The Grail War continues, and you're doing battle with a god.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/AcNswEHqShinji Status Page: https://pastebin.com/UNxStSSQMy Twitter: https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMLast Thread: >>4687801
First off, you surge the magical energy you are providing to your two Servants in order to overcharge them. You've got an unlimited supply now, so there's really no harm in giving them as much magical energy as they can both hold. "Medea! Bombard him with spells! He should be less resistant to your magic!" Thank you, Alítheia, you didn't expect her blessing to come in handy in a scenario like this, but then again, you also weren't expecting to be facing off with any more dragons in the future."Understood!" Medea launches herself upwards, and her wings begin to glow with power as dozens of magic circles appear around her as she prepares to launch a rain of light towards Orochi, who simply smirks, there's only a few seconds until the activation of her magecraft, but Orochi still doesn't seem to care in the slightest. Despite the circumstances, the divine spirit is still taking things remarkably well, and you begin to wonder whether or not he's truly not intimidated at all by your amassed forces. You've got Arcueid with you, so he should at least be worried about her, right? You begin to gather more energy, even though you've got an unlimited supply now, you don't have an unlimited output, and the next step in your plan to obliterate Orochi alongside his soul will need more magical energy than you can carry naturally in your magic circuits right now."You've gotten more powerful, I can see that much, however, I think that it's about time I evened the odds a little, I think it might get a little boring if I were to kill you individually, so..." With a sharp nail, Orochi slashes the palm of one of his hands, before flicking the blood in front of him in a line. "Arise!" Suddenly, the blood that was splashed on the floor surges upwards and begins to start replicating itself until it looks like a huge wall of blood blocking your path, but soon the wall divides itself into eight distinct shapes. Eight hydra-like beasts five times the size of elephants each with eight heads stand in your way now. Orochi is capable of this level of summoning?! What's more, you can determine from but a glance that these beasts are linked directly to the will of Orochi, so any hope that you might have of trying to command them yourself is doomed!
"What, you're going to hide behind a bunch of summoned beasts now?!" You yell at Orochi, who doesn't answer you. In fact, you can't even see where he's gone! Damn it! Is he hiding somewhere? You finally let loose a beam of pure manifested truth, aimed directly at one of the beasts, the beam itself is only about the size of your torso, but still leaves a great wound in the chest of one of the false Orochi, you consider for a moment, moving your hand to the left or right in order to create a great sweeping blade of truth energy to kill all of the beasts at once, but the energy you gathered simply didn't last long enough for that. You have a tremendous amount of magic circuits, but you just don't have the output to keep that level of an attack up for more than a few seconds! Damn truth magic and its exorbitantly high magical energy cost! You recover back to your maximum energy instantly, yet if you want to use another one of those lasers, you're going to need to spend more time charging. About ten seconds was all that you needed to create one about the size of your torso, so twenty seconds should be enough to create one the size of a human body and forty seconds should once again double the diameter of the shot. While there's almost nothing that could withstand being hit by an attack like that laser beam, it's clearly more suited to precise destruction than complete obliteration, especially without a huge reservoir of magical energy like Alítheia's. It might be possible for you to replicate her first attack though, the one that caused an implosion into nothingness, but seeing as even Alítheia needed to charge that attack up, it's likely that it needed hundred of thousands or potentially millions of units of magical energy to actually activate! Even with an unlimited supply and an output as great as your own for a human at five thousand units of magical energy output, you would still need to spend a great deal of time channeling magical energy to have any success in replicating the effects of Alítheia's usage of truth as a tool to erase things completely.Unbelievably, the huge hole that you just fired into one of the summoned beasts begins to heal itself without any issue! No way! You're sure that you managed to hit at least one vital point! Regardless, your beam dealt no lasting damage to one of the eight beasts that are now charging towards you and your allies, however...
Hundreds of purple beams suddenly come crashing downwards as Medea finishes the preparations for a truly devastating spell, and the false Orochi all look upwards in surprise before each are pierced hundreds of times by spears of unending purple light. Their tough draconic hides offering no resistance to the magic of the woman with Alítheia's blessing. Medea's onslaught of magic only lasts for about half a minute, but in that time, the eight summoned beasts have been rendered into hole ridden corpses. Medea floats back down to the ground with a smug expression. "Is that really the extent of your summoning, Dragon God? I must admit, I was expecting them to be a little more... impressive." She's clearly enjoying herself at having so easily slain the monsters, but unbelievably, despite the state of their bodies which should've been completely impossible for any creature to survive, each and every one of the ragged looking false Orochi stand up once again, the thousands of wounds collectively inflicted upon them smoking as new flesh replaces that which was erased by the spears of light. Damn it! Are these things invincible or what?!"The heads!" Mordred suddenly calls out. "Isn't it obvious? If you want these bastards to stay dead, you need to go after the heads!" You don't know just how she managed to figure that out, and you chalk it up to her Instinct working on overdrive, but it makes sense that piercing attacks wouldn't be effective on beasts like these. They've almost entirely recovered now, and have begun to charge towards you once again. >"Everyone, focus on a single one of them each!">"Everyone, we'll focus on one at a time until we've killed them all!">"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you line up your Noble Phantasm out in a way that will wipe out as many as possible? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same with your Marble Phantasm?">"If you just need to cut their heads from their body, then you might have just the thing for it! (Use one of your own abilities.)>Write-in...
>>4697319>>"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you line up your Noble Phantasm out in a way that will wipe out as many as possible? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same with your Marble Phantasm?"
>>4697319>"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you line up your Noble Phantasm out in a way that will wipe out as many as possible? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same with your Marble Phantasm?"Great update as per usual WhatIs....now then lets hope and pray this actually works. Say.....if we died now would we go back to before we decided to go to Zouken or would we just go back to the fight?
>>4697319>"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you line up your Noble Phantasm out in a way that will wipe out as many as possible? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same with your Marble Phantasm?"
>>4697319>"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you line up your Noble Phantasm out in a way that will wipe out as many as possible? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same with your Marble Phantasm?"It's about time we stopped trying to solo everything.
Calling in 30.
Would Betty's witch trial work on these?Shinji could even mock him about hurting himself if it did.
>>4697349Thats.....a good question actually. I wanna say....maybe.
>>4697349Man, we've forgotten every other ability of Betty ever since we found out about her eyes. But I think she can't control Witch Trial yet.
>Try to wield the Second True Magic through the Kaleidostar (To do what?)Regarding this option from previous thread.If we had any real practice with swords we could have tried to do our own version Tsubame Gaeshi with sword of truth.I am not sure we can replicate its effects with bajiquan or Killings Arts.>>4697349Betty can probably use her new extra magical energy to summon some really strong creatures. Like hounds of Tindalos or dimensional shamblers. Shamblers are interesting option because they could potentially just drag Orochi out of this world.Alaya and Gaia might not like it but I imagine Orochi destroying country or two is not ideal for them too.
>>4697368Godzilla sized beaky
>>4697368We have Arcueid with us though and the summons could distract her. Probably better not use them when she's involved.
>>4697369Makes you wonder what is he up to these days.>>4697370She took it better than Lugh but yeah it will probably unnerve her.Still worth considering if all else fails to do the job.
I feel like we should try using our marble here shinji's main problem with his marble is the cost but while we're mahou shounen we have infinite mana i think this the proper set up to use our marble.
>>4697377WhatIs has warned us against trying to bruteforce the marble like that. It's not just a question of power, none of the previous verses have come as a result of an increase in our raw power.
>>4697377we can only use a Reality Marble in moments of maximum hype
"We'll kill them all at once! Mordred, can you get into position so that you'll be able to kill as many as possible with your Noble Phantasm at the same time? Arcueid, can I ask you to do the same?" You quickly bark out some requests to your allies in the few moments that you have before the many headed snake monsters reach you all. You get two quick nods in return, and both Mordred and Arcueid disappear with speed faster than you eye can track, each going to one side of the line of monsters. Of course, you aren't going to just stop there. While you may have sorted out an offensive approach to dealing with these beasts, you aren't just about to leave the rest of your allies defenseless, so once again you call upon the unlimited energy that is available to you to create a mighty shell around you and your allies, shielding you all from the attacks of the beasts as they finally close the distance, their fangs skittering uselessly across the surface of the golden orb as if it were made of unbreakable glass. You almost laugh at the dumb creatures before your attentions shifts onto Mordred, and you notice that Caliburn Camlann is shining with far more magical energy than a weapon should be capable of handling! Is she trying to destroy her own weapon or something?!"Disappear into the light of the Holy Sword of Paradoxes! Caliburn Camlann: Overload!" Mordred brings her sword of red light down, and a great curtain of red light shoots forth from it, the red light consumes the beasts that it touches, and at that moment you understand that through the power of being a sword forged of paradoxes, it really does have a destructive power equal to Excalibur itself. Mordred angles her shot so as to avoid hitting you or Arcueid, so the curtain of light only strikes four of the beasts, though they are immediately disintegrated upon being touched by the red curtain of death that approaches them at speed even a Servant would be incapable of reacting to.Status Updated!At the same time as the red light of Camlann engulfs the beasts, you notice that tens of thousands of cuts begin to appear all over the bodies of the four false Orochi closest to Arcueid, deep cuts separating not just the heads from the bodies, but as the atmosphere around the beasts has turned into a storm of millions of cutting blades of wind, the entire forms of the four beasts are quickly diced into tiny chunks, then even those chunks are further destroyed by the power of Arcueid's Marble Phantasm, and soon all that remains of the four beasts closest to her are four large puddles of blood.
The light from Mordred's attack soon disappears, and you disable the shield you had erected around you and your other allies for a moment to inspect the damage. On Mordred's side, all that is left of the beasts are scattered ashes, and on Arcueid's side, the aforementioned puddles of blood. You... really weren't expecting the mighty looking magical beasts summoned by Orochi's power to be taken out with such little difficulty by the two women, but you certainly aren't going to complain, now the only question left to ask is where exactly has Orochi gone? You can feel his presence all around you as a result of his overwhelmingly powerful spirit, but as a result you can't quite pinpoint him."Come on out, cowardly snake!" You yell into the empty woods, and earn only the whispers of the trees as a response. "I know that you're here. Orochi! You can't run away from me!" You try to taunt the Snake God, but then an idea forms. "Arcueid, you've got senses beyond anyone else here, tell me, do you notice anything?""I can tell that he's close, but... I can't pinpoint his location!" Damn it! So even Arcueid is having the same problem as you? Where the hell did Orochi go?! Did he really just decide to bail on the fight after summoning some monsters that you dealt with easily?! As you keep looking around, you notice that the pool of blood has vanished entirely, was it... already absorbed into the ground? You look for the ashy remains of the other four snakes from Mordred's attacks, and realize that they to are gone, and at that moment, you get... almost a premonition of danger. None of those snakes were actually killed! You may have managed to disrupt their current forms and ability to regenerate, but you finally realize just what those snakes were! Each one... Each one was a single head of Orochi! He had decided to attack you with each individual body by themselves, but the lack of any remains tells you that Orochi is trying to trick you into thinking that you won while he regenerates! He's planning to ambush somebody, but who?! Who could he be planning to attack?!>Arcueid!>Mordred!>Medea!>Tamamo!>You!?>Write-in...?
>>4697400>You>TamamoRealistically these are his targets, though Targeting Arcueid and Mordred due to their power also doesn’t seem entirely out of the question.
>>4697400>>Tamamo!its either us or Tamamo, Zouken has a grudge against us and Orochi stated he wanted to get Tamamo first
>>4697400>Tamamo!She showed fear and he has personal vendetta against her.
35 minute call warning.
Guess you guys aren't interested in this vote.
>>4697400If he’s hiding in the ground, could we affect the surface to be impenetrable so when he surges forth he will bonk himself against it?
>>4697435Not much to go on, and I agree with the others that Tamamo's the more likely target.
>>4697435>Paradox Reincarnator>Sword of ParadoxesI like how Mordred is using Instinct in non-combat situations. It is really flattering.
>>4697435It’s more than it seems important and if unsure we’re afraid to choose poorly.I’d say it should be either Shinji or Medea on account of presumed squishiness.It would make more sense for it to be us because taking us out would also neutralize or weaken our Servants, but it could be Medea to make us suffer. Tamamo is also valid option, reasonably Mordred or Arc are too. Not sure about Morgan or Betty and I bet I’m forgetting something important...
>>4697445>I bet I’m forgetting something importantWe all do.
>>4697435People discouraged discussion in the previous important vote. I'm still salty and not inclined to participate in the fight.
>>4697435Oops dropped my trip.>>4697444It's a sword of paradoxes, and Mordred incarnated through it.>>4697440Even if you agree with the winning vote, as a QM, vote count is one of the ways I can measure engagement with any given.Roll 1d100 best of 4.
Rolled 43 (1d100)>>4697454I know. But it fits so well.
Rolled 35 (1d100)>>4697454come on now
Rolled 78 (1d100)>>4697454
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>>4697452Are you talking about the vote where you used the Kaleidostick or what?While I do wish that anons thought of the potential consequences more, I can't blame them if they genuinely got concerned about the power of Orochi, even if I as the QM didn't intend for them to react in such a way.Sometimes it feels like a lot of people don't even read the status pages.
>>4697467>KaleidostickKaleidostar, I should say.
>>4697467Yeah, exactly. It made it obvious most people want different things than me from the fights and strategizing, and I don't want to be a party pooper again.And nothing will convince me it was anything but a troll vote.
>>4697400>Have Medea teleport everyone high into the air and form a solid structure of mana to stand on so he can't rise up from the earth and ambush anyone.Shinji and a few allies can currently fly too
>>4697472Well, I still appreciate your input, anon.>>4697474Oooh, too late to be counted.
>>4697472I made the original suggestion and it was very much not a troll option. When Orochi simply T-posed through 4 tailed Tamamo's Witchcraft made with prep time which typically bypasses Magic Resistance and we have an infinite mana source that's only gated by embarrassment its not worth hesitating for the scenario to get worse.>>4697476Just woke up and read through everything unfortunately. Figured it was worth a shot. Wasn't fast enough
>>4697467You showed him as the most terrifying enemy we have faced yet. With deadliest mix of all kinds of abilities all of which have great synergy.I am sure most anons drawed parallel with Fate route and fight with Berserker in the forest. But instead of doing threesome in some shack we did risky power up at the yet undecided cost.
>>4697472If you are this salty and realized that a majority of the people were okay with the mahou shounen vote, then why do you keep rallying to punish both the people who voted differently from you, and the people who will keep playing after this? What totalitarian state were you born from that made you THIS bitter and want to punish people who dissagree with you anon? If something as simple as one vote that you dissagree with caused you to call for severe punishment of everyone playing for thinking differently compared to you, then don't play a multi player 4chan story in the first place anon. Let it go and stop being childish.
>>4697476Well, you're probably the only one. But I appreciate your writing, and that's why I'm still following.>>4697478Sorry nigga, but I don't believe you. I'm not interested in reviving this conversation either, reread my posts in the previous thread if you still want to know why I think it was a colosally stupid idea.>>4697488Thanks for proving my point about discouraging discussion. Though I had no idea me not participating in the fight was such a punishment for you.
>>4697491>Thanks for proving my point about discouraging discussion. Though I had no idea me not participating in the fight was such a punishment for you.What, do you even know how to read? You claim to be against the troll post but you're acting just like one honestly. Suck it up, the fun vote passed ONE time in the whole story and I and a majority of people enjoy it. Deal with it and stop trying to punish other players, especially players who didn't vote for the mahou shounen thing in the first place. Not everyone is as bitter as you to call for consequences for two threads straight, that is not discussion, that is just being a sore loser.
Rolled 306 (1d500)Hold on, Rolling.
Rolled 241 (1d1000)And opposing it...
>>4697495What the actual fuck? WhatIs asked why the low participation, I answered why I personally didn't participate. Where the fuck did you see me trying to punish anyone in any way?
>>4697506>>4697508>>4697510What a horrible day to have a curse.
>>4697513Tamamo Vore? Homme Fatale Wormpa Vore end?We or someone get skin aids?!What?!
>>4697508>>4697506>>4697510i fucking hate it here
>>4697510I do have faith in you OP.Surely you would not bring us rejoicing(tm) over rng and a trick question.
>>4697531Of course not, but the battle just... well it got a little bit more ridiculous.
>>4697532Did Orochi pull a fenrir and eat the sun (fox)?
>>4697533Or picked wrong, it ate us and now we're inside it.
How many of you are familiar with the concept of a superboss, by the way?
>>4697541hope that happens cause it'd be kinda lame if one of our friends gets eaten or something through ONE bad dice roll. It'd be pretty kino if this is how we complete our reality marble
It would be hilarious if Orochi miscalculated his new abilities and Ibuki was created.I guess Mahou Shoujo runs in Makiri family if that is the case.
>>4697547>Flashbacks to Red in (Heart)Gold/(Soul)SilverAw shiet, here we go again.
>>4697547I admit I have not heard that word before. Is it the hidden bosses that are harder than the endboss, like FF's Weapons?
>>4697547harder than actual plotboss, lovely
>>4697547What kind of superboss? Because there's a difference between say a SquareEnix Superboss and an Atlus Superboss.
>>4697547But this is that Manaka was.She basically wiped the party without effort and told us to go grind some levels before meeting her again.
>>4697564Manaka is the Final Boss, a Superboss is optional and usually much stronger than the Final Boss
>>4697547He's harder than Manaka now? Oh boy.
Guess it's time for Redman supercharged by Kaldeo-Rin to suicide bomb the threat with Slash Emperor. We can always resummon him and he'll get to save the world.
I guess we should prepare to call gilgameshAnd aoko, the 5th probably will help somehow
>>4697547That's when you accidentally create a giant monster and then it becomes your daughter, right?
So we have to roll when we transform. Does rin ever face anything like that? Or is it bc amethyst is still learning?
>>4697547did we just incarnate yamato no orochi for real
If Orochi is going to go after somebody, then it's either going to be you or Tamamo! With that in mind, there's only one solution! You quickly dash backwards, grab Tamamo by the arms, and take to the skies with her. "H-husband?!" You ignore her words as you get away from the ground."Everyone! Prepare yourself! He's hiding in the ground!" You yell to your grounded allies, who all prepare themselves for the emergence of Orochi, you don't know where he's going to come out from, but you begin to prepare another beam to fire directly at him the moment he emerges. Ten seconds pass, twenty seconds pass. The earth starts to shake and rumble, and another twenty seconds pass, you're confident that a well aimed shot will be able to evaporate the body of one of those beasts entirely, and leave him nothing to reform them with. Come on... Thirty more seconds pass, and you start getting nervous.Finally, the wait ends, and Orochi finally begins to reveals himself, though instead of the Relatively manageable size he had before, the head emerging from the ground now is huge! Where before each head wasn't really that large, the head spearing upwards towards you and Tamamo is easily as wide as a bus, and as tall as the Einzbern Castle! Your allies on the floor are plunged into disarray as the earth quakes about them, and only Arcueid and Mordred manage to remain stable on the shifting ground as the great snake head emerges from the ground. "Take this, you bastard!" You scream as you let loose a beam of truth far larger than the last, whereas last time your beam was merely around the size of your torso, this time though the beam is large enough to envelop the entire head of the beast as it tries to bite both you and Tamamo, and without resistance, the enormous head of the snake is erased entirely, blasting a deep hole into the ground that likely continues for hundreds of meters. You aren't nearly foolish enough to be deceived into believing that you've beaten Orochi just yet though, so you don't let up, and begin to charge another attack. "Everyone! Get ready for another to show up! We're going to need to utterly destroy all eight of his heads before we can stop him!" You command your allies, and after readjusting themselves and getting used to the new inhospitable terrain, prepare for another colossal snake head to pierce the ground."Arcueid! Watch out!" It's Mordred who first notices the danger, and Arcueid, for all her strength, was completely unaware. Mordred's warning comes just too late to stop Arcueid from getting one of her legs snatched by the jaws of a comparatively much smaller snakehead from the ground, and unbelievably, it tears her leg from her body.
