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The Grail War continues, and you've reunited two friends.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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Perhaps a map would work? Enkidu's Presence Detection should be more than good enough to effectively discern the position of everyone in the forest. Perhaps their appearances! Though that might be a little too much of a stretch for him to create, at least in a short period of time... and with Merlin purposely obfuscating things, that might just be more than a little bit difficult. Still, you have faith in Enkidu's abilities, just as you're about to go over to the two heroes though, something soft grabs you from behind, you and feel yourself being pulled into a warm embrace by Sakura. "I... I love you too, Onii-chan." She hugs you tightly from behind for a few moments, before she reluctantly lets you go, understanding that things are still dire. While you wouldn't mind spending hours like that, with so much at stake, neither of you can spend the time it would need to figure out your apparently now romantic relationship. Also, for as much as you love Sakura, you... might not be able to let yourself be monopolized by her. After all, it's not just Sakura that your heart seems to yearn for anymore.

When Sakura lets you go, you walk over to the two heroes, who are seemingly chatting amicably with one another, though they stop speaking when you approach, and Enkidu greets you. "Ah! My savior, Gilgamesh was just telling me about you." Enkidu gives you a respectful bow, that you weren't really expecting. Gilgamesh doesn't follow along with Enkidu's gesture, of course, but he does smile at you, which unnerves you. "I need to thank you for the ability that you granted me too, now nothing shall be able to separate me from my dear friend again." Enkidu creeps a little closer to Gilgamesh.

"I'm glad that you're happy with the results, Enkidu." You smile at the beautiful green haired man. "Would you mind if I asked you for a favor?" You wonder just how Enkidu is planning to make use of the gift of Liberation that has been granted to him.

"A favor?" Enkidu tilts his head at you slightly, wondering just what it is that you could want from him.

"That's right, I understand that you've got a powerful ability to detect the presences of other people, correct?" You already know that he has the ability, you're more just asking to gauge whether or not he'd actually be willing to help you or not by using it, which considering the circumstances, would be tremendously irritating if he didn't.

"Yes, that's right, do you want me to discern the locations of your enemies for you?" Enkidu asks you really quite earnestly, it seems that he's eager to please you, and even Gilgamesh doesn't seem to mind all too much. Guess he's just that grateful for all that you've done for him, in fact, if you asked him, he'd probably actually agree to accepting you as a friend, especially if Enkidu didn't raise any complaints. Though now isn't really the time for that.
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"Not quite, I want to know if you will could use your abilities to make a map out of the surrounding area, like... of the forest? With clay figures representing the Servants that you could detect. You can detect their appearances to some degree too, right? That might help me figure out who we're up against here."

"I can do something like that, yes, Shinji." Enkidu quickly turns around and places a palm on the floor. As he closes his eyes. "Give me a few minutes to create it though, you're asking for quite a lot from me..." Enkidu quickly gets to work.

"So, Gilgamesh, what exactly happened with Enkidu? Do you know how he was summoned here? Also, shouldn't you bring Ayaka back as well? It might be an idea to form a proper contract with her, as a magus, her abilities aren't the greatest, but it would be better to have somebody providing you with magical energy, wouldn't it? It would also allow you to get better acquanited with her, I'm sure."

"Hmmph, you might be correct about that, Outsider. And as for Enkidu... I believe that he was summoned by the girl in the grail, as a trap to kill me with. She knew that I wouldn't flee from Enkidu, even if it ended up costing me my life." Gilgamesh is oddly taking a moment of self-reflection. "The girl would never have been as much of a threat if I simply destroyed the Holy Grail ten years ago. Even if she would have still attempted to invade this world, she wouldn't have had such free access to a near limitless reserve of Magical Energy, and she wouldn't have been able to enslave All the World's Evil to her own will either." Wow, guess that means that Gilgamesh really has seen the error of his ways then? Being around Enkidu really does chill him out, doesn't it? "Also, you're definitely correct about your other suggestion, I think it's about time that I took a Master again after Kirei was killed." Gilgamesh doesn't sound at all bothered by Kirei's death, then again, why would he? Enkidu is here now, and he obviously likes Enkidu and Ayaka far far more than he likes Kirei. You don't doubt that if they asked him, Gilgamesh would give Enkidu or Ayaka any treasure they wished from his treasury.

A portal suddenly opens in the air, and Ayaka falls out of it, into Gilgamesh's arms. "Eep!" She makes a surprised noise as she falls into the arms of the King of Heroes, but then another portal opens, and another figure falls through it. Namely, the hooded SHIKI.

"Outsider, while I appreciate that you were concerned for the safety of Ayaka, I don't appreciate being stalked and observed from a distance." Gilgamesh looks down at the fallen SHIKI. "Also, I suggest you ensure that you train your spies better in the future. Immortality is no excuse for a lack of skill." The King of Heroes frowns at SHIKI, who quickly gets up, and upon noticing the presence of Shiki, still sitting atop Alítheia, who has now landed, and looking very confused by everything that has been happening around him, stays silent.
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Gilgamesh then proceeds to put Ayaka down on the floor before he reaches a hand into the Gate of Babylon, grabbing what seems to be a small red sphere of energy, and handing it to Ayaka. "W-what's this?" The girl hesitates for a moment as she reaches out to take the orb. She still doesn't seem to know what to make of the overly forceful Gilgamesh, but she doesn't seem to dislike being in his presence. She's wearing her glasses at the moment, you wonder how she feels about Gilgamesh breaking her original set.

"A set of command spells condensed into a physical form." Gilgamesh explains just as the girl takes hold of the orb, which disappears in a flash of light the moment she grabs it. "There we go, now you're my Master, Ayaka." Gilgamesh has a smile on his face, he so easily just cheated the system by just... grabbing a set of Command Spells from the Gate of Babylon. What a damn cheater that he is, then again, considering that your capabilities with Truth are just as varied as Gilgamesh's with the Gate of Babylon, maybe you shouldn't judge.

[Status Updated!]

You look around to see Enkidu's progress, and are pretty amazed to see that already he had managed to create a perfect microcosm of the forest itself. The map is fairly large, and you watch as the finishing touches are done to the map, as the last of the clay figurines seems to form. You look at the map, soon finding the groups that are supposed to represent you and your allies, noticing the Mordred figurine. The detailing is just about enough to work out who she is, but that's mostly thanks to her armor being so distinct.

You look at the unfamiliar group of clay figures on the map of the forest first, looking at the larger group of that seems to slowly be making its way towards the Einzbern Castle's ruins. It's larger than you had first thought, consisting of 11 people. A man wearing a suit, a hooded girl, a girl with hair bunched in drills, a smaller boy without many distinguishing features, a gruff looking man wearing sunglasses, another small girl and... God damn it. This is Waver's group! What the hell is he doing in the forest? You look at the Servants instead. Of those, you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak, a somewhat tall woman with a long blade, a man with oriental looking armor and a bow, another man with armor, though this one has a blade. Another man with a cloak and... no shirt. Six Masters and five Servants. Looks like Enkidu wasn't capable of seeing through Assassin's Presence Concealment from this far away.
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Still, with the rough appearances of that faction in mind, you begin to look around the rest of the forest to find the other enemy Servants. Finding them isn't all that difficult, thanks to Enkidu pointing them out to you. First off he shows you two swordsmen, one of them is obviously Siegfried, as you had already guessed, while the other is wearing full armor, not much help. Next you are pointed to a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform. Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail. You don't get much time to figure out who it might be before you're pointed to another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman, then one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.

"That's about all of them that I could find in the forest, I couldn't see into the temple though, or underneath the ruined castle, for that matter." Enkidu explains that even he has blind-spots. "And if they had any Assassin's I'd need to be close to detect them, or their presence concealment would need to be awfully low."

"Thank you, Enkidu. I want to ask both you and Gilgamesh a question now." You really would appreciate being able to get these two on side for dealing with Orochi. Working together, there is very little that they couldn't do. Even slaying the greatest of all Divine Beasts was possible for the two of them as a team. "Can I count on your assistance in dealing with Yamata-no-Orochi?"

"Of course, Outsider. My Clairvoyance may have been sealed from me by the machinations of the girl with the backing of the grail, but it can still function in occasional flashes if the events occurring are great enough. Events such as the creation of a Beast... or at least the creation of one on the edge of becoming a true Beast" Gilgamesh crosses his arms. "I had originally planned to come to this forest to destroy the Beast, actually, but I was... distracted by Enkidu's presence." Understandable. "It would be a pleasure to assist you in the destruction of this Snake God." Gilgamesh frowns. Seems he understands the direness of the situation. He's only giving Sakura a wide birth, it looks like the idea that there is a human being with the capability to control the power of Tiamat has really managed to... unnerve him.

>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
>"Actually, Enkidu can you give me some more information on one of the figures? You only did a quick glance at them for their appearances, right? Can you give me more information on... (Which figures?)
>"Actually, I want to go after somebody else before going after Orochi." (Who?)
>"Can I ask you two to delay the other Servants while I go and deal with Orochi?"
>Write-in...
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>>4747573
>>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Lets go fucking kill Orochi already
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Let's fucking kill Wormpa already, he has long since overstayed his welcome.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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Surprised you guys aren't guessing the figures.
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>>4747573
>He's only giving Sakura a wide birth
Lmao
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>>4747570
>neither of you can spend the time it would need to figure out your apparently now romantic relationship
it took 10 years to be in a relationship with Sakura and it took Shirou less than a week to lose his v card and get engaged with Saber. He's simply on another level

>After all, it's not just Sakura that your heart seems to yearn for anymore
manwhore Shinji
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Before anything else I have to share the good news

"That what until now we haven't yet awakened; the Great War Vessel —"
"Its name be as the Settsu-Shiki Oo-Gusoku Kumano."
"A fragment of a vast vessel from a shore far distant what here drifted."

Not even in Japan can you escape the Greek Mechachads
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>>4747573
>>>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
I hope Ayaka has more time to shine, and Shiki too.
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>>4747589
Blame Kintoki and the Douman Singularity/Lostbelt
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>>4747573
>woman with a spear and a dragons tail
LIZ?!

also
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747573
>a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Looks like we are adding Vritra to our team.

>Write-in...
>>Contact Medea and ask her how things went with Chiyome and Ishtar
>Inform Gilgamesh and Enkidu about it, they might be interested...
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>>4747572
>you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
ITS FUCKING PERSEUS, or maybe not, considering the mask is supposed to hide him unless you see him directly

>somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Raikou?

>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Tawara?
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>>4747591
I have and will continue to hate Nasu's attempt to appeal to /m/
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>You must go on to defeat the forces of Yamata-no-Orochi, as well as those who oppose him.
We will fight them one way or the other.
It is either give Orochi an opening to eat some more Servants but have Gil and Enkidu for a fight or have Gil and Enkidu delay other group so we have more intimate fight.
You could argue for either idea. But having ability to chain Orochi for Shiki to do his job seems smarter.
>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747582
>a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Most likely Phantom of the Opera
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
This can be... Anyone. Raikou? Okita Alter? Altera? Suzuka?
>man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Tawara Touta?
>short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform. Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Nobu and Liz
>small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her
Castoria and Gwyn? Medea Lily and Circe? Loli Vinci-chan and Mashu
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>>4747602
Gil's chains should absolutely hold Orochi, they aren't unbreakable but at the level of Godhood Orochi is at, they may as well be
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
Alright. Map did its job and we didn't waste any time.

>>4747582
Patience. It was only ten minutes.
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>a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak

>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade

>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow

>another man with armor, though this one has a blade

>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt

>Siegfried

>the other is wearing full armor, not much help

> a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform

> tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail

>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman

>one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.


Time to get to work.
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>>4747596
Man with mask and cloak could be Assassin Kerry
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>>4747609
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt
LEONIDAS
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>>4747606
>>small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her
It's a fighting staff.
This one is a very easy guess, considering you already know who it is.
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>>4747616
WuKong?
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>>4747618
Very likely to be, yes.
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>>4747618
yeah its Wukong
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>>4747619
I forgot you made her a loli

based
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>>4747598
Just for you.
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>>4747619
Munky
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>>4747624
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Hey how would you guys feel about Night of Wallachia just deciding to show up RIGHT NOW?
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>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
QM I would be ever thankful.
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>>4747606
>NOBU
oh god YES please. Been wanting Nobu to show up. Hopefully we can get her to join our side. (Liz too if its actually her)
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wait does anyone remember Waver's team and their rolls? I remember they only had 2 bad rolls and the rest were in the 90s, I think its safe to assume that they have at least 3 top tier servants so a Perseus and a Raikou makes sense, i think the hidden one we could discern might be Li Shuwen since us and Enkidu guessed Assassin as the missing servant and Li Shuwen has some absolute bullshit with his invisibility

>>4747630
don't do this to us man
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>>4747623
Wukong is a shapeshifter, her true form is a stone monkey, who hatched from a stone egg, that was laid by a stone womb, from a stone.
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>>4747630
Hype. Let's recalibrate this phenomenon a bit. We need more allies
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>>4747637
You would seriously be so fucked if TATARI did show up in Fuyuki right now.
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Analysis time: Enkidu really was summoned by Manaka, but it wasn't retaliation for us nabbing her toy. This is good because it means she can't or won't respond to this. This is bad because it means she can summon more help.

We're having Chiyome train SHIKI at first opportunity, this was embarassing.

>Waver's group
>Of those, you can see a man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Has to be Perseus
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Minamoto
>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow,
?
>another man with armor, though this one has a blade.
?
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt.
?
Of note, none of the above should be a Saber, as Sasaki should be part of this group of 7. Unless they hacked the grail to allow overlapping classes, which is not that unlikely. I wonder where Merlin is.

>Orochi's group
>a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform
Nobunaga
>Then to the next clay figure, a tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail.
Vritra. The drawfag will be happy.
>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman
?
>a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.
Goddamnit Sun, why are you dragging your Master to the middle of the battlefield?

Also, I am a very happy Sakurafag today.
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>>4747635
You think its Redline Nobu?
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>>4747643
Dunno if it is but it’d be fucking cool if it was Redline Nobu
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>>4747643
>>4747648
Nobu in Japan is fucking busted man we're in for a real fight
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>>4747642
>We're having Chiyome train SHIKI at first opportunity, this was embarassing.
You really thought paranoid Gilgamesh of all people wouldn't notice he was being tailed?
SHIKI may have confused "Not being noticed" with "Not being considered relevant enough to react to."
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>>4747589
Going by this, you aren't using Ibuki and Orochi from canon, right? Since Ibuki was fucking retardedly busted, even compared to this Orochi.
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>>4747653
i was surprised he didn't throw a sword at him for tailing him
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>>4747653
No, I certainly expected Gilgamesh to have noticed and not cared. It was still embarrassing.
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>man wearing a mask and a tattered cloak
Perseus
>a somewhat tall woman with a long blade
Raikou
>a man with oriental looking armor and a bow
Somebody who hates someone from our group, probably friend of Raikou
>another man with armor, though this one has a blade
Gawain
>Another man with a cloak and... no shirt
Leonidas
>the other is wearing full armor, not much help
Vortigern
>a somewhat short looking figurine, wearing what looks like a relatively modern looking military uniform
Nobu
>tall woman with a spear and a dragons tail
Vritra
>another figure wearing armor, but this one very much a woman
Nero
>one last set of a small girl with a staff and a girl following close to her.
Wukong

And hidden Assassin is Li Shuwen.
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>>4747657
You've not seen half of what Orochi can do yet, he's been toying with you.
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>>4747658
What's the point?
Gilgamesh realized he was an immortal, so he'd just be wasting his time and the time of the person trailing him.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
It's likely Raikou, but I can dream dammit. Plus qm said he might add a gyaru.
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Are you people seriously not going to check over how the operation with Chiyome went? Wasn't Alcides key to taking down Orochi?
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>>4747661
Cu seems like the odd man out if none of the servants here are his rival or enemy but everyone else got theres, I'm kinda expecting one of them to be Fergus, if not, we gotta summon Scathach with Flat's bullshit for that grudge match
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>>4747666
We'll get Vritra, don't worry.

>>4747667
They'll contact us when it's over. The last thing they need is for us to be distractring them in the middle of the operation.
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"


>>4747635
Guess I know who will be the next ruler of Japan.
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>>4747662
That actually makes a lot of sense. Ibuki is called a Great Keshou and a God on the level of Lostbelt Zeus. Great Keshou Tamamo BTFOs 100 Heroic Spirits and Lostbelt Zeus is self-explanatory.

Regarding Ibuki's Kusanagi, it is said that a faint glimmer of its strength destroyed 8 Mountains and carved 8 Valleys and Rivers. Fucker mogged a Fantasy Tree casually.

I expected some bullshit from Orochi so its not a surprise in that direction. Just have to get ready to bust some mountains and landscapes.

Fucking RIP secrecy if we're doing mythology scale battles
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>>4747667
We're supposed to get an interlude plus we sent like 10 people to deal with it
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It's not Raikou y'all. Raikou is 5'10, a head taller than Shinji himself, and one of the tallest women in the Nasuverse, and the description said that it's a *somewhat* tall woman. That woman is most likely Okita Alter, who's usually really short but gains 3 inches due to her weird platform boots.
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>>4747642
Do we see what kind of armor it is? European plate? Japanese?
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>>4747675
Why is everyone a manlet
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>>4747675
>5'10
>one of the tallest women in the Nasuverse
just kill me now
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>>4747678
Tall women intimidate the Japanese.
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>>4747676
I assume European, it'd have been specified if it Japanese. As it was for the others.

>>4747678
Japan
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"

If it is Okita Alter then that means Alaya is entering Counter Guardians now
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>>4747679
Well, there's always Kingprotea.
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>>4747685
She's the tallest servant AND the fastest servant.
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>>4747662
I hope it will be fun at least.
>>4747667
>Wasn't Alcides key to taking down Orochi?
That was Shiki.
Alcides was extra help to hold him down. Now we have Gil and Enkidu.
>>4747675
Okita Alter would be really nice gift from Alaya to us so I am not counting on it.
>>4747670
Aife is here too, remember?
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>>4747685
And Bunyan (though her actual height and size are inconsistent due to them always changing)
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>>4747685
Being a giant doesn't count, she's not tall proportionally.
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>>4747688
I completely forgot about her, mostly cause she showed up once and then left
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>>4747688
Speaking of gifts from Alaya. When this is over, we should convince her to give us EMIYA and TOHSAKA.
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>Lancer Artoria towers over a lot of servants.
>She's 1.70m
Jesus Christ I'm a short and I'm taller than her.
How short are Shinji and Shirou?
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>>4747692
Well there's always Quetz, who is either 181cm tall or 188cm tall, depending on whether you're using the Game or the Materials Book.
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>>4747703
Shirou is 167cm and Shinji gained 2 cm here for some reason and is 169cm
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Japanese man with bow is probably Touta.

Japanese man with sword could be Yagyu Munenori?
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>>4747703
Shirou just hasn't finished growing.
He'll be 187cm tall when he's done.
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>>4747693
It must suck to be Aife, she's only here so Alan can count as a Master.
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>>4747709
Yo wait, what if it's fucking male Musashi
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>>4747685
The battle of the OSF and Orochi's forces is between us and the castle, right? I'm thinking we should strafe them and have Obeith use her Noble Phantasm to turn the tide of battle.

Also, guys, we didn't see Paracelsus anywhere. I BET Orochi has him helping with whatever it is he's doing. What would he need an Alchemist or the Philosopher's Stone for?

>>4747707
>for some reason
Better nutrition and exercise
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>>4747704
We're using the Materials Book and summoning Quetz or so help me I will samefag spam into all the dead ends if we don't get a tall mommy servant gf.
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Abby is taller than Nero
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>>4747710
Time to grind for that Self-Modification at very least.
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Fuck now I want Male Musashi so Sasaki can get his rival and he can beat the shit out of everyone with a boat oar
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>>4747713
It's all the nutrition bars you keep eating off panel.
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Oh shit, I just realised. Sun was with Orochi's group. Chiyome got her Master with the mind control poison.
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>>4747715
>if we don't get a tall mommy servant gf.
Gorgon and Raikou exist
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>>4747685
she is adorable
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>>4747713
Philosopher's Stones are fucking versatile. Even disregarding the cosmic assloads of magic based on it, its basically magic soul quantum computronium
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>>4747573
>"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alitheia's back right?"
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>>4747710
isnt EMIYA 190cm or something? Shirou gets tall as fuck.
>>4747722
ah, we should her about it after she finishes.
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Did the drawfag ever finish the fairy saber pic?
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>>4747728
I guess magecraft makes you keep growing, Kirei somehow got taller from FZ to FSN
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>>4747723
i just told you raikou is a 5'10 barely above average femoid and gorgon is an actual womanlet.
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>>4747731
Yeah, check the previous tread.
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>>4747734
And yet they're both taller than Shinji
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>>4747737
i blame 16th century jap manlet wormpa genes.
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>>4747738
isnt this just the rough draft?

its fine if he just does this, it looks good.
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Praying for Okitalter and her stupid shoes.
I love them.
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>>4747740
Well if history is any indication Shinji is gonna keep growing and become slightly taller than EMIYA when he reaches his 30s
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Also, should we just go kill orochi? I dont want to let him perform yet another magic bullshit to fuck us.
And we have motivated gilgamesh with us.
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At this point I just ignore canon sizes entirely because I cannot conceptualize a world where all the great conquerors of antiquity are shorter than me.
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>>4747745
Oh yeah thats a long ass sword. It's probably her.
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>>4747748
I say we strafe the battle real quick. A little bombing and Obeith's Noble Phantasm should turn it into a rout and it should be on our way.
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>>4747748
Yes, just fucking kill him, throw everything we can at him, he's most certainly gonna target Gil though so we should be careful
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>>4747749
Glorious nippon has short people, so for the japanese its hard to think someone that has 175cm as "normal" because of that they made everyone small because its the average for then.
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>>4747745
Love her shoes.
>>4747748
We need to hold him long enough for Shiki with shroud to slash his Death Points. Preferably killing Orochi`s soul.
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>Buffed beyond all belief Enkidu
>Motivated Gil who actually buffed himself for the fight
>Fairy Queen of Dragons Artoria who can buff everyone
>Tiamat-Sakura
>Shiki and SHIKI
>Alitheia
>Chad Second Magician Kaleido Rin

yeah no wormpa is as good as dead
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I think the moment Alcides comes roaring back, we get him to spam Hydra tipped arrows at Orochi, he's completely fucked at that point regardless of it does damage or not, he won't be able to think things clearly anymore and complete whatever dumb shit ritual he's going for
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>>4747748
>And we have motivated gilgamesh with us.
This vastly improves our odds. Especially with his boyfriend right next to him.
I do hope Chiyome gets Ishtar quick, so her and Alcides can help us. They're perfect against orochi.
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>>4747762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yyAgk9der4
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Som next interlude before the next update?
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>>4747762
I think we're still in the early stages of the Orochi fight, given how stupidly HUEG his powerlevels should be.
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>>4747768
Yes.
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>>4747771
if gilgamesh decides to ea gg he is quite fucked.
we need to bind him to attack all of him.
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>>4747779
If he uses Ea on a high enough setting yea, otherwise I can see Orochi surviving or even blowing it away. It doesn't just have a "Ea does this much", otherwise every use would end the World basically.
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>>4747779
I'm sure it won't be nearly as easy. Remember, how many times we've already avoided something worse than a dead end with a write-in, and remember we're not even in the main battle yet. Overconfidence will get us worse than killed.
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>Class: Archer
>Master: Ayaka Sajyou
>True Name: Gilgamesh
>Height: 182cm
>Weight: 68kg
>Alignment: Chaotic Good

Gil finally has his page. I guess he trusts us now?
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>>4747772
Nice.
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>>4747783
Also it's a bad idea to ask Gil to use Ea, he has a good opinion of us, let's not ruin that
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>>4747784
I am somewhat disappointed it's not an ascii of him dabbing on us.
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>>4747787
That too, yes. We should remember that he is the only one we cannot order around and expect it to go well.
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>>4747787
We should ask him to unveil his strongest Noble Phantasm. The one that is sure to win any battle in which it is used.
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Gonna be extremely funny when Tamamo or Shuten call us husband in front of Sakura and she yells at them
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>>4747787
Just play chinese whispers and ask Enkidu to ask him to use Ea
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>>4747783
Also, yeah definitely don't get overconfident. Worst case scenario reading is that Orochi (specifically Ibuki who is basically Orochi, or at least has a Tamamo-Amaterasu like connection?) being Lostbelt Zeus level existence is that power levels somewhat parallel.

Given that Zeus at 35% with most of his Anti-Concept, Anti-Spacetime, Anti-Planet shit sealed was equalling Killsat Artemis who is by herself Anti-Planet, even tho usually she just deleted islands.

This is not that absurd for Orochi if we take the stated power of Kusanagi at face value, where a fraction (or glimmer) carves 8 mountains into valleys and rivers.

Basically, if we expect the worst case scenario we are definitely going to be doing some hardcore landscaping, even if we stack Anti-Divine shit from Gil's vault and Enkidu+Alcides+Shiki 4

This is the most pessimistic reading, but it should be kept in mind that if its easier than this, we should definitely give thanks. Based on canon, so unknown amount of changes are expected of course etc. Just here for a reminder.
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>>4747787
Not ask him, just him using it, remember that he came here to kill orochi.
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>>4747795
>"Gil, I need you to make Orochi a girl. I know you have NP for this. Trust me, it will work!"
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>>4747798
Yk, I forgot that Enkidu is Gil without the baggage and that he'd be more than willing to listen
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>>4747803
I mean, there's a way to do that.
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>>4747662
This activated my paranoia.
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>>4747797
One problem at a time. First we save the world from Orochi, then we save it from the Shinjibowl going nuclear.

>>4747801
I don't think Orochi will be THAT strong, but we should definitely be at the top of our game at all times or we'll get half our allies killed without dead-ending.
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>>4747803
>>4747809
This could work. If we turn Orochi into a female then Wormpa wouldnt be able to stop himself from stuffing her cunt full of worms.
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>>4747809
Have Shuten vore her Saint Graph and assimilate it? They are like the same thing in different stages.
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Fall of a Goddess
Interlude Start


"Jason! Complete your Noble Phantasm!"

The girl calls out, and Chiyome braces herself for an attack... Only for nothing to happen. The Noble Phantasm does indeed activate, and the vessel fully turns into a whole new boat, however... No Servants are summoned, and Chiyome completes her descent, landing atop the tiny girl and placing her hand on her forehead without encountering any resistance from the two Servants. While the tattooed man looks very much aware of her attack, she doesn't have a weapon drawn, so could it be that he's realized she has no hostile intent towards the girl?

She can feel the curse of the goddess upon the girl begin to break apart just from a single touch, but before she can properly exorcise the entire divine curse from the girl, she is thrown off with superhuman strength. "Guh... I don't know who the hell you think you are, Assassin, but if you think you can break my control over th-" The girl's face suddenly contorts in pain. "Avenger! Help her! Restrain me!" Red patterns of light erupt in a flash all over the girl's body twice in a row as the unwilling host of the goddess orders her Servant to assist her.

The tattooed man needs no command spells to assist Chiyome, and rapidly moves towards the goddess, grabbing her firmy with his two arms and preventing her from moving a muscle. "-Nnnh! You dare defy me, you little worm?! I'll make the people you care about suffe-" Chiyome, having heard enough from the goddess, clasps her hand over her mouth, preventing her from sullying the tongue of her lord's friend any further, and at the same time, she draws forth the sealing bottle.

The goddess inhabiting the girl begins to struggle madly to escape the grip of Alcides, trying her hardest to utter a command spell, but with Chiyome's hand preventing her from uttering a word, is quite unable to accomplish such a thing. The curse of the goddess is exceptionally strong, but merely the first touch shook her control of the girl enough that she was capable of taking back control of her body temporarily

With her power over curses, finally fully breaking the curse the goddess has over the girl is somewhat simple when she maintains contact with her for ten seconds, but instead of forcing the curse to dissolve entirely, Chiyome draws the now mostly inert curse from the body of the girl, raising the bottle and allowing the sentient energy that made up the goddess to flow inside of it. The process is done in only 10 seconds, and the girl's head slumps to the side, the tattooed man immediately loosens his grip on the girl when the goddess is gone. The girl is asleep, it seems. The effort of having a goddess purged from her system was too much.

"Is she... going to be OK?" The tattooed man asks her, at this point he's definitely realized that they are allies.
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>>4747812
I mean...That is how strong Ibuki/Orochi was in canon, so that's what I'm going off of. Explicitly a Lostbelt (5th Apocryphal Belt) Zeus level existence, the Kusanagi is described but it cut a Fantasy Tree which pins a Texture, and she was called the greatest Dragon of Calamity. It could be weaker...I guess? for some reason.
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"I cannot say, the curse was exceptionally powerful, after all. She wasn't lying when she said she was almost finished absorbing the girl. I did what I could to reverse the absorption process, but until the girl awakens, the long term effects of this possession on the girl's mind shall be unclear." She raises the bottle to look at it. She really hopes that her lord appreciates the gift, it was unrequested of her to do something like this, but somehow she feels like her lord will appreciate it. Especially seeing as even if the girl is missing some aspects of her personality, it should theoretically be possible to magically dissect this curse to retrieve them. "Now, we should return to his base of operations." She had originally had a signal she was supposed to give to the rest of her allies to begin the attack if she was to run into trouble, but it wasn't needed after all. She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.

Interlude Out.
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>>4747797
The Beauty of Trouble with Women
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hm, should have voted for the castle
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>>4747824
Orochi has unknown Noble Phantasms, and if he wants, he can have every single one of his physical attacks made from each of his eight heads and eight tails be equal to A+++ Anti-Country Attacks
There may however be a reason that he hasn't just destroyed Asia yet.
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>>4747826
>She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.
BEST NINJA
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>>4747826
We're putting Ishtar into a human puppet of Rin and removing any magic or divinity she has. Now BB has a clone friend.
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>>4747823
>>4747826
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>>4747826
Based Chiyome
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>>4747826
>She really hopes that her lord appreciates the gift
This is gonna be extremely fucking fun


>She hoped that her lord would be proud of her.
We should do something nice for her
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>>4747835
Human puppet of her original form, I'd say. After we dissect her for whatever she took from Illya. I hope her soul can feel pain.
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>>4747835
Nah I don't wanna put her into a Rin puppet body, gonna feel extremely bad having someone that looks like Rin get killed a few hundred times by Alcides, Gil and Enkidu
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>>4747826
>There were people that wanted to kill her when Tamamo restrained her.
BEST NINJA
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>>4747833
Counter Guardian's would get BTFO by him, so I guess he wants to do something like eat all the leylines in Asia or something.
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>>4747842
>>4747843
Yikes you guys are really out to torture the useless goddess huh? I guess she kind of deserves it based on her Strage/Fake personality.
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>>4747839
>We should do something nice for her
From previous Interlude.
>Her lord had given her his orders, and she would see to their completion, no matter what. While she would've liked the opportunity to get to know the man who broke her curse a little better, she also understood the dire circumstances that her lord faced right now. To face the Gods with such confidence, he was truly a special person. Still, it was not the place of a ninja like her to wish for more of her lord's time than was necessary, she would assist him from the shadows, as all ninja should.
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>>4747843
Rinshtar is based. Sadly this one seems to be SF-ish Ishtar.
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>>4747830
The true final boss was the harem we made along the way.
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would being put inside a reality marble cancel any bonus he gets from being in japan?
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>>4747826
Chiyome will definitely be quite high on the list in the next best girl poll.
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>>4747846
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>>4747849
Its true
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>>4747832
>Gareth
A reminder that in his retard rage UNRIVALLED punched her so hard it broke her skull and probably just straight up exploded her head.
What an asshole.
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>>4747846
I don't really want to torture her. I think her serving Illya under some kind of obedience curse would be best. Both for Illya's satisfaction and Ishtar's suffering, as she has to serve the lowly mortal homunculus she sought to overtake instead.

Tbh I don't hate her that much even so to torture her. My hate is weak.
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>>4747846
>>4747848
Ishtarin is based, regular Ishtar deserves it. Don't know if we want to punish her and put her in a different puppet body or just leave her to be Illya's maid and put her in a Rin puppet body
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>>4747848
Rinshtar got more mellow from the Rin influence. Einzbern homunculus Ishtar seems to be her original turbocunt self.
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>>4747860
Eh, you’re probably right, we'll put her in a Rin puppet body and threaten to give her to Gil and Enkidu if she dares act out
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Did she make you proud?

Anyway, going to face Orochi won, right?
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I thought about doing some omega brain scheme and trying to steal Ishtar's Authority of Venus and somehow using it and God's Blessing to try stealing power from the idea of Lucifer as Morning Star(Venus), but that may be too much ambition.

It's better to scheme after the War
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>>4747869
Yes to both.
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>>4747869
Getting on the dragon won. I guess Alitheia is the go to Orochi directly route?
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>>4747869
>spoiler
Oh, yes.

Flying off won, yes. I still say we strafe the battle real quick on the way.
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>>4747869
Yes. I think she in top 5 in terms of strength in our faction right now?
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I think we should also give props to Jason, he did some big brain moves here and pushed Chiyome to victory. We should convince Medea to spare him
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>>4747878
Yeah, definitely. He's a slimy cockroach, but we owe him one.
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>>4747877
She's not really strong, she's mid tier at best, she's just absurdly great in this one avenue, that being curses
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>>4747878
I think Jason did good. I am also of the mind to sacrifice him for the greater good. As an offering for confessing to Sakura first and not Medea. RIP
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>>4747881
Also at being a Ninja, and we don't have anyone else that could possibly fill that role. She's not strong in direct combat, but she's strong in exactly what we were missing.
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>>4747846
Alcides is right. FUCK the gods.
I've yet to see one who wasn't a complete dick.
But fuck Ishtar in particular.
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>>4747882
She'll forgive us, we gutpunched her ex for badmouthing her. But she needs to be next or there will be blood.
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>>4747885
The order ideally should be Medea next, then Tamamo, then probably Satsuki? If we go by order of...safety. Ideally.
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>>4747881
Curses, poisons and everything anti-evil
If her Noble Phantasm is still bunrei she can match just about anyone by using it smart.
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You think we can impose a concept on Jason's ship and make it so it brings in people that are simply related to the Argonauts too? Would love to see Chiron and Achilles

>>4747885
Satsuki crying in the corner
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>>4747884
Quetzalcoatl?
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>>4747885
It was actually a kidney punch, not a gut punch. Far more damaging and painful.
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>>4747891
I mean WE haven't personally seen any.
Isn't she also taking someone else's body like Ishtarin tho?
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We should tell everyone around us to watch out for surprise Li Shuwen just in case. Sphere Boundary is retarded.
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>>4747887
I think we can buy time with Satsuki she already thinks we're a couple
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>>4747896
She is manifesting in the body of someone who has in the past hosted her bacteria godbody. Technically its Ghost Liner like ether-body like a Servant as we see her.
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Ishtar Rin! Ishtar Rin!

Now to give it to Rin and have the kaladeosword buff her base form. I wonder how much she would love a goddess divine core.
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>>4747887
If Sakura and Medea start working together, they'll definitely be able to handle Tamamo. One is immune to magecraft, the other is a better mage than the fox.

We just need to work things out with the two mothers of our daughter, and the Shinjibowl will pretty much resolve itself.

>>4747889
Satsuki route never, ever.
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>>4747903
Kinda don't wanna do that, it might effect her personality and those are some weird implications
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We need to deal with the romance issue right after dealing with Orochi. We should have free time then.
Can't delay it anymore. Sakura, Medea, Tamamo and Shuten have all kissed Shinji already. It'll go real bad if we do nothing.
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>>4747894
Won't make the same mistake again, boss.

>>4747903
Sorry man, Illya gets a new maid. Ideally in Ishtar's form, so we don't feel guilty for bullying her.
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>>4747903
no
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>>4747904
I mean. I am kinda hoping for Tamamo, you see.
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>>4747906
It was said before that Rin wins hands down because she has the kaladeosword.
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>>4747914
I prefer to punish ishtar by putting her powerless inside some container so she can live like a normal human while we, gilgamesh and enkidu bully her for eternity.
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>>4747911
Including the fact that Shinji inner narration said he'd have kissed Tamamo on the mouth himself except it was basically suicide while being surrounded.
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>>4747917
yeah, the fox has to come too.
We need to make our other wifes see the uses a fluffy tail has
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>>4747907
We can't, Manaka is still a problem and she’s likely gonna summon Beast of 666 after we curbstomped Enkidu and brought him over. It's not so bad, Rin and Medusa aren't gonna do anything cause it's Sakura and they want her happiness over their own and Shuten understands the pecking order
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>>4747918
I see you're interested in getting Sakura to want to unseal Self-Modification EX.
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>>4747911
>>4747918
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>>4747916
Or you could put her in the kaladeosword to be trolled and it gives a power up to Rin for the Manaka fight.
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>>4747920
Unbelievably Based.
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>>4747920
touch fluffy tail, it can calm everyone.
>>4747923
i prefer to make her a meido, but thats for later.
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>>4747911
Manwhore Shinji is about to get himself killed
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Ya you guys really messed up by declaring love just because. Should have taken time to introducee them to eachother and get used to eachother before he told her that.

We should introduce Ciel to SHIKI. Both went through the Roa problem so they can be eachother's emotional support.
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>>4747920
Sakura is perfect just the way she is.
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>>4747928
I have made my creed clear to the thread. Total Victory or Total Failure. Only accept 100% Obeitheion certified Hope for Harem Utopia.
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>>4747930
Sakura already thought we were already hers and she constantly seethed when she just thought we were with another woman, may as well go all in
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>>4747920
Yes.
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>>4747932
Autist, I...
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>>4747925
Rather use her for something useful instead of having that power waste just for another useless character. Illya isn't going to want a maid she's going to want murder.
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>>4747930
>We should introduce Ciel to SHIKI
I want Ciel too ya see
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>>4747932
You wouldn't even want her to test her self-modification with a bunch of fluffy tails?
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>>4747938
We'll just have Shishou set her up with respawning puppet bodies. Illya will enjoy tormenting her.

>>4747940
...maybe
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>>4747940
Fluffy tails and a Beastly crown of horns is based.
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>>4747934
No she didn't she was pulling a FSN. She silently rages while watching her love interest hook up with others. Now it's different she has confirmation Shinji is hers.

>>4747939
We don't have the time to prop her up. SHIKI has been through the same situation. They are good for eachother and requires minimal time from Shinji to help.

We don't have time for 13 plus women better to ween off a few.
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>>4747930
Yes lets pawn off the girl who we told that we will fight the entire church in order for her to be free. I'm sure she will accept it easily and nothing bad will happen.
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>>4747950
Would you rather ignore her? Like I said 13 women require a lot of time Shinji doesn't have. Plus we said we'd fight the church for her not marry her. We can still protect her while SHIKI spends time with her. Those options aren't mutually exclusive.
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>>4747940
Experimenting is fun for sure
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>>4747938
illya would love a maid she can get little revenges everyday for eternity, imagine the things she can come with to make suffer, little by little.
>>4747940
it would be fine, i guess, but i prefer sakura with horns.
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>>4747949
It's absolutely different with us, she was able to let go of Shirou when he went with Saber or Rin, she straight up expected us to stay in Fuyuki with her and actually got angry and berated Sacchin when she said we were a couple

>We don't have time for 13 plus women better to ween off a few.
Coward talk
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>>4747955
we will have time for then, if solomon could maintain a lot more i fail to see why cant we.
Of course, this after this current clusterfuck ends.
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>>4747949
>No she didn't she was pulling a FSN
We were in the middle of Heaven's Feel with her after being her anchor for 10 years and getting her out of the rapeworm basement. There was no way she would have been satisfied with silently raging.
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>>4747962
We're a lot like Merlin and Solomon when you think about it
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>>4747964
Thank God we arent as autistic as solomon was.
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>>4747963
She straight up flung BB
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>>4747964
Now we just need to be like Seimei and greentext at our enemies while their plans burn around them.
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>>4747962
If we look at the time skip options I don't think we have enough slots. Maybe we cut down on training and magecraft to keep up.
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>>4747969
>Thank God
Ironic.
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>>4747969
We're still autistic
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>700 wives of royal birth and 300 concubines[1][2]
What the actual fuck, i didnt expect it to be a fucking harem with one thousand people.
Dude really needed God's help.
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>>4747973
Yeah, exactly. Would have done even worse if we hadn't stepped in. She was going to a Dark place while we kept manwhoring.

>>4747978
I imagine some of the girls would rather drop out of the Shinjibowl than accept being #8 or #13 of a harem. It'll be fine.

>>4747981
We're the good kind of autistic though.
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>>4747973
She did that mostly because BB has her face and was being forward with Shinji. Both of those things probably flipped her switch.

If that's Raikou in the forest we gotta give her up. Shuten gonna be pissed if we do somehow get her.
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>>4747969
>we aren’t autistic
Hahaha
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>>4747978
After the War we don't really have a timetable anymore. We can afford to spend years and not speedrunning power for a war.

Ideally we'd become Immortal first and then we can just spend whatever time we want. Asclepius from Jason's boat can make an elixir, can't he?
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>>4747958
Imagine getting to polish and lacquer those horns everyday.
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>>4747984
Y'all really trying suicide by Sakura aren't you.
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>>4747652
Redman stomps Nobu he has no Mystery
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>>4747992
>the horns

Good taste anon
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>>4747989
Assclaps needs gorgons blood to make the elixir luckily we have it.
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>>4747987
We are not the same autism as solomon.
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>>4747995
>"hey archer, go stab the demon king a little, try to not get shoot."
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>>4747994
Alitheia made bigamy inevitable. And if you already have two wives, what's a few more? Sakura and Medea will always be the first two in our heart, but there's plenty of room in there.
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>>4747997
I wonder if one time we're going to blurt out our mind and call someone Assclaps or Redman or Raicow.
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>>4747992
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>>4748003
This, but unironically.

>>4748006
We need to call Merlin futamancer when we berate him.
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>>4747985
Never
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>>4748005
>Sakura and Medea will always be the first two in our heart
That's a bad attitude to have. Ideal is equality in the inner hierarchy, even if the ideal is unrealistic and unachievable.
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>>4748006
Redman wouldnt be that bad, the rest would be hilarious.
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>>4747974
This wasn't just a joke by the way. Seimei in the Douman Singularity doesn't appear, but his speech appears as floating green text as he speaks to and taunts people.
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>>4747869
What a wonderful gift she proved to be. We should thank grandfather for her.

Or maybe not, killing him as cleanly as possible takes priority over petty satisfaction.

In any case, awesome job.
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>>4748006
>call someone Raicow
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>>4748012
As you said, true equality is unattainable. Shuten already accepts Medea's supremacy. The same for Medusa and Sakura. And the harem hasn't even began sorting itself out yet.
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>>4748030
Something something ideals are worth striving for with all your might something something Ever-Distant Harem Utopia.
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>>4748027
If Shiki kills Orochi, grandpa will be all but powerless. We'll have all the time in the world to gloat with a proper Shinji rant.

>>4748034
Live your dream or die trying anon. I'm cheering for you.
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>>4748030
We can at least try to love then all as equally as we can, it don't need to be us giving then the exact same time with us or something.
The best scenario would be they liking each other too so we could do shit like dates with more than one at once.
For a harem to work the girls have to like each other, even if only a little.
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Has qm called already?
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>>4747856
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"Then shall we be off? You two don't mind riding on Alítheia's back right?" You ask the two heroes, who turn to look at the dragon. Enkidu has curiosity in his eyes as he walks up to Alítheia.

"I can arrange my own transport, Outsider, I understand that flight on the back of a Dragon is quite unpleasant for the untrained. I wouldn't want Ayaka to suffer from such things. I shall meet you there with Enkidu at my side." A portal opens up in front of Gilgamesh and he walks through it after grabbing Ayaka's hand and pulling her through.

Enkidu has a perplexed expression as he looks at Ayaka disappear through the portal, before he takes one last look at Alítheia and disappears through it. Enkidu may actually have some competition for Gilgamesh's attention from now on, how very quaint.

"Well, that's about our sign to go ourselves. Gilgamesh won't take very long at all to reach the ruins if he's using the Gate of Babylon as a means of transportation." Really, Gate of Babylon is basically just a cheat Noble Phantasm, even if you disregard the almost unlimited amount of different powers it contains. If Gil felt like it, he could probably even use the portals to Gate of Babylon to steal the Noble Phantasms of his opponents if they are launched as projectiles. Then again, Gilgamesh stealing is pretty much unthinkable.

Everyone clambers atop Alítheia once more. Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin as the magical girl takes to the air after you, before she begins to fly upwards herself. You've picked up SHIKI as an extra passenger now. You're about half of the way to the ruins of the Einzbern Castle, until you get the feeling that something is wrong. Every one of your allies still with you is perfectly fine, but... Something just feels off.

As the ruins of the Einzbern Castle come into view, you can see that your allies have seemingly made it to the ruins, and from this distance, appear wary of Gilgamesh. Though nobody is fighting just yet. Gilgamesh probably could've just offered you to use the Gate of Babylon as a means of transportation but for some reason didn't. Maybe he just assumed that Alítheia was incapable of taking a form small enough to fit through a portal and didn't want to expend the magical energy to create a mansion sized opening?
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>>4748045
Oh, yes. Them not liking each other is definitely unworkable. We shouldn't add anyone in the harem that is not already accepted by everyone else. But a hierarchy is inevitable, and Sakura and Medea rising at the top of it is equally inevitable.
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Just as you're about to command Alítheia to descend to meet up with the rest of your allies, laughter from behind you draws your attention. "So, you're the ones who Orochi wishes to see dead so badly, then?" You turn about to see a girl in a military uniform, with almost a hundred guns surrounding her all pointed at you. "I really must say that I was expecting more. After I leapt atop the back of your dragon, I was expecting to be faced with immediate opposition! Is this really the limit of your tactical ability?" Oda Nobunaga, the Demon King of the Sixth Heaven, has somehow managed to avoid detection from your allies and land on top of Alítheia herself. "Do you have any last words before I carry out your execution?" Nobunaga has a smirk on her face as she threatens you. For some reason you can't get a proper read on her abilities!

