The Grail War continues, and you've been transported to a fortress outside of regular reality that Yamata-no-Orochi is planning to use to achieve a true form of godhood.You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.Archive of Paradox Reincarnator: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Fate/Paradox%20ReincarnatorGeneral QM Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQMStatus Menu: https://pastebin.com/AcNswEHqShinji Status Page: https://pastebin.com/a6fiNxrZMy Twitter: https://twitter.com/WhatIsAQMLast Thread: >>4752061
"Alright, Suzuka, don't be alarmed by what I'm about to do!" You run a little bit faster in order to properly match pace with the running Saber, who turns her head back to face you for a moment, the white flames pursuing you reflecting off her large light hazel eyes. There's a very small amount of fear in her eyes as she looks at the flames, and you know exactly the reason why. These flames aren't the sort of flames that simple Magic Resistance could protect somebody from, these flames are infused with the Authority of Divinity, and as such, would unfailingly burn anything that they touched, such qualities like incombustible or even heatproof doesn't apply to such flames, and all in the path of the flame would be consumed and burned into oblivion in a few instants. Is this the level of elemental power that ELIXIR and Orochi have already managed to acquire? "What are you planning Mast--Eh?!" Suzuka doesn't get to finish her sentence as you dip down a little in order to place one of you arms around her legs and use her own momentum against her in order to force her off of the floor and into your grip. You quickly use your other arm to catch her and continue running forwards, almost completely unimpeded from picking up the Saber. "Master, not that I can't say I don't like... enjoy a forceful partner, but what are you doing?! I'm faster than you are, so it should be me carrying you, you know?!" Suzuka is panicking slightly as you carry her in your arms, but you manage to mollify her slightly with a confident smile, which shuts her up pretty quick."Vritra, keep running, and do not be surprised by what exactly I'm about to do." You really hope this works out for the best, while Suzuka might have a higher agility parameter than Vritra does, the truth of things is that the Dragon Woman is much much taller than Suzuka is, for every pace she takes, she may as well be going an extra fifty percent more distance than Suzuka is. Then there's taking into account Vritra's literally unlimited supply of Magical Energy and her Mana Burst skill, she could easily surpass even Suzuka in pure speed. In fact, with her Mana Burst being abused to its fullest degree, she could likely even outspeed Servants with Speed ranked A++, at least in a straight line.
You slow down just a little, just enough for Vritra to start getting in front of you, Vritra is clearly concerned by what exactly you're planning on doing here, but she doesn't really stop or slow down, she seems to trust whatever it is that you're doing. Suzuka is still staring up into your eyes dreamily for some reason, though she tries to avert her eyes when you look down at the Servant in your arms that has gone almost entirely limp, you wonder what she's thinking right now. When you're just about completely behind Vritra, you bring out as much speed as you can from your body and leap forwards, straight onto Vritra's back. The imposingly tall and incredibly strong woman doesn't even flinch as you collide with her back, wrapping your legs around her and locking them in place just underneath two very soft... mounds. You time the leap perfectly, and you lean against Vritra's back somewhat, leaning slightly on Suzuka, who is still in your arms. "What exactly are you doing back there, my sweet?" The Dragon woman picks up the pace a little bit, and immediately starts running far faster. "I hope you're not thinking of trying to ride a Dragon." Vritra starts to laugh as she runs faster, beginning to outpace the flames. "You know that most fools who try to ride on the back of a dragon end up dead... Or eaten." There's the tiniest amount of menace in her voice as she says that, though it sounds more like a teasing form of menace, if such a thing exists. Well, you don't actually think that Vritra really means her teasing threats at this point. She's making far too many of them to actually be serious about following through with them."Oh, that's exactly what I'm doing." You smugly smirk, though you're pretty sure that Suzuka is the only person that can see your expression now. "You can try to shake me off if you want, but I've been blessed by a Queen of Dragons, meaning that I can very much ride you!" You don't know why you take so much satisfaction in saying that to Vritra. "So, go as fast as you can! Use your Mana Burst, draw on the absolute limits of your speed! Get us out of the way of this flame! Just don't destroy the tunnel!" Vritra is easily one of the most powerful Servants you know right now, her eternal nature and effectively infinite magical energy mean that she's just... completely busted. Capable of manifesting an effectively unlimited amount of Vajra that pierce through any armor and always strike their mark.
"Oh, you can truly ride me...? Hmmph, you just keep getting more and more interesting, my sweet... rider." The dragon woman keeps racing through the tunnel. The g-force being generated by her using her Mana Burst on every pace, propelling herself like a jet's after burner on every single step. This would be enough to liquidate the organs of a normal human in less than half a second, and even you, if you weren't wearing Ares' Sash. Of course, with the speed you're moving at you ended up eventually deciding the best way to wear it was around your neck like a long scarf. Wearing it like a mantle that wasn't actually bound to you by anything risked the Noble Phantasm just fluttering off and into the flames. No, you need it to very much be secured to you, and you also sort of like the aesthetic of the long scarf.With her great speed, it doesn't take long for Vritra to reach the end of the tunnel , an overflow chamber. She leaps a great distance to land in the very center of the chamber, and you look behind you to see the flame blast out of the tunnel, and instead of flooding into the room, the white hot fire instead flows into the center of the room, an invisible void consuming the flame utterly... no. It's not consuming it...! It's... compressing it! The white hot flame continues to flow into the center of the overflow chamber, the hyper-compressed orb of flame keeps growing, like a miniature sun! No... like a... Neutron Star?! You can feel gravity start to shift towards the center of the room! If the mass and energy of this burning object continues to increase, then not only will escape be impossible due to the gravity, but the entire room will be flooded with so much heat that even a Servant would be reduced to ash just from being inside it for an instant! You have about ten seconds before the heat becomes so great that even the Sash of Ares won't be sufficient protection, and Suzuka will also be turned to ash. Vritra will be able to survive, but even she would likely be reduced to a state of continually resurrecting and being incinerated until the overflow of heat disappears!>Keep running! To the next chamber!>Damn it, get to the Central Chamber! You can't keep running around like a cornered rat!>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!>Protect yourself and your allies with a barrier of Truth until the heat passes!>Try to destroy the energy. (How?)>Write-in...
>>4758459Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!
I think its either attempting to delete/burn/Sword of Truth it out of existence, or something weorder.Can we try adding Holy infused Truth fire with the truth'd concept of infecting fire into it? Make it all Holy and then just face tank it and protect our allies? First impressions?
>>4758471Rather, shoot fire that burns fire for fuel then shield ourself so the fuel--air (fire-fire) explosion doesnt kill us. We cant shut out gravity so the Neutron Star would kill us...or we can shut it out, but not for long iirc.
Time to head into the central chamber? We have everything we need and Suzuka knows the plan. I don't see what we gain by delaying.
>>4758476Thats also true, we dont need to concept imbue her, you think? Or do it while Riding?
Worst Girl poll soon?Also, does anybody have any ideas for other polls?Worst Girl poll will be a little different.It won't contain all the girls and will be a single vote only poll.So if you have a girl you'd like to vote as worse girl, please respond to this post.
>>4758478I don't think we NEED it, no. She's already big brained enough to hack. Would be nice to hqve for sure, but we definitely can't spare the 10 secs if grandpa knows we're loose, and possibly not even if he doesn't.>>4758479Respond
>>4758481What.Who are you suggesting?WHO?
>>4758457>Suzuka is still staring up into your eyes dreamily for some reason, though she tries to avert her eyes when you look down at the Servant in your arms that has gone almost entirely limp, you wonder what she's thinking right now.It's starting to really grate on me how quickly this happens.
>>4758484She's just a little shocked and is contemplating things.Especially because her Mystic Eyes already failed to do anything to you and you didn't even register them.This isn't a 99/100.
>>4758459>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!
>>4758483Ah, you want suggestions for worst girl? That's easy. Altrouge. Never forget what she did to poor Satsuki.Close competition with Ishtar in a bottle for what she almost did to poor Illya, but we already have her in a bottle.>>4758484I'll confess I agree. It's uncanny.
>>4758484This is the fun part.And we are yet to tell her about our money, martial arts achievements and all other things.
>>4758459>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!>>4758479Sakura.
>>4758484There has to be some difficulty to being Shinji I suppose.You know what they say, 99 outta 100 problems and a bitch caused all of them.
>>4758485>Character has power that makes people love them>Character B is unnafected.>So Character A falls for Character B.Every time.
Whatis is there a chance Altrouge will come back? I'd like to add her to a harem and do scooby doo shenanigans with
>>4758487>AltrougeMy DA route.Okay.>>4758479Sakura
>>4758490its a 98/100
>>4758495You can always go and pursue her.For the War itself, it's in its final stages now.>>4758491>>4758497Really? Sakura?You want me to put Sakura on the worst girl poll?
>>4758500I think they're just trying to get me to bite on the bait for some reason.
>>4758500You want subjective opinions. You got subjective opinions. Didnt like her in SN and I think her best contribution to the series was Kama.In this quest she was more an objective to save to my apprehension, than best girl or girl.
>>4758479It's really only Altrouge and Ishtar.Wukong I guess?
>>4758500She encompasses both extremes, Sakura is the Alpha and the Omega.
However Vritra is 99/100 nowYou're very very lucky that you're so busy with saving the world right now, otherwise Sakura would truly have a meltdown when you leave.
>>4758459>>Neutron Star>>You can feel gravity start to shift towards the center of the room! If the mass and energy of this burning object continues to increase>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!I am dying to see how this will go since I have an idea or two.>>4758479Do you count Tiamat and Sakura as separate entities for this poll?
>>4758504>>4758502I do acknowledge 100% subjectivity, but thats whats called an opinion.
>>4758459>Damn it, get to the Central Chamber! You can't keep running around like a cornered rat!There is absolutely no reason for us to try and tank the sun. Suzuka knows the plan. We have everything we need. Time is ticking. Let's go crash grandpa's computer before he does something worse with it.
>>4758504>I think her best contribution to the series was Kama.You might be trying to bait Sakurautist, but you're actually baiting me.Kama is like the 3rd worst Sakuraface. Fight me
How the hell are there people who think that Sakura is worst girl?Like, worse than Ishtar?Or Altrouge?What the fuck is going on?
>>4758508It's all fun and games until a girl starts crying.
>>4758459>>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!>>Write-in...Pretend it's a reddit mod. >>4758479Medea
>>4758513Oh yeah QM?Rate your Sakurafaces then.My fav is Passionlip.
>>4758513I am 100% serious tho. Who are the best and worst Sakurafaces in your opinion, then?
>>4758516Your actions have doomed everyone.Because of this, the worst girl poll will consist of the top ten girls on the best girl poll.
>>4758514I refuse to believe this is their actual unironic opinion.
>>4758514Ishtar can be reformatted into Sumerian and I kinda like Alt even if she spazzed out a large amount at Sacchin. Sacchin is still good tho.
>People calling Sakura and Medea worst girl.
i feel like making this worst girl poll is a mistake.
To the people wanting us to contain a fucking sun:A) Why fo you expect it'll work?B) What do you expect to gain if it works compared to us just going to our main objective right the fuck now?
>>4758517>>4758518Sakura>Kingprotea>Meltryllis>BB>Passionlip>Violet>EXTRA Sakura>Kama>Kazuradrop>ParvatiThis is the objectively correct ranking.
>>4758522>>4758525Yes, I am now regretting the idea of it.It's not going to be at all accurate and will just be shitposted so a popular girl is ranked 1 on it for god knows what reason.Anyway calling in 20
>>4758527Who's the fastest Sakuraface?
We could Truth SPHERE the sun into a Black Hole and throw it at Elixir? We arent effecting something big or strong, just topography/space.
>>4758527QM, I...What shit taste.
>>4758530Kingprotea or Kama.Both can just kind of be everywhere if they aren't stopped.
>>4758534Stop trying to match up to an original with your fakes, Zasshu.
>>4758531A black hole has some real fucking strong forces. And even if we can do it, throwing it at the supercomputer strikes me as a "big boom, everyone dies" option. I thought we'd all agreed grug smash is not a good idea when we summoned Suzuka to hack it.
>>4758535protea won the 100m dash so i guess she is faster.Also, put morgan on the worst girl list.
>>4758459>Damn it, get to the Central Chamber! You can't keep running around like a cornered rat!
>>4758540You misunderstood how I answered the question.Kama and Kingprotea can both sort of achieve omnipresence if they aren't stopped, so by default they win races.However, in a normal scenario, the one who is 5m-50ms tall by default wins.
>>4758539Dont want to try summoning more from another chamber?
>>4758459>Damn it, get to the Central Chamber! You can't keep running around like a cornered rat!>Warn Suzuka we're going for ELIXIR. If she wants a concept boost say now what, very quick explanation, we need 10 seconds to work, otherwise get ready to not let Orochi delete us and to hack ELIXIR
>>4758459>Damn it, get to the Central Chamber! You can't keep running around like a cornered rat!>>4758479Fem Shinji
>>4758514If we are being fully honest here I don`t think you made any girl worst girl material.But while I understand why some people love Sakura and empathize with her story. I just always found her highly unappealing. Help her? Of course, she was done dirty in life. Romance option? I would take celibacy over it.Any idea to set her up on the other paths in life long gone and I didn`t not vote for them either. I even voted for option to trying to win her that toy for few hours. I don`t really regret both of those choices since they were appropriate for that time.As things currently are she is bound to us and that makes total sense and in-character especially. Given how getting isekai`d affected the mind initially and so on.I suppose I could say that Manakas are annoying? But they are antagonists of Grail War so I expect them to be.>>4758519>Altrouge dodged worst girl pollHow the fuck does she do it every time?
>>4758544I know, i was joking.
>>4758551She can't keep getting away with it!
>>4758551Based and accurate summary of my thoughts also.
>>4758553Carnival DAA Shinji>>4758548Anyone want to prepare more?
>>4758546What could we possibly gain that would be worth the delay and risk of Grandpa preparing something extra special for us?
>>4758459Switching >>4758511 to support >>4758548>>4758556You've covered everything, let's just Hope this wins.
>>4758556I'm going to make it the most heartwarming thing you'll ever read.
>>4758559>heartwarmingDAA Shinji roasts his friends' hearts on coals before he eats them?
>>4758559Based DAA route
>>4758559Heartwarming. Like Dr.Gilgamesh MD?[/spoiler!]
>>4758459Switching from >>4758509 to >>4758548
>>4758563>[/spoiler!]Also, no.Altrouge is basically an eviler more autistic version of Arcueid, who despite being alive and active for longer periods of time, is even worse with modern society and dealing with people in general.She's pretty evil, but she's not like, the worst evil imaginable.
>>4758548+1 let's rock
Pretty sure this wins >>4758548
>>4758567Carnival Moment: The Paradox Reincarnator cast visit the doctor's office! Featuring Asclepius, Dr. Gilgamesh, and Trick or Treat Florence Nightingale
>>4758500if you're putting sakura on the worst girl poll its only fair game medea gets put on there as well.
