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The Grail War continues, but you're finally taking a break, though of course, even your breaks can't be without stress, and you managed to find yourself in a death-match with a Goddess and her pet dog while you were supposed to be taking it easy.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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Last Thread: >>4784048
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"Gilgamesh, Enkidu, what do you two know about Ereshkigal? I have reason to believe that she is trapped in that bottle alongside Ishtar, yet possibly unjustly, as she may have actually assisted Illyasviel in fending off the goddess long enough for her to be rescued." You feel like if this is the case, then Ereshkigal really does deserve some sort of reward. Well, you suppose that you'll just have to see what happens. Ereshkigal will definitely enjoy being granted the authority to run a new unified Underworld for the entire planet, especially if she were actually allowed to make the place pleasant for its occupants. Well, you don't know how difficult doing something like that will actually be, but for you and your faction, even changing natural laws like that shouldn't be out of the question.

"Ereshkigal? The Goddess of the Underworld?" Gilgamesh repeats your question, asking for you to clarify and receiving a nod from you in response. "I have no grievances against her in particular, my dislike is mostly reserved to her sister. Ereshkigal as far as goddesses go is one of the few who actually deserves some modicum of respect. Being the Queen of the Dead is not an enviable duty." Gilgamesh doesn't seem to have anything against Ereshkigal, thankfully. "If she provided that girl there assistance in resisting Ishtar's efforts to erase her, I would even go so far as to say she deserved praise."

"I have no strong thoughts on her either way. Though I somehow doubt she'll be happy when she finds out about the nature of my abilities..." Enkidu muses. Yeah, they are probably right about that much, at least. Enkidu's ability to now escape from anything, including things like death and of course as a result of that, The Underworld, would definitely guarantee that Ereshkigal would at minimum feel uncomfortable around Enkidu as they exist now.

"Well, that's good, so you wouldn't reject her potentially being given a physical form to act by herself freely?" You were already planning on giving Ishtar a body potentially so that she could act as a maid to Illya, at least if nobody else had any better ideas for dealing with her, that is.

"No, I wouldn't have an issue with her in particular manifesting as a Goddess, though she might end up being troublesome, so I would have to object to her not being given any sort of restraint on her, she... is quite the dangerous individual, my tolerance for her aside." Gilgamesh reminds you that Ereshkigal and Ereshkigal within Rin's body are... going to be quite different people. After all, Rin's presence within Ishtar can even turn Ishtar into somebody that isn't a massive bitch. Well, this is as good as an endorsement as you can get from somebody like Gilgamesh, you suppose.
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>>4790770
>1 post by this ID
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"Thank you, Gilgamesh, now, Casters... In this bottle, there are two divine souls, do any of you think it might be possible to separate the two souls individually?" You want to know if it will actually be possible to separate the two goddesses without causing either of them significant damage in doing so, and while you couldn't really care less about

"Separating two entwined souls? Pass that bottle to me." Tamamo requests you pass the bottle to her, and you do so, whereupon she examines the bottle closely. "Yes... I might be able to do something about this, especially with how this bottle is set-up, It's somewhat compatible with my style of magecraft..." Tamamo takes a close examination of the bottle, her tails flicking as she does. "Now... let's see..." She suddenly inscribes another symbol upon the bottle, and it glows briefly before she returns it back to you. "It's a temporary solution, but I divided the essence of the spirit inside that bottle into two... in other words, I separated them for now, but eventually, the two of them will rejoin." Tamamo's remarkably rapid work there was pretty impressive! To be expected of a goddess like herself, you suppose. With four tails, Tamamo is truly a force to be reckoned with. Almost halfway to becoming a Goddess beyond almost any other through once again manifesting the powers of Amaterasu, though it's unlikely that Tamamo would allow herself to actually become Amaterasu properly even if she regained all of her tails. Tamamo offers you the bottle back and you take it, surprised at the speed of Tamamo's work. Then again, you suppose such things as preparation is something that she as a goddess doesn't really have to bother with. She has a tremendous amount of magical energy available to her, after all.

"Thank you, Tamamo, now, I want to go through everything I've thought of when it comes to dealing with Ishtar, and not Ereshkigal for a moment. My first idea is fully depowering her and placing her in a new body, allowing Illya to... uh, eat the rest of her divine powers, and then forcing her to take the role of a maid." You reveal your first idea to deal with Ishtar, but you've come up with quite a few ways to potentially deal with the goddess. "Now, my second idea is through 'injecting' her into the Kaleidosword in order to strengthen it further, Rin, could you confirm whether or not the blade can do that? I know it already contains Ruby's Pseudo-Personality."
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"It should be able to take in the spirit of a goddess, though I'm not quite sure what sort of effect that trapping a goddess within the Kaleidosword would actually have, it would likely grow in power in some way, but I'm not quite sure how, exactly." Rin doesn't object to the idea of using Ishtar as a power source for the Kaleidosword. The magical capacity of a Goddess fused to the blade would likely allow it to charge up a tremendous amount of energy to put into attacks by effectively turning Ishtar into a battery to be filled with magical energy siphoned from other worlds. A harsh fate, but fitting for one such as Ishtar."

"I see..." Well, now for the third option, and the one Rin is least likely to enjoy the idea of. "You mentioned that you could use the Kaleidosword to take things from other worlds if you had the suitable 'catalyst' right?" You don't like the idea of Pseudo-Servants, true, but this might be about the one way you could accept their existence.

"I did, why?"

"Well, I was wondering if you could perhaps see if it were possible to... perhaps summon a version of yourself from a timeline where you are doomed to die, just prior to death? Your observation is still somewhat limited when it comes to other worlds, so is such a thing even possible? Can you save another version of yourself through the Second True Magic?"

"Why? So we can turn that version of me into a host for a goddess? How is that any different from what Ishtar was trying to do to Illya?" Rin looks annoyed by your suggestion, but you decide to go into a little more detail for her.

"Well, it's quite simple, how Pseudo-Servants actually manifest is almost entirely through the will of the spirit possessing the host body, outside of the host body being specifically created to host and wield that power for themselves. I'm sure Ishtar will be more than happy to agree to properly share the body of this 'other' you instead of just trying to totally hijack it like she did with Illya, though of course, it's just a suggestion, to see how far you had come in the usage of the Second True Magic. After all, if you could even save another version of yourself from her death, wouldn't that make you the superior Rin?" You play to Rin's ego. There's really no point for her to feel bad about those other versions of herself anyway, she's better than those Rins because she's your Rin. "Besides, if it doesn't work out and the other Rin doesn't agree to it, we can always just send her back, right?" Though it's not really much of a choice. Anybody would go for being the host of a goddess over having to experience something like the Femme Fatale Dead End. "Besides, it's not like Ishtar would have any real power, we could very easily strip her of her artifacts and grant them to her sister. It's... just something to think about, for a test of the capabilities of the Kaleidosword. You'd be saving a version of yourself, right?"
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"Well... I suppose... Maybe?" Rin doesn't sound fully convinced by your suggestion, but then again, she's the one who's been looting her own corpse, so she can't really complain that much about how you're suggesting she use the Second True Magic. Still, she didn't outright deny you.

"Good, I can also help anybody who wants it out through the application of a Concept if I need to, it will generally make you quite a bit powerful at minimum." Enkidu looks happy as you bring up your ability to manipulate concepts, they really do seem to appreciate the change that you made to their body. Gilgamesh appreciates what you did for Enkidu too, and you know that for a fact. He's been offering advice and being friendlier as of late. "Now! Does anybody else have any other plans? Or at there any objections to them?"

"Well, I suppose I could create a puppet body for the goddesses, but it would take some time to get it right. A week that we don't have..." Touko shrugs, clearly a little bit disappointed by the way things seem to be going, and Tamamo taking over when it came to separating the souls of the two goddesses.

"I have the same issue here. While I could create suitable homunculus vessels, even for two goddesses, the growth process for such a thing would take quite a lot of time as the body adapted to grow around the soul of the goddess." Morgan also seemingly has no timely way to place the goddesses in bodies of their own.

Nobody really rejects the plan outright, even Rin doesn't seem to be that bothered by the idea of using her parallel selves as a way to experiment with the Second True Magic. After all, it's something she would've definitely needed to have learned to do anyway, so why not do it in such a way that saves a version of herself from a gruesome death?

"Now, one last thing... Casters, do you think you can give the spirits in the bottle the ability to communicate with us, I want to hear what they have to say." You ask the group of powerful magic wielding women, and this time, it's Medea who steps up. "In fact, I think I have just the spell!" She shouts something in ancient greek and the bottle begins to glow purple.

"Hey!? Who the hell do you think that you are?! Do you have any idea who the hell I am?! I'm Ishtar! You'll regret-" The bottle immediately begins shouting angrily.

"Give it a rest, idiot." Another voice from the bottle scolds the goddess. "I've had enough of being dragged along thanks to you, just because of our connection doesn't mean I enjoy being summoned whenever you are, and especially not into the same body. I'm just glad that the girl had the will to resist and accept my assistance." The other voice sounds quite a lot smugger than the first.
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"You?! Ereshkigal?! You really were in here too?! I should've known that there was something going on with my body when I couldn't absorb that brat immediately! Why did you help her?!" Ishtar is completely ignoring the rest of the room in order to yell angrily at her sister, who is still impossibly smug.

"I simply didn't want you to keep getting your own way all the time, so I gave the girl a boost is all." The smugness in Ereshkigal's voice is pretty incredible, a voice that says 'I know I might be trapped in here with you, but I'm fine with that.' You're beginning to warm up to Ereshkigal immediately, this girl's dislike for her sister is pretty intense.

However you don't want to watch a sealing bottle have a cat-fight, so... "Sakura, would you mind revealing the power of Tiamat for just a moment? Not in any real degree, I just want Ishtar to understand something very quickly...

"OK, Onii-chan!" Sakura grows a little taller as a pair of horns spring from her head, slightly larger than they were last time, Sakura is probably getting a greater control over Tiamat's abilities without being at a risk of losing herself to the strength and... well, that's something you approve of. Sakura is constantly increasing in power, and eventually she'll become just as powerful as the original Beast II was, you're pretty sure, in fact, with her ability to wield magecraft as well as Nullification granting her all sorts of immunities, it wouldn't be incorrect to say that Sakura's current potential is greater than even the peak of Beast II's strength.

Sakura moves towards the table that the bottle had been set upon, and picks it up, causing the two squabbling sisters to cease their petty argument with each other. The two are silent, and you're pretty sure that Ishtar lets out a whimper of fear as she recognizes the presence of Tiamat within Sakura. "Now, girls. Here's the thing, I really don't like being ignored." You speak now, and you know that you have their complete enraptured attention. "I'm glad that you helped Ereshkigal, and I'm sorry if Sakura is scaring you, but I just had to get Ishtar to shut her fat idiot mouth for a second." You cross your arms and look at the bottle.

"Y-you! You're the... You're the one behind all of this, aren't you! You... You lowlife... You... You damn..." Ishtar tries to think of a good insult to apply to you, and starts wracking her brain for one... or well, whatever she has in place of a brain as a soul kept inside a bottle.

"Silence!" Gilgamesh slams his foot against the floor in irritation. Angered by something. "Shinji has done me a great service, Ishtar, and I won't allow you of all people to besmirch the actions of a good man." Gilgamesh really isn't playing around, and he was... well, he was the last person you'd have expected to jump in to defend you from insults. "Now, Outsider, I believe you had something you wanted to tell the two goddesses..."
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"Oh, uh... Thank you Gilgamesh. Right, I wanted to tell the two of you that Ereshkigal is to be given a body with as close to her full power as possible, while Ishtar..."

>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>"...Will be transferred into the Kaleidosword to act as a divine battery."
>"...Will be given to Illya to experiment with her new ability with."
>"...Shall be left to rot."
>"...Shall be sealed inside a plush toy."

>How do you want to deal with getting the goddesses bodies?
>>Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
>>Ask Illya if it would be possible to somehow materialize the goddesses if you were to provide some assistance.
>>Write-in...
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>>4790786
>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
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>>4790786
>Will be transferred into the Kaleidosword to act as a divine battery.
>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
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>>4790792
>>4790786
support
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"Silence!" Gilgamesh slams his foot against the floor in irritation. Angered by something. "Shinji has done me a great service, Ishtar, and I won't allow you of all people to besmirch the actions of a good man."
I love our bestie Gilgamesh.
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>>4790801
we are officially bros, this is based
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>>4790786
Will be forced to become a powerless maid and >Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
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>>4790786
>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)

I hope its not too bad an ending.
Femme fatale would be awful.
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>>4790786
>Ishtar
>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>"Her Authorities will be stripped off her and will be given to someone more deserving."
>"Shishou will make a puppet body for her when the world is no longer in danger. There is no need to hurry."
>"Thank Ereshkigal for helping Illya. Tell her you admire her efforts to make Kur a more pleasant place for the souls in her care"
>"She heard the conversation and the available options. She heard Gilgamesh saying she will need some sort of restraint. What does she think of them? Will she accept sharing with a Rin? And if not, what other restraints could we put upon a goddess?"

Ishtar becomes a powerless puppet maid and her powers are put to a better use. Eresh is a good girl. She gets a choice.

>>4790801
So do I, and I never expected it.
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>>4790786
>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>>Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
Let's grab some extra Rins anyways. We need more Rins.
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would Rin be able to draw from Eresh and Ishtar's powers if we force them into one of Rin's bodies? Would be a pretty great power up and make her one of the strongest people we have with us
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How much fun Gil is having, WhatIs?

And should we bring idea about Materialization/Soul/Heaven to Illya right now?
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>>4790786
>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>Go fetch Betty and get to create compatible vessels.
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It's odd, the thing is, one Rin would get to have Eresh's powers, while the other would be forced to be a maid for Ilya.
Can we do the oposite of what Ishtar was doing to Ilya? Give a Rin complete control of Ishtar's powers?
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>>4790820
There's no reason to give them both Rin bodies. We could have Ereshrin and a puppet Ishtar, if Eresh agrees to share.
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>>4790820
You'd have to convince Ishtar that was a preferable fate to being a maid for eternity.

>>4790815
He's having a great deal of fun right now.
Probably having some of the most fun he's ever had.
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>>4790822
>You'd have to convince Ishtar that was a preferable fate to being a maid for eternity.
>You get to be a maid forever or get to have some modicum of control and freedom, choose
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>>4790786
>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
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>>4790786
>>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
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Could Betty create something that looks like human and can contain goddess within itself while using all of her powers? Gods should be weak to eldritch powers.
We could make host of Ishtar be able to utilize Ishtar`s power and serve Illya as another maid-bodyguard. Extra humiliating.
While Ereshkigal should receive a proper body for being a good girl.

But Ringacha is really tempting.
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>>4790786
>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)
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All this talk about pseudos and anons aren't even willing to discuss things before we rush into meatpuppeting some Rins...

>>4790842
She probably could, yes. But an Ishtar with powers is an Ishtar that is not fully humiliated. Why not give them to someone else?
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>>4790847
I was thinking that Host of Ishtar would also be in-charge of the body while using powers of contained goddess. A very personal jailer. And the one Ishtar would be repulsed with the most.
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>>4790847
Its better than eternally wiggling and squirming in the Femme Fatale vore chamber forever, that poor girl is probably too mind broken to ever be normal again. I'm assuming that's the bad end Rin we're pulling.
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>>4790862
I've constructed a list of 15 bad ends and 5 special options
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>inb4 rolling 2 20 on the dice is leads rin to summon Astarte
>>4790863
interesting
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I might just call it here, what's winning?
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I'm really split on the ringacha or betty.
Fuck my gacha fetish, when are you calling QM?
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>>4790863
>5 special options
>Prisma Illya Rin?
>Oath under snow Rin?
>Extra Rin?
>HA Rin (because all of the timeline mixups)
>El Meloi Case Files Rin?
At least those are my guesses.
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>>4790863
>5 special options
Oh.
Will it be just 2d20 or something like bo5 for each and we get to be picky?
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>>4790868
>>Oath under snow Rin?
Pretty sure she doesn't exist in that universe, only Sakura somehow.
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Oh, the thread image is Kur with flowers. That's cute.
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>>4790866
I'm down for calling now, this isn't some crazy convoluted vote. I think Trapping Ishtar in a bad end Rin as a maid won out.
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>>4790870
Sure we'll make it bo5 for each.
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>>4790873
which is weird because Sakura is only a Matou because Rin exists and Rin is older
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>>4790866
Helpless Maid and summon 2 Rins.
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>>4790868
prisma rin would be hilarious.
>>4790879
Maybe rin died early?
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>>4790879
Just don't think about it too hard.

Anyway, let's do this.
Gimme 5 2d20

1: SPECIAL 0
2: Girl Rhapsody
3: Walpurgis Night
4: Witch's Mark
5: Night Without Dawn
6: Holy Grail Completed
7: Texture
8: Killer
9: Sword and Magic
10: Heavens Fall
11: Superhero
12: Stone Coffin
13: Womb Realm Mandala
14: World Purge, Meltdown
15: Horror Show
16: Femme Fatale
17: SPECIAL Mt
18: SPECIAL EX
19: SPECIAL Edl
20: SPECIAL Chch
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Rolled 8, 3 = 11 (2d20)

>>4790884
lets roll the gacha
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Rolled 2, 13 = 15 (2d20)

>>4790884
wouldn't the two Rins want us to go back and fix their timeline? Also kinda funny that Shinji ended up saving them
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Rolled 11, 15 = 26 (2d20)

>>4790786
>"...Will be forced to become a powerless maid."
>Ask Rin if she would use the Second True Magic to grab some doomed Rins from parallel worlds (Will need 2d20)

Screw it. We can always extract them later.
Fucking mystery box addiction.
>>4790878
Time to roll some [SPECIAL] Rins and fight over which one is to pick!
>>4790884
Here.
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Rolled 20, 12 = 32 (2d20)

>>4790884
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Rolled 2, 14 = 16 (2d20)

>>4790884
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Rolled 9, 3 = 12 (2d20)

>>4790884
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>>4790887
damn, Superhero ending would be kinda interesting, she's kinda mindbroken since she killed Sakura and Shirou is gonna kill her
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Rolled 20 (1d20)

Rerolling for the Repeat options...
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>>4790884
I don't even know about some of those bad ends.

If fox wife could separate souls so easily, we could have seperated the divinity and give it to Rin while the personality went into a puppet.

Also goddamn fox wife is good. No prep and did it in seconds. We gotta reward her one of these days.
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Rolled 1, 18 = 19 (2d20)

>>4790895
Shit, that's also a repeat and I meant to roll two.
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>>4790893
Yeah, that rin will be very fucked up.
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>>4790895
>>4790888
I'm scared bros...
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what's Chch? Now i'm interested

>>4790899
would be a good second chance since Sakura is alive and Shirou didn't become a psychopath
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>>4790895
>1: SPECIAL 0
Zero Rin?
>17: SPECIAL Mt
Matou Rin?
>18: SPECIAL EX
Extraverse?
>19: SPECIAL Edl
Edelfelt Rin?
>20: SPECIAL Chch
No idea.
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Superhero ending might be a good idea to take.
She'll want to stay if only because Sakura is here.
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>>4790903
church Rin?
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Screw it, vote for... 2 just in general
>1: SPECIAL 0
>2: Girl Rhapsody
>3: Walpurgis Night
>8: Killer
>9: Sword and Magic
>11: Superhero
>13: Stone Coffin
>14: World Purge
>15: Horror Show
>18: SPECIAL EX
>20: SPECIAL Chch
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>>4790908
>11: Superhero
>20: SPECIAL Chch

Superhero will want to stay at all costs. Her guilt will demand it.
20 because I'm curious.
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>>4790907
>Rin Kotominne
Uhhh.
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>>4790908
i wish i could remember all the bad endings just by name.
time to youtube.
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>>4790896
Well, I tried to have a write-in with us splitting Ishtar's powers. Oh well. Would have even changed to two Rins if that's what people

We're talking to fox wife later today, don't worry.

>No Femme Fatale
Thank fuck. Give me a minute, I need to remember what some of those are.
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Rolled 5, 8 = 13 (2d11)

>>4790908
dont know what any of these are, so the dice gods will decide for me.
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>>4790908
13 and 20
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>>4790911
>>4790908
+1, Superhero Rin will be easy to convince, she literally has nothing left, Chch Rin is interesting
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>>4790908
11 and 20.
Come on guys, Superhero Run will want to stay at all costs. She'll accept anything to stay with a Sakura.
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>>4790908
>Superhero
>Sparks Liner High
Fuck you give me my SLH kino WhatIs
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>>4790884
I'll reveal that Mt was Rin Matou and Edl was Rin Edelfelt.
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>>4790908
>11.Superhero
>8.World Purge
Superhero Rin is mindbroken, and World Purge Rin was vored.
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I want to save Zero Rin because she was probably captured by Gilles.
But Superhero and Chch are very interesting too.
EX has already hosted Servants before and was the one in control.
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>>4790908
>>11: Superhero
>>20: SPECIAL Chch
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
Hope this is loli rin, better than let her die so young.
>11: Superhero
Because i feel very bad for her.

People will vote for whatever 20 is anyway.
>>4790926
is SLH rin even a option? shame
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>>4790926
But that's not specifically a dead end...
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>>4790927
we knew that
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>>4790908
>11: Superhero
>20: SPECIAL Chch
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>>4790927
>Rin Matou
A sister we never saved.
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
>20: SPECIAL Chch
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>>4790927
feel like Matou Rin would be easy to deal with since she would've been broken
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>>4790932
There is the implication that rin or sakura will die, so by going of how this multiverse shit work there is a timeline where rin died to sakura or saber alter.
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Is 0 loli Rin qm?
Because I'll change my vote stat. I'm not letting her get killed by fucking Gilles.
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
>11: Superhero
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>>4790945
Maybe.
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>>4790908
Actually assuming 0 is cunny rin it's probably better she's saved

so Special 0 and Special ChCh
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>>4790945
I don't see how she could possibly be anything else
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
>11: Superhero
Fuck it, I'll change to this.
These 2 need saving the most.
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Somebody mind doing a tally of where vote currently stands?
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
>11: Superhero
Changing.
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>>4790957
This vote seems like a mess
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
>11: Superhero
Changing. Save the loli.
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>>4790964
Yes, it does.
I might just oopsie it and give you three.
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>>4790908
>>4790930
I’ll change my vote from 20 to 1 since you guys are saying it loli Rin
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Will you tell what each rin is after the vote is called?
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>>4790967
People aren't even linking their old vote when they change! How the fuck do you even count that mess?
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>>4790967
Kotomine Rin would be a tad angry at our Rin don't you think?
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>>4790908
>Special 0
>Superhero
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>>4790908
>1: SPECIAL 0
For Ereshkigal.
Technically a daughter?
>20: SPECIAL Chch
For Ishtar.
Wild card but should be best one to handle Ishtar.
>>4790957
Can we get a another Rin?
Little girl to save and Superhero and Chch for Servants.
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>>4790967
do it
lets save all the rins
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>>4790957
I think Loli Rin and Mind of Steel Rin are winning.
I still love that ending.
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>>4790908
1, 18, 20. If you're letting us have 3. Otherwise, 1 and 18.
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Shinji "More Rins than Chaldea" Makiri
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>>4790967
Please do.
Superhero for Eresh.
Chch for Ishtar.
And another innocent child to save.
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>>4790918
Changing to

>>4790908
>SPECIAL 0
>Superhero
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>>4790982
What? You mean 11 right? I don't think anyone voted 18.
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>>4790985
Instead of rin faces, sakura faces and shirou faces we collect the actual individuals of divergent timelines rather than types that look like that character.
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>>4790980
its a pretty kino ending
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>>4790991
No, fuck 11. I want Blonde Rin.
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How many timelines does Rin have access to? Infinite?

Cause part of me wants to advocate saving ALL the doomed Rins.