The girl grits her teeth, ignoring the pain as the snake head suddenly descends back into the ground before she can retaliate with a fierce blow that had the snake not moved immediately, would've turned it into pulp. Seeing this, you drop to the floor with Tamamo still in your arms before you gently put the woman down on the ground. "Arcueid! Are you alright? Can you regenerate, or do you need me to heal your wound?" Just as you answer the woman, her leg begins to heal before your eyes, her regenerative abilities at fifty percent of her powers being capable of healing this wound and far more."Sorry, I just... got careless, I wasn't expecting that." The girl sounds apologetic regardless, and you try to give her a reassuring smile. It's bad that she was hurt, but Orochi is kind of an idiot if he decided he was going to attack the person you have with you with the fastest regenerative ability."It's not a problem, just... be on your guard for the next attack. Orochi isn't some mindless beast, he's attacking us with the tactical cunning of one of the deadliest magi of the modern era. Deceit and trickery are terrible tools to be in the arsenal of somebody as cunning as Zolgen Makiri once was." While Zolgen may have little influence on the actions of Yamata-no-Orochi, it is very clear that the deity is putting his intelligence to a tremendously terrifying effect.Then, unexpectedly, there's a flash of red light from the hole in the floor, and Arcueid suddenly drops to the floor in agony. Before you can ask her what's gone wrong, the tremendous heat from the flash of light causes you to take note of it instead... it's... it's more like a beam! A beam of pure destructive energy. There's... There's far too much power! What... What happened to Orochi down there? A figure floats upwards out of the red pillar of energy, and laughs wildly as he does so. "Such divine flesh, despite lacking any divinity! Right now, I feel as if I could consume the entire planet!" Orochi emerges from the pillar of energy, which dissapears behind him, and where before his energy was suffocating, now it is truly crushing. What... What the hell?!Status Updated!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmLDc0Ofuj8No... No way! He... managed to steal some of Arcueid's power for his own?! Is that even possible! "Arcueid, did he... did he just do what I think he did?!" You yell in alarm. This... This is the worst case scenario! He's... He's a Beast now!
"I did, a pity I was only capable of stealing half of the White Princess' current available power, but I doubt I would've been met with much success if I attempted to consume her utterly." Orochi looks impossibly smug. "I suppose that you could call me a 'Beast' now. It seems that the consumption of her flesh caused me to ascend to the next stage of existence for a Divine Spirit." Where before, you were fairly certain that Alítheia would be capable of defeating this dragon, you... aren't so certain anymore."M-my powers! I can't use my magic!" Medea suddenly shouts in panic, and the look of panic on her face is replicated by Tamamo. Damn it! Both of the girls must've been unable to resist the effect of his Nega-Skill! That means that the two previously powerful Casters have been reduced to nothing but dead weight! This... This is a disaster!"Now, I believe that it's time for you to all die." Orochi seems to prepare himself to attack, before suddenly, there's a presence behind him that appears too quickly for him to react to!"Hiken. Tsubame Gaeshi!" A perfectly executed triple sword slash from behind cuts Orochi into pieces, the fleshy body of Zolgen Makiri offering Yamata-no-Orochi no defense against the biting steel of Monohoshizao, and the man you had last expected to see, never mind come to you rescue shows himself fully. Sasaki Kojiro?! How? And... Saber!?Status Updated!"I would normally loathe cutting a man down from behind, but I make special exceptions for monsters." The swordsman flicks the blood clean off of his blade, and already the body of Orochi begins to make attempts to put itself together again." Now, If I might make a suggestion, we should all run. This is an opponent beyond all of us." You know there's no use arguing against somebody like Sasaki, he's probably been observing this entire battle from the beginning, and with Eye of the Mind (False) at A+ rank for some reason, you already know that his summation of things is guaranteed to be correct. You have so many questions, but you know that Sasaki is right and now is definitely not the time to ask them. You clearly need to run, but where?! Teleportation isn't possible right now, not with Medea rendered powerless! This is the sort of opponent that you need everyone together to have a chance at defeating!>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki.>Get to the Temple! Manaka's Servants will prove a decent distraction to buy some time!>Leave somebody behind to make sure that you can successfully get away. (Who?)>Call upon the Second True Magic and try to use that to warp everyone away. (Where to?)>Write-in...
>>4697621get everyone to run, bail out now.>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki.and>Call upon the Second True Magic and try to use that to warp everyone away. (Where to?)warp to just outside fuyuki temple.>Get to the Temple! Manaka's Servants will prove a decent distraction to buy some time!even if Manaka's not on our side, I doubt she'd be willing to just let orochi fuck the temple up and cause a scene big enough to get counter guardians involved more than they are
>>4697621>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki. >Write-in... Wear the bracelet once more, in hopes that he will get here faster! Oh shit.... Magic is useless now. GILGAMESH TASKUTTE AYEEEEE I YIELD OROCHI-SAMA!
>>4697628+1Gil isn't a retard, he understands how fucked Beasts are and Orochi is basically Manaka's rival now
>>4697621>Call upon the Second True Magic and try to use that to warp everyone away. (Gil's date)OH SHIT, the missing samurai is back with vengeance.
>>4697628But if we bring him to the temple he will vore every single Alter Servant and Manaka and The Grail Itself. He will be a god if you do that. The only way to stop him is to pray and hope the king of heroes lives up to his name!
>>4697634>>4697630>>4697631>>4697621Good call, changing to this, Gil will probably be displeased at first but when he hears Beast he'll go along with us
Calling in forty minutes.
>>4697621>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki. I really don't want Orochi-Zolgen to eat more servants.
A reminder that Tsubame Gaeshi under the fuyuki system isnt a NP and don't use any mana, so sasaki can spam it if its on flat ground. unless the QM changed things>>4697634we just need to hold him in place while gilgamesh uses EA, the problem is him using it.>>4697621>>4697628+1
hmmmk so time to backline anyone Divine except maybe Gil as Enkidu should still work for restraints, but its a clash of two concepts here as snek is very much divine but is apparently immune to divine constructs.>Nega-Deity: ACompletely negates the skills of any being classed as gods, turning them as powerless as normal human beings in his presence, beings with the blood of gods that are not full deities must pass a willpower check to resist this skill. Any Noble Phantasms or weapons forged by gods have no effect on Yamata-no-Orochi.As >>4697634says don't feed him free powerups by luring him to the temple.Don't get in melee distance, stick with ranged fighters. We need to link up with Ilya and get a full stat sheet on Avenger to work out if its the human aspect Alcidies or not, if so he'll be a great asset due to anti divine and personal experience with a hydra. The hydra poison arrows are absolute and might be able to be truthed into having an additional sleeping effect on the poison to knock Orochi unconscious, which would turn off his Eater of Gods skill so he can be wailed on by Karna and Gil going all out at a distance, they're both divine but have huge fire power and can out range the snek aids.>Eater of Gods: A+An Anti-God skill that represents the tale of Yamata-no-Orochi's consumption of seven of the daughters of the kunitsukami. Due to this skill, Yamata-no-Orochi is practically invincible against any being with divinity for as long as he is conscious, though this skill will not function should he not be conscious. In addition, by consuming Gods, beings descended from Gods, or even beings that could be called Gods, Yamata-no-Orochi can take their powers for their own, increasing his parameters and adding whatever Personal Skills or Class Skills they own to his own.Humans like Morud and Arthur will be useful, if Waver happened to bring Gray and Rhongobongo all the better, but they're gonna have to avoid melee distance and just beamspam because of:>Authority of the Beast: B An Anti-Humanity skill that provides Yamata-no-Orochi with additional damage against all humans, all attacks made against humans will be two ranks higher than their original rank and be both cursed and poisoned.cont. in next post..
>>4697644Because of the following skill, he needs to be utterly incinerated. So a combo of Ea and Karna tossing the sun at him might be enough to burn ufp every trace, but of course he has to be knocked unconscious temporarily first.>Battle Continuation: A+++A skill inherited from his host, and strengthened thanks to his own existence as a god. Yamata-no-Orochi is effectively unkillable, capable of regenerating even from a single drop of blood with no issue due to the nature of the body functioning as his own. Normally, Zolgen Makiri's body would require the crest worm containing his soul to survive in order to ensure his regeneration, but this limitation has been lost due to the nature of Yamata-no-Orochi, every single aspect of his body contains enough of his soul for him to regenerate from. It is possible to even regenerate from ash so long as it was part of his body.Even if he were to be completely deprived of a body, through possessing a new host before the dissipation of his soul, he is capable of continuing to exist. We need to find out what Avenger has skill wise though, because if he is human and has Reincarnation Pandora he can either steal away some of Orochi's stuff or take powerful attacks from a divine servant and use them as a human.Satsuki can be used as a heal/buffslut due to her RM too, if anyone needs some extra juice. EMIYA is pure man and has a huge ranged toolkit, might be worth giving him some new toys to play with.
>>4697642if he eats gilgamesh we are fucked so much holy shit>>4697644i feel like enkidu should work considering that it worked against tiamat.
>>4697621>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki.We should try to avoid kojiro dying here since his soul is guaranteed to go to illya or sakura. Also anyone else
>>4697647Wont EA just bypass any skill?EA removes the current texture of the world.
>>4697655Gil is running on fumes right now, he might not be able to fully invoke it and he would never accept a contract
>>4697621Changing to this only:>>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki.I'm not bringing him to the Grail to feed him more power ups, and I am not even going to attempt to use magic. >>4697656Wouldn't he have Rule Broke himself and contracted with Ayaka since he is in love with her and wants to stick around?
Do you like the Superboss, everyone?
>>4697660yeahnothing we can't beat, but it's a good new level to the challenge
>>4697660With how much we over prepared for Manaka, fighting Orochi seems more fitting since we have New Game+ tier stats and party members. Too bad New Game+ locked out the AltRogue and Primate Murder bosses.
Maybe it's time to wake up whatever is in Betty
Now I gotta admit, the Mahou Shonen voter were ahead of their time.
>>4697656>Gil is running on fumes right nowblood mana transfer>>4697660seems killable.I expected something on unkillable level of tiamat.Also we cant let him eat sakura.
>>4697621>Call upon the second magic and warp everyone to the Tohsaka residence, as its the only major location that won't cause mass civilian deaths as Orochi makes a beeline for us if he follows.>Contact Gil personally through the bracelet and warn him of the false beast>Contact Ciel and see if the plot stick has arrived with donte and if we can get Karna over here asap for support.>Once Medea is away from snek she shouldn't be so spaghetti with magic, so we can get in contact with Ilya and get a proper read on Avenger and regroup with Rin and EMIYA.
>>4697668that ends the quest>>4697669you're welcome
>>4697669Exactly, choosing Kaleid Prism Power, Make Up! option was how you unlocked the secret final boss in New Game+, read the game guide!
>>4697621where is sasaki on the sheet i cant find him
>mfw this developmentthis is not how finishing off zouken was supposed to go>>4697621support >>4697631
>>4697677He's listed as Third Saber, underneath where Mordred used to be.You're actually really lucky he's not an enemy because he'd be damn deadly otherwise.
>>4697681Who is second Assassin then?! Don't tell me its King Hassan or something, second Assassin has been MIA for the entire story!
>>4697687I worry it might end up being some alt version of Robin Hood. With his poisons and traps, we could be getting into some bad stuff if it's him.
>>4697671+1>>4697668I'd rather not end reality right now, even if that would be a massive flex on Manaka.>>4697680Zouken is the easy first boss that runs off to become a monster.Despite the shitstorm it caused, I'm glad we used the kalidostar as it proved the old rougelike adage of using your resources before you're about to die.
>>4697681Makes sense considering that he as a assassin was so deadly on 1v1 fights that Cu himself didnt want to fight him alone and he could have killed saber on a fight if he wasnt dying and his sword wasnt shit during the end of UBW
>>4697654>>4697671Switching to this
>>4697621change my vote from >>4697643 to >>4697671
>>4697621>>4697671Fuck it, this one is better. Last change I promise.
>>4697687>Don't tell me its King Hassan or somethingConsidering how many Beasts are running around it wouldn't surprise me
>>4697757Hassan only kills what allah ask him to kill.
>>4697671I don't think the bracelet works like that unless you want to send morse code by taking it on and off.
>>4697621>Call SHIKI as you run, tell him to interrupt the date, have him tell Gilgamesh that a Beast is in Fuyuki.>Get to the Temple! Manaka's Servants will prove a decent distraction to buy some time!Ok fuck it, let's take a chance on them weakening eachother.
This is why we shouldn't have put off Zouken. Waiting for Sakura probably would have made this worst.
Gil figured out pretty quick we were trying to contact him earlier, also seeing as we're using the 2nd magic to teleport we can put the bracelet on after teleporting everyone and try another teleport that it will block, teleporting Gil to us if he hasn't noticed our earlier attempts
oops>>4697855was meant to be in reply to >>4697761
"Everyone! Grab on to me!" You've had an idea, and with any luck, it will mean that you won't need Medea to be capable of using her own magic in order to perform a speedy extraction. Everyone quickly complies, and to your surprise, so does the teddy bear familiar from the castle. You hadn't even noticed when it arrived, but it seems to be carrying Tamamo's Master with it. Good call, Kiritsugu, looks like Sasaki wasn't the only guy observing the fight from afar. "Ready, Amethyst? Try not to dump us into the sky or something... please.""I... definitely will not do that, Master!" The Kaleidostar begins to perform the calculations required to perform a large scale warp with this many people. "Where do you want me to drop you, anyway? Your place?" The Kaleidostar tries to preempt you by suggesting your own home, but you shake your head. "Rin's house. There's less danger to the public if Orochi makes a beeline for us." You hate the idea of having to run away, but Orochi as he is now has managed to steal half of Arcueid's power, leaving her with only half as powerful as she was powerful, and making Orochi far far more powerful than he has any right to be. It'll be a complete disaster if he manages to get any more strength through devouring some other Servants, so you need to deal with him immediately... Well, you say a complete disaster, but you've pretty certainly already passed that point. At this point, if Orochi gets any more power, the word disaster won't be applicable, and instead 'apocalypse' will be far more apt as a descriptor for the god. How did things come to this? "Understood! Give me a few seconds to get the calibrations ready!" You look at the body of Zolgen rapidly beggining to reform, and you can hear the strain in Amethyst's voice. It's very clear that she too knows the direness of the current situation, so is almost certainly working as quickly as she is able without making any mistakes again. Thankfully, just as Orochi's body fully reforms... "It's ready, Master!""Good! Then get us the hell out of here!" You yell at the star, and she obliges the request, the world around you disappears in... well a kaleidoscope of color. For a second, you are surrounded by an endless amount of reflected prismatic light, before the warp finishes and you find yourself standing in Rin's bedroom. This would be very awkward if Rin was in the house, and if you weren't accompanied by the rest of your faction. You breath a sigh of relief as you realize that at least for now, the danger has passed. You don't know how long it will take Orochi to track you down again, but without leaving a physical trail for him to follow, it should take longer... Hopefully. "Everyone, please... take a moment to relax. We've suffered a defeat, but everyone is still alive so things aren't as... guh!" You are suddenly prevented from explaining things any further as you are tackled to the floor by a certain fox woman.
"Oh, husband! You... You saved me from Orochi! I'll never ever stop loving you for this!" The woman is rubbing her face against yours like she is some sort of cat, despite being a fox, and it's only when she is picked up by the back of her dress and tossed aside by Mordred that she stops."Oi. We're kind of in the middle of a crisis here, you idiot fox." Mordred's voice has a cold edge to it as she addresses Tamamo, who for all the divine power she was flaunting in your first meeting, is now just as meek as you'd expect from her when she only has one of her tails. It really does appear that the battle against Orochi has scared her back to her senses, at least for now. Nobody seems to care about how Tamamo decided to address you either, everyone is a little too busy with thoughts of Orochi to really begin fighting among each other."Mordred is right, Tamamo." You agree with the girl, happy to have had the fox woman extracted from you. "First off though, can the two of you use your abilities again, now that we are a fair distance away from Yamata-no-Orochi?" "I can." Medea confirms, and a nod from Tamamo gives you an affirmative answer from both of the girls. Thank goodness then, Nega-Deity isn't a permanent skill, and must work on proximity to Orochi. Good to know for your future battle with the Snake Bastard, but it's truly unfortunate that you won't really be able to rely on either Tamamo or Medea for the fight at all. "Excellent, then hold on for a moment." You proceed to take the bracelet Gilgamesh gave you out of your pocket before you take it on and off over and over again, letting the King of Heroes know of the emergency. You hate to ruin his date, but you're really going to need him to help out here. Nega-Deity shouldn't provide Orochi with immunity to Ea, and Ea is one of the few weapons that may just be capable of fully destroying Orochi as he now exists, soul and all. If this doesn't work to get his attention, you guess you'll just need to text SHIKI to interrupt the date. "Now with that done, Medea, I need to scry for somebody again, I need to determine whether or not it's a good time to retrieve the rest of our allies." Medea quickly produces the ball, and upon placing a palm on it, you can see Ciel once again, though now she's walking across the deck of a cargo ship, slowly inspecting each and every cargo container meticulously, as if looking for something. This is almost certainly the prelude to her meeting with Enhance, and you aren't really sure if you should involve yourself in it.>Have Medea teleport you to Ciel anyway.>No, just scry on Rin and Illya instead, see if they are done yet.>Start teleporting the rest of your allies still on the Helicopter to you, the damn thing is still at least an hour and a half away from arriving.>Scry on Orochi to see what he is currently doing.>Write-in...
>>4697908scry on Rin and Illya instead, see if they are done yet.>Start teleporting the rest of your allies still on the Helicopter to you, the damn thing is still at least an hour and a half away from arriving
>>4697918Can we even teleport sakura using the stick?
>>4697908>>No, just scry on Rin and Illya instead, see if they are done yet.Would the pointy stick of destiny help?
>>4697927Maybe one of them can hold sakura and she be transported as well?
>>4697927Or what if we transport the chopper as a whole
>>4697927We don't know, the status page is deliberately mysterious as to what effect True Magic has on her.I think it could work.
Good night, everyone.Did you enjoy today's session?Because just one world ending threat wasn't enough, amirite?
>>4697908>Scry on Rin and IlyaWe need EMIYA and Avenger asap for ranged support and to draw Orochi away from the town and all the helpless NPCs>Call Shirou, tell him he's to navigate as Saber pilots all the non-teleportable allies in the chopper to a place of our choosing, at this state either the docks to collect the lance or Rin's house, but we'll update if the Orochi. compromises either location. Try teleporting everyone else who can be teleported to our location though. Alternatively, Can Sakura just fly on dragonloli while the rest are teleported here?Scrying on snek might alert him to where we are, rather not until we've got some kind of footing back. Give Ciel a few more minutes to find the dead jew stick while we co-ordinate the others.