>>4758567But the most heartwarming?Not Medusa-possessed Shinji? Medusa being the only person to every see Shinji for who he truly is and without any secrets would make more sense to be the most heartwarming.
>>4758574There's no reason to put either of the two undeniably best girls in this poll. It's probably a bad idea to make it at all.
>>4758567Carnival Moment: Enhance plays the Devil May Cry games as the DAAs spectate
>>4758567And you're surprised Alt dodged being worst girl?
>>4758580Well, you don't really know that yet, you've not exactly had many interactions with her.You've just unfortunately never had the chance to have a non onesided chat with her.
>>4758582People can just sense the Truth, I guess. We can go bully Alt with Arc after the war. Be one sided the other way around. Vritra can dunk on Primate Murder or play fetch.
A reminder for the people who have apparently forgotten what Altrouge did.
>>4758592What's a little murder between friends?
>>4758592And we healed her so?
>>4758594Not to mention the torture too. She wanted Satsuki to die suffering.
>>4758598Torture builds character!
>>4758592I didnt forget, but I still stand by my opinions. Did you think merely that level of autism is too much? Take a look at Morgan, Jason. Morgan caused a lot of suffering for Mordred and Jason and Medea...and people still want to bro it up with Jason because he didnt job and was clever against Ishtar. We also told Mordred tontry forgiving Morgan, where did that go...? Morgan wasnt truly repentant, more sorry it turned out shitty, afaik.
>>4758599>>4758598>>4758600I can continue building convoluted, biased logics all day.
>>4758601He's the biggest autist in the thread, you won't win with him.
>>4758592From meta view she gave Satsuki place in story and chance to partake in Shinji.>>4758594>>4758599And I would also add another thing to the talk about best and worst girls and few critique you got over big female cast.I like it not so much because we are getting girls but because it is the most interesting conflict. Shinji following his nature and helping them and being the thing they truly need. And at the same time it is also the only true conflict that can`t be overpowered and is inherited within. Meta knowledge, preparations and powers can give you easy victory in battle but they can`t solve any of those harem conflicts.
>>4758600I don't think you should put jason and morgan in the same tier anon. Morgan voluntarily did what she did to arturia and mordred. The only shitty thing jason did to medea was abandon her despite all of her sacrifices to him. It's not like medea didn't get her revenge on jason either. Medea only turned crazy because of the gods.
>>4758611Thats true in an objective manner, I was more trying to refer to that those who have "hurt" some of our loved ones are not auto disqualified from life if they can become somewhat not autistic to us.If Morgan who does not really seem to want "redemption" only to stay at Mordreds side (?maybe??), and Jason who Medea blames a lot for, cover both objective and subjective wrongs that can be forgiven with correct circumstances...
>>4758606>From meta view she gave Satsuki place in story and chance to partake in Shinji.Yes, had Satsuki not been turned, would there have been anybody who wanted to take her with you to the dangerous Fuyuki City? Or would you have just forced her to watch as you disappeared off with another woman?From a purely meta-perspective, Satsukifags should love Alt, if I'm being honest.
>>4758459>Contain the burning artificial star with a barrier of Truth!>>4758479Arcueid>>4758539Black hole has the same gravity as a star of the same mass ffs. >>4758592Sure, now bring up what Shuten, Medusa and all the other girls did.
>>4758615We just need to make Alt apologize to satsuki.
>>4758620If Morgan's forced apology and mega-CSing was okay, so can a...forced apology from Alt. Arc and Vritra can help.
>>4758613Ah sorry anon i must have sped read your argument. I do agree with what you said though.
>>4758625Sure.Arc will beat her up regardless.
>>4758630>Arc will beat her up regardless.
>>4758631Kek, thought of the same thing
Did we get Vritra mount as a Rider or do we need to...ride...her more?
>>4758664>"Oh, you can truly ride me...? Hmmph, you just keep getting more and more interesting, my sweet... rider."Anon.
>>4758666Is that thing on her bottom lip that isn't centered a piercing?
>>4758670Courtesy of Indra, I believe.
>>4758675Vritra as Dragon mentor for Alitheia?
What if we mount vritra, vritra mounts medusa and medusa mounts Pegasus?
>>4758684>vritra mounts medusaVirtra has no Riding skill.
>>4758684The poor horse will break bro
>>4758687She wants to change that.
I’m confused desu.This is overflow chamber, right, so next one should be elemental chamber of earth.It might be the normal function for the overflow, what we’re seeing us excess heat from mass summon getting dissipated, as Orochi is running some juice into the machine.Or it might be our summoning made it go haywire.In either case, what can we do? Try to take the dissipating power and try to truth edit it into something? It probably won’t have link to control functions we could exploit.Imma say... >>4758459Keep running! To the next chamber!
>>4758675Love the character but man that messes with my ocd
If we are being autistic about Riding.Vritra can be big dragon and you need special skill to ride her so only we can use her as mount. I don`t think we can be counted as mount at least until we become part dragon with Dragon Core. After that Medusa can piggyback ride us and use her skill for it. With Medusa being Medusa she can be count as mount so we have another slot open for somebody with Riding and ability to ride Medusa with all her divine and Gorgon parts. Medea has blessing but no Riding skill. Other characters with high Riding we know have no blessing for it. Maybe Alítheia can do it, she is a smart girl.
>>4758692She's my new second wife
>>4758682I’m not sure if she’d be good influence with the amount of vore innuendos. She can be the naughty aunt.>>4758514I think some might be upset that Sakura won a confession in what some have considered a power up vote. The kiss was kind of smuggled in like a corrupt piece of legislation.I want to make it up to Medea, she must be on a rollercoaster today.Anyway, there are no worst girls.Although Altrouge owes a life debt to Sacchin even if she doesn’t know it yet.
>>4758707>she must be on a rollercoaster today.A reminder that she was only rescued from Manaka this morning by our Outer God friend. It is also saved us from fighting her corrupted version as well.
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Our HS form should get an Epiphany in the Jaws of Death type Skill too, with all the autistic write-ins desperately adjusting for everything and wringing out value. I think.
>>4758707>I want to make it up to Medea, she must be on a rollercoaster today.People call me biased, but I definitely agree about that. Both Sakura and Medea will see what we've done today as a betrayal when they find out, and they will find out. We need to talk to them the MOMENT we stop running around to save the world and our friends.
>>4758709>It is also saved us from fighting her corrupted version as well.Yeah, but then we could have given her a powerup.It's harder to just ask her if she wants one than to give one when saving them.
>>4758709A horrifying prospect to be sure>>4758714I guess we owe him a beer for that.Although had we not get her back the subsequent events would be so much different what if’s are a waste of thought. No alitheia, no scrutiny, no teleportation etc.
>>4758719Ehhh...I am not worried at all at this point. It either works out or it doesnt. Too much good shit happened to regret anything. Also, Vritra and Suzuka are based and it was worth getting TPd by Orochi.
>>4758719The problem is every other second some new bullshit pops up.I bet the second we kill Orochi Manaka is gonna do some shit that will demand our full atention.
>>4758724I wonder what everyone thought when we namedropped our bro Nyarly who saved Medea for us.
>>4758714Can I really ever dislike him if his help end up creating Alítheia?>>4758720Giving her something special and unique would be perfect but we just have to wait and see how it goes. Medea was really interested in studying Truth so I think it will come to that point after War.
>>4758726That is NOT the attitude we've had in all the life-or-death situations we've been into. Why half-ass our relationship with the women we love, when it's arguably even more important?>>4758728I really hope not. We've been running non-stop for days now. And we beat Manaka's big play to kill Gil. There SHOULD be some rest for us after this.
>>4758728Knowing the QM, we have 5 minutes after we kill orochi before shit happens.We also need right after this to talk to waver and unfuck iskandar.
>>4758733My worry and stress response has burned outt and I chilled out autist.
>>4758733>That is NOT the attitude we've had in all the life-or-death situations we've been into. Speak for yourself.
>>4758736Too much worrying and it just stopped. Enjoy what one can, strive perfectly and continue no matter what without worry or fear.
>>4758736I will accept that if you've been just as chilled out with all the bad things we've narrowly avoided in the forest. It would mean you're just a more chill anon than me.Me? I worry. I worry about suffering worse than dead ends in battle. I worry about making girls cry. Worrying is what I do at this point. Make fun of me if you wish, but paranoia and autism has gotten us through some pretty nasty spots today.
Man this haremshit discussion literally happens every thread and it ends the same way tooNo point stressing until Orochi is kill and perhaps Manaka gets dealt with too
>>4758734I can't wait till we get some rest, this constant action and plot twists start to become a little tiresome.
>>4758745There is only so much one can worry, at least for me. I appear to have reached my quota.
>>4758747Manaka left is for headpats and hand holding
>>4758751Manaka right is for BDSM and Tickle play?
>>4758754Rope bondage and tickle specifically
>>4758754Vritra Anti-Evil of Humanity, Anti-Beast gonna roll Manakas?
>>4758759Id say its a toss up
>>4758747I agree instead of discussing potential strategies we just repeat this same old haremshit argument. I used to have fun with the harem discussions but at this point its too autistic.
Damn it! You're not just going to keep racing around Orochi's Ritual Chambers like some sort of Cornered Rat, you can still escape the gravitational pull of this false star right now, but you won't have as much luck it you allow it to continually increase in mass! "Vritra! Take us to the Central Chamber now! We can't keep running around! We have what we need to take him on now!""I really hope you've got something good planned, my sweet rider." Vritra is of course still unaware of your plans with Suzuka and her calculation abilities, but she seems to trust you enough that she adjusts course and begins to sprint towards the passageway leading to the Central Chamber, her speed is incredible, and with every step she takes, there's a sonic boom as her jet-like steps propel her with inhuman speed. You're glad that Vritra is on your side and not Orochi's right now. Even if she's grown a lot more powerful since you applied a concept to her, if she was truly willing to serve the Snake God, you would've been completely doomed from the start. Especially because if she wasn't willing to hear you out, she would've just immediately devoured you as she threatened you with. You're thankful that Orochi, despite functioning on incredible intelligence of Zolgen Makiri, is still just as incapable of instilling loyalty. Fear, perhaps, but to try to quell Heroic Spirits into working for you out of fear is a doomed ambition, even if you did get a Heroic Spirit cowardly enough to agree to something like that, they'd only be doing so for as long as it would take for them to perfectly scheme to find a way to get rid of you.Then there's beings like Vritra, who Orochi believed himself to have actually managed to form some small sort of alliance with her, but it seems that he really misjudged the intentions of the Dragon that enjoys watching humanity overcome obstacles. Honestly, for somebody supposed to be so smart, Orochi sure is stupid. Then again, maybe you just can't truly appreciate the big-brain it requires to continually be betrayed by every single person who is working for you over and over again, because the person you're trying to defeat is both more charismatic than you and is capable of breaking the contracts you have with them with relative ease. If he was smart, he'd probably have started to place curses of death within the Master-Servant links to activate upon their destruction, but actually, even if he bothered doing something like that, it wouldn't have done anything to Vritra anyway, considering her immortal and eternal nature. Oh well, sucks to suck, Orochi.
Honestly, if that neutron star style compression was actually meant to wipe you out, then it was a very poor attempt. You would've at least expected Orochi to have like, tried to seal the chamber to stop you from just waltzing right out of there. Then again, maybe it was just an autonomous process after all? It's possible that after you messed with the summoning array, it was activated and this was the result, a massive release of enough energy to potentially destroy the entire fortress! It's a good thing that the overflow chambers were constructed, if that was the case. Even if it means that it makes actually destroying the place a damn sight harder, it also means that the immense amount of energy contained within ELIXIR will have a place to flow to, and won't simply flow through the anchor back in Fuyuki, which would cause a small build-up of energy likely so great that it would cause the entire Eurasian Tectonic Plate to be completely shattered, effectively ending all life in two entire continents. Which... really wouldn't be a good thing. At least with these chambers though, it should be possible to safely deactivate ELIXIR. Of course, there's a small part of you that wants to keep ELIXIR and this fortress to yourself, but you get the feeling that Orochi will have at least taken precautions against that, and as lame as it sounds, you can very much imagine him installing a self-destruct circuit out of spite. He basically tried to do that to Sakura, after all.'Alright. Suzuka, we're going to be heading to ELIXIR now, I didn't get to explain earlier, but I have the ability to imbue and infuse beings and also objects with concepts. While my abilities used to be impermanent, I appear to be capable of manifesting a concept that can last forever on something if the concept is one that has great compatibility with them. So I'm offering you the chance to choose which concept you'd like to be imbued with, though I'm not saying you need to have it if you don't want one or can't think of one.' You give Suzuka a quick rundown of your abilities. It's not exactly going into as much detail as you can on them, but it should do the trick for actually explaining how they work. Suzuka might act stupid all the time, but in reality she's nowhere near as stupid as the act she puts on makes her appear to be, and Blessing of Wisdom only increases her level of intelligence, though it increases it to such a point where she is forced to regret the stupid act she puts on, even if it's only an act. She's simply too intelligent when she draws on her Second Noble Phantasm to even be able to pretend, which is actually kind of hilarious in its own way.
A concept? And like... you're saying you can use it to make me stronger? Then... how about attractive? Oh! How about popular! Or maybe cool? Best girlfriend, maybe? Would that like, be a good concept?' Suzuka just suggests multiple useless concepts, you don't really know what you were expecting here. 'Uh... Well, like, if you can think of something good that will make me better, then maybe you can think of something? Though if I had to say the best concept from my perspective right now...' You don't hold your breath.'Would it by any chance be 'JK'?' You mentally sigh as you can tell from Suzuka's slightly shocked reaction that you were entirely right. You take a look ahead, and you can see that Vritra is fast approaching what looks like a large glowing blue wall blocking the way to the Central Chamber. It doesn't seem to be moving though, and you suppose that you'll have time to apply a concept to Suzuka. >Apply a concept to Suzuka.>>Attractive>>Popular>>Cool>>Girlfriend>>JK>>Something else... (Pick this one) (What?)>Don't apply a concept to her, she should be able to cope with ELIXIR with just her Noble Phantasms.>>4758774Oh god, I messed up the formatting and I deleted my own post.Also, that's great!
What if, and what if. JK is genius because it grounds her in humanity and lets her Trichilio go lot longer?
>>4758775>>>JKSure why not
>yfwSURELY THIS TIME
This is usually where Niggerman comes up with something incredibly fitting and overpowered.Any other autist know anything about her?
>>4758775>Don't apply a concept to her, she should be able to cope with ELIXIR with just her Noble Phantasms.All of those are useless. We never came up with something good enough in autism overnight discussions. We were counting on asking her, ideally after she'd gotten big brained. But she'll have limited time to do what she needs to do when she's big brained, and we won't have the 10 seconds then. Let's just get this over with.>>4758783pic title was you all along.
