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The Grail War continues, and you've already managed to save almost half of your corrupted allies. Things are going well!

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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"You know, we might be taking this a little far, in a way, she could be called your sister, Sakura." As entertaining as the prospect of continuing to bully BB is, there's really not much point to it. There's not really much you can say that will probably make her feel worse about the situation as it is anyway. After all, she's been stripped of all of her powers, taken from her original world, and forced to work by somebody with motives that even she cannot possibly begin to comprehend. It's no wonder that she's nowhere near the sort of teasing prankster she normally is. Hell, the one time she tried something like that, she was immediately punished for it by being slapped against a stone wall. Though Sakura did at least make sure not to use so much force as to actually properly hurt BB.

"My sister? Her?" Sakura looks at BB incredulously. "Are you sure about that, Onii-chan? I know that she... almost looks just like me, but didn't you say that she's an AI?" Sakura doesn't sound like she agrees with your sudden assertion that BB should be treated as a sister, but it's honestly the best way you can think of dealing with BB. After all, for all of BB's bluster, she doesn't actually hate humanity nearly as much as she says she does, and having somebody like Sakura to treat her with kindness to try to set her on the right path might just be the thing that the girl needs to develop herself. It's not like she's really had much of a chance to do so before. Hell, you're pretty sure she even envies some of the Alter-Ego for their further development while she has mostly remained unchanged since her conception, though she's chilled out just a little, thankfully.

"Well, a fully sentient AI indistinguishable from a human in her level of sapience, sure. In fact, as she is now, I believe she may actually have been given a full human body by Nyarlathotep. Though seemingly one without magic circuits, then again, I doubt BB would know how to use Magic Circuits anyway, apparently. it's all about... what was it... Spiritron Hacking...? In the future." Honestly, when it comes to magical principles, BB shouldn't be very good at even figuring out the basics. Of course, the more advanced stuff can sort of be translated from both what she can do in a digital realm to what is generally possible with magecraft, but the basic knowledge of how to properly use Magic Circuits is something that BB probably doesn't have. Which is hilarious. If you had to compare it to something, it wouldn't simply be that she learned how to run before she could walk, it would be more like learning how to perform advanced acrobatics instead of learning how to walk instead. "Of course, it's really up to BB how she feels about this too."
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"Really? You're... really going to offer me something like that?" BB sounds a little bit surprised by your sudden offer of kinship to Sakura. You don't know why she's that surprised though, while you may have originally had some dislike for her, she should've already realized that you seem to have a weakness to those who share Sakura's face and in her case, aspects of her personality. You just don't seem to find yourself capable of holding negative emotions about them for very long.

"Of course. While I'm very much aware of just what you have done and are very much capable of doing, I'm not going to hold your past actions against you if you actually promise to be good for now on, at least for the duration of your stay in my world." You don't really care what BB gets up to in other timelines, those are a very much 'out of sight, out of mind' situation for you. After all, you can't really bring yourself to care for all the other timelines, especially when your version of Alaya doesn't either. After all, there are some timelines that are simply doomed, and there's nothing you can do for them without outright going there to fix them yourself, and while that does sound like it might be interesting, it also sounds like it could be a royal pain in the ass. No, if you're going to ever explore other timelines, it will really only be for your own amusement. After all, so long as your own timeline is fine, there's really nothing that events from other branches could do to effect you. There are a very limited amount of ways that things in other worlds could affect you, and seeing as the Incineration of Mankind and the destruction of Earth's Texture were limited to only the timelines of the worlds of Grand Order, you don't really feel like you'll need to concern yourself with playing timeline police. Well, maybe if Alaya asked you really nicely, you might.

"Didn't you say this was my choice, Onii-chan?" Sakura sounds a little bit put-out by how you're taking command of the situation, and you frown a little bit.

"I did, Sakura, but I don't really want you to mistreat BB here, she's not exactly had the opportunity to have many life experiences, after all. It might be nice if she were to actually be given the opportunity to be able to live a somewhat normal life, outside of all the nonsense that takes place within the Moon Cell." Really, it's not a bad offer, all things considered. It's also not at all like she'd be able to live a normal life if she returned to Chaldea either, considering that Chaldea only really exists in the first place because human life in that world... doesn't really exist anymore.
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"Mmmm... Fine. If that's how you want it to be, how about this! I'll treat BB as my sister in private, while when we're out and about, she'll take the role of a puppet of myself that was designed to act as a maid!" Sakura claps her hands together happily as she makes her declaration. "Wouldn't it be easier to explain things like that to everyone, Onii-chan?" Sakura turns to you with a pleading expression on her face. Looks like the idea of treating BB like a sister has given her another idea for some strange reason. How strange. "She'd be my own sister that nobody else knew about!" Well, other than the fact that every non-magical person would make the assumption immediately. You really don't want to spend any more time than you have to on dealing with this though.

>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"No, BB deserves to be given a little more respect than that."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
>Write-in...
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>>4729480
nice shiny OP image, is that motherfuckin Cu i see in the background? That's foreboding

>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
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Who's that behind the op image?
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>>4729494
Cu.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
Yep, I think it will.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."

>>4729492
>>4729494
Yeah kinda looks like it
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>>4729494
Its Lancer in Hollow Ataraxia, I would pull up the image but the wiki won't let me, just look it up on his wiki page
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>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
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>>4729485
>>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
We should get BB to teach us Spiritron Hacking at some point. Magic that can be sent over phones and emails that doesn't degrade would be awesome.
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>>4729494
>>4729496
>Cu Alter
Have Ayaka take off her glasses infront of him and he'll be cured of grail mud like what happened with SAlter Proto. Her otome powers are strong enough to clean Grail corruption on her male love interests guys.
>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729508
I don't think he's true Alter, just pushed to become a Berserker. Bazett would be able to sort him out, if we cured her before him.
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now that we have an excuse to talk about Cu cause of the OP image, I think its gonna be like a Medusa situation where Manaka combined multiple servant classes of Cu (Caster, Berserker, Lancer, Saber, Rider, Archer apparently) into one. I think someone said he was fused with Odin, i don't think that's true, i think he's tapping into his Odin powers that are innate in him, especially when he's a Caster. Kinda surprised that Shuten didn't turn into Ibuki-douji, I guess Manaka thought it was too much or that she couldn't be controlled.

>>4729508
He's gonna be a bitch to fight because we weren't close like we were with Medusa or Shuten, I genuinely think we might have to get Ayaka to distract him. Unironically, that was how his friends would get him to stop when he Warp Spasm rampaged, they'd get a pretty girl to flash him so it buys them enough time to get him under control
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>>4729512
A raven landed on Cu when he died. I don't think it's Odin, or that he has more than one classes combined. Medusa was special, there's a reason God sent us after her specifically.
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The next few scenes ought to be fun to write.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
I`ll go with both since while I think Sakura`s idea is fine for now it is rather important to ask BB for consent just to cement it in the good spirit.
Not that BB could refuse us here.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/lkw9xm/summary_of_the_caster_cu_chulainnodin_theory/
apparently there's a theory that Caster Cu isn't Cu at all but Odin

>>4729519
Cu was taught Odin's Runes by Scathach which were millions of times more powerful than the Celtic ones
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
>headpat both girls
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>>4729492
>>4729485
>>4729528
switching to this, this is the superior and patrician choice
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>>4729528
>headpat both girls
Supporting this too. At the same time as well.
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>>4729525
Yes, I don't deny Cu is connected with Odin. I just don't think it's him. Could be Caster Cu, I suppose, instead of Berserker, but I think it's less likely than Berserker. And being both at the same time even more so.
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Calling in 30 minutes.
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>>4729538
we need to headpat illya too.
shame all this shit is happening at once, i want to chill with all of then.
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>>4729535
I think him being combined with his Caster and Berserker selves would make him a monster. His runes are absurd and Warp Spasm would force our hand and make it so we HAVE to deal with him
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>>4729485
>>4729528
Support.
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>>4729485
>>4729504
>>4729528
I can't resist giving headpats. Switching to this.
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>>4729541
We need to give Kerry his body back so he can headpat her too.
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>>4729509
Switching to this>>4729528
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>>4729496
Fuckin Cu Alter is a fucking threat, he's a goddamn menace
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>>4729485
>>4729528
+1
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Can you believe that we've now had more threads post hiatus than we had pre-hiatus?
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>>4729614
Nice milestone. Feels like it was yesterday.
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>>4729614
You're probably the most active QM I've seen.
Good on you.
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>>4729614
you write a lot and people argue a lot
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>>4729619
I've seen more active. Before the dark times, before /qst/.
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We have rune magecraft we never use. Does anyone know what Shinji can use that for because why use truth when something else can be used at a lower cost.

Also can we add truth or concepts to runes or what they produce. For example fire rune then add the concept of anti-god or god eating to do damage on Orochi. Does anyone know if this is possible?

Plus can we create an anti-divine/dragon bounded field using truth? How long would that take to setup? Should we use it as a trap?
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>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"

How didn't think BB would flip so fast from a little kindness. Also does Sakura have a weird fetish or does she somehow know Shinji's maid fetish?
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>>4729614
Yeah, I can. With Elegy not being active, you went full force on Paradox Reincarnator.

>>4729625
The Age of Gods is long gone, unfortunately.
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>>4729626
comparing primoradial runes and the runes we know is like comparing a nuke and a fire cracker. You do have a solid idea with the bounded fields though, our bounded fields are supposed to be abusrd

>>4729629
both, Sakura loves bullying people and she's a caring sister
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>>4729625
Tell us a story of the good old times, grandpa.

>>4729626
We used rune magic to track down Candle-Kun in that basement. It has the drawback that it takes time to setup, and we usually don't have time when we're casting.

I suppose we could add Truth to runes, but why use a Truth infused fire rune when we can just use Truth fire instead? We did just that to clear Sakura from worms.

Bounded fields take time to setup. We can use it as a trap, but we'll have to lure our opponent to a prepared field. And I don't think we can hide the existence of a bounded field.
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>>4729614
Yes, all your pre hiatus work was while multi-questing.
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>>4729636
I'm not comparing prime runes, I'm just saying we could add truth to them or their result. My example was casting the fire rune and use truth to add a concept like anti-divine or devour to hurt Orochi without using truth rays.
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>>4729634
It's mostly just that I have more time to write nowadays.
When I finally return to Elegy, it'll probably have the same pace as this quest.
Though I'm not certain whether I should reboot or do a pseudo-sequel for Elegy.
Elegy did plod around for a while, and the early parts of the quest could've done with far more planning than they actually had.
While I didn't end up writing myself into a corner, there were definitely a few things I probably could and should have done differently.
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>>4729638
It's something I like to call the Casting Time Dilemma, where anything that can't be cast while a Noble Phantasm is flying at your face is infinitely less viable than something you can.
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>>4729638
The reason is truth fire takes more energy, so if we can add properties to regular fire at a lower cost it's more fuel efficient. It's stuff I've been thinking of since we had magical boy Shinji. We couldn't use truth beams because they require charge up and attacks normally using truth tire Shinji out.

So far the constant use of truth that works is the sword. Which makes Shinji a close range combatant. We need some ranged skills.

Also why do we use truth swords instead of pulsing truth in h2h or creating gauntlets?
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>>4729647
Wait can we not use magic energy to write out runes like Cu? Shit?
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>>4729648
>Also why do we use truth swords instead of pulsing truth in h2h or creating gauntlets?
Different forms of manifested truth have different properties depending on what you manifest unless you want to spend the extra time and energy defining the concepts for whatever you manifest.
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>>4729652
Also swords are cool.
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>>4729650
Every time we've made a Rune, it was with physical material.
We don't have any kind of magecraft that would allow us to draw runes with magical energy, and Touko either doesn't have that kind of thing either, or for some reason decided we didn't need the massive advantage of being able to create Runes without material or a surface.
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>>4729650
This is why it was suggested in the early threads to take up smoking like Touko. So we can use lit cigarettes to trace runes.
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Let's do what Lancer Cu or his master does with runes. Use them on our clothes to boost ourselves or add effects.

Also create some rune rocks that are buffed using truth to get around cast time.

Maybe make some rocks that when placed around the area forms an anti-divine bounded field. Failing that maybe the casters can help create a bounded field that is easily hidden.
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>>4729629
Sakura still has a dark side in our timeline, as a result of the 8 years of torture she suffered. And thanks to us, she's never had to confront it, or come to terms with it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing we saved her from that, just something we should keep in mind.

>>4729647
Yeah, pretty much.

>>4729648
Casting time is serious drawback. We can use the first line of our Aria to reduce the mana cost of Truth if we want to. The drawback is revealing the presence of our unfinished Reality Marble, and I'm not sure how much we should care about that.

It's a shame we never trained archery. Truth-infused arrows would have been nice.

>>4729655
picrel
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>>4729648
swords are cool
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>>4729656
Touko usually uses a cigarette to trace a rune in the air if she needs one.
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>>4729656
she can do it while with a lit cigarette
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Damn can our kaledostick speed up the casting then? I'm pretty sure theyake spell circles, even if the rune idea isn't viable in normal mode.
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>>4729661
>And thanks to us, she's never had to confront it, or come to terms with it.
Idk how she can really confront it beyond us making sure that Zouken is deader than dead. She’s reunited with her sister, she has friends and she’s taken care of, don't know what else we can do
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>>4729659
>or his master
Oh shit, completely forgot about Scáthach last thread. She's definitely as popular as Jeanne, Astolfo.and Nero.
Kinda surprised people didn't mention her before. She's usually the first people wanna waifu.
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>>4729673
we did talk about her, we just don't really have any way at the moment to calling her, i think.
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>>4729673
You know what's funny, I meant Bazett not Scathach.

Also damn Shinji is a physical juggernaut but when it comes to projecting magecraft long range he's kinda shit. Truth requires too much energy to really become a ranged threat unless we can figure out a workaround.
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>>4729673
I would 100% want her summoned but we can't, she's technically still alive in the Land of Shadows so you can't summon her unless you pull some bullshit like Mordred summoning Morgan or Olga summoning Merlin
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After this if we have time we should go to the reverse side to get a dragon to ride and maybe see if Scaryach would like to train mc.
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>>4729663
That's badass
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>>4729685
Scathatch isn't in the reverse side of the world.
She's Outside of the World.
Reaching her would require a pathway that could otherwise be used to reach the Root.
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>>4729685
We have a dragon to ride.
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>>4729672
In HF she confronts her darkness by succumbing to it, and only in the end does she truly accept herself and moves past it. We obviously don't want that to happen here. I hope killing Zouken with her will help (which is why I wanted us to wait until the chopper got here before we confronted him), but what will help more is if we actually sit down and try talking to her in private. We kinda took her for granted after we saved her.

>>4729673
We did bring her up in an older thread. WhatIs said summoning her from where she currently would be extremely difficult.

>>4729685
We already have a dragon to ride, anon.

And did Google just crap out for anyone else?
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>>4729696
I don't think we want to ride our daughter into battle.
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>>4729690
What does she even do there? She can't leave, right?´
Also I know almost all magi want to reach the Root, but what exactly do they hope to find there?
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>>4729698
Why? I think we very much do.
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>>4729699
>but what exactly do they hope to find there?
everything.
anything
The Truth
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>>4729696
>WhatIs said summoning her from where she currently would be extremely difficult.
Yeah we'd basically have to incarnate Cu and give him the means to summon Scathach


>but what will help more is if we actually sit down and try talking to her in private.
And say what exactly?
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>>4729699
Infinite Knowledge/Power/Godhood
The smart ones just stare at it, whereas people who actually touch it are erased.
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You know what lets buys a gun and create anti-divine bullets, anti-regen or divine poison.
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>>4729696
i just saw a method in the older threads how to summon Scáthach here.

> Nyarlathotep didn't seem to have any difficulty in snatching even somebody like BB out of her own timeline with apparent ease. You wonder if you could've asked him to do something like move
Scáthach out of the Land of Shadows, though you don't know whether or not she would've appreciated that sort of thing. Still, it's kind of worth thinking about.

it will involve asking nyarly for help which might be a bad idea.
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>>4729708
Ok I know having another waifu is tempting but let's fucking not make a deal with the Outer God who's whole point is to tempt and destroy humans with shiny things, may as well go the Cu summoning route if we really want to
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>>4729708
Could she deal with Cú by herself? Not too sure of her power level.
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>>4729715
She's a Gilgamesh level servant, someone he would automatically need to get serious with or else he dies
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>>4729704
>And say what exactly?
That's a good question. Maybe just try talking to her about all the emotional baggage she still has? It would help even if we just listen, I think, and it certainly can't hurt more than what we're currently doing.. No reason to completely preplan the conversation, good chances it'll get derailed anyway.

>>4729715
I think Bazett would be better for dealing with Cu, if we can get her first.
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>>4729720
Just asking because I remember she lost against Berserker Cú in FGO, and this one might be even stronger.
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>>4729722
Cu Alter was amped up by the Grail and he stated he needed to take her seriously cause she could still kill him, I actually don't think she died either. She has jobber status so she doesn’t have the best showing even though she's hyped up a shit ton

>>4729721
I don't think Bazett is an option right now
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>>4729724
She's certainly easier to get than Scathach.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729728
I have a feeling we're gonna be forced to face Cu soon and that fucker is built for stalling, he stalled Gilgamesh for 12 hours
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>>4729733
WhatIs has certainly foreshadowed this enough. God's plan still stands though: We have to ignore his distractions and head straight to Orochi.
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>>4729696
I wonder if we could do something similar to what happened with Medusa and Gorgon with Sakura and Dark Sakura. Having that power without the mind fuck would be nice.
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>>4729738
the thing is we're not gonna be able to ignore an amped up Cu, unless Medea can teleport everyone and we know she can't.
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>>4729739
Hmm, that's not a bad idea at all, actually. We helped both Betty and Medusa by diving into their mind. Worth a shot to do the same with our sisterwife.

>>4729740
And yet we have to. We can't allow him to distract us. Who said following God's plan would be easy?
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>>4729740
How about we take Cu, and push him somewhere else?
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>>4729749
Medea has to touch to teleport someone away. Would not recommend.
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>>4729754
Also it doesn't work to good if you have Magic Resistance
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>>4729754
Not true actually, remember when she cut our leg off?
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>>4729758
She can bring people to her. She can send people away from her. She cannot transport people from one point without acting as the middle point.
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The only risk of kiting Cu around is he gets eaten by Orochi as he's Divine, which potentially lets Orochi gain Protection From Arrows on top of all his other skills. Orochi might be able to start vomiting up Gae Bolg projectiles or coat it's hide in the Curriud's bonespikes and be a giant pointy Gae Bolg monstrosity with projectile nullification.

We haven't read a contract in full yet so we don't know if they have specific orders to get vored if they encounter the snake.
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>>4729759
*from one point to another, fuck phoneposting.
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>>4729761
We know they have specific orders to not help the snake, so I assume not. Manaka wasn't that much of a dick about this.

Do we have anyone who could succeed in pulling Cu away without dying in the process?
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We could just have Shuten or whoever throw him.
He's only 70 kilograms, and as far as we know he can't really arrest his momentum at mach speeds.
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>>4729765
Karna can draw aggro, Alcidies too. They could work in tandem even and just keep harassing him with arrows, even if they're mostly nullified by PFA.

Enhance/Ciel/SHIKI/Shuten can likely all tank Gae Bolg, we'd have to cure the curse inflicted afterwards though.
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>>4729765
unironically, we can use Ayaka to bait him but then Gilgamesh comes in
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I wonder if Alcides could come to respect Karna as despite his Divinity he's not a manipulative cunt and he too was just dragged along by the whims of the gods and stripped of his birth right in life. Their stories have a lot of parallels.
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>>4729769
Gae Bolg doesn't work if you have high luck either, if we're throwing people at him, may as well Rule Breaker him
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>>4729769
We have to deal with Orochi at the same time though. We need Alcides. Karna is a god, so he'd be of limited usefulness against the snake.

Sounds like a solid Cu-blocking team while the rest of us (sans gods) go do what's actually important.
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"OK Sakura, I think that arrangement will work fine." Honestly, it's the best of both worlds in a way. In public, BB has to act as a maid, and be taught some humility from it, while in private, Sakura will hopefully show her new sister some affection. The two of them might have more in common with one another than they might first have thought. Well, that's probably a given, considering just what BB is. A copy of a copy she might be, but at her core, there's still a Sakura. It's a... little bit different for the Alter-Egos, considering each of them only make up one aspect of BB's own personality, and thus can't really be compared in the same way that BB can be compared to the original Sakura here. "But... BB, I need to ask you for your thoughts before letting this happen, are you OK with this?"

"Anything beats having to stand around and pretend to be an emotionless puppet. Sure, I'll be your maid, Sakura!" BB seems to have a few reservations about the idea, but honestly, considering the alternative, it's definitely better for her. Nobody is born evil... Except Kirei, you suppose. But even then, a mental condition of only being able to draw enjoyment from suffering doesn't mean Kirei was born to be evil, in fact, if not for Gilgamesh's coercion, Kirei would've probably just lived out his days without ever truly feeling satisfied before he died. Had he done that, you couldn't exactly call him good or evil, but a solid... well, neutral. There is a capacity for good and evil in all people, it's just that some people... are more naturally inclined to take certain paths, you guess.

"Now now, if we're going to be doing this, then you will refer to me as Ojou-sama in public and Onee-san in private. Do you understand, BB-chan?" Sakura corrects BB, and already it seems like she is warming up to the idea of having another version of herself around. You weren't expecting the girl to be so accepting of BB, especially not after hearing her outlandish backstory, but then again, out of everyone you know, it's probably Sakura who is most adjusted to the odd things that can happen around you. Well, outside of perhaps Touko, maybe Monica too.

"I... understand, Onee-san." BB gives Sakura an uncertain smile, not knowing how she's actually going to be treated by the girl. It's probably a new experience for BB to be left completely without power no greater than even a human that she claims to despise. Nyarlathotep really does have a sick sense of humor, doesn't he? To turn the AI who claims nothing but hatred for humanity into one herself. Then again, BB doesn't truly completely hate humanity, so... getting to experience being a human for real might actually be something like an experience she never thought she'd get to actually have happen to her. To truly be able to live life as a human, fully separated from the worries of the Moon Cell and Chaldea, at least for some time. This might be something of a blessing in disguise for BB, in actuality.
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>>4729773
EMIYA doesn't have the best of luck. I really don't want to risk Medea against him. Shirou and Saber would be a good choice, their Avalons would keep them alive. Shame they're both indisposed at the moment.
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"Well then, I'm going to leave you two sisters to get yourselves properly acquainted with each other, also... I guess that makes me your brother too, BB." You smirk at the AI, who looks a little panicked by the realization. "Also, you can't keep calling yourself 'BB' it's not a real name, I suggest you have Sakura help you come up with one to use." Honestly, BB? What does it stand for? Back-Up Body? Black Blossom? Honestly, there are just too many potential word combinations that it could stand for. It's also entirely possible that it stands for nothing at all, and BB is just pranking everyone by making them guess as to something that never had meaning in the first place, though you doubt she'd go about giving herself a false name just for the sake of such a thing. If that were the case, she probably already would've revealed it already to somebody. Whatever 'BB' stands for, it's something truly precious to her, a secret she won't dare reveal to anybody. "But seriously, I need to go and see the Casters now, I want to see if they've made any progress on what I asked them for." It's somewhat surprising that Sakura somehow knew that there was a part of you that wanted to have BB act as a maid. Then again, you probably said something about trustworthy maids for the house out loud at some point... and there is the fact that you may or may not have once accidentally ordered a set of uniforms for an entire staff of maids when you once considered just hiring mundane maids and hoping they never uncovered something they shouldn't. Honestly though, it was just sounded like it would create more problems than it would solve.

"OK, Onii-chan..." Sakura sounds a little bit disappointed, before you suddenly walk up to BB and Sakura without any warning, and smile warmly at the two girls.

"There's just one more thing I wanted to do before going." You quickly raise both of your hands and simultaneously head-pat both Sakura and BB. Both girls are stunned for a moment, before Sakura's expression quickly turns to an appreciative one. BB's reaction however is a little bit more comical, and unexpectedly, the head pat manages to earn an embarrassed blush from the usually teasing girl. Ironic that the tables are so easy to turn on her, even after she basically forced you to grope her earlier on, and she's still getting embarrassed by something like this? You honestly don't know if you'll ever understand women.
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You leave BB and Sakura to it as you finally open the door to Rin's workshop that has been practically stolen by the Casters in the house. Surprisingly, there are more people in the room than you were expecting. Of course, Medea, Morgan and Tamamo are in the room, all of them are staring down at a shining metal rectangle that seems to be floating in the air, powered by some sort of magic circle underneath it. Clutching to the Medea's robes is Alítheia, who Medea gently pats on the head even while working on the magical creation. Touko is in the room too, staring at the magical item with great interest, she's also not smoking, either because she got a warning from Caster not to smoke around Alítheia, or she just decided that smoking around a kid wasn't right. Then again, Alítheia is pretty much the ultimate dragon, you're pretty certain that she could inhale all the smoke from a damn forest fire and not be any the worse for wear for it. While Alítheia has shown herself capable of wielding Truth, can she still use the flame of a dragon too? Then again, you suppose that Truth can easily take on the form and properties of fire. Alítheia... she really stands to be a terrifyingly powerful being when she's grown up.

"Ah! Master!" Caster is quick to realize you finally entered the room. "I was wondering where you were, but decided that you would've preferred not to have been bothered, though I was about to call you anyway, seeing as... well, we all had to work together to get it created so quickly." She glances at Tamamo and Morgan for a second before turning her attention back to you, but we managed to created the map you wanted." She gestures at the large floating rectangle of silver. "We were just about to test it for the first time, now it's in a completely operable state." Medea sounds awfully pleased with herself, though it doesn't look impressive just yet, you have the feeling you're about to change your opinion on the device.

"Very well, Medea, show me just what this thing can do." You smile at the woman as you ask her for a demonstration.
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"As you wish, Master." She turns to the rectangle, and begins to speak. "Chártis Ermís! Activate!" Chártis Ermís? Looks like Medea got to pick the name of the item, and chose Greek. Though the naming practices used for the map soon become unimportant to you as the silver tablet begins to take the form of Fuyuki City and the forests outside of it. Then, tens of thousands of lights begin to show up all around the map, and you are almost blinded. "Excellent. It works as was intended." Tamamo and Morgan look somewhat pleased with themselves, but none look more pleased than Medea herself. "By tapping into the leylines of the area, we created an artifact that can register all the magical energy of everything within the bounds of this city, and by tuning down the sensitivity, we can tune it to only show the presence of Servants..." As the lights dim your attention turns to the forests outside of the city. You see a huge shining light from the Einzbern Castle that overwhelms whatever other lights might be shining in the mansion. There is no light being emanated from the temple, looks like Manaka's bounded fields block that. There are a few more... anomalies though. There's a group of bright lights somewhere to the east of the Einzbern Mansion. A fair distance, a group of... six? There's another four lights to the far south of that group too, and another one that is seemingly traveling all by itself. Then there's a few more things that draw your attention elsewhere in the city, like the strange distortion on the map that makes it look more like a miniature black hole. Something sucking in light rather than giving any off. There's another bright light in the city, while not as great as the one representing Orochi, it's still the second brightest light on the map. Finally, there strangely seems to be two of the lights at the Fuyuki docks. What a helpful device this is!

>>Pick what you want to scry on first.
>Have Caster scry on the Einzbern Castle, see if you can see anything going on there.
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
>Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
>Write-in...
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>>4729774
its a fucking stupid idea to go against Orochi without our whole team, we deal with Cu then we go towards Orochi, God said to deal with the people going against Orochi too and Manaka is clearly one of them

>>4729777
We'll figure out how to rejuvenate them, we have 3 Casters

>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
GUYS ITS FUCKING BILLY AND THIRD LANCER
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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Group of six are Orochi's servants, sans Assassin.
Miniature Black hole is Tesla
Two lights are Billy and Lancer
Four lights are probably Waver and his group, though I'm not entirely certain.
Wild guess, but the second largest source of magical energy is Gilles.

>>4729787
God was extremely clear that we should ignore the allies Manaka twisted against us.

And they fucking die if they get Bolg'd, anon. No rejuvenation that.
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>>4729784
Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Let's save them before vore.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
BILLY BILLY BILLY BILLY BILLY BOYYYY
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>>4729795
there's a difference between running around and trying to save our friends and dealing with an enemy that's attacking us
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4729802
Remember how we dealt with Tesla attacking us? That's the playbook for Cu if he does.
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Unfortunately, only a three update day today. Ah well. I figure you'd probably do better with more time to decide when it comes to this vote.
It's fairly important.
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Oh yeah, what happened to Taiga anyway? Where is she now?
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
>call waver to see if he wants something
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>>4729807
At Shirou's house?
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>>4729806
No problem. It's certainly a nice place to pause.

>>4729807
She's at Shirou's house, and she's a Master.
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>>4729807
We looked her up, she's safe and has a servant, possibly Sasaki since we were with her earlier on in the quest and had no command seal and Sasaki is a late entry cause of the Mordred paradox
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.

Let's scry waver really quick, also which one is the enhance? The second light should be Gil so we should check in with Shiki.
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>>4729806
WhatIs, is there any reason the one that is seemingly traveling all by itself is not one of the provided options?
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>>4729812
>>4729810
>>4729809
Shouldn't we do something about that? If she's a master we need to talk to her, she might get attacked. At the very least call her.
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>>4729817
Not especially, I just figured that nobody would really care for it.
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Is the one by itself second lancer?
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>>4729820
I'd agree with you but we need to deal with Orochi as fast as possible, unless we're absolutely forced to look into things, we should keep it on the backburner
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>>4729820
can't medea just teleport her to us i assume she's capable of that since she was trying to teleport us when she cut off our foot.
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>>4729820
We've been kinda busy putting out fires today. Something to do for sure at the first opportunity.

>>4729821
Waver said one of his groups was traveling separately, so that's who I'm assuming it is. Still, had to check.

Missing from my guess at >>4729795:
Gilgamesh: Might be the second largest source of magic. In that case, Ayaka is not strong enough to register on the map. Or Gilgamesh and Ayaka could be the two lights, I suppose.

Cu and Bazett: Either could be the second largest source of magic, or maybe Manaka put them together and they're the two lights.

Enhance: Could be the lone light, but it's way out in the middle of nowhere when he should still in the city.

Taiga's Servant is either Second Assassin or Sasaki, so he wouldn't be on the map in either case.

Anyone else I'm forgetting?

>>4729836
She can, but we figured she'd be safe enough for now and opted not to do that without sending Shirou to talk to her first, and we've been running nonstop ever since.
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>>4729836
Her servant might attack to protect her. I say call her first, and maybe ask her if we can teleport her, or at least meet with her.
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>>4729841
>>4729843
we should call her as soon as possible then someone might target her.
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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i really hope its Billy and Lancer, we need more bros
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>>4729821
Can we get a list confirming who is currently at the house WhatIs to help planning?

I can't remember if Ciel got teleported with us or not. Also, are we to assume Ibaraki's Oni troop is now outside the bounds of the map?
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>>4729784
>Praise Medea and the other Casters.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Scrying the black hole would be a mistake, Tesla would just eat the scrying spell. Scrying on Orochi would probably alert him. I don't have a strong enough opinion about the other options to go against the grain, but I could be convinced I guess.

In any case, we should definitely offer some praise for this wonderful map. And Medea crafting a powerful artifact with one hand while holding our daughter with the other was a very nice image.
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>>4729870
Ciel and Karna got teleported with us, Dante stayed behind. We should have everyone other than him available.
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We should start editing an actual map so it's easier to visualise too. Here's a base with common locations labelled.

Gil was in the expensive part of Miyama Town correct? But last time we checked up he was armoured and moving with Ayaka.

The train line should place anyone travelling into Fuyuki within the area around Shinto Town when they disembark, then they'd need to catch a smaller form of transport towards Rin's house were we currently are. So that was both Waver's group and Wukong + her Master iirc
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>>4729887
You're right, the map will be helpful. This puts the group of six right in the path between us and Einzbern Mansion. Welcoming committee probably. The group of four and the lone light are south and out of bounds of the map. Shouldn't Waver be closer? And I though Sun and her Master were already here. If the group of two is indeed Billy and Lancer, I wonder what they're doing over there all the way from Einzbern Mansion. Did the Einzbern have a secret route connecting it to the harbor?

Also
>By tapping into the leylines of the area, we created an artifact that can register all the magical energy of everything within the bounds of this city, and by tuning down the sensitivity, we can tune it to only show the presence of Servants...

Would Waver's group really be strong enough to register as Servants?
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I'm leaning towards Wavers group for more bodies or Orochi info collection. Anything other then that are distractions. Zouken cannot get more time to do shit.
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>>4729903
The thought process is that they summoned servant already.
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>>4729909
How could they? None of them are able to hack the grail to do something like that.
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>>4729903
They probably just yeeted as far away as possible from orochi.

Kaleido-Sapphire Luvi would register, Flat is an autistic savant but his magical energy might not be enough. Kairi and Waver probably wouldn't, Gray came too didn't she? She would have a Dragon Core due to Artoria's summoning even though Rhongobongo is sealed so she might show as a servant.

t's safe to assume Sasaki and anyone with Presence Concealment won't show, which means Wukong may not show due to Shapeshifted PC. We can test this theory by seeing the number of lights where we are, or maybe even having Karna help us scry so he can use his Clairvoyance + Discernment skills to see through anything obfuscated.
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>>4729920
Flat would accidentally hack the Grail and summon some absurd servant like Archer Rama or Scathach
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>>4729920
Tracked down our phonecall with Waver

>"Good timing, Shinji. I just touched down at the airport about an hour ago and am on the train to Fuyuki right now, we should be at Fuyuki in... about twenty minutes."

Surely we spent more than twenty minutes inside Medusa's mind. Waver's group was Waver, Gray, Reines, Luvia, Flat and Kairi. Gray, Luvia and Flat make 3. Would Reines be strong enough to register? I am becoming less and less certain the four dots are them.

If they wanted to get far away from Orochi, they should be running east, not south. No, wait, now that I think about it, is this map North oriented?
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Oh and if we leave the map active with the normie settings on while someone sits here monitoring it we can track mass civilian deaths as the lights get snuffed out.

Merlin and Gil have shown they can block scrying, but Gil might not have accounted for this. Merlin is another story, seeing as he sees the present so he would be aware and as Morgana had something to do with the map, he's probably ensured he's hidden. We could task Morgana with tracking him, we need information and as an Incubus he likely gives off a unique energy signature. Mordred may be good at unga bunga, but as a king she needs to learn to manage RTS style stuff so she doesn't fall into the same neglect the people hole as her Father. She also needs to keep a leash on her mum, so maybe having Mordred, Morgana and Touko, who we can praise to Mordred as our own teacher can keep tabs on the map while we're out in the field. Touko is capable of using a phone too.

Also, I think we should ask Mordred for her input in this scrying decision, as her Instinct is incredible and if we want her to learn to be a good tactician she should be a part of this kind of information gathering event.

>>4729936

I'm posting from my wage cage so I can't spend enough time to look that deep, but the wiki might have clues. All google images I can find of Fuyuki are this orientation including the FGO ones, so we'd assume so?

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Fuyuki_City

The pic is from some extra materials, it's a different perspective of Fuyuki that shows the mountainous areas better than the other one.
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>>4729946
Alright, I'll assume the map orientation is correct. In that case, the four lights south of the map are entirely in the wrong location and in the wrong number to be Waver's group.

Mordred should learn to command, I agree. Teleporting her so we can rely on her instincts might be a good idea. But I really disagree with leaving her behind to run the command center. She's one of our strongest combatants, and we will absolutely need her in the frontline. The Casters should be enough to monitor the situation from the map room, we can't bring any one Divine with us against Orochi anyway.
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>However, I can at least answer that a path of true happiness for all those that you hold dear does exist, but you must act quickly. You must not allow yourself to be distracted by the actions of your allies who have been twisted to serve Manaka with exception to Medusa, who is still clinging on to the last remnants of her previous self, upon saving her. You must go on to defeat the forces of Yamata-no-Orochi, as well as those who oppose him.

Reposting God's words. "As well as those who oppose him" has always bugged me. Could the four lights be them?
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>>4729963
I assume it's Manaka and possibly Nyarlathotep, Manaka doesn't want competition and Orochi has the means to hack the Grail for his own uses
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>>4729968
>Then, before your final confrontation with Manaka Sajyou, you must discover a way to reverse the effects of the curses of the mud of the Holy Grail upon Heroic Spirits, from there, you'll know what to do. That's what I will reveal to you
I cut off his last sentences because they weren't relevant right now. He can't mean Manaka, we have to figure how to cleanse grail mud before we storm the temple. I think he'd be more direct if he meant Nyarly, like he warned us not to get too close to him, or if he meant the allies currently under Manaka's control. We don't know of any other faction here, but that doesn't mean there aren't any, necessarily.
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>>4729977
She could be sending servants after him
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>>4729981
Then they should appear on the map, which brings us back to the point of who might the four lights be.
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Remember folks we gotta watch out for altrouge. Would she be one of these lights?
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>>4729983
I heard someone make a theory that one of the massive magical energy sources might be Gilles

>>4729984
I literally never believed her when she said she'd leave us alone, no fucking way
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>>4729984
She's certainly powerful enough to register. But the more we discuss this, the more I think we should scry the four lights first.

>>4729986
That was me. It's either Gilles who's been sucking boys dry for days, Gilgamesh, or booster Cu.
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>>4729986
>>4729988

yeah no never trust a vampire that's more than willing to just grab you off the street and turn you because they liked you as a child. I don't wanna get discord groomed by a bloodsucking lunatic.
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>>4729955
Tamamo should be quite a good tactician considering how much time she spent manipulating emperors actually. That's a quite a bit of trust to put towards her and she'll expect a reward though. She's also Divine and terrified of snek, so she's a must pick for command terminal. I'm opting for Touko to stay due to her ability to use tech and her sister is probably better on the front lines to nuke things.

Medea should probably stay too, being Divine, but also able to teleport allies around from the vantage point. We also always have direct comms with her via the servant contract.

Mordred and Artoria should probably both come to Orochi, being able to slow his advance with saber-beamu and Instinct helping a ton with avoiding ambushes etc. Morgan really needs to be wherever Mordred is so she's under supervision.

I meant Mordred to sit at command up until the Orochi conflict, so she can get some resource management experience but we will need her on the from lines for that.

In canon Shinji isn't aware of the extra servants Orochi summoned yet so it'll have to be discovered in story remember.
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>>4729911
How did Taiga? How did third saber come about so quick? Also I think they had rolls a few threads back.
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>>4729784
Ask Mordred and Artoria for their input in a scrying target, using their twin Instinct skills.
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>>4729996
But anon, she waited because she likes us as an adult.
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>>4730057
>In canon Shinji isn't aware of the extra servants Orochi summoned yet so it'll have to be discovered in story remember.
Alan told him, that's how we know.
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>>4730062
As a subsidiary vote in case of a tie, I'm gonna go 2 at docks > group of 4 > second largest source
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>>4730069
Oh that's right. Did he specify how many or just that he was summoning up more problems?
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You know I feel we should take a page out of Kerry's book and use mundane ways to catch Merlin. We have ties to the Yakuza, use them. Have them search around while being subtle.

Also we should at some point get Kerry back in his body now that archer is here and have the three casters set up a better bounded field.

I think it's best if we check the 4 or 6 dots even if they aren't Wavers group. There the largest possible opposition on the board. Their either allies we can team up with it enemies we need info on.
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>>4730086
He said seven, so its safe to assume at least that
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>>4730092
The 6 are likely that main group, his Assassin is either with them or ready to gank us in the city. They might be in transit towards us or holding a line between us and the main snake body.

The four south might be the set of what's left after the original wolf vore interlude? As they're basically off the map deep into the forest if they're directly south of the 6 east of the Einzbern manor. We can't discount him having summoned another batch, but there's always the possibility either Manaka has left some shadow servants to wander or Cu has conjured up some servant tier familiars. He has dogs, Odin's wolves, Odin's eagles and crows as possibilities. Cu could also be the lone massive signature.

Why is he fortifying a position and holding it? Is he retarded or is he performing some other absurd ritual? He could just keep summoning waves of servants to send after us, unless he's actually worried about us Rulebreaking them and adding to our forces?

The Orochi is a being of destroying so building up and area just doesn't make sense.
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>>4730088
Merlin is omniscient in the present using his Clairvoyance. They'll be chasing Illusions constantly. Any other mage it's a good idea, but when dealing with him you would need someone who can augment an army of normies and that takes prep time.

His weakness is women, he can be baited with prostitutes easier than he can be scouted by yakuza thugs.
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>>4730103
>>4730088
Ayaka
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>>4730104
Odin Cu vs Gil vs Merlin in a supreme Clairvoyance simp-off
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>>4730106
To add, Odin is likely to have Clairvoyance on the Grand Caster trio's level, as in LB2 he basically forsaw that the Scandinavia LB was a dead end, handed his authority to Skadi to tend the fields and planeswalked outta that guaranteed dead end to go off on his own adventures. Very likely going on to incarnate in Singularity F as "Caster Cu" who refuses to give you his true name and has Odin's two wolves in his final ascension art.
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>>4730106
Unironically would be perfect, those 3 retards can fight it out for a few days, we can take back Ayaka as they all focus on each other and somehow Proto Saber shows up and makes things worse
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>>4730110
yeah i found a theory about that, i never pieced it together, Cu has a lot of connections to Odin, Gungnir being Gae Bolg's prototype, the primordial runes, the wolves. Would be a forced to be reckoned with and would actually be a match against Gilgamesh and Merlin instead of just being simple bait
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>>4730112
It's a shame its incel and not ZETE inside Monika, could be a 4 way simp off with Greek Chad Thundercock joining the fray for the coombait
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>>4730110
Odin in general is very much Grand Caster tier because he has divine knowledge of everything that he used to create his magic.
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>>4730101
He might be Orochi but he's also Zouken. God probably told us to engage him while ignoring everything else but Medusa due to being on a timer.

>>4730103
Having the gang search won't really cost us anything. Plus it may constrain his movement because he has to weave around normies. Lastly how does he know people are searching for him? He'd have to be aware the normies are searching for him first.

His Clairvoyance also has to have limitations. There is no way he's doing a big brother to the entire city at once. He can probably see events going on but not all events. There are going to be some he's not paying attention to.
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>>4730120
I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the Third Eye awakened pajeets would also qualify. Infinite knowledge implies clairvoyance of a sort so even base myth Odin fits the role perfectly. I wonder if Mimir can be pulled out of the reverse side for the Punished Shinji eyepatch aesthetic?
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>>4730125
He only has to focus on the events on a single town right now. As an incubus he feeds on emotions and dreams so he'd passively be syphoning information just by feeding. It's not a bad idea, it just doesn't have much chance of success. If Zouken hadn't summoned extra servants modern surveillance would have been a good option as scrying is such a risk. But with the servants wandering around we'd be sending NPCs into a meat grinder.
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We really should call Shiki to find out if Gil is even on the map. Then call Waver and check with him as well.
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>>4730127
Punished Shinji will only ever happen if somebody near and dear to Shinji dies horribly and cannot be immediately revived by Shinji. Then we need to consult Kiritsugu for smokes and eyepatches and alcohol and suffering
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>>4730142

We should have used our funds to create drone networks and or buy heaps of military grade comms devices to distribute them to everyone. Earpiece sorta things that also pick up voice. Tesla would have spent a while destroying everything though.

I actually think spending so much time with Monika made us shy away from tech as it would have crapped out in her presence.
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Maybe we should call up a strategy council. Archer, Saber, Mordred along with our Casters. Archer is the one well versed with current magecraft. Maybe Rin too because she is second owner.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4730149
So Sakura then

>>4730127
I always assumed thats what our mystic eyes would be, to read the tea leaves and find the correct path out of millions
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Mostly because it is easiest target.
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>>4730150
Think about it this way, if we had relied on tech up to this point we'd be fucked when Tesla showed up to destroy or subvert all our drones and coms.
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its pretty funny how Shinji and Shirou would go Mind of Steel for the exact same person
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
Even though Billy is based he does not vibe with our operation style at all, and he's liable to put six bullets in someone we're trying to save.
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>Have Caster scry on the Einzbern Castle, see if you can see anything going on there.
Orochi and maybe his team since he outshine them.
Scrying will tip him off but we are still going after him.
Importance of scrying in questionable.
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
Gil and Cu are the most likely candidates for this one.
>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
We were warned about third parties and Orichi`s servants.
It is valid to suspect that it is his group or Manaka`s group or Waver`s team or that third party.
>Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole.
Tesla, this one is easy.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
We have meta idea here but it could as well be Gilles and his bodyguard, harvesting population for Manaka.
The most strange group for us in-character.
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Praise Medea
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>>4729977
What did Rin to do Kirei's body? We could dig him up and experiment a bit on the bits of grail mud he has in him
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>>4729784
Switching >>4729871 to
>Praise Medea and the other casters
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
We definitely spent more than 20 minutes dealing with Shuten and Medusa. Waver should be already in the city. And the number of lights doesn't fit. With apologies to Billy and Lancer, this is what we need to see the most.
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>>4730248
It should still be where she left it. Probably a good idea to pick it up when we finally get a breather.
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>>4730248
Presumably still of the floor of the Church.
I wonder what the Clocktower is thinking now that both overseers are either mia or confirmed dead, if they're paying attention at all right now.
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>>4730258
Overseers are Church. And the Church is probably mustering the Burial Agency as we speak, we shot up to to public enemy #1 status in the past 24 hours
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>>4730265
Yeah but they're in cooperation with the Clocktower, otherwise there's no reason for them to be here as it's not the Church's ritual.
I might be forgetting something but doesn't the Tower keep track of what's going on?
It would be a bit weird for them to let the Church administer everything without keeping their own tabs on what's going on.
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so any bets which group is Merlins and how strong it is?
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>>4730273
Clocktower has no authority here. That was why the Einzbern and Zolgen chose this place, and that's why the Clocktower accepted Church oversight so easily. They might monitor the bigger happenings, even if only to help with the cover-up, but they certainly have no clue about the smaller stuff. For example, they had no idea Kotomine killed Tohsaka, what went on in the final battle, that Gilgamesh stayed around, or even that the Grail is corrupted.

>>4730314
I'm betting on Merlin not appearing on the map, and not appearing at all unless he wants to or we expend significant effort to tracking him down.
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>>4730150
I mentioned something like a magical comms with Touko and qm shrugged it off.
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>>4730347
iirc, what the QM said was that Touko wasn't interested in making one but we could do it ourselves if we wanted. And then we never bothered.
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Once we find our faggot grandpa we should order an airstrike, but the missiles are just a shit ton of burgers

Maximum confusion, plus food to eat once we nuke him
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>>4730353
if we really were insane we could have buy nerve agents before the war and just airdrop them on temple and castle.
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>>4730359
Man, do you remember the innocent times when we thought Gil would be the final boss and the War would go like that Carnival speedrun?
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>>4730364
>"Lets check if Misaki town is real just in case, guys"
time of youth innocence.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
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>>4730366
I wonder if any of the Manaka schizo posters are still around.
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>>4730375
>Manaka schizo posters
wot if we are third Manaka
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Something to remember, Gilgamesh has a lot of anti-scrying + anti-detection Noble Phantasms.
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>>4730387
Gil certainly has anti-detection. But does Gilles?
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>>4730388
You really think COOOOL would have a brighter light than any of the other Servants except the Beast?

Oh, I felt like I should've mentioned, but the map doesn't show your own base's light, because that would've just been pointless.
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>>4730395
I think he would, if he was almost ready to summon Cthulhu, yes. Or use the equivalent energy for whatever Manaka's planning. I still think it was him who murdered the boys at the warehouse.
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>>4730395
I guess the idea of Giles being bright is that the brightness is mana density, and Giles' book has that mana reactor/furnace thing.
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>>4730395
Weve been neglecting sacchin alot
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>>4730387
yes, but does he has one that will turn him female so we could headpat female Gil and make her simp for us ultrahard?
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>>4730395
so whats Thor?
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>>4730402
You don't want that.
>>4730404
What do you mean 'What's Thor?'
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I'm also just going to post this without any context.

See ya later.
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>>4730407
that was really bad joke-pun, sorry.
>You don't want that.
we can take femGil on, no big deal.
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>>4730410
ayy lmao
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Apparently Odin made the Valkyries from Sefar's remains, intredasting.

If he is OdinCu I expect to see his octocock horse WhatIs
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It's a shame that Shinji never really had a normal school life.
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>>4730418
neo sacchin
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>>4730410
>>4730418
out of the frying-pan into the fire.
just how I like it.
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>>4730418
Normal? He didnt even go to school
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>>4730421
Which was a shame.
Though probably a good thing for your own development in the grand scheme.
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>>4730422
Clocktower university arc SOL with Medea obfuscating our presence so we can attend classes while we gather info to collapse them?