>>4697978>>4697908The basketball American has not failed us so far, support. I'd like to see Sakura flying on dragonloli like an anime Khaleesi.
>>4697966It was great.I hope Merlin is watching this shit.
>>4697988>Beato as a servantI’d actually like to see this in all honesty.
>>4698008What would she do? All my knowledge of Umineko comes from pics like this.
>>4698025Umineko was only memorable for me because of the meme anime back in the 2000s which got me into the VN in the first place. The Rosa eating Maria scene fucked me up as a high school kid. >>4698008If FGO actually collabs with something other than its own IPs I would be impressed. Its a mystery to me why they don't though, other gachas like Granblue collabed with P5 and Code Geass and yet FGO doesn't dare add servants outside of its own ip.
I'm going to give you a very tiny hint, and tell you that there are a few ways to defeat Beast Orochi without brute force.It's up to you to figure them out.But yeah good night for real this time.
>>4698035use second magic to yeet him into the sununlock full RM and unexist him
>>4698032>yet FGO doesn't dare add servants outside of its own ip.What are you talking about anon? Picrelated is clearly a Danganronpa character!>>4698039>Use the Second Magic or unlock the full RM.I consider both of these to be brute force methods considering they would kind of kill basically anything.>>4698044Why are you supporting that.That's just speculation.You...what?>>4697533Techically, he ate the moon.
>>4697966Well hey while we're at it we may as well poke goetia and piss him off too. Alaya will probably throw the grand servants at us for all the trouble we cause.
>>4698048Break out a spray bottle and tap him on the nose with a newspaper?
>>4698055You'd need one hell of a large newspaper.
In the near future we should consider having Shinji and all of the skilled mages present investigate the original summoning circle Zouken used while snek is distracted by a few archers and see if they can reverse it, possibly hijack it to summon Susanoo into SHinji's body or if Morgan can destabilise the Orochi's host body with Erosion as we never asked her opinion on this. Can easily just have EMIYA launch BP Rule Breakers and Erosions to try and mess with the stability of the host's body from afar.We could also try and contact Alan and have him remove the giant worm as its getting in the way of us preventing the elder god apotheosis for him.>>4698048Only 25% of the moon for now
>>4698062>We could also try and contact AlanOdd that this hasn't come up until now.Especially now that he has a brand new maid who hates him!
>>4698067Big character casts and a new child are distracting, also we haven't seen human form Alan since the original encounter with Aife
>>>4698067Alan showed up to flex on us and then dipped for 95% of the story.
>>4698071Nothing stopping you from scrying on him though.Or at least trying.
>>4698067Oh bae, I can't wait to see the cast react to THAT.
>>4698073I'd have thought scrying on an Eldritch horror wouldn't be the smartest thing but then we brainmelded with a few of Betty's familiars earlier with nothing but a mild headache to show for it
>>4698078You'd only be scrying on his human form.It's not like his very presence melts peoples brains right now unless he wants it to.
>>4698081Already cast my vote for now, but I'll mention it in future, especially if Gil is too distracted with his date to care about our scuffed method of contacting him. Last time it did take Medea actively trying to scry him to bother seeing what we wanted and he wasn't busy simping
I wonder if BB has access to C.C.C outside the mooncell and can baleet things Alan doesn't want around. I also imagine Shinji might be able to resist it with Truth memes as origin forms were enough in CCC.
Lets just leave out 8 bowls of sake for Orochi and see if that does anything
>>4698088We have the wrong greek witch for cursed edibles
>>4698088Although, Gil may have something in his vault, provided he wants to actually listen to us and share such a treasure
Regardless of whether or not we can contact Alan, do you think he'll care that Orochi's going to eat the world?He might see it as a viable way to stop Manaka, and I doubt an avatar of Nyarlathotep cares much about the fate of Earth.
>>4698114He's a lot like BB in that if there's no humans left to bully he'll have to find some new entertainment. He could have deleted the planet if he wanted to stop Manaka but he likes his toys
What if we try to free Shuten and have her convince Orochi not to end the world?
Looks like asking Betty to summon something to help might be pretty great idea afterall.There ought to be something which is anathema to the being that Orochi is right now.>>4697966It was really nice.
>>4698228Any kind of attack that is anti-divine, anti-dragon, some kind of blood destroying attack, or able to -kill something permanently by attacking a specific weakpoint- might do the trick. Boy, if only we had something like that.
>>4698233Shiki could probably kill it properly, but he has to avoid the snek aids unless he suddenly picks up archery alongside his buffed MOEDP.>>4698228We could feed it a bioweapon style of familiar that causes total cell death made through Betty's powers?
any ideas to defeat Orochi in none lethal ways? He was defeated in legend through getting him drunk
>>4698244He was only calmed through booze, still took Susanoo wailing on him with his sword to kill him while he was passed out. The Totsuka-no-Tsurugi which Susanoo used is housed right here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isonokami_Shrine which could be yoinked and used in conjunction with some Truthed wine or with some liqour donated by Gil.
>>4698244We could, possibly, craft a Truth liquor that's specifically embued with the power to get ANYTHING absolutely sloshed out of their brains. Japanese divine spirits and onis just seem to completely fall for the ol' drunken ambush tactics all the time. Must be a god/demon thing.
>>4698233Shiki is great, sure. But the problem of facing him in melee still remains.And now he is even more dangerous.>>4698242Orochi received ritual sacrifices, right? It we were to throw him something like that alongside Truth liquor he might be willing to consume it in his arrogance.
>>4698270Yeah, it looks like WhatIs based his Eater of Gods skill on the daughters offered up to him as ritual sacrifices. In legend he ate seven before Susanoo stepped in and saved the eighth by killing it.We could use a Shinji puppet loaded with Truthed superaids or superbooze? I do think the possibility of augmenting the Hydra poison on Avenger's arrows with a sleeping or intoxication effect may be effective as its essentially the same thing, just a bit more forceful than baiting him into consuming the poison. Only risk there is does the Hydra count as a snake, and therefore is subservient to Orochi including the poison effect. So maybe neutral booze is best?Then, once its passed out bap Orochi with Erosion and Rule Breaker. If separating him from his host does nothing then he can be nuked by some combination of >Herc (Bravery pushes him through the required willpower check if he is the divine variant) if he has Nine Lives >EMIYA and Shirou with anti dragon BPs such as Ascalon or even traced/the actual Totsuka-no-Tsurugi or a heal blocker like Harpe given to someone like SHIKI who won't die when killed. SHIKI isn't divine, but I'm unsure if the Orochi could eat him and get anything out of it.>Artoria and Morud swordbeam>potentially the jew poking stick from Ciel>loli deletion breath attack>Gil and Karna nukes who would pass the required willpower checks as they're fearless chads who don't afraid of anything.There's a lot of options.
>>4698288and of course Shiki could just kill it dead if we do manage to knock it unconscious. He can be buffed by several casters and maybe even have Morgan use hero maker to give him a protective skill like disengage or even we could offer him our own blessing of dragons consensually?
>>4698288I would have preferred a booze/fake sacrifice trap if it was just Orochi, but I doubt that we could pull it off without the Zolgenbrain realizing somethings up.That said, alleged intelligence never seemed to stop that kind of thing from working in Japanese mythology, so he might still be conceptually predisposed to falling for it.There's also the fact that Ochi is a beast, and might go for it even if he thought it was fishy.A lot of the difficulty here comes from him having the overwhelming power of a monster paired with the intelligence and finesse of a legendary magus.
>>4698309Erosion/Rule Breaker might take out the zolgenbrain so Orochi itself would fall for the honeypot?
How about this plan:Make him drunk by abusing his legend.Trick him into eating space aids summon. It should fuck him on conceptual level since he has Arcs power now.Use that opening to make Sasaki cut him down again.Make Shiki kill every single part of Orochi before he can reform and be a threat again.If it fails use brute force, Sakura or try to summon Scathatch from her jail because she is geared againts such targets as Orochi.If that fails Slash Emperor EMIYA.We also have option to fully fix Kiritsugu to abise his time magic.
>>4698336To add to this, if he eats one of Betty's familiars and integrates it into his saint graph not only would it fuck with his stolen arc powers, but it might provide a link to him through our CS as he is still a servant, further buffed by truth. When Avenger herc in f/sf used Reincarnation Pandora to yoink From Hell and with it, a good chunk of Jack's saint graph and add it to his own, Flat was able to dab on herc a bit using his link with Jack to run a damaging CS through herc who had taken on part of Jack's saint graph.
>>4698336Oh and if all else fails and Sasaki dies somehow, Gil doesn't want to be our jannie and Orochi manages to eat Manaka we have the final failsafe of having Ayaka summon APEX to just delete both major bosses simultaneously with a max powered 13 seals released Excalibur.
>>4698372https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Restraints_of_the_Round_Table As long as he doesn't eat more than 51% of Arc or Lugh etc. he can't qualify as an elemental, so it would proc all 13 seals. gg ez
>>4698372>"Betty, by the power of my command spell I order you to use your NP!"
>>4698250Speaking of this specific sword. If we can get it by stealing or making Shirou recreate it and give it to Sasaki it will be a massive boon. Using snake slayer versus snake.
>>4698461No one has been allowed to look at it besides the monks that guard it, so it'll have to be stolen and repaired or have Shirou/EMIYA come with and view it to project it. It broke when Susanoo tried to cleave the body section/tail of the 4th head of Orochi and accidentally smashed it against the Kusanagi that was hidden inside the snek piñata.
>>4698470Speaking of the Kusanagi, in Fate/ lore there's apparently one for each of it's names, so I wonder how WhatIs will treat whatever is inside Orochi, and if he'll be enough of a madman to have Orochi regurgitate it and use it himself in human form for peak kino.https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Divine_Sword
Speaking of Sasaki being somewhat friendly with yet unknown Master. Could he be Servant of Kuzuki? Afterall Kuzuki is second person that Shinji can call his teacher.>>4698472>he'll be enough of a madman to have Orochi regurgitate it and use it himself in human form for peak kino.Imagine he sees Shirou or EMIYA going UBW and goes "hey I can do it too now".
>>4697908For our immediate moves I propose:>Send Ciel an SMS. We're at Rin's house, she should call us as soon as she's free. Emergency, Beast.>Call Sakura. Explain the gist of the situation. Tell Saber to step on it, she did nifty things with that motorcycle that one time. We'll deal with the fines later, we have lawyers for that (we do have lawyers, right?)I don't think we should teleport people from the chopper, we sent them with Sakura for her protection and that hasn't changed. Except for Touko, as I'll explain later. And I'd prefer to keep Alitheia away from Orochi, she's weaker, clumsier and less experienced in battle than him. I don't want to see our daughter vored.>Have Betty use her flying bugs to locate and track Orochi.I'm pretty sure Zouken could tell we scried on him. Orochi will as well.>Call SHIKI. Have him crash the date and explain that we need the King of Heroes to help us against the Beast.Gilgamesh will jump at the chance to show off in front of his girl.>Scry on Rin and Illya, see if they are done yet.If they're not done we should call them. Rin won't answer for sure. Did we ever get around to giving Illya a phone? Or do we have Shiki's number?>Have our Casters, along with Touko, study Zouken's Summoning Circle and try to determine weaknesses. Physically if Betty's bugs have located Orochi and we think it's safe, by scrying if we're not sure where he is. We don't want him to get the jump on them.I considered calling and teleporting Miyako as well, but I don't know if Sun Wukong will be able to contribute meaningfully. Does anyone else know his abilities and thinks we could use him?Also, we should start correcting Tamamo every time she calls us husband. We need to turn this into a reflex and a running gag by the time Sakura gets here, or there will be blood.
>>4698475I think most everyone from Japanese history and myth will take the side of random humans when given the choice between the Orochi of all things. But I don't think it'd be Kuzuki as he isn't a mage, he originally saved Medea by chance and took her to the temple where she was able to tap into the powerful ambient mana and the leylines. Although we never did really check up on him after Medea teleported the temple inhabitants out to safety before Manaka nigged over half the faction at the time.>>4698476Hadn't thought of the eldritch bugs to keep tabs on snek, good input senpai. Do we have Ciel's number/does she actually have a phone? She seemed to like communicating with obscure notes attached to black keys placed around town.
>>4698478Good question. I'd assumed she did, and we had, but now I'm not sure at all. Guess we'll have to wait for WhatIs to wake up and confirm.Also, I remembered one more thing:>Call Waver. He's about to walk in an absolute shitshow, he, and Gray, should be prepared.
>>4698478Might be worth checking on him if we has time latter.I am hoping for him to show up since WhatIs might give us a scene where Kuzuki fights Saber Alter.
>>4698336If we're going eldritch aids, have Betty summon the Color Out of Space and mix it in with the superboozeThat'll get you nice and fucked up rq
>>4698485If we mix something like that we should save a bottle as a welcome back gift to Shuten and tell her we killed her dad with it for yet another yandere
>>4698487I wish Shuten was with us right now.
>>4698488Betrayal risk too high while her former master and now incarnated Orochi is in play. She might think Zouken wasn't a pathetic simp after seeing him go this far.
>>4698489Zouken essentialy killed himself to summon Orochi to deal with his problems, she's still see him as pathetic. And does she even like her father?
>>4698493Oddly she doesn't really talk much about her past, its Ibaraki who extolls Shuten's origins. Shuten herself is too busy cooming and boozing. But she does wake up the curse in Chiyome in Shimousa and talks up being the child of the orochi while doing so.
>>4698494From what you're saying, I think she'd jump at the chance to fight him and prove once and for all that she's not weak compared to him. If nothing else, him eating the world will mean no more cooming and boozing for her.Shame we'll never know for sure.
>>4698494Did Shinji get Isekaied before Ibuki-Douji got revealed?
>>4698502Yep, I actually asked this specifically a few threads ago. The cutoff is July? 2020. WhatIs will specify but it's from when the quest started that new meta knowledge ends. Kinda why I'm only quoting actual history, but it seems a lot of Orochi's stats have been based on Ibuki but ranked up a bit.
So we used Roa's connection to the Root to erase him from reality and we also used Shiki's to touch Root again. And Orochi now also plays role of tapeworm after he started leeching from Arc? Could it be possible to reach through Arc to stolen parts of her power in a much more mortal and not perpetual Orochi and just take it back?
>>4698503Interesting, so up to Olympus. At least he got to see Top Lad Wodime
>>4698506Shinji canonically knows Kintoki's mecha is dormant somewhere in the ocean right this moment
>>4698506I'm almost disappointed we can't clown all over the singularities and lostbelts.If we ever get the chance I'm wondering which of our allies would be the most fun for each one.King Mo for Camelot and Sakura for Babylon would be fun.Shirou and Saber together for Camelot would also be fun.
Honestly we should be happy that its only the Orochi we're dealing with here and not a Douman with prep time. Shinji doesn't know shit about him as Shimousa is all he was working with
>>4698510Shinji canonically seen Tsukihime anime. And was waiting for Tsukihime remake.Which was not properly announced at that time I think.
>>4698513I think Zorochi is a way worse threat than Doughman.We keep getting japed.
>>4698517Douman can't be properly killed without Pepe cutting him off from the cycle of reincarnation by force enlightening him. He's like Roa on steroids who actively summons, buffs and also captures servants and gods alike to use as his toys. Has shikigami spies everywhere, actively uses powerful remote curses etc. he'd be like fighting a proper player rather than a boss mob with high specs and skills.
>>4698519Just hit him with Longinus or the Seventh Holy Scripture.Fucking easy.He'd go down like a bitch if he were here.
>>4698520Shinji doesn't have the meta knowledge to know that he's reincarnating though. He'd recognise Nanako as a threat and throw a few gods at it. But ye, he does have a hard check available. He'd be able to predate upon and assimilate allies just like Orochi but with a lot more tact and autonomous movement rather than a really big and obvious giant beast
>>4698523You're forgetting Orochi has all of Zolgen's magecraft knowledge and is apparently just as tactically minded.Zouken as an old man japed basically the entire war and only got btfo when Sakura became too independent. Also against an opponent that doesn't die we can just have Alan or BBhotep deal with them.Pretty sure CCC overwrites immortality. Also didn't Douman fail to become a Beast?Zolgen/Orochi is well on his way to becoming a true Beast, it looks like.Basically, I can't see Douman as as much of a threat to the now genius snake god casually making A+++ rank Anti-Mountain attacks.
>>4698512Fuyuki: King MoOrleans: Alitheia or MedeaRome: our nigga HeraclesOkeanos: Medea or Rider or Alcides again. London: King Mo again. Maybe Arc, Alitheia or Sakura to kill Solomon early.America: Cu if we ever get him back. Alternatively Ayaka so she can out-beauty Medb.Camelot: Mordred, Morgan or the newlyweds.Babylon: Sakura or Gilgamesh.The best allies.
>>4698525Neither Douman or snek can become a true Beast as they don't love humanity. Its explicitly why Douman failed to ascend in LB 5.5. I think I perceive snek as the lesser threat as he's a bigger target that's more likely to rely on brute force than a sneaky fucker who can and will curse and eat allies from the shadows and snowball too far before you know who is causing problems.Orochi has come out of the gate swinging hard and fast so its much easier to not just recognise the threat asap but also focus efforts on him and even get aid from others like Gil etc. before he snowballs
>>4698529Douman or Orochi have no love for humanity. But Zolgen does.Douman can't be the threat he might normally be as there's too many people about who would be able to fuck him.Alan, BBhotep, the Casters, Gil, Manaka, Memelin.You just can't work from the shadows in this sort of scenario unless all you do is hide like Zouken
>>4698528Man, King Mo vs the Lion King would be kino.
>>4698550>King Mo vs the Lion King My first thought was about picrel.
>>4698552The mightiest Saber of all.I just really want to see King Mordred cut a path through the Knights of the Round.
>>4698562Imagine King Mordred meeting normal Mordred.
>>4698580They'd probably get into a fight that normal Mordred would have no possible way of winning.
>>4698581Wouldn't young Mordred be inspired after seeing that she succeeds in the future and is worthy to be the King?
>>4698585Camelot Mordred isn't young Mordred.She's a summoned Mordred guiltripped into serving the Lion Cunt.
>>4698590Oh. Then yeah, it wouldn't end well.
>>4698591Alternatively if we just took Arturia instead all of the knights would defect.
>>4698593So we should take both, for maximum efficiency.
>>4698593>>4698596Just flirt with Lion King.
>>4698599I don't know if that would work.I think we'd need Shirou to seduce her instead.It's not cheating if it's a parallel version of somebody.
>>4698602Not sure he is into that since he has best possible Saber at home.
Do you think Saber would accept Saber Alter as Shirou's second wife?
>>4698607Every version of Saber deserves their perfect husbando.
>>4698607We'll just tell him to lie back and think of England.
>>4698612He'd have to be gay not to want big booba seiba.Even if Rhongo has dangerous autism.
>>4698611Brave words, anon. How many local Saber are you willing to take in?
>>4698609She won't, because Morgan is going to be his second wife.
>>4698618Well food costs wont be an issues after we teach him this one simple trick to end the world economy!Bankers hate him!
>>4698621>MorganWhy do you hate Saber?
>>4698625We should set EMIYA up with Morgan and Rin.
>>4698627Nah, EMIYA is gonna get Rin and Ciel
>>4698627EMIYA just called looks like he will have sleep this week at work too.
>>4698627>morgan ruins the tohsaka family for the second time in divorce court
>>4698630>>4698631EMIYA is a big boy, he can handle two strong willed women.>>4698629Screw it why not Ciel too?