>>4758776Apparently JK gives her a legit power upLike how her supernatural power B rank skill gets turned to B+ in FGO
She is the Daughter of the Demon King of the Fourth Heaven so she is either some kind of Deva/Asura thing also, or a kind of nasu Oni like Ibuki and Shuten.
>>4758784Just choose what your heart tells you is right.
>>4758784There was some discussion of possible concepts of her yesterday night. "Deva" and "Wisdom" were pretty much the only proposed concepts. Deva would turn her, the daughter of a demon king, into a goddess, probably, with unknown results. WhatIs confirmed Wisdom would obliterate her original personality. We settled on asking her because no one could come up with something better.Niggerman is wageslaving for free. Can't count on him to come and save us.
>>4758775What the fuck is JK
>>4758784>>4758785>>4758792For OPness what I came up with was Myohi for Wisdom Queen which is a Protective, Wordly, Wrathful aspect of a Bodhisattva so she could use her Trichilio while remaining in the World, similarly to that Deva to syncretize her more with Hindu influenced Shinto instead of Buddhism influenced.The problem is, she doesn't seem to really want to emphasize those aspects and we were kinda "warned" against seeking to create power purely instead of happiness with our power. Don't know if that was a joke or actual warning.
>>4758775>Don't apply a concept to her, she should be able to cope with ELIXIR with just her Noble Phantasms.None of these are very useful.
>>4758775>JKIf for no other reason than curiosity about what imbuing someone with the concept of JK would do
>DualitySomething to allow her to switch between her personalities at will and anchor them together to avoid burned away by her Noble Phantasms.Could result in Alter Ego or split-personality. But she already do that all the time.>DevaWas suggested by Anons before in previous thread.>ClarityShe has the aptitude for it. Not that strong but could make her more serious.>YoginiHalf-Divinity option essentially.>Mindfulness"Buddhism Lite" and will not delete her from reality and Wheel Of Samsara.>InsightB̵l̷o̶o̶d̴b̷o̸r̵n̴e̸ haha. But it would be more of buff to her calculations. Making them closer to Hard AI rather than Soft/Fast AI.I don`t remember much of special buddhist concepts but maybe somebody still do.I`ll support the most helpful option as I see it.
>>4758800We were warned against applying just "Wisdom". I am absolutely certain what you propose would obliterate her original personality as well. I view this the same as killing her. Let's not do that.
>>4758775>JKinb4 super powerup>>4758799Joshi Kousei which means high school gal
>>4758799Joshi kosei which means high school girl in nip.
If I were to make a random guess, I'd say a concept that may be "powerful enough" an "compatible enough with her wishes" should be...Love? Since she seeks love even to the extent of acting completely different to her "true personality" which is serious and relatively dour, by assuming the aspect of what she thinks would bring her the most happiness through love.Ishtar, Inanna, Astarte, Aphrodite Areia are all both War and Love (or Sex) Goddesses, for example, and probably lot of Hindu ones too.
>>4758806Duality sounds like something that would give her legit split personality. Clarity, mindfulness and Insight are opposite concepts to her current personality, which means she gets twisted into something completely different. Messing with divinities has always been a bad idea previously.We don't have to try for powergaming all the time. Suzuka has a full personality, and she's happy with the way she is. We don't have the right to rewrite her just because we want a power up.
>>4758799JoshikoseiHigh School slut Girl
>>4758806I'd rather use Rishika than Yogini. Rishi are OP as fuck, one cursed Indra so hard all the Devas lost their immortality, and they're just human dudes that are super magic enlightened.
>>4758817That's some stupid shit. >>4758775Pick one, Gyaru
>>4758814Love probably qualifies as something compatible with her, but it's not really much better than what she proposed herself. It'll be equally useless against the supercomputer, and probably turn her into something like Medusa's sisters.
>>4758815I don't know if I'd call her "happy the way she is" given her GO profile."A selfish, simplistic, talented woman who “seriously” plays a galgal high school girl.Her original character is the exact opposite of a JK - a prudent, down to earth, dignified princess.Although possessing the cruelty of a princess of heavenly demons, she is proud and honest towards her roles and duties....on the other hand, she also has a personality prone to melancholy in which said honesty and cleverness cause her to feel depressed towards the wicked attributes of a “daughter of oni”, in an autotoxemia sort of way.One could describe her as a listless class-representative that is gifted with both intelligence and beauty, but also somewhat negative. Still, it seems that such true character has been mostly concealed thanks to her JK-acting."
>>4758824Basically she is takes her duties as a "princess of demons" seriously and acts that way, but kinda doesn't like how a "princess of demons" has to act because she is kinda good, but also feels like she has to exemplify acting as she is supposed to.
>>4758824Yes, she is a shallow jk fox right now. But it is her choice. She IS happy. She does not want to change, to go back to being a prudent dignified princess. Every concept she proposed for herself merely enhances her current self. She would have asked us if she really wanted to change her fundamental personality like that.
All of these sound horrible. Well, maybe Cool would be cool. Would it come with free sunglasses?JK she might be compatible with but how would it be helpful?Hmm... what could actually work thoughInsight, to reinforce her wisdom NP, allow her to employ her powers more effectively?Quantum or Parallel calculation to give her a boost in performance and ability to overwhelm defenses in her way?Anticipation to allow her to neutralize counterattacks?Imperceptibility to allow her to infiltrate the enemy? Although that might clash with her personality too much.
>>4758815>>4758820>>4758828How about self-determination? If we assume she is torn between different aspects of herself and her Noble Phantasms erode her sense of self this will be strong boost her sense of self. The one she wants at the moment.I am half-curious to see if her JK LARP can be turned into mellow SOL VN protagonist powers.
>>4758775>JKHey, if its what she wants.
>>4758828That is a reading.Honestly, JK may be the secret OP choice anyway, if our Truth really is the 6th Magic that is supposed to bring happiness.I propose Artha, from the Hindu concepts.Artha is "As a concept, it has multiple meanings, all of which imply "means of life", activities and resources that enable one to be in a state one wants to be in."Just enable her to create whatever state she wants for herself. She wants to be a JK? Makes her super JK. She wants to change her true self? Go ahead. She wants to be happy without changing her true self somehow? Artha covers any goal.
Opinions on concept of Deception?
>>4758835>I propose Artha
>>4758775ah screw it. If it is what she wants then it's what she's going to get.>JKWorst case she'll be useless in the fight but at least she'll be happy. Hopefully.
>>4758833I was writing another long post about why we shouldn't mess with others just because we want a power up, but I actually think Self-Determination is great now. She was born a princess. She CHOSE to become a JK girl, to reject her roots. She chose to define her life how she wants, not how others would want her to.Nothing proposed so far fits her more than Self Determination does.
>>4758835How about just Self-Determination? It should enable her to do the same thing. We don't have to go for the weird esoteric concepts all the time.
>>4758835Certain readings of Artha, which make me think of it being good idea are the following:"Artha, then, is best described as pursuit of activities and means necessary for a joyous and pleasurable life.""...it is an attitude and necessary requirement of human life.">>4758840I feel like Artha is just a more complete version of Self-Determination, as it not only includes your own will, but also the means such as resources, opportunities and environments by which with to conduct your own life and desires without conflicting with moraltiy(Dharma) and Kama(Desire)It is self-determination, resourcefulness, cleverness and actual physical means.
>>4758835>>4758840We are on the same side with that idea, I guess?
>>4758775>Apply a concept to Suzuka.>Self-Determination
>>4758775>Apply a concept to Suzuka.>>Self-Determination
>>4758844I think if I were to articulate my problem with this, is that it's a weird esoteric concept that does not fit with her mythology. Asha worked so great for Vritra because there was a connection, and a pretty damn good connection too. What connection does a hindu concept has with the daughter of a Japanese demon?
>>4758775>>Something else... (Pick this one) (Artha)Let's give her not just the mental ability but the wordly ability to choose. If she wishes to change herself but cannot or doesn't want to change her nature, lets give her the will AND the resources and skills to create a harmonious outcome even so.Power, skill, will and cleverness enough will let you create happiness.
>>4758775switching from >>4758839to >>4758840Although I do hope we aren't gonna miss the slot if OP follows through on the idea of making concepts only be applicable once.
>>4758775>>4758833>>Self-DeterminationThat sounds good, I’ll vote for it
>>4758781>>4758775Changing to self determination, you guys are right she should choose who she wants to be, also JK in her eyes is just the current standard of beauty and that standard always changes
>>4758852??? What is a Demon King of the Fourth Heaven? Did you think Nobunaga's Demon King title was Japanese not Buddhist? Mara is a buddhist demon and its the name of one of her potential NPs, Papiyas (Mara) Metamorphosis
>>4758853Liberation gave Enkidu the means to liberate himself. Supremacy gave Nobu the means to, well, Supreme? Whatever, you get the point. Going for weird esoteric terms ONLY because we think it'll be more powerful than the equivalent mundane term, with absolutely no connection to who she is, does not strike me as a good idea.
>>4758857Hinduism and Buddhism are not the same, anon. Even if they're in the same region.
>>4758859>Supremacy gave Nobu the means to, well, SupremeSupremeing is her preferred way to spend the time.
>>4758860It's all the fucking same who gives a shit
>>4758860They are literally nearly the same. They both use the same cosmological concepts, such as Buddhism having Indra and co, their theory of interdependent-origination being illustrated by "Indra's Net". They have the same pantheons, only Buddhists say the Devas and Ashuras are all created and limited beings. Buddha nature, Tathāgatagarbha, is literally just Brahman in some sects of Hinduism where there is no Atma, individual soul, and there are a lot of Hindu sects.Reincarnation nearly the same except one escapes by Nirvana and extinguishing other by enlightenment and realizing Atman=Brahman and becoming God.
>>4758864Yeah, that's not the proper attitude when going for weird esoteric concepts. There were paragraphs of autism justifying why Asha fit Vritra. There was a really fucking good connection, much better than "Meh, buddhism, hindusm, who gives a shit?"
>>4758866>>4758860It's like saying that when some Buddhist sects said, and convinced people, in some eras of Japan that Kami are the pre-human, absolutely pure and natural incarnations of Buddhas as opposed to Bodhisattvas and Wisdom Kings that are human aspected manifestations of Buddhas who are uncreated, existent, nonexistent, not(existend and nonexistent) and not(existent or nonexistent).This was actually a doctrine held in great value in japanese society at some point where buddhism was stronk, there are gigashittons of mutual colourings between all these religions and philosophies, including Taoism and original native chinese myths like Pang'u
>>4758775>>4758819>Self-DeterminationSure, why not. I'll switch to it.
>>4758866>They are literally nearly the sameI do not see them that way, and our perspectives on this are way too different for me to even try and argue the point.I won't deny they are connected and influenced each other over the centuries. But I don't see this as nearly enough here.
>>4758868I'll just chill back down and laugh when the harem containment breaks and spills everywhere. The true nature of autism has been rejected.
>>4758775>Apply a concept to Suzuka.>Self-DeterminationMostly because we are on fast timer here and I am worse with remembering Buddhism than I am with Zoroastrianism like with Asha and few cross checks in online sources.
12 minutes.Please remember that just because you can flex your big brain to apply esoteric concepts to people, it doesn't always mean that such concepts will be the best for your current situation, and trying to stretch a concept having it encompass multiple different concepts may mean whatever they end up with is more jack of all trades then specialized power.Also what's winning right now?
>>4758880>The true nature of autism has been rejected.I see it the same as when we gave Liberation to Enkidu. That was autistic enough. We didn't go digging for some weird esoteric concept that would mean liberation+something else. And it worked. It gave him everything he needed. I don't see why it Self-Determination wouldn't work just as well here.RE: harem containment breaking: What?
>>4758885Pretty sure it's Self-Determination.
>>4758885Self determination really isn't esoteric, plus it fits her really well
>>4758887>>4758733I tried to worry again, but I was shown the error of my ways. Thanks.
>>4758775>JKGive em what they want.
>>4758880>>4758892Look at it the other way too.Would you trust Suzuka with the amount of power Vritra got? I am certainly don`t feel that sure about it.Despite her evil dragon antics Vritra is still much more in favour of humans and sympathizes with them than windy JK fox.
>>4758892I actually think you weren't worried enough. Rewriting people has inherent dangers, and going for weird esoteric terms willy-nilly is the opposite of worrying about the consequences.Don't be discouraged that we didn't adopt your autism. All the best autism has been the result of discussion. Plenty of the Nigger's proposals have been changed numerous times to fix the problems other people saw. My proposals too. It's a natural part of the collaborative thing we're doing here.
Just looked at the Joffrey Self Insert quest in more detail after they misarchived me.Holy shit, the cope and seethe about me is real.
We also must remember we cant repeat concepts, so if we use one now we cant use it later.
>>4758906Elaborate? Are they really wasting time getting angry at someone else?>>4758775>self-determination
>>4758906>Holy shit, the cope and seethe about me is real.The envy of second place. Their tears are delicious.>>4758909Please don't link it WhatIs. Anyone who wants to find it can look at the catalogue.
>>4758907Then better think of some ahead of time.Iskandar we just ask Waver. Can anyone think of something for Diarmuid? I feel bad for the guy.
>>4758868>>4758879>>4758901If you don't feel it is right, or don't agree with the conclusion reached by the data, or want to do it because reason X that's one thing. But I did post lots of actual connections and shit. There IS data for the autism, if they so accept or deny it, but the data itself is there.For real autism there is The Nature of Kami by Ueda Akinari and Tandai Shoshin Roku who connect japanese Kami to both Buddhist and Taoist beliefs. I may not always autism, but when I do, I do it seriously.
>>4758906What'd they say? Also kinda funny since that quest only started cause of your quest
>>4758907True, but I don't see anyone else we could apply this to that would fit. Shouldn't be a problem.
>>4758906A Sneed of Feed and Seed>>4758775I'll chuck a vote for Self Determination if there's time, just finished reading everything after waking up.jannie mode soon
Looks like ImBatman is participating in that quest.
>>4758913The concept of FortuneLancer/Saber of 4chan
>>4758906At this point I want Sweets to return not so much for Redux Awakening itself but to see how further him having 3-4 threads will drive other people. Will somebody properly rise to the challenge after that? Nobody is doing any serious obstacles overcoming right now.
>>4758913Diarmuid will be perfectly fine if we just break his curse. He doesn't need a concept to be happy. We could give him Luck though, I suppose.>>4758914But I didn't say you did autism wrong. I merely disagreed with you and the conclusion you reached regarding the connections. I did not intent it as a personal slight, and I apologise if you took it that way.
>>4758911I think my favourite thing is the QM writing about how Fate is a series for coomers and degenerates and pedophiles when he's an Akun QM writing a Game of Thrones quest with book ages. Where they had Joffrey french kiss Cersei while he was 12.There's like no self-reflection going on there at all.Funny stuff.