>Make a Barrier of Truth, now!
>Command Alítheia to dive using your mental link to her.
>Nudge Sakura.
>Attempt Diplomacy. (Say what?)
>Write-in...
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>>4748045
Well considering that half of them are raging bisexuals I think that'll work out on its own. Fun fact, in a supposed Caster route, she would seduce Rider in order to trap her
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>>4748051
Oh yeah, Rin did kiss fairy saber.
QM, i demand at least a little interlude of that part from rin's perspective.
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>>4748055
That sounds hilarious.
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>>4748053
Aren't you forgetting someone?
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>>4748054
great, more shit throw at us.
why is nobu even following a god even.
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What the fuck? Is this an illusion? How did Nobunaga do it?

>>4748061
I stand by my words.
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>>4748061
arc is old enough to not cause shit without reason.
i hope.
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>>4748063
>why is nobu even following a god even.
Why don't you ask if you want to know that badly?
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>>4748061
Absolutely based implications.
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>>4748054
>write in

Ask her if she’s really going to take orders from a man who shoved worms inside of little girls

Also ask if she’s bored. Of all things, nobu HATES boredom
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>>4748051
>Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin as the magical girl takes to the air after you.
Well, I guess we don-t have to worry about Rin being in the harem anymore.

Also, good for the anon that wanted Nobu. Here's your chance.
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>>4748064
I could tell you, but that would be spoiling it.
So I'll just tell you that when summoned in their own country, those famous enough tend to get more abilities and Noble Phantasms. Some of which might represent things they did in life.
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>>4748066
My best guess is that she thinks Zouken is in control of Orochi, and that it's like Nobu herself using the legend of Mara/Demon King of the Sixth Heaven as a source of power merely. Meaning she may not realize the God is actually real and in control?

Otherwise it could be not actually Nobu. An NP summoned by a Nobukatsu?
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>>4748051
>Obeithion keeps stealing glances at Rin
Medea and Rin are gonna fight over their new waifu

>>4748069
>>4748054
But also ask why she's following a God
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>>4748076
Fucking hell, why do I keep forgetting about the fame bonus?
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>>4748072
That just means she can have a girlfriend while she's with us
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>>4748080
>Medea and Rin are gonna fight over their new waifu
Sisters can share.

>>4748054
>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Prepare for sudden combat though, just in case. Sakura should be the best against Nobu with her low personal Mystery, where Tiamat's power surpasses Nobu's too much for Tenka Fubu.
>Prepare to dismount if Riding Alitheia counts as being cavalry against Nobu.
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>>4748054
>"why are you of all people, following a god like orochi?"
>"did you of all people fall that far, that you would follow a snake like him?"
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>>4748086
>>4748080
I had a genius idea. Encourage Sakura to have her own harem as well as us. Subtly.
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It transforms oneself into a true Demon King, "Demon King of a Billionfold Heavens", who deceives all gods and Buddhas.
From Avenger Nobu's Papiyas Metamorphosis NP.

It could be that this Nobu also has some sort of Mara based illusion bullshit that's fucking with us.
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You know, when Medea learns about 3D printers and Silicone molds, we might be in for some trouble.
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>>4748054
>Attempt Diplomacy
>"You are slaving for some old worm dead dream, gluttony of oversized snake and vanity of so called "Demon God" Barbatos. Hardly fitting for a person who was called Demon King of the Sixth Heaven in life. In ten seconds, I can show you true meaning of pursuing brighter tomorrow, unchained by whims of long obsolete ghost of the age past."

Just one up Nobu, guys.
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I don't think its in Fate (?) but Nobunaga supposedly had:

"One of the Five Swords under Heaven made by Hōki Yasutsuna, this was the legendary sword with which Minamoto no Yorimitsu killed the boy-faced oni Shuten-dōji living near Mount Oe."

So don't send Shuten against her.
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I wonder what Kairi is thinking about all this shit.
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The NP is probably based on his feat of building a castle overnight I believe.

I don't think Nobu is actually there or Dragon daughter or Sakura would notice. The reason why Sakura isn't effected is her magic nulification.

Can we use truth on our eyes or as a lens to see through illusion?
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>>4748107
>I'm not getting paid enough for this job.
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>>4748108
The NP can also be based on the Battle of Okehazama.

"Nobunaga ordered his men to set up an array of flags and dummy troops made of straw and spare helmets around the Zensho-ji, giving the impression of a large host, while the real Oda army hurried round in a rapid march to get behind Yoshimoto's camp. "
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>>4748107
We can fix his curse cant we? we should.
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>>4748054
>>4748102
This one sounds great +1

also i was right, now the tall-ish swordswoman is DEFINITELY Okitalter
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>>4748114
It's probably this if its based on fame.

"With his victory in this battle, Oda Nobunaga gained greatly in prestige, and many samurai and warlords pledged fealty to him. "

She's using an illusion to bait us and then will attack from another angle.
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>>4748116
Won't bring back his step-daughter though.
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>>4748116
Yeah we can, and yeah we should.

Probably can't give him his daughter back though.
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>>4748092
Probably only gonna be Medusa then

>>4748116
Very easily
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>>4748123
>>4748124
Betty can
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>>4748102
I'll support this.
>>4748104
Anything with high Mystery is a bad match up against Nobu, so Shuten, Medea or Tamamo are right out.
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>>4748054
Changing
>>4748087
To
>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Prepare for illusions and misdirection in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities. Both from deception based actions in life and identifying with the Demon Mara who deceives all things.
>If someone reacts strangely or doesn't react to this Nobu, pay attention and react accordingly to that.
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>>4748126
She can give him a copy, not the original.
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>>4748119
>also i was right, now the tall-ish swordswoman is DEFINITELY Okitalter
How so? Don't get me wrong, I really want that to be the case, but how do you know?
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I think the point of the illusion is to distract us while he does something. We should probably warn the crew. Especially those who may fall for it
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>>4748054
>>Attempt Diplomacy. (Say what?)
Why would we feel the need to oppose someone who isn't even a 5* limited servant? Might as well just send Sumanai up here, you're in the same tier.
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>>4748127
All of them aren't with you right now anyway.
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>>4748130
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I am 99% sure its based on the Battle of Okehazama as I posted here
>>4748114
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>>4748054
>>4748102
+1
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>>4748136
Yeah but now that Ishtar has been dealt with I expect Medea to teleport them back soon.
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>>4748142
You sent them away specifically because you're going up against the ultimate anti-divine opponent.
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>>4748134
I'd be careful with that option
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>>4748139
Pictured here; Perfect Harem End.
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>>4748140
Yeah, it makes sense. This Nobunaga is an illusion and the true attack will come from another direction. She should still be able to hear us for diplomacy to work though, right?

>>4748142
Hell no, we sent them away so Orochi wouldn't eat them.
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>>4748153
We should diplo but we also should be explicitly looking for deception and another surprise attack from under illusions.
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Given that Okehazama was

"The Battle of Okehazama is regarded as one of the most significant turning points in Japanese history. ... Oda Nobunaga gained greatly in prestige, ...

Its probably her Fame Bonus if its where a lot of her Fame comes from.
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>>4748054
Support >>4748129
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>>4748054
change>>4748090
to >>4748102

>>4748107
We also need to make him and mordred meet, its funny how well they click with each other if this goes as in apocrypha
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can we have >>4748129 with >>4748102 ?
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Also, that "obsolete old ghost" part is weirding me the fuck out, given many of our allies and friends are literally ghosts of history or ancient fairies.
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>>4748054
Support>>4748102
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>>4748165
Well, for one I don't want to namedrop Barbatos in case Goetia doesn't know we know he exists and wants to burn down the timeline if he feels threatened.

I also don't like the "long obsolete ghost of the age past" when most of our friends and waifus could be described as such, not to mention Nobu herself. If you change the Ghost part itself I may be fine
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>>4748165
Yeah, I don't like that prompt all that much. Barbatos has no influence in there, and it's funny to talk about long obsolete ghosts of the past when we're literally riding a dragon and half our friends and waifus are ghosts of the past. Simple is best sometimes, asking why she's following a god should be enough without the rest.
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>>4748166
Sure would suck if your allies heard you say that, wouldn't it?
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>>4748170
we already namedropped barbatos when orochi was summoned in our face.
>>4748172
i guess, let me write something that includes both
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>>4748054
>>4748129
Support
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I find it funny that situations like this feel more dangerous than All the World's Evil Enkidu because it's harder to read the room.

We're mounted, surrounded by mystery. One false step we're fucked.

Complete analysis paralysis gj WhatIs
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>Ask why she's following Orochi the God.
>Tell her that following Orochi will just lead to the ruin of her so loved country
>tell her that you can give japan and the world a better future and that there is no need for then them fight
>Prepare for illusions and misdirection in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities. Both from deception based actions in life and identifying with the Demon Mara who deceives all things.
>If someone reacts strangely or doesn't react to this Nobu, pay attention and react accordingly to that.

Is this better?
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>>4748054
Switching >>4748162 to support >>4748180

Much better.
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>>4748179
Jesus Christ, that cat is enormous!
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>>4748054
>NOBU
FUCK YEAAHHH.

>>4748102
Support. Also seriously hoping we get Nobu on our side as an ally.
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>>4748180
Fine with me.
Changing from
>>4748129 (You)
to
>>4748180

A consolidated vote, everyone fine as is? But do keep in mind. When in Redline Nobu finds out that Japan became so "weak" she spazzes the fuck out and gets super mad. So "peace" may not be what she wishes to hear.
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>>4748180
Supporting
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>>4748054
also change my vote again for >>4748180 this
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>>4748166
I think it perfectly captures Nobu`s attention and plays on all of her character traits. Both historical and Nasuverse one. If we get a chance to Truth her it is huge win.
Or Orochi was smart enough to prepare for second round and diplomacy was a mistake to begin with.
>>4748172
I am pretty sure Nobu hates them so I see no reason not to rub it in Nobu`s face.
>>4748173
I have some trust in our allies to read the room properly.
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>>4748167
Changing to this. >>4748180
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>>4748190
Prompt says better future, not peace. In fact, we can pretty much promise her war against the current world powers.
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>>4748188
I would advise voting for something else if you wish to have Nobu as an ally.
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>>4748190
Its less "peace" and more "orochi will rape the country very hard in the ass without lube and i have a better option"
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>>4748054
Changing from >>4748178 to >>4748180
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>>4748197
>I am pretty sure Nobu hates them so I see no reason not to rub it in Nobu`s face.
She hates them, yes. Our faction is also full of them. Let's draw her attention to what separates us from the God, not in the ways we are similar to him.
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>>4748201
>>4748199
Got it.

>>4748197
>read the room
Its not about reading the room, its their impression of us. Even if they knew its a lie, then we'd be someone who completely lies to someone's face for a seemingly momentary advantage without regard for our allies' potential feelings or heroic pasts.

Also, its not a guarantee they'd know its a lie. or if it IS a lie, Nobu could see through it. And if its not its even worse.
Please.
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Sure would suck if this WASN'T an illusion, huh?
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If this is Nobu we need a being with no Mystery.

Shiki, pull your rapetrigger and kill the target
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>>4748209
We're mostly counting on diplomacy here. Doesn't make THAT much of a difference if it's an illusion or not.
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>>4748209
Already included in the plan.
>in addition to her muskets and Demon King based abilities
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>>4748209
I doubt wormpa would be stupid enough to send his real servant alone against us considering we stole two of his already.
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>>4748213
Would hypnotizing Shiki to go apeshit be super effective? We DO know some mental shit.
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>>4748054
>>4748180

+1

Funny how I always wait for the autists to come up with the final write in to vote for.
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>>4748220
If it's an illusion he still kills it and we demand a proper audience?
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>>4748214
There's also the fact that Enkidu would have noticed her unless her fame boost gave her Presence Concealment A++ for some reason.
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>>4748054
>>4748180
this

>>4748209
That's a lot of consecutive merlin images hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>4748209
we would choose diplomacy regardless.
Nobu for all her insanity fucking loves japan, so we have a good bait.
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>>4748054
>>4748188
Changing to >>4748180
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>>4748222
Makes sense, he can kill immaterial stuff. Ask Shiki to look at it with MeoDP
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>>4748213
Yeah, Shiki is the only one on the dragon who can deal with her. We're double fucked as the rider. Even Alitheia, a being of high mystery is fucked.

>>4748222
Unless she has real muskets surrounding us and killing the illusion triggers a volley.

>>4748226
And we were wondering who we'd live in charge of Japan in the future. Tamamo was a bad fit, and Nobunaga had been namedropped back then.
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>>4748233
Too sleep deprived to articulate how Shiki would go about doing something without fucking this up.

Just wanted to throw the option out there as diplomacy is kind of a default option which I now just outright assume are all traps forever. WhatIs will probably start not doing that soon just the continue fucking with us though
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>>4748233
Nobu for Japanese conquest of Asia, Mordred for British conquest of Europe. I'm down for it.
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>>4748217
It's not inconceivable. I'm sure Orochi is busy doing his ritual with Paracelsus and can't micromanage his minions while they're stalling for time.
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>>4748207
Alright. But I hope it will have just enough over the top dialog to make her come to us into Truth range so wan fondle her.
And not tirgger her desire to fight us to see who can make better future by doing warring states dialog.
>>4748054
Changing from >>4748102 to >>4748180
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>>4748192
I read a doujin about this.
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>>4748236
>>4748233
The world is so fucked after this war.
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We cant forget that iskandar is still inside rin, can't forget about him
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>>4748234
Diplomacy is a default option, but the way to do it was a write-in. And we're upping our guard against everything. It should work. Our ideal outcome here is recruiting her anyway, not having Shiki kill her.

>>4748236
Iskandar will conquer Asia from the west, Nobunaga from the east. They'll race to the middle. Karna will keep India neutral.
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>>4748241
It's gonna need some uhh...unconventional warlords due to all the gods and dragons and incarnated heroic spirits we're littering all over the world. It's gonna be great.
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>>4748241
still better than requiem
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>>4748241
>fucked
You mean improved, right?

>>4748242
He'll be fine until we can talk to Waver about how best to purify him. Don't worry about him.
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>>4748242
He's in a pocket space that is just outside of the timeline.
It's not like with Sakura.
He's not actually inside of her.
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>>4748243
>Karna will keep India neutral.
Ah yes, the curry must be protected at all costs.
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>>4748242
We'll drop him with Waver and ask him what concept he thinks is best.
I trust him with this.
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>>4748245
Requiem is a goddamn hellhole. 30 Grails in leylines around the world leading to WW3 fought openly with Drone-Robot armies and with "innumerable" Holy Grails being created and used for war.

I am 99% sure Requiem is a post Strange Fake world.

Prelati talks about how "It's on my list, but it's just one stop on the way. I think we'll be able to reproduce it once the pioneers of the stars advance a few more levels. Same for the Holy Grail War itself. So, I'm going to be starting as many Grail Wars as I can. I'd like you guys to show some enthusiasm analyzing its pattern."
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>>4748251
The curry must flow.
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>>4748248
>He's in a pocket space that is just outside of the timeline.
If we are being honest here. Just moving to a place outside of the timeline to train for a year or two to train and doing so with Alítheia would make a lot of difference.
As long as time here would have stand still.
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>>4748253
The "It" being reproduced is the 3rd Magic. Touko is doing work it seems.
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>>4748253
>Prelati
You guys were thinking of dealing with her at some point, weren't you?
Any new ideas?
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literally fucking HOW are we at 400 responses already
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>>4748256
I don't like this warning. Are we fucking up somewhere? Anything we missed?
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>>4748256
Being very specific with the time limit this time qm. Usually you only call like half an hour after the time you initially said.
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>>4748248
God I wish Rin could vore like her sister.

>>4748054
>>4748180
Support.
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>>4748262
Feed her to Sakura.

>>4748263
Best Quest. Best QM. Autism.
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>>4748262
>Prelati
Anons insisted on Sakura Vore so that she constantly dies inside of her belly while Tiamat watches on amusement.
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>>4748256
Are we about to get Marble Phantasm'd by Nobu somehow...?
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>>4748266
>>4748264
I just wanna get started writing.
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>>4748256
Wait. Could Orochi have made some kind of bunrei/avatar from Arc's power?
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I can't bring myself to voot because this whole situation makes me too uncomfortable. I guess WhatIs did well this update.

>>4748271
We should ask Touko where/how Prelati respawns so we can ensure it works how we'd want it to
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>>4748272
Why would Nobu have Marble Phantasm?
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>>4748273
Hype
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>>4748278
Marble Phantasm is nature interference by means of requesting allocated resources from the Planet by authorized parties.

Faeries and elementals (and Youkai and Gods?) request shit and it happens.
Does Nobu count as enough of Mara to utilize it...? Who is cosplaying Nobu right now?
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>>4748273
Not sure I believe you. You're hiding something, aren't you?

>>4748277
I legit can't think of anything better than what we're currently doing. Diplomacy using metaknowledge of her character + preparation using metaknowledge of her abilities.

>>4748278
I assume he meant Reality Marble.
blessed image
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>>4748274
Oh, NOW you remember that Orochi has 25 percent of Arc's power.
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>>4748273
God, Sakura/Tiamat was the best mistake we could have asked for.
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>>4748284
So we should have Shiki rape is what you're saying?
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>>4748284
Orochi isn't here though.

>>4748285
But it wasn't a mistake. It was an accidental blessing.
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>>4748286
Genius plan.
Everyone knows that everyone in an H-scene is brought down to the level of a baseline human!
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>>4748288
Shiki is a John Smith Pseudo?
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>>4748289
John Smith is a Shiki Pseudo.
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>>4748288
Do you want a servant to rip her masters dick off when they're fucking? It's necessary.
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The best I got is that based on

"The warlord was also keen on having people worship himself as a divinity and built a temple for that purpose."

Orochi somehow fused Arc's power into Nobu and created some kind of hybrid empowered Spirit. Get ready for Great Keshou Nobunaga
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>>4748290
We've been sleeping on our greatest ally.

Rape-sama I kneel
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>>4748286
Shinji feels something feels off and he has EotM. We can't get a reading on her. I think getting Shiki to attack the illusion is a bad idea when she apparently wants to talk. She could have opened up from stealth and we'd have been fucked already.
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>>4748288
Except for that one time Saber clamped down so hard that Shirou couldn't pull out for fear of cock mutilation.
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>>4748294
Why would Orochi give up his powerup?
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>>4748294
Why would Orochi grant authority to a rebellious Godkiller on home turf? Isn't that playing with fire
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>>4748297
Eh, like 95 percent of the time.
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>>4748294
Except I don't think we can do anything to Marble Phantasm Nobu? Unless its speedblitz+instakill, Arc for example can just vacuum cutter your molecules apart.
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>>4748180
This won right?
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>>4748301
>rebellious Godkiller
Man, Nobunaga and Alcides will hit it right off.
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>>4748301
>>4748300
It may have some kind of bad interaction with his own Authority or spiritual existence. Speculation all in all, not sure at all.
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>>4748308
yep
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>>4748310
It's what specifically gave him this whole powerup.

I'm still seething a bit I woke up to late to get my writein counted of just having everyone teleported into the air at the time, and standing on a platform of truth.

But I guess snekquest is it's own plotline that we would have missed, and no cute purification onahole
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>>4748308
Seems that way.

>>4748310
It's what got him from God to Beast Candidate. I doubt it.
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>>4748304
I'd just chalk it up to the same reason Servants are able to hold things without destroying them or move around without creating lethal blasts of compressed air
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>>4748308
no uhhh whatever plan that included predicting that nobu is orochi's avatar won instead :^)
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>>4748317
I guess it could be something like

"Orochi has 8 Heads, this means he can have 8 Avatars who are him in totality"

And Nobu is both Nobu and Orochi himself?
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Now I wish we'd gotten an interlude next so we'd have more time to think about Nobunaga.
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Could it be Li Shuwen waiting in ambush?
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>>4748351
No bunga these balls
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>>4748351
Chiyome interlude was endearing but the castle one would have probably helped a lot here
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>>4748358
Yeah, it definitely would have. Curse my wanting to go for something heartwarming instead of powergaming! One vote would have changed the outcome.
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>>4748360
...Do you really regret it?
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>>4748363
We're finding out next update if we really regret it, aren't we?
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>>4748363
Probably not. Best ninja. I'm just worried Nobunaga will open up from behind, and our sisterwife and daughter are both here to take the volley.
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>>4748360
now i feel bad because i dont think i voted.
i was sleeping, i think
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>>4748367
There's no way we're getting omae wa'd, not by Nobu of all people.
This is clearly Orochi fucking with us.
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>>4748371
I haven't seen her in any game, so I don't really know her personality all that well. But from what I've been reading, it would be very in character for her to attack the enemy commander like that.
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Since I have nothing to do while waiting here is some foreshadowing about Greek Mechachads in Herc's CMats

"Takeuchi: Even Nasu suggested making half of his body out of stone or metal because he's supposed to be a superhuman existence, ..."
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>>4748374
She's more of a screaming challenge to the sky kind of girl than an invisible assassin.
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>>4748380
Update delayed by 5 minutes, just because of this post.
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>>4748380
*shakes fist*

>>4748382
Well, she'll fit right in then. But decapitating the enemy leadership to win a battle is not really being an invisible assassin.
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>>4748383
Trigger, off
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>>4748383
Okay, okay. How about a more interesting bit? Original design of Godhand was even more OP and this version is nerfed.

"With Berserker's God Hand promising victory for 11 battles in old "Fate", and only six other Servants participating in the Holy Grail Wars, it seemed as if Berserker's Noble Phantasm all but guaranteed his victory. "
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>>4748374
No time like the present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSIba2LnBU
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>>4748389
It was like that in proto.

>While it is unknown if he still retains it in Fate/Prototype, he had a Noble Phantasm in the planning stages of the original novel, old Fate, that imparted the ability "Absolutely Survive" (絶対に生き残る, Zettai ni Ikinokoru?), which as the name suggests guaranteed that Gilgamesh would survive any conflict. It would have clashed with Berserker's Noble Phantasm at the time, which was to "promise victory for eleven battles." The concepts of the two abilities clashed and the paradoxical situation had to be resolved. Berserker did not technically lose but he did lose his life.[1]
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>>4748383
I hadn't heard anything about mechas in Fate before, and after these threads I think that's for the best.
Don't know why something like this would ever need them.
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>>4748389
Yeah I knew that already.
It's why he dominates APEX.
He loses to Gil though.
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>>4748392
>>4748386
https://youtu.be/wabWjhN7z3E

Don't forget
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"Last words? Well, I've got a question for you, actually." You look Nobunaga in the eyes confidently.

"A question? You're asking the person about to kill you a question?" Nobunaga raises an eyebrow at you. Clearly, she wasn't expecting that.

"That's right." You stand to face Nobunaga, Alítheia is thankfully large enough to allow you to do something like this. Honestly, at some point you might need to see if you can't get her to agree on having some sort of saddle for people to sit on. The ride quality isn't exactly great, after all. "What use would pleading for my life do here?"

"Well, I can't say that I don't admire your bravery, at least! Let's have it then!" The girl seems confident in her position in this battle, and you can't really say you blame her. Even with so many of your allies nearby, with an Anti-Mystery Servant like Nobunaga here, you have no idea just how much help they'll actually be! Still, you take a breath and begin to speak.

"What is a person like you doing serving a God like Orochi, Nobunaga?" The girl flinches backwards in surprise as you casually reveal her True Name. "I think we both know that following that snake can only lead to ruin, both for you and for Japan as a whole. Your beloved country will be reduced to rubble by the whim of a God. You can't honestly believe that this will end in any way other than him destroying Japan, Humanity, and perhaps the entire world."

The girl freezes in her tracks, unsure how to respond after having her identity so easily discerned. She doesn't look like she's about to attack you though, so you take a step forwards towards the girl, walking past Sakura as you do. The girl is clearly worried about you, but there's no need for her to be scared.

"Is it a curse? Has Orochi cursed you into helping him? Perhaps it's the threat of command spells? Or were you planning on betraying him yourself? I can promise you that if you assist me instead of that decrepit relic of an era passed, the world and all of Japan will have a brighter future! There's no need for us to fight, Nobunaga." Still, despite your words, you're prepared for any attempt of illusion or misdirection Nobunaga might use. Japan is her home turf, after all, so you need to be prepared for absolutely anything. Seeing as how a sneak attack based upon deception is one of her greatest feats, and her link to the Demon King who deceives even Gods and Buddhas. The rest of your allies are paying attention to her presence though, so it's either an illusion that they are all capable of seeing, or she's physically here.
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>>4748386
I'm more talking about the fact that Enkidu is right here and didn't sense anything, and Nobu's appearing as an Archer so mega fameboost presence concealment is unlikely.
She also taunted us about not noticing her, which makes me think she's just fucking with us.
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"He... Has not cursed me into his service, I was wise enough to willingly agree to aid him... For the sake of my country." The girl frowns. "Tell me, tell me how you were planning on defeating Orochi, and then I'll decide whether or not it's worth me continuing to try to guide his wrath away from Japan, or whether killing him is truly a possibility." Nobunaga asks you a question, and it's one you don't know if you should answer.

>"I'm planning on having him bound, and then using Shiki to strike his Death Point, ending his existence."
>"I was actually just hoping that it all worked out and that I came out on top. That's how things normally go, at least."
>"I'm not going to tell you my plan! You're still an enemy!"
>Make up another plan (What?)
>Lie about your plan.
>Write-in...
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>>4748386
Also, we can't sense her abilities, so that's another point for her not actually being here.
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>>4748383
Like I said.
5 minutes.
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>>4748404
was actually just hoping that it all worked out and that I came out on top. That's how things normally go, at least."
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We should say something true but useless if Orochi is eavesdropping.

Something like restraining him and striking him with an absolutely death dealing attack. Or just using one of our many other death dealing attacks. Erosion is still around, even if its less than ideal. Or stalling for Alcides. Or Rin could try chucking him out of the World.
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>>4748404
Yikes, either we lie about the method and she''ll might notice or we tell her the truth and risk it being known to Orochi if this is a scam
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>>4748411
Orochi is DEFINITEYL eavesdropping. We should not reveal the absolute truth, but not lie to her either. Time for another write-in, naturally.
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Telling an enemy your plan is kind of retarded.

Orochi is holding Japan hostage to keep nobu in line right now though.

If we break Nobu's contract she still has Independent Action and Tenka Fubu just seems like a freebie from the world when it comes to scaling against gods. So she isn''t forced into our service.

Technically we don't even have a single plan anymore, why not say the most innocuous one and mention there are several other contingencies?
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>>4748404
>write in

We won’t tell her our plans until she turns traitor
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So what are the odds this is just some sort of ilusion of Orochi's, to let our guard down?
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We could go for a gigabrain play and outright tell her we don't know if Orochi is listening, so she can stay on the dragon and shoot us in the back if shes not satisfied with our performance and tell Orochi she deceived us, but we do have a plan we would not reveal.
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Probably don't reveal the Tartarus gaybaby jail one, or Rin's Second Magic.

They're very good trumpcards.

Gil and Enkidu are at Orochi's door, no? So that's already known. Maybe just mention those two?
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>>4748388
Kek
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>>4748420
60-70% imo.
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>>4748423
It's not even giving anything away at this point, and combine that with

>>4748421
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>>4748420
Pretty high.
She hasn't physically interacted with anything, and even had to tell us that she jumped here rather than demonstrating it.
She also immediately asked us to start revealing details of our plan the moment she had an opportunity to.
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Now, the real question is do you want me to call in 30 minutes and try to get one more update out tonight, or do you want more time to think about things?
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>>4748404
>Make up another plan
>"I have in my entourage Gilgamesh himself, and he possesses a Noble Phantasm that can wipe out entire planets. All my party has to do is hold the crafty snake god in place."
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>>4748434
Call, we've had enough autism for a bit
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>>4748421
This could work
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It could even be a body-puppet made by Marble Phantasm. If it can do stuff like recreate the Millenium Castle, it can create light and sound illusions imo.
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>>4748434
Call it. We're aware that this might be an illusion, but there's hardly anything anyone of us on Alitheia can do about it. If we let loose a fake plan to a simple projection? Then so be it, we have five ways of dealing with Orochi.
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>>4748434
one more please, this isn't something that needs us to go through a seven hour deliberation to arrive at a vital conclusion
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>>4748434
I think 30 min is enough, we just have to agree ona variation of "Be vague, but offer enough to convince her we can win"
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>>4748404
>You may have already noticed the two guests I bought along down below, two close friends very much skilled in destroying beasts of calamity.

>That is all I can reveal for now, I have no idea of knowing if you aren't the earpiece for the God that is holding your country, and my place of birth hostage to keep you subservient.

>If you would like you can stay on the dragon and shoot us in the back if you're unsatisfied with our performance and tell Orochi she deceived us.

>>4748434
gotta go fast
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>>4748435
Well, Anti-World and Anti-Planet are different things but close enough. Its for killing Textures, RM and shit.
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Maybe say something like "well, look around you, we have quite the firepower, also, i will bring death for him one way or the other, for i am Truth."
or not,maybe it has too much ego
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>>4748404
>>4748447
This

Let's go
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>>4748447
>>4748404
+1
Good enough I guess.
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>>4748454
The Chiyome flex is a good addition. The compliment handjob under the table may also help
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>>4748454
>I'm sure you understand I cannot reveal my full plan to you while you still serve the evil God.
>But I can tell you this.
>Many of my assembled allies based their entire legend on opposing and defeating gods.
>Over there, for example, you can see Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes, along with his friend Enkidu. I am sure I do not need to tell you their accomplishments. They will help us in this fight. And they are far from the only ones opposing Orochi.
>My own powers are not to underestimated either. I have already freed Mochizuki Chiyome from his control and purified her curse entirely. Orochi's power over her was nothing compared to mine.
>With our plan, our power, and your tactical genius there can be no doubt for the outcome
>We will triumph, save the world from Orochi and give our homeland the glorious future she deserves
How's this guys?

Shit, typo
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>>4748454
I want to offer her the guarantee of staying near us ready to kill, to be sure.
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>>4748454
I would like to also headpat her, but maybe not a good idea now.
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>>4748461
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>>4748459
I think it goes without saying

>>4748463
We should headpat Taiga when next we visit the Dojo.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
+1
this is fine
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It's a slight shame bait-no-jutsu never panned out
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>>4748458
Also maybe add for you to keep a hard look at her eyes while saying this, so she can believe you.
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>>4748465
Ah, you wish to enter the Secret Zone?
The Taiga Dojo Taiga Dojo?
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>>4748465
Uh, how does it go without saying if its not in the vote? Just outright say it to her I meant.
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>>4748469
It's also a slight shame we didn't get Achilles.
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>>4748475
You got this totally not treacherous fairy instead.
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>>4748474
It goes without saying that she'll kill us if she's not satisfied. That's the basis of our current negotiation. And are you sure we should outright tell her to deceive her Master when we're assuming he's listening in and not revealing our plan?
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>>4748475
Orochi would eat him.

Where would he be useful actually? Other than speedmogging everything before they draw a weapon
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>>4748434
Get the update out. Thats my vote
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>>4748477
Would she have a reason to betray us though?
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>>4748434
Call in 30
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>>4748483
Maybe if you don't bully Merlin hard enough.
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>>4748477
Regrets were made
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>>4748477
That's why it's only a SLIGHT shame

Our precious bodily fluids!

>>4748480
Speedmogging, duel an enemy servant maybe, be based, be nice to Atalante who'll be arriving shortly.

Power-wise, Morgan beats him hands-down, yeah.
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>>4748477
It's funny how hard you're trying to convince us she's a traitor when we all know it's EMIYA
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>>4748488
Him and Cu would be a good fight
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>>4748489
It's probably sakura
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>>4748488
Duel Field is a huge dab to anyone juiced up by Divine Protections too. We should probably tell him to lose the scarf though
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>>4748485
We just need her there when we ask merlin why and what he is doing.
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>>4748404
Changing
>>4748455
To
>>4748458
Then. I'll accept it.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
>>4748472
Support
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>>4748404
Making >>4748458 official
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I think he's already writing
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>>4748404
change >>4748447
to

>>4748458


Send it WhatIs
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I for one support headpatting Taiga
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>>4748500
6 minutes till I start.
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>>4748500
I noticed dumping complex autistic writeins on him constantly was hurting his update speed.

Probably had an idea of how the scenario was to play out, wrote one or two paragraphs and then checked the vote and had to start again from scratch.
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>>4748504
if we die, lets headpat both her ilya and faggot shinji
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>>4748501
I love that they took the effort of giving him a reflection in the glass
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>>4748506
Thanks for being a good qm
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>>4748506
hot incestuous witch
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>>4748504
Maybe we should vote for her to be the next interlude, if there's nothing more important at the time.
I wanna know who's her servant.
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>>4748507
Shouldn't make it so we get curseaids without writeins then.
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>>4748404
>>4748458
+1 since it's most bragging about things Orochi already knows about.
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>>4748509
I steal all this stuff from AronHeadbutt's twitter. He also makes Fate stuff on Youtube
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>>4748507
Yeah, but complex autistic writeins is how we've avoided disaster so far.
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>>4748507
We kinda need to do this.
Too much paranoia at this point.
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>>4748458
+1
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>>4748519
>Too much paranoia at this point.
You can never be too paranoid. Never. That's how Orochi gets your friends.
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>>4748507
It's only natural for the pace to become more methodical as the situation becomes harder to navigate.
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>>4748519
>>4748518
He could offer a very valid but normal end style prompt at all times if he wanted to avoid 550 posts of plan synthesis while he's sleeping. Meaning we could keep in line with his general direction of ends more regularly and just add slight extras to polish it
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>>4748523
He could, but he doesn't. I assume he's enjoying the paranoid autistic write-ins.
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>>4748524
You assume correctly, your paranoia sustains me.
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>>4748524
this quest is more of a puzzle at this point.
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>>4748526
But I'm paranoid we're not being paranoid enough.
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>>4748524
It's like he has a whole quest of content reflected back on him I guess. Keeps the writefag motivated to continue anyway.

On a side note, what were the 3 options presented again when Shinji wrote in the book?

At this stage it's all but confirmed that one very important moment is when Shinji had his powerset aligned to literally rewriting characters if given a chance.

>>4748526
Merlin is your self insert, we get it. That's the only reason why he's making things difficult for us.
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>>4748529
I see.
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>>4748529
>On a side note, what were the 3 options presented again when Shinji wrote in the book?
Delete, rewrite, create iirc.
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>>4748532
Narratively we chose the best then. There are ways to delete problems with force, creation of OC defeats the purpose of happy end for existing characters
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>>4748529
One was turning back the pages in the book,
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>>4748535
I think that's pretty much our thought process back then too.
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>>4748537
i wonder what would have happened if we ate the book
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>>4748540
Punch out God, Eat the book, what stupidity could we have done to the three doors?
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>>4748541
knock on all the doors
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>>4748542
Mediate a triumvirate between Manaka, YHWH and Azathoth/Nyarly
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>>4748541
Which three doors?

And how's this as a first draft of our future world map?
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>>4748475
I'm still hoping we can bullshit our way into getting him, his father was an Argonaut and don't we still have his catalyst?
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>>4748544
we were presented a fleshy blood leaking door, a hollow void? door and something else
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>>4748543
yeah, that would be funny
maybe a carnival moment.
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>>4748544
Mordred is gonna take over North America too?
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>>4748544
We had a choice in a dream to enter one of three door corresponding to the three greater scope factions.
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>>4748544
I hope Mordred comes to visit my colony and removes all the chinks.

Will Karna finally make India a superpower?

Will India finally use toilets?
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>>4748544
Where is the independant state of Babylonia.
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>>4748544
not bad, but why mordred would want america?
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>>4748554
Moon
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>>4748554
Gil probably won't want to rule or rather, he feels like he owns the world already
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>>4748557
Hamborgah
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>>4748545
We do. I suppose we could get him if we start summoning more people at some point.

>>4748549
They are former British territories, still speaking the same language.

>>4748546
>>4748550
I don't remember that at all. Last dream I remember was when Manaka was waving and we headed straight for Nyarly to get our evil witch back.

>>4748554
I can just color countries, can't do it for a single city.

And I'm kinda hoping he'll want to chill with his clay and his girl.
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>>4748560
He even has a magic tablet that says he owns the world and all the gods.
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>>4748544
Aren't you going to give any land to the Queen of Dragons or the Fairy Queen?
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>>4748567
Yeah, in my pants
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>>4748544
Nobu has her work cut out for her trying to conquer China AND Korea

>>4748564
May as well go with South America too since most countries down south are or were US puppet states, may as well make it officially apart of the New British Empire
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>>4748571
Cucking Rin

>>4748572
South America is for Ort chan
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>>4748572
Argentina's gonna freak!
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>>4748564
It was before that.
If I remember correctly we walked through a tentacle door and had a dream about Azatoth.
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>>4748567
our dragon loli will stay with us, headpats until she gets bigger.
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>>4748567
Queen of the Dragons gets the skies + whatever patches of land she wants. Our mansion will also be considered part of her sovereign territory.

Queen of the Fairies gets the Reverse Side.
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>>4748575
>Cucking Rin
>Getting cucked by Seibah
>Getting cucked by imouto
>Getting cucked by witch
Being Rin is suffering
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>>4748581
The Reverse Side is kind of boring if it's a New Age of Gods though.
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>>4748584
She'll cope with a parallel version of herself who was also cucked out of their romantic interests
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>>4748575
ORT is a neet that never leaves her cave.
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>>4748585
Ah, well. We'll figure something out. It's just the first draft.

If anyone else wants to give it a try, here's what I used:

https://mapchart.net/world.html
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>>4748589
She's just having a nap ok. Daybit will wake her up
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>>4748585
I don't know why people are still calling it the new age of gods when there are no gods involved in it and all the people that are involved are at most fairies or demigods.
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>>4748572
I, for one, welcome our new cute Mo-san overlord.
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>Fairy Seibah actually likes Rin
>People wanna cuck her
Let her have this one thing. We've already taken her sister, and other Saber took her crush, what more do you want?!
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>>4748587
Who well end up being stolen from her somehow by Redman

>>4748544
The more I look at this map, the funnier it gets, Mordred somehow guns for North America but not the rest of Europe lmao
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And any settlement in south america also risks someone getting hijacked by some residual god bacteria. Tezcatlipoca is a bit of a cunt
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>>4748599
her anal virginity
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>>4748594
If it's a new Age of Gods, the Gods still alive on the Reverse Side will slowly begin to migrate over to the Surface of the Planet, and new Gods will begin to come into existence too.
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>>4748599
I want her
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>>4748599
More Rin NTR material

>>4748600
She must prefer a goblin civilisation to a muslim one?
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>>4748600
Hey, my country has the longest alliance in the world with Britain, I expect her to honor it.
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>>4748599
I want Rin too, also Medea wants Seibah Fairy too, I don't want Seibah Fairy though as it seems extremely fucking weird to go out with your best friend's wife's clone while we're already nailing her daughterson. They can flip a coin to decide who gets her on the weekends
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>>4748603
Hmm. We'll need to figure out a way to stop this. Gods are cunts.
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>>4748606
Hello Portugal Friend.
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>>4748606
Portugal is based for a commie state
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>>4748608
Tartarus is always open for business!
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>>4748610
Wow. 1 minute. I'm impressed.
Actually, scratch that. Let her conquer us. Can't be any worse than the state we're in now.
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>>4748608
maybe use wodime's plan of making humanity god-tier without causing the timeline to die.
Someone would have to sacrifice themselves though.
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>>4748612
>Alcides gets to spend eternity hammering down any god that pops up
Brilliant! He will be so happy!
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>>4748608
New Age of Man. Where man equals the magic of myth and legend, heightening himself further.
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I don't even think Mordred is gonna actually rule, she’s gonna conquer half the world and we're gonna institute a constitutional monarch, basically whatever she wants will bypass parliament or whatever local governments in place but that's rarely if ever gonna happen since it's fucking Mordred and she’s just gonna listen to whatever we want to happen
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>>4748610
>>4748611
I see, you're faster now.
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>>4748617
Maybe we could do an Age of Wonders, after the Age of Gods and the Age of Man?
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>>4748611
>>4748610
Also, Is it so hard to ask that we get even ONE portuguese servant?! Just one!
I'd take anyone at this point man. Viriato, Afonso Henriques, Nuno Alvares Pereira,
Vasco da Gama...
It's really annoying.
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>>4748624
Portugal is like the most modern Greece or Egypt. Once great, now a tourist destination for pasty britbongs and a based tax haven if your income is only from capital gains
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>>4748624
Ok say what you want about FGO, it's pretty good at avoiding nipwank, none of the Japanese servants are considered the best of the best and its good at giving different country's heroes a chance to shine
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>>4748624
Sorry, best I can do you is...
Let's see...
an El Cid with no art who gets killed by Zombie Hannibal.
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>>4748630
>Insert Musashi BTFOing Chaos here.
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>>4748631
Bull fucking shit, where?
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>>4748624
How about a fucking brazilian servant for once.
fuck
Nasu is autistic, he seems to forget some countries.
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>>4748630
Touta is pathetic compared to his myth.

Raicow is queen jobber.

However..

A GOD CUT, DEFEATED
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>>4748634
Requiem.
Unfortunately.
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>>4748633
Sakurai jerking off the ever living shit out of their waifu is an outlier
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>>4748630
do you even musashi
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>>4748634
requiem. hannibal gets mogged by nzambi and made into a zombie slave
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>>4748630
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>>4748636
Brazil, Mexico (quetz only barely counts), and a non-Arthurian-legend English servant. Holmes doesn’t cut it but at least we have bad grandpa
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>>4748644
I wish holmes was a actual detective, in fgo he is just "i know this because reasons" for everything
Dude is very boring
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>>4748633
>>4748638
bruh he's fast today.

>>4748644
Babbage, Jekyl, Frankenstein, Drake, Robin, Teach, Boudicca, Billy Shakes, Jack, Anne and Mary, Nightingale, Nursery Rhyme kinda, Moriarty, Sherlock
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>>4748644
>non-Arthurian-legend English servant
Robin Hood would like a word.
So would Astolfo
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>>4748646
You forgot Shakespeare. Cool guy.
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>>4748646
thats only for europe though
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>>4748648
look again.

>>4748650
they're all british, I forgot Astolfo who is also a british prince
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>>4748647
>So would Astolfo
Not a fan?
I like him. Even with all the memes, he's a stand up guy. Hope he shows up.
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>>4748653
Fuck me, I should go to bed.
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>>4748653
yeah, british.
To be fair, as someone outside of europe almost all of western europe kinda blends into one thing.
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>>4748658
well Boudicca is pre-briton. Prince Nennius would be neat, he dabbed on Caesar. Shield that steals NPs when it blocks and access to Crocea Mors + strange celt runic skills
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>>4748662
If you want to be this accurate about Boudicca, then we should acknowledge that the post-Norman-conquest Britons are pretty much a different people as well.
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>>4748662
>Boudica
God do I hate her design.
Her entire design just looks like the sort of thing you'd see in a generic light novel.
Why couldn't they at least try to go for the barbarian warrior woman look a little?
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>>4748662
>Nennius faced Caesar in single combat. Caesar struck Nennius a blow to the head, but his sword got stuck in Nennius's shield. After they separated in the melée, Nennius threw away his own sword and attacked the Romans with Caesar's sword, killing many, including the tribune Labienus. Fifteen days after the battle Nennius died of his head wound, and was buried at London, near the North Gate. Caesar's sword, named Crocea Mors ("Yellow Death"), is buried with him.

High rank Battle Continuation and he even killed le benis :DDD
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>>4748666
Goblin onahole!

NERO SAMA I KNEEL
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>>4748666
Coomerbait. Nips like her so I guess it was the right choice, plus they hint towards an Avenger version of her that would actually hate the Romans
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so the next update is the last for today? i need to sleep
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>>4748681
He's ironing out the daily cliffhanger to ensure he has autism to browse when he returns
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>>4748671
The Japanese are basically the perfect consoomer, they like whatever they are given, and then will wageslave until they die.
>>4748681
Yeah it will be.
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>>4748685
ok, then i will be back later.
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"I'm sure that you understand that I cannot in good faith reveal the full extent of my plans to you while you still act as Yamata-no-Orochi's Servant. You must understand that." Nobunaga simply looks at you and doesn't say a word, clearly she's not satisfied with this much. "But... I can tell you this..." You wave your arm in the direction of your gathered allies. "Many of my assembled allies have practically based their entire legends on opposing and defeating Gods. Down there is Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes, and his friend and equal, Enkidu. I imagine you are well aware of both their power and their accomplishments."

"So, you are going to attempt to attain victory through overwhelming force? Is that it? I was hoping for something with a little more thought put into it than that. Especially considering just what sort of adversary that you're up against here." Nobunaga crosses her arms, apparently unimpressed by the power of your gathered allies. Of course, it's not about how much power you have, it's really about how you use that power.

"Oh please, don't think that my plans are so simple that I would be planning on using nothing but power to achieve my victory here. I already told you that I can't tell you the specifics, but you should've already been able to figure out at least that victory isn't impossible for a faction with as much power as mine. I merely pointed out Gilgamesh and Enkidu to you, and those two are far from the only two Servants with a great amount of power I have assisting me. Of course, I haven't even brought up my own abilities either."

"Oh, you think that you're somebody capable of making a difference against a God like Yamata-no-Orochi? A living human magus, saying his power can make a difference against a Beast such as him? I'd laugh at your hubris, if the situation wasn't so dire."

You actually laugh at Nobunaga's own threat to laugh at you. "Oh, that is funny. Nobunaga... You're familiar with what happened to Chiyome, I take it? The Assassin of your faction, the one who was sent to kill me." You draw Nobunaga's attention to Chiyome's failed assassination attempt, you want to gauge how much this enemy of yours knows.

"She failed to kill you, that much is obvious. I take it you disposed of her after her failure." Nobunaga still doesn't sound all that impressed, not seeing the relevance in Chiyome's failure. The fact that an assassination attempt failed isn't really that big a surprise to Nobunaga as somebody who used to rule a country.
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"Well, it's true that she failed..." Of course, it was only a failure because you realized the potency of the poison she had struck you with, had you not, you may very have died. "...but I also recruited her to my side after using my own power to purify her curse and break her contract with Orochi. A curse that plagued her bloodline for years, purified in an effect that I believe reached even the Chiyome in the throne. When it comes to the machinations of Evil Gods such as Orochi, I am very much their anathema, the power I wield cannot be defied, even by the Gods." You start to get a little too into describing your own abilities, so you get back on track. "So, with my plan, with all our power and with your tactical genius, there will be no doubt for the outcome."