>new phenomenon of the multiverse: Rin Tohsaka no disappears when killed
>some multiverse-enabled mage associations take notice of this and begin to experiment on her
>An angry Shinji appears after several parallel Rins are experimentally attempt-executed
>"Stop it."
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1, 11 and 20 are winning
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Calling in 10
You can pick three if you want now.
Fuck it.
It's Second True Magic I ain't gotta explain shit.
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>>4790999
Sorry, I thought you were telling the qm what votes were winning. My bad.
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>>4790908
>>4790928
I'll go with the Rins that have it so bad she'll accept.
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>>4790957
Count so far
1: 12
8: 1
11: 11
13: 1
18: 1
20: 7

>>4791006
>you can pick three now
Hah good luck counting that
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>>4791006
I think most people agree on 1, 11 and 20.
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>>4790908

>>4791006

>>4790951
0, EX and ChCh mystery boxes
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>>4791001
Now that would be a strange place.
A alternate dimension that consists only of thousands and thousands of different versions of previously doomed versions of your friends.
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>>4791006
1, 11 and 20
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>>4791006
1, 11 and 20 are winning by a mile, call it already
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>>4790908
Adding to >>4790947
>8.World Purge
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>>4791016
This is a Beast flag if I ever saw one
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>>4791006
>>4791016
Can we save Rin Matou later? I think Grandpa need some extra beatings for that one.
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Why pick 0 Rin? We're giving a goddess a body and this Rin would have less experience. A small body also isn't really good for a fight. Plus shinjibdoesmt really care about any Rin not his own.
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>>4791020
Would be a pretty kino singularity though.
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>>4791023
Yeah, but we clearly do.
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>>4791021
I fail to see why not, its not like rin will just stop being able to do it, probably.
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>>4791023
We're summoning 11 and 20 for this, loli Rin is just another kid we're adopting.
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>>4791023
i guess 0 Rin can be our daughter or something? Would be kinda weird thing to do if we ever start a relationship with Rin so maybe not

>>4791025
you can explain it away saying he cares about children
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>>4791006
>>4790928
Adding: 20
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Rinfags are always insufferable. Was a mistake to vote for this in a new thread.
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>>4791025
If we cared then saving every Time in the universe is impossible. Some of these aren't even dead ends for Rin. Do we even know if this Rin is dying to Gilles? Plus she isn't likely to want to stay. We could always put her back in a different location.
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>>4790908
>>4791006
>>4790930
>>4790968
I guess my vote goes to 1, 11, and 20
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>>4791028
That would mean he's have to save every morning the multiverse if he cares for every Rin.
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>>4791030
>1 post by this ID
faggot AND a coward
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>>4791030
Homo
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>>4791030
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This is why I wanted to just give the power to Rin and split off the personality. It would have avoided further character bloat. Know we're adding three characters. One that will pretty much be useless.

Also why adopt zero Rin? We could always just drop her to safety afterwards. It avoids the dead end unless the world is ending.
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>>4791031
>>4791038
Saving already doomed versions of your friends is fine by Shinji.
He doesn't have to save them all, but if there is an opportunity to save them, he will.
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>>4791045
So since there is an opportunity shouldn't he summon everyone on the list then?
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>>4791044
Would have been nice to have had some discussion about the write in earlier, but it's too late for regrets now.

I suppose we'll have to decide what to do with loli Rin later on. She certainly can't be made into a pseudo.
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>>4791048
No, because Rin is the one doing the summoning, not him.
You're just rolling because the Gacha is fun.
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>>4791050
Sakura can raise her sisterdaughter
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>>4790985
You fucking nigger, you better have some references or nods to Sparks Liner High in this quest. I fucking wish it was a main bad end instead of one like the other bad/dead ends
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>>4791053
>can
Hot way too many kids already. Let the someone else adopt her.
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So Kotomine for Ishtar, Mind of Steel for Ereshkigal?
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>>4791055
You want Shirou to pull off a Triple Linked Crane Wings?
Because he can pull that off without nuking his brain now.
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>>4791030
Come on now, Rin has been pretty great in this quest.

That said I'd rather keep her not romantically involved
>implying it's not already too late
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>>4791060
he's been downloading Archer's skills right?

>>4791058
Seems fair
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>>4791060
That shit is made to work against saber, not sure if that would work against another fighter.
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>>4791056
i just think it would be funny
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>>4791058
Yes.
>>4791060
How interesting would have Rin Matou be?
You posted that image before so you must have some solid plans for it.
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>>4791058
I guess
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>>4791069
Rin Matou would've been fun.
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>>4791051
At least expand on what all the other mystery ones would have been, how each Rin would have been planned to be and how to interact with others here based on her canon bad end route and events
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>>4791075
I suppose saving her later would be possible?
After the war, i mean.
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>>4791060
That would be great, thanks, especially if Archer sees it
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So vote called?
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>>4791083
Yes, writan.
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>>4791075
I accept the will of dice. But my spirit is shattered now.
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>>4791075
>Rin Matou is still bi as fuck
>Shinji threesomes Sakura and Rin Matou
>our Rin lezzes out with Rin Matou later
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>>4791087
hot as fuck. hope she doesnt go ballistic after learning we had Kotomine killed
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>>4791087
She looks great in that.
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So who wants to bet if Rin summons an alternate timeline Rin, the summoned one is going to instantly know we aren’t the real Shinji
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>>4791090
Odds are she killed him herself.
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>>4791089
>Rin Matou is still bi as fuck
>Shinji threesomes Sakura and Rin Matou
I want our Rin though, the non NPC
>our Rin lezzes out with Rin Matou later
would this be incest or masturbation? It feels narcissistic
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>in the end it turned out saving one world was not enough
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>>4791087
Fucking hot, holy crap. Is this what would happen if Rin was more willing to accept Kotomine as her guardian and became an executioner instead of a magus? Would Gil be her servant? Based as fuck!!!!
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>>4791096
The second they get here they'll stop being npc's though.
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>>4791094
Well considering that our Sakura almost always clings on to us when she can... I'd say this is likely
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Can you imagine Mind of Steel Rin showing up here, confused at all these people, and then she sees Sakura there?
You think she'll throw herself at her sobbing, and begging for forgiveness?
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>>4791103
I want superhero Rin to be happy anons...
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>>4791094
Thus the seeds of suspicion and doubt are planted, and the dynamics among all the characters slip ever closer to Shinji having to reveal the Truth of Nasuverse and Isekai and Fictional Reality and a certain porn VN
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>>4791106
Archer already theorized that this Shinji saw how things would end for him so he changed course, i mean, its a good guess but it still doesn't explain how he's capable of high level Magecraft

>>4791103
second chance to make things right
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>>4791103
Which Rin would be the most likely to, upon hugging our Rin, doing something openly like french kiss her or grope her, in full view of our other allies?
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>>4791103
Probably.
I can see her crying for hours.
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>>4791006
I still want 1, v18, 20
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So Shirou was likely the one that would kill Superhero Rin I suppose?
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>>4791118
Yes, and illya, and anyone else that tries to stop him.
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>>4791118
Yes. And Church Rin probably killed everyone.
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>>4791118
Yes, he would have killed all of his friends to "save the world" but Fuyuki would have still burned. He's full blown Kerry.
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>>4791118
Shirou killed everyone somehow
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Could Church Rin also be member of Burial Agency?
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>>4791094
There is no real Shinji to them. For all they know something changed the course of Shinji's character just like the Rins.
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>>4791131
>>4791126
>>4791125
>>4791123
So we have a Rin that feels horrible guilt toward Sakura, and is probably scared shitless of Shirou.
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>>4791139
And think of Archer too.
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>>4791139
she's not gonna be in her right mind probably
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>>4791139
How in the hell would Shirou have won that with no servants. I call bullshit on that ending.
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>>4791139
More like she has a seething hatred towards him, she would have blamed everything on Shirou and hated him even more so for trying to stop her from using the grail to revive Sakura.
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>>4791131
>>4791145
We can ask her now.
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Rolled 20, 9 = 29 (2d20)

>>4790884
Might not count but ROLLIN
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>>4791145
Shirou has killed Gil in UBW and Herc in HF.
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>>4791145
Kirei almost certainly lent him Gilgamesh because it would be funny.
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>>4791145
Guerilla tactics. Dad's gun stash. Assassination.
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>>4791145
He just need to kill the masters that remained.
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>>4791152
He still needs a way to defeat Archer.
Killing Rin alone would not have been enough.
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>>4791151
Yeah, I saw a fanfic like that. Then he gibs Gilgamesh right after he kills Heracles.
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>>4791145
according to Nasu, pure luck and literally no will to live
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>>4791151
>Gilgamesh
>Rin Kotomine
>Superhero
>Child Rin
Oh. He is in for something else.
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>>4791145
Some theorize that Kirei would have lent Gil to Shirou for the lolz like what he did with Shinji in UBW. Gil would have went along with it cause he was bored as hell cooped up in the church. Or Shirou would have used his Fujimura yakuza connections and sent a hit on the remaining Masters with modern technology. No matter what Shirou would have some how, some way ""won"".
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>>4791158
>Pure luck
>E rank luck
Fuck you Nasu
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>>4791159
Oh yeah, Kotomine Rin might know Gilgamesh well.
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>>4791151
i like the fanart of Priest Shirou and fem!Gilgamesh, for some reason the duo really meshes well
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>>4791155
...that archer whose main goal it was for the Shirou that turned into him to die, to unmake his own being, and contract with Alaya? Seeing a Kerry!Shirou would just make him pop a half-chub, show Shirou all his best NPs and off himself
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>>4791162
Church Rin definitely is the master of Gil, and Gil would have liked it.
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>>4791161
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>>4791164
Pretty sure that Mind of Steel Shirou is the complete opposite to what he wanted to see. He wants Shirou to give up his retarded ideals, not double down.
Doubling down makes him into EMIYA Alter.
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>>4791167
I wonder what kills her
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Hey, if we give Superhero Rin to Ereshkigal's body, wont the merge make Eresh into Sakura's best friend?
Rin's guilt should make Eresh like Sakura a lot.
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>>4791167
Considering Ayaka, absolutely
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>>4791169
Basically Nasu has no fucking idea, huh?
>"Luck I guess!"
Hack.
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>>4791172
Probably, yeah

I want to see how we're gonna convince Kotomine Rin to become part of a maid.
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>>4791172
Yeah that's the idea, Kotomine Rin having Ishtar seems kinda weird to turn into a maid though but lets see how that goes and if Illya still wants a maid
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>Church Rin attacks us right away
>Black Keys and all other holy magic
>It does nothing to us because YHVH
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>>4791179
in this case we just punch her.
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>>4791192
>"Rejoice, Rin Kotomine!"
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Do you think Kerry will want to keep doing his Hero of Justice shtick? I'm asking cause I want to know if we should give back Kerry his magic crest or have Touko and Morgan figure out how to transplant it to Shirou
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>>4791198
Kerry wasn't a Hero of Justice, but he gave up on even his retarded "kill the fewer people" approach after his meeting with Angra Mainyu. I imagine he pretty much lives for Illya and Shirou now

We'll have a talk with him anyway. Tell him his kids need a father, not the Magus Killer. We can straighten him out.

Crest going to Shirou will be difficult. He has no actual relation to Kerry, and even Shishou can't transplant crests. She just uses them as an outer scaffolding.
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>>4791198
I think after we give him Iri back he'll never lift a fucking finger again.
Just accept the things he has, and let it rest.
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>>4791207
we have a bunch of Casters with us I think they can figure out what essentially amounts to an Organ Transplant
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>>4791210
If we give him Iri back we'll have to tell him that if he ever cheats on her again we'll feed him his balls.

He wouldn't do it anyway, but it'll be satisfying.

>>4791211
I said difficult, not impossible. Time Alter Avalon Shirou will be pretty busted.
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>>4791210
If only he did like his version from prisma.
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>YOROKOBE RIN
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>>4791218
"Yorokobe shoujo."
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After our Rin lost the Shirou bowl, it's time to give her a harem of Rin maids.
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>>4791226
We will just adopt child Rin with our Rin.
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>>4791224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWJ8c6woJ1w
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>>4791224
>>4791218
>>4791197
We should definitely open up with this. It's Shinji's off day, why not have some fun?
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>>4791229
>sleeping with an older version of your daughter
>raising a younger version of your wife
what the fuck dude
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>>4791235
Are you retarded? We arnt going after Rin.
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>>4791233
I was just going to post that.
I find it funny thats the only version of kirei that dont end up dead and can work in society.
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>>4791235
Not even that outrageous. Just look at the rest of harem.
>>4791242
Summoning RIn out off Today`s Menu for Emiya Family would have been the most strange experience.
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>>4791244
>Summoning RIn out off Today`s Menu for Emiya Family would have been the most strange experience.
Oh yeah, we dont need to touch that timeline, everyone is happy there.
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>>4791244
i mean, sure man why not

>>4791240
yes we are
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>>4791246
Truly the best timeline.
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>>4791246
>>4791248
WhatIs already confirmed that every Medusa gets her sisters back and Three Faces skill at some point after getting summoned.
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>>4791240
Where was it confirmed that we aren't going after rin?
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I wonder what would happen to the Zero timeline if they think Loli Rin is dead.
Kariya would lose his shit even faster. Tokiomi would certainly get fucking mad. Would he try to get Sakura back, since Rin isn't the heir anymore?
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>>4791256
It wasnt confirmed that we are either
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>>4791257
i assume that would be the timeline where she gets fucking killed by Gilles before Rin steps in to save her
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>>4791259
Good point
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>>4791246
>the Emiya Gohan Rin Dead End is just a cool baa-chan because she the only ded there is "passes away peacefully of old age"
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Update imminent
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"While Ishtar will be forced to become a powerless maid." You grin at the bottle, you don't actually know if Ishtar ccan actually see you or not, but it changes nothing, she should be able to tell what sort of expression you've got on your face, just from the tone of your voice.

"You... You wouldn't dare, you... you little worm!" Ishtar seethes, and it only makes your grin grow wider and wider. Seeing her in such a powerless state after what she tried to do, despairing at the fate that awaits her is quite... cathartic. To know what she was plotting to do to Illya for the sake of vengeance upon Gilgamesh and Enkidu, two people who's lives were already ruined by her meddling and selfishness

"You should be thankful for his mercy, if it were up to me, I would've ensured you received punishment from the harshest devices of torture contained within my vaults." There's a dangerous edge to Gilgamesh's voice as he threatens Ishtar, seems like he wasn't kidding about not wanting Ishtar to insult you anymore. Guess... Guess that answers the question as to whether or not Gilgamesh considers you a friend or not too, huh? Well, you suppose that that's probably the best outcome for all this, not that you'd have ever expected Gilgamesh to even consider having another friend after he turned down Iskandar... Then again, with Enkidu around again...

Ishtar grits her teeth in seething rage, but chooses to hold her tongue. Gilgamesh is very much serious about his threats to her, he would very much like nothing more than for Ishtar to finally get what she deserves, and though they are more subdued than Gilgamesh, Enkidu is staring at the bottle with eyes of hatred. His dislike of Ishtar is actually almost certain to be even greater than even Gilgamesh's own hatred. It's one thing to hate the person who took your friend away from you, it's another thing entirely to hate the person who had you killed for no reason other than a petty desire for revenge. He's not showing it, but Enkidu is almost certainly fuming about the fact that Ishtar placed a curse upon the world itself just in an attempt to spoil any reunion that he and Gilgamesh might have managed through being summoned as Heroic Spirits.

"Now, Rin... I think the best option here would be for you to... experiment with bringing forth doomed versions of yourself, now... can you select them or...?" You're curious as to the limits of the Kaleidosword right now, and where Rin's power is currently at in regards to the Second True Magic.
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"They'll be mostly... random, though I can at least apply a condition that it will only bring forth versions of myself seconds prior to them being lethally wounded or otherwise giving up the will to live." Rin reveals that her level of experience doesn't actually allow her to bring forth specifics Rins just yet, but the fact that she's confident in being able to do this at all is really quite impressive. "Now let's get this started, shall we...?" Rin takes what seems to be a small red dagger out from her jacket.

"Rin... What is that...?" The dagger looks quite a bit different to anything you were expecting her to wield.

"Oh, this is the Kaleidosword! I managed to create a new mode of operation for it, the weapon you're used to seeing is the Combat form of the blade, whereas I like to call this utility mode! What's more, I don't have to fully transform myself in order to use it!" Rin is very happy with her progress with the weapon. "Now! Kaleidosword: Utility Equip!"

True to Rin's words, she doesn't end up in the uniform of a magical girl, and remains Rin Tohsaka instead of transforming into Kaleido Ruby, however, the 'partial transformation' she was talking of is very obvious. The two cat ears on top of her head in addition to the cat tail that she is trying her hardest to ignore, despite the tail moving excitedly. Looks like Rin is feeling a little more excited about being given the opportunity to show off her power than she really wants to let on.

She plunges the small dagger into the floorboards of the room. "Establishing Connection. External Branches Locked. Searching for Targets. Two... Three Targets Found. Targets Locked. Beginning Miracle of Extradimensional Relocation in Five, Four, Three, Two... One!" Everyone watches in mute awe as they observe Rin wielding the Second True Magic like a pro. Even Gilgamesh seems to be impressed by the magic when he realizes just what it is that Rin is using it for, and that it wasn't simply hot air.

There's a flash of bright light, and when the light clears, you can see... three Rin. Three Rin instead of two. The first of the Rin is the least remarkable, she's slumped down on the floor in a heap, staring straight downwards. She probably hasn't even noticed that she's been transported yet. The second of the Rins is visibly confused, and it's plain to see why. This Rin can't be any older than eight years old. So... was this one doomed during the events of Zero? That's... sad. You're glad that Rin seems to have made an exception to saving this particular version of herself instead of simply allowing her to be killed, most likely by Gilles.
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The third Rin however is the most unexpected Rin of all, clad in a tattered looking executor's uniform, with three black keys in both hand, and kneeling with multiple bleeding injuries. She's the first to respond to her sudden change in location. "Where... Where is my Father?!" Her voice is full of anger, and clearly not concern or worry. But, her father...? "Where is Kirei Kotomine?!" Oh. Oh boy. She gets to her feet and scans the room for threats, before she is immediately stunned by the presence of one particular person, no, it's not herself. It's... "Gilgamesh?! How are you still alive?!" Rin is clearly scared of Gilgamesh for whatever reason.

"Ho? I died in the world you came from? How?" Gilgamesh sounds more amused by the fact that another version of himself managed to get himself killed than anything else. His pride not allowing him to even believe in his own defeat. Still as prideful as ever, it seems, even if his encounter with Enkidu humbled him slightly.

"...A Holy Scripture was used to defeat you. The Burial Agency was informed of your presence in Fuyuki, and they were sent to dispatch you." Rin tells Gilgamesh what happened, and Gilgamesh frowns slightly. Clearly not happy with the fact that another version of himself managed to allow himself to be defeated by the Church of all people. But that's as good a reminder as any that the Burial Agency is under no circumstances to be underestimated.

"A pity that a parallel version of myself was slain, but no matter. They were likely simply too careless." Gilgamesh doesn't seem to care that much about his dead parallel version.

"This... This is a parallel world...?" It finally seems to sink in for Rin Kotomine just what happened, and she locks eyes to the Rin with cat ears. Pointing her black keys at her. "And to think I would see a version of myself who remained a heretic moments after my father betrayed me. What a cruel joke, at the very least, I'll get rid of this mockery!" Rin Kotomine seems to prepare herself to attack her alternate self before she found herself unable to move at all, as if the space around her was frozen. You look over to a certain pointy-eared witch who was clearly responsible.

"I'd put those down if I were you, girl." Medea chimes in from the side. "You should probably take stock of your current surroundings. This isn't a fight that you can win under any circumstances, now, put the blades down, and we'll all be able to talk properly." Medea warns Rin Kotomine, who begrudgingly allows the black keys to fall from her hands to the floor.
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"Uhm... Excuse me, where exactly am I?" The youngest Rin in the room sounds confused. "I went looking for one of my friends, but then it all went dark, and... I was suddenly here?" You make a conscious effort to resist attempting to pat the tiny Rin on the head. The other Rins certainly wouldn't approve of it. The third Rin however is still motionless, almost static, having seemingly already given up on the will to live at all. She isn't responding even to the noises around her. She must've assumed she's lost her mind, if you had to guess why she wasn't acting as if anybody else was in the room.

>Talk to Rin Kotomine first. (Say what?)
>Talk to Young Rin first. (Say what?)
>Talk to Broken Rin first. (Say what?)
>Write-in...

>>Also, choose the two girls you want to serve as hosts for Ereshkigal and Ishtar.
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Jesus, poor Broken Rin.
Also, Kirei was gonna kill his own daughter Rin. How fucking precious.
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>>4791288
>Ask Enkidu to talk to the Young Rin, he seems like he'd be good with children
>Talk to the Broken Rin

>Church Rin for Ishtar
>Broken Rin for Eresh
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>>4791288
Tell little rin, I'm your father now. Also we need to romance Enkidu
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>>4791288
>>Write-in...
>Headpat all the Rins.
>Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.
>Pick up Young Rin and declare "This is mine now, I'm adopting her."

>>>Also, choose the two girls you want to serve as hosts for Ereshkigal and Ishtar.
Have Betty make two new bodies and just keep all the Rins.
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>>4791288
>>4791293
Supporting this. Seems cute.
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>>4791296
Support
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>>4791288
>>Headpat all the Rins.
>>Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.
>>Pick up Young Rin and declare "This is mine now, I'm adopting her."

>Church for Ishtar
>Broken for Eresh
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>>4791288
>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.
>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.
>Let Medea and Tamamo handle Young Rin and take her to other children for now. You will speak with her after you are done here.

>Church Rin for Ishtar
>Broken Rin for Eresh
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>>4791288
>>4791293
supporting but adding
>headpat the broken rin
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>>4791288
>>4791304
support
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>>4791304
adding

>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.
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>>4791305
>>4791288
+1, i kinda feel bad for Broken Rin now holy shit
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>>4791293
>>4791288
Support with headpat.
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>>4791313
seems like it would make for a pretty interesting Interlude
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>>4791288
>Headpat all the Rins.
>Tell young Rin she's among friends and she shouldn't worry. We'll make sure she'll be alright.
>Ask our Rin if she can send young Rin back, but return at her home instead of the place where she took her from.
>Have Sakura go over to Broken Rin and give her a hug and talk to her.
>Ask Rin Kotomine why her father was going to kill her.
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>>4791313
We should have Rin stay here and take Young Rin with us to go find Archer. Then be like "Oh no, Archer! Something happened to Rin!" and show him Young Rin.
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>>4791313
There's a Broken Rin that gave up on life literally a meter away from her.
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Rinfags are fucking insufferable. Quest turns shit every time they get their chance.
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>>4791319
>>4791311
>>4791288
FUCK, now we absolutely have to do that, adding to my vote

>>4791322
so is it just one samefag or is Rin actually that unpopular? I've always loved her
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>>4791288
>>4791305
Support
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>>4791288
Actually, switch >>4791317 to support >>4791305
It's better and I didn't notice it
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>>4791323
You rinfags always samefaging to get your way. Fuck off.
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>>4791288
>>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.
>>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.
>>Let Medea and Tamamo handle Young Rin and take her to other children for now. You will speak with her after you are done here.
>>Church Rin for Ishtar
>ask her about it
>>Broken Rin for Eresh
>ask her about it

the same as >>4791305 but with some shit for asking then first if it isnt implied.
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>>4791323
Pretty sure its the same shitposter, just ignore him.
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>>4791288
And switching again from >>4791317 and >>4791325 to support >>4791331
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>>4791323
you do know that's batman right?
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>>4791288
>>Headpat all the Rins.
>>Talk to the Broken Rin with Sakura and our Rin.
>>After that ask Rin Kotomine to try to attacking you with Holy Energy to prove you are on the mission from God and she could be of help.
>>Ask Enkidu to talk to the Young Rin, he seems like he'd be good with children
I feel super tempted to add this anon’s >>4791319 prank on Archer but maybe it can wait for later after loli Rin’s more settled

>>Church Rin for Ishtar
>>Broken Rin for Eresh
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>>4791288
>>4791331
add
>headpat all rins
to my vote.
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>>4791336
No I'm batman
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Did you enjoy rolling on the Rin Gacha?
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>>4791342
>>4791288
support illyafag headpat edition
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>>4791344
kinda wanted to save femme fatale Rin but Church Rin is kinda based so eh
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>>4791344
I've always hated the gacha. This quest has only made me hate it more.

At least it wasn't Femme Fatale
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>>4791348
But you got the 5 Star Limited SSR Church Rin and Zero Rin!
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>>4791344
need more rins
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It's not character bloat if they are all the same character.
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>>4791350
But we didn't get 5* Limited SSR Blonde Rin
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>>4791344
>>4791350
Also, illya gacha when?
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>>4791350
And what will we even do with them? How the fuck do we convince church Rin to become a maid like the anons wanted?