Dabbing on teachers in the style of Anos Voldigoad
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>>4730425
Attending Waver's classes with Alan and other transfer students, Sakura accidentally imagine breaking every single important mystic code when she tries to use them.


Probably best as a carnival moment actually.
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>>4730422
True. Ill be waiting whem someone asks shinji what the square root of 100 is
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>>4730425
Imagine if Medea was actually a teacher there while we attended.
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>>4730428
Tongue kissing the teacher as we hand in a test
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>>4730428
Kinky
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>>4730427
we have servant AI for this.
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>>4730428
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>>4730431
Imagine BB as a mathe teacher trying to teach us algerbra
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>>4730432
Shinji and Flat try to out bullshit magic each other while Shinji tries to conceal Truth powerlevel but keeps getting flustered by Flat's savant autism pushing him to start chanting aria lines to keep up
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>>4730432
She had her chance. It's too late for her now.
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>>4730434
What IS Flat anyway? I remember him being some 2k year old plan's fruit but I don't think I remember specifics.
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>>4730435
Touko didn't GROOOOOMING as hard as her sister would have
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>>4730438
Flat is Flat. Cartoon logic retard genius.
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>>4730432
Some part of me hopes that we can woo touku
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>>4730435
But as a Grand of the Mage's Association, getting a job at the Clocktower as a teacher would be the simplest thing in the entire world for Touko.
So long as she deals with the Sealing Designations first.
Medea would need to LARP as a transferred teacher from the Wandering Sea.
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>>4730438
Also

>His personality and power are so chaotic and increasingly unstable that, in every timeline where Flat does not meet El-Melloi II, he is made a target and eliminated by the Counter Force.

Poor sped, his existence upsets Alaya that much.
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>>4730433
Nasu has already proven that 3rd Magic was before 1st Magic. Real algebra is a mystery in this verse
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>>4730444
Can't Waver hire teachers for his own department? She's certainly more than qualified for the job.
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>>4730446
I didn't read SF personally, but wasnt there a scene when he dies and some weird ass thing escapes from his corpse? And seeing weird shit. Dude is something..
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>>4730449
>Modern Magecraft Theory
>Hiring Medea
Um...
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>>4730451
We are about to revolutionize Modern Magecraft anyway. They'll need Medea to help them navigate the New Age of Gods.
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Maybe Medea can get a job in the Department of Archeology or something, by leaving scraps of her knowledge around. Something something hermit family who is newly leaving isolation.
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Does sakura know we shinji is not blood related?
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>>4730459
Yes, of course. She hasn't forgotten she's adopted, or that Rin is her biological sister. Why?

Though that does remind me: What's the color of Sakura's eyes now, WhatIs?
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
Bring me JOBhulain.
>>4730454
I'm not sure if I want a Clocktower Infiltration Arc or Mordreds Takeover of England Arc after the war.
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>>4730461
Why not both? Infiltrate the Clocktower so we can prepare the ground for Mordred's invasion.
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>>4730462
Can't wait to dab all over Lorelei.
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>>4730450
I haven't been keeping up with it so much this year, but after Alcides took half of Jack's Saint Graph using Reincarnation Pandora, Flat was able to use his connection to Jack to literally rewrite his command seals and fuck up Alcides' magical energy and form enough to job to a human and get shanked by a Hydra poison dagger.
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>>4730432
Let's go
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>>4730460
I dont know. Probably something retarded
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>>4730456
Excuse me Miss, I have a large bone for you to inspect
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>>4730407
>You don't want that.
Gilko can't handle the Truth charged D.
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>>4730446
redman saves the day again.
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>>4730460
Didn't they turn into Tiamat pink crosses?
>>4730446
Flat gets executed for being unstable.
Meanwhile Alaya wants to suck our dick.
Get rekt Flat.
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>>4730443
We already did.
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>>4730475
I think they're now back to Tohsaka blue, but I'm not sure. And that's why I'm asking.
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>>4730477
She is 99?
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>>4730475
just wait until he shows up next update with Dopeman as his servant.
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>>4730479
She's ??/100 but seeing how she acts around her "wakame-kun" we can get her if we just push a bit.
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>>4730481
Hmm i see. Pehaps we should take her to get coffe and gift her premium cuban cigars
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>>4730482
Reminder that we gave her a blank cheque to ask us whatever she wanted as a thank you. She hasn't cashed in yet.
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>>4730483
>"I want you."
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Clocktower probably has the least reason to like us, while Wandering Sea is gonna COOM over all the AoG stuff and BB can teach Atlas Spiritron stuff.
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>>4730483
We shall wait then
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>>4730484
>"Truth."
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>>4730482
Why gift her Cuban Cigars when we could gift her Cuba?
>>4730478
I think we would've noticed that.
>>4730481
Yeah she's definitely a target.
We should surprise her with a kiss.
If I had to point out a moment, her falling for us was probably when we saved her from the fate worse than death Rizo hit her with.
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>>4730483
>"Your virginity."
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>>4730489
>"Don't you know Wakame-kum? The semen of a virgin magus is extremely potent with magical energy. Now hand it to me."
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>>4730488
we really need to kill Rizo for her and Mo.
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>>4730488
That seems kinda risky. Ever since the Monica incident
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>>4730491
We should give Rizo to her as a gift.
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>>4730490
>Wakame-kum
>>4730492
She's cut our fucking limbs off before to help test our limits.
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>>4730495
Exactly. I dont want her to remove our dick and balls bro.
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>>4730496
>"Cock and Ball Torture, Wakame-kun?"
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>>4730498
>INTERNAL SCREAMING
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>>4730499
Note to future Shinji: Learn how to turn off pain receptors.
Also learn how to fake an orgasm.
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>>4730501
>learn how to orgasm on command
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>>4730501
>The third and fourth lines are "An infinity of lies." and "Blind to the beyond." and their recital allows for the spatial destabilization of the area surrounding Shinji, in a pinch, these two verses can be used to escape from almost any attempt to bind Shinji.
Note to future Shinji: Learn how to recite that with a gagged mouth.
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>>4730502
A skill only Kiara can teach.
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>>4730501
just learn pressure points to make girls orgasm and pretend it is fate doujin world. one touch and Tamamo gets knocked out and spasming on the floor with a bliss expression on her face.
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>>4730507
Pretty sure that's just how Fate works.
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>>4730507
>Chinese Martial Art (Pleasure Points) EX
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>>4730507
>>4730508
Cant wait until we accidently high five shiro and make him bust a nut
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>>4730509
>Erotic Arts A++
>Anti Unit
>Max Range : 1
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Nobody has defenses against being made to orgasm to death.
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>>4730510
Saber will ask us to teach her those moves upon seeing it.
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>>4730515
He is showing her how it works and high fives her
>splurge
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>>4730515
>>4730516
Eh, it's not like these two need the help. Unlike us.
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>>4730514
certain educated prostitute might.
>>4730516
better teach her normaly while shirou begs us not to.
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I still think Waver a company have servants. Flat is here meaning he could have pulled a fate/strange fake and hacked the grail without knowing.

Also fuck him for being an idiot savant. Doesn't need to study at all to do stuff and it seems his power is to do whatever he wants and is limited by the user. Luckily the user is an idiot.
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>>4730519
Any attempt to cuck the Eroge protagonist ends with them absorbing our entire harem.
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>>4730520
We'll know for sure if we scry the four lights.

>Also fuck him for being an idiot savant.
The virgin DnD Wizard vs the chad Sorcerer.
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>>4730524
i meant teaching Saber trick or two so that she could properly dom Shirou.
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>>4730526
I feel like we forget how powerful and impressive we actually are sometimes.
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Do we know what happened to our kaledostick after we teleported. He hasn't bothered is for awhile which might be a clue in itself. Hopefully he's just tired and hasn't been captured or something more sinister.
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>>4730530
Can't remember when exactly, but we checked at some point and it wasn't there. I guess the exertion against Orochi exhausted it.
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>>4730530
Amethyst is a girl.
I guess they could be a trap though.
>>4730527
I don't think Mordred will appreciate that.
>>4730528
After we accidentally'd the ultimate Dragon I doubt anyone will underestimate Truth again
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>>4730528
Pretty sure most magi would be ready to give up both their hands to have aportion of our power.
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>>4730534
We'd have to smack them around first, their first instinct would be to take both of our arms so they can have a portion of our power.
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>>4730533
>I don't think Mordred will appreciate that.
She'd ask to participate.
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>>4730533
Truth is powerful, the issue is leveraging it's power. Most of the time when it becomes OP it has AOG bullshit allowing it. In the current state it's greatly weakened due to being a Mana sink. Don't get me wrong it can do anything but in combat the cost fucks us.
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>>4730537
We should've learned how to make Mystic Codes.
And summon things.
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>>4730540
crests too.
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>>4730542
Aren't Crests made by removing some of your circuits?
Wouldn't our circuits just grow back?
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>>4730544
very intimate moment with girls asking us to make them crests.
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>>4730542
We could always ask grandpa to teach us.
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>>4730544
That's a very good question. Time to start budding Crests and regening Circuits? Starfish Crests. Since our RM restores us completely and I think we can also heal spiritual damage like that. Unless it crosses over from "damaged" to "removed" and thats too far for it, but our RM can probably do it?
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>>4730547
We've already decided to deathpoint the God and let Sakura vore wormpa.
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>>4730547
gramp's crests are old and busted and worms. we need that NEW new
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>>4730550
truth butteflies?
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>>4730549
There's still time to change our mind and ask to learn the secret family recipe.

I'm obviously joking anon.
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>>4730548
At least there won't be any argument over which of our biological kids gets the crest.
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>>4730553
Would they even gain anything from a crest when we plan to usher in a New Age of Gods?
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Just catching up on Strange Fake, and Prelati is going to be very interested in us after the war. In fact, the amount of chaos going on means Zolgen isn't gate keeping her from watching right now. So she's probably on her way over from Antartica with a huge fascination boner right now. Merlin taught Vivian magic, who was in turn Prelati's teacher too so huge fangirl moment if she got to meet Merlin.

But yeah, idk if WhatIs was aware but now he is, expect more chaos
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>>4730555
Also the US government wants to end magic and usher in a tech era, so they're probably going to be an issue in future.
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>>4730555
>Prelati
>going near Touko
Touko spawnkilled her like 30 times.
She's not about to fuck with that.
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>>4730555
Remember, when in doubt. Feed enemies to Sakura.
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>>4730557
Touko is busy right now
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>>4730556
That's what BB is for.
Send the burgers back to the Stone Age.
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>>4730556
We were already planning to return all English-speaking colonies to Mordred's New British Empire. Coming at us will just make our job easier.

>>4730558
Amen, brother.
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>>4730558
Sakura and Shiki are our preferred methods to kill the unkillable.
Prelati getting herself vored by Sakura would be amusing though.
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>>4730563
>>4730558
I wonder if Prelati would die or just be constantly respawning and seething inside her over and over again?
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>>4730559
Busy directly taking part in the war?
Prelati won't want to take part in this.
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>>4730564
>respawning and seething inside of Sakura's belly
Surprisingly cute
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>>4730566
She doesn't want to take part, she wants to watch. Like a scuffed Merlin she's another demon that watches the humanity tv channel on loop for eternity
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>>4730564
She'd probably just get her soul digested and be absorbed for good.
Sakura might then absorb her immortality.
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>>4730568
She'd get found out and dealt with.
Orochi has all of Zouken's memories.
He might whip up a worm pit just for her.
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>>4730569
New plan: Find Prelatti, feed her to Sakura. Any objections?
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>>4730571
None whatsoever.
I hope Sakura is hungry for Bitch.
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She also promised to reunite with Giles so if he's still kicking around that's another reason to come over for a look.

>>4730571
If it's not going to fuck up actual plot to detour, sure. If she shows up in the path of normal story then chomp
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I'd say there was always a possibility she snuck in while Zolgen was busy with his snake ritual construction and Touko was frozen in time
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>>4730574
Why don't we scry on her through Medea and teleport her directly on top of one of Sakura's shadow portals into herself?
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headpat Prelati
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>>4730573
I'm sure she'll eat whatever her Onii-chan tells her to eat, even if she's not that hungry.

>>4730574
Theoretically, we'll have a few days to kill after we deal with Orochi, Cu, Monica and Bazett and before we're ready to storm the temple. Would be nice to take our sister out to eat one of them. Or it could wait for after the War if we end up not having enough time.

>>4730575
Even better if she's here. She's even offering food delivery service!
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>>4730576
If God didn't give us a roadmap I'd voot for this but rather not get justed because of a meme detour now. After snek there's downtime before Manaka completes apotheosis
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I guess to be nice we purge Giles of cursed grail mud just so Sakura can vore him too and Prelati can have a friend
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So end Prelati and Gilles. Gotcha.
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Imagine watching the grail war through some scrying system unbeknownst to everyone and then the blue haired motherfucker just brings you up personally and suggests feeding you to his sister so she'll kill you for good and absorb your immortality.
Then he tells the Caster to teleport you to her immediately.
>"Guess I'll die."
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>>4730582
And living Prelati has had nowhere near enough time to cast a Grand Illusion on the current world texture so no escaping ok?
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>>4730577
She can get her single Headpat while Sakura sends her to the vore dimension.
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Sakura may pick up some S tendencies from Prelati though
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>>4730586
She already has them.
She just hides them.
Look how she's dealing with BB.
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>>4730587
It'll be a lot more obvious with that influence
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>>4730582
>"Oh, fuck"

>>4730586
Eh. What's the worst that could happen?
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>>4730588
Probably worth it for the immortality. Other people can't even be mad because it would make it so something can't just accidentally kill Sakura and release Tiamat or something.
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>>4730589
Tiamat starts leaking through and she wants to play mommydom to the whole planet?

Is that even a bad end?
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Also in regards to Alcides around Divinities. He may not be so chummy even with people like Medea.

Yes the variant that says this is older, grumpier and BLACKED by cursed grail mud but still. Ilya must have him on a tight leash if he's just boiling under the surface constantly ready for a chance to snap the neck of anything divine.

>Bazdilot asks him if he regrets killing Chiron, and he says he does not because he freed Chiron from the "curse" of immortality
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>>4730594
I see... so SAlter is what happens to Saber if she takes nigger cock. Makes sense that she becomes a ethot who roleplays as a hot topic girl, and is into being pegged by Dark Sakura.
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>>4730594
Sounds like Tesla and Alcides could've gotten along, to the detriment of us, if we were less lucky or something.
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>>4730597
Its a good thing we chose to pull Alcides out when we did. Although nobody knew that Betty would come with us anyway if we didn't choose her.
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>>4730598
Well, Medea's absence made us appreciate her that much more when we finally got her back.
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Pale Rider is so based, he took Alcides' elephant size dog, grew it larger than a large house and gave it to his adopted daughter as a new pet. He also got her 3 pet ponies of Diomedes from Alcides.
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>>4730603
We should keep that in mind if Alitheia ever asks us for a pet.
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>>4730607
He sure has a lot of pets for someone who isn;t a Rider. The dog gets a lot bigger if it has Divinity of a nature related to death or the underworld applied.
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Jeez I leave for a few hours and there's dozens more posts to go through.
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>>4730610
We have decided to take Sakura out for a nice dinner at the first opportunity.
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>>4730612
>feeding Sakura to Prelati
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>>4730610
tl;dr feeding Prelati to Sakura to give her more S tendencies and a side serving of immortality

>>4730615
It's almost bed time for me ok I'm retard
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>>4730610
Mostly vore posts
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>>4730615
posts take 60sec to delete you weren't supposed to point this out
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>>4730618
and sexmagecraft.
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>>4730618
We've been getting a lot of those recently, huh?
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>>4730624
blame hf3 hitting nyaa
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>>4730624
Gee, I wonder why.
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>>4730624
Its Sakura's main defense mechanism, even in OG Fate/Stay Night. I blame Nasu for implanting the fetish into the HF route.
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If we keep feeding all our problems to Sakura, how powerful could she become?
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>>4730630
she breaks 4th wall
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>>4730628
Between Dark Sakura, BB, and basically every single Alter-Ego, there does seem to be a recurring theme.
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>>4730630
Powerful enough to win the Shinjibowl outright and never, ever let us out of her sight again.

>>4730633
Nasu is a man of exquisite and impeccable taste.
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>>4730635
Shy traditional nipponjin girl in the streets, educated prostitute who will eat you whole in the sheets.
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>>4730636
Truly the ideal woman.
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>Who's at the docks?
>>4729787
>>4729794
>>4729798
>>4729799
>>4729800
>>4729804
>>4729808 (Call Waver)
>>4729860
>>4729871 (Praise Casters)

>Stare not into the abyss
>>4729796

>Who's that group?
>>4729814
>>4730373

>Who's the second largest shine?
>>4730461

I feel like asking for this map was just an elaborate scheme to let you find the new Lancer and Archer
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>>4730640
Well a majority of anons wanted to rescue them without being OOC or suddenly having psychic vision of knowing that two of Orochi's servants defected. Plus just having a map of key people in Fuyuki streamlines things so we don't have to keep voting to scry on people or things for vague reasons one by one.
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>>4730640
People can't resist the call of the gacha. But the map is legitimately extremely useful

Also, you seem to have missed some votes, including mine changing from >>4729871 to >>4730253 , but they're almost certainly not enough to change the result.
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>>4730645
Ah, sorry.
Vote changes are a pain to pick up on sometimes.
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>>4730640
i think you missed few votes.
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>>4730651
I think so too!
It was actually >>4729871 switching that messed me up, because I hovered over his vote, saw his ID, then assumed I'd already counted up to that point and that it wasn't a switch

>>4730235
Group of six

>>4730168
Group of four

>>4730162
>>4730161
>Docks

>>4730062
Instinct aid
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>>4730640
billy is a priority. absolute bro and would blast a hole through the Oprichnik forces to save you and others
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>>4730653
Sorry
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Guys
Guys
What if...
We give Billy...
The Black Barrel...
and have him...
dualwield it alongside Thunderer?
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>>4730654
So now we are going to have an adopted shota son, Aoko will have a field day.
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>>4730654
That's kind of a problem with the amount of recruiting former enemies we've been doing.

>>4730656
Except we chose not to steal the Black Barrel, remember?

>>4730657
Time for her to become a Master?
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>>4730658
But when the time comes...
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>>4730656
>>4730658
silly anons, we MAKE the black barrel.
Or possibly add the concept of "anti-magic" into his guns or something along the lines.
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>>4730658
I don't want to cuck Shiki out of big sensei groomer boobas. Honestly the only thing keeping Shiki from being a rapist is Aoko's Onee-san dynamic with him.
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>>4730661
Aren't you forgetting someone, anon?

In any case, Touko could take Billy in too.
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>>4730662
Touko builds a small harem of men while we build a large family of adopted servants and mythical kids
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>>4730640
>I feel like asking for this map was just an elaborate scheme to let you find the new Lancer and Archer
I suggested it because individually scrying isn't enough to track the locations of 15+ people.
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>>4730640
Billy boy is gonna be Mordred's newest knight that shoots people
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>>4730662
he also has two twin maids, Shiki is doing ok for himself, we should worry about SHIKI
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>>4730666
For some reason, quests tend to awaken the latent desire to be a father.
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"Caster... I think we might be best served if we were to scry on the two Servants at the docks first. They may not be aligned to our enemies, and it might be possible to recruit them to our cause." There are quite a few Servants wandering around the forests, but that's to be expected. You can at least assume that Manaka's Servants and Orochi's Servants are out and about, and may even clash with each other! Is this perhaps what God meant when he said that you needed to defeat those who were opposing Orochi too? It looks like Manaka still has to work through her Servants if she actually wants to have an impact outside her bounded fields. You also don't know if Gilgamesh would even show up on this map, as excellent as it is, the guy almost certainly has something that prevents him from showing up on even something as useful as Chártis Ermís here. There's also the problem that Enhance doesn't seem to have shown up on the map either, but he might've just decided to follow Ibaraki and her Oni out of the city, just to make sure they don't actually cause any problems while they leave. They might not actually be vampires, but true full-blooded Oni are just... not really the sort of beings that should really be left to their own devices. It's only because you were in too much of a hurry to watch Ibaraki that you just left her to do so. After all, you had to go and stop Medusa immediately, otherwise she may not have been able to stop the Gorgon from using Pandemonium Cetus on the entire city, and that would've ended up killing the entire human population of Fuyuki, a fair portion of the Servants, and probably also you.

"The two at the docks? Very well, I must admit, that I too am interested in just what a pair of Servants could be doing in such a location. It holds no real strategic or tactical importance, the human population is sparse, and the magical energy there is relatively low compared to some of the other areas of the city." Caster pulls the scrying orb out from her robe, before focusing on it, and an image soon shows on the center of the orb of a man dressed like a cowboy, gun holstered. Wait a minute... That's Billy the Kid! But... what's he doing at the docks? On a boat no less? This makes even less sense! He's a cowboy!

"Look, Lancer, I'm thankful for you saving me an' everything, but do we really have to spend all this time fixing this boat?" The Archer speaks to an unseen man, and Caster shifts the viewpoint a little so you can see the other man too. "Wouldn't it make more sense to try to find a magus who could serve as an anchor instead of spending hours on this boat? I mean, I don't really need one, but it's just a suggestion... for you, I mean." The boy in the cowboy uniform spins his gun skillfully.
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"I won't need a Master if I can just get this ship converted into something fitting to be called the Argo!"

The room watching the scrying orb goes dead silent, and all attention turns to Medea as the image of the second man appears on the screen, wearing impractical golden armor, basically dressed like a male stripper. It's indeed Lancer... better known as Jason, Captain of the Argo and Leader of the Argonauts.

"Now, help me move this beam, would you?" Jason commands Billy to help him in his current task of transforming what looks like some sort of small modern boat into some strange fusion of technology and traditional design. "This would be so much easier if I had Heracles here to help... But that's what this is all for! When I've got this ship built, I'll not only have my own supply of magical energy to exist off of, but also a means to summon all of my crew who I once sailed with!" Jason sounds quite proud of his Noble Phantasm, and Billy, after a moment's hesitation, helps the Lancer out.

Medea is speechless as she looks at the orb and of the man blissfully unaware of just who is observing him right now. She looks just about ready to explode with anger that Jason has been summoned. Her hatred of her ex-husband is... pretty legendary. Not that Jason didn't deserve the hatred. He certainly doesn't deserve Medea's love, that's for damn sure.

>"Ok! Let's... quickly move on to scrying on somebody else, shall we?" (Who?)
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
>"Medea, I think it might be prudent if we were to go and visit those two." (Take anyone else?)
>"Somebody should probably go and tell Alcides that Jason is around."
>Write-in...
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>>4730722
>It's indeed Lancer... better known as Jason, Captain of the Argo and Leader of the Argonauts.
I genuinely fucking thought it was Hektor holy fuck this is 1000% times better

>>4730722
>"Medea, I think it might be prudent if we were to go and visit those two." (Take anyone else?)
>Alcides and Illya
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>Jason
Such a shame.
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>>4730722
>>4730725
Support. Let's make this quick, we're still on the clock here.

I told you it was Jason. Epiphany at the jaws of death, people.
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>>4730722
Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please
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>>4730722
>Jason
Goddammit, I thought we would get based uncle Hector. Aw well, if he gets too out of line he'll be tortured slowly and cruelly by Medea. Let's not have Alicides find out about Jason yet, Medea needs to choose what she wants to do with him.
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
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>The more righteous is Jason's position in battle, the larger the support from the crew becomes, and the frequency of the attacks will increase too.
He's gonna summon all the Argonauts and maybe even people just tangentially related to them like Achilles when up against Orochi
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>>4730722
>>4730725
Support.

Time to be bros with jason.
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>>4730725
+1, get Alcides in on this
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>>4730722
>It's Jason
I expected this, yet I'm still disappointed.

>>4730725
Support. I hope he pisses himself after hearing Medea is here.
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>>4730726
>>4730732
It's not like you know that Hector won't be showing up for certain, anons.
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Our very next move after recruiting Jason should be to call Waver. We'll need access to the extra potential Masters If Flat didn't accidentaly hack the Grail. We can't take any more Servants ourselves, Truth is a mana guzzler.

>>4730749
True. Maybe Orochi got a good Lancer on his second gacha roll
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>>4730749
I'm still waiting for Perseus, Saber had all her greatest enemies show up, Medea has too, feels like Medusa should have a chance at a grudge match
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>>4730747
How will he react when we tell him his ex-wife is going to be our current wife, and we already have a child with her?
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
hahahhHAHAHAHAH
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>>4730722
Supporting
>>4730725
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>>4730750
Inb4 Second Assassin killed team Waver and pals minutes after he arrived
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>>4730753
This is starting to read like some real cuck shit, especially if Medea starts bragging about us in front of him to put him down
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>>4730761
He literally broke up with her and married another woman.
He's the definition of other with her.
Or would've been but she set everyone at his wedding reception on fire.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
>>4730753
>>4730761
The real twist of knife will be to vote to be nice with him.
That alone would probably make Medea snap.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
And lock down Billy with a binding spell while you're at it.
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>>4730761
Anons wanting to keep the wife's ex-husband around as a "bro" or "friend" is some real cuck shit. It makes no sense, why are you friends with the former husband? So that you can learn how to make your wife happy like the other guy because you don't know how to? But that's none of my business.
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>>4730772
It's less clear cut when it was all the God's fault.
They gave Medea the real Yandere sort of love charm in life.
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So we gonna let Madea kill Jason and keep Kid right? Jason is pretty useless and Madea is our wife. I don't wish for Shinji to sleep on the couch tonight do you?
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>>4730725
Support. Also lets bring along Alcides because fuck it why not
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>>4730766
Honestly I don't even think he's that bad, especially in light of FGO and FSF where he's not just a piece of shit monster like in Medea's flashbacks but a genuinely idealistic and brave person
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>>4730782
Still doesn't change Madea's feelings and between the two I'd rather not piss her off.

Can the casters let us do a Zouken and use his core to summon another servant on his class or make a class card?
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>>4730779
is that even a question?
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>>4730779
We should at the very least let her teleport Jason's nuts to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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>>4730777
It's not really his fault, it was the God's fault. Any normal person would be freaking the fuck out when their fiancée killed their own brother just for the benefit of their future husband
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>>4730783
Yes please, use his body to summon Scathach or something. I don't want any drama with the ex, or for "pity anons" to feel bad when Medea decides to torture him.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
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>>4730783
We can always compromise and tell Medea we'll keep throwing him first at enemies like Orochi and Manaka, probably better than and more torturous than just letting her gut him
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>>4730788
We can honestly get Flat to summon Scathach, the grail is already weird and fucky, we can just give him some random rock and tell him it's a rock from the Land of Shadows and he'll somehow figure out how to connect that to Scathach and bring her in
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>>4730779
Ideally.
>>4730783
>Can the casters let us do a Zouken and use his core to summon another servant on his class or make a class card?
I hope so. Lancer Li Shuwen would be perfect.
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>>4730790
Jason would never agree to that he likes to lead from the back. Just use his core and summon a different saber or create a class card for another Saber.

Look at his stats he's shit tier.
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>>4730796
You know, Li Shuwen can be an Assassin too and considering we don't know who Second Assassin is....
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You guys realize Alcides isn't going to let us torture one of his best friends right?
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>>4730799
Ok then we give him an option, let Medea do whatever she wants to him or force him to be a frontline and maybe Mordred's knight

>>4730801
That's the idea yes
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>>4730799
He can literally summon an entire crew of Heroic Spirits
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Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag (which I doubt), his Argo will buff Alcides significantly. Alcides is already our best anti-snake fighter, and we'll be going in without the bait that would weaken Orochi. Like it or not, he will be helpful.

>>4730801
Also, this.
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>>4730801
Exactly which is why I was advocating for us to not even tell Alcides about him until we know what Medea wants to do with him, which obviously isn't going to be good. But the "let's be bros" anons are delusional and doing mental gymanistics about the situation to the point of it being very cuck tier.
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It's not like jason's soul would go to sakura or illya if we kill him right?
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>>4730801
This. Epiphany from the Jaws of Death will activate, and then Alcides will get involved and he will probably fight to the death to save Jason.

Let's just give him to Illya, Alcides can keep him out of trouble and away from Medea.
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>>4730810
Yes it will.
Or maybe Manaka.
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>>4730810
We don't know. Just ask yourself this: Zouken hates us and Sakura with a passion. He designed the Grail system. He's the one responsible for making Sakura a Lesser Grail. How sure are you that he wouldn't tie his Servant's souls to the Grail just as a final fuck you?
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>>4730803
I admire the zeal you are putting do wither number of girls in harem, anon.
>>4730807
>Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag
He is. Thats the point of Greek Tragic Hero.
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>>4730808
>the "let's be bros" anons
Those anons only exist in your delusional mind.

>cuck tier
Gods, I hate you fucking faggots.
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>>4730810
Of course he would


>>4730811
Also its not like Billy will want to join our side if we just fucking kill the guy that saved his life, like it or not, Jason and Billy are connected, we don't have to be friends or even interact Jason but we can't hurt him if we wanna be bros with Billy
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>>4730821
Billy is basically Jason's Servant lmao.
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>>4730807
Jason grew disgusted with her from her killing all opposition due to the gods. Unlike a hero he didn't attempt to reverse the brainwashing he just left her and married someone else. Fuck him, that's blaming the victim for his own mistake. It was him who asked for it technically and the gods doing a monkey paw.
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>>4730820
You clearly haven't been reading the other votes anon, Medea hates him it makes no sense for us to he advocating for Jason for FGO reasons. Stop doing mental gymnastics, I won't discuss the obvious anymore with people who can't even look back at other votes similar to their own.
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>>4730812
>>4730814
>>4730821
This was a rhetorical question to dissuade murder anons from immediatly murdering jason. If we fucking gave morgan a second chance why cant we give jason one? Is it because he's not a girl?
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>>4730820
>Inb4 hurr, I don't see any votes like that
>>4730739
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>>4730826
So we can't vouch for him for FGO reasons but we can vouch for literally everyone else for FSN and FGO reasons? We have fucking Morgan and Mordred on our team but apparently Jason is bridge too far
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>>4730827
>Is it because he's not a girl?
that's literally the only reason why
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>>4730825
>undo the brainwashing
Directly going against the will of the gods
>leave Medea for another woman
Medea goes yandere mode and kills everyone
>don't leave the Yandere
Watch in horror as she continues killing people without remorse.

Jason was fucked no matter what.
He took the least bad option and it ended with his new bride and her entire family dead.
Then a boat fell on him.
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>>4730722
This >>4730725
Jason is based
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>>4730817
>Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag
We made friends with BB. We recruited Shuten. Medusa ate her own sisters. Her sisters bullied her incessantly and caused her to eat them. Medea killed her own children. Heracles killed his own family. Morgan is a fucking monster. And so on, and so on. We've recruited plenty people who've done wrong in the past. Why the fuck not him?

The facts of the matter are:
Jason will be useful. He knows Orochi's back door. His Argo buffs Alcides. Billy owes him his life. Alcides is his friend. His soul will CERTAINLY go to Sakura when he dies and she'll start degrading. He will CERTAINLY be apologetic towards Medea. There are are literally zero rational reasons to kill him, and plenty to keep him around.

This reminds me of the "Kill Ibaraki" discussion, only somehow even more retarded.

>>4730827
Because he offers nothing to the coomers, and because he's our casterwife's ex-husband, which triggers the cuck-obsessed subhumans. So basically yes.
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>>4730830
The difference is, we're practically married and have a child to a woman who hates this guys guts and would take pleasure in destroying him slowly and painfully. Everyone always took Jason's side when they were alive and she was shat on constantly because she was a witch, if we side with Jason we are just repeating history.
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>>4730838
At least Ibaraki was being a pain our ass at one point.
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>>4730840
Maybe she should have learned how to take a break-up and not murder an entire wedding reception and her own kids.
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>>4730838
We are literally Team "Second Chances." Even if he wasn't the only fucker in a tiny room to figure out the survive Orochi button, we should be taking him just for that.
Doesn't hurt that it'll make Alcides happy.
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>>4730831
Nah it's just we don't wish to fuck with one of our closest allies and mother of dragon daughter. The other recruits didn't fuck with any relationships we cared about but this has a cost in either rep or actions to recover that rep I'd possible. Besides he isn't as powerful as the other recruits. He's essentially a diplomat among servants.

Rather trash him for a resummon or class card if possible.
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>>4730838
>Why the fuck not him?
Because it is personal. Look at >>4730840 for a proper perspective on it.
And compare to "over the top monsters" Jason is your average everyday human scumbag in terms of personality.
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>>4730847
He can literally summon an entire crew of heroes if his cause is just.
He's only weak personally.
Even then, he's got a skill that is superior even to Chiron's Eye of the Mind (True): A when he's in life threatening situations.
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>>4730847
>Nah it's just we don't wish to fuck with one of our closest allies and mother of dragon daughter.
So we're going to piss off one of our other closest allies and our biggest Anti-Divinity Button?
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It's fine to kill Jason so long as if Raikou is ever summoned we let Shuten and Ibaraki eat her.
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>>4730840
>>4730847
Jason has more redeemable qualities than the people we gave second chances to, its fucking stupid that we're going to throw that personality trait of ours NOW because our waifu wants to gut him. We at least have a chance to compromise and do something to placate Medea if we spare him and put him to work, we automatically make an enemy out of Billy and Alcides if we kill him

>The other recruits didn't fuck with any relationships we cared about
Do you just not understand what Morgan did to Saber and Mordred?
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>>4730849
He doesn't like that skill because he's have to be on the front lines which he avoids. So not going to be useful at all.

>>4730850
Rather piss off someone were not going to marry. Plus if our Casters say they can make class cards then he can get fixed too.
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>>4730853
no Raikou is based and i want Medea to remove her madness and see if that does anything, i have a theory about removing madness enhancement and we never got the chance to test it out on Berserker Heracles
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>>4730854
Actually we aren't throwing away any personality trait. It's Shinji's nature not to give a fuck about other people. If it's personal then he'll actually do something. Look at BB, just because she looked like Sakura he was a dick for half the time.
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>>4730857
fag
>>4730853
agreed, fuck raikou. golden can stay if he promises to fuck our oni wife only on thursdays
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>>4730848
Medea did not kill him in her first life. She will not want to kill him now. She will enjoy seeing him squirm and beg for mercy, and she will grant. Besides, she is a pragmatic woman, so she will accept all the fucking reasons >>4730838 for not killing him.

>>4730854
Morgan has boobs anon. It's different.

>>4730856
Where does all this about class cards and rerolling come from? What makes you think this is remotely an option now?
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>>4730864
He has a don't graph and an Illya it can be done. If Ainzworth and Zouken can do it then three of the greatest Casters in history can.
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>>4730863
Okeanos was a shitstorm when it dropped on FGO NA, /fgo/ (before it split into /fgoalter/) was downright unusable because of him.
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>>4730863
He's not a waifu, so they don't care. You should know this by now, whatis.
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>>4730859
When I suggested using BB as Orochi bait there was outrage. Morgan was welcomed with open arms. Zouken and Kotomine are literally the only people we didn't attempt to patch things over with the people they'd harmed, and they were indeed irredeemable monsters. Jason is not even in the same ballpark.

>>4730863
You never thought there'd be people willing to kill Ibaraki either. Joke's on you, huh?
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>>4730859
no he was a dick to BB because she tried taking advantage of Rin and use Sakura's identity. Its in his personality to not give a fuck about NPCs, he's extremely empathetic when it comes to people he actually knows from Type Moon stuff

>>4730863
he's not a waifu and he hurt our many waifu so anons are bloodlusted even though he's not that bad of a person
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>>4730863
Its astounding how we are repeating history with a majority of anons siding with Jason over what Medea wants. Funny how he is also not even lifting a finger to cause the mental gymnastics and justifications to happen. I guess the gods truly have blessed this guy to be favored for some reason?
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>>4730872
>Zouken and Kotomine are literally the only people we didn't attempt to patch things over with the people they'd harmed, and they were indeed irredeemable monsters.
To be fair, I advocated to introducing Kirei to life as a Mapo Tofu salesman a few times. I like the guy.
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In my mind Jason's choice was a less difficult Shiro choice. In HF Sakura was possessed and mad yet he still went through shit. Jason just went to Madea this bitch is crazy let me not try to break the control.

Yes I understand it would be going against a god but you gotta take risks or your not a hero.
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>>4730874
>over what Medea wants
What does Medea want anon? I am genuinely curious.
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>>4730863
No offense but I am pretty sure you did.
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I just think you guys don't really understand the prospect of what Jason's abilities can entail either, he can summon other Argonauts, we can incarnate more heroes, Heracles, Atalanta, Asclepius, Medea Lily, etc.

>>4730875
Kirei was too far gone for the Mapo Tofu stuff, he was only able to go that route if he never participated in the 4th HGW
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>Take Alcides and Illya
>>4730725
>>4730730
>>4730739
>>4730744
>>4730747
>>4730758
>>4730837


>Teleport them to us
>>4730731
>>4730732
>>4730757
>>4730770
>>4730771
>>4730789
Writing...
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>>4730883
They just don't care anon. No one even tried to offer a counterargument to all the reasons for keeping him alive. He hurt our waifu, therefore he must die, consequences be damned.
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>>4730883
If you want power just give Alaya a call.
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>>4730885
Justice and Broship prevails!
Also, since Illya is getting more screentime, I just wanted to remind everyone that we need to fix her body and lifespan so she can be the tall, big titty waifu she wants to be.
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>>4730886
We get it, you're mad people have different opinions from you and you don't like being called a cuck. Deal with it, is this going to be another Shinji becoming meguca episode again?
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>>4730876
The one thing you do NOT do in Greek Myth is directly defy a god.
Or hell, even prove that you're better than them at something.

Jason should count himself lucky he just got crushed by his boat and didn't get turned into a horrible spider monster, or get forced to roll a boulder up a hill for eternity, or get chained to a rock to have birds peck out his liver forever.
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>>4730888
Yeah I will take Illya screen time. I haven't seen her in awhile, she must be bored.
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>>4730889
It's funny that you think your retarded insults are actually making people angry. If anything, I'm facepalming at your room-temperature IQ.
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>>4730894
You replying with passive aggressive comments proves whatever I'm doing is working anon. The smart thing to do is to not reply to me at all. Look on the bright side, your post won and I get Illya screentime.
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>>4730888
You could at least have posted a better one, you know.
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apparently Caenis and Circe count as Argonauts so they can be summoned by Jason too, Medea can see her auntie again
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>>4730891
Wasn't Medusa's thing
>"Oh you're prettier then me?"
>"FUCK YOU! NOW YOU'RE A SNAKE MONSTER THAT TURNS PEOPLE TO STONE!"
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I could have voted to tie it up but at the same time I do want to see the hole that is dug. If it gets bad the up side is one less person in the Shinjibowl.
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>>4730904
Eh, its fine. If Medea has a problem with him we could just tell Alcidies to keep him far, far away from Medea and us. At least we get Billy as a servant out of this.
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>>4730904
>>4730906
On the bright side his imminent backstab will lead to some very funny scenes.
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>>4730900
Caenis, yes.
Circe never actually sailed with them.
They just visited her island, she purified the Medea for murdering her brother, and then told her to leave immediately.
Not sure how it happened in the Fate version of events, but from what I understand, she was sort of trapped on her island, so she couldn't exactly be classed as somebody who sailed on the Argo.
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>>4730911
Nah, I don't want to risk his soul getting into her unless the war has finished. If he betrays us we'll have Medea send him to a pocket dimension torture loop,
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>>4730912
she's classified as Argo-Related in FGO so I assume its enough to be capable of a summon from him if things are dire enough
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Doesn't Madea lose the brainwash somehow? I think it's Circe but I'm unsure. So Jason had a way out if he looked for it but instead he took the cowards option of run.
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>>4730915
The Noble Phantasm is specifically for people who sailed on the Argo.
Circe is 'Argo-Related' because she met and aided Jason somewhat during his travels.
This is for the purpose of allowing her to be buffed by The Far Off Sea Route Conquered with Companions.
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>>4730891
>get chained to a rock to have birds peck out his liver forever
Prometheus did in fact get freed from his punishment at some point, if that helps. Literally nobody else knows this
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>>4730936
And it was our pal Alcides who freed him, for the record.
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Wait, I just noticed something
>This skill also allows Medusa to take one Personal Skill, Parameter or Noble Phantasm of her choice to use regardless of her current form. Finally, by using this skill to it's fullest extent and using a huge amount of magical energy, Medusa can use all of the abilities of her three forms at once. Class Skills are usually shared between forms, though thanks to this skill, unwanted Class Skills and Personal Skills can be sealed at will
Does this mean Medusiana can seal her Divine Core and still function against Orochi?
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>>4731063
ye, she can do some absurd stuff if Sakura has the magical energy for it which she does if Magical Energy EX is anything to go by
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>>4731071
Sakura definitely has the Magical Energy for this. I hadn't realised exactly how strong Medusa became.
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>>4731072
Yes, she actually became easily one of your strongest Servants, didn't you realize?
I'm pretty sure Shinji called Three Faces a Cheat Skill, actually.
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>>4731072
both the Tohsaka sisters can do absurd stuff now, Archer can spam NP and keep UBW up for an absurd amount of time if Rin goes Magical Girl, Sakura can have Medusa push her parameters and abilities at full blast while keeping her divinity sealed so Orochi can't use Nega Deity
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"Medea. I know you must... have some... complicated feelings on the presence of Jason in this war, but... If you want to kill him, then it is going to have to wait." While you don't know if Medea really does have it in her to kill the blonde asshole considering in life she killed everyone but him, right now, you're probably going to need him alive. Not to mention that if he is killed, then his soul will end up going to either Sakura, Illya... or worse. If the souls of slain Servants were to instead go to Manaka directly and skip the Lesser Grails, that would mean that for every Servant that is slain in the war, Manaka would gain more potential power. She's already proven herself capable of bringing back the Servants that were slain in the Fourth War as her minions, so giving her a fresh supply of Servant Souls... probably isn't a good idea.

"I... understand, Master. I... understand that my personal feelings towards that... Lancer, are not relevant to the situation at hand. However, I do not wish to interact with him... at all, if you wish to collaborate with him." Medea sighs. "While... Jason, wronged me in the past, it would be far too selfish of me to put my personal feelings about him above the survival of the world and all that I do actually care about... I won't deny that Jason has... certain, useful abilities." As irritated as Medea sounds by Jason even daring to exist in the same era as she is, from the way the two were talking, they are Servants without Masters, so therefore shouldn't have any sort of allegiance to a Master, it shouldn't be too difficult to talk either of the two of them into wanting to save the world, either.

"Thank you for understanding, Medea. I'm glad that you can put aside your dislike for this unfaithful runt for some time. He could be useful for us in defeating Orochi. Especially if he is as capable of summoning the rest of the Argonauts as he claims." How would that work? Would he be able to summon Medea Lily and Heracles despite the two of them already existing in the current era to some degree? Well, he might be able to summon Heracles seeing as Alcides and Heracles could be seen as somewhat different people, but it's probably not possible for him to summon his own copy of Medea, as Medea Lily is just Medea as a child. After all, if the Argo allowed him to summon duplicate copies of existing Servants, he'd almost certainly just use the vessel to summon dozens of Heracles. "Now, I'm just going to go and fetch Illya and her Servant. If anyone will be able to convince Jason to aid us, it will almost certainly be Alcides." In fact, Alcides may even get on better with Jason than Heracles himself did. Jason never saw Heracles as a monster because of what he was, and is one of the few people that even an Alcides corrupted by the mud of the grail holds respect for. The same should definitely be true of the uncorrupted Avenger Alcides.
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"Understood, Master. I'll be waiting for you here. Of course... after the war is over, it's fair game what's done about Jason, right?" She has a slightly sadistic looking smile on her face as she thinks about the man who betrayed her love and left her for another woman. Seems that even after enacting what was pretty much a complete revenge against Jason, it still hasn't properly let her overcome her lingering hatred for the man.

"Of course. If he survives the war, and you wish to enact a sort of vengeance against him still, I won't stop such a thing from happening... Though Alcides would probably have something to say about it." Medea frowns at the mention of the powerful Avenger, and then clearly begins to ponder something. You can take a guess as to what it is too. 'does a Hydra count as a Dragon?'.

You leave the room and quickly ascend to the main hallway of Rin's house, and instead of looking around for Illya and her Servant, you decide it would be far more sensible to just call out for her. "Illya! Could you come to the hallway? I need you and Alcides to help me with a quick mission!" You shout, and after a few seconds, there's a disturbance upstairs, and Illya quickly appears, being carried down the stairs on the shoulder of her Servant. In her arms is the deceptively powerful bear that houses Kiritsugu's spirit. Seeing as his current body was actually blessed and created by an actual goddess... doesn't that mean that in some ways, Kiritsugu currently counts as a Divine Construct? That's funny.

"You needed us, Shinji?" Illya has a smile on her face as she hugs the bear containing Kiritsugu, which looks at you with a lifeless expression. You still need to actually go through with the ritual to give Kerry his body back, but that can happen a little later. There's not really a rush to do it considering everything else that is currently going on.

"That's right, Illya. I need you and Alcides to come with me, it's... urgent." Honestly, you actually have no idea whether or not Jason will even be able to finish his Noble Phantasm before fading out, and while Billy isn't an issue, it's better to try to recruit Jason as well, even if Medea has a personal hatred of the man.

"What's the problem?" Alcides asks, happy to actually be given the opportunity to get out and do some actual fighting for once. As far as things go, he's not really had many opportunities to see any real action in this war, and he's yet to really be given a true chance to shine. Unfortunately for him, this... isn't the sort of occasion that requires his strength.

"Less a problem, more... a few Servants that we might be able to recruit with your assistance. Well, one in particular, who seems to have already secured the allegiance of another."

"Who?" Alcides raises an eyebrow
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"Jason." Alcides looks a little bit stunned by the revelation of the new Servant. "Now, of course, Medea is... less than pleased that he's here, but I understand that you have a decent relationship with the man, so I'm hoping that you'll be able to help convince him to aid us." It probably won't be that difficult for Alcides of all people to convince Jason. Heracles is pretty much the single one of Jason's allies that he actually cares for, or at least cares a great deal. Of course, for somebody like Jason, who much prefers acting from the back lines, Heracles is pretty much the best friend he could have.

"Very well, let's go. Master, I take it you have no issues with going to recruit these two new Servants?" Avenger sounds happy to be given the opportunity to meet up with one of his few friends in life once again. While Jason might have a bad problem with treating the majority of people around him like dirt under usual circumstances, when it comes to Heracles, he always treated him like a human, and not the monster some people saw him as.

"Not really, Avenger." Illya just shrugs a little, she doesn't really have a strong opinion on things either way. Not that you'd really expect her to have any, even if she's been sharing Alcides' memories through her dreams, it's not like she'd really have any strong opinions on Jason of all people. Though you suppose whether she's seen the interactions of the two yet. Heracles understandably has... a lot of crucial moments in his life that would need to be shared through the dream cycle. "Let's go, Shinji." Illya gives you her go-ahead, and smiles at you a little as she does. You briefly consider taking Shuten with you, but decide against it. Wouldn't want Billy getting too jumpy now.

Illya is still holding Kiritsugu as she is carried by Alcides back down to the basement with you, and it's not too long until you're back in what you could basically call a War Room at this point. "We're ready, Medea." You nod at the woman, who gives a brief nod in return. There are few words that need to be exchanged between you at this point. You made it clear enough to Medea that you dislike Jason as well for her sake, and that you're mostly interested in his potential to be of aid to you. Not to mention that Alcides would certainly take action against you and Medea if he were to be told you killed Jason.

"Tροψα!" Medea once again uses her teleportation magic to send you off, and you soon find yourself standing on the Fuyuki Dock, facing a fishing ship that is in the process of being converted into the Argo. Jason has made some surprisingly good progress with doing so, actually. Though it still looks kind of silly as it is right now.
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>>4731076
I realised she became one of the strongest, just not what exactly that meant. And I thought Three Faces was a cheat skill because of the versatility, but not that it would allow her to be so strong even against Orochi specifically.
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It doesn't take long for the occupants of the boat to notice your sudden appearance, and before long, two blond Servants poke their heads out from the top of the ship, though your appearances are relatively difficult to discern thanks to a general lack of light on the dock. "Who goes there?!" Jason calls out, looks like it's up to you to answer.

[Status Updated!]

>"Friends."
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
>Write-in...
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>>4731084
>"The guy trying to save the world. Along with your best pal, Alcides."