Good morning, will call and start writing in forty minutes.
Grandpa Zolgen came to solve the Shinjibowl by cutting the list shorter. True hero of the story right there. Thanks Snek-bug.
>>4698617I find it funny that the alter version of lancer artoria is somehow better than Rhongo. She's the best, other than the original of course.
>>4698641WhatIs, does Ciel have a phone and do we have the number?
>>4698648No.Ciel has no friends and received her orders directly from the Church.
>>4697908>Call Sakura. Explain the gist of the situation. Tell Saber to step on it, she did nifty things with that motorcycle that one time. We'll deal with the fines later, we have lawyers for that (we do have lawyers, right?)Reposting the first part of my plan that hasn't been nixed from >>4697908>>4698650Damn. I'd say we messed up her school life, but I don't think it would have been that much better.
>>4698655I fucked up, I meant reposting from >>4698476
>>4698645We can always experiment of Saber Alter. For all we know she could be blank state.Maybe Alan will helps us out here if we take BBhotep (maid) off him.
>>4698696Just tell Alan and BBhotep maid to have sex already
>>4698696That reminds me, we're planing on keeping the servants around, so are Saber and the others going to age?Will she grow into her Lancer body with enough time?
>>4698712depends, if they have a physical body, they can stick around
>>4698710>"Nyarly, buddy, you should go and masturbate already. Cmon it is just selfcest, nothing big.">>4698712I think it depends on how we are going to go about it.But I am not so sure that Saber and Mordred will age no matter what we do.
>>4698712Technically, neither Saber or Shirou will be able to age seeing as Shirou's Traced Avalon is activated thanks to Saber.
>>4698721Same goes for Mordred and her paradoxes, right?
>>4698721That's concerning. So what, they're immortal? Can it be turned off?
>>4698728Well, sure, but good luck getting Saber to throw Avalon away again.It's not like the two of them wouldn't have eternal life with each other in the actual realm of Avalon anyway though, and if they get bored of living they can always both just go there.
>>4698721Good. Now we need to find a way to make everyone else immortal and unaging as well. (Except for our daughters, they should grow up first).
>>4698735If divine entities exist in the Fate universe, then at least one sort of afterlife should exist for humans, which also means that reincarnation exists, which means immortality really isn't a horrible thing after all!
>>4698740What about the immortal beings in canon that explicitly want to die?
>>4698749Be the change you want to see happen, anon.
"No, we'll leave Ciel for now, instead, I think we ought to focus on Rin and Illya. She ought to be finished with Kirei now." With that in mind, you instead focus on Rin with the scrying orb, and you find yourself thinking that this thing truly is a wondrous invention. It's just about the perfect reminder that Medea is capable of far more than just shooting lasers and teleporting people. She is after all at a level of magecraft that only perhaps ten people in all of history could hope to be at, and two of those are Grand Casters!You soon find yourself looking at the scene. Kirei Kotomine lays dead before Rin. The huge blade of the Kaleidosword has been planted into the center of his chest, and given him a wound that he could not possibly hope to survive. "Feeling better after that, Rin?" Archer has his arms crossed as he looks at Rin and the body of the dead priest with a neutral expression."A little bit, yeah." Rin looks at Kirei's corpse before giving it a kick to make sure that the bastard is really dead, the girl is no longer dressed as a magical girl, so you assume that she must've just decided she didn't need to be Kaleido-Ruby any longer. "I wasn't aware you could create a sword with the ability to make people tell the truth, Archer!" She doesn't seem to have any sort of remorse or regret about what she did, and you can only imagine that Kirei must've been forced to tell the complete truth to Rin. So why should she mourn such a garbage example of a human being? "It's just another usage of Fragarach. The McRemitz only have access to the offensive 'Answerer' aspect of the blade through their bloodline, but the original sword is capable of more than just that. With the blade at your throat, lying becomes a complete impossibility, and you are forced to not only answer, but answer any question asked of you truthfully." Archer gives Rin a brief lesson on some of the capabilities of just one of his swords. When it comes to utility, Archer and Gilgamesh may be some of the only Servants that are greater than Medea is. Their effectively unlimited repertoire of Noble Phantasms giving them so much utility that there's probably not much that the two of them can't do with their weapons outside of fights. "Now, I believe that we're about ready to go back to everyone else. I'm sorry that the rest of you had to see this." Archer apologizes to the rest of your allies with Rin, clearly not comfortable with everyone else watching this happen.
"Oh, don't worry about it, she was completely justified in killing him." Aoko reassures Archer that she's completely fine with the rather brutal looking execution of the priest, Archer must've managed to make Kirei own up to everything, including the basement full of kids that Archer knew of from his past experiences in life, not to mention the whole father murdering thing. It's very clear that the only thing that the rest of your allies feel towards the dead priest laying on the floor is a sense of justice being dealt. When even Aoko Aozaki herself has decided that you don't deserve to live, you've probably managed to screw up big time. Shiki doesn't seem to care much either, and Illya especially doesn't care about Kirei. Avenger just has his arms crossed and his eyes closed, apparently bored by the entire situation.It certainly appears that with their business with Kirei concluded, they are all prepared to head back, so you decide to have Caster teleport you over to them. "Caster, send me to Rin and the rest of them, I need to tell them what's happening and have them teleport back with me, but first..." You allow the power of Magical Amethyst to retreat back into Amethyst, and feel the unlimited supply of energy disappear. You didn't really want to have to give up on the power just yet, but you didn't feel like remaining in the form of a magical boy for longer than was necessary was a good idea. After all, channeling as much power as you were using does seem to have had something of a detrimental effect on Amethyst, who seems to be struggling to keep afloat. It wouldn't serve you very well at all if you managed to break the Mystic Code, especially not when you're going to need this form again for the next time you fight Orochi. Now that Amethyst has managed to figure out how to transform you into this form without turning you into a girl, there's not going to be any trouble in the future, you think. After all, if all she has to do is run the same program that she used last time, then it would be impossible to accidentally end up turning you into a girl again... right? Also, you have no idea whether the Kaleidostar would mess with Medea's teleportation magic as a passive defense either, and you don't want to risk it.Still, the one big benefit of returning to your normal self after spending time as Magical Amethyst is that your clothing is still in pristine condition! Caster looks at you for a few moments now that you've ceased using the Mystic Code before she thrusts her staff outwards and speaks that word of power that is becoming... very very familiar to your ears now. "Tροψα!"
You appear in front of Rin, Archer and the rest of your allies. "Everyone, grab on to me. We've run into... well, a pretty huge emergency." You don't elaborate on the details any further than that, and instead just have everyone make sure they are either touching you or touching somebody touching you before you give the OK to Medea through your telepathic link. It feels kind of disrespectful to just leave Kirei's corpse laying in the middle of the room with a gaping sword wound in his chest... Nah, screw him, he totally deserved it. Asshole. Ciel can deal with it later on, she'll understand... or she'll probably just get Karna to incinerate the body or something. Either way, you couldn't care less about Kirei Kotomine now that he's dead.You soon find yourself back in Rin's bedroom with the rest of your passengers, and Rin kind of looks a little outraged that you'd just decide to bring everyone to her room, but clearly notices the grave expressions on everyone else in the room already and holds her tongue instead. "So... what's going on? What's the big emergency? You can't have run into that much trouble killing Zouken, could you?" Rin sounds incredulous to the idea that there's some huge emergency at all, so as you pull out your phone to call Shirou, you give her a brief rundown."Zouken summoned the Divine Spirit of Orochi into himself before we could stop him, he proceeded to pursue us to the Einzbern Castle where we requested the assistance of Tamamo here to stop him, and we planned to trapped him in a binding spell formed by the three strongest spells of each of the three Casters, yet this... failed, and Orochi broke out, then... Well, things went from bad to worse, as he managed to consume a piece of Arcueid and siphon off half of her powers... becoming." You sigh, you know that Archer isn't going to be pleased by the news you're about to deliver. "Becoming a beast." You leave that on that note as you begin to dial Shirou, who thankfully doesn't leave you waiting very long before he picks up. You can hear the noise of the helicopter as he answers.
"Shinji? What's up? Were you the one who was responsible for Arcueid disappearing earlier?" Shirou's voice is just a little bit concerned still about suddenly seeing one of the people in the helicopter disappear without a trace, but it's not like Caster's magic doesn't have a tell to it. Namely the overabundance of purple light."I was, Shirou, and now I need...">"...to tell you to have everyone except yourself, Sakura and Saber to hold hands, I'm going to teleport them all, it's an emergency." While you would prefer to have everyone come, this is the simplest solution that is most likely to actually work.>"...you to set the helicopter down. I'm going to teleport everyone except Alítheia and Sakura to me, but first make sure that Alítheia is OK with flying Sakura back to Fuyuki." It might be a little risky when it comes to exposing magic to the world by having a damn dragon fly through the skies, but you can't worry about that now!>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!>"...you to set the Helicopter down, I'm going to try to use Magical Amethyst's control over the Second True Magic to teleport you all here, Helicopter and all." You don't need to be Kaleido-Amethyst to have Amethyst use her Warp function, and with two specific sets of coordinates, she shouldn't have any problems with bringing them all here. With any luck, Sakura's magic immunity doesn't extend to True Magic.>Write-in...
>>4698780>>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!Safest option. I don't like leaving Sakura with so little protection, exposing magic or trusting Amethyst again. We won bigly last time we gambled with her yes, but that's how get blown out at a casino.
>>4698780>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!No use taking chances.
>>4698780Will use of Amethyst require vote?
>>4698780>>"...you to set the helicopter down. I'm going to teleport everyone except Alítheia and Sakura to me, but first make sure that Alítheia is OK with flying Sakura back to Fuyuki." It might be a little risky when it comes to exposing magic to the world by having a damn dragon fly through the skies, but you can't worry about that now!
>>4698780>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!I really don't wanna chance it with true magic or teleporting everyone, most protecc Sakura
>>4698802Yes, if you want to use Amethyst, you will need to vote for it.
>>4698802Fuck. I wanted to write dice.
>>4698807i think he might roll
>>4698808There would not be.
>>4698780>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!
>>4698780>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!>>4698810>>4698816Brain jammed for a second. Thanks.I will go the safe option then.
Calling in forty.
>>4698780>>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!
>>4698780>>>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!
>>4698780>"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" With Saber's Riding skill, she should be able to maybe double the speed of the helicopter, and she might just get back to Fuyuki in time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA
So is it possible to kill Orochi using truth to add the concept of beat poison to something?He does to alcohol, can that be another possible way to kill him?
>>4698907It worked on his daughter, but it the circumstances were very different.
>>4698913What about enchanting a sword with a concept capable of sealing or killing him?maybe find a way to add a concept toma sealing spell to capture his soul.
>>4698907there's a difference, Shuten was killed by poison in life so she has a natural weakness to it, Orochi would have a natural weakness to alcohol, he straight up might not be able to control himself around it since that's how his legend went
>>4698916Gonna be tough to use it now he's all big and monstery, but I agree it should work.>>4698927>"Do you distill some eight-fold refined liquor. Also make a fence round about, in that fence make eight gates, at each gate tie [together] eight platforms, on each platform put a liquor-vat, and into each vat pour the eight-fold refined liquor, and wait." So as they waited after having thus prepared everything in accordance with his bidding, the eight-forked serpent came truly as [the old man] had said, and immediately dipped a head into each vat, and drank the liquor. Thereupon it was intoxicated with drinking, and all [the heads] lay down and sleptWell, I guess it's worth a try, but let's not put all our eggs in that basket.
>>4698933We should probably take Zouken and the demon in account. We don't know what effects theyay have. So do we find ways to eliminate those threats first.Maybe make something to steal back the powers he took while we are at it.Does he have a connection to exploit now that he stole her powers. Would that work as a backdoor.
>>4698948>Does he have a connection to exploit now that he stole her powers. Would that work as a backdoor.That's something worth investigating. It'd be ideal if we can fuck him up at a distance. Probably after we finish all other preparations though, it has a chance to make him rampage.
"...Saber to push that damn helicopter to beyond its limits. I need you here ASAP!" You can't risk leaving Sakura by herself, and if Saber pushes things, then the helicopter she's using should get way faster. You don't know why you're so worried about something possibly happening to Sakura, but with Orochi already having become a Beast, you don't trust things not to get far worse with Sakura's situation. After all, if you were to leave her alone, what if somebody ambushed her and attempted to draw out Tiamat from her? It's not particularly likely to actually happen, but then again, never was Zouken summoning Orochi and becoming a Beast. Once again, it feels like you managed to get overconfident, and the world itself seems to have conspired against you to knock you off your pedestal. At least you have faith that it isn't Alaya behind all this though. The lack of any counter guardian deployment is both concerning and reassuring. It must mean that Alaya still has faith in your ability to handle the situation, you hope."Why? What's going on over there?" Shirou sounds concerned that you're so panicked, and as nice as it is that he's concerned, you don't need his concern right now, you need him and his Servant, and everyone else to hurry up and show up. Excalibur might technically be a Divine Construct, but seeing as it was forged by fairies and not gods, it likely isn't going to be weakened by Orochi's nega-skill. Well, you hope, at least. "Well, things went from bad to worse and it turns out my asshole of a grandfather decided to be more of a pain than I had ever imagined he could be! I'll tell you everything when you get here, so just hurry up alright?!" You can't afford to spend time explaining things to Shirou right now, especially when you don't know just how long it's going to be until he arrives. You hang up on Shirou, and you feel a little bad about being so rude to the boy, but you can't really help it. You always tend to get a little bit on edge when things start failing to go to plan, and the fact that there is currently a Beast lurking somewhere in the forests of Fuyuki is more than enough to get you on edge. Especially with the added knowledge that the beast will have a personal vendetta against you.
"Everyone, I believe it's about time that we came up with a plan to kill a god." You say to your gathered allies, without a hint of sarcasm, despite how ridiculous the statement is. Oddly, Avenger seems to be smirking, despite his clear distaste for Tamamo, he doesn't seem to be all that bothered by the idea of taking on a Beast like Orochi, and you kind of really want to ask him why he's so confident. In fact, there are a few questions you feel like you might be able to get answered by your allies, seeing as there's such a collectively vast pool of knowledge here.>"Does anybody know if Yamata-no-Orochi has any weaknesses we can exploit to kill him with?" You know that he's weak to alcohol, but the cunning of Zolgen is going to prevent him from falling to a trick like that.>"Avenger, would you mind telling us all about what your capabilities are?" You've been waiting far too long to find out at this point.>"Archer, can you trace the sword that originally slew Yamata-no-Orochi, or should we go and retrieve it from the shrine it is kept within?">"Tamamo, Medea, Morgan. Do you have any suggestions of magical means we could use to defeat Orochi?">"Rin. Do you think that working together, our mystic codes could warp Orochi into space?">"Betty, have you figured out any of your other powers yet?">"Does anybody have any bright ideas?">Write-in...
>>4699012>"Before anything else, Betty, can you use your spy bugs to locate Orochi? We need to know where he is and how much time we have to prepare.">"Tamamo, Medea, Morgan. Do you have any suggestions of magical means we could use to defeat Orochi?">"And would it help if you studied the circle Zouken used to summon him?">"Avenger, would you mind telling us all about what your capabilities are?" You've been waiting far too long to find out at this point.>"Archer, can you trace the sword that originally slew Yamata-no-Orochi, or should we go and retrieve it from the shrine it is kept within?">"Rin. Do you think that working together, our mystic codes could warp Orochi into space?">"Betty, have you figured out any of your other powers yet?">"Does anybody have any bright ideas?"In descending order of importance, depending on if Betty can locate him and give us an estimate of the time we have left.
do you think we can bait him with Illya? Zolgen was completely infatuated with her ancestor
>>4699031It's Orochi who's in charge in there, I doubt it would work.
>>4699036the vessel can still have some influence on the servant. Ishtar chills out when she takes over Rin, Muramasa has feelings for Saber because of Shirou's influence.
>>4699042Yeah, but Zouken didn't feel all that strongly about Illya before he got himself possessed. What makes you think it'd be enough to influence him now?
>>4699012>>"Avenger, would you mind telling us all about what your capabilities are?" You've been waiting far too long to find out at this point.>>"Archer, can you trace the sword that originally slew Yamata-no-Orochi, or should we go and retrieve it from the shrine it is kept within?">>"Tamamo, Medea, Morgan. Do you have any suggestions of magical means we could use to defeat Orochi?"
>>4699046i think he's only reminded of her if Illya wears the Dress of Heaven
Forty minutes till call.
>>4699012>Start by asking Casters and Betty their opinion on using his legend against him with alcohol or fake sacrifice gift filled with all possible debuffs made by trio of Casters and Betty and her summons>Ask Arcueid how she is feeling and if it is possible to use connection between her and her stolen power to force Orochi to vomit it back or how would possible interaction with powers of Outer Gods affect Orochi now that he has some of her powers>Ask Rin, Archer, Avenger and Mordred if they think our combined efforts (Truth, Second Magic, Anti-Dragon Sword Spam, Sword beams and whatever Avenger has) in direct fight could put Orochi out of commission for long enough for Shiki to attempt kill every part of Orochi with Mystic Eyes of Death PerceptionProbably all major directions from earlier discussion in the thread we can pursue and correct allies to those direct questions too. Could have missed one or two.Should we propose to try and get Scáthach too? If we can it will be easy to get her to help and she is good match against Orochi.
>>4699012>>"Avenger, would you mind telling us all about what your capabilities are?" You've been waiting far too long to find out at this point.>>"Archer, can you trace the sword that originally slew Yamata-no-Orochi, or should we go and retrieve it from the shrine it is kept within?"Then depending on their answers and odds of success of brute forcing through Orochi we can conduct a superbooze plan using Betty's familiars and some cursed wine.If all else fails, spaceyeet time.
>>4699063actually this covers more so swapping to >>4699055But I do think its work bringing up the possibly of the OG sword Susanoo used seeing as it physically exists and can be yoinked
>>4699059>>4699065>>4699067So do you guys support also bringing up Scáthach idea too? I am personally for it since if we were to ever fully succed and save the world she will just be stuck in her home for eternity. And we already promised same thing to Ciel that Scáthach wants.>OG sword Susanoo usedI think it is natural topic for this conversation with Archer. Just like bringing up other sword like Ascalon. That anon who wanted to summon saint Georgios was really ahead of us all.
>>4699074Sure why not, seeing as Zouken already has a divine summoning circle set up it might be worth fiddling with it and seeing if we can use it for a new summon or destabilise his current form.I was actually the person shilling George as well
>>4699074I am all for it the problem is how do we bring her over? Can medea just teleport her to us? I am a bit unclear on some parts of her all i know is she can't be summoned normally.
>>4699081We have blessed Medea and Morgan who managed to summon herself. Plus Truth and Second Magic.Since she is alive and should be just stuck in the Land of Shadows right now and we multiple times done some really impressive feats with teleportations like breaking into Manakas jail or reaching other side of the planet to snatch Kiritsugu. I think it looks plausible to try and get to her.
>>4699081She's Outside the World.Not on the Reverse Side of the World.But in a dimension that is somewhat close to the Root itself, similarly to the Throne of Heroes as I understand it, yet unlike the Throne, the Land of Shadows is not a place that is meant to have things summoned from it.Summoning her would require a whole lot of effort.