"My tactical genius?" Nobunaga looks at you like you've lost your mind. "Do you really think that I'm going to aid you after that speech?" She's taunting you, but you know that she has at least been partially convinced by your words.

"Of course, together we shall triumph! Together we will save the entire planet from those who would see it brought to a complete barren ruin, and together... together we can give our homeland the glorious future that she deserves! So join me, Demon King of the Sixth Heaven! Aid me in my act of defiance to this so called God!" You roar at Nobunaga, your voice promising glory and success.

"Well... that was a better pitch than I was expecting, I'm going to be honest." Another voice, it's behind you again, and it's... also Nobunaga!? You stare at the image of the woman in front of you, which fades out and loses focus. "You've got some persuasive ability there, you know. If you were alive in my time, I definitely would've made you one of my generals, Makiri." The voice behind you continues talking as you turn to face her, and you see Nobunaga standing there, almost as if she just teleported directly behind you. "Oh, don't worry about how I got behind you, it was just an illusion, that's one of my Noble Phantasms, it allows me to deceive an opponent by creating an illusory image of myself, while also rendering myself invisible for as long as they are fooled." Nobunaga claps her hands together. "Now, you said you could break my contract, yes? I'd rather that you do so sooner rather than later, I don't know just how long I have until Orochi decides to check in on me, he's already suspicious of me."
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"Ah right, well just give me a moment." You begin to walk towards Nobunaga, preparing yourself to use the magecraft unique to you once again. You're really thankful that the speed at which you regenerated magical energy was improved so much, otherwise you never would've been capable of these rapid successive uses of Truth.

>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Have Sakura bind Nobunaga with ribbons before approaching her... just in case.
>Remove her hat and headpat Nobunaga.
>Write-in...
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>>4748544
You know, it's surprising that you didn't give give Illya Austria and Germany. Or Luvia Finland.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Avenger
Demon King Nobunaga let's fucking go
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It really was an illusion, but she had us fooled to the end. Nobunaga OP.

>>4748744
Fuck, I forgot. We'd even talked about this. The second draft will be ready by the time you wake up.
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>Orochi right now
THAT IS THE 3RD ONE WE'VE STOLEN FROM HIM
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>>4748733

Just noticed your id is Sherlock's martial art technique, weird.

Nobu concept?

How about Unification?

Of her many selves, of her country. recreates her legend of Uniting Japan.

We were giving her Japan anyway right?
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>>4748756
actually this works, her Avenger self is a aggregation of all her selves past present and future from all possibilities, she can have Japan yeah, not like we're gonna want a country
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>>4748754
Whoever would have guessed that the Japanese Servants don't want to serve Yamata-no-Orochi?
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I'd suggest against headpat for this one. Nobu headpats you
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>>4748763
apparently Orochi has a bigger ego than Gil, you'd think after losing the 3rd servant that he'd maybe stop or at least force a command seal or two
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead
>Unification
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>>4748764
Yeah... she'd probably kill us if we touched the hat.
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>>4748751
Not really, we brought up the possibility before the update that this was an illusion.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
She asked us to break her contract, let's break her contract. She said she wasn't sure how long we had before Orochi checked in on her.
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>>4748738

>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi
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>>4748766
He's not micromanaging, and he doesn't really care about how you deal with the distractions.
They don't matter in the end.
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to first break her contract with Orochi
>If there is still time, once she has been freed from Orochi apply the concept of Unification

I don't even care if The Demon King is her own autonomous faction. She may very well be a walking Spirit Bomb of the Japanese and need no master, and act as the country itself fighting back against this threat.
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>>4748770
whenever we apply a concept it breaks the contract set in place
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>>4748733
>illusory image of myself,
called it
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>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead
>Unification
Let's fucking go
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>>4748754
Grandpa eternally butthurt.

>>4748756
Unification's decent, but I'm not sure we should mess with her yet, especially if Unification causes her to unite with all possible selves. Won't she see this as a violation.

>>4748763
I'm actually wondering why Siegfried hasn't defected yet.

>>4748769
We did, but Shinji couldn't see through the illusion even with the possibility in his mind.
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?): progress

Isn't the whole reason why she can fight gods because she is the personification of Japan's progress? So I'd lean into that instead of straight using Avenger. Especially when this is the concept of avenger and not the class. If it was that easy all we'd have to do with Saber Alt is put lancer on her.
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>>4748775
>They don't matter in the end.
Someone I think that line of reasoning might bite him in the ass later on.
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Also qm, can you say what the other choices would have done to Enkidu?
I did tally all the votes like you asked.
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>>4748775
>be Orochi
>lose all your servants
>all your lost servants are converted to the enemy's side
>I-I didn't even want any of them
no wonder he's about to die
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>>4748779
>>4748776
>>4748756
>>4748749
I just want to point out, Nobu's Avenger version literally causes her to fade from existence, because it's something that can't exist due to being every possible incarnation of Nobunaga to ever exist ever at the same time.
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>>4748780
Complimentary power up for giving us her ear. Maybe have Shinji ask if she would like a chance to overcome her class container limitations and tap into her true potential?

We can't attack her, she's already weary of us. There is always the chance she gets CS'd but then >>4748775

Everything is bait, kill the snake.
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>>4748780
>I'm actually wondering why Siegfried hasn't defected yet.
...
sumenai.
Also he's been given a handler to contain his autism.
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>>4748791
That's if she goes full auto. If she sacrifices herself for her country taking down snake I don't see that as a bad end for her. Nippon Banzai the land of the rising sun and suicide rates.
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>>4748794
Vortigern has him on a leash, poor guy.

King of Dragons Charisma
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>>4748793
Break the contract immediately, ask if she wants a power up, apply power up? It'll up the time needed from 10 secs to maybe 30.

>>4748791
I'd rather not go for Unification then.
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>>4748791
if she does become an Avenger Nobu it wouldn't be a straight one to one of the Avenger Nobu we see in FGO, applying concepts to Servants seem to make them more "alive" if thats the right word for it
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Who's going to have the most servant stolen from them by the end of day R!Manaka or Orochi?

Current score R!Manaka:5 Orochi:3
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>>4748790
Yeah, kind of strange to summon all these Servants that you don't need when your enemy can steal them.
Unless he's doing it exclusively to flex by kicking our ass anyways.
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>>4748799
i don't think we can just do that can we? We've never just applied a power up, we only ever did it when breaking some sort of contract
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>>4748800
I'd avoid anything that risks her becoming Demon King Nobunaga. If anything, the closest I'd do is THE ROCK AND ROLL.
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>>4748803
We're wasting time dealing with them. We'd be kicking his door down otherwise.

>>4748804
I think we can, it's just weird to do that with long-time allies.
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>>4748799
Doesn't work that way. We can only imprint concepts when altering unwanted contracts, as seen for the first time with Shuten and every time since.
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>>4748789
Sure, you already know what Humanity does to an extent.
Freedom would give Enkidu the power to give Freedom to other people, allowing him to break contracts at a distance and also completely negate any binding abilities.
Sovereignty would've made him truly supreme over his own body, basically granting him the ability to become completely immutable and thus invincible.
Wisdom would've given him a natural talent to determine whether something would succeed or fail with almost complete accuracy. A skill that he could use in combat to practically plan out a fight perfectly before it starts.
Friendship would've given him Proof of Friendship A++

Also are you all ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you want to turn Nobunaga into the True Demon King?
You don't think that might backfire?
I mean, even if it doesn't end up burning out her spiritual core, you really don't think it could backfire?
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So this is the last update right?
If so, I'll leave you guys to the autistic discussion over what to do with Nobu. Hope you already have the 5 paragraph vote ready by the time I wake up.
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>>4748819
Yes that was the last update.
Good night thread!
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>>4748818
Freedom would have been the most powergaming option, but Liberation is best for clae. We did good.
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speaking of dumbass gods, we actually lucked putting Purification on Chiyome, if not, it would've been extremely fucking hard to deal with Ishtar and she likely would've been a fourth faction to deal with

>>4748818
yeah i feel like we made the right choice with Enkidu

>Also are you all ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you want to turn Nobunaga into the True Demon King?
Yeah
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>>4748827
Yeah, without Purification we would have needed to go there ourselves. It probably would have played out similarly, Jason tricking her, Illya giving power to Alcides to restrain her, us getting our 10 secs, but we wouldn't have been able to deal with Enkidu at the same time.

I am absolutely certain I DO NOT WANT the True Demon King Nobunaga.
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Let's give her progress or possibility.
Based on her quote she gets that anti-divine goodness.

The possibilities of mankind belong to men, the gods and Buddha should be respected and not relied upon; do you guys just plan to depend on the honorable Buddha for everything?
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Oh, and before I leave.
QM please. I'm begging you here.
I'll even forget about Lancer Alter. She's the only one I ALMOST whaled for.
Alright goodnight.
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>>4748837
You know, you could always ask Alaya for her the next time you speak with her.
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>>4748833
Actually, I'll back Progress or Possibility if you throw up a vote for it. That sounds like it'd fit her well enough.
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>>4748799
yep. thats why I specifically said break contract, then go for concept. I guess asking in-between steps is fine? But the arguments I'm seeing indicate there is a risk of missing out on the option if it's not instantaneously.

If people don't want Nobu suicide bombing Orochi with her decaying Saint Graph then..

>However, the body that houses the karma of fear and resentment of multitudes of people inside it, can not be contained within the Saint Graph of a Heroic Spirit whose "origin is just a human" and with each successive ascension, even more possible Nobunagas are edified. A multitude of possibilities sounds good on paper, but the end result that awaits is her meaning as a person vanishing due to diffusion. Nobunaga herself is aware of it, but doesn't talk about.

>"Well, how do I say this, don't you agree that I'm the most adorably cute even compared to the other mes? Actually, isn't the largest me scary?"

What about Persistence? Okita Alter also has it as a skill, it may help her exist despite an aggregate form.

>However, fundamentally, her form is not one that denies the gods and Buddha, but demonstrates Nobunaga's belief that "The possibilities of mankind belong to men, the gods and Buddha should be respected and not relied upon; do you guys just plan to depend on the honorable Buddha for everything?". That is what's "Innocent Monster"-like about her, however, her existence as the Demon King Nobunaga that became the enemy of gods and Buddha and imposes a severe life on all living beings is akin to that of the Tenma, even if she could be called a supporter of Buddhist teachings.

>"I am Demon King Nobunaga────The enemy of gods and Buddha and all living beings, reborn by surpassing the Heaven of Pleasure."

>Surpassing the Demon King of Pleasure.

Let's do her one better then. When Buddha ignored the thot under the Bohdi Tree he achieved Enlightenment, so why not impart this concept on Nobu to recreate that legend. Bodhisattva Nobu?

>Still, a point to make note of is that it's not like this "Demon King Nobunaga" is the pinnacle of Nobunagas. While it may be true that she's one of the most powerful forms born from the story known as "Nobunaga", that doesn't make her the "pinnacle", but the embodiment of the one furthest from the "truth"────the human-shaped flame that burns brightly on the other side.

However the thing that probably fits Nobu's ideals most, and would not really cause issues with her Demon King nature as it actually manifests the Truest form of her self would be the concept of..

>Anthropocentrism - Human Supremacy. She was all about having men do things with their own hands and leaving God to his heavens.
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>>4748841
But if we do that, what about EMIYA, EMIYA and TOHSAKA?
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>>4748843
And then Alcides gets a wife too.
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>>4748842
Already have a vote up for progress.
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>>4748844
Just ask for them too.
Maybe do some janny work for a while.
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>>4748738
Switching >>4748770
to back >>4748781
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>>4748841
Since she's a counter guardian, that means that Orochi couldn't have summoned her right?
So the tall woman with the sword isn't her then?
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Setting the Nobunaga discussion aside, some speculation:

>We did not see Paracelsus outside the castle. He's helping Orochi with his ritual.
>The Holy Grail was created with Zolgen's genius, Einzbern Alchemy, and the Fuyuki Leylines. Orochi.exe is running on Zolgen's hardware. Paracelsus is a master of Alchemy. Einzbern castle is one of the few locations in the city with the proper leylines for a lesser grail manifestation.
>The Grail is a clump of mana. Paracelsus's Philosopher Stones are crystallized mana.

Orochi is making his own bootleg uncorrupted Grail.
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>>4748837
Who is that?

>>4748843
Anthropocentrism might make her humanist and we have plenty of non-humans. I'm afraid of this making her an extremist if it effects personality.

I wonder if we can apply a concept to Ishtar toale her divinity incapable of being stolen and have Rin absorb it before the battle. It would be a great power up Rin can use if Orochi cannot block it.
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>>4748860
Is there a way to shut off a leyline temporarily without fucking the planet?

Have Gorgon get close, everyone leaves, she uses Pandemonium Cetus to ruin the source of Orochi's plans by corroding the leyline, and for good measure direct the resulting beam right through the castle.

>>4748863
Nobu has a good opinion of gods and Buddha despite being antithetical to them.
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>>4748863
Guys. I just realized, I know how to make the strongest Nobu. She will literally be so powerful, that if she dies she can just come back to life from being bored at being dead.

We give her the concept of GUDAGUDA
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>>4748843
I think I'm leaning towards just breaking the contract, actually. Powergaming aside, it's still a fundamental change of her being, practically a violation. It's not the same as doing it for someone who's been corrupted in order to purify them.

>>4748866
That PROBABLY results in Orochi busting out the country-breaking attacks. He's keeping Japan hostage so we don't break his Grail from afar, essentially.
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>>4748749
>>4748767
>>4748738
switching to this
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
She asked us to break the contract, let's just break the contract.

Though of the proposed concepts, I think Progress is the most fitting.
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now that we're dating Sakura, we should probably tell her to not call us onii-chan in public, don't really want people giving us weird looks
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>>4748923
That's the best part of dating your sister though.
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>>4748781
>>4748738
supporting progress
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Changing >>4748776

to

>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga, gently remove her hat and head pat her, using the contact made to break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes, or a contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power.

If Nobu ever becomes a problem Billy and EMIYA are the solution. Billy with the Shroud especially.

I'm in half a mind to ignore the concept for now and just use the excuse of breaking the contract to also remove her hat and pat her head. She doesn't know any better. Can't be too affectionate as Sakura is here. It's just a platonic compulsion please understand. As long as we also head pat males Sakura won't vore Shinji.

We can't accept her as a servant, not enough mana.
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So i'm looking up what a potential Satsuki route would have. Apparently she would get longer hair when she reaches her full power, the whole route would kinda just be Shiki taking care of her and looking after her after finding out she goes Dead Apostle, Ciel and Roa would hunt her down because of her absurd potential and the climatic fight would take place in the school with Arc, Shiki and Satsuki facing off against Roa and Nrvnqsr who've teamed up. Honestly sounded like a great fucking route, REALLY hope Nasu does it in TsukiR
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>>4748872
>We give her the concept of GUDAGUDA
This is the best option, time to cut down on the melodrama with gag-humor
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Progress
And if we are doing GUDAGUDA, why not try to emulate this?
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Devil_Saber
>Saber has a great advantage over characters representing the Fate franchise.
As much as it was a joke character and Okita, it is still part of Nobu too.
Adding something out of Okita Alter`s kit with image of Devil Saber in mind might do the trick. Boundlessness, for example.
It might even give her backing of Alaya as she will be representative of humanity and its limitless potential.
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>>4749022
QM said we can ask Alaya for Okita Alter if we really want her
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>>4749022
That would dead-end us, as our extreme marketability as the face of the Fate franchise will leave us completely powerless in her presence.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga, gently remove her hat and head pat her, using the contact made to break her contract with Orochi.
>>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes, or a contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power.
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>>4748738
>>4748973
Support

WASHI JA - Nobu
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When we have a chance to chat with Rin in a more peaceful setting we really should go full smug and mention what an interesting method of power transference she decided on for Obeithion.

After she starts spilling spaghetti Shinji then leans in and quietly asks her if she liked the present he made her, or if she would have preferred the original gothic aesthetic
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>>4749038
Isn't Rin always gonna be around us now? Its a done deal with Sakura now so she has an excuse plus we're one of the best if not the best Magus she knows, she's probably gonna make us research stuff with her
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>>4749042
Having her and Obeithion awkward and flustered around one another right before a battle might not be smart. Although if there's ~5mins between now and arriving at the battlesite with no interruptions (doubt) might make good banter for the ride. Might even get a KUHAHAHAHA out of Nobu
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>>4748738
>>4748781
+1
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>>4747734
Hello anonchama

Unless you dont like monstergirls

>>4747743
It's indeed not yet done, i have commissions to finish first though
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>>4748738
Switch >>4748909 to support >>4748973

>>4748923
No. NPCs aren't people, we don't care what they think. Our allies already know she's our sister. Let her keep calling us onii-san.

>>4748999
Interesting. Unfortunately, we know it won't happen.

>>4749044
Not enough time, we're looking at the battlefield. Tomorrow will be a day for rest, relaxation and funny hijinks.

I would also like to point out that Hope is exactly what Redman's been missing too.
Looks like Rin will be getting her sunny fairytale day.
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>>4749107
Incest is a lot less weird in the eyes of the ancients and royals we're surrounded by. Especially when she was adopted into the family originally, it's actually normal as fuck for a royal lineage.

Bold of you to assume there will be a tomorrow
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>>4749107
>Tomorrow will be a day for rest, relaxation and funny hijinks.
Meh
Lets blitz Manaka after snek is dead in the morning
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>>4749111
Oh, I know. Pretty much only the moderns will be squicked by this, and they can cope.

There will be. Or God gets it[/spoiler.
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>>4749112
After today, we're sleeping 12 hours straight and then we're organising catering for a "We killed grandpa" celebratory feast. With cuisine from everyone's home country. We're rich, let's act like it for a single day.
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>>4748544
>my country gets invaded by Japan
>AGAIN

no sir i dont like it, but thats life
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>>4749107
>No. NPCs aren't people, we don't care what they think
good point, didn't think about that

>I would also like to point out that Hope is exactly what Redman's been missing too.
>Looks like Rin will be getting her sunny fairytale day.
No i want Rin, also she isn't out of the woods yet if Medea has anything to say about it
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>>4749119
>sleeping 12 hours straight
It looks like some girls have other ideas
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>>4749119
>After today, we're sleeping 12 hours straight and then we're organising catering for a "We killed grandpa" celebratory feast
Manaka is about to destroy reality in like 6 days and she's likely going to have Beast VI rampage before she lets us stop her
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>No one going for this version
Shit taste, the lot of you

>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
ROCK 'N ROOOOOOLLLLLLLL this is obviously a joke vote
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>>4749135
Once again posting ate my image, i hate my net sometimes
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
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>>4749121
Korea moment?
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>>4749147
Flip also my id changed from my phone hm
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>>4749150
ah, yes. the strongest race
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>>4749121
Get a heroic spirit of your own and we'll let them rule you in peace. And you reminded me, I made a promise to WhatIs.

>>4749126
>6 days
Exactly. We have more than enough time. It's been less than a week since the war started, and we've been eating nothing but nutrient bars for days. It's the perfect moment for some RnR.
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I'm glad that the servants of my country are pretty much based af
billy, bunyan, (geronimo), etc.
My poor injun dude got scuffed by DW, how tf can you make geronimo so bad when that dude declared war on ALL of mexico
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>>4749158
Let Illya do lebensraum and make Nobu gobble asian part of russia
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>>4749162
Haven't found a way to split countries yet.

I'm also holding out hope for Anastasia Nikolaevna, so the commies will start spinning in their graves.
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>>4749158
blue benis country :DDDDD

>>4749162
I did bring up the Lebensraum for Ilya ages ago, good catch.

Also we were going to nuke Israel.

>>4749161
Geronimo is really strong in lore. In game, not so much.

>>4749162
Nobu died before she got to shed Korean blood. Now is her chance.
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>>4749161
Tesla and Voyager are based too

>>4749158
why would we even give Luvia countries? Or Illya? Mordred and Iskandar really are the only ones that would go conquering
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>>4749169
I propose Olympics to settle any territory disputes, locate the contest in the territory that is disputed. Those that get higher fame there have an advantage, but that just makes it more rightfully theirs
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>>4749167
Geronimo, like boudica, was screwed over by showing up in singularities that had their designated fan-wank servants overshadow everything about them, and because of this, if someone else was a really good servant it wouldn't let the precious ones shine enough.

Yes, I'm seething and I will not breathe in the copium.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to only break her contract with Orochi.
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>>4749169
Illya because we wrecked her castle. Luvia because why not.
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>>4749175
a bold assumption that mordred will ever get her power into america, what with billy here to say otherwise. Remember, this guy still hasn't had a concept put into him, and you KNOW he'd ask for it to defend his home. He's definitely not about to let the U.S fall back into the hands of royalty, especially considering in his time, the hatred of the royalty was much stronger.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga and use your power to apply a concept to her instead (What Concept?)
>Progress
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>>4749177
Mordred just wants England either way
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I'd like to speak some autism and remind
>>4749175
That demon and devil are not equivalent in asian shit, if it matters.
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>>4749180
she can have it. Also anons, I would die laughing if Billy straight up said "I wanna be president" and we help him get into the oval office haha
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>>4749182
well this is 2004 and Bush is a wildly unpopular president by the time he leaves office so its looking good for ole Billy boy
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>>4749185
always lookin good for my boy billy, he's got a...great shot... at being president
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>>4749188
>>4749185
A timeline with no King Nigger, bless
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Shuten eats the clintons right?
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>>4749193
I am not aware of a timeline where you aren't present
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The thought of Based Billy debating Obama deeply amuses me.

>>4749194
Bidens too.
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>>4749193
inb4 he's Quantum Time-locked
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>>4749199
I'm no king

>>4749201
Nyarlathotep, I'm here to bargain.
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>>4749200
And the bri""ïsh pretenders currently on the throne
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>>4749200
the timeline where Mordred only conquers Canada for some reason but not the rest of Europe
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>>4749207
English-speaking country where they still acknowledge the British Queen. Like it or not, she is their rightful King.

I find it funny that everyone objects to Mordred getting North America but no one has mentioned straya even once.
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I have a feeling Nobu is gonna end becoming some kind of magitech shit too, with "Progress" as a concept.
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>>4749200
Get Jalter and put her on Quebec
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>>4749200
you know, I'm really worried someone's gonna end up summoning Quetz somehow, and we'll just preemptively leave mexico alone because quetz would just decimate anyone who said south america doesn't belong to her
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>>4749209
straya doesn't have anybody to claim it other than arachne if she ever shows up in any fate series
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>>4749212
Give them Giles.

>>4749209
Fuck off, we're full. Queenie can visit in her swimsuit.
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>>4749214
This place is too young with huwite history, and dspite my best efforts to dig into the petrolsniffer mythos the best characters are a giant rainbow snake and a crowman-thing with bags full of tornadoes that loves playing tricks on people.

Plenty of Phantasmal beasts though.
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>>4749216
Absolute Demonic Front: Australia
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>>4749216
I remember some culture heroes there did shit like pull down the Milky Way from the sky and put it up somewhere else. Also had some shaman shit with animal spirits being something like totems/past incarnations of people and getting possession of past lives shit going on.
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>>4749221
If you want based genuine primitive myth go with pacific islanders. Nothing here but rocks and beasts.

You could pretend the giant rock in the centre is the back of a great dormant beast like Behemoth or something but it's a far reach.

It's a good continent to make complete OC donut steal for though
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>>4749219
You say that as if australia isn't already that way.

I'm craving african and australian servants, although I DID hear that the rainbow snake was a servant somewhere, but kinda jobbed or just barely shows anywhere
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>>4748738
>>4749022
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>>4749224
I swear I had an old meme of Demifiend eating Yurlungur like that guy with the giant gummy worm before but I can't seem to find it
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>>4749224
I seem to remember Rainbow Snake being a thing in Requiem, or at least mentioned, but it may have been a loli. Sorry bro.
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>>4749224
Australian Mythos is basically

Primordial Dreamlands Acid Trip Snakes dreams up all reality. This creator dreamland can be tapped into still if you sniff enough petrol or methylated spirits.

Hypothetically strong but incredibly low iq mystics weave his powers into new shapes as things just independently manifest from it on their own.

A few odd powerful entities show up.

Sticks and bugs the culture for 60? 000 years at last count by (((academics)))

Captain Cook should be pretty strong or just very lucky Until he wasn't and got eaten in Hawaii having mapped this godforsaken place full of strange mythological beats found nowhere else.

Ned Kelly is a Billy tier Archer with a bit more durability but his feats are very average.

If a person with an actual IQ started using the mythos as a basis for magecraft they could hypothetically be very strong though. It's basically Azathoth Authority almost without the horror.
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Steve could be memed into a modern Noah knockoff due to popular fame
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>>4749234
dude that sounds metal as fuck.
some guy just chugs a whole damn gas can of petrol and sees the UNIVERSE
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>>4749236
>Charisma of the Sick Cunt: A++
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>>4749234
okay for real though, there ain't shit known about any real servants so I guess that just powers up the mystery of australia? If there's any place that should be a hotspot for mystery, it's in a place like australia where the abbos still worship these spirits hardcore.
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>>4749242
Imagine how much Mystery a place like the ocean depths contains.
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I wake up just in time for us to hit bump.
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>>4749243
you'd have to ask anyone who's been down there, like BB, Nemo, etc.
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>>4749243
I used that in my own quest backstory, which you may see in time

>>4749242
Yeah this place would be incredible for magic due to the high level of mystery, maybe it bleeds into the dreamlands directly. There's an ozone hole, there could be a very thin divide to reach into the reverse side or something. Plus Antarctica is 49% ours which is another lovely pit of mystery
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>>4749244
can shinji illustrate smug_redman.png from memory?
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>>4749247
He could just tell Redman Rin kissed Obeithion unprompted when we asked her to give her a power buff and he'll make it on demand.
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>>4749246
australia, antarctica, deep ocean, etc. There's a metric fuckton of weird places on earth that have a lot of mystery surrounding them but nobody either looks deep into it, or can.

I'm certain that something real neat can come from straya, but DW has no idea what to do with it. INB4 LB m8
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I realized we're lucky we used Progress instead of Innovation for Nobu. Nobu's innovation is specifically "replacing the old with the new", which may have been not good with our AoG allies.
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I hope you've thought through just what you want to do with Nobu enough.
It is possible to Dead End if you make a mistake here.
Anyway, busy day for me today, so this'll probably be my last post for 5-6 hours.
Also, she'll still need a Master, if you want to decide on that.
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>>4749253
Headpatting is a mistake, confirmed.
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>>4749254
Agreed.
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>>4749200
Although I can imagine worse fates than being put under reign of the most illustrious kaiserin Illyasviel a thing to consider when partitioning the world, aside from obvious objections from those currently in charge of it, is what putting an assortment of more or less immortal and/or divine beings will do to the humanity. If they are nice to each other it might lead to stagnation Alaya would not appreciate, and if they are not and end up coming to blows, shit could spiral out of control especially with all the powerups we're handing out like well deserved candy.

I guess what I'm saying we should look into spacetravel for more lebensraum, timeline seeding and if we're looking into eternity, avalon and similar solutions.
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>>4749256
We're already planning on looking into those, I think. If we're BTFOing Mystery, we might as well try to actively guide people to figure out Magics and trying to play Humanity against Otherworlds (including Outer Space) imo, let's see what happens.
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>>4749253
Will Nobuzerker be able to (literally) melt people's faces off with her sick shredding?
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>>4749253
What vote is winning anyway?
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>>4749254
>>4749255
I will die on my sword, I'm not backing down on it.
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>>4749253
Cool, I'll be asleep when it hits reee
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>>4748738
Switching >>4748909 and >>4749107 to

>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have the concept of Progress applied if she wishes, or a contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power.

That should cover everything. I say we give her to Rin if she doesn't express a preference herself.
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>>4749253
Master, hm...

Would giving her Independence or similar concept allow her to go without one?

Of the available, how about Miho? She will have to somehow come to terms with the Oni minority.
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>>4749264
Miho isn't here. It'll have to be us (no mana), Rin or Sakura.
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>>4749263
I'm letting her choose because I'm curious to see how WhatIs would approach this narratively if he was given the choice, acting as nobu
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>>4749265
...does SHIKI have any aptitude as a Master?
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>>4748738
Changing
>>4749179
To
>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have the concept of Progress applied if she wishes, or a contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power.

You know, it did convince me not to apply random concepts to people who aren't expecting it, but I am hoping she lets us.
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>>4749269
Does SHIKI count as having infinite Od due to being immortal and Od being lifeforce? He may suddenly have stupid affinity to Qi shit like Sphere Boundary or magecraft if he has some circuits at least.
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>>4749200
He probably just shoots him halfway through the debate when Obama makes a sudden movement.
World Council Meetings sure will be fun to go to.
Also I love that this implies that Mordred just sails up and finds Iceland before arbitrarily deciding to conquer both it and Greenland.
Also, Mordred should also take Jamaica, considering their official language is English and they recognize Elizabeth II as Queen.

>>4749258
Sure.
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>>4749200
>Poland
>Under German rule
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>>4748738
Scratch >>4749263. Switching to

>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference

>>4749266
You're right.
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>>4748738
Changing
>>4749270
To
>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference

inb4 Nobu gets Command Seal'd and kills us and that the Dead End we didn't prepare for
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>>4749277
Can we just die now and not in 6 hours?
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>>4749271
Kind of?
It's more that it just regenerates really really fast.
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>>4749273
I forgot they're Scandinavian, legit didn't know about Jamaica. Revised.

>>4749277
She has a hundred muskets trained on us. If she gets CS'd we're dead. Let's hope Orochi won't check in for the next 20 secs.
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>>4749284
That's basically the same isn't it? He can keep burning/using up all his lifeforce every instant because its not like he'll die and it regens.
This is literally what Marisbilly's Seraphix Torture Reactor is lmao
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>>4749269
SHIKI isn't a master currently. We'll have to hack him a set of command seals, like Touko or Gilgamesh did.
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>>4749286
Contract break comes first for that reason, we were fucked in every situation if he had a look in that time period anyway.

Interesting we know that Orochi's servants aren't fully privy to intel or Orochi doesn't actually know what we did to Chiyome yet, only assumes she died.

I hope we didn't accidentally let him know by flexing but we wouldn't know that he potentially didn't know what happened to her in that case.

We should keep her as a CS'd teleported in trump card for that reason. Let him waste a turn trying his curseaids before we show we have a counter
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>>4749287
>SHIKI learns sudoku blood explosion tech from Hinako

Simply ebin. Let's look for her after the war
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>>4749287
That would be extremely painful.
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>>4749286
You also forgot about the Falkland Isles near Argentina.
They still seethe about losing a war to the UK after trying to invade land that the UK colonized that was completely uninhabited when they visited it.
Proximity is a good casus belli, right?
Also you might also want to give Mordred the British Empire parts of Africa too.
Just add a splash of color in the southern hemisphere.
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>>4749290
Even if he sees we stole her, he shouldn't know it's his perfect counter. I'd like to keep her close at hand, and not have to waste our own turn countering his with a cs.
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>>4749286
Are we taking Russia for our Makiri lineage? Zolgen was from Kiev.
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>>4749295
A CS is a free action as it's just talking in a fight by anime logic
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>>4749292
U U U U
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>>4749297
It's only a free action if your opponent is fucking around.
Otherwise you get your arm torn off and you get thrown out of a window.
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*dabs on Putin*
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>>4749294
Anything else I'm missing?

>>4749296
I say we don't rule anything ourselves. Gives us more time to chill in the mansion with our wives and kids. Allows us to step in and settle disputes with no accusations of bias.

Our mansion will be part of the sovereign territory of the Queen of Dragons.
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>>4749286
Depending on what happens after the war for Shirou, if he goes to live in Germany with Illya and Kerry and you do give her the country, Saber is going to be forced to act as Illya's prime minister. She's better at ruling than Jason, who is kind of useless as a king.
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>>4749304
I'm assuming we'll have incarnated all Servants by then, and they'll all be free to go where they want as long as they don't cause trouble.

Saber can be Kaiserin Illya's Chancellor if she wants, naturally.
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>>4749299
How do you interpret active Presence Concealment? Is it a toggle switch or do they have to be actively sneaking around off the the side?

Invisible Chiyome pigback ride into Orochi's cave!
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>>4749305
Feed merkel to Shuten
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>>4749310
I guess that to activate it, they need to be unseen to start with, maybe?
They can't just turn invisible in front of the enemy normally.
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>>4749312
So she can invisible piggyback, as long as it's activated out of line of sight
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>>4749314
If you really want, yes.
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>>4749311
Let's just play it safe and feed all current world leaders to Shuten.
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>>4749319
Anything associated with globalhomo

>>4749317
Cute curseproof backpack
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>>4749311
hey Fuck you, Merkel is based.
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference
>>4749326
You're being fed to Shuten, Fritz.
We'll have concentration camps for marxists and globohomos, but it's actually just a small room containing a group of hungry Oni or Sakura.
We have like 300 Oni.
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>>4749330
I hope we get Anastasia too so we can give her Russia and taste the commie tears.
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>>4748738
>>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.
>>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference


>>4749330
Bring it, fag.
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>>4749332
I'm just imagining a potential scenario where Chaldea comes to our world in 2018 by accident.
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>>4749326
Unbased

>>4749330
Based.
If Fou stays angry he can be door number 3? Who else is a flesh eating monster?

>>4749337
Mashu's shield is a very potent summoning artefact. Thank you for your donation
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>>4749336
You're going into Sakura's belly, commie.
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>>4749339
It just costs money to use
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>>4749339
Satsuki?
Medea if she uses Circe's magic?
Meltryllis/Passionlip/Kingprotea if we get BB to summon/make them?
Alitheia?
Medea's wyvernspam?
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>>4749341
I accept the reward for my service.

Fuck you for calling me a commie though. I'm a social democrat. Communism and national socialism is cancer of the world.
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>>4749347
>reward
He's a good man, deep down. I say we keep the kraut, unless he really wants his reward.
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>Matthew 10:36
>A man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
All will go into Sakura's belly
We will feed her even those of our own
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>>4749346
Ah the Wyvern den is a good one.

And various other dragonkin from the reverse side.

Satsuki stays pure

Protea can't manifest outside a datascape

Passionlip can cube people, but we also have daughterspheres. I guess they can make abstract hell building blocks

Melt varies depending on where you pull her from. Is she post Seraphix?

Daughter smush or eraserbeam. Do people killed by truthbeam get isekai'd?

We could always summon Circe and give her an island so she can make a menagerie out of commies.
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>>4749339
Remember, Olga Marie summoned Merlin somehow. I think Moneybills is still up to his old tricks, even without his evil genius secret antarctic base, and we'll find Mashu locked in a basement when we pay him a visit.
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>>4749352
she's adoption age right now too
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>>4749352
No Galahad inside her yet though
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>>4749352
Did Olga Marie summon Merlin, or did Merlin Independent Manifestation up to her?
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>>4749353
Exactly. We have two daughters to save next week. Her and Kiara.

>>4749354
Don't care about Galahad. Want another daughter.

>>4749355
She said something about a summoning circle, and she had command spells that couldn't command him. He's pretending to be her Servant for now.
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>>4749356
If you want to do that we'll also need some Immortality Elixir for her shitty Designer Baby lifespan.
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>>4749355
oooooouuhHHHHH Beast 7Years Old

>>4749356
Having played through Ooku recently I find it incredibly hilarious that Mashu says she's never felt love for someone before. Guda absolutely btfo
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>>4749358
Ishtar may have fixed Ilya's problem with that. Assclap is a phonecall away anyway
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>>4749358
We're fixing Illya and the Einzbern homunculi anyway. We'll fix her too. I bet Shishou could cook something up without relying on elixir hacks.

And damn I just realised Atalante will be pretty much an instant 99/100.
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>>4749352
>>4749355
Could Merlin have manifested because we brought Morgan out?
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>>4749361
headpat evil cat
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>>4749361
We just won't stop saving and adopting children.
Even if we have to dab on Goddesses to do so.
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>>4749362
Might be that, might be when we broke his stupid prophecy by crowning Mordred. He did rant about prophecy when we met him.

>>4749363
We're not hurting any kids. She's psychotic, but not evil as long as we don't trigger her.
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>>4749367
>Alignments: Neutral・Evil

Evil cat!
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>>4749361
Atalanta can run the orphanage for all the children we feed to the voresquad.

Also Medusa would probably eat a few people for us as Gorgon if we asked her.
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>>4749368
something something Evil/Good Alignment is how they see themselves and Lawful/Chaotic is their principles.

Something something Sasaki is evil because he believes if you ever kill you are evil and he accepts it something something.
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>>4749369
All the Children who's parents we feed to voresquad I mean.
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>>4749371
Then why isn't Gilles Neutral Good?
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>>4749368
Welp. No more evil than our Evil Witch at least.

>>4749369
All the orphans we save from magus basements too. Hell, we could put her in charge of the world's child protection services and have her hunt down pedos and the like.
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>>4749373
Gilles knows he does "evil" he's just trying to bait God into responding and smiting him or proving to him that God is also evil. He doesn't think he's doing good, he's just assmad God let Jeanne go crispy.
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>>4749374
Atalanta will be very happy with her role as the Global Anti-Groomer
Lets capture Altrouge and lock her in a room to force her to eat all the commies we send to her.
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>>4749374
>>4749371
Atalante sees herself as Evil because she murdered every single person who lost a race to her just as she said they would.

>During the hunt Hyleus and Ancaeus were killed, Peleus accidentally injured a fellow hunter and others were wounded until Atalanta first stuck the boar, drawing its blood.[4] After this feat, killing the boar became a collective effort as, after the initial blow, Amphiaraus shot the boar’s eye and Meleager ended its life.[4] Meleager awarded the hide to Atalanta for her valour,[6][15] but it was quickly taken away by Meleager's uncles, Plexippus and Toxeus, who were enraged and thought it was dishonourable for a woman to hold such a prize.[4] In response, Meleager killed his uncles.[4] Althaea, Meleager's mother became deeply grief-stricken after hearing of her brothers’ death, that she threw the log that was tied to her son’s life into a fire, killing him.

If the boar isn't a cursed beast I don't know what is, that's a hell of a taking you with me effect.

>>4749379
Image but with Altrouge with troons and commies
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.
>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference
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Maybe take this none quest related autism to another board?
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>>4748738
>>4749276
Support

What the hell guys, when did we decide to take over the world? I thought we were going harry potter?
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>>4749385
Harry Potter still happens, the clocktower needs to be dismantled before Mordred gets londonistan
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>>4749385
Clocktower Arc is preparation for taking over the World.
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>>4749384
We just want to feed the commies to our cute waifus.
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>>4749386
The Wandering Sea is going COOM and be our biggest ally probably. Instead of seeking the Root, they want to bring back AoG, because the Root itself was closer to people to such a degree nobody even wanted or needed to search for it.
Sharing Truth instead of Law of Consumption that assimilates Mysteries iirc
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>>4749381
What would it take to beat her in a race?
Cheating with the second?
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>>4749390
Just ask Alcides for some apples
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>>4749386
>>4749387
Alright. How do we deal with the association going after us for today's shit?
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>>4749393
Feed them to Sakura
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Why does everyone want Alcides to fuck their sister? Seriously. First Castor then

>In the underworld, his is the only shade that does not flee Heracles, who has come after Cerberus. In Bacchylides' Ode V, Meleager is still in his shining armor, so formidable, in Bacchylides' account, that Heracles reaches for his bow to defend himself.

>Heracles is moved to tears by Meleager's account; Meleager has left his sister[12] Deianira unwedded in his father's house, and entreats Heracles to take her as bride

>>4749393
We feign our death in the conclusion of the war, it has to appear the servants all faded out too
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>>4748738
>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference

Thank God my vote worked.
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>>4749392
Let's ask Alan to give us Za Warudo.
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>>4749393
i honestly don't thikn the clock tower can do much, even more if we just keep to japan planning until we decide to attack.
We still going to fuck England the capitalist way to weaken then?
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>>4749393
Ah, that's the easiest thing in the world.

A) They were able to cover up Cthulhu in the harbor and a literal hell portal opening over the city and spewing burning cursemud. The normies will never know.
B) Waver is a friend and we're giving him his dude back. We're fixing Reines's crest. What's the point of having a Lord in your pocket if he won't help you pin the blame for everything on dear old grandpa? The story practically writes itself:
>Grandpa was left seething after I stole his assassin and ruined his plans for the second time
>He summoned Orochi into his own body, killing himself so he could have revenge
>I tried to stop him immediately, but was unsuccessful
>The time I spent to prepare for a second go gave him the time to summon a full set of servants, send a few to rampage across the city as a distraction and summoned two, yes two dragons.
>Luckily, thanks to the timely arrival of Lord El-Melloi II we were able to defeat him in the nick of time.
>He's the real hero here, we should all applaud his wits, courage and strength.
>Lord El-Melloi II, Reines El-Melloi Archisorte as well as your own Enforcer Bazett Fraga McRemitz will all corroborate my story.
>Now, how do I enroll?

>>4749396
War ended inconclusively as it always does, with no winner. All servants disappeared and you can't prove otherwise.
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If Sakura absorbs us, God and Azathoth she will be able to visit higher realms and consume them too
She will be completed
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>>4749400
financial subjugation of the normies parallel to clocktower recruiting and mystery solving before the big move to take it all with the 2008 total financial system rugpull to the economy and waking up Albion
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>>4749401
Ah, forgot. We can add Aoko Aozaki, the Fifth, as a defense witness as well.
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>>4749396
Why even do that? It's a waste of time considering the power Shinji is going to have at the end of this. Even going to the clocktower is a waste of time. Shinji has his relationship, children, martial arts and magecraft to sort through.

The clocktower also isn't Suicidal enough to fight Shinji with his power, connections, and servants. Besides you'd have to falsely not just Shinji's death but Rin and a couple of others like Shiro.
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>>4749401
bigger brain idea than new identity actually, good job.
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>>4749405
because clocktower university arc will actually be fun and a good mix of SoL and high end conceptual shit like the tomb of albion and the likely full hades authority cerberus in the basement?
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By the way, Proto Merlin is based unlike normal Merlin, and desires endless future instead of an "ending". So if shes around she could be an ally against other Merlin.

"I'm merely a woman of such a like that I think it would be fine if the journey of you all were to be forever unending."

Merely hates boredom.
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>>4749403
That's too far away for now, I think he meant in the immediate future. I'm pretty sure Zelrich can get us off the hook. If I remember correctly he helps Rin get out of trouble for destroying the Grail.

We should form a rival to the association while we wait to take over the english. We need an already established magical squad for when mystery starts springing up again.
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>>4749413
recruit stealyoung talent from clocktower first, then start our own with hookers and blackjack
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>>4749407
Thanks senpai!

>>4749413
Harry Potter infiltration arc will be way more fun than immediately going into 4X mode.
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>>4749416
Or just massively fill the numbers of Wandering Sea seeing as our goals align
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>>4749411
It sounds like a side track from actually world threatening shit we should be preparing for. Like the DAA ritual, the einzberns, snowfield etc. Not to mention all the relationships racked up along with the children. How do you expect to carve out time for all of that. It's kind of the consequences of being greedy about the attempt to have a large harem.

Speaking ofarge harems we really should find a way for puppets to be our shadow clones.
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>>4749416
Approximately 100% of the Clocktower students would let Shuten eat their arms for a chance to study under Paracelsus. And he'd be ecstatic to become Headmaster of our new school.
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We can think more about this when we have right manaka dead at our feet.
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>>4749402
We'll just send her to absorb Lostbelts instead.
I want to see Zeus piss and shit himself when something absorbs all the other Gods.
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>>4749424
Who wouldn't let a cutie like Shuten eat their arms?
A faggot that's who.
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>>4749420
>Opposing the methodology of the Clock Tower, they refuse to accept the consumer civilization of modern humanity and remain completely incompatible.

Based.

>>4749422
DAA ritual is also in Aylesbury, England. Acht is such a joke at this point it's a quick hour stroll through the kino snow forest with him being able to do nothing to stop our leisurely advance and a 30 second flattening inside the house.

Snowfield is 2008. We can scry Prelati at any time and slow/stop it. Also Snowfield could also be content.

>>4749426
Arjuna Alter swings Mahapralaya, a new universe is formed. Something feels off about this one however as something rises out of the ocean and it begins to blacken over
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>>4749426
If Sakura can go higher it means she can eat Nasu
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>>4749401
lol, that's brilliant
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>>4749428
Just have her absorb them all in chronological order.
Spam hundreds of Chaos Tide Ivans at gigachink.
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>>4749428
Prelati is kinda based because she wants to render the the 3rd Magic and Holy Grails reproducible.
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>>4749433
If we didn't know it could result in requiem I'd agree
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>>4749428
So can we teach the little girl that wanted to learn martial arts in england or help Saber Fairy find herself in a magus infected place?

Also don't underestimate Acht. You guys did the same with Zouken and we are paying dearly for that. Wanting to wait for Sakura when he was obviously rolling for a game changer.

Shinji has to learn a lot to round out the gaps we have seen in his kit during this war. Scrying, faster casting, item construction, learning from servants etc.
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>>4749433
That leads to Requiem and/or Amakusa's shitty utopia. Let's just feed her to Sakura and be done with it.
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>>4749433
the problem is that can backfire horribly.
Best case scenario would be like it was in the servant verse, worse is requiem.
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Did we figure out who Wavers groups Servants were yet?
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>>4749437
>So can we teach the little girl that wanted to learn martial arts in england
Medea can teleport. Distances mean nothing to us now.

>Also don't underestimate Acht. You guys did the same with Zouken and we are paying dearly for that. Wanting to wait for Sakura when he was obviously rolling for a game changer.
You honestly expect Acht to be an obstacle compared to Orochi and Manaka? And the problem with Zouken was not that we waited for Sakura, because we didn't. It's that we split up and didn't have Alcides with us to instagib the god.
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>>4749437
Zouken did all of the heavy lifting in regards to the grail. Justeaze was the only one close to as important in the setup of the grail.

Acht is nothing in comparison.
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We should definitely check if the Moon Cell exists here.
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>>4749441
There was discussion earlier on. Perseus and Minamoto are a given, I don't remember if we came to a conclusion about the rest.