And I hope we don't end up adopting Zero Rin if we can send her back at a safe location. I wonder what we could tell her about the future to completely derail the 5th without encouraging her to do something suicidal.
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>>4791357
Maybe later.
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>>4791350
And all we're doing with that one is turning her into a worthless maid
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>>4791356
We'll get her in a few updates though.
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>>4791361
Please for the love of god don't. The last thing we need is five copies of every character running around. That's how you get an eternal carnival.
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>>4791361
yes
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>>4791360
>And what will we even do with them? How the fuck do we convince church Rin to become a maid like the anons wanted?
Well the good news about Church Rin is that your Rin kind of doesn't give a shit about her for trying to immediately attack her.
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>>4791372
So we're just meatpuppeting her by force? That makes us just as bad as Ishtar.
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>>4791368
Eternal Carnival you say...
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>>4791376
Well you haven't actually talked to Church Rin yet.
It's just that Rin would've been more uncomfortable if you tried to make a non asshole Rin into Ishtar Rin.
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>>4791368
if i have the chance to save illyas obviously i will
>>4791376
I am all for just letting her back if she dont want it, but we need to talk to her first before deciding anything.
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>>4791372
fucking based, now we can get away with anything with her now, Sakura can convince Broken Rin to install Eresh, would probably be for the better too
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>>4791378
You wanna tell how each Rin in >>4790884 would have been? The ones we didn't get? Spill your plans for them, give us the content
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>>4791360
This is why I'm saying, fuck it. Have Betty make bodies, and just keep the Rins.
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>>4791384
That's a lot of Rins, anon...
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>>4791376
actually it doesn't at all

>>4791386
I want Ishtarin and Ereshrin you see
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So what is winning?
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>>4791387
Yeah, so?
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>>4791389
Betty has Azathoth's Authority of Creation. I'm pretty sure she can make perfect empty Rin bodies for them.
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>>4791392
My plans for each Rin were only protoplasmic in origin, to only come to reality should they have been chosen.
Then I would've properly developed on the ideas I had for them.
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>>4791394
why'd we even bothering teleporting in Rins then?
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>>4791395
Why no Sparks Liner High Rin?
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>>4791387
Dont do it.
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>>4791380
That at least is true. I still don't see how we can convince her though.

>>4791382
>if i have the chance to save illyas obviously i will
We can't save everyone in the multiverse. We should prioritize the people in our own world.
>I am all for just letting her back if she dont want it
>Become a meatpuppet or we send you back to be killed by your father.
Sounds like intimidation, doesn't it? But anyway, let's talk to her first, yes.

>>4791386
And then you'll say we keep the bodies too and have Touko make puppets. Or maybe try the Rin gacha again. You just want more Rins, don't you?
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>>4791397
Not specifically a Dead End.
It's also not really that much different from Femme Fatale if Rin fails.
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>>4791396
Well, I voted for it because I wanted more Rins and a shot at Blonde Rin.
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What's winning anyway?
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>>4791403
>and a shot at Blonde Rin
so Eresh
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>>4791409
He meant Extra Rin
The one Rin in the multiverse who can use a Blu-ray Recorder.
Because she's not actually even really Rin.
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>>4791401
>And then you'll say we keep the bodies too and have Touko make puppets.
Why? If we guide Betty into making blank Rins, they won't be people, they'll just be bodies that look like Rin.

>>4791409
Nah, I wanted Extra Rin.
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>>4791305
>>4791288
Support.

>>4791408
I think above is what is winning, I think you can call the vote now if you want.
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>>4791411
would those meatpuppets even effect Ishtar and Eresh's personality? If they do, then this felt like kind of a waste
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>>4791414
Not sure. Betty can recreate souls though, so it's possible we could set them up to effect personality with Touko, Rin and the Casters helping.
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>>4791408
I think it's this >>4791305, with a few anons voting to ask them first and/or headpat all rins

>>4791414
Who knows? We didn't explore the option. That's why we should discuss things before we do them. Too late now. We're stuck with the extra Rins.
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>>4791418
>We're stuck with the extra Rins.
We can always keep the extra Rins and do it anyways. Especially if they don't want to become Psuedo-Servants.
Church Rin would be cool to have around.
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>>4791418
Ok then... Subvote.

Ask First?
Y/N

Headpat All?
Y/N
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>>4791423
>Ask First?
>Y
>Headpat All?
>Y
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>>4791423
Yes to both
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>>4791418
its not a waste because its better than letting then die.
>>4791423
Yes
Yes
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And which one of you was this?

>>>/a/221629317
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>>4791422
I'll admit I'm warming up to the idea, but I'm worried this'll open the Rin floodgates and we'll end up with more than a dozen of them.

Or if not Betty, ask Touko and Morgan if they can do something similar.

>>4791423
>Ask First?
Y. Of course

>>4791423
N. I don't think they'd appreciate it right away.
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>>4791423
Yes to both
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>>4791423
Y
Y
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>>4791428
Shinji Makiri did that.
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>>4791427
>its not a waste because its better than letting then die.
And when do we stop if we start thinking that way? A hundred saved Rins? A thousand? A million? Do we just fill the planet with copies of our friends?

>>4791428
Heh. Been a while since I saw one of these. But one year? That's too little.
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>>4791428
you did it
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>>4791434
Do we just fill the planet with copies of our friends?
Yes.
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>>4791423
Yeah on both
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>>4791434
>Heh. Been a while since I saw one of these. But one year? That's too little.
I stopped making them after I started running the quest.
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>>4791434
No, i mean in this situation, it isnt a waste that we summoned the rins because its better than letting then die, not that we will try to save all.
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>>4791428
1 year is a little too late, the best you can do is try to fix you shit with sakura and not die.
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>>4791440
the thread honestly isn't as fun if its only a year before the 5th HGW, there's very little you can do
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>>4791444
It would be like the speed run of vanilla Fate like we did probably.
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>>4791442
While I'm not entirely against keeping the inferior Rins, I'm worried this'll just open the floodgates. Especially after the haste of the decision to summon them. Anons can't possibly resist the lure to summon more.
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>>4791423
y
y

>>4791428
Here we go again
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You writting qm?
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>>4791445
it would still be interesting trying to repair shit with sakura and maybe help shirou.
>>4791448
It depends of the QM, he can just say no.
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>>4791448
I want to summon Wand!Shirou and Teddy Bear!Shirou.
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>>4791423
N
N

Church Rin will say no then we send her back to die. Of course we won't tell her we're sending her to die but tell her we're sending her back.

Broken Rin will probably be unresponsive unless it's Sakura.

Headlats will only be good for little Rin.
The others don't know you and your getting in their personal space. Church Rin is going to cut that hand off.
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>>4791423
Y
Y
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>>4791451
Yeah.
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>>4791453
>he can just say no.
WhatIs has literally never said no. We'll have to start policing ourselves at some point, we're acting like a kid at a candy store all the time.
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>>4791457
>SakuraIsTheQM
I knew it. I bet QM would vore us all if we upset her.
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Good thing about that thread is that its an excuse to shill this quest, now i'm starting to suspect that QM did make that thread

>>4791453
yeah but that's not really as fun, you're just warning people and getting them to do stuff, having a decade to prep is probably the most entertaining aspect in a normal isekai'd as Shinji scenario
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>>4791423

Y

Y
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>>4791455
>Church Rin is going to cut that hand off.
not like it would be any hard for us to fix our own hand.
She isnt that dumb to try anything and medea is holding her.
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>>4791463
Yeah, but it would be something different, it would be also quite harder if we dont go with any extra power.
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>>4791448
Too late for it now, once you headpat the lost puppy, you can't just throw it back on the streets.
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>>4791460
>Upseting Sakura
Why would we ever do such a thing?!
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>>4791235
Based
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>>4791466
I don't think she'd cut our hand off, or that we'd care if she did. But I don't believe she'll appreciate it if we headpat her right now. And catatonic Rin will either not respond, or recoil
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>>4791471
We literally upset her this morning when we used her deepest fears in rapid succession to get her to accept equality in the harem. She almost cried, anon. We still haven't made it up to her.
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>>4791476
Look, if we headpat Young Rin, all the other Rin will want headpats too. We have to be fair.
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>>4791479
>We still haven't made it up to her.
we're making it up to her tonight
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>>4791482
Objection: That... That's not how this works. At all.
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Where the fuck is BB
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>>4791487
are you actually autistic? it was a joke
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>>4791479
She's gonna get her Heaven's Feel soon, and you know it. We've been long, long overdue for an H scene.
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>>4791487
>headpat church Rin
>"Yorokobe, shoujo! You have been granted a second chance at life!"
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>>4791487
We dont really run on logic here.
Let us headpat the girls, it aint going to cause the end of the world.
>>4791489
good question.
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>>4791495
>tfw she is kidnapping our children
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>>4791428
Fresh meat
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>>4791466
So you wish to force a catatonic Rin and a Rim that considers magus heretics to accept headpats?

Just why? God this is just reminding people how retarded Shinji is.
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>>4791499
I thought it would be funny to taunt Catholic Rin and the headpat for Broken Rin would be more of a "its ok I swear" sorta thing
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>>4791499
its headpats i aint gotta explain shit
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>>4791499
>God this is just reminding people how retarded Shinji is.
He's not retarded.
He's special.
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>>4791502
Catatonic Rin likely dislike Shinji if she wasn't under all the depression.

Taunting catholic Rin just to do it is just unnecessary. Especially when we're asking her to do something.
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>>4791506
i cant wait for us to get to discount Hogwarts
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Headpats with Charisma B are our most effective weapon.
Possible tsun from church Rin will be a welcome change too.
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>>4791491
It is literally the name I chose to samefag under. But why do you think I was any more serious?

>>4791492
I hope for that too, but I'll believe it when I see it. There's always time for a meme vote to stop her like yesterday.

>>4791493
We're not telling her to rejoice? What the fuck?

>>4791495
>Let us headpat the girls
It's not like I'm stopping anyone, Illyafren. That's exactly what we'll be doing. Can't I just disagree in peace?

>>4791506
Oh, god. And people trust us to lead them.

>>4791513
So say we all.
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I say at least speak with Church Rin for a while, find out how she was raised, and what's her deal.
Of course, Broken Rin is the more important right now. Don't want her to have another mental breakdown.
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>>4791506
Interlude on what Shinji thinks about all those voices in his head?
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>>4791524
Yeah, it's in the Carnival, you keep not voting for it.
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Dropped my tripcode.
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>>4791525
Hey man I just want my Eva crossover
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>>4791519
>following a bunch of schizos on taiwanese dance lessons forum
Poor bastards.
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>>4791519
Eh, we've just kidnapped a bunch of girls to blackmail them into becoming our servants or die, Kirei would be happy desu.
Also I really want to say the phrase in front of everyone, sorry.
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So are we going to get married to our wives after the war?
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>>4791533
I would suggest waiting for after we save the world, yes. We can't rush the wedding(s?).
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>>4791533
well polygamy and incest are illegal so maybe not
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>>4791533
Of course
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>>4791537
>illegal
>richest man in the world
Do you think lobbying doesn't exist in Japan, anon?
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>>4791537
>illegal
We will make it legal. Have our King marry us if we must.
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>>4791539
That would still take years to do

>>4791540
At that point Mordred would throw in her legitimacy as rightful King of England which kinda ruins Clock Tower arc
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>>4791543
I think I understand now where the disconnect is. Why do you assume our wedding will be public to the normies? Why do you assume we care what Japan's paperwork says? We can have our King marry us in our garden, have everyone we care about attend the wedding, and not give a fuck about making it more official until we've taken over the world.
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>>4791543
If we were a regular run of the mill millionaire, maybe, but we have more money than the Japanese government spends in a year, AND the underworld wrapped around our finger. We say jump, the Diet jumps.
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>>4791549
> fund SAO
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>>4791548
sounds good yeah
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>>4791551
That's just EXTRA.
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Dead quest
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>>4791554
>Fund Nerv
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>>4791556
I'll make you dead.
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>>4791559
Pls no, I luv u
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>>4791562
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>>4791559
By my command seal, I command thee. WRITER finish the update!
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>>4791572
actually you bring up a good point. What happened to his command seals after he died. We didn't just leave it there for Manaka to pickup right?
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>>4791580
The QM told us it was wasted because rin just killed him or something.
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>>4791580
>>4791584
Don't worry, Gil has an infinite supply of them in his Gate of Babylon.
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Looking at the Broken Rin is enough to make your heart hurt just a little bit, and while you want to explain things to the confused younger Rin, you understand that right now it's important that you see the broken Rin first. "Tamamo, Medea, could you... handle the young Rin for me? Just... go and take her to the other children. I'll speak to her when I'm done here." You command the two Casters to take the young Rin out of the room, and the two Casters comply to your orders, the small Rin is simply too confused by the whole situation to even struggle or protest much at all, you even pat her on the head to receive no response from the girl herself, but Rin does give you an annoyed glance for doing such a thing, oh well. "Rin, Sakura... I think we need to talk to the other Rin." Seriously, this girl pretty clearly needs some help.

"Sakura..." You hear the Broken Rin mumble Sakura's name after you speak it, though she doesn't look up. Still too lost in her own sorrow. You... don't know what timeline that Rin dragged this Rin out from, but this is just... heartbreaking to see. Your Rin is pretty shaken as she looks at the Broken Rin as well, no matter what her thoughts might've been on things before, she's probably already considering the decision to try to help other versions of herself to be the right one.

Sakura has thankfully reverted back to her normal form now, and follows you over to the Broken Rin sitting on the floor with her hair obscuring her face. "Rin. Look at me, It's Shinji." Rin doesn't move for some time, before eventually she moves her head upwards to stare at you.

"But... Didn't Shirou... kill you?" Ouch, that's really not a good start to things, and it gives you all the information you need to know just where this Rin comes from, the Mind of Steel ending, the one where Shirou turned his heart to stone and walked the path of a 'superhero'.

"In your timeline, perhaps, but not in this one. In fact, I doubt that I'm anything like the Shinji you knew, on account of the differences in timelines. But... more importantly. Sakura... Give your sister a hug." Sakura hesitates and looks a little bit awkward about things, before she kneels down and slowly hugs Rin.

"Sakura..." Rin says the name of her sister again. you feel dreadful for this Rin. She must've been so utterly consumed by regret by what she did that in the end, Shirou killing her was probably more something done out of pity for the girl than it was to actually win the war. This Rin... This Rin is of no threat to anybody. Consumed by regret and fear. Hesitantly, you reach out a hand and gently pat the Broken Rin on the head. Rin would normally have protested, but it seems that she's so caught up in the moment of being hugged by Sakura, that she doesn't.
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>>4791524
BLINDING MY SIGHT IN A CURTAIN OF RED
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"Hey, other me." You stop patting the Broken Rin on the head as the other Rin approaches to kneel down and stare at the sobbing Rin. "I don't really know what sort of hardship you went through in the world I took you from, but... It's OK now, alright? Everything here is... OK." Well, other than the potential end of reality coming up, but sure. In fact you'd even go so far as to say that it's better than OK, and is nearly perfect. A perfect world that you have created. You decide to let the two sisters deal with the Broken Rin, and turn your attention to the last Rin, no longer bound by any sort of magic, and instead prevented from action simply by Gilgamesh's presence.

"Rin... Kotomine, I take it?" You already basically know the basic idea behind this girl. It's clearly a Rin who was adopted by Kotomine fully after the end of the Fourth War, possibly as a result of the Fourth War leaving the Tohsaka penniless, and Rin having nowhere else to go. Regardless, it seems like this Rin learned to consider Kirei Kotomine as her father, which would've only sharpened the pain at his inevitable betrayal of her.

"That's right, Shinji Matou, in my world, you were the Master of Archer. You were quite close to her until she was crushed by Berserker while trying to keep you safe." Rin states matter of factly, not exactly bothered by your presence. Clearly she doesn't consider you to be even close to the most important person in the room to be paying attention to. Ah well, that's her mistake.

"Wrong." You correct the Executor. Looks like she definitely met a version of you in her previous life. "I'm Shinji Makiri. I gave up the Matou name after I banished Zouken." Now, that visibly impresses the Church Executor, though she doesn't say anything about it. "I was given a mission from God, and I'm... a different sort of individual from the one you may have known. If you don't believe me though, try striking me with a Black Key." Black Keys are quite simply just solidified holy energy, so with any luck, you'll directly absorb the attack.

"I dislike being asked to attack somebody on request, but if you're telling the truth, I suppose I have no choice but to listen to you." Rick flicks another hilt of a Black Key into her hands and quickly forces the blade to manifest by pumping her magical energy into it. "I hope for your sake that you're not lying about this though." Rin suddenly thrusts forwards with her Black Key, and you're impressed by her martial skill, she's pretty good! That's what a life of combat training as an Executor will do for you, you suppose, and Rin has even more potential as an Executor than even Kotomine himself did. This Rin is a very dangerous person.
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The black key strikes you just on your left forearm. A strike that wasn't meant to be at all lethal, yet it fails all the same. Instead of piercing your flesh and cutting through bone, the black key simply dissolves the moment it touches your body. Rin pulls away in alarm before inspecting the now sundered black key. "Do you believe me now? God... he chose me to save this world." You whisper so that only Rin can hear you. Rin Kotomine looks at you with enraptured attention, good, you've managed to properly get her engaged. Now... Now comes the difficult part. You consider patting her on the head too, but... probably not a good move right now.

>"How would you like the power of a goddess on your side?"
>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"
>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess."
>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
>Write-in...
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>>4791607
>>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
>>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"
I feel like this eases into things and doesn't make us come off as a psychopath
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>>4791607
>>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess."
>"But before that, tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
We just cant pass this opportunity up.
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>>4791607
>>4791608
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>>4791607
>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"
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>>4791608
>>4791607
Support
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>>4791607
>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess."
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>>4791607
>>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?".
>"Can I head pat you?"
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>>4791605
>in my world, you were the Master of Archer. You were quite close to her until she was crushed by Berserker while trying to keep you safe
wonder who that was now
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>>4791621
Ohaiyo Onii-chan!
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I wanna ask who archer was. Must be quite someone to deal with OG Shinji.
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>>4791624
maybe it was Tomoe
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>>4791607
Last update for tonight QM or one more?
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>>4791607
Last update?
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>>4791607
>>4791608
support +1
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>>4791607
>>4791608
Support.
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>>4791607
>>4791608
+1
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>>4791627
>>4791629
Last yes gnight
I don't think you ever figured out all the clay figure servants.
You could also maybe think of a Concept for Eresh.
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>>4791645
>concept
Flowers
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I'm very excited to see the whiplash Broken Rin will have when she sees the differences between her Shinji and this Shinji, also excited to see Kotomine Rin, Rin and Ciel hangout
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>>4791607
Supporting >>4791608
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>>4791645
Would Life fuck her up?
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>>4791645
Would the concept be implanted on Eresh, or on Eresh+Rin?
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>>4791607
>>4791608
Support. Best way to go about this.
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>>4791661
also could Rin draw from Kotomine Rin's abilities? She's pretty strong
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>>4791661
Maybe Heaven could be good here instead of for Ilya? For fixing up her Underworld to be better, her being the dual opposite/complementer of Ishtar's Queen of Heaven thing, maybe letting her be more complete herself. She already has afterlife stuff.
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>>4791645
>You could also maybe think of a Concept for Eresh.
Rin
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>>4791621
I'm very curious too. Nobu, maybe?

>>4791645
No we didn't. Not enough info for some. We'll have to ask Merlin.

And I say we wait for the concept. I can't really think of anything, really.

>>4791651
Nothing compared to the whiplash of seeing Sakura alive. Or the PTSD of coming across Shirou.

>>4791671
I can see how Heaven would fit Eresh, yeah.
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Hm.
Would having betty make empty rin bodies, putting then inside and then putting the concept of "rin" on it work the same as putting then in rin?
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>>4791607
>>4791608
Support.

>>4791601
As I was reading this. The only thing I thought fitting to play. The only thing I listened to and the only thing that I felt was worth playing. Was Grief from Fate/Zero. I suppose you could say its a bit fitting.
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>>4791681
we really should've come up with this before we brought in more Rins
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Eresh should get something that helps with creating the paradise she wanted.
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>>4791681
Might be worth trying.
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>>4791685
This is why I suggested Heaven, Paradise by itself can also work, I guess? Since she should be one with her underworld due to authority.
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>>4791684
Yes. Yes we should have. I really wish we start thinking about the consequences of our actions beyond a single update.
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So.....what will we do with the Young Rin?If we are going to send her back then......it feels almost wrong to do so. Are we perhaps going to Adopt her. 4th times the charm right ;) though....should we do this. Will we still call her Rin. Or will we give her another name.
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>>4791681
I don't think the "Rin" concept would have any soul to attach itself to, so it would probably only create a more "Rin-like" body.
Similarly how we probably can't clone people by attaching a "Shirou" concept to a rock for example. It probably wouldn't sprout a Shirou soul, if there is even such a thing without our guidance and mind to select for it.
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>>4791688
Well, enjoy your Rin Menagerie.
The plural term for Rins is still Rin.
At least your Zero Rin will probably have a better childhood if you don't just send her back.
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>>4791681
We can only do it for one of them. No repeat concepts. And the concept of Rin sounds like it would obliterate the original goddess and replace her with another rin.

And can we maybe talk about what we want to do with Ishtar? Because I don't think having Ishtarin Kotomine as a maid is a viable option. This Rin doesn't deserve it, and Ishtarin will be a different person that even Gilthinkd tolerate.
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>>4791703
I'm still up for having Betty make Rin bodies and seeing how that works. If anything, we just put a bunch of seals or something on Ishtar to keep her out of trouble.

>>4791701
>At least your Zero Rin will probably have a better childhood if you don't just send her back.
We are keeping all the Rin, especially the Tiny Rin and the Sad Rin and the Church Rin.
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>>4791703
Technically, she could work part-time as a maid if Ishtar agreed to share the body in timeslots.
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>>4791607
>>4791611
>>"Rejoice young girl! For your wish shall finally be granted! I uh... I mean I want to know how you'd feel about being a host of a Goddess."
>"But before that, tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
Well, I have to go with this after the shitposting.
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>>4791707
That may work.
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I don't really enjoy the idea of Rin Kotomine being bullied by others because of Ishtar.
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>>4791701
>enjoy your Rin Menagerie.
Don't encourage them, or we'll really need a menagerie in the end.

I think we should ask our Rin what to do with her younger self. She remembers what it was like. We can give zero Rin a happier childhood, but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakura? Perhaps we should give her some glimpses at the walkthrough and trust her to do what we did with a normal 5th war?

Would be a kino interlude for sure

>>4791707
Not a bad idea.
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>>4791719
That's exactly what I've been saying about maid Ishtarin all along. No Rin would have deserved that.
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>>4791720
>but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakura?
You're right. We should kidnap her Shirou and her Sakura.
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>>4791720
>but is it really for the best to essentialy kidnap her away from her Shirou and her Sakura
she was going to die
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>>4791727
And then Kirei and Gil win. We doom that world. That Taiga and that Waver and that Illya and everyone else. Think things through, please. That way lies only madness.
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>>4791720
I like the idea of making her Alitheia's personal maid (read childhood friend).
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>>4791730
And it was right to save her. But it is not right to keep her when we can send her home safely.
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If this timeline wasn't locked off to him, he'd have shown up personally at this point.
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>>4791736
>>4791732
First its why bother saving worlds, now its please think not to doom the other world? meh.
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>>4791735
If we keep her we have to adopt her. Making her Alitheia's maid instead of her sister would be too cruel..
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>>4791736
Too late. We've already given her headpats. Her original timeline won't take her back.

>>4791742
Why?
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>>4791742
Why is he locked out again? Shouldn't our timeline basically be always confirmed, so his non-interference thing doesn't matter? Or did someone force him out and I forgot?
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>>4791747
Rin keeps fucking with the Second Magic and reality is about to get destroyed, he'd need to get involved
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Also, I just realized. Do the two Rins also have extra Tohsaka Crests?
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>>4791748
Someone is keeping him out.
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>>4791752
fucking Alan/Manaka
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>>4791742
Naturally. I our Rin is his greatest pupil thanks to us. No one else has pulled off what she just did.

>>4791743
What do you want us to do then? Why? And why will the cost be acceptable?

>>4791748
Reread Nyarly's carnival moment. He's keeping Zelretch out.
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>>4791751
Technically, all three of them have the Tohsaka Crest, even Rin Kotomine, who doesn't use it at all.
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>>4791736
To be serious for a moment, they are Rin's doubles, she should have the final say in what to do with them.

>>4791732
What's another doomed world in a myriad of possibilities? You've invited madness the moment you've started to care about them at all.
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>>4791762
All you need to do is ask, and Nyarla would take this form.
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>>4791758
>What do you want us to do then? Why? And why will the cost be acceptable?
I want to keep the Rins, they are already here I couldn't care less about the other Worlds that may or may not be doomed by it, as there are already uncountable fucktons only in this Tree of Time, not even looking at others.

Maybe Zero Rin will try the original Nagato method of Martial Artsing to the Root instead.
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>>4791762
Is this anime good? I only know of it because of that catchy OP.
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>>4791762
>she should have the final say
This anon is probably right though, I guess.
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>>4791767
Tempting, but we already have too many women around us, no need to ruin based character like Alan
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>>4791762
>she should have the final say
I agree.