"Medea, Tamamo, Morgan, Betty." You call out to the four magecraft wielding Servants... well, Betty obviously doesn't use magecraft, but that's really besides the point. "I've got a few questions. Namely, Yamata-no-Orochi in the tale was tricked into drinking himself into a stupor so Susanoo could butcher him. Now, I doubt that tricking him is going to be so simple, but I'm thinking of something... Morgan, do you think that you can copy Divinity onto another with your Hero Creation skill?""Divinity? No. It's not possible for me to do something like that. It might be possible if I were creating something from scratch and I had divine blood on hand, but that would take months of time to come to fruition, divinity is something that is ingrained into a being at the point of their birth, or at the very least something that requires the authority of a God to grant to a human." Morgan gives you an answer that is somewhat disappointing, but you don't allow that to dishearten you."Then... would it be possible to imbue divinity onto a new being at the moment of their creation?" If this works, then you'll be able to create the ultimate trap for Orochi! If you can get him to devour something specifically designed to damage his body for consuming it due to it having divinity, you'll be able to weaken him!"Potentially...? Where... Where are you heading with this?" Morgan doesn't sound entirely certain that she knows what you're getting at here, but that's not really a surprise, she doesn't know much of Betty's abilities, after all. Neither do you, when it comes down to it."Betty. Betty has a power that I believe goes beyond Skills and Noble Phantasms. She has the capability to create life with very few restrictions as a result of her class, Betty is a Foreigner. Which means that she is very much a non-standard Servant with powers that are... difficult to quantify." Made even more difficult by the girl herself not knowing all that much about her own powers. There are a few raised eyebrows at the admission of Betty's true class, but you don't feel like addressing any concerns they might have about her right now. "If you can infuse a being with divinity as it is created by Betty's abilities, then we might have a shot at poisoning Orochi by infusing the created life with as many poisons and curses possible." "It... could work, I suppose." Morgan admits, and a quick glance at Tamamo and Medea shows that they concur with the assessment of their fellow Caster. Well, that's at least some good news, and something you file away to be done at some point in the immediate future. For now though, you've got some more questions that you need answered.
"Arcueid, how are you feeling?" You ask the annoyed looking True Ancestor, you feel bad for her taking such a wound. Against any other opponent, a wound like the one she was given would've been nothing, but the nature of Orochi has enabled him to consume a good portion of her strength. If you had never bothered to take Arcueid with you against Orochi by teleporting her, this never would've happened! Arcueid sighs. "Angry. I want to tear that snake apart almost as much as I once wanted to tear apart Roa." Oh. Bad sign. "But right now, I understand that I just... can't. He's got half of my power, and while he has it, unless I do something truly drastic I can't defeat him." She sounds immensely frustrated by her failure having such terrible consequences, but she could never have known something like this was going to happen."Alone." You correct Arcueid, and she looks at you in surprise. "You can't defeat him alone. But that's not a problem, we were always going to work together to defeat threats Orochi, weren't we?" You reassure Arcueid that even if she's lost half of her maximum power, hope should not be lost. "His theft of your power may however provide us an opportunity. You've reacted... poorly to the existence of Betty's creations in the past, and I believe that might have something to do with them being unearthly creations imposed into forms that are understandable by humans and the concepts of this world." You... have no idea where you just pulled that knowledge from, you certainly don't remember being told that by anybody, yet you said it regardless. How odd, however, wherever you just pulled that knowledge from, it's given you the clarity you need to continue theorizing. "Now, if this is the case, and you, as an avatar of the planet through being an elemental are naturally opposed to Betty's Creations, the effect should not only be similar on a Divine Spirit like Orochi who is also an aspect of the planet, but significantly magnified by his theft of your power!" You get a little excited as you realize that Orochi's theft of Arcueid's power may just be his own undoing!"That's... genius!" Arcueid seems to be a little concerned by your casual mention of 'unearthly creations' but in the context of using them to destroy Orochi and returning her power, she doesn't really seem to care all too much. Her worry about the truth behind Betty's abilities that you so casually rattled off supplanted by the happiness of knowing that those very abilities are something that can be used to great effect against Orochi. "Yes... Yes, I believe that such beings should be capable of dealing significant damage to that snake even now that he has become a Beast, perhaps especially now that he has become a Beast!" Arcueid confirms your theory, and you realize that your current plan of poisoning Orochi using one of Betty's familiars as a host may just be one of the best options you have at defeating him!
"Thank you, Arcueid, now, I need to ask a question of every combatant here." You sweep your eyes across the room, looking at everyone still with you before you let out a breath. "Between my powers, Archer's ability to create Anti-Dragon weaponry, Rin's control of the Second True Magic through the Kaleidosword, Aoko's Magic, Whatever Avenger has, and everyone's attacks in general... do you think that we'll be able to keep Orochi locked down long enough for Shiki to find his death point and erase his existence?""Between everyone here? Locking him down long enough is gonna be a real pain in the ass, but we ought to be able to manage it for at least some time, if the schoolboy there has a way to kill him for good, it shouldn't be impossible to give him the opportunity to do so." Mordred gives her opinion on things, and you're inclined to trust her strategic analysis. Her Instinct has proven itself to be tremendously useful in all combat related scenarios."I'm pretty confident that if I got the right opportunity, I'd be able to deal with this god all by myself." Avenger states with no small amount of confidence, and he earns a disapproving stare from Sasaki, who steps forwards. You... almost forgot he was even here. A consequence of having almost no presence, you suppose. Martial arts on Sasaki's level sure are scary, especially now he's been strengthened even further thanks to his class container.
"Now, all these plans are all well and good, but I believe that you're dismissing a possible way of slaying Orochi." Sasaki crosses his arms. "I'm not sure if you're familiar with the tale of the Kusanagi-no-Tachi, but the divine sword hidden in the tail of the Snake God may very well still be there." The smooth swordsman speaks calmly as he gives his analysis. "It should therefore be possible to slay the beast through relying on the existence of the blade, under the concept of 'Orochi is slain and the sword within his tail is removed.' the same should happen in reverse to him, a reversal of causality through the removal of the divine artifact within his body." That... sounds really very complicated, but Sasaki seems to be confident in his idea, at least. You can understand the idea in theory, the idea that because the Kusanagi-no-Tachi was removed from Yamata-no-Orochi's tail when he was slain, that the Kusanagi-no-Tachi is capable of causing the beast to be slain by the act of removing it. Though it sounds like wishful thinking, never mind you'd need to basically gamble on which of Orochi's eight tails the Sword is hidden in and remove it from him. It's tremendously risky!>Go with the plan of trying to have Betty work with the Casters to create a cursed divine lifeform, and then use that to weaken Orochi enough to lock him down so Shiki can kill him.>Go with Sasaki's plan of removing the Kusanagi-no-Tachi from Orochi's tail. It might be a gamble, but if it works, then Orochi will certainly die, and you doubt he'll be able to regenerate from a death like that.>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.>Ask if anyone else has any ideas now that you and Sasaki have both put plans forwards.>Ask Archer about the sword that originally slew Orochi and if he has it in his arsenal.>Put forward the idea of trying to summon somebody who might be useful, your faction certainly has the magical know-how to summon a Servant outside of the Grail System (Write-in specifics.)>Write-in...
>>4699201>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.Let's find that out before we commit. I'm pretty confident about the Betty bait plan otherwise.
We doing kaiju beaky?
>>4699213We doing Cursed Divine Kaiju Beaky. Probably.
>>4699201>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.Shouldn't take too long to get this done first before we settle
>>4699201>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.
Calling in 40.
>>4699201>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.Why so smug Herculad?
>>4699201>>Ask if anyone else has any ideas now that you and Sasaki have both put plans forwards.
>>4699201Go with the plan of trying to have Betty work with the Casters to create a cursed divine lifeform, and then use that to weaken Orochi enough to lock him down so Shiki can kill him.Kaiju Beaky
>>4699201Ask Avenger to clarify first. Shouldn't take too long, herc was incredibly cunning in myth and multi headed snek killing is his specialty, that shouldn't be wasted. If he has access to Reincarnation Pandora he can no sell plenty of future issues too.
>>4699201>Ask Avenger to clarify why he thinks that he can defeat Orochi by himself.cus he already slew ONE hydra. we doing kaiju beaky anyway but i wanna hear him out
>>4699252It just makes sense.If we send in a monster first and it doesn't work, Al can give it a try, but if Al tries and fails then we won't get the chance to set anything else up.
>>4699255Yep. No reason we can't combine plans. We could even have Shiki start slashing while Sasaki digs through the tail and Avenger does whatever it is he wants to do after our bait does its thing.
Still thinking about how QM said we don't have to use brute force to beat Orochi but idk how exactly, it seems we have some of his weaknesses down
>>4699262I want Avenger's statsheet though for future planning
>>4699262Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how this could work. Unless he doesn't count the Betty's Beaky bait plan as brute force?
>>4699268idek if by brute force he means we can take advantage of his weaknesses or he means we don't actually have to end up fighting him at all
>>4699277>or he means we don't actually have to end up fighting him at allThat seems implausible. We did try to talk to him first, like we always do.
>>4699277I think he means defeating him by means other that "everyone does their biggest move and he dies".All this talk about taking down Orochi makes me wonder if CaliCaim operates under the 15 seals system like Excalibur.It would need to to be considered equal to Excalibur, wouldn't it?
>>4699281>CaliCaim operates under the 15 seals system like Excalibur.>It would need to to be considered equal to Excalibur, wouldn't it?Only Excalibur Proto functions under a seal system. Saber's Excalibur doesn't.Instead for her, it is Rhongomyniad that has the seals upon it.There are however certain circumstances where Excalibur can become far more powerful, but it has nothing to do with seals.
>>4699201having kusanagi would be interesting, can't it cut everything or something?
>>4699309It's a sword of destruction and creation that blows shit away and makes rivers.
>>4699369ISP decided I didn't get to exist for an hour.
>>4699372Glad you're OK!
>>4699372They also decided to change my IP I see.Fantastic.No more formatting abilities for me.
What's the order to watch fate in again? I need to catch up
>>4699394just fate? Cause these quest has Tsukihime stuff too
>>4699398Well guess that as well. I think I just did zero. It's been awhile
"Avenger... you sound fairly confident in your ability to defeat Orochi by yourself, so I think that it might be about time you actually fully reveal to us all just who you are, and what you're capable of doing. "You decide that if you're going to succeed here, then everyone needs to reveal what they are capable of doing, Avenger included. You aren't just going to let him keep his identity a secret any longer now. Not when there's so much at risk from Orochi alone."Yes, Avenger, I know you dislike the idea of having to use your identity at all, due to what it links to, but..." Illya tells her Servant in a soft voice that implies that she's not actually giving the man much of a choice in the matter at all, it really is about time you found out what Avenger is capable of. "Alright, alright, I guess there's not much point in trying to hide it anymore." The man frowns, but relents. "I am Alcides. The human half of the hero you might know as Heracles, summoned entirely independent of... that part of myself. As a Servant, I am highly skilled in the slaying of both gods and demigods. When it comes to a many headed draconic beast, I feel like I have quite a bit of experience. This Orochi thing, something tells me that it's not going to deal with Hydra Venom very well. Not to mention..." [Status Updated!]Avenger spends a few minutes going through his capabilities with everyone, and Illya was right, this guy really is a top class Servant. He might not have Reincarnation Pandora like the Alcides corrupted by Grail Mud, but his ultimate Noble Phantasm is definitely something that ought to be able to deal with Orochi quite easily! Though of course, nothing is ever so easy, and the Noble Phantasm does require Alcides to expose himself for quite some time to his opponent in order to actually manifest it."Wow, Avenger, you're... You're pretty powerful." You give an honest review of the power of the man. It's clear that despite Acht not really caring about winning or losing this grail war, they made their Servant for this war as powerful as they possibly could. The fear of Gilgamesh remaining alive was clearly great enough that they went the extra mile for Alcides here. A highly modified class container for an Avenger containing one of the strongest Heroic Spirits out there? You know that as a Berserker, Heracles is powerful, but as an Avenger, the two Servants really can't compare to each other.
"Shinji... what is this teddy bear doing here...? And... why does it keep staring at me?" Illya seems to have found Kiritsugu. Who is currently staring up at the girl with the expressionless eyes of a plush toy. While you are still quite interested in further discussing Alcides' abilities with him, you realize that you are almost certainly going to need to resolve this first. >"It's not important right now, Illya. Just ignore it.">"I'll tell you later, It's important, but it would be... distracting.">"It's Kiritsugu.">"Take a wild guess.">Write-in...
>>4699412Take a wild guess
>>4699410I like the idea that because Alcides is an Avenger, most of his explanation of his abilities was just ranting about how much he hates gods.
>>4699412>"It's Kiritsugu."We promised not to lie to her. And is there any reason to hide it?
>>4699412>>"It's not important right now, Illya. Just ignore it."Kerry will understand
>>4699412>"It's Kiritsugu."No lying to Ilya.
>>4699412>"It's Kiritsugu."Be upfront and don't lie. We made a promise, and we're going to keep it.Tell the two of them to keep each other safe.
>>4699412>"It's Kiritsugu."Uso janai yo!
Holy fuck, Alcides really could solo Orochi. And dragging him to the underworld neatly solves the issue of where does Orochi's soul go after he dies.Okay, new plan: We create Betty's cursed divine beast to bait and weaken Orochi. Alcides drags him to the underworld. Everyone else tanks for him and gives him the time he needs to make this happen.
>>4699442I'd rather not lock him up when he has Arc's power though.Shiki should be able to permakill him anyways.
And before I forget again, we need to call Waver while our casters are busy making our cute little abomination. He's about to walk into an absolute shitshow without warning.
>>4699454At this point I can't remember why Waver wanted to come in the first place.This is probably just because of the scale of the things going on, but this quest has a way of making it feel like years of ingame time have gone by when it's actually been about three hours.
>>4699231If he's not Saber... then is he...Actually, no I'm not gonna spoil it, I secretly want him to appear in the story even though I know it would ruin everything. If he does appear we need to hide the existence of him from the two Sajyou sisters. And the only way we could do that is to make him our third and final servant who will remain in spiritual form most of the time but will come in clutch in certain situations.
>>4699453We're almost certainly able to kill him in amy number of ways, but what happens to his soul then? Does it go to Manaka? To one of thd Lesser Grails? We can't risk either scenario, I think.>>4699460We told him about Iskander Alter. I understand what you're saying about the passage of time, yeah.
>>4699467The dream is to incapacitate him with the conceptually modified Azatoth kaiju and then have Shiki poke him in a Death Point to kill his soul and body simultaneously.We're going to have a lot to explain to Waver when he gets here if all the context he has is that there's a grail war going on and Iskander's there.
>>4699475Does Shiki really soulkill as well? I thought it was just gg no re, which is very different.
>>4699475Oh, and I think we told Waver the basics about Manaka, the end of the world and Moneybills summoning Merlin, but Iskander was when he interrupted and said he's coming over.
>>4699442Alcides will get a massive boost if he's against Orochi, Olympus se Tartarus is basically a last trump card if things are so fucked that we need him to be dragged to the underworld. Avenger is our hardest counter for Orochi and will likely be the distraction as we cut off its tail for that sweet sweet sword. Speaking of swords, Shirou and Archer have the Tsumukari Muramasa which is a recreation of the Kusanagi, but using that sword might mean death
>>4699484The normal thing he does with the lines just cuts things, but if he hits an entity's Death Point it's 'existence' is destroyed.Once a living being is struck in a Death Point, it's being is unraveled irreversibly.This is why Roa could not reincarnate after being killed by Shiki, and why we shouldn't have any problems with regeneration or bodysnatching if we can get Shiki to finish off Orochi.
>>4699492Getting an -admittedly cool- sword as loot is not enough of a reason to gamble with the life of Sakura or Illya or risk giving Manaka a power-up.>>4699501Now this is promising. It has been a while, but I thought Shiki destroyed everything tha bound Roa to this world amd sent him to whatever afterlife might exist. I'll agree that IF we really kills souls and IF Orochi has a death point and IF we can get him close without his squishy insides going outside, then Shiki is a superior solution.Maybe we should get Touko on the phone and talk about what happens to Orochi's soul and Arc's power in either option?
Alcidies has a go directly to jail skill lmao. Based. We should consult our mage allies including Touko to work out if sending snek to hell would leave Arc cucked indefinitely before deciding what to do next with snek.
>>4699540Can we make wormpa vomit up the flesh that he stole from Arcueid like how Gohan made Cell vomit up Android 18?
>>4699524we can have Shirou trace Avalon so they don't die
cmiiw but this Orochi is around the level of Vitch or Douman yeah? Not quite a tru beast like Tiamom or Kaiju Kiara etc
>>4699524Nah, Roa wasn't a lich or anything, he died because Shiki poked him in a death point which made it impossible for him to reincarnate.Also, the sword/swords might pop out anyways because conceptually they are "the weapon(s) that is/are released when Orochi dies".I think by a similar principle Arcueid's power should spill out from him as well, because he expelled the remains of the deities he consumed in his legend. A funny thought, but the legend implies that the sword was made as a result of consuming the seven daughters, so Arcueids power might end up being transformed in a similar way, though I have no idea what that might look like.
>>4699555>Orochi is around the level of Vitch or Douman yeah?Actually a little bit above either of those, he's almost reached the level of a true Beast, yet is being held back by a certain aspect of his being making it impossible for him to fully become one.
>>4699575So is he approaching Tree of Emptiness levels?
Wow, we were really lucky to pick Avenger at the Temple.If Manaka were to use him against us it would have been a disaster.>>4699412>"It's Kiritsugu."
>>4699637I feel like that choice has been one of the most important long term choices in the entire quest.It was painful at the time to have to leave Medea, but saving Alcides was a massive dodged bullet that would have blindsided us at the end.Picking Betty made Nyarlethotep a lot more helpful than he would have been otherwise.Both of these things have only become apparent very recently.
>>4699668Maxwell's Demon would do anything he could to fuck us over and screw up our attempts at stopping Angry Manjew, Manaka, and Altrouge. He is NOT on the side of humanity, at all.
So I think we should do multiple things here as an extra safe measure.First we make alcohol trap and try to do it by the legend. Maybe even do sword pulling for cause and effect. If he is too smart to fall for it because of Zolgen it will also trick him into thinking we are desperate.If first step failed we let Divine Cursed Kaiju Beaky have a go at him. Orochi has a habit of eathing his opponents to gain their power and he will already think that our bait plan failed. Beaky will either fuck him by itself or Orochi will try to eat it eventually and has really bad time afterwards. Maybe even going as far as vomiting all things he ate.Our combat team will watch it unfolds. If we ask and confrim Arcueid will get her powers back we will just provide enough support for Avenger to do his jail trick. It will take care of all potential problems with Orochi AND Zolgen with Barbatos.If previous three steps will fail to work just give Shiki and opening to do his thing.Chains of truth we used during dragon daughter fight should be really useful at any step here. He is not Alítheia so good luck getting out of them.
>>4699675I see. I admit I’m uhh.....not the most knowledgeable about certain servants.
>>4699668I understand that we have a few morally dubious allies, but I'd rather not summon a guy who's very existence is antithetical to human order.>>4699680He's the manifestation of a physics model that violates reality, which makes him fundamentally incompatible with humanities existence.