>>4758913the concept of not jobbingthen find a way to unfuck his curse.
>>4758927>then find a way to unfuck his curse.Chiyome headpats him, the end.
>>4758926Heh, seems like some funny autism.
>>4758925How the fuck can we read two vastly different things into the same text I have no idea anymore.The main thing that meant that, for me, was:>>4758868>There was a really fucking good connection, much better than "Meh, buddhism, hindusm, who gives a shit?"Lets just wait for the results at this point.
So what won, Self-Determination?
>>4758933...I was answering a different anon who LITERALLY said "It's all the same, who gives a shit". There's a reason that was not directed at you.
>>4758933Sakuraman was responding to a third anon who said "shit's all the same", not you m8
>>4758938>>4758939Well, which one is it?
>>4758926>self-reflectionNow that would have been real gut punch for Suzuka.
>>4758927>>4758923>>4758925The guy could use some luck.Hell, tons of Lancers could. It would be cool if he could multiclass. He fought with 1 of each, not 2 spears/swords.
>>4758942Self-Determination, but you should count if you're not sure.
>>4758941>>4758937I see then, well, thats my bad then. I must have assumed it was a continuation of this. Sorry.>>4758860
>>4758942Looks like self-determination has 11 votes and JK has 5
>>4758943https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhi_(Hindu_thought)There's this for future use I guess
>>4758948Alright then. tl;dr to clear the air: I insist Buddhism and Hinduism are not the same. But you never claimed that. You claimed they are connected, and I can't deny they are. I just disagreed that that connection was strong enough to apply here.We cool, fren?
>>4758956And if we ever want to give Medea powers to walk higher dimensions with us we can give her Hyperuranion or Poiesis.
Oh shuten got a new costume
>>4758963Yes, but its like saying Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic or Protestant arent the same. 100% true, but there is a LOT of overlap.We cool.
>>4758969Yeah it looks nice
>>4758967So is the true endgame to reverse Isekai Medea into IRL Earth?
Jeanne looks great too, though I'll never understand why she's considered a top servant and in the same league as Artoria, Iskandar and Karna when she doesn’t really have that wow factor they have
>>4758985The power to commit suicide to kill anyone is great in a normal grail war.It means you can kill both Jeanne and the last remaining Servant with one command spell.
>>4758988Well, actually, Jeanne has EX rank magic resistance, so that wouldn't work.I guess you just need to convince her to an hero instead.Shouldn't be that hard.
>>4758985The talk of Top Servants reminded me of the existence of Saber Venus Nero
>>4758985>>4758988Last thread I got the feeling not a lot of people here like Jeanne.Why is that?
>>4758985You must be kidding, it's typical Takeuchi garbageJust look at the left hand and the posing.The headpiece is shit too, but the dress is okay
>>4758988Still nowhere near enough to be compared to Iskandar who can summon a whole army of heroic spirits or Karna who's a nuke. Her NP is kinda situational, if she's forced to use it early on then yeah she killed the threat but now she's dead too
>>4758972>>4758980It's nice, but I would've liked if they gave us her Jiangshi or Punk costume instead
>>4758985>The same fucked up hand from Shinjiku Jeanne Alter and Jeanne SummerNo. Takeuchi turned into a lazy piece of shit who keeps doing the same pose over and over again.
>>4758996Oh I fucking love Jeanne, she's one of my favorites, but she's not a really good servant, especially compared to the other options who have better utility and fire power, plus she wouldn't be ok with what we're trying to do, she's against servants leading and staying alive >>4758997The dress looks pretty
>>4758995Read that as Sailor Venus Nero for a second.>>4758997Headpiece looks like she stole something meant to decorate a table in order to wear.>>4758996People don't really like Jeanne for being a far more boring Saber who accomplishes basically nothing through the entire story.Also she apparently somehow exorcises Jack from the Throne too, but that just doesn't work thanks to FGO.
>>4758985TAKEUCHI AGAIN WITH THE SUMMER JANNU HAND POSESOMEONE STOP THIS MAN
>>4759006I would've maybe liked Jeanne more if she just wasn't pretty much useless.Then again, there's really only so much you can do with "Really famous girl who is most famous for getting people to rally behind her before getting incinerated after being tied to a stick."
>>4759000That reminds meWe need to buy matching Bad Girl outfits for Abby and Betty
You know it'd be pretty cool to summon Lu Bu mostly because of how we can modify him. If Lu Bu is summoned in any other class he'd inevitably betray his master, even as a Berserker he'd still try to betray them but forcing Loyalty on him erases any fear of that happening and Medea removing his Madness Enhancement would force a class change
>>4759010I would have liked Jeanne more if they didn't fuck up her character in Apocrypha and turned her into sieg's cocksleeve. The real Jeanne d'Arc was an incredible character and they wasted her completely.
>>4759007Give up, dude obviously stopped trying years ago>>4759010They could have jeanne a lot cooler if they took more things from the real jeanne.Don't she liked artillery a lot or something?
>>4759006>somehow exorcises Jack from the Throne too, but that just doesn't work thanks to FGO.And FSF
>>4759016Apocrypha wasn't very good.At least it gave us some other Servants that were pretty cool.Sieg wasn't a very good main character.
>>4759020Different HS incarnated from the Mystery of WHOOOO itself.
>>4759020That's a different Jack. But also might be the same Jack.In fact, I'm pretty sure that aborted babies Jack is the real Jack and Berserker Jack can transform into her if he wants so whatever.>>4759019Jeanne having cannons would've been cool as shit.Instead she's got a flag.
>>4759023Fuckin nerfed Siegfrieds dragon factor into nearly nothing and later gave Sigurd Dragonkind EX
>>4759025He can, they transformed into Assassin Jack and Flat quickly covered them as they didn't want to get arrested
>>4759025>In fact, I'm pretty sure that aborted babies Jack is the real JackYes and no. Her murders were attributed to "Jack" too, but so were other peoples so who knows if there even WAS a real one, or everyone thhought to be it amalgamated.
>>4759030I mean, I know it's a big mystery and everything, but it was literally only 5 prostitutes.
>>4759031Also cops never give a shit about prostitutes getting murdered that's why serial killers go after them, shocking that they never found Jack the Ripper
>>4759031*Insert Holmes stuff about whats real and Items Subject to RevisionIt MAY be 5. Maybe. Sometimes.
I hate niggers
>>4759033There is also theories that the guy that did or was a cop himself or someone very fucking important.Its quite interesting, ot be honest.
Off of work finally! Anyway does anyone know how we are going to side step Orochi's Naga skill? Our dragon guards herself and humans which JK wolf isn't. So being an Oni divine like Shuten will likely mess her up. I'd voted for JK just to make her human enough to side step the issue.Also should we throw the rock in before we get into the central terminal? It's would be a good distraction for JK wolf.
>>4759038What about autists?
I just noticed Saint Germain in SF. The fuck.
It's a shame that you didn't win, Queen of JK, a composite skill that basically gave her all sorts of leadership skills and control over highschoolers was gonna be funnyNot to mention that dabbing on Orochi by activating a Reality Marble that turned his Death Fortress into a japanese High School would've made my sides explode
>>4759050Vroom vroom. The cooler Merlin.
>>4759052Fuck i knew it
>>4759052Overrule it, autism is getting boring
>>4759052Now I'm really glad it didn't win.
>>4759052I don't know why I wrote it like thatIt sounds like I was talking to the skillWhat the fuck.
>>4759052DAMN IT NOW I WANT THAT FUCKING FUCK
>>4759043I'm hoping self-determination will give her enough control over her own self to sidestep the first issue. We'll discuss more after the next update.Throwing in runecancer as a distraction is an excellent idea. Even if it buys us a couple seconds, it'll be more than worth it.>>4759052I.. wouldn't have liked ridiculing what is the most climactic battle of the quest so far like that.
>>4759052that would be very silly
>>4759059Wait, weren't you talking to the skill?
Carnival Phantasm where Suzuka big brains it and forces us to be the main character of a school life romcom
>>4759067I don't even know what I was doing there.But yeah, JK is something that should really stay as a Carnival Moment.
>>4759052Would’ve been one hell of a weird tone shift for this battle, I don’t I think would’ve taken the battle seriously if that would’ve happened
>>4759069There's a mini fan comic where Suzuka traps Guda in a singularity and he has to figure out which love interest created it to escape it
>>4759069Ah.Are you ok? That was a bizarre piece of text if so.
>>4759068Ah shit let's go
>>4759070I mean there's already a weird ass tone to the quest when the magical girl shenanigans happened, I never really liked it, would’ve liked it more if it was just straight Second Magic manipulation
>>4759072Its OK. Suzuka just hacked WhatIs for a second.
>>4759074Genuinely surprised someone hasn't tried to make a fangame or VN of this
>>4759077Prisma already proved that a fate mahou shoujo can be serious.
>>4759077Blame Zelretch and his Magical Girl fetish.
>>4759083Indeed.Fate has very little fangames to be honest.
>>4759085Zelretch hated it tho and thats why he locked it away. Prisma is a meme and non-canon to mainline as a different Tree of Time.
>>4759087He just straight up gave it to the Tohsaka.Rin used it once in her childhood and was traumatized by it.Oh, and that gives me another idea for a Carnival Moment you can choose.>Second Magic Prank Calls
>>4759086It actually has a fair amount, the Tsukihime fandisc, Empire of Dirt, the shit ton of doujins, Type Moon is honestly built off fanfic. I think there might be a fair amount fangames that we don't know about or can't play cause the language barrier.I do kinda have a dream game of a 7th Stand User type game but it'd seem way too hard to get done because you'd actually have to work on the dialogue for the different servants and make routes for servants who are more lowkey or wanna Unga bunga everything
Also, I like that Rin had that broken Mystic Code from Unlimited codes as well as a Kaleidostick and she still prefers to try to use the Jewel Sword.
>>4759089Rin calling her future self was cute I wanna do that now>>4759091I think its cause one of them is an excuse for a fighting game and the other is a joke. The jeweled sword is an actual serious weapon
>>4759093Yeah, but both are canon.Somehow.Fuckin Nasu.I still think the trapped in a box with Rin scenes are the best scenes in HA
Self determination feels like a very powerful concept. The reason why Shinji in this quest is so important is his ability to plot his own course. No root can predict him thus he got his origin and element because the root was scratching it's head. While probably not as powerful I feel self-determination would allow her to not only pick what she is but what her future is with nothing being able to predict or manipulate her including the root.
>>4759090I mean fangames, not fanstuff in general.There isnt that much, not sure why.It's mostly doujins or text.
Huh reading this what is common fanon thread on space battles a realized a few things. Zelrich hates Ruby, Shiro isnt an amnesiac and reality marbles in relation to him has a lot of caveats.https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-type-moon-discussion-thread-2-unlimited-titles-works-please-read-the-threadmarks.795493/#post-61985032
>>4759113>Shirou isn't an amnesiacThat's a powerful headcanon honestly.He justHe just doesn't give a shit about who he was before the fire.
>>4759113Yeah Shirou’s personality was basically erased but he still can remember everything from before the fire, he chooses not to cause its painful to think about, he actually does this a fair amount of times, especially in HF, he throws or locks away memories so he never has to think about them ever, he does this after killing Saber Alter so he doesn't go insane.Also, another thing people always fuck up in fanfic, Zelretch isn’t a fucking whimsical troll, he’s basically Jotaro Kujo, he doesn't use Second Magic for fun, he's a hard ass and extremely careful with how he uses his powers
>>4759113Beware this threads.Its full of headcanons.
>>4759119The translations are good tho.
>The most concrete info we have is still vague but seems to indicate Extra Rin is adescendantof a bastard Tohsaka branch started by Tokiomi going overseas, rather than directly being his daughter.What the fuck dude
>>4759113>Claim: Caster Gilgamesh is Gilgamesh after his quest for immortality, while Archer Gilgamesh is his younger self when he was a tyrant.>Response: "Archer is Gil pre-immortality search" kind of fails when Archer Gil remembers his Epic. Isn't this response kinda bullshit when we know heroic spirits remember their entire life no matter what version of themselves is summoned? Medusa, for example, remembers being the Gorgon even if she is emphatically from an earlier period of her life. And doesn't Medea Lily know how things turn out while still being in love with Jason? Am I misunderstanding something?
>>4759118>he's a hard ass and extremely careful with how he uses his powersHe has too, but i guess when he has to use his powers he always use it in a way that is funny for him, like he just appearing to save rin after HF.
>>4759124Hahahahahahahaha.Rin and Sakura have half siblings somewhere.
>>4759124Like how Extra Shinji is called and looks like Shinji Matou, but isnt the Matou family ala Zouken.Just a coincidence. Thank Extra.
>>4759126That is totally bullshit, because each form of Gilgamesh, despite all having the entirety of Gilgamesh's memories, has a different outlook on them all.Ko-Gil is obvious.Archer Gilgamesh is peak douche Gil.Caster Gilgamesh is overworked with paperwork Gil.
>>4759126Yeah, its weird.Archer gil knows of all his story, i think he has the memories but because he didnt live that part, he never had the epiphany that led his caster self to be what he is.Another example is loli medusa that knows how he life will go.
>>4759126Yeah this doesn't make any sense, servants remember their whole life, they just act different depending on the class, like you said, Medea Lily still loves Jason despite knowing how everything ends
>>4759133>>4759134>>4759137Good to see I'm not going crazy. Getting something so simple so wrong makes me doubt the accuracy of the entire FAQ, tbqh.
Not gonna lie, I've only seen F/SN, Zero and played some fgo, but everything I've seen people here say about the rest of the franchise makes me wonder why you even like it.
>>4759100>I still think the trapped in a box with Rin scenes are the best scenes in HAIt was amazing. Rin called her futur 100% dere self and not realzing who she was talking with was perfect.
>>4759127That and he's extremely impressed and likes Rin, Jeweled Sword was a multi generational test and experiment and Rin nearly has it complete>>4759129I can see Zouken having a few bastards running around in Russia. He's an old man, it wouldn't be a stretch that he spread the bloodline around to see what happens
>>4759137Wasn't she forced by the Gods into loving him though?Why would that still apply to Medea Lily and not Adult Medea?
>>4759142I like the franchise I'm just not gonna look over it's faults, I love ASOIAF too but it's not gonna stop me from calling GRRM a worthless fucking hack and a lazy piece of shit
>>4759147Idk, guess it wore off after Jason lost favor
>>4759147Medea lily is the more innocent version, aka the weak bitch.Medea (TRUE) is the woman who'd gladly teleport jason into the open ocean
>>4759147Her Skill Ephemeral Love:"It was a fake love like a fragile bubble, wasn't it? Those sweet nothings you whispered were truly empty, weren't they? But, what's wrong with that?Those whispers may not have been truths, and just about everything was a lie, but until the needle prick that burst it open - it was unmistakably, love."