Yep, that's about as well as I expected Medea to take the news. As I said, a pragmatic woman.
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>>4731084
Friends."
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
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>>4731084
>Your best pal, Alcides, and some potential allies.
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>>4731084
>Let Alcides do the talking.
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>>4731084

>>"Potential allies."
>>"The guy trying to save the world."
>>"Your best pal, Alcides."
You could really just smash it all together
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>>4731084
>>"Potential allies."
>>"The guy trying to save the world."
>>"Your best pal, Alcides."
Well we're walking a tightrope now, Alcides won't stand for having his best bro killed and Medea more or less is given the ok by use to do what she wants with Jason after the war. Can't exactly be super chummy with him now, best we can hope for is to stay neutral so we don't anger either of them
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>>4731084
Deleted my old vote, I had a better idea.

>>Write-in...
Jason!
YOU SON OF A BITCH
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>>4731084
>"Your best bet on not getting eaten by a giant snake or being used as building material for yet unborn Outer God."
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
>>4731100
I don't like having him around either, I'm just looking forward to applying True Servant parameters to his argonauts or incarnating them. I guess Orochi threw away an annoying blonde servant summoning device in a male stripper meat body.
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>>4731083
She has both incredible versatility, and the ability to Unga Bunga Smash by using the Strength of the Gorgon and Monstrous Strength to basically kill pretty much anybody she wants with one strike.
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>>4731111
Nice vore pic QM. Superb tastes.
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>>4731105
I hope we can give him some boost that pulls out servants that are also just related to the Argonauts somehow like Achilles and Chiron, I really wanna see them
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>>4731111
Yeah, I think I get it now. She and Alcides will lead us to victory.
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
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>>4731117
It's not supposed to be a vore pic, anon.
Or at least I don't think it is?
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>>4731130
Oh, you poor, innocent soul.
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>>4731111
Checked

>booba
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>>4731130
>Medusa huffing and puffing looking hungry
>Shinji looking a bit nervous "p-please n-not right now Medusa, I'll feed you later okay?"
I'm joking, mostly.
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>>4731130
Am I wrong in thinking that our squad as it is, is capable of subduing Tiamat, were she to be released from Sakura?

Also, what are her current thoughts on us?
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>>4731150
As long as she isn't hurting Sakura or actively trying to get out of vore world I would like to keep Tiamat inside of Sakura. It would be good for Tiamat to live vicariously through a "normal" japanese woman who has a rich onii-chan/husband. If anyone would put Tiamat out of her misery it would be Gil, good thing we kept him around huh?
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Calling in 30, maybe?
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>>4730883
Jason bringing Assclap here means we can give him a tiny bit of Gorgon's blood and he can mass produce an elixir for True Immortality. Instant Ilya cure.
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>>4731165
>inb4 everyone in the party are now true immortals from mass produced immortality elixirs and become a perfected version of DAA and True Ancestors.
We're like the gods of this timeline aren't we?
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>>4731171
Haven't we been saying we want to usher in a New Age of Gods?
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>>4731165
allying with Jason has already begun to pay off
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>>4731080
https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Origin_Hydra

From LB5, Hydra aren't of the Dragon trait so I'd assume no?
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I just realized we never called Taiga and told her Shiro was ok. I'm rereading the story and we don't really check in with her. She's going to be so pissed!
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>>4731184
In our defense, we've been busy and also kinda forgotten about her. What's Shirou's excuse?
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>>4731186
ponos in vagoo
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>>4731186
sex
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>>4731187
Taiga is not going to like it.
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>>4731186
Too busy clapping white girl cheeks he a week ago and married. Gotta take advantage of the barren womb before she is incarnated.
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>>4731187
>>4731188
Alright, let's see how well that excuse flies with the Tiger of Fuyuki. It will be fun for sure.
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>>4731189
Well she better get with Waver in front of his fiance then. Iskandar approved of her more anyway.
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you know we don't really mention it that much but Medea is actually extremely fucking scary when she wants to be
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Oh and Assclap's Elixir doesn't just make you immortal, it revives the dead.
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>>4731195
Waver belongs to Reines.
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>>4731084
>>"Friends."
>"Billy, sir, I must say I'm a big fan."
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>>4731196
She did succ the soul out of vanilla Shinji in that Carnival moment
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>>4731197
yeah he's pretty busted as support, but this is Nasuverse so i doubt that revives the dead thing is so simple
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>>4731198
Poor lonely christmas cake. She got cucqueaned by Iri so she now has to cucquean Reines.
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>>4731196
Naturally. She is an Evil Witch, after all. Even if she's Our Evil Witch.
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>>4731203
It's from his Nasuverse mats. The only limiter is access to Gorgon's blood. Maybe as a servant it doesn't count, but Medusa isn't far from True Incarnation.

He put Hades out of a job in life. So ZETE squished him with a bolt of lightning because conversation is hard for him.
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>>4731205
We can always set her up with Kuzuki, he deserves a waifu after we stole his
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>>4731196
She should turn more annoying people into wands, I wonder what would happen if we turned Jason into a servant summoning wand as punishment.
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>>4731207
maybe that's the weakness, he can't use it too much or else Gaia or Alaya punishes him
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>>4731208
Now that's an excellent idea. I approve.

Assuming he didn't get eaten by Manaka.
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>>4731196
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>>4731217
Is everyone going to be vored in this timeline? Hot.
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>>4731218
>Replace Kuzuki with Shinji
>Replace squirming Issei with frightened Jason
Based.
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Alright anons best not to mention Medea is with our faction
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>>4731207
The problem is, there are no underworlds in the current era, so all the souls would immediately return to the Swirl of the Root so true revival would be impossible unless his elixir went beyond True Magic, because even True Magicians, while capable of reviving the dead, need to do so by more cheating the event and preventing it from occuring instead of just returning the dead to life directly.
However, it can probably perfectly restore a body and create a perfect replica of the soul based on the blueprint of the body.
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>>4731227
Could a bubble of Truth around a dying person forcefully prevent their soul from being sent to the Root?
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>>4731226
First recruit him, then tell him about her. Fear will keep him in line.

>>4731227
Meh. Betty can already do that and without rare material components. Asclepius is overrated.
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>>4731228
Or prevent a dying servant from being sent to the grail in that regard? Obviously it'd be expensive to maintain. But going off the later verses of the marble there's the ability to make small changes that Gaia won't revert so you could leave someone very important in stasis like that while you seek out immortality or use the Third Magic to put their soul elsewhere.
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>>4731226
eh, we should tell him but more of a
>Stay clear of her as I will not be responsible for what she does with you if you don't
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>>4731230
To be fair, if you were to rewrite the rules of the world somehow to cause souls to go to an Underworld instead of immediately returning to the Root, he would become capable of True Resurrection again.
Of course, purely theoretical.
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>>4731234
>>4731226
Turn into wand, turn into wand. In all seriousness he really doesn't have a choice either way, either he joins us or he risks being vored or killed by someone else later on.
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>>4731228
>>4731231
You've never tested Truth out in such a way, but... for Servants being sent to the Grail, probably.
For humans... probably not.

Though I think the soul does at least somewhat linger in the body for a while before returning to the Root, I don't think it's like, an immediate thing.
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>>4731238
he doesn't at all no, at least if he joins us, there's SOME chance that Medea decides to let go of wanting revenge, maybe he saves our life or Alitheia's life and she decides that they're even now
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>>4731241
I wonder how wraiths and the like are formed then? I guess one every few million deaths just glitches and the soul sticks around to seethe and cope because it's too burdened with negative sentiment?
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Something occured to me when it comes down to Orochi. Can we use his servant connection to attack him using truth? We were able to strengthen command seals, so tracing back to source should be possible.
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>>4731237
We'll keep it as a backup plan if we can't find a better way to make those we care about immortal. NPCs can't keep going to the Root, who cares.

Also, what exactly counts as "commanding" for Jason's Far Off Sea Route? How involved does he have to be in command decisions to buff Alcides?

>>4731244
Yeah, pretty much. He's alive because he might be useful and because his Soul might cause problems post-death. If he doesn't join his usefulness is very limited.
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>>4731245
Yeah, ghosts are sort of... weird. They're like unnatural occurences that the world actively tries to reject, so their souls should have probably gone to the Root, but they avoid that fate by either possessing things or absorbing energy from things.
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>>4731248
I meant can* keep going to the Root, who cares. How the fuck does a typo like that even happen?
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>>4731246
Flat was able to do something like that when Alcides stole Jack's NP so we might be able to do something similar like lower his parameters
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>>4731246
Flat could if he had a servant of his vored by Orochi. But then it's the creator of the CS system with near infinite mana vs autistic kid hackerman so I doubt it.
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>>4731257
RIP to Orochi but autism trumps reason
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>>4731246
>>4731254
But Orochi is his own Master.
Unless you want to feed him one of your Servants to try to see if you can use Command Spells to weaken a Beast/the guy who created Command Spells
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>>4731263
I volunteer Jason
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>>4731262
Command spells don't even work on Spartacus when he goes on his HUGE QUEST.
You really think they'd do anything to what is effectively a personified natural disaster?
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>>4731263
Hasn't he summoned his own servants. Can't we just subdue one of them and use truth to trace back the connection.
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>>4731283
How about whenever we find him, we manifest a small marble of Truth manifested Annihilation, and shove it down his throat then manifest a containment field to hold the blast?
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>>4731301
I'm saying we should bait out one of his servants not actually do it in front of him. Capture one and use the connection to attack him without being there.

Or see if Arc has any connections to the part that was eaten and have truth attack that way.

I wonder what our Casters can create using Gorgon, Dragon, Divine, fairy blood and truth. Make Caps super soldier serum??
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>>4730722
Oh boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mXO2FpI-s
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>>4731311
>super soldier serum

bro we could start our own PMC to supplement income from the one we already have. And it would be unstoppable.
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>>4731362
Why? We could already buy a small country
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>>4731362
>>4731364
Guys, we're already planning to make Chaldea, that can do both for us.
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>>4731365
Chaldea but the servants are actually alive
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>>4731391
Chaldea, but better background checks and vetting on potential masters.
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>>4731364
>>4731365

Guys I just ate some hotdogs and I had a thought. What if we bought a shotgun and then infused sentience into it?
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>>4731396
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freisch%C3%BCtz
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>>4731084
This >>4731095
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>>4731399
https://lobotomycorp.fandom.com/wiki/Der_Freisch%C3%BCtz
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>>4731399
Thats not sentience
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
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>>4731393
Moneybills isn't allowed to create child soldiers
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>>4731084

>>4731095
This
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>>4731415
demons are sentient
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>>4731424
Not the gun itself.
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>>4731418
But anon, we already have a child soldiers.
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>>4731434
Technically, we have child weapons of mass destruction.
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"Well, let me think... I guess... potential allies? The guy trying to save the world...? Oh! And your pal, Alcides!" Obviously, the fact that you brought Alcides with you has made this meeting quite a bit easier than it would've obviously been. Things might've been a true pain in the ass if you couldn't get Jason to agree to trust you, and while showing up with overwhelming force might've worked, it also wouldn't have been ideal, not with a Servant like Billy around.

"...Alcides?" Jason seems a little shocked by the usage of Heracles' human name, and there's a small amount of hope in the voice of the man as he realizes that his salvation may have arrived in the form of the greatest hero of Greek myth. Even if... not in his usual state.

"It's been a while, hasn't it, Jason?" Avenger speaks, now that you've introduced him to Jason. Now that he's been properly introduced, he doesn't wait for permission to speak to one of his best friends once again. Despite not being granted any sort of special powers or weapons or items like some other Heroes, Jason still endeavored anyway. In a way, you suppose you could call his efforts inspirational, even if he basically only relied on others to do most of the work, it still takes a pretty impressive type of person to get all those different personalities to work together.

"Archer! Stand down! These really are allies!" Jason quickly gives Billy an order, and the gunman seems to relax a little bit as Jason says that. "But... Alcides? Is there... any reason you've taken to that name?" Jason seems to have relaxed heavily with the presence of Alcides. Honestly, especially given that Alcides and Jason share a bond of trust with each other, and Alcides isn't the sort of person to show up and back stab one of his dearest friends in life after offering a hand in friendship to him once more. Hell, even Alcides when corrupted through grail mud would probably kill his Master before betraying Jason.

"I've been summoned without any of my divinity, right now, I'm as human as you are... well as human as you could call a Servant, anyway." Avenger crosses his arms. Though you remember that Jason did have a small amount of divine blood from a god, but clearly not enough that it really counts as enough to count as him having any sort of divinity as a Servant. It's simply too diluted.
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"Thank you, Alcides." You take a step closer to the boat after thanking the Avenger for his part in getting Jason to trust you. "Lancer, Archer, I am Shinji Makiri, and I represent a... faction of Servants that understands that the Holy Grail War is a sham, and are working together to bring a stop to the two potentially world ending threats in play. Yamata-no-Orochi, the false Beast and the Divine Spirit possessing the body of my ancestor..." Lancer and Archer both tense up a little at the mention of the name. "And the bigger threat, and the potential threat to every single timeline and reality as a whole, Manaka Sajyou, a girl attempting to force an apotheosis into an Outer God upon herself to attain true nigh-omnipotence."

"That... doesn't sound good at all..." Jason sighs, looking a little pale. "You lot, don't just stand on the docks like that! Any friend of Her- Ahem, Alcides' is a friend on mine!" The trust that Jason shows for Alcides is really kind of warming. The two really do share a great bond with one another. You wonder how Jason would've faired if he had this version of Alcides with him during the Atlantis Lostbelt. An Anti-God Servant like Alcides would almost certainly be capable of taking out a few of the lesser gods single-handedly.

You quickly go along with Jason's suggestion, and climb aboard the boat. "So, do I have an answer as to whether you're going to going to help us or not?" You get the conversation back on track when you get back on the boat.

"Me and Archer here... we have a history with that Snake Bastard already, after he summoned us and then tried to eat us both for being 'too weak'. Just like the bastard did with Rider and Assassin, it was only thanks to my quick thinking that either of us survived with our lives."

"It's true. If not for Jason, I definitely wouldn't have been able to have gotten out alive." Billy frowns as he looks down at his pistol with an annoyed expression. "There's really only so much that a man with a gun can do against an opponent after he shoots him in the head and he just shrugs it off and keeps monologuing at you like nothing happened. Mouthy bastard." You can only imagine what sort of events could've led to Billy shooting Orochi straight in the head, but the fact that even something that ought to have been immediately lethal to his opponent wasn't effective would've probably made Billy give up any chance of survival at that exact moment. Of course it was Jason who was capable of getting the two of them out alive. If there's one thing you can rely on him to do, it is survive dangerous situations when he knows his life is on the line. He's like the Servant equivalent of a cockroach, honestly. About as tough to kill as the Berserker Heracles, but for an entirely different reason. Whereas Heracles will take your strongest shot and keep on coming at you like an invincible Goliath, Jason will make sure that you don't get to hit him with your strongest shot somehow.
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"Don't worry, I've already begun to devise a few methods in which to get rid of Orochi once and for all." There's a few methods you could take that would allow you to overcome the practical immortality of the monstrous serpent god. You could see if Sakura could somehow trick Orochi into getting himself absorbed by her while still in a human sized form. You could try using Truth to kill him, you could ask Gilgamesh for assistance, you could see if Shiki could strike him in one of his Death Points, you could see whether or not Alítheia is up to the task, and finally, you could try to use your ability to manipulate Truth against him somehow.

"Well, I'm glad that at least somebody else has some ideas for killing him, I was hoping to maybe use my Noble Phantasm to summon Medea to see if she could advise me on how to kill a God... With any luck though, it'll summon her when she's young, she's much more appealing, both in appearance and personality." Oh no. He just had to bring her up, didn't he?

>"I'm sure that she'll be... happy to advise you."
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"How dare you talk about my Servant like that."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
>Write-in...
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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>>4731454
>Punch him
>"How dare you talk about my Servant like that."
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
We're allies with the Servant cockroach, but we're not friends. Let's make sure he knows where he stands. Alcides knows exactly why we would want to punch him and he won't hold it against us.
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>>Punch him
Noooooope, too far, I have a soft spot for him but you cannot insult our wife
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
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I think we should punch him since Medea is watching,and we should stand up for her, but we shouldn't antagonize Alcides either...
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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>>4731474
>but we shouldn't antagonize Alcides either
He just insulted our wife in front of us. Alcides will understand.
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>>4731474
I think Alcides will give us a pass, if someone mouthed off about Illya, he'd rip their throat out, its not gonna be different with us
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>>4731474
I agree, which is why I opted for asking him. Doing anything else seems too lenient. He'd probably forgive a surprise gutpunch too, but I'm sure Jason will give us many, many more chances in the future and it'd be better to clear the air now.

Also
>You could see if Sakura could somehow trick Orochi into getting himself absorbed by her while still in a human sized form.
Now there's an intriguing thought. I assume doing that would mean going in alone with Sakura and hoping he opts to talk long enough to get close to him. It's a shame the chances of it working are pretty much zero.
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>>4731454

>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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So, since multiclassing is a thing, could we make Billy a Gunner/Archer? We should try it when we get the chance
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731484
I think Gunner is a Servant class that just allows servants to have skills from two different classes, Billy would likely have stuff from Archer and Rider
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>>4731454
>Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting.
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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Alright, I'd like to write another update, but I guess it's just not possible today for that.
Too tired.
Poor Jason just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
Good night!
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>>4731501
Okay

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>4731504
I should be able to have a more prosperous day tomorrow when it comes to posting updates.
I'm surprised that you haven't figured something out yet.

Pic unrelated to anything and everything.
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>>4731510
I think the pic is just meant to imply "They both have terrible luck"
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>>4731510
I believe he's checking out her ass.
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>>4731501
he hit a nerve he shouldn't have
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>>4731510
>I'm surprised that you haven't figured something out yet.
wut
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
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>>4731513
at least Lancer is based and had the fight of his life or kills the villain and saves the girl, Sacchin lost her route
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>>4731501
Snake style right into his solar plexus
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>>4731528
motherfucker, what did we miss? Is it Waver? We never figured out those dice rolls we did
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>>4731536
Shit man I dont know. For all we know it could be hitler getting summoned.
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>>4731501
He absolutely deserves it, the prick. I really hope we don't end up giving him a pass for this. Night WhatIs. Looking forward to tomorrow.

>>4731536
Oh, shit, you might be right. Were those gacha rolls after Flat accidentally hacked the Grail?
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>>4731531
Or he gets japed by True Assassin and eaten by Sakura.
They can't all be winners.
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>>4731542
The meme trifecta will be complete soon
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>>4731454

>>4731463
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>>4731544
2/3 isn't bad at all

>>4731543
we joke about Flat but he's genuinely one of the hand full of people that's straight up better than us at Magecraft, he might accidentally hack the Grail and give everyone powerful servants. WAIT WHAT IF THE FUCKING ROLLS WERE SERVANT ROLLS?
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>>4731554
>WAIT WHAT IF THE FUCKING ROLLS WERE SERVANT ROLLS?
That's exactly what I said too, anon...
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>>4731554
It's more that the guy operates on the magical equivalent of cartoon physics.
He eventually becomes a Chaos monster if Waver never finds him
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>>4731559
i can't read
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>>4731554
>he's genuinely one of the hand full of people that's straight up better than us at Magecraft
You can't really compare yourself to Flat. The two of you are both extreme outliers that don't really abide by actual magical laws.
You especially.
Also, you've done far more impressive stuff in the past than he has by using Truth.
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>>4731563
What we must do now is obvious: We must work with Flat to hack Truth itself.

Also, WhatIs, if we do end up punching Jason I want to second >>4731533 for snake style right into his solar plexus, but also at maximum reinforcement. He's a Servant. He can take it. And if he's become weak enough that it would be a lethal hit, he'll just get an Epiphany that a Japanese schoolboy would absolutely kill him for insulting Medea and it would be even funnier.
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>>4731563
idk we actually have a mind for that kind of thing, Flat is retarded but he still figures out how to do absurd stuff when he feels like it
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>>4731570
The difference between you and Flat is that you've got an understanding of magecraft and you can use normal magecraft very well against normal magi enemy to easily defeat them.
Your true strength however lies in using Truth to run rampant over the rules of the world.
Flat meanwhile has no real care for the laws of magecraft and does what he wants all the time, but even he has his limits.
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>>4731581
Well first thing when we meet him is to plot to make the worlds best, tastey, appealing, minor constipation causing, burger
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I just wanna lie to Flats and give him some random rock and say its connected to Rama or Enkidu or Scathach and see if he actually tries something
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>>4731599
Draw a random rune on a rock, see if he summons Scathach or Brynhildr with it. Or even Odin.
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Alright, I went looking for the rolls. Waver and his party rolled 4d100. Orochi and Mordred rolled 2d100, first for catalyst second for quality. 3rd d100 might have been for class, but I can't figure out the fourth.

Also, some Anon's analysis for Orochi's rolls:
>>>Saber
>>Rolled 35, 87
>Orochi catalyst Saber who is as strong as Gawain.
>>>Lancer
>>Rolled 99, 2 (3)
>Random Lancer with around Saber Gilles level power.
>>>Archer
>>Rolled 91, 30 (43)
>Another below average random Servant.
>>>Rider
>>Rolled 52, 35 (36)
>Somebody with compatibility with Orochi but weak.
>>>Assassin
>>Rolled 66, 27
>Hello, Bad Hand Hassan?
>>>Caster
>>Rolled 63, 63
>Random above average Caster.
>>>Berserker
>>Rolled 84, 75
>Random strong Berserker.
I found it funny that Jason's Quality was almost as low as it gets.
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So, have any of the plans for defeating Orochi changed, or are you still gonna go for the Alcides plan?
I'd like to know just what sort of roles you'd have everyone take for the eventual showdown with him.
In an... ideal situation.
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>>4731604
>>Hello, Bad Hand Hassan?
He's gotta die just for killing my man Cursed Arm, he deserved better
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>>4731615
Incineration of Humanity.
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>>4731615
I just wanna see how far sniping Orochi can get us considering we have two projection geniuses, Alcides and Karna. Karna can probably out range Nega Deity if he can will power his way out of it
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>>4731615
What were the details of Alcides plan anyway? It was a while ago.
Also someone said something about Medusiana having a busted NP against Orochi, that she can use in her Gorgon form because of Three Faces, would that work as well?
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>>4731619
Easy there, Goetia.
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>>4731633
Give Alcides a clear path toward Orochi, possibly get Archer to Rule Breaker or Morgan's Dagger him so Arc gets her powers back.
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>>4731543
I already supported your post and I'll second the reinforced fist to the chest. I don't care if it connects or he just feels the what could have been killing intent behind the attack in response so he knows his place.
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I'm all for just opening the assault against Orochi by nuking his whole servant entourage and then the snek himself with Karna's Brahmastra without even talking to them. We do already have a huge cast and if they can tank the hit then congratulations they earn a conversation.
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>>4731638
We have low level servant parameters with full reinforcement and we know Snake Style and Bajiquan, he’s gonna feel it
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>>4731641
If we want to briefly let Karna scry + Discernment them to see if any deserve to be spared that's cool too. They get one chance to accept RuleBreaker.

>>4731643
We haven't fisted anything in a long time, Jason will make a good sandbag.
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>>4731615
My plan for killing him would be Alcides chains him -> Shiki soulkills Orochi, leaving Zouken alone in his body -> We confront him with Sakura, she eats Grandpa if she wants.

Archer and Karna open up by leveling the castle with Orochi in it. Karna stays the fuck away and snipes. Archer is on Servant Rule Breaker duty after battle is joined. We'll tell them at battle start that we have no enmity with any of them and can incarnate them if they help us save the world. Medusa and Alcides will be instrumental in beating him up until he can be chained. Ourselves and Sakura will be riding Alitheia into battle to provide close air support. She's strong but inexperienced, she needs the guidance of her parents. Mordred is our mobile reserve, present in the battlefield with no specific orders so she can put her Insticts to full use. Arcueid is benched along with everyone Divine, we can't afford to let him have another bite. If the Casters can cast spells from the war room, it would be ideal. Especially if Medea can still teleport people. She will tremendously help with our mobility, and it'll mean Shiki can standby in safety before a nothing personal death point stab.

Am I forgetting anyone?
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>>4731649
Donte is currently unaccounted for
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>>4731649
>she eats Grandpa if she wants
Sounds like a terrible idea desu, may as well just burn him alive when she's done with him, do not want to give him a chance to comeback
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>>4731651
We should probably chat with Ciel to get in contact with him or just scry when we have a moment.

Wukong is still an anomaly too and risks feeding snek a big power pole
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>>4731651
We guessed that Enhance was tard wrangling the Onis
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By the way, do we want Sakura to eat him after he's defeated?
I was kinda hoping Zouken was still alive underneath it all so she could get her revenge.
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>>4731657
I hope they chose to go way the fuck away from Orochi so he doesn't decide he wants some Oni offerings as a snack

>>4731661
Not worth the risk
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>>4731661
No I don't think we should make her kill people unless we absolutely have to, she can say her peace and we can crush him
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>>4731666
While BB makes the command centre snacks with Sakura's tutelage. Significant lack of cooking SOL in the past few threads.

Has Shinji eaten anything in days?
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>>4731651
Oh, right. Unfortunately it means we can't plan for him. And I forgot Ciel. She's unkillable and therefore perfect for another frontline spot.

>>4731652
I don't think it'll be dangerous, but we can discuss the proper method of trash disposal again if we get there.

>>4731661
Zouken is still there. If Shiki soulkills Orochi, grandpa will regain control of his body. I think we should give her the choice, at least
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>>4731634
The other plan is to get the Neco-Arcs and cause a Forever Carnival, using the power of the Carnival to make Orochi weak to shenanigans and then start a Fifth Seihai Grand Prix or Poker Tournament or Obstacle Course
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Ok so I just remembered, where the fuck is Bazett? Cu's Odin shadow loams over us and Monica keeps throwing scrap metal at us, have we even seen Bazett at all?
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>>4731689
She's almost certainly being possessed by a kick-ass assassin and that's why we can't find her. She's yet another reason to leave some defenders at Rin's.
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>>4731689
she couldn't be scryed when we last tried to scry her.
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>>4731689
Manaka killed her off-screen.
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>>4731689
Nope, her scry was a complete dead end. She may be at Manaka's side and under the bounded fields or she might have a very powerful, high level of Presence Concealment imbued into her.

Speaking of Presence Concealment, we should really have someone durable like SHIKI with the Mathias Shroud out gathering recon on someone we do need intel on. Can't be Tesla as he'll eat the phone signals and track him that way though.

Why not send him after the big energy signature? Get some eyes on Cu or whatever that is, and also get get some visuals on Orochi before the assault
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>>4731691
I think she might be possessed by Lugh simply because it'll boost her Fragarach
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>>4731696
SHIKI is currently tailing Gil. Considering we have no other way to track him, I'd hesitate to pull him off. We can send Shuten to scout to, and she won't even need a cell phone.
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>>4731703
I forget she's a meant to be stealthy honestly. I hope she actually uses her PC. We'll offer her some good Truth'd Intoxication wine if she can keep her PC on, not eat normies and mentally messages us intel asap when she engages a target, avoiding combat if possible without our approval.

She needs something to sate her boredom too. Getting run through by Gae Bolg will tickle her inside. We can always CS her back to us and Truth the barbs away when she's had enough.
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>>4731703
Also the Shroud will offer some funny hijinks in the Clocktower University infiltration arc.

I imagine we'd prefer to gather some more willing mages to defect rather than having them all killed. A lot dindu nuffin yet if they're still kids.
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>>4731705
Yeah, pretty much. She'll probably enjoy the exercise.
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>>4731707
God, I can't believe we're seriously planning to Harry Potter this shit.
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>>4731713
It's a plotline that enables both real plot progression and Carnival tier memes simultaneously. It's so stupid its based.
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>>4731713
We could yoink important artefacts and place them in rival departments to sow discord, sneak down to the Tomb of Albion and start rewiring the Bounded Fields in the area, release a True Dragon in the dungeon. You know, basic mischief
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Hey WhatIs, assuming Sakura learns to partially unseal Tiamat can she start constructing Lahmu to use like we do Betty's horrors? So we can swallow the world and stuff
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>>4731673
>local seaweed hair working so hard to prevent the apocalypse he literally has not eaten once in days
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>>4731454
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
Quite a few simps I see
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>>4731716
>>4731719
And we could molest Medea in class, as she's trying to teach. It really is brilliant. Much more fun than the timeskip/illuminati takeover of the world we were heading towards.
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>>4731726
WhatIs might have to start a Lorelei seethe meter in the background to measure her response, akin to the affection rating
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>>4731731
-99/100
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>>4731722
Lahmu are bad for publicity.

I might at one point make a poll for interest in doing things after the end of the War.
If you have any non-standard preferences, I suggest you make them known sooner rather than later.
I should be asleep...
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>>4731794
Forever Carnival
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>>4731794
Plans being floated are Clocktower University Arc, Britain Conquest stuff, Oni village stuff and dealing with new AoG/AoM hybrid whatevr thats gonna come out of all the shit we keep bringing back to life and our lack of secrecy. Maybe SF.

Is that about right?
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Oh no, I've reached the time of night where I start suffering from existential terror.
I need to go to sleep.
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>>4731803
Pretty much.
Though that's not all you can do, of course.
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Potenial gigabrain move of summoning from /looking at using 2nd Magic at the Servant Universe to recreate the universal 3rd Magic application+flooding everything with Ether?
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>>4731805
>>4731806
Are those things... still inside of Sakura? Does Tiamat have to look at autistic screaming souls and angry matthew's aborted fetus in the vore world?
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OK, this is my last post.
>>4731807
To reach the Servant Universe, you must first activate the Forever Carnival.
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>>4731794
Lahmu are kawaii, maybe just make sure they all have ahoges so no one thinks they're dangerous?
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>>4731806
Chaldea 2.0 Time and Adjacent World Edition, tracking down Beast candidates before they go nuclear, maybe making some syncretistic super Foundation with all the Casters+Truth and making normies confirm it. Those are my other to do list guesses
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>>4731812
Tiamat is an order of magnitude more powerful than Angra Mainyu is, and the true Angra was never within Sakura, it was acting through her using the link to the Greater Grail she had because of the corrupted grail shards inside of her.
Which are actually pieces of Iri turned into a cup.
Nullification or Tiamat probably severed Angra's link to her.
Probably.
Ok but for real, this is my last post for the night.
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>>4731813
So you're saying, there is a chance.
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Purge the manjew of niggeraids curses, incarnate him and give him to Caren as a consolation prize for killing getting her dad killed by his own actions? That's a quick session post Manaka.
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>>4731829
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>>4731831
and free Iri from cuphood
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>>4731835
You probably should've gotten the shards of Iri out of Sakura if you wanted to try to do something about that, boss.
Shit.
Why can't I just go to sleep.
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>>4731838
Just Hero Creation Narcolepsy onto yourself duh
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>>4731844
Good idea.
This innocent and heartwarming scene is kind of ruined by the fact that it's all just Angra doing a big Shirou LARP.
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>>4731853
I like her introduction to onii-chan scene more. It made the parts of the road Shirou bled and leaked his guts all over warmer.
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>>4731853
Remember QM, if your waifus name is Illya or Satsuki they will always die and never get happiness because Nasu sold his soul for Saint Quartz. By the way... do Saint Quartz exist in Paradox Reincarnated?
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>>4731838
Is it too late for that? And even so can we use some convoluted scheme with Arc and her Nature Spirit jurisdictions (muh Maidens of the Rhine) or someone who can look at the Universe of Record and have Betty remake them? Dont know how much effort we want to give to this
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We really should learn from the heroic spirits we summoned after the war. I'm also hoping assassin is the martial artist that can help Shinji break his B limit.

We also promised to teach the martial arts girl from melty blood. If we have time spirtron hacking.

This grail war has helped point out a lot of decencies Shinji has as a combatant we have to cover.
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>>4731873
I hope Li is nowhere near this war unless he's under our command. He will ruthlessly follow any master who summons him and he just deletes himself from the world and fists you through the chest before you can detect or do anything to stop him. He's actually terrifying.
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>>4731873
Our best teacher from the Casters would be...Tamamo.

We don't have Divine blood to make use of Divine Words of Medea, we don't have the faerie blood of Morgan, but we CAN do Cursecraft, as it just requires basically nothing, with Circuits and magical energy possibly improving the usage of it, but even that is not necessary.

Lets see if she can teach Cursecraft EX?
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>>4731879
Ya but can you think of any other way for Shinji to break the limit. Out magic skills have had growth during this war but out physical skills stagnante.

Our physical skills are our bread and butter. Truth takes too much Mana and seem like a close range/support skill right now. We really need to come up with a better form then a sword that complements our skills.
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>>4731890
>Truth takes too much Mana and seem like a close range/support skill right now.
Isn't that partly fixed by God's blessing?
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>>4731890
We really need to summon someone like Li Shuwen, Scathach, Chiron or whoever.

Otherwise our best trainer I can think of is Karna his indian martial arts memes are retard strong. .
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>>4731897
For example see info about his unarmed skill as Lancer or just Karna Santa.
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>>4731884
Actually we should trade CU for some runecraft knowledge.

Also they may have specialized magic but im pretty sure the other casters have things they can teach. Medea was able to understand Altrums soul conversion device and make a less wasteful version. I doubt casters won't have a single thing worth teaching or helping advance like truth.

Mystic code creation, boundary fields are also two universal fields. If we continue to use truth sword then Mordred can be a good martial teacher.
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>>4731899
True, but I really want to learn from Tamamo's Cursecraft EX too. Curses are basically forever fuck you and cant be removed without top bullshit, and ignore Magic Resistance.
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>>4731884
and the forbidden castration fist technique

>>4731890
we haven't really done any training or sparring with any of our servant allies since the start of the war. Alcidies could teach us Pankration, Karna could teach Kalaripayattu. Due to our absurd regen Shuten could teach us some wild Oni arts and she'd love the wrestle time.

Mordred and Artoria could teach swordplay to better use the Truth sword.

Wukong is also a Martial Arts expert.

If we free JETS he might give us some tips as the UNRIVALLED fighter of his era who only had some Fae blessings as a boon.

>>4731897
Chiron can be summoned via Jason's NP.

Chiron and Scat are busted as teachers as they can just impart servant skills at as much as A rank through their tutelage.
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>>4731896
Nope we may have higher regen and max output now but it isn't enough to really use it at range. Truth is a scale not really suited to bust mountains. It took an AOG environment to do that to Gorgon Medusa.
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>>4731890
Getting Alitheia's blood for the long awaited dragon blood plan will get us better physical stats and a True Dragon Core which should help us greatly with our energy concerns.
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Truth can do anything right?

I wonder if we can learn something from Arcueid. Supposedly Arcueid and incarnated Nature Spirits have something called "Regression to the Age of Gods" which is some completely different way of doing magic.
I wonder if we could get something out of it, since Arc is supposedly very versed in Runes, even if its only fighting and encountering them, she should be able to reproduce any she saw.
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>>4731899
Isn't Aife running around? Would she know Runecraft?
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>>4731913
Lugh also has this Regression stuff
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>>4731914
jannie of nyarly, her sister is better. she's also the mother of cu's kid that he killed with Gae Bolg so I want her around for Irish sitcom drama more than anything
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>>4731906
God gave the ability to moch off of earth and use full output and that just lowered the regen timer to 30min. Dragon core will likely drop it within the relm of 10-15min if we're lucky. For battle time that's not going to be enough to range truth.

Karna has arrows that never miss, I wonder if we can just snipe Orochi. Use truth to enhance the arrows using abti-divinity, devour or poison.
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>>4731920
Mybe just use Truth steroids on some Hydra venom to smear on the arrows of Karna.
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>>4731897
Chiron and Scathach would be perfect teachers, Chiron taught demi Gods and would know exactly what we're lacking and Scathach will works us until we're at our physical peak and then sleep with us if we survive
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>>4731920
Magic Cores are much better than Magic Circuits though
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>>4731901
>Chiron can be summoned via Jason's NP.
i don't think he can, he wasn't in the Argonauts right? Unless we power up Jason and his NP not only brings in Argonauts but people related to the Argonauts too, Achilles because his father was in the Argonauts, Chiron because he taught many of their crew, etc
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>>4731934
Get enough of his students together as a catalyst and we could wing it. We'll want a few stronk teachers to properly groom train all the talent we siphon from clocktower to start the next generation of magic.
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>>4731938
It's more likely than getting Scathatch out of the Land of Shadows anyway.

I'm not sure how ancient curry myth is ment to interact with Incarnated Elementals seeing as there was a race of what were effectively Elementals, the True Immortals who predate Karna/Arjuna etc. by one Age/generation.

Drona would be absurd. I wonder if Arc knew him or knew of him? He's HOTWHEELS' dad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drona
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>>4731950
>It's more likely than getting Scathatch out of the Land of Shadows anyway.
I'm still clinging on to giving Flat a random rock and telling him its connected to Scathach, she can be summoned in Extella and FGO so there might be SOME leeway here, i mean, Nyarly brought in BB and Manaka brought in Saber Alter
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>>4731959
>Extella
SE.RA.PH uses a different summoning system though.
It doesn't pull from the Throne.
The Mooncell just has a record of everything.
FGO uses the Incineration as a poor excuse.
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>>4731971
go to bed
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>>4731959
I think if you want to try that, best bet is to maake it a rock with a tune from Cu on it for teacher-student stuff.

Did we ever try applying Truth steroids to runes or making runes out of Truth? Maybe its more energy efficient.
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>>4731971
go to sleep
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>>4731971
Give us another Sakura pic.

GO TO BED.
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>>4731971
AfterWar Arc: Moon Cell Grail War when.
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>>4731973
I have gone beyond my limits.
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>>4731978
Sure.
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>>4731981
Never. We just nuke the moon.
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>>4731983
Go to bed or pump out a sleep deprived update pls. It's just a Jason gets slapped episode
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Well, we hit bump limit.
That was fast.
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>>4731959
The knife actually was Ripper related but not in a way that works without Flat's bullshit.
The toy knife was tied only to the idea of the killer that was Jack the Ripper but Flat managed to summon this ephemeral concept as an actual servant because he's a loony tunes bullshiter.
He didn't actually create a new catalyst just because he thought it was one, he used a catalyst that shouldn't work, which is why he couldn't summon Scathatch without an actual catalyst.
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Kinda want to see hero Shinji get summoned in FSN or fate go. It would be funny if BB recognizes him in the case of fate go.
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>>4731990
seething over Jason does that
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Hotwheels is busted. Even when nerfed pajeets are retard stronk

>Ashwatthama has a minor part of Shiva's Authority, giving him ability to interfere with time and send other people to different points in time.
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>>4731989
Yeah, I'm just about to collapse now, so this WILL be my last post of the night.
Definitely.
Totally.
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>>4731995
Reminded that Santa Karna explicitly has FTL knifehands martial arts.
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>>4731993
Did you miss that Carnival moment?
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>>4731987
>>4731990

Thank you QM.

Sakurafags rise up
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>>4732000
I was the one shilling Karna's melee skills to WhatIs in the thread where he was getting flexed on by Shuten because he was using a bow. Hotwheels is by Karna's own admission stronger than him, they're close friends and fellow students of Drona.
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>>4732002
i remember a time when Sakurabros were in the minority here, i'm glad that time has passed
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>>4732003
Apparently the range advantage of the arrow was worth not going bareknuckle against Shuten's sword.
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>>4732009
I am only fine with her because she is hosting Tiamat desu.
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>>4732014
WhatIs said it was more he had to keep his Mana Burst off so Donte didn't get sunburnt
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>>4732009
mfw I was one of the original sakurafags.

Truly we have passed into a golden age.
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>>4732020
Sakura has always been great, though I'm a bit worried that the qm's Sakura pic are getting progressively more smug.
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>>4732022
Might be the order he saved them in
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731998
Get some sleep qm....or if your still up. Perhaps you can answer this. Who is your favorite servant? Dunno if this has been asked before but I am genuinely curious.
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>>4731454
>>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?
>"dude, try to not be a dick, for fuck sake."
>"its not that hard."
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Did anyone look at Jason's mats that WhatIs put up?

He has another Golden Fleece.

It's time for another dragon.

Offer Jason a contract and a magical energy supply in exchange for the Fleece? Or demand the Fleece in compensation for his insult towards Medea honestly.

Also this variant of Astrapse Argo would have led Jason to become his own faction if left alone.

We have to be careful to keep Jason onside, I'd actually go as far as to offer him a contract personally for subservience as his Charisma could let him sway Alcides pretty well. Maybe even have a private conversation with Ilya and warn her to pre-emptively use a CS to make sure Alcides can't be coerced by Jason at any point if it would impede our plans.
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>>4732063
Yup, though I shudder when I think of the consequences of two Truth dragons being unleashed on the world.
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>>4732067
Maybe we'll finally get a son.

https://youtu.be/w8-cjd5cdIU
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>>4732063
great, another daughter.
lets do it
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>>4732063
i don't think he can actually summon the Dragon, i think its just the Golden Fleece
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>>4732063
Jason would absolutely try to do that too. He's a worm and an absolute rat, and he'd toss anyone who isn't an argonaut into the fires, friend of Alcides or now.
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>>4732067
I thought about just making a normal non-daughter/son dragon to kill for blood, but yeaah another ally of that caliber could help, I guess? It would be pretty weird to do it intentionally though.
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>>4732085
both are quite weird.
I would like another loli/shota to headpat, to be honest.
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>>4732083
ok i know he's scum of the earth for insulting our wife but no he wouldn't, when the chips are down he's always on the right side of things
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>>4732081
He returns the Fleece to Medea and apologises to her. Medea makes us another Dragon.
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>>4731803
maybe some side arcs too like saving and adopting Kiara and our wacky adventures with Shirou in Syria
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>>4732063
Was Medea's fleece actually lost? I know its not on the sheet but the updates weren't clear about it and I forgot to ask WhatIs
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>>4732103
iirc it was basically rendered inert after the ritual
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>>4732095
yeah nah, he's still a rat to me, and I don't trust golden rats
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>>4732103
the dragon was used already, even if it still exists there is nothing on it anymore, i assume.
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>>4732068
It's nice that all our daughters are adopted or magical accidents, otherwise our family tree would turn into a family bush when our sons inevitably follow our example and marry their sisters.
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>>4732135
well, we are married a greek witch and our sister already.
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>>4732149
We haven't even kissed Sakura yet
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>>4732165
This. We need to make our move.
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>>4732165
>>4732174
indeed.
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Jason has the coin not the fleece right?

Anyway we are stuck with:
Shuten
Medea
Sakura
Saachan
Medusa

As wives maybe Arc if she's as stuck as people have suggested. Kissing Madea and Shuten was a route lock. Spending so much time with Saachan and Sakura to the point they became emotionally dependent is a route lock and Arc is an unknown.
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>>4732221
we're stuck with Arc , no fucking way she's letting us go, we killed Roa for her and fixed her hair, she's sticking with us
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>>4732221
I am 99,999% Arc is locked, or what people would consider a lock.
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>>4732224
The remaining chance is for accidentaly becoming an enemy of the World or buddying it up with Altrouge (hah).
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>>4731454
>let us make one thing clear, Jason. Medea is a great person that deserved more from her life than she got and when referring to her you will choose your words with exceptional care.
I feel we should make our stance regarding Medea clear first. Then if he persist, he can eat a knuckle sandwich.


>>4732063
Before we set out to spawn another dragon, we should consider Alítheia’s feeling on the matter. It’s one thing to gain a daughter out of a happy accident, but another entirely to purposefully bring another into the world for motives that may cause her to be hurt, either making her feel inadequate (am I not good enough for father?) or like a tool (is this what he wanted me for?).
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>Mordred
>Touko
>Illya
>Tamamo
>Giselle
>Ciel
>Rin
Here are the love interests that aren't route locked, Mordred is more or less route locked, she doesn't understand her feelings but she knows she never wants to let us go, she's just not openly affectionate like Medea or Sakura. Tamamo is likely route locked, we did save her from Orochi so its not just yandere tendencies of wanting a husband, she genuinely has a reason to love us. Rin and Touko are the least likely for a route lock since they aren't as insane or emotionally dependent as the rest of the girls on the list
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What if we dead end here and Shinji berates us for being a simp and a cuck?
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>>4732240
i don't think you can be a simp for you wife
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>>4732236
Yeah, I agree with Mordred and Tamamo as locked. Giving Mordred basically her dream and personally saving Tamamo from Orochi which is so bad it made her go serious.
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>>4732236
>>4732243
About Rin, even if she is not route locked, that will eventually happen if she dont find anyone else, she is the sister of our sister/wife so she will always be around.
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>>4732248
I can see that, especially after the Kaleidostar debacle which probably humanized her opinion of us more, and letting her get revenge on Kirei.
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>>4732248
Rin honestly might have the LEAST chance to get route locked unless we like pursue her. Again, she's normal and stable, she's not like Sakura or Sacchin where they literally can't live without us, plus she loves Sakura and dotes on her a lot, she's already aware about her infatuation with us, she's never gonna pursue us as it means she'd be stealing us away from her
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>>4732254
we just need to let her decide by herself, i guess.
And maybe watch her reactions to see if she does loves us but is too tsun tsun to say so.
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>>4732240
we second time dead end ourselves with same or even more extreme vote and go beast on the third try
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>>4732248
Doesn’t she have her personal version of Shirou already?
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>>4732263
Would redman even be on for that?
Also after all this ends we need to have him have some moments with illya.
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>>4732243
what thread was the Orochi battle in?
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>>4732259
i mean, i always suspected that she's always cared about us after we saved Sakura and brought her back in her life, but her ego couldn't allow her to admit that until the magical girl incident. Whenever she did show that she cared, she'd always have to obfuscate it
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>>4732267
Don't remember but basically it was that Orochi disappeared and we had to vote who to protect/who we think hes going after. We chose Tamamo iirc, and then Orochi took a bite out of Arc

>>4732263
Why would this variant of Rin even want/have Shirou/Redman? They didnt really do anything together or anything outside of Redman being her Servant, and thats more bro/butlerhood.
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>>4731454
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
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>>4732277
Battle is at end of 20 and Start of 21
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>>4732277
Rin still had a crush on Shirou cause the high jump still happened, it was kinda destroyed cause of the proposal, but Redman is a different story, he's Shirou but he sure as shit doesn't act like him
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>>4732297
are you saying redman should do a high jump
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Why Rin when superior run (Luvia) exists? She also had a starting opinion higher then Rin without the complications.

Plus Rin and Illya are too prideful to be in a harem. The heroic spirits, Saachan and Sakura have reasons ranging from emotional dependence to the age they were born in.
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>>4732277
Well they put Kirei down together and there Rin referred to him as EMIYA-kun so she has a soft spot for him at least.
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>>4732303
My dude, not only could redman do a high jump, he could do one high enough to clear shirou's iconic jump without a startup
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Does anyone know where candle-kun is? We really should keep track of abominations.
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>>4732351
there are too much people and things for us to keep track all the time.
I'm pretty sure i don't remember were sasaki is.
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>>4732351
behind you
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>>4732221
I really don't think Arcueid is locked. She helped Sakura and Satsuki talk it out when they started fighting, and she has made zero moves since shortly after we met them. I think she decided to set her crush aside after she met the other major contestants and she's finding the whole situation amusing.
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>>4732360
>Arc set her crush aside

I find that wildly unlikely. Especially if that thought comes from her meeting the other contestants.
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>>4732234
Giving her a younger sibling. Kids don't get to choose how often their parents procreate, its a part of growing up.
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>>4732358
Fuck off I actually looked behind me
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>>4732365
Well, if we do it again we can say we've surpassed Mary in being a virgin while having TWO blood related kids. Cause our Truth blood makes these super dragons.
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>>4732365
I think it would be best if we used the... normal way to give our daughters more siblings. One dragon daughter is enough. Alitheia might really feel inadequate if we go out of our way to make another her.

Besides, some of Jason's sliminess might have rubbed off on his stolen Fleece. I wouldn't want to touch it like that.
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>>4732377
Can we just do something like have Morgan Hero Creation the Fleece into our skin? If we're throwing ideas at the wall.
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>>4732379
>Fluffy Shinji
Heh
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>>4732380
Alternatively it can go below the skin and Greek Wool, Son!
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>>4732379
just become female and take Tiamat off Sakura to start spawning truth monsters if you want maximized children
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>>4732236
I think Mordred will use her fathermother's experience to understand her feelings. We are her Merlin. Artoria did not have a romantic relationship with her Merlin, and so Mordred will not seek one either. She'll want us as her best and most reliable bro. Unless we do something to encourage her affections, of course.