>>4749444
And dismantle the moon if it does. We'll build a new one in its place.
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>>4749443
If Acht summons like Odin or Surtr into himself I am going to shit a house.
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>>4749446
If its Surtr just leave and let Alaya clean it up
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>>4749445
we dont know if its raikou
i feel like shinji would notice giant boobs on the small clay statue
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>>4749446
>Acht can become yet another superboss if he decides to summon a god of calamity into himself

My eyes have rolled into orbit. No more, please. Also, checking >>4749444 trips of death perception
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>>4749446
If someone summons Odin I want Alcides and Medea to turn him into a kino Rune Mystic Code.
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>>4749446
Odin will just killsteal Orochi
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>>4749445
I think shirtless cloak might be Old Man Diaz.
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Also, in Case Files theres a dude thats like Gray but to Wukong, wonder what happened to that guy now that Wukong is summoned.
We also hear about a chinese Association.

"The Guan (Chinese for "manor") is an Asian organization of thought mages with more members than the Clock Tower, but the Clock Tower is still considered the biggest mage organization because they're more well organized.
".
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>>4749452
Stop you're bringing back the ptsd.
>Achilles' heel wasn't a weak point at all lol
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>>4749454
Stinks of retcon lmao.
Fuck Nasu.
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How would Acht even control a servant, even if we assume he summons some overpowered divine spirit into himself. He has no command spells.

He's have to just repeat the Orochi arc which would be very unengaging from a meta point of view.

I'm surprised people, including WhatIs questioned clae map.

Even with scuffed figures it still made him show him qm notes a bit
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>>4749457
I think WhatIs just speedread and didn't realize we wanted clay figurines.

Acht also doesn't have a grail to summon himself a servant, and he's nowhere near smart enough to build one. We'll just have to deal with time-alter maids until Illya turns them.
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Let's take Gil and Enkidu to the Awakening Mirror Grail War.
Imagine the YAMERO from Saber when Gil just shows up again somehow.
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>>4749459

Arc MPs the entire floor into deep sloppy tar so they're all stuck, Sakura binds stragglers that were midair at the time with ribbons. Acht gets a not giving your life correctly fist to the face.

No casualties
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>>4749459
He stole our genetic material during Castle visit
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>>4749459
Time Alter Maid Army vs Oni Army vs Ioniai Hetaroi who wins?
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>>4749459
Acht is just a mansion AI golem. He doesn't even have a soul as a human would call it, since Einzbern shit is based on Nature Spirit imitation. Specifically, Rhinemaidens to go with having the Rhinegold. All their magecraft is based on that story seemingly. I wonder if we'll see stuff like Alice's Ploys
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We have to fore Sakura to go to the gym after this is over.
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>>4749463
Remember detached Truth bodyparts are scuffed and garbage tier. After the arm was removed it immediately blacked into ash from the poison that we didn't even have skin blemishes from.

Also I'm not sure if it matters so much but circuit count was lower, quality was lower, rm was less active so its very very dilute. Good point though.
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>>4749465
We should've gone to say hi to Alice while we were nearby.
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>>4749468
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>>4749463
He thought we were a martial artist with no circuits. I'm not discounting it entirely, but I think it's not that probable.

Still, worst case scenario is army of Time Alter Truth Maids. We can manage.

>>4749466
No. Sakura should remain soft and well-fed.
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>>4749466
No.
Plump Sakura is best Sakura
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>>4749466
Self-Modification: EX renders the gym pointless.
She can become a seven foot tall amazon with bigger booba than Passionlip and a sixpack on a whim.
Or also a loli.
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>>4749473
There is no need for other women at that point. It's more for their sake to return feelings
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>>4749473
we should have both medusa and sakura go loli sometimes so we can headpat.
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It seems according to Case Files, Asian Associations are badass. There are two, one is descendants of Xianren, like Yu Miyaoi, and are Mysteries just by existing and can breathe mana like a dragon.
The other uses Ideological Magecraft that still connects to some small part of AoG Foundations...
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>>4749473
But we should keep telling her we love her best the way she is now. Don't want her to think she's inadequate for even a second.

>>4749474
>There is no need for other women
I have been saying that from the beginning of the Quest! Sakura (and Medea after Alitheia) are all we need.
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>>4749475
Yeah.
Headpats.
of course....
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>>4749474
Sakura would literally swallow the entire world for us.
She can take any form we ask for.
She's going to be forever devoted to us.
She is the supreme wife.
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>>4749478
>I have been saying that from the beginning of the Quest! Sakura (and Medea after Alitheia) are all we need.
Autist...My Dream of Utopia permits no compromise.
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>>4749482
Does it permit Sakura absorbing all the other girls?
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>>4749479
picrel

>>4749481
Finally, finally you all see!

>>4749482
Pursue your dreams anon! Pursue them even if they kill you!
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Just hold poll about worst waifus and let Sakura consume everyone who can't make it to top 5
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>>4749483
It categorically does not. We can only be enemies in this field.
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On a scale of 1-10
How much will Rin seethe when Sakura casually makes her booba even larger in fron of her?
How much will she seethe when Sakura gets a more muscled toned body than her with a single thought?
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>>4749487
But I bet Sakura would say they tasted really good.
Like victory.
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>>4749486
Somebody make the poll.
Time to find out who's going into Sakura's belly.
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>>4749485
>Pursue your dreams anon! Pursue them even if they kill you!
You are absolutely correct, in that my determination and Hope is unswervingly aimed at my desired future, can we go back to the fact that there are these fucking uber magi in Asia that we never knew about?

"However, the small fraction of those who yet maintain authority as to connect unto Foundations come of the Age of Gods, belong as of the organization called as the Summit Court (lit. "mountain summit court of law") — the executives of which, referred to as the Ten Officers, are said to legitimately be as Xiānrén (仙人, sennin; in Chinese culture, "immortal sages"). "

With Xianren being:
"And if perhaps the numerous rumors concerning the Xiānrén (仙人, sennin) are true, it could be said that they are even as they live as personifications of Mystery itself ... that their corpora notwithstanding, unto even a single breath that spills forth; unto even a single tear, [their being is] without exception borne of potent Mystery."
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>>4749492
Not worried.
Oda, Wukong and Shuten can deal with it.
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>>4749479
both, but more headpats
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>>4749492
Being of Mystery means that any lesser Mystery or anything based on it just does literally nothing. It's like Magic Resistance but for actual people, or well...If Lugh is a person then yeah.
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>>4749493
An example of Xian or Xianren is Yu Meiren who was pretty damned strong, so we'll see how much effort is needed. Maybe Oda can trample them with boosted Tenka Fubu.

Xianren are like chinese bootleg True Ancestors so maybe Arc can just stroll in and take command.
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>>4749496
Ok so Arc and Lugh rape?
And we gigarape?
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>>4749497
Just send in Tamamo and tell her to fuck them up.
Or fucking "soloes all of Heaven in a 1vAll Wukong" themselves.
I'm betting Wukong is actually massively busted.
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>>4749500
Sun Wukong in China should be absolutely unstoppable.
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So, how badly did the Einzbern fuck up Illya with the Grail calibrations and shit given image related from Hollow Ataraxia?
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>>4749501
>go to S I N
>summon Wukong
>watch the fireworks
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>>4749502
That kinda sounds like total bullshit.
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>>4749502
Also wasn't the whole point that the Einzbern weren't perfect homonculi?
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>>4749502
Extremely badly, but we know from elsewhere that Einzbern homunculi have limited lifespans so dunno.
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>>4749504
It's in Hollow Ataraxia.
It makes sense, since Einzbern Homunculi specifically are artifical Nature Spirits, or precisely Elementals.

Elementals are the "sense of touch" of the World, and are incarnated aspects of nature, to the degree that Divine Spirits without faith degenerate into Elementals and vice versa.

This is the OP part of Einzberns. Zouken can do curse and Ghost Liner shit very well, and Einzberns can create artificial Elementals who are built as Magic Circuits that have a body grown around them.
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>>4749507
>>4749506
I dunno, where do we hear that they have lifespans? Afaik we only hear about Illya, Leysritt and Sella who are all nonstandard. Illya being Grail other two being nearly scrapped.

Juzteaze was also an aberration in that she was fuckoff weak and had the 3rd Magic bit so its definitely not a standard, but Acht for example survived more than 2k years with no problem.
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>>4749508
Except they have very short lives.
Maybe the planet recognises them as fake after a certain amount of time and purges them?
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>>4749510
Well, Acht survived 2k years is not quite precise.

Acht is the 8th body/incarnation of the entity which runs the Einzbern remnants, that's why its Acht, german for Eight.
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>>4749510
Acht is a Golem and is like the 7th iteration of himself.
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>>4749511
Even scrapped Homus in the scrapyard of the Einzberns continue existing and living iirc, even tho they are basically discarded like broken robots in a pile.
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>>4749514
I think for the sake of this quest we're going with the limited lifespan thing.
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>>4749510
I don't remember where exactly Einzbern homunculus lifespans are mentioned. It's been a while. I do remember the Yggdmilennia homunculi would last only for a few months after the war, and they were created using stolen Einzbern techniques. Also, isn't that Sella in your screenshot, who very definitely has a limited lifespan?
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>>4749517
The Einzbern cope is built into their genes.
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>>4749515
illya has a short lifespan regardless, she was made to die during the grail orright after.
Unless ishtar entering her fixed that, need to see that later.
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>>4749517
My guess was that she was speaking as a representation of "Homunculi of the Einzbern" in general when expositioning. You are right in that it may not be like that.

Honestly, it makes sense to me, but I can also see that other parts seem to not correspond well to it, or they are imperfect somehow? Illya is definitely deliberately crippled for more Magic Circuits and also not a true Homunculus, being born instead of being coined iirc.

Unsure.
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>feed haremfags to Sakura
>feed globohomo to Shuten
Based.

Concepts are fun, we should give someone "jobbing" or "git gud", see what happens.
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>>4749523
>feed haremfags to Sakura
I see we are enemies then.
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>>4749522
I think >>4749519 is right and she's just boasting and coping with Acht being a shitty creator. It sounds more like propaganda she's been fed than actual truth.
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>>4749523
>Gilgamesh gets control over the concept of jobbing
Soloes the Nasuverse gg no re.
>>4749525
Don't worry I'm sure the digestion process is quite pleasant.
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About, Illya versus other Magi this is given:

Nasu: Frankly, she is the top mage in Fuyuki. Still, first-class mages would follow the "since she's a child of nature, just cut her off from the land first" plan, so it's not like she's invincible

So, Illya is a Child of Nature still and can connect to the area to draw power.

Otherwise Zero has some info. Something about "Standardized Reverse-type Magic Crest" that's not explained clearly.

This is what I could find about it, otherwise for now. Strange to me.
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>>4749528
>Don't worry I'm sure the digestion process is quite pleasant.
I will have victory or death. I will gladly go down with my Utopia, then.
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>>4749525
Only Sakura matters now
Perfect Heaven's Feel of our own creation
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>>4749531
I will remember you as a man of principles, fren. We may be on opposites sides of this battlefield, but you have my utmost respect for your dedication.
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>>4749530
I bet Ishtar was feeling pretty confident with Illya's body until Chiyome NIPPON BANZAI'd her.
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>>4749532
Autism incoming. Heaven's Feel is a shitty translation of Ten-no-Sakazuki which is the 3rd Magic/The Grail Core.

A more precise translation is either "The Cup of Heaven" or "The Reverse Moon of the Heavens".

Translate more precisely ree
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>>4749534
And to think Alberich killed that child
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>>4749537
Interesting. I had always felt it was a nonsensical poetic term.

Autism always welcome here.

>>4749538
I would have raged so fucking hard if I was reading that quest.
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>>4749537
Heaven's Feel also makes sense as a double meaning, both because of the third magic of Heaven being miracles such as channeling and manipulating souls, or summoning souls with the Dress of Heaven and the Grail War ritual. Also the Feel part being the sex stuff that are actually relevant to this route, like Shriou and Sakura's very sexual and intimate relationship and the trauma Sakura suffered from physical and psychological mistreatment from the Matous.
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Of our daughters and potential children what are the strength ranks looking like?
Right now I think it's
Betty>Alitheia>Obethion>Abby
But where would our kids with Sakura rank?
Or with Medusa or Medea or Tamamo or Shuten?
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>>4749539
I like The Cup of Heaven because it can be understood as making the soul a heavenly thing (higher-order being) that eternally overflows (perpetual energy generation), which would describe its effects poetically.

Reverse Moon of the Heavens I am more unsure of, but GO has "Celestial Inverted Moon" that says the following:

"The land where repeated imaginary existences began.
The place where a strong yet vulnerable woman could not let go of things long-since discarded. "
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>>4749542
>Obethion
wait who is this?
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>>4749539
Don't worry, pretty sure plenty of anons told Sweets to kill himself by the end.
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>>4749544
>>4747738
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>>4749545
He went way towards the edgy side to appeal to whatever personal wish fulfillment he had, very bizarre individual.
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>>4749542
I don't view Obeithion as our child. She was already a person, we just gave her what she needed to become complete. Protege is a more accurate term, but still not entirely right. I also view her as like Saber's sister, as we decided BB is like Sakura's sister.

I don't want to rank our children. They will all be strong and beautiful and we will love them all equally.

>>4749543
Yeah, makes sense.

>>4749544
Saber Fairy, anon.
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>>4749544
Our daughter with Manaka.
She's an autistic lesbian.
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>>4749541
Channeling and manipulating souls are not quite 3rd Magic actually. Precisely, it is manifesting the soul as a quantifiable and material thing, yet as sa higher-order being (Gods are also referred to as such).

Darnic could also eat souls, even tho he cannot "prove them" by making them quantifiable.

Sybil magecraft can take on attributes or parts of a Heroic Spirit, Divine Spirit or ancestral spirit, see Spiritual Evocation.

Touko transferring her soul has not yet reached the 3rd, even if she's getting close.
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>>4749547
Mind of Steel Sweets
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>>4749549
>They will all be strong and beautiful and we will love them all equally.
If only you could apply this thinking to the harem, we could be allies...how tragic.
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>>4749546
>>4749549
>>4749550

Oh god im having memory loss because of this quest now.
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>>4749549
She's closer to Mordred's sister desu.
Being a clone of Saber.
>She was already a person, we just gave her what she needed to become complete.
Like a sperm cell infiltrating an egg!
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>>4749547
My favourite part was when post HF Medusa helped kill post HF Sakura and Shirou.
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>>4749554
The most tragic rivalries are with people so similar to each other. Sad, but there can be no compromise on this.

>>4749556
She was created from Saber's memories an, like BB was created from Sakura's. The only thing she has in common with Morgan is her race. And sperm cells aren't independent, functioning persons, anon.

>>4749558
...bulshit
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>>4749558
>>4749562
More specifically she used Cybele to force Sakura and Rin to watch as Shirou was butchered.
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>>4749558
Tbf, wasn't that simply because she picked her own sisters over those two
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>>4749562
>The most tragic rivalries are with people so similar to each other.

Light and Darkness plays in the background
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>>4749564
>she used Cybele to force Sakura and Rin to watch as Shirou was butchered.
what the fuck
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>>4749565
Yet she still sperged out when the rift slash suddenly turned into the getsuga tenshou and Sakura was banished from reality.
Also I'm pretty sure Sweets was the Achtsimp in this quest.
He simps hardcore for the Einzbern.
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>>4749574
There's a big reason Sweets is considered a joke round these parts.
Shirou managed to manifest Unlimited Blade Works against Alberich and used it to throw a couple scraps of iron at him and then nothing ever again.
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>>4749564
what the fuck
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>>4749579
Another big reason is how quickly the players were forced to abandon the fan favourite servants.
It was effectively
>"I don't seem to be linked to my Servants anymore. Oh well guess they died. I will specifically not look for them once."
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>>4749587
well, that just sucks on a quest, did he just remove the player choice or something?
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>>4749577
>We gave our word guys, let's not betray the Einzbern. Things will work out.
>I want to fuck Illya, but I also want her to suffer or she's not Illya.
Kinda obvious if you think about it.
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>>4749587
Sweets had a lot of bizarre ideas about the structure of the quest going forward from Akeldama.
He had this idea that the players would go for new allies and love interests with every chapter, seemingly ignoring that both the players and the character they're playing would have a huge attachment to the first people they ever loved.
A lot of the things players did to survive their new surroundings got misinterpreted as the players moving along with Sweets idea of seasonal waifus and allies, and ended up routelocking them against the wishes of much of the playerbase.
Another big mistep is when the girls from Akeldama did make an appearance, they betrayed Alberich, and Sweets gave no opportunity to get them back, going as far to write Alberich sadistically beating his first love when the players wanted to slap her for being silly and reunite with her.
It was so egregious Sweets had to rewrite the scene, but the result was effectively the same, with Circe beaten into temporary submission only to desert at the first opportunity.
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>>4749599
>seasonal waifus
Wow, that the dumbest idea I have heard in a while.
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Update?
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>>4749608
QM got isekaied.
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Want to know something funny? Monogamy fags dont care about sakura. The hypocrisy is that because its sakura it made them a monogamous centric player, I could only speculate that if it were any other character they'd claim that aforementioned individual to be the line in the sand. To the skura fags, the monogamy fags don't care about Sakura. It just so happened that she's the first character shinji has shown a romantic approach. It's a union of convenience, don't be fooled by the monogamy-fags brown nosing you.
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>>4749599
how retarded.
I would be fucking pissed if i was on that quest.
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And I am back.
A little earlier than I thought, but whatever.
Let me just read up on the new posts...
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>>4749617
Eh, its more like the other anons are too lazy or too much of a simp to actually confront Sakura about her yandere obsession with Shinji and her willingness to psychotically eat any female we choose who isn't her. They let her get away with her behaviors because she's "big boobie big ass" waifu and "cute imoutou".
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>>4749617
t. haremfag

I want to have a litter of fox pups with Tamamo
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>>4749623
we need to sit down and talk to everyone if we want this harem to work, the problem is that at the moment there isnt time for that.
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>>4749624
that somehow sounds very disgusting
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>>4749564
He did mindbroke Medusa and Saber before that. But that just add the spice.
>>4749622
Got reminded of this dude today.
Half-expecting Orochi to do some bullshit like this now. I hope you have prepared some real fun things for a fight.
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>>4749624
>spoiler
Based.
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>>4749617
Haremchad i kneel
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>>4749617
I'd actually say that all the only Sakura talk is just people being excited about getting closer to her rather than an actual monogamy push.
A similar thing happened when we got Medea back after all.
>>4749623
I don't think anyone actually wants to see Sakura cannibalize our allies.
>>4749624
I want to make chunni dhampirs with Satsuki.
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>>4748267
>>4749623
We know you like her voring anon.
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>>4749633
There were some weird implications(?) in HF I think, that Tohsakas are descended of or related to DAs. As Rin being "buried" in a Vampire aspected leyline should fix her up. Could be Kirei trolling, buut Nasu said there was an instance of a DA doing normal reproduction.
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>>4749635
Did I imply that I dislike her voring people? I could like her voring people and also criticize her for wanting to do that when its people we actually care about.
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>>4749617
I don't care. I'm a happy Sakurafag, and I'm happy with everyone who is happy with her, no matter their reasons.

>>4749623
You, I don't like very much.

>>4749633
I'm not even a monogamyfag anymore. I think we should talk to Medea the moment we return home after killing grandpa.
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>>4749623
Absolutely based btw.
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>>4749623
Agreed, should have been lolibabas or bust
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>>4749641
We do need to talk with everyone, the problem is the shit happening now, pretty sure the QM will throw more shit at us even if we defeat orochi.
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>>4749640
I really don't understand you. You really think anons joking around about her eating the harem are serious? That it's simping to care for the girl we spent half the quest trying to save? Or that Sakura really wants to "psychotically" eat females? (lol at using females instead of girls or women btw). Just how much of an autistic robot are you?
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>>4749629
He'd crush everyone but for the highest tiers.
Can't kill him as long as people hate him.
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>>4749643
As a Tamamofag I can't diss potential yandereisms but monogamyfags BTFO.
>>4749617
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>>4749538
Alberich just orphaned them.

>>4749547
It was always an edgy quest even back in Akeldama, but edgy in the sort of fun way? Like, Yumigawa was a guy who didn't have any real compunctions against doing dirty shit like backstab or betray to get a win. But he never really murdered people who were specifically just trying to help everyone, or use bloodfort to power-up. Hell, I specifically remember him avoiding attacking Assassin and her Master because she was surrounded by the other surviving master candidates.
So he was a jerk but he wasn't an irredeemable psycopath.

But that's the big problem, if you make it so your Main Character powers up specifically through murdering other people, expect him to be the edgiest powergamey motherfucker alive. So don't do that.

>>4749558
>>4749564
Don't remind me of this.

>>4749577
>>4749579
>>4749587
Urge to make you visit the Awakening branch... rising.

>>4749598
That logic was really really weird. Like, needlessly cruel to Illya too.

>>4749599
There were definitely some really really weird things going on. Also another thing I can as a writer definitely suggest you never do is pseudo-NTR arc where your waifus all side with a mental clone of the main character.
And then the favourite waifu sends an army of her 15 evil ex boyfriends after you.

Anyway, let me see about tallying things now.
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>>4749623
Her meltdown will be something magnificent to behold though.
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>>4749622
So, WhatIs. Do you like the AoG Foundation using Xianren Asian Association from Adventures of El-Melloi? Oh, and Ergo, whos like Gray but for Sun Wukong
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>>4749647
>>4749641
t. People who take criticism of fictional characters as personal attacks
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>>4749650
I think this wins.

>Approach Nobunaga, break her contract with Orochi.

>After this is done, offer her the opportunity to have a concept applied if she wishes. Suggest Progress if she can't decide. Contract with Sakura or Rin if her Independent Action does not leave her suitably armed to engage the snake at full power. Suggest Rin if she has no preference
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>>4749655
t. Autist who thinks people who disagree with him feel personally attacked.
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>>4749654
Wukong is the Heroic Spirit version of Wukong rather than the Divine Spirit version, so interactions with Ergo may be rather strange. Technically, Wukong shouldn't even count as a Divine Spirit, having achieved Buddhahood in life, but whatever, you do you, Nasu.
As for the Chinashill magi, they're not really impressive compared to the Clocktower considering the Clocktower has Aoko, Touko, Zelretch and many others.
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>>4749660
Your tears are delicious. I think your own statement of autism could apply to yourself.
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>>4749662
True for Clocktower but Xianren Mysteryfucking lower Mysteries is stronk. I just want to see good Sybil magecraft from western magi or finally fucking see Lorelei's True Magic grade Wind.
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>>4749650
>spoiler
You actually have legit reason to give that oppotrunity so considering Akeldama/Awakening Counter-Force was doing nothing as War drained city dry.
But that would involve Alaya asking to do some jannie work in the other world I think and all players agreeing to do so.
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>>4749663
>Literally "no u"
lmao
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>>4749664
With them only being lower grade mysteries it gives Touko free reign to have Lugh crush all of them considering he's got a huge amount of mystery. Nothing in China is a threat to him.
>>4749665
It shouldn't really take all that long to solve depending on how strong you are at the time.
Go for the Awakening WR.
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>>4749665
I think I speak for many when I say fuck jannies, and fuck being a jannie.
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>>4749669
Jannie bad. But I can accept Contract work on individual case by case basis for proper pay. Do it and Alaya pays us in Majin Okita
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>>4749669
Not even for a shot at the guy who cut all of Shirou's limbs off and decapitated him after he started the fight by cutting his throat? All in front of Sakura?
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>>4749672
...I will reluctantly consider accepting single jobs based on payment and requirements.

>>4749674
Fuck it, I'm in.
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>>4749650
In Akeldama, Yumi was a protagonist with villainous characteristics rather than just a villain.
He was really more of a Greek hero like Odysseus, willing to use deception and brutality to win, which I always thought was cool considering he summoned Circe.
The point is, he seemed to really care about his friends and allies, even if they were people he mindcontroled or strongarmed into joining him, and had humanity and pragmatism that made it clear he wasn't just a dick because of some inherent evil in him.
Alot of that got flipped on it's head in Awakening, where he started losing more, and he became a typical jobbing villain.
Really, I think a change to forced failure is to blame for a lot of the negative change in Alberich, it's fun to root for someone who uses underhanded tactics to dominate, but when someone's dishonorable and still loses they just come off as pathetic.
It also doesn't help that all his allies betrayed him, which made him lose a lot of the humanity he had because he no longer had anyone to be good to, and his new crowd was mainly bloodthirsty retards which doesn't really help with his more uncomfortable traits.
Honestly, the whole ordeal reminds me of the Season1-Season2 split in Star Vs. Quest, where the protag in season one was a wily based retard, and in the second lost sight of what he was doing and ended up losing people.
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>>4749668
WhatIs if paradox incarnated ever finishes would you go back to doing the Castlevania quest or a completely new quest with a different IP? It would be interesting seeing you write for other anime properties or a slice of life. I really enjoyed the light stuff that you wrote like the Ayaka and Gilgamesh encounter.
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>>4749674
What's next, saving all the sakuras who got a bad end in all timelines?
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>>4749672
>>4749674
Didn't Okita's contract eventually finish, and she was going to blow up in fgo?
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>>4749680
Save UBW Sakura and Fate Route Sakura. I actually feel bad for how much they are side-lined in those routes.
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>>4749668
I think you have already mentioned that we won`t have meta for Awakening so I imagine it will be detective work as a extra Servant as things begin to escalate.
Something with Judas fucking up World and blinding Counter-Force and our Alaya making up for cutting connection by helping out.
At least it sounds plausible enough.
>>4749669
You have to tell >>4749534 that little girl she is going into Alberich`s basement then.
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>>4749685
Alaya made her to be a suicide bomb type Counter Guardian iirc. I'm sure she can stabilize her if we ask, or take one from another worldline.
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>>4749686
I agree completely. Sakura's future is really fucked up in both routes and no one in-story knows or cares.

>>4749687
I have already changed my mind, anon. No need for even more incentives.
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>>4749680
If you feel like it, sure!
But Alberich really did feel like the sort of guy who would go on to become a Threat to Humanity.


>>4749678
I still plan on going back to the Castlevania quest.
I don't know what I might write after that though, maybe something like a Toaru quest?
That could be entertaining.

>>4749677
Yeah, he was a much better character in Akeldama. Much more like a traditional idea of a hero in the Greek sense.
Compared to Alberich, who was the traditional idea of a villain in the shounen anime sense.
Also, I remember when Achilles was bound by ribbons and was unable to escape, his Master just sort of stood there and did nothing with his Command Spells, because Odin released his HUGE power level and everyone started looking at him in awe as he slowly sauntered up to Achilles and poked him once. It was horribly anime.
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>>4749690
>or cares.
Got that right lmao No hard feelings.
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>>4749693
ToAru quest would be based.
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>>4749695
And here I thought you were a cool guy. What happened to loving all girls equally?
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>>4749693
>Toaru
Based
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>>4749693
>ToAru
Based
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>>4749690
>>4749686
>Sakura just accepts Shirou will never like her in both routes.
>In UBW she even goes visit Shinji at the hospital
I'm surprised how much it took for her to lose her shit.
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>>4749693
>tfw I dont know what Castlevania is outside that one game on my DS
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>>4749699
The superior Odin.
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>>4749697
My equality is borne of the final result. Thus, since you and yours already care for her so much, efficient distribution of labour and resources requires me to devote myself to others. Only the end result matters, so its fine.
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>>4749704
Damn right
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>>4749704
If you do ToAru are you going all in on phases, Espers being magic and Aiwass autism. I don't keep up but shit got weird.
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>>4749705
For this reason I must bear the cross of being the sole Satsukifag, lest she be forgotten.
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>>4749708
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>>4749701
You're even underplaying it. Not only does she accept she will never have her senpai, she also accepts that her whole life will be one of misery and rapeworms, that her future is giving birth to strong matou heirs that the evil sadistic monster of a grandpa can also throw into the rapeworms so he can win the grail 60 years from now.

And not only does she visit Shitji, she even happily feeds him.

Her incredible strength of character is part of the reason I love her so.

>>4749705
Intent matters. My respect for you is lower than it was, but I'm still rooting for you pursuing your dream.
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>>4749693
Honestly, I genuinely expected a Shinji servant to show up and to be one of the main villains of the quest
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>>4749711
It's been a while since I caught up on Majutsu, I fell off a year or two ago around Crowley exploding into a billion people, and I've been meaning to catch up.
Honestly, my interest in keeping up just kind of dropped off a little after the Othinus Arc was such a high point.
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>>4749715
The real truth is that monogamyfags rallying around her and more autistic than normal Sakurafags just made me like her even less. Sorry bro.
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>>4749721
I don't think they actually want to have her eat anybody. I hope.
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>>4749722
Naive. Should've been on Beasts Lair bro
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>>4749721
>even less
So your "love everyone equally" was nothing but a pretty lie? I am disappointed, my good sir. You should not let the behavior of others dictate your own feelings and actions. I know I don't.

>>4749722
Does Vortigent count? Because I'm really considering having her eat him like she ate Chaos. Maybe Nero too.
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>>4749617
>monogamyfags want monogamy
Ok? Where is the hypocrisy?

>>4749715
I hope Shinji became better person after UBW Grail War, Sakura doesn't deserve more suffering.
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>>4749717
Oh you missed out on Mathers kino
https://youtu.be/5Z77o8Frw38
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>>4749722
That's something I'd to see in a Carnival story though.
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>>4749724
I don't really want her eating anyone desu
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>>4749725
>Sakura doesn't deserve more suffering.
They're both under the control of Zouken, with no hope of rescue. Even if Shinji is less of a shit, their future is nothing but suffering.
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>>4749725
He probably does, mostly cause he actually has magic circuits now
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>>4749725
Still doesn't discount the rape that was happening before and during the war. No form of apology could ever fix that. In a more pessimistic view, you could say that Sakura has Stockholm syndrome for her abuser but that's just me. Sakura could only ever be happy in HF.
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>>4749724
>So your "love everyone equally" was nothing but a pretty lie?
Since Sakura is overrepresented, I have allowed myself to turn slightly against her. Otherwise if even I were to represent her, then it would not be equality, would it now?

My ideals are pure, it is merely you misunderstood the depths I'd sink to, to make them true.
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>>4749722
nobody wants sakura to eat anyone important to us.
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>>4749730
WoG is that Shinji gave up wanting magic after UBW when Gil plugged him into Angry Manjew.
It's stupid imo, but what can you do.
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Update coming?
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Speaking of Toaru, it's time for everyone's favourite character design.
It's everyone's favourite chain-smoking jobbing 6 foot 7 14 year old!
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>>4749732
>Stockholm syndrome for her abuser
I don't see it like that. She's simply accepted her lot in life, putting a brave face for the senpai she'll never have, and trying to make the best out of the incredibly shitty situation she found herself in now that she has no hope of things ever getting better.

>>4749733
Your ideals may be pure, but your methods are reprehensible.
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>>4749734
I want Sakura to eat Shinji's dick.
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>>4749740
No she definitely has Stockholm syndrome too
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>>4749741
oh god shinji has no dick now
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>>4749736
I'm writing it.
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>>4749738
AAAAAAAAAAA KANZAKI HELP ME, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
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>>4749740
>now that she has no hope of things ever getting better.
You would've thought that Redman would've done something, wouldn't you?
I guess he was just that jaded.
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>>4749740
Victory needs no excuse and defeat allows for none. If my path leads to a victory that delivers me my final reward, so be it.

ToAru has a lot to autism as well, so it would be cool, even disregarding everything else.
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>>4749748
Didn't Redman purposely avoid her?
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>>4749748
WoG is that Redman doesn't know anything about Sakura's situation and in Heaven's Feel he figures out it on the spot/in that route only. In his own wordline he never ever figured it out.
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>>4749740
Speaking of, are we still putting a grave for our uncle after the war?
When he died is when she lost all hope, so I wanna ask her what she thinks of him. Does she hate him?
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>>4749743
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

>>4749748
UBW Redman is peak asshole Redman, but he may not have known. It's not like Alaya would have told him.

>>4749749
Hello Kiritsugu. I'm sorry, I didn't know it was you.
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>>4749753
I think we can just forget about them desu, unless she asks for some reason.
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>>4749752
I can understand him never discovering what was going on at the time, but are we really meant to believe that he never caught on to something terrible going on when he looked back on things as an adult?
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>>4749748
EMIYA don't even know about it.
he is from a fate-ish route after all.
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>>4749753
Yeah definitely, kinda fucked up we didn't make one when we had the time. And no Sakura never hated him, why would she hate him if he's the reason Zouken completely crushed her spirit
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>>4749753
I'd kinda like to honor the one Matou who wasn't a total piece of shit, even if he was stupid about it. Ask her first, see what she tells us, I suppose.
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>>4749753
I guess? Kariya was the only one trying to save sakura, even if his reasons where in part egoistical.
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>>4749749
>Victory needs no excuse and defeat allows for none. If my path leads to a victory that delivers me my final reward, so be it.Victory needs no excuse and defeat allows for none. If my path leads to a victory that delivers me my final reward, so be it.
The quote you are looking for is
>The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.
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You know Shirou and Rin are kinda fucked for leaving Sakura with the guy that beats her
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>>4749752
>>4749757
>>4749758
Doesn't this imply that he doesn't help at all for the dismantling of the grail?
Or that Rin never tried to tell him?
Was killing Syrians really that important for him?
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>>4749759
>>4749760
I mean, she had kinda already accepted her lot in life when he showed up and gave her some hope. Only for it to be crushed again.
Wonder if Jets remembers anything about him.
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>>4749754
>Hello Kiritsugu. I'm sorry, I didn't know it was you.
Muh. It's a 40k quote, don't Kerry me please.
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>>4749764
Shirou is dense as fuck, Rin is too busy thinking about riding his dick and studying "muh magic", I don't even think Sakura reveals the rape and abuse to Rin in that route. As far as the two of them know, they're just leaving her behind with her asshole adoptive brother who's been hospitalized and "is going to get better I think teehee".
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>>4749765
Sorry QM but killing ISIS is more important than dismantling a world ending grail
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>>4749766
>>Wonder if Jets remembers anything about him.
>Sees Sakura properly
>Starts howling
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>>4749765
>"I MUST SAVE EVERYONE THAT I SEE."
>goes do africa
>never really leaves africa because that continent will never stop having people dying
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>>4749768
Shirou straight up beat the shit out of Shinji cause he admitted to giving Sakura her bruises, he would then leave her with him
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>>4749765
He wanted to save people right now. Dismantling the grail doesn't save everyone right now. Shirou is kinda dumb, you know.

>>4749766
We'll ask him if there's ever a time when we don't kill him on the spot.

>>4749767
I know nothing about 40k, but that's exactly his way of thinking before the 4th. He'd fit right in over there. If you don't like it, you should reexamine what you're willing to sacrifice to reach your dream.

>>4749768
Yeah, Sakura never tells anyone anything about it. She thinks she doesn't deserve happiness, and it'd be best not to ruin their happiness with her measly problems.
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>>4749765
Archer is apparently the Shirou that followed the purest variant of his original philosophy, so it's possible that baby redman was so autistic that Rin never bothered to tell him for fear of him making things worse.
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>>4749775
I feel better confessing to her now remembering all of this
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>>4749775
Ah.
Lancerlot Ga Shinda.
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>>4749775
>We'll ask him if there's ever a time when we don't kill him on the spot.
We've really humiliated one of my fav servants. I hope he gets to do something cool eventually.
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>>4749628
Because it's borderline furry-esk behavior.
>Wanting pups
>T.whitegirl
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>>4749775
>If you don't like it
I don't mind the sacrifice, but being compared to Kerry was not great. Buuut I guess if that's the price...Mind of Hope will carry me. No matter what I do, if its for the final utopia its fine. Yeah 40k can be autistic but its so hellishly fucked its nearly wrapped around to comedy. Sacrifice entire planets because demon aids etc.
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>>4749778
I had almost forgotten before Ufotable HF. Now I think I never will. Sakurafag forever.
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>>4749781
its just a joke about tamamo being a kitsune i would think.
Would the children have fluffy tails? i sure hope so.
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>>4749783
if you think about it, what the alien god did was kinda of a exterminatus.
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>>4749628
>>4749781
ehh, it's basically this >>4749786
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>Monagamy utterly curbstomped into the ground. Players already gearing up to add every woman into the Shinjibowl like it's fucking smash brothers with no thoughts of their clashing personality or actually managing it because of course, Shinji will handle it all, he's Shinji.
>All this relentless, if albeit deserved, shitting on Akeldama with plans to go out of our way to dab on it.
>All this talk of reviving the world's worst imperialist states, including the nightmare shit show that was the Japanese empire, just for the lols.
I...I don't like where any of this is going, I'm not gonna lie.
But I'm clearly in the minority so I'm just gonna sit back and watch where all this is heading.
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>>4749786
Seimei was the son of a kitsune and a lot of his power is derived from that in myth.

Altough, to be autistically precise. Tamamo is not in fact a kitsune. She is a Yakan which is a chinese evil fox spirit based on Yakan jackals, because Dakini-ten syncretism with Amaterasu.
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>>4749781
It's just a play on her nature as a fox spirit, nobody wants Tamamo to give birth to actual foxes.
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>>4749790
I just wanna give Mordred England idk about reviving the British and Japanese Empire
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>>4749790
Akeldama was great, it's Awakening that people shit on.
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>>4749786
I thought it'd been an obvious joke.

I want to headpat fluffy ears and stroke fluffy tails.
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>>4749790
I actually agree with a lot here, I don't want this to become a curbstomp hatefic for a quest I actually enjoyed, and I'd rather not have the world we create be a larp of previous historical periods lead by ghosts,
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>>4749790
I'm sure the dabbing on other quests things will be mostly for fun.
>letting servants rule
I'm sure they cant do worse than the current world.
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>>4749783
>haremfag follows Kerry's path
>ends up shooting the whole harem because he couldn't think of a way to satisfy all of them
Kino.
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>>4749790
Who cares about NPCs, Nobu and Mordred are based, so they get their empires back. We're already doing shit thats going to have at least as bad consequences by bringing Alitheia into being.

Also, Monogamyfags BTFO. Otherwise, have fun bro, and no hard feelings.
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>>4749800
Servant Universe lore elaborated on what happens metaphysically when Ghost Liners/Servants can fully interact with the present Age. It's described as "a perfect fusion of past and present".
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>>4749790
>>4749796
I think it's kind of fine if I do my own take on Akeldama/Awakening at some point I think, as the original Akeldama was Sweets' take on Gulag-Trapped QM's Akeldama. Also I liked a lot about it, but anons are right, it just go so so damn edgy.
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>>4749803
Nobu and Mordred aren't based enough, it's imperialism that's based. Pax-nippon! Pax-Britannica!
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>>4749805
Thats the best case scenario.
Also that humanity as reached the stars already.
Gilgamesh has a space empire if i remember right.
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>>4749790
I just want everyone we care about to be happy, and that now includes Mordred, Iskandar and Nobunaga. I don't really care about playing 4X world conquest personally. I'm certainly much more interested in chilling at our mansion with our wives (who we will absolutely make sure don't clash with each other) and children (including Mashu and Kiara). I'm not really up for any more adventures than this.

Except for saving alternate timeline Sakuras, I'm always up for that.
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>>4749810
The divergence was some assloads of time ago somehow.

"As of modernity, it isn't yet known as to why the Primordial Universe was permitted to be overwritten by Blue Brilliance -- but the Universal Update is known to have occurred roughly 5 billion years ago. Ergo, humanity has flourished within the Blue Brilliance for a "mere" 5 billion years -- but records from further back than 4.9995 billion years ago are incredibly scarce.

Tokiomi gives that 5 billion years seems a long time to the perspective of modern humans -- that is, even to Servants -- but to the Gods, this is merely "just a little while ago."
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>>4749805
I'd be fine with that.
If the world we create actually ends up having a playable story, I'd like to see more of What's oc characters.
I think it would be a good way to balance a more powerful Shinji if entirely new characters rose to prominence rendering his metaknowledge less reliable. He couldn't as easily disarm people with a few relevant details about their past or abilities.
>>4749808
The edge is fine, but it needs to be fun. Brutalizing enemies in spectacular ways is fun, torturing and killing beloved characters isn't.
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>Haremkeks actually believe they "curbstomped" monogamyfags
Feeding them to Sakura was a joke, Now it's solution.

To be fair, monogamy route was utterly destroyed the moment Alitheia showed up. Going hardcore monogamy would mean deeply hurting one of her mothers and Alitheia herself, and I say that as a "monogamyfag".
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>>4749812
> I'm not really up for any more adventures than this.
This is a sin greater than overfocusing on someone and disrupting harem equality. Absolutely unbased and enemy of humanity.
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>>4749808
I think proper rebalance of Servants and normal Assassin would do work really well to shape up rest of the story of Awakening into more coherent direction.
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>>4749816
>spoiler
Honestly, this. I was both a Sakurafag and a monogamyfag up until Alitheia. But monogamy was dead in the water after her, and I've come to accept that.
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>>4749814
Yeah, having beloved characters show up after having lived a happy conflict free life for 14 years and then dragging them into a city-spanning conflict they don't really want any part of so that they can eventually oppose the main character who was being pushed further and further down the path of edge so he can kill them brutally after mindraping both Saber and Medusa into serving him.
Yet somehow, I feel like the last straw for him was when he murdered his 'brother', who was holding onto the incomprehesnible betrayal ball even harder than Circe was.

>>4749818
Assassin was such a meme Servant in that quest.
His powers were apparently just reality warping, or at least the ability to give Looney Tunes level bad luck.
Alberich and Liliesviel knew they were being pursued by Mr. Invisible and still just went into the grail.
The grail weirdly had a Stage Hazard that instantly killed Servants, a big pond of 'Magic succ water'.

If I'm not mistaken, players predicted bullshit was going to occur the moment they left the house, so they wanted to take the useless NEET Oni Caster with them so they wouldn't get blindsided by Assassin or a guy with a stealth bracelet again.
Sweets completely ignored these wishes.
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>>4749821
Autist, it seems we can, in some capacity, work together even if our ideals diverge. A miracle worthy of the Grail.
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>>4749795
I'm feeling much of the same.
It was all fun and games back when we were figuring out how to destabilize England's economy enough to force them to accept Mordred.
But when I look at that fucking meme map of the different superpowers that one anon made, I feel shivers run down my spine.
Pussyass shit on my part I know, but the reaction is still there.

>>4749796
>spoiler
Yeah, Imagine I said Awakening.
I get those names mixed up all the time in my rotten brain.

>>4749800
>and I'd rather not have the world we create be a larp of previous historical periods lead by ghosts
Yeah, there's also that idea.

>>4749801
>I'm sure the dabbing on other quests things will be mostly for fun.
One can only hope so I guess.
>I'm sure they cant do worse than the current world.
That's where I fear you're wrong depending on just how you think the current world could be "fixed". And that's a talk I absolutely do not want to have with a bunch of anon and maybe two tripfags while I read my interactive fate fanfiction.

>>4749803
>Who cares about NPCs
Not the MC, so quite frankly if things go that way, I know I'm just gonna have to shrug and deal with it. A very familiar feeling since I was in the trenches in Awakening, but one I'm willing to deal with again if need be.
>Also, Monogamyfags BTFO.
Yeah yeah.
Shit sucks, but who knows, maybe this harem be will something worth pursuing like in Mecha Space Pirate quest.
Doesn't seem likely since, as I said, anon are already treating it like fucking smash bros instead of committed relationships that take work to manage, but we'll see how WhatIsA runs it when the time comes.

>>4749808
Yeah, you aren't wrong.
Akeldama was great, Awakening was significantly less so.
I just think the idea of wholesale dabbing on Awakening for being significantly less good is...I don't know, in poor taste.
Like punching the retarded edgy child for not growing right.
I'm sure there's not much I can say that would change your mind if you're dead set on it, and you're a good writer so I trust you enough.
But please, don't make too much of a mess of things...no more than it already is anyway.
Circlehied FOREVER

>>4749812
>I just want everyone we care about to be happy, and that now includes Mordred, Iskandar and Nobunaga. I don't really care about playing 4X world conquest personally.
Yup. Nothing objectionable here.

>I'm certainly much more interested in chilling at our mansion with our wives (who we will absolutely make sure don't clash with each other) and children (including Mashu and Kiara).
And prey tell Sakurafag, how many wives do you think our young protagonist should have?
Because based on what anons seem to be saying, the answer is, all.
And that's just about the worst "positive" thing I can imagine happening.

>>4749816
>Spoiler
That's not really an unreasonable take.
In fact, I'm surprised that not the assumption everyone here has.
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>>4749816
>>4749821
honestly if we could only pick one girl i woulda went with Sakura but i could read the tea leaves, ik Medea was gonna win if we could only pick one girl
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>>4749825
I really fucked up on spelling incomprehensible there.
What the fuck.
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>>4749828
Autism
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>>4749828
>Circlehied FOREVER
My brother.
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>>4749831
It happens to the best of us.
Brainrot cooms for us all.
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>>4749825
i don't know if this is the right word but its extremely presumptuous when fanfic has the MC not only eclipse the main cast in skill but also straight up murder all of them. I think this quest does it good, Shinji drags everyone up with him, Shirou has more destructive capabilities and wider utilities, Rin essentially has infinite magical energy and better stats all together and Sakura is the perfect host of Tiamat
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>>4749828
>afraid of Spiritron Recording Band Imperialism
>pseudo monogamyfag or lacks hope and determination
>pities Awakening
Anon, I am sorry but...
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>>4749828
I'm not on board with the 13+ harem, mainly because I don't think having a bit of a crush is much of an excuse nowadays, but there's a few girls that really need it and a couple that will take what they want regardless.
>spoiler
remember what sweets took from us
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Just saying, Obeithion and Rin already solves itself. Throw in Redman too if you want to.
No need to add more women that will only make it harder to handle.
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>>4749846
the problem is i also want Rin and Medea also wants Obeithion
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If we are being 100% honest I would vote to see WhatIs`s take on Awakening not because "Alberich was a meanie" but because Awakening was dropped without adressing a lot of plot detalis and had noticeable influence on this quest. Look at initial Manaka posting for example. And it is even haunted WhatIs is his Castlevania quest. And it is not like Sweets is coming back to finish it or restart second part either.
People much more cool with Overgrowth and it`s hasty end just by it`s having an actual end and majority of story questions being answered.
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>>4749848
>the problem is i
Seems about right
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>>4749848
Medea just thinks it'd be cute to dress up Obei, not be her girlfriend.
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>>4749852
Overgrowth’s end felt strangely satisfying despite what happened.
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>>4749852
We still don't know what the fuck Odin wanted to do.
We even asked him to his face what he was after.
>"Guess" :^)
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>>4749856
there is no hetero explanation for how Medea acts around Saber
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>>4749861
I just don't think Medea would pursue that relationship, she wants to be a wife.
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>>4749861
she finds her cute.
even if there is some sexual attraction, its only that, she finds saber cute and hot and wants to dress her up in cute clothes.
I don't mind having Rin, but also dont mind only having her as our tsundere sister to bully and be bullied.
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>>4749859
I hit you with even harder one.
Remember that time when Alberich received a call from choir of gods from Reverse Side of the World?
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>>4749866
Oh man, yeah I remember that.
They gave him the cursed lightsaber of jobbing and useless goddess summoning.
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>>4749866
>>4749859
I may not know much but I know what to say. HitlerNP Loli Alberich Lostbelt when
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>>4749868
>useless goddess summoning
>Rolled 997 (1d1000)
>Rate-Up SSSR
>994-1000
Have to thank the archives for proper reminder just how bad that was.
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>>4749885
a 997 out of 1000 nets you a top 10 servant, there's no fucking way dude, who ended up getting summoned?
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>>4749893
a useless hecate
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>>4749885
>>4749893
THAT WAS MY FUCKING 997 TOO.