>>4759160That's kind of stupid.
>>4759147I imagine Aphrodite's curse wore off at some point and Lily is still under it.And another response that seems bullshit:>Claim: Shirou possesses the Reality Marble Unlimited Blade Works because he has a distorted/inhuman mind.>Response: Rin says "distorted",>Shirou only has a leg up, and even with his advantage, unless he copies from Archer, it would still take him twenty years to develop his, which rather disproves the idea it's linked to his psyche. If it were, the power would be instinctual, like with Psychics.How the hell does requiring twenty years of effort disproves the idea it's linked to his psyche? Psyche is a required but not necessary condition, it seems very obvious to me.
>>4759139It does bring up other examples as to why it's wrong. For example they bring up a line that proves it was trolling against Gotea.Also if the wiki is right then an alien mentality isn't needed for a reality marble. Just a lot of research and considering quest Shinji's talent he could have jumped that.
>>4759164Because RMs can be passed down in family. Also Lair of the Beast King also gets inherited from NeroChaos in some timelines.
>>4759164Also Reality Marbles are extremely fucking hard to do and Shirou is a shit Magus, this makes no sense, starting to think this list is bullshit
>>4759163I don't think it was after Jason lost favor, but after he finally did enough bad shit to overcome the spell. Betrayal after betrayal has to pile up at some point. Or perhaps murdering her children out of her mad love was enough to shock her back to her senses.
>>4759164I think this idiots don't know how a reality marble works.You NEED a distorted or very different mind to even be able to have a change to bring a marble to the world, anything too similar to what the world considers normal would not work.
>>4759165It isn't but it helps, that's why Dead Apostles eventually get one if they live long enough, they're human turned inhuman
>>4759164>Unlimited Blade WorksIt says it disproves it because Rin says distorted wat of life not distorted mind. On top of that other magus have it through research without going crazy. Lastly it's the fact that Shiros problems are apparently PTSD and survivors guilt. The short cut according to this is likely from his element and orgin lining up.
>>4759162That's a fucking cursed skill if I've ever seen one, Christ.Poor Medea Lily.>>4759166Yeah but Lair of the Beast King is a really really special case in regards to Reality Marbles, considering it basically controls the owner.Passing down a Reality Marble if it's like that should theoretically start turning the person it is passed down to into the person who it originally belonged to, if that's the case.Because you'd be overwriting their inner self with another inner self.Passing down a Reality Marble seems like a really really fucking bad idea with that in mind.
>>4759176I think that's just they have virtually unlimited time to slave away at it until it works. Since all magecraft works with self-hypnosis on some level, it's not that weird that you'd eventually just get so good you can use it when you need to and not be fucked up in general imo.
>>4759176Or you can be Satsuki, and just get one pretty much immediately.
>>4759184Shirou was going brain dead using Archer's arm because they have different mentalities
>>4759184One of the hanafuda games explicitly says they can be passed down.You know what else we found out first about in a Hanafuda game? Potnia Therion existing and Illya having the Rhinegold as an "NP" in it.Deepest secret lore.
>>4759187Then again, Satsuki is basically the Dead Apostle Equivelant of a Cultivation Main Character.Give her like a year and she'll probably suplex ORT and Velber.
>>4759142If you liked F/SN you should really play F/HA. It's the perfect conclusion to the series and has some amazing moments.
>>4759191I mean yeah."Can be passed down." But the specifics are a complete unknown.
>>4759193and still no route
>>4759190I imagine it was like Crest rejection on steroids, where you are not just not a family member but have an opposite Foundation usage. Like a Black Magic/Witchcraft user trying to implant a Kabbalah Crest.
>This is about several claims and conceptions regarding Nerve Circuits, that stupid thing Shirou does. Some people believe they can be unlimited, or that you can get better at it, or that they are more efficient than Magic Circuits. This is usually done in fanfics to make Shirou's dumb mistake into an actually clever or powerful technique, but the truth is that it is none of those things. It is considered stupid, dangerous, and inefficient in the VN for a very good reason, and it only results in stunting one's magecraft.I think i remember reading somewhere (Prisma Illya?) that this can be a good idea but it's still stupid since you have a chance at killing yourself and it's extremely painful
>>4759199Disregard love for Tohno-kun.Acquire unlimited vampiric power.
>>4759165This is their big argument though. It's bullshit, but why would they include it unless they think it's true? And without it, the rest of the points they make regarding caster Gil are way less persuasive.>>4759166Very easy answer: Reality marbles require an alien mind to be created, but can be passed down. They probably result in the inheritor's mind being warped in a similar way.>>4759181The sentence I quoted LITERALLY says "which rather disproves the idea it's linked to his psyche". They think that it taking effort to manifest means that anyone could do it with enough effort, and that the alien mind is not required. But that's bullshit. You need an alien mind AND effort. And Rin saying his way of life is distorted seems like splitting hair.
>>4759197This is true. You think it could be like the idea of passing down a Foundation in "oral tradition" instead of a Crest? I think it was in some El Melloi thing it was discussed that its not usable with everything but it also makes it so you basically carry your Foundation with you, and don't get fucked if you move like when Makiri had to leave Russia.
update coming?Or done for the night?
>>4759201>it's extremely painfulYou're a big guy.
>>4759187Actually reading through the RM section again I realized it played itself. Since Satsuki exists and at the end of the quote says:> rather disproves the idea it's linked to his psyche. If it were, the power would be instinctual, like with Psychics.
>>4759207It's coming, but the autism is wrapping me up like a covering blanket of procrastination.>They probably result in the inheritor's mind being warped in a similar way.The one time we see a Reality Marble (Beast King) be "passed down" it ends up driving the person who inherits it absolutely insane and they need to be put down by Shiki. So yeah, very not good.
>>4759204Taxonomically, Kiritsugu's Time Alter Field is a Reality Marble. Really. I think it may be basically put into a Crest because you...already put Spell Protocols into the Crest and those are bullshit.A high end example of whats possible, of course its a bit of an outlier but you get the idea, is that Douman rendered his corpus and soul as Spell Protocols and this let him eat Gods without melting from eating Authorities.I can totally buy it that Crest-Spell Protocols can do something like pass down a RM.
Oh wait, TATARI too, that's also a Reality Marble we see passed down to Sion TATARI.AND IT TURNS HER INTO A FUCKING LUNATIC.Basically, don't pass down your Reality Marble. It will go bad.
>>4759201Illya does that once even making almost every part of her body a conduit to magic or something.It almost kills her even with the regen form the stick.
>>4759215Ah whatever its too late for this for me. I can't actually look at shit and not see something else. Timezones.
>>4759214>>4759216Yep, that's exactly what I'd expect to happen if Reality Marbles really are linked to one's faculties. FAQ can't be trusted, confirmed.>>4759215Yeah, we know Reality Marbles can be inherited. The discussion is what this means about them requiring an alien mindset to be created.And I don't think Kerry's Time Alter is a full Reality Marble, but it's possibly something similar, localised into his own body instead of being projected outwards.
>>4759216I can't understand why anyone would think handing their kid the keys to a weaponized manifestation of their inner world is a good idea.Maybe it's the Magus obsession of preserving magecraft, even if it's specific to only one person's mindset?
>>4759219I dunno anymore.
>>4759232>"wizards, no sense of right or wrong"
>>4759232Mages are horrible people, and anyone who creates a reality marble is also insane on top. They probably think it's good that their heir will inherit their mindset for sure.
>>4759236that stop mattering when nasu made the servantverse canon.Everything is canon now, nothing in prisma is as retarded as some things in FGO.
>>4759243Prisma is canon in that its a different Tree of Time as FGO Event has them come over. But it also necessitated that they come over through a specific RM that makes them compatible with that Tree's rules or something, and their Ruby has to recalibrate Class Cards because they don't work in that Tree normally.
>>4759246Then its canon, things cant be half-canon, christ.The nasuverse is already a multiverse.
>>4759232Nasu says that Tokiomi would think that Dark Sakura and Jewel Sword Rin killing each other is a great outcome, as they reached their potential.Magi are pieces of shit most of the time.
>>4759252Yes? I didn't disagree, I literally say its canon. Just multiverse parts have different rules so not all rules may be cross applicable.
>>4759252>>4759246So this... is the power of needing to try to make your flagship gachashit game canon at all costs despite all the parody characters running around...
>>4759256Why the fuck did Zelretch liked him again? Why did Rin like him? The Tohsaka are supposed to be the good ones
>>4759259I kinda like the serious lore parts of Servant Universe, like the cultural sphere Earth Mother Goddess lore, Ether proliferation and revolution of Eras etc.
Suzuka is OP as fuck now btw.
>>4759261Rin was too young to know any better, and I think she did kinda hate him for giving away her beloved sister. And I thought Zelretch didn't like Tokiomi, but the Tohsaka founder.
>>4759257I guess.>>4759256Is space Tokiomi the only one that is not a very bad parent? fuck
>>4759261Zelretch didn't like him. Zelretch liked Nagato, Tokiomi's Ancestor. Rin was a kid and he was her father, take a guess. After Nagato was given some stuffs Zel didn't bother with the Tohsakas. I think its even said that Rin lives a happier life without Tokiomi than with him? Maybe just something I heard.
>>4759265Whats her powerlevel in our group of overpowered waifus?
>>4759262Yeah, but it's used for nothing but funny parody star wars reference brrrrrrrrrrr look at this idol! Look at this Mecha reference!Then they made the Greeks the mecha all along.
>>4759265>X is OP as fuck nowThis should be the motto for today.
>>4759262Servantverse is fine, its actually seems more fun and with shit to explore than FGO.I would like a game set on it, maybe show how MHX and MHXA's fight has gone, whats space emperor gilgamesh is doing, etc.
>>4759266He liked the Tohsaka in general for being the family who weren't psychos
>>4759269>I think its even said that Rin lives a happier life without Tokiomi than with him? Maybe just something I heard.Interesting.I wonder if that takes Kirei into account.
>>4759265Making characters op as fuck is my fav part of this quest.The best one so far being Mredusa imo.
>>4759273Its like he took the silliest parts of the servantverse and put it on the normal FGO one.>"lol, the greeks gods are discount megazords and Zeus would be the dick of the robot."
>>4759273But what if Capitalism being a Foreigner making potential God refers to the Law of Consumption the Human Order is founded upon and its only a Foreigner like how Space Rhongo is one as the Tower at the End or Voyager? I still carry my hope with me that more good stuff can come of it. If good things come of it the other stuff can be excused.
>>4759273But What, you're just talking about fgo.None of that is exclusive to the Servant Universe.
>>4759279Tokiomi was a psycho though. Maybe he was just the bad apple of the family, the first who tried to become the traditional asshole magus? Or maybe Zelretch just kept watching for decades, hoping the family would be restored to the ideals of the founder?
>>4759279Well, psycho. Kinda yes.About Nagato"This student Zelretch took during his journey was mediocre, cold, and bipolar. Even Zelretch exclaimed "Hey, are you crazy or something?" However, Nagato was a good man who is "willing to sacrifice himself for a better future". He wasn't evil but he may be weird.
>>4759265We did good avoiding the meme option>>4759280Kirei was never even around on a personal basis, he just taught Rin and did Christmas stuff for her, he straight up left Rin, a little child, with her brain damaged mother, not even cause he wanted to torture her and make her suffer, he just didn't wanna deal with her
>>4759289The explanation was that as a kid he was initiated into magecraft and he absolutely loved it 150%, even though he had mediocre talent. So he worked 20 times as much to be good, and becasue he grew up like that and desired and wanted to be a good father to his daughters, but the only way he conceptualized it is by making them happy. Happiness to him was magecraft. This meant that he wanted to make them magi to be happy, he was just an autist who only loved magecraft and his daughters that much and lived uber hardcore so he autisted it up.RIP Tohsakas.
>>4759290You kinda have to be mental to be a student or clinger on of Zelretch, he’s famous for breaking apprentices
>>4759292I like the theory that he wasted all her money just for kicks.
>>4759290>he may be weird.This is basically everyone except like, Waver.And even then, he's got the whole secret longing for his Bara conquerer bf going on.
Wait Shirou is supposed to be an amnesiac?
>>4759295So yeah, he was the first Tohsaka traditional asshole magus. His father should have walloped him more.
>>4759300I'm REALLY looking forward to giving him his dude back.
>>4759280Fate Zero Mats"In the eyes of young Rin, her father Tokiomi was a great magus who must be respected and loved, but as for the coldheartedness that accompanied the ideal, that was a negative aspect of his personality that she failed to understand.If Tokiomi had survived until the time when Rin could have really understood her father’s personality, it would certainly have deeply affected the development of her own personality. Whether she would oppose that inhumanity and leave the path of thaumaturgy, or whether she would become a “perfect and coldhearted” witch like her father – no matter which one, this parallel world, for Rin, would certainly be one far away from happiness. "Also, didn't Zero really have a different Tokiomi than SN? Because SN Toki did stuff like set the clocks back as a prank or am I brainrotting.
>>4759302He's not, he purposely doesn't think about pre fire because he's not the same person anymore and because it's too painful to think about
>>4759289You do realize that the Tohsaka took one of Luvia's ancestors during the third war. They were always assholes except for the one trained by the vampire. Even then Tokiomi was considered a soft magus because he didn't kill Sakura but let her get adopted to an ally.Rin is a better person because she wasn't raised by him.
>>4759313>>4759315Yeah didn't think so. Some of those responses p above were confusing.
>>4759317Do we even know if luvia's ancestor came or was took? Its not impossible she just wanted some japanese dick.
>>4759317It was never confirmed what happened, it's more likely that she just got seduced
>>4759317Took her? I thought it was a normal marriage, or as normal as marriage can be between mages?
>>4759328If it was normal marriage then she wouldn't have disappeared. Plus magi are born with loyalty towards there family. That's like expecting Luvia or Rin to share there family secrets with Shiro even if he could do it it wouldn't happen.So you expect me to believe she didn't return her crest or tell her family what she was doing?Plus she disappeared during the war and suddenly the Tohsaka have gemcraft, that's bullshit.This ain't FSN where Shirou had connections to everyone prior and Rin was soft. This would have been closer to FS/Z where everyone peeped so seduction is unlikely.
>>4759349Amend this not born but indoctrinated with loyalty to there family.
>>4759349>Rin to share there family secrets with Shiro even if he could do it it wouldn't happen.Gem Sword Replication lmao.Anyway, she probably wasn't kidnapped or anything because Crests are retard hard to get stuff out of. Edelfelts were going around stealing shit after mercenary work so I think they knew how to prevent it, and we dont see other than Touko making Crest Farms.Crests can stop you even from suiciding iirc, so they can prob protect against being mindfucked too, even good Circuits do that. Torturing a magus for secrets of family is lmao.