>You've invited madness the moment you've started to care about them at all.
I did not invite anything. I tried to argue against us pulling doomed Rins. If we care about doomed Rins, is it not right that we care about doomed others as well? Doomed due to our own actions no less?

Not that there's much of a point in discussing this when anons are so eager to rush with no thought on the consequences. All the discussion yesterday about what to do with the goddesses was pointless. Even the nigger's idea to give Ishtar's authorities to someone else AND keep her as a maid wasn't enough for anyone.
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>>4791767
Lorelei would be very mad though.
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>>4791770
>I couldn't care less
I care about this Rin's Sakura just as much (ok, more, not gonna lie) as I care about this Rin. I don't think we should prioritize this Rin just because she's in front of us right now.
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>>4791777
We didn't pull Rins because we feel bad about the World though. It was essentially because we wanted to. That is a much better mindset when dealing with all this timeline shit.
It may not be healthy in a normal singular World, but the reverse is true when dealing with infinities or at least vast numbers of Worlds.
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>>4791783
You can't both say that we shouldn't start caring about others because when will we stop and then say you care about alternates of our friends imo.

Either we can be as arbitrary as we like and who cares about other Worlds, only what we care about, or we super-jannie ourself for the multiverse.
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>>4791786
>It was essentially because we wanted to
I don't think it's much better than wanting to save all parallel worlds, but at least it is better, I concede.

>>4791789
My view: Caring about every world is madness. But we did decide we care about those Rins, and this young Rin in particular. How then can we decide we don't care about her Sakura and her Shirou? What makes this Rin more important than them?

I'm not saying we should care about every world, every Sakura. Just this specific one, since we already started caring.
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>>4791773
It's your usual rom-com, so maybe if that's your thing? Personally, I dropped it after 3 episodes.
The OP is great though.

>>4791777
You can only care about finite amount of people.
Trying to care about all the timelines leads you to bad places, Zolgen being one example.
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Should we pick up some gun training just because we can? I feel we should be able to dual wield PKPs after about a week.
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>>4791795
Until they arrive in our timeline, I don't care about them. Be selfish about it, don't become Archer.
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>>4791796
>You can only care about finite amount of people
I agree. I've been saying this all along. But we expanded this finite number to expand a few parallel Rins. Why draw the line there? What makes Rin so special? Why can't we expand it again a little to care about one, single Sakura?
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>>4791795
>What makes this Rin more important than them?
Merely our attention. That is all, and even disregarding our potential end point as Truth bullshit, that is all that matters in these matters.
Observation, confirmation through observation and decisions.

If you feel like you care enough about that particular Sakura, you just have to convince everyone to do so. I don't care at all, for example, about anyone else from her World.

There is no overarching great reason or principle outside of the decision. My bro Crawling Chaos and Alaya will back me up.
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>>4791802
>Be selfish about it
Reread my name anon. My wish to give this Rin a walkthrough and have her save her world is very much a selfish one.
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>>4791807
Then don't talk about principles/lines or specialness or expanding our caring or whatever. Just try to convince anons based not on reason, as that makes no sense.
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>>4791796
Good to know will probably try it then.
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>>4791742
HEY
YOU KEEP BITCHING ABOUT RIN ADOPTING YOUNG CHILDREN AND BECOMING A PIRATE
NOW SHE CAN ADOPT ALTERNATE VERSIONS OF HERSELF
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>>4791806
>Merely our attention
She is here because we cared. Not the other way around. And we cared before we laid our eyes on her. I see your argument as somewhat of a post-fact rationalization.

>>4791812
But I thought that's what I'd been doing?
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>>4791804
Opportunism. Anons wanted Rins to chain Ishtar and Eresh.
Other Sakuras won't become real until they react with Shinji. They don't exist, our Sakura does.
New Sakura would create many more problems in a way new Rin doesn't.
If anons do bring other Sakura here, I will acknowledge her as real.
Our Sakura won't like that imo.
Basically, only this timeline matters and I'm too tired and should go to sleep.

Do you like our alien view of reality, WhatIs?
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>>4791742
This is nothing. Wait until adopt a younger Zelretch.
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Dead quest Dead quest
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>>4791825
Actually, that makes me think of something. Something is keeping Zelretch out and we know the Neco-Arcs aren't allowed to interact with us officially.
Would whatever is keeping things out of our timeline allow these Rin to go back now that they've interacted with us or would it purge them or something as soon as we tried?
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>>4791835
Are the other Alayas quarantining us and not Alan or Manakas?
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>>4791836
Probably a combination of both.
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>>4791767
When can we visit Alaya again?
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>>4791843
I assume when we go to sleep, if we choose her again.
Reminder to ask her to free Saber, Emiya and Okita from their contracts when we get there.
Nobu might be happy. They're sort of friends I think?
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>>4791851
>Reminder to ask her to free Saber, Emiya and Okita from their contracts when we get there.
A-hem. You forgot Emiya and Tohsaka.
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>>4791864
Which Emiya?
Also, isn't TOHSAKA a joke?
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>>4791720
Sequel quest, Rin with metaknowledge groomed into her by this story's Shinji put back in her timeline, maybe with a few extra items like catalysts and some Item Construction things to help. Plans for another Kaliedosword?
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>>4791874
Jokes are the deepest lore tho. Earth Mother Goddess stuff in Saber Wars, Rhinegold in HA hanafuda, Bersercar greekbot, Cat Spirits in Back Alley Alliance, etc....
Probably not 1 to 1, but the principle makes sense? Of a CG RIN.
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>>4791878
She kills Zolgen early but neglects Prelati who basically triggers a FSF fuyuki hybrid scenario
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>>4791889
I think Prelati would be scared shitless of a groomed Rin. If Prelati had the balls to still go through with her creepy stalking of grail wars at least Richard and A-san get to shine. I wonder how our Ayaka would react to seeing A-san.
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>>4791843
When this happens.
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>>4791836
It would be in the best interests of both Manakas and Alan to not have uncle Zelretch interfere in their pissing contest over Shinji.
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>>4791908
I wonder if Sakura would get jealous if she knew what we were doing with Alaya in our dreams...
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I wonder what the other Alayas from the timelines the taken Rins were from are doing right now. Probably in a panic because now those rins are in the closed off timeline
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>>4791917
Other Alayas can seethe in jealousy all they want, they should have joined with the Stacey Thunderclit version of our!Alaya.
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>>4791902
Zeltrech gets personally involved to adopt the best Rin he can physically access
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Also where is our Fan and that Chinese monkey at?
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You know, just saying, if we do decide to send Child Rin back, her dad hasn't died yet. Or Kariya.
It wouldn't be that hard to for her to save Sakura. In the fgo Zero event, DUDE basically walked into the Matou house, grabbed Sakura, burned it to the ground, and chopped off Kariya's arm with the comand seals. All the worms left his body and DUDE burned them. Then Kariya and Sakura just left.
If we tell Rin to ask Waver, Iskandar would do it no problem, he'd even make Kariya choose Sakura over revenge.
Hell, she could also just tell her dad about Kotomine, and save him easily. Although her father being dead technically leads to her being a better person, so I dunno.
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>>4791967
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>>4791607
Going with >>4791608
I wanted to do Rejoice speech but she looks like less of an asshole than we thought initially.
And I hope she says who that Archer was.
>>4791645
>Concept for Eresh
Rejuvenation.
Helps her underworld, herself and Broken Rin at the same time.
>>4791767
That would be interesting but Nyarly would crush the competition like nothing if it happened.
But I am expecting him to do it at least once to get a rise out of the girls.
>>4791344
And yeah. Very much so.
I am still waiting for Rin Matou. You can`t just red text word "fun" and expect us not to be invested.
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>>4791645
Peace, Sanctuary, Fulfillment
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>>4792033
>Rejuvenation.
Could it actually make a not retarded reincarnation cycle with her Underworld?
A time of rest between lives?
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>>4792052
> a rest stop between cycles
that sounds comfy, I support it
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>>4791967
>Hell, she could also just tell her dad about Kotomine, and save him easily. Although her father being dead technically leads to her being a better person, so I dunno.
If she warns Tokiomi and he believes her, then the final fight becomes Tokiomi+Gil vs Kerry and Saber. I don't see Tokiomi walking out of this against an Avalon Kerry, which means the 4th war ends with the sisters reunited and living with their mother since Kariya will have been taken out of the war before he goes completely crazy. This should be the best possible outcome for them.
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>>4792107
Avalon Kerry nearly lost to Kotomine in the very first exchange. I'm betting on Tokiomi who was the guys teacher and superior in magecraft and combat.
Especially if he gets assmad and picks up his close combat mystic code
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>>4792109
Kotomine exploded his heart in the first exchange. What more can Tokiomi do to him? And Tokiomi won't have command seals to tank Kerry's bullets for him. I really don't see how he can win.
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>>4792111
>what more can Tokiomi do
Like maybe use his Fire element magecraft to incinerate his entire body? Its the Element which encompasses the concept of destruction.
Kerry with Avalon heals, but he both doesnt heal as good as Artoria, and cant activate the actual OP function.
Kerry's bullet also needs to hit, and depends on how many circuits you are actively using at the moment, which is why he baited Kayneth.
Either Tokiomi goes all out and vaporizes him, as without traps and tricks Kerry is weak, or he doesnt and gets a few circuits fried then kills him while he reloads imo.
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>>4792116
Kayneth's auto-defense physical mercury code was basically super bad compatibility against Kerry, compared to MA and Fire+gembombs Tokiomi
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Going purely by Nasuverse version of Ereshkigal
>In original Mesopotamian texts, she presided over the growth and decay of crops, bent the dragons and snakes to her will, and freely controlled the Garula familiars of the underworld. The 'Heavenly Mistress' Ishtar, and the Queen of the Great Below Ereshkigal held a rival relationship. Mythologically speaking, the goddess of the harvest Ishtar (Inanna) was the Great Earth Mother that represented human life while Ereshkigal, who represented human death, was the Terrible Earth Mother.
>Ereshkigal can only make use of her Authority within the Underworld. Inside her domain, she is absolute law, and every Heroic Spirit and deity will be left powerless if she so desires it.[13] With her authority, Ereshkigal has a number of attacks and security features that can be performed. One of them was even stated by Dr. Roman to have heat comparable to Ishtar's Noble Phantasm and was shown restraining Tiamat's "Titan" form, weakened by the wounds she sustained in her fall to the underworld.
>After allowing Dumuzid to leave the Underworld, she gained a portion of his Authority, similar to what happened with Nergal. She was hoping to gain his Authority over sheep, so she could use their wool to warm the souls in Kur, but instead Dumuzid left her with his ability to transform into serpents and antelope. Ereshkigal was not happy gaining a second Authority that doesn't help her improve the Underworld.
With her Personal Skills as Pseudo-Servant being related to her Authority as we already know
>Hidden Great Crown (A Rank): The crown of a goddess said to have been created from what she took from Ishtar. Of the heaven and earth, it allows her to make the various graces bestowed unto Ishtar her own, but those effects are made slightly darker (more gloomy).[1]
>Mana Burst (Cage) (A+ Rank): Ereshkigal is a diligent, earnest, and somewhat pessimistic goddess. On a regular basis, as long as she has the free time, she'll store up her mana in her spear cages to release in battle.[1]
>Protection of the Underworld (EX Rank): Offered as a pillar of the underworld she came to rule, Ereshkigal's authority. Until her rule comes to an end, she who controls the underworld is the underworld itself, as well as the queen protected by its bounds. Provides support to all allies as well as changing the effect of her Noble Phantasm.[1]
With FGO portraying them as massive buffs to everyone with things likes
>Grants self Invincibility for 1 turn.
>Chance to grant self Debuff Immunity for 1 turn.
>Chance to grant self Instant-Kill Immunity for 1 turn.
>Chance to increase own buff removal resistance by 100% for 1 turn.
>Increases party's defense for 3 turns.
>Increases party's NP generation rate for 3 turns.
>Increases party's Max HP for 3 turns.
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>>4792122
Plus
>Increases the attack of allies with Blessing of Kur buff by 20% for 3 turns.
Fro, her Noble Phantasm and her Noble Phantasm has this side effect as far as lore goes
>An earth impact that crumbles Mt. Ebih through earthquakes and alterations to the very terrain. While its firepower falls short of Ishtar's venus buster, the true meaning of this Noble Phantasm lies in 'changing the field to the underworld'. Within the underworld where she boasts the highest authority, Ereshkigal and all those who fight alongside her are granted a powerful grace.
With that in mind we should also recall that she is diligent worker and only wanted to help souls in her Underworld. In both Nasuverse and in real life mythology. With Ishtar getting all the nice things and Ereshkigal getting fucked over and receiving scorn for her grim duties which rest of the gods only made harder for her and souls in Underworld by denying her nice things and giving her bad powers which prevented her from improving Underworld.
Rejuvenation here would play big role for many reasons:
1. It is nice concept like Ereshkigal always wanted. It will help and heal souls in Underworld and those inside her domain as well.
2. Powers coming with concept of Rejuvenation are also those that heavily overlap with Pseudo-Servant Ereshkigal powers.
3. This makes Ereshkigal perfect counter to Morrígan and her powers. As well as allowing good combination with powers of Obeithion. Rejuvenation as a concept is a promise of hope and things getting better.
4. We also be helping Broken Rin with it too. She is mentally broken and Rejuvenation powers from Ereshkigal will be perfect way to help her from within.
5. And with Ereshkigal having SNAKE THEME Rejuvenation would also empower that aspect as well. For snakes it is no other than skin shedding. More common mythological associated with Rebirth and Reincarnation.
Rejuvenation is also much more natural process for Underworld itself and our plan to create better system of afterlife than that is currently in place. And we also avoid going for manahungry cheat concepts.
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>>4792116
You forget another important thing about Avalon Kerry: not only does he not die when he is killed, but he can push time alter way more than usual. He can dodge. Tokiomi will be the hardest fight of his life, but in the end he's just another powerful magus. Kerry has experience dealing with them, unlike with Kotomine.

Though you've made me wonder what happens if Tokiomi really wins. Gil dies, so all loose ends are eliminated. But how does he deal with the corrupted grail? Does he let Fuyuki burn, including his family, so he can still try to reach the root? Or does he finally find a cost he's not willing to pay and becomes a better person, like Kerry did?
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>>4792125
I like Rejuvenation for Eresh, yes. It suits her.
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>>4792122
>bent the dragons and snakes to her will
dohohoho

>>4791645
Maybe if we intend to make her into this timeline's caretaker of the deceased we should consider giving her some sort of reinforcement. It wouldn't do if a particularly powerful soul did something like Morrigan tried to Satsuki.
Maybe something like Sovereignty, or Inviolability? How would that change her disposition?
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>>4792135
Eresh is absolute in Kur and she holds both older and greater Mystery. Hers is an actual Authority. Eresh shouldn't have problems overpowering Morrigan
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>>4792128
Kerry with even Square Accel doesn't really measure up to good Reinforcement users, and Kotomine was specialized, by his innate attribute, towards spiritual surgery. I still say Tokiomi, from a family who 2 generations before tried to reach the Root via Martial Arts, and prides himself on doing magus things 200% can go faster.

Kerry is extremely good at ambush, traps, tricks and out of the box thinking to kill those stronger than himself. He is absolutely not good at whiteroom battles against even mid-tier magi who arent pure researchers. His achievements are already quite good for someone with no outstanding talent, cuircuits, a teacher or a complete Crest. Natalia taught him how to kill, and he does it well, but thats a specialized training.

As for the second, who knows. The best version of Tokiomi was the Space Tokiomi iirc, and he was more adventure archeologist like Indiana Jones than research magus and managed to raise the explicitly evil half of Astarte into essentially SN Rin, so its a big who knows.
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>>4792136
Inb4 syncretized with Cailleach and super OP Authority hidden on the sheet.
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>>4792140
>Cailleach
celtoids are just scuffed nords mixed with forestniggers

Sumeria is way older, celts are like ~600BC starting
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>>4792144
True,
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>>4792139
Maybe that's an angle we should also pursue for a happy ending to the 4th? Have our Rin write Tokiomi a letter from the future, tell him the grail is corrupted and cannot grant his wish, the Matou and the Einzbern are completely insane, and he should return the family to trying to reach enlightenment via martial arts instead of trying to cheat with a method that won't work? And ask the Edelfedts to adopt Sakura after she's saved from the worms because he wants her to become a magus and that's not what Zouken is doing with her?

That way we won't care what the outcome will be. If Kerry wins, Aoi raises both sisters. If Tokiomi wins, Sakura gets a happy childhood with Luvia like in Apocrypha and Rin pursues martial arts with her father.
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From FGO Bond Lvl 5 (Reach 4th Ascension) for Ereshkigal
>Ah... My powers over the sun, transformation, and the underworld have combined, and reached their limit...Ah... My powers over the sun, transformation, and the underworld have combined, and reached their limit...
Rejuvenation would also help her other powers.
Sun and Transformation are those things that align with Rejuvenation quite well.
And with Snake powers also starting to be desirable for Ereshkigal.
>>4791607
>>4791608
And can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with Truth? It cost us almost nothing, she is beat up right now and it would be really nice gesture after that we showed her right now.
Also, she likely know Ciel.
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>>4792150
This scenario does assume we are willing to, or capable, or sending the Rin back without alerting whatever is quarantining the timeline from Zelretch (Alayas? Alan? Something else?). If yes, then its a viable path, but I am not convinced of the starting point.
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>>4792154
>willing
That remains to be seen. We won't know for sure until we vote, and we need a viable plan to potentially vote for. But I think our Rin would prefer this over keeping her younger self here, and I think we all agree we should let our Rin have the final say.
>capable
I don't see why not. Zelretch is almost certainly being blocked by either Manaka or Nyarly to stop him from interfering with their plans. Rin was able to use the 2nd Magic freely and pull the other Rins here. She should be able to put them back no problem. That's what we were planning to do anyway if they refuse, right?

But if she can't do it, then obviously we have no choice.
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If you want to take an unorthodox and hilariously powerful approach to Eresh's concept, try Rome.

All roads lead there, just like the afterlife. Her Authority might then extend out into the surface world too, in areas of Civilisation.

comes with the premade Colosseum we wanted too

Might be a bit much to implement with current mana reserves though.
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>>4792159
If it comes down to it, can't we just ask Gil for some kind of magical steroid so we can do it? Or go for a Sash/Alitheia boost again, or even the meme approach of having Arturia fire low power Excaliburs at us and eating them.
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>>4792159
Wouldn`t this just link her to Human Order?
And
>Graeco-Roman syncretic folk religion
>In later times, the Greeks and Romans appear to have syncretized Ereshkigal with their own goddess Hecate. In the heading of a spell in the Michigan Magical Papyrus, which has been dated to the late third or early fourth century A.D., Hecate is referred to as "Hecate Ereschkigal" and is invoked using magical words and gestures to alleviate the caster's fear of punishment in the afterlife.
And we also have this distortion
>In a few cases, Hecate was said to have shared these powers with her most devoted followers. The most famous witch in Greek mythology received her knowledge of magic from Hecate.
>Medea’s magic was often described as having to do with necromancy, sleep, and the night. It was said that she learned herbalism and spells from Hecate herself.
>Several times, authors make a connection between Medea’s use of magic, both harmful and protective, and her worship of Hecate. They were so closely linked that Hecate was referred to as Medea’s mother in some later texts, although earlier ones had said she was the child of an Oceanid.
>Even in descriptions of Medea’s witchcraft, it is difficult to distinguish magical rituals from more standard worship and rites.
>Many of the rituals described in ancient texts, for example the elaborate sacrifice of a ewe in Argonautica, are in keeping with what is known about the worship of other deities of the underworld.
>Hecate, however, is routinely described as the goddess of witchcraft and associated with characters like Medea and Circe, the witch of Homer’s Odyssey. As a cthonic goddess of the underworld, her rituals and rites were often associated with death and secrecy.
And Hecate is also considered to be part of Triple deity. Like Morrígan.
I have no idea how this will translates to Nasuverse.
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>>4792159
>All roads lead there, just like the afterlife
Bad nigger. This is hilarious yes, but too retarded.
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>>4792153
>And can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with Truth? It cost us almost nothing, she is beat up right now and it would be really nice gesture after that we showed her right now.
yup we have to do this
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>>4792166
Being conceptually linked to the human order means she'll never be alone again.

>>4792167
Has it ever actually been too retarded though?
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>>4792153
>can we all agree to add healing Church Rin with Truth
Support

>>4792173
Just a bit ago we got ourselves into our first unwinnable fight that we should have retreated from. There's always a first time for everything. Asha was the most similar concept to what you're proposing, and it wasn't based on a pun.
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>>4792166
Outside of the Twelve Olympians and their direct ancestors like titans and protogenoi, they weren't robochads iirc, and even seems like Dionysus is not a robo.
They did incorporate, forcefully or otherwise, native Divine Spirits into their pantheon and distorted their legends/worship and through that their actual existence like Castor and Pollux being originally completely unrelated Gods and being demoted to specific demigods.
It is possible thus, that Hecate was an incorporated bunrei or aspect of Ereshkigal, into the Olympians after they became the Greek Gods instead of Atlantians? Since Ishtar and Ereshkigal are already split aspects of Inanna/Astarte, it is possible Eresh also had a split aspect or spun off part later?

Divine Spirits can probably sustain such splitting and multiple identities based on what we know, and since the textures themselves were bounded by a given cultural sphere itself, it may be used to explain such things?

Would this make sense if one chooses to try incorporating Hecate-Eresh into Nasu?
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>>4792175
Take note that in Nasu the "Twelve Olympians" are weird, in that Hades is included, so it may not be the usual roster amongst Titans etc as well.
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https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Towards_the_Cosmos

Think about big picture goals for the quest.

>>4792174
Puns are very serious in nasuverse

case in point:
https://youtu.be/VWsthlp8wpA?t=789
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>>4792178
>Love
>Romance (Roma)
>Human dreams given form.
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>>4792166
Make our own Morrigan.

With ROMA, roses blooming throughout the underworld and no smelly celtniggers.

Also, ROMA civilised read: removed the celtoid scum when they bought forth civilisation.
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>>4792182
>>4792173
If we actually link Eresh to Human Order, we could maybe integrate Gods with personalities and the Afterlife into the Laws of Physics.
This would also mean they would be regulated and integrated like the OP mountain hobos becoming civilized (weaker), instead of just rejected which can be fought off with energy.
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>>4792175
Even if we do this and it does work, Hecate-Ereshkigal will be very different from the Ereshkigal we know. Do we really want to do this? We're always so talking about whether or not we can, but we never stop to think if we should

>>4792178
God, why is FGO so fucking retarded?

>>4792182
Do we really want to turn Eresh into a schizo? I thought we liked her.
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>>4792186
I didn't mean to make Hecate-Ereshkigal, I meant how Hecate-Eresh can naturally exist in the setting if the syncretism is true, and after Amaterasu and Scathach-Skadi things I wouldn't be surprised.
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>>4792186
She's already a melded schizo by being shoved into Rin. We'd already purposely decided to make her a partial schizo to tone down her unfiltered state into deredere Eresh.

This shouldn't change much personality?

>>4792185
Ancient underworld Goddess with one of if not the oldest Authorities for the other side of the coin is the way to start setting the foundations for all the grandiose autistic plans people have been throwing around.

It might add an extra one though.
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I have no clue what half of this means what the hell is Hecate-Ereshkigal am is everyone schizophrenic or is it me.
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>>4792186
>I thought we liked her.
Are we as Shinji ourselves not the ultimate schizo? Our every action is based on majority vote.
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>>4792191
You must be this autistic to ride the powergaming conceptual autism ride, sorry anon.
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>>4792189
The nigger does want to make her this though. Sorry, I thought you agreed.

>>4792190
So, since we're making her into a partial schizo out of necessity we might as well make her into a full schizo for power? What's wrong with you my nigga? You've never disregarded the cost of your plans before.

>>4792191
You know who Eresh is. Hecate was a Roman goddess that the Romans tied to Ereshkigal in her mythology. The nigger is talking about us doing the same and merging Hecate with Eresh, like how Morrigan is three goddesses merged together.
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>>4792193
We are, yes. This is NOT a good thing. We shouldn't want to spread madness around.
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>>4792196
I do want to potentially integrate her into the Human Order, but that has nothing to do with syncretizing her with other beings.

That is inevitable if we want an Afterlife though, otherwise Alaya is just going to keep rejecting it and trying to shove her out of the World and human souls won't go there.

If you want a universal afterlife you either need to completely end the Primacy of Man and instate a new Age where its permissible, or wire the concept of life after death (Authority of an Underworld God or Goddess) into the Human Order/Physics.
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>>4792175
>>4792182
I can see a point. But my problem here is that Ereshkigal was helpful and nice to us so experimenting on her is uncalled for. After all we trying to set up good example and mostly went for radical things if we needed them to win and not for our amusment.
Now, if you have some really good ideas for Ishtar like SPACE or something similar I am all ears.
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>>4792196
It's a maybe, Hecate is just how future people interpreted her. There's no guarantee she'll even get an extra personality.

