resort to trickery and traps
This doesn't make sense. He's had pride as his major focus since back in Akeldama, and trickery has been his go-to method in almost every fight. Any pride he takes in victory should revolve around his ability to destroy the enemy in an unexpected way, when they think things are going best for them. That's what's consistent with his characterization so far.
The enemy Masters were all thought of as beneath him then, too, as you pointed out earlier. If anything, he's using the same methods now to overcome greater challenges. A contrived artificial Servant defeating heroes of legend is a hell of a lot more impressive than a superhuman stoving in the heads of fragile humans.
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>>3930619
There's a distinct difference between basically unexpectedly obliterating your opponent before the battle can begin (Gilgamesh vs Medea as an example.) Or being forced to resort to trickery in an act of desperation.

If you haven't noticed, the way Alberich fights is now far more standard. He doesn't go for the instant all-out obliteration, instead it's usually

>fight starts
>get bullied for a while
>try using special ability sneakily out of desperation (may or may not work.)
>if ability fails, repeat "get bullied for a while."

On paper, they might both use trickery, but in practice, Alberich looks awful when he seems to use it out of desperation whereas with Rushorou, he immediately used it in order to cut short any battle before it could begin.
Alberich usually tries to present his whole knight thing before he starts to lose and all that goes out the window as he starts acting like a two-bit villain.

Can you see the difference now?
One gives the impression of outplaying the opponent totally.
The other makes you seem like you're resorting to any method out of victory because you've started to lose.

You know what, let's use JJBA, considering the popularity within the quest, taking DIO as an example, especially because of the occasional comparisons between them.

Easily destroying Kakyoin with The World was him effectively using trickery (hiding his true ability to stop time and the ability itself) in order to win easily.
Then compare that with the desperate DIO who tries to squirt blood into Jotaro's eyes in an act of sheer desperation.
Same character, both are examples of trickery, both have a completely different meaning.
Nobody wants to be the second DIO.
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>>3930530
I totally agree with this. The original sin was the self-preservation alignment, but in particular the "why are you fighting" vote that went in favor of self-preservation rather than wanting to fight was fukken infuriating.

>Sit down and contemplate the purpose of his existence
Well, fuck. Ok. Little weird, but I suppose we'll have to get on it after this jaunt.

>>3930550
I see that, but desu it's unfortunate for your plan that the first goal/personage was just really fucking good. AAlberich just doesn't really fit that overaching narrative, and that's probably where much of the chafing has come from.

>>3930619
Anon is completely on the money with this one. Not that I care much about the fighting anyways.
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>>3930693
I think the only time it should make sense for Alberich to decide on a new motivation without it feeling disjointed and weird would be after dealing with Rushorou and Circe.
Otherwise it'll just feel out of the blue and forced for the sake of it.
There's no in-story catalyst for him to suddenly decide on something like that after merely visiting the grail.
It just wouldn't feel right, you know?
He's had plenty of downtime since the reveal, after all.

So as irritating as he is right now, I'd prefer we stuck with him having no goal for now rather than having a park bench meme occur.
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"No," you reply, "I have not had difficulties with my energy supply. As I said, I was considering the matter only for cases of emergency; not to supplement my everyday needs. In any case, as I told you once before, it would be wrong of me to abandon Ayaka. I made a promise to see her safely through the War, you know; I don't intend to break my word."

"Oh," Liliesviel seems to sag in your arms at the blunt answer, but after a pause she continues in a tone laden with suppressed disappointment and forced cheer, as if trying to bolster her own spirits, "I guess I'll just have to wait a little longer, then, before I can have you all to myself. After all, you made a promise to me too."

It's true, of course, and as you picture the melancholic smile communicated by her voice you can feel again the heartbreaking empathy that moved you to swear you'd put an end to her loneliness in that ferris wheel on Tuesday. Whatever you may feel for Liliesviel, though, it is a fact that you've taken responsibility for Ayaka's life in her brother's absence. If you intend to keep your word to both, you'll have to find a way to make both Ayaka and Liliesviel happy after the War. How is it, you wonder, that you've drawn girls in conflict with one another to yourself with such consistency? First there was the mutual loathing between Circe, Adelheid, Kikuko, and Truvietianne, and now you face a similar scenario with Ayaka, Liliesviel, and Kōrakuhime.

That is a problem for another day, you decide. For the moment it's enough to focus on the girl in front of you. You pull Liliesviel tighter to you, and declare, "I intend to keep it, even as the Servant of another. You won't be alone any longer."

"Thank you, Alberich," she murmurs, and the two of you pass the remainder of the trip to the ruins of the Einzbern tower in a comfortable silence, shielded from the autumnal chill by the warmth of your mutual feelings, and the closeness of your bodies. As you leap from rooftop to rooftop over the still and somnolent city, with Liliesviel's head nestled against your chest and all else but her cut off by the speed of your transit, it is in a way like being returned to that ferris wheel, the pair of you spending a brief moment alone above the world, suspended at a distance from all material concerns, with no thought save of one another.
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Then the moment ends, and the world returns, as you come to a halt on the rooftop of a low office: once the equal neighbor of the Einzbern Tower, now with one exposed side looming over a great expanse of mangled rubble of mixed glass, steel, and concrete piled half a story high. Looking down at the lot where the tower's detritus lies heaped in shapeless ruins, the immediate challenge of your task becomes clear. Though you sweep your eye over the rubble, you can see no point at odds with its surroundings, no spot where some significant detail indicates that there might be some hidden entrance.

"The entrance to your catacomb seems to have been buried," you say, nodding down at the formless mass. "I can destroy the rubble, but it will take some time. Do you know where the entrance is, so I can make quicker work of the excavation?"