>>4759355>Crests are retard hard to get stuff out of.Maybe if you're a brainlet.
>>4759349We know marriages between magus families happen. We know cases where the family heir betrayed the family traditions. More than one in the Case Files. Absent more evidence, I don't find it hard at all to believe she eloped with her Japanese beau, or that she taught what she knew to her own child.
>>4759355>Crests can stop you even from suiciding iirc,Really? But yeah, unless you're Touko, you can't do shit with Magic Crests and even Touko needed to do work arounds and spend some cash to figure it out, the Tohsaka only got really good with Rin and Sakura
>>4759355It's hard if you aren't a blood relation. All they have to do is get a child then transfer the crest and they get all the knowledge. Besides we know several characters can take crests considering the clocktower do it.
Screw it. You're going to apply a concept to her, and she basically told you to pick one for yourself, so that's exactly what you'll do. You have just about ten seconds before Vritra actually reaches the blue barrier, so you may as well, right? You've already got contact with Suzuka, so you begin to flow your Magical Energy into her body, and after ten seconds, you indeed enter into a visualization of her conceptual world, and after a short amount of wandering around the strange shifting conceptual landscapes, you find basically what you're looking for. Namely, her three beloved swords. It doesn't take very long to find all three of the weapons, carefully taken care of and stacked neatly in a rack.You are very careful with the three blades, and you lay your hand on the rack of swords. There's no doubt that these three weapons are about the closest you can get to the core of Suzuka Gozen, unless she really does think of herself as a JK and you should've grabbed the cellphone that you saw lying on the floor. But that's very much unlikely. She only thinks of herself as a JK in the first place because of her current standards for the era. If she was summoned sixty years ago she'd have an entirely different obsession... You should still buy her a phone at some point though, even if you don't technically need it. Having at least one of your allies who you can actually rely on to use technology is something of tremendous value. Perhaps more so than even her Noble Phantasms! ...That was a joke, you don't want to devalue how much you appreciate Suzuka for just her Noble Phantasms alone. Those three blades of hers have turned an almost unavoidable defeat into a battle that you very much have a chance at winning. If she can disable ELIXIR then that will give you a chance at actually fighting the... Beast Class Servant... Right, well, no use getting windy about it now.Still, with these blades in your hands, you start to think of just what sort of concept should be granted to Suzuka... You spend a few seconds thinking before settling on a concept. You've half a mind to actually apply 'JK' to her just to see what would end up happening, but you feel like it would either do nothing, or make things very very silly indeed. No, there's a better concept to apply to somebody like Suzuka, the concept of "Self-Determination." So with that in mind, you imbue the blades with that concept, and as a result, imbue the entirety of Suzuka's being with the concept of being able to make your own choices. The concept of Self-Determination including not just the ability to make whatever your own choice is, but also the actual Determination to go through with whatever that choice was!
>>4759359The problem with your reasoning is this was during a deathwatch. In my opinion fate zero is more what to expect from a bunch of different people who don't know eachother.The heir would have to be seduced while fighting a war that lasts two weeks. Also eloping with a young magecraft family from the boonies. Very very difficult to believe.>>4759355The sword was a special case she only wipes out because of how dire the situation was and it was to save Sakura. She doesn't bust it out in another ending.
>>4759360I think its from a timeline where Flauros/Lev offs himself and its weird to magi."I'm telling you, such a motive is impossible. There's a fundamental issue. Magi can't kill themselves that simply to begin with.""Ah. ...right. Because of the magic crest, it's difficult to take your own life because of mental illness"I guess this means suicide is prevented in general until you pass the Crest on, so one suicider doesnt end the line even if they want to.
You fade out from the world, and find yourself staring at Suzuka once again, she's looking even more shocked now, and you understand just what your changes have done to her body.[Status Updated!]Good grief, you weren't expecting her to be this strong! That's frankly... busted! Your ability to manipulate concepts has obviously increased in strength as of recent, but this is just insane! "Master... That... Wasn't what I expected, when you said that you could make me stronger." Suzuka speaks in an uncharacteristically serious tone as she comes to terms with the changes you made to her very being with your powers."It feels odd, doesn't it? Not unpleasant, but... strange... Like your whole existence is improved." Vritra speaks to Suzuka, before she prods at your legs to tell you that you should probably get off of her now. You unhook your legs from the tall Dragon Woman. "There's no doubt about it, my sweet rider's abilities are something that definitely shouldn't exist. But at the same time, I'm truly grateful for him for using them on me." Vritra has a happy tone in her voice as you clamber off of her back and let Suzuka back down to ground to stand by herself, and she speaks."Yes... It's strange, I will say that, but... with this power... I've been granted the chance to make my own choices, for reals." She... definitely still has some JK speech in her voice. "Like, he's pretty much the best human of all, right? So that means I should like totally make him my-!"You cough into your hand loudly to interrupt Suzuka. No. Not doing this right now. "Suzuka, this barrier here, I think that it's linked directly to ELIXIR, do you think you can hack into the system from here?" You get the fox eared girl back on topic. No need to make things too complicated just yet. You're already going to need to explain these two girls to Sakura when you see her again. Sakura and Medea, they definitely deserve explanations."Oh... Well, like... probably? Yeah, probably. Why, what do you want me to do when I start uh... hacking it?" Suzuka asks, and you take a deep breath.>"I want you to attempt to fully disable it.">"I want you to attempt to usurp control of it.">"I want you to disable all of its offensive abilities.">"I want you to disable both the offensive functions and the time dilation.">"I want you to set it to self destruct while also teleporting us to the anchor point.">Write-in...
>>4759372"I want you to attempt to usurp control of it
last update right? Feels like we can big brain this
>>4759367>The sword was a special case she only wipes out because of how dire the situation was and it was to save Sakura. She doesn't bust it out in another ending.To be fair, HF was sort of the perfect storm for her wielding the Gem Sword. It couldn't be forged in Fate, because Shirou is a Tracelet in Fate.It can't be forged in UBW because DR GILGAMESH IS IN THE HOUSE and there's no Illya available.HF is the only route where Shirou has both the ability to trace well enough, and it's also one with Illya around to memory copy.Rin just never brings it up in those two routes because that would just be completely blueballing the reader and bad writing.
>>4759377Mmmmmm, I may or may not be able to do one more update.But I'll need to make myself suffer to do so and call in 40 minutes.Do you want it to be big brain time or not?
>>4759372>"I want you to set it to self destruct while also teleporting us to the anchor point."As much as I want it I don't think she can usurp it. Better to win this without a fight or at the very least taking away home field advantage.
>>4759372>"I want you to attempt to fully disable it."
>Determination of Steel: EX>Through the concept of Self-Determination, this skill has been gained. This skill represents the Mental Determination that is required to make your own choices. Representing the further empowered willpower of the woman who pretended to be another man's wife for years in order to weaken him enough so that she could kill him, all the while she was separated from the one she truly loved. This skill allows for a complete blockade of the sense of pain, allowing for a superhuman mind and body that is capable of withstanding ultra high-speed activities, including that of high speed thought. In combination with her Noble Phantasms, this skill increases her total calculatory power by a massive amount. This skill also combines the effects of the Valor and Calm and Collected skills. Despite having a higher raw calculatory ability though, without drawing on Blessing of Wisdom, she still acts the exact same, like a computer that has its hardware upgraded but still runs on the same software. >Determination of Self: EX>Through the concept of Self-Determination, this skill has been gained. This skill represents the Physical Determination that is required to make your own choices. Representing one who can determine exactly how they manifest. This skill allows for an almost unrestricted level of Shapeshifting, any form can be taken, height can be changed, as can weight, muscle density, the proportions of the body, hairstyle and color, etc. Due to this skill switching between a true physical body and the body of a Servant is possible, as is removing and reacquiring something like Divinity at will and this skill can also be used to heal from nearly any wound simply through taking on an unwounded form. Shapeshifting into opponents and copying them in almost every regard is possible but... "I'd much prefer staying me, kay? So don't expect me to start turning into other people!" huh.
>all those determination skillsdamn, she's like a shounen protag with unlimited potential>>4759381You haven't slept enough the last 2 days so you should take a rest.
I don't see how >"I want you to attempt to fully disable it." and >"I want you to disable both the offensive functions and the time dilation." are different.
Usurp Control would be best buuut...something feels dangerous about it.
>>4759381Fuck big brain let's take a break from that
Priorities:>Disable offensive abilities AND time dilationOffensive abilities are absolutely necessary. Time dilation allows us to gather our party.>Fully disable itWould be nice. I don't believe it's possible, it would be too easy.>Usurp control.Would be VERY nice. I don't believe it's possible, it would be too easy.>Self-destruct.Would be too easy. Also, almost certainly results in a dead end that breaks the tectonic plate in half.Thoughts?We should also tell her to seal her divinity before entering, we didn't mention Orochi's abilities so far.And reading her char-sheet, we did good for her too. Nice work folks.>>4759367Even in zero there was the time when three kings sat down for a nice little chat while their masters watched. Deathmatches are overrated.As for how it might have happened? Edelfedt's lose. One sister killed, the other injured. Local Japanese hunk magus takes in his opponent and nurses her back to health instead of dissecting her for her secrets. Sparks fly.Total headcanon that I just made up, and it fits with the previous Tohsaka generations not being total psychos.
>>4759381Nah, let's do this now.
>>4759391Hopeman's special skill managed to make an appearance, at least.I'm more surprised you didn't pick up on her Mystic Eyes.
>>4759399We just buffed her to shit. If she can't even fully disable it I'd be very disapointed.Take it over not being possible I can buy, but not disableing it.
>>4759403I did. Poor Shiki, we got him over here for one specific thing and he won't even get to do that at all.
>>4759399I am trying to think of how usurpation could fuck us but I dont think Orochi could've guessed we'd summon the perfect Hacker.Can Suzuka emphasize her demon/oni nature as Orochi seems to hate that.
>>4759403Pretty busted, poor shiki
Her most bullshit ability is to copy mystic eyes she has seen. Shiki is about to lose his utility.
>>4759394Well they are.Fully disabling it disables ALL the systems.Disabling time dilation and offensive functions... doesn't.
>>4759399I'm afraid that if we disable offensive and time dilation then Orochi says fuck it and summons whatever he has
>>4759403>Determination of Self allows her to replicate the effects of any Mystic Eyes she has seen since gaining this skill.That seems... incredibly unfair.
>>4759404I say we tell her to disable what we absolutely need first, namely offense and dilation, and then to keep working on crashing the system entirely.>>4759406Usurpation is greedier and more difficult than simple crashing. Greed is bad, therefore usurpation is bad. Let's keep it simple. We can have Para build us a new supercomputer later.>>4759410Probably. And then we just have to stall for time while our allies rush to our side. It'll be fun.
>>4759403With this, Suzuka can take over Shiki Duties.Wait. Can we memoryshare with her and show her all the mystic eyes we saw like Fujino's (in isekai)and Medusa's and Shiki's? Both ShikisOr is it only actually seeing.
>>4759399Depends on how we self-destruct it. Remember the fire chamber shunt, just that on a large scale.
>>4759412This bitch just replaced Shiki
>>4759412>>4759408>>4759405I changed the ability slightly.Now she's limited to Jewel Rank.Otherwise she's just better Shiki.
>>4759417If it worked for shirou it should work for her too
>All these incredibly overpowered evil women lusting over Shinji's dick.Hope we enjoy micromanaging them for the rest of time, because holy shit the damage they can do if they get mad.
>>4759372>>"I want you to attempt to fully disable it."Taking control seems too good to be true, we need to shut it down, at least it gives us options to do stuff for later and doesn't let Orochi summon what he has to get a boost
>>4759417And Ophelia's ME of Event Pinning, and Kuramitsu's Future Calculation eyes...
>>4759372>"I want you to attempt to fully disable it."No way take control would work.
>First of all, I want you to use your new powers to seal your Divinity so that Orochi does not affect you.>When you hack it, I want you to disable both the offensive functions and the time dilation as your first priority.>After doing that, try to fully disable it.Any improvements we can make to the above?>>4759419Fire chamber shunt was the system working as designed. The system blowing up means the energy has nowhere to go.>>4759421Honestly, I wouldn't mind if you took it out entirely. She's busted enough with everything else she got. And determination doesn't quite fit with copying eyes.
>>4759423Sakura will straight up eat all of Asia if we rejected her, she still might go nuclear
>>4759427Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are literally the only Rainbow Ranked eyes we've ever seen.It's all that this poor bastard has.
>>4759415I think she can usurp but the problem is keeping it afterwards. She likely to be indisposed while keeping control like Orochi. Rather a fire and forget option.>>4759409If we choose to self destruct can we send all the energy through the neutron star?
>>4759434Ask her if she can bring her an Oni/Demon nature in herself. Orochi is shitting to not have demonshit touch him.
>>4759434It's more the fact that she just has practically unlimited shape shifting powers and copying eyes aren't really something that she really considers crossing a line.
>>4759437Just for this we're memorysharing Viy's and Musashi's busted eyes.
>>4759437He doesn't even get exclusive possession of them.
>>4759434She doesn't have to seal her divinity if she can become even partially human using her shape shifting skill.
>>4759440>First of all, I want you to use your new powers to seal your Divinity so that Orochi does not affect you, and give yourself a Demonic aspect. Orochi seems to hate those.>When you hack it, I want you to disable both the offensive functions and the time dilation as your first priority.>After doing that, try to fully disable it.>>4759442I don't see Mystic Eyes as the same as her other shape shifting. For example, Self-Modification can't give you Mystic Eyes, can it? You're the QM though, won't argue further.>>4759450Can't become human if we have her become a demon. It's not like divinity does anything for her.
>>4759449Yeah, and the other shiki gets to secretly be omnipotent too!Totally unfair.All Tohno gets is scuffed assassin training where he can sometimes speedblitz anything in existence depending on how the plot feels.
>>4759434Also we don't know if it's specific to just the fire chamber. For all we know there is one in every chamber. Why not have all of them detonate. Hell we don't even know if the self destruct is an explosion or an impulsion.Plus if we don't disable everything who knows what surprises he has built in aside from what we know. If we don't shut it down he could just activate the self destruct as his last move. This is the one chance we can surprise him with this.
>>4759437Crimson moon is a thing but yeah
>>4759455Self-Mod EX is what let BB make herself an uber Goddess and taake Potnia Therion. Its busted as fuck a skill.
>>4759455It's basically a broken variant of Self-Modification.
>>4759459It's certainly not specific to the fire chamber. He had 4 overflow rooms, I bet each of them has a similar function. But it's an active function as we saw. Self-destruct implies big boomI agree we should fully disable it. That's why I'm telling her to focus on the most important functions we know first, and then crash everything else.
>>4759461Yes, but we've not seen Crimson Moon in person.Or Balor, for that matter.
>>4759461Balors Death Eyes are Authority grade too. Dont know what Musashi Empyrean Eye counts as.