Rome is about advancement of Civilisation, moving forward.

These are the sub concepts within Rom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mos_maiorum

Have a flick, let me know if any will actively damage her psyche in your opinion.

We don't have to give her a concept right away either, if this is something people want but it's too costly to implement now it can be down the road, giving more time to think on options.
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>>4792205
We're planning to end the Age of Man and replace it with a New Age of Gods/Age of Truth anyway, aren't we? I'm not against what you're proposing, but tying Eresh to Rome is not the right way to do it.

>>4792207
Why tie her to Rome at all? This is all based on a pun, like that fucking Muramasa clip. Or we base this on the Hecate connection, but Hecate is sufficiently different that Eresh will either also become something completely different or gain a second personality. Why? Why don't we just give her a nice, simple concept like the Rejuvenation that anon proposed? You didn't go digging for weird stuff for clae, you just went for Liberation because that's what he wanted the most.
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>>4792207
Speaking of, maybe something like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dii_involuti
which in Rome are probably related to the Novensiles gods be a good idea for Human Order based gods?

Have some kind of internal policy enforcing Gods who get "faith/heat" from the very Foundation of Man instead of worship, making them unreliant on caving to people.

Or just have every God be like that? Something between a faceless system and an old-school God, where they have wills and personalities and can act, but not in an official capacity as their Systems/Authority, with avatars to have a check on not having the potential of old abuses of power?
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>>4792216
Its not based on a pun.
We found out from Grand Lancer Roma that Rome is the very base foundational concept of the Human Order and human civilization (for some reason? I guess spreading far?).
Thus it would be "rome" but actuality it would be "Humanity". Grand Roma is also the Human God, due to being the founder of Rome iirc, and seeks to send people to Age of Will essentially.
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>>4792207
For the lazy

>Fides
>The Latin word fides encompasses several English words, such as trust/trustworthiness, good faith/faithfulness, confidence, reliability and credibility.

>Pietas
>Pietas was the Roman attitude of dutiful respect towards the gods, homeland, parents and family, which required the maintenance of relationships in a moral and dutiful manner.[21] Cicero defined pietas as "justice towards the gods.”

>Religio and cultus
>Related to the Latin verb religare, "to bind", religio was the bond between gods and mortals, as carried out in traditional religious practices[24] for preserving the pax deorum (“peace of the gods”).

>Disciplina
>The military character of Roman society suggests the importance of disciplina, as related to education, training, discipline and self-control.

>Gravitas and constantia
Gravitas was dignified self-control.[26] Constantia was steadiness or perseverance.

>Virtus
>Derived from the Latin word vir ("man"), virtus constituted the ideal of the true Roman male.[29] Gaius Lucilius discusses virtus in some of his work and says that it is virtus for a man to know what is good, evil, useless, shameful or dishonorable.[30]

>Dignitas and auctoritas
>Dignitas and auctoritas were the end result of displaying the values of the ideal Roman and the service of the state, in the forms of priesthoods, military positions and magistracies. Dignitas was reputation for worth, honour and esteem. Thus, a Roman who displayed their gravitas, constantia, fides, pietas and other values of a Roman would possess dignitas among their peers. Similarly, by that path, a Roman could earn auctoritas ("prestige and respect").[31]

>>4792216
Tying her to Hecate directly is bad because it guarantees schizo.

Tying her to Rome links her to the above values and the Human Order, the concept is compatible because of her acceptance as a Greco-Roman Goddess under the pseudonym Hecate, but we're not putting Hecate there, that's just the link/bridge for it to work.
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>>4792210
Conceptual Sexual Love Holy Nun Ishtarin BDSM Ryona.

Here is some of those super schizo rumblings about Ishtar = Virgin Mary I talked few threads earlier about
https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/mary-a-pagan-goddess.php

Or WHY WE SHOULD GIVE ISHTAR CONCEPT OF VIRGINITY.
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>>4792224
Nero can baptise her with something from the sippy cup and wash all the cum away.

Whorishness forgiven ok :DDD

Eternal chastity awaits
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>>4792224
You might as well try syncretizing her with all the Venus things like Lucifer and Báidi (West Metal Venus Autumn God) at that point.
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Also Sakurafren, tell me Eresh would not like the ability to paint over the gloominess of Kur in this manner?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_(festival)

Bright colourful Roman Arcitecture for the dead to live in rather than literal cages. They're not mexican children, the dead deserve a nice place to live and Eresh deserves a territory that is vibrant and alive.
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>>4792226
>>4792231
That thing has some dedicated followers.
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>>4792219
>Its not based on a pun.
>All roads lead there, just like the afterlife
Even if we can mental gymnastics to justify it, the nigger still based it on a pun.

>>4792222
>Tying her to Hecate directly is bad
>we're not putting Hecate there, that's just the link/bridge for it to work
I see a legitimate reason to worry here. You're trying to fit a square Roman peg into a round Babylonian hole and using Hecate as lubricant. I can easily see this going very, very wrong and giving us an Eresh very different from the one we want.

I'll repeat my question:
>Why? Why don't we just give her a nice, simple concept like the Rejuvenation that anon proposed? You didn't go digging for weird stuff for clae, you just went for Liberation because that's what he wanted the most.

>>4792233
She would, definitely. But is this the really the best way to do this? Won't Rejuvenation work just as well to fill the underworld with flowers and other bright things? Or something similar, if you don't like Rejuvenation for some reason.
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>>4792236
I disagree that its "mental gymnastics" given that the entire Amaterasu syncretism chain is based on an extremely obscure Shingon Buddhism sect, and the entire Hecate-Eresh connection is both older and more established than that.
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>>4792236
I feel anything other than some insane concept for Eresh is a waste.

She's one of the few ways to begin actualising the autism people have started wanting for the conclusion/future setting of the quest.

If we waste her concept slot on a passive heal it'll really limit how we'd be able to go about things without becoming some unironic CULTIVATORMAXX sped.

Remember Sumer is the birthplace of Civilisation, Rome was the continuation and full actualisation. The civilisation where writing and other integral concepts for Civilisation was seeded being accelerated to a logical conclusion is a bit better as lube it'd imagine?

Also, go look at what GoB is on a conceptual level. It's almost like a human made Authority of all things made by mankind, under the ownership of Gil. If not for the domineering presence of the Gods Sumer is basically just proto Rome.

Gil's vision for humanity in CCC is the same as Romulus' wishes listed directly from his bond ce. and he is, on all levels, ROME.
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Oh and by exact quest dialogue, Eresh was happy to have herself be destroyed to simply prevent Ishtar getting a foothold in Ilya.

We're offering her almost Ishtar's megawanked Goddess of Everything position and not really asking anything of her, other than to maybe have to spend a bit of time dormant personality wise which she has always done with Ishtar anyway. It's nothing but an improvement for her.
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>>4792247
Plus Pietas/Religio/Cultus subconcepts to ensure she stays respected and well linked to the very humans she has worked for near eternity to try and preserve from rootblender
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>>4792249
If Eresh is linked to the Human Order, she basically gets the best possible end for any God that's not Roma (or maybe even him?).

She can go with the rest of humans/post-humans into the Age of Will and expand into space instead of being left behind and dying with the planet.
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>>4792252
She's probably the only God most would offer that privilege
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All that powergaming but I am more enthralled to the idea about telling Gil that we will link Ishtar to the concept of Virginity across all realities.
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>>4792216
>Age of Truth
As to creating something like this, first we'd have to convince Alaya to go along with it, so human primacy or at least guaranteeing a higher goal than the Age of Will should be minimum.
After that, we'd have to influence people on the global scale to precisely align mentally with what we want, in order for the Order to be restructured.
Then we have to add in features we want to regulate and control stuff, but still let cool stuff that was based in Mystery before exist without it.

Maybe Truth replacing Mystery and Science both, as they are from the same source and end the same? Especially from our perspective.
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>>4792241
>Amaterasu syncretism
And I will argue against giving Indian concepts to Tamamo just as hard as I'm arguing against giving Roman ones to Eresh.

>>4792242
>I feel anything other than some insane concept for Eresh is a waste.
I don't feel the same way. Eresh as the supreme queen of the underworld is plenty strong already. She doesn't need an insane concept, she needs a simple one to make her realm nicer. And we didn't choose her for her power, but for her personality. We need to be very careful not to change that in our quest for power.

Eresh is key, yes. But we don't have to solve every single problem with a quick application of a concept. There are other ways. Aylesbury is the key to returning the world to the Age of Gods. We have some of the best Casters of history by our side. I am CERTAIN that we can devise a modified ritual to do exactly what we want to do after we kick the vamps out. And it will be a fun adventure to get what we need the right way instead of the easy way. We have no need to hurry either. We literally have eternity ahead of us.

>>4792247
We are offering her a lot, yes. But we are offering her a lot even without tying her to Rome. I am not convinced Rome has a strong enough connection to her to offer her just an empowerment without fundamentally changing her. Remember, tying Vritra to Zoroastrianism fundamentally changed her. It was necessary because she was empty inside, but that's not the case for Eresh. This isn't something we should do to her.
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>>4792255
Ishtar is a good target for a meme concept, virginity is solid though.

Unironically though

>"reddit" is the Latin word for render, which among other things means "to submit for consideration or approval"

Make ishtar reddit, sub concept freebie of virgin, while also forcing her to ask for permission before doing anything. And she's a literal meme.
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>>4792260
Autist, you don't have to oppose Amaterasu Syncretism, its already canon. Dakini=Vairocana=Amaterasu is in Extra mats, Tama uses the same Dakini magic Kiara uses and Ama is the God Kiara's cult worships.
Amaterasu is also a Buddha/Deva like being.
There is nothing to give her re:syncretism, its already done.
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This looks interesting, and something we could work with... although perhaps better suited to Gilgamesh if he wanted to get upgraded:

>Every man also had duties to his fellow man which had some religious character, particularly the king's duties to his subjects. It was thought that one of the reasons the gods gave power to the king was to exercise justice and righteousness,[50] described as mēšaru and kettu, literally "straightness, rightness, firmness, truth".[51] Examples of this include not alienating and causing dissension between friends and relatives, setting innocent prisoners free, being truthful, being honest in trade, respecting boundary lines and property rights, and not putting on airs with subordinates. Some of these guidelines are found in the second tablet of the Šurpu incantation series.[46]

How is Eresh's afterlife supposed to work anyway? In original myth it's just repository of ghosts, would that be compatible with how we understand setting's cosmology or would it create an imbalance that will kick us in the nuts down the line?
Further, the next of kin were supposed to provide succour for the deceased, which means there would be a path to interact from mortal world to her afterlife. Could it be hijacked?

If the dead are meant to return into the cycle, how are they going to do so? Scrubbed of their memories and personalities? What if they don't want to go? Will the afterlife's ambience impose onto them idea of coming to terms with their end of self so they can be recycled? In that case she might benefit from idea like
>Pacification
although Satsuki might make good use of that as well I suppose.

One thing I'm worried about with Rome is that even if this Hecate thing won't alter or impose onto her a new personality is that the link might be too weak to facilitate such a wide concept and we're not in grandfather's wild ride with ambient magic everywhere anymore.
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>Ishtar
>Virginity
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>>4792265
Always leave a door open for those who want to be soulblended. One of the defining things about mankind is Free Will., even if most choose to be niggercattle with it.

>>4792267
Are you enjoying what happens when I get a night off again?
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>>4792265
Kur seems to be basically Hades, Sheol or Yomi. Gray, shadow wraith people, dust, not much going on.

Can it be hijacked? Probably, but Eresh should have Gates that protect it. Still possible.

By imbalance do you mean too many dead people compared to living or...?

Reincarnation should probably be scrubbed of memories but something like colouring their soul/directionality by their actions in life that they remember and the judgement in the afterlife, if we can swing it.

Not that evil deeds=bad reincarnation, but trying to change their behaviour by changing their directionality slowly during many lives, so as to preserve continuity of Origin while changing it.
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>>4792268
>Are you enjoying what happens when I get a night off again?
It's pretty neat.
The Prime timeline sure is a mess.
It's no wonder the other Alaya are annoyed at your timeline.

Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.
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>>4792265
Also, probably have the afterlife reset the soul rot timer, so reincarnation doesn't end retardedly.
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>>4792274
>Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.
Never underestimate human stupidity, it will always overcome expectations.
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>>4792259
Do you REALLY think we'll have any difficulty at all to convince our Alaya? Hint: Check our charsheet again. And this will come after we've saved her numerous times, even from the other Alayas. She might want us to modify some aspects of the plan, but I don't see her saying no.

Age of Gods didn't end because people started mentally aligning with a different order, did it? Why would this be necessary now?

I'm not sure how you imagine the Age of Truth to be, but we want more cool stuff in it, not less.

>>4792264
I don't oppose Amaterasu syncretism. You're right. But I will oppose leaning on that syncretism to give Tamamo a concept if it ever comes up.

>>4792265
>would that be compatible with how we understand setting's cosmology
The root currently munches on all souls upon death, but it doesn't need to. It is infinite. Nothing at all will change for it if it stops munching on souls. I see no reason to assume having Eresh make a nice holding pen for souls will kick us in the nuts down the line.

>Scrubbed of their memories and personalities?
I would assume so, yeah. Memories scrubbed, some lingering effects of their previous personality and actions remain, perhaps. Or both scrubbed entirely.

>What if they don't want to go?
Then Eresh lets them stay until they get bored and decide they want another go at life's wild ride?

>>4792274
>It's no wonder the other Alaya are annoyed at your timeline.
They should have done a better job managing their timelines if they didn't want us to interfere. They'll cope.

>Also I highly doubt anybody will want to walk into the Kur Soulblender.
You'd be surprised. I can imagine a few choosing it of their own free will. Why not have the option available? It'll even make the rest feel better about not choosing it.
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>>4792274
Practicality of "Rome" as a concept after reading all this retardation?
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>>4792272
By imbalance I mean something like unrestricted growth of the afterlife. If nasuverse operates on limited resources that make it eradicate branching timelines, an open ended afterlife is going to eventually cause similar problems. Although I suppose this is not really comparable with splitting of timelines unless we take absurd time periods.

As for judgment, that would be new I believe since I don't think Eresh's afterlife had any of that.
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>>4792281
>They should have done a better job managing their timelines if they didn't want us to interfere. They'll cope.
They'll cope by sending another entity like Merlin but less nice.
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>>4792286
Sorry this is the trunk of time, those sound like branchcuck problems
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>>4792281
>Age of Gods didn't end because people started mentally aligning with a different order, did it?
Specifically, Humans became the Primates, or Prime Ones, and thus their Order was supreme not the Gods who got BTFO 14,000 BCE.

Their mentality DID matter, in that the Planet itself specifically and explicitly conforms to the Order of the present Prime Ones.
This is why the Planet excluded Gods etc to the Reverse. They still exist, they are just locked out from this layer.
Based on this, if the Humans did not require or want this, it would not have happened, even if its subconscious.

>But I will oppose leaning on that syncretism to give Tamamo a concept if it ever comes up.
This one I think just makes 0% sense and may be in fact weirding me out. You accept that she is syncretized. But reject that syncretization the very next sentence. Are you sure you wrote that right? Its not that Amaterasu was turned into these other gods by belief or anything. She was from the START, by her own merit and will, these things, just different cultures interpreted her directly.

Tamamo herself is not even a kitsune, she is a chinese Yakan jackal, which was a kind of spirit "imported" from India by way of rumours and tales.
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>>4792278
>>4792281
>it is time to choose
>You can choose to live forever in afterlife with family and friends
>or you can step into soul blender to be reincarnated/used as power-up juice for Eresh
yuo must choose

>>4792283
All roads lead to Rome = Everything dies?
But what about the people you know who don't die? Like Asha, SHIKI, Enkidu and Ciel?
Then there are the links to a maybe MECHACHAD
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>>4792286
We can just cannibalize other Timelines for resources. Solved.

Or just try for some gigabrain move by using Lostbelt/Logos React tech to simulate realities and bring the simulation to reality, achieving greater than 100% resource efficiency.

The perpetual energy generators in Tsuki no Sango, a timeline where magecraft survived into the far future, openly and with tech somehow, look like Trees of Fantasy or opened Rhongos.
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>Giving Tamamo a Concept
You guys... you really want to meet Ammy, don't you?
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>>4792267
Great, you see?
And check >>4792153
Can you call healing subvote for Church Rin or outright include it in the update?
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>>4792153
Since Sun Divinities in Nasu are more connected to the greater Universe than just the Planet, does Eresh also have that, then? It came up when Velber was optimized against the Planet's way of using Divinities.
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>>4792295
Ok

Do you want to heal Church Rin from her injuries before talking with her or not?
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>>4792292
Hecate has never been a mechachad unfortunately.

I can't find a good youtube clip of Faker using Hecatic Wheel to have a look at the design of the only thing directly linked to her design wise for traces of NANOMACHINES.

Those that don't die don't need an underworld, this is for the cattle anyway.
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>>4792294
Is Tamamo aware we've gone on a date with three girlfriends today?
Does she expect she's going to be next?

>Asha, SHIKI, Enkidu and Ciel?
At least they have each other to keep themselves warm during heat death of the universe.
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>>4792294
We can also offer her a deal. She has to have at least some idea we're not bluffing, even if she is bloodthirsty, she shouldn't be retarded or autistic enough to be dangerous then.
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>>4792294
>touch fluffy sun
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>>4792300
Yes.
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>>4792262
Chastity also works great for her.
>>4792299
She should? Sol Invictus is also a thing too.
Tamamo and Karna were few Servants who were good match for Velber 2 in Extella on their own.
>>4792300
Yes.
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>>4792301
Hecate was prob a normal Divine Spirit assimilated into the Greek pantheon like Castor and Pollux, just not as downgraded. I did float the idea it was Eresh aspect/bunrei like how Eresh and Ishtar themselves are Inanna splits.
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>>4792286
Yes, Eresh didn't judge. That's one of her good points. It's a big plus for us, since we don't particularly care what the normies did in life.

>>4792289
Then we either convince that one to defect too when he sees how much better our Perfect World is, or we kill them. And make our displeasure known. Our Alaya is as strong as all of them, as long as we deal with Manaka we'll be able to swing the balance of power her way and come to an accommodation. Or else.

>>4792291
>This one I think just makes 0% sense and may be in fact weirding me out
I'm probably not explaining it properly. I don't oppose Tamamo syncretism, that would be stupid, I oppose leaning on her Amaterasu connection at all, which I think includes syncretism. I also wouldn't oppose Eresh syncretism nearly that much if it didn't lean on the Hecate connection, which I think is dangerous for her personality.

>>4792292
>yuo must choose
>I'm sick of my wife nagging on me. Not even death did us apart. Soulblender here I come!

>>4792294
Absolutely not!

>>4792300
Yes
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>>4792303
Just try not to get her personally invested in you, because that's when things get dangerous.
>>4792304
Oh no.

>>4792302
Technically those four are just the True Immortals that don't die even if you kill them.
You can also include Scathach in that ranking too, if you don't let her die.
Medusa, Stheno, Euryale, Arturia, Mordred, Shirou... There are quite a few people who are biologically immortal.
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>>4792303
If she wants to ruin people, have some bloodsports etc, we can have her be our timeline invader commander/primary.

Above (nearly?) the time axis
Strong
Bloodthirsty so doesnt care about normies or collateral
Sun, so, universe based.
Potential Beast so may love (in some manner? Still counts for metaphysics) humanity. Compatible with Human Order.
If the other Alayas keeps sending us shit, we'll just take them over for extra resources.
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>>4792309
>Absolutely not!
It is inevitable.
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Also. Maybe save ROME/Human Order for Gil if he ever wants an upgrade?
He cares for Humanity in his own way, likes human civilization and fight threats to humans. His approach is also close to how Human Order operates. He was there at the start of Civilizations. And he hates gods and monsters.
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>>4792309
Ah, so you want to separate Tamamo from Amaterasu, somehow? I don't think that works, as she is not a completely independent lifeform, but a bunrei.

Unless you do something like install "Usurpation" on her and make her go cancer cell on Amaterasu to become the prime soul. Which uhh wouldn't recommend. Maybe something like "Volition" or something like it to have a connection that the other side can't manipulate or close as the best I can imagine.
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>>4792314
>fox wife disliked that
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>>4792316
I think separating them would be ideal, yes. I don't see how it can be done though, so I just want to keep things as they are right now instead of risking egodeathing fox wife and replacing her with a yandere Amaterasu.

Volition might work, yes. Independence perhaps to help her become independent. I've been thinking about this though, and I really can't come up with something I'd be confident in working.
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>>4792317
Well on the bright side you aren't a complete weakling like Hakuno and Tamamo is still pretty powerful with four of her tails, so she at least won't threaten to eat you and smite her. Probably.
>>4792323
Tamamo isn't at risk of becoming Amaterasu unless she decides to, even if she regrows all of her tails.
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>>4792323
The problem is that Shinto definitely won't have something like this, as Tamamo being a mitama is a natural thing there.
Chinese myth is also big on hierarchy so at most it can have rebellion and opposing heaven stuff but that usually makes you a devil or demon.
Indian same, dharma and adharma etc.

Normal concepts also don't really have anything. Maybe Symbiosis? So it would be a strictly mutually beneficial relationship, and slap anything negative down.
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>>4792327
>even if she regrows all of her tails.
And what if we apply an Amaterasu-related concept to her? Isn't there a risk there?

>>4792328
And that's why I advocate for leaving things as they are. It's not like she needs the power of a concept anyway.
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>>4792330
But don't you want to fondle that fluffy conceptual core?
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>>4792335
The tail is fluffier. Not to mention the fluffy ears.
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>>4792335
I kinda do. . .
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>>4792335
But don't you want to write out a vorechad bad end inside Tamamo's internal world from an incorrect dialogue choice?
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>>4792340
But the conceptual core is a mystery box.
It could even be fluffy tails!
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>>4792342
Why do you keep trying to get me to write vore?
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Also, Shingon syncretism let Nasu REALLY wank Amaterasu.

Vairocana says:

"Now, I, Vairocana Buddha am sitting atop a lotus pedestal; On a thousand flowers surrounding me are a thousand Sakyamuni Buddhas. Each flower supports a hundred million worlds; in each world a Sakyamuni Buddha appears. All are seated beneath a Bodhi-tree, all simultaneously attain Buddhahood. All these innumerable Buddhas have Vairocana as their original body."

and it is said

"he is 'the omnivalent wisdom-body, that he is the unborn, unmanifest, unchanging reality that rests quietly at the core of all phenomena."
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>>4792345
Why do you keep almost writing vore?
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>>4792343
Why are you doing this? WHYYYYYYY?

>>4792345
You're doing everything you can to encourage people to meet Amaterasu, who almost ate Hakuno. At some point, you're gonna stop pretending.
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>>4792347
Because you keep putting yourself in those situations? You were the one who walked down a spooky alleyway alone to meet Shuten. You decided to talk with Vritra rather than fight her...
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>>4792343
>conceptual core is a mystery box.
Ohhh.
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>>4792348
>WHYYYYYYYY?
Because it's funny.
>You're doing everything you can to encourage people to meet Amaterasu, who almost ate Hakuno. At some point, you're gonna stop pretending.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>4792350
I was lurking for the Shuten vote I swear.

Vrita was always going to require talk no jutsu, unless you expected her to just allow a bit of a struggle before letting us slip past. Mathematically we had no chance
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Your poor witch wife is going to fall behind in the Power Level scale again, even if she can use the Gate of Wyverns and summon Dragons.
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>>4792351
Anons are like magi. They love mystery.
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>>4792343
GACHA TIME
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>>4792355
We have some concepts ready for her.
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I still want you to turn on a TV and see if the normies have noticed that shit isn't right.
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>>4792355
I don`t mind talking with her after we are done with Rins and asking about Concepts.
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>>4792350
The only reason I was for recruiting Shuten is because I was worried about her soul flowing into the lesser grails if we killed her. You're the one who made her such a good girl later on.

And you literally rerolled Orochi's Servants to put Vritra there. People wanted to recruit her from before we even knew she was there. You couldn't have possibly expected our meeting with her to go any other way.

>>4792355
She's one of the few people around who actually needs a concept now.
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>>4792350
>You were the one who walked down a spooky alleyway alone to meet Shuten.
pretty sure you actively encouraged us back then.
Something along the lines "fortune favours the bold".
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>>4792355
>putting soon to be pregnant wife on the front lines
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>>4791607
>>4791608
>>4792300
+1
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>>4792364
>pretty sure you actively encouraged us back then.
I'd forgotten about that, but you're right.