>>4749893
Hecate.
But a totally depowered Hecate.
Who had rabbit ears.
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>>4749893
Hecate, forma la useless
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>>4749895
>THAT WAS MY FUCKING 997 TOO.
Damn.
Just Damn.
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>>4749894
>>4749895
>>4749897
Hecate was extra bad because she actually made Circe even more likely to betray us.
We may as well have just summoned Fenrir or something, it would've been better for us from that perspective.
Then at least we could have bullied Odin.
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>>4749893
Powerless bunny girl Hecate who did nothing at all apart from making Circe seethe even harder from mere fact of her existance and stealing Ayaka never to be seen again after Chad Thunderspear wrecked Alberich again.
And to think that 1 gifted us with cute Morgan.
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>>4749900
>Fenrir
If Odin was the most useless jannnie ever and other gods wanted Age of Gods that would at least make sense for the story. Alberich was already balls deep into Einzberns and Age of Gods plotting at that point.
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Awakening would've been a really neat quest if it was actually played from CHAD THUNDERSPEARs perspective.
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Wait...are we just waiting for one of the old threads to fall off the board so we can make a new one, or is WhatIsA writing an update but constantly getting sidetracked?
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>>4749828
>It was all fun and games back when we were figuring out how to destabilize England's economy enough to force them to accept Mordred.
Well, I think of the meme map as doing the same at a wider scale. I most certainly do not want to unleash death and destruction upon the world and rule over the ashes like Gil wanted to do with the Grail. We're supposed to bring happiness to everyone, and this is not a path that leads to happiness.

>And prey tell Sakurafag, how many wives do you think our young protagonist should have?
So, first of all, just to clear the air: I absolutely do not want to play "gotta catch them all" with the girls like some other anons do. I have been having a continued discussion with a haremfag about exactly that topic. I will oppose playing girl pokemon with every fiber of my being because this is not a path that leads to happiness either, not for us, not for anyone. The coomers may be the end of us, but it will not be for lack of trying on my part.

As for my actual answer, well, I can't give you an exact number. And that's because it's not up to me, is it? Or you, or us for that matter. We're trying to build a relationship here, and we have to take into account the girls' feelings as well. We can't trample forward just because we want to coom on every available pussy.

What I actually advocate, and will continue to advocate for, is the only thing that might work: Continued honesty, openness and discussion. Sakura and Medea are a given. Alitheia made sure of that. We have to talk frankly to the both of them and try to make this work. IF they want to, naturally, because as I said it's not only up to us anymore. After this is done, and if it goes well, we can maybe slowly talk about the rest of the harem. But I imagine it will largely sort itself out. When people, real people, see their crush or even their love into a happy committed relationship with someone else, they generally don't try to barge in and try to become #5 in a harem. They try to forget and wish for their crush's happiness. So I imagine most of the girls will drop out on their own. Rin certainly will, no matter what the dedicated Rinfags say. She will not want to intrude on her sister's happiness, and she already has her Saber. She may end up creating her own harem with the Redman, but that's not something that's up to us either. They'll work things out for themselves.

As for the rest of the girls, I won't hazard any guesses. They'll decide for themselves. And for those who really will only be happy joining the harem, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. But always with continued honesty and approval from the girls we've already committed ourselves to. Never behind their back.

This is the answer of an autistic sakurafag RE: harem. I hope you're satisfied
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>>4749913
I'm writing the update right now.
It's almost done.
Sort of.
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>>4749915
>7 hours later
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>>4749915
Christ, get to work wagie.
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>>4749933
prease undastandu
Making Character Sheet verry hadu.
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>>4749914
>Sakura and Medea are a given
>Satsuki continues to be put on the sidelines, despite having dated Shinji for years prior
It's so funny at this point I might laugh myself to death.

But shitposting aside that seems to be the reasonable take on the situation, but I would remind you of one thing.
>Beloved of Alaya: B (EX)
I have significantly less faith in the ability of many of the girls that are currently 99 with Shinji to successfully move on and have a bad feeling that many, if not most of them, will simply throw themselves on the pile just to get a whiff of that Shinji dick.
I have a bad feeling that if we take a "let the girls decide" approach to this, the girls will simply form a 13 person harem on their own, to the detriment of both Shinji and every girl involved.
Shinji has to be at least a bit choosey. We have to have him create some sort of limit or personal boundary for himself, or we might as well actively play waifu pokemon instead.
At least, that's what I'm worried about.
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>>4749945
If they do decide to form a full 13 person coalition, then it is simply providence. You can be worriedd, its okay.
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>>4749945
Well, call me optimistic then. We haven't activated the brainwashing power of Beloved of Alaya, and hopefully we never will. I don't see the worst case scenario as likely at a,, but I suppose we'll have to make some hard choices if it comes to pass, because yes 12 is absolutely unworkable. You can't have a meaningful relationship with someone you can only dedicate two days a month to.

And I say 12 because Rin has pretty much already moved on.
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>>4749945
This is why we should marry all three at once.
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thinking about how Edmond Dantes fucking curb stomped Roa again, Roa is just the buttmonkey of the franchise
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I think I am just going to just stay silent regarding this because I have said my piece plenty of times. But know that I am watching and forever seeking.
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>>4749960
i'm with you anon
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>>4749960
>>4749962
Same.
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>>4749945
As for Satsuki, as you might imagine, I have a soft spot for suffering girls and I will eternally be seething at Nasu for not giving her a route to happiness in the remake.

At least we've given her a chance at happiness here, no matter what she decides.
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>>4749945
I wondnt expect a harem of 13, but any harem can work if the girls like among themselves and not only the husband.
So a harem with us could work if all the girls also like each other, thats why i said various threads ago about a harem that a war would be the best for then to form some bonds with each other.
Regardless, we can't really stop people from loving us, the matter is making so they don't hurt themselves trying to enter a harem they dont fit or dislike being with another girl.
And yeah, like the sakurafag said, no playing pokemon, but if people begins to like us romantically there is very little we can do to stop a feeling from forming.
>>4749971
We need to take some time to have some dates with her after this clusterufck.
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>>4749975
You know. I can absolutely agree with the principle stated here too. Good Illyafag(?). Their own decisions also matter, and intrabonding is important. Can at least these principles be commonly accepted, even if we disagree about other parts?

Its easy to say to limit it, but they may also decide themselves, and of course their decisions can also go the other direction.
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>>4749952
...you might be onto something actually.

>>4749955
You know what...on second thought, depending on just how passive Shinji chooses to be it might not even be a problem.
Imagine it, a Bureau of Matrimonial Review, lead by Sakura, Medea, and Satsuki formed.
Imagine Sakura sitting on a high throne, the First Girl, heading the proceedings, Satsuki and Medea sitting beside her.
Any girl that wants in on the harem has to get the approval of not Shinji, but every other girl in the harem.
It's literally not up to him at all. He gets no say. He can only watch on the sidelines in horror as his time is disputed and distributed by committee consensus.
Shinji gets home from helping Mordred rule a nation and some random bitch he's never seen before is eating a sandwich in his bed, wedding ring on her finger, and marriage papers to her side.
13 to 19 vote in her favor, Sakura tried to veto, but it was denied by a majority vote.
That, is just funny enough for me to fuck with.

In all seriousness though, Beloved of Alaya isn't something we need to brainwash people with, it simply just happens.
Shinji can turn up the charm sure, but he has no control over who goes gaga over him when he's just trying to be nice or literally trying to save people's lives with no other ulterior motives.
In a situation like that, a man simply needs to learn how to say no, or accept the fact that to make everyone happy he's gonna have to spend a lot of time with the girls in his life, and that's a situation that isn't tenable no matter how harem coomers feel about it.

>>4749975
>but if people begins to like us romantically there is very little we can do to stop a feeling from forming.
There is one thing we can do.
Shinji could say no thank you.
Like a definitive, actual, "no fucking thank you, sorry."
Let's see if he ever gets the chance to say that.
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Also QM, can we get a little interlude to Rin kissing fairy saber? I want to see how she felt.
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>>4749985
>Shinji could say no thank you.
We can only say that when people declares their feelings to us, its impossible to stop the feeling from forming if the person dont say anything.
Also shinji's own feelings also would add to this.
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>>4749985
>and that's a situation that isn't tenable no matter how harem coomers feel about it.
Okay I thought we ccould be alies. But I was merely deceiving myself. There can be no reconciliation. Our ways of life are opposed. The two of us cannot live under the same heavens.
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>>4749985
>That, is just funny enough for me to fuck with.
It would be hilarious, yes.

As for Beloved of Alaya, you are forgetting that the Skill is sealed and will hopefully never be unsealed. It currently functions as Charisma B, which is the same as Saber. Nothing supernatural about it.
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>>4749989
>Charisma B, which is the same as Saber. Nothing supernatural about it.
Look at that happened to Takeuchi and say it again.
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>>4749992
I will start worrying when we start seeing Shinjifaces around.

WhatIs, please don't.
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>>4749987
>Also shinji's own feelings also would add to this.
The traditional copout answer to that is that WE are Shinji and that's our choice to make.
But fuck that.
Was never a big fan of that style of play to start with.

HEY WHATISAQM!
It's time to bring back Shinji's affection chart!
How's our boy feeling about everyone?
We haven't done something like that since before the war, so I think soon is a pretty good time to see what's good under the hood.
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>>4749989
>same as Saber.
You mean the King who lead Camelot together, wwho are all neurotic headcases, against alien Picts, time travelling demonic sword wielding Lucius Tiberius and dragons while the country starved from the Mystery reliant crops dying, and left such an impressionn on Redman Shirou he never forgot it even after an acausal amount of Janie work? That Charisma?
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>>4749992
>>4749995
oh god
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>>4749997
Charisma works like that.
Seriously
Even in real life
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>>4749996
Shinji affection chart is how he thinks others feel about him. As you said, we decide how Shinji feels. You may think it's a copout, but it's the truth.

>>4749997
How big was her harem though? Because that's the point of discussion.
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>>4749997
To continue on this, for one example. Kay, due to feeling guilty about something that in the end didnt effect anything, waited 1500 years while suffering due to the guilt, due to this Charisma
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>>4750006
Saber was married to her job.
I wonder how many woman send her love letters.
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>>4750006
I know the normal affection chart is that, but I'm 71% sure WhatIsAQM took the liberty of making the reverse and telling us how Shinji personally felt about everyone.
Or maybe it was just worked into an update at some point.
Brainrot.
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>>4750006
All the Round Table simps for her, and I am 10000% they would've thanked God if she actually went in that direction. Charisma fucking went rough on them. Gawain in the Moon Cell fucking murderizes people who disrespect her even a slightest bit, etc.
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>>4750006
There is also Proto Arthur who got Manaka hooked and normie Saber who instilled Guilt into Merlin, the actual inhuman dream demon, due to hurting her even though Merlin exlicitly foretold what would happen, and just let her go through with it. This guilt is sometthing he recognized as a Sin and thats what trapped him in Avalon so he still feels he sinned.
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>>4749995
Isn't Perseus a shinji face, kind of
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>>4750017
Shinji is related to Perseus
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>>4750012
I don't think that was a thing.
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You approach the girl and place a hand on one of her shoulders, she looks at you for a moment as you do, well, she doesn't understand how your magic works, that's understandable, by the sound of things, Orochi doesn't either just yet, otherwise he might've figured out that sending Servants after you like this was a bad idea. Then again, it's not like they'd be obliged to follow all of the orders that Orochi gave them, not like Chiyome, anyway. It really does seem like either Orochi is either purposely using his Servants to distract you, or he just doesn't really care enough to prevent them from betraying him like he is. But what's his game? Surely he must know that for every Servant that you break away from his control, your own faction only grows in strength? Orochi should have the tactical knowledge of Zolgen, so why on Earth would he be so willing so sacrifice the pieces he has on the board? He's only making you more powerful!

You hold Nobunaga's shoulder for ten seconds before you enter the visualization of her conceptual existence, though you don't want to spend much time here trying to find the core of her being, it's actually far simpler when it comes to breaking magical enchantments that are effective on the surface-level of an existence like with Command Spells, the long chain that represents the contract that Nobunaga has with Orochi is actually very easy to find in this case.

Not wanting to waste much time, you grab hold of the chain and tear it asunder, smashing the link that Orochi has to yet another of his Servants. He really needs to learn to stop trying to send Servants after you, honestly.

With the chain broken, you allow yourself to leave the conceptual visualization, and Nobunaga is staring at you with an amused expression. "Hmmph, perhaps your magical abilities really aren't something to be laughed at. Still, just being able to break a Servant contract isn't really something that impressive, it might be difficult for a Servant themselves to find their way out of it, but any sufficiently talented magus with a willing Servant could likely break a Contract like that." Well, she's not wrong, but normally, for a typical magus, something to break a contract as binding as one a Master and a Servant share would take hours to set up, and a large ritual. Pretty much the opposite of being feasible. Though you suppose that it's also possible to alter the contracts if you have the support of the Grail itself.

"Well, that's not all I can do, of course, I could offer you some... additional power if you want. I have another technique that I can apply to people in order to grant them additional strength." To be honest, you haven't actually tried to apply a concept to somebody outside of freeing them from a contract or curse just yet, but you suppose that there's a first time for everything.
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>>4750012
I don't remember this ever happening. It would be huge if if had.

>>4750013
Again, Charisma is not supernatural. It can give you an in, but you do not get those levels of dedication from Charisma alone. Her life, her actions, her ideals, that's what got them dedicated. And I really, really doubt any of them would want to fuck the King they idolized.

And remember, Charisma may have helped with Mordred, but Artoria's actions still drove her away.

>>4750017
I think the consensus is that Medusa's just comparing the two people she dislikes the most in the world. We've never actually seen his face, I think.
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"Oh?" Nobunaga raises an eyebrow at you again, apparently interested in this ability of yours, that apparently allows you to strengthen Servants. Though it likely only really works for concepts that are compatible for the existences you apply them to. In fact, it might even be possible for a concept to weaken a Servant if an incompatible one is used.

"Right... I think it only really works on Servants, but I have the ability to manipulate the concepts at the core of your being, applying a brand new one to you, should you wish it. Though it works better with concepts that are more... Well, suited to whoever it is being applied to... so for your case, I suppose it might be a good idea if I were to suggest... maybe progress?"

"Progress?" Nobunaga raises a hand to her chin. "While I suppose that could work, there's something else that I think would suit me far better, if you actually mean your words, the concept of Supremacy should suit me far better." Nobunaga has a smirk on her face as she says that.

"Supremacy?" You wonder just what that will end up doing to her. Or why she's actually asking for a concept like that in the first place.

"Of course, the Supremacy of humanity over the gods. That is what I long for, progress is just a means to that end. Is it not?" You... suppose that she's right. Though also, humanity basically finished their triumph over the Gods already, the Age of Gods did already end, after all. Then again, it's not like they have ever really surpassed the level of strength that the Gods once held over the planet either.

You place your hand on the girl's shoulder once again. "Supremacy it is then, I suppose." You notice that Alítheia has just about finished the journey, and is now in the process of actually landing. Best make this quick then. You wait the required ten seconds once again and delve into the conceptual manifestation of Oda Nobunaga's self. This time though, you go out of your way to look for the conceptual realization of her being, and it doesn't take you long to find what you're looking for, somehow you know just by looking at the item that it's the core of her being. Her own bloodstained katana laying propped up against a torn banner of the Oda Clan. A manifestation of her inability to fully unify Japan in life, it seems.

Still, as unfortunate as Nobunaga's end in history was, you aren't here to gawk at her regrets. You take hold of the blade and infuse it with the concept that Nobunaga requested. You hope that this works! As you finish infusing the blade with the concept, the blood seems to drip off of it entirely, and the banner is restored to a pristine condition. Though you don't get to look for very long before you find yourself looking at Nobunaga straight in the eyes, her having removed your hand from her shoulder.

[Status Updated!]
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>>4749944
Good Nepu.

>>4749940
Don’t worry WhatIs. I’m being patient.
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"Thank you, Makiri. It seems that you really were telling the truth after all. It's no wonder why Orochi seems so livid at your existence, in fact, if it weren't for the fact that he seemed to be devoting all his time to summoning down there, I imagine he would have already gone to deal with you himself." Wait a second, he's summoning... again? But... what on Earth could he be summoning this time? He managed to summon an entire set of Servants with very little planning, so... why exactly is he spending so much time on summoning other Servants? Unless... he's not summoning Servants? "Now, while my Independent Action is capable of allowing me to fight, it might be an idea to see about granting me a contract to a Master. Though I don't mind remaining independent."

>>Give Nobunaga a Master?
>Sakura
>Rin
>Mordred
>No.
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Write-in...
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>>4750014
There is also the entire Morgan thing, where despite Saber essentially shitting on Morgan's dreams by existing and her actions, Morgan spent 1500 years trying to revive her by creating an entire village civilization to reproduce her body perfectly and to trick the World into reviving her via a Grand Thaumaturgy using Rhongomyniad the spear pinning the entire Human Order/Universe into place.

It's not supernatural Charisma, but bruh.
Gil's version is just at a point where even if you hate him and have 0 reason to like him you kinda like him.
But we kind do our best to fulfil people's wishes and grant them true happiness they didn't even imagine they could have/treat them as best as we can using metaknowledge. It's not rocket science.
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
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>>4750034
>>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
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Great, the fuck is orochi summing
>inb4 goetia
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>>4750034
>>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>>Rin
Rin should have this shiny new Servant
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>give nobu to rin
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Oh shit we can give Nobu's contract to Mordred? That's kinda based.
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>>4750043
Oh it's much worse than that. His plan is much much worse than that.
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>>4750043
Goetia cancels out anything related to heroic spirits unless your name is Solomon
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>>4750034
>Give Nobunaga a Master?
>Rin
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
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>>4750034
>>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Rin
Fuck, I thought he was making a Grail. Is he using Barbatos to bring in Goetia? Why would he want that?
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>>4750036
oh yeah, did we ever talk to morgan about how retarded her saber resurrection plan was?
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>>4750047
Well of course.
Mordred is alive and is a Master.
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>>4750035
Well then. I stand corrected.
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>>4750047
its a bad idea, they are both hotheads.
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>give nobu to rin

I have a feeling I know what Orochi is doing.
I think he's using his Authority as a Japanese God and Arc's power to summon Youkai to serve him.

Since Youkai that are not Oni are basically japanese Elementals/fairies, then Arc's power would have...power...over them, and Orochi, both as Orochi and as Shuten and Ibuki probably has a lot of Youkai servants and armies.
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>>4750054
Do you really want to rub that in her face?
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>>4750049
well thats nice
Is this the time to ask gilgamesh for him to just fullpower EA the whole place?
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>>4750054
Is Morgan gonna freak when she notices Waver brought Gray with him?
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>>4750035
>Sarvant Rider
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>>4750063
After we give her the Merlin garden gnome, if we give her the Merlin garden gnome.
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Personal Skills:
Tactics: B
The ability to perceive things such as diplomacy and logistic in a large perspective, assuring victory through superior strategy. While this skill isn't helpful for one-on-one battles, it allows Nobunaga to be practically guaranteed victory against an equal force without a commander at her level.

Charisma: A-
This level of Charisma is suitable for those running an entire empire, however their is a minus modifier applied due to occasional lapses in its usage. Nobunaga is regardless a very charismatic woman. Improved thanks to the the Concept of Supremacy.

Supremacy of the Demon King of Humanity: A
A skill distorting the abilities and appearance of Oda Nobunaga, similar to the Innocent Monster skill. Nobunaga in unique in that she freely called herself the Demon King in life, allowing her to enable or disable this skill as she wishes, unlike Servants with the Innocent Monster skill. With this skill, Nobunaga can alter her appearance as she wishes, in addition, this skill provides Nobunaga with massive resistances to any attacks or abilities that are divine in nature. Even something like a smiting bolt of lightning from a God like Zeus using a large amount of his power would have little effect on her. In addition, the application of Supremacy has raised her physical abilities a great deal.

Unifying the Nation by Force: A
A unique skill belonging to Nobunaga, a conceptual revolution that imposes the new upon the old, this skill provides Nobunaga with modifiers in her favor depending on the Mystery or Divinity of her opponent. This skill allows Nobunaga to rip through the immortality of Gods with absolute ease. However, as a drawback for this skill, should Nobunaga face a Servant of low mystery such as a Modern Servant, the power of all her skills and Noble Phantasms drop instead.


Noble Phantasms:

Fall of Imagawa: Bluff of Okehazama: E~EX Rank Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
A Noble Phantasm that is the sublimation of Nobunaga's greatest military strategy, the deception of the Imagawa clan, where she fooled a far greater military force through a clever strategy. The power of this Noble Phantasm depends on the power of the enemies she uses it to fool, if she is completely overwhelmed in power by them, she is capable of freely creating illusions and near instantaneous movement, in addition to temporarily gaining Presence Concealment at a rank of EX until she attacks, in which case the effect ends immediately.
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>>4750049
WHATS WORSE THAN SUMMONING A FUCKING BEAST?
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>>4750064
Wouldn't suggest it!
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>>4750068
Japanisu ingereshu purisu andastando.
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>>4750063
maybe, depends if she behaves.
but honestly, she should know it would fail one way or the other, not rubbing it in her face just saying to her.
Ahm, how will gray and morgan react to each other i wonder.
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>>4750071
You'll find out soon enough!
Better hurry up!
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>>4750072
Yeah yeah, i was only half joking
but we should rush to fuck his shit up before he decides to make this become a SMT quest with all that summoning.
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>>4750049
He is fishing in higher dimensions, isn't he?
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>>4750071
Summoning Kama or Kiara would be worse than Goetia I guess. Since Goetia doesn't kill opposition if he believes you won't matter anyway and then gets BTFO by God, but Kiara is specced against intelligent lifeforms and needs Mythological Mystic Code shit or bullshit and Kama just endlessly becomes the universe and replices an infinity of specially designed bodies for everyone.
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I'm getting so damn tired of this foreshadowing teasing BS, just have gilgamesh EA the fucking castle.
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>>4750071
>types
>full power amaterasu, maybe
>alien god
>outer god
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>>4750063
Will it result in her trying to leverage Mordred's feelings for Shinji against us?
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>>4750076
Please, every time the villain is trying to complete a ritual to gain ultimate power the heroes try to stop him, fail, and then bullshit a way to win anyway.
I bet that'll happen here too.
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I have one more I guess. Maybe he wants to summon and do something with Crimson Moon? Since he did yank a lot of Arc's power and is trying to use Japan's version of Aylesbury?

Japan probably has a similar point, as while Britain is an island that retained AoG a long while, so is Japan. While Britain has Rhongobongo, Japan has Ame-no-Nuhoku, the Nation Building Authority (This refers to building all creation from primordial chaos) of Izanagi and Izanami, which should serve the same purpose, as a proximal-servant which is fucktons weaker than actual Izanami uses its imprint to churn space-time back to primal chaos in Requiem.
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>>4750076
Great, time to rush shit up.
urgh
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>>4750083
You forgot Chaos and Velber.
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>>4750076
Judging from the way you type here I have really funny idea about that exactly would it be. I hope it is true.
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>>4750049
He's going to crash the 4chan posting servers and make it impossible for us to write up and post a plan to stop him
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Give Nobunaga a Master?
>Rin

Would Orochi really summon something more powerful than himself that he can't control
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>>4750096
Jesus what a plan.
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>>4750034
>Rin
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"

Zouken is actually just a socially awkward tsundere towards his grandson, he's just trying to apologize for that whole Sakura misunderstanding, that's why he gave Shinji three servants already.

pastebin
>Arcer of Supremacy
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>>4750097
Orochi would totally something stronger that he THINKS he can control and then get eaten/possessed. He's also prone to being japed by tricksters, as thats how Susanoo got to him.
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>>4750103
Congratulations, you made me reread this 10 times.
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>>4750034
>Rin
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
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I thought Orochi's goal was to become a Beast, and making his own grail would help him with that. But summoning? What does he want to do? And how does he intend to do with it? I have no idea.

One thing I would like to point out, however. is that we didn't see Paracelsus in the forest. Whatever it is Orochi's doing, he needs Paracelsus. I have no idea why though.
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>>4750094
Also I'mma try my hand at a sprite edit of SHINJI since the Alberich one was received p okay in Awakening

Any suggestions for the base sprite for body type? IIRC I used Saberlot and Deermud for Al's, but Shinji ain't that bulky yeah?
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>>4750034

alright then
>Rin

And if we're talking, let's do that on the move.
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>>4750112
Paracelsus can make artificial spirits/elementals. I guess he could be trying to incarnate a subservient avatar for Arc's power. Since WhatIs was like "Oh NOW you remember he has Arc's power" when it was brought up.

Maybe he has some kind of field that absorbs energy and concepts from anything that attacks him/his base and is using it to fuel it, Velber had something similar, a kind of "civilization devouring".
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>>4750112
probably he needs the philosopher stone for the ritual.
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>>4750118
jason
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>>4750118
not really bulky, QM said he has the build of a featherweight boxer
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I found a nice pic of Shinji
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>>4750118
Salieri might work.
His second sprite, I mean.
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Okay, one more guess to throw out there. He is using Paracelsus' Photonic Crystals and tech to make a future calculation and rayshifting setup and he wants to timetravel and do something bad to the timeline/rule from the past to the future/something I can't think of.

Atlas Photonic Crystal tech can be use as rayshifting tech, and the Moon Cell can observe all kinds of shit using it, imagine Para with Orochi grade power making shit.
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>You turn back to look at the mirror, your head is pounding, strange voices call out to you, all around you. You freeze as you look into the mirror, a perfect image of yourself is standing there, his arms crossed, a smirk on his face. He's moving, yet he's not in the same position that you are. "Hello XXXXXXXX... Hmm? I guess I can't say that name even here. What a shame." The man in the mirror laughs. "Well, I suppose it's about time we met, isn't it? All this time and it's our first meeting, how are you enjoying yourself here, by the way? You've made quite an impact on the world around you, as I knew you would. Really, it wasn't a waste of my powers at all, to use my powers to ensnare one from a higher dimension such as yourself. Of course, it's a shame that I was incapable of getting the whole thing, but that's just the risk you run when it comes with dealing with upper multiversal beings like yourself." The man in the mirror seems to actually... lean against the side of the frame, as if there was physically something to lean on from within.
Remember this bit from God? He had Paracelsus focused on us and he was throwing all those Servants at us in order to try and trace our powers, possibly hoping to pull something similar into himself and absorb it like he did with Barbatos and Zolgen.
However, he is not aware on how this mechanic works and how souls will merge.
We might get really funny results. Double so if he was focusing on Amethyst image of us.
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>>4750141
he may also get another person from where we came from.
We really need to stop this ritual.
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Otherwise, I guess Zorochi could be trying to reach the Root? If he has enough of Zouken in him left, but I don't think so.
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>>4750152
>he may also get another person from where we came from.
oh god oh fuck.
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so is he just trying to summon the root itself, or someone who has? Or is he trying to summon manaka.
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>>4750152
Punished Sweets will be summoned to shit all over this qst
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20 minutes.
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>>4750158
we dont need 3 manakas
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If even Nyarly couldn't get all, or a lot, then I don't have a lot of faith in Orochi, I don't think its that. And if it is thats kinda...
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>>4750160
Wolf that never had the time to shine
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Give Nobunaga a Master?
>Rin
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>>4750164
Bruh.
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Is he summoning the Kusanagi if he doesn't have it?
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>>4750164
Yeah, If Orochi is trying to pull a YHVH then he's going to fail
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>>4750169
???
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>>4750177
Weren't you saying that Nyarly summoned you?
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Our true enemy.
Yandere SHINJI-chan.
Ex-Orochi confesses to us right away and tells everyone Truth about this reality, mocking all of them. Endspiel of our Charisma.
Probably too fun to happen.
>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Rin
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>>4750170
If I go full paranoia in this path, I'll say Orochi isn't summoning Kusanagi. Orochi is summoning Composite Kusanagi! Since! According to Ibuki's Bond CE,

"────There was supposed to be several of it, you know?

That's what she said while laughing. What did she mean by that, I wonder.

It was only somewhat later that I understood that she was talking about her Noble Phantasm.
Divine Sword - Kusanagi-no-Tachi.
The great Noble Phantasm related to her origin, the sword that came out of the tail of the greatest dragon of calamity spoken of in Japanese mythology, Yamata-no-Orochi.
She was talking about the various names for that sword.
Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi, Ama-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi and Tsumugari-no-Tachi.

I suddenly thought of something.
That sword used as her Noble Phantasm, could it be────

───────There are as many swords as there are names for it?"
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>>4750181
Not nearly paranoid enough.
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>>4750179
I brainrotted, sorry. God, Elder God, Outer God, its spilling together
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>>4750182
He's trying to use our Truth to become an aspect of Samantabhadra, the Primordial Buddha, who's one incarnation is Fugen the God of Truth?

He's trying to summon one of the other two Velber combat bots as seen in Karl's stuff in EXTELLA Link, other than White Titan?

Is he trying to Summon SpaceTime-Fortress Chaos because Greek Mechachad stuff washed up on the shores of Japan and they became mecha?
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>>4750191
Not nearly paranoid enough.
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>>4750034
>"Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
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>>4750191
oh god
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>>4750192
What the fuck?
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>>4750192
Is he trying to crash another Tree of Time into ours?

Is he trying to flower a gigashitton of Trees of Fantasy from stolen Marisbilly research?

Is he trying to usher in something akin to the Universe of Blue Brilliance with himself as the culture sphere God instead of Astarte-Ishtar?

Is he trying to become Archetype Earth?
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>>4750034
>Wait a second, what do you know about Orochi's summoning?"
>Rin
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>>4750192
Is he trying to summon an outer god like Hastur.
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>>4750201
Ehhh, this seems about the proper level of paranoia.
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>>4750192
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I bet its fucking becoming Archetype Earth. That's why it was important to remember the stolen Arc power.
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>>4750209
It's a good thing Ciel brought the Lance of Longinus and that Shirou knows how to summon Slash Emperor, is all I'm saying bros.
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To calm (myself) down from paranoia, I am going to let people know what the Backalley Nightmare Melty manga confirmed as canon. You can take 3 guesses and none of them count, you ain't figuring this out.

It's the Neco Spirits, the Neco Arcs and shit. The Worldline travelling Lev Lainur Flauros was stuck with them and its a serious, canon plot. They are actually phantasmal existences or something.
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>>4750211
Shirou is gonna fucking die if he uses Slash Emperor
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>>4750216
Uhhh we can try turning him into an Ether Liner.
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>>4750209
>>4750211
Type is just boring though?
As strong as it would be...that just made whole fight much less personal? This is why I am hoping for it to be something much more personal and creative. And preferably something that works with main theme of quest.
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>>4750221
I don't get that feeling that it was ever personal since Orochi devoured Zouken and is just making use of his gigabrain. So, uh, yeah.
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Lol actually at this rate Orochi is going to overwhelm Manaka as a threat.
Miniboss he said
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We still probably have time to stop it so we're gonna have to throw literally everything at Orochi to keep him from finishing whatever he wants to do
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>>4750226
He did say superboss as soon as he got a piece of Arcueid.

Speaking of which we need to make sure he doesn't do that again.

And I'm not sure if he showed off his Zolgen antics yet. Isn't he still made of worms on top of all the other shit?
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>>4750226
I can`t even take Manaka seriously anymore.
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>>4750232
Manaka is so irrelevant God himself said it was ok to ignore anything she does as a pointless distraction, and the Crawling Chaos said she won't be any danger until the end of the week, as if she was a school assignment that could be completed minutes before the deadline.
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>>4750135
aite before i go further on this

choco shinjannie, y or n
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>>4750232
She threw Enkidu at us and we immediately stomped him
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>>4750241
y
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>>4750241
Y
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>>4750241
I feel like both could work, it really depends on whether you want to be showing Shinji as his Saver form or as his Beast form.
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>>4750241
Yeah.
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>>4750255
Foreigner. With Alaya overdosed on forbidden love stories.
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>>4750241
Why do counter guardians get that color scheme anyway?
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>>4750241
Nice
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>>4750267
The Counter Force makes you toasty
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>>4750267
They brown because they burned out
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>>4750267
Gyaru Alaya.
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"What a second... How much do you know about Orochi's summoning?" You're too interested in what she just mentioned to ask her anything else, and you suppose that she might have at least some knowledge that she was still withholding from you after all for some reason.

"Oh? That, well, not much, I didn't dare stay in his underground lair for long, I didn't want to push my luck, even with Bluff of Okehazama. I doubt he would've taken kindly to my presence, and that huge magic crystal that Caster made with him was the sort of thing that would've probably just absorbed me if I got too close. Even from a hundred meters away the pressure was enough to cause my bones to creak."

"Hold on... what are you talking about, a crystal?" What the hell is Orochi doing down there?! If Caster is Paracelcus as you had originally imagined, then wouldn't that mean that mean he's made a colossal Philosopher's Stone? Why?!

"Yeah, a huge crystal, it was floating and was about the size of... hmmph, a small castle, I suppose?" Nobunaga raises a hand to her chin in deep thought. "Now, I'm not expert when it comes to magical stuff, but the amount of energy that it was producing was incredible! It was like it was producing more energy than I could even properly comprehend, like it was taking it directly from the planet itself! But... It was being siphoned away into these four summoning circles that Orochi had set up. He didn't speak with Caster once, either, I think they were communicating through the mental link. Caster looked pretty miserable, honestly." Nobunaga adjusts her outfit as Alítheia lands. "I got away pretty quickly after that. I didn't want to be found out, I'm not sure what he could be up to, honestly, and... It's a pretty long way down, a three kilometer descent into the earth. A spiraling tunnel carved out by Orochi for the sake of his plan I guess."

Nobunaga frowns again, clearly, she's not happy with her inability to get all the information she needs, and you're left pretty clueless as to just what Orochi could be up to down there. A huge Philosopher's Stone that is drawing energy directly from the Planet? Perhaps a primordial replication of soul of the Planet? Is he attempting to usurp Gaia? No... He's using that energy for something else, to summon four things. But... what could he be attempting to summon? Beasts? That wouldn't serve much purpose, would it? Divine Spirits? Potentially, but why...? While you're aware of his ability to become stronger through devouring gods, this does seem like too much effort for something like that, especially when Zouken managed to summon Orochi into him once already... Damn it! What the hell are you up to, you Snake Bastard?!
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You don't let your mental distress show on your face as you respond to Nobunaga. "This is... deeply concerning news, but thank you for mentioning it regardless, Nobunaga." You thank the Servant for her intel, before looking at Rin. "As for a Master, it will only be a temporary affair as she'll only have enough magical energy to sustain you while she's in her current state, but I think Rin should become your Master. With a currently infinite supply of magical energy, you'll be able to fight at your best."

"Very well, I'll see to contracting her, though in the meantime, I think it might be about time for you to go take command of the rest of your allies, they seem to have reached something of an impasse on how to proceed." Nobunaga points you in the direction of your allies as she dismounts the Dragon and approaches the now landed Rin. You quickly follow her lead in dismounting Alítheia, and the rest of your allies follow suit. Following closely behind you as you approach the main force of your allies. None of them really look the worse for wear, even EMIYA looks like he's not that badly wounded despite apparently having been stabbed earlier. You suppose you can thank the magi in the group for that. Touko and Morgan are both exceptionally skilled. You're glad that nobody is hurt, truly.

"I'm glad that you could all make it, everyone. I'm sure that you understand that this is the location where we should be facing off against Yamata-no-Orochi, though I have just been informed that he is actually hiding beneath the ground like the snake he is. So to get to him we'll need to..." You're cut off feeling of dread washes over you, and agony takes hold of your heart.

Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey.

Something... is... trying to take control of your head! You're... not going to let them get away with this! You're stronger than this curse!
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>>4750281
"You would dare attempt to take control of me, you mongrel deity?!" The clear voice of Gilgamesh cuts through the pain as you look at the King of Heroes draw forth a blade from the Gate of Babylon before thrusting it into the ground. At that moment, the pain disappears from your head, while you were capable of overcoming it by yourself, you think, you doubt the same could be said as true for your allies. Looking around you you see that more than a few of them have passed out. Ayaka, EMIYA, Touko, Billy, Shiki, Rin, Sasaki and even Morgan, all of them are laying unconscious on the floor. Leaving yourself, Nobunaga, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, SHIKI, Sakura, Medusa, Mordred, Ciel, Obeithion, Lugh and Alítheia as the ones left standing out of the subjugation force.

"What a horrible curse." Enkidu frowns. "Thankfully, Gilgamesh managed to act in time to avoid the curse from being able to actualize on anybody here. Otherwise they would've all been turned into the puppets of Orochi." That bastard really isn't playing around anymore, is he?!

"Indeed... This God is more powerful than I had imagined. The protective field of this anti-curse blade will protect your allies for long enough that such a curse shouldn't be capable of taking effect again, however... your enemies may take the opportunity to strike if your allies are left here without defenses."

"I can sense an entrance to a great tunnel below us. I'll clear a path to it." Enkidu walks over to a collapsed section of the castle and simply begins pounding away at it. You guess he can just... get on with that.

>Use a command spell to summon Medea, have her teleport everyone who was knocked out by the curse back home.
>Leave your allies here without any defense.
>Leave a member of your conscious allies behind to defend your unconscious allies.
>Try to wake your unconscious allies up somehow (How?)
>Write-in...
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>>4750287
Not sure how that reply got there.
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Um. Have Medea come here with Chiyome, then TP everyone unconscious out and leave Chiyome here for anti curse duty?
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>Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey. Suffer. Obey.
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>>4749933
He does it for free
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>>4750292
Can we still communicate using Tamamo's badges to our allies?
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Where the hell are Merlin and Waver's groups?
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>>4750267
TOHSAKA is the only counter guardian I know of without the white hair and tan thing going on.
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>>4750297
I shall not be compensated monetarily.
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>>4750295
Yes, probably the best course of action. But we lost Shiki so we are kind of fucked.
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>>4750300
Jesus fucking christ those lips.
They're giving me very impure thoughts.
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Can we just contact Medea via telepathy and get her to recall the unconscious remotely? Bringing her here seems unnecessary hazard. And would Chiyome work on waking them up if we CS brought her here?
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>>4750295
Medea can't come here cause of Nega Deity though
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>>4750304
PLEASES
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>4 summoning circles

Is this rat bastard trying to summon the HORSEMEN?
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>>4750303
Alcides should be fine to come if Medea can bring Chiyome.

Also, the fuck is he summoning?
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Chiyome has those anti curse seals that were capable of forcing back grail mud, don't know how we can wake them up though
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>>4750031
Interesting, I was pretty on the mark with Anthropocentrism it seems.
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Is he summoning the Yomotsu-Shikome from Yomi, using AoG rules to dig into it?
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>>4750311
>Four Summoning Circles.
>In Japan
>Stronger then Orochi
It's obvious, anon. He's trying to summon the King.
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Plan time. Contact Medea, maybe through the Tamamo sticker, get her to teleport Alcides and Chiyome here.
Do we have a way to wake them up? Maybe Manaka might send the alters to kill them again.
Also where's Waver's group? And the rest of Orochi's servants?
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>>4750308
Well that's one way to overcome death.
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Weak will servant list:
>Emiya
>Billy
>Sasaki
>Morgan
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>>4750308
Quite possibly. Or even worse....4 beasts. Whilst I don’t know what beasts exactly. As unlikely as this may sound....Kiara might be one of them. It sounds incredibly unlikely I know. But unless he plans to summon fucking lostbelt trees. Its not the worst thing in the world to guess.
>but why Kiara
Well. Fuck if I know. I mean anything is fucking possible now. Hell for all we know he could be summoning 4 of the most powerful demon god pillars. Whatever it is. Assume the worst.

>>4750318
God if fucking only.
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>>4750322
One of them was in Strange Fake iirc.
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>>4750287
>Have Chiyome put curse protection on Medea
>Use a command spell to summon Medea and Chiyome here
>Ask Chiyome if she can help your unconscious allies to wake up and provide best protection she can against curses to everyone who will continue to fight
>If Medea could get Alcides here too ask her to do so
>Have Medea teleport everyone who fail to wake up home
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>>4750318
YES.
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Could it be related to Para? He can make elementals of the 4 Elements+Ether. What could he make with Planet power+Arc stuff ? Not to mention all that Photonic Crystal. Those elementals arent just combat bodies, they are versatile. And may gain Authorities?
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>>4750327
yeah Pestilence
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>>4750267
Because they're slaves
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>>4750325
>>4750330
What do you guys think about this for the next Carnival?
>Battle with Orochi escalates to actual combat with him in his full snake form and Shinji's team, though trying their hardest, was unable to beat the Snake God and lay defeated with only Shinji standing. Just as Orochi goes for the kill however, there's a flash of blue and that head of Orochi vanishes as Japan's King appears.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6qAIaqK3_Q
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>>4750328
I’m actually going to expand upon this. Apart of me feels like we need to do a little extra here.

>Have Chiyome put curse protection on Medea
>Use a command spell to summon Medea and Chiyome here
>Ask Chiyome if she can help your unconscious allies to wake up and provide best protection she can against curses to everyone who will continue to fight
>If Medea could get Alcides here too ask her to do so
>Have Medea teleport everyone who fail to wake up home
and
>Have Medea Teleport Waver and his gang as well as Wukong and her Master to us ASAP. That is if they haven’t fallen under the effects of the curse.

I feel like we need to at the very least get Waver here ASAP. He didn’t fucking fly here for nothing and I don’t think its a wise idea to just leave him in the background. We might as well teleport him in, give him a TLDR; and then let him help us.

Is this the wisest idea? Not sure. But I still feel like its at least decent.
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>>4750307
OLD
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>>4750327
Birthday Ghost woo woo
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>>4750347
How do we know Waver's team would accept the teleportation?
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>>4750343
The True Ultimate One.
>>4750347
I am unsure on Waver`s group.
On the one hand Orochi could try and take control over them if we leave them behind. On the other hand they might be less than friendly to us for various reasons. So we might lose some time in a small scrimish.
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>>4750354
Well unless the forest can be scryed upon now, not like we can scry them. I guess we could teleport to them but even then...fuck man who knows.
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Ibuki was called as an Underworld God in nasu amongst other things iirc, so its not that big a surprise Orochi is trying to reach Tokoyo no Kuni//Japanese Otherworld /Reverse Side.
But what does he want there...? What comes in fours in Japanese myth? Or Nasuland?
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>>4750323
It's to do with both willpower, magic resistance and a bunch of factors.
Morgan, Obeithion and Lugh got hit extra hard though.
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I have been expecting it for a couple updates now, but Chiyome hasn't checked in yet. Wouldn't she tell us the moment she succeeded with the bottle?
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>>4750362
well we're on a timer and Orochi is about to summon some world ending thing so maybe lets not waste anymore time
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>>4750368
Oh yea its some Land/Leyline fuckery then. Elementals and fairies got extra fucked. Don't let any Einzberns, Gods or Arc come close.
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>>4750311
Err shit, is he building a mythological zoo?

>Suzaku
>Seiryu
>Genbu
>Byakko

Idk how their powerlevels would be though
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>>4750311
>Also, the fuck is he summoning?
Four Heavenly Kings or something autistic like Black Tortoise, White Tiger, Vermilion Bird and Azure Dragon?
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Wait why doesn't Gil put them in his gate? Can we ask him to do that like he did for SHIKI and Ayaka?
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>>4750354
Gonna have to gamble it I guess, just like Medea did with us.
It's better than nothing anyway, if they don't take the tp then there is no loss
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>>4750325
Not. Nearly. Paranoid. Enough.
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>>4750375
Hes corrupting/stealing from the Land. He is digging, probably trying to get into the Reverse Side/Tokoy or Yomi itself. He has 4 summoning circles. Para is somehow connected, and a gianthuge Photonic Crystal is part of it. Whta can that do? Calculate shit. And maybe control whst it calculates.
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>>4750379
again we have like very little time before he does SOMETHING, either summoning Gods, turning into Type Earth or digging into the Reverse Side, we don't have much time anymore
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>>4750386
Personifications of Four Fundamental Forces of the Universe?
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My guess is maybe he wants to calculate a future or past and move the entire World to be like that...?


I am basing this on the calculation ability of photonic crystals, Orochi being a japanese underworld/mountain god digging down and what little we know of Ame no Nuhoko which seems like Japanese Rhongo. What little we know of what can be done with it is the NP of Erice frkm Requiem who uses a very degraded image of it.