>>4759467True. What are Musashi's Empyrean and Viy's ones ranked? Cant find it.
Shinji is the ultimate support character we really should make some time to make him combat capable. All he has is incomplete CMA and reinforcement. Against scrubs that's nice but top tier would rip him.Anyone up for runic guns or living ink familiars that spell ruins for us. Maybe we can learn matou magecraft and use it to manipulate circulation to create bruises that spell runes. Goddamn it anything to become more combat capable.I'm thinking other arcs will mix it up and have Shinji rely less on diplomacy to make things interesting.
>>4759467Question: Are we moving to combat immediately after this, right?
>>4759470Honestly, I can't find them either, so... probably Jewel?Though Suzuka will need to actually physically see them, a memory share won't work for her copying abilities unlike Shirou.
>>4759472Just do the dragonblood ritual and maybe we can badger Touko into teaching us Original Runes and learning Mana Burst for our new dragonheart. Other than that there are a lot of Servants to maybe learn from?
>>4759478Almost certainly.There's not many votes yet, so are you CERTAIN you don't want to let me go to bed?
>>4759481So whats left to use is...Cybele and Betty Gravity Eyes? Can she have 1 of each for OP?
>>4759484There's not really much to discuss.Mostly everyone here wants her to disable it.
>>4759484You can sleep imo. We may need to think. I think there was a speculation to use our CS at the Crystal to demonaids it somehow? If our CS beecame demons and thats why its multiplying/moving.
>>4759486Sure.Also SHIKI has his own Mystic Eyes too.
>>4759491Do you mean Roa's life perception eyes or whatever or the Pure Eyes?
absolute best case scenario would be fully taking control which probably isn't happening, Orochi and Paracelsus would notice, shutting it down seems easier and won't make him eat any amalgam Gods earlier
>>4759372>"First of all, I want you to use your new powers to seal your Divinity so that Orochi does not affect you, and give yourself a Demonic aspect. Orochi seems to hate those.">"When you hack it, I want you to disable both the offensive functions and the time dilation as your first priority.">"After doing that, try to fully disable it.">The moment the barrier goes down, throw the runecancer array into the central chamber as a distraction.>The moment the time dilation goes down, use Tamamo's sticker to contact your allies.>"I'm fine. Orochi shifted base to Imaginary Number Space. Entrance 1km away. Come fast, fighting. Do NOT destabilize the anchor or we're left drifting."New and improved version. Can't think of anything else.>>4759484Not a bad point for overnight autism, I'll concede.
>>4759490Or CS boost Suzuka. Shes immune to mindfuck amyway so Orochi cant even hijack her.CS Boost Suzuka to Usurp it?
>>4759494Yeah, he inherited Roa's Life Perception eyes.
>>4759490>>4759499I don't trust our command seals around the creator of the system, even if they're screwy.
>>4759498I think we can use a CS Boost for Suzuka here, maybe even lets her Usurp it. Shes immune to mental fuckery now so cant be hijacked even if Orochi can backhack CS
>>4759499QM kinda warned us and its kinda freaking me out so i wanna say yes but lets say no
>>4759504Suzuka Determination makes her pretty immune to anything they could fuck us with. It s a new thing too.
>>4759507I took the warning as opposite that without extra like CS its not enough.
>>4759506We don't really know what he can do with command seals, if anything. Might not be as simple as mental fuckery. I'm absolutely certain usurpation won't work, even if we use our opponent's area of expertise to strengthen her.>>4759509What about us? Random thought, but what if using a command seal in his presence blows up our arm WITH all command seals we have?
>>4759513I honestly think our CS are too weird and something fucked is with them. Still on the Demon Seals theory.
>>4759517I think they're too weird to, but we haven't studied them at all. We have no idea what's going on with them. I'd rather not risk it.
OK yeah, I need to sleep.Congratulations on fucking up the SERAPHIX singularity this time.
>>4759387>>4759424>>4759432>>4759501>>4759509>>4759376>>4759382>>4759465>>4759498Disabling it wins.
>>4759522Yay us!And goodnight!
>>4759372Switching from:>>4759382To:>>4759498Why don't we just set a timed self destruct and have is teleported out. Have the anchor severed and have it self destruct within the imaginary number space.
>>4759522Guess we can spend all night big braining it
>>4759525Timed self destruct leaves him in control for the final moments. Having the anchor severed probably allows him to time travel. He moves to prehistoric earth and blows up the planet.
>>4759526That would be nice.
Oh also, it might be an idea to start thinking of conceptual upgrades for some of your other Servants.At this rate, they're really going to need them to keep up with Vritra and Suzuka.
>>4759538Gonna add Sword to EMIYA, make it Sword2
>>4759538Magic or Words or Dragon for Medea. Magic is obv, Word for super Divine Words and Dragon for chad ultra magical energy.
>>4759542Maybe Medea gets Universal/Original Language
While sakura's face when we just spawn back after some seconds with 2 cute woman, i want to see gilgamesh's face when we come back with extremely busted servants.and BB's face when we got another based hacker>>4759542Maybe multicasting?
>>4759538One thing at a time. There's a finite amount of autism to go around.Now, regarding our command seals: We earlier decided we didn't trust them, and that's why we didn't summon Medea and Chiyome. If we revisit the decision and decide we do trust them after all, we should summon them both in addition to boosting our supa hacka.I still don't trust them though.
>>4759548I got the perfect one for a Greek Witch in nasuland.Mystery.
>>4759558What's this, the concept of Booba?
>>4759538I think we should start with Medea. Surely theres some sort of concept that could perhaps improve her magic. Trying to think of one currently.The only word thats coming to my mind currently is “Divine” which I think we already used once on some booze if memory is right. Not even certain if Divine would fit Medea. Probably not in all honesty.(I’m not that great with coming up with this stuff it seems)
>>4759558Kinda wanna add Rebellion on her as she is defined by Rebellion
>>4759554Evil Witch of Mystery? I like it.Arete would fit a Greekoid nicely too. Either Medea or Alcides.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arete>Arete (Greek: ἀρετή) is a concept in ancient Greek thought that, in its most basic sense, refers to "excellence" of any kind. The term may also mean "moral virtue". In its earliest appearance in Greek, this notion of excellence was ultimately bound up with the notion of the fulfillment of purpose or function: the act of living up to one's full potential.>The term from Homeric times onwards is not gender specific. Homer applies the term to both the Greek and Trojan heroes as well as major female figures, such as Penelope, the wife of the Greek hero Odysseus. In the Homeric poems, Arete is frequently associated with bravery, but more often with effectiveness. The person of Arete is of the highest effectiveness; they use all their faculties—strength, bravery, and wit—to achieve real results. In the Homeric world, then, Arete involves all of the abilities and potentialities available to humans.>In some contexts, Arete is explicitly linked with human knowledge, where the expressions "virtue is knowledge" and "Arete is knowledge" are used interchangeably. The highest human potential is knowledge and all other human abilities are derived from this central capacity. If Arete is knowledge and study, the highest human knowledge is knowledge about knowledge itself; in this light, the theoretical study of human knowledge, which Aristotle called "contemplation", is the highest human ability and happiness.
hey remember how we need to purge Grail Mud? Medea Lily has an NP called Pain Breaker that can apparently turn curses and injuries to zero
>>4759541Nyet, Sword II.
>>4759566Just give her Mystery. Its very magic and its a Greek word. And Mystery Cults for mystery preservation in nasu
>>4759569Arete would be better for Alcides and maybe blunt his edge with virtues. Medea fits Mystery imo.Maybe some sword concept for EMIYASun for Tamamo? Or would that turn her into Ama...
We should add Utopia to Artoria, cause Avalon u see
>>4759582Yeah, I certainly agree about the Greekoids.I think EMIYA would do better with something other than SWORDSWORDSWORD for once, but I can't figure out what.Sun probably bad for Tamamo, yes.
>>4759582Sun is gonna turn her into Amaterasu anon
>>4759563I mean, we dodged Lancer Alter, and I really doubt Saber is gonna let us Concept her. Let me dream.Lancer Artoria is how she would have ended up if she hadn't taken Excalibur, right?
>>4759588For Tamamo I kinda want something to do with Taoists. Onmyodo is basically taoist magic that got japanized and shes a Yakan jackal and she was also Daji.
>>4759591>the small 2 just becomes a big 2the fuck
>>4759594Onmyodo being what her magic/cursecraft looks like to me.
>>4759498Maybe add for then to not attack the JK or the gyaru.
If we add Wisdom to Cu he's probably gonna turn into Odin, don't know if that's the smartest idea. Sasaki should get Infinity though i think i remember QM saying that it wouldn't work and we might die
>>4759596yeah i tried to do it too, guess i gotta settle with Sword^2 or 2word
>>4759594I think we should figure out what to add for her to tap into the full strength of Amaterasu without turning into an evil of humanity, we accidently figured it out with Sakura, we should figure it out with Tamamo
>>4759600I think they'll figure out on their own that those next to us who are not attacking us are our allies. If not, we can tell them then. I'm trying to keep the message brief, I assume we'll be under fire at the time. Orochi will probably summon his remaining servants when the time dilation drops too.>>4759602I don't want to kill Cu and replace him with Odin. WhatIs said that something vast like Infinity would kill us unless it was INCREDIBLY compatible with who we applied it to, like Asha was with Vritra.
>>4759609Something to divorce herself from the will and Eras of Humanity. Let me get thhe quote.
>>4759610ok yeah then Infinity with Sasaki, that's literally his entire deal, tap into Infinity
>>4759610Sasaki literally had Infinity in GO when he duelled Musashi's Zero and they would go at it forever if an observer doesnt decide. Dude is perfect for it.
>>4759619later nigga, he went to bed
>>4759615>>4759616I would like to remind you that we don't know who Sasaki's master is, and it's almost certainly Merlin. Too early to discuss concepts for him imho.>>4759619Tomorrow.
>>4759619I tried to write, but I'm too tired.If I can get more than 4-5 hours of sleep, my general ability to write quickly will shoot way up.
>>4759626>If I can get more than 4-5 hours of sleepIt'd help if you actually went to sleep when you say you go to sleep. Probably.
What exactly are you planning on doing if Illya's personality/memories aren't fine, by the way?
>>4759624>Karna come here for a sec>Sasaki I'll give you a power up if you tell us who your master is
>>4759626I thought you already went to sleep
>>4759634Yes, it probably would.Now have this cursed Illya while I go to sleep.
>>4759635Well we have three Casters here so they'll figure it out
>>4759635Dissect Ishtar on a bottle and give what Illya's missing back to her.It would feel slightly unfair though. There was absolutely nothing we could have done that was faster than what we actually did.
>>4759635Torture Ishtar, see if we can restore it somehow
>>4759612>>4759609I can't find it for some reason. It's when Hakuno get's dragged into Amaterasu's palace and she talks about what it means that she's a Solar Divinity thats also an Evil of Humanity.Basically they savour the ideation of humans in a given Era and conform themselves to it also to incite it. If the Era favours peace "Then let men be prosperous"and if an Era favours war "Then let men be driven, so that they may be slaughtered" Basically, joy, sorrow, suffering, hate, rage etc all have the same "Heat" value to Amaterasu (maybe Gods in general as worship fuel?). The Era has a direct effect on at least Ama's and Tamamo's manifestation supposedly, to the degree that she could change with the Era itself. So something to ground her as herself basically.
>>4759642I know, that's why she's just got a few hazy memories at most.
>>4759648>So something to ground her as herself basically.Identity?
>>4759652Based and Illyapilled
>>4759652Yay!We're still probing Ishtar to restore Illya to 100%. It will teach her some manners.
>>475965499/100 when the full story is relayed to her by the way.
>>4759648As an example of Tamamo getting closer to her full power in CCC, for how busted it seems to be:"Of course, I came flying faster than light!....The reversal of time is nothing special as well, just reduce to zero the distance from the Horsehead Nebula to this galaxy."That aramitama BTFO 100 HS and Arc on the Moon having a miniscule chance of taking Golden White Face because Moon Authority cuts her power into 1/6 may not have been hyperboles at all.
>>4759657Wasn't she already?Way more justified than Vritra or jk fox anyway. We've known Illya for years and did absolutely everything possible to make her life better. We've only done more for Sakura.
>>4759660She was part of the carnival date though.
>>4759659>Way more justified than Vritra or jk fox anyway.You continue to be cursed as fuck. We did basically "fix" the lives of Vritra and Suzuka too, enabling one to feel true happiness and giving them eternity and the other to actually be happy with herself rather than getting lost in a role that has probably been going on for nearly an eternity because atemporal Throne, and this change being multiversal too.
>>4759659Servants tend to be way easier to get to fall for you because they are summoned with the full expectation that they will be living a temporary ephemeral existence. Or they see it as a second chance etc.
>>4759657What's Ciel and Rin’s score>>4759659Suzuka falls in love extremely easily, it's actually in character for her, though yeah I woulda liked it better if it took more effort for Vritra but then again we straight up gave her empathy
>>4759661So was Medusa and that was before we went to fetch her at the prison
>>4759662>You continue to be cursed as fuck.Explain.And I continue to be unnerved by the speed with which new girls decide to jump our dick. They could have different reactions some times, you know.
>>4759665This will be my last Illya.Gute nacht.>>4759664>What's Ciel and Rin’s scoreToo tired to reveal nowGotta sleep.
>>4759668DAMN IT I WAS TOO LATE
>>4759663I don't remember all that many servants falling in love during a grail war. And all of them took way more effort than what we've been doing. I'm legit beginning to worry about Beloved of Alaya. And it's not just Servants either.
>>4759635Torture ishtar to see if she can fix itLet her be fucked by horses to death.Find a way to erase her from the root without the world getting angry.
>>4759668We need to headpat her a lot.
>>4759677Most people in grail wars don't introduce themselves by touching the deepest layer of your existence and improving your existence.
>>4759667You say we did more for Illya. By my reckoning "fixing" and making hapy ONE servant multiversally is more good than all our helping of Rin, Sakura, Illya, as its a multiverse worth of people made happy, and also the chain reaction of situations being unfucked .Truth Chiyome means a nearly infinite Chiyomes are vaaastly happier and for everry summon to eternity. Enkidu is immortal and can do his bromance with Gil as long as he wants and isnt cursed to die by Gods, multiversally.Suzuka doesnt have to get lost in a role if she doesnt want...but she can also perfectly get into it without a lingering doubt at the back of her kind, multiversally. etcI think you are ultra underestimating the effects of our actions. This is changing on the Throne amd every extant iteration. In amy temporal directionVritra is just so eternal as fuck and can recognize that without us, she would have NEVER felt true happiness, metaphysically.I rate these as much higher than a single human lifetimes worth of "helping"
>>4759677How many Masters in a typical war aren't evil, worthless, or a corpse though?
>>4759421Up to Jewel, eh?