Come on WhatIs. We didn't judge you when you admitted you were a Satsukifag. We won't judge when you admit you're a vorefag as well.
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>>4792364
Well, fortune did favor the bold.
But you might've gotten a little too bold now.
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>>4792360
That was a walt disney dragon animatronic, early advertisement of opening of the amusement park in Misaki.

And that prison thing, that was a happening by a rogue group of radical sculptor activists.
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>>4792369
pretty sure we just cucked to Morrigan
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>>4792369
This is all your fault.
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>>4792368
but being a Satsuki fag is not a deviancy, that's perfectly normal state of affairs. There's nothing to judge except for criminally good taste.
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>>4792369
Nothing is truly their own. It is ours, whether they know it or not.
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>>4792373
And that's why we're now TOO bold. It was an unwinnable fight without unacceptable collateral. We should have left sooner.

>>4792376
I don't disagree. I like Satsuki too. But I find WhatIs's denials really funny after everything he's done to encourage vorefaggotry int he quest.
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>>4792369
More like fortune favores the bold, QM.
>>4792345
I will grind you down and you will write me Vritra samesize vore.
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>>4792360
It's a day of relaxation. That doesn't sound very relaxing.
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>>4792381
I missed the vote concerning what we should actually do once we got there, there was always a chance. Satsuki could have stalemated her in pure melee combat, bested her if we gave her a Truth kiss infusion of magical power and re-enforcement before hand. She would have also underestimated her at first
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>>4792385
Could have even had Satsuki go straight ahead and lop off her arm before Morrigan's personality flooded back in, we can always heal her after the fact.
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>>4792385
>>4792388
Flame of Truth (anti-Divinity).
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>>4792385
>stalemated her in pure melee combat
Morrigan calls Cu, we get wrecked even faster. Probably dead end or worse because we haven't had the chance to call for reinforcements and make Morrigan leave.

Satsuki using her Gardens was the best option with what we knew at the time. We couldn't have expected Morrigan to usurp it. Hindsight is 20/20.

>>4792388
And what would that accomplish? Pissed off Morrigan gets serious immediately, we die. Or worse.

We seriously need to stop expecting we can win absolutely everything with no plan, no preparation and no backup. Manaka will eat us alive.
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>>4792385
>>4792388
>>4792391
Shinji Makiri Mythologie.
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>>4792393
>Manaka will eat us alive.
Maybe literally with our vorefag QM.
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>>4792394
tfw no hopeman (seaweed)

>>4792393
No arm means she can't call cu, as she no longer has CS.

Cu might unretard a bit too, but he's off the leash. We could always have left after taking off the arm too, maybe even keep it so we got defacto ownership of Cu. Truth bubble it, run straight out the window and have Medea yeet us out with a CS primed TP
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>>4792399
>No arm means she can't call cu
Yes, that's why she gets pissed and gets serious immediately. Either she wails-of-the-Banshee us immediately and we die, or she stops hiding, takes off the kiddie gloves and eats the city. Or perhaps something else. You were the one speculating about her charsheet, we can't possibly win with just us Satsuki and Chiyome, and she can't possibly let us go after we steal her Cu.
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>>4792393
You are right though, keikaku is needed even moreso when prep and backup are in short supply.

Jason may be a prick but he's proof thinking on your feet can still take you places. Just avoid being under your boat.
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>>4792404
Banshee scream does nothing to Shinji though, it's mental damage. She still has to roll gacha on her main personality too.

The risk was she rolled Nemain and Satsuki turned on us.

But I'd like to think considering she developed Salvation Garden, and that it's her actual mental landscape based around Shinji she'd snap out of it. QM is a Satsukifag anyway. Remember RMs are still active inside the person, they just get projected outwards when invoked properly.
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>>4792405
Agreed. But all our best keikaku relied on us having the right pieces around to solve the puzzle. We have to recognize that sometimes the puzzle is unsolveable with the right pieces at hand, especially when we deliberately picked a fight and left those pieces home.
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>>4792408
you don't need every piece to solve a puzzle, just one arranged the right way
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>>4792408
Oh and this point is actual hindsight but considering the time it took to get everyone, we should have had Medea bring just Scat.

That would have sufficed to buy time to bring others second.
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>>4792408
But ye there were possibilities available, can't undo it ofc but we haven't been put somewhere truly hopeless yet.

never give up
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>>4792399
>Avenger (Hack writing): A
>Oblivion Correction: EX
>Self-Replenishment (Mana): EX
>Determination of Truth:
>Wisdom Outside the Domain: EX
If you timeline sucks it gets annihilated.
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>>4792407
>it's mental damage
It's an instant death effect. I don't think it's the same as mental damage. But even so, Chiyome's there. She's not immune. That's worse than a dead end.

>QM is a Satsukifag anyway
I wouldn't count on that saving our ass if we're being deliberately reckless. At best, he'll decide to dead end us instead of letting something permanently bad happen to her.

>>4792409
We don't need every piece. We need the right pieces. Do you really think we'll go with just Satsuki and Chiyome again to confront Morrigan and Cu if we find them? Because if not, you're agreeing those aren't the right pieces to solve that puzzle.

>>4792411
Everything you've said is actual hindsight. The plan started going wrong when Morrigan usurped the Gardens. Could we really have expected that back then? Because if not, there's no way we would have done something different.
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>>4792412
I agree we haven't been put somewhere truly hopeless. I disagree this changes the situation. Risk and reward, cost and benefit. We need to start evaluating those. We don't need to be put somewhere truly hopeless to decide it's better to fold. Sometimes you just lose. Trying to raise and win anyway when you have a bad hand can make you lose something actually important.

Even if you do end up winning.
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>>4792385
>Clairvoyance (Death): B+++
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I wonder what happens if we summon Lu Bu and concept him with Loyalty.
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>>4792415
Banshees are beings that vomit curses, she's fine.

Also if we assume it was after Chiyome was there her NP could have always been on the cards.

If it was just Morrigan and we had surprise I reckon we'd be able to leave her a lot worse for where if we magically had the element of surprise and no prior knowledge ye.

I wouldn't have gone straight for Gardens because as dumb as it sounds, I kinda wanted to see Satsuki just belting something with her HUGE numbers. And I would have worried about a RM being a trump card, meaning that's a fragglerock through her heart. However large hitbox FIST isn't a trump card it's just a basic attack.

I need to know Chiyome's NP too

>>4792418
Losing an arm isn't dying
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Semen works instead of blood right?
Vampires need genetic material?
Daily morning bjs from Satsuki!
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>>4792422
WhatIs already agreed this is valid
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>>4792422
Yeah, it was confirmed.
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>>4792421
3rd sentence is almost legible, please understand
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>>4792422
yep
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>>4792424
>>4792426
How will Satsuki will feel about becoming a Monster Girl Quest character?
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>>4792430
Satisfied until it's time for another dose
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>>4792421
Banshees are beings that make those who hear their cry die. Not everything bad is a curse. Assuming this will get Chiyome killed.

We don't know what Chiyome's Noble Phantasm does. It's very probably it wouldn't help, and I would have argued against it when we have another option that appears certain.

I don't disagree we could have left her worse for wear. But we couldn't have WON without unacceptable collateral. Leaving her worse for wear is competely pointless if we don't win. And winning is completely pointless if it costs us too much.

I want to see Satsuki belting something too. But at that point, we were talking to her. We didn't have any backup. We thought we just needed a 10-sec touch to get Bazett free. Salvation Gardens is not really a trump card, and even if it is we have surprise. It really was our best option.

>>4792424
He really did.

I still want to keep feeding her our blood. In addition to... other bodily fluids.
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>>4792435
Oh no we would have never actually defeated her. Left her without a bond to Cu would be huge and seething enough to probably come after us is probably the best outcome there. We kinda got the Disengage (E---) outcome as even Satsuki thinks she can fix her rm on her own.

Wouldn't let her use it again until Morrigan is properly sorted though
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We'll get to see if QM is truly a vorefag if we get a CCC arc.
Alter-Egos are all Vorefus.
Yes even Kingprotea.
Especially Kingprotea.
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>>4792439
Sakura is basically a more pushy, well spoken Protea at this point
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>>4792435
>In addition to... other bodily fluids.
Can a vampire survive off of the exchange of Saliva alone?
Time to test.
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>>4792444
serious faced protea is unsettling
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>>4792422
Seems easier than vore
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>>4792446
How much material a DA needs escalates with age. We will inevitably switch to this mode of...feeding.
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>>4792445
She's both serious and trying to vore all the time in Foxtail.
Actually she vores Shinji in a Dream Sequence IIRC.
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>>4792437
>seething enough to probably come after us
That's exactly what I was afraid of. She WOULD have come after us, and she would NOT care about collateral or secrecy anymore. We'd have had our faces plastered on breaking news about a goddess eating Fuyuki while hunting us. Clocktower Harry Potter arc dead in the water, we have to fight everyone in the world instead.

We would have lost it all just because we couldn't have accepted to lose a little. Sometimes, you're just dealt a bad hand. Sometimes, it's even your fault. Trying to force a win anyway is how you get blown out by the guy with the actual good hand. Pick your battles. ALWAYS consider what you're risking by your actions. Otherwise you'll lose something you shouldn't have lost, and it will have been your fault.

I do agree we shouldn't put Satsuki in danger like this again until after we've dealt with Morrigan.
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>>4792447
>switch
Why not both? Or all three?
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>>4792447
QM said she can shapeshift at some point so I assume she can get large enough to swallow us whole.
Or do the Nrvnqsr style of absorbing people.

We'll need to learn how to respawn from a soul for this of course.
Why do I get the feeling that Ultimate Satsuki is going to be some sort of Galactus style planet eater?
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>>4792450
The scale of damage she could cause wouldn't be that high, Manaka is trying to stay under the radar, and within a minute there would be Gil/Enkidu/Scat/Alcides and potentially Karna etc. on top of her.

It could have gotten bad, but I doubt as bad as you might imagine, there's a lot more pieces on the board that would quell it before it was more than maybe a city block "terrorist attack"
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>>4792453
Manaka cares about limiting damage, but I doubt a pissed off Morrigan would. And I also doubt Manaka would have been able to bring her to heel when the thing she's dangling as a carrot is getting away.

There are a lot of pieces on the board, yes. But those pieces weren't there. A minute would have been more than enough to ruin everything. And even if they get there, what do they do that won't make breaking news? Flying man in golden armor firing off swords from the sky isn't really any more friendly to secrecy.

It's in the middle of the day, there's a reason no one even thinks about fighting a Grail War during the day!
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>>4792457
>there's a reason no one even thinks about fighting a Grail War during the day!
They aren't gigachads like us.
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>>4792460
We can win three grail wars in a day if we are serious.
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>>4792457
Manaka could blink Morrigan back to gbj in a second if she wanted, root connection stacked with whatever she's been doing towards Apotheosis.

Also, a phone call to Alan about the fun he would miss out on back at Clocktower if he didn't stop time for a particular woman for like 30 seconds.

Remember I kinda seeded the clocktower idea and I always figured we'd have to have faked a fresh identity for it too considering notoriety after the war, so I'm less bothered by normies.

I also just went straight into ride the giant golden dragon over the city to go after snake option.

The main reason magic is kept secret is dilution of Mystery makes it just not work.

This isn't a problem for Shinji so idm flexing to normies
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>>4792462
Shinji is like some kind of... Mystery Machine.
Jinkies!
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>>4792464
that's Truth machine to you
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>>4792465
I hope we get to summon this qt3.14 retard.
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>>4792460
You might be unconcerned about it, but I would prefer it very much if we went to the clocktower as Shinji Makiri. A good enough reason would get me to reconsider, but trying to WIN NOW, NOW, NOW is not a good enough reason. We lost nothing by retreating. Nothing at all. We gained nothing by pushing on, and would have gained very, very little even if your plan worked perfectly. Why risk it? What's the point?

I was the one who proposed the "ride giant dragon" plan. Saving the world was a good enough reason to risk it. I was also the one who proposed the "pin everything on grandpa with Waver's help" plan. I thought you approved?

We don't care about dilution of Mystery, true. But we care that the Clocktower doesn't think that this dilution of Mystery is our fault. We care that we don't get sealing designated. And we care about not leaving a pile of Enforcer corpses behind us instead of attending school. Don't we?
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>>4792469
If we can stay as Shinji that's well and good, I'll happily vote for subterfuge that pins blame on dead men. But I'm also happy to give it up if there's something else to be gained. Touko has plenty of tips on how to both have her work still copyright protected by the clocktower while they simultaneously are trying to kill her, apparently.

Sealing designations are only a problem if you're a shitter.

{spoiler]I will always write in and vote for kino, as entertainment is always better than pure gameplay.[/spoiler] Hence unflinching Dantes pick
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>>4792473
fuck it not correcting it again
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>>4792469
>We don't care about dilution of Mystery, true. But we care that the Clocktower doesn't think that this dilution of Mystery is our fault.
I'm pretty certain that through its impossibility to comprehend Truth is the Ultimate Mystery.
A machine designed to absorb primordial element gods to create a supreme creator god exploded trying to understand Truth.
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>>4792473
Touko also just had the Sealing revoked by Case Files somehow, so...
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>>4792477
Probably because killing her doesn't kill her and gets your enforcer vored by a primordial demon.
Lose/lose.
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>>4792473
>But I'm also happy to give it up if there's something else to be gained
I'm not. What we gain has to be big enough for me to consider it worth it. Risking Harry potter can only be worth it when the fate of the world is on the line, and that very much wasn't the case with Morrigan. We just got greedy and we wanted the trivial short-term gain while disregarding the not-so-trivial long term cost. And some anons didn't want to "pussy out" no matter the situation at hand.

I don't care about the Sealing Designation because I'm scared of the Enforcers. I care because I want us to infiltrate the Clocktower instead of purge it by force. And I want to do it while using our real name. I think those will be the more entertaining options by a mile. We're currently on track to do it properly, we have to fuck up really badly for us to need a fake moustache, and we almost fucked up for literally no reason.

Having to use a fake name and a fake face for everyone while we're trying to have fun recruit people to our cause will be a permanent black mark, a permanent cost just because we wouldn't think of the consequences beyond the next two minutes. Is it really so bad that Cu will wait a bit more to be rescued? Would it really have been so good if we'd gotten him there and then.? Good enough to risk it all?
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>>4792481
Arcueid exists in this world.
Just blame it on her.
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>>4792483
I don't care who we pin everything on, as long as we pin everything on someone. But grandpa's a much more natural scapegoat at this point.
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>>4792488
Arc already nuked Chaldea so it's also natural.
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>>4792488
Just ask Alan to patch things up and play classmates for a Harry Potter arc.
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>>4792492
Alan is like the cool badboy friend our dad thinks is a bad influence on us.
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>>4792488
How about we pin it on you?
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>>4792490
I don't think the Clocktower knows that. Freak accident, Moneybills messing with forces he shouldn't as far as they're concerned.

>>4792492
Can we please not sell our soul to Alan? I like the guy after he gave us our witch wife back, but I don't want to grow tentacles.
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>>4792495
I dunno, man, tentacles...
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>>4792495
Ju̴st̀ ͝be͢ ̴less ri͢śk ͡av̧ers̕ę ̢
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>>4792495
It is cool.
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I hope Alan comes to the moon with us to dab on Kiara with us.
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>>4792499
Never!
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>>4792507
Also do something cool with the Moon Altera/Velber.
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Sure would be funny if Alan got Lorelei pregnant
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>>4792513
https://vocaroo.com/1hcRjyj0cJ10

Whatever happened to Barbatos anyway?

Do we assume he got deleted with wormpa?

is he in the snek?
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Barbatos has the exact same colour scheme as the snake.

thinky thinky
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>>4792518
I don't think Alan would be the responsible type and help raise the kid.
...Unless we convince him that is.
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>>4792519
Well Snek is white with red eyes.
Probably just got vored by her and she took some of his traits.
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>>4792523
White snakes are an entire thing in asian myths, and Orochi also has that color scheme iirc.
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>>4792521
He was already buying the ring, anon.
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>>4792525
Well, looked it up. Only color parts are that the eyes are like winter-cherry and the stomach looks inflamed(enflamed? red?)
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I wonder if Snek daughter will join the halls of the vorechads
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>>4792525
>>4792528
>>4792533
One consumed god = one super chraged luck blessing
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>>4792534
it's just an albino corn snake anon
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>>4792533
If only we were a DA...we could be a vorer instead of a voree.
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>>4792536
Way to trash talk your daughter.
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>>4792519
I think grandpa said something about eating him and using his powers for his plan but I'm not really sure.
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>>4792525
Our future snek daughter.
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>>4792537
Let's try to figure out some Matou binding and absorption magecraft so we can use Truth Absorption to vore our enemies.
>>4792541
Can't wait to to take her and Illya to Atlantis.
The God Voring super duo.
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>>4792544
Does Surtur count as a god?
Illya meeting Sitonai Illya will be amusing.
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>>4792544
Doesn't the Matou magic need a Water affinity? Otherwise its actually a good idea I think.
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>>4792546
I think Truth can work for any affinity
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Isn't Truth Absorption just Melt Virus?
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>>4792545
>Grail Goddess Illya meets Sitonai
Well I'm sure she'll enjoy the divine cores to snack on.
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Hunt for gods. Consume all of them.
It is never enough.
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>>4792561
>If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
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>>4792541
Dumb but cute.
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>>4792562
All Orochi needed to do was become a cute snekdaughter.
That cunning bastard.
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>>4792564
>retard that will try to eat anything.
I worry about Ourobora's future.
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>>4792562
>>4792566
Orochi let Zouken took control because he was playing game on one dimension higher and few moves ahead.
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>>4792567
americans get by ok
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>>4792569
Americans can't actually vore each other yet though.
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>>4792566
>>4792568
snek played us like a damn fiddle
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>>4792567
Her sistermom Shuten will like her. We'll give her the best tutor. I recommend Chiron. And we'll try to steer one of our smarter sons to take care of her. Maybe Medea's?

>>4792571
Are you sure? How do they get so large then?
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Soon.
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What won?
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>>4792598
This >>4791608 and anons were fine with heal subvote.
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>>4792598
>>"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life."
>>"How would you like to help rehabilitate a rogue goddess?"

+Heal her.
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WhatIs, do you consider her to be proper dragon?
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Hey qm, I'm curious. We only went on this tangent because I played Babylonia in FGO and happened to mention Ereshkigal, which made Niggerman realize that she could have been summoned with Ishtar.
Did you have anything like that planned before? Or do you just adapt as we figure stuff out?
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>>4792620
Open the door.
Get on the floor.
EVERYBODY WALK THE DINOSAUR.
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>>4792622
I think she was mentioned back when we were still discussing summoning Enkidu to deal with Gilgamesh, too.
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>>4792622
Ereshkigal wasn't especially planned for, but she wasn't incompatible for the story plan I had, so...
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I hope none of you guys care about Riesbyfe by the way.
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>>4792645
I do. The BAA must form!
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>>4792645
>>4792650
RIP
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>>4792650
Then you're going to need to deal with TATARI at some point.
It did kind of absorb her.
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>>4792653
>Truth abhors impossibility
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>>4792653
That's fine. We'll just bully it until it does what we want.
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Dead quest, Eresh took it to the Underworld.
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>>4792697
WRITER requires a Command Spell to finish updates anon. Someone has to use theirs, I already used one of mine yesterday and I only have two left.
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>>4792697
I'll take you to the Underworld.
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>>4792697
Would you like to get isekaied by Eresh?
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>>4792653
Well we are planning on DAA hunting Altrouge must die
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>>4792707
>die
Solid chance that Alcides can use Olympus se Tartarus on her.
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"Now, Rin, you're pretty badly wounded, so just hold on for a second, I'm going to heal you, you don't have anything against receiving my healing do you?" You can't really keep chatting to Rin when she's hurt. She's in pretty clear need of assistance when it comes to her injuries, and while she's not in any danger of bleeding out from her wounds, you aren't going to let her stay in a state like that if you can help it.

"...No, I don't." Rin hesitates for a moment, but seems to judge your intent as genuine, looks like your ability to absorb holy energy has gone at least some way to convince this Rin, who is likely quite religious considering that she tried to attack an alternate version of herself for being a 'magus heretic' or whatever it was.

"Good. Then just hold still." You raise your hand and place it on the top of her head, gently ruffling her hair slightly as you focus your magical energy into repairing the damage done to her body, Rin's eyes widen in surprise as she feels her wounds close nearly immediately and the pain to disappear nigh instantly. "There we go, good as new."

"You're immune to holy attacks and you're a healer on mission from God, huh?" Rin Kotomine raises her eyebrow at how things appear to her, looks like she might've started to think of a theory as to just what you might be, though talking about yourself isn't really all that important right now, you want to find out about Rin. Or, well... this Rin.

"Tell me about yourself, Rin. Tell me about your life, and about the events directly before you appeared here."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yek2vV81OPM

"My life, huh? Well, I'll tell you where it all went wrong. About ten years ago, A great fire consumed half of Fuyuki before it was stopped. I was one of the few people who managed to survive the blaze, but... the same can't be said for the rest of my family. My mother burned in the conflagration, and I can only imagine the same was true for my father. A priest, a man called Kirei Kotomine who was close to my father, adopted me, and since I had no other place to go, I gave up on my father's dream of making me a magus and instead chose to become an Executor for the Church, so that I could prevent a disaster like what befell Fuyuki ten years ago from ever happening again." Oh, that's... not what you were really expecting.

"What... What about Sakura?" You dread the answer.
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Rin just looks away sadly, her eyes lingering on Sakura for a moment before she looks away again. "The Matou household was caught up in the blaze, you survived thanks to being away from Fuyuki at the time, I imagine." Rin Kotomine doesn't speak any further. "I went about my life training under Kirei to be an Executor, and the Fifth Grail War occurred faster than I had imagined it would, and though I thought I was prepared for it, I... wasn't prepared for what what my Father... what Kirei was actually plotting. When the war had reached its end point without any major incident, I thought it would be fine. The... The Einzbern girl ordered her Servant to kill himself, and things seemed to be about to reach a normal conclusion where nobody else would have to die... Up until Kirei stabbed me in the back and skewered the girl with Black Keys." She looks down at the floor. "I tried to stop him, even with my wound, but... I had acted as nothing but a puppet the entire time, slaying the defeated Masters so they were neutralized as potential threats. Ensuring that the Grail War would work as it was supposed to, and that there would be no wish for destruction..." She clenches her fist as she obviously recalls a painful event. "I wasn't able to stop it! I wasn't able to stop that disaster from occurring again! It... It took everything from me." Rin Kotomine finally loses all of her edge and slumps to the floor.

"It's... It's alright, Rin." You try to comfort the girl. "You... you did your best." You try to offer her some supportive words, but you aren't really sure if they'll be that helpful. For as broken as the Broken Rin being comforted by Sakura and Rin is, Rin Kotomine is almost as broken as a person, she's just still got the ability to hide her anguish.

"My best...? My best... got everyone killed. Even... Even Shirou was killed because of what I did..." Oh man, this really doesn't sound good. "He kept trying to stop the Grail War, even though he'd already lost his Servant, and... I couldn't risk him causing another disaster like the one Kotomine said his father created ten years ago... So... I..." You notice tears beginning to roll down Rin's face.
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You just stare silently at Rin for some time. "If you... want the chance to still do some good instead of being sent back to that place..." You sigh, feeling guilty about taking advantage of a Rin in an emotionally vulnerable state. Even this Rin, clearly battle hardened, has broken down at her own failures and sorrow. There's no reason for this Rin to wish to return to her previous world. Everyone she cared about is dead, Kotomine betrayed her, and the world itself was doomed. "How about becoming the vessel of a rogue goddess in need of rehabilitation?" You make the offer to Rin, and she looks up at you with confused eyes, tears still streaming from them. "The Goddess Ishtar. The process will be more akin to... sharing your body than it will be to a standard possession in which the target's mind and soul is subsumed into being a piece of the greater whole of the spirit, and... somebody like you might be one of the few people with the ability to temper the attitude of this spiteful goddess." At least that's how you're going to 'request' Ishtar share the body, and if she agrees, then Illya will just get a new Divine Core. You know that Ereshkigal will likely have no issue with sharing with the Broken Rin, at least.

"The vessel of a goddess...?" Rin seems to think about things for some time. "You're being serious, aren't you?" Rin sounds skeptical, but doesn't seem to outright deny you.

"I am, though don't think I'm forcing this onto you. Or even forcing you to go back to your world if you refuse me." Honestly, Rin's world is likely already doomed. This Rin will never be more than a wanderer without a home, even if she were to be sent back to a timeline similar to her own. She had already failed.

"Then... I do owe you my life, and... If it's simply sharing my body with her, I... don't see the problem. So long as I can stay who I am mentally." Rin Kotomine agrees with your request, it didn't take much convincing at all! Which in its own way is kind of sad. Could it be that this Rin doesn't even trust herself to make decisions? "How exactly are you planning on doing this then?"

>"Let me just go talk to the Casters about it."
>"Let me talk with Ishtar about it."
>"I want to talk with the other you first." (Say what?)
>"I think my magic can manage it."
>Write-in...
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>>4792718
>"Let me just go talk to the Casters about it."
>"Let me talk with Ishtar about it."
Offer Ishtar this chance, or she gets something far worse. This Rin still has some good morals, so she'll mellow out over time.
Then ask the Casters to do the procedure.
Damn, one Rin kills Shirou, the other is killed by Shirou. We should tell Shirou to talk to them, try to fix their psyche.
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>>4792718
>>"Let me just go talk to the Casters about it."
>>"Let me talk with Ishtar about it."
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>>4792718
>"I think my magic can manage it."
>Telepathically ask Chiyome if her Witchcraft skills can be used here alongside your Truth to make Rin Kotomine be able to store, influence and use Ishtar`s power as a bunrei, like Chiyome`s old Noble Phantasm was
>Ask about her current Noble Phantasm too while at it
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>>4792724
>>4792718
+1, kind of reminds me of that one Bad End where Saber kills Shirou, not enough affection points
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>>4792732
That one is kinda funny to me. In the one split second that she considers it, she stabs him and kills him. She doesn't even notice it. It was a reflex.
Like. if he was a few feet farther away from her she wouldn't have done it.
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>>4792718
>"Let me just go talk to the Casters about it."
>"Let me talk with Ishtar about it."
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>>4792718
>"Let me just go talk to the Casters about it."
>"Let me talk with Ishtar about it."
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Essentially, I think we can make Ishtar a middle ground between Conceptual Weapons like Holy Scriptures Nanako and Triten and a bunrei as such magecraft should be well know to mikos and Chiyome was one. Her old Noble Phantasm was just that. She was channeling bloodline curse of Orochi into her own powers. Since this Ishtar was "born" out of the curse and she has associated with her Authorities artifacts I am thinking we can try to make it work.
Shame that I only thought of it right now.
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Calling in 20
How do you feel about Rin Kotomine?
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Couldn't we make it so Catholic Rin has complete control of herself and Ishtar's powers when she's awake and when she's asleep Ishtar would only become Ishtarin

>>4792755
she's based and must be protected
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>>4792755
I like her. Was expecting her to be worse person than she turned out to be.
Didn`t think she will be a villain or anything like that but she is just a tragic heroine type of character. Probably mostly due to Kotomine grooming.
>>4792756
Negotiate with Ishtar of use non-standard pseudo-Servant creation method.
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Are we really doing this anons? Maybe we can keep this Rin as she is and give Ishtar a puppet body or something? I feel bad for her.
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>>4792755
She's cute and she can be the kuudere of our harem we currently lack one of those.
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>>4792761
>or
And we might also conceptually make Ishtar docile. That would also do the trick within normal pseudo-Servant rules.
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>>4792764
I would prefer giving her a puppet body as wlel
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>>4792718
>>4792731
+1
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>>4792764
You can support my idea about bunrei and make her be the one in charge of everything and only channeling smaller bits of Ishtar if she uses her powers.
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>>4792766
I feel like Chiyome kinda fits
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>>4792764
I've been saying we should just have Betty make blank Rin bodies and to just keep the Rins.
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>>4792764
That's why I wanted Betty to make 2 bodies
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>>4792772
Yeah forgot about her Touko probably fits as well.
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>>4792764
look if Betty can make bodies that can turn Ishtar and Eresh into their chill Rinface halves then i'll go for it
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>>4792718
>Actually this was a bad idea. We'll figure something else for Ishtar. How do you fel about staying here and helping us make the world a better place?

Probably too late but I have to try.
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>>4792755
Cute and based. When is the vote called, or are we going to have another 3 hour long discussion about whether or not we should put Ishtar in Rins body?

I'm getting annoyed by two or three anons constantly delaying updates with hour long discussions on a whatdo when the vote is not a life or death combat situation and is easily reversible if we want to put Ishtar in a puppet body later on.
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>>4792779
>>4792783
This is exactly what I mean by unnecessary delays of easily reversible stuff.
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>>4792755
quite cute
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>>4792783
We literally have a fucking servant who's NP it is to cut out the mind and soul out of a person it's a very easy fix
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vote called?
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>>4792787
Exactly.
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>>4792783
>>4792784
>>4792787
Yeah, if they can just cut her off later there isnt really any problem, we just need to be sure ishtar cant influence shit and can only be influenced by rin.
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>>4792783
A pseudo is not really an easily reversible thing anon. And I am annoyed we constantly rush into things with no discussion, combat or not. We won't reverse shit unless we talk about them at some point.

I'm not even asking for an extension here. What got your panties in a twist?
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>>4792783
It's good to think out our actions before we make them, and I think any delays you are worrying about are because QM is giving us plenty of time before we make a dumb decision that might cause problems later down the line. That, and the QM has a personal life to deal with sometimes as well.
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>>4792793
>>4792787
Please see this and other posts above. I'm not mad, just annoyed of potentially having to delay a vote for another few hours just so we can discuss something pointless and reversible if not by Chiyome then Shinji himself. Not every vote has to be a complex tactical breakdown you know...
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>>4792755
She's great. Already made me feel bad for doing this to her.
I'm not sure how well this will fly with Illya either since we're more or less condemning this instance of Rin to fate she only narrowly avoided. This maid idea is losing appeal to me desu.
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>>4792796
I would agree if Shinji was an average magus or we didn't have Chiyome. But in this case I just don't see why this vote isn't straight forward.
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The scummiest part that unless we make her be the one in control we used YHVH card to guilt trip almost mindbroken girl into being host of goddess. And if maid part still stands this gets even weirder.
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>>4792797
The autism makes this quest very unfun recently
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>>4792809
I agree fully anon...
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>>4792807
Yeah, I think if we go through with Ishtarin, we should ensure she gets the final vote in the gestalt and backpedal on the maid part of the deal.
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>>4792807
Yeah, exactly. We're manipulating a broken girl instead of helping her and it feels really scummy.
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>>4792793
>A pseudo is not really an easily reversible thing anon.
yes it is shut up holy shit
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>>4792812
There is nothing wrong with manipulating NPC's.
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>>4792811
>>4792812
>"Hello, I am Jesus Christ 2.0 and I need you to become host of ancient mesopotamian goddess and please put on this maid uniform. You will also serve parallel version of Einzbern girl you just seen died before your eyes."
Weird turn of events for sure.
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>>4792819
if God has a problem with that he can yell at us in our dreams
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>>4792810
That's why I had sakurautist filtered but then everyone piggy backs on his vote so yeah.
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>>4792821
Just pondering how it turned out to be how it turned out to be.
Vote is called already and I still would like to get good use out of Ishtar right away since she almost crushed our own plan last night.
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>>4792826
its kinda rare for that to happen, most people call him a dumbass or ignore him
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>>4792826
What vote are you referring to?
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I never thought I'd see people agreeing with Batman that we should discuss things less. Especially after we summoned the Rins with zero discussion about what would happen.
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On the other hand. This Rin is very devoted christian so a bit of penance and some willpower of Ishtar after her own got broken might be good for her.
Want for Atonement should be pretty big idea in her head right now. Hope no self-flagellation would be involved though.
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>>4792835
I don't know who you're accusing of being batman but its certainly not me. Regular anons like me can disagree with you, I don't know why that is such a tough pill for you to swallow that you have to accuse someone of being your enemy from another thread, I can see why people filter you now.
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>>4792837
YCw3Xj23 is Batman.
I actually enjoy the discussion.
The more you discuss, the more I am motivated to write.
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>>4791343
>>4792837
Why are you so easily triggered anon? Is it so bad that I want to talk things out?
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>>4792838
So are you writting?
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>>4792838
My point is that me and a good portion of the anons feel like in this case the discussion is unnecessary and calling for a tactical breakdown of every single vote is getting annoying for other readers like me. Shinji is not a normal magus and he has Chiyome to boot to reverse anything adverse that would happen to Rin. Is the vote called btw?
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>>4792839
Please stop projecting and grow up.
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"I want to talk to the Casters and Ishtar about this first before I decide anything, Rin." In truth, you're already feeling bad about what this might end up doing. You felt like you'd be able to have no problems with using doomed Rins from other world's for something like this, but now that you're actually talking to Rin and now that you understand the pain that this one specific version of Rin has gone through, it's becoming harder and harder to justify using the girl as merely a host for Ishtar. This Rin is a selfless fool who merely tried to stop a disaster from occurring, she didn't deserve the hardships she went through, and she certainly didn't deserve an ignoble end at the hands of a man that she trusted. No, if you're going to do this, then you're going to need to make sure that Rin holds the reins of their partnership and that Ishtar isn't the dominant personality. It might be possible to grant Rin the ability to temporarily hand control over her body to Ishtar in order to wield her powers fully, perhaps? Or maybe have it so Ishtar only gets control of Rin's body when she's asleep or otherwise unconscious?

"That's... fine." You leave Rin for a moment, grabbing the bottle containing Ishtar and Ereshkigal from the table. The two goddesses have been quiet since Rin summoned her duplicate copies, and you can't really think of any reason why. Could they have been silenced on purpose, or are they just stunned by Rin's power?

You don't say anything else to Rin, you're already feeling strange about this situation, and you take the bottle to the Casters as well as Touko, at some point Medea and Tamamo returned, but you were too focused on Rin Kotomine to realize they had returned. "Everyone I want to ask you just what we can do about implanting the soul of a goddess into a compatible host." You hope that nobody really questions why exactly you know that Rin is such a compatible host for somebody like Ishtar.

"Well, if the host truly is compatible, there's... a few ways that you can go about this." Unexpectedly, it's Morgan who responds. "The first way is to just... insert the spirit of the Goddess into the body, at which point the two will undergo a battle of wills, though in general the human mind and soul will lose out to that of the deity, and at most the deity will end up simply absorbing a few personality traits from the host's mind and soul which is incorporated into them." That's... not something you think Rin will like. "The second way is to get the deity to agree to sharing the body properly." You raise the bottle to your eye to look at it more closely.
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>>4792838
>The more you discuss, the more I am motivated to write.
How motivated would you be to write us telling Gil we will be giving Ishtar concept of Virginity?
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"Well, if you're offering to get me out of this damn bottle then fine! I'll share! OK?" Ishtar latches onto what she has probably decided is one of the few ways that this might end in a way that doesn't include undue suffering for her. "I'll even let you decide the terms of contract! Just... get me out of here, please!" Ishtar seems to have resorted to pleading and begging, looks like she's realized that she's not exactly able to use her supernatural beauty to her advantage when it comes to persuading other people when she's trapped in a bottle.

"Oh, and of course, the third way is to simply strip the goddess of her individuality as a being to turn her into no more than a divine core to be implanted into a new target." Morgan shrugs, and the goddess in the bottle lets out a terrified sound.

"No! Don't do that! Anything but that! Don't you want to punish me?" The bottle protests, clearly not wanting to be erased. "You won't be able to punish me if you do that, right?" Looks like a choice between humiliation and oblivion for Ishtar is an obvious one indeed. She'd rather humble herself completely and act as a maid or whatever else for Illya than she would die, this is the pride of a goddess huh?

>"We'll just directly apply Ishtar to Rin Kotomine, I think that she can take it."
>"Well, if you agree to sharing half of the day, then that's fine."
>"How about if you had control over Rin's body only when Rin slept?
>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
>"I've decided you'd be more use as a divine core for Rin, Ishtar."
>"I've decided against doing this at all."
>Write-in...
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>>4792842
I wouldn’t say she can just reverse anything she wants, if I remember right her power is best used against curses
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>>4792847
>"I've decided against doing this at all."
This was a bad idea. We can have Betty make a new body, or Touko give her a puppet, or we can have Illya eat Ishtar. She deserves it more. Or something, anything else. But let's not do this to Rin Kotomine. She doesn't deserve it.
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>>4792847
>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
This seems fair enough.
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>>4792847
>>"Well, if you agree to sharing half of the day, then that's fine."
>Write-in...
"Ishtar will obtain a puppet body after this temporary period of sharing Rin Kotomine's body. And if she behaves well she may be granted freedom as a normal human girl at Illya, Gilgamesh and Enkidu's discretion!"
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>>4792848
You remember right, yes. Chiyome is anti-curse. She can't reverse anything other than curses. If we merge her with Ishtar, is what we're doing to her a curse?
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>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
I assume she'll let her when she sleeps too.
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>>4792847
>Telepathically tell Chiyome your idea and ask if her Witchcraft skills can be used here alongside your Truth to make Rin Kotomine be able to store, influence and use Ishtar`s power as a bunrei, like Chiyome`s old Noble Phantasm was, while Rin will be remaining one in full control and Ishtar just being a prisoner and observer
>Ask about her current Noble Phantasm too while at it
I think I will repeat my previous vote. Channeling gods is basic shinto stuff so I think it should work like that.
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>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
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>>4792847
>>4792851
Actuallly on second thought this is better.
Changing to:
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?
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>how we
Meant to say "How about we."
Jesus.
That's what I get for not proofing the vote options.
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>>4792847
>give Rin concept of indomitability
>"We'll just directly apply Ishtar to Rin Kotomine, I think that she can take it."
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>>4792833
All
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>>4792839
It's just kinda annoying that you and nigger feel like you have to devote hours of autism to every vote. If you removed you and him this thread would be at least half as full.
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>>4792860
Skip our posts. Filter us if you want. I don't give a shit. Just stop telling people to shut up just because you're too lazy to scroll a bit more.
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>>4792862
Shut up
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>>4792856
that can lead to ishtar finding a way to trick her.
I would prefer a way for rin to have all control while ishtar can just watch from the background of the mind, no direct control for her.
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>>4792854
Support
>>4792847
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>>4792854
How do this thing work? Would ishtar still be aware just not in any control?
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>>4792864
But we need to punish Ishtar not only just making her a "Get Out" movie victim. She'll be powerless when in Rin's body as a maid and wouldn't stand a chance raising a hand against Illya who now has goddess powers. Ishtar knows not to fuck with anything in her current position.
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You know, Broken Rin and Ereshkigal sharing 50/50 would probably be beneficial, if they can talk to the other and watch while one commands.
Eresh feels very lonely, and would welcome some company. While Rin feels awful guilt and could use someone to talk to and help her through her issues.
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>>4792866
Yeah just stuck in headspace
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>>4792869
I hope this works, honestly after the war we can maybe put her in another body.
>>4792871
And i'm split between this.
great
I mean, this would be good for ishtar during the war at least, maybe have her have a taste of being powerless.
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>>4792866
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Channeling_-_Omen_of_the_Great_God_Ibuki
It is pretty common thing to host gods and be the one in control in Shinto or at least in many japanese anime and manga involving shinto. So I want to check if we can do it that way since Chiyome has something similar.
I think even Clocktower has people who can do it successfully.
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QM, calling when?
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>>4792870
Speaking of broken Rin I'd like to know what kind of thoughts are going through her right now? Is she slowly regaining what little sanity she had left now that Sakura is in front of her?
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>>4792847
>>4792854
Support
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>>4792870
Fully agree here.
And we should give Ereshkigal Rejuvenation concept.
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>>4792849
>She doesn't deserve it.
One of the options gives Rin complete control over whenever she wants to be control of the body.
And if your problem is with her being Illya's maid, well it's not like this Rin has a job or any true source of income and she'd hate to be a freeloader.
Also she can just make Ishtar do all the maid tasks while she takes a break.
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>>4792877
We do need to talk to her, maybe even more than church rin before deciding anything.
>>4792880
I see, makes sense.
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>>4792847
>>4792858
switch so shitar wont trick Rin
>>4792854
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>>4792870
I'll reserve judgment until we try talking to her some more more, but my initial impression is that you're right. Broken Rin and Ereshkigal would both benefit more about this than church Rin and Ishtar.

>>4792877
She's probably thinking she's completely lost it and is hallucinating.

>>4792880
And this is why I like discussing things. You're making it seem way better, yeah.
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>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
This looks good and consistent with what we were just telling Rin
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>>4792880
Wouls the ask chiyome vote trigger another vote before deciding anything?
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>>4792854
Doesn't this also completely defeat the point of doing this in the first place? It's hardly a punishment for Ishtar if she's just observing stuff, no more than what you've done to Tiamat is a punishment.
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>>4792847
>"We'll just directly apply Ishtar to Rin Kotomine, I think that she can take it."
What could go wrong?
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>and this is why I like discussing things.
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>>4792847
Switch >>4792849 to
>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
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>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
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>>4792893
>Says he's filtered Sakurautist
>Posts wojacks containing his replies
Don't shit the thread up, thanks.
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>>4792889
I think most of time this allows host to use powers of chained spirit/god and they even share some emotional load with each other? To a lesser degree than 50/50 pseudos.
I am interested if you give us such option and how will you make it look too.
And I am not interested to be nice to Ishtar.
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>>4792889
yeah.
>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
>explain to her the maid stuff, she can let ishtar handle it and you or illya will pay her for ishtar's services
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>>4792876
20 minutes.
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>>4792847
Adding to >>4792894
>explain to her the maid stuff, she can let ishtar handle it and you or illya will pay her for ishtar's services
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>>4792897
Fag
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>>4792898
It's not about that at all, this wasn't meant to be about summoning a Rin in order to give her a power-up, it was supposed to be a punishment for Ishtar, which trapping her as an observer doesn't really do at all considering that's what she's currently got.
It also goes against the suggestion to Illya to give her Ishtar as a maid.
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>>4792847
>>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
seems like the most fair way to go about it
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>>4792904
So what you're saying, is we should just keep the Rin and make puppet bodies to stick Ishtar in so we can bully her.
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What's winning?
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>>4792907
the whole reason I and likely a few other people are against that is because I want Ishtarin
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>>4792909
Giving Rin the ability to decide Ishtar mode on or off. I think the vote can be called now.
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This seems an easy enough choice. We get en executor Rin with Goddess powers, and she can tag out and make Ishtar deal with all the work.
Over time Ishtar will mellow out, and maybe then they can work out another deal if they want to.
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>>4792904
I guess I am a bit cared away with idea about using Rin Kotomine in a new way? It is not like holy magic of Church is that ideologically different from some shinto priestesses rituals and powers and it would make interesting arc for Rin Kotomine too. She already has more going for her than a constantly bitching bottle.
Maid if fun but why stop with at it if we can get better use?
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>>4792912
Cool
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>>4792913
And with the proof we are God's present for earth she will not try to backstab us.
Also Ciel is here, i want to see how she reacts to her.
Also we have a fucking immortal nun and now a nun with goddess powers.

Also, Rin impressed gilgamesh it seems with the second, cool.
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>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
>I'll even let you decide the terms of contract!
Or maybe it will work fine as long as we make sure Ishtar don`t loophole her way out of it. Like vague goals giving Ishtar ability to take control for long time without restrictions. And add need to constantly renew permission from time to time and asking us or Illya after second/third renewal. Guess it works.
Still curious if Chiyome can do thing in write-in and that is her new Noble Phantasm.
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>>4792918
I think rin can just shut her off regardless of being in control or not, she will still be aware.
So its irrelevant.
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>>4792919
Yeah, the contract is pretty much "Whatever Rin says goes", if I understood correctly. And I don't think that dumbass Ishtar has any chance at all to trick Rin into anything.
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>>4792913
She could mellow out pretty quickly if its Ishtarin instead of regular Ishtar, who knows?
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What are we even gonna do with 8 year old Rin by the way?
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>>4792925
Adopt
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>>4792925
Your choices are...
>Send her back home.
>Adopt her
>Have Rin Adopt her
>Adopt her with Sakura
>and anything else you can think of I'm not limiting you here
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>>4792847
>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"
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>>4792925
I say we talk to our Rin and have her make the final decision. And I can see three options:

A) Keep her. She'll be happy here. In time, she'll forget about her Sakura and her world
B) Have our Rin write a letter to Tokiomi from the future. Tell him about Kayneth killing Risei, Gilgamesh and Kotomine betraying him, about the Einzbern corrupting the Grail with Angra Mainyu so it can no longer grant his wish. Tell him what Zouken plans for Sakura instead of making her the Matou heir like he promised. Ask him to save her, give her to the Edelfedts for adoption if he wants and abandon the foolish pursuit of the Grail in favor of returning the family to pursuing the Root through martial arts.
Either Tokiomi wins and the above happens, or Kerry kills him in the white room and Aoi can raise her two daughters in peace. Kariya will have been taken out of the war before he makes her a vegetable if Tokiomi attacks the Matou with Gilgamesh to rescue Sakura.
C) Give her a walkthrough of the 5th war. Have her do what we did with ten years to prepare.

But I really think it should be our Rin who makes the call.
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>>4792932
I mean, I guess we should ask Rin, Sakura and little Rin what they want to do
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>>4792919
Well, it is called now so no need for me to change. Let`s hope it works that way and I was just too paranoid about it.
>>4792932
Adopt her with Sakura and Rin as Makiri-Tohsaka.
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>>4792932
>>4792937
This
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So vote called? This is winning.

>"How we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?"

Poor Ishtar wont be able to dress like a slut anymore.
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>>4792936
>C) Give her a walkthrough of the 5th war. Have her do what we did with ten years to prepare.
Wouldn't it make more sense to train her up yourself for a few years before sending her back?
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>>4792941
she will if we want her to

>>4792938
yeah just a guy, his sisterwife and his sisterwife's sister raising his sisterwife's sister's younger self
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>>4792943
yeah, i would vote for something like that too.
it depends of what loli rin has to say.
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>>4792943
>"Here are three carts of gems for you to fuck off to your world and stop calling me dad."
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>>4792932
My personal vote is:
>>4792937
Support.
However I want to write something in. If she decides to stay. Ask her if she wants a new name (and then we vote for the name). I mean to have two people with the same name would be a bit confusing would it not. Though perhaps we could pull a Shiki and have it be Rin and rin (name is not capitalized for a reason)
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>>4792944
>yeah just a guy, his sisterwife and his sisterwife's sister raising his sisterwife's sister's younger self
Based
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>>4792943
True, this would be better than just giving her a walkthrough and sending her off.
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>>4792943
>Rin justs shows up after missing for like 5 years.
>Kotomine took all her money.
Hell, what would even happen if Rin died in that alleway? Tokiomi would lose it.
Would he try to get Sakura back?
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>>4792947
RIN, Rinny or little Rin work
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>>4792953
We can just give her as much gold and precious gems as our Rin can fit while sending her back.

And I imagine he would, yeah. The only reason he sent her away is because he had Rin as his heir.
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Problem with just send her back later is that we end up as a good parent figure and she will see just how many timelines exist since she will learn Second too. And she will spend most of her time with other children too.
>>4792944
Sisterwife`s sister can also be a sisterwife too since having sisterwife makes the other automatically a sister-in-law. So you get double sisterwife loop.
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>>4792956
Ironically then, it's probably better for Rin to remain in your world for at least a little while even if you decide you want to send her back.
Guess Tokiomi can kiss goodbye to the Tohsaka Crest too.
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>>4792961
A world where Tokiyomi becomes a desperate wreck who tries to take back Sakura sounds interesting to visit. Perhaps it could be a small vacation that Shinji, Sakura and Rin can take with little Rin?
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>>4792932
Since this has come up again, I'd like to once again mention that something is trying to quarantine our branch and isn't allowing anyone to enter it or allowing us to interact with things like the Neco-Arc. According to our Alaya, we're also the "Only being capable of making decisions that are actually decisions." and Merlin said that the other Alaya are afraid our world will potentially destroy all the other ones that exist.
I legit don't think we can send the Rin back. They'll either be deleted when we try, or their branches already have been for touching ours even slightly.
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>>4792957
And one more.
This makes Sakura doublesister since she is now our sister and marrying Rin will make her sister-in-law too.
So Sakura will be doublesisterwife and Rin will be sister(in-law)wife.
This gets even more interesting if we track that bastard third sister Tokiomi made.
The theoretical third sister can be adopted as Makiri or Makiri-Tohsaka or Tohsaka adding another layer of combinations with each.
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>>4792961
Fuck Tokiomi, I just want to save that Sakura and have both sisters live a long and happy life.

I'm warming up to the idea of training her before sending her back. Tokiomi will take out Kariya and rescue Sakura fast and Aoi will be left in sole custody of Sakura after the end of the fourth. And then they'll all be overjoyed when badass Rin returns to save the day in the fifth. Best outcome for everyone.

Of course, this will have to be Rin's decision. Not ours.

>isn't allowing anyone to enter it
Only Zelretch is forbidden. Rin was able to pull other Rins with no problem
>allowing us to interact with things like the Neco-Arc
Neko-Chaos said this would just result in an eternal carnival. I don't see anything deeper hidden behind it.
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>>4792977
>>4792970
somehow dropped the actual reply.
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>>4792974
And another clarification.
Sakura is still sister of Young Rin so marrying Sakura makes Young Rin our sister-in-law too. And depending on who adopt her she can be daughtersister(in-law) for example.
Things are also hit up with Rin Kotomine too since she will be our sister-in-law too. While we also be her top religious leader.
And marrying Sakura also results in marrying Tiamat. And this is very big deal.
At very least it would make us related to mesopotamian pantheon. And at max we just married everyone`s conceptual mom.
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We should just grab little Sakura too if we already have little Rin, who gives a shit about Tokiomi and Zouken
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>>4792986
Rin can only get other Rins right now.
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>>4792977
We only know for sure that Zelretch is forbidden and there is a deeper meaning behind the Neco-Arcs not being allowed to interact with us.
What's the two things the Neco-Arcs and Zelretch have in common? They interact with multiple branches. If we're the only thing that can make decisions and the Alaya are scared we'll destroy other branches because of it, the two biggest infection vectors are the Neco-Arcs and Zelretch.

>Rin was able to pull other Rins with no problem
The Kaleidosword is bullshit and I doubt anyone expected her to have this much mastery over the Second.
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>>4792989
I mean we can have her try to bring over Tiny Sakura and Tiny Shirou.
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>>4792989
Saving little Sakura is good incentive
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>>4792993
>>4792994
We can ask, I guess.
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Honestly we can also just have Luvia raise them both, Sakura and Rin are like her second cousins and it does happen in Apocrypha, Sakura is adopted by the Edelfelt
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And Ishtar should also be aunt of Gilgamesh if we go from Anu? And Anu is son of Tiamat and Abzu.
So we will be grandparent to Ishtar and Ereshkigal and great-grandparent to Gilgamesh by marrying Tiamat.
At least in a frame where laws and mythology are concerned.
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>>4792989
Rin can only gets things that she already have, the reason she can get rins its becaue its more of herself.
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>>4793010
Knight of Owner Rin.
Family tree posting melted my memory of that explanation from her.
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>>4792991
Zelretch is blocked from entering the timeline. The Neko-Arcs are just discouraged from interacting with us. It is not a strict forbiddance as we have interacted and we could have interacted more.

I agree it's a valid cause of concern, but I don't think young Rin will be blocked from returning. And if she is, I don't think she'll be blocked from returning forever. After this war is over, we'll be able to swing the balance of power towards our Alaya and have the others accept a truce. Or else.
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>>4792751
This was a great idea, F
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>>4793022
Her Noble Phantasm will be Truth Bunrei. We were correct that time about everything else she got.
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>>4793022
I still can't see the point of it, honestly, I was under the assumption you wanted Ishtar to at least be able to interact with the world around her in some way.
Otherwise you could've just given her to Morgan or Tamamo or Medea and asked them to create a Divine Class Mystic Code out of her existence.
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>>4792731
Support if I haven't already.
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>>4793027
>I still can't see the point of it
Powergaming wins over fun punishment. Or it would if we had voted for this.
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>>4792957
this is a Shinji special version of ouroboros
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>>4793027
Ishtar reduced to silent observer and prisoner as she see through eyes of Church Rin as Eresh gets all the nice things and all Ishtar`s previous divine clout is nothing and Mighty Ishtar who got everything she ever wanted is now nothing more than a tool for a girl who think of her as trash.
This is pretty fun. Even if you don`t get snappy comments from time to time.
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>>4793048
But the alternative was just leaving her sealed in the bottle.
Which is worse.
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>>4793048
If she's already a nun she'd actually probably benefit from something like Chastity as a concept. She gets to maximise her piety life path working for the newest Prophet and ishtar seethes about never being able to get off again
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>>4792925
>>4792932

Well first we tell Rin we are going to take responsibility by supporting her in whatever she chooses.

But I can't see her going back, not now when she's super vulnerable, and not later after she's formed bond with the rest of the crew. Although if she wanted to, or if she learned how to jump back and forth at will, she's certainly welcome to once she comes of age...
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>>4793055
Not sure if she is a nun.
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>>4793059
>Although if she wanted to, or if she learned how to jump back and forth at will
Time Cop Rin going through timelines saving lesser Rins.
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>>4793051
Isolation vs being treated as a thing and being in constant fear and existential dread.
Preferences of fears, I suppose.
>>4793055
Chastity or Virginity are both good. Temperance as well.
All good for Rin Kotomine since she is a virtuous person. Or strives to be. And they make Ishtar seethe.
Hope we get a chance to do it next update. I want to vote Virginity for Virgin Mary syncretism
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>>4793059
I don't think she'll forget her Sakura easily, no matter what we do.
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>>4793064
Kotomine had a daughter though. For all we know Rin doesn't want to be a virgin forever.
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>>4793071
anal doesn't count This is Rin we're talking about
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>>4793066
Bring little Sakura here
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>>4793071
We are talking about concept for Ishtar to make her more useful for Rin.
If Rin Kotomine decided to have sex we could just put Ishtar in the bottle for that time and let her watch.
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>>4793074
This makes the most sense. Cucking her to watch and not feel.
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>>4793074
Rin could just channel her skills/memories but keep ishtars senses sealed for it. Best of both worlds
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>>4793073
I don't think Rin can do it, or I'd be pushing for it.
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>>4793064
Anon this is Nasuverse, Ciel is canonically an anal slut, Catholic Rin is probably a bigger whore than our Rin
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You’re all forgetting that this is Ishtar we’re talking about here. Once she figures out vibrators exist she’s going to do nothing but flip to max power and knucklefuck herself on high vibes until she fries her own brains. We gotta magic away her orgasms to really do her in.
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>>4793077
Well you didn't actually vote to ask her so you don’t actually know at all and are just assuming she can't
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>>4793075
>>4793076
Even better.
>>4793078
Why can`t people follow our ways of Purity?
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>>4793080
We haven't voted for anything anon. We sent little Rin away. We'll deal with her after we deal with the goddesses
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>>4793064
The problem I see with Virginity is that depending how it would end up working it would either give her ability to return to "pure" state, which would probably not bother Ishtar at all, or it would impose on her personality, in which case it would mean sacrificing part of her agency for petty revenge on the goddess we're implanting in her.
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Isn't the whole point of putting Ishtar inside a Rin that she'll become nicer over time?
Sure, I hate regular Ishtar, but Ishtarin was pretty alright. She might even come to regret her actions.
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>>4793082
God gave us the ok we can sleep with his nuns
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>>4793087
Yeah, I think anons are getting carried away here.
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How about we scrap the idea of giving her chasity, or virginity, or whatever shit, and either ask her what she thinks would do better, or just give her something more mundane.
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>>4793092
Asking the person usually works best.
Except for Suzuka, I guess.
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>>4793092
Neither Ishtar nor church Rin are capable of making a proper decision about this now. I say we just discuss it again after they've settled in and after Ishtar has mellowed.
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>>4793092
This
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>>4793087
that's literally why i voted for this, I don't want regular Ishtar and Eresh, I want Ishtarin and Ereshrin
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>>4793092
Supporting this
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>>4793086
>Manifestation of Beauty (EXB): The formidable charismatic nature one has as a Goddess of Beauty. A power to captivate others. Despite being in a state where it can only work as possession, it already exceeds the domain of men. Naturally, it should be a composite Skill (gauge absorption, curse, Skill sealing) that works with a powerful seduction effect as its core, but the restriction effects towards others were removed due to the strong inclination of the human possessed by her, and it essentially became a simple Charisma Skill. This is the reason the rank has dropped so much.
We will be tinkering with her ascpect of divine slut. Normal Rin already seals it on her own because she doesn`t like it.
Because Ishtar after all if also goddess of sex.
>>4793089
>God`s permission means only way for Ishtar to get laid is us while she is inside Rin Kotomine
Very cool, YHVH, very cool.
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>>4793094
We could ask what Church Rin wants before Istar, then come back later to see if has changed.
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>>4793103
We should definitely give priority to church Rin, but I think she's too traumatised to think clearly now.
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>>4793104
Then put off putting Ishtar in her today and let her sleep on it. and just put in Eresh in now.

Or we just delay until tomorrow giving both Rins some time.
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>>4793108
I think it's too late for that anon.
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>>4793110
okay.
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"How about we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?" It's one of the least fair outcomes for Ishtar short of just obliterating her existence, but you know that she has no other choice than to agree to your terms. "Now, Ishtar, does that sound preferable to remaining trapped in that bottle, being turned into a Mystic Code or being given to Illyasviel?" You say almost with a sneer. You aren't about to forgive Ishtar for what she tried to do to Illya any time soon, but the influence of Rin will eventually change Ishtar's nature to be... well, hopefully to be somebody who is less of a giant whore bitch, in fact, seeing as Rin Kotomine is a faithful member of the Church, it's likely that she'll be an even better host for changing Ishtar's nature than a more... vanilla Rin.

"..." The bottle doesn't respond for some time, as if honestly weighing her choices here. "It... It does. I swear on my name as the Goddess Ishtar that I will accept those conditions, and only be allowed access to the body of that girl should she herself give me permission to act and only for as long as she accepts my control." Ishtar agrees to your request, even if it's incredibly harsh for her. The cowardice and self-preservation of Ishtar shines through, to the point where even a one-sided contract heavily weighted against her is something she'll happily end up accepting.

"Excellent! Then we've come to an agreement, haven't we? In time, I hope that being within the body of somebody like Rin teaches you a form of humility and proper compassion, and that the world doesn't revolve entirely around you." Honestly, Ishtar has the capacity to become a decent person within her that can be brought out through Rin, but without that influence she's a monstrous bully that will attempt to seduce anybody in order to get her own way. In fact, one of the reasons behind her loathing of Gilgamesh is that he had the audacity to tell her 'no'. A spoiled brat used to getting her own way their entire life being told no is something that can and will lead to a massively over the top response. Like trying to kill Gilgamesh and Enkidu and destroy Uruk with the Bull of Heaven.

"I don't like you at all, human." The girl in the bottle is obviously hateful towards you, not that you can blame her. You'd probably hate somebody who foiled your great plan of revenge with what was effectively an afterthought while they focused on something else too, if such a thing ended up happening to you instead of her.
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"On the contrary though, I think that you're quite wonderful. There's not many who would so happily put Ishtar in her place like you have. Among humans, you're quite special, I think... I would've cherished your soul if you were around in my era." Ereshkigal speaks now, the other voice in the bottle letting her thoughts on things be known. You're a little put-off by the fact that she's so... quick to bring up cherishing your soul, but... well, Ereshkigal probably can't help herself from doing something like that... It's sort of in her nature. It does seem that she's impressed by your treatment of Ishtar though.

"Eresh..." The other voice in the bottle says the name of her sister with irritation dripping from her tone. Though Ereshkigal simply ignores the annoyed Ishtar.

>"Well, what are we waiting for, let's get this done now, shall we?"
>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
>Write-in...
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>>4793126
>>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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By the way, can we ask Kotomine Rin who was the Archer Shinji had? That'd be neat if we meet her later.
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>>4793126
>>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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>>4793127
Support
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>>4793126
>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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>>4793126
>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."

Only fair to ask both
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>>4793126
>>4793127
Support
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>>4793126
>>>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>>>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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>>4793126
>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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>>4793126
>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
>Ask Kotomine Rin who was Archer Shinji in her World summoned
Better than I expected.

And speaking about serious Concepts and not memeing on Ishtar with femcel idea.
Please keep in mind this for Eresh.
>>4792122
>>4792125
I think it is really solid idea with quite good and potent Concept. A really nice reward for helping us out.
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>>4793126
>>"I want to talk to the other Rin about seeing if she'd be willing to host you now, Ereshkigal."
>>"I want to confirm with Rin Kotomine that she's fine with this before I go ahead with the... fusion?"
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>>4793152
Yep, I really like Rejuvenation for Eresh. And it might even help superhero Rin get better.
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>>4793126
Replacing >>4793148
with >>4793152

I just wanna know what Archer would like OG Shinji.
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>>4793126
Support >>4793152
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I think the worst part about Pseudo-Servants in Grand Order is how the story tries to bend itself in knots to explain how its totally justifiable and A-OK that they kidnapped a Rin or somebody else from the future to meatpuppet, while said Rin remains trapped only subconsciously aware and being unable to wake up. It's totally a symbiotic relationship.
At least Strange Fake plays the horrifying nature of Pseudo-Servants straight.
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>>4793126
Switch >>4793145 to >>4793152
Might as well.

>>4793163
Can't have horror spoiling the gachabucks.
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>>4793165
Don't worry, now you can summon a literal demon king possessing Sakura when she's spiralling into madness to help you save the world!
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>>4793163
I'm playing the fgo Reinnes event now, and Reinnes and Waver have complete control, but Luvia doesn't, it's Astraea that's in charge, and they don't seem to care in the slightest. It's so weird.
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>>4793172
>Autistic screeching
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>>4793172
Sold, give me 10!
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>>4793174
But look how cute the parasite is acting in her stolen body!
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>>4793157
>OG Shinji
Not quite. Look at
>"My life, huh? Well, I'll tell you where it all went wrong. About ten years ago, A great fire consumed half of Fuyuki before it was stopped. I was one of the few people who managed to survive the blaze, but... the same can't be said for the rest of my family. My mother burned in the conflagration, and I can only imagine the same was true for my father. A priest, a man called Kirei Kotomine who was close to my father, adopted me, and since I had no other place to go, I gave up on my father's dream of making me a magus and instead chose to become an Executor for the Church, so that I could prevent a disaster like what befell Fuyuki ten years ago from ever happening again." Oh, that's... not what you were really expecting.
>"What... What about Sakura?" You dread the answer.
>Rin just looks away sadly, her eyes lingering on Sakura for a moment before she looks away again. "The Matou household was caught up in the blaze, you survived thanks to being away from Fuyuki at the time, I imagine." Rin Kotomine doesn't speak any further. "I went about my life training under Kirei to be an Executor, and the Fifth Grail War occurred faster than I had imagined it would, and though I thought I was prepared for it, I... wasn't prepared for what what my Father... what Kirei was actually plotting. When the war had reached its end point without any major incident, I thought it would be fine. The... The Einzbern girl ordered her Servant to kill himself, and things seemed to be about to reach a normal conclusion where nobody else would have to die... Up until Kirei stabbed me in the back and skewered the girl with Black Keys." She looks down at the floor. "I tried to stop him, even with my wound, but... I had acted as nothing but a puppet the entire time, slaying the defeated Masters so they were neutralized as potential threats. Ensuring that the Grail War would work as it was supposed to, and that there would be no wish for destruction..." She clenches her fist as she obviously recalls a painful event. "I wasn't able to stop it! I wasn't able to stop that disaster from occurring again! It... It took everything from me." Rin Kotomine finally loses all of her edge and slumps to the floor.
Likely it was Shinji who got good. But not quite good enough.
As for Archer. I am thinking that it was Atalanta.
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>>4793188
Atalante is the only one I can think of as well, but I don't see why she'd get along so well with that Shinji.
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>>4793187
>"Onii-chan!"
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Gonna call qm?
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>>4793152
Supporting
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>>4793188
Hmm, maybe that Shinji returned to his burned home, saw the remains of a little sister he never met, and got an intense desire to save other children from suffering like this?
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>>4793200
In ten minutes.
>>4793195
Ah yes, or "how Kama gets obliterated across reality for the second time but for good this time."
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>>4793193
>>4793208
I am thinking WhatIs is going for an interesting move with Atalanta and Shinji.
That Shinji is likely was at least somewhat decent person who was never groomed by Zouken, Atalanta knows Heracles and was killed by him in that war, both probably had their reason for protecting children to play on our current theme here, we know Atalanta is around so it would influence our interactions with her and we were talking about her quite a lot recently.
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>>4793211
It does fit, yes. More than anything else I can think of.
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>>4793211
>>4793193
>>4793188
2 waifus in one. Great package deal.
Still looking forward to writting all those character sheets for the argonauts qm?
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>>4793216
I have Lovecraft's Cat to thank for easing my pain.
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>>4793126
>>4793152
Support
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>>4793193
Zouken is dead and so is Sakura. Shinji would have no one to twist him or be jealous of.
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>>4793216
we must pet the cat
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>>4793216
If we get her just make her the babysitter. Don't really care for her. If she's there to fill the catgirl fetish then find a better one she's shit.
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>>4793252
I'm sure she'll love us once we show her how many kids we've adopted.
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Hah, i want to see Kotomine Rin reaction to Caren.
I wonder if they ever meet in her timeline of origin.
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>>4793253
>Catgirl
Uh.
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>>4793253
Rin
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>>4793256
>"Oh, so you wont raise your daughter, but you'll adopt another one?!"
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>>4793251
Yeah, but Atalante is autistically focused on protecting children. For her to go along well with Shinji, it means he must be more than just a decent person. And I imagine seeing his burned home with that burned girl that could have been his sister would give him the push he needed. It'd probably be similar to how Shirou felt after the fire, though perhaps not as intense.

>>4793252
Yes. And then we must have the girls play with the cat. She'll love it.
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>>4793259
She is not a permanent cat girl. Just an honorary one.
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>>4793269
The Second True Magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider... unnatural.
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>>4793259
Wait, she has a tail?
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>>4793272
Yes?
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>>4793271
Fucking Zelretch and his magical realm...
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>>4793271
Can we transform into a sentient tank?
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>>4793272
Anal plug you dipshit
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>>4793271
For as cutesy as the Kaleidostick is portrayed, don't forget that it actually looks like this.
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>>4793271
What happened to Amethyst by the way? I want to henshin again!
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>>4793282
this, I need to know where we left that shy gem.
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>>4793282
QM took it away after Mahou Shounen Shinji and won't give it back until we vote for looking for it.
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>>4793187
At least Quetz has the excuse of the host very possibly giving up their mind/body for a cultural ritual.
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>>4793305
That's still... not great for Quetz.
But at least Quetz brings her own vessel and doesn't just kidnap a well known face from the future for fan service points.
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>>4793311
I imagine the vessel was willing for quetz. Hell it was probably an incredible honor
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>>4793311
Being a sacrifice was an honour and religiously/metaphysically significant in a lot of Aztec stuff iirc. Not all rituals were as simple as the heart ripping, and a lot of elaborate stuff basically has to be done with consent, and even the audience bled themselves.

Most likely, it was not coerced at all, and so...
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>>4793311
Honestly if the person is down for it i honestly dont care.
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>>4790770
Yeah, it's much better than what Rin got.
Yoinked out of her proper time and place and rewritten without her consent so a goddess can slut around in her body.
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>>4793327
How the fuck did I respond to the OP???
Meant for
>>4793318
>>4793320

Jesus.
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>>4793311
Aren't Aztecs super into human sacrifice? Seems like a great honor to be possessed by the Goddess you worship
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>>4793320
For example the Xipe Totec and Tezca sacrifices require that the sacrifice basically be treated as the god/incarnation of it for 20/40 days and then willingly offer themselves to the priests, and for Xipe this includes being flayed.
The Tezca sacrifices gets riches, four women etc while in his god impersonstor stage.
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Speaking of Quetz
>“I’ll replace the blood in your entire body with a ‘deathly poison that goes hand in hand with the most extreme pain in this world’, and furthermore, continuously bathe solar winds on your body until it becomes only bones; after that, I’ll affix your soul to them so that you’ll live as a skeleton as well, before making you do ten thousand years worth of labouring underground in the underworld!”
I can only imagine this to be Hernán Cortés on her relationship page, I can't imagine anybody else she'd seethe so hard at.
Same number of letters in the block letter name too.
That's a pretty impressive level of seethe she has for the man who effectively caused the destruction of the Aztecs.
Hopefully he shows up in the South America Lostbelt.
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>>4793345
That's pretty fair, yeah.
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>>4793348
Don't forget Cortés also pretended to be an emissary of Quetz or even Quetz themselves too.
The level of seething is entirely justified in this case.
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>>4793351
Also the whole genocide thing too, so yeah, evil guy
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Aztecs and mayans deserved it.
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"Now then. I'll leave you all to your own devices for just a minute, if you have to do any preparations for this, then please do, for now I want to go and check on the... other Rin, as well as confirm with Rin Kotomine if she's actually OK with an arrangement like this." With that said, you place the bottle back down on a table and head back over to the two Rins and Sakura. Sakura has crouched down and is in the process of receiving a long hug from the sobbing broken Rin, while your Rin watches on with pity in her eyes, not knowing what words she could possibly to say to herself to calm herself down.

As you approach the three girls, you overhear the words being mumbled by the sobbing Rin. "Sakura. Sakura, I'm... I'm so sorry! I... I didn't have a choice! I... I hate myself! It... It's all my fault! If I were stronger! If I had somehow known, then...!" Rin is practically begging for forgiveness through her sobbing anguish, and you can't help but feel for her. Both the Rin raised by Kotomine and

"It's alright, Nee-san..." Sakura hugs her sister tightly as she brings her arms up to return Rin's hug, clearly Sakura herself wasn't expecting Rin to be so emotionally fragile. "I'm sure... I'm sure that whatever happened... that it wasn't your fault." Sakura tries her best to comfort her sister from another world. This... This is getting to be a lot more miserable than you had first intended for. Maybe this whole idea of bringing in doomed Rins from other worlds wasn't exactly the best of plans in the first place. This is just sad. Seeing first hand that the sorrow that could have occurred in different worlds to the people you care about, and... now that they are here, you can't really just considered them to be fakes now that they are here. Call it stupid, but your desire to save those that you care about has managed to extend even to those three Rins who either don't know you or knew completely different versions of you. Damn it, your heart is just too weak when it comes to stuff like this.

"Rin." You call to the girl hugging her sister, and she slowly turns her head to look at you. "We need to have a talk." Rin just looks in your direction almost looking through you, as if not properly registering your presence. "You're not hallucinating, you know? This is all very much real, but the doomed world you came from... it's not here. In this world, the events that led to you becoming who you are right now didn't happen, and you were rescued moments before your death by the..."
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>>4793345
>Hopefully he shows up in the South America Lostbelt.
If nasu remembers who he is
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"Second... True... Magic?" Rin finishes your sentence for you, breathing out the words as if in shock. "Then... This... isn't a dream? Not... some... hallucination I'd rather trick myself into seeing rather than be aware of my own death approaching me?" Rin doesn't sound at all stable, but she seems to at least have some capacity for rational thought inside of her despite the anguish that has driven her to near-madness. "I... I didn't want to keep living... Not after what I did. I... I thought I was doing the right thing... for... for everyone! But..."

"I know, Rin. I know what you did, and you don't have to blame anybody for what happened to you... but the man who killed you." Shirou Emiya. Specifically, the Shirou who resolved to turn his mind to steel and become a Superhero. Rather than stop Rin from taking the action she would regret most of all, he instead chose to prioritize the faceless masses over his own loved ones. Rin, Illya, Taiga. Anyone he cared for, he wouldn't hesitate to strike down in an instant if he believed it to be the way that led to the humanitarian outcome. A Shirou destined to not only become a Counter Guardian, but to never have regrets about his choice. In other words, the most monstrous outcome possible for the boy known as Shirou Emiya. Rin isn't the one to blame for the suffering she's currently going through. She managed to bury her feelings for her sister just long enough to kill her, and it seems that as a result, has... broken completely, as a person

"No. You won't make me feel better about what I did. I'm a monster. An... awful human being. Scum. Sakura... I... I killed you Sakura. I killed you just because I was afraid of you, afraid of the damage you could do and people you could kill thanks to... thanks to the darkness of the grail using you as a puppet!" Sakura tenses up for a moment, somebody saying that they killed you is... really not the sort of thing you'd expect to hear from anybody outside of a bizarre situation like this, but...
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"Nee-san... I... I don't know what happened to me and you in that world, but... if there was really no other way to stop me from being used against you, as a weapon to kill indiscriminately, then... then you did the right thing. You say that you killed me, but... it sounds like you couldn't kill your own heart." Sakura doesn't stop hugging Rin. "If you were able to kill me and remain perfectly normal, that would've been the definitive proof that you aren't somebody who deserves to exist, right? But... You did what you thought you had to do, even if you would hate yourself forever for it." Sakura tries her hardest to comfort Rin, even forgiving her for killing the alternate version of herself who in Rin's mind was not somebody possible to save, and indeed, without the assistance and intervention of Shirou, wasn't somebody at all possible to save. Sakura's death was ensured the moment Shirou Emiya turned his mind to steel. Even if Rin had failed in her resolve to kill Sakura, Shirou at that point would not have hesitated for even