As for Tamamo, I haven't played her games and I don't understand her personality all that well. But doesn't she haaaate cheaters and harems? I would think she wouldn't accept being part of one.
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>>4732390
I think Nero managed to wrangle Tamamo, so it can't be that hard. And personally saving her from Orochi while she's got like only a few tails (one tail?) worth of power is something new as well. Orochi is like japanese god/monster boogeyman.
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>>4732393
Did Nero wrangle her as part of an explicit harem though or as part of a team? Because if it was the second, she's already part of the team.
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>>4732393
Tamamo has four currently iirc

>>4732390
I wonder what would it take for Mordred to have Morgan make a copy of Shinji. Currently I can't imagine it, her instinct is clearly screaming at her not to trust her mothermother at all.
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>>4732397
I don't think I'd call it explicit but I remember it being pretty clearly something to that effect.
At least in Extella type stuff where Nero and Tamamo aren't just different routes (or was it CCC?). It was something Extra related but not Extra itself. I checked out at some point, and now there's Extella Link.
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>>4732383
The Greek pantheon is or was at one point before getting their shit slapped by Sefar, comprised of sentient nanomachines and a mothership for each God. Isn't Nasu wacky?
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>>4732365
Well, technically that's true, but it takes a shitty parent to not care with their child's feelings.

And in this case the prospective child would not be born of union of two parents who love each other but of cold deliberation.
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>>4732402
Actually seeing as a lot of the artefacts left behind from the Gods e.g Paris' (Apollo's) bow, Artemis' armour and bow, the energy shield that is Raw Anus, Odysseus' suit and horse, Orion's armour and bow etc. are still mecha the wool/could could still have machine like properties. WhatIs really hates the stupidity that is ancient magitek though so doubt.

>>4732405
Pretty sure Shinji loves Medea and vice versa at this point. She can't conceive yet though, it's basically magical IVF
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>>4732411
>Medea is a Servant
>Satsuki is a vampire
There's only one thing we can do: We need to fuck our sisterwife.
Or we could just wait one week. Medea will be incarnated by then.
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>>4732411
I kinda dont mind ancient greek magitech, but I also didn't mind the Velber magi-reapers.
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>>4732411
And due to Tiamat's dragon affections/affinity it's also Sakura's so less infighting.

Also, in Gil's time, and ancient Mesopotamia in general it was believed that all who contributed to the fug were equally responsible for the child biologically. This is why Gil is 2/3 god, and why his Prima Noctis was also in a way a gift to his people, as he was sharing parenthood with every single newlywed couple.

If we enact the AotG again and have enough mana we could use Truth to make that a fact, and justify haremchadery with few arguments. Then it would just be women aiming to monopolise attention and affection and not offspring as well.
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>>4732420
I think I remember reading that there was one (1) singular instance wherein a Dead Apostle actually had a child somehow. But Nasu never said who it was or how.

>>4732422
Remember how Heimdallr had 9 mothers?
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>>4732421
I think it's fine to cut it off at remnant stuff from the gods is magitek desu. Prometeus only bought fire to the plebs, it took until Tesla finally harnessed lightning that man was finally able to start building into the tech tree that the machine gods originally mastered. Orichalcium is a sentient metal in nasuverse and was used to make the nanomachine tech. Adamantine was used for the super strong stuff. Harpe is meant to be made of Adamant, so it should also be unbreakable but idk if anyone writing nasuverse mats remember this.

>>4732425
Further proof bringing about the AotG will enable a successful harem with fair progeny lineage for all involved. A lot of the psychology behind monogamy is guaranteeing ownership of offspring and passing on genes. Only innately greedy beings like Dragons wish to possess things for possession's sake. Be glad it's Tiamat, a life giver and not Leviathan, the incarnation of Greed in the nasuverse that's inhabiting Sakura.
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>>4732411
This fleece would not be Medea's though, it'd be Jason's.

Honestly I'd rather give Alitheia siblings the old fashioned way than in a way that can lead to conflict between truth dragons or worse, our daughter crying.

>>4732420
speaking of incarnation, Medusa's sisters could be incarnated due to being in Medusa's pocket dimension allowing no counterforce. Doesn't that mean we could safely incarnate all the Servants within ours or Satsuki's Reality Marble?
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>>4732429
Doesn't incarnation make them easier to kill as they bleed blood and wouldn't need to take a decisive spiritual core injury to die? Also we might lose the mental link and the ability to speed heal by just sending them mana through the connection. If it's a cheat workaround it's still kind of forced to be delayed to increase durability in the upcoming fights.

Unless we come up against something innately anti-spiritual like a BLACKED Manaka controlled Gray + Rhongobongo alter or Cerberus and his anti spiritual passives
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>>4732429
Also their Divine cores helped due to having such strong souls and such pathetic bodies, the body was very little effort for them judging by WhatIs' post when it happened.
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>>4732427
I guess its just that in Nasu there isn't much of a divide between magic and technology, except one of methodology. See continued fucking up of Mystery by Science, Notes entirely, and Age of Will.

This makes it so it fits into it for me, and also fits with the Greek myth cyclic nature as well, with the Greek gods being super advanced and then essentially being overthrown by Humanity who are lesser as of yet, but can grow greater in essentially the same manner. Like how Titans->Gods went.

This may be just me making it more palatable to myself, but eh.
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>>4732436
I don't hate it, but I'd assume we might see more biotech style stuff if they keep with that lost tech theme for the Mesoamerican deities come LB7 against ORT chan. Seeing as they're all sentient viruses they might ride hosts akin to a class card install or something to empower random shit with their Authorities.

I can't see how else Guda won't just get Crystal Valleyed instantly.
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>>4732431
Wouldn't Incarnating some Servants make them stronger? For example I don't know why Medea's Divine Words take magical energy to use, it should just be speak and shit gets done because the Foundation is a God's Authority, no need for magical energy which is just tax for illegal resource access. Grail is just a hack and can't do it right.

Saber in HA was command sealed and it was said that she, for a moment, became as strong as she was in life. She jumped 4kms, dodged Hrunting mid-air and cut down Redman instantly.
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>>4732431
Incarnation makes them easier to kill, yes, but we have a strict time limit of one week for dealing with Manaka. And I don't think anyone would argue for incarnating them before we secure the Grail. Or for not using other methods to increase everyone durability post-incarnation.
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>>4732439
We're probably just limited by mana capacity to produce good enough bodies. I imagine even with the trannystar it'd be difficult as inside a RM you might be cucked from properly drawing on parallel dimensions mana reserves. Also Alaya only observes this timeline, what if this leads to the collapse of all other timelines with only this remaining, effectively making the Second completely useless for anything other than fast travel?

>>4732442
Post war incarnation will also help hiding powerlevels at the Clocktower
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>>4732443
>Also Alaya only observes this timeline, what if this leads to the collapse of all other timelines with only this remaining, effectively making the Second completely useless for anything other than fast travel?
Every timeline gets its own Alaya. They are usually in contact. Our Alaya just severed that contact. Nothing's changed for every other Alaya.
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>>4732445
Doesn't want them all ditching their own timelines for Seaweed
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>>4732431
Yeah, it's not something we should be doing now, but it's nice to know the option is not far fetched.

>>4732442
>And I don't think anyone would argue for incarnating them before we secure the Grail
Ideally that should be the case, yes
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>>4732443
It's also unclear how widespread a timeline collapse would be, even in the unlikely event it happens. Would it collapse all Adjacent Worlds in a given Tree of Time, given that the Second is "Operation of Parallel Worlds(Adjacent Worlds)" or would it do so to every Tree of Time somehow? Making our Tree a true timeline could actually be a good thing.

For example, some theorize that something like that was the plan of Zepia/is the plan of Marisbilly.

Since calculating/saving every world/time isn't possible, and something that can fuck all possible worlds can be born in a given world, then to make it possible to guard reality, you should make a singular history.

Also, most high-tier Servants are fuck-off degrees stronger alive than as a Servant.

Also, if the 2nd goes kaput, that just means that the world becomes different, not that its fucked. (Not that I think its going to happen unless we fuck with Zelretch directly)
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Why hasn't Shinji tried to make a more effective reinforcement using truth in combination? We did it with healing.
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>>4732453
At that point we might as well try using Truth to straight up upgrade our body/circuits, instead of a temporary effect imo. Healing is technically permanent too, in the sense that its not continuous which I think would tank our reserves with Truth stuff.
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>>4732453
No one thought of it during the training arc?
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>>4732450
The passive pruning of dead end/stagnant timelines wouldn't need to happen if there was only a single solid tree with little to no branches consuming the energy of the universe. Which would leave the neo-True timeline able to stagnate if left unchecked. Shinji might have to be a jannie forever to keep humanity moving forward and motivated lest reality hits a wall of hedonism and mediocrity. Probably also best to ensure there's at least a few spare timelines around to reseed reality if we fuck up at some point if there is a mass deletion of forced non-canon timelines.

I imagine we'd just keep a copy of every canon mainline Typemoon story around so there's a blank slate left to go off worst case, and then try it all again with functional metaknowledge. Infinitely repeating cycle trying to chase an end that just isn't feasible kino end
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We can try bringing our body closer to Original Human I guess. That should swole us up without turning us into some kind of abomination, since Truth stuff should be able to do it? Making us the archetype of a human body.

>>4732456
That's a pretty good point. I guess if we could reprogram the Counter Force to also destroy stagnation causing shit instead of just timeline/World ending shit it might work?
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>>4732456
Why don't we just focus on this specific timeline? I don't want to be the multiverse's jannie forever.

>>4732458
>Making us the archetype of a human body.
What are the chances of this causing every single human from now on to be born as a Wakame clone, following that archetype?
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>>4732459
Probably none since current humanity is already holy shit degraded grade.

Also, humans don't look Gilgameshesque even if they are closer to prime human like Nanaya dudes. It's concept fuckery since the "archetype of human" shouldn't be an actual material thing.
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>>4732458
Basically turns the jannie force into DNSL going around purging anything 'boring'

>>4732458
>>4732459
If the mooncell is around we can go through the archives of people during Nimrod's reign, pick a powerful design that was killed by the Great Flood so we don't pollute the gene pool as it's a dead end borrowed lineage but still very ancient and mysteriously swole. Maybe go as far back and copy Abel's form/traits as he died before getting to have kids and was the earliest possible male that didn't get to COOM
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just do apotheosis
it is much safer and effective
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>>4732464
Only if it avoids niggerlothotep and there's no change to Shinji's psyche.

Also True Immortals from the Golden Age of designated shitting myths might be another option. Touko can memory transfer us with Karna so we can check out Drona in the flesh.
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>>4732461
Yeah, but we'll be messing with Truth to make this happen. Unforeseen consequences aren't entirely impossible. I can see us accidentally making it the Truth of this world "Shinji Makiri is the human archetype. All humans should look like him." Alaya probably wouldn't even mind enough to prevent it given her infatuation.

>>4732463
If the mooncell is around, I would prefer it if we blew up the moon and made a new one without mooncancer.
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>>4732466
Download the historical records first ofc. How else will Siddhartha teach us OG Kung Fu?
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>>4732465
Another option is to get someone who can look at the Universe of Record and have Betty make an empty body to study/transfer into instead of Moon Cell, and another is to track down a Xian like that Crypter and make them teach us ancient chinese cultivation, locally revert to AoG with Alitheia and have a dank cultivation session.

You think those would work? Since I don't know if Moon Cell is a thing. Maybe we'll make Chaldea 2 to check out cool stuff in alternate worldlines.
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>>4732470
It needs a benis though. Lelouche's body in LB3 is a Ken doll.

Shinji's cultivator chink manga adventures as he sacrifices children over and over to increase his cultivation efficiency by 0.07%
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>>4732468
I suppose I can't object that much if we end up blowing the thing

Why do we want to become so swole anyway? We're already close to peak human, and Magecraft with Truth dunk pretty heavily on anything we might accomplish with martial arts.

Hell, gutpunching Jason will be the first punch we throw since the HGW started!
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>>4732465
just take knowledge about it
we have no need for his powers or influence since we'll be just upgrading ourselves to a proper form suitable to host our full nature and powers
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>>4732472
If Shinji with just reinforcement can make Jason feel genuine pain as a servant with a single rage punch I think he's fine physically.

Just autistically theory crafting as the conversation went that way desu. Actually powergaming for self buffs is boring and takes the entertainment out of quests, you get strong and you either run out of things to do or you get some bullshit depowering event to artificially humble you and make more content Awakening moment
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>>4732472
We used our kungfu against lugh and ibaraki's master but both of those times they were ineffective.
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>>4732478
Ok we lost to a woman in h2h without pulling out the bullshit magic. There's the SWOLEQUEST motivator
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>>4732477
>depowering event to artificially humble you

xianxia mortal arc for Xian Shinji
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>>4732477
Alright, as long as we don't actually try to go the "powergaming for self buffs" route for real. Because I completely agree it's boring and it takes the entertainment out. I'm here for the characters, not the munchkin autism.
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>>4732477
>>4732482

I, for one, want to pursue the path of swole both magically and punch wise.
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>>4732485
We shall cast the ultimate spell: FIST

Also if we can alter our physical appearence with Truth, can we use it to get a bit taller?
>169cm
We are currently a midget when standing close to the other Servants.
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>>4732486
We are a giant among men in Nipponland.
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>>4732488
We are actually slightly below the average asian male height.
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>>4732486
If anyone in the harem isn't IMAGINE sized compared to Shinji's he's officially a manlet. Lucky there's a few more years of natural growth left to reach above subhuman status.

He can't keep going days without food. GOMAD time. Plenty of milk around us
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>>4732491
Meh, we're already 18, I don't think we'll get much taller than this.
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Need a chat to Alcides in downtime about diet options. Darius is the king of bulk though, getting that size without any Divine blood lifters

>>4732492
Shirou gained over a foot post FSN
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>>4732495
>Shirou gained over a foot post FSN
Now that you mention it even Kirei grew taller between F/Z and F/SN. Weird.
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>>4732496
orphan diet
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>>4732490
From what I can find out, we are slightly below average for Japanese 2020 data. But people have been consistently getting taller, so without digging for actual 2004 data I'd guess we're actually slightly above average. And bound to get taller.
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>"You will regret those words"
>>4731459
>>4731476
>>4731483

>Punch him. "How dare you."
>>4731460

>Regret, Watching, Punch
>>4731463
>>4731482
>>4731486
>>4731493
>>4731495
>>4731548
>>4732046

>Regret, punch
>>4731466

>Regret, watching
>>4731469
>>4731530

>Watching
>>4731492
>>4731725
>>4731454

>Punch
>>4731497

>Watching, Punch, "Don't be a dick."
>>4732051

>"Let me make one thing clear.
">>4732234

Tell me if I missed anyone, properly calling and writing in 10 minutes.
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>>4732501
get a load of the sleeplet
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>>4732502
Sleep is for mere men like us. WhatIs has transcended those limitations.
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>>4732502
No bulli pls
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>>4732504
Did you read our most recent autism?
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>>4732504
Our evil witch is cute! CUTE!
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>>4732506
Impressive.
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>>4732508
thank
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>>4732506
What was it?
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>>4732504
are you afraid of becoming awakening?
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>>4732507
She is truly a Flawless Wife.
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>>4732511
just scroll up
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>>4732514
Im on phone bro
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>>4732514
Also cooking
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>>4732477
In hindsight, following up the 'Depowered Island Hellscape where you job to bushes' arc with the 'Bullied by Wuxia Protagonist and turned into a depowered cripple being wheeled around by his lolis' arc was the worst idea one could have for plot progression.
Or maintaining a character who could have a modicum of self-respect.
Then again, one could probably argue that following up on a grail war with 'Grail War Hard Mode!' was a bad idea in the long term.
And what was up with Ayaka in the story anyway? Did she have any reason at all to be in the story?
>>4732512
Not really.
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>>4732515
download a computer

tl;dr
>Jason has a second copy of the fleece - new child potential
>Ilya should be warned to CS Alcides to protect him from Jason manipulating him against us
>waifu autism
>greekoid magitek discussion
>AoG multi parent child progeny (google why gil is 2/3 god)
>incarnation pros/cons
>multi timeline drifting implications
>using the mooncell and/or memories and/or cultivation to find a swole form to take so we aren't a 169cm manlet who loses to women in combat without utilising magic
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>>4732518
you're supposed to clap? why aren't you clapping?

>>4732517
Stop you're going to make me actually enjoy Awakening as a comedy
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>>4732517
still thinking about hecate
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>>4732517
I mean, seriously? Why Ayaka?
Was it all just for the reference?
Lets avoid crest worms, wouldn't wanna trigger the mods.
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>>4732521
Why was she a rabbit?
Like, an explanation was given.
But why the fuck was she a rabbit?
Also the funniest part about Hecate is that at that point, every single player just guessed that it was her immediately.
Despite her being a rabbit girl.
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>>4732523
Usagi moon rabbit pls clap it's based on a Japanese franchise
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>>4732519
Thank you fren
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>>4732520
>Stop you're going to make me actually enjoy Awakening as a comedy
Don't forget how smug Human Yumigawa managed to be despite being abused horribly by Circe and having his parents turned into birds.
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>>4732526
Maybe he was a masochist and his birdgirl dom completed his empty existence and made him feel something finally. He was supposed to be mr apathetic genius, no? Was he meant to be a perfect copy at square one in the Akeldama? Questions for Sweets. I still want him to finish for closure's sake desu senpai
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>>4732523
>funniest part about Hecate
was that she was super high roll and she just fucked off with stolen ayaka
on top of killing last affection in circe
...you know? we kinda at this arc ourselves right now
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>>4732528
>...you know? we kinda at this arc ourselves right now
?????
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>>4732528
Medea affection won't wane as we fist Jason for her sake.

I still want to demand the fleece and a formal apology to her as compensation for him being a cunt in life.
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>>4732530
I'd rather we resolved to surprise fist him every single time he's a cunt in our presence. Medea will certainly enjoy it more than an gift she doesn't want and an empty apology.
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Also if punching Jason here dead ends us as Billy has his based goggles on and he unloads before asking.

Won't even be mad. But Billy understands I imagine.

>>4732532
We introduce him to Shuten unsupervised in a Truth locked room if he continues
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>>4732527
We still never got to find out who the fuck Assassin or their Master were.
Like, I think the last guesses were that it was Shirou and Sakura's daughter or something.
Why did we even go into the Grail when we knew that an Assassin that couldn't be detected at all was pursuing us?

I will never not find the inclusion of Shirou, Sakura, Rin and Rider to be a mistake in that quest. Shirou actually manifesting UBW, using it to shoot a single barrage of metal and then standing on a hill to charge and shoot Caladbolg II will always stand out to me.
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>>4732529
trying to be buddy-buddy with person she hates the most and stated it so
obv not 1 to 1 but as close as it gets
unless Perseus shows up
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>>4732533
Repurpose the worm pit if we didn't turn that into a crater actually.

>>4732534
Introducing the old cast is always a really bad move. It's artificial drama at best, cringe at worst.
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>>4732534
>who the fuck Assassin or their Master were
a very important thing
even now
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>>4732533
There's no way Billy dead ends us here. Epiphany triggers if the punch is strong enough to actually threaten his life. You cannot imagine how much I hope this happens.

And Medea would certainly do better than Shuten if left alone with Jason in an unsupervised Truth locked room.

>>4732535
We're about to punch his bitch ass, I wouldn't exactly count this as buddy-buddy.
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>>4732535
The difference is that Circe was turned into the living manifestation of seething at everything at that point, and Hecate wasn't even a bad person.
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>>4732538
Yeah, but in this quest Second Assassin has actually been laying low.
They didn't show up to shit talk you and attempt more assassination attempts on you than the CIA attempted on Castro in the span of 30 minutes.
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>>4732539
Shuten is sorely lacking in entertainment though, where else is she allowed to show that side of herself now that she's not allowed to eat normies?

We should build her a "Wine Cellar" where we dispose of mages and other issues, alive of course, that we don't want to see anymore so she can still have a fulfilling life as per her Oni nature.
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>>4732543
I approve. Mages are terrible people, they deserve whatever Shuten does to them. No one will object after we find the first basement full of orphans.

Though I think she actually enjoys being dommed out some of her usual pleasures. It's a new experience for her.
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>>4732539
good improv over original reception
>>4732540
true
although reading that update got me impression you were about to make Medea cry because she was slapped in the face by fate with Jason again
and just after she found happines
>>4732542
just teasing
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>>4732546
>>4732545
>>4732537
What wwill medeas reaction be to us whiping his shit?
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>>4732549
fluid down the thigh
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>>4732549
100/100 and yobai
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>>4732550
There are 4 types of fluid that can run down her thigh bro
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>>4732553
use your best judgement
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>>4732549
99.9999/100
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>>4732554
Bro shes litterally gonna diarrhea herself once she sees us whip his shit
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>>4732561
servants don't shid they're perfect and clean.
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>>4732519
Gonna have to chime in that Heimdall is a better example for us about the miracle of AoG multi parenting. Dude had 9 mothers, which seems relevant to us.
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>>4732564
Taiga sucks as a groomer.
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>>4732562
This time is the exception
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>>4732565
She's too much of a deadbeat. Forces Shirou to develop life skills and therefore independence due to her absence of them
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>>4732565
To be fair, she wanted Shirou's dad instead.
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>>4732570
Kerry ignored prime Taiga, such a waste
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>>4732570
We need to fucking call her
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>>4732570
She'd better hope we're unable to pull Iri from the Grail then. Also, picrel to the discussion about Medea's reaction to the Punch?

>>4732574
We're too busy. We need to tell Shirou to get his balls out of his fiancee for five minutes and call her.
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"Jason, Jason, Jason. You are, without a doubt. Absolutely going to regret having uttered those words." Your voice drops to a cold threatening tone, while you can tolerate working with Jason, one thing you aren't going to tolerate is him badmouthing Medea in front of you. Yes, she made a few mistakes in her life, but none that were actually her fault. Gods forcing you to love somebody with your everything is guaranteed to have huge repercussions, and Jason probably should have foreseen that something might end up going wrong if he ditched the girl who butchered her brother without a second thought for nothing more than a distraction. Like seriously, what the hell did he think was going to happen?

"H-huh?!" Jason sounds a little shocked by the sudden change in your disposition. You easily slip into the mood of a martial artist as you walk closer to the man. You're concealing your true intentions as you get into close range with the unaware man.

"Ah man..." Alcides pinches the bridge of his nose. "That was a... very bad choice of words there, Jason." Even Alcides acknowledges that the man could definitely have chosen his words more wisely, and Illya has a curious smile on her face as she looks at you and Jason, what could she be thinking?

"Alcides?!" Jason turns to the Avenger, a surprised expression on his face as even Alcides is shaking his head at Jason's decision to badmouth Medea in front of you. Of course, he couldn't have known that something like that was going to annoy you so much. Honestly, of all the Casters to be summoned in a war, it's not like Jason could really expect Medea to be one of them. He'd have to be really quite unlucky to end up badmouthing her in front of her Master who has a very good relationship with her. "What's going on?" The man sounds confused, and you almost feel bad for him. Almost.

"Well, first off, Medea is almost certainly watching this exchange between us go down, ready to intervene should it be needed." You're surprised that little comment of his didn't get a barrage of hellfire cast down upon him by the vengeful Caster. Maybe she just trusts your judgment in dealing with Jason yourself? That would be nice.

"O-oh." Jason sounds like somebody has just crushed on all his dreams. Then you turn to Alcides, who gives you a reluctant nod. You're glad that Alcides understands that Jason can't really get away with badmouthing Medea. While Alcides is a good friend of Jason's, it's not like he doesn't all have a close relationship with Medea too, so it's not like he has any real reason to step in to defend Jason over Medea, especially when both of them had their lives practically ruined by the gods, and Medea did cure Heracles of the curse that led him to slay his own sons in life.
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"And second..." You're right in front of Jason now, and you suddenly duck down, reinforce your right arm to a great degree, and whip an immensely powerful snake-style punch right into his left kidney. it's an attack that could've been easily lethal on Jason had you gone for a Servant's vital point, but if you had done that, Alcides would've gotten pissed, you would've lost the potential allies here, and Jason would've likely been able to avoid it through means of Epiphany in the Jaws of Death. No, you wanted him to feel pain.

Jason struggles to make a noise as he drops to the floor, clutching his side in pain. "...Medea is my Servant, and a woman who I care a great deal for. I won't have you or anybody else badmouthing her without suffering the consequences." You scowl at Jason. You're surprised with yourself just how much you've been personally offended by somebody making a dismissive comment about the woman.

Billy has his gun drawn, and he's pointing it at you. "That was a mistake, pal." Ah, Billy. A dangerous enemy to have for sure, however, you just look the boy in the eyes. If he attacks here, then he's doing nothing more than confirming his own death, as well as Jason's.

"Oh, put down that thing before you get yourself hurt, Billy." You look at the boy with a frown on your face. "This was something that needed to be handled between me and Jason, and while your loyalty to your newfound friend and commander here is admirable, I don't intend to do anything else to Jason here, though if I were him I'd watch my tongue when it came to speaking about Medea in the future."

Jason gets up from the floor, finally, and raises an arm in front of Billy. "He's right, Archer. It's obvious that we're outmatched here, there's no sense in us trying to resort to violence." Jason sighs, annoyed that he really has no chance at victory. The fact that Alcides didn't intervene on his part means that even if Alcides shares a deep bond with him, it's clear that he isn't simply going to abandon you and Illya for Jason when the fate of the world is at stake. "Now, did you come here for any reason other than to introduce yourself as potential allies and punch me in the kidney? Or are you going to be taking your leave now?" Jason clearly wants you to leave him alone now.

>"I think that was about all I needed to say, yes."
>"Actually, I'm wondering if the two of you are in need of Masters, I'm quite sure I can find some for the two of you. (Viable candidates with enough Magical Energy: Sakura, Illya, Mordred, Aoko, Touko, Ciel)
>"Do you think you'll be able to get this boat finished quicker with some assistance from Alcides here?"
>"Can you tell me about Orochi and his other Servants? I might be able to recognize some of them by a described appearance."
>Write-in...
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>>4732577
>>"Actually, I'm wondering if the two of you are in need of Masters, I'm quite sure I can find some for the two of you. (Viable candidates with enough Magical Energy: Aoko and Touko.
>>"Do you think you'll be able to get this boat finished quicker with some assistance from Alcides here?"
>>"Can you tell me about Orochi and his other Servants? I might be able to recognize some of them by a described appearance."
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>>4732577
>"Actually, I'm wondering if the two of you are in need of Masters, I'm quite sure I can find some for the two of you. (Viable candidates with enough Magical Energy: Sakura, Illya, Mordred, Aoko, Touko, Ciel)
>"Can you tell me about Orochi and his other Servants? I might be able to recognize some of them by a described appearance."
Jason can go to whoever wants him. Illya maybe, along with his pal? I think Touko would be very compatible with Billy.

As expected, Alcides is a bro. That was immensely satisfying. We can't offer Alcides's assistance, he'll be busy fighting a snake for the foreseeable future.
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>>4732582
But who gets what Servant?
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>>4732582
Actually I think offering Ilya for Jason is better. Pairing the two is a good idea.

I'd still opt to give Billy to Touko though.
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>>4732577
>"Actually, I'm wondering if the two of you are in need of Masters, I'm quite sure I can find some for the two of you. (Touko with Billy, Illya with Jason)
>"Do you think you'll be able to get this boat finished quicker with some assistance from Alcides here?"
>"Can you tell me about Orochi and his other Servants? I might be able to recognize some of them by a described appearance."
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>>4732582
Support
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>>4732586
Its in the green text
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>>4732577
>>4732590
+1
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>>4732593
It just says Aoko and Touko
Not which sister gets which Servant.
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>>4732577
>>4732590
Support
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>>4732588
its also better because his shit wont work with Illya and her command spells
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>>4732601
If Alcides wouldn't be upset if something happened to Jason i'd give him to Sakura under constant threat of vore but alas.
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Jason is to be forced to the frontlines against Orochi at all times for best use of his skillset :^)

Medea gets to watch him run around screaming from the giant octosnek
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>>4732603
Yeah, Alcides didn't mind the punch but he'd PROBABLY draw the line at feeding his friend to our sisterwife for insulting our casterwife.
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>>4732604
From the comfort of the command room while BB makes snacks
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>>4732577
>Can you tell me about Orochi and his other Servants? I might be able to recognize some of them by a described appearance."
>>"Actually, I'm wondering if the two of you are in need of Masters, I'm quite sure I can find some for the two of you. (Viable candidates with enough Magical Energy: Sakura, Illya, Mordred, Aoko, Touko, Ciel)
Suggest Illya for Jason, let Billy take his pick. Touko does sound good though.

Maybe we could buy Jason a proper warship, or commission a brand new one, but that would probably take time we don't have right now.
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>>4732577
Interesting that our punch could've been lethal if we hit a Servant's vital point it says.

Guess we aren't THAT unswole with reinforcement?
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>>4732604
As long as he buffs Alcides, I don't care what else he does. He can stay in the couch watching TV while we save the world.
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>>4732603
desu he asked for cute and funny girl right before
good luck trying to do something to Illya tho
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>>4732609
Yeah, we're at weak servant level with reinforcement. People just wanted to get swole without reinforcement, for some reason.
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>>4732608
Before we leave we'll scout the docks for whatever would make the best base ship for the Argo.

I'm gonna assume it can fly, otherwise it's fucking useless as all but a scuffed version of Galahad's shield

>>4732610
He needs to be personally in grave danger for almost all of his skills to be fully utilised. Summoning of Argonauts and escaping harm included
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>>4732613
I'm talking about Far Off Sea Route, not Epiphany or the Argo. Says nothing about him needing to be in danger personally.
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>>4732612
So it can stack with reinforcement. Makes sense to me desu. I just didnt think weak Servant STR was that good with our C Assassin Art. Guess that was wrong.
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>>4732615
LB5 dialogue and Okeanos dialogue indicates he basically needs to be shitting himself constantly to be competent. When he's under pressure he shines, otherwise he's pathetic
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>>4732616
Maybe this will serve us a warning to Jason that male stripper uniforms don't make good personal armor.
...
Nah.
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Does the Far Off Sea Route extend to crew that would join him on a new Argo or is that restricted to Alcides/Argonauts and, er, Medea?
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>>4732618
We don't need him to be competent himself though. Just provide some passive buffs to the man who is already competent.

>>4732621
I think it's original Argonauts only. And it doesn't work on those who currently loathe him, so no Medea.
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>>4732621
>Emboldening those who once sailed upon the Argo. Encouraging those who have not, somehow. >It could be called an extremely limited subcategory of Charisma.

Does state 'sailed upon'
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>>4732519
I also remembered the idea was floated to have Morgan implant Jason's Golden Fleece in us with a Hero Creation for Greek invincible Nanomachine memes, but I forgot if that was an actual plan. Wouldn't be surprised either way
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>>4732626
None of those were actual plans, really.
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>>4732590
>>4732577
Support, Aoko already has a grooming target so Touko gets a shota instead. Illya will probably be good for Jason.
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Calling in 30 minutes

>>4732626
An excellent idea if you want to be uh, kind of fluffy.
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>>4732627
Makes sense, I just dont know sometimes at first glance.
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>>4732624
Jason was outright rejected by Orochi for being too weak. His shit talking might help offer distractions and we don't even want/need him to survive this long term. If he dies tragically against the Orochi that'll just set Alcides off against it more and his magical energy is so low he won't fill any of the cups enough to matter.

>>4732630
Is it nanomachines or not? I don't care if it does nothing other than it's very slight heal while is redundant with Truth.
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>>4732632
If Jason is on the verge of dying, Medea needs to secretly turn his annoying stripper ass into a wand before he completely dies. Still need him for his Argonauts, and at least the wand will not talk shit about powerful women who can turn them into inanimate objects.
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>>4732632
what was that last sentence even meant to say?
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>>4732632
The Argon Coin is just the Golden Fleece.
It's just the fleece of a golden winged ram.
It's very comfortable, and has a spirit living in it.
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>>4732631
The actual potential post-War plans are, I think:
Save Kiara, potentially adopt her
Clocktower Harry Potter arc
British Conquest
New Age of Gods

Am I forgetting anything?

>>4732632
Yeah, but Orochi didn't care that he buffs people when he doesn't have people to be buffed.
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>>4732636
mooncell checkup after we take a spacefaring nation's stuff in the conquest of the anglosphere

>>4732635
will it make the seaweed mop irresistible to headpatting?
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>>4732636
I think there was checking up on Oni village, Einzbern/Illya lifespan and like 1 or 2 people brought the idea of making a not scuffed Chaldea equivalent just in case?
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>>4732638
>>4732640
Oh, right. And we should probably check up on the Strange Fake situation, we don't want the Yankees triggering that Grail War under our noses.
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>>4732636
Should also find Hakuno. He's likely in Japan in cryostasis. Palm off Tamamo and or BB.

>>4732640
We need to ask Alcides how his Golden Apples work, he should have 3 stored in King's Order. They grant Divinity and Longevity, the Divinity is likely sealed due to his unique Avenger manifestation. That'll help Ilya.

There was also the issue of ensuring Sakura vores Prelati so she constantly respawns and seethes inside her, potentially imparting more sadism and a bonus of immortality to Sakura.
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>>4732641
Strange Fake probably can't happen if Prelati is vored soon. Otherwise she'll hire Sigma and give the amerimutts what they need to activate the ritual.
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>>4732643
>Palm off Tamamo
unbased
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>>4732635
What would happen if we incarnated the spirit from the fleece? I wouldn't want to be trapped in what is effectively a greek sweater for the rest of my life.
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>>4732645
Enjoy being castrated while you sleep if she's not the only girl
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>>4732643
Tamamo should have no bond with that Hakuno. It'd be like trying to palm off Medea to Kuzuki. And weren't we planning to send BB back where she came from?

>>4732644
All the more reason to do it then.
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>>4732647
You can heal from that.
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>>4732645
If it was cat I'd want her around, vanilla fox is too possessive.

>>4732648
We still have no idea how Tamamo was summoned. It might not have been through the Fuyuki system, she may have a full spectrum of memories from past summons. How the fuck does a Divine Spirit just manifest with no vessel spontaneously?
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>>4732647
Silly anon, she'd eat the offending hussy first.
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>>4732649
Doesn't make it pleasant.

CBTCHADS I KNEEL
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>>4732651
we must do it
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>>4732649
Sakura has this somewhere in their room, and its handmade I just know it.

>>4732651
Cute
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>>4732650
If it wasn't through the Fuyuki system then we still have an extra Caster unaccounted for. And if she had her past memories with her Hakuno, why would she get so attached to us?

Though I admit everything about her circumstances is weird. From her power as a Spirit to her Master being an apparently normal Fox.

>>4732652
Medea has consistently mogged her in the casting department, and Sakura is the bane of magic and the champion of voreing to boot. I'd very much like to see her try.
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>>4732650
>How the fuck does a Divine Spirit just manifest with no vessel spontaneously?
Probably by shucking off her tails/divinity and reacquiring them when already summoned. Cheat the system.
Or Amaterasu's time axis ignoring ass just willed it
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>>4732656
I remember Tamamo with multiple tails scaling retardedly like each tail is the previous powerlevel to the power of 9, and they stack
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>>4732647
>Implying she could
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>>4732658
Tamamo is probably the biggest jobber in the quest so far, comparing the theoretical powerlevels vs actual performance so far
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>>4732660
Gil got serious when Manaka sealed his clairvoyance. Someone had to take his place.
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>>4732660
She just hasn't had much of a chance to shine.
In terms of pure power, she's got a ridiculous amount on her side.
But in terms of skill, Medea is still her superior.
Think of it like Sasaki vs Saber.
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>>4732660
fox wife has strong wife skills
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>>4732659
I wonder what Nrvsqr's last thoughts were while he was quickly digested in Sakura's cute belly.

>>4732660
If Tamamo didn't keep thinking about getting dick inside of her 24/7 and was actually independent and more clear headed she might actually be a threat.
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>>4732660
I can kinda forgive it because she jobbed to Orochi whos Anti Divine looks custom made to dumpster those like her, since Tails bring her closer toD ivinity. But she still jobbed hard.
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>>4732667
if I didn't know reddit made these i'd appreciate it
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>>4732668
Meh. Who cares. Memes are memes. Do you care who made the chair you're sitting on?
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>>4732668
It's funny and in character, who cares about the rest.
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You should spend more time with your cute fox wife and maybe she'd get a chance to shine.

>>4732667
The idea of anybody trying to forcibly remove a drunk Shuten from a place is humorous, and likely ends with a lot of dead security guards.
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>>4732670
>>4732671
It's just those edits in particular, as a lot of proper cringe in that style is shitposted in /fgog/ and /alter/ constantly so I have ptsd
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If Morgan grafts Self-Modification onto us, and we use it to modify ourself, is that permanent because while the Self-Mod skill goes away as per her Hero Creation, the effect is one step removed?
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>>4732672
I'd rather spend more time with our cute evil witch wife and give her more chances to put the fox in her place.
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>>4732672
I've tried but I'm the only one who apparently likes fluffy tails.
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>>4732673
I dropped FGO and left /fgog/ at the end of 2020 because the game fucking sucks now.
Still, I'm glad it gave us stuff like Shuten.
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>>4732674
Morgan's skill-granting is servant only.
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>>4732674
>she is capable of using this skill to temporarily copy and grant a Class Skill or the majority of Personal Skills from one Servant to another

>one Servant to another

slightly less fun allowed.

She can make cum clones though. Who do you think is best for extracting some from Alcides so we can send a small army of them after Orochi?
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Lugh is going to have so much fun with Billy
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>>4732673
This better?
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>>4732677
I only browse on new content now for infodumps, game is permanent veteranchad status and I just play it on the clock because I'm unfirable atm
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>>4732672
>You should spend more time with your cute fox wife and maybe she'd get a chance to shine.

This is actually a good point in that we should at minimum ask her who summoned her or how, even if it was that fox when we met.
Maybe also ask about her Cursecraft since it can supposedy do a lot. And the Mirror.
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>>4732679
>Alcides
>Falling for the charms of a random thot
Yeah, no. We'd have better luck tying him and milking him, and that is certainly not something I'd like to see happen.
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>>4732681
I don't want her to cry when we say no anons... She's such an innocent tomboy, but the rest of the women in our lives are too beautiful and scary to give up.
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>>4732672
Tamamo is easier to ignore as she is less of an immediate threat to Shinji's life if we do so

>>4732681
cute retard

>>4732684
Hey do you mind if Jason gives you a quick brojob so we can send some shock troop clones based on you after the Orochi?
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>>4732682
I just restarted the game yesterday to do Hokusai's skill interlude and I'll put it back in hiatus again.
I wouldn't mind having another cute Foreigner Servant in the quest
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>>4732685
She won't cry anon. We're her Merlin. Merlin didn't fuck her fathermother, and that's the example she'll want to use for our relationship.
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>>4732689
We already went over this anon. We'll get our tomboy wife Queen/King
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>>4732688
I'd opt for Yang, as Cthuga is Nyarly's natural enemy and has chased him away before in myth. Also she's a special kind of crazy where she appears very normal on the surface but is very much not.

Clytie a cute, but I don't see the point in even more mentally ill women with attachment issues for no real purpose. Yan does something for us by shooing off Nyarly.
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>>4732686
>Tamamo is easier to ignore as she is less of an immediate threat to Shinji's life if we do so

inb4 Amaterasu is squatting outside the timeline and waiting for us the moment we ascend, ready to cosmic drain us
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>>4732685
>scary
Mordred hasn't tried to be scary with you before, but please try to remember the woman who raised her.
>>4732686
But the fluffy tails!
Don't you just want to stroke them?
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>>4732693
I've said to many times
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>>4732693
>But the fluffy tails!
Sold.
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>>4732690
We've been over this before, and we'll probably go over this again. Mordred is for a strictly non-romantic bro relationship
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>>4732693
She's team pet damegami though
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>>4732696
I respectfully disagree with you. Mordred had a hard life and deserve all the love we can give her.
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>>4732696
Prequest I found Morud a laughable brainlet. This variant I like, but it likely cannot be without AoG haremchad amendments to the laws of conception
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>>4732698
>>4732699
I liked Mordred in Apocrypha. I'd gladly drink beers with her as a bro. But I just don't see an actual romantic relationship working out all that well for either of us. She's had a hard life, but that just means she needs a friend more than she needs a dick.
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>>4732700
Did you call?
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>>4732702
WhatIs' confirmed fetish list based on just this thread

>vore
>CBT
>Futanari + growth
>incest
>furry (mild)
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I'd rather keep the harem to a small size, but everyone keeps sugesting to add more girls. Hope you know what you're doing.
Also i really can't believe Rin would join. If in Fate and HF she kept her distance even though she liked Shirou, then there's no way she'd join when she disliked Shinji until recently, and knows Sakura loves him.
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>>4732702
Go away Merlin. No one likes you.
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>>4732702
He's going to give either our daughters or our harem members cocks isn't he. Poor Olga probably already is a Futa now and Merlin is grooming her to believe that its a normal thing.
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reminder that Moedred already tried to sleep with us just last night
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>>4732702
Sorry, we ordered Proto Merlin, wrong order.
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>>4732708
Proto Merlin is going to give us a pussy so she could fulfill her fujo mpreg grooming fantasies. She's worse than Aoko.
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>>4732696
Fuck off
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>>4732704
I think the five girls described in >>4732221 is actually what has the widest support at the moment and adding more girls to the harem just has a few vocal supporters for every potential girl.
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>>4732715
Nah. I'd 100% include Arc and Tamamo at minimum.
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>>4732715
all the girls
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>>4732716
I like Arcueid a lot actually, she's one of the more independent and clear headed ones in the harem who won't lash out or emotionally breakdown if we say no. Women like that are keepers. She would follow us to the ends of the earth if we allow her.
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>>4732719
She basically already out and out said she'll follow us around, implied forever or until we die.
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>>4732720
shes the one who can keep rest from infighting the best
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>>4732719
What about tokou
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>>4732724
She deserves better than being in a harem, she's better than her sister. All Christmas Cakes deserve a nice hardworking man in his thirties who's ready for a family. I think she would accept a rejection about as well as Monica would, once we say no her reaction would be "Ugh, what was I thinking going after my student?"
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>>4732727
Oh shit.

>>4732728
Maybe we should introduce her to Kuzuki, if he's still alive.
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>>4732727
OH FUCK CANDLE-KUN
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I can't believe how fast this thread has filled up, honestly.
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>>4732732
There are 6 of your threads still up. Not that surprising.
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>>4732732
Lots of Ransa-san's lately QM. Are you trying to imply that Ayaka and Gil already encountered him, and she took off her glasses accidentally and it purified him?

She is a protagonist too after all, and it would make sense for her old harem members to go back to simping for her even if its a different timeline.
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See I keep warning people about candle-kun hopefully that doesn't fuck us.

Does anyone know what happened to the family Betty made that went into our shadow? She made it before we met Medea and I don't think it ever came up again.
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>>4732727
We gotta check on Betty and Abby after we come back.
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>>4732738
Or maybe they encountered him and he's about to die, Lancer's candle burning out.
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>>4732740
>>4732729
>>4732730
legion is bro
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>>4732742
A Lancer dies episode. I feel like I've seen this episode before..
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>>4732743
Oh crap, we didn't make Candle-Kun into a familiar, did we? Maybe he's running out of energy?
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>>4732727
Should have named him candle ja
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>>4732749
hes prob abby's familiar now
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>>4732759
He won't be very happy we broke our promise. And we were recently discussing the importance of having a scouting method other than SHIKI, scrying and maybe Shuten.
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>>4732761
lets just check on him on next vote
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>>4732762
Yeah, I'd like to check on the girls as well, just in case.
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"Actually, I came here because I heard the two of you are... looking for Masters." You bring yourself back to a friendly disposition. The time for harming Jason has passed for now, so you return to your normal charismatic self. "I can offer the two of you some very capable Masters, if you're... willing to join us in saving the world."

"I'm guessing we don't really have a choice in the matter, do we?" Jason crosses his arms and stares at you, right in your eyes. Looks like even after punching him with enough force to tear a hole straight through the body of a normal human and with enough skill to distribute that force solely to the internal organs, Jason still doesn't seem to be afraid of you. Though it's probably false bravado if anything. He wouldn't exactly make a decent looking leader if he cowered away from somebody who hit him a single time. False bravado is the name of the game for Jason. Fake it till he makes it, and, well, he very much almost ended up making it. He just tripped up on the final hurdle and it all went wrong for him.

"Not really, no." You're going to be honest with the man. If he rejects your offer here, then it's... not going to end well for him. While you know that Alcides wouldn't appreciate Jason being killed off, if he persists in being an enemy to you, and one that could summon an entire boatload of Heroic Spirits if given the opportunity is not the sort of enemy you leave to their own devices if they don't agree to help immediately.

"Great, then who exactly are our choices of Master? Not you, I hope." Jason seems to have developed a dislike for you immediately, and you suppose it's natural not to want to be the Servant of the guy who decided to give you an agonizing punch to the kidney just for talking about Medea in a somewhat unflattering sense.

"Of course not, for you, Jason, I was thinking of asking Illya here if she'd like to be your Master. She's got a nearly bottomless supply of magical energy, after all, and I feel like you would be able to work well together with Alcides. Of course, it's up to Illya if she wants to take you on." You turn to the girl sitting on Alcides' shoulder, and she quickly nods her head.

"I don't mind, if he'll work together with Alcides, I guess I'll take him." Illya shrugs. "I think he'll excel as frontline fighter together with him!" Illya has a fairly cruel looking smile on her face as she looks at the weak Lancer.

"F-frontline fighter?! I... no, you've got it all wrong, I'm a comm-" Jason quickly works to try to get the idea of having him fight alongside Alcides out of Illya's head, but Illya looks like she already knows just where Jason's deficiencies and ability to function as a Servant lie, so having Jason fight on the front-lines, while not his preference, is certainly where he's best. With that in mind, you cut the blithering idiot off before he can further embarrass himself.
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"As for you Billy, while she isn't technically an official Master right now, my teacher in Magecraft could very easily set something up that would allow you to be her Servant. She's probably the best living practitioner of magecraft I've ever met." You aren't really sure just how Touko compares to the Casters, but it's a safe bet that she's at least somewhat comparable in terms of skill. After all, she can copy even the Primordial Runes of the Gods if she wants, and that's a level of skill that could only be ascribed to a top tier Caster. She's also capable of absolutely crushing somebody like Prelati with ease multiple times over, who themselves are a talented enough magus to be summoned as a Caster.

"Sure, I don't have any preferences as to who my Master is anyway, so long as they uh... aren't going to try to eat me." He frowns as he clearly remembers his experiences with Orochi. Somehow, it seems like Zouken has managed to become an even bigger asshole than he was before, if such a thing were even possible for a despicable piece of garbage like him. Looks like Alcides is at least right about Gods some of the time.

"Well, good, we'll get that sorted out a little later... Hmm, Jason, do you think you'll be able to finish construction on your boat faster if you were to... say, have Alcides to assist you in constructing it?"

"Are you kidding?! With Alcides helping out, I'll have this ship ready to sail before sunrise!" Jason confidently boasts, if there's anything that he has faith in, it's the skill and strength of the son of Zeus.

"Well, that's good. Illya, you don't mind having Alcides help your new Servant out, do you?" It wouldn't exactly be good if she didn't want Alcides helping for some reason. Sometimes you feel like you should ask people more before volunteering their Servants for stuff.

"Not really, no. So long as the two of them don't attract any attention and stay safe." Illya is apparently somewhat concerned for Alcides' well-being, and you only suppose it's natural after she had the boy torn away from her once before. Alcides is her greatest weapon, after all, and despite his original apparent lack of any major loyalty to her, it seems like after being rescued from Manaka, he's readjusted his opinion on his Master.

"Alright, well would you mind... contracting with Jason quickly? I don't imagine you'd want to stick around for the two of them to work on the ship throughout the night." Illya nods and taps Alcides shoulder, not dropping the bear that she's still caressing in one arm as she does so, and raises a palm which she hovers just in front of Jason, and the hundreds of red lines that make up her command spells shine brightly as a new Servant is bonded to her. Jason's eyes widen when he realizes that he's just managed to sign up with a Master with a literally unlimited amount of Command Spells to order around her Servants, it brings a small smile to your face.
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"It's done." She then looks at Alcides for a moment before looking at you thoughtfully. "Shinji, seeing as you've taken my Servant and put him to work on this boat, I'd like for you to carry me until we return to Rin's home." Illya has an expression on her face that tells you that she's not going to take no for an answer here, and if you want her to actually let Alcides help Jason our in creating the Argo, you're going to have to oblige her. You sigh briefly as you pick the light girl up and situate her on one of your shoulders. Illya... is very light. She's only slightly heavier than Betty is. A painful reminder that Illya's body is destined to never grow old before rapidly degrading and leaving her dead. Something that you won't let happen. You aren't going to let that happen to any of the Einzbern Homunculi.