"Making use of a replica of the Divine-Crafted Ritual Instrument known as the Ame-no-Nuboko she commits a region of space to a hypothetical calculation of structure, and subsequently reverts the encompassed structures / mass / meaning / nidana unto primordial chaos. As applicable to Servants, the effect of the magecraft liquidates / severs the Saint Graph targeted. By the reversal of entropy, this is described as a return unto Yomi "

Theoretically you can calculate any desired outcome and manifest it via the Nation Building/reality terraforming tool, no?
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>>4750387
>Calculate shit. And maybe control whst it calculates.
Never took Zouken for a gamer.
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Relying on Chiyome is a mistake. She hasn't told us she has the bottle, and she would. If we CS her now, we risk grabbing her mid-jump, dooming Illya in the process.

Calling Medea here is a mistake. We just got hit by Orochi's curse, so we're in range of the god-eater. There's a reason we sent her away.

Having her teleport Waver without warning is a mistake. He won't know it's not an attack, and someone may get hurt in the process.

And we should also not forget that Merlin has messed with the forest. Medea's scrying didn't work. We don't know about her teleports, but we were afraid enough not to try.

I have no plan yet, but we should avoid the obvious mistakes at least.
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>>4750390
Are there four fundamental forces of the universe? I can only think of Nasu and Takeuchi.
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Look at this dumb fat snake.
Calling in 20
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NEW THREAD:

>>4749924
>>4749924
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>>4750390
Nasu
Takeuchi
WhatIs
Hiroshimoot

Bind those four to his will and he will be truly unstoppable
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>>4750399
Vamoose.
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>>4750390
didn't it turn out that the electromagnetic force and the weak nuclear force were actually one and the same at high enough temperature?
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>>4750399
Wrong thread...?
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>>4750396
Paracelsus' Astronomia kinda works via rendering the classical elements+ether as spatial matrices that together exist in all things as seeds that are variably sprouted by the influence of the astronommical spirits/gods/angels or by Providence into phenomena.

Technically if Para gets his IRL alchemy shit in here nasuland, it can do something akin to Fundamental Forces control, but magic.
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>Ayaka, EMIYA, Touko, Billy, Shiki, Rin, Sasaki and even Morgan, all of them are laying unconscious on the floor

>yourself, Nobunaga, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, SHIKI, Sakura, Medusa, Mordred, Ciel, Obeithion, Lugh and Alítheia

Shiki's down. We don't have a way to kill Orochi without him. Did Rin manage to contract Nobunaga before she shut down as well? Our mages were all fucked by this.

>>4750398
>20
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>4750399
Woah. Shinji. In my Westeros? More likely than you think.
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>>4750399
I know half the board is this quest but this is not the new /qtg/
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>>4750398
Ibuki in GO shit is called or referred to as a Tsuchinoko. The fuck is this guy doing??
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Less speculation about Orochi's plan, more figuring out what to do right the fuck now.
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>>4750409
Why don't you check the character sheet?
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>>4750416
You did not say status updated, and I have been trained too well.
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>>4750417
You were a little busy to notice.
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i have no fucking idea what to do now i think we should call in Chiyome and hope she figures out how to wake them
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>>4750419
NO! We don't know Chiyome has the bottle yet.
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>>4750405
Talks about fifth force are as active as ever. Same with idea about abolition of whole system since high end mathematics no longer has any ground in reality. And you can still hear about electromagnetic universe theory. On top of idea about gravitation being multidimensional power and time actually not being a thing at all.
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>>4750420
ok whats the idea then? We have ten minutes and only one person voted
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>>4750419
>>4750420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9bo95dWpVQ
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>>4750420
She already did in the interlude, why wouldn't she?
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Just ask if Gil can put them in his gate and move on
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>>4750408
Welp

We tanked Aza-Betty, can we do the same with Thanocelsus's deatomization?
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Ok, here's a hint.
Think about the relevance of snakes in mythology.
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>>4750287
I'll vote for >>4750328
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>>4750422
>tfw filtered by the babby tier formulas in quantum 101
Physics is cool, but my brain's too small for it.
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>>4750429
they ate Gil's immortality
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>>4750429
Snake from Eden
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>>4750429
White snakes in china are good luck, and are generally either symbols of sin and deception in the west or Rebirth in the east. Since we're in Japan I'm gonna say its a symbol of Rebirth ala shedding of the skin=reincarnation blah blah.
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>>4750328
>>4750287
well since literally no one else came up with something, guess i'll support this
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>>4750429
Could it be some Jormungandr type shit with the whole gnawing the roots of the world thing? With him wanting to eat Gaia/The World? Snakes are sometimes bad news like in Hindu stuff the Solar and Lunar eclipse being Ketu and Rahu stars which are respectively the decapitated head and body of a snake dragon thing wanting to eat the sun and moon.
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>>4750287
>Politely ask Gilgamesh to use his Gate of Babylon to send everyone who was knocked out by the curse back home, as well as Alitheia.
>Mentally contact Medea. Inform her of the situation. Tell her that Chiyome should heal them all the moment she is back from banishing Ishtar. Ask those who can to follow you beneath Einzbern castle along with Alcides, Jason and Chiyome as fast as they can. Ayaka should stay behind with Alitheia, but the Chiyome will protect the rest. Ask Aoko to join them if she can, the mansion should be safe enough without her.
We cannot leave them here. We don't know if Chiyome is free yet. She would have contacted us to report mission success. She will fix them all the moment she is. We don't know if Medea can teleport. We know Gilgamesh can. And where we go, a dragon cannot follow. We should sent her to her mother, along with everyone else.
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>>4750429
I have no idea. This is not my kind of autism.
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Uhhh could Orochi be trying to actually no shit resurrect Izanami or something? But would he really give up his position as top dog? The hell could he be resurrecting or renewing? The Age of Gods?
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>>4750429
The serpent of Eden tempted mankind into knowledge of good and evil. The Ouroboros represents eternity, ie, existence before existence.

They are sometimes asociated with rivers.

Apophis is a snake that represents chaos and opposes order/truth.
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>>4750429
How general are we talking. Like the imagery of Chaoskampf in Indo-European mythology wherein a skyfather type god contends with and defeats a snake-dragon-god of Chaos, representing the triumph of order and civilization while saying Chaos was still necessary for the creation of the world/current order or more like Japan specific mah dude. Its a wide topic for autism.
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>>>4750287
Adding to my write-in >>4750438
>Hug and headpat Alitheia when she takes her human form before sending her away. She did great.

>>4750441
He would certainly not give up his position as top dog. Whatever he's doing, it's to make him the toppest dog. I have no idea.
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>>4750440
If you'd like some more autism related to Sakura, then how about I tell you that Angra Mainyu with Sakura as his host was a Beast Candidate all along?
Meaning that Sakura is just, the go-to person to possess or use for Beasts.
Seriously.
Angra-Mainyu, BB, Kama, in this quest, Tiamat, and also kind of Kiara in CCC when she eats all the Sakurafaces.
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>>4750287
>>Politely ask Gilgamesh to use his Gate of Babylon to send everyone who was knocked out by the curse back home, as well as Alitheia.
>>Mentally contact Medea. Inform her of the situation. Tell her that Chiyome should heal them all the moment she is back from banishing Ishtar. Ask those who can to follow you beneath Einzbern castle along with Alcides, Jason and Chiyome as fast as they can. Ayaka should stay behind with Alitheia, but the Chiyome will protect the rest. Ask Aoko to join them if she can, the mansion should be safe enough without her.
>Hug and headpat Alitheia when she takes her human form before sending her away. She did great.
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Oh hey, time to tally.
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>>4750429
>mythology
We've got a pretty gnarly one about a moon-eating snek dragon, but I have a feeling that's not what he's tryna pull.

Serpent of Eden, original sin and all that jazz maybe?
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>>4750446
Interesting. Sakura is THE Beast host. Poor girl.
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>>4750446
>Meaning that Sakura is just, the go-to person to possess or use for Beasts.
What did she do to deserve this
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>>4750450
Why are you so mean? Time extension! Almost no one voted yet!
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>>4750456
Vote for it
y/n
you have ten minutes to vote for an extra 30 minutes.
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>>4750454
You mean other than being born with the Attribute and Element of "that which is impossible but materializes" and "that which is possible but not on the material plane", making her an ideal host for immaterial beings like Beasts, Gods and AI?
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>>4750457
y
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>>4750457
y. All my y.
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>>4750454
>What did she do to deserve this?
Final boss of Fate/Stay Night.
That's what.
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>>4750457
Y
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>>4750457
Y
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>>4750457
No
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>>4750457
Y
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Am I supposed to autism about hermeticism and alchemy because Paracelsus is there, and snake imagery in that? Am I supposed to think its related to the chtonic underworld gods that sometimes snakes represent? Its too much to decide.

Is Orochi about to supersaturate the air with Ether again and cause normies to explode, because snakes in alchemy are a symbol for "poison and medicine are separated by dosage"??
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The reason they didn't vote is because there was no bandwagon vote with several paragraphs.
Most wait until a namefag does one. Usually Niggerman.
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OK go nuts, you have 30 more minutes.
Don't spend it all at once.
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>>4750431
There are plenty of interactive courses these day.
And it is not like there is much to feel sad about between academia circlejerk, replication crisis and idea that humans as they are now are simply incapable of properly understanding reality and we either need to change or we are going to be fully reliant on machines to do all the heavy lifting in the future with higher concepts and calculation. This goes as far as being unable to understand them at all.
And if we conteplate pretty grim theory about about some of our technological development hitting the wall soon it is rather sad state. Conductors and all of that.
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While you guys contemplate your next move, I'm going to go make some gnocchi.
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>>4750481

>Triangle
Mount

>square
slap

>X
grope

>circle
Hug
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Alright, back on topic. Any problems with my write-in that I might be missing?
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>>4750489
Yeah
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>>4750481
i had to reset my game cause this was a quick time event and i missed it
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Okay next guess. Orochi is trying to resurrect Crimson Moon by carving a Millenium Castle out of Photonic Crystal and using Arc's power, maybe calculate him into reality, and then either possess him or eat him. Otherwise the problem isn't having no guess, it's having too many guesses to choose from.
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>>4750287

supporting >>4750448
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>>4750474
headless chickens when I'm wagecucking
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>>4750492
Why four summoning circles then?

And can we focus on the topic at hand?
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>>4750495
Soon to be just headless, I assure you.
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>>4750495
We have become too reliant on your unique autism.

We will not survive your absence.
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Time's ticking.
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One of the things in my post which was said fo be enough paranoia was Tree of Time Fuckery.

What is a snake? Jormungamdr. Wht does he do? Gnaw the roots of the world tree? What is aOrochi gonna do? Eat the root of the Tree of Time of the Human Order. Either by going to the root of the planet or calculating and rayshifting to the beginning of the Human Order.

Solved it. I don't knkw what he is summoning tho. Solomon+someone maybe?
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What are our options again?
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>>4750507
Sheba+Solomon+Suzuka+Sigurd would be my guess if he were summoning HS for calculation ability. Otherwise what could he summon? Other timeline people? Other Tree of Time people to escape to a diff Tree?
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>>4750464
Shut up orochi.
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>>4750507
Nihoggr gnaws the roots ackshually. When Jormungandr stops performing autofellatio ragnarok begins btw.
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>>4750287
>Jason's Scheme
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Just have Sakura go full Tiamat and pour the sea of Genesis down Orochi's hole in the Earth while Gil gets everyone out of there with GoB. Amino Geas gg
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>>4750520
That does not strike me as a very good plan. Nigga, are you ok?
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Based on the dumb fat snake comment my paranoia says it could be Ashiya Douman hijacked Orochi like he did Ibuki to grow his Tree. We did piss him off from another universe away , so who knows.
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Great, we have 10 min left and 1 person has voted.
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>>4750524
I'm in my wagecage, no I'm not ok
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>>4750524
Its a pretty good plan tho. If he wanted to reverse engineer Cahos Tide grailmud was right there.
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>>4750525
>Douman hijacked Orochi
Haha, if he tried he'd be a decent power-up for Orochi.
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>>4750287
>Use a command spell to summon Medea, have her teleport everyone who was knocked out by the curse back home.
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>>4750526
People aren't even discussing what we're gonna do right the fuck now!

>>4750527
Wageslaving sucks, I sympathise.
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Just occam's razor, follow God's plan as best you can.

Gil should send people away, mentally contact Medea to get Alcides here asap. Jason might have the full Argo too considering the scale of the threat. Medea teleporting in should be assumed as a 1 way ride for her, she'd have to manually escape.

>>4750533
Two extra free gods and another flavour of cursechaddery, thanks.
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>>4750287
>Politely ask Gilgamesh to use his Gate of Babylon to send everyone who was knocked out by the curse back home, as well as Alitheia.
>Mentally contact Medea. Inform her of the situation. Tell her that Chiyome should heal them all the moment she is back from banishing Ishtar. Ask those who can to follow you beneath Einzbern castle along with Alcides, Jason and Chiyome as fast as they can. Ayaka should stay behind with Alitheia, but the Chiyome will protect the rest. Ask Aoko to join them if she can, the mansion should be safe enough without her.
>Hug and headpat Alitheia when she takes her human form before sending her away. She did great.
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>>4750536
Timezones means I'm too tired to tactics autism. Doesnt really matter plan is okay. Maybe we could try to fuck the land. Ask Gil? Destroy his leylines even
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>>4750541
I am glad you approve. But why didn't you actually vote?
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>>4750547
shit and cum tantrum time yeet.

>>4750287

>>4750542
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>>4750547
Pandemonium Cetus is probably better than asking Gil for two favours at once
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>>4750547
>Maybe we could try to fuck the land. Ask Gil? Destroy his leylines even
I'm worried he'll bust out the country breaking attacks if we do that without being right there to stop him.
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So Pandemonium the leyline is good imo. Where is Ciel btw?
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Important also. Wait for Chiyome to out loads of Curse prot on Medusa before she Pandemoniums the land.!!
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And mentally checking in on Betty will be worth, she's our plot device.

If Orochi breaks out his anti mountain tantrum attacks he's going to collapse 3km of earth onto his ritual crystal and circles anyway.
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>>4750559
Ciel is left standing and will be following us down. Pandemonium turns everyone around into slurry, and I'm worried Orochi is holding Japan hostage.
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>>4750568
Enkidu can also tap into the counterforce and knit the land back together, unless he lost that lynchpin of heaven concept
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>>4750535

>>4750494
>>4750448

>>4750551
>>4750542

>>4750438

>>4750347

>>4750328
>>4750430
>>4750436
This wins.
>Have Chiyome put curse protection on Medea
>Use a command spell to summon Medea and Chiyome here
>Ask Chiyome if she can help your unconscious allies to wake up and provide best protection she can against curses to everyone who will continue to fight
>If Medea could get Alcides here too ask her to do so
>Have Medea teleport everyone who fail to wake up home
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>>4750542
>>4750542

+Add to this
>When Chiyome gets here ask her to protect Medusa from curses however she can.
>Then ask Medusa to Pandemonium Cetus the leyline where Orochi is.
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>>4750569
And his Enuma Elish scales towards targets that are Threats to Humanity
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>>4750542
>>4750287
+1
Not even a complicated vote, shake off the paralysis guys.
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>>4750568
Dude Orochi is either about to eat Japan, cursecontrol Japan, do either to the world or even worse.
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>>4750567
>Anti-Mountain
Anti-Country.

Also fun fact, it apparently takes Alaya till the Grail Mud has consumed half of the world in HF bad endings before it fucking sends Grand Servants.
Counter Guardians?
What are they?
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>>4750572
I think you're miscounting man.
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>>4750579
CGs get mogged. Did you see how weak Majin Okita started as before everything came together?
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>>4750579
Yet the fire of Rome was enough to get Redman sent there in his UBW ufotable flashbacks.

I wonder what could have occurred there
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>>4750583
I'm pretty sure that originally, a single Counter Guardian alone was meant to be Dark Sakura/Holy Grail tier, but I guess they have been relegated to jobber status for the new Flavor of the Month.
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>>4750583
We've come a long way from Archer supposedly posessing only a billionth of his true strength as a servant.
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>>4750577
I think we have enough time to get there. We're still following God's plan. Cetus is our best option if we don't, no arguments there.
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>>4750585
Ufotabble did a retard. The script was leaked and romans wasnt even in it. It was supposed to be aRedman while alive in South America or something, killing terrorists with child soldiers. How Ufo fucked it up so hard is a Mystery.
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>>4750588
Please understandu, Grands are the new shiny object to wank over. Even though 7 are ment to be summoned per Beast, yet only 1 is ever summoned at a time?
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>>4750585
He probably needed to shoot a guy before he sneezed on somebody and caused a plague or something.
Counter Guardians don't actually get to do anything interesting, obviously.
The real reason EMIYA wants to kill himself is because Alaya keeps sending him to kick lepers to death.
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>>4750580
Nope.
Now the Gilgamesh vote is winning, but that's after the time limit, so I dunno which qm will go for.
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>>4750588
Based on what I read, that was a problen in translation reading. What was OP wasnt CGs ,but the something Force of Deterrence which manifests as natural disasters if needed. CGs are the things called frmo the Circle of Deterrence as per HS summoning chant, because itnwas based on the World's mechanism. There is no difference between CG and HS unless CF is actively puppeting them.
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>>4750598
I'm still eating gnocchi you have five more minutes.
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>>4750600
is it handmade or are you a cooklet?
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Anyone’s got a clover on hand? We could summon Saint Patrick and have him banish the bastard.
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>>4750602
It tastes like shit, that's all I'm going to reveal about it.
Fuck the gnocchi, what won?
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>>4750599
>There is no difference between CG and HS unless CF is actively puppeting them.
And is there any reason the CF wouldn't be actively puppeting every Counter Guardian that it summons?
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>>4750609
This>>4750542
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>>4750609
>>4750448
I think
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>>4750602
just noticed I have a mutt ID eww

>>4750611
I guess some people are summoned due to their tactical ability to diffuse situations oh who am I kidding they're meant to just nuke an area
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>>4750611
Resource limits/Minimum intervention/Plot.
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>>4750614
The fact that
>Timeline Pruning
>Counter Guardians
>GRAND SERVANTS
Exist and the world still gets fucked up constantly is probably proof that all three were a narrative mistake, as they only exist to be written around by the author.
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>>4750618
>Resource limits
True Ancestors were just the result of Gaia asking Crimson Moon how to download more RAM and he sent her a virus.
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So, in an effort to stop worrying about the next update:

Four summoning circles + Orochi. Four basic elements + 1 extra. Paracelsus is a master of elemental magic in addition to his alchemy. Arcueid is an elemental, and Orochi now has power over them. I think there's a connection here, but I can't figure out what.

>>4750620
Or maybe the author should not have the world get fucked up constantly?
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>>4750620
Ah but the villain of the weak came up with jannieforce avoidance method 683 aren't they intelligent please fear their tactical genius as they proceed to trip over themselves jobbing to the protagonist
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>>4750624
4 Great Archangels are also linked to each of the four elements.

Satan is the great serpent and the great dragon. his charisma was good enough to convince 1/3 of the angels in heaven to revolt and fall.
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>>4750626
>villain of the weak
Alberich?
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>>4750629
Is Orochi planning to eat God?
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>>4750629
and angels are bound or artificially created in alchemy. they can also be bound by men

>Proponents of the supernatural interpretation of alchemy believed that the philosopher's stone might be used to summon and communicate with angels.
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>>4750624
4 Astronomia elementals+Orochi for Ether as vessels for uber Para spirits with powerover the elements? Authority over all things via Arcpower if you go that route, by making artifical Gods. Para spirits are made to be used so they can Orochi servants I guess


Speculated.
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>>4750624
>Or maybe the author should not have the world get fucked up constantly?
I mean, I know I can't really talk, but
THE ESCALATION, EVERY ENEMY NEEDS TO BE BIGGER THAN THE LAST!
THIS ENEMY IS GOING TO RESET THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE BUT AT THE SAME TIME ONLY INDIA BECAUSE TEXTURES LOL.
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>>4750632
Alberich is theoretically strong, but narratively weak, which really fits right in with the current state of nasuverse power escalation if you think about it.
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>>4750629
Para astronomia links angels to planets and gods btw. For example Mars(Planet) Mars(God) Michael (Angel)
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>The word saraph/seraphim appears four times in the Book of Isaiah (6:2–6, 14:29, 30:6). In Isaiah 6:2–6 the term is used to describe a type of celestial being or angel. The other uses of the word refer to serpents.

You could mental gymnastics that angels are in fact, snakes. Sounds like a Fate/ism to me

>Tradition places seraphim in the highest rank in Christian angelology and in the fifth rank of ten in the Jewish angelic hierarchy. A seminal passage in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1–8) used the term to describe six-winged beings that fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy". This throne scene, with its triple invocation of holiness, profoundly influenced subsequent theology, literature and art. Its influence is frequently seen in works depicting angels, heaven and apotheosis. Seraphim are mentioned as celestial beings in an influential Hellenistic work, the Book of Enoch, and the Book of Revelation.

WhatIs hasn't responded to my autism this time so I maybe be close. Everyone else got (you)s
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>>4750642
I fucking hate that shit. Leads to Dragonball-tier ridiculousness. You don't have to up the stakes all the time, just keep them personal and varied. People watching movies don't care that ten billion NPCs will die if the bad guy succeeds. They care if he will kill well-liked named characters, even if it's a single life.

And I don't see you as being guilty of that. Manaka threatens the multiverse. We don't know what exactly Orochi threatens, but it's probably less than the multiverse. Even if he's personally stronger, which I kinda doubt, we mostly care that he's threatening Fuyuki and, to a lesser extent, Japan.
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I'm just going to copypaste someone else's thing about how IRL Para alchemy theory can connect to Nasu stuff. Ready made autism.

"Historically, within the theories of Paracelsus, the 4 Great Elements are regarded as overlapping spatial matrices in the same manner as Nasu renders his Aspects. Within these Elemental matrices, immaterial "seeds" have been scattered as of the time of the Creation, to be nurtured / inspired as to develop into observable phenomena by the action of the Astronomia -- existences similar to Nasu's conception of Faeries / Elemental Spirits.

Specifically, the "seeds" noted above exist in different varieties within the same Elemental matrix, and the nature of the phenomena they eventually blossom into is determined by the Virtue imposed upon them by God. Paracelsus believed, therefore, that by Alchemical practice -- that is, chemical distillation, filtering, refinement, and so forth -- these Virtues could be extracted and rendered to a purified state, and subsequently used to create every manner of phenomena.

The Virtues are noted to exist within Nasu's setting, but Nasu hasn't elaborated on their role."

The Astronomia that historically existed within Paracelsus' worldview are analogous to Nasu's Faeries. However, the designation of "Astronomia" comes of Paracelsus' theory that they arise of "the dust of the stars." To explicate, Paracelsus conceived that the celestial bodies are in essence a sort of representation of the mind of God, and each specific body represents a particular "directionality." Being that Mars represents the concept of War, any Astronomia originating of Mars would impose upon the "seeds" they inspire / nurture a "warlike" directionality. Ergo, a child conceived under an alignment of Mars might per the Astronomia that nurtured their conception bear a propensity for conflict; or have a particular talent for warfare."

"Incidentally, in Paracelsus' worldview, Element-specific Astronomia are referred to as Archei, and designated by the following names:

Element of Water - Undine
Element of Fire - Salamander
Element of Earth - Gnome
Element of Wind - Sylph"

Archei came up in Case Files when Waver talks about how in ye olde magecraft Archeinare used while moddern use angels.
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>>4750642
At least in this quest the escalation is limited to a single grail war, and not 14+ tangentially related events.
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>>4750651
Might be relevant: Paracelsus in Fate was censured by the Clocktower for publishing the Archidoxis Magica. The Archidoxis Magica was used as basis for The Lesser Key of Solomon. The Lesser Key of Solomon is about summoning Demons, contacting Spirits and Angels and stuff like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archidoxis_magica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon
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Does Ciel have the spear? What does it actually do?
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>>4750651
Samael, Venom of God is sometimes named as the Serpent in the Garden instead of Shaytan, and remember our Beast qlippoth autism speculation.
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>>4750662
stabs jews

>>4750660
Makes him a potential antithesis to Goetia in a way for clap points
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>>4750656
Don't forget that ORT-chan is almost certainly going to end up scaling above everything else.
Which means that this man kills Solar-System destroying beings with a cool gun, and Ado Edem just uses a really long sword.
How did they even kill a single fucking Type?
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>>4750665
Anti-Goetia is prob Crowley's Aiwass or John Dee's angel summoning enochian shit.
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>>4750665
So Black Barrel would have been a better choice is what you are saying.
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>>4750669
Ask Zelretch. In the future the Six Sisters exist who each usee a Magic. And Magic by the time of Notes, not AD 2018
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>>4750673
Orochi didn't exist at the time, and we'd have Atlas using their 6 other superweapons against us in future
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>>4750673
We have yet to poke anyone with Longinus.
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>>4750677
Not all is lost. In Notes...notes, Black Barrel was subtitled as Longinus too.
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>>4750673
Long term, it's better to have Atlas friendly. We don't need another enemy organization with all those we already have. The Spear should be a god-killing weapon too, even if it's not as easily useable as a gun.
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You could use mental gymnastics to state that, as angels may be a form of serpent that the reason Lucifer is the Great Dragon/Serpent is that he was actually a snake to begin with. Being God's favoured angelsnake.

This is full retard though.

WhatIs liking ToAru makes me assume angels with a splash of Ragnarok though given the subject material he read up to if anything used used an inspiration and has been rent free subconsciously waking its way into this new narrative.
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>>4750677
One of their Superweapons is just Morgan's PC
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>>4750673
Lance of Longinus is likely an anti divine weapon as it killed Jesus Christ, its also been described as being on the same level as Rhongomyniad and Romulus's Lance
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>>4750690
>even if it's not as easily useable as a gun.
If only you had somebody with a champion javelin throw technique.
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>>4750698
Alcides? Winner of multiple Olympics?

JETS, the UNRIVALLED of the Roundtable?
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>>4750698
You're saying we should have gone against God's plan? For shame.

Remember God: Happiness for everyone, or you get it.
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>>4750692
Hey, don't underestimate PCs. Crimson Moon's PC is running reality calcs. Moon Cell is supposedly not connected to Crimson Moon per se, but to the Brain of the Moon which usually refers to CM. Maybe in Extra CM is not Type Moon but something else.
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>>4750702
Manaka might have them converge on Orochi in time.

Have Faith
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>>4750702
I'm saying you shouldn't have just left poor Lancer to rot.
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>>4750701
JETS unfortunately is not an option. He died.

Alcides will totally arrive at our moment of greatest need and chuck the spear to the seething god I hope.
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Why is everyone with Eternal Arms Mastery EX such a fucking jobber?
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>>4750710
I'd said we should have had Rin work with Touko and Medea to figure out a better ritual to grab everyone after she grabbed Archer!
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>>4750713
Because Eternal Arms Mastery is a meme skill?
>Remembers how to fight and doesn't suffer from complete brain rot.
It's basically a requirement if you're a Berserker that has shit stats.
Like Raikou.
At least Jets has fantastic stats.
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>>4750725
Mana Burst (Cow)
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>>4750698
>he’d land a critical hit, but on the wrong target
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Ourorobouros, niddhog, or 4 other orochis
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>>4750729
crits Paracelsus who just explodes from the impact
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>>4750727
>Riding A+
>not summoned with a mount
Thank you Raikou, very cool.
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>>4750735
You know exactly what that skill is for
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>>4750737
Shuten disapproves.
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Ohfuck i just woke up, is the vote called?
what the fuck
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By the way, Gilgamesh has divinity. How is he not affected by nega-deity yet? Not in range yet? Or protective jewelry? Or is he just muscling through by the self imposed restriction?
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>>4750740
He should be writing now, yes
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>>4750744
Shit.
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>>4750742
nega deity has a willpower check and Gil clearly passes
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>>4750742
Yes.
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>>4750742
Don't gilgamesh actively rejects his own divinity?
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>>4750737
It's for when she gets summoned as a Rider in the Shimosa singularity and turned into a Heroic Spirit Swordsman so that she can immediately kill her horse because "Oops we don't have a design for Rider Raikou"
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>>4750742
Gilgamesh deep dived into cursemud and nothing happened to him. Orochi is small potatoes compared to the ego of the King of Heroes.
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>>4750750
It's probably just so her quick card gens more stars for her to unga bunga with if you want a legitimate answer.

Surprised she didn't have a subjugated tsuchigumo or something due to her feats. Or even this monstrosity, the Ushi-oni
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>>4750735
I only saw Lancer Raikou when I played FGO.
I did like her NP there though.
Is she at her strongest as Berserker?
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>>4750758
But she is the Ushi-oni.
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>>4750758

>Considering how "Gozu-Tennō" (ox-head king of skies) is sometimes thought to be another name for Susanoo, and Susanoo's harsh personality, there is the theory that this ushi-oni is an incarnation of Susanoo

>>4750761
Saber
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>>4750761
As a saber
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>>4750669
We should figure out exactly when he dies, so we can have one of our crazy time travelers pluck him from the future at exactly that moment. Then we can have cool normal human adventures.
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>>4750763
She can make clones of herself using Ox King Storm Call
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>>4750761
Saber is her best class
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>>4750761
Madness Enhancement EX isn't worth dirt.
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>>4750773
Am I close to the mark with my elemental Archangels paranoia? I find you ignoring it suspicious
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>>4750763
mmmmm, Ushi Oni...
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>Pandemonium Cetus does not require any time to set-up at all, and can be invoked in an area up to the size of an entire city
Just how much of a fine control does Medusa have over Cetus's area of effect? A diameter of a few meters around Orochi or his ritual should fuck him up nicely, and it shouldn't be hard to work around.
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>>4750790
Interesting idea.
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>>4750790
Enkidu can Presence Detection up something to help her target down and beam him with the energy taken in by destroying the landline
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It's almost a shame Satsuki doesn't have Depletion Garden, she might become relevant otherwise.
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What vote even won
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>>4750792
>>4750794
Yes. God sent us after her specifically. We assumed it was because Manaka planned to turn Fuyuki into slurry, but we never actually show her contract. It could have been the same "be a distraction" thing, and she wanted us busy while she killed Gilgamesh. If that's the case, God sent us after her because we would need her, specifically, here.

>>4750800
Gil+Mental Contact Medea+Headpat Alitheia.

>>4750799
What she has is the perfect safety room if things go wrong in the house. She's not as useful as she would have been at killing stuff, but she's the best at protecting what we care about.
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>>4750805
Ok, so next vote we vote for medusa if she can target that shit.
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We also should aks our cute assassin to give us Ishtar so rin can shove her into a different hole than iskandar so orochi has no chance of eating her if she counts as a god.
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Seeing as we're now not rejecting the dab on the leyline proposal that people weren't all that keen on earlier.

Enkidu while searching with PD should also be able to get a good feel for what exactly is happening to the leylines in the area as he finds the most direct path for the Pandemonium Cetus death beam. He might be able to do something himself before Medusa castrates them, as he needs them to draw from to form his Enuma Elish.
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>>4750819
I'll probably be asleep by then, so I'm counting on you all to have good news when I wake up. But I think we have the beginnings of an actual plan. Bust in, wreck his ritual by wrecking the leylines with pinpoint accuracy, be there to stop him from breaking Japan when he seethes. Just don't forget guys, being there to stop him from breaking Japan is important. Long-range ritual-busting probably has him breaking out the big guns to cope.

Of course, that's assuming he's actually using the leylines, but I see no reason to assume otherwise.

>>4750830
I actually think she should leave Ishtar home. She'll be accompanying the second group to protect them from being cursefucked. We'll have to deal without her.
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Oh, and we should tell Gil about Ishtar-in-a-bottle the moment we have confirmation. We want him double-extra motivated.
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>>4750834
>We go into the cavern
>Roof collapses from Orochi sneezing
>Dead

>We deathbeam from the surface while ruining the leyline
>Orochi reeeees, ritual is potentially interrupted if not ruined, circles are damaged. Maybe he only gets off 1 or 2 summons if any.
>Crystal is compromised or his sneeding and coping collapses the cave on top of him so he's forced to emerge with what he has left

Assuming he goes full earth shaker tantrum he'll have to rise up to meet us, giving Enkidu time to go bondage mode or enable a dual Enuma Elish + full power Cybele from all the energy Gorgon vored from the leylines.

I'm curious as to why we'd go into the cavern? Are we attempting MGS memes when Presence Concealment doesn't seem to even work on major characters who are magically talented
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>>4750846
Unless you think Chiyome + Bluff of Ozehama Nobu + Shroud Shinji holding Longinus is enough to sneak up and poke him from behind?

We don't know what Longinus does yet either
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>>4750850
And then from the surface use the fox sticker to message Sakura/Medusa and have her ruin the leyline as a distraction once MGS squad gets close enough to shank him, use the leyline destruction as a cover for pointy stick moment?
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>>4750855
If the spear disrupts his Nega skill enough we can then have Medea teleport us out, if not Truth Barrier, or see if Gil can give us a panic teleport out device from the Gate. I imagine just poking him won't be enough, he'll likely shit and cum and have to be then engaged on the surface, so Gil and Enkidu especially are up there waiting to step on snek.
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>>4750846
I'm afraid his sneezing won't just cause the roof to collapse, but the island to break in half and a chasm to swallow Fuyuki. I'm not exactly sure what we can do if we're actually there, but we'll be able to at least do something.

Sneaking around might not be impossible. Nobunaga was able to catch a glimpse at his ritual site. But I'm mostly counting on him wanting to gloat to our face, surprise him with pinpoint Cetus and take advantage of his sudden seething.

I certainly don't see why we'd leave Sakura and Medusa behind though.
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>>4750862
Enkidu can have a live clae map showing surface allies where we are as he can see through all but Bluff of Ozehama but Nobu will be with us anyway. Chiyome presents Nobu getting curseaids.

Using the live clae map Medusa can target Orochi safely when we give a signal, maybe a T-pose or something easy to see in case verbal comms don't work. Whatever updates fasteer really. Not sure how good clae's ping is. Could also let Medea look through our eyes with a spell? Hope buff might help snap her out of the willpower check she failed against Orochi before.
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>>4750863
They're not sneaky enough.

Is MGS mission a bad idea? Nothing about the shroud says it's PC should fade out when we stab him so unlike vanilla PC we remain stealthed upon attack. He won't know what hit him
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>>4750846
I agree, they're under a cavern and we have like 5 people with massive destructive capabilities "Mordred, Nobu, Enkidu, would you mind completely blasting shit into the ground until the cavern caves in?" what the fuck is Orochi gonna do now? It seems like a good idea
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>>4750863
Do you like fresh autism then?

We know Nobu was able to sneak in herself for a bit
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>>4750870
unga bunga or MGS

MGS might be more fun and still results in unga bunga fight afterwards
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>>4750875
MGS would put us at a disadvantage because the cavern could cave in on itself in the ensuing fight
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>>4750875
and MGS is good screen time for newly introduced allies who are from the same era. Takeda's head ninja and the head of Oda. They might have some good old days to banter about.
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>>4750867
We could have Ciel stay close with the Shroud and the Spear and wait for an opportunity for a sneak attack. Chiyome isn't here to prevent Nobu from getting curseaids, only us and Gilgamesh can do that.

I think splitting up is a bad idea here, especially since Orochi is expecting something. But I have nothing against having a loud visible party with a few stealthed allies.

>>4750875
Yeah, I think the unga bunga fight is a given a this point. Anything else would be too easy. We just have to figure out how to get there without losing Japan in the process.
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>>4750876
Full aria Truth barrier, teleport out methods via Gil, Medea, Rin if she wakes up. With claemap they can see exactly where we are and if we need help.

Enkidu can't be killed and he just leaves and returns.
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"Gilgamesh, could I ask if you'd be willing to use the Gate of Babylon to send everyone who was knocked unconscious by that curse back home to Rin's Mansion? I don't want to risk leaving them here, and I feel like we won't be able to risk leaving any of our combat strength behind. This God is likely beyond any of us individually."

"He's right, you know." Enkidu pipes from a distance in before Gilgamesh can get mad at the idea of being called weaker than something. "If we are to have a chance at victory against a Beast, we will need to use all of our power together." With that said, he goes back to breaking open a pathway to Orochi's secret lair.

"Fine, fine. Though make it quick, I don't appreciate allowing thieves access to my vaults, if only for the purpose of transportation." Gilgamesh glares at EMIYA as a large golden portal opens up. "There, it's connected to the girl's home. I don't appreciate allowing my treasury to be used for such a mundane thing, you ought to understand." The King of Heroes crosses his arms with an annoyed look on his face, before he walks over to the portal with Ayaka still in his arms and places her into it. You nod to Mordred, who quickly begins moving everyone through the portal with Lugh's help.

"Alítheia..." You walk over to the dragon, and keep a caring tone in your voice. "I'm going to need you to return to human form and go home now, this battle is... no place for a child, OK?" Alítheia growls softly at you before she starts to revert back to her human form. "Good girl."

As Alítheia takes her human form, you reach out to your mental link with Medea, there's some interference, and the telepathic connection itself seems to have some sort of static interference, but it seems that it's still at least somewhat functional. 'Medea?'

'Master! The connection is working now? I've been unable to contact you for a while now... Assassin wanted you to know that the mission was a complete success, and that Illyasviel is now resting in bed. She also mentioned something about sealing, but when I pressed her for details, she mentioned that she wanted to tell only you her full report.' Huh, the loyalty of a ninja, it seems. Not even telling the outcome of a plan to your own allies and considering the one that she serves above everything else. While it's nice that she's trying to be this loyal to you, you should probably tell her that she can trust most of your allies, at least.

'Excellent, you might notice that there's a build-up of people in the house somewhere, they were all knocked unconscious as the result of a curse, I want you to tell Chiyome to heal them all right away, at least of any lingering effects of the curse.' It's annoyingly unlikely that anybody will wake up immediately even with Chiyome's assistance, but with any luck, you'll at least be able to get Shiki back. 'You mentioned that Illyasviel has been saved, correct?'
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'I did, Master. I imagine you want Alcides and... Jason to rejoin you?' Medea quickly understands what you're getting at.

'That's right, I also want Chiyome to rejoin us the moment she is finished dealing with everyone's curses, as well as Aoko, if she's willing to assist, but only when everyone has woken up. I don't want them getting blindsided by his curses again.' Chiyome should be a lot of help in dealing with Orochi now, considering that she's been rendered immune to things such as curses, and seeing as Orochi seems to be very fond of such things, having her assistance will be... very much a requirement if you don't want everyone getting Cursed again. You don't really want everyone needing Gilgamesh to bail them out of being cursed again, after all, next time the King of Heroes may very well be indisposed and incapable of drawing forth the correct artifact to counter the curse of the god. Still, you'll have to wait until Chiyome can rejoin you.

'Very well, Master. I shall endeavor to carry out your requests.' Medea agrees to do as you ask, and all you can really do now is wait for things to finish happening, Alítheia returns to human form relatively quickly, before walking up to you. You kneel down and hug the girl tightly with one arm, patting her on the head with your free hand.

"Alítheia, you did great." You comfort your daughter as a moment, wanting her to know that it's not out of any shortcoming that you're sending her back, it's just... you don't want her to have to deal with an enemy as dreadful as the Beast possessing Zolgen Makiri is. Manaka might be a threat to the entire Multiverse or whatever, but when it comes to personal acts of evil, Zouken Matou has definitely wronged you far more than Manaka Sajyou has. Honestly, Manaka didn't even kill your allies when she had the opportunity, instead turning them into Pseudo-Servants and her own Servants, which have so far... not really been that difficult to save. Sure, you suppose that saving Medusa was somewhat of a challenge, but the rest were just... relatively simple, honestly.

"OK... You'll be back soon, won't you, Father?" The girl's vocabulary does seem to have improved at quite an alarming rate, but you suppose it's to be expected of somebody as exceptional as her. You can tell just from a single look at her that the girl is a born ruler of her own kind. Against her, only a Dragon on the level of a God would have a chance at disobeying her. Unfortunately though, Orochi is exactly that. You don't want to risk him managing to somehow use Alítheia against you either, you don't know how he might do it, but it's just something you can't bear to think about, and he's surprised you multiple times in the past already.
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>>4750879
Well Ciel could be the one to sneak down and shiv him then? If the cavern collapses we just dig her out. We can send Nobu and Chiyome too as guides? Both can be Cs'd out and as Servants they could always just assume spirit form and not take mundane area damage, correct?
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"Of course I will be, Alítheia." You pat the girl on the head, and lightly push her through the portal, not enough to force her movement, but enough for her to realize that you need her to go through the portal now. Hopefully, she'll be able to protect everyone left at the house.

As your daughter walks through the golden shimmering portal, two people walk out of it. Alcides and Jason have returned, it seems. "It's good to see you again, Shinji, I'm... sorry that I caused you a burden by not being able to take care of the goddess that took control of my Master myself." He sounds disgusted in himself at his failure, before he suddenly perks up a little. "But your new Assassin took care of things pretty well! Even managed to seal the bitch in a bottle apparently. Though she was being pretty precious about giving it to anybody except you. Something about an oath of a ninja." Alcides shrugs, not really that annoyed by the fact that Chiyome's loyalty to you might just be a little too great. He seems mostly pleased by how things have gone.

"Ho? Another Goddess was summoned?" Gilgamesh joins in on the conversation. "But for what purpose would a goddess have in interfering with a Holy Grail War by taking control of a Master?" The King of Heroes sounds genuinely interested in Alcides' revelation, and you look at Gilgamesh for a few moments, deciding whether or not you should tell him.

>Tell Gilgamesh that it was Ishtar, and she is now apparently sealed in a bottle.
>Deny knowledge of the identity of the goddess.
>Ask Gilgamesh if he wants revenge on Ishtar for what she did.
>Change the topic, ask Enkidu if he's almost finished excavating the entrance.
>Write-in...

AND

>Go down to Orochi's lair immediately when it has been excavated.
>Wait for the rest of your allies to arrive.
>Do something else instead of go down to Orochi's lair. (What?)
>Write-in...
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>>4750880
I highly doubt we have enough time to recite the aria as the cavern caves in, also we need like, oxygen
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>>4750886
So Nobu + Chiyome + Ciel then? Shame we don't have an extra shroud for SHIKI.

Guide + strong Anti-God muscle for the team with her new conceptual buff, Cursecondom for the stabsquad and can be CS'd to safety + she can verbally livestream the events to Shinji + an immortal would be be very inconvenienced by a sudden rockfall with the shroud and pointy stick.
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ok so i assume this is the last update so we have a whole 12 hours to come up with some sort of plan, i think we should tell Gil about Ishtar, he's gonna find out eventually, may as well tell him now instead of risk upsetting him later, i also think caving in the cavern is a smart idea, in HF, Saber Alter was gimped by the cavern and couldn't exactly spam Excalibur Morgan because she'd end up dying, i think that caving in the cavern will disrupt Orochi's ritual and force him out to deal with everyone
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>>4750884

>Tell Gilgamesh that it was Ishtar, and she is now apparently sealed in a bottleanf
Go down to Orochi's lair immediately when it has been excavated
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Best. Ninja. We're telling Gilgamesh about Ishtar-in-a-bottle, right?

>>4750883
I don't think we should split the party. Orochi is expecting us. He'll figure out something's wrong if the main force doesn't move in. I think the MGS squad will have a higher chance of success if we're there as distraction.

Another potential problem with the remote Cetus plan is that we don't know it'll actually work. If we're there, we can improvise. If we're not we're fucked.

>>4750886
Truth bubble should be instant and it should buy us the time for a full Aria. Rin might be able to get people out with 2nd Magic.
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>>4750888
Why do you think that this will work.
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>>4750888
Sneak squad synchronised with the cave in attempt?

Lets us get an initiative Longinus stab effect in on Orochi while he's suddenly distracted by the collapse so it's two in one. Cave in + leyline fuckup.
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>>4750891
The provisional plan isn't actually to cave in the cavern. It's to use Pandemonium Cetus with a low diameter to wreck the leylines with pinpoint accuracy and disrupt the ritual.
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Definitely tell Gil, I'd mention about her being a remnant curse infecting humanity that manifested when Enkidu appeared.

>>4750891
Cave-in plan btfo, Snake Eater is a go
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>>4750892
well i guess a simple cave in isn't enough so guess we gotta go in and disrupt the ritual as much as possible

>>4750893
yeah this is a good idea
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Offer Gil the bottle with Ishtar in exchange for letting us borrow Hades' cap of invisibility. That way Shinji, SHIKI etc. can also go to
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>Bring him Ayaka, the one girl he actually loves.
>Save his only friend Enkidu, and ensure he will never be a tool for anyone ever again.
>Hand him Ishtar in a bottle to do whatever he pleases with her.
Did any of you guys think we'd ever end us as Gilgamesh's buddy?
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>>4750893
It's very bold of you to assume that he's using the Leylines and hasn't just opened a direct line to the planet itself considering the power he has now.
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do we all go in or do we send only a few people?
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>>4750898
No. Ishtar becomes Illya's maid. This is non-negotiable.
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>>4750898
It can be used to hide multiple people, it's actually a large cloth.

>>4750900
So unga bunga up above has been relegated to just a distraction for MGS, got it
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>>4750900
See guys? Remote Cetus is no-go. We need to all go in.
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>>4750899
we're not buddies yet, we still kinda need to walk on eggshells with him

>>4750898
Yeah I think we should tell him we can offer both him and Enkidu a chance at sweet revenge against a goddess they both despise
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>>4750903
We offer to lend him Ishtar when he needs to vent so we can borrow Hades' cap then?
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>>4750908
As we have intent to use her as a maidservant for the girl she dared possess. I think Gil would approve.
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>>4750908
Yes, we certainly will offer to lend out her services. With respawning puppet bodies, to boot.
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>>4750903
I think we can convince him to go that route, Gil and Enkidu would probably just brutally murder her and be done with it, making her Illya's made forces a proud Goddess to serve a lowly mortal, it also makes sure that she can't comeback, the curse is still in place after all she might respawn
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>>4750891
is this the last update for today? I fel we need some time to autism a way out of this mess
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>>4750912
Yeah, i think its said somewhere in FGO that gilgamesh would just murder ishtar if rin wasnt there to make her bearable.
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>>4750914
Shishou can set Ishtar up with respawning puppet bodies. Gilgamesh can murder her as many times as he wants, as long as she plays maid for Illya in the meantime.
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>>4750913
Yes.
>>4750914
A lot of the Servants in FGO should very much be murdering each other but simply aren't because plot.
Like, you expect me to believe that Atalanta can be within 10 kilometers of somebody like Gilles with flipping out?
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So rough draft

>Tell Gil about Ishtar's lingering sentiment infecting Humanity like a curse, manifesting when the conditions of Enkidu and Gil reappearing together in the same era was fulfilled.