>>4699636Kusanagi is explicitly good against vegetation
Due to the mana cost of Olympus se Tartarus we probably want to have some reserve mana source ready to supply Ilya if she needs it. The activation cost might cause her body to give out faster as she'd have to provide enough mana to manifest ZETE himself for a period and we can't allow it to fizzle out early or Orochi may get a very nice snack. Maybe even have Ilya and the other non combatants and divine snek food mages who spaghetti in Orochi's proximity either avoid the fight within Satuski's GoA knockoff for the restoration effects or be fiddling with the summoning circle well away from the fight to offer some backup.
Man, Manaka has an extremely hard act to follow if she doesn't want to be upstaged by our crazy grandpa stealing her world-ender spotlight.
>>4699721We accidentally the secret boss before finishing the main plot.She has Giles, has had a lot of preptime and is mid Apotheosis into an outer god, I'm sure she has plenty of lovely horrors and and likely some Tiamat's tide style infinitely respawning Alter servant army as fodder. There's also whatever the fuck Marisbilly has done in the background as memelin is wandering around with a loli and no one seems to know who Lev was. She still has Medusa so there will likely be a Gorgon fight.
We can use command spell to make Betty summon really specific thing. Perhaps something that looks on the outside like a True Knight who is here to slay a dragon. But on the insides its true abominition spawned to serve its masters.Snake will be tempted to consume "our last hope" only to get really nasty suprise after armor melts away.>>4699679Wait. If Orochi dies at first step does this means Makiri bloodline Ibuki will be spawned?
>>4699717Magical Girl Illya. It will also boost Avenger even more for the duration of transformation.
So the specifics aren't listed on Avenger's stats sheet, but King's Order contains aspects of every single labour. In canon only 6 of the 12 have been used so far in F/SF, but Shinji is aware of all of those: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/King%27s_OrderEssentially, Avenger has:>Nemean Lion Pelt - no sells any man made construct including the entire GoB sans Ea.>Chiron's Immortality - free extra life paired with batcon explicitly stated to let him fight through a beheading or a Dr. Gil heart episode.>Stymphalian Birds - a swarm of very angry skarmory>Mares of Diomedes - 4 yuge man eating horses>Ares' sash - massively buffs the wearer and imbues them with powerful divine energy of that of the god of war. Avenger would never use this on himself, he normally uses it to buff his bow to shoot harder. Probably not the best thing to use against Orochi as it would impart Divinity onto the attacks.>Cereberus - normally would have Hades'blessings upon it but Avenger has cut ties with the gods, might be able to be reactivated via Truth. Loyal, commandable and autonomous and can be ridden. Starts at the size of an elephant and would be bigger with Hades' buffs.We can assume the Hydra poison arrows would count for the 2nd labour.As for the others, I have some ideas for using them on the Orochi. The seventh labour would likely give Avenger the ability to summon the Cretan bull. This thing was considered an extremely high quality sacrifice and might make a good base for our snakebait. It's also divine so it would be irresistible. This could be comboed with the 10th Labour, which involved rounding up a bunch of sacrificial cows for Hera. The last labour is interesting, the 3 Golden Apples. If he gave one to Ilya she might be cured of her scuffed body syndrome. They're also a method of longevity and immortality, maybe restoration a la a senzu bean.>>4699733Accidentally Magical Shounen Ilya
>>4699734Medea would probably be the best person to consult in regards to what to do with the apples and their properties, they'd probably make a fantastic item construction ingredient. Her aunty probably gave her some good cursed food recipes for prepping the bull.
We have a homonculus expert in Morgan and a puppetmaster in Touko.So, in regards to the snake bait, how about a form that resembles Justeaze, crafted using Shinji's memories and potentially given it's basic form using one of Touko's spare puppets or some form of homonculus that Morgan can produce quickly.This gives it a very princessly form that both Orochi and Zolgen couldn't resist. It may even wake him up and fix him, but doubt. Anyway, infuse this bait doll with the divinity of the Cretan Bull or a Golden Apple, an object that imparted Divinity in myth. Then absolutely fill it with spaceaids via Betty, a Truth'd intoxication/poison of sleep, potentially boosted or enchanted by Morgan with some extremely powerful European sleeping curse like that which effected sleeping beauty. Enhance this further with Truth, then maybe add some Hydra venom seasoning for good measure and anything else our allies are able to contribute to mask the interior contents. Touko could remotely control it via her puppet magic and we could dress it in a replica dress of heaven for good measure.After Orochi is knocked out let Shiki have a stab after restraining it with the Tartarus chains with the portal open and waiting. If it can't be killed it goes directly to jail without passing go. Don't leave margin for error.Make sure Gil knows he simped through a pseudoBeast after the fact.
>>4699788This looks to be the best plan. Especially making the snake-bait look like Justeaze.
>>4699788>>4699800Two stage bait plan might have advantage over this. If Orochi can resist temptation of first bait because of Wormpa cunningness getting him to eat summoned divine cursed outsider familiar who will pretend to be Heroic Spirit will be easier since Orochi will devour his opponets to get their powers even if he will be smart enough to ignore other kinds of baits.Should he fall for both it is even better for us.
>>4699788If we go with your plan i suggest we call it the trojan whore.
>>4699818>the trojan whoreFucking hell anon that's good.
>>4699818Based.If we make some kind of Eldritch live bait instead I'd call it Meaty to keep with the theme.
>>4699788Making Cursed Divine Justeaze (now with tentacles) is brilliant. (Warning: Slightly NSFW)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TrQwLvLqSs&t=3420sBoth Zouken and Orochi will fall for it.. We just need to be careful not to accidentally create a fully sentient being whose sole purpose is to be eaten less than an hour after it's born, Betty would be very upset with us. It should also not be obvious it's not sentient.So, the plan in detail:>Tell Betty we know she loves her creations and doesn't want them to get hurt, but this is the best way. She needs to be strong for us. We're sorry.>Warn Illya (and Kiritsugu) we're about to create a twisted doppelganger of Irisviel as bait.>Actually create a twisted doppelganger of Irisviel as bait. Use Command Seal on Betty so she can replicate Justeaze's appearance. The replica Dress of Heaven will hide any tentacles. Morgan will infuse it with Divinity as it is being created, as discussed, and we'll fill it with every nasty stuff we can think of. It will be named Meaty the trojan whore (the last part not to be said out loud, there are children present), and its sacrifice will not be forgotten.With the trojan whore ready, we can afford to cover our bases>Have Betty use her spy bugs to locate Orochi, give us an estimate on time left to contact.>If there is time, get Touko on speaker with us and our Casters and discuss: A) What will happen to the part of Arcueid's power that Orochi ate if he's dragged into the Underworld and how difficult it will be to get it from him later on and B) If there's any chance his soul will flow to Manaka, Sakura or Illya after he's Shiki-killed.It would be nice to know the odds before we decide on how to dispose of him.>Quick call to Waver. Inform him about the shitshow.>Go kill a snake god who's too full of himself.Am I missing anything?>Make sure Gil knows he simped through a pseudoBeast after the fact.Possibly the best part of the plan.
>>4699866If we are going to bait him with sacrifice we should really still consider making some very poisonous liqueur to emulate his death. And consider making another unholy summon stuffed with all manner of nasty shit made in likeness of Susanoo since Orochi mentioned how he wants to take revenge on him when he saw Tamamo.
I now understand why the Einzbern were so confident Herc could beat Gil.Just put on the Nemean Lion Pelt and send Gil to hell.Damn is Alc a broken guy.Strongest in the world.Sasaki is also immensely busted, he's stronger Li Shuwen with better reach.He literally did the *teleports behind you, cuts you in half* shit to a Beast.
>>4699868Does anyone even know what he looked like?
>>4699893Would she though?She's not Ammy.
>>46999024 tails atm, must be some memory leakage
>>4699904Maybe.I like that she's stopped acting like a retard because she's afraid of Orochi.Great work Wormpa.
>>4699908Wormpa still helps beyond even ego death.
>>4699868It's been all but confirmed Orochi won't fall for the booze now that Orichi.exe is running on Zolgen's hardware. And Susano isn't a bad idea, but we might not have the time and juice for two baits and I think Orochi knows him better and will have an easier time seeing through the lie.And damn, I just realised if we'd just taken Avenger with us to Zouken instead of Ibaraki he would have no-selled Zouken's trump card so hard it would have been hilarious.
I hope we get an Anti-Beast skill for dealing with Orochi.
>>4699915Also if this doesn't get Gil's respect then I suggest we throw him into Sakura's blender.
Showing up in other timelines would be genuinely great at some point.Especially Apocrypha or Extra or FGO.Blessing of the Dragon Queen means we'll probably be able to tell Sieg what to do.Strange Fake is probably going to happen after this so Kerry can adopt Sigma or something. He's Maiya's son so Kerry should feel guilty enough. Also should we get Medea to summon a Dragon to fight Orochi with?She can do that now right?
>>4699921I think WhatIs once mentioned Dark Six will be next.
>>4699926I don't trust him not to make it additionally spicy.
>>4699927I trust him to make it additionally extra spicy.
>>4699927>>4699928Dark Six but in Moon Cell hacked by vampires. Shinji gets summoned as a Servant to Altrouge.
I won't be satisfied until we truth barrier no-sell Ars Almadel.
We should ask Tamamo if it would be possible for Kiritsugu to keep his enchantments in human form if she kept him as a familiar
>>4699940And we need to fully restore his crest.
>>4699940I don't think Kiritsugu would appreciate being kept as a crazy fox lady's familiar.
>>4699942He cucked to the Einzbern for almost a decade.He'll be fine
>>4699941>CrestOh yeah.Time Alter with Servant stats should give Kerry some crazy speed.Maybe EX rank.
>>4699937Sounds like a great way to get ourselves turned to ash.>>4699940We can get Shirou to trace servant EMIYA's knife too.
>>4699956Oh FUCK.Did Shirou find out about Counter Guardian Kerry because of his knife?>https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Phantasm_Punishment
>>4699958I think Shirou's currently trying not to thing too hard about the origin of all his shiny new Noble Phantasms. Possibly after a trip to the Dojo. Let's not open that wound, shall we?
>>4699960>Wake up Saber and go eat breakfast>Check this strange Slash Emperor sword it wont take long
>>4699960We must've given him likeHundreds of Swords to look through.I wonder if he can make Sasaki a stronger sword.Who's Sasaki's Master do you think?And what's up with his luck?
>>4699963I am curious about sasaki's master too since he sided with us easily it's either an OC or its kuzuki/taiga since they are the only remaining relevant characters in fuyuki.There's also the possibilty that he's a stray servant summoned due to orochi.
>>4699966I have no idea who it could be. Souichirou/Taiga don't have the mana to support him, and I doubt he's been eating people.I wouldn't be surprised if he is a servant with no monster spawned from the empty space left by Mordred breaking reality and prophecy to become a King. And we should definitely talk to him one on one at some point, he's a doubly-fictional character in a fictional story and we both know it.
>>4699966I can't see it being Taiga or Kuzuki seeing as they aren't magi.Also I doubt Kuzuki and the rest actually escaped Manaka.Man, sometimes I wish the stakes weren't so high.We're missing out on SoL and school shenanigans.
>>4699972A servant with no master, even.
>>4699974>Also I doubt Kuzuki and the rest actually escaped Manaka.Did we ever confirm it that he's actually in her hands? I thought we just couldn't find him, which could mean anything.
Do we actually know for certain that Taiga isn't hiding some first generation magic circuits?
What if Sasaki was summoned by Merlin?
>>4699984That makes sense yeah. Merlin was worried about something destroying the world, and here comes Sasaki to save the day from Orochi.
>>4699985Merlin would've summoned Proto Arthur I think.
>>4699991EXcalibur and Giant Beast Hunting.
>>4699996Though to be fair if he was going to summon anyone he'd summon proto merlin for selfcest
>>4700000The die is cast.
>>4699987My head theory is that Arthur had already been summoned. There's a reason why one servant has been missing from the second set this whole time... and Arthur can be a mysterious hero sometimes. I'm not spoiling anything else because I hope my theory is true and I don't want QM to possibly change it the last minute.
Calling and writing in twenty minutes.
>>4699866>Am I missing anything?I think it depends on how much time we have left before Orochi gets here.If we have a bit more time adding second bait worth a try. If we have a lot of time we can try adding Scáthach plan for extra muscle.One more thing to consider is that Orochi as he is right now makes our Casters even more than useless since each of them is walking power up for him. So sending them to detour to raid Zouken`s base could be beneficial. If Orochi downgrades again Medea will just teleport all of them to us.>>4699933>Shinji gets summoned as a ServantIt is fine as long as class is not a Saber.>>4700000>he'd summon proto merlin for selfcestShe immediately deserts and go for us.
>>4700095We should just stick to doing one plan in preparation.I doubt we'll get enough time for more, and I also doubt that we'll have enough warning to get into position if we get interrupted.>She immediately deserts and go for us.I doubt Merlin would begrudge her, he'd do the same thing.
>>4700054>This is getting out of hand, now there are TWO of them!
>>4700053>>4699987Merlin doesn't need to summon Arthur, Arthur can show up by himself since he's universe hopping to but an end to Beast 666
"It's... It's Kiritsugu, Illya." You look the girl in the eyes, and she looks stunned for a moment as she looks at the bear, your words are taking some time to properly sink in, you suppose. It's probably quite a shock to be told that a sentient teddy bear is your father, even if Illya already knew that Kiritsugu's soul was transplanted into one of her bears, you suppose she just forgot the specific design of the thing. Which is totally fair, the girl does seem to have hundreds of the things."You... You mean... You found him?" There's very clear excitement in Illya's voice, and though you don't spend much time looking, you can also see the surprise on EMIYA's face as well. You have no idea what he's going to say to Kiritsugu, or even if he's going to do anything at all around his father. "Well, technically, Tamamo found him and made it so he could move about in that body, but fundamentally, I guess so." You shrug, not wanting to take the credit for Tamamo's work. If the woman had never bothered to turn Kiritsugu into her familiar, he would be in grave danger from Orochi right now, who might just decide to destroy the Einzbern Castle out of rage."Then... Then we have to put him back in his body right away!" She practically demands, but you hold your hand up to stop her, and to remind her of the urgency of the current situation. You really can't afford to let something like this stop you from your current plotting to destroy Orochi. You want to see Kiritsugu returned to his body too, but right now you simply can't afford to spend the time needed to restore him to his original body, and while it shouldn't be necessary to have Leysritt become the Dress of Heaven to transfer Kiritsugu's soul from one vessel to the other, it's probably the only way to get it done in any sort of reasonable amount of time. Of course, that is unacceptable, you aren't going to accept Leysritt dying for this at all."No, there's no time for that, unfortunately. The ritual may very well end up being interrupted. I'm sorry, Illya, but we're going to have to wait until we've killed Orochi before we can do anything about Kiritsugu." You can't afford for the ritual to be interrupted by Orochi, as that may well end up with Kiritsugu's soul being lost forever. "You may not have seen Orochi with your own eyes just yet, Illya, but I can assure you that if we take him lightly, we will all die." Your voice is grim as you tell everyone that. While hope is not yet lost, the moment you start treating Orochi like he's not a threat is the moment that you condemn yourself to death. Aside from perhaps Manaka, this is by far the most powerful enemy you've ever faced in combat now."Alright, but... we're doing it the very moment that this snake is dead! Avenger, I want you to give it your all!" Illya commands her Servant, and the man simply smiles in response, a savage smile that makes it look like he really cannot wait for the oncoming fight against Orochi.
"You don't need to tell me that, Master. The chance to kill a true god is one that comes very rarely, and I intend to make the most of it... No offense intended, Caster." Alcides looks a little bit sheepish as he realizes that Caster is a god as well, his previous hostility towards the woman due to her divine status seems to have been suppressed a little bit. Maybe it's as a result of her being knocked down a few pegs? "Well, souls in bears aside, you know my abilities now, Shinji, so... how exactly are we going to proceed? You line that snake bastard up for me, and I'll drag him straight to the pits of Tartarus!" Of course there's one question you have that can't be answered by anybody here. If you do end up dragging Orochi to the pits of Tartarus, what is going to happen to the twenty five percent of Arcueid's power that he ended up stealing? Is it going to return to her, or is it going to disappear forever? The optimistic part of you believes it will return, while the pessimistic part believes it would vanish along with the god.>>The more specific and detailed a plan is, the higher the chances of success.>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll have you drag him to hell.">"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll butcher him and try to find the sword in his tail.">"An all out assault is our best shot. We don't need a plan if we can just overwhelm him completely.">"We'll cut off his tails, one at a time, in order to find the sword in his tail.">Write-in...
What a shame we don’t have Monica with us. She’d trivialize recovering the sword methinks.
Calling in an hour.
>>4700214>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll have you drag him to hell."
Regarding Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.Shiki now has the best possible version of them, right?Orochi is made up out of Zolgen, Barbatos, Orochi and part of Arcueid`s power stiched together. Could Shiki now theoretically determine and undo bindings which holds this abomontion by striking specific points and concepts withing Orochi?If he could give it a slice or two to try and get Arcueid`s power back draggin Orochi and remaining parts of him will be an easy choice.
>>4700214>>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll butcher him and try to find the sword in his tail."Cool sword
>>4700214>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice. You'll immobilise him with your chains of Tartarus. Shiki will deliver the killing blow if he can. We'll have you drag him to hell if he can't."
>>4700251Orochi definitely has the concept of death on him though as you say, he probably has like multiple different death points because he has a weird mesh mash of 3 different beings. I think if it does work like you say it does, killing the Zolgen half would give back Arc's powers as that's the half that was capable of taking it away
>>4700258If he does have multiple points, will Shiki be able to tell which is which? And why do you say it's the Zolgen part that has Arcueid's power?
>>4700251>>4700258He's explicitly able to kill individual souls within a body.
>>4700265Zolgen is the one with the knowledge and abilities that lets him absorb stuff
>>4700270Is he? The status page says it's one of Orochi's skills, no mention of getting it from Zolgen's body.
>>4700272guess the only thing he gets from Zouken is a vessel and Magecraft then
>>4700258>>4700267Zolgen part is still counts as host body, right? If we were to kill it Orochi will have no body to cling too and should get desummoned and stolen power will be simply released?>>4700275Battle Continuation: A+++ is partially on good old grandpa and his worms.
>>4700214>>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll butcher him and try to find the sword in his tail."
>>4700257>>4700214I feel like this encapsulates the jist of what we were discussing earlier.support.
>>4700214>>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll butcher him and try to find the sword in his tail."let's leave the chains of Tartarus as a fallback option in case we can't get the sword out considering risk to Arcueid.How does Orochi's negation skill work? Is it a passive aura? can it be outranged? Can Medea keep her distance and pelt him from afar without being affected? It wouldn't do to bring her and Tamamo along if they can be switched off at worm's whim.Would it be a good idea to drag him into Sacchin's reality marble? I'm guessing it's too risky to try anyway.Are Zouken's worms going to be a problem? To what extent can he spread out or hide away some of them to make a backup of himself?Are there any tricks we should anticipate from his Zolgen persona? Can he hijack or abuse the command spell system somehow?How would he interact with Sakura/Tiamat?We have to absolutely ensure he does not take a bite off Alitheia. If she's going to fight with us, she'll need to keep distance and fuck him up with deletion beams.
>>4700214Going with >>4700257I assume vivisection part will encapsulate current discussion.
>>4700214>"We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice, then we'll butcher him and try to find the sword in his tail."
>>4700214opting for>>4700257Always the chance of finding the sword as Shiki rips and tears
We should also discuss Witch Trial with Betty. She does not like it, but it might be useful against the wormsnake considering his multiple heads.