"Before I return with Illya, I did want to ask the two of you just what the rest of the Servants that Orochi summoned looked like, if you can give me a detailed idea of what they looked like." You decide to try your luck, with any luck, they got good looks at the other Servants.

"The others? Well, there was Rider, this big wolf. He got himself swallowed whole by the bastard when he attempted to pounce on him." Billy plays with his gun as he recalls the events with an angry frown on his face. "Then there was Assassin, skull faced guy, long arm. Tried to do something to the Snake, but it didn't work." He stops being capable of the gun tricks as he gets angrier. "As for the bastard Servants that weren't decided to be 'too weak' there was Saber, this tanned armored guy with an exposed chest. Glowing pattern on his bare skin. Pale hair. Then there was Caster, a guy wearing white robes with red and black highlights. Long black hair, kind of unassuming..." Hmmph, easy guesses, Siegfried and... apparently Paracelcus, if you had to guess. Siegfried is a powerful Servant for sure, but against Medea's magic, he will be defenseless. As for the other two that didn't make it, sounds like Lobo without the Hessian and poor Hassan of the Cursed Arm.

"And the final Servant that was deemed acceptable was the worst of the bunch. A short woman, looked quite deranged, wearing a ridiculous red armored dress that exposed far too much skin to be decent, blonde hair, and those mocking green eyes of hers." Jason spits on the floor. He's really the last person to be talking about exposing too much skin, but you suppose self-reflection isn't exactly something he's very good at. As for the Servant herself... Could it be Nero summoned as a Berserker? That could be quite a problem to deal with, depending on just how being a Berserker has actually manifested upon her.
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"Well, thanks for all the information. But I think it might be better to leave you two to get on with the boat now." You decide not to so brazenly reveal that you probably know who all of the Servants are, with the potential exception of Berserker, who is mostly just an educated guess. It would sound pretty weird if you asked if she had an ahoge as well. "Billy, hold on to me for a moment." You call out to the Archer, who is a little reluctant to do so, before he sighs and just does as he's bid. "Medea?" You call out to the woman you know is watching, and the moment you do, the purple energy of her teleportation spells starts to surround the three of you, and before long, you're back in the basement of Rin's house.

"I see you've returned, Master. I was... watching you deal with Jason with... great interest." Medea's voice sounds a little shaky as she keeps taking light breaths as she looks at like how a cat would look at a mouse... Probably best if you ignored that from her for now. You're still busy, after all.

"That's right, Medea. Touko, would you mind taking Billy here as your Servant? I can assure you that he's a very capable Servant in his own right." Orochi is really a fool for passing up on somebody like Billy as a Servant. While he might not have an incredible amount of firepower, somebody like Billy the Kid is an exceptional one on one combatant, and his Noble Phantasm could easily be used to take out enemies. Especially if he's got support from other Servants.

"Very well, Archer. Come over here for a moment, I've been wanting to experiment with potential contracts with Servants for a while, and this seems like an excellent opportunity to put a few of my theories to the test." Touko has a happy look on her face, while Billy looks just a little bit worried by the woman as he obediently walks over to her. For somebody like Billy, who has no Magic Resistance at all, a room full of tremendously powerful Casters is basically the worst place for him to be.
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As Touko does her thing with Billy, you turn your attention back to the map. "With that quick detour over, I think it's probably best if we got back on track." You look at the map. and there has been some movement on the map since the last time you checked on it. An additional six Servants seem to have appeared. Six lights spread out in an even pattern from the mansion. The group of four and the group of six has still clumped together though. Elsewhere, the great shining light has disappeared, and has been replaced by a light that while still bright, is nowhere near the brightness it was previously. The singular light seems to have moved out of the forest now as well, and seems to have stopped for some reason on a street. Finally, there's what looks like a new light wandering around as well, it's almost as bright as the light that is standing on top of the buildings. Huh, where did they come from? Of course, there's still the void of light wandering around the city that you know is probably pointless to try to scry upon.

>Scry on the six Servants that have surrounded the mansion.
>Scry on the group of four Servants that are sticking together.
>Scry on the group of six Servants that have stuck together.
>Scry on the Servant that has left the forest.
>Scry on the Servant on top of the building.
>Scry on the new light walking through town.
>Do something else instead (What?)
>Write-in...
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>>4732797
Scry on the new light walking through town.
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>>4732797
>>Scry on the new light walking through town.
We can more or less guess everything else but this one is interesting
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>>4732797
>>Scry on the new light walking through town.
Dare nano?
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>>4732797
>Scry on the Servant on top of the building.
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>>4732797
>>Do something else instead (What?)
>Check up on Betty, Abby and the candle
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Wait, when you say six servants surrounding the mansion, which mansion do you mean?
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>>4732808
Illya's Castle.
I don't know why I called it a mansion.
It's a Castle.
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>>4732809
Yep, I thought we were about to be under attack. So those are Orochi's servants, and I think we have a Black Faction and a Ruler in our hands. That's probably why Taiga got Command Seals after the war's start.
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Shouldn't we really be stepping on snek by now? Press ganging his rejects might fall under "those who oppose him" but I'm a bit worried what will happen if we keep delaying.

On the other hand six signatures spread out evenly hints at some sort of orchestrated action, maybe some sort of ritual or space related and in any case something we really don't want to be caught inside of. Can we pack up the map and whatever important we have with us and relocate right now?
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>>4732813
We're waiting for Jason to summon his argonauts.
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>>4732815
We CERTAINLY don't have that much time. And we'll need Alcides back to hit Orochi. God told us to hurry, remember?
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>>4732797
>Scry on the group of six Servants that have stuck together.
What the fuck is up with the amount of Servants in this war, jeez.
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>>4732809
There's a very sweaty and hungry girl in that picture.
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>>4732823
All the more to incarnate and keep around for memes, especially since in the post game we are stealing neco arcs from their hiding place.
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>>4732794
>keeps taking light breaths as she looks at
Looks at what?
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>>4732830
you.
Looks at you.
Damn it.
Gimme a break it was a 2000 words+ long update.
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Did somebody say fluffy tail?

We should go for the snek asap, Alcides can help his bro after we deal with grandpa.
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>>4732797
>Scry on the group of six Servants that have stuck together.

We really should find out about the opposition or the weakened light. He might be fighting someone (Gil) we can't see.
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>>4732830
At the sweet, tasty morsel that's a seaweed-haired japanese schoolboy, and the only man to have stood up for her in her entire life.

And damn, Medea gushing right in front of our daughter. Just a little less self-control and she'd have jumped us right there and then.
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>>4732833
It's actually pretty important because it would have been a problem if she was rabidly angry at Jason the moment he appeared.
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>>4732830
my head auto filled in the blanks desu
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>>4732833
>Medea's Statut: WET
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>>4732836
The first time they have their H-scene it will be kinky as hell, she will take out all of her sexual aggression built up during the whole war and use magic to tie us down while she does her thing.
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>>4732842
WET/100
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>>4732836
i've always felt that parents being openly affectionate with each other in front of their children gives them a healthier outlook on what marriage should be
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>>4732845
There is a difference between being affectionate/loving and jumping the bone in front of your children.
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>>4732797
Calling in 30.
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>>4732797
>Scry on the Servant on top of the building.
I am slightly worried that Cu's light dimmed. A quick peek can't hurt, can it?
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>>4732854
he would 100% be able to tell that we scryed for him

>>4732850
same thing
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>>4732797

>>4732807
This
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>>4732856
We already scried him once though and he didn't react.

I am >>4732854, phoneposting for a bit.
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>>4732807
+1
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>>4732797
Actually switching >>4732854 to support>>4732807
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>>4732797
Support>>4732807
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How come we have all these wifey girls following us around, yet none of them have made us any food despite us not eating anything for days at a time.
This is a tremendous plot oversight that I demand be addressed.
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>>4732797
>>Do something else instead (What?)
>Check up on Betty, Abby and the candle
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>>4732866
Shirou makes us our food
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>>4732866
Just assume you've been surviving off of nutrient bars since the start of the war that you eat inbetween updates..
I mean, if you really want me to write a cooking/eating scene, I will, but things are a little urgent.
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>>4732876
Fox wife`s time to shine.
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those dining scenes in awakening were kinda cringe
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>>4732807
Aren't we like, running low on time and potentially gonna be attacked any second now? Why are we doing this?
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>>4732876
Don't worry about it, there's a reason why HF has the Fate Stay in the kitchen memes. Just go by fictional characters logic, do writers have to address Shinji having to piss or take a shit every other day or every few hours? No, because its filler and ridiculous.
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>>4732878
I remember there was a needless amount of conflict in whether they were going to have a healthy Japanese breakfast of fish or whatever the Oni NEET wanted.
Or pancakes.
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>>4732886
Reminds me of that time Sella and Rin were fighting over who was going to cook breakfast during early quest here.
Thinking about it now, that scene could've gone worse
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So now we can deduce.
>Scry on the six Servants that have surrounded the mansion.
Wormpa is about to make a move.
>Scry on the group of four Servants that are sticking together.
>Scry on the group of six Servants that have stuck together.
Manaka`s and Waver`s groups.
>Scry on the Servant that has left the forest.
>Scry on the Servant on top of the building.
>Scry on the new light walking through town.
Cu, Bazett, Assassin, Wukong are the likely options for those.
Or it could be something else and let`s say new light is Proto Saber finally showing up.
>>4732878
>>4732886
You could see the exact moment his charisma stung his neck like a rope.
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>>4732893
I kinda believed that the new light was Jeanne finally showing up after possessing the right French girl in Japan. I wonder if Saber Proto could count as Ruler too?
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>>4732894
Proto Arthur showing up is an inevitability simply because of Manaka and potentially Beast of 666
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New Light
>>4732799
>>4732802
>>4732804

>Building Servant
>>4732806

>Check on the girls and candle
>>4732807
>>4732859
>>4732861
>>4732862
>>4732863
>>4732868

>Six Servants together
>>4732823
>>4732835

Calling late.
Oops.
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You know while we do this should we ask archer to train Shiro whenever they have time?
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>>4732909
There's no reason to do that, Archer's experience bleeds into Shirou
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>>4732910
I'm not sure the bleed effect still works. We had to ask Archer if he would willingly share his shit from UBW with our Shirou.
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Regarding waiting for a boat.
We probably can trash Orochi even without Alcides.
If Medusa can pull combination of Defender of the Goddesses - Shapeless Isle, Pandemonium Cetus and Mystic Eyes at the same time and with Karna nuking the place safely.
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>>4732912
It still works, he just doesn't get the weapons Archer has in UBW, he gets the fighting experience and the experience points to unlock UBW
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>>4732916
I'm pretty sure the bleed effect was how he originally got all that shit in his UBW. If he doesn't have that, then it's a fair bet to assume he's not getting the other stuff either.
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>>4732919
Pretty sure he got it because he kept seeing all the weapons Gil and Archer had in stock
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>>4732921
Either way, it doesn't help assuming anything will go how we hope it will. Better to assume the bleed isn't working right and set up some training. That way if it is, shit will go faster anyways.
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And we all have forgotten that killing Servants should not be a problem for us anymore.
Because we just recently got a proper soul utilizer.
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>>4732923
>Better to assume the bleed isn't working right
why?
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>>4732927
Because assuming shit has bitten us in the ass before, because it takes literally a moment to cover all our bases just in case and because if we don't make Shirou do it, he'll spend all his time banging Saber and learning nothing.
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>>4732931
no, that's stupid, Archer's bleeding affect is always in place, if you want Shirou to train, just leave him with Saber, he might learn something meaningful
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>>4732931
Resonance is a fundamental principle of the universe, so I don't think we need to worry about it not happening.
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>>4732915
Alcides is the only one who can immobilize him so that Shiki can kill Orochi's soul and let us confront grandpa with Sakura. And we really, really shouldn't underestimate Orochi again. That's what got us in the current situation. I think we need him. It's not like building the boat is that urgent.
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>>4732951
I really think Archer is a better match, his stats are much better and Rule Breaker and/or Morgan's dagger can forcibly rip apart Orochi and Zouken
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>>4732954
I don't think we're reading the same status pages man. Alcides is a better match against Orochi in every single way other than Rule Breaker.
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So when are we going to check in on Waver and Shiki? Theyay have valuable info that won't take too long to ask.

Plus while we so this we could ask Touko or fox wife to put kerry back into his body.
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>>4732951
I am still in favour of original plan.
But re-reading Medusa`s new stats and now remembering Candle-kun and his powers got me on this track. As a valid possibility.
>And we really, really shouldn't underestimate Orochi again. That's what got us in the current situation.
And that combination is also looks very deadly to everything.
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>>4732958
I'm talking about using Archer instead of Shiki, Shiki is just a guy with chunni eyes, Archer is a servant
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>>4732965
Might be a good idea to start multitasking next update. We're not really acting like we're on a hurry.

It's certainly not the time for Kerry bear though. We have to stop running around first.

>>4732969
Shiki can kill souls. Archer can't. Shiki is a trained assassin, but the plan wasn't to have him in battle anyway. It was to have him wait in the war room next to Medea so she can teleport him after Alcides chains Orochi for a nothing personal death point stab.
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>>4732970
>Shiki is a trained assassin
no he's not, he's just running on instinct, if Archer uses Erosion, he can force a separation with Orochi and Zouken or Orochi and Arc's powers, drastically weakening him and getting curbstomped by everyone
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>>4732974
Erosion on Orochi might make him enter someone elses body, it's a bad idea.
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"Actually, I want to just... go and check on Abby and Betty for a moment, before we do any more scrying." It shouldn't take more than a few minutes, after all, and you want to make sure that the girls are alright. You did sort of promise to make the candle into your familiar, and you sort of... haven't done so just yet. It's been a while as well, so hopefully nothing bad has happened to him... it. Whatever it counts as, it's a damn candle, for God's sake. You put Illya down on the floor, allowing the girl to observe the magical map created by the Casters herself.

"Understood, Master. Please don't be too long though, we do have quite a lot of work to do." Medea keeps her voice neutral as she gives you the go-ahead. As you turn to leave though and tugging of your sleeve stops you, and you look behind you to see the adorable face of your first daughter.

"Father... I want... to spend some time... with you?" The girl says without much real confidence in her own words. It's clear that she's still shaky on her language skills, but she's gotten much better already. "Please?" She adds on the word please, almost as an afterthought, and you find yourself just who was the one teaching Alítheia to speak like this, Sakura or Medea? Perhaps both? It probably doesn't really matter though.

"Of course, Alítheia, come here." You lift Alítheia into the air and you put the girl on your shoulders, giving her a true piggyback ride. The girl is clearly happy with this outcome, and makes a happy noise as you take her upstairs, though you're careful to make sure she doesn't bump her head on anything. Honestly, you don't know how much of Alítheia's true power is available to her when she's in human form, but you feel like anything that she might bump into would probably break before it could actually harm her. Still, you take care anyway, you wouldn't want to spoil her first piggyback ride like that. This is a good chance to get Alítheia to meet Betty and Abby too, and while Abby has yet to decide whether or not she wants to be adopted by you, you already see Betty as your daughter, just like you see Alítheia as your daughter.

It doesn't take very long for you to finish taking Alítheia to Betty and Abby's room, and you quietly open the door, you can see Candle-kun first, burning on a side table next to the bed that both Abby and Betty lie sleeping together on. Abby having pulled her cousin into a tight hug before sleeping as well. Adorable. The Candle blinks its flame at you, as if acknowledging your presence in the room. Guess if you want to ask it some questions, now is the time.

>"Do you still want to be my familiar?"
>"Are you watching over those two?"
>"Why don't you take another form already?"
>"Are those two doing OK?"
>Write-in...
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>>4732992
>"Are you watching over those two?"
>"Are those two doing OK?"
>"Do you still want to be my familiar?"
Did Sakura teach our dragon daughter that vore is an okay defense mechanism?
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>>4732992
>"Are you watching over those two?"
>"Are those two doing OK?"
>"Do you still want to be my familiar?"
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>>4732998
+1, we can only hope
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>>4732992
>"Are those two doing OK?"
>"Do you still want to be my familiar?"
>Leave the candle to keep watching them and call Waver on the way back to the war room if the candle says yes.

We should start making haste at some point. And I did not expect to see our dragon daughter riding us. Cute!
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>>4732992
>>4732998
Support. And most likely, yeah. Worked out great so far.
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>>4732992
>>4733009
Support

Let's get some info from waver already. Also why the hell is that candle being like this. Transform so we can understand you damn it!
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Calling in... 50.
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Can we get an F in the thread for poor Billy who’s probably gonna get groomed on by one of the best mages in the story, and has no magic resistance?
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>>4732992
>>4732998
Support
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>>4733025
Lucky bastrad.
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>>4732992
Support
>>4732998
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>>4733029
Speaking of luck though, of all the lower rarity archers we could get, Billy (right next to Robin Hood) is probably the best. Dude has a crit meme in the extreme levels. Never mind that his NP DOES. NOT. MISS
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>>4733025
>>4733029
>>4733034
Rizo will curse the day he decided to stand in our way.
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>>4733038
>pic is Billy after being groomed by Touko, and aged up after a few years of being incarnated.
Look at that chad jawline, Touko is a lucky woman. I could see Billy being a DA and DAA hunter too.
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>>4733038
Trout is gonna get the gun
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>>4733040
100%
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>>4733040
Billy is to be Mordred's knight anon
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>>4733046
He can do both. Be her knight and be her leech shooter
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Touko is a superior groomer.
She has Shinji, Lugh and now also has Billy.
And Aoko only has Shiki.
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>>4733022
WhatIs, I have a few questions:
How big is the war room? Can it fit all of our allies or will we have to hold the war council in Rin's living room?
Is there any way to call them all fast without running through the house and yelling?
Kaleido-Rin can fly, right?
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We can also make Billy some special bullets.
And make Morgan give him Clairvoyance, Instinct and Eye of the Mind (True).
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>>4733063
Truth bullets would be rad. We can give him bullets of True Death for those that absolutely positively must die, or bullets of True Nonlethality (or something) for those that absolutely positively must not.
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>>4733022
can we use Truth to infuse bullets with special effects?

Like "creature struck with this bullet is stripped of all magical protections" or "creature struck by this bullet is compelled to cease all activity for ten minutes" or "this bullet is unaffected by spiritual defenses"?
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>>4733056
>How big is the war room?
It's fairly large, but it might be a struggle to fit everyone inside it. It's picrelated btw.

>Is there any way to call them all fast without running through the house and yelling?
You could ask the Casters to do something.

>Kaleido-Rin can fly, right?
Yes.
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>>4733070
We could make a two-way portal between the basement and Shinji's living room.
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>>4733070
Can we move the map? It's not anchored to the location, right?
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>>4733063
>>4733065
>>4733069
Time to ascend us a gunman
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Just imagine.
Battle with Orochi. Wormpa trying to do same trick and laugh at Billy again. Billy guns him and his Servants down in one volley with True Death bullets made by us and Shirou.
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>>4733063
Touko could be seeing how to manipulate his Saint Graph since Billy can be summoned as a Gunner which is his best class
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Why does it feel like that went Sweets vanished off the board, so did all the Illyafags, Kerryhaters and Shirouhaters?
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>>4733097
Samefags lost a nest
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>>4733097
Because they were all samefags like the one or two guys who wanted to suck Shirou's cock super badly for some reason. It was desperate and pathetic.
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>>4733097
I think it was mostly the hiatus that drove them off.
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>>4733097
you forgot the fag that wanted to pair every woman in our group with shirou.
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>>4733097
Speaking of Sweets.
We are so close to making use of the best part of Akeldama/Awakening.
https://youtu.be/nhB7_1uix0o
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>>4733104
The only form of cuckholdry that is allowed is cucqueaning, especially for annoying hussys that deserve it. Everything else is cringe and unfunny.
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>>4733104
Was that the guy who started spamming multiple posts about getting cucked by Shirou whenever we wanted to hang out with him or try and get him any screentime at all?
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>>4733097
Sweets wanted to run this quest originally, really wonder how that would’ve went
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>>4733104
There was also some retard that said we wanted Shirou to cuck us when we spent any time at all with him or teaching him how to fight good
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>>4733115
Not nearly as well as it has, I imagine. I'm glad he didn't.
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>>4733104
that was probably just someone who wanted Artoria for Shinji.

Although that was before we realized there was a spare running around.
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>>4733112
Can't remember much since it has been a while since then but that might be the guy. The shiroufag i'm talking about wanted to pair up sakura and shuten maybe other women too with shirou and he would make multiple posts about it in a thread.
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>>4733115
You want to know the Truth?
Sweets might've posted in the thread.
But I'm the guy who made the original Shinji Isekai Threads on /a/.
You can choose to believe me or not about that.
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>>4733115
If he could capture the feeling he had running Akeldama, it could have been pretty good, honestly.
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Can't find anything about Berserker Nero on the wiki. Why did Shinji think she'd be a bigger problem than the others?
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>>4733121
I can believe it because the way you talked about it in the Castlevania threads made it sound like that idea lived rent free in your head for almost a decade.
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>>4733121
He's just jealous that your quest didn't spiral into an edgy mess,
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>>4733121
No fucking way, really? Did you fucking post on /a/ so everyone would throw ideas at you? Also Sweets 100% posted on the thread
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>>4733121
I totally believe it, yes.
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>>4733120
I know there was talk about pairing up Shirou and Sakura early on, to try and get her less attached to us, but that dropped when we realized she wasn't going to let go. Don't remember anything about giving him Shuten.
Hell, I'm still up for trying to get him Rin.
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>>4733129
I'm all for playing matchmaker with a different version of him.
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>>4733129
That ship has long sailed since Shirou and Saber and fiances now. At least Rin has redman from an alternate timeline.
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>>4733121
>Sweets might've posted in the thread.
Genuinely believe it was him in the previous one with that talk about Saber and PTSD.
Not sure why he don`t just try to do a redemption arc. It is not like not-illya raliroading route lock and ryona fic with Circe is end of the world bad.
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>>4733123
Nero can force herself to be summoned in different classes in order to avoid being summoned in her best class Rider aka Mother Harlot and the other half of Beast VI. A few servants can do this, Rama refuses to be summoned in Archer class because he wants there to be SOME chance that he reunites with Sita, as an Archer he's one of the few servants that can beat serious Gil
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>>4733129
That was never gonna happen either way, Sakura was already completely infatuated with us when we met Shirou, there was some talks to at least make her more independent, we made it worse though she’s extremely dependent on us
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>>4733130
I'd rather that too. We have enough girl problems without adding Rin to the mix.
>>4733129
Speaking of, does Sakura have any other friends? I can't imagine her willingly having a conversation with anyone other than us, Rin or Medusa
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>>4733133
Better make sure she doesn't somehow change class then.
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>>4733130
Nah I want Rin too, Redman can play Otome love interest with Gil, Cu and Merlin
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>>4733136
Sakura has a good relation with Rin now, but I don't think she has any other friends, now. Her dependence on us is really as high as it could possibly get. She won't even talk to Shirou without prodding, iirc.
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>>4733132
I was talking about the original Shinji Isekai threads, but yeah, the guy posting his own wrong thoughts on how Instinct worked that matched up completely to how Sweets thought it worked could only have been him or somebody for some reason dedicated to defending a quest that has been inactive for half a year.
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>>4733139
She is first priority target for Rule Breaker.
We must do our best to avoid Manaka getting her hands on Nero.
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>>4733142
We really should've like, made her hangout with Shirou at the very least, kind of a bad call to not really make her have more friends other than us and Rin
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>>4733147
We tried. That's when we discovered she has zero interest to do so.
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>>4733135
People should have realized that when we needed to vote to prompt Sakura to say hello before she even noticed Shirou was there.
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>>4733146
Siegfried is high priority too. His anti dragon noble phantasm might hurt our daughter and would be useful against Orochi.
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>>4733150
Yeah, people were pretty dense regarding Sakura in retrospect. The crane game was our high jump, it was game over on day 1.
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>>4733147
Sakura is friends with shirou though we sent sakura to hang out at shirou's place when we were training with touko. I remember that detail in my reread since it was mentioned that sakura's skill in cooking is as good as shirou since she frequently visited him.
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>>4733153
Not really, unless we were exactly like Shinji she would’ve fallen for us, we just went the extra mile and turned it into total devotion and possessiveness

>>4733149
I don't know I feel like we could’ve made her hangout with Shirou and make them become friends, like hanging around his house a lot, or something like that. He's her onii-chan's best friend, seems like good incentive to get to know him better
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>>4733157
Guess I forgot since they literally never mention each other at all, makes sense though since Sakura has tunnel vision for us and Shirou only has eyes for swords
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>>4733157
>>4733149
>>4733150
>>4733153
Qm, is Sakura friendly with Shirou? Or does she only care about us and Rin?
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>>4733159
>we just went the extra mile and turned it into total devotion and possessiveness
Yeah, we're pretty much saying the same thing. I don't disagree at all.

>>4733162
Yeah, two people obsessed with different things, it's no surprise it was doomed from the start.
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>>4733163
She's friends with him, but she doesn't particularly care about him all too much.
Like, nowhere near the level she cares about you, Rin and Rider.
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>>4733165
Oh, and Alítheia, of course.
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>>4733165
That bums me out
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>>4733169
Well, he's probably about 5th place if you looked at things like that?
Sakura is kind of sheltered.
The two of them aren't especially close, but it's not like the two don't like each other.
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>>4733168
>>4733165
Eh, that's better than I expected. I hope most people in our group are friends by the end of the war at least.
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>>4733165
>>4733168
Would it have been wise to make her study under Touko too? Or just meet her.
Pre or post rescue.
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>>4733123
Because it’s Nero and wherever she is, nonsense and stupidity follow
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>>4733174
Touko doesn't take just anyone as an apprentice, I'm not sure she'd agree. But we could have teached her some proper magecraft ourselves.
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>>4733172
Yeah but yk, would kinda hope that they’d end up being close
>>4733178
We could probably strike a deal with Touko, like giving her a shit ton of money or finding some macguffin for her
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You look at the candle for some time, before sighing. "Are you looking over those two? One Blink for yes, two blinks for no." You really wish that this damn Candle would just take on a form that could easily be spoken with, like a book that wrote in itself or something. Having to play the yes or no game with a candle just makes you look like you're losing your mind.

The candle flame blinks once. Well, that's nice, after it was originally explained just what this thing was, you were worried that it would be dangerous, but it doesn't seem to have any real malicious intent towards either Abby or Betty.

"Are the two of them doing OK?" You're just a little bit worried for the two of them, especially after it was shown just how easily your defenses can potentially be penetrated by your enemies. Of course, when you say 'your' defenses, you mean Rin's defenses. While the Tohsaka Mansion's bounded fields are good by modern standards, they aren't about to block an attack from a Servant. Then again, you doubt even a Caster could do something like that without a large amount of time to prepare first.

The candle flame blinks once again. That's a relief, this candle seems at least have some sort of care for the two girls. Like some sort of bizarre pet. Then again, considering just what sort of things Betty can create with her powers and has created in the past, you suppose that a sentient amalgamation of souls that has taken the form of a candle isn't exactly the strangest thing.

"And... do you still want to be my familiar?" You find it at least a little strange that the aberrant creation hasn't at least tried to seek you out to finish your contract with it.

This time, the candle flame blinks twice. No? Why would it no longer want to be your familiar?

"Why not...?" Of course, the candle can't answer a question like that, so you decide to rephrase the question. "Have you... already made a contract with one of the girls?" It makes sense that it would do such a thing. It likely feels a greater degree of... well, you suppose you could call it kinship with somebody like Abby, considering they share a creator.

One blink. So a yes. What a sly candle. Though you suppose it might not've had any other choice given that you practically left it with no other choice.

"Then... Abby?" You look at the slightly older girl sleeping next to Betty. You're glad the two of them are still close with each other that it's a completely natural thing for Abby to protectively hug her sister/cousin. You never got her answer as to whether she wanted to actually go along with your adoption idea, but it will probably be a yes in the end.
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One blink. Huh, guess that Abby must either learn quick, or that Candle-kun is knowledgeable to take care of most of the difficult parts of of forming a contract with somebody. You haven't exactly done a full analysis on what Abby could be capable of just yet, but her potential is very likely to be absolutely enormous. Still, you don't exactly have the time to marvel over the potential of any of your three daughters right now, even if Abby is only a prospective daughter, you really can't think of any reason for her to decline your offer.

"Well, that's about all I wanted to know. Thanks for not uh... trying to eat their souls while they slept or something, Candle-kun." You start to leave the room, and the flame of the candle starts to burn vigorously, almost as if the fire itself is angry. Guess it didn't like that comment. For whatever reason, the candle seems to have decided that it should be a guardian for the two girls. Well, that works for you, at least. "I did want to introduce you to your sisters, Alítheia, but seeing as the two of them are... well, asleep right now, it'll have to wait for later." The girl you're still giving a piggyback ride to makes a somewhat disappointed noise.

Your business with the Candle dealt with, you return to the War Room, and to the map. Though there's something of a commotion going on when you re-enter the room, and your arrival goes unnoticed by everyone except Medea, who quickly beckons you over to the map. "Master, quickly. It seems that one of the groups of Servants has begun to take action against the other group! The group of four has started to approach the group of six with great speed!" Your eyes widen.

>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
>"We need to stop playing around. It's time we intervened." (Teleport to area with which Servants?)
>"This is a distraction, clearly, scry on something else." (What?)
>Write-in...
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
Nice to see that our daughters are sleeping soundly. Clearly they are happy to be able to see each other again :)
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>>4733208
Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"

Also is shuten with ibaraki and the onis at the moment?
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>>4733208
>Scry on them
bro Waver moving to intercept the others? Or bro Waver moving to Dark Iskander?
In either case we need intel...
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"

Time to spy
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>>4733210
She's just lounging somewhere. You can always call her to you through the mental link.
In fact, you could even have her fetch everyone if you wanted.
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>>4733210
Change to scry on them and mental link shuten to gather everyone.
>>4733208

>>4733215
Thanks, we have so many allies it's hard for me to keep track on my phone
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>>4733208
>>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
>>Call everyone in
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
>Mentally contact Shuten, tell her to fetch everyone other than Medusa's sisters and the girls.
Well, that was a waste of time, but it was nice to see what we're fighting for. And nice idea, WhatIs.
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So.
We scry, ask somebody to gather rest of our allies at the same time and then decide whatever to do with whole situation?
We should keep divine Servants at our base to avoid Orochi taking interesets in a quick snack and make them monitor overall situation in the city and report to us.
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We should use our numbers to multitask, rather than doing everything ourselves.
Have Shirou call Taiga, for example. If she's a master we should get her to safety, and find out her servant. Maybe they're op.
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wait are we actually gonna go fight them? God told us to fight Orochi after getting Medusa, what if neither group is the Orochi group?
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Okay anons, so, we have Morgan give Billy some kind of anti-attribute enhancement, we Truth him the attribute, or have Medea create some kind of anti-orochi bullets or such, right?
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I find it highly likely that the group of four is orochi group and the group of six is manaka servants. If we want to save the six corrupted servants then we need to intervene before wormpa absorbs them i think diarmuid and iskandar both have divinity.
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Calling in 50.
Giving you the time you need to think about this.
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>>4733208
>Scry on them
>Make Shuten gather everyone
>Check on Orochi`s group near the Castle too while everyone is gathering
Our main target is still Orochi and we should keep an eye on him.
I think it is Manaka`s group versus Waver`s group and Orochi will try to take over Temple in chaos. If not personally then he will at least send his new Servants to test the waters.
We will be fine with just stalling the fight if it prevents Orochi from winning in this situation. Unless situation is really bad and we need to do full force intervention either against Orochi`s group or in this fight.
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>>4733223
I agree. Here's my proposal:

>The Goal
Weaken Orochi, have Alcides chain him, have Shiki hit Orochi's death point, confront Zouken with Sakura for the closure.

>Preparations
After gathering everyone, scry on Orochi's Servants right outside the castle. Mention strengths and weaknesses of any identified one, include the uncertainty about Nero if visual is not enough to confirm her identity. Ask the casters if they have a way to connect everyone so we can talk mentally mid-battle.

>>The Plan
>Team Archery
Karna and Archer open the battle by demolishing Einzbern castle from ultra long range. Archer moves in to hit Servants with Rule Breaker. Karna stays the fuck away from Orochi's aura and keeps sniping.

We announce immediately to all of Orochi's Servants that we do not want to be their enemies, we will stop fighting if they stop fighting and we will pay back anyone who helps us save the world from Orochi. Ideally, we don't want to kill any of them or their souls go to either the Lessers or the Greater Grail and our job moving forward gets that much harder.

>Team Ground
Alcides and Gorgon hit Orochi. Jason is there with his pal so he can buff him. Alcides is our winning condition, it's all over if he manages to get an opportunity to chain him.
Ciel and Sasaki hit the Servants. They try not to kill any of them, but to present Archer with clear targets for Rule Breaking.
King Mordred is the battlefield commander and mobile reserve. She is to use her Instincts to their maximum, do what she feels is best at all times. Her orders are to be followed without hesitation, she knows best.

>Team Air
Ourselves and Sakura ride Alitheia into battle. Rin is our escort. No specific orders for this team, this is where we will be.

>Team Aozaki
Touko and Aoko are to use their powers at their own discretion from a location of their choice. Probably not together.

>Home Team
Medea, Tamamo and Morgan stay in the war room, monitoring the situation. They provide whatever support they can from here Shiki stays next to Medea at all times, ready to be teleported to Orochi the moment Alcides chains him.
Arcueid stays behind as well. We can't afford to let Orochi have another bite, and we need to leave some defenses in the mansion in case anyone unwanted tries to pay a visit. Arcueid can handle them.

I am unsure where to place Billy. I am leaning towards escorting Touko if she decides to enter the battlefield. Team Archery otherwise.
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Guys, there are six servant surrounding Einzbern castle. This group of six is not Orochi's. It's almost certainly a distraction, but we can afford to take a peak while Shuten gathers everyone.
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>>4733240
Looks solid.
But
>Alítheia
Not sure involving her is a good idea. Maybe as the very last resort.
We should also check for Amethyst and grab Enhance too. They both will be useful.
And I think Billy should stay with Touko just in case somebody will try to go for a sneak attack.
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>>4732788
Based Ilya
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>>4733245
Alitheia is extremely durable and extremely powerful. I want to keep our daughter out of danger too, but I don't think we can afford to. That's why I placed us with her at all times.
Amethyst probably fucked off to recuperate after we overtaxed her. I thought Enhance was tard-wrangling the onis.
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>>4733208
>"This is a distraction, clearly, scry on something else." (What?)
Orochi, and get Shuten to gather everyone.
I don't really care what these guys deal is, and we don't know how much time we can afford to waste at this point.
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>>4733248
We have some time before everyone actually gathers. We might as well learn what these guys deal is, though we certainly can't afford to spend more time to interfere. I'd caution against splitting the "get shuten to gather everyone" vote, I don't think it's currently winning and it's kinda super important.
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>>4733091
Harpe bullets maybe? Get EMIYA involved he manages to make similar when he's a nigger
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
>Have shuten gather everyone together
>Have shirou call on taiga to check on her.
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>>4733208
>"Then what are you waiting for! Scry on them!"
>Call everyone in
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We can always have Ilya summon her two greeks here without the complete Argo if we need, she isn't exactly lacking in CS.

Alcides can assist in the opening range barrage, in FSF he's yeeting arrows over 20km with enough force to shatter the windows of al the buildings they fly past. Gets the Hydra poison bleed damage going right at the start so Orochi is in excruciating pain and is more likely to make poor unga bunga decisions, although that may have him just start setting off massive earthquakes.
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Sasaki is good on the front lines, he's already showed he can hold his own and offers another method of pinning Orochi down by spawnkilling his heads with sequential Tsubame Gaeshi spam.
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Definitely make sure Shirou and EMIYA have seen Erosion so it's in their toolkit
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>>4733271
I approve of the amendments to the plan. And with Medea's help he can be at the frontlines in an instant.

>>4733273
He'll still be at the frontlines, just not against Orochi. We kinda need someone to handle his Servants too, Ciel, Archer and maybe Mordred will have a hard time against seven of them.
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>>4733276
If we project a proper moralfag speech using high end Charisma to appeal to Good alignment servants like sumanai about liberating them from their role as jannies for an evil god we might be able to turn some and reduce the numbers before fighting.

Once this scry goes through we'll have a better idea of what we're facing so we can metagame them and see how effective a talk-no-jutsu would be.
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>>4733282
Especially if we personally direct parts of the talk-no-jutsu to appeal to individual servants using said metaknowledge of their motivations. The ultimate and final diplomacyfag option before Karna rains hellfire on them all
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>>4733282
Siegfried should definitely be willing to turn. I'm actually surprised he didn't help the rejected Servants. Paracelsus too, possibly, but I don't know all that much about him. But I don't think they'll be able to turn immediately while Orochi/Zolgen is still their Master. I'm more leaning towards readying them for the Rule Breaker moment.

But if it works and Sasaki ends up being overkill for the Servants, then that just means they'll mop them up quickly and be able to help against the snake all that much faster.
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>Scry on them!
>>4733209
>>4733211
>>4733212
>>4733214

>Scry and Shuten
>>4733218
>>4733219 (Do you mind if I count this for getting Shuten to do it?)
>>4733220
>>4733239 (Check Orochi group too)
>>4733264 (Also call Taiga)
>>4733265


>Scry Orochi instead
>>4733248
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>>4733286
Nero is honestly a tough one here, if Manaka has possession of the grail that actually receives the souls (we've never actually tested where they go before). She needs to be restrained. Thrice Setting Sun and Undying Magus make her an absolute cockroach so you can be rough with her though. Undying Magus is targetable in FGO so I'd be careful of her effectively casting Auto-life on an ally of hers in a pinch. She has pretty low Magical Resist at only C even in a Saber container which can be exploited.

If Nero goes to the grail Manaka may have just been handed a component to form a complete Beast of 666 which to date has never happened before and would trigger the apocalypse. The 6th Beast is comprised of Mother Harlot, the Rider, and the Beast itself which she rides. Manaka has shown in Prototype she can manifest the Beast component on her own so Nero must never interact with her. Class changing is probably a single CS away through Imperial Privilege.

Fortunately she loves talking, might might be a good stall option. We can give EMIYA a QRD on Nero so he can draw her away and keep her talking so she isn't going to risk dying here. If EMIYA sees her summon any form of goblet he has to lop off that hand before she can take a sip immediately too. Can't risk Seven Crowns being activated. BB should be scrying here honestly, have her keep an eye on Nero as she's had personal access to Domina Coronum before she got depowered and should be able to recognise if Nero is activating Seven Crowns. If Nero activates this she needs to be bound and removed from the conflict immediately before she triggers her Mother Harlot metamorphosis.

I wrote up a whole grail war based on this autism surrounding Nero so I'm a bit schizo about the potential happening here. Nega Messiah might directly target Shinji in this state making us auto-lose to Manaka
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>>4733271
I think we should also make him summon the Cerberus and give it divinity, Nega Deity shouldn't work with divine beasts right? Technically its not a God
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>>4733296
We absolutely CAN'T kill Nero, we're absolutely fucked if we do
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>>4733296
Alright, I'll defer to your superior knowledge of Nero. I DEFINITELY don't want us to kill any of the seven if we can help it. Even if they don't go to Manaka, they got to Sakura or Illya, and that's not good either.
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Also, I'm currently rereading the part where we saved Sakura from Zouken, and holy hell, I had forgotten how terrifying Monica is as an opponent.
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>>4733301
Sakura actually might be safer to receive the souls because she just annihilates anything that enters her body with few exceptions.
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>>4733306
I wouldn't be so sure about that. She still has the Grail pieces in her. She won't be voring servant souls with her personal dimension.
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"Then in that case, what are you waiting for! Scry on them, quickly!" You can't just ignore something like this happening, and with things about to likely get hectic you decide to send out a quick message to everyone else using Shuten as your messenger. 'Shuten, please gather everyone except Medusa's sisters and the sleeping girls. Bring them to the basement.' You don't wait for Shuten to vocalize a response, but you do notice her give a lazy feeling affirmative emotion through the link to you. Good enough, you suppose.

You turn your attention back to Medea. "Of course, they've only just started to move, after all, so we have plenty of time." Medea quickly takes out her scrying orb, and focuses on it for a few seconds. "We'll have to act quickly though, I'm going to give us a view of the four Servants first, as they are..." The scrying orb suddenly shows an image, but it's not the image anybody was expecting. Instead of focusing on four Servants quickly navigating their way through the forest, it instead shows a large field of flowers. "What... What is this?!" Medea is clearly stunned by the failure of her scrying spell, it's been fooled and defeated a few times already, but none have managed to do so in such a way that Medea actually lost her cool about it. "Why is my scrying only showing... a field of flowers?!

"Merlin." Morgan's voice is dripping with venom as she says the name of the man. "For whatever reason, it seems like Merlin has decided to block our efforts to scry on that group, and... I'm willing to bet that it's an enchantment he's applied to the entire forest too." Morgan sounds very annoyed by the very existence of Merlin as she looks at the map's representation of the forest. "I can only imagine that he didn't want us being able to go into things with all the information at our disposal, why he's doing so, I cannot say." She's gritting her teeth, clearly annoyed with Merlin's seemingly callous act. Why isn't he helping? Doesn't he want to save the world? What the hell is his play here?! He's not just not helping, he's actively being a hindrance!

"It's... the same story for the entire forest! It's appearing as nothing but a field of flowers from any attempt to visually scry upon it!" Medea keeps focusing on the orb, hands trembling in a small amount of rage at the fact that an enemy magus has managed to completely overwhelm her abilities as a Caster by blocking an entire forest from her field of vision.

Your allies slowly begin to filter into the room as you stand over the map. Glaring at the two groups of lights as they get closer together. This... This is bad. You don't know if you can even get involved in something like this! While Medea didn't say it was impossible to teleport you into the forest, you'd be going in blind with whatever allies you decided to take with you!
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You take a deep breath. Now isn't the time to panic. Now you need to think, one faction is fighting another faction. Merlin is obviously opposed to you somehow. There's an entirely new faction of Servants wandering around for some reason that are about to be attacked. Orochi has sent out six of his Servants. There's... a lot to do, and you don't have access to the information you need to solve this.

>>Divide group members as preferred. You don't have to pick all options if you don't want to.

>Intercepting the battle. (Send who?)
>Go after the split up Servants of Orochi (Send who?)
>Go after the Servant hovering about outside the borders of the forest. (Send who?)
>Go after Orochi's main base (Send who?)
>Something else?
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>>4733314
MEEEEEEEEERLIIIIIIIN
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Merlin you goddamned asshole.
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Wtf meme man
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WTF we are facing a beast and Merlin decides to be an ass. Don't send Mordred or Saber I feel he wants to kidnap one of them.
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You didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you?
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Absent new information, God's plan still stands. So we go after Orochi and Servants with everyone, right? We'll take a peek at this battle as we're flying over the forest with Alitheia.
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>>4733329
This goddamn asshole is fucking dead. We'll ram the Spear of Longinus up his asshole and spit roast him over a nice coal fire.
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>>4733333
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>>4733333
The quints have spoken. Ass-ramming it is.
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>>4733329
Last update for today qm?
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>>4733334
WE WILL WIPE THAT SMUG LOOK OFF YOUR FACE YOU FUCKING FUCKER.
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>>4733337
Yeah, this is something you'll need to plan for quite a lot.
It's a very important vote.
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>>4733330
ok here's what i'm thinking, Morgan and Medea stay behind and monitor the battle, if something goes wrong, they provide support or teleport people out.

Everyone without divinity to Orochi, Karna can be teleported maybe 10km away from Orochi to outrange Nega Deity. If Alcides can snipe that far, so can Karna.

The remaining servants (which is just Shuten and Tamamo) are to intercept the battle. They are not to kill anyone, they're both top tier servant, they're absolutely strong enough to survive the battle, but this is more of a scouting mission to give us a clear view of whats happening and who's fighting. They are to leave when they get a clear view of the fighters, if its Waver's group however, they are to provide backup for them and let them know that they're on their side and that they're with us
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Reposting the plan: >>4733240 Important amendments at >>4733271 and >>4733296
Thoughts?
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>>4733347
I think Alcides should be closer range and Karna should be lobbing Arrows from far away
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>>4733344
Yeah, sending Shuten and Tamamo to the battle will probably work. We can call Waver too and try to explain, but the call might not go through. We can also scout as we're flying above the forest with Alitheia.

>>4733351
I think Alcides should participate in the opening barrage with Archer and Karna, and then move to the frontline as Archer does.
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Aren't you forgetting someone?
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Also, can Shuten selectively debone people? Pull them from their hands and legs so they're out of the battle without turning into jelly and dying?
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Aren't we waiting until Jason finishes the ship to ram Orochi. Herc is still at the docks so we don't have a kill shot.
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>>4733361
We do not have the time. It'll take all night. Illya can command spell them back in an instant.
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>>4733356
I don't really see what we can do about him. We can't scry him, we can't call him. He'll be focused on protecting his waifu. I suppose we could scry or call SHIKI real quickly, but what would be the point?
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>>4733363
we don't have to do that we'll just tell Alcides we gotta go now

>>4733356
HOW, I thought he was just fucking around with Ayaka
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>>4733368
can we teleport Ayaka though? I think we should check up on Gilgamesh really quick and see if anything is going on with him
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>>4733370
Speed, plus he needs to be here to hear the plan.

>>4733371
Gil has a noble phantasm that prevents teleporting around him. He gave us a copy. I don't think we can just do that without his permission.
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>>4733315
>Something else?
>Scry for SHIKI
Fuck it man, QM made me nervous and i need to see what the fuck Gil is up to now, worse case scenario, he finally noticed SHIKI and skewered him
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I'm going to vote we enhance Billy's shooting skills to automatically aim for merlin now.
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You know, for all the discussion...
Only one person officially voted so far.
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>>4733381
Eh, we have time and this is an important vote. You said you'll call tomorrow. You don't want a mess of vote changes, do you?
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>>4733315
>>Go after the Servant hovering about outside the borders of the forest. (Send who?)

Send Mordred and Billy. Between Mordred's sheer power and Billy's Thunderer, they can at least stall if it's a powerful force long enough for us to send reinforcements.
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Call Shiki to see if he's in the forest first, same with Waver. It'll give is an idea of what we're heading into if they are in there. If they don't pick up we assume they are fighting.
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>>4733381
big brain plans are required
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Seriously, can we just ask Shirou to give Taiga a call real quick? She's a master, and we've been delaying this for no reason for a good while.
It takes no time, and we're not even the ones doing it. She might be in danger, or could be of help to us.
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>>4733397
We can include it in the final plan. Shirou and Saber are benched anyway, he'll have time to talk to her in between being balls deep in his fiancee.
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>>4733397
ok make Shirou call Taiga and scry for SHIKI, vote for it then
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>>4733397
Support
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>>4733402
Why are you scrying for Shiki he has a phone. He might be in merlin's influence and be blocked. Just call him Merlin doesn't know about tech. Same for waver call him and make sure if it's him or not I'm the field.

If they both don't answer it means there busy fighting or running. If they pick up and are in the forest we get intel. If they aren't in the forest we still get intel.
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After the war we are feeding Merlin to Sakura, I don't want that futa groomer to be anywhere near our daughters.
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Why don't you just go ask Manaka if she can help you deal with this Orochi problem?
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>>4733429
why, so she can fuck something else up?
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>>4733429
She's probably too busy to help out.
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>>4733429
You crazy man, we stopped making deals with eldritch abominations and she's at the top of the pile.
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>>4733437
Why do you hate this innocent face so much?
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>>4733420
why would we use a phone if we can Scry for him? There are several different reasons for why he wouldn't pick up the phone, maybe Gil skewered him, maybe he's in the forest doing stuff, maybe he can't pick up the phone cause something important is going on, you're making an assumption as to why he won't be able to pick it up when Scry will be able to tell us what exactly went on
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>>4733421
Too risky. We just outright vaporize him
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>>4733442
The left one is okay, and we need to save her or Ayaka will be upset. The right one needs to be vored by Sakura, loli vore.
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>>4733442
We dont hate the left one as much as the right one.
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>>4733334
why is this fucker being a dick to us for no reason i thought he was based
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>>4733443
No it won't if he's in Merlin's range of influence it's blocked and all you'll get is flowers.
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>>4733448
>The right one needs to be vored by Sakura
stop trying to get Sakura to eat people that can potentially possess her
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>>4733450
He's jealous that we didn't need to groom futas to be a king's advisor.
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>>4733451
why would that be a bad thing? If he's in Merlin's range, that means he's in the forest, we'll know where he is now and then try to call him
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>>4733442
Left is based, fuck Right

>>4733450
Yeah it's kinda weird isn't it.
Normal Merlin dickery aside this is obviously a serious situation.
What could he be scheming
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>>4733457
maybe he's forcing us in a certain direction and if we knew who was fighting in the forest, we'd immediately go there instead of dealing with Orochi
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>>4733333
I remember Merlin was scared of Cybele cause if he doesnt die but stops thinking his Incubus lineage fucks him over. Medusa is gonna dunk him.
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The way I see it is by blocking visuals he limits our sight forcing a master to come on sight. If we had scrying up and running then we'd be able to sit back while the servants fight. It also makes the Madea teleport escape plan difficult.