>She hijacked the body of a dear friend, so as punishment we're going to have her serve said friend as a maidservant. However, we're happy to lend her out to Gilgamesh when he pleases in exchange for letting us borrow Hades' cap of Invisibility to help us sneak into Orochi's lair and stab him with Longinus, disrupting the Ritual.

>Assuming we get the cap, I'm not sure why Gil would refuse this considering the circumstances, Shinji with the cap, , Ciel + Shroud + Longinus, Chiyome with her PC, Nobu with Bluff of Ozehama

+ someone else, judging by Prilya you can fit 3 children, so probably two adults. Remember if we bring someone else we lose our invisibility when we go to stab him as either we step out and leave the shroud to the other person, reveal both us and the extra, or send the ally out alone as a distraction.

Gil has to stay up top to keep the others safe from aids, Enkidu is digging into the cavern to let us in. He should be able to make a clay tracking him.

If Gil wants to be really generous we need a teleport out.

We could have Medea teleport to the group first too, and have Obetheion's Hope push her past the mental check so she can keep using her abilities. But that leaves the house without comms.

Enkidu could also hypothetically come with in a different form, maybe as power armour for Shinji if you wanna go full powergamer.
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>>4750917
Yeah, but with gilgamesh/enkidu with ishtar we get a reason.
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>>4750919
now that Alcides is here though, we can use Hydra Poison on Orochi, that will almost certainly disrupt the summoning, Hydra Poison will make him go mad from pain and he won't be able to think straight, thus, the ritual is fucked

>>4750914
>>4750916
Yeah I just looked i up, Ishtarin is bearable to Gilgamesh and he doesn't seem to want to kill her, Enkidu wants to throw things at her regardless

>>4750917
some of them flip out, Penthesilea flips out when she sees Achilles
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>>4750919
make a clay tracking thing*

>>4750921
I'm such a retard for ignoring Alcides. He's a stealthchad through and through. He should come with instead of SHIKI
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>>4750917
She flipped out when Jeanne put some child murderer souls to rest. She would nuke Gilles on sight.

>>4750919
I really think we should bring everyone together. Some invisible, some visible. Shinji should definitely be visible, grandpa is expecting us. A bluff works better when you're presenting a distraction as well.

Enkidu power armour leads to Gil chucking us off a buidling. Do not even think about it.
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>>4750921
So are you happy with that idea with Shinji + Alcides (cap), Ciel (shroud, longinus), Clae powerarmour (maybe) Best Ninja to cleanse aids, Nobu with sneak no jutsu

Alcides helps a ton as more anti god muscle, he can find a wife in Nobu too and also he can spawn distractions and familiars to run ahead and die via King's Order. All of Alcides familiars actually just respawn given enough time/mana, usually only a few hours.
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>>4750925
Would Gil wear Enkidu powerarmour then?

My only problem with bringing everyone is how do you avoid death by cavein?
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It's time for QM to slumber.
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>Write in
>Summon Niggerman to create a 200 page manifesto on the Final Solution to the Snake Question overnight.
The strongest Servant.

Where the fuck are jannies? Busy slaughtering brown kids in Middle East? What a joke.
And Merlin? Is he sucking his own dick because he's too butthurt about us?

GN anons, will vote tomorrow after reading 500+posts of autism.
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>>4750928

WhatIs, can you confirm if Alcides would tolerate using Hades' cap? He doesn't like Ares' sash, but considering his love of stealth and the prey infront of him.

It'll help the autism. Cheers for the big and plannable end of day update btw.
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>>4750926
no, wormpa is expecting Shinji so we can't go in invisible, plus the sight of us might distract him from the fact that there might be more enemies lurking by
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>>4750927
Truth and Enkidu should give us the few seconds we need to get everyone out. 2nd magic/GoB/CS Medea are our exit options.

I would recommend not suggesting Enkidu power armour even in jest. Let the poor clae play human.

>>4750928
I hope you enjoy our overnight autism tomorrow.

>>4750931
Grandpa has certainly seen our forces. He knows who our heave hitters are. If he doesn't see Alcides and Medusa with us, he'll suspect something's up. We should let the sneaking to the less powerful than them.
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>>4750931
Sure, you have enough affection points with him that he'll wear Hades' stupid hat.
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>>4750929
Maybe merlin was also trying to get to orochi but we came and nuked everything, the mud came and shit so he probably left.
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>>4750929
I'm unsupervised in wagecage atm so I'm doing this on the clock right now, actually financially compensated unlike QM and the jannies

So visible Shinji, Visible Medusa

WhatIs is gonna let him wear the hat, but he's a big guy [spoilerUUUU and if he's not visible it may cause problems, yes. WHat about Obeithion? She's another new trumpcard and Invisible buffslut is potentially very potent as he scans our appraises our strength at first and then all of a sudden everyone is +2 whole ranks higher.

>>4750938
Headpat Alcides
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>>4750938
If he does wear it I hope he sneeds about it just a little

>>4750945
I'm gonna just leave that spoilerfail there
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>>4750938
headpat
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>>4750929
>jannies
Can't respond to Orochi anymore.
Power of a True Ancestor, they aren't allowed.
Gaia says so.
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>>4750945
Yeah, Obeithion should definitely be one of those who wear the hat. Orochi can't possibly have known and planned about her. You said two adults, right? Who should be the other?

>>4750939
We're going to have a nice long conversation with the futamancer when this is over, he will explain himself, and we'll decide what to do to him.
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>>4750953
Jason maybe? Jaws of Death may prove useful. He's also effectively a buffslut for Alcides. He may also be able to summon up the Argo downstairs and spawn a literal boatload of extra support.
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>>4750956
Jason is one of the guys we're HOPING draws aggro. Turning him invisible defeats the purpose.

He needs an actual boat to summon the Argo here, I think.
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>>4750956
Maybe Enkidu? He knows of Gilgamesh, he shouldn't know of Enkidu though.

Trump cards go in the hat.

>>4750958
He successfully built the Argo, he should be able to invoke it now and resummon the crew when faced with an actual threat.

WhatIs, wanna chime in on how you're using Argo mechanics here?
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>>4750951
We should call gaia a idiot when we see her.
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>>4750951
So Gaia has more authority than Alaya?
What, is she screaming in impotent rage as Orochi does whatever the fuck he's doing, praying we bullshit a solution somehow?
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>>4750884
>Tell Gilgamesh that it was Ishtar, and she is now apparently sealed in a bottle.

Come on Gil let us give her Ego death via Ishtar Rin. You'll love it!

Only reason I'm telling him is I don't think we can get away with lying to him. As much as I want Ishtar Rin better not risk death.
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>>4750961
If he invokes the Argo's power, they'll be summoned on the Argo.
Which is at the docks.
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>>4750964
> Gaia has more authority than Alaya?
Gaia has some rules that you aren't allowed to break otherwise she'll throw a tantrum.
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>>4750961
Even if he can do that with the Argo, we shouldn't turn him invisible. He's a guy we can count on to live through whatever comes his way. We need him to draw attacks.

Maybe Lugh as second for the cap? He's here too, and he's as vulnerable as Arcueid was. Or maybe we should actually leave him behind because he's as vulnerable as Arcueid?

Our only other options here are SHIKI and Sakura. SHIKI has no use for the cap, but Sakura might.

>>4750975
Fucking rules-lawyers.
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Here now list:
>yourself, Nobunaga, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, SHIKI, Sakura, Medusa, Mordred, Ciel, Obeithion, Lugh, Alcides, Jason, Chiyome

Visible list:
>Gil, SHIKI, Medusa, Mordred, Alcides, Jason, Sakura - I was considering sneaking her but she may just nullify the cap and Orochi expects to see her.

Sneak list (self):
>Ciel, Nobu, Chiyome

Hat list:
>Obeithion, Enkidu (Maybe), Sakura (Maybe)

>>4750973
Thank. The ship holds the CS so they would have to manually travel over here, correct? They could all go meet up at the house in the meantime. In case of the absolute tragedy of Jason dying here I'd like to use the boat before he goes.

Should probably go home so he doesn't feed Orochi another powerup list:
>Lugh
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>>4750936
Shit, I just realised. Rin dropped. 2nd magic isn't an option for the getaway.
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>>4750975
why gaia likes to reee at humanity so much
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>>4750981
>Fucking rules-lawyers.
Don't hate the player.
Hate the game.
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>>4750984
Jason can't die. Not because I don't want him to, but because he physically can't.

List looks good. I'm torn on the hat. Grandpa won't expect Enkidu. He'll not find strange we left Sakura behind either. On one hand, Enkidu is absolutely safe from everything and doesn't need the hat for protection, but I'm somewhat anxious about leaving Sakura out of sight. Surprise Ribbons are an excellent Paracelsus-disabler though. I'm not sure what Enkidu can contribute from stealth.
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>>4750984
Oh, fuck, speedreading is for chumps. I did not consider Nullification, and yeah she probably can't wear the hat. Guess Obeithion and Enkidu are literally our only options. Those we just saved will be our trump cards. What can Enkidu even do from stealth though?
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>>4750992
>Jason can't die
He can basically he needs to be damaged without triggering his instinct do that enough times and he will eventually bleed out. Another option is to make him give up so he won't listen to his instinct and instead choose to die.
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>>4751005
>do that enough times and he will eventually bleed out
We're right there. We can truth heal him if he gets too cut up.

>choose to die
I somehow doubt that's gonna be a problem.
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>>4751005
Just drop a boat on him.
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>>4751005
we can tell him that we'll put in a good word for Medea so she doesn't brutally kill him and he can go mingle off and do his own thing after the war, i think that's good enough incentive for him not to give him
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yk if we get Jason to summon the Argonauts, he'd likely summon Asclepius, he can do his magic healer man stuff to wake everyone up including Illya
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>>4751000
Surprise chains while Orochi is Humanoid. Sakura should grab Para and if needed, maybe vote him. Problem is he's under the influence of cursepoison so I wanna avoid vore. I also like him and want him to survive if possible. He's reluctant here and may be able to reverse it at the end of the day.
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>>4751029
Which is why I want them summoned now and have Medea teleport over to them and bring them to the house so dr. Assclaps can cure everything.
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>>4751034
the chains might not be able to hold him forever but its definitely gonna hold him long enough for us to get worthwhile shots in, Hydra Venom will make him mindlessly rampage and make it so the ritual is interrupted, Lance of Longinus will do meaningful damage to him as its made to kill divine beings, Gil might also be able to spam anti immortal weaponry
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>>4751049
medusa in cunny form for speed and Harpe speedmogging him with Gorgons Cybele active.

Not sure if we should have Obeithion pre buff everyone right before engaging or ot should be a mid battle surprise double rank up when he thinks he's managing against the initial onslaught. Otherwise going 100% out of the gate might be good. He's delayed plenty, he will probably open with dialogue if given the chance. Orochi in legend is notably weak to deception.

Informing everyone of the kusanagi within him is also important as it's a potential win condition.

Chiyome + Sakura handholding a full aria Shinji ideally getting his hand on a bound snek for a truth 1v1 Shinji vs Orochi mental struggle showdown is probably the a likely outcome if not for fulfilling the Kusanagi prophecy.

It's a Kino spot to open a full RM as expanding it inside his mind might fuck him
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>>4751049
I wouldn't bet on being able to use venom on a snake god.
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>>4751049
And Alcides still has 1 true resurrection left in his King's Order if someone has to tank a sure kill curse or similar that has no alternative.

Tartarus Chains + double Enkidu. Drag Enkidu into Tartarus with him and he'll just escape lol. So Enkidu can bind with no regrets.

Orochi was defeated by a storm God and Zeus has also completed his own Chaoskampf so Zeus buffed Alcides is a very fitting option conceptually.
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>>4751089
Gil, Enkidu and maybe Alcides should maybe be forewarned we intend to have Enkidu dragged down into Tartarus because he can just escape.
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>>4751086
idk man, that venom is pretty fucking OP

>>4751085
Medusa can push her stats to the absolute max if her master has the magical energy for it and she does. I do agree though, this is the perfect kino moment for a Reality Marble, plus this is an extremely fucking stressful moment, its the best chance for a Reality Marble

>>4751089
I feel like Tartarus should be a last option sorta deal, we don't know if he drags Arc's power with him
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>>4751091
And Kingu in a scuffed broken rotten Enkidu held down Tiamat in Babylonia, this one is even stronger and at full strength.

He should not job here.
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>>4751093
It's a no other option option.

We can always have a delve into a Tartarus arc down the line to fight Titans and get the true resolution to Zolgen. Gil, Enkidu maybe Silver Key active Abby and Betty can come.
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We have to rely on Merlin/Waver here to keep the stuff in the forest engaged for this. No way around it, so we'll have to message Medea to have her port in some backup that isn't Divine to hold the entrance once they're cured. Lugh should stay up top and use his sensory abilities to keep guard of the entrance and rip and tear anything that tries to follow us down. We should also expect Orochi to CS summon all of his remaining servants to his aid inside the cave, to stall us further while he finishes the ritual. This is unavoidable as everyone is indisposed. If Merlin lets this happen I genuinely can't see how Shinji could forgive him.

Seeing as we don't know about the Argo being built in character yet, but we did know they were at the port, we should ask Jason if he made headway on the Argo under Ishtar's orders. He'll confirm it's completion, then we can tell him to activate his NP to summon up as much of his crew as he can muster. We then get Medea on the line and have her gather the crew and bring them to the house. Everyone who isn't Divine should be then sent to where we are to provide re-enforcements from behind. Unfortunately every single fucking crewmember is Divine so it'll be just Atalante coming over to help if she's even summoned, Theseus' dad is Poseidon, Castor/Pollux are Zeus', Caenis has simpseidon's Divine Core in Fate/, Asclepius is Apollo's son.

>>4750929

I hope this all helps. I'm going to be somewhat absent in the coming days for upwards of a month depending on whatever workload I get on placement
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>>4751163
It does.
I really want to bully castor and headpat him and his sister.
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>>4750884
>Tell Gil of Ishtar, say we want to force her to be a maid for the girl she possessed, however offer him access to her whenever he desires if we can borrow Hades' cap of invisibility to assist in the assault on the Orochi. He won't need it, a king such as him of all people shouldn't hide in the face of an enemy.

>Make preparations to immediately storm the cave once everyone is made aware of the plan.

The plan:

>Tell Lugh he is to stay here and guard the entrance from Orochi's servants pursuing the group.

>Ask Jason if while he was at the docks under Ishtar's command he made progress on the Argo, when he confirms he did, tell him to activate his NP if possible and then mentally contact Medea to teleport the Argonauts who arrived to the house to reinforce it, while sending Atalante if she arrives over here along with any other combat useful non-divines. If Assclap is summoned Chiyome is to come straight over to us as he has it sorted. Otherwise, wait until she's done and CS her in when we need her right before engaging Orochi so she can start under the effects of Presence Concealment.

>With the Cap of Hades, have Enkidu and Obeithion use it to cloak themselves once Enkidu has opened the cavern. When inside Enkidu is to use the stealth to get the jump on Orochi and chain him down, ideally containing him to human form for a time. Obeithion is to buff the team before engaging in combat herself.

>Have Ciel take the Shroud + Spear and cloak herself. She is to stab Orochi at any chance she gets while cloaked with the spear.

>Have Nobu activate Bluff of Okehazama as we enter the cave to mask her presence

>Medusa is to take her fastest, most agile form, equip Harpe as her main weapon and have Sakura feed her enough mana to utilise the Gorgon's strength + Cybele on Orochi at maximum while sealing away her Divinity entirely.

> Gil, Sakura, SHIKI, Shinji, Mordred, Jason and Alcides are to remain visible. The general plan of attack is to bind him in human form if this is possible, have Sakura bind but not vore or kill Para/any servants Orochi calls to his person just yet, Para may be able to reverse the ritual if given the chance. Gil + Enkidu double Enkidu bind Orochi.

On top of other reasons, Gil would probably be the least bothered by Enkidu and Obeithion using his treasures as saberfaces and Enkidu both give him a feeling so complicated.
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>>4751188
>>Medusa is to take her fastest, most agile form, equip Harpe as her main weapon and have Sakura feed her enough mana to utilise the Gorgon's strength + Cybele on Orochi at maximum while sealing away her Divinity entirely.
why? Why not just have her max out all her parameters just to be safe?
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>>4751198
why not both? Also, harpe is a immortal killer if i remember correctly.
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>>4751198

>Each form she takes has its own Parameters, Class Skills, and Personal Skills in addition to their own Noble Phantasms. This skill also allows Medusa to take one Personal Skill, Parameter or Noble Phantasm of her choice to use regardless of her current form.

>Finally, by using this skill to it's fullest extent and using a huge amount of magical energy, Medusa can use all of the abilities of her three forms at once. Class Skills are usually shared between forms, though thanks to this skill, unwanted Class Skills and Personal Skills can be sealed at will

I guess it'd be maximum output at all times then to fit the requirements.

Can Sakura handle this? She should be fine. She's only using ribbons if a target gets within her range so it's almost better Sakura appears like a helpless girl on the battlefield for a free ribbon dab on something

She wants cunnyform to be small and dodge better
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>>4751198
I did think it was implied though. Is there anything else wrong with things as they are?
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>>4751206
we should headpat meduse whe she goes loli, ana is adorable.
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>>4751209
I was trying to be concise but assume its there
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>>4751208
well you're kinda expecting a lot from Lugh to be on guard for some strong ass servants by his lonesome

>>4751206
Sakura has her Magical Energy at EX cause of Tiamat, that's not even getting to her high quality magic circuits, she'll be fine
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if this fucker tries to summon Jormungandr, we might be fucked.

It's supposed to be big enough to wrap around the whole realm of midgard, and I'll be it's even stronger than Orochi because of this.
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>>4750884
>Tell Gilgamesh that it was Ishtar, and she is now apparently sealed in a bottle.
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>>4751230
Jormungandr is going to look like a mere garden snake in comparison to what Orochi is actually planning.
Whatis mentioned that we should focus on the mythological roots of snakes, and looking back, I'm surprised that one type of creature was almost completely overlooked.
World Serpents
A World Serpent is the only thing I could see Orochi utilizing that could escalate the threat high enough to surpass the reality ending power of Manaka's apotheosis.
World Serpents are mythological creatures capable of devouring entire cosmologies, that are also integrated as a keystone of the World, hence why Orochi gained this massive threat potential once he gained possession of Arcueid's power as an elemental.
Orochi has the power to steal divine power through devouring gods, the summoning knowledge of Zolgen Makiri, the energy mastery of Paracelsus, and a direct connection with Gaia itself.
With these in hand, Orochi is now charging a massive mana capacitor connected to four summoning circles, which if I had to guess will be pulling Jormungandr, Apophis, Kesha, and Ouroboros.
He will then consume these serpents to become an incomprehensibly powerful being so strong that I doubt even Nyarlathotep would stand a chance against it.
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Can we use intel from Nobunaga and Enkidu to figure out where summoning circles and the crystal are and have Archers pelt it from extreme range to disrupt whatever it is wormpa is doing? Or would the risk of explosions be too large?
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Going with snake theme, it would pretty cool move by Orochi to try and turn entire World into his Reality Marble.
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>>4751286
Another idea - can we supercharge Medea to allow her to teleport a sphere of space where orochi should be off into space and apart from Planet? Although he’s likely going to have measures in place against this.

That aside, dragging him off into a RM should also interrupt any connection to Gaia he might have, right?
Do we have any point of reference to gauge how powerful he’s going to be once we drag him to Medusa’s place?

And throughout we need to make sure he doesn’t eat any more people...
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>>4751225
It's only temporary, they're not being micromanaged, Merlin/Waver's group are in the mix, Alter servants may respawn and join the clusterfuck too. Because of Orochi's curse fainting episode we're low on numbers and we just have to accept the risk. It's still a very powerful group. Because we can't wait for around for Chiyome to finish up healing the wounded we have to start the descent now and have her be CS'd in later, which means we need everyone around Gil for the curse nullification support. Otherwise I'd have Gil wait up top. Argo brings both another medic and Atalante who has strong AoE Anti Army Ranged Support. If you wanna micromanage further have Ciel tell Karna to provide covering fire to the area once we descend to offer area denial. Orochi will likely CS his servants back to him for the actual confrontation so we need numbers with us to handle those while the snekstep squad has as much restraint via chains etc. + power to actively engage and put Orochi himself down, potentially handle the summons he has yet to bring forth.
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>>4751188
I'd rather send Lugh back entirely than leave him here alone. We were counting on Shishou to contain his autism, and there really is no point to guarding the entrance when we don't plan to be walking out.

Everything else looks good.
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>>4751300
I'm fine with that, just didn't want to leave an unguarded exit so we got pincered at a crucial moment. We know Lugh can see through even A+ Presence Concealment so he could stop anything sneaking in outright.

Also with all this, retroactively the bait plan was never going to work. His goal is too large to be simping to a not-Justeaze anymore.
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>>4751302
It would work, it fits into Orochi's myth and Zolgen is madly in love with her
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>>4751286
That's why we demolished the castle, but we weren't counting on the ritual to be 3km down. Archers can't help us.

>>4751292
Having Medea tp an area won't work. Even if it's possible, she can bring stuff to her and she can send stuff away from her. She cannot tp from point A to point B without being there in person, and Orochi will seal her if she does.

Orochi fight is a good candidate for RM breakthrough kino moment, but it has to be the perfect moment.
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>>4751286
He's 3KM underground which kind of cucks that. WhatIs already scoffed at anything relating to just collapsing the cavern on top of him.

I can't find a good single concept word for Abby's Silver Key abilities.

Do we want her to be able to unlock or lock things on a conceptual level at all? Future autism of course.

>>4751306
His behaviour now if he's going full niche mythos summoning ritual quad snake dinner apotheosis is way too big brained for someone to simp to a doll full of aids. Unless conceptual weaknesses makes him drop everything to choose to be retarded I guess
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>>4751302
He might appreciate a snack while the ritual is taking place though. Can we still get the casters to put together a smug cursed simulacrum of us for him to eat? Although he may see through it, as long as he can’t use it against us it could still help.
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If we get close enough for Pandemonium Cetus to be used maybe we should just snipe Paracelsus with it?
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>>4751302
Yeah, but we won't be walking out. We don't actually care if we lose control of the entrance.

Bait plan would have worked after we disrupted his ritual. We just needed him to eat her. It just wouldn't be enough on its own.
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>>4751310
Paracelsus in every single update about him has been constantly painted as unwilling. Give him a breathing window and he WILL start reversing the ritual
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>>4751309
Betty asleep. Better forget the bait now. We can still manage.
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>>4751308
Dropping everything to choose to be retarded is the foremost specialty of eastern monsters.
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>>4751278
yeah that's what I'm worried about
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>>4751310
We want him alive. He's a master alchemist and master of elemental magic who wanted to bring magic to the masses. He'll weep from joy at our plans.
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So alterations to the plan so far including sending Lugh home entirely
Having Medusa stay in her fastest form but having her pumped to the max from the get go.
What else?
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What exactly Orochi is planning is less important than how to stop him. We know we're fucked if he succeeds anyway.
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And the plan is just to get us to Orochi, no point going further than basic fight goals being mentioned yet as its several updates away.

I already feel this is way too much for a single update to ask but otherwise we leave gaping holes and people start doing retard AI actions instead. We can also maybe have a prompt to ask for anyone else's ideas that might come in handy. We do have some very capable people with us.
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>>4751318
why don't we take Lugh with us? What's wrong with that?
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>>4751321
Snake food. Rather not give him another Elemental. Unless we have him with as as we know he'll draw aggro
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>>4751313
>>4751317
If it stops the ritual it is good enough.
And Paracelsus is creep anyway, not a big lose. He is almost as bad as Gilles.
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>>4751322
Enkidu is better for sensory ability or at least on par and isn't at risk of death.
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>>4751320
Talking is unfortunately not a free action though.

Unless we set up some hive mind, though that would likely be exploitable.
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>>4751325
Kinda why I initially just wanted to go in as a small stealth squad because its less grandiose and cringe but people didn't like the idea of not going at it full force
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>>4751318
Can't think of anything else.

>>4751320
Agreed about the plan and some basic tactics. The people around us shouldn't be micromanaged to avoid retarded AI actions, they're not retarded AIs. We can just trust them to do their thing on their own and be there ourselves for the big brain moves when that is inevitably not enough.
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>>4751323
Paracelsus is a bro and like the only populist mage other than Solomon, Manaka mind controlled him in Fragments to betray his principles.
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>>4751325
Do we instead communicate en route? We likely have a few mins of dialogue as Enkidu opens up the entrance. We do mental comms first due to the nearby interference likely getting worse on the way down. Argo can be skipped but then if Jason dies we lose the option as its specifically his NP that calls them forth. Unless you want to hope that the ship lingers after his death and Medea can hijack the summoning system it uses and bypass the need for Jason.
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>>4751323
That was after Manaka Altered him. Normal Para is a total bro.

>>4751326
Yeah, not going in at full force is why we couldn't stop him immediately. Let's not repeat the same mistake.
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>>4751329
Why skip the Argo? If nothing else, Asclpepius will protect team 2 from curses. We need Chiyome with us. We're not waiting for them to get here anyway.
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>>4751329
Stealth should be mentioned first to ensure its working, we do need to delegate who gets the shroud and Hades' hat. We also need to respond to Gil and get the hat first.

Medusa needs instructions for how she's to use her 3 faces in this situation because Sakura isn't a tactician.

Nobu is probably smart enough to not be told how to act unless she has a GUDAGUDA moment.

Does Lugh stay or go? If he stays he's at risk of being vored but he will draw aggro. If he goes home we need to have Medea teleport him or just let him run back, which might be smarter honestly she's busy.

How many people care about the Argo, because I do. heaps of characters are on the line if Jason dies and some are irreplaceable for their niche like Assclaps
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>>4751333
Lugh goes. He's a liability here on his own. I see absolutely no reason not to go for the Argo.
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>>4751331
I'm trying to cut it down so it's not a novel prompt for a single update. I just don't want to stall actually heading in any longer, and talking is a free action while walking so I wanted to have useful things to say/do on the way. 3km underground is still a few minutes unless Enkidu just opens the earth into some massive open structure, in which case Karna turns the hole into a nuclear pit with full power Brahmastra by technically targeting Paracelcius to avoid his curse that stops him using it on stronger foes.
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>>4751337
Who said anything about doing it all before we dive in? We can talk and walk. Or rather run.
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>>4751339
So are we sending it with minor adjustments?

I don't want to have to do a third revision that's also linked to the post because it makes it cancer to count votes and also risks splitting the vote because it's so awful to navigate though
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>>4751333
Argo would be good to have.

As for Lugh, I’m not sure how good he is at dodging orochi and being melee combatant puts him at risk. Would he benefit from Medusa’s bridle?
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>>4751341
Very based idea actually.

Harpe wielding cunnydusa on Lugh with Bellephron buffs + HOPE zooming around the cave walls.

Pegasus isn't much use in an enclosed space.
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>>4751340
Isn't it more difficult for the qm to have to hunt through the thread for adjustments?
Just make a third rev, all the Americans will vote for it when they wake up.
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>>4751340
I think a revision is required, we're not talking about just adding stuff to the plan. I can do it if you don't want to, just give me a few minutes.

>>4751341
If Arcueid got bitten, I don't see how Lugh can avoid it without someone smarter (Shishou) to contain his autism.
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So the tunnel is so reinforced nothing can collapse it? Not even if Gil takes out the real Caladbolg that broke a floating semi continent?
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>>4751347
We probably can collapse it. Orochi would protect his ritual ground though, and we lose our way in.
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>>4751343
I've only posted one write in so far, so the one we construct here will be that second one. Didn't want to have to go back and do it again after this is what I meant.

Opinions on >>4751342
for Lugh in this? Or should we use our own A+ riding for him but then he loses Bellephron. Thing is if Shinji+Lugh is caught by Orochi we die anyway so it helps prevent us getting speedmogged by Orochi.

Gil would obviously have an equivalent to Bellephron in his gate but I don't like asking for more than a hat because it's Gil and I really don't want to push our luck
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Gil prob has even Divine Constructs given he can fire Ig-Alima and has Hades shit. Ask him to take out Totsuka no Tsurugi that killed OG Orrochi.
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>>4751347
>>4751349
We could try to flood it with Sea of Life.
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>>4751347
I gave up on the idea of Caladbolg when EMIYA passed out, but of course there's always Gil. He has even stronger mountaincrushers though. Go look at some of the stuff from Prisma.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Ig-Alima
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>>4751353
People scoffed at that when I suggested it
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>>4751351
I'm just not sure what Lugh brings to the table that's worth the risk of Orochi munching another power up. Even if we're riding him, Orochi can take a bite without killing us.

>>4751352
Let's not micromanage Gil please. He can manage on his own.
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>>4751351
I don't think it'd be a good source of Harpe damage as Orochi would try to eat Lugh, but it'd be very good to have us ride him because Orochi is going to focus the hell out of us anyways and it makes us a lot more mobile without too much extra risk for Lugh because if we die all is lost anyways.
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>>4751355
I like the idea myself. Another idea that may be stupid be lemme say it. Truth manip off the Seals from Excalibur and use it in scuffed planet defense mode to nuke Orochi
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>>4751356
If Gil doesn't whip out some of this absurd shit he's back to being a jobkek.

>>4751360
Firing it underground risks damaging the planet physically though? Gaia will also cuck it's power to defend herself due to no NPs allowed to bust the planet clause she has. DBZ dilemma
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>>4751364
Can't Enkidu just hold the planet together and stitch it up? But fine.
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Can the people liking the sea of life tell me why? I can't be the only one who thinks using a Beast's world destroying ability to stop another beast from destroying the world will end in tears, can I?
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What about the sword that should still be lodged in the snek somewhere? Would retrieving that still work, or does his protection from divine armanents extend to it?

Pity we don't have Monica on hand to use power of magnets on it.
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>>4751359
That was my thinking but Sakurafren seems to think he'll just rip off a single wolf leg for a bit of a Cu style snack at some point. We can project a Truth bubble around us both though in a pinch. Riding A+ also gives retarded passive calculations to dodging etc because it's manoeuvring a mount
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>>4751369
That's part of the battle itself. If anyone ever gets a chance they rip out Kusanagi-no-tachi. Kojirou canon discussed it in a previous meeting. I'm sure these highly competent ancient heroes won't forget less than a few hours ago's discussions about this fight
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>>4751368
There is 0 reason Beast abilities would interact badly if its not paired Beasts. Avenger shit can work on other Avengers, Divine Spirits can conntest Authority(even if its obv who wins)
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>>4751369
We don't know, but it's always an option we can go for. We don't need a strict plan of action here, we need goals, general tactics and a toolbox around us to solve anything that comes up. Flexibility is good.
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My worry here is Sakura is emotionally fragile, this is the sauce of her trauma and she already tried to eat Enkidu before. Gil will put her down if she even looks at Enkidu funny in the mudvomit setup stage and she'll have to be channelling Tiamat for a while to fill a cavern 3km below
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>>4751375
I love accidental homophones sometimes
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Shinji mounts Lugh, have him take a smaller wolf form so that if we gets hit, we get hit and we're dying anyway.

Y/N to mounting Lugh if he lets us? If he says no he goes back to the house alone on foot.
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Something else to consider about the Lugh situation, is that Lugh is probably significantly faster than Orochi, who only has B+ agility, so we should be able to avoid Orochi's attacks with Riding A+.
>>4751370
Even if it does put Lugh at risk of attack, it's still significantly better than us going on foot.
Without Amethyst, we are by far the weakest link in terms of raw combat power and durability, and Orochi has every reason to focus on taking us down.
If we can negate this weakness with our Riding, our allies will be free to focus on fighting Orochi and stopping the summoning instead of protecting us.
>>4751378
Y
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>>4751378
Y.
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>>4751378
Ask Medusa to lend us Belle. You can borrow NPs if they give it to you with permission iirc.
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>>4751375
This is pretty much my opposition to the Sea plan.
Sakura isn't a Beast, she's a human channeling a Beast and as shown earlier, at her current level of skill she starts to have difficulty maintaining her own personality very quickly after releasing a seal.
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Also, I am not saying micro Gil...but does he have the Black Barrel if we need it?
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>>4751373
Not necessarily interact badly, but you really don't see anything going badly with unleashing a world ending biological weapon?

>>4751375
Sakura is the very opposite of being emotionally fragile, especially now. But yes channeling Tiamat for this long is obviously a bad idea when she got affected already. Not to mention leaving Orochi with a 3km deep pool of sea of life to play with, because it will certainly not kill him
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>>4751378
Y

>>4751375
yeah but Sakura is blindly loyal to us, especially after we recuperated her feelings
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>>4751378
I say N, but will support the plan regardless.
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>>4751387
he has a prototype of black barrel yes
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So pretty clear consensus to use Lugh as a mount. If Medusa can confer over Bellephron then even better, it helps his autism and we have her identical riding skill so there's no question about us being able to use it.

>>4751391
I value your input and want to know why to see if we can counteract your worries
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>>4751378
Y
>>4751384
this too
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If we're mounting Lugh, we're taking Sakura with us, right?
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>>4751395
She has no riding skill. She can shield herself in a veil of raperibbons so she's not a liability.

She potentially risks our don't get hit plan even though I also want her with us
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>>4751395
Medusa can be on hybrid Harpe harass and bleed and also defend Sakura duty, taking potshots where she can with her sanic speed. Unhealable chip damage builds up
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>>4751360
The only real downside I see with using Sea of Life is that Orochi could just seal himself inside after he realises that exactly coming his way.
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>>4751393
Because I don't want Orochi to munch a leg like he did with Arcueid. I acknowledge there are valid reasons for us to ride him, and I doubt there's anything we can do now to stop me from worrying about it. We'll just have to be on guard.
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>>4751398
We'll be driving. Why does it matter if she doesn't have Riding?
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>>4751403
A+ Riding + HOPE double parameter rank up + Bellephron buffs vs B+ Agility doesn't give you Hope that we should have no problems dodging?
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>>4751405
I swear there was a situation where Medusa had a passenger dismount so she could activate Bellephron
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>>4751406
Can Medusa just hand us Bellerophon just like that?

I hope, but I also worry.
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>>4751403
We'll be buffed to hell and Orochi has contractual Kaiju slowness, we'll be Zoomin'.
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>>4751408
I don't remember anything like that.
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Something else to consider is that Orochi only managed to attack Arc with a sneak attack from complete concealment, something he won't be able to replicate in the coming battle.
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Medusa also does double anti-trait damage to Orochi, based

>Sentiments for the Beyond: A+
An Anti-Mental Interference skill that allows Medusiana to overcome anything that might try to take control of her by recalling the four people that she cares for the most. So long as Medusiana doesn't forget their faces, she won't ever let herself fall. Also functions as a skill that causes Medusiana to do added damage against both Monsters and Men... with the exception of one man.

>>4751412
If no one has a valid reason for Sakura not also being mounted with us with evidence to show passengers also need riding skill to not inhibit the use of a mount then she should be with us on Lugh.

Sakura is also an Orochi target because he knows hurting her will hurt us so she'll also be drawing aggro. Meaning we're basically taunt bait this fight and we let everyone else shine. We offer such a delicious distraction with all 3 targets in one we also act as a bait enough that he might even get Longinus'd out of nowhere by Ciel, or nothinpersonelled by a maximum activation Tenka Fubu barrage.
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>>4751415
This is Subaru vs the White Whale all over again.
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>>4751414
He had total concealment by diving into the ground though. He can still do that.

>>4751415
Sakura being a priority target is why I want to keep her close, either on or off Lugh. Us playing bait will work nicely with the rest of the plan.

I still worry, but significantly less so with Belerophon + Sakura on Lugh.
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>>4751417
sorry sweetie Enkidu can see you
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>>4751417
The difference is we couldn't pinpoint where he was coming from, and didn't know enough of his sheet to determine his target, none of that is true with taunt + claedar
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And Obeithion is under no circumstances to be without Hades'cap on. She's effectively an elemental so she's also at risk of vore. The cap deletes you from the world so she'll be fine though
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>>4751421
Actually, fuck

>It does not obscure sound, smell, body temperature, or the wearer's tracks, so its usage is mostly situational.

Orochi is a snake. Obeithion needs to be guarded. I'm sure Gil will happily guard the saberface while she buffs him though
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Lugh is also immune to sneak moves because his senses are the World itself.
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So do we want to start compiling everything?

Just for this update, keep the autism rent free for future combat decisions once the battle itself starts.

So anything pertaining to early prep and role delegation.
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>>4751424
Yeah it's probably not a good idea to rely on that cap to fool Orochi in any capacity.
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>>4751430
So it'd pointless. Do we want to request any other niche trinkey of Gil's as a swapsies for Ishtar or just take Ishtar off the table entirely. We still tell him ofc and our plan for her as a maidslave though.
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>>4751424
Well, crap. I expected more from Hades's stupid hat.
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Hello thread.
You have a few hours before I can start writing.
Should I update in a new thread?
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>>4751430
Although it does keep his servants fooled, unless we assume their cursecontracts make them more snake like.

But Sumanai, Vrita and Vortigern are all reptillian so it's probably a complete wash anyway. Why is Hades' stuff so shit what a loser
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>>4751432
We could just offer it without asking something specific in return and up his affection points now so they can take a hit if we do request something specific later on.
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>>4751434
We'll see if we break 2k this thread, or did you just want to t-pose on /qtg/?
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>>4751434
Morning. Depends on how big the thread grows by the time you get back, but yeah, probably.
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>>4751436
Yeah, it's pretty fucking lame for being the progenitor for all invisibility shit.
The Presence Concealment skill is way better at hiding and our Holy Shroud is a strict upgrade compared to the original Cloth of Concealment.
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>>4751437
Maybe just propose he keeps our Obeithion safe in the fight as she's an elemental and likely to draw Orochi at risk of being eaten. It's not a big ask and he might just bravado do it for free anyway due to saberface
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>>4751441
Yep, good idea. He won't be against keeping an eye out for the fairy saberface at all.
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Untapped autism:

Can we have Alcides divvy out King's Order items for buffs? We know we have high enough affection for him to consider wearing the hat. Ares' sash is an incredible buff. We could put it on ourselves to make us even more delicious Orochi bait. Wouldn't risk it on Lugh he might turn into minifou with the RIPANDTEAR wargod sentiment in his head
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>>4751441
By the way, by "offer him Ishtar" we mean "offer him her temporary services as stress relief while she still mainly maids for Illya", right?
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>>4751433
>>4751440
>E rank
T-thanks Hades...
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>>4751434
More metagaming autism for you:

How many Orders can Alcides keep manifested simultaneously in your use of him? Seeing as he differs from canon who easily had multiple active at a time
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>>4751445
yes, rental onahole whore goddess
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>>4751444
>Wearing it greatly increases the user's Divinity
How does this interact with someone who is not already Divine?
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>>4751447
As many as his Master's magical energy supply can provide for.
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>>4751452
Essentially all of them then.

We really should have brought him with us when we first visited grandpa.
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>>4751452
That reminds me that despite having her entire body being optimized for magical energy production, Illya is still the weakest Master contributing energy to this fight.
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>>4751451
Blessed Circuits means we should be fine to channel it and we're immune to mental corrupt. Ares is a pretty cool dude in fate anyway.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Goddess_of_War

>>4751452
Said Master is a mana factory so neat.

Nemean Pelt is useless against Orochi himself, so Alcides may as well keep it. Alcides can choose to use his petting zoo however he sees fit, but if we can borrow the sash that would be nice. He barely uses it as he refuses to let Ares' power in so all it does is buff his arrows a bit.
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>>4751444
Thinking about it more, I'd rather let Alcides keep it for the extra damage. Buffing our personal attributes is not very important when we plan to be riding Lugh.
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>>4751460
>Divinity, Strength, Endurance, Agility, and Mana parameters.

Extra Mana for more Truth bullshit, in case he's taken control of the local mana reserves and auto regen is impossible. Agility to not die, Endurance to tank hits.

Alcides only uses it for a very reduced STR up for his arrows
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>>4751461
Alright, worth a shot then. I thought he got more use out of it than just a bit of extra damage.

I probably should read F/SF at some point.
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>>4751447
well the really good ones are kinda useless, Cerberus can be made divine but Orochi will probably eat him
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>>4751462
>it seethes with an abnormal amount of magical energy and possesses a divine aura thick enough to make it seem like a god itself had used it.

Makes us VERY delicious bait

In contrast
>While Alcides does make use of the sash, he only allows its energy to imbue and strengthen his weapons. Tine noted that he is actively preventing the energy from entering his body due to his hatred of the gods.
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Alright, another may-be-stupid plan since Enkidu can't die and can escape anything, can he plug up the hole into the planet so Orochi doesn't get to suck it and THEN have Medusa liquify stuff
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>>4751464
Holy fuck, the bait plan is still a go. We just turned ourselves into the bait.

Let's hope grandpa doesn't actually eat us.
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>>4751464
If we want to be bait, could we instead ride the Cerberus with Belle for an extra Lugh combatant running around? We have A+ Riding and maybe Belle.
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>>4751467
We don't know if it's a literal hole or a metaphysical one. Enkidu could probably act as plug if it's physical. We should keep it in mind when we get there and survey the situation. Medusa Cetusing won't really do anything though, we were counting on it busting the leylines.

>>4751472
Lugh without a Rider is just free snacks. I don't think Cerberus would be a better mount, but I will defer to those who actually know about him.
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>>4751475
The only thing I remember about Cerberus is from Case Files. What seems to be the (a?) Cerberus is in Spiritual Tomb Albion sleeping. Waver and co wander into it, and it opening its eyes and being about to look at them nearly destroys them, so much higher is its spiritual rank.

Artoria gets summoned, Gray powers up and unseals a bit of Rhongo, blasts Cerberus...and it shakes itself a bit like a dog getting wet and goes back to sleep. They survive by being ignored.
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Since we don't have Shiki, can we use Breaker Gorgon to kill Orochi? Seal him and us into Medusa's mental world and delete him there?
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>>4751472
>>4751475
>>4751477
Doge has bad affinity here. Even if we either Truth it Divinity or put the sash on it like a collar it's real potential is only unlocked with Divnity.

>. It manifests as an elephant-sized, three-headed dog upon which Alcides can easily ride. Each head has extremely sharp fangs and exhales poisonous breath, and the very air around it is thick with magical energy. It can follow instructions and act independently from him. It displays the ability to easily kill dozens of humans without being impeded, but easily falls to Jack the Ripper's From Hell. Under Alcides, it does not receive the "Blessings of Hades", so it cannot display its true power as a Divine Beast.
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>>4751458
Yeah, it makes you wonder what an actually combat trained Illya would even be like.
She should theoretically be capable of reinforcing herself.
And I mean actually combat trained, not just shooting magic blasts or wireframe stuff at people and hoping it works.
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>>4751479
Yeah, let's et the dog sleep.

>>4751478
Our options is to pile up the god killing damage until it takes, something like what you propose, truth fight him in his mind maybe, or stall and wait for reinforcements.
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>>4751479
Okay seems too weak compared to Lugh, its a shitty version of Cerb.

Should we have Nobu be in command due to Strategy? She should be supernaturally good at coordinating and using a strike team.
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>>4751481
Acht is an idiot, news at 11.

>>4751483
We are in command. She'll be invisible, and work to plug in any gaps that she sees.
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>>4751483
>Gil taking Orders

>Cucking Mo in a major battle

I think we let them do what they want rather than delegate a "leader" and cause drama. We basically say we're gonna be SPEEDBAIT while everyone does their thing with a few rules like avoiding killing servants if possible.
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>>4751483
Gilgamesh is only just about OK with following your requests as he's started to consider you a potential friend.
He's not going to appreciate a so called "Demon King" ordering him around at all.
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>>4751484
Imagine if we had time and could have Morgan graft Mordred's Instinct into Nobu for a field commander mode.

Otherwise...what else is there to do?
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>>4751486
Are you amused by the autism so far? Are we anywhere near the mark of what you expected to come back to?
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>>4751486
>spoiler
None of us saw this coming at the start of the quest, right?
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>>4751486
Ah shit I forgot about that for some reason(??).

Well, Gil should know what to do.
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>>4751487
>Imagine if we had time
Heh. Nice one.
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>>4751486
FUCK MY ISP
MY IP CHANGED AGAIN
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>4751489
There actually were a couple shitposts about it in thread 1.
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>>4751493
Its part of why I namefag. I have like 4 or 5 IDs in this thread alone.
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>>4751493
Good that you're making a new thread anyway, right?
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>>4751493
Please no bulli, your isp just wants to help you surpass the 5 thread limit.
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He must have had some formatting planned for the update.
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>>4751493
Five more threads.
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>>4751488
You've not really figured out Orochi's plan yet, but your own plan is looking fairly decent.
What would somebody need a Philosopher's Stone ceaselessly drawing an apparently endless amount of energy from the planet for?
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Another semi-retard plan if we fuck up somehow and Orochi ascends or whatever that I'm gonna throw out. Have Gil forcefeed Shirou an Elixir of Immortality and then have him Trace Slash Emperor.
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>>4751501
To make a new planet with snake wine and lamia hookers?
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>>4751501
Photonic Crystal like Para's sword can take control of phenomena it calculates and understands as per jacking NPs and Spells.

I guess he wants to calculate something and take control. Probably the Planet or the topmost Texture of the Human Order.
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>>4751501
Is he trying to start Age of Gods by pulling in Reverse Side? And Summons are eternal engines for this thing?
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>>4751503
mmm lamia hookers...
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>>4751504
Another thing may be that Para's sword which is made from it can simulate True Ether. Maybe he's trying to actually create a lot of actual True Ether instead of simulation using "dust of the star(planet)" to make it True?

Or he wants to use Grain, I dunno at this point.
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Someone collate all the polished autism for the write in I cba
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>>4751503
Hey, thats solid plan. I kind of like it.
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I guess he could be using Philospher's Stone, which based again on Para's sword, can instantly do Grand Rituals that usually takes assloads of time and circumstances to do...something.