>>4759677Saber fell for Shirou, Archer had too much of a murder boner to notice Rin but he still had feelings for Saber, Bazett is in love with Lancer and Lancer fucks anything that moves, Rider loves Sakura and Shirou, Caster loves Kuzuki, False Assassin was stuck on stairs, True Assassin was a retard for a good chunk of the war and Berserker was a father to Illya. Seems like it's easy for them to fall in love
>>4759687If we did nothing but summon and fix Servants, we would do more good thaan going full Saver for 10,000 years imo.
So we gonna set the casters to fix Illya and Kerry while Shinji goes to sleep after Orochi is done?Maybe we should scrap the dragon idea. We have three high-level casters maybe five if we can steal one. We should have them disect divinity and the other supernatural blood we have to see how to advance a human being. Maybe making a high-human/Primarch etc. Pretty sure Alaya would be enstatic if we can pull it off.
>>4759693Viy's and Musashi's are also Jewel according to WhatIs.
>>4759697*summoning and fix for a few days
>>4759697Ah yes, Servant Class Fixer.I am laying in bed.now to close my eyes and sleep.
>>4759569Arete is just Ancient Greek for BasedMedea, the Based Caster
>>4759687I think we've had a similar conversation before about the importance of intent vs outcome. I'm way too tired to go into this again.Way to tired to go into the oddities of our love life as well. I'll drop it after Ijust say that what we've been doing feels more like accidental brainwashing, when we're only trying to help. And I am for real becoming unnerved after the ease of today's additions to the harem. Beloved of Alaya and its unsealed effect is way too close to what's been happening for comfort.
>>4759687Our power really is retarded OP.
Can any servant make clones of themselves? Or is there magic for that?Because that might help with all the harem crap. A lot.
>>4759713Ok i can see where you're coming from with Vritra but i have no idea why you think Suzuka is a stretch, that's her whole deal
>>4759713I have 0 clue where you're getting that from and can't really engage in conversation with it as I have no idea how to start or what you even think.So uh. Lets ignore each other in this.
>>4759719Yeah, Suzuka isn't that much of a stretch. It's her entire character, true. Can't think properly atm.
>>4759722>>4759713Its seriously completely foreign and alien to me.
>>4759719Vritra doesn't know how to handle her new positive emotions very well, so she got overwhelmed by them about you.
>>4759730you have time to comment about dumb romance shit but not time to gib Rin and Ciel's score
>>4759716Carnival Moment thought - Shinji lets his inner shitposter out and applies temporary meme concepts to his allies>Avenger of Sneed
>>4759713You're just probably frustrated by recent devolpment autist. But giving the girls what they want is why they're falling for us in the first place. Its not exactly brainwashing but rather fulfilling their wishes and giving them an experience in life they never had before thats why most of them fell for us recently.
>>4759739straight up just granting them their wishes, i don't really wanna go through the whole list but majority of them make perfect sense
>>4759732We really need to remind qm about this tommorow. I'm quite curious on rin's score.>>4759748It really does make sense no argument about that. I am mostly pointing out to autist that his argument was a reach because of frustrations with recent developments.
if we're going through all the chambers, does this mean we get to summon at least 3 more servants?WHO'S READY?
Suzuka turned out to be really strong. I guess it was as fitting concept as we expected.>>4759372Going with >>4759498
How do we deal with Trichiliocosm’s limitations? Suzuka will almost certainly need to disengage from ELIXIR before having fully disabled or usurped it lest she gets unsummoned. Does she have means of gauging how long is too long and whether she can safely employ the ability again?
>>4759736>Archer of Jobbing
>>4760007Probably, and I hope if we get Obetheia (hope lalter) with us, we can buff suzuka up and maybe overcome the limitation
>>4759739Part of it is frustration at recent events, I can't deny it. The Shinjibowl was already bad enough, and manwhore Shinji has done plenty of things to make it worse today. But we explicitly avoided all manwhorish actions with Vritra. We purposely avoided complimenting her appearance when the option presented itself. Part of the Nigger's reasoning behind the riding plan was an effort to turn the relationship more comical than romantic. And it didn't work. We made the best decision available to us at all times, and it made things worse.But I'm mostly dreading future events. WhatIs confirmed Sakura would have a meltdown if the fate of the world wasn't on the line. I bet Medea's heart would break too, we've purposely done plenty to encourage her affections. It's all fun and games until a girl starts crying.In short, all my hope and optimism gone. Venting frustration. Ignore me if you wish.>>4760007She should be able to tell, yes. I expect she'll tell us she can't take it anymore, and we'll have the option to tell her to disengage or keep pushing in spite of the danger to herself. I hope we'll make the right choice. (And in case people misinterpret me, feeding her to the machine for a fleeting tactical advantage is not the right choice. I want happiness for everyone, even if I don't want the pokemon harem)
>>4760051>and it made things worse.>worseBetter.
>>4760051I don't know why you think become worse but sure let's just ignore each other.
>>4758988Suicide is a sin, go directly to Hell jannu
>>4760112She is been to hell and back and back to hell and back again.
>>4759372>"I want you to attempt to usurp control of it."
>>4760051>WhatIs confirmed Sakura would have a meltdown if the fate of the world wasn't on the lineOver what?
>>4759635dilate>>4759652does she remember being the village bicycle for all of Sumer?
>>4759687Now Enkidu gets to experience Gil's death and then break him out of the underworld
>>4760147If she has a meltdown over what we've been doing.. and will do. Well, RIP to her.. somebody will be sad, I guess.I really don't care about it anymore. It was too much oouh she will be sad.Even if its true, it burned out my care factor. Wanting hapiness for everyone? Ok. Spazzing over nooo dont make them happy/make yourself happy is a RIP. After having a good sleep, that is my new opinion.
>>4760158Enkidu gonna usurp Orpheus' legend, except less asking more busting heads.
>>4759713I told you before all this Suzuka was already likely head over heels considering her myth, our very obvious choice her her for this task considering we recounted her identity and full abilities to her, and that we'd already no selled her Mystic Eyes, which WhatIs then confirmed the next update. She's a very procedural character, she will always try to entrap her master with her eyes, then she either acts as if she loves them or genuinely falls for them to recreate her feelings for Otakemaru (facade of love) or her actual husband (genuine love)She's completely in character and isn't being mind raped dw, she's always this way. Go read Foxtail if you want, you'll see she also immediately falls for Kazuhito
>>4760161I think not helping people is evil if we are the only one who can do it.Being Saver is not an easy burden.
>>4760051We just have to continue treating Vrita as an assistant at most. No actual affections. Then let her drown in things money can buy to keep her occupied. Peak oblivious protag and annoucing pre-existing relationship with other grills infront of her to show her the already established connections.Sakura has the mother of Dragons/Life, Medea is also blessed by Dragons. Vrita can't sneed too hard at them on a conceptual level
>>4760168Problem with this is, I don't WANT to continue treating Vritra without affection etc. Its a plan I don't support. Fuck going oblivious with selective people again.If we ripped it of for Sakura, which I really regret, then dont just fuck others over.
Vrita's also a hardcore lesbo because she still has her original nature despite her currently female appearance. OG Vrit was bamboozled by the sneaky streetshitter Indra because of their love for pretty girls, and likely took on this form after the woman Indra sent.Let her scoop up the silver medal harem members even.>She might either be imitating Rambha, because of the anecdote where she was sent to him and he became a prisoner of her beauty and died according to Indra's scheme, or perhaps she became a beautiful woman to show off her determination to "never fall for Indra's cowardly tricks again".>Fundamentally, Vritra is an existence that transcends gender, and since their true nature won't change regardless of their gender, they merely possess a disposition as a female that would match with their current form as the Servant Vritra.She just doesn't have anyone else around her to be fixated on right now + we did just give her the ability to have a feeling so complicated>>4760171I wanted her to be a maid before she actually appeared in story desu. Haremchad with house full of extremely powerful Dragons as maids to show human supremacy over Tiamat's chosen children. But desu I'm more engaged by autism/theology etc. than waifuism so you guys go nuts, I don't mind if my relationship preferences aren't filled.
>>4760161I didn't really understand what QM said she would have a meltdown over, she has everything she wants now, she has a daughter and she's in a relationship with us, she won
>>4760174like half our love interests are bi, this plan works itself out
>>4760174>She just doesn't have anyone else around her to be fixated on right now + we did just give her the ability to have a feeling so complicatedAssumption out the ass, especially after changing the core of her existence/giving her actual positive feelings. Also a metaphysical change.Also>since their true nature won't change regardless of their genderThis doesn't refer to her gender in true nature, as it has nothing to do with her true nature. As an AoG era godlike being/dragon she is more of a System of Nature. That's what its referring to. She will always be an obstacle to humanity and a System first and foremost, than a person.You know.The thing we changed?
>>4760171Based and harem pilled. All this talk of a sakura meltdown yet no one is mentioning a sacchin meltdown.>>4760175Sakura wants to monopolize us to herself maybe share us with rider at best. I can sort of get why qm said that since its only been like 10 mins since we confessed to her.
>>4760174>Let her scoop up the silver medal harem members even.Pic related with Vritra and Rin soon.
>>4760161Holy fuck, you're reading "don't make them happy" into what I said? Even after I literally said I want everyone to be happy, and that we did good for Suzuka and Vritra? Fucking how?>>4758508>>4760147>>4760164Yeah, my very next post said I didn't disagree about Suzuka. I did say I was way too tired to think properly.>>4760168Problem is, anons really want to play pokemon with the girls and trust that it'll all work out somehow. THAT is what I'm against.>>4760171So you're butthurt we confessed to Sakura, one of the two girls we undeniably love the most, and want to give everyone the big Makiri dick? Is that what this is all about?
>>4760174I don't know how you read that as being hardcore lesbo because she kept her original gender. Kama was a male deity.These "original natures" and shit always refer to being Gods and Systems first.What we see of Gods and similarly HSes is that their true forms are some kind of information amalgamate that have conflicting traits without imploding and that its so bad to see it as a human that your brain interprets it as light not to explode.Thats what it means, she holds her nature as a part of Nature more important, except...we changed that, pretty fucking hard, into being more humanlike, and thus more personlike than systemlike.>>4760178
>>4760181>trust that it'll all work out somehowWait and Hope.
>>4760181>Holy fuck, you're reading "don't make them happy" into what I said? >Problem is, anons really want to play pokemon with the girls and trust that it'll all work out somehow.> two girls we undeniably love the most, and want to give everyone the big Makiri dick? Is that what this is all about?You keep seeing all these weird ass fucking plans and ideas. This is why I think what I think. I would rather think its a deliberate argument than actually believing this is why someone doesn't want to bend 720 degrees backwards over not making someone sad, sorry, meltdown by making themselves also happy, and that wanting and loving others more is pokemon.You either make a lot of assumptions and believe everyone holds the same convictions or they are playing "pokemon" or deliberately fucking around, or its a style of argument I imagine.How am I supposed to interpret that? You don't think people just...don't think the same or care about the same thing? Or they dont have the same takeaway from the story? Saying that we love Sakura is one thing, and its obviously in character true, but "undeniably the most"? When we the effects seem to not correspond?Its always how Sakura will be sad, what about how others will be sad? Medea will be sad is also bad yeah, but there are also others...And there is also ourself. Are we a system of Nature to not think about ourself? Like Vritra was or Einzbern robos?
>>4760178>>4760182It is a scuffed fgo wiki translation so I'll give you that, I may have interpreted it wrong. I took it literally as, despite female appearance Vrita still has original mindset. Original mindset was infatuation with pretty girls to the point of it being an exploitable weakness by Indra. Kama is a bit different as he's incapable of feeling love at all by direct quote admission in Ooku, only able to give out a false love to drown goyim in. Vrita's love is pretty violent too, that woman, Rambha, actually died; heavily implied due to the nature of the affections from the Asura King at the time.I would have found her more attractive if she stayed womanlet heightGood for strong kids though.But ye I actually don't have strong feelings towards the whole romance side of the quest I'm already content irl I just want to make Pollux a single mother I'd rather just tug at the strings behind Fate/ mechanics and see what happens.I do have personal favourite characters I would like to see get good endings, HOPEMAN especially. You guys keep trying to figure out how to balance haremchadmode though. I only try and temper it a bit by trying not to gather even more when it's already unmanageable because I'd probably be less engaged if it swallowed the entire quest and it wasn't at least comical to spectate
>>4760187Oh and when I pushed the Sakura confession write in option I did so because it felt like she is the most "in character" love interest, I try and be authentic to the story even though it's a metagame exploitation simulator
>>4760192I wish your autism and plans the greatest luck and fun. I just wanted to clear up that its a very probably a "God" thing, like how Amaterasu talked to Hakuno about how "Can you love Tamamo even if she may change with the Eras" or something. Gods actually physically and materially change to suit their Eras and environments, as Systems they adapt and are Concepts before persons, as their higher-order selves would mean that they definitely aren't people as we would recognize, if not bunrei'd down to our level.I read it as Vritra being similar as a System of Obstacles. There was something about her being the concept of cyclical winter embodied? Since that is the best representation of "periodic hardship to be overcome that sharpens the people".
>>4760179well Sakura is an actually emotionally unstable person, Sacchin has her issues but she doesn't get fucking violent and confrontational like Sakura>>4760180Rin and Medea ended up winning a lot through us acting like a manwhore, good for them>>4760181Yeah i don't understand what he means by that honestly. Also i don't get why you're bitching, Sakura is number one or at least tied for number one. You're acting like anons don't have a girl they want too and they just wanna collect them all>>4760185wait and hope>>4760192everyone is a womanlet, make some a little taller and i agree with your goals, i too want to leave Pollux a single mother and give HOPEMAN his beloved waifu, i will help you reach your goals
>>4760181It was mostly a joke.The battle for Shinji's Virginity will be a war greater than even this Grail War.>>4760179A Satsuki meltdown has the potential to take out the entire Solar System and beyond depending on how much CULTIVATION she has done.Move over Chaos there's a new superbeing in town.>>4759732Rin: My relationship is definitely getting better now, though I haven't gotten much opportunity to talk to her since I helped her avenge her Father. I don't know if she thinks there's anything romantic there though.70/100Ciel: I mean, I guess she likes me. She'd have to in order to betray the Church for me. Right?90/100Also, I don't know why you guys are bringing up Vritra's original nature, especially because you changed it anyway. Even before, she wouldn't have actually 'loved' anybody, and would've just enjoyed toying with them.It's difficult not to fall for the guy who gave you the actual ability to love and filled your hollow existence with something, believe it or not.Honestly, concept application is a dangerous game considering the ramifications of doing it down the line. Slapping concepts onto Servants willy nilly and improving their entire existence across the entire multiverse is by default going to AT LEAST bring about a feeling of wanting to protect you.>>4760192>I would have found her more attractive if she stayed womanlet heightYou already have a dozen womanlets.