I wouldn't bring Mordred since he is a possible target as the future king of england.
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>>4733462
Otherwise if you don't fuck over his Independent Manifestation, which afaik is based on his Illusionism/Incubus shit, he just goes back to Avalon.

So dying isn't that bad, but being stasis'd like turned to stone or I guess timelocked fucks him over forever.

That is, if this version of him is from Independent Manifestation, but he probably is.
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>>4733465
It's weird. He said he was here because the world was in danger when we first met him. He really shouldn't be making things more difficult for us.
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>>4733375
>>4733315
adding to my vote
>Something else?
>Scry for SHIKI
>Scry for Taiga
>Scry for Waver
>If none of them can be scryed then call them
I think this will more or less give us a clear picture of what's happening. If any of them are blocked by Merlin then we know they're at the forest, we'll know its Waver's group who is about to be attacked and we'll know that Gilgamesh is aiming to kill someone
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>>4733357
Against servants it'll probably just be a brief stall as ZOuken floods them full of mana to regenerate the broken and missing parts of their forms. It's probably Shuten's best non-lethal though unless she can trap them all in a drunken haze with Aroma.
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>>4733471
Unless he thinks the world is in danger because of us, and all his plans/assumptions rely or build on that fact. Maybe his dream demon nature makes him that anathema to us or something. I wouldn't discount something like that.
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>The mistake they ended up making that killed off the ability to have the quest be slower-paced was walking straight into the final boss' lair with no knowledge of them or way to defeat them.
>Twice.
How did we fuck up killing Zouken twice
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Orochi's faction is clashing with Merlin's, so is there ANY reason not to deal with Oroch right fucking now? Yoink Alcides from the docks and just storm his snake ass. Leave Touko, Billy, Sakura, Sacchin, Arc and Medea behind for safety and go ham on Orochi.
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>>4733479
Does that mean that Merlin's faction is the one opposing Orochi, and the ones we also need to defeat?
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>>4733477
Oh no, I'm talking about Manaka.
You fucked up killing Zouken for every single vote you had Medea where you didn't scry and go squish him.
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>>4733480
why the fuck do we need to defeat Merlin? He's firmly on the side of good that's very odd
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>>4733471
Well if you think about it, won't we fuck up the world post game if we do win? Maybe he is saving the modern world from our super powered faction, even if its mutually assured destruction. At least our faction would be severely weakened or all dead if we fail.
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>>4733475
The brief time where their limbs are jello should give Archer the opening to RB them.

>>4733476
He has clairvoyance. He has seen everything we've done so far. How he can possibly think we're a bigger threat than Orochi and Manaka.

>>4733477
???

>>4733479
Orochi's servants are probably the 6 surrounding Einzbern castle. We have an unknown group of 6 fighting an unknown group of 4.
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>>4733488
>???
He's quoting a /qtg/ post.
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>>4733484
In my defense, i wasn't there for that vote i would've never let it go if we had the golden ticket to kill Zouken and Kirei
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Think very carefully why Merlin might be opposed to all the factions in play here.
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>>4733487
why would he care? We're restarting Camelot and potentially making a resurgence of the Age of Gods, seems like a weird thing to be against. Also he's serving Alaya and Alaya likes us
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>>4733484
Getting Ayaka asap was more important for some anons I guess, it was still worth it though imo. I don't want to see Gil's redemption arc get sidelined until its impossible to pacify him anymore.
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>>4733497
He's an Age of Man autist and doesn't like our plans for that, cause he wants a specific vision of the World to be true, is my guess. He loves humanity's achievements so he might sperg about all the weird shit like Dragons, Goddesses and Outer Gods we keep bringing in, not even speaking of our own Truth higher order stuff.

Even let Camelot be corrected out of existence by the World.
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>>4733497
>Orochi
Will destroy the world
>Manaka
Will destroy all timelines
>Us
?????

Are there other factions at play here?
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>All of his actions are done for humanity's happy end with little care for who is used or manipulated in the process, his decisions considered to be neither good or evil and with no emotion whatsoever towards the people themselves
Why the fuck would this asshole be against us i'm so confused now, we're nearly the same
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>>4733497
Because you think he's cringe and want to give as many people as you can a reason to bully him?
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Did we piss off alaya or something, is that why he's blocking our scrying?
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>>4733502
But then he drops all of that as soon as Shinji becomes a girl. We're also an otome protagonist in another timeline aren't we? Fem!Paradox Incarnated.
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>>4733504
Humanity's happy end for him is specifically the Age of Will he and Gilgamesh saw, so I guess our presence fucks over that specific worldline possibility and maybe our presence in the Universe of Record, which is basically blocktime and past present and future as one, is really fucked because of our Truth.

So theoretically we have the same goal, but in actuality we destroy the possibility of his by existing.
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>>4733505
No, anon. I don't. Merlin's motivations here MIGHT have something to do with the fact that he's a Grand Servant
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>>4733510
Oh yeah, aren't we a potential Threat to Humanity/Evil of Humanity?
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>>4733509
that still doesn't make sense, Alaya basically owns him, especially now because he's a Grand Servant, him being against us means Alaya is
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>>4733510
Manaka is a threat, and so is Orochi.
Are WE a Beast level threat?
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>>4733516
we have the potential to be a Beast
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>>4733516
Well. didn't the Manakas say that, now that I think about it?
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Even above having the potential to be a Beast, we basically "subverted" Alaya by hugging her and telling her of higher-order humanity, have a Beast-class skill of Beloved of Alaya, and our sister is hosting Tiamat.

I can see how this doesn't look good from the outside.
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MERLIN STAPH
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>>4733495
I was asleep during the Orochi eating Aruceid episode. My writein was "just teleport us all into the air" and WhatIs said I was too late to be counted. Could have prevented a lot
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alright so yeah. Manaka is attempting apotheosis into something easily more powerful than a Beast, then there's Orochi who is potentially GOING to become a Beast, and then us (who has a beast inside of our sister, a foreigner, our BS Truth powers, and also 3-faces Medusa)
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>>4733525
And Tamamo being our wife/wife-candidate who is also a potential Beast, are buddying it up with Nyarlatothep, the Foreigner of Azathoth...
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>>4733519
>>4733522
We have the potential, but we've done pretty much everything we possibly could to move in the opposite direction.

>>4733525
From the outside? Isn't he supposed to be Alaya's chief jannie? Hell, Alaya offered us the position of her Beast and we refused!
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>>4733510
You did go on that one rant about Merlin being a retard about a month and a half ago though...
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I'm trying to wrap my head around why Merlin would be against us and still can't get anything, all i can find is reasons he would be on our side
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>>4733531
I can 100% believe that Merlin is going rogue from the will of Humanity. If its something like that, he is totally autistic.

Or he believes that us going to the forest is going to make us close to an actual Beast somehow, and is trying to prevent us Beast-hood.
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>>4733532
Technically, the rant was about how he's either a retard, had malicious intentions or had orders to let Camelot fall somehow. He did just leave one day without even saying anything.
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>>4733540
Wasn't Camelot destined to fall? Or am I mixing up legends?
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>>4733540
Reading through, seems like one implication is that Vivian was chasing after him

>>4733543
Camelot was destined to fall, he also told Artoria it was destined to fall and there's nothing she could do about it before she pulled the sword from the stone
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>>4733543
Camelot falling was forced as a Quantum timelocked event.
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>>4733543
Camelot was destined to fall in that it was supposed to fall for the good of mankind.
I imagine we'll get to see what happens when Camelot doesn't fall in the next Lostbelt, which sounds an awful lot like the fairies managed to take over instead.
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>>4733546
also they can somehow shoot Rhongomyniad from different universes
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>>4733550
That one I can kinda understand.

Rhongomyniad is pinning a Texture->It can go through Textures at least somewhat -> Supercharged it can wholly punch through Textures to somewhere else.

This falls apart if the reason it can "pin" them is due to being some reality stability Tower ala Elder Scrolls Towers, but eh.
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>>4733550
Not different universes, the textures that wrap around the planet.
Rhongomyniad is a weapon with control over Textures.
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Here's Merlin's first appearance:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/4661477/#p4669791
I'd quote the relevant parts, but I can't cut them down to fit in a single post.

My takeaways: Apparently Merlin was summoned suddenly yesterday, possibly after we made Mordred King, after we erased Roa from the Root or after we summoned Morgan. He said Olga Marie is crucial to the fate of the world. He ranted about prophecy. I still don't get it.

Someone smarter than me make sense of this.
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>>4733560
Why did Alaya sever her connection to the other timelines again?
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>>4733566
You don't know that, in character.
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>>4733566
woman moment
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>>4733567
Oh

:(
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>>4733561
Well, what do we know about Olga-Marie? She has no future, absolutely none in which she survives supposedly, even without falling into Chaldeas, so she is probably some fucky thing Marisbilly made.

But lets say it has something to do with Chaldeas which doesn't exist right now and probably won't ever in that iteration. When she fell into it, it was said to be like falling into black hole. Falling forever into an information horizon.

It probably fucked up something super hard due to how human observation functions, infinity, irretrievability of information, timeline bullshit(the black hole maybe made a touching point of timelines? who knows).

Alien God can casually make black holes and they are bad news that are stronger than the Planet iirc.

Animusphere family was obsessed with stars and planets being Hollow and that Hollowness containing God (Root?). Chaldeas was supposed to be the rendition of the soul of the Planet. Black Hole Planet soul being observed by a human forever who turned into a Beast?

Who the the fuck knows.

So I have no concrete idea, just lots of maybe hints from wild theories, canon and whatever Zelretch said about not wanting to meet us. Probably the "singular timeline with no branches" shit again.
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>>4733315
>>4733472
>>4733375
Supporting both of these. (Mostly because I can’t really decide which one we should do more so fuck it do both)
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>>4733561
Also, I think that Prophecy thing has to do with Zepia and Marisbilly being unable to confirm the survival of the World perfectly, due to being unable to calculate all the timelines. Merlin probably thinks they are retards for trying to cheat that by making it so they only have to calculate 1 timeline, and thinks something similar is going to happen because 2nd Magic + Truth apparently fuck each other.
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>>4733571
Might be relevant that Arcueid destroyed Chaldea in this timeline before it could ever take off.

>>4733573
I thought the prophecy thing was about us breaking his "once and future king" prophecy by giving Caliburn to Mordred.
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>>4733575
>Might be relevant that Arcueid destroyed Chaldea in this timeline before it could ever take off.
Why? Did she tell us?
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>>4733566
Her head got so tingly at the idea of supra-universal humans that she decided it wasn't even worth having timelines that didn't have one.
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>>4733576
God told us. We didn't have the chance to ask her.
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>>4733575
I think it is in general about the nature of prophecy, or rather Adjacent Worlds/Time locks/Universe of Record-Universe of Observation stuff.

If we managed to break that one prophecy without turning reality into a spaghetti, that does mean we can theoretically break others, but does not necessarily follow that reality won't spaghettify if we fuck up imo.

That was the crux of the issue with not having "1 timeline", there could exist something in a rando timeline that fucks up the entire Tree of Time, and its impossible to see coming.

Since we seemingly ignore the nature of time and adjacent worlds, that means that things cannot be certain at all around us, I think?
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>>4733577
Sounds plausible
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>>4733576
I mean. It's a 1 to 1 rendition of the Planet's soul, and she is the highest terminal of the World that is active, it could just be self-defense.

But yeah, it could be some esoteric timeline/reality bullshit and I am betting on that one. Hollow Planets/Stars, black holes, Gods (Outer Gods maybe?), Texture fuckery, Timeline fuckery, none of it sounds good to the World.
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The plan I described in >>4733347 needs to be rewritten. Without scrying, we cannot have the Casters stay in the war room and support from afar. And we cannot have Shiki wait in safety for a surprise teleport. I also realized I gave no role to Satsuki or Shuten. I still think the rest of it is our best chance of taking Orochi out, but I'm too beat to think or write the relevant modifications. I should have gone to sleep a couple hours ago. Damn you Merlin, and damn you WhatIs.
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>>4733584
If this is some "hurr durr learn not to rely on fallible scrying (prophecy)" after we broke prophecy, I vote to have Merlin Cybele'd into a garden ornament for Morgan.
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>>4733585
I doubt it. But I really can't figure out his motivation. Even if he thinks we're a threat, he could have talked to us. We've talked to absolutely everyone and anyone (other than Kirei and Zouken). We would have taken his warning seriously.
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>>4733585
that's a terrible idea, his incubus powers are scary man
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>>4733587
In Babylonia he was shit-scared of Cybele because it explicitly stops you from thinking, and apparently he's like a demon in that he requires a constant source of ideation to survive. Essentially if he ain't thinking, he stops existing, but if he keeps thinking he lives and even has Independent Manifestation.
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Can Alayas interfere with other timelines? Like, other Alayas see our Alaya going off-script and they send Merlin to fuck around, so Alaya cuts them off? That or Alaya is simply getting in our way for whatever reason.
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I find it interesting that caster artoria fucking hates her female merlin.
Merlin is a dick even without one.
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Gotta ask QM, did you expect everyone to be so gung-ho about conquering Great Britain?

>>4733588
Merlin can't die
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>>4733594
>Merlin can't die
We'll see about that.
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>>4733588
He didnt want to sleep because he was making tiamat sleep, if he was knocked out tiamat would have awaken.
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>>4733597
He was fine being ganked and dying because he just goes back to Avalon, but Cybele was explicitly a different kind of danger, where he doesn't just go back to his own tower.
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>>4733596
>NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED
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Merlin's manifestation:
>"First you show up from the weird broken summoning circle my father made, then you just... pick me up and suddenly we're in Japan! You're the worst Servant ever!"
>"If you're my Servant, then doesn't that mean you have to do as I command you?" So the two really are Master and Servant then? "Can't I just order you to take me back home?"
>"That would really only work if you had normal command spells, and it looks like you might have gotten a little unlucky in that regard." The girl suddenly looks at her left hand, and a faint purple glow lights up a pattern on her palm. in the center of the pattern is a diamond, above it is an upwards pointing arrow. The two smaller shapes are surrounded by an odd winged pattern. "As a result of my summoning, those command spells can only be used to empower me, not to bend me to your will."

Talking with Merlin, his dialogue towards Shinji:
>"How much do you know about prophecies?"
>To say that only those who know the future are capable of writing a prophecy is incorrect, not to mention that the mere act of seeing a future doesn't actually mean that it will always occur, I wouldn't call you a prophet, for example."
>Anybody can make a prophecy, and if you make it vague enough, or if you set it far enough into the future, then you'll never be found out as a fraud... But that wouldn't be a true prophecy either.
>Well, obviously, a true prophecy can only be made by somebody who is able to decide on what the future will bring. A true prophecy that is incapable of being broken." He shrugs. "Though for somebody to be able to do that, well I guess they'd need to be acting with the full authority of something like an all-powerful God."

Then he basically just dabs and sends Shinji and co. back to the Tohno residence.
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>>4733593
Caster Artoria's Merlin is female? But yeah no one likes Merlin, even Artoria who has a soft spot for him still puts him down for being a fucking asshole

>>4733596
it genuinely might be too hard, Avalon is beyond True Magic
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>>4733596
We just need to summon caster saber.
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>>4733601
We're utilising God's guidance, so we can continue to trust a True Prophecy just as Merlin told us and continue ahead with nuking the entire forest.
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>>4733594
He's specifically afraid of Cybele because it can permakill him.
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>>4733601
Was ... this Merlin sent by God instead of Alaya/the World?
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>>4733602
>it genuinely might be too hard
I don't care. The fucker better have a really, really, really, good reason for what he's doing or he's fucking dead.
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>>4733608
being trapped in Avalon makes it so he can't die even if he wanted to
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>>4733602
>Caster Artoria's Merlin is female?
yep
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>>4733610
I feel God would have told us something if he'd previously sent Merlin to oppose us.
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>>4733612
That's the thing. Cybele doesn't "kill him" so there is no "death" it just permanently turns him into stone that can't think.

That's why its scary to him, its a work around. He lives, without thinking.
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>>4733617
>That's why its scary to him, its a work around. He lives, without thinking.
That would be fucking scary to anyone, to be fair.
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>>4733617
yeah this a fair punishment if he doesn't have a good fucking excuse to us for doing this
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>>4733614
I bet anons wouldn't want to kill this Merlin.
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>>4733601
Now that I think of it, wouldn't someone like that bomber from KnK or Empyrean Eye fulfill the condition of true prophecy? It locks a possibility, and bomber dude was killed by R.Shiki who is probably closest to being God outside of actual God.
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>>4733622
If she'd done the same shit that our Merlin did, I'd be just as bloodthirsty against her.
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>>4733622
anons want to kill Altrogue though
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Also, as to saying that Merlin is Alaya's something or other or wants to preserve humanity, there is this translation;

"On the other hand, I'm merely a spectator.
I certainly haven't the intention to become an ally.
Humanity or individual humans would in the end [both] be as the concerns of others."
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>>4733626
>"Merlin? My magecraft teacher, the one who pushed Cath Palug to me against my will and say "Sorry, I leave it to you" upon leaving, that Merlin?"
She seems to just have left her to take care of the beast and fucked off.
She also wants to kill her at least once.
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>>4733614
But that's Proto Arthur's Merlin.
Caster Arturia's Merlin should still be male, right?
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>>4733638
not sure, she says that our merlin is different from hers, sowho knows.
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>>4733638
Is that a candy or a mini Dragon ball?
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>>4733640
She also says she's devised a method to kill an undying incubus in the translation I've seen, so...
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>>4733643
Who can say?
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>>4733644

As far as I know, isn't it in original japanese just "Dream Demon"? With the Incubus/Succubus divide being a translation artifact of language.
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>>4733647
Well if it is a dragon ball, then this universe is about to become a lot more crowded and insane.
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>>4733650
Wukong is hiding her secret EX rank NP allowing her to go Super Saiyan Four.
>>4733649
It's probably just the case of it being a slightly different male Merlin. Proto Arthur is both visibly surprised and disappointed to see asshole male Merlin.
Female Merlin is a much nicer person.
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>>4733652
>Female Merlin is a much nicer person
That is until she wants to fullfill her fujo fantasies by giving bishounen pussies to mpreg. Also Arthur is Ruler isn't he?
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>>4733652
Oh god
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>>4733652
Also, what about that girl with her monkey? How much time till they reach us?
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>>4733658
Wukong going to have ultra instinct, Orochi is going to be vaporized.
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>>4733652
>Female Merlin is a much nicer person.
Be what we know, who knows if she is also a dick.
Or maybe having arthur to dick her made her less dickish.
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>>4733661
We really need to see if we can teleport waver to us, i don't trust his luck.
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We should probably start putting together a vote. We can trust God, Merlin's conversation even support this as only God could offer a true prophecy.

We need to call Waver to ensure he's not in the forest. We can ride in on dragonform daughter which ambiently increases the mana and with her project a Truth Barrier around us to tank the splash damage from Karna yeeting Brahmastras over everything we want gone in the forest? God said defeat both Orochi and the forces that opposite it so we probably can't be too picky about collateral damage when they're all going to have to be defeated.

>>4733652
FemMerlin has a lower rank in Hero Creation and Significantly lower ranked Dreamlike Charisma. She does have an EX ranked succubus skill that drains mana from enemies while casting Illusions so she's likely a massive slut. Her Territory Creation is also a few ranks lower, but her Item Creation is A+ in contrast to vanilla Merlin's C.

>>4733665
I'd say Medea tries the teleport simultaneously with us calling him?

Shirou needs to call Taiga.
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>>4733662
She's probably a fujo into mpreg since Male Merlin gives women cocks to impregnate other women.
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That's it, Merlin goes into the worm pit. Fuck that guy.
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>>4733652
>Female Merlin is a much nicer person.
why don't i believe that?
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>>4733666
>she's likely a massive slut.
You say that like there's a non-insignificant slice of probability wherein the female version of Merlin is not a massive slut.
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We need to work out distance in relation to the size of Fuyuki. I can't find any maps that specify Fuyuki's size but we can probably work out an estimation based on Archer's 4km vision regarding the bridge.

Archer was standing where exactly when he used his 4km vision meme to count the bolts of the bridge in FSN? Was it just outside the EMIYA residence? Alcides might have enough range to shoot from the port if the town is small enough.

>>4733672
Female, cumdemon and EX ranked whoring skill. Gives Kiara a run for her money.
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>>4733666
>I'd say Medea tries the teleport simultaneously with us calling him?
Better call him, tell that shit is fucked and ask to teleport him and that him being where we know is very important so they don't die to some random servant.
Heck, i want to see waver's reaction to seeing gilgamesh again.
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>>4733675
I'm afraid of Orochi just easily jumping that, since Arturia command seal'd to be as strong as she was in life did in HA, and Orochi probably can too.

Can we just have the Casters create a huge ass tower from which to snipe very very far away for Karna? I think we're about to be past secrecy, or are we still clinging to it for now?
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>>4733682
We're over secrecy, minimising NPC death is an afterthought though. Not to be completely discounted. God mentioned nothing about restraining our actions by secrecy so I don't care. People are better off alive than aware of magic.
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>>4733666
I think my vote of scrying for Waver, Taiga and SHIKI and calling them if we don't get anything is a good call. If the scry is clouded by flowers, we know they're in the forest, if they aren't answering, we know they're in a fight
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We really should find kaledostar before we join this clusterfuck. We might need magical boy Shinji the hero no one asked for but was needed.
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>>4733685
We aren't ready to fight the MA, Church etc so secrecy is important. Secondly even if we don't give a fuck doesn't mean our allies won't give.
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>>4733689
I am pretty sure Rin cares for example, but she has to know we're planning on making Mordred King of Britain and letting her be eternal magic king, right?
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>>4733693
I don't know if anyone really knows what's going on with that beyond random shit Mordred spouts.
Rin probably doesn't understand the whole conquest as an actual thing that will be happening.
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>>4733693
I don't think she knows or isn't thinking about it right now. She has bigger things on her mind like the end of the multiverse.

Secondly any attempt would be years down the line to gather the resources and make the plans for an invasion. We aren't going to just jump from the grail war to the war on Britain. We have no army!

What I'm thinking is using money to buy up destitute magecraft families like Ugh in Apocrypha, get Illya in on it and hire mundane soldiers to make up numbers.
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>>4733702
I prefer the idea to conquer britain through capitalism.
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Human jogging speed is about 10km/hr, Emiya residence is a 40min jog from the Temple. Fudging the numbers a bit as it wouldn't be as the crow flies to go from the Emiya residence to the temple as you'd have to take roads and the stairs but effectively at 20km away from the Forest marker on this map you'd be in about the centre of Miyama town.

Please excuse the shit paint skills but it gives you a rough idea of Alcides' range. Karna is higher ofc.

I'd say a good opening assault vantage point for Alcides and Karna would be ontop of the Bridge in the centre of the town, it's a bit over 20km away but its at a higher vantage point for extra range and vision so it's definitely within Alcides' canon effective range, he could probably push it further too, as he shattered Gil's armguards at that 20km distance and those tanked melee Excalibur swings.

>>4733689
As soon as the war is over and we've purged the corruption of the Grail we're going underground and infiltrating the Clocktower.
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>>4733702
Mordred has a training arc after the war where she learns dual wielding so she can duel two parliment members at the same time, thus doubling wartime efficiency.
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>>4733705
Are we doing anything with Juzteaze/3rd Magic in the Grail, or just using it as a huge energy source for our Casters to go wild with? Just to make sure.

Also, are we going to infiltrate the Clocktower in actuality or just go in with all the Casters and straightforwardly demand to be Head of Archeology or something?
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>>4733703
we can always just tell Mordred to wait four years, maybe train, study, build up forces while we wait for the bubble to burst and take advantage of it, the PMs at the time were unpopular and the Royal Family is hanging on my a very thin thread called the Queen, it wouldn't be too hard to win support if we swoop in and offer people prosperity and an answer, the MA will almost certainly get involved though so it won't be so easy
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>>4733707
we can do the 3rd Magic without sacrificing Servants, Medea, Morgan and Tamamo can almost certainly find an alternative route that doesn't require the HGW
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>>4733711
I meant more in the sense of taking Juzteaze out of the Grail as she serves as the Circuit in it and using her to leave the Grail's worth of energy to work with, or just using the Grail with the energy as is.
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>>4733705
Bruh we just need QM to make his own map so we can get a good idea
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>>4733709
The problem with that is Shinji is pretty sure Mordred wants to be direct and methods that would allow him to buy the country wouldn't be popular. We have the skill for that even without circumstances.

So ya convince Mordred is the name of the game. She does need to study because she can't rely on instinct to guide a country.

Also when does snowfield happen? How many years we got until shit hits fan?
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>>4733705
So Alcides isn't going to be able to fire a few cheeky shots from the docks without diminishing his effectiveness and potentially just alerting the Orochi to our arrival.

Definitely in the current vote:
>have Ilya teleport the greekoids here now with a CS
>Scry for Waver, Taiga and SHIKI and calling them if we don't get anything, Shirou can help with these by calling Taiga, Sakura can call Waver while we call SHIKI maybe to save a little time. If the scry is clouded by flowers, we know they're in the forest, if they aren't answering, we know they're in a fight.
>Teleport those we can secure from our scrying here immediately

>maybe scry that extra dim single light?

That'd probably be it for a single update.

Have I missed anything?

Next update we probably want to brief the team and divvy out roles. Disclose the identity of all servants we know of seeing as we can't scry the rest. Warn of the possibility of Nero becoming the Beast of Revelations if Manaka gets a hold on her, mention the talk no jutsu opening to try and convert away any enemies before unloading nuclear and Hydra arrow hellfire onto the rest in the forest. Mention God's plan and how it interacts with what Merlin said about only God can give True prophecies? That our goal is to defeat the Orochi and those that oppose it. Making Merlin potentially our enemy. If Merlin is cockblocking us here, offer Morgana a new lawn ornament with Medusa's help for her Fairy Garden once this is sorted.
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>>4733718
Nine Lives Hydra shot buffed further by Ares' sash could potentially delete an entire party of enemy servants in a single attack with little to no collateral damage btw. Especially if they're divine.
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>>4733718
Would sending the servants that cannot join the Orochi fight to help build the ship speed it up enough to make a difference?

Fox wife, Billy, Arc, etc to help finish the ship as fast as possible.
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>>4733707
We'll probably have a sealing designation after this so we'll need a new identity. I'd say infiltrate as newer students and try and get some of the Casters hired as teachers via Waver/Touko/Aoko pulling strings?
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>>4733726
Why dont we just call our company contacts and ship some of the best shipbuilders here to finish instead of the servants?
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>>4733726
We probably need the extra muscle to deal with servants in the forest and we need to have the base defended in case someone rocks up at Rin's place like Cu or Tesla. There's reason to fix up the Argo and time too to deal with Manaka after snek is sorted, the horse as already bolted in regards to bringing the boat with us to Orochi as the fight has already begun and we can't even scry so we have to jump in the fray ourselves.

Post snek we definitely want a few Argonauts so we will finish the boat if Jason survives, Assclap gives us an Immortality Elixir on demand, and I want to bully Castor.
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>>4733717
we can advise her to take the capitalist route, she's like, retarded, so she'll go for whatever. FSF takes place in 2008
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>>4733739
If she agrees fine but Shinji in story has thought that wasn't likely.

We still need an army and a magic orginization to defend against the clocktower because as soon as she's crowned it's open season.
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>>4733747
We probably need a magical army in general, if we are bringing back AoG things. Especially since if things come back from the Reverse, we can't plan for what comes through. The Reverse is not quite subject to time as Humans know, afaik.
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>>4733738
Castor would be fun to bully, dude is such a tsundere for humans.
and his sister is very fucking hot
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Maybe we should try to scry for Alan or Aífe?
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>>4733766
Pollox a best. Oddly Castor is some weird cuck who wants to hand his sister over to Heracles for the BGC
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>>4733772
God said no
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>>4733776
Castor also talks like a siscon, but actually isn't so he gets all of the social consequences and none of the pussy.
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>>4733779
Going purely by God we should just strike at Orochi and his Servants right away. Which will lead to us fighting third party too.
With third party now all but confirmed to be Merlin.
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>>4733776
he wants to preserve the Dioscuri bloodline
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>>4733783
Which is why I want to bully him

>>4733785
If not for Nero's presence I'd say nuke it all. I don't want to start the literal Apocalypse by feeding Manaka the only part of the 6th Beast she can't just spawn on a whim. No

>>4733787
They're all direct children of Zeus. I guess Castor can't not be obsessed with incest even if it's not him.
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>>4733796
Why do you assume that we will just nuke it from get go instead of directly confronting his forces first?
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>>4733803
It was in the original plan of greeting Orochi with Brahmastra and levelling the whole castle.

We can be more tactful now we can't directly scry.
I wonder if we can even range them from here, will Merlin's influence block Karna's Clairvoyance or is he only blocking scrying?
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>>4733315

>have Ilya teleport the greekoids here now with a CS
>Scry for Waver, Taiga and SHIKI and calling them if we don't get anything, Shirou can help with these by calling Taiga, Sakura can call Waver while we call SHIKI maybe to save a little time. If the scry is clouded by flowers, we know they're in the forest, if they aren't answering, we know they're in a fight.
>Teleport those we can secure from our scrying here immediately
>Ask Karna to try and get a look at the enemies between us and the large signal with his Clairvoyance, describing them if possible.

Need to start delegating tasks for characters that aren't Shinji
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>>4733805
But original plan was about using a bait and just fighting him head on with Alcides and Shiki as preferable method to kill him.
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>>4733810
I know, I suggested the bait and the specifics that were voted for originally. But that fell apart when people voted to keep Abby around so Betty is asleep until plot decides it's time for her to wake up.

We did get another line for the Aria, the Silver Key and secured a strong relationship with Betty + her whole statsheet out of it though so completely worth ditching the convoluted meme plan.
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>>4733815
There was also the newfound ethical issue when we found out that Betty could have made a living copy of Just that's effectively identical to the original.
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>>4733819
She could just make the husk though and have it animated via Touko's puppet magecraft or similar.

There was still the Sasaki plan of removing the Kusanagi, which could be diverted to in the skirmish.
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Frankly I trust Nyarlathotep more than God.
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>>4733827
That's pretty foolish considering Nyarly's favorite thing to do is make people that trust him die in agony.
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>>4733827
It's ok to be wrong sometimes

>Nyarlathotep seems to be deliberately deceptive and manipulative, and even uses propaganda to achieve his goals. In this regard, he is probably the most human-like among the Outer Gods.

>Unlike the other Outer Gods, spreading madness is more important and enjoyable than death and destruction to Nyarlathotep. It is suggested by some that he will destroy the human race and possibly the earth as well

>And where Nyarlathotep went, rest vanished; for the small hours were rent with the screams of a nightmare

I can keep going
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>>4733839
to be fair its better to trust someone you know about than a God you know jack shit.
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>>4733841
yeah its better to trust the alien devil that has a hard on for destroying lives than a stranger, i agree
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>>4733835
>>4733839
We are pretty cool in Azathoth`s eyes though.
Making us Nyarly`s best friend. We are hardly some private detective running into some mask of mask of Nyarlathotep.

That being said
>>4733315
Supporting >>4733808
If only to see how fucked we are in terms of Merlin being few moves ahead of us.
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>>4733846
We're basically Nyarly's step.. father? step uncle? at this point but he's toxic to our human allies just by existing. He spreads madness wherever he treads
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>>4733841
God at least shows interest in our wellbeing while Nyarly only cares about us fulfilling his immediate goals and obligations to Azatoth.
>>4733846
Nyarlathotep does not have friends and Azatoth's interest does not guarantee our safety.
It's not like Azatoth has any real control over Nyarly, big N just likes to larp as Azatoth's agent when it suits him.
>>4733808
+1
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>>4733859
make sure you tag WhatIs' post so he tracks your voot
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>>4733859
>>4733314
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>>4733808
Ill support this
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>>4733860
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>>4733874
Nigerman has a nigercat
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i wish Nyarlathotep showed up as a girl.
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>>4733808
Support
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>>4733874
I'm too easily baited
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>>4733911
support
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>>4733315

let's go with >>4733808

I feel like you may think you're giving us enough information to come up with sound strategy and maybe you are right OP but I think you underestimate the overwhelming domain of possibilities rest of us who don't know exactly what's going on have to consider. Plenty of opportunity to overlook something obvious.
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>>4733315
>>4733808
+1
my nigger
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>>4733922
Does Gil know Orochi is around?
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so nobody is thinking about checking on altrouge, blackmore and prelati?
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>>4733954
I feel we're too time pressed in the immediate future, it's on the cards eventually
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>>4733954
I'd be happy to have Sakura eat all 3 too, if we're in agreement
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>>4733956
>>4733957
do not trust them not be in town and ploting in this chaos.
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altrouge could be the one doing extra summons. memlin would easy make a deal with her by promising to give her us.
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>>4733954
Prelati hasn't even done anything to us, why do we even need to kill her
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>>4733968
She'll start the Snowfield war in 2008 and it would be funny
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>>4733969
>She'll start the Snowfield war in 2008
yeah i wanna let her live, that sounds like fun
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>>4733971
I wanna say hi to Richard and bully Ishtar.

I also wonder how teen Alcides will respond to his edgy boomer counterpart. If Gil lives through this, how will he react to a second copy of him, how will Enkidu treat both Gils? Will Kid or Caster Gil be summoned in place of the Archer as Gil is already walking around?
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>>4733974
Okay, you convinced me. Let Prelati make SF and THEN eat her.
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>>4733315
>>4733808
+1
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>>4733805
Orochi's Servants are outside the castle. We can still demolish it without harming them.
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>>4733315
>>4733472
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Goddamn Merlin. How the fuck do you even defeat someone who can see everything going on in the present?
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>>4734002
some anons wanted to fuck manaka with hastur. we can try do that to merlin.
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>>4734022
He can see the preparations and think of a proper answer. Surprise Cybele is the only viable plan that's been proposed, but he already knows and he''ll avoid Medusa like the plague.

And I just realized we could just shout "Merlin you goddamn asshole! Why?" at nowhere in particular and he'd hear it.
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>>4734026
i have an idea. monica can fry him.
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>>4734032
Monica is fucking terrifying. We just need to banish the mana black hole Serbian autist from her head.
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>>4734002
Its not as bad as it sounds, due to the way agency and clairvoyance interact. Since true Clairvoyance is seeing the Universe of Record, the more you see the less agency you can exert.

Its a thing with BB, Gil and Merlin.

Gilgamesh essentially went into a trance and scribed his visions, not remembering seeing it. This bypassed "confirming" things so he could exert agency.

BB on the Moon Cell became super powerful basically retroactively due to doing it using Imaginary Number Space/Far Side/Univese of Record bullshit, but it also meant she cant avoid her own defeat if its not confirmed/real enough as is. Essentially, if you do Record/Cairvoyance based on it bullshit, you can pick any path that already exists/any extant Adjacent World/possibility, but you are categorically unable to create new possibilities/worldlines.

As I understand it, this is what stops super Clairvoyance users from being god mode unbeatable.
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>>4734038
If you don't use your Clairvoyance, you can of course, create new possibilities but then you are "part" of an active Age, and not an observer.
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>>4734038
So Merlin basically has no Agency? Promising, but how do we exploit this?
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>>4734042
In short, he can probably choose to bring about a possibility/worldline he can see, but if there exists no good worldine for him/no answer he accepts, he cant create new ones/do something else.
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>>4734037
mana black hole is prob the one of few things dickwizard cant see into.
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>>4734044
So figure out a way to defeat him that leaves him no outs. Less promising, but I suppose that's what we have to do.
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>>4734044
Universe of Record is seeing the World as block time/eternalism. Essentially where the past, present and future are all already real and extant things you can just look at. But this precludes possibility for certainty.

I remember KnK with the clairvoyant bomber going into possibility being Hope/an Oscillation.
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I'll call in about four...? Four hours from now.
If you haven't voted for a plan of actions yet, I suggest you do so now.
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>>4734049
I have no idea how this interacts with our extrauniversal nature/Truth or even active usage of the 2nd True Magic.

We know there are multiiple Zelretches, so 2nd is probably only on a Tree of Time level, not multiverse level, but still.

Actually, why not have Aoko do 5th Magic to fuck him over? Maybe its Law of Consumption/Entropy/Time/Movement fuckery can end him and fuckk his visions.
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>>4734051
Oh god, this makes me nervous we need to start acting now instead of waiting for more information like we're currently voting for.
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>>4734057
Same, but I dont want to just nuke it in case Waver and co get vaporized/Nero Manakas. I guess its time to go in with a team...?
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>>4734055
We know merlin can see us. Even our meeting with Alaya. So our nature does not make us immune to him. I am unsure about active Truth.

And I am also curious why he even showed up in the cary shop if he planned to oppose us from the start.
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>>4734060
We can nuke the castle, it's just Orochi in there. Most of the plan is still workable. I just don't know what to do about the extra servant battle and where to put the casters that can't go near Orochi.
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Can Aoko do some Blue fuckery and give us like 20 years of getting good?

She can do some weird shit with displacing someone's time into someone else. When she did this to herself, the time displaced into her somehow just aged her up/made her herself as if she had been from the future instead of adding the original person's memory/time.

Otherwise it's probably time to start nuking things and leading a Servant deathball around. I don't think splitting up is a good idea.
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Can we have Morgan give Medusa's Three Faces to some Servants with Divinity like Shuten and Tamamo, and have them shut their Divinity off for a while?
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>>4734072
>I don't think splitting up is a good idea.
Some of the Servants can't go anywhere near Orochi. We might as well use them to check the battle out.
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>>4734079
Much too late now, there is no time for anything.
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>>4734072
20 years training arc with medusa on shapeless isle here we go
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>>4734081
My fear is that we only know where Orochi's main base is, but we don't know for sure that Orochi is there. If he is at the battle instead, then those we send there are fucked, as they are specifically weak against him.

Do we know where he is right now?
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>>4734085
We don't know for sure, no. But why would he have his servants surround the castle if he's not there? And I'd suggest we go together with those we send to check out the battle, preferably on dragonback, so we can act if Orochi's there.
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>>4734083
Hero Creation takes more than a couple of seconds? Because it said that its effects are temporary, I thought its like a buff.
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So, alright.

Who to send where again? Split into two teams, without Divinity to Orochi main base, others to battle, we go to the battle with Alitheia?
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>>4734072
for real tho
Aoko plan is genius with our RM
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>>4734090
I don't actually know, but I assume so. There must be a reason we haven't been spamming that already.

>>4734094
That's pretty much what I'd suggest, yeah. Writing a new proposal now, but will be busy with work for the next 20-30 minutes.
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>>4734101
If the concern is "who is going to be losing that time/memory we gain?" then we can just have Aoko use Medusa's "time spent as the Gorgon" or something, not like she wants it, and it'd just work as fuel for our own timeline, somehow. Blue is weird and has some sort of time/heat/memory equivalency going on.
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>>4734051
WhatIs, how long does a use of Hero Creation take to do and how long does it last?

I don't know anymore, because I thought its a very quick and temporary thing because of the way its worded, but now I am not so sure.
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>>4734106
our truth does not have limit if we are talking about fuel and can be used as anything
we can also do it inside fake AOG in breaker gorgon
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and we can fuel fifth with second by using ruby or amethyst
or take npc janitor time of Arc or Redman
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>>4734106
The Fifth True Magic isn't a permanent change. It's only for as long as the Fifth is activated.
And keeping the Fifth activated for Aoko puts a great deal of stress on her.
Also, by exchanging time, she'd have to give you her own time.
In addition are you absolutely certain you want to try to use it on yourself considering what you are?
>>4734107
It takes a short ritual, it's not an instant thing for Morgan and requires a little bit of set-up.
It will usually last around a day or so.
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>>4734114
Why would she have to give her own time? Can she only give and receive time, but not facilitate an exchange of time between third parties? Doesn't have to be long, and stress can probably be solved by our assorted Casters, maybe.

But it is true that I am unsure if its a good idea, but we did manage to use a Kaleidostar, so some True Magics are okay to us.

So it's not a thing we can do right now for the ritual, since "short ritual" is pretty diverse. Oh well.
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Is Rin with Kaleidosword powerful enough to be left alone or brought into combat amongst Servants? I don't have a clear idea of her power.
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>>4734115
She can give and receive time from a single target at a time, and the pressure from using the Fifth True Magic is enormous so it would already be a struggle for her to keep it going from the beggining.
So she'd need to either give you her own time, or take some time from somebody else first, and then give that time to you.
And you have no idea what might happen to you even if it were to succeed.
It's hardly like you're a normal human, after all.
Also, as soon as she stops using the Fifth, the effects go back to normal.
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>>4734118
Rin with the Jewel Sword was strong enough to go against Dark Sakura.
Rin with just gems is strong enough to kill Heracles once.
I'm going to let you think about that one.
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>>4734123
I guess we could send her with the Orochi team if she has so much firepower...She has beams and ranged stuff with the Kaleidosword, right? She doesn't need to try going into melee with the Snake God.

I don't think leaving her alone in the city is a good idea. This way we can bring basically every Servant into combat and she can cut loose with her stuff without having to think about not blowing up a neighbourhood
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lets copy Suzukas swords
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Blessing_of_Wisdom
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Trichiliocosm
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>>4734129
You know, that's not a bad idea if it's possible. You mean to ask Shirou or Redman to Trace it based on memories? It should work, given that we've never "seen" Slash Emperor in this life, I guess.

They...shouldn't count as Divine weapons in and of themselves?
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>>4734131
i think it was said by WhatIs that Shirou now knows almost every sword we are aware of
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>>4734132
Then in addition to Suzuka's swords, we should ask for a copy of the Sword of Paracelsus, since it may come in handy due to Orochi having Zolgen's magecraft knowledge. If it's possible to actively use it.
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>>4734129
>Moon Cell mogged by retarded catgirl and her two swords in calculation ability
More like the jobcell.
>>4733808
>>4733314
+1
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>>4734134
Wait fuck I responded to the wrong post
>>4733315
>>4733808

I want to headpat Illya. She hasn't had headpats yet.
Also we should hurry up and ask our daughter for some blood.
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>>4734051
so are we going to have separate vote for actual plan apart from last minute scrying or it is reserved for next update?
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>>4733315
Intercepting the battle.

Send (Anyone who has Divinity)+Shinji+Alitheia

Go after Orochi's main base (Send Servants who don't have Divinity + Medusa with her Divinity sealed+Rin )

Karna and EMIYA on overwatch as far as they can be while still having line of sight and without losing any effectiveness.

Aoko+Touko on their own discretion. Arc with Team Divinity due to not wanting to give Orochi more stuff potentially.

Would this be a general plan for actual team composition? I don't think I remember everyone we have.

I don't know if we should send the Masters closer so they're protected by their Servants, or to leave them and potentially expose them to assassination...
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Alright, here's my updated proposal:

>have Ilya teleport the greekoids here now with a CS
>Quick briefing on Siegfried, Paracelsus and Nero, their strengths and weaknesses. Emphasis on Nero. Insist on the importance of not killing any of them if at all possible, especially Nero.
>Ask Casters if they can quickly cook something up so everyone we can all mentally talk to each other.
>We split into teams:
>>Team Home Defense
>Arcueid, Satsuki, Shirou and Saber stay behind to protect the girls and Medusa's sisters. Satsuki and Shirou have our phone, they are to call us immediately if anything at all happens. Shirou is to call Taiga, she is a Master now.

>>Team Orochi
>Archer, Karna and Alcides open up with a long range barrage demolishing the castle. Karna stays the fuck away and snipes. Archer and Alcides quickly move to the frontline. Archer is on Rule Breaker duty, Alcides is to focus on Orochi.
>The moment anyone sees one of Orochi's Servants they are to attempt diplomacy: We are not their enemy, we do not want to kill them, we will stop fighting the moment they stop fighting, we will pay back anyone who helps us save the world from Orochi. This is mostly so they are ready for Rule Breaker, we don't expect any immediate defections.
>Gorgon and Alcides are to focus on Orochi. Jason will fight together with his pal just to buff him. Alcides is our winning condition, if he chains Orochi it's all over.
>Siel, Sasaki and Shuten hit the Servants with Archer. They are to go for disabling shots. Shuten is to pull bones from people's limbs without killing them. Their objective is to have Archer Rule Breaker all 7 of them and move to assist those fighting Orochi.
>King Mordred is the battlefield commander and mobile reserve. No specific orders for her. She is to user her Insticts to the maximum. Her orders are to be followed without hesitation.

>>Team Air
>Ourselves, Sakura, Medea, Tamamo, Shiki and Morgan ride Alitheia to go check out the battle. Kaleido-Rin is our escort. We will determine whether it's possible to wrap things up quickly there, or if we should ignore it, send Medea, Tamamo, Morgan back home and go after Orochi immediately too.
>We will scry and/or call SHIKI on the way, try to get a fix on Gilgamesh location. I don't see how it would affect the plan in any way though.

>>Aozaki sisters
>They are to do whatever they think is best to help. Billy is to stay with his Master.

The goal is still to have Alcides chain Orochi, have Shiki soulkill the snake but not the worm, and have us confront grandpa for the closure.

Thoughts?
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>>4734143
I forgot about Illya. She stays home too.
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>>4734143
Shirou and Saber stay at home? I imagine Arc would be enough of a home defense by herself, unless we expect an entire team to try for Masters, and then I don't think Saber would help where Arc fails.

Also >Siel

Otherwise seems fine? I just have to question sending Shuten who has some Divinity to Orochi main base but I guess she can just stay away.
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>>4734143
Also, if we go after Orochi, I feel like Morgan can come with, since she has word based Marble Phantasm, but I don't think her fairy heritage counts as Divinity.

I also don't really care for closure and just want to erase Zouken.
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>>4734145
Shirou and Saber are exhausted after they fought off Tesla. They are out of the fight anyway.

You're right, I forgot about Ciel. I'm inclined to send her after Orochi's Servants too, or maybe the snake itself.

Oh, shit, you're right. I forgot about Shuten's Divinity. She's with us on Team Air now.
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>>4734143
>>4734145
guys we should really try those three sword
if it works we'll no sell any kind of magic
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>>4734146
I THINK her magic didn't work either while in his presence, but I'll have to reread that part and work just got somewhat hectic again.

I forgot to mention we confront him WITH SAKURA for the closure. I think she needs it.
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>>4734143
You unironically just forgot our strongest ally.
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>>4734150
If we want to have Blessing of Wisdom/Trichillio traced, we might as well have Sword of Paracelsus too. Moon Cell grade calculation+Quantum computer sword that steals NPs and spell effects?
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>>4734153
uhhhh...Betty?
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>>4734150
I imagine that copying a sword that needs the wisdom of a boddhisattva will be lethal for our two sword boys.
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>>4734153
Lugh? We can't afford to let Orochi take a bite out of him either. I'd just automatically put him with Touko.
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>>4734155
We should wake her up with an airhorn
She needs to start pulling her weight.
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>>4734146
Alright, I rechecked. Morgan wasn't affected by Orochi, it was only Medea and Tamamo. I'd put Morgan with Mordred then.
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>>4734154
thats the third one
them combined or at least two of them at the same time should also be enough for merlin
>>4734156
i dont think the are divine or on the level of slash emperor so they should be fine
Redman should be able to tell us outright if it will work or not
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>>4734164
This setting wanks buddhism hardcore.
It shouldn't be possible to trace unlimited wisdom that's silly.
His brain would melt.
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>>4734132
Does this mean Shirou could also trace Azrael, or is that too esoteric for him?
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>>4734143
Should we wait for the new version of this plan or someone else make one? Cause I think end of vote is coming closer.
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>>4734167
>>4734171
i am not sure where his limit currently is
it is worth to at least ask, Shirou and Redman both did copy a lot bullshit weapons across all nasuverse
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>>4734175
Might as well ask him if he believes he can Trace them, and if it isn't sure then just don't do it.

Buddhism swords, Paracelsus sword and Azrael?
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>>4734174
Working from home has its advantages, like being able to follow this quest, but it does mean I occasionally need to, well, actually work. I'll update and submit shortly if there's nothing else to be updated.
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>>4734177
yeah lets go for it that way
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>>4733315
Switching >>4733990 to:

>have Ilya teleport the greekoids here now with a CS
>Quick briefing on Siegfried, Paracelsus and Nero, their strengths and weaknesses. Emphasis on Nero. Insist on the importance of not killing any of them if at all possible, especially Nero.
>Ask Casters if they can quickly cook something up so we can all mentally talk to each other.