Was I close with trying to use an Aylesbury type Ritual, that accesses the Soul of the Planet?
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Another thing to remember is that Nobunaga called the crystal "Small Castle" sized.
If it really is a Philosopher's Stone that large, then the magical energy contained within should actually be far greater than even the grail itself without a pathway to the Root open.
That's not even to mention the computing power.
Destablizing it unsafely probably won't end well for this hemisphere
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>>4751512
Giant candy for Sakura!
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>>4751509
Lamia hookers and snake wine for everyone.
Don't get in the way of my plan.
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>>4751514
wtf I love zouken now
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>>4751514
Sorry I ever doubted you, grandpa.
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>>4751512
I want Gil to give us Suzuka's swords and Para's sword and then jack it using Moon Cell level calculation. But Buddhist Enlightenment may not be good for us.

I don't know what else he could want that much computing for. We have
1) Instant Grand Rituals
2) Snatching the Texture or Soul of the Planet
3) Time travel
4) He wants something from an Adjacent/Parallel World

I guess he could be carrying out a version of Zolgen/Amakusa's plan of doing something to the souls of everyone? Except instead of "helping" he wants to control every soul.
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>>4751501
Personally, I don't particularly care about Orochi's plan. We know we're fuck if he finishes. We can ask Paracelsus after we kill grandpa.
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>>4751518
You know that's a fucking good question. Why the fuck is Paracelsus going along with it? Normally he probably wouldn't do it. Did Orochi soulfuck him or promise him the Root or something? Even Nobu broke away.
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>>4751517
He was cucked out of Independent Manifestation so he's probably doing something to ensure he gets the same result. He could have just loved someone rather than going to all this effort, what an autistic loser.
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>>4751517
Based on this, I guess Orochi could be trying to Genesis Lightyear back to the origin point of the Planet? Since he did absorb Barbatos iirc.
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>>4751519
Orochi is his dear friend.
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He knows of Barbados.

He could be trying to hack into and sit on Solomon's empty throne?
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>>4751522
"He is aware of Makiri as a pure and respectable person who should be a noble idealist, but if he ever saw Makiri at the time of the 21st Century, he would absolutely not recognize or acknowledge him as the same person." From GO mats
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>>4751508
Gochu senpai

>Tell Gil of Ishtar, say we want to force her to be a maid for the girl she possessed. Offer to lend him her services when he wants. Ask him to keep an eye out for Obeithion in the coming battle. Ask him to put the bottle in his vault when Chiyome brings it to us, we can't risk it breaking.

>Make preparations to immediately storm the cave once everyone is made aware of the plan.

The plan:

>Us and Sakura will ride Lugh into battle, using Medusa's Belerophon as well.
>Ask Alcides to lend us Ares's sash.

>Ask Jason if while he was at the docks under Ishtar's command he made progress on the Argo, when he confirms he did, tell him to activate his NP if possible and then mentally contact Medea to teleport the Argonauts who arrived to the house to reinforce it, while sending Atalante if she arrives over here along with any other combat useful non-divines. If Assclap is summoned Chiyome is to come straight over to us as he has it sorted. Otherwise, wait until she's done and CS her in when we need her right before engaging Orochi so she can start under the effects of Presence Concealment.

>Have Ciel take the Shroud + Spear and cloak herself. She is to stab Orochi at any chance she gets while cloaked with the spear.

>Have Nobu activate Bluff of Okehazama as we enter the cave to mask her presence

>Medusa is to take her fastest, most agile form, equip Harpe as her main weapon and have Sakura feed her enough mana to utilise the Gorgon's strength + Cybele on Orochi at maximum while sealing away her Divinity entirely.

> Gil, Sakura, SHIKI, Shinji, Mordred, Jason and Alcides are to remain visible. The general plan of attack is to bind him in human form if this is possible, have Sakura bind but not vore or kill Para/any servants Orochi calls to his person just yet, Para may be able to reverse the ritual if given the chance. Gil + Enkidu double Enkidu bind Orochi.

That should be all the autism we came up with. Am I missing anything?

>>4751519
Paracelsus can't defy him. Orochi has infinite command seals. We know he looked miserable while doing it. He will help us safely dismantle the ritual the moment he is free.
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>>4751519
Paracelsus is kept close to Orochi as an integral part of his plan, whereas Nobu is just fodder.
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>>4751526
Should we send Chiyome while we distract him, to remove all Curses and make him Curse him since Command Seals are also curses? If Para can hijack the giant ass Photonic Crystal, that should be integral.
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>>4750884
>>4751526
Seems good, +1
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>>4751528
Yes, CS buff her if needed for SPEEED

CS orders can be given through mental connection right?

That's a plan for the battle though so we probably won't put it in for this update
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>>4751525
Snake oil goes long way to win over person back!
>>4750884
Supporting >>4751526
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>>4751528
We should just have Chiyome follow us closely while invisible and be ready to cursebust. Specific uses for her are better decided when the situation arises.
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>>4751530
You can CS from anywhere, you just can't make sure the Servant knows you're about to use a CS iirc. The Servant doesn't need to hear it or know its happening, you basically "speak" to the "seal" not the Servant.
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>>4750884
Switching >>4751188

to

>>4751526
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>>4751530
>CS orders can be given through mental connection right?
Yep. One example, that's how Medea saved us from our daughter voring us.
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>>4750884
>>4751526
Supporting this.
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>>4751532
This is why I asked WhatIs about having her piggybacking on Shinji with active PC. He confirmed it works.

Giving her Riding would be hilarious as she could buff Shinji as her "mount" and also just suddenly detach and unload a plethora of Ninjutsu or Witchcraft techniques
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>>4751538
As long as she procs it before she's detected by the opponent it remains valid. If someone can see through it there's the "what the fuck are you doing" moment of stall too.
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>>4750884
Making >>4751526 my official vote

>>4751528
>If Para can hijack the giant ass Photonic Crystal, that should be integral.
One of the first moves in the fight, if not the first, should be to have Sakura grab Para with her ribbons and drag him to us so we can break his chain, contract him to her immediately, and have him start working to reverse it all.

>>4751538
That would be hilarious.
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>>4751540
I am still waiting for us to accidentally call the dude Assclap out loud.
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>>4751525
This is probably more to do with the fact that Old Zouken doesn't look anything like Young Zolgen and has a different name.
Also he's kind of really evil.
and senile.
Orochi doesn't suffer as many of these problems.
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>>4751541
That's Asclepius

>>4751540

If we do manage to get him we need Gil and Enkidu to give everything they've got to stall us the time we need to break his contract and keep him alive while he works.

Walls and walls of Shields, Teleporting around the room via GoB portals etc.
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>>4751542
I read "recognize or acknowledge" less as literally not recognize him, but going "no fucking way this evil fucker is the same guy nuh uh" and Orochi is probably doing more "evil" even if its much less personal, but more prone to just randomly taking out a continent or two.
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Completely unrelated autism, but saying senpai made something click:

The word to describe what Obeithion is to us might be Kouhai. We did not give her life like we did with Alitheia, so she is not our daughter. But we are still responsible for guiding her in this new life of hers as her senior.

She is also Saber's sister just as much as BB is Sakura's sister, but I've said that before.

>>4751541
Wait, Orochi is NOT kind of really evil?

>>4751544
Yep. Everyone should give it absolutely everything they have to buy us the 10 secs we need.
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All this talk about Riding reminds me of Elona, where you can ride any captured or bred npc and many humanoids are desirable mounts.
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>>4751542
Can you really call him evil if he wanted to prevent Apocrypha from happening?
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>>4751546
I do have something to bring up. We may not want to complete "nonexistence" him like we did Roa, if we even can, as I am not sure its a good idea to multiversally delete a part of Nature, and that may damage Shuten because she is basically his bunrei like Tamamo is Amaterasu.
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>>4751548
He couldn't have know. Darnic was also trying to steal his shit
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>>4751548
Is Darnic even still alive in this timeline?
I'll check, but honestly, if you is, you should go kill him.
Fuck Darnic.
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>>4751552
>If you is
Oh dear.
The Brainworms are getting me.
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>>4751549
Impotence
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>>4751552
Darnic is alive in non Apo timelines, he just doesn't make Yggdmillenia I think, so he's just a normal high level magus.
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>>4751552
He's in Argentina with big H
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>>4751549
Yeah, I agree. Killing should be enough. Ideally while keeping grandpa alive so we can gloat, but I'll take any win we get.
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One very minor but interesting accident of the Argo. Considering the threat, he'll get the whole crew.

He may accidentally summon Medea Lily as a separate existence which will enable some proper confronting her past moments with Medea after the war.
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>>4751554
I think the ideal would be something that enslaves him to us like "Servitude" or "Subordination", or something that renders him totally subservient to Alaya and makes him just a Law of Physics without a mind but keeping all his power. Make Orochi a jannie?
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>>4751555
One more thing to put in our calendar. He's next after we save Mashu and Kiara.
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>>4750884
>>4751526
+1
Sorry for not helping with the plan.

QM, would harpe cause good damage agaisnt Orochi?
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>>4751552
>"Congratulations, everyone! We won the War! Now, before we celebrate...Medea, I have a list of around hundred names of people nobody here every heard about but we are going to kill them right away."
Just how mad with love will Alaya go after hearing this?
>>4751557
Hellsing arc.
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>>4751559
I rather doubt we can havr two Medeas around. Manaka couldn't have a full second saber.

>>4751560
Hell no. Just kill him, we have absolutely no use for an Evil enslaved janny.
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>>4751562
Is mashu even alive in this timeline? It took romani to maintain her alive and even then she would have died at the end of part 1 regardless.
If chaldea was destroyed long ago she may not even exist.
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>>4751564
>Hellsing arc
Makes me want a Father Anderson servant.
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>>4751559
Caenis and Morded are going to get along swimmingly, that's an easy Neo-Rounds pick.

Atalante is our resident babysitter at the mansion while we're out exploring Dreamlands or Tartarus or something.

Theseus is a very nice dude in Fate. Asterios holds him no ill will and their parting was amicable.

Castor is for bullying.

Assclap has plenty of medical work to keep him busy.

OOOUUHHHH POLLOX EROTIC OUUUHH BELLY

>>4751560
I want the big snake to be small snake because it's a degrading form of inversion for him.
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>>4751564
They already think we're seeing visions of the future, and it's not even far from the Truth. They won't even bat an eye.
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>>4751565
You can have multiple instances of a Servant around, its just weird for them I imagine. Even disregarding just summoning more, in Servant Universe many thousands or more people are fused with versions and variants and instances of a given Servant, so there would be hundreds of Artoria-Humans running around, with different snapshots of possibilities and some being "Named" which is a different big deal.
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>>4751566
Moneybills probably grew her in his basement.
We'll adopt her and Olga together after dabbing on him.
We're a spookier alien than Olga could ever be anyway.
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>>4751568
I just want to erase orochi from our reality to be honest, seems more of a problem letting him even depowered.
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>>4751566
We don't know for sure, but the Chaldea timeline is all screwed up here. I bet moneybills is up to his old tricks even after losing his evil genius Antarctic base.
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>>4751572
Doing so deletes like half of Japan's geography as his corpse made the country after Susanoo hacked him up.
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>>4751570
The Servant Universe gives me the fucking creeps.
Let's see if we can use Orochi's big boy crystal to supercharge ourselves to beam it out of existence.
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>>4751571
I mean, she is 4 years old if the timeline is the same.
So, sure.
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>>4751576
Feed it to Sakura or have Gil throw it right up the back of GoB never to be seen again.
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>>4751567
We already have Father Anderson at home.
>>4751569
I am referring to the fact that we are doing more jannie work than all of her jannies and we are much better at it. And we are doing it for free.
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Why kill Orochi megapermanently?
Lets just turn him into a snek loli.
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>>4751576
>creeps
I find it fun to be honest.
>>4751574
well shit, fucking snake.
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>>4751580
>Apply upon Orchoi's Saint Graph the concept of:

>Cunny

Sphere time
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>>4751574
This. If you hate him that much lobotomize him by jamming him into Alaya's Laws of Physics.
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>>4751579
>at home
Ciel isnt voice by norio wakamoto.
it just isnt the same
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>>4751570
Guess we'll know soon.

>>4751579
Oh, right yeah. There's a reason we're her Beloved.
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>>4751582
that would be hilarious, loli snek is adorable.
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>>4751581
I actually like the serious parts of Servant Universe.
>>4751578
I want the crystal and Paraa. Maybe we can do a variant of Kirschtaria's Ascend Humanity plan without making everyone posthuman. Alaya was down with our higher dimensional humanity, so we can do a lesser variant imo. Makes sure AoG shit wont just RIP hiumanity.
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>>4751584
It's all text here, so you could just read all her lines in his voice if you wanted to.
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>>4751582
We must collect all the snakes.
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>>4751588
Convert the crystal into the AoG style mega leylines to reinfuse the planet with AoG level magic?

Like were present in LB5
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>The density of Mana on the planet is dependent on the age. Within the Age of Gods, the Mana density is such that a modern human will die when exposed to it without a specialized Mystic Code to block out the Mana.

Normies need to be boosted somehow
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>>4751591
I'd rather not trigger the NAoG just yet. Let's not get too greedy, we can have Para build a new one whenever we want.
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>>4751590
And dragons.
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>Philosopher's Stone is a giant computer
FUCK WHAT ARE WE DOING?
BB!
GET BB.
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>>4751592
Probably ask wodime how exactly his plan worked, it was a plan based on the greek age of gods, we have a age of gods greek witch.
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>>4751595
I actually just uhh'd out loud
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>>4751591
Thats kinda what I meant. Kirsch wanted to use his Fantasy Tree and a God inside it to ascend humanity spiritually, physically and mentally. Thhere are hints he succeeded, because Go protag's soul is growing or something.

We have no Tree or God, but we have cosmic assloads of Photonic Crystal, a direct hole into the planet and Paracelsus+lots of AoG Casters and Tama. Maybe we can convince Ama through her bunrei(not explicitly talking about it) and Para, by bringing back AoG quality Ether/power and Para by improving quality of life, not just power
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>>4751595
i don't trust BB with that firepower.
I don't want her deciding ot become a beast.
But maybe?
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>>4751595
Yeah, at least call BB if she can do anything if we bring her with.
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>>4751595
Yeah I don't think I trust her enough to give her access to a crystal supercomputer plugged into the planet.
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>>4751595
We are making our own Moon Cell now?
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BB is still Nyarly's jannie right now

then when she isn't, she's BB
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Which version of Atalante is stronger?
Also it says she can just switch forms by putting and taking the Pelt of Calydon on and off at will. That true?
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>>4751605
Yes, moreso if summoned by the Argo as it's not shoved into a premade class container by the grail

They're better for different things. Melee you want angery cat
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>>4751603
No, bro. We are making an Earth Cell. or a Makiri Cell
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>>4751605
Pelt turns her into a raging werewolf. Don't know if she can take it off.
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>>4751609
Just sex her.
That should tire her out enough to take it off.
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>>4751609
Alter is completely coherent in LB1, only seethes when furry kids are killed
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>>4751611
Do we want BB here or we dont trust her/cant un-depower her? To be clear.
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>>4751613
I don't trust BB with that and regardless she is still Alan's servant right now, i dont want alan or BB with a direct line to the world.
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Atalante is also really close friends with Medea. It's good for the wife to have some girl time that isn't related to scheming or relationship conflicts.

>>4751613
Risk/reward imbalance leans towards no. She'll also need to be protected as she's normal human tier squishy. Nyarly doesn't personally care about her so he won't just step in to save her in some kino anime moment catching a head and t posing on him.
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>>4751611
I want to go to an adjacent world and sneak ourselves and Sakura into Chaldea as Master Candidates to dab on all the singularities and Lostbelts.
Maybe also use Truth Healing in Singularity F to resurrect Olga from being a spooky ghost.

Fucking Babylonia can't even happen properly anymore thanks to Tiamat happily sleeping in Sakura's belly.
Goetia will seethe so hard.
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>>4751617
Did every Enkidu in every World get Liberation or just this one?
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>>4751611
I think I may prefer her in Apocrypha.

Still, we'll be her favorite person in history.
>Hey Atalante. Meet my three daughters. I just want to love them and help her be happy.
>Hey Atalante. A crazy moneybill is torturing a 4-year old girl for power. Want in?
>Hey Atalante. An insane sex cult is grooming a crippled girl. Want in?
>Hey Atalante. How about you go hunt all the world's groomers and discord mods? You can do whatever you want to those you catch. I'll build you as many orphanages as you want for the kids you save.
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>>4751613
I think we can trust BB to do her job but I don`t think she will be useful in the way things are going.
But even with Philosopher's Stone she will still be weaker than us and few of our allies.
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>>4751619
Every Enkidu.
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>>4751620
It depends how she was summoned actually. If summoned as Berserker she's a bit more mellow. If transfigured from Archer she's the angery cat from Apocrypha

>A rare existence who, while being Demon Beast-ified due to the Pelt of the Calydonian Boar and having her status elevated to equal an A-class Mad Enhancement, is capable of composed thinking. It's not a transformation left relying fully on rage, but since she is already in a beast-like state when summoned, the rank is lower compared to the time when it's used as a Noble Phantasm.
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>>4751620
We should also save jack, the girl just need good parents telling her to not do bad things.
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I still say we have Para break the stone safely. He can build us a new one when it's safe.
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Cause she's the only berserker I got in fgo, and I really like her. She carried me through a lot. Stopped playing before I got the free SR ticket to get Jets.
Also, she's the only of my fav servants to actually be on our team in the quest so far, since we shanked poor Jets and Diarmuid.
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>>4751617
>get all the way to London.
>dab on grampa.
>Solomon shows up to try and dab.
>"Sakura, release all restraints and activate the Tiamat protocol."
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>>4751624
i want to headpat her
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>>4751626
At least keep it somewhere and don't break it for 2 reasons. 1 is I think we may want to use it. 2) WhatIs said breaking it would take out a hemisphere of the Planet. Energy has to go somewhere, you cant break it safely imo.
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>>4751628
>activate the Tiamat protocol
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>>4751628
>He gets really angry and activates Nega Summon

>Denied by either Nullification and/or Independent Manifestation and Truth
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>>4751625
Throw in the book too.
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>>4751631
He said we shouldn't do it carelessly, not that we shouldn't do it at all. I think Para will be able to do it, and it'll be easier than securing it.
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>>4751633
This is real Tiamat not a Servant and Sea is not an NP but an authority Nega Summon doesnt do anything
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>>4751638
I wouldnt vote for it, but okay. Its a possibility maybe. Imagine what uber base we can make with it and Casters.
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>>4751633
Just eat Goetia.
Let's have Sakura eat the big PC too.
Imagine the powerup.
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>>4751640
That's what I was getting at ye, he can do absolutely nothing personally other than yeet beams of light and summon up demon gods and other jannies which Tiamat would just consume and override as her own
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>>4751644
>According to Corrupted Ushiwakamaru, this Noble Phantasm has enough power to destroy the Sea of Life and rival Tiamat.

But then Nullification GG
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>>4751644
>"NOOOOOO BEAST II YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KILL THE HUMANS"
>"haha sea of life go sploosh."
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>>4751641
There is no reason it has to be this specific one. Para can build us another. Generally breaking things is easier than taking them. Keep our eyes on the prize, and that prize is stopping Orochi. Greed is definitely not good here.
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>>4751644
Beams of light stronk. Each one is Excaliblast level and he has gigashittons. We dont want to die from collateral.
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>>4751646
Also, Tiamat can't die as long as there is one living thing, as they confirm her Authority as the root of the phylogenetic tree or something.
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>>4751649
Safety between Tiamat's cleavage.

He can't do the Mashu deletion beam yet as he's only on singularity 4 of charge up in this scenario and Truth blocks everything including breathable air so it should also no-sell the heat spill over Lord Camelot forgot to defend against
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>>4751651
I think it was more that mash forgot to block it, the NP should block whatever the user wants or something.
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Beast of Alaya & Beast II team up battle.
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>>4751652
>When Goetia charges it and focuses its energy into an attack, the beam is described as "a torrent of heat sufficient to penetrate through the planet." Even when Mash Kyrielight successfully blocks it using the spiritual protection of Lord Camelot, the sheer amount of heat is enough to completely evaporate her body through the shield.[8]

>Its strength is proportionate to the will power of the user, and it is said that "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble."[1]

Lord Camelot stops the attack, it doesn't cancel out residual stuff like heat as it's based on the walls of Camelot. Castle Walls hold but you still Take the damage
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>>4751653
I want to see Beast Shinji and Beast of Alaya sheets at some opint, even if its proooobably not a good thing.
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>>4751655
Beast Shinji likely just abuses the Mind Control to make a global harem. Beasts are meant to stunt Humanity's progress so if they're all bowing to him and going nowhere the worldline would get pruned.

Beasts have to be overcome so Humanity can keep moving forward
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>>4751654
She should have blocked both then.
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>>4751654
That's not really blocking the full attack though, unless superheated air capable of instantly evaporating Servants doesn't count as part of the attack.
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After all this time, I wanna have a conversation with Tiamat along with Sakura. For someone who is so recurrent in discussion, she hasn't said a single word.
Maybe she fell in love with Shinji because of Sakura.
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>>4751652
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH IT'S TOO HOT! MY BLOCKING ABILITY CAN'T BLOCK THIS HEAT FOR NO REASON!!
Now we know where Sweets got the idea for Alberich stripping when his armor got hot from something that shouldn't have affected him before a fight.
He must've loved FGO.
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>>4751656
Seduce the cut off Alaya so the wordline never gets Pruned, being an eternal ever growing drain on resources
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>>4751655
WhatIs already told us that he will reveal those sheets if we vote for them in the next Carnival.
I am more curious about Medusa-possessed Shinji or adult Alítheia.
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>>4751660
Let's impregnate both her and Sakura.
At the same time.
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Reading up Quetz's new buff just reminded me she could be summoned by Orochi here. She's a great Serpent.

He could eat her, then infuse his own abilities into her bacterium properties and claim the entire world population with a curse poison mind control bacteria that makes every single person a host for him, making him like Tiamat in that he can never die as he'll just regenerate from the fragment of DNA left in all life on Earth.

And that's just one of four slots if he's not doing some autistic ascension ritual and leaving that gay conceptual stuff to para while he vores gods for power.
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>>4751660
>AaaaaaaaaaAAAAa
>hmm yes
>aaAAAAAA?
>quite
>anything to add, Sakura?
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>>4751659
Blame Nasu wanting a reason to depower Fou and magic away Mashu's short lifespan then
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>>4751666
Orochi is trying to become Finè, God version?
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>>4751660
I hope so.
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>>4751664
The virgin Smaug.
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>>4751671
too small
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>>4751670
We are not blowing up Gil`s treasury.
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>>4751671
+Based
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>>4751670
Quetz + Birthday Ghost for dispersion + Jormungand for size and to envelop the planet to insta dispersion + flavouring.

>>4751671
Tiamat had character development? Why is her hair missing
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>>4751674
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>>4751666
oh god
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>>4751678
The more important question is why are her horns tiny?
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>>4751682
Horns and Hair are both keratin, it was part of the snip snip nisio moment
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>>4751666
Nooooooo
Save the tall mommy gf!
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>>4751683
That's not how horns work.
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When we finally meet Tiamat lets open up with a passionate kiss.
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>>4751687
I think she can feel it whenever we passionately kiss Sakura. We should do that more.
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>>4751690
I see your ploy, autist.
Tiamat deserves the love of a man.
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>>4751693
Love for Tiamat's host is practically the same as love for Tiamat.
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Which Servants are currently unaccounted for?
And how do we waifu Vrita?
Offer to let her eat Indra?
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>>4751694
That's definitely not true. Otherwise, do you consent to Kama pseudoing Sakura and then loving Kama? I'm down for it.
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>>4751695
Define unaccounted for.
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>>4751696
That's definitely not the same situation at all.
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>>4751699
Tiamat is hosted in Sakura, then loving Sakura=Loving Tiamat.

Kama takes over Sakura, Sakura is inside Tiamat=Kama is hosting Sakura=Loving Kama=Loving Sakura.

Transitive property.
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>>4751696
>Kama Pseduoing Sakura
She'd get eaten by Tiamat or nullified right?
>>4751694
Four way with Tiamat, Medusa and Sakura inside of Sakura when?
>>4751697
Ones we don't know
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>>4751695
Very smart Second Assassin sitting this one out.
Vrita will just have to simp to our dragon authority.
>>4751696
Kama is great.
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>>4751702
>She'd get eaten by Tiamat or nullified right?
Probably, but not sure? Kama has her thing where she slowly becomes the Universe when she's summoned and all her interaction is done through bunrei like Saber Astolfo's imaginary number cloning shit, where none of them and all of them is the real Kama.

Interaction depends on author I'd say. Kama can definitely give love and Beast over Tiamat but Tiamat is also completely unable to die and be subsumed by lifeforms, including Kama and could Chaos Tide her terminals imo.
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>>4751704
Sakura has an ultra-boosted Self-Seal.
Anyone summoned into her is getting cucked by that.
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We still don't know who taiga is master of
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>>4751704
>>4751707
We have human BB for Kama.
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>>4751707
Probably. But I could also read it as "Kama is locked inside Sakura, it becomes an endless back and forth between Sakura's inner seal and Nullifcation and Kama's 'I become the Universe' shit painting over her inner world of the heart back and forth."

Sakura+Tiamat can probably lock down and Chaos Tide Kama?
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>>4751708
Shirou was supposed to call her but we didn't talk to him since then.
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>>4751710
Making BB a Kama pseudo would be kino.
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>>4751702
>Ones we don't know
Orochi had Siegfried, Vortigern, Paracelsus, Vritra, Nero, Nobu and Chiyome. We know them all and we have stolen two already.

Merlin has Sasaki, probably Minamoto, probably Perseus and four unknowns.

There is also maybe a second assassin, or maybe not. I have had a theory that Betty took first assasin's slot, and Shuten was second assassin all along. No real evidence for or against it yet.

>>4751700
Your logic is foreign to me. I do not like it. The difference is that Tiamat is watching the world and living vicariously through Sakura's body, while Kama would have ego-deathed Sakura and piloted her meat sack. Not the same at all.

>>4751708
One of Merlin's, I think. Waver's group is 5 people. Her and Merlin make up seven. She didn't have command seals when last we saw her, so she can't have been one of the original masters.
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I really want to see tiamat herself.
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>>4751708
I say vote for an interlude of Taiga next time we can. I'm really curious about that.
Didn't people think it was an assassin?
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>>4751715
Pseudos don't quite ego-death, it's more of a fusion of both. How? Ghost Liners/It's a Miracle/Magic, Son. That's how Servant Universe is the "perfect fusion of past and present", it's a union of disparate elements in a mutually annihilative and exalting fashion.

Disclaimer: This only applies if the higher being, like a Heroic Spirit or Divine Spirit doesn't actively wash you away and puppet you like Ishtar tried to Illya or Fillia.

Really tho, Pseudos aren't that horrific if you don't run into a complete asshole to do it to you, imo, which is the same with running into an asshole HS or DS in general.
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>>4751711
If Kama doesn't play ball like Tiamat then I think Sakura will just digest her completely.
>>4751714
Would BB remain the dominant personality due to her ability to act as a high-servant?
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>>4751716
Agree with this Illya-anon.

>>4751715
Did we tell our allies of our speculation about who we're about to face? We should do so. Regarding Para and Vritra
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>>4751720
I think her High Servant stuff was actively stitching and modifying Saint Graphs, and less of an inherent property. Like how having a Self-Modification skill wouldn't protect you against being, I dunno, puppeted by Theos Kilronomia or something.
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>>4751719
Pseudos have been bad news since Angra and have remained bad news.
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>>4751719
Muramasa Shirou could make some bonkers stuff with everything we injected into UBWright now.

or while at the house have Assclap make Shirou scuffed immortal so he can tank tracing this with his Avalon connection

>The realisation of Muramasa's ideal sword, the sword is one that can purge resentment, cut through bonds, fate, causality, and destiny, and slice through the idea of karma itself. However, using it will cause him to perish because he is not a god.
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>>4751719
Fusion is not that much better. The original personality is still gone, even if the new dominant personality inherits some traits. Ishtarin is not Rin, and there is no Rin inside her. Kama is not Sakura, and there is no Sakura inside her. But there is a full Tiamat inside Sakura. The personalities exist independetly. It is not the same at all, and pseudos are still horrific.

>>4751721
We told them about Paracelsus, Siegfried and Nero, they were part of the first set. We told them about Vortigern when Mordred checked in. I don't think we told them about Vritra.
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We really should have shown Shirou Sul-sagana and Ig-Alima before too.

Gil has the real deal right now though so we should be alright
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>>4751725
Fusion is only ever OK if it's a 50/50 balance with nobody dominant over the other side.
Otherwise you may as well have eaten them and absorbed their mind.
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>>4751726
Didn't we download the wiki on him?
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>>4751720
If Tiamat didn't play ball Sakura would've been RIP. I know Sakura stronk etc, and we did give her OP Nullification, but I wouldn't bet on her against a Hindu God/Beast
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>>4751729
I think it was implied but never confirmed
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>>4751722
>Like how having a Self-Modification skill wouldn't protect you against being, I dunno, puppeted by Theos Kilronomia or something.
Ours might do so.
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>>4751728
Yeah, pretty much, but it also has to be voluntary on both ends for it to be remotely acceptable.
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>>4751730
Mara is also dangerous due to the deceiver concept. Gets one foot in the door and then Kama/Mara takes hold of the personality
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>>4751731
Didn't he almost Trace Slash Emperor? I think that pretty much confirms it.

I want to see Shirou's Dojo's moments at next Carnival
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>>4751731
i wonder how many time shirou melted himself and got a bad ending trying to trace some shit he cant.
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And besides in all worldlines where Arjuna doesn't just eat the whole pantheon Shiva and friends keep Mara in gay baby jail anyway because it's a demon king and they're not allowed to touch things because they're prone to breaking them
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>>4751737
>Slash Emperor
>Sword of Truth
At least two. I imagine he also did something stupid when he and Saber fought Ibaraki and Medea saved them. He probably died more times too.
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>>4751739
I wonder if he tried to trace EA if we really downloaded all the wiki.
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>>4751728
>>4751725
I guess I have a different perspective, as its not horrific to me, but I can kinda understand your viewpoint.

>>4751724
That sword is a recreation of Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi, I don't know if it would run headfirst into Orochi's Anti-Divine. Or do you mean use it for other stuff?

>>4751726
I think it was implied Shirou saw basically every sword we saw from Nasu, and what he listed were just the part of the interlude shown.
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>>4751737
>>4751739
Imagine super dead end where Shirou traced Heiligöffnungschwert and cursed himself.
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>>4751741
it's a good bonk weapon for strange conceptual creatures. I forgot Nega Deity actually cucked divine weapons too not just their wielders. Meaning Harpe will probably do nothing, the Sash probably can't impart any kind of boost at all but it will still act as bait.

How does Enkidu work then?

He's technically a weapon forged by the gods?

Not like we can do much else but try, its distractions for spear poke and likely an inner world fisticuffs match between Shinji and Zolgen at the end anyway
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>>4751742
>Heiligöffnungschwert
>google that name
>Awakening
How do you even say that name
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>>4751746
Heilig - Öffnung - Schwert / Heaven-Opening-Sword in German iirc. Probably google translate grade german.
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>>4751746
I'm pronounced MEDUSA I NEED TO USE THE THE BATHROOM PUSH ME AHHHHH
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And I am back.

>>4751728
>Otherwise you may as well have eaten them and absorbed their mind.
Pretty sure Melt does this through Melt Virus and it's treated as pretty much the most horrific thing that can happen to you in the Bad End she has in CCC.
But Pseudos are totally fine because reasons.

>>4751730
>but I wouldn't bet on her against a Hindu God/Beast
Sakura before getting Tiamat's power would've been able to have been overwhelmed by Kama/Mara after a struggle, but with the two of them working together, nothing can take control of her. barring perhaps actual Outer Gods
Tiamat really doesn't want somebody taking away her ability to live vicariously through Sakura, so she'd respond with her full power against anybody trying to do so.

>>4751742
>cursed himself
No Shirou! That sword makes you job!

>>4751741
>I think it was implied Shirou saw basically every sword we saw from Nasu, and what he listed were just the part of the interlude shown.
No need to speculate, I'll just reveal it now, It was...
>Every Noble Phantasm
>Everything that can class as a weapon
>Every unnamed weapon ever shown in a scene such as from Gate of Babylon or UBW
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>>4751744
Probably just have Medusa punch him with Gorgon Str theen.
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>>4751749
You guys are making me want to read that just to see the clusterfuck
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>>4751749
>Egomaniacal jobber gets house destroyed by bootleg Kiritsugu and then gets crippled too.
Kayneth Moment.
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>>4751751
>Tiamat really doesn't want somebody taking away her ability to live vicariously through Sakura, so she'd respond with her full power against anybody trying to do so.
What was she doing before exactly, that she'd be so desperate to keep being in Sakura?
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>>4751751
>>Every Noble Phantasm
>>Everything that can class as a weapon
>>Every unnamed weapon ever shown in a scene such as from Gate of Babylon or UBW
Jesus christ, we need to do the same with redman.
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>>4751759
Trapped outside of reality not being able to do anything for eternity.
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>>4751746
>>4751748
That`s not even the worst offender among his family
https://pastebin.com/qsKX4p5b
>Heldenhautrüstung
Although, super unpronounceable names have some charm to them
>>4751754
Do it. It can be a fun read.
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>>4751751
How many times has Shirou died trying to Trace something he shouldn't? I want to see his Dojos.

>>4751759
Floating eternally into a sea of nothing, cut-off from the world and the children she loved but couldn't interact with without hurting them
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>>4751752
It'll still have use lopping off limbs to disable his servants when they're eventually spawned in. turn them all into onaholes to be Truth healed later. She'll realise pretty quick it does nothing and change tactics this whole post is cope to not have to change the write in yet again
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>>4751759
She was in solitary confinement in Imaginary Number Space for thousands of years and knows she cant interact and love her children without killing/Chaos Tide-ing them.
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>>4751763
Oh.
Yeah that's pretty bad. Now I feel bad for her.
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As long as BB doesn't get a hairbrained scheme to mess with nylotep with the philosopher stone it should be fine with her hooked into it.
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>>4751766
Yeah. Living vicariously through Sakura is really the best possible outcome she could ever have hoped for. She still loves her children but can never personally interact with them.

Especially now that Sakura is a mom, and even more so when she has more children.
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>>4751763
>How many times has Shirou died trying to Trace something he shouldn't?
A few times.
If you want to see the dojos wait for the next Carnival.
>>4751762
>All-Seeing Perfect Book of Fate, Hitsuzen Rekishi:
>Rank B Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm. A book which records the entirety of an individual's fate, from beginning to end, in as much detail as Caster would like to read. It can only target one individual at once, however. Since its prediction of the future is perfectly accurate, it is also immutable, and thus Caster refrains from reading beyond the present.
This book is the most retarded thing I swear.
B-rank Anti-Unit with an EX-rank Anti-World effect!
For no reason!
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>>4751770
I can see tiamat saying to sakura
>breeeed
>breeeed with him
When all this shit ends.
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We made it to 2k posts for the flex so I'm gonna assume new thread for the next update?

Are you calling soon? People are gonna have to scrooooool quite a bit to find the autism bandwagon this time
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>>4751773
I'll call in twenty minutes.
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>>4751772
Why do you think she keeps increasing the booba and ass slider bar?
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>>4751772
>When all this shit ends.
Why are you assuming she's not constantly whispering this to her ear?
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>>4751771
That book would be cool if using it for future reading and getting major bonuses from results in summoning jannie after you.
You could make it something dumb like E++++-rank Anti-World.
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>>4751778
Prophecy book would require sweets to have actually planned several steps ahead rather than what started to feel like dartboard plot movements
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>>4751771
Its stupid because how HS/Servants interact with predestinatoin/universe of record style stuff shits on it and it shouldnt work in Nasuland. Luck/Force of Providence of Heroes go brrr
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>>4751779
No big deal.
He would always had an excuses why all of it went wrong.
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Also, check this out on why old magi shit on new ones from Case File mats..

"Though in the first place, magecraft passed down as of a familial lineage does not in such a manner make use of Thaumaturgical Foundations — instead established solely upon personal spell protocols —"

For reference Douman rendered his corpus and soul unto spell protocols somehow, and thats how he hate Gods without melting from reaching above his station for Authorities like hotwheels did.
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>>4751778
It was a very dumb book considering that it merely existing would IMMEDIATELY cause the timeline to be pruned due to causing a stagnant branch.
Then again, Sweets just did his own shit after a certain period and stopped paying attention to any and all lore.
Like how Ragnarok didn't happen at all.
Or how Luvia, who was born as a twin was given a sister 15 years younger than her.
Or Achilles.
>Achilles wasn't weak to Divine forged weapons.
>Bypassing his invulnerability means he can just put himself back together.
>Stabbing his heel just hurts him a very small amount and doesn't actually disable his immortality.

>>4751781
It was very stupid yes.

>>4751779
It really felt like things were just kind of happening after Not!Kiritsugu Solid Snake blew up a house that was full of Servants by just prodding the Bounded Fields once.
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>>4751783
Ate gods, not hate,
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>>4751787
>>4751783
>Hate gods
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As a haha funny, guess why Luvia is an Astrea pseudo. The Edelfelt Attribute is "Scales" and the Goddess of Justice is the a goddess of the Scales.
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>>4751790
your id is uwu
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>>4751781
>>4751786
I am not that keen on defending it but to be fair. It is not like all three of them were normal Servants or connected to the Throne at all. At least as I remember it.
And if anything Judas should have gotten Counter-Force`s attention right after he used his NP.
>Achilles
Alberich really should have taken Loli Hitler`s NP after that bullshit.
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New thread when?
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>>4751786
Other highlights include Saber getting continually defeated an blown off course by an Archer with a magic bag of wind despite having Invisible Air which can be used to form barriers of wind around things.
These things all came up in the quest as "Why did that happen" too.

>>4751794
Yeah but still the big problem wasn't with it being predestination.
It's that something with an effect that effectively controls the actions of the entire world was a B-rank Anti-Unit.

>Alberich really should have taken Loli Hitler`s NP after that bullshit.
Absolutely.
>"Oh no, if you wanted to defeat him yourself, you should have created a poison."
Because when you have a lightsaber that cuts anything, poison is the first thing you think of using to defeat an enemy.
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>>4751797
Shit, I just realised. We should have added
>Headpat Chiyome when she brings us the bottle. Tell her we're proud of her.
Will you accept a late addition, WhatIs?
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>>4751797
Also Shirou should have been able to just use Harpe on Achilles at any time.
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>>4751794
>I am not that keen on defending it but to be fair. It is not like all three of them were normal Servants or connected to the Throne at all. At least as I remember it.
On the second thought it is rather hilarious to imagine that summoning his Judas would result in another fake grail war outside of the world with mass sacrifices from across the globe and it would all took place in just one second. With a result of random donut steel Servants each time.
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>>4751799
If it gets enough support, sure.
I'm just about to start writing.
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>>4751799
>>4751803
>Headpat Chiyome when she brings us the bottle. Tell her we're proud of her.
Yes, please this. She worked really hard for it.
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>>4751799
Then I'll support the addition.
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>>4751802
What if somebody summoned another Judas in the Akeldama Grail War?
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>>4751809
I think I suggested copying it during Awakening at least once.
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>>4751809
>using less than forty cards may be necessary.
lmao
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>>4751809
>Banned not because it was strong, but because it was so annoying to play against.
M:tG had some fun cards for sure.
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>>4751815
Pretty sure with a few combos you could basically just cast it an infinite amount of times.
Sending the game into an infinite inception loop
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Maybe after fifth extra war Alberich would have been able to defeat his opponents normally.
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>>4751816
Can't you do it just by having 2 copies and deck searchers+graveyard fishing? It's not infinite inception but you can just use it again and again each time the other guy thinks its finally over.
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>>4751820
How about a new game starting every turn?
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>>4751822
Just win in one turn.
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>>4751799
Support
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>>4751824
>Just win in one turn
Wrong card for that, bro.
I had so much fun with this deck once upon a time.
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some progress on our lad
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>>4751841
Why is he a white haired muzzie
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>>4751841
Looking good!
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>>4751841
Is this the rumored Shinji Blanco?
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Oh lord this update is going to be huge.
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>>4751849
Then get working slave!
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>>4751846
Do you mean Bianco as in white or am I brainrotting again?
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>>4751851
Gohan Blanco you retard
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>>4751849
The good kind of huge, I hope. Not the "everything went wrong, oh shit" kind.

And if I may make a request, could we maybe get some more interludes at some point? I'd like to see Waver's group, I'd like to see our King's battle, and I'd even like to see the Satsuki PoV of Illya getting bodyjacked.
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>>4751849
Good.
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Hey rinfags. Look at this from El Melloi Adventures.

"Waver finally questions why Rin's pirate crew is made only of children, and Rin answers that she just found a large group of orphans and felt like she had to take responsibility for them, because since they shoved themselves into her line of sight, they're now part of her world"
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>>4751853
>could we maybe get some more interludes at some point
I am still very curious how second briefing went. Preferably from Ciel`s perspective.
>>4751856
>Rin has her own child soldier mercenary company
Cool.
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>>4751851
The Gohan Blanco meme.
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Adventures also gives some info on Atlas. There are "Sx Source" that are the 6 families that make up Atlas. Each one uses their body as an analytic engine itself, but with different methods. Eltnam's use their nervous system+Etherlite as an artifcial extension nerves to hijack people and drain their skills too. Another uses externalized bones and shit, presumably other families use other body parts.
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>>4751849
Excellent
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>>4751865
I'm still mad the twist wasn't Padre grande
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>>4751867
I am still hoping we get to a chance to learn Memory Partition and Thought Acceleration.
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Is shinji getting sun kissed skin because tamamo kissed him?
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Something I realized
>White haired
>can recover from injuries that would kill most normal people
>obsessed with gaining power
>regularly got punked by his brother
>a sword that can cut through anything including dimensions
>jobs because he can never hit anything with it when it actually matters
>Two versions of him running around, the one with all his power manages to get outwitted by a human version of himself
In hindsight, if Sweets based Al on a samurai instead of a knight half his shit could've ended up being called a gay larp.
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>>4751883
Holy shit.
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>>4751883
>>4751891
Are we taking Enhance on the ride too, now?
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>>4751883
I genuinely think that Awakening would've been a better story if it followed the powerless Rushorou who inherited the memories of the copy.
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>>4751901
back to writing wagey
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>>4751901
However that might've turned out at the very least it could've given an opportunity toy with the line "There's no rule saying a fake can't surpass an original" when the faker is the original.
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>>4751916
It also would've still fit with title, as it would've been the Awakening (Memory Transfer) of the first protagonist's Mirror image.
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>>4751901
>>4751916
>>4751921
>Yumigawa, Matsuda and Ogawara would have to face their gone-mad-with-power twisted reflections
>Circe finds Yumigawa on the first day but he only have just enough to help her keep going
>Shirou, Sakura and Medusa would have an actual place in the story as mentor characters
>They are on the timer as Alberich hunts for Servants to consume
>At some point Odysseus end up doing Sumanai to buff Yumigawa to a Servant level with a help of Circe to stop Alberich
>Final fight is Archer Yumigawa vs Saber Alberich at the Einzbern skyscraper and rest of the team are fighting Odin
I hate it because it is looks good.
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>>4751927
>Archer Yumigawa
Even if managed to drop the ball at some point, becoming your own antithesis to defeat yourself as the final boss just sounds based.
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I remembered something pretty autistic but I feel the need to share it.

The gag where Artoria's ahoge being taken off turns her Alter is kinda serious canon.

According to HA, when, as in Arthurian Mythos, King Rience went around making british kings kneel and taking their beards as symbols of his victory, Saber obviously didn't have a beard, so Rience wanted to take the hair sticking out. Supposedly from that battle onward, a shitton of her enemies taunted her about the hair and wanted to take it as a symbol, and that somehow meant that she internalized that it represented the honour of the KotR and it if she loses it she would be assmad.

This is random autism I remembered and looked up. Nasuland jokes are very often canon for reasons.
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>>4751927
Also, Circe wouldn't turn Yumigawa's parents into birds for no reason.
Honestly, there's just so much fun you could've had with Circe not going full evil.
>Circe setting herself up as a new exchange student at the school so she can be near Yumigawa without needing to use spirit form.
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>>4751935
>Honestly, there's just so much fun you could've had with Circe not going full evil.
Imagine the timeline where Circe won the Yumigawabowl and Odysseus merged with Yumigawa to win the final fight; 2000+ years and she finally ended up with 'Odysseus'.
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>>4751931
>>4751935
>>4751943
>Alberich having point of no return by doing Night of the Long Knives on Loli Hitler
>Ayaka gets mindcontroled by not!Illya during their meeting to make sure Alberich getting all the power ups
>Alberich summons powerless Hecate just to brag in Circe`s face about her betraying him
>Alberich going for useless vanity upgrades and doing all those JoJo villain monologues that were posted in threads
>Saber gets Altered and snaps out of it during final fight with a help of Hecate
>If Saber survives she gets a chance for proper conclusion with Emiya family
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update when?
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>>4751985
When the new thread pops into existence
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Update?
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>>4752006
soon
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>>4752009
Lies
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>>4752015
Soon.
It's 3000 words long right now.
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>>4752018
>3000 words long
Holy crap, and its all for free?! Paid authors can eat their heart out.
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>>4752023
I want to learn
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>>4752039
Doge
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>>4752018
what are shinji's preferred colors for his /fa/?
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Maybe we should send assassin ahead to look for traps/curses while we walk in. See if she can disrupt the ritual while Orochi focuses on us and/or knock out caster.

We could also aim out attacks at the crystal/ritual to force Orochi on the defensive.
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>>4752048
Gray and blue, generally.
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>>4752051
We get cursefucked if Chiyome's not around. We can't be counting on Gilgamesh to bail us out all the time.

Ritual disruption with no plan MAY result in half the world blowing up.

I think our best option is to have Sakura bag and tag Paracelsus, yell at everyone else to buy us the few seconds we need to break his chains (no gods no masters) and then ask him how to stop the ritual fast and safely.
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>>4752061
Here it is!



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