Liliesviel sighs dejectedly as she looks down at the wreckage of her former home, and you suppose that even though it was a temporary abode for the duration of the War she must have been rather fond of it. After a moment, though, her melancholy passes and she answers, "That shouldn't be much of a problem. Otto constructed a barrier over the entrance, so that cement and such shouldn't be as thick over it. Carry me down, and I'll show you where it is."

"How prudent of him," you mutter, and leap down from the rooftop. As you land, the shattered building materials crackle, shift, and make suspicious noises of structural uncertainty. Obviously the ruins of the Einzbern Tower are far from sturdy, and as a shard of glass half-hidden in concrete dust pierces your leather shoe to be halted by the sole of your foot, you conclude, "I think it would be best if I continued to carry you for the time being, Liliesviel. The surface here isn't safe for you to walk on." Stachel, you notice, is moving with a series of light, acrobatic jumps, eschewing the dustier or more uncertain places and setting her feet only on clearly harmless outcroppings of concrete.

"Oh, you're right! That's an excellent idea," she says, nodding, "but I do need to touch the ground to find the entrance. Please kneel down so I can reach."

Wondering what exactly it is she intends to do, you go ahead and comply, squatting and lowering Liliesviel towards the ground so she can reach out and press her palm to a bare patch of concrete. For a few moments she only holds it there, nothing seeming to happen, until her skin is suddenly illuminated. Faint, curling traceries of red appear on her, glowing vividly against white skin; they spring from her wrist and seem to flow down her hand and into the ruins, fading as they touch the inorganic matter.

"Do you see an area of the ground glowing?" Liliesviel asks. "That will be the rubble above Otto's shield, and the entrance."
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Sure enough, as you look around again you see a circle of rubble perhaps two meters across, with faint red light shining up from below, penetrating the barrier of dust, concrete, and metal as if it shines through no more than thick glass, with an efficacy that thoroughly proves its magical nature. "Yes, it's over to the right," you answer. "I've made certain of the location, you can stop illuminating it now." At your words, Liliesviel withdraws her hand and you return to your full height, walking over to the edge of the indicated area. With your hands otherwise occupied, you decide to manifest tendrils of Nothingness to do the work of excavation, as you've seen no-one on the street in front of this location. If Liliesviel didn't concern herself with who might see her light, you see no reason to hide your magic at a time when it can be useful.

"What sort of magic was that?" you ask, as you pull free larger chunks of concrete and metal bars with two tendrils while a third widens to scoop dust and smaller chunks out of the rapidly forming pit. "I haven't seen a magus perform that sort of technique to find something before."

"Oh, it's a very convenient bit of Transference," Liliesviel explains offhandedly, "I disperse my own magical energy while illuminating it, and transfer it to any nearby gatherings of magical energy. It's an excellent tool for finding hidden bounded fields, and that sort of thing. It can be warded against, of course; normally, Otto said, he would have prepared a barrier that couldn't be detected this way, but he left it more easily found so that I could return."

As she explains this, you finish clearing the rubble over the shielded area, revealing a tube of open air running down through the wreckage to a spiral staircase that winds down into the earth below. From the look of the staircase's carved stone walls, and the depth of the tube, it was at some point located several floors below ground in the conventional manner and modeled on medieval architecture. You haven't much time to examine it from above, though, as Liliesviel spurs you on, exclaiming, "Finally! Let's go, Alberich!"

You leap down to the steps below, passing through Odin's vaunted barrier with only a hint of feeling, and set Liliesviel gently on her feet beside you. Stachel follows shortly after, landing behind the two of you as the stairs are only wide enough for two to walk abreast. As you begin the descent, something else springs to mind.

>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she suspects Odin of plotting with the Greater Grail.

>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.

>[ ] Say something else (Write in a comment or topic of question)

>[ ] Try to strike up conversation with Stachel.
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>>3930968
>>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.
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>>3930968
>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.
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>>3930968
>[X] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.

Because asking a homunculus what they want to do with their life can't possibly back-fire

Is Lillie a lesser grail?
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>>3930968
>[X] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.
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>>3930968
>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she suspects Odin of plotting with the Greater Grail.
We can always ask her later about life after the war.
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>>3930968
>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she suspects Odin of plotting with the Greater Grail.
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>>3930968
>[X] Ask Liliesviel about what she intends to do after the War comes to an end.
>>3930992
>Is Lillie a lesser grail?
99.9% sure yes, she got all flustered when mentioning "making a connection to the Lesser Grail, I'd prefer to do it at night"

Can we also ask if Stachel needs to be present for the connection ritual? If not it couldn't hurt to have her be a sentry in case someone tries to break through Odin's barrier. She wouldn't be expected to fight, just hide within the barrier's line of sight and quietly get a good enough look to describe the enemy before sprinting down to warn us. This should only be risky
if (('an enemy is already inside' OR 'the enemy can teleport inside at will') AND ('Stachel's assistance would be the pivotal factor to tip the scales in our favor')).
If she needs to participate in the ritual then nevermind, of course.
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>>3930968
>[ ] Ask Liliesviel about what she suspects Odin of plotting with the Greater Grail.

Cyclops-looking fool better watch out
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Can we be frank with Lily?
She realizes that Odin has the best chance of killing us in this grail war. If she believes in us and wants us to survive the war then she should be plotting against him with us. What's the deal there?
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>>3931297
She thinks we're some kind of Lesser Grail as well, using the power of the defeated Servants to compete as one. From that point of view, we shouldn't have to die in order to complete Heaven's Feel.
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>>3931319
We don't have to complete heavens feel, but we're still slated to fight Odin in the end.
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>>3930992
>>3931297
I'm hoping that being able to easily refer to all of your previous conversations with her using the PDF will help you folks with questions and speculation like this, so you can more easily make informed decisions.
The time delay has been one of the things weighing on my mind, you see. Memories that are still fresh in Alberich's mind have become months old for you, while things you've had plenty of time to think about are still new to him. I don't know that there's anything I can do about the latter, but at least the former should be helped by having the full text of Awakening Mirror there.
Plus, I think it looks nice in a book layout.
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>>3931469
A question: if we hypothetically cut Heracles in half, would he just recover from it like Achilles did? Reason says "no" because God Hand blocks attacks while Andreias Amarantos prohibits damage, but paranoia says "yes" because life can never be so easy.
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>>3931498
He wouldn't recover from it like Achilles did. He would lose a life and recover from it in his own typical way, though.
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>>3931575
But would he become immune to being damaged by it?
IIRC God Hand doesn't give him immunity to whatever killed him last, just a lot of resistance to it.
However, Heilig should naturally bypass any form of armour.
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>>3931637
>But would he become immune to being damaged by it?
Why would he? It's not an attack, technically, just something that transports. God Hand probably wouldn't register that it got attacked, or would harden to resist slashing attacks.
>IIRC God Hand doesn't give him immunity to whatever killed him last, just a lot of resistance to it.
Looking at a Q&A from the Animation Material for UBW, Nasu says he doesn't even have to die first, just get hurt and recover.
Fucking broken.
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>>3931644
Heracles would be broken as fuck in a grail war (well, more so) if you had him team up with EMIYA or something.
Just have EMIYA trace the NPs of every other Servant and poke Heracles with them if they can damage him.
He just had the misfortune of being summoned into a war with 3 Servants that can deal with him (4 if Cu is having a good day), and magic shadow nonsense.

Then again, Heracles is even more broken when you realize that he's supposedly not even getting the Madness Enhancement buffs and his horribly broken statline is actually his base.
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You know, it dawned on me.
Why Alberich became so much less compelling as a character for me after the reveal about his origins.
he is LITERALLY EVIL SIEG.
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>>3931797
Oh shut up. He is not.
Alberich has a personality and memories.
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>>3931813
The parallels are all there, Sweets.
>Both are Saber servants through some bullshit
>both are named after characters from the Nibelungenlied
>both are homonculi, or some facsimile of one in Alberich's case
>both have no real pasts
>both consider Shirou to be their mortal enemy (heh.)
>steal power from defeated servants somehow
>both naturally talented with magic
There are probably more, too.

Alberich's personality doesn't really shine through other than the core 3 traits of acting smug, waifufaggotry and being angry.
And you want us to basically discard Alberich's memories.
Look at what you have done.
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>>3931819
I mean, that's still like three more core personality traits than Sieg has.
I'm not writing as bland a protagonist as Apocrypha had! I absolutely reject that claim!
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>>3931856
FGO gave Sieg official stats, by the way.

Strength: E
Agility: E
Endurance: E
Mana: D
Luck: B
NP: EX (doesn't really count and should be --- because that's the Dragon bullshit)

Does this look familiar at all to you?
It should.

The only difference is that Alberich became an edgy self-serving ass and Sieg decided to become an actual good person, and as bland as the Apocrypha anime makes him look, you need to remember that all Fate adaptations are shit.
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I have an idea involving Shirou.
Say we go up to his house and call him and Rider out for a talk, and then we tell them who's draining the leyline. We explain that she can't be stopped without our help, and if they want a piece of her they should show up at Yumigawa's house at [time of attack] because we want their help as well. If they choose not to help we'll go through with the attack alone, but we're not sure we can beat her alone and if we die they're helpless (stress that last part). Then we leave and wait for a reply.
Once we go through Circe's temple, kill Yumigawa and get her up against the wall, we can turn around and kill team Shirou, removing an obstacle and demonstrating our loyalty in a single power move.

If they attack us on sight we can kill them this time, no problem. Ayaka and Tsubaki should probably come along so we can eat them if shit goes down.
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>>3931886
I like this idea, I kinda want to do it as soon as we get the chance.
We can even say it was the Servant behind the fires that is now draining the leylines.
Say we managed to track them down, the servant in question being an extra Caster, but they escaped the house with their life before hiding away and taking a different approach to the war.
Their magic was also strong enough to even bypass our Magic Resistance.
Oh, Caster was also powerful enough to match even Odin in a battle of magecraft and seems to be some Greek Sorceress, based on her magic. She attacked Liliesviel in an effort to get to the grail, so she's not our ally.

It's funny because we can talk about Tsubaki and blame it on Circe.

Technically, not a single lie.
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>>3931797
>>3931819
>>3931873
What are you getting out of this?
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>>3931931
Just pointing out fun similarities that just all popped up out of chance over time, but the similar origins really make it clear when you think about things.
Also because I don't want us to be edgy Sieg.

Do you want to be edgy Sieg?
also still salty about the "you were never human" twist. It was pretty much Kubo tier.
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>>3931944
If you want us to change so much, how bout you stop finding endless new ways to bitch about the quest and fucking put a plan forward!
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>>3931986
To solve a problem, it must first be identified.
And it's not like I can put forward a plan to change how Alberich has already acted throughout the majority of Awakening.
Nor can anybody stop his ceaseless jobbing.
Nor can I put forward a plan to fix the whole problem brought about with the whole removal of a core part of our protagonist's character as it's sort of fixed to his origin getting bait-and-switched on us.

All we can really do is try to change Alberich's priorities.
Yet development of interesting character traits constantly takes a backseat to "muh survival." Which is understandable, due to jobbing.
Like this fucking trip to the grail instead of dealing with Rushorou. One would've been able to further develop Alberich
This grail thing seems more like we were being forced into it because we might not get another chance.
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>>3931886
I love this idea, but cut
>If they choose not to help we'll go through with the attack alone, but we're not sure we can beat her alone and if we die they're helpless (stress that last part).
Simply state the enemy is a tremendously powerful Caster with plans for the grail even we find ominous. That should be sufficient further prodding.

>>3932013
>To solve a problem, it must first be identified.
Like you're identifying shit with most of this, kek.

>Like this fucking trip to the grail instead of dealing with Rushorou. One would've been able to further develop Alberich
This is both utilitarian and is serving to deepen the Liliesviel-Alberich relationship beyond "she make pp hard".
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>>3932013
>To solve a problem, it must first be identified
Except you also say the problem can't be solved. So the sieg thing is just you bitching for no reason.
In fact, pretty much everything you bitch about is shit that can't be changed. There's no fucking point.
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>>3931886
I like this plan. Once we attack Yumi, we'll put Shirou and pals to work for us.
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>>3932205
I mean, just because it can't be changed doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out.

Through some horrible coincidences we've become edgy Sieg. Sweets doesn't like it. I don't like it. But it's just the reality we're dealing with.
A villainous foil to Sieg. Where Sieg was born with nothing, by experiencing humanity, he learned to become selfless and good
Meanwhile Alberich was born with humanity (mostly) and after being given a taste of power, became selfish and evil.

Outside of that, It just feels as if there's no real depth to Alberich anymore.
Removing his humanity practically ensured we lost that. It just undermines everything he set out to accomplish in Akeldama by basically just giving it to him in an unsatisfying way.

And he just nearly immediately got over it.

Honestly, anons. I don't know, with the reveal of Yumigawa getting the memories, I can't help but feel that given the scenario, it probably would've been more fun to follow him.
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>>3932232
>Wanting to be a larper mongrel
Opinion disregarded
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>>3932245
Say what you want about False Alberich/Yumigawa, mongrel he may be, but so far at least he only had his power taken from him, and the driving force behind his character is mostly still intact.
(Least until we finally fuck with him by revealing the truth before getting rid of him, just to see the potential mental breakdown).

We should really focus on dealing with him the very next opportunity we get though.
Just because I feel his arc might have been more interesting than Alberich's own, it doesn't mean I don't want him dead immediately.
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>>3932265
No seriously, just imagine the reception to THAT idea.

>Ha ha, actually anons you're not Rushorou from Akeldama at all. You're actually just some product of resonance! Isn't that great!
Would be worse than ANYTHING sweets has done, bar none.
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>>3932284
>And the real Rushorou from Akeldama has a whole new set of heroines, and a suite of Servant powers!
Yeah, that's a quest-killer right there. It'd be ridiculous.
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>>3932284
>>3932288
>"At least you aren't getting cucked though!"
Clouds and silver linings. Nobody would give a toss about the new girls hanging around Alberich at all (other than being pissed at him for being so unfaithful.) and the Servant powers would just make anons hate him more. Hardly a quest killer.

It's almost as if the whole idea of making us a clone and resonance was bad from the start.
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>>3932288
Anons (myself included) get pissy that even a fraction of the Akeldama energy went to Ogawara and Matsuda. That reveal would just be ebin.
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>>3932288
Oh God, I just realized there'd also be the reaction from the crowd that's calling this situation NTR when the "now just go to school while Circe calls up her old flame; they're totally not getting up to anything behind your back, don't worry" situation happened.
A version of Awakening Mirror with Yumigawa would be a complete nightmare.
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>>3932295
Lol, delusional. Just because the clone thing was probably a suboptimal narrative decision doesn't mean this absolutely bonkers idea of yours is good.
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>>3932295
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You keep insisting on the worst conceivable angle for the Circe situation as things are now. It'd be even worse if you folks were piloting original Yumigawa, and dealing with the mammoth inferiority complex of being a normal shitty human again with Odysseus around.
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>>3932302
I mean, the best decision to have taken narratively would probably have been to have NOT had the artificial soul thing happen at all!
Funny, isn't it?
>>3932298
And this is one of the reasons why as well.
It gave us two quite detestable characters that don't really add anything to the story in addition to undermining the theme of Akeldama.
Matsuda just feels like a fucking padding villain, especially with how he just came out of the blue to fight us.
Kourakuhime is just bootleg Circe at best when it comes to her story relevance.
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>>3932328
No shit, so what?

>It gave us two quite detestable characters that don't really add anything to the story in addition to undermining the theme of Akeldama.
The "theme" of Akeldama was DOA, because that's our interpretation of events which ended up not describing the quote unquote reality. Kōrakuhime a shit of course, but since Kōrakuhime exists Matsuda as an enemy slightly mitigates the issue.
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>>3932337
>Kōrakuhime a shit of course
It's Kikuko all over again. Why am I the only person who likes these characters?
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>>3932345
>These characters
It's only Alberich's "sister" that I don't like. As for why? Who knows, some combination of her role in the narrative, her speaking patterns, and really just her general existence.
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>>3932345
I liked Kikuko.

But Alberich's "Siblings" just feel like unneeded characters.
Kourakuhime to me will never not just be a shitty replacement Caster to fulfill the "scrying" role.
Hell, you yourself basically admitted to Matsuda's complete lack of relevance to the story when you revealed that you had initially intended to have had him die of mana exhaustion, only changing things due to your perceived perceptions of the players.

I mean, for gods sake man. Let's just take a step back.
You had our first interaction with Kourakuhime being her literally eating children she butchered while also generally just being a massive bitch throughout the encounter.
She still generally acts like a massive bitch.
She constantly belittles us for ever suggesting anything magic wise, which is fucking annoying.
She's also an even bigger jobber than Alberich. I can understand a Saber being defeated through some magi's trickery. (Bazett is a good example of a magi being able to accomplish this)
But a serious Caster? (Rin vs Medea doesn't count because Medea was just toying with Rin. Bazett could also never defeat Medea herself, I recall Nasu stating somewhere)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So much for all that magical knowledge.
She still refuses to actually reveal her Noble Phantasms to us for no reason other than to be annoying, I guess.
She's far far worse at magic than Circe and generally less useful all around.
She might be a trap. But it's kinda gay regardless.
Her speaking patterns are also grating.

So, with all that in mind... How the FUCK is anybody actually supposed to like her?
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>>3932399
It really does feel like all of your complaints boil down to efficacy. I guess that's interesting, at least.
By the way, the singular is magus. Magi is plural.
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>>3932399
>She constantly belittles us for ever suggesting anything magic wise
I want to focus in on this point, because I feel like she stopped doing that fairly early on; or at least really dialed back the attitude. It was a two-stage thing, first when you grabbed her and threatened to throw her to the Emiyas, and later when you sank your fingers into her shoulder. Both events raised her affection, and lead to her being more pleasant towards you.
So, if you folks don't feel that way, obviously there's some slip-up here. When was the last time you feel like she belittled you for suggesting something to do with magic?
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>>3932473
>all of your complaints boil down to efficacy.
Excuse me what the fuck.
The only complaints about efficacy there are her being worse at magic, not revealing her NPs, and losing to a human magic user in a battle of magic.
The rest of them are all her personality, traits and actions.

>>3932489
>first when you grabbed her and threatened to throw her to the Emiyas, and later when you sank your fingers into her shoulder. Both events raised her affection
And thank you for confirming just how worst she is.
Anyway... last time she sort of belittled us was probably
>"Ah... I see you are misunderstanding something... again,
You see, the "again" feels absolutely unnecessary if "bitch" wasn't the angle you were going for, and her speaking pattern makes it looks even fucking worse. This happened in the last thread.

Remember, the previous go-to for magic was Circe, who never felt as vitriolic towards us about magic as Kourakuhime is. Circe was once an actual Goddess of Magic too, and is easily the superior Caster.
Kourakuhime had everything she knows about magic sort of just gifted to her for doing nothing (not unlike Circe I guess, though she was an actual Goddess, not some Caster's pet project, so it just feels different, a matter of scale I suppose.), and for all that pride she has in her inhuman nature and magic, she got her ass beaten with ease by a human magus!
Is she really anywhere near the position of being able to belittle anybody about magic after that?

If efficacy was all I cared about though, it would be far more useful to have Ayaka perform the ritual on her so we can steal her magic.
It's out of character, but god damn if it isn't tempting.
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>>3932529
>If efficacy was all I cared about though, it would be far more useful to have Ayaka perform the ritual on her so we can steal her magic
If only
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>>3932574
On the topic of reclaiming our stolen power, I have absolutely no intention of sparing Matsuda.
The more I think about him, the more pissed off I get.
That skill training skill is just too useful not to fucking slaughter the despicable traitor for.
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>>3932529
>Masochism confirms that she's worst girl
Oh man, anon. You're no fun at all.
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>>3932597
It compounds, Sweets.
With all those garbage character traits combined, she's easily the worst girl of the cast, and she's even a strong contender if we were to do something like include the rest of the Fateverse.
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>>3932604
Now you're just going too far. We all know that the worst girl in the Fate universe (excepting FGO because I don't know all the Servants) is vanilla Jeanne.
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>>3932612
>vanilla Jeanne
>worst girl
Good grief, what awful taste. No wonder you like Kourakuhime.

Are you perhaps upset about something?
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>Socially awkward friendless teen transforms into least popular girl
Fucking crazy surprising, how could this happen?
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>>3932627
She's so boring. She's the perfect match for Sieg, because neither one of them has a personality beyond "kind of nice, sometimes determined."
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>>3932632
Hey, you can't forget the child murder/eating. I feel we kind of gloss over that a lot of the time.
At least Jeanne here does her child killing in style >>3932627
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>>3932627
Also yes, I am still angry about the Hundred Years' War. How did you know?
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>>3932641
>Apocrypha
>Style
Eh...
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>>3932639
Jeanne might be boring, but Kourakuhime is a fucking loathsome stain. Besides, Jeanne is at least somewhat entertaining occasionally.

>>3932644
I was talking more about completely eradicating from existence Jack but okay.

>>3932645
Yeah, I know, I know. Apocrypha like just about everything related to Fate past HA is shit, Kourakuhime just feels pathetic as a character though. At best, she's a liability.
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>>3932664
Oh man how did I manage to type
>completely eradicating from existence Jack but okay.
What a mess.
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>>3932664
>Kourakuhime is a fucking loathsome stain
Jesus Christ, anon. I don't know why I bother talking to you.
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>>3932681
Ok, I might have gone a little bit too far in that insult there, but god damn if she isn't just straight up one of the most grating characters around.
She's a bit like Alberich in a way, doing nothing and "i'm better than you" are apparently her only motivations
As a side character, she's less tolerable. Note that anons didn't hate her as much during her POV.
She'd be fantastic as a villain we were meant to kill.
Though that doesn't seem to be your intent.

She has no real redeeming qualities. Only negative ones.
If we still had Circe, I don't imagine we even would have had the inclination to bother sparing her, or we would hardly ever bother interacting with her if we did spare her.

Another thing, Medea gets shit from a fuck load of people for killing her kids and she probably didn't even do it.
Our literal introduction to Kourakuhime was casual child murder + eating, in addition to her haughty "you are ruining my meal" attitude.. A fucking rift slash would've done a much better job at that.
You can't just do that shit and expect the character to be that liked, if at all.
I get that we're an evil main character and all, but Jeezus.

don't shittalk Jeanne.
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Putting aside my dislike of Kourakuhime for now. Sorry if I went a little far in my insults.
I suppose there are some positives to her, but the negatives just outweigh them terribly for me. There's no accounting for taste.

Here's another theory as for why the second wave of waifus has kind of fallen so flat in comparison to how liked Circe and Adelheid were in Akeldama.
Their basic motivations (or at least what we know of them, and we've known the characters for more than long enough) all feel so... bland and inorganic.
>Ayaka: Survive grail war.
>Kourakuhime: Survive grail war.
>Liliesviel: Win grail war (now "win grail war with Alberich").

Meanwhile.
>Circe: Finding love
>Adelheid: Seizing their dream (so probably world conquest.)

You can see how the bottom two make for more interesting goals, I hope.
All the motivations are now based solely around the grail war, rather than the grail war being a vehicle for their actual motivations.
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>>3932752
Does Ayaka even have a goal? Her life kinda fell apart.
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>>3932778
Not dying.
That's it.
That's her goal, apparently.
It just isn't compelling.
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I miss Vaisset.
I miss the actual Akeldama crew as they were.
I miss Adelheid.
I miss Circe.
Hell, I even miss interacting with the Emiyas.

At least we can talk to Saber, who we should really just ritual, honestly.
It gets sillier and silllier with every day we choose not to while also not making any progress with her.
I want Saber Alter/an allied Saber too, but we kind of need more power boosts immediately and the whole project is starting to feel like a huge waste of time.
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>>3932300
>A version of Awakening Mirror with Yumigawa would be a complete nightmare.
Trying to survive that scenario might have been interesting. While running parallel quests would probably have been untenable practically speaking, it would have been a wild ride to have a PVP factor going on with one team as Alberich and the other as Rushorou.
>>3932345
>Why am I the only person who likes these characters?
I'm surprised at why all the K-hime hate is coming up now, seems kind of random. If we had K-hime tag along on our trip to the Greater Grail and told her we'd try to get Lily to hitch her up as well we'd probably be getting along great now. Shame the vote for bringing her with us wasn't registered or whatever happened there.

But now my paranoia says she's plotting our demise with Odin, as we kind of said "Gonna go stabilize my manifestation, no need for the likes of you to come along. Now do our recon, nerd."

>>3932785
I find that we may have missed a lot of opportunities for improving social relations because of the (justifiable) "must train to not get BTFO" mindset. But not knowing any of our allies' goals or aspirations this late in the game can give the mistaken impression that their goals and aspirations are shallow when in reality we just never bothered to ask and made assumptions.

Going forward we should socialize in free time and build a proper powerbase on that front rather than train. We've eaten enough Servants by now to be able to hold our own in any 1v1 short of Odin provided we play it smart from the beginning.

Like if Circe shows up we gag, blindfold, and bind her with IM ribbons on sight to disrupt her spellcasting (I know it sounds like I have a bondage fetish but it's for tactical reasons I swear). I gotta reread Akeldama to remember which of her spells needed verbal components vs. which could be done at-will but theoretically that should be a good opening move.

Why don't we try making plans for opening an engagement for each potential enemy/faction in the downtime between updates? More productive than sperging out over waifu-wars.

And Sweets, EXTREMELY important question:
Is Heilig's pommel detachable? If not can it be modded as such? I really want to end someone rightly.
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>>3932835
>play it smart from the beginning.
Yeah, I've had enough of not opening with rift-slashes or overwhelming them with ribbons, or both.
Fuck what we currently do in fights.
Fuck ever being forced into melee again.

As for the Kourakuhime hate, I guess it just sprung up as a consequence of talking about the artificial soul thing fucking up everything.

>feel like we missed a lot of opportunities for improving social relations.
You can't be serious. We've spent a fair amount of time with all three of them now.
Especially Ayaka.
And I'm still in the "must get stronger" mindset because Sweets gave Matsuda a horrendously broken ability and we know he's been training.
This is the "6 Days of training for EotM(T): A" meme.
And it is a meme ability.
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>>3932835
>Why don't we try making plans for opening an engagement for each potential enemy/faction in the downtime between updates?
Matsuda: As our opening move, coat our sword in Nothingness, make more tendrils connected to the cape and spring forward to cut him. When he dodges the initial slash the stuff on our sword will extend to skewer him, and if he moves his fangtian to cut it he'll be vulnerable to the other tendrils. Alternatively, we can use our newfound knowledge of Absorption or Tsubaki's curses to end the fight as soon as it begins.
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>>3932835
>But now my paranoia says she's plotting our demise with Odin, as we kind of said "Gonna go stabilize my manifestation, no need for the likes of you to come along. Now do our recon, nerd."
She probably understands that it would be suspicious to ask Lily if we could connect a totally normal human to the Grail.
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>>3932752
>Everything sucks and all characters are shit
Shut up, it's a fucking tired routine.
We don't know what Lily's goals are.
We don't know what Tsubaki's goals are.
Ayaka's goal is to figure out what to do with her life after brother's death. She's 16. It's normal.
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>>3932890
I'm not saying they are all shit.
I'm saying they could do with being developed more.
Same with Alberich.

I didn't say all the characters were shit anyway. I like Ayaka and I do like Lily (and I might've even liked Kourakuhime if her alignment wasn't Stupid Evil). But they all lack compelling motivations.

>we don't know what Lily's goals are
Of course we fucking do. She's an Einzbern.
>we don't know what Tsubaki's goals are
Her general manner makes her lack of goals fairly obvious. She even requested we allowed her to do her own thing and continue subsisting off the population back when we first met.
>Ayaka's goal is to get a goal
Ok.
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>>3932863
So you're saying we should load 2 volleys of stabby tendrils when we engage, one on the sword and one on the cloak? Then blast them both out shotgun-style targeting different parts of his body as he dodges our stab? That sounds like it has potential.
How would we use Absorption to screw him over? We don't seem to have tested it out yet. I can definitely see K-hime debuffing him into oblivion if we tanked his attention for a minute or two though.
For Matsuda specifically we NEED more than one opening since he has this suspicious skill:
>Restart: B
>The ability to escape battle. Can also return a battle to its initial state, restoring the conditions of techniques and the status of participants.

>>3932914
>Of course we fucking do. She's an Einzbern.
>Assuming this hard
Pic related
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>>3932921
She just happens to be the one Einzbern not after the third sorcery when we literally know she's after the third sorcery.
Neat!
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>>3932929
You don't get it anon. Heaven's Feels is her familial obligation. That doesn't mean it's what she DESIRES. I'm not talking about reluctant obligations, I'm talking about ideals! Hopes! Dreams!
And we got nothing on that front because we never bother to ask.
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>>3932947
She's an Einzbern homonculus.
They don't really tend to have those unless something significant happens to them.
She might be developing some thankfully due to being around Alberich, making Lily easily the best of the three Awakening girls.

But everyone kinda knew that already.
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>>3932953
>the best of the three Awakening girls
Aren't you forgetting someone with deeper and more complex motivations?
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>>3932998
Rin?
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>>3932998
Looks like someone who can be the guinea pig for our Absorption ability
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>>3932998
I mean, I'm fairly sure the Kaori route is deader than those civvies
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>>3932752
Oh joy, I have returned home to an entire new field of criticism: the goals of the heroines.
To begin with, there are only three of those five with whom you've discussed their aspirations. Surprise surprise, two of those three are the ones you're comparing favorably.
Secondly, a Heroic Spirit will always, always, have a more concrete goal than a living human; they are the dead, returned to life in pursuit of a specific goal; while humans drift through life more often looking for their goals than pursuing them. As for Ayaka, you're being very unkind to her and making a gross oversimplification. At the beginning of Awakening Mirror she was fairly normal, focused on the pedestrian life of a schoolgirl, with magic almost wholly put out of her life. With the death of Jean-Pierre she was dragged back in and almost immediately you took over managing her affairs; she was hardly equipped to resist the forceful personality of someone she's crushing on, and easily gave the role of responsibility to you. You proceeded to pressure her to give up school and focus entirely on the Grail War. Now, as you well know from your conversations with her, she's in the grip of something of an existential crisis. Her guardian is dead, she has no idea how to manage the family money, she's not going to school, her whole life has basically been turned upside down. You've been able to mollify her from moment to moment, but you're hardly actually solving the issue.
Far from being inorganic, I'd say that Ayaka is by far the most human, real, and natural of the three you've discussed goals with in what she thinks, feels, and is trying to do. You mention motivations based around the Grail War, rather than it being a vehicle. Ayaka's goal is to get her derailed life back onto some kind of track; surviving the War is a necessary part of that, but not an end in and of itself.
None of this is spoiling anything. It was in your conversations with her.
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>>3933090
Now you've explained it in further detail...

She's still a boring character.
Great.
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>>3933101
Oh, and what ruined Ayakas life?
The grail war.
What does she need to survive to get it back on track?
The grail war.

Her entire motivation is still entirely about the grail war.
Surviving the grail war is the means to fixing what the grail war did to her life.
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why are you fags still arguing
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>>3933108
Gotta raise that post count somehow.
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>>3933105
Almost like it's a massive event that has a huge impact on anyone who becomes involved in it. Crazy.
The same "her whole life revolves around the Grail War" complaint can be applied to Rin and Sakura in F/SN, by the way. You think they're boring characters too?
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>>3933117
It's not remotely the same and you know it.
Stop moving the goalposts.

There's far more complexity to the character of Rin and Sakura than just.
"Grail war ruined life. Need to fix life by surviving grail war."
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>>3933120
There's also far more complexity to Ayaka's character, which you'd acknowledge if you weren't on a constant quest to reduce everything to its most easily complained about caricature. I'm only using the same kind of oversimplification you are.
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>>3933122
>far more complexity
She feels single note and is boring as sin. Sorry. She's treated more like a walking plot device than a genuine character thanks to her ritual.
Same story goes for Kourakuhime, really. She could be replaced by her ability to scry and we wouldn't have lost anything of any value.


God damn it, I wish Awakening lived up to expectations set by Akeldama instead of being such a subversive shitfest half the time.

Were all these twists absolutely necessary?
Did we really need the whole artificial soul nonsense? It ruins basically everything enjoyable about Rushorou's arc in Akeldama.
Did we really need "siblings"? It cheapens what Alberich accomplished.
I genuinely preferred Ogawara and Matsuda is just a garbage villain.
Was resonance really a good idea? It literally only pissed people off and continues to do so.

These twists, while great for shock value and generating easy drama just seem to have hurt the theme of the story.

It's just so disappointing how so many things turned out.
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>>3933223
It's time to stop posting.
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>>3933225
I wish I could, but I find myself unable to stop.
Awakening seems to break new ground in finding new and interesting ways to disappoint it's long-term readers.
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>It's been 3 days
>He's still going
You had a point, but this is just retarded.
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>>3933232
Alright, alright, fine. I'll stop.
Not like the majority of my points were even being addressed anyway.
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>>3933233
That's because the majority of yer "points" are fekkin stupid.
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>>3933289
But still, they ring quite true.
Awakening just feels like it's missing something.
I'm just trying to find what it is.
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>>3933228
You know, anon, you're really making me wonder what the point is of continuing to write at all. I've devoted eight months of my life to this, continuously focusing on this story, on improving my writing abilities, on crafting characters with greater depth and humanity.
Yet where do I come out at the end of it all? With someone who complains about every single facet of it. You compare characters negatively to their more simplistic predecessors and calling human drama inorganic. You decry the central event driving the entire plot of the story as undercutting the theme of a first segment that had no real theme. Then you have the gall to complain that your points aren't being addressed.
Just how do you want your points addressed, o reader? Would you like a written apology? Shall I break down in tears at the revelation of my mediocrity? Certainly these aren't things that can be changed about the narrative, so I know it isn't in the quest that you want them addressed. There really seems to be no point at all in your complaints except to do your level best to drive the quest to an early end through complete destruction of my motivation.
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>>3933320
Sweets, don't engage with him. Just don't.
Every time I tried to argue with him, I lost hours and hours for nothing at all. He doesn't listen, he just screeches and shits everywhere.
I just ignore him now.
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>>3933320
Honestly, what >>3933334 said. This guy is an incorrigible tard, rankly hailing from /v/ or /b/. It surprises me he doesn't proxy to mimic people actually caring about his bullshit.
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>>3933334
>>3933336
Alright then you unconstructive yes-men bootlickers.
>>3933320
Why, that wasn't my intent at all!
You say these new characters are more deep, but it doesn't feel like it.
Also, human drama would work far better had you not torn away any humanity Alberich had for a cheap twist.
Ayaka feels totally out of place with her problems, it doesn't feel like she belongs at all.
As for more depth...
Lily is an Illyaclone.
Ayaka is Ayaka.
Kourakuhime is a genderbent character from Akeldama.

You want me to praise your genius in copying both a setting and somebody else's original quest idea, O QM?
You write a fanfic of a fanfic based on a Eroge, try not to get an ego from that.

Also
>devoted eight months of my life
Oh fuck right off with this, you write a CYOA Fanfic on a Vietnamese Basket Weaving Forum that updates once a day at most.

I enjoy your writing, Sweets. But honestly, these narrative decisions you've made have been highly questionable.
I've been here from Day 1, and I can honestly say that the quest just feels less enjoyable than it once did.
Sorry for being so blunt in saying all this, and I do hope it doesn't demotivate you that badly.
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>>3933378
>Unconstructive bootlickers

>Oh fuck right off with this, you write a CYOA Fanfic on a Vietnamese Basket Weaving Forum that updates once a day at most.
Uppity little faggot, you know damn well most of your "criticisms" are subjective bullshit and even where you're right you immediately proceed to take it a step further and invalidate anything you just said. I've been here from day one too, and you bring absolutely nothing to the table aside from "shallow", "feels like fiat", and "I just don't like this". I suppose Sweets should just bow down and munch carpet for you, enlightened anon. You don't give a fuck about this quest, and if you do then I can't imagine what it's like to have to engage with you IRL.
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>>3933383
Oh please anon, spare me your impotent rage, it's merely tough love.
I only do this because I want Sweets to improve.
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I believe I have missed around two threads and that drama is still going since? That`s hot.
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>>3933446
Chalk it up to Sweets' ability to write a story.
I'm invested.
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>>3933378
>Oh fuck right off with this, you write a CYOA Fanfic on a Vietnamese Basket Weaving Forum that updates once a day at most.
This may come as a shock, since I've only said it about 800 times, but I have very little free time. Since March, I've spent all of it on this quest. Yes, that still leaves me with an update schedule slower than once daily.
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>>3933474
That's just putting your free time into a hobby.
Unless you no longer enjoy writing (I hope not, that would be terrible), then what on earth are you even doing?

You're a good author, I'll give you that. That doesn't make you infallible or immune to criticism though.
You don't need to try to defend everything, though it's admirable that you've kept responding to these comments.
At the end of the day, I'm just a random anon, you can write your quest however you want, you shouldn't take this too seriously.
This is still your first quest too, there were bound to be a few stumbles that didn't go down as well as you might've hoped.

But please don't go for the sympathy card, Sweets. It's pointless when questing is inherently a hobby.
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>>3933487
Going for sympathy wasn't really the point, exactly; it was more trying to explain my perspective. If I've put all of my previously multifaceted free time into this one thing, and haven't improved, what's the point?
But then, I feel like I have improved. I look at my writing and feel it's significantly better than in City Akeldama; so there's another level of dissonance there. I just don't feel like we're seeing eye to eye, which is part of why this is so frustrating. How am I supposed to respond to criticism if I don't agree on a fundamental level? At the end of the day, I want everyone reading this quest to enjoy it, and that just doesn't seem possible.
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>>3933500
If I may, I'd like to offer my two cents, Sweets.
You can't make it enjoyable for everyone. It's impossible. Shakespeare is great -- but he has many detractors. The same applies to all literary or artistic works.
Up until now, you've really shown how understanding and caring you are of your audience.
Now, why don't you try being a bit selfish? Write what you feel like writing.
You are the QM.
You are the author.
We all are just players.
I, for one, am sure I'd enjoy that.