>>4700391Avenger can use the Stymphalian birds to annoy them and draw aggro. They're much more expendable
Any bets on who Waver will bring along?Gray is given of course.
At some point, we need to figure out what Betty's Noble Phantasm is.From what we know of her abilities, it either absolutely terrifying or situationally godlike.I feel like Betty is secretly one of our most powerful allies in terms of potential, its just been hard to grasp because her weaknesses are much more apparent than her strengths.>>4700425I don't think he usually drags his students along, but maybe chaoslad if he does this time.
>>4700425Flat won't be his student for another 5 years which is a shame. In fact most of his students are all too young and won't be his students for a few years. The Pentel brothers are basically offscreen NPCs, older siblings of one of Waver's future students. One summoned Spartacus and the other Achillies in Apocrypha. Ergo won't be around for a while unless he's been in touch with Atlas. Probably just Gray if anyone, maybe Reines? WhatIs might throw a curveball and have someone from Atlas like Sion show up.
"Alright, here's the plan. We'll weaken Orochi with a false sacrifice made by the Three Casters and Betty, and then when he's weakened, you'll bind him in place with your chains, Avenger. Then, while he's bound, it'll be up to Shiki to find his death point and destroy the soul of Orochi." You aren't really sure whether or not destroying the soul of Zolgen would actually manage to do the trick when it comes to putting this Beast down, but the destruction of Orochi's soul instead should do the trick. Of course, there's always the potential that Shiki is incapable of killing the soul of a god, so... "If Shiki proves incapable of killing the monster, then you'll have to finish the job, Avenger, and drag him down to Tartarus." You doubt that Shiki will find himself unable to kill Orochi, it might be a different story if Orochi was 'dead', but as he is right now, he is very much alive through manifesting through Zolgen. Then again, that may not even be a problem for Shiki after you messed with his Mystic Eyes, he may very well be capable of killing Servants right now. A pity you never got to find out the answer to the question normally though. Now you may never know if Shiki was originally capable of killing Servants..."No problem." Avenger still sounds confident about the idea of facing off against Orochi, then again, he does have experience in dealing with multi-headed snake dragons, so it's not like he should be worried at all. You feel a little irritated with yourself that you completely discounted the possibility that he was Alcides based on his age, of course a true Avenger Alcides would end up looking different to an Alcides who was corrupted into that state from an Archer! Of course, as a result of him actually being summoned into this class from the beginning, as far as Avengers go, he's very friendly. In fact, the only people he seems to actively dislike are those with divine blood, and he doesn't really seem to have much of a problem with Medea. Probably because the two of them have quite a bit of history with each other. Still, while he can tolerate the presence of Tamamo right now, it's very clear that he doesn't like the fox goddess one single bit."Uh, you really think that my eyes can kill the soul of a god?" Shiki really doesn't sound all that confident, and you frown. Shiki really is far more powerful than he thinks he is, and you just need to show him that. After all, he was the only person who was actually capable of harming Alítheia out of all of your allies, even Arcueid was unable to leave a scratch on your daughter with her physical strength alone.
>>4700437Wait nvm I misread 4th war as fifth, he has plenty of students currently. Possibility of Flat tagging along whether he intends to or not.
"Don't underestimate your eyes, Shiki, there's absolutely nothing you can't kill with them." You try to instill some confidence into the boy, and he's clearly not really sure about your plan. It seems that he has less faith in his own abilities than you have, but that's fine. You have a decent idea just what Shiki is capable of with his eyes, and with any luck when it comes to death points, killing Orochi should very much be possible."Shinji is right. Those eyes are yours are things that you should never underestimate!" Aoko now acts to reassure Shiki. "Never forget the power that you have, Shiki, if something can die, regardless of what form that death takes, then your eyes will remain effective on them." Aoko's own words seem to reassure Shiki far more than your own do, but that's to be expected. After all, there's definitely some unresolved feelings between the teacher and the student, but you don't really want to interfere there at all."Well then, I believe we have a sacrifice to create, don't we?" Medea speaks up, and reminds everyone of the major part of the plan. "Now, Shinji, will you be aiding the four of us, or do you have other business to attend to?" While they don't specifically need you to create the sacrifice, it might be better if you were to go with them to oversee things.>"Yes, I've got a room in the basement that we can use.">"Actually, I want to try to get in touch with... my other ally, to see what's going on with Gilgamesh.">"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on.">"There's actually something else I need to do. (What?)">Write-in...
>>4700443>>"Actually, I want to try to get in touch with... my other ally, to see what's going on with Gilgamesh.">>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."
>>4700443>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."
>>4700443>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."We should get on top of this shit storm in case ofmit becoming public or the clocktower doing something.
>>4700443>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."We could teleport him here actually.>>4700434>>4700437>>4700441I think WhatIs will definitely make Luvia, Necromancer and Flat show up.Reines tagging along would be ideal since we could finally help Waver solve all the issues he has.
Calling in fifty.
>>4700443>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on.">"Yes, I've got a room in the basement that we can use."We need to make sure that they make the justeaze bait correctly so wormpa will 100% take the bait and not just ignore it.
>>4700443>>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on.">>"Yes, I've got a room in the basement that we can use."
>>4700443>"Actually, I want to try to get in touch with... my other ally, to see what's going on with Gilgamesh.">"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."
>>4700443>>"Actually, I need to make a phonecall to Waver. He needs to know what's going on."
"Actually, first I need to make a phonecall to Waver, he ought to be showing up at some time today, so I think it best that he's well informed about the... well the actual threat." He's basically coming only because he heard that his king was in Fuyuki, and while you did tell him a small amount of just how messed up the war had become, he hasn't seen anything just yet. If he thought that the Fourth War that he competed in ten years ago was insane, then you've gone ten steps beyond insanity. Beasts, Outer Gods, the true resurrection of a Heroic Spirit, there's just so much going on here. "Though if you head down into the basement, I'm sure that you'll find a workshop well stocked enough for your purposes.""Shinji! This is my house, and you're talking about my workshop!" Rin reminds you, rather angrily, as you start treating her house like it's your own, you feel a little bad about offering Rin's workshop out to the three women, but their need for it is greater than her need to keep it to herself. Otherwise they'd have to spend who knows how long setting up their own workshops in the home of the magus."Yes Rin, and...?" You respond with a smug smirk. "I think that the continued existence of the world itself goes just a little beyond your own privacy. Honestly. I can't see any of the Casters snooping around your personal belongings anyway, and I'll make this up to you at some point in the future... if there's a future." You add on the last part of the sentence as a reminder to Rin that failure here won't just mean the end of Fuyuki City, but very likely the end of the world as a whole. Orochi seems to be taking things quite casually right now, but should he assume his true form, then Japan would be annihilated in a few minutes at most. Whereas Alítheia was a large dragon, from what you understand, Orochi in his full form would be closer to the size of a Mountain Range, a colossal beast of calamity that at this point, might actually be impossible for Alaya to combat directly, as he has absorbed some of Arcueid's power, a being who due to her nature as a True Ancestor, is not seen by Alaya as a potential target, even if she were to start to threaten humanity! Could that be why you've yet to be saturated with Counter Guardians?!
Rin groans for a moment before responding. "...Fine, but I'm going to have you pay dearly for this." Rin doesn't sound as mad as you thought she would, but you know that she means her words, and you know that you're going to probably gave to accept whatever the payment she decides that loaning out her personal workshop to three women is going to be. With any luck she'll just ask for money, god knows you've got enough of the stuff at this point. In fact, with the resources at your disposal now, you could probably take control of the majority of the planet's wealth in the next 10 years or so. Of course, that all really depends on how serious Mordred actually is about wanting to conquer Britain, yet at the same time, you know that the girl simply won't approve of being installed as the ruler through shady means. For as great she's shown her leadership skills, the word subterfuge may well not be apart of Mordred's lexicon. The girl is very much a 'what you see is what you get' type of person. Not that you dislike her straightforwardness at all. In fact, talking to her is very refreshing sometimes. A person who says what's on their mind and has the conviction to follow through with her ideas. No matter how foolish they might originally sound. Her ploy to have Arturia marry Saber went perfectly, and you never would have thought of suggesting the two get engaged in such short time by yourself. "Rin, after what I told you about Kirei and after what you did to him, do I not deserve a little bit of leeway?" You frown at the girl, who looks a little awkward at the reminder that you are fundamentally the one person who actually enabled her vengeance against Kirei. There's really not a single person who deserved their vengeance on Kirei Kotomine more than Rin did, even if she wouldn't normally have been capable of defeating Kirei with just her own skills, the Kaleidosword sure changed that little fact. Kirei could probably try to taunt Rin and use her weaknesses against her as much as he wanted, but that didn't stop the result of him getting a huge sword plunged straight through his chest this time. "Regardless, I do need to make this call, for all I know, Waver might already be here!"You start dialing the man as you step out of Rin's bedroom, with a lot of your allies also taking the opportunity to leave the personal space of the sometimes short-tempered teenager to find somewhere else to stay for the moment while the preparations for dealing with Orochi are done by the Casters. You'll go and join them after you've called Waver, but first you need to make sure that the man isn't going to get himself killed.
You dial his number, and hope that he remembered his phone. Waver isn't like most magi, and is actually fairly technology savvy. In fact, out of all the magi bar perhaps yourself, you'd say he's the one with the most knowledge of modern technology that isn't a highly specialized machine that runs only on magical principles. The phone dials a few times before it is picked up. "Good timing, Shinji. I just touched down at the airport about an hour ago and am on the train to Fuyuki right now, we should be at Fuyuki in... about twenty minutes.""Hold on Waver, we? Who... Who else have you brought with you?" Gray... may not have been the wisest choice, you have no idea what might end up happening if she were to directly meet either Saber or Mordred at this point, though the fact that she carries Rhongomyniad may end up being a blessing in disguise. After all, whoever wields Rhongomyniad, so long as they are acknowledged by the spear as a true wielder, is blessed with a certain skill that provides a great deal of extra strength in combat situations. A full rank-up to all of a Servant's physical parameters in battle just for having it on their person! Of course, you don't know if Mordred would be considered a valid wielder of the spear, but Arturia could definitely borrow Rhongomyniad for some time, so long as Gray doesn't mind, and... well it's fairly unlikely that she'll try to deny Saber the spear. You only hope that the two of them don't suffer feedback from one another due to being in close proximity with each other. Gray doesn't exactly like the idea of becoming more like Saber, especially considering that her original self slips further and further away the more she does. "Well, I was originally only going to take Gray, as she's just about the only person I know who is capable of battling against Servant level opponents at this point, but... well, a few tagalongs refused to leave me be, and I knew that if I tried to deny them, they'd have just gone by themselves anyway." Oh great, who has Waver decided to bring along with him? Well, not decided, by the sounds of things, it seems like he was forced. "Well, for one, Reines is here, and so is a girl who apparently knows you, she's called Luviagelita? Said something about how she wanted a rematch with a blue haired boy from Fuyuki, so I guess she must've tracked you down. Then there's another student of mine, Flat. I didn't want him running off on his own especially." Yes, you can understand Waver's concern about Flat, considering Flat is absolutely the sort of person to run directly into danger if he considers something interesting enough, a genius magus with absolutely no survival instincts, wasn't Shirou enough?
"Anyone else?" You ask the man, already not looking forward to not only needing to look after a whole bunch more people, but also your long delayed reunion with Luvia. The last time you met the girl you ended up kind of... thrashing her in the ring, and your abilities have only increased since then. Of course, there's always the potential that she might surprise you with a far more rapid advancement of her martial arts skills than she otherwise would've had. You hope she doesn't get jealous over Rin's Kaleidosword."I hired a Freelancer to help me keep the kids safe, but he's requested I keep our business... Private. Especially over mobile lines." Waver doesn't elaborate any further than that, and you can understand why. You never know just who is listening in over mobile, and there are very few magi who understand the concept of surveillance like Waver does, so you don't press him for more information on the Freelancer. If they stick around, you're sure that you'll end up meeting them anyway."Well, good. You know where the Tohsaka Residence is, right?" You ask Waver a quick question, and seeing as he fought in the Holy Grail War ten years prior, he should very much be well aware of all of the properties of the Tohsaka family, even if he was unaware before, he's the sort of person that really doesn't like to be uninformed about things, so he almost certainly researched all about Fuyuki at some point."I do." Waver responds positively, good, that means that you aren't going to give him directions or the actual address for Rin's house, though it wouldn't really take all too long, it's much simpler that he knows just where the place he needs to be heading is."Great, well, I'll either be there, or I'll be off fighting Yamata-no-Orochi, who has stolen a portion of the power of the White Princess of the True Ancestors and has now become an existence on the level of the Beast, so stay safe and away from forests. Wish me luck. Bye." You hang up on Waver before he has a chance to even respond to your incredible revelation, and while it might be a little rude to hang-up on him like that, you know that the phonecall beyond that point was just going to be questions about the nature of Yamata-no-Orochi or something, and you really have no time for Waver if he's going to start doing that. He can muse that in his own head, you've got a lot of stuff to be getting on with.>Go and aid the Casters and Betty.>Go see EMIYA and Illya, make sure that the two of them are feeling alright.>Go see Rin, ask her questions about the Second True Magic.>Go see Aoko, ask her how the Fifth True Magic could be used to defeat Orochi.>Go see Shiki, make sure that he knows what he has to do.>Call SHIKI, Gilgamesh obviously didn't get the message.>Write-in...
>>4700664>Go and aid the Casters and Betty.No more distractions.
>>4700664>>Call SHIKI, Gilgamesh obviously didn't get the message.Where are they?! I hope Ayaka managed to get a command seal or master degree and contract with Gil already. Gil could definitely Rule Break himself!
I wonder if Morgan will be able to undo what she did to Gray, or at least halt her deterioration. A good start to prove she's sincere about making amends, at least.
>>4700664>Go and aid the Casters and Betty.
>>4700664>>Call SHIKI, Gilgamesh obviously didn't get the message.
While I'd love to write another update, I got a busy day tomorrow, so I'm gonna have to call it here for the night.I hope you enjoyed today's updates regardless, even if things were a little slower paced.
>>4700664Go aid the casters If we call SHIKI we're effectively asking Gil for help. Gil prefers humans who struggle using their own merits. He'd respect us more if he found out after, and his presence may also cause complications to the snek plan. Seeing as Sha Naqba Imuru is actually sealed right now he might underestimate Orchi as a dumb rampaging beast and end up a snack seeing as he's at his most arrogant in his current incarnation. He might be just waiting to job.
>>4700716I certainly did. Goodnight WhatIs!
>>4700716I appreciate you weaving in the audience chosen location that accurately into the story despite not having it preplanned. Its the little things that really make this qst thread worth following.I wonder if Waver bought Kairi or maybe even Pepe as he did say "he" so it could be Flueger or Sigma.
>>4700716Sleep well WhatIs. Hopefully we can get some updates tomorrow :D>>4700664>>Call SHIKI, Gilgamesh obviously didn't get the message. (Do this first)>Go see EMIYA and Illya, make sure that the two of them are feeling alright. (Do this second)>Go and aid the Casters and Betty. (Do this last)
>>4700659>"Her ploy to have Arturia marry Saber went perfectly"Did we get Shiroumasa outta nowhere?
>>4700746You got an overlooked mistake on my proof read.Oh well.Nobody is perfect.You know what it should read.
Oh.My trip fell off.
>>4700719Good point, we also don't need to worry about their safety for obvious reasons.>>4700746It's foreshadowing for when Shirou dies and is summoned as a Saber in a future grail war.
>>4700719It's not like we're dragging Gil to the fight, but it's good to check up on him, he HAD to notice that Kirei is no longer with us and that a Beast has been summoned, better to be in the know then go in blind and get screwed over
>>4700761We can always call SHIKI just to get an update on Gil, and not have him alert Gil to anything.
>>4700764I assumed the vote was just an update on the situation, its honestly more absurd to me that Gilgamesh isn't gonna act now that there's currently a Beast roaming around. He's prideful, he's not a retard, he understands when shit is going down and things need to be dealt with
>>4700761I have a feeling the more time we spend improving the bait, the easier the roll about Orochi taking it is gonna be.
>>4700766I was going by WhatIs' wording of >Call SHIKI, Gilgamesh obviously didn't get the message.Gil not getting the message kinda implies we intend to be more obvious about contacting him this time, rather than just fiddling with the bracelet as he has his simp goggles strapped on a bit tight to notice or much more subtle prod.
>>4700664If we use the Kaladeostar again it would be nice to know our limits.>Go and aid the Casters and Betty.>Go see Rin, ask her questions about the Second True Magic.
>>4700766>>4700761Gil's probably going to show up soon enough, if only to show off, but I wouldn't expect Gilgamesh of all people to have a sense of urgency.I mean, even Ayala seems to be playing this off for the time being.Really, a lot of what we choose to do right now comes down to focus.We already have a good idea of who's around, what the problem is, and what we need to do about it, so right now the most effective we can be is to focus on the plan and make sure everything has the highest possible chance of success.Gilgamesh will show up on his own time, there's no emergencies going on internally, and we don't need info on true magic for out plan.The best we can do right now is help with the specifics of the bait, as that has the largest effect on the outcome of the fight with Orochi.
>>4700782i disagree, the best thing we can do now is make sure there's absolutely no unknown factors if we can help it
>>4700786But there are no unknown factors that would affect the plan. SHIKI will call us if Gil's on the move. And we don't need him to succeed. We do need to focus though.
>>4700786Not knowing exactly where Gilgamesh is doesn't impact the plan nearly as much as ensuring we have the perfect bait.
If anything drives Waver to be a rampant alcoholic, it’ll be us
>>4700803Maybe if we make a habit of telling him about a world-ending monster at the end of every conversation.
>>4700803He can die of overwork just like Zhuge Liang, they're such a perfect match. He doesn't have an ugly as sin wife though.
>>4700664>Go and aid the Casters and Betty
>>4700795What can we do that 3 God Tier Casters and Betty can't? I'm sure they'll figure everything out just fine
>>4700789Your acting like SHIKI won't find himself in a situation where he can't contact us like Gilgamesh can't skewer him or keep him trapped somewhere
>>4701086Well... we can observe and learn from said God-tier casters.We can also imbue elements with Truth during the decoys creation.
>>4700664>>Go and aid the Casters and Betty.
>>4700664>Go see Aoko, ask her how the Fifth True Magic could be used to defeat Orochi.
>>4701101>imbue elements with TruthCursed toxic truth outer god beakysviel daughter with four moms get.
I wonder what the QM would have done if we decided to kill our dragon loli for the blood even after knowing it was sentient.maybe have it transform in the human form while it bleed to death.
>>4701194>calls Shinji dad with her last dying breath>Status updated!>Kinslayer: B>Cannibalism: A
>>4701194I'm thinking a dream sequence of what could have been, possibly with Manaka chiding us for what our mad dash for power cost us.
>>4697319This is a bit late since I'm catching up. But why did the guy who consumed pop culture where hydra weakness = heads is basic knowledge and the Greek girl from the era where the myth came from need to be told by someone that you need to chop a hydra's heads off to kill it?
>>4701241Because Orochi isn't a Hydra and neither were the False Orochi.And cutting the heads off of a Hydra won't kill it either, you need to cut the heads off and then cauterize them with flames.Time for my busy day. I'll post again in 5 or 6 hours.