>We split into teams:
>>Team Home Defense
>Arcueid, Satsuki, Illya, Shirou and Saber stay behind to protect the girls and Medusa's sisters. Satsuki and Shirou have our phone, they are to call us or Sakura immediately if anything at all happens. Shirou is to call Taiga, she is a Master now.

>>Team Orochi
>Archer, Karna and Alcides open up with a long range barrage demolishing the castle. Karna stays the fuck away and snipes, trying not to kill any Servants. Archer and Alcides quickly move to the frontline. Archer is on Rule Breaker duty, Alcides is to focus on Orochi.
>The moment anyone sees one of Orochi's Servants they are to attempt diplomacy: We are not their enemy, we do not want to kill them, we will stop fighting the moment they stop fighting, we will pay back anyone who helps us save the world from Orochi. This is mostly so they are ready for Rule Breaker, we don't expect any immediate defections.
>Gorgon and Alcides are to focus on Orochi. Jason will fight together with his pal just to buff him. Alcides is our winning condition, if he chains Orochi it's all over.
>Ciel and Sasaki hit the Servants with Archer. They are to go for disabling shots. Their objective is to have Archer Rule Breaker all seven of them and move to assist those fighting Orochi.
>King Mordred is the battlefield commander and mobile reserve. No specific orders for her. She is to user her Insticts to the maximum. Her orders are to be followed without hesitation.
>Morgan is with Mordred.

>>Team Air
>Ourselves, Sakura, Medea, Tamamo, Shiki and Shuten ride Alitheia to go check out the battle. Kaleido-Rin is our escort. We will determine whether it's possible to wrap things up quickly there, or if we should ignore it, send Medea and Tamamo back home and go after Orochi immediately too.
>We will scry and/or call SHIKI on the way, try to get a fix on Gilgamesh location. I don't see how it would affect the plan in any way though.

>>Aozaki sisters
>They are to do whatever they think is best to help.
>Billy is to stay with his Master.
>Lugh is with Touko.

The goal is still to have Alcides chain Orochi, have Shiki soulkill the snake but not the worm, and have us confront grandpa with Sakura for the closure. I opted not to call or scry Waver assuming we'll meet him in the Servant battle. We can try contacting him then if not. I think that covers just about everything.
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>>4733315
>>4734183
+1
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>>4733315

Assuming this write-in isn't too much for a single update, I'm gonna switch >>4733808

to

>>4734183

Have fun tracking this WhatIs, a heap of people also supported my earlier write-in without also linking to your post.
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>>4734183
Jesus chirst we have megaminds planning this. Changing to this
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>>4734188
Fate brings out the most powerful of autism. It's also a very long running franchise with really early ties to 4chan as a whole.
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>>4734183
support this + sword tracing
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>>4734188
It would help WhatIs counting if you linked his original prompt and your old post when changing votes.

>>4734190
Yep, pretty much.
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>>4734192
Too hard from phone
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>>4733315
>>4734183
Support.
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>>4733315
Supporting this>>4734183
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Should we gift Morgan a garden statue or feed Sakura and as a result Tiamat this faggot half-incubus?
Tiamat will try to eat the people trapped in Gay Baby Jail with her, right?
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>>4733315

>>4733408
>>4733868
Dont count these two


>>4734188
Count this
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>>4734202
Garden statue for Morgan. If Merlin dies he just goes back to Avalon but Cybele just locks him in forever.
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guys remember that merlin has his shitty teleportation trick he used on us last time
either take that NP bracer or ask about swords copy paste to prevent merlin from doing whatever the fuck he planning
those swords would give is analog of our rainbow mystic eyes we missed two times already
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>>4733315
>>4734183
Support
>>4734202
Does Sakura get stronger when she eats people? I know she got stronger because that guy was connected to Tiamat, but does she get a boost if she eats servants or powerful magi?
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>>4734204
We will give him ONE CHANCE to explain. And "you might become a Beast in the future" or "You fucked with prophecy" are not acceptable answers.
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>>4734205
The risk is we leave it on and can't emergency teleport away from danger though. Fucked either way. Bring with, leave in pocket, equip when Merlin in sight is probably the best bet
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>>4733315
Changing from
>>4734186
To
>>4734183
+Asking Shirou if he thinks he can Trace Blessing of Wisdom, Trichiliocosm, Sword of Paracelsus or Azrael. Blessing and Trichilio for gigabrain, Paracelsus to stalemate actual Para or to hijack NPs and magic, Azrael for backup MeoDP. If he's not sure don't try it just in case.
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>>4734206
Well I'm betting that she might be able to Chaos Tide summon anybody she eats and digests.
So feeding her magi is super useful for us.
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>>4734213
Technically Sakura with control of Tiamat could get single drop of Chaos Tide on a target and it would immediately begin to rewrite them on a sub-cellular level with an absolute Amino-geas and render their entire form and mind under her control
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>>4734219
If Merlin is after us because of Sakura I vote we turn him into a garden gnome before he even finishes his sentence.
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>>4734223
That would be pretty retarded since he managed to reform Cath Palug but I can see it from him.
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>>4734223
Truth bubble/pokeball into Cybele
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Does Gilgamesh know Tiamat is within Sakura? Don't want to find out the wrong time
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>>4734224
Isn't Cath currently Altrouge's pet Murder?

>>4734226
We didn't tell him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know necessarily.
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>will eat anybody who hurts us
>hugs on demand
>huge booba and ass
>has lewd dreams about us
>guaranteed to have many kids
>a single kiss will probably make her fuck us there and then
>can make us an army.
>can corrupt enemies into her slaves
>is obsessed with us
Best girl?
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When is Shinji going to 1v1 Merlin while having an anime convo about how similar each other are, both of them making big speeches and ranting and being madmen together, then both resort to hand-to-hand combat as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAPgPH9hsI blasts loud across the battlefield? And every single character is watching?
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>>4734228
I mean in some worldlines, like where Dead Apostle Ancestors aren't a thing.
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>>4734226
Gil has an uncanny ability to instantly appraise anything and anyone he looks at even with Sha Naqba Imuru sealed
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>>4734230
Hosting Tiamat did bring Sakura up from bottom tier in my eyes into respectable upper tier. Sea of Genesis is based
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>>4734231
Merlin is a physical juggernaut, it won't be an easy win in a fistfight. He trained and is more skilled than Artoria in swordplay.

Kino Truth Blade vs Excalibur duel though
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>>4734230
You did not mention her smile, but yes. I've been telling you all she's best girl from the beginning.

>>4734232
In our timeline DAAs are a thing, and we met Altrouge with her pet dog.
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Bad End where Sakura uses the Chaos Tide to absorb and corrupt the entire harem into Sakura versions of themselves when?
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>>4734240
Now that's a Carnival idea.
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>>4734231
B Strength D Agility and E Endurance.

Buffs from Morgan and Medea would eclipse him though I imagine.

>>4734238
sneed

>>4734240
Incest Haremchad Good End where Sakura uses the Chaos Tide to absorb and corrupt the entire harem into Sakura versions of themselves when?*
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>>4734240
BB will probably whisper ideas like this into her ear.
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>>4734244
Chaos Tide+Arc=¿?
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>>4734183
>>4733315
Support. Time to teach futamancer that we're not to be fucked with.
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>>4734248

Sakuratype Earth?

If Arc is technically born of Tiamat it works, otherwise she gets some yucky canceraids goo on her dress.
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>>4734183
+1
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>>4734250
Arc isn't born of Tiamat. As an Incarnated Nature Spirit/fairy, she is like an application of the 3rd Magic would be, a soul that itself acts as a body. Without the more broken aspectsbof the 3rd. Thanks Planet.
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>>4733705
Temple-Emiya should be 5km according to that jogging calculation, not 10km.
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>>4734240
Yknow we should keep an eye on her furhter phsyical changes if having Tiamom in her for like one week tops already gave her thicc upgrades

She might start getting matching horns wiht Alitheia
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>>4734255
That would be good.
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>>4734248
One satisfied Sakura and one tasty True Ancestor.
Nrvnqsr almost absorbed and made Arc a part of him with his shitty degraded version of Tiamat's mud.
Shiki needed to save her.
Sakura probably becomes an Ultimate One.
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>>4734258
Arcueid is based. We need to feed Altrouge to Sakura.
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>>4734230
I always go for the childhood friend, so Sakura was always best girl.
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>>4734260
Have to agree with this.
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>>4734260
por qué no los dos?
Sakura will still be able to summon Chaos Tide versions of both of them.
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>>4734261
Based Sakurafriend.
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>>4734261
But what about Sacchin?
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>>4734272
I mean, I like her too, she's the second I like most.
It's hard not to root for the girls that loved the guy for years, especially in their cases, in which he's the one light in their otherwise awful lives.
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>>4734275
Imagine rooting for a limited amount of people. Pfffft.
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Who's the most cute and funny servant we have?
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>>4734276
Imagine not just rooting for Sakura to swallow the competition and corrupt them all into more Sakura.
Monogamychads... we win.
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>>4734272
I would have preferred being with her or Arc. But our commitment with Sakura and Medea makes my own personal preferences impossible outside of harem route. Sakura and Medea are good women, and are beautiful in their own right and I don't mind that our Shinji ended up with them mostly. But they are not my personal preference.
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>>4734278
Cursed.
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>>4734277
Our cute Evil Witch, no contest.
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>>4734280
Arc is based. Harem dream lives.
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>>4734278
Based vore anon.
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>>4734275
If you'd asked me before the war, I'd say Satsuki is second for me two. But Medea has recently overtaken, so I'd put Satsuki as #3 behind the two mothers of our daughter.
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>>4734281
Why yes, I think the sea of life does use curses.
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>>4734275
>cases, in which he's the one light in their otherwise awful lives.
most of current harem
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>Sakura turns all life on Earth into Sakura
>we meet Alaya again desperate to escape the timeline
>it's just Sakura
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>>4734289
I am actually not so sure about that. Curses are basically ideation that warp things by its intensity. Also, how the fuck doesn't Medea have a very high Divinity if she has 0 human parents/grandparents and Divine Words needs godly parentage.
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>>4734295
ask Nyarl for help
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>>4734296
If that was her previous boob size was picimagine it growing by 1.5x size and her curvy ass becomes more pronounced. How can an Asian woman have such big boobs and ass anons?
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>>4734301
>Raikou
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>>4734301
She got all the good genes from Aoi.
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>>4734302
Speaking of RaiCow, we should summon her to let Shuten and Ibaraki eat her.
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>>4734304
no
with all those children somebody will be required to provide extra milk for all of them
it will be her
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>>4734305
The Japanese people are lactose intolerant.
A fat cow like her is only fit to be slaughtered.
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>>4734298
>it’s BB who succeeded at suborning him
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>>4734310
it is because stupid japs do not drink milk
it is the reason why they are so short
do youvwant your son to be manlet?
>>4734313
God will help us
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>>4734314
God is now Sakura.
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>>4734316
perma taiga dojo vacation it is
or WhatIs will just save us himself
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>>4734316
>Look at QM's name
>WhatIsASakura
>Dead End
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>>4734323
>Look at board name
>/qst/ is now /sakura/
>Win
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Where’s the fox by the way? He is kept safe by Tamamo yes?
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Other than Sakura voring the universe if we reject her, what other bad ends can we expect from refusing to fuck the girls after our dick?
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>>4734325
We need to find out what the fox's deal is at some point. A normal animal can not be a Master, let alone a Master of four-tailed Tamamo.
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>>4734323
False. Its:
>SAKURA END

>Sakura Dojo Scene
Sakura: Ufufufu, Onii-chan did you really think you could escape me? I'm your only choice at this point. Especially if I am the writer of this story.

BB: W-What about me?

Sakura: Just be glad that you're not ME at this point imouto. You don't want to end up like all of the hussies that are now inside of my belly do you?

BB: *gulp* A-Anyways, I think this Sakura dojo's advice is obvious. Sakura is the only choice.

Sakura: That's right! Now let's get married Onii-chan!
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>>4734329
Probably some sort of magic beast or something.
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Why did we seduce so many terrifying women anyway?
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>>4734334
Why not?

It was an accident, I swear.
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>>4734326
9-Tails Tamamo incarnating into Amaterasu who is Solar System level or so, independent of the time axis and a chief sun god. Arc on the moon is like the only one stated to have a non-insignificant chance of defeating Ama, and thats due to Arc having some weird advantage on the moon and Authority bullshit.

Sacchin is retarded high potential in general and as a DA is predisposed to going murder crazy. Arc is the highest fairy and closest to being Archetype Earth or Crimson Moon. Medea is a better Caster than Circe and highly dangerous. Gorgon is self explanatory.
Shuten was probably some kind of Kishin/Oni God going by the Divinity and is super strong still. Mordred is actual immortal chosen by Caliburn Once and Future King and was raised by Morgan.

Touko recreated runecraft as an art and could patent to the Clocktower, she recreated the runestones of the giants of Scandinavia (who are probably based on Velber like Valkyries), which boost runes by 1,000,000% literally.
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>>4734334
Because we couldn't choose one. We also kept giving mixed messages to women who read into everything too deeply.
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>type in 4chan.org
>autocorrects to 4sakura.org
>win
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>>4734334
We were honestly just being nice when it seemed they needed it. And given the source material they needed aplenty.
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>>4734350
rip
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>>4734350
If he's following the write-in it's gonna be an absolute monster of an update.
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>>4734350
Isekai got him.
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>>4734336
Jesus we really are fucked.
>>4734337
Well now we'll either get them all or we can all be absorbed together inside Sakura.
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>>4734350
Sakura ate him.
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>>4734350
Sakura absorbed him.
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>>4734350
Sakura IS him
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>>4734350
Sakura sexed him
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>>4734350
Counter Jannies got him.
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Shit!
Where's the popularity poll?
We need to make Sakura #1 now!
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>>4733315
>>4733572
Jesus hope its not too late to switch. Swapping over to >>4734183 this
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>>4734365
Even though I'm a Sakurafag, I wouldn't want to samefag the poll. I'm happy that the two mothers of our daughter got the two first places, and that our daughters were that high and with equal votes. And I'm sure people will naturally appreciate our sisterwife more and more as time goes by and we interact more with her.
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>>4734369
In general for me, Dark Sakura>Sakura and I don't really like normal Sakura at all, so I'm hoping some Tiamat influence will rub off on her
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Can we convince Sakura not to eat the harem/QM with headpats?
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>>4734372
no
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>>4734372
She's definitely not pushover Salura anymore.
She's got bigger booba than non-Gorgon Medusa and threw BB into a wall for making us molest her.
I can't wait for Sakura to meet her first Enforcers looking to Sealing Designation us.
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>>4734372
I don't see them as different characters. Dark Sakura is the repressed dark side of Sakura, all the despair and anger from her years of worm torture, just waiting for the right trigger to surface. Remember how she dealt with BB?

>>4734373
No.
A kiss would probably work though.
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>>4734314
>>4734316
At that point I would love yandere sisterwife out of pure respect for such feat.
>>4733315
Switching too
From >>4733846 to supporting >>4734183
With
>+Asking Shirou if he thinks he can Trace Blessing of Wisdom, Trichiliocosm, Sword of Paracelsus or Azrael. Blessing and Trichilio for gigabrain, Paracelsus to stalemate actual Para or to hijack NPs and magic, Azrael for backup MeoDP. If he's not sure don't try it just in case.
And taking
>Unnamed Noble Phantasm : C-rank (C+++ rank) Anti-Spatial Interference Noble Phantasm
>A Noble Phantasm given to you by Gilgamesh, when activated through the use of spacial interference magic on the wielder, anything from teleportation to attempting to drag the wearer to a world outside of Gaia, it will activate and cover an area with a radius of a kilometer with a bounded field preventing the usage of any any all forms of spatial interference.
In addition, this Noble Phantasm is part of a set of two, the power of the bounded field is considerably increased when both are worn by two separate people. The only exceptions to the bounded field's ability to deny spatial interference are the wearers of this Noble Phantasm. When the two are together, even True Magic should be blocked.
this thing with us too.
Hope letting Arc stay behind pays off.
>>4734350
Adjusting himself to roleplay as Sakura now.
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>>4734365
Made a new poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/42919401
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>>4734372
If we don't see Yandere Dark Sakura at some point I'll be quite dissapointed.
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>>4734375
Pictured: Sakura holding an Enforcer.
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>>4734376
Tiamat Sakura is far more powerful than Dark Sakura.
She'd probably just eat Dark Sakura if they ever met.
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>>4734388
I'm talking personality, not powers.
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>>4734386
The bread would not even be in her hand, it would be in her stomach screaming for help and sloshing around in the vore world while Tiamat watches in amusement until he is quickly digested in 5 seconds. Yummy.
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>>4734380
Would she have white hair and red eyes or would she have the full Tiamat color scheme?
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>>4734372
>>4734380
I am neutral on normal Sakura myself.
But Tiamat really raised her in the ranks for me.
I hope we get to see monster girl Tiamat Sakura terrifying everyone and everything but still really nice to us. And Alítheia.
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>>4734394
Based.
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>>4734389
Yeah. I know, our Sakura still has those repressed emotions but also tremendous love for us.
It's why if she goes Dark/Tiamat mode she'll probably be controllable. If prone to "accidentally" eating our female allies.
>>4734391
Sakura is Neo-Camelot's official magus/executor disposal unit.
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>>4734398
Tiamat kinda just loves all life but kinda went crazy due to isolation and her presence killing what she loves afaik.
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>>4734400
Its a good thing Tiamat is living vicariously through our imoutou isn't it? Making Sakura get bigger boobs and ass is a free bonus.
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>>4734400
Which is why she'll have the time of her life while living vicariously through Sakura. We just need to give her a large family to dote over.
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>>4734400
I hope she's having a nice time inside Sakura.
Tiamat Mode Sakura will almost certainly act more like a yandere anyway.
All that power.
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>>4734400
>>4734401
>>4734402
Final Solution for Harem is Tiamat-Sakura setting up rules and regime for everyone. Somebody breaking the rules? Vore prison.
She also solves the virginity question herself and let Medusa and Medea partake in the first time too out of sense of gratitude for them.
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>>4734404
Tiamat has 7 Magic Cores/Mana Furnaces that each output like a Grail. All that power is right.
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>>4734408
I think we're nearing the time of the first real kiss. Can you think of a better moment than over Zouken's corpse right after we've killed a god and saved the world from him?
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>>4734412
First real kiss, huh? Maybe if we're speaking of Sakura only.
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>>4734415
That is what I meant, yes. First kiss with our sisterwife.
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>>4734415
Otherwise I can't think of non-real kiss,
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We should start tallying kisses/hugs/accidental molestations/ etc. with girls.
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>>4734426
They will turn the tables, you know?
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>>4734426
>kisses
Shuten: 2. Distraction + Contract
Medea: 2. Contract + Jealousy over Shuten
No other romantic kisses, iirc

>hugs
We've been so liberal with hugging emotionally distraught girls that it'd take a full reread while keeping notes to count. Same for headpats.

>accidental molestations
None. Yet.
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>>4734431
>None. Yet.
Didn't BB make us grope her?
Also I feel like I remember at least one accidental pervert fall on someone.
Also Medusa gave us a lap pillow.
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>>4734436
Ah, you're right. I forgot about those. And I don't remember the accidental pervert fall, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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>>4734436
You are probably thinking about scene with Monica.
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>>4734441
>>4734442
Arc accidentally smothered our face with her tits when she leaped at Morgan and we blocked her, I think.
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>>4734431
Shinji kissed monica
BB made him grope her.

Does anyone know if it's possible to steal Altroges power using her bloodline connection to Satsuki? I remember Shinji thinking he could use it to kill her but I want to take a step beyond.
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>>4734454
Maybe Tamamo can do something? She has Cursecraft EX and bloodline /family curses are an archetypical thing. Otherwise try switching their 1st and 3rd Aspects, corpus and soul, without switching their Psyche? DA have their soul connect to their entire body instead of brain
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>>4734454
>Does anyone know if it's possible to steal Altroges power using her bloodline connection to Satsuki? I remember Shinji thinking he could use it to kill her but I want to take a step beyond.
I recall the idea was to use that connection to make Satsuki take control of Altrouge. Flipping over normal vampire hierarchy upside down.
>>4734457
Flat could try to do something about it too. But that`s rather dangerous.
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>>4734460
Actually, if its a tangible connection, could the Sword of Paracelsus suborn it?
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>>4734461
We have experience mangling with Servant-Master contracts too.
We should just check it after we are done with War. Maybe get Tamamo or Flat to help.
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>>4734463
We have experience messing with root connections as well. This got me thinking we should learn the matou magecraft. It's absorbation and binding. It'll probably help with this and truth as an offensive weapon.
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For such a popular quest you'd think that we'd have all the archived threads in SupTG go golden.
Especially when other quests that are much less popular manage it.
Is it just because autists samefag the suptg vote system for their favourites?
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>>4734472
We still have Zouken`s books we never touched. They should have something on command spells.
With so many Casters and Touko we could try binding her like that. From a far. And using it to teleport her to us.
Devious.
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>>4734474
Yes
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>>4734492
oh no
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>>4734492
Cute.
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>>4734492
..........this can’t be good.
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>>4734358
>>4734492
Based and cute. Sakura Dojo when?
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>>4734493
>>4734495
>>4734498
>>4734501
What are you anons talking about? Anyway, I need to tally these votes now, right?
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>>4734492
What the actual fuck?
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>>4734506
nah, you could just abandon the quest and contract a terminal disease
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>>4734510
Not a disease, just a case of the Worms
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>>4734507
I was doing a bit, I found the discussion amusing.
>>4734510
Hmm...
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But anyway, I've had a busy morning and...
Oh my God, tallying this is going to be a complete nightmare.
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>>4734517
How cruel you were with a Servant selection for Merlin`s pawns aka Waver`s group?
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>>4734514
Almost gave me a heart attack.

>>4734517
Have fun you jerk!
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>>4734517
Terminal illness is starting to look more appealing. isn't it?
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>>4734518
For Servant Selection in general, who would you describe as 'cruel' to you all?
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>>4734517
This is all part of Sakura's 4d chess move to make sure only she gets Shinji in the end.
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>>4734522
Summoning Enkidu to be used as a last ditch effort to vaporize us all with Enuma Elish. I don't know if Gil has the gall to kill his own friend since the only thing he doesn't despise on this planet is Ayaka. That thot Ishtar will possess Rin as a side effect of Merlin being a douchebag. That's the cruelest thing Merlin could do that would be unforgivable to me.
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>>4734523
She's not even going to share with Medusa?
What a greedy girl.
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>>4734522
Waver`s group got all the mythological enemies of our group? Perseus, Raikou and so on.
Perhaps anti-dragon Archer who will be really "smart" and end up hurting Alítheia gifting the World Tiamat-Sakura and Beast 999/Demiurge Shinji.
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>>4734522
Zouken could summon Fafnir using Siegfried, right? Especially because Rheingold Grail lul.
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>>4734529
Man i've been dreaming at the chance for the enemies of everyone to be summoned after Jason was summoned, plus Perseus is based and i really wanna see how we would interact with him. He's not like Jason where he's a piece of fucking garbage, he's actually a good person that had good reason to kill the Gorgon
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>>4734533
We have Sasaki and this lad.
I am not sure Fafnir will be of any use to Wormpa.
>>4734535
If Merlin groomed them a bit they might just start blasting at us right away.
Really bad for diplomacy.
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Hey anons...instead of Nero, this might be Hannibal
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>>4734540
We just need to contact Waver and it's over for Merlin if he did that. He can't keep us apart for ever. We will not allow it.
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>>4734542
Only Hannibal was in Requiem iirc, and he didnt look like this I think?
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>>4734542
I think if it's Nero then it's starting to feel like QM is adding the rivals/enemies/equals of the current servants, Nero would kinda cement it, might end up seeing Enkidu, Perseus and Raikou
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>>4734555
Who's Nero's enemy?
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>>4734547
Blonde, wears red, loud and it fits iirc.
We’ve seen with wukong that we aren’t limited to seeing just main fate works. Requiem might be on the table too
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>>4734557
You
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>>4734555
How does Nero count as a rival?
Does being the original funny Saberface make her Mordred's rival?
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>>4734558
>Hannibal is a muscular middle-aged man with a lush beard and stout, hairy arms. He is dressed in traditional battle garments and has a sheathed blade at his belt.
Is the wiki wrong on Hannibal?
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So who are we playing as for Orochi team fight?
Mordred?
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>>4734557
>>4734561
Tamamo
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>>4734563
No one, I hope. We are Shinji, not anyone else. We have to trust our allies and our King.
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>>4734565
Didn't someone say Nero wrangled Tamamo into being part of a harem in extra?
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>>4734570
Yes, they were right, she’s good at wrangling, also she likes harems as long as she gets to have fun with them too
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>>4734573
How are they enemies then?
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>>4734565
I don't think a rivalry that hasn't happened yet in an alternate timeline counts as the context for that rivalry doesn't exist and now can't exist anywhere on this Time Tree.
>>4734570
That is what he's referring to, but that line of thinking makes even less sense than her being here to challenge Mordred to a Highlander style deathmatch to determine which comic relief saberface should be allowed to live on.
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Now that Requiem was brought up, I wonder if Orochi is gonna summon Izanami.
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>>4734183
You know, for fear of miscounting for the 4th time and deleting my tally, I'm just going to ask.
Does anybody have any issues with this plan?
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>>4734575
Nah, it definitely counts

>>4734577
I skimmed through and I think they didn't add in calling/scrying for Waver? That's my only problem
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>>4734577
Nope, its the most thought out one. It also addresses the concern of not having GIl involved by at least scrying/calling SHIKI so we have a chance of getting Eiyuu Ou involved.

I hope Ayaka and Gil encountered Cu and already purified/contracted with him. She needs to be able to shine more since she's just as much of a protagonist as Shirou or Shiki is.
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>>4734576
If he starts going for his natives he will run into some real problems eventually.
>>4734577
I like it and extra option with swords and Gil`s gift.
And thats the only real plan we have anyway.
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>>4734577
Nope.
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>>4734582
Poor Bazett.
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>>4734582
I really think you're overestimating Ayaka's control over Gil
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Ayaka was able to keep teen-GIl from curb stomping her other love interests in Prototype, I don't see why it would be any different in our timeline. Besides, its either she saves Cu or he disappears when Manaka is defeated since God wants us to go fast for some reason.
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>>4734588
Whoops don't know why the reply didn't attach, aw well. Have an Aya as compensation.
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>>4734562
Very wrong. Check again, the Fate requiem Hannibal has blonde fluffy hair
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>>4734592
Proto Gil and Gilgamesh are two different people
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>>4734596
Yet the glasses trick worked?
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>>4734598
Just because he got horny over Ayaka doesn't mean he's gonna act the exact same like Proto Gil
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>>4734594
>>4734562
I’m a blithering retard, I meant fate Alternative, my bad anon
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>>4734601
Hey man, I don't know what you want to hear from me. I just hope that Ayaka saved Cu somehow.
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>>4734609
I hope Bazett gets her happy ending with Cu.
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>>4734614
Cu is gonna keep fucking around so i doubt it
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We also should stop pic related from becoming a lewd nun after the war ends.
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>>4734625
Yep, that's one of the plans we've agreed on post-war. We might even end up adopting her too.
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>>4734625
yeah
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>>4734625
Yes.
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>>4734625
new daughter
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>>4734625
It's too late to prevent her from becoming lewd.
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>>4734631
no its not, if this follows the FGO Kiara, she doesn't become a lewd nun, if this follows the Extra route, i think she's a baby or a sick child still
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>>4734625
You know, the fact Shinji is a virgin when surrounded by women who love him, along with all the little girls we're adopting... might give some people the wrong idea.
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>>4734625
Since the cult shes at technically worships Tamamo due to syncretism stuff, she can probably help us find her..
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>>4734631
She's far better as a doctor than as a nun.

>>4734638
Unless I'm miscounting years, it should some time before she's saved in the FGO timeline.
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>>4734640
What, that he's one of those celibate magi that never coom in an effort to cultivate greater prana?
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>>4734644
either way, she either saves herself or we have enough time to save her ourselves
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>>4734649
She didn't save herself in any timeline. An unnamed doctor did. We will be that doctor.
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>>4734641
Looks like Fox Wife has opportunity to do solid power move here.
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>>4734650
that had to be Romani
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>>4734651
Quoting a mats translation;

"Through the combination of these three kinds of thoughts and methods the Tachikawa Sect considered the unification of “Dakini = Dainichi Buddha [Vairocana] = Amaterasu Oomikami” to be the ultimate goal...
…Uhhh Cas-ko-san, it seems like your followers are pretty wack… is everything gonna be all right…? "
Looks pretty clear now that I've looked up the wording.
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>>4734655
Fox wife will get a new daughter.
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>>4734653
IIRC that doctor was hinted to be twice. Since there was no major wars in the fgo timeline twice didn't die and thus was able to save her. Speaking of twice if he is alive in this timeline then we won't have to save hakunos since he can do his job this time.
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Update on way, it's not got the entire plan in it just yet, because a small choice appeared, but the rest of the plan will still apply for the next update.
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>>4734664
________________________________Neat.
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>>4734664
Excellent. Is following my autistic write-in the single biggest update in the Quest?
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>>4734664
>either somebody got great idea upon hearing about enemy Servants or sword autism was included and worked
Hoping for something cool.
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are we gonna buy Olga and the Emiya crest after this is all over by the way?
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>>4734667
It would've been had I just written out the entire thing right now, but I thought you might like a chance to make a decision.
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"OK, first things first, Illya, I'm going to need to ask you to use some of your Command Spells to bring Alcides and Jason here immediately. Explain to the two of them through the mental link that there is no time for them to complete the work on the Argo, and that we are going to need them to aid us in our attack."

"OK, give me a few moments." Illya's eyes glass over a small amount as she starts to speak with her two Servants before the hundreds of patterns on her skin suddenly start glowing a bright red. "With the power of my command spells, Avenger, Lancer, come to me!" In a flash, Alcides and Jason have appeared, and Medea has something of a sneer on her face as she looks at the newly arrived Lancer, who awkwardly looks in the direction of the woman, before he hides behind Alcides... Typical.

"Thank you, Illya." You thank Illya for her cooperation, before your attention is drawn to the door opening, and Shuten entering with a large entourage of people. Everyone with the exception of Betty, Abby, and Medusa's Sisters enters the room, and things get... just a little bit cramped as they do. Even Saber and Shirou enter, you thought that they'd be resting, but whatever, it's good that they are here, after all, you wouldn't want them to skip out on being told of their role in your plan, limited though it might be as a result of the two expending a great deal of their magical energy in preventing those magnetism based attacks from wiping all of you out. "Apologies for the sudden change of plans, but... the situation has changed, everyone. We are moments away from a massive battle between multiple factions occurring in the Fuyuki Forest, and this is the sort of thing that cannot be ignored." You had mostly managed to avoid engaging in actual armed conflict up to this point, but this forest will be like an actual war-zone with so many Servants battling at once.

"So, we're going to drop in on them by surprise and flank them? A tried and true strategy, and one that should work flawlessly, advisor." Mordred has her arms crossed as she looks at you.
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>>4734664
Gambare Sakura, onii-chan believes in you!
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"You'd think so, but underestimating our opponents here is dangerous. Merlin is opposing us, and for some reason is blocking the ability of Medea to scry upon the actual battlefield. Right now, our only way to know just what is going on is this magical energy map, which gives us the location and rough amount of power each of the enemy Servants has. Some of the lights are brighter than the other, but the brightest light of all belongs to Orochi there." You point at the castle, you don't know just what Orochi is up to, but it can't be good. If he's summoned Servants, then that means he's preoccupied with something and can't afford any distractions like... well like what's going on right now. Did he foresee something like this happening, or was he simply worried about your own counter attack? You don't know just how much the snake worm bastard knows about what's actually going on, annoyingly enough. "Anyway, I have some information I need to share with you all about some of Yamata-no-Orochi's Servants. From what I deduced based on their described appearances, it sounds like we're up against at least Siegfried, Paracelcus and Emperor Nero. Siegfried is... self-explanatory, if you've heard the tale. He's a powerful Saber with a Noble Phantasm that grants invulnerability with a weak-point on his back, in addition to the magical dragon-slaying sword, Balmung. He's a powerful Saber, and not one that should be underestimated. Balmung has the ability to project a great deal of energy through its true activation." You clear your throat. "Moving on to Paracelcus, as a Caster, he's inferior to our three Casters here, but his true power lies in his Noble Phantasm, the Sword of Paracelcus, it can simulate True Ether from the Age of Gods in order to create a powerful beam of energy to destroy anything in it's path, similarly to Balmung, however, it has a secondary function, the Sword of Paracelcus has the ability to snatch power away from others in order to make it his own, if you enter into battle with him and diplomacy is impossible, annihilate him immediately." You sigh. "As for the final Servant, I... am not quite sure on her capabilities, but the Emperor Nero is a powerful Servant, and being a Berserker has likely made her even more powerful than it normally would." Honestly, Berserker seems to be a far more fitting class for somebody like Nero anyway.

"Well, at least that's some info to go off of." EMIYA stretches. "A Saber with a weak point on his back, huh?" The Counter Guardian smirks. "Yeah, I think I've got just the thing to deal with somebody like Siegfried." He's probably talking about Hrunting. Archer's ability to command the projectile even after it has been fired will mean that it will be far easier to hit the powerful Saber in the back, but again, hopefully, you'll be able to go about things diplomatically, though it is probably just a little bit unlikely that you'll be able to talk your way through this.
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>>4734670
>buy Olga
Depends on her relationship with her father. If he abandoned her like he did in the Case Files than sure.

>Emiya crest
Why? We'll just fix Kiritsugu up.

>>4734671
Nice
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"Anyway, Morgan, Medea, Tamamo... Can I ask if you three can quickly create something that will allow everyone here to telepathically contact one another should they be required to? Sort of like an... Emergency Channel, not something to be used for perfect communication with each other." You understand that something like a telepathic system in which everyone can speak to each other at any time and only be heard by their own choice of people would take far far too long to create when you're already incredibly tight for time.

"I can do something like that!" Tamamo quickly reveals, but then a sly smirk appears on her face. "But... If you want me to make something like that for you, then you're going to have to give me a gift in return..." She looks at you suggestively. Medea looks at the fox woman in irritation, and the rest of the room just sort of look kind of confused, except Morgan, who just doesn't look like she cares.

>"Never mind then, Medea, Morgan, can you accomplish something like what I'm after?"
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
>"If you want a gift, how about... (What?)"
>Write-in...
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>>4734679
"If you want a gift, how about... (What?)"
Isn't me taking in our fox pup as my own child enough?
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>>4734679
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"

Sold.
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>>4734679
>"A promise to save little girl who was forced to join heinous cult which twisted worship of Amaterasu Oomikami. And wipe them of this planet. And give said girl happy future."
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>>4734679
>>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
Fox Wife
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>>4734678
MA got most of the Emiya crest, Natalia just managed to bargain for him to get some back

>>4734679
>>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
Eh, we're probably gonna die a lot so why not
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>>4734679
>If you want a gift, how about...
>Use Truth to imbue either her core or tails with True Divinity.
Jumpstarting her further closer to her incarnation of Amaterasu should be gift enough, right?
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>>4734679
>"This is not the time, Tamamo. Do I have to remind you what happened last time we faced Orochi?"
>"But if you don't want to help, never mind then. Medea, Morgan, can you accomplish something like what I'm after?"

>>4734687
We can Truth heal damaged crests. We don't need them.
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>>4734679
>>"If you want a gift, how about... (What?)"
Tofu. Give/promise her tofu.
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>>4734685
I really should have reread how I wrote it.
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>>4734689
Actually she doesnt want to become Amaterasu, afaik. Otherwise she could just get all her tails back, but she is freer and more her own person instead of an Ama terminal this way. Someone correct me if I misremember.
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>>4734681
>Fox's Wedding: A+++
A modified version of the Item Construction skill, by calling upon her nature as a goddess, Caster can bless items with all sorts of different effects. Though only on the condition that she is given a gift in return.
A reminder of her specialized Item Construction skill.
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>>4734679
changing >>4734689
to >>4734690
We already saved her life earlier. She's repaying the favor.
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>>4734689
anon, for the love of God, please don't vote to turn Tamamo into an Evil of Humanity

>>4734690
its not damaged, its literally just incomplete, most of it is missing because the MA has it
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>>4734681
Changing to ask what'd she like. Take it to another room.
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>>4734679
>>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
Voting to spite the autism anons. Just kidding mostly, unless a better vote comes up kiss it is.
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>>4734679
Changing
>>4734684
To
>>4734691
And
>>4734685
Without calling the Dakini cult heinous, just their practices. Maybe let her refom them instead of wiping them.
Myth foxes love tofu. And it satisfies the Item Creation.
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>>4734679
>>"Would a HEADPAT be enough of a gift?"
we can kiss her later
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>>4734679
Switching >>4734690 to
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
>Quick kiss on the cheek.

>>4734694
Oh, damn. Did not think of that.
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>>4734694
pretty sure QM is subtly implying that Fox's Wedding won't take effect UNLESS we give her a gift and we give her one now
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>>4734679
change >>4734700
to
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
>if medea gets annoyed kiss her too
Fuck this, lets kiss all the girls.
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>>4734679
Adding tofu and some better wording to >>4734685 as Anon here >>4734699 said.
Time to add Kiara to the story for post-War.
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>>4734707
Reminder that Sakura is in the room, and she has not seen us kiss anyone yet.
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>>4734679
>>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
Shinji’s gonna have to kiss his whole harem at least once before the war ends, might as well give Tamamo her’s now
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>>4734709
then we kiss her too.
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Imagine having a billionaire husband and all he cares to give you is tofu and vague promises about shit you don't know about.
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Are her tails big enough to wrap us up so everyone won't see us kiss her?
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>>4734709
kiss her too then
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>>4734707
>>4734709
Let's just kiss everyone
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>>4734715
Her tails represents the number of kids she expects us to pump into her anon, nothing more.
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>>4734713
I doubt she'd give us the chance.
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>>4734679
>>4734685
>>4734691
>>4734699
>>4734708
+1
fourth daughter in a single day
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>>4734719
yes she will
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>>4734679
>>4734699
One package of tofu and a kid for the fox, please.
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>>4734679
Adding
>>4734707
To my vote of
>>4734699
Instead of the Tofu but keep the Dakini cult thing reworded.

Lets go, its time. Kiss anons are based.
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>>4734709
I’ll vote to kiss her as well, hell everyone that wants Shinji can get their kiss in now
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>>4734717
I want to french kiss Morgan in front of everyone since she's been acting very tsundere-ish to us.
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>>4734679
>>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
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>>4734725
its not tsudnere-ish, she just doesn't really know or care about us
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>>4734725
>>4734727
yeah, pretty sure morgan don't like us that way.
yet
maybe have her fall for shirou so he can fuck sisters
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>>4734714
That cult is her responsibility as a goddess and anchor baby is a solid tool. She has already tried to use fox pup for the same goal.
And this impresses every girl in the room. Double so for Sakura.
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>>4734729
Saber will actually kill them both if they try
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>>4734731
Does she have to to get the gift now though? We don't have the Tofu or Kiara, so it's just the promise of a gift we're offering her.
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>>4734731
I halfway think that Fox Pup is some sort of servant or incarnation of Inari acting as Amaterasu's servant itself.
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>>4734736
Yes
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>>4734736
I just voted both the kiss and Kiara. Kiara is also something we want her to do, so its not a burden to offer it, and she and others may like it. Kiss is obvious.
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>>4734736
She does so she can make the thing.
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>>4734732
shirou just has to dick her harder.
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>>4734736
>Does she have to to get the gift now though?
yes
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>>4734679
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
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>>4734736
No idea honestly. Skill description is vague. Karna would state that we are speaking truth though.
We could try and give proper promise about that little fox as she wanted initially too. Not that it matters now.
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>>4734741
>>4734743
>>4734746
Write it down in the blank sheet of paper.
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>>4734679
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?
Kiss her cheeks. First she becomes useful, then she gets tongue.
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>>4734748
The way it's written makes it seem like she can imbue objects with varied and potent blessings on the condition that someone gives her a gift, so I don't believe the promise of a gift would count.
It'd actually be a really potent skill if she wasn't summoned by a woodland creature.
It's also the perfect skill for someone like Tamamo, because she gets to act obstinate about making something while being completely justified by the mechanics of her power.
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>>4734751
She gonna grab us with servant reflexes and force her tongue into our mouths. Her breath probably tastes like Jasmine tea.
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>>4734755
Hot
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>>4734755
So be it.
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>>4734751
She's gonna force herself on us if we try to just give her a kiss on the cheek, may as well just do a normal one
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>>4734755
Time to uh, create, a new Imperial Family.
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>>4734690
She has to get a gift it's what substitutes for her item creation. She is fishing for a kiss or a promise of marriage.

>"If you want a gift, how about... (What?)": A date after the war.

Rather not do suicide by kissing her. Ignore the your lower half it'll save your life.
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>>4734759
Result's the same, intent matters. Won't complain either way.
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>>4734754
But how would kiss works for it then?
Do we have to give her blank check for every one we need that spell for and pretend to be jiangshi for the rest of the night?
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I do not envy QM having to tally this
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>>4734679
Calling in 20 minutes.
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>>4734763
That's not a gift though, that's a promise of a gift
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>>4734763
Yeah, I already changed my vote after QM's warning. I don't think a promise would count though, and we don't have anything else handy to give her. Quick kiss on the cheek is the best we can get, I think.

>>4734767
It has not been a good day for vote tallying.
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>>4734768
Have fun writing Tamamo kiss scene, I'm curious to see how the other girls would react to KItsune waifu getting some love.
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>>4734679
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
>> Kiss here on the check if yes.
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>>4734774
They'll use that murderous rage in battle
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>>4734774
Sacchin will finally figure out her "boyfriend" has been kissing other women behind her back.
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>>4734679
>"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?"
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>>4734774
>I'm curious to see how the other girls would react to KItsune waifu getting some love.
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Anyhow, I am not opposed to kissing Tamamo but I would prefer we throw her off her game like we usually do in those kind of situations.
>>4734768
WhatIs, can you tell us if promise is enough, just kiss will work or we need physical objects?
I am really not sure how much she need for it to work.
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>>4734763
Kissing clearly doesn't kill anymore, we managed to kiss Medea and Shuten in succession and then got our circuits optimized by God, so we can survive a light mouthraping.
We're definitely going to have a conceptual weakness to kiss based attacks by the end of this though.
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>>4734779
I wonder how a certain someone will feel.
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>>4734782
It depends on if the promise is something Tamamo considers good enough to substitute for a physical gift.
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>>4734782
I think kissing a girl's cheek for once will be enough to throw her off her game. Can't think of anything better, and there's not enough time.
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>>4734784
Sakura will find Kiara`s situation relatable.
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>>4734774
The atmosphere in the room will be suffocating and all the girls weak to Shinji will probably remind him of how dangerous they are
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>>4734788
Certainly, but I'm talking about the kiss.
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>>4734784
She will probably rape us so that she can at least have our virginity.
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>>4734795
Hot. Sounds like something an educated prostitute would do. Teen incest pregnancy during or after the grail war?
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>>4734795
I hope she at least waits to do it on top of grandpa's corpse. We're on the clock here.
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>>4734786
Thanks. I`ll keep my vote then since it is not something cheap but instead relatable to her and inherently good.
>>4734790
I see. But it is solid idea to defuse whole thing and make girls more nice to each other. Tamamo going about saving Kiara will increase her standing among other girls and Sakura especially.
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>>4734800
Sakura dosen't like any of the hussies aside from Rin or Medusa period. The latter two are going to be on thin ice if she finds out that either Rin or Medusa wants Shinji to dick them down.
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>>4734803
I am sure she can see that Medusa wants it.
And her standing won`t change unless we show her that other people can be at least partially good as we are in similar situations.
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We'll be breaking 2k posts if QM doesn't make a new thread next update. Impressive.
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>>4734808
that has happened before.
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>>4734808
I already have six threads on the board right now, I don't want to be rude.
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>>4734808
Truly incredible
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>>4734812
I bet QST general is seething. Your goal should be 8
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>>4734812
I blame the other QMs for not being as active as you.
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>>4734814
Lmao
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>>4734812
Their fault for being so slow. Though my computer can handle it, don't care.
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>>4734812
You are responsible for half of traffic board gets at this point.
And have you changed image editing software after that talk in one of the previous threads?
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>>4734818
>You are responsible for half of traffic board gets at this point.
Just saying, or can you see that somewhere?
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>>4734818
Still using GIMP 2 and have yet to download and try out some others, why?
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>>4734823
Glanced at current active threads in catalog and how old they are.
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>>4734818
>>4734823
I doubt that its an exaggeration, it might be a fact. Fate is very popular animu IP so it would make sense that a competent quest of it would be successful.
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>>4734823
You actually can see it somewhere but I forget the website. You can also make an educated guess since there are 6 threads of the quest breaking 1500
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>>4734823
You can use 4stats.io to check activity by board, iirc.
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>>4734824
You made image for this thread more elaborate than previous ones so I wondered if you decided to upgrade and play around with an editor.
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>>4734803
>be madly in love with a person for 10 years
>they choose someone that they met like a week ago
I would be murderously angry too desu
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Tallying this vote is somehow even worse than last time.
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>>4734832
I could have sworn that its pretty much majority of kissing Tamamo.
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>>4734831
Canon Sakura takes it like a champ in two routes.
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>>4734824
how fucking cool would be this 3 on the image working with each other
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>>4734834
yeah but the moment she felt like she had a chance with Shirou she started eating people
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>>4734834
It's not really the same when Shirou doesn't even know about the worms while we saved her from everything.
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>>4734833
Well, in that case, Mini-vote because I genuinely didn't think you'd go for a kiss.
On lips?
or on cheek?


>>4734830
I might just make every OP image unique from now on.
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Why isn't my post showing up?
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>>4734831
Maybe the person madly in love should admit their feelings when they see more and more hussies vying for the guys attention?
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>>4734834
This Sakura is a lot more assertive though. Plus we saved her life and treated her like a princess.
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>>4734840
Really? We don't have anything else to offer her at a moment's notice. And cheek.
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>>4734840
On the cheek for now. If she is extra good she might get one on the lips later.
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>>4734840
>Cheek
She's going to grab our face and force her tongue into our mouth anyway. Let's just make it look like we weren't going for anything serious at first.
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>>4734840
Cheek
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>>4734840
On the lips. I want to see this place burn.
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>>4734840
>Mini-vote because I genuinely didn't think you'd go for a kiss.
FUCK FUCK WE MADE A MISTAKE
>on cheek

>>4734845
i genuinely don't know what her endgame is, maybe she's waiting for us to make the first move?
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>>4734840
Cheek
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>>4734840
I'll say lips. Because I know what I voted for
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>>4734852
plausible deniability is the smartest move, considering most if not all our love interests are here
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>>4734840
>I genuinely didn't think you'd go for a kiss.
You thought your kiss-slut playerbase would come up with a clever way to avoid kissing someone.
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>>4734840
>I genuinely didn't think you'd go for a kiss
Worrisome.
What were the expectation then?
>On lips?
>or on cheek?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss
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>>4734840
SHE gets the cheek. Medea and Shuten get the lips
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>>4734856
>maybe she's waiting for us to make the first move?
Yes. She was happy to wait for Shirou to make the first move, and we're her brother on top of it. She'll be afraid to ruin our relationship.

We need to kiss her too, and soon.
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>>4734840
Cheek.
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>>4734840
I still think kissing her is encouraging her antics and a bad idea but if we absolutely have to, then cheek.
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>>4734840
Hearing all the Sakura talk activated the tamamo voters.
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>>4734840
After you call, can you tell us what you expected? I genuinely can't think of anything, even from an autism perspective.
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>>4734868
Oh that's easy enough.
I expected you to just decline her offer.
From what I saw, Tamamo didn't exactly have much favor.
Or at least that's what I thought.
Calling in 5.
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>>4734840
Cheek
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>>4734840
throat
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>>4734840
>Cheek

almost tempted to go for lips just for the fire
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>>4734870
>From what I saw, Tamamo didn't exactly have much favor.
Really? We kinda stuck our neck out for her
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>>4734870
I just felt bad for Tamamo, she was desperate and horny enough to want to contract with some rando who treated her pet master like a decent human being. I don't know about romancing her but there are certainly a lot of anons who want that.
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>>4734870
I mean, I like her but I appeared in like the last maybe 2 threads if that
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>>4734870
Even discounting the Tamamofags that suddenly appeared, we had a problem, she offered a solution. It was the same reason we're working with Jason.

And it was the perfect timing for this, right after our talk of Tamamo gaining our favor by helping us find Kiara.
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>>4734874
There still will be fire, but instead of Australia burning down we will have to deal with a regular forest fire.
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>>4734840
cheek
we can french kiss her later
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>>4734870
I wanted to, but I saw where the wind was blowing and said "lets find out"
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>>4734870
https://www.poll-maker.com/poll3556443x78294166-107
But she did better in your poll than a lot of other girls.
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>>4734870
I thought that was you giving her some spotlight because most of us were talking about how hard she was jobbing.
Kinda feels bad, so throwing a bone it is
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>>4734870
Tamano is fun to insult and bully but she's very well liked too.
I guess that's the nature of a goddess that does terrible things, yet is loved by many.
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>>4734870
we do like her, she is just fun to bully.
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>>4734870
what do you mean, decline the offer. Then we wouldn't get the gadget we were asking for.
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>>4734870
At the end of the day, Tamamo is still a foxgirl.
That gives her a natural advantage by default.
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>>4734887
I assume Medea or Morgan could do it, but we couldn't know it at the time and it wouldn't be worth it to take that chance imho.
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>>4734888
>touch fluffly tail
>bad end
>repeat
its glorious
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>>4734885
True, tamamofags are not a minority at all in the fate fanbase
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>>4734840
Also, even for those of us that like her(like me), opportunity cost was hard, we're on a time crunch right now. Have to wait for more time to interact.
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So... how exactly are we going to explain umu's existence to Shirou and Saber?
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>>4734895
Tell them a defective Astoria existed and it’s Nero
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>>4734895
sometimes people look the same
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>>4734895
Eh, Sakura took B.B well enough.
Saber should be honored if anything, imitation is the greatest form of flatery
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>>4734895
In some myth Morgan is the mother of Oberon by means of Caesar. In nasu the the Reverse doesnt have a strict arrow of time. Profit? Time travelling saberface explained.
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If it is actually Nero, then I say we summon Boudicca to get her revenge.
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>>4734865
Why is she an anal slut?
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>>4734895
We don't. Just a funny quirk of the world, don't read too much into it.
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>>4734863
Medea get the tongue.
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>>4734895
God is actually Takeuchi and he has a problem
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>>4734902
loophole and a weird amount of girls in Nasuverse like it up the ass

>>4734904
this establishes the pecking order once more
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>>4734883
For real.
>Medea
>24
>Sakura
>18
>Arcueid
>14
>Mordred
>13
>Monica
>10
>Medusa
>9
>Altrouge
>8
>Touko
>8
>Tiamat
>7
>Tamamo
>7
She is in top 10 right now.
And we have really weird anomaly here too.
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>>4734908
She did better than Rin even.
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>>4734908
I think she got some votes after it was linked here, I'm pretty sure she was lower before.
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>>4734895
>"you should see jeanne"
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>>4734913
Even Morgan outdid Rin.
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>>4734840
Lips
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>>4734904
As if we’d give her less
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>>4734908
Tiamat is weirdly high up, all she did was give Sakura a power up and give her bigger assets
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>>4734913
why do people hate Rin
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>>4734920
It’s the power of muddy beast area ara
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>>4734920
Reread what you posted and you'll understand why.

But also, Tiamat is a sympathetic figure who suffered through no fault of her own. Triggers all the right flags for the people here.
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>>4734920
result of general like tiamat leaking through
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>>4734921
I think people are tsundere for Rin.
>>4734920
Tiamat is a good girl. And she helps us out.
Altrouge almost making it into top 5 is the weirdest part.
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The Oni were not treated kindly by the poll.
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>>4734840
Cheek
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>>4734931
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>>4734931
They vanished for like 1/3 or more of the story QM. Not much time to build rapport with the audience other than for superficial reasons.
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>>4734933
If I could have voted for Satsuki eight times, I would have.
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>>4734933
No fucking way, i can't fucking believe it
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>>4734933
QM forgot her in the poll for a while i think
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>>4734938
Yeah, but no one noticed which means no one wanted to vote for her anyway.

But damn, poor Satsuki. Even WhatIs forgot about her.
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>>4734938
thats hilarious
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>>4734920
have you even seem how hot tiamat is
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>>4734943
It was on purpose to see if you noticed she was gone.
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>>4734945
Her horns are amazing.
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>>4734948
Nasu sure didn't
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>>4734920
Endgame right here.
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>Shirou
>11
vs
>Nyarlathotep
>10
and
>Alan
>2

The power of giving us our evil witch back.
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>>4734954
It will never not be funny that it took literal Divine Intervention for us to start being wary of Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos.
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>>4734950
I agree with that.
Her horns are great.
I wonder how long it will take FGO to reach the desperation threshold and release her as a playable Servant.
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>>4734958
Seeing how FGO is almost out of the top 50 games even after releasing a new Servant, I'm wishing for it to just die at this point. Fuck that game for treating its players as shit.
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>>4734957
It is sad how some anon quickly fell for divine gossips, yeah.
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>>4734957
>please stop trying to friend the devil
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>>4734958
not sure if they ever will honestly
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>>4734957
I think we should take God's advice on everything EXCEPT meddling with Outer Gods. Holding a favor from the cosmic terrors can really help in a pinch, when some extreme threats come knocking on our doorstep.
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>>4734971
Anon, they ARE the extreme threat.
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>>4734975
silence, YHWH
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>>4734958
Goetia any moment now
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>>4734971
>>4734975
He never told us to very wary of them if we are being honest. He wanted us not to be all that chummy with them. Which is pretty hard since we have Betty and Abby now.
He also said that he hold our leash and will try to discipline us if we try to turn everything around us in playground for megalomania.
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>>4734989
well we're gonna conquer Great Britain, probably take advantage of the crash but honestly that's more because other forces are pushing us in that direction
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>>4734979
No
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>>4734991
We should be fine as long as don't do something really out of character, like becoming a Beast and destroying entire continents.
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>>4734995
Well we do seem to be planning on fully incarnating servants, don't know if God will appreciate that or not
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>>4734991
>>4734995
>>4735002
It is hard to guess where he will draw the line after Manaka is dealt with.
I would prefer to do Apotheosis assuming it will just make us fully unchained.
I am pretty sure we are past the point of becoming monster of the week since YHWH even said it himself.
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>>4734931
At least now they will have their own community. Maybe we can sponsor a battle arena or something, as part of the Misaki development project.
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>>4735007
i'm honestly not interested in Apotheosis, incarnating servants, studying the limits of Truth and going home to a big family seems like a nice goal
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>>4735007
I absolutely do not want apotheosis. I want us to live in a nice mansion with our daughters and wives and teach Betty to SPHERE discord mods.
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>>4735008
I wanna call Kouma and tell him about the Oni village, he's gonna be so excited, he doesn't have to be a weird hermit man anymore
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>>4734921
I don’t like tsunderes. It’s just cutesy abusive personalities and I knew someone like that in real life and I hated their guts for it
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>>4735007
Why would Shinji want to be a god, everything that matters happens at human scale.
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>>4735025
Rin isn't even like that though
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You know, Shirou being one of Mordred's knights seems like a bigger upgrade than being some nameless mercenary as i think outloud, he gets a substantial about of power and pull and can convince Mordred or us to help certain regions
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>>4735025
That's only the modern style of Tsundere, who are present in mass produced Light Novels and are basically just schizophrenic as they leap from love to hate at random intervals.
The more traditional tsundere starts of disliking a character and slowly warms to them until the tsun almost entirely disappears.
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>>4735025
rin is one of the softest tsunderes that exist, she was created before the term became overused on girls that are too much tsun to the point of abuse for no reason.
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>>4735011
>>4735015
>>4735027
We don`t even know that our Apotheosis even imply. Other than possible ability to planeswalk.
Other than knowledge about it we can use our favour on asking about another eldritch daughter?
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>>4735033
>>4735034
Rin isn't even cold at all, at least canonically, she has a big heart but she downplays it a lot.
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>>4735037
She only pretends to be mean to protect her defenseless anus.
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>>4735033
See this chart.
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>>4735036
I don't want to play around with Eldritch knowledge anon
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>>4735036
Apotheosis generally implies becoming a god, which generally implies no longer being able to live like a mortal. It seems counterproductive if our goal is to be a good and happy husband and father.
And two eldritch daughters are enough. We already got the good ones anyway. I'd rather we used our favor to ask him to stop influencing our world.
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>>4735039
No offense qm, but I'd rather neo than modern. The flip flop drives me crazy.
The Neo but reversed is the worst one.
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>>4735039
I don't know what is in the onions sauce that nips ate that caused them to flanderize tsunderes to the point where the girl seems to be bipolar and near unlikable. There's a huge difference between being a Rin tsundere, and being Taiga Aisaka unlikable and abusive.
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>>4735039
the flip flop ones only work if the tsun part gets "softer" every time.
if it stays the same be bitch is schizophrenic
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>>4735053
S0l since 4chan seems to hate that word. Forgot that the filter was a thing.
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>>4735052
Chart should be changed so that only Classic is good and Neo and Modern are both shit.
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>>4735052
Wait, I posted the wrong version.
Modern should've been shit along with Neo
Fucking Reddit.
That's what I get for trying to find a higher res version of it.
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>>4735056
It's a good thing I've never bothered to write a cooking scene where BASEDSAUCE featured as an ingredient.
Or any basedbased dish.
Or really cooking scenes in general.
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>>4735058
>reddit
you nigger, learn to never use that website.
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>>4735060
Wait, why do I remember Medea cooking at some point?
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>>4735061
It was on Google Image results.
I didn't actually use the website itself.
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>>4735063
Becuase she did cook there was a cooking competition back then.
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>>4735039
Here it is, the correct chart.
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>>4735068
i think you could say that the new tsundere as show in this chart just defeats the point of the tsundere.
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>>4735036
I don't want to become a space god and would like to make Sacchin a mother instead.
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>>4735080
making all of then pregnant at mostly the same time would be good.
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>>4735083
Weird question but you don’t think Sakura having a fertility goddess in her is gonna effect conception right?
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>>4735080
I want to make Sacchin into the Ultimate Lifeform.
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>>4735090
probably making her have 5 children at once.
and they look a little like tiamat with horns and shit
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>>4735091
I want to make Sakura eat every villain so she becomes unstoppable
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>>4735095
Like this?
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>>4735095
wouldn't they be more draconic if we ever get around to getting that blood injection from Alitheia too?
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>>4735100
Like this with purple hair.
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>>4735100
oh god this is adorable
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>>4735103
?
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>>4735111
not bad, but i prefer the other one or a less neon purple.
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>>4735111
Is she marriage material for us?
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>>4735111
This but without leukemia.
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>>4735114
?
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>>4735118
Like this but Blonde.
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>>4735118
cute.
very cute.
but >>4735117 is right she is white as fuck.
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Tinymats are good civilization
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>>4735118
Better, but could be closer to Sakura purple imho.
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>>4735129
what did i do to God for him to give me this desire to have children.
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>>4735120
>>4735121
?
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>>4735132
>[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
>[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
It's in the Bible, anon.
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>>4735138
quite nice, now just make 5 of this with different hair colors and eye colors.
>>4735139
yeah, shame that shit is hard today.
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>>4735138
That's perfect, go with that one.
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Sorry this update is taking so long, it's a long one.
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>>4735138
I love how you're spending so much time and effort fiddling with our future daughter's hair color.

Also, anons, I hope you realize this means we should hurry up and impregnate our sisterwife soon so Alitheia won't have too much of an age difference with her younger quintuplet sisters.
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>>4735118
seems bad that we're gonna have a bunch of these kids running around but we kinda already crossed that line when we created a Superdragon daughter
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>>4735146
QM, you are the fastest in the board. It's fine man.
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>>4735146
Don't sweat it man, we were kinda expecting it.
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>>4735147
alitheia will be a loli for god knows how much time, she will be fine.
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>>4735146
bruh you're the most active QM right now I think, it's fine lol
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It's not really related to things in quest right now, but is there a reason that Lev's mundane bomb managed to put the Not True Ancestor into critical condition?
Is it just bad writing?
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>>4735170
a very explosive good bomb with magic shit
or pic related
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>>4735182
But at the same time, it wasn't powerful enough to kill the far weaker humans.
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>>4735170
That True Ancestor was extremely weak, that's the only explanation
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>>4735185
didnt it kill everyone but they where in "stasis" so the alien god could fix then somehow?
I think wodime says that the alien god revived him or something, i may be wrong.
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>>4735190
we should find him and fix his Crest, he's a good boi
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>>4735170
mundane by what standard though? military bomb? make-shift from scratch? It doesn't specify.

also, if they were mid-rayshift, then that could fuck them all up horribly
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>>4735170
Nasu kind of forgot about how durable a "non-true ancestor" is. Kind of like how big scary ballista arrow can be fired accurately enough to down a dragon that apparently moves as fast as a car in the air in another piece of fiction.
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>>4735194
Hinako can literally blow herself up like she's a bomb and recreate her body.
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>>4735197
Something Something spiritron conversion redundancies interfereing with not-true-ancestor bullshit
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>>4735192
his crest is fine, what is fucked is his magic circuits and health.
still, we should make him our friend.
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>>4735204
We can fix those two. But do we want to?

And did we ever try fixing Shinji's few original defective circuits?
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>>4735209
> Shinji's few original defective circuits?
there really isnt any point in doing that.
>But do we want to?
sure? dude is one of the few mages that isnt a dick and actually cares about humanity.
And has absurd potential if we bring back the age of gods.
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>>4735209
why would we? i don't even think there'd be a noticeable boost
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>>4735210
>>4735212
It wouldn't really cost us anything, and a negligible boost is better than no boost. Oh well, it's not really that important.

As for Wodime, I only skimmed the wiki, but isn't he one of FGO's bad guys?
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>>4735190
It did, after the alien god revived him he asked that the others should be revived as well
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>>4735218
She only revived them from close to the point of their deaths, up until that point they were being kept alive in cryostasis, I believe.
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>>4735216
He was kinda forced to work with them but pulled some big brain moves to try and ascend humanity but he got screwed over, partly by us and partly because one of his teammates screwed him over cause he's basically like Kirei and loves doing evil shit
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>>4735227
Alright. I won't oppose the plan to fix him. But after we find Kiara.
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>>4735230
dealing with Kiara is literally a one day adventure "hey, i'm taking your kid, not like you give a shit."
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"Would a kiss be enough of a gift?" You ask the fox woman innocently, and a chill seems to run through the entire room as you do, and you can feel the burgeoning weight of many gazes, as if they are trying to crush you utterly. You ignore the strange sense of pressure for a moment, and lock eyes with Tamamo.

"A kiss...?" The fox woman makes an expression of deep thought, as if she's really considering your offer, even though she asked for a gift. Just... what on Earth sort of woman is she that she'd ask for a gift and then wait until finding out what it was before deciding whether it's good enough for her or not! "I suppose that I can work with a kiss from my future husband!" Well, at least she's calling you future husband instead of- wait.

The temperature of the room seems to have further dropped, and you lock eyes with Sakura for a moment, her happy eyes... they must be hiding something far more malicious behind them. You notice that she left BB behind, probably for the best. Don't really need to be explaining her to everyone else right now, you suppose, and it's not like BB will really have much input to have on the plan anyway, she's practically a non-combatant unless Nyarlathotep decides to give her powers back to her, and while she might have some great ability to use computers and technology in general, that's really not going to be of much help to you, especially not right now, when the only thing that really matters is power.

You feel a tail wrap around your chest and drag you closer to Tamamo with surprising strength, she might be a Caster, but damn, she's stronger than you thought she would be! With just one of her tails she could easily throw you around if you didn't reinforce yourself! A nice reminder that for as delicate as they might seem sometimes, Servants are still Servants, and even Medea as she is currently could punch a hole straight through a concrete wall if she wanted to. Of course, she could incinerate the wall with a single word instead, so it's not like she'd ever really find herself in any sort of situation where she'd actually really need to put her physical strength to the test, not unless she got unreasonably angry where she managed to somehow forget her words. Or if a zippy little modern magus was getting up in her face and using their martial arts skills on her to beat her up. "A kiss, then..." Tamamo whispers in your ear, quiet enough that you find it unlikely that anybody else in the room should be able to hear, then again, seeing as a lot of the people in the room are actually... well, Servants, and some of them have massively enhanced auditory abilities. "Husband." There's a deep longing in her voice as she says that, and she she moves away from your ear to look you straight in the face. She closes her eyes, and draws her face closer to you...

...And you quickly kiss her cheek, subverting her expectations entirely.
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Tamamo spends a few moments locked in place, before her eyes blink open in confusion. "E-eh?" She's cute when she's confused. She really did seem to expect that it was going to be that easy to get a proper kiss from you, to just hold you ransom for magical items in exchange for a proper kiss. But if she does want to kiss you for real, she's going to have to try a little harder than that!

"Come on, you didn't think it would be that easy to get a proper kiss from me, did you, Tamamo?" You hold back a nervous laugh. You would probably have kissed the fox woman on the lips if you weren't surrounded by so many people right now, and you feel like you might've had your life expectancy get cut a little bit short if you just made out with the woman in front of everyone. "Come on, now that that's out of th-MMMPH" Your words are cut short as the annoyed looking fox woman grabs your head and forces her lips onto yours, and while no tongue is exchanged between the two of you you can still feel a small amount of your magical energy being drained into the woman.

Eventually, she lets go of you, and breaks off the kiss. You try not to pay much attention to the various outraged looks of the women around the room as Tamamo giggles a little. "There we go, I think that will make it very easy for me to create something to do what you want now!" The woman quickly puts you down and scurries off to an empty work surface. You don't pay much attention to what she's doing, and instead focus on the people in front of you, almost glaring at you. You feel your face color a bit, so you cough into your hand to give yourself a moment.

"Anyway, back on topic. I'm going to have everyone split into teams with... certain objectives to accomplish." You look over your allies for a moment as you properly decide on the plan. "OK, first off, I'm going to need a few of you to stay behind at Rin's home in order to defend those who can't... defend themselves right now. Namely, Medusa's sisters, Betty and Abby." Well, BB, but probably best you don't bring her up just yet. "In this group, I want Illya, Shirou, Saber, Arcueid and Satsuki. I'd take you with me normally, Shirou, but... you and Saber are running low on energy right now, right?" You don't want to put Satsuki in danger considering her lack of any real combat experience, and Arcueid has already had half of her power siphoned by Orochi, so you don't want him getting any ideas of stealing the other half of her powers, and he'd almost certainly prioritize her if he knew she was with you. In fact, you're lucky that he hasn't pursued you directly. You can only imagine what he's up to in the Einzbern Castle is something that will be a bigger disaster than even gaining the other half of Arcueid's powers... You should also probably watch out for him being able to utilize Marble Phantasm too.
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"That's right, Shinji." Saber has a calm expression on her face. "Shirou and myself will see to it that this mansion is adequately defended, and that the occupants that are incapable of defending themselves are kept safe." Saber has no issues in being put on guard duty, which is good. Of course, while it would be nice if you were able to take Shirou and Saber with you to this battle, it's just not a possibility with the two of them needing to restore their magical energy reserves through rest.

Arcueid stretches, clearly bored and not very happy with her role. "Mhm, with any luck, an insect comes along to the house that I can squash. I've been in the mood for some stress relief since that snake stole away some of my power." Arcueid sounds annoyed that she won't be going along with you, and while she would of course be more than a match for practically any Servant that might end up appearing in the forests with the exception of Orochi himself, you really don't want to push your luck with things. "Ah well, I'm sure that if somebody does show up, it will make good training for Satsuki." Arcueid suddenly pats Satsuki on the back reassuringly. You hadn't really expected the two of them would ever have such a strangely close relationship, considering that Arcueid should hate Dead Apostles. Then again, she probably feels kinship to Satsuki considering her link to Altrouge, even if she hates her sister. She's still technically her sister.

Illya herself doesn't seem all too happy with your decision to leave her behind, but doesn't raise any complaints. She probably realizes that having her go with you would probably just be a hindrance for everyone involved as Alcides would need to focus on protecting her than fully letting himself use the full extent of his abilities.
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"Onto my next stage of the plan." You decide it's time to reveal the second part of the plan, the people staying at the mansion don't seem to really have any major objections to it, even if it's clear that Arcueid would've been preferred being given the chance to tear a few Servants limb from limb, it's probably not good to indulge her in her moments of blood lust like this, Arcueid has to hold back her body's natural psychological craving for human blood anyway, and actually letting her get involved in fighting when she's already been unbalanced by the loss of some of her power is a good way for things to get messy for everyone involved. "The main bulk of the fighting force will be going after Orochi himself, and will ignore the rest of the Servants in order to both attack from a distance and make a beeline to the Einzbern Castle. Archer, I want you to use Rule Breaker to sever the contract of any enemy Servant that you might see, if you are capable of doing so. I want you to try to at least start encounters with enemies diplomatically as well, it's doubtful that any of the Servants of Orochi actually enjoy serving the bastard, and it will help ease them into working with us upon having their contracts severed." Hopefully nobody is going to want to continue to remain loyal to the evil snake after being given a second chance. "Karna will stay at a distance and use his Archer skills, while Alcides, you're going to be teamed with Jason in order to raise your combat potential." The blonde lancer pales visibly. "Along with Medusa, you're going to be our main weapon against Orochi." You turn to Ciel, seeing Sasaki standing somewhere in the back, barely any presence. "Ciel, Third Saber, I'm going to need the two of you to assist Archer in disabling enemy Servants enough that he can strike them with Rule Breaker if things come down to that." You give the two their orders. Hopefully they'll work well together with the Counter Guardian.

You finally look at Mordred, and give the girl a quick smile. "For the group that is going to be pursuing Orochi and his Servants, the battlefield commander will be King Mordred here, her orders should be followed immediately and preferably without question. I expect that she'll be pushing her Instincts and leading ability to the limit in order to properly guide you all to success... Oh." You turn to the blonde haired Caster. "Morgan, you're with Mordred. You're the one Caster we have on our side who isn't immediately brought down to the level of a human simply by being near Orochi." Seriously, Orochi's new abilities are a massive pain in the ass, and you feel like you haven't even seen half of just what the Snake God is capable of at this point. He's a genuine world-ending threat just as much as Manaka is, after all. Better to play things safer than sorry by sending somebody as powerful as Morgan with the group.
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"Understood, Advisor. I won't let you down!" Mordred flashes you a confident grin and gives you a thumbs up. It's really charming, the way she's so confident about all this. The courage of this girl is undeniable, some might call Mordred's courage foolhardy or idiotic, but it's an inspiration in its own way. As a leader, Mordred would very much always be the type who led from the front. Setting an example to her people by being the one they should aspire to be something like.

'Archer has a copy of Rule Breaker, Master?' a worried voice comes through the mental link, and you sigh, of course Medea would be concerned that the seemingly random bowman has a copy of her most valued Noble Phantasm and... well, her only Noble Phantasm, but still, Unlimited Blade Works is very much a cheat ability. EMIYA not held back by magical energy would practically be an undefeatable barrage of an assortment of Noble Phantasms.

'A special ability he has had since he was a child I believe.' You don't want to reveal the nature of the power that Shirou Emiya wields to anybody just in case something were to perhaps... go wrong. Right now, Unlimited Blade Works is something like an ultimate ace in the hole for Archer. A surprise attack that he should be capable of springing on practically any enemy and defeating them with it. "And that brings me onto the final group, this one I shall be leading personally." You pat Alítheia on the head a few times before getting started "Sakura, Medea, Tamamo, Shiki and Shuten will ride on Alítheia with me in order to get a better vantage point of the battlefield from above, and to decide whether or not it's actually worth getting involved in the battle between these two as yet unknown factions of Servants." Really, you want to find out just what is going on with them, but you don't want to waste any time that could be better spent dealing with Orochi himself. "If we decide not to get involved, then we'll head straight for Orochi as well, and I'm going to have to ask Medea and Tamamo to return back to the mansion if that's the case. I can't afford the two of you getting depowered again, it makes you easy targets for Orochi.

"Mmmph, I want my revenge on him too, you know!" Tamamo doesn't sound at all happy about being denied the opportunity to get her revenge on the snake, but if you're going to be honest, the chances that Tamamo has at defeat Orochi as she currently is are practically zero, and while things could and would probably change massively if Tamamo were in her nine-tailed fully powered form, then you'd have the problem of dealing with a nine-tailed Tamamo on your hands instead, and that could be an even more dangerous and powerful Monster than even Orochi to deal with. Of course, there's no telling whether she'd metamorphose into Amaterasu or what, but still, turning Tamamo into a Beast sounds like it would be a bad idea. A bad, bad, bad idea.
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Of course, you also have the bright idea to call SHIKI on the way, so as to get his perspective of events. He should still be trailing Gilgamesh, after all, and getting Gilgamesh on board to help out against Orochi would be a tremendously large boon to you. "Then finally, that brings me to you two, Touko and Aoko, I want you two to use your own judgment and help out in whatever way you think suits the two of you best."

The two sisters frown, before they turn their attentions back onto the magical map. "I'll stay behind and help defend the mansion." Aoko says with an almost bored voice. Turns out that she might've actually been excited about getting to actually fight somebody who has a genuine chance at beating her in magic. Being a True Magician like herself, finding such people must be very difficult indeed.

"I'll head with the main suppression team with Billy and Lugh, though Lugh, please be careful, I don't want you letting any part of you getting torn off and chewed up by something and stealing your powers, alright?" Touko gives Lugh a quick warning, yeah, the last thing the world needs right now is for Orochi to have gained the powers of yet another Incarnated Elemental. Well, seeing as Touko is actually going to help, that might mean that she's going to actually get serious and reveal her full arsenal!

"Well, I think that about covers things, but the one question remaining is... How exactly are we going to get everyone to their rightful targets?"

>Teleport everyone in front of the forests.
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
>Use a vehicle to reach the forest instead.
>Just have everyone ride on Alítheia's back for transit.
>Write-in...
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>>4735324
>>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
This gives us an auto advantage in case things go bad, they can provide support
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>>4735324
>The attack at the gates?
I meant to put outside the forest.
Sorry, I am sleepy.
There are no gates.
It's a forest.
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Anyway, new thread in the morning, this thread is really getting too large.
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>>4735324
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
Also QM, did you forget about Shirou calling Taiga, or are you just putting it next update?
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>>4735324
Just have everyone ride on Alítheia's back for transit.
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>>4735336
It'll be in next update.
I had to make a decision to either end the update there or I'd fall asleep with no update for the night.
I had to edit through the last couple parts like 6 times.
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>>4735324
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone outside the forest.

>>4735335
Thank fuck, auto-update has practically stopped working here. Nice to see the kiss on the cheek did its job and Tamamo drew aggro. I assume Tamamo's gift will also be next update?
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>>4735342
That's fine. Do try to sleep this time at least.
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>>4735347
fucking knew plausible deniability would work, we easily passed on the blame to Tamamo now and don't have to worry about BAD ENDS until at least tomorrow
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Huh, ID changed. I am >>4735230 in case it matters.

And I am surprised Aoko chose to stay behind. I'd have expected her to jump at the chance to see some action.
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>>4735324
>>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
Good night senpai, hope we can see how Ayaka and Gil are getting along. Very curious to see what they've been up to.
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>>4735324
>>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.

I sure hope that merlin isn't fucking with teleportation right now. I bet he could do it too.
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>>4735311
>you lock eyes with Sakura for a moment, her happy eyes... they must be hiding something far more malicious behind them
do you think she's gonna chew us out for this or did Tamamo manage to take all the blame for this?
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Where is kaledostar damnit! We need magical boy Shinji.
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>>4735324
>Use a vehicle to reach the forest instead.

Take cars I would rather not Zouken or Merlin fuck us. Zouken seen us do it twice so I'm expecting him to have somethinh to interfere with it.
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>>4735417
I would also like to do Kaleido Amethyst Power Make Up!
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>>4735324
>>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
>>4735413
Sakura’s gonna have a very long talk with Shinji by the end of this, regardless of the kiss. Just wait until she finds out about the other girls Shinji’s kissed
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>>4735428
Maybe she should admit her feelings next time instead of holding it in. Especially with all of the hussies around wanting Shinji cock.
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>>4735434
You don't want aggressive Sakura, that will either be more like BB or Dark Sakura. Damn I feel like if we fuck up Sakura will be the morgan to our Merlin.
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>>4735434
>You would probably have kissed the fox woman on the lips if you weren't surrounded by so many people right now,
Admit our feelings? OK.
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>>4735481
There will be a time to gush and resolve all the romantic shit later.
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>>4735481
Shinji is a manwhore regardless of who or what he is, that is the universal truth
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Woke up to over 450 new posts. Blessed thread.

>>4735324

>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone outside the forest.
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>>4735531
Of course black people only come during the night time, they blend in better. Truly the best Stealer class servant. Oh wait we're not allowed to associate blacks and stealing in 2021 oops.
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>>4735557
bixnood

I'm not in the amerimutt timezone
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>>4735561
sorry you don't live in the land of the free and the white
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>>4735324
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
Tamamo is such a cutie, we should rub her fluffy ears sometime.
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>>4734895
Eve was a Saberface
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Looks like I timed watching third Heaven`s Feel movie just right with our own main battle.
>>4735324
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
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>>4735677
That better not be true.
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>>4735677
Adam was a Shirouface
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>>4735677
>>4735689
>>4735690
WhatIs really missed an opportunity for YHWH to show up as Takeuchi.
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>>4735695
>talk with yhwh
>receive god's blessing
>wake up
>head has morphed into a shape identical to Shirou's
>goddamnit Takeuichi.
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>>4735705
What a rip off. Where is our own brand new Saberface?
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You guys realize that Sakura can't teleport so someone's taking the car right?
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>>4735720
>Sakura, Medea, Tamamo, Shiki and Shuten will ride on Alítheia with me in order to get a better vantage point of the battlefield from above, and to decide whether or not it's actually worth getting involved in the battle between these two as yet unknown factions of Servants
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>>4735713
Alithea gets to grow up to be a dragon saberface
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>>4735733
Double Dragon.
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>>4735725
You guys make horrible father's taking a little girl to what's going to be a bloody dust up.
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>>4735739
Nonsense. She was born on the battlefield.
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>>4735736
well......
shit
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>>4735739
we tried to kill her and drain her of her blood the moment she was born
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>>4735342
WhatIs, you also forgot about Rin escorting her dragon niece.

>>4735745
And we did actually cut off her wing too.
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>>4735813
I'm certain I included that

How strange.
Ah well it will happen in the next update
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Looking back at the fact that we and Merlin have many similar traits (when talking about the Caliburn Mordred thing + seeming to know the future, etc), in the fact that Merlin wants to witness Human History and its ending, and that we only care for individuals and Humanity at large is just NPCs...

Could that be a reason Merlin opposes us, even beyond the Beast candidate thing potential? If he like Touko figured out some our inhumanity/extrauniversality, and thought of what he would be like if he thought like us?

We do seem to have 0% problem potentially bro-ing it up with Outer Gods and bringing back AoG shit.
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>>4735818
https://twitter.com/i/events/1360450328752132098
can we invade this timeline?
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>>4735818
Did asking about some sword autism get in?
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>>4735818
Not so strange if you were half-asleep.

>>4735822
And do we have Gil's doohickey in our pocket or can we grab it real quick before we go?
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>>4735820
Merlin's clairvoyance means he's seen EVERYTHING we've done. He told us about our meeting with Alaya.

It's possible that's the reason he's opposing us, yes. But this means he's going against the literal Will of Humanity. It would explain why God told us to defeat Orochi AND those who oppose him if Merlin's gone rogue.
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>>4735820
So you are thinking Merlin is a part of Alaya civil war? And our revelation to our Alaya sprunged him into action?
>>4735822
>>4735824
I hope both options managed to get it.
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>>4735829
I think we know, or at least have heard Merlin's motivation from his own mouth in canon, and that I can imagine such a scenario as Merlin being "rogue", if we fucked over his wish/vision, such as wtf happened to this Alaya.
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>>4735821
Douman best male yandere in the franchise.
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>>4735822
I can answer a few of the questions myself based on what Shinji knows.

Trichilocosm is basically useless without Blessing of Wisdom, and Shirou won't use it for much the same reason he doesn't use the Jewel Sword. Not to mention it's EX rank and it would be massively degraded.

Blessing of Wisdom is a blade forged by a Bodhisattva, and EMIYA and Shirou would be able to copy every other aspect of the creation process, but wouldn't be able to just instill it with that wisdom. It would just be a decent sword. Not to mention if either of them did use a perfect copy they'd realize all the reasons that both they and their dream of saving everyone are stupid.

Azrael for the most part is just an ordinary sword that is only special because of who is wielding it, and while Shirou can trace techniques as well, he can't really just trace actually being Hassan.

Finally, the Sword of Paracelcus, he can create.
But again, he doesn't really have the smarts to use it except for the secondary function as a True Ether nuke dagger.
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>>4735832
SoP is a better BP arrow than Caladbolg at least
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>>4735832
Well, I thought Azrael basically got the MeoDP shit seeped into it because it was used with it so much, and that only "was" a normal iron sword, but you're probably right?

As for Sword of Para, I think that just does the calculations itself and you don't need to be gigabrained. It's made out of photonic crystal/quantum supercomputers. Or does Shirou just not think that much in a fight?
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>>4735833
At that point he may as well try using Balmung as an arrow. It's got real True Ether instead of just a simulation, if he can Trace it.
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>>4735833
A ranked down A++ Anti-Army Noble Phantasm that twists space is worse as an arrow than a ranked down A+ Anti-Army Noble Phantasm?
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>>4735830
Well, Morgan will appreciate her new garden gnome at least.

>>4735834
>Or does Shirou just not think that much in a fight?
It's Shirou. Do you even have to ask?

And WhatIs, I don't think you get enough praise for getting the characters right. Tamamo cutely bluescreening when she doesn't get the kiss she expects, Morgan confidently giving a thumbs up and saying she won't let us down, etc. I can practically see and hear the scene in my head.
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>>4735834
He doesn't think about magus type stuff in battles, and is usually more focused on actually just stabbing his enemies.
The Sword of Paracelcus requires magus knowledge to properly utilize, and that's not the sort of thing he can learn from UBW.
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>>4735838
>Morgan confidently giving a thumbs up and saying she won't let us down
Now I need to write a Carnival scene where Morgan is completely identical to Mordred personality-wise.
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>>4735821
>>4735831
A real groomer.
>>4735830
It is really weird move from him since this timeline was already separated from the rest. Him going against us, God and Outer Gods and by proxy helping Manaka.
Could he be planning to reset this timeline to a normal state by grabbing Grail?
>>4735832
How about Carnwennan, Crocea Mors and Altera`s sword?
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>>4735835
You'd think Balmung, being forged of Gram's fragments should be somewhat difficult to trace because of it's above human origins. But both are perfectly creatable by Shirou apparently?

>>4735836
Para's sword is likely a lot cheaper to produce and spam, so it'd imagine it would be more 'sustained dps' for it's mana usage. Caladborg is better if you're trying to destroy structure due to it's mountain cracking properties by far and away though.
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>>4735844
Crocea Mors is meant to assure victory for the bearer when drawn. Caesar only hates it because Nennius stole it mid fight and slaughtered his legions with it so it reminds him of his failure
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>>4735830
To explicate this, I base the idea of Merlin's vision on Babylonia and Garden. Specifically;

"I, on the other hand --
I'm interested in your end...
To preserve the Human Order, and to see it to its end."

with what we know of the end being;

"Where it would hereforth be as the Age of Man, even that shall one day come to a close.
Should the matter of the revolution of the Star conclude, there would thereafter come a reorientation to the undertaking of the revolution of the Cosmos (Skies)."
With specific characteristic being that lifeforms in that Era would have "volition in the absence of a corpus".

The Cosmos/Skies is also similar to Mahoyo talking about how True Magic is as if providence from a "God without the sky".

My theory is that unless specific conditions of the future he originally saw without would come to pass even so, as usually the Culling phenomenon would ensure that no other end can come, he regards as an enemy that fucked some part of this up super hard, either our interaction with Adjacent Worlds/2nd, our semi-revival of AoG shit and the passage of Eras, or some unforeseen characteristic of our pontial Beast nature.

This is my theory on Merlin's fuckery. ( I skipped Goddess of Catalhoyuk stuff which might make Medusa super important too and we are kinda thinking of incarnating her)
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Claíomh Solais has yet to properly appear in Fate iirc. I imagine it might show up in LB6, it should outwank Excalibur considering it's origins
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>>4735844
If we take the Magical Girl stuff in Grand Order as canon, then that is an actual event of people from one Parallel World (different from Adjacent World) or Tree of Time moving to another.

Merlin then has to have some kind of hope of realigning the rails imo.
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>>4735842
In my defense, their names are really fucking similar.
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>>4735844
Charismatic, unashamedly evil characters are endearing, especially when they shit and piss about failing to become a beast because they don't love humans enough to ascend despite otherwise succeeding in every plan he laid out.
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>>4735845
Harpe is pretty much a Divine Construct that belonged to Hermes, but EMIYA is stated able to trace that too by Nasu himself iirc.
Basically, what Shirou can and cannot trace is basically up to the current writer, and if you feel like it, he can trace Ig-Alima.

>>4735844
>Carnwennan
Have we ever seen a picture of it IRL in Fate?
If not, then he'll have to trace it from seeing it within Saber's dreams.
>Crocea Mors
Yes
>Teardrop Photon Ray
>Prototype Divine Construct
No.
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>>4735855
Harpe is literally made of Adamantine. It's an actual Divine metal that doesn't exist. Nasu a shit sometimes.
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>>4735854
It's weird how Kiara can bypass that by only recognizing herself as a Human and Douman can't glitch past it baka.

Also I don't think we love Humanity enough to be a Beast, unless its something like NPCs don't count and only people we recognize as "characters" do.
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>>4735856
Adamantine is soldified Theos Kilronomia/NANOMACHINES, so we know what it is.
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>>4735857
>It's weird how Kiara can bypass that by only recognizing herself as a Human

>only people we recognize as "characters" do.

NPCs aren't human, remember? We'll even be teaching our daughters that.
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>>4735858
The nanomachines are Orochalcium though? Did Nasu make them one and the same?
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and discord mods are just unfinished spheres of flesh
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>>4735860
It's in Odysseus' profile iirc. The Aigis/Troyan Horse armored in Aigis has Adamant.

Aigis is described very similarly to how Poseidon's mana shield/conceptual defense works, and it's "Divine Steel" is thus also probably similar to Greek God stuff, so Kilronomia.
I don't think it was explicitly stated but very implicated.
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You know, if EMIYA can trace Harpe, you'd think he would've used it to stab Heracles with.
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So should we ask for a sub-vote for swords now?
Or we passed the opportunity?
>>4735849
>>4735852
So we can assume Merlin wants Notes. to happen no matter what?
And weird ever growing timeline is a nightmare scenario to him and he is willing to risk total annihilation to prevent it.
>>4735854
>>4735857
>>4735859
If we go full grand strategy or civ management we might fully qualify for "love humans" aspect.
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>>4735862
His stuff is probably a hybrid of the two then. Adamantine plates with the nanomachine fluid linking them together.
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>>4735864
Notes is a failed timeline. Age of Will is beyond/better than Notes. Like how Extra timeline>everyone dying to Tiamat but its still not just right, just because its further up the timeline.

Also, can our Shirou trace Vulcano Caligorante? Vulcano can traps Gods so might fuck Orochi, was made by a Giant technically.
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>>4735864
Love of Humanity (4X Player Edition)
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>>4735861
>Be Discord mod
>Approach little girl
>SPHERE'd
>or SPLATed
>or SENT TO A LITERAL HELL DIMENSION
Our daughters are so terrifyingly cute.
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>>4735865
I halfway think it's just a part of Athena's actual body/corpus used as armor.

Divine Corpus Boundary Field
"Originally a Conceptual Defense [rendered] by the hand of the Gods, which might be thought of as something akin to a potent bounded field, Odysseys was by the ardent favor of the Goddess Athena let as a special exception to clad himself with such — [expressed] in the capacity of a physical 『armor』.
Ergo, an invincible armor of adamant (shinkou, "divine steel"), borne of a Conceptual Defense."
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>>4735873
Also, it using it on the Trojan Horse turned it into a giant mecha, so its gotta be something weird.
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>>4735855
Did we see Caster Arturia in life? She uses Carnwennan amongst others as thaumaturgical focuses. I think her animation has it if it counts.
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>>4735876
Her banner hit August 10 2020. That's after the July..? cutoff date when the quest started and IsekaiShinji was pulled into the TM universe so I think not unfortunately
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>>4735884
Looking at Castoria, I wonder if her existence accidentally uber-buffed Saber Heracles.

She uses Marmyadose, the mythological sword of Heracles. Except, it's a Mythological Mystic Code said to be equal to Excalibur in the degree of combat power expressed.

Now what is a Mythological Mystic Code? You may know them as what Extra stuff was translated as Regalia, you know the stuff that let Gilgamesh go like 5000xFTL or let others BTFO full Potnia Theron BB, and granted administration of the Moon Cell.

I wonder if this actually means what I think it means.
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>>4735884
Although the announcement and preview videos happened July 19-20th, so if that was pre quest start date he may have seen Marmydose the giant sword staff that exceeds Excalibur apparently. Her early Ascension staff is Caliburn but as a staff. If he saw her attack animations then he saw Carnwennan and Spumador but wouldn't know them by name as that would have taken a few days for her mats to be translated.

The problem is Shinji wouldn't know what it is, only it's design. Shirou might be able to gather it's specs from looking upon the memory of the image though.

>he Mythological Mystic Code Marmyadose. The gigantic staff that Artoria carries in her Third Stage Ascension is a large sword that was forged by the God of Fire and given to great heroes.
>It is said that this sword exceeds Excalibur in power alone, and during times when King Arthur would lend Excalibur to Gawain, she used this large sword as a substitute.

Technically a sword, possibly traceable? Could also just ask for a dive to the heart between Shirou and Saber to flick through her whole armoury in her memories. Touko has elected to not stay at the base though.

Imagine needing 3 attempts for one post. apebrain hours
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>>4735886
Castoria is absurd. Utilises nearly her whole armoury + dragon core as a mage. Is a better mage than Merlin, stole Vivian's protections from cuckalot so she has absurd luck. I can't imagine she lost her Instincts, it likely became closer to Clairvoyance as a Caster. We'll get her full info come LB6.

As of now she was released over a full year before LB6 will happen. the absolute state of current FGO.
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>>4735890
Let me do some big brain theorycrafting.
Arthur in myth gets Marmyadose from Rience/Ryons afaik, who is referred to as a King of North Wales, Ireland and many islands.

This makes me think that like how Durindana becomes Durandal, Marmyadose is actually also Claiomh Solais or something really out there based on "many islands", because islands left the Age of Gods later.

This could be kind of explanation for its absurd nature? It's some kind of composite mythic sword maybe.
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>>4735892
>Merlin is a better swordfighter than Arturia
>Arturia is a better magus than Merlin
These two, honestly.
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>>4735898
I guess we won't be dueling Merlin with our Sword of Truth then.
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>>4735899
Unless we do some absurd Dragonblood+becoming closer to Original Human strat and become absurdly swole, or our RM buffed Sword of Truth cuts through his Excalibur, or something on that level, we'd probably get beaten into nothingness.
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>>4735899
Just duel him with out other "sword" of Truth.
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>>4735892
Oh and she has a RM similar to Avalon and Satsuki's current one in this quest.

>>4735894
Claíomh Solais is like the precursor to all the mythical British Islands swords of light myths. So Excalibur, Caliburn, Caladbolg, hell it's also a prototype for Lugh's weapons, and even Gae Bolg going off the wikipedia article. It's like a composite weapon comprising almost every single weapon used by a "main character of British Isles mythology"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cla%C3%ADomh_Solais

>>4735899

>>4734244
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>>4735898
https://youtu.be/A2GN_jM1DuI
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>>4735902
We aren't even skilled in swordsmanship. We're just flailing around with our lightsaber. A skilled opponent that can parry or dodge will destroy us, buffs or not.
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I wonder if, after we have some free time we could try an exteriment where Shirou or Redman inside UBW with some Truth reinforcement to the RM is able to amalgamate all of their British Isles weaponry into a scuffed Claíomh Solais forge attempt similar to Muramasa trying to forge the Kusanagi? It's a long shot but it might just mirror using the Jewelled Sword to go after Dark Sakura at the end of HF using this meme weapon to bonk Manaka. Sprinkle in the memories of every British Isles hero we have still alive to try and force something to happen?

>>4735904
I'm sure Morgana would Hero Creation over every single form of Instinct, EoTM etc. type ability to help us wing it. Watching Merlin get destroyed by an amateur would be shlick material for her.
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>>4735902
What is Satsuki's current one like? I don't remember at all.

Also, if Excalibur can be made from the wishes and hopes of all humanity inside the Inner Sea of the Star, then Marmyadose can be Claiomh Solais imo. Would explain how its combat power is better than Excalibur, otherwise I guess Vulcan's magitech is just that good? Greek science is best in the world.

Tenuous connections are the lifeblood of all Nasu stuff. Like how Medusa's eyes are called Cybele which is a reference to an Anatolian Goddess of Fertility (amongst others). Who is also Anatolian? Catalhoyuk. Retcons or foreshadowing? Who knows.

This led to theories I saw that Medusa was growing and not remembering Velber because as a representation of a cultural sphere she's completely different Divinity and actually matures/cannot encompass perfection at all and is born later, not from a natural phenomenon of the planet but of humans, as opposed to her sisters who are also born from human wishes, but are "set".

Lots of tenuous speculation in this post of course, but you get the idea? I feel like wild speculation is correct more often than not, or it just falls short of what truly absurd thing is happening next.
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>>4735906
Hero Creation is Servant only, remember?
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>>4735910
I keep forgetting. nvm

It's almost like FGO's in battle effects of Garden of Avalon, it's a space of healing and protection that also massively buffs everyone inside it. I wish WhatIs would put her in the pastebin spreadsheet. I want to include her in plans but I cba tracking down her stuff from like 10 threads ago to work out how to theorycraft her into plans.
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>>4735913
>I wish WhatIs would put her in the pastebin spreadsheet
Would be nice to get charsheets for everyone whose abilities we know about, not just ourselves, servants and beasts. That was one of the reasons I left her behind in The Plan, the other being that I want to see the mentorship relationship she has with Arcueid grow stronger.
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>>4735916
It's hard to compare things like Lugh etc to a servant with stat letters so leave them as ? or a ballpark STR: >C in those areas I guess?

More jannie work for WhatIs though
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>>4735918
>more stat sheets.
No you don't understand the pain that I'm currently going through.
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>>4735918
Only stat I know for things like Arcueid and Lugh is the "Regression to the Age of Gods" rank, which is basically the "depth" and "potency" of the history they can recreate regarding magecraft, which replaces their circuit ranks in some mats I think?

Basically how far back/What kind of mystery they can reproduce and how potent it is. Otherwise its imagination time.
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>>4735919
Around 14 stat sheets?
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>>4735311
>>4735315
mhm, very juicy

>>4735324
>Teleport the Archers to better sniping positions before teleporting everyone else involved in the attack at the gates.
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>>4735919
It's a wish not a want, it's only for the most autistic of us don't worry.

You're already QMing for no monetary compensation

We should triple WhatIs' salary of (you)s, it must be the reward he seeks.
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What is Satsuki's RM like right now, if its different than usual?
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>>4735927
It stop all attacks aimed at her and pacify mind of everyone inside of it.
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>>4735927
It's pretty much the opposite of the canon one as a result of our meddling, iirc. A serene Reality Marble that protects and heals her instead of a ruined landscape that drains others.
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If it pacifies the mind, would it work on a Berserk Nero? Or too much unknown/danger or too low powerlevel? I don't remember when it was shown at all sadly.
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>>4735930
We never seen its full potential or enchanted it further. It would do wonders to Alters vs Waver`s group situation though.
>I don't remember when it was shown at all sadly.
After we met with Ciel properly and before Morgan was summoned.
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>>4735930
I don't know. I don't even remember if it pacifies the mind. I thought it was Arcueid who had gotten them to stop fighting. That's why I'd like a charsheet, though WhatIs not writing more of them is perfectly understandable. There's already something like 30 servants in this damn war.
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>>4735930
>>4735934
Oh. And situation implied it and presence of Arc were enough to take fighting spirit out of slightly angry Tiamat-Sakura.
>>4735936
I got that feeling from scene description. It definitely affects those inside of it.
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>>4735940
>>4735940
>>4735940
New thread, go here.
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>>4735948
a (you) for the road



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