>>4701246If it looks like a dog and barks like a dog it's natural to assume it's a dog. It's not like there haven't been more obscure things that have been cold read by Shinji out of less data. Who could have possibly expected a many headed snake's weakness to turn out to be their heads after they showed incredible regeneration like a certain creature? Apparently not Shinji.
>>4701254>Who could have possibly expected a many headed snake's weakness to turn out to be their heads after they showed incredible regeneration like a certain creature?Nobody, because the Hydra's weakness was fire, not having its heads cut off.In fact, the Hydra having its heads cut off made it stronger and more dangerous.
>>4701257You're splitting hairs dude. The weakness is the head because you need to get rid of them to kill it. You do this by using fire to stop them from healing after you chop them off.
>>4701258I'm really not splitting hairs, because the basic assumption "The head is the weakness." Is incorrect. Fire is the weakness, and if Heracles was capable of splitting the Hydra down the middle and having that be cauterized, he damn well probably would've done that.For the False Orochi, the weakness was that you needed to cut off all of the heads at roughly the same time to kill one.Your entire argument is built on an incorrect assumption about the weakness of the Lernaean Hydra extending over to a far more powerful being that not only predates it due to having existed in the height of the Age of Gods instead of near the end of it, but you also got the weakness of the Hydra wrong too.Not so obvious, is it?
>>4701262The myth says the the middle golden 9th head is immortal and to kill the hydra it was cut then buried. To approach and get this head the other heads needed to be dealt with. I'm not saying Shinji should instantly know you need to chop off all the heads at the same time for false orochi, just questioning why he never got a clue to the idea after seeing the resemblance.
>>4701265He might have guessed at some weaknesses if he was given the chance to think. Mordred did use her Instinct to determine the weakness very rapidly after the magic attacks failed to do lasting damage, and it's not like he had much of a chance to figure it out.Besides, Orochi in his own tale is weak to alcohol, would you try to use alcohol to defeat the Hydra?
>>4701267Probably not, because hydras are poisonous but alcohol is poison so the logic would be they're immune.
>>4701267https://youtu.be/Tw4R9S0dRnwYou can drink that alcohol and then do fire breath trick incinerating hydra with it. Myths are as vague as you really want them to be. Like having female King Arthur.
>>4700664>Go see Aoko, ask her how the Fifth True Magic could be used to defeat Orochi.It won't win but I feel like we're overlooking her.>>4701241Dude why are you complaining about one of our allies figuring out his weaknesses before us? I like seeing our allies being useful.>>4701194I think that might've made Shinji go full mind of steel. He's not very good with dealing with loss or defeat.>>4701142Let's stress that it be specifically incapable of thinking for itself.We don't need it to be capable of making us feel like shit.
>>4701276>Let's stress that it be specifically incapable of thinking for itself.>We don't need it to be capable of making us feel like shit.Oh, god, yes. The last thing we need is to create a granddaughter for Orochi to vore.
>>4701276>>4701279If it is true divine creature created by Betty...she will be daugther of Azathoth too.Real power move to win grail war.
>>4701283>we send the sacrifice to Orochi for him to eat>instead the sacrifice eats Orochi
>>4701283This is why I originally suggested to use a golden apple or the Cretan bull as the source of it's divinity and a puppet body of Touko's for the base form if possible so we don't accidentally create proper life, just imitate it
>>4701286Yeah, but the idea was to exploit the interaction between Arcueid's stolen power and Betty's unnatural creations.
>>4701289Nothing saying it can't be infused with it, maybe give it a bottle of Colour Out of Space liquor as an extra offering for Orochi.We don't actually know how WhatIs is going to interpret the myth for access to any divine beasts too as Cerberus has lost Hades'protection under Alcidies, so maybe the Ceryneian Hind, Cretan Bull and the apples have all been stripped of their original divinity and an Azathoth abomination is the only way to grant it Divinity. The only risk is creating something worse than the thing it's intended to kill.
>>4701285>>4701286To be honest I am sure WhatIs will not do same twist twice and during one day no less. This being said it would have been ultimate triumph over Manaka and make her seethe for short remaining part of her life.
>>4701292Now, anon, Alítheia is not a "risk" nor it was a mistake.
>>4701293Better safe than sorry anon.
>>4701298But we know (Nuclear) Chaos is the best girl.
>>4701298That's just being overdramatic.Azzy is a bro.I'm worried Orochi might be able to summon more divine spirits and servants thanks to Zouken's magecraft.Warriors Orochi when?
>>4701319>another set of seven ServantsOrochi-Sama Yameteeeee!
>>4701323Another two sets for proper teams. Have to commit to full Apocrypha.
>>4701326All the more friends to Rule Break.
>>4701319I think its not too far fetched to believe that there will be another set of servants. Particularly regarding Ayaka's "command spells", if she gets Master Degrees specifically instead of command seals the grail could glitch and give out another 5 or 6 Master Degrees since now Ayaka has "Princes" and Right Manaka "Serpahim". If QM pulls this kind of twist we'll have many, many more servants to rule break or ally with. I wouldn't be surprised that as soon as Waver, Flat, Luvia and the others arrive they get Master Degrees based on the angelic hierarchy like in Prototype.
>>4701335You're really hung up on Ayaka getting Arthur aren't you?
>>4701338She has GIlgamesh, I personally want Shinji to get Arthur for himself for Saber face memes but without Manaka 2.0 happening. Besides, it would make giving Iskandar to Waver a lot less difficult if he already comes with command seals and the cured Alter servants to friends if they have command spells too.
>>4701341I don't think anybody is going to be doing any summoning except Orochi honestly. That's probably why he's not immediately following us.
>>4701341>>4701335With our luck we will get Brynhildr or Serenity you know?
>>4701346Hopefully Truth counters Serenity's poison.
>>4701346They willl be among Manaka's Alter Servants, I think with the amount of people we'll have with us by end game she'll have summoned all of the Servants from Fragments, and the Servants from our universe up until the Fourth Grail War.
>>4701086They'll figure out that disguising it as Justeaze will trick Zolgen all on their own?
>>4701350I don't think Manaka needs that many servants
>>4701366Her schtick is to raise dead servants and make them her slaves. If I recall correctly, in her own timeline she raised the Fragments servants and the dead servants from the prototype grail war. Why would you assume that she wouldn't have a bunch of servants to stall us while she taps into outer god power?
>>4701369Well she might have four sets of Servants, but I kinda doubt they'll be full Servants. Maybe Shadow Servants
>>4701369I just don't think that would be the case.A lot of this quest has been about trying to save servants from their fate so it wouldn't make sense to have the final battle be us cutting a path through dozens of servants.It's also a bit of a waste of the characters if they end up reduced to eleventh hour cannon fodder.
>>4701373I can't see anyone statting out three whole wars worth of Servants just to immediately kill them all off.It's pointless.
What I still can't understand is how Saber Alter fits
>>4701384She's probably like a corrupted record of Saber that was imprinted in the grail and drawn out by Manaka.That's my theory.
No matter how much magic we will pour into eldritch sacrifice it will not be new Alítheia.Truth is really potent but I think main ingredient required to make Truth based creatures are physical ingredients. So long as we avoid contributing two or three liters of blood or severed limbs we will avoid suprise daughters.As much as Zouken and his worms are disgusting, our Truth based analogue would have been extremly overpowered.
>>4701392Using worm magecraft with Truth would have been powerful, but worm magecradt is also emblematic of our family's fall into nihilism and depravity.That said, I think we'll eventually reach a greater level of damage negation than Zolgen did through our Truth Healing, as its always increasing in speed and potency.We might even get to the point where even attacks that would completely obliterate our body are instantly undone without even slowing us down.
I'm just wondering how powerful Alan and BB actually are.Alan casually stopped time but BB shouldn't be as strong outside of the Mooncell.It might be an idea to let Orochi eat BB so that Nyarlathotep can nuke him for us.I wonder how Truth would interact with the Mooncell.My money is it just being an admin command console. I want to hack the Mooncell.
>>4701405Think about it.Two birds with one stone!And BB looks like Sakura with god powers so he'd definitely want to eat her.
>>4701420>>4701405We don't know where BB is and we already have a plan in motion.
>>4701432Does our current plan get rid of the evil AI Sakura in human form?The sooner the bitch is gone the better.I fear for Shinji's resolve if she starts calling him Onii-chan.
>>4701435Eh, Alan will send her back as soon as we've dealt with Manaka. He's a bro. And I'm sure nothing bad will come out of an insane Mooncel AI with a grudge against us, specifically.
>>4701443It's a long shot but do you think with enough headpats we can rehabilitate an insane AI?
>>4701435BB isn't a free actor in this; nyarly's got her on a leash so Alan isn't going to let her fuck with us while we're doing the job nyarly wants us to do.
>>4701453Oh no.Sakura and BB might have feedback with each other.Will Magic Nullification be able to prevent it from having an effect on our Sakura?Will we slowly be able to turn BB into Sakura mentally through a one-way feedback exploitation?So many questions.
>>4701453We'd have to headpat each nanoangstrom of her 378.44 million miles of printed circuits to alleviate even a billionth of the hatred she feels for humanity.>>4701457The answer for this and all circumstances regarding two people with identical bodies and similar spirits is that they will magnetize and collide at high speeds, instantly disintegrating both in a fiery explosion.
>>4701400All of our pre-war preparations served us well but>Countermagic - Deny:Insanely broken but we only used it like once? As a joke with Rin.>Bounded Fields: The creation of bounded fields is a natural thing to Shinji. He can create bounded fields with all manner of effect, including one that melts organic material into sludge upon being triggered. However, he cannot create a bounded field that could turn that sludge into a usable form. His mastery over bounded fields extends to infiltrating the bounded fields of others, and even an Assassin class servant would have difficulty infiltrating the defenses he is capable of putting up undetected, given enough time and resources.I am certain most of us can`t even remember studying this. I am recalling it was last pre-war vote. At least Killing Arts gets remembered from time to time.At this point it seems correct that any magecraft we study will get Truth variation at some point. We really missed some potentially broken stuff there.>>4701405>>4701420Eat BB yourself, coward.
>>4701463Good point, we'll apply the concept of infinite headpats to her.
>>4701467>Countermagic - Deny:We haven't really fought anyone where this would be applicable though. Maybe if Orochi starts leaning into Zolgen's Magecraft.>>4701467>Bounded FieldsOur high-quality Bounded Fields are mentioned often in regards to our mantion, but I'd legit forgotten the part about infiltrating others and that should be pretty useful before this week's done.
>>4701467Our Countermagic would be good if all the Casters we meet weren't capable of Touhou level spam.I think our house has bounded fields on it.But yeah we don't use them much.
>>4701469>>4701470With Amethyst we can suprise enemy Casters with it I imagine.It is just that despite being really good they never played major role.In retrospective we really had some very intriguing stuff>Mystic Code Creation>Manipulation of Magic Crests>Formalcraft>Spiritual Surgery>SummoningAll of those and Dragon Core would make us a lot stronger.
>>4701467Most of the things we learned were a product of exploration with Truth magecraft and our reality Marble or as a product of having Touko teach us.A lot of it hasn't seen much use in this war but that's expected.Something that we should to is look into what's possible with a partial manifestation of our marble to lower energy costs.I feel like a lot of what's holding us back from doing more with Truth is having an incomplete understanding of its application, most of what we know if from precedent rather than theory.If our element was fire or some other 'real' element, we could think of new applications rather quickly as we could use our knowledge how the physical substance behaves physically and symbolically, but with Truth things are a lot more difficult.I also don't think its accurate to say that any magecraft could have a Truth variation, or would be more useful if done via Truth.Truth is very similar to the element of Nothingness as it has the ability to emulate other elements, but where Nothingness could be a simulation of something like fire or water, Truth constructs are the substance of Truth imbued with the concept of fire or water.One hallmark of Truth is that it's very energy intensive to keep manifested, as it is something actively targeted by Gaia's Counterforce.That means that if we wanted to do something like start a fire, instead of trying to maintain the concept of Burning on whatever we wanted to light or using Truth to create a fire, it would be more efficient to use a Fire rune.
>>4701491Speaking of Fire Runes, that's another thing we haven't really used, isn't it?
>>4701496It's very hard to make use of because we as players don't actually know what runes we have.
>>4701491Fair.I hope we get some time later to do proper experiments.>That means that if we wanted to do something like start a fire, instead of trying to maintain the concept of Burning on whatever we wanted to light or using Truth to create a fire, it would be more efficient to use a Fire rune.Now I think it depends on our target and goal. Fire of Truth could be something like Balefire from Wheel of Time or even Amaterasu from Naturo.But yeah you don`t use heavy rocket launcher with thermobaric weapon to start a campfire.
>>4701498>It's very hard to make use of because we as players don't actually know what runes we have.>Shinji has been taught how to use 18 of the Norse Runes thanks to his extensive training with Touko.So, pretty much all of her shit but the god runes. We probably also know Gandr, because every rune magus knows Gandr.
>>4701498There haven't really been many situations where runes would help much.A problem with runes is having to actually take the time to engrave them or trace them.You can use them for quite a few things but against Servants and Ancient Dead Apostles they are of limited use.
Anyway. Good afternoon thread.Give me twenty minutes to start writing.
>>4701511Hopefully we get at least two updates today. I know yer busy today. Keep up the great work :D
>Aid the Casters>>4700676>>4700688>>4700719>>4700963>>4701054>>4701104>>4701244>Call SHIKI>>4700678>>4700693>Call Shiki, Go see EMIYA and Illya, then go see the Casters>>4700729>Go aid the Casters and go see Rin>>4700773>Go see Aoko>>4701114>>4701276
>>4701501Exactly, Truth lies on opposite end of the spectrum of something like Waver's forensic alchemy.It's very impractical to use unless you need to rewrite reality or create supreme conceptual weapons.
>>4701540>conceptual weaponsIf our sword which killed Touko`s demon is indication of anything it is that our possible Mystical Codes and Magic Crest will be something else.If we already can heal them and add concepts to Reality Marbles applying same idea to Crests and Codes will make us more more valuable than Root access.
I'm been thinking about this for a good while but, couldn't Shirou make magic circuits? Before he actually learned magic the normal way he would convert his nerves to artificial circuits, couldn't he figure out how to make them more permanent, especially since he figured out projection and tracing
>>4701606We should bring these questions to Touko.Reines has her eyes which will be a problem, Waver has his magic crest problem, Kiritsugu will need a full repair. Shirou and his magic circuits is a related topic and if where is one person who can pass a judgment on it that would be Touko.
>>4701569When we have time to ourselves again is when our magecraft will really shine.>>4701606Magic circuits are already transforming nerves, Shirou was just using a bootleg process in order to create new circuits he could actually use since nobody told him how to activate the ones he was born with.Still, it might be worth looking into if we ever want to get into magical biomodification.>>4701612Speaking of, we really should get Waver out of that contract with Reines. She'll have a lot less to complain about if we fix her crest.
>>4701569no fucking jokewe're basically a walking buff to anything magical at this point, and if people learn we can mess with codes and crests, we're going to be even more vital to a future grail war.
Well, now that Waver is... somewhat informed about things, you won't need to keep worrying about him. While it is something of a pain that he's decided to bring some other people with him, you suppose that it's not that terrible that he's taking them with him. After all, now that Reines is coming to Fuyuki, you suppose you could offer to fix the El-Melloi Crest for her. Before this point you weren't exactly confident in being able to fend off the Mage's Association if they came for you after you did something like that, but at this point, you don't really fear them at all, you're going to be coming into conflict with them at some point in the future anyway, so you may as well make as many powerful allies within the ranks of the Clocktower as you can before they decide to oppose Mordred's hostile takeover of Britain. Of course, fixing Reines' Magic Crest isn't exactly a priority of yours, but it's very much something you can do. Actually, you might also see if she wants a pair of Mystic Eye Killers, it's not really like Shiki needs his own pair anymore, and Reines can often be inconvenienced by her Mystic Eyes overreacting to areas of abundant magical energy. Being able to detect magical energy like Reines is... well it's actually kind of useless. Of course, Reines' eyes are decent for precision analysis of things, but you really don't know the specifics, you'll just have to ask her if you really want to know the specifics. Still, she should be thankful to have a way to stop her eyes from catching on fire when there's too much magical energy around.
>>4701689There will be no future grail war after we take control of the grail. But a lot of people will be very interesting in vivisecting us if they find out we fixed Reines' crest.
You start to head downstairs to the basement where the Casters and Betty have already gone, and you start to think about how likely this plan actually is to work. If you make the sacrifice Divine, then that should trick the Orochi part of the equation quite easily, but... with the intelligence of Zolgen Makiri at the disposal of the Divine Spirit, you know that it may not be so easy as just leaving out an obvious trap for him and expecting him to devour it on account of it having divinity alone. Perhaps if you gave it a form that Zolgen would let his guard down around, you'd have better luck, thankfully, this does give you a few ideas over just what sort of form you could request this lifeform take. The first thing that springs to mind is having it take the form of Justeaze wearing the Dress of Heaven, the one and only woman that Zolgen Makiri ever truly loved. Then again, you could perhaps take another means of tricking him. You're sure that if you had the created life look like you, that he'd be overwhelmed by his hatred for you and devour the sacrifice, though it might not be so simple for him to accept you having divinity if you did that. Same goes for if you had the created sacrifice take Sakura's form. The only other idea you have is having it take the form of Susanoo himself, but you don't know what Susanoo looks like, and it's unlikely that Tamamo actually has access to the memories of Amaterasu, even with Four of her tails.As you're about to head down the actual stairs to the basement with everyone else, you hear a light knocking on the front door of the house. Whoever could it be? Ciel, maybe? But would she really know to come here? It's not like there was any real way that somebody could track you to this house considering you warped everyone here. Then perhaps Gilgamesh? Though he's not the sort of person to knock at all. It's not likely to be Waver considering that the man shouldn't even be arriving in Fuyuki for some time yet, and the same goes for the rest of your allies.Then who? Who on Earth could it be knocking at Rin's door? You stare at the door for some time as you ponder whether it's worth answering it or just letting Rin do it. It is her house, after all.>Ignore the knocking and just head down to the basement.>Call out to Rin, tell her to answer her door while you go help the Casters and Betty.>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.>Write-in...
>>4701695>>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.>>4701694>But a lot of people will be very interested in vivisecting us if they find out we fixed Reines' crest.Just deal with Enforcers the same way Touko does.
>>4701694Fate Strange Fake>>4701695>>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.I don't want Rin to get got so we gotta take the bullet
>>4701695>>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.Its Taiga probably, she would know where Rin lives. Shinji, Shirou, Sakura and Rin probably missed many days of school which worried the hell out of her.
>>4701695>Ignore the knocking and just head down to the basement.We now know for sure the bait won't work without our personal touch. The sooner we get this done the better.
>>4701695>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.Taiga. Or Merlin. Or Master of Sasaki. Or Alan with BB.Or maybe even Manaka asking to help with Orochi.>>4701624>>4701689>>4701694If WhatIs has some far plans ahead we might get something like: Post-war small time skip into Melty Blood into another small time skip into combination of our version of Apocrypha and Dark Six.Unless we break the setting by that point or derail everything with Apotheosis Nyarly promised us. But I could see double isekai into parallel universe happening just to make things even weirder. Like Rin summoning us as SHINJI for FSN speedrun. That would be fun filler.
>>4701695>Answer the door, it's probably just a concerned schoolmate.I get the feeling we shouldn’t ignore this. I doubt its Gil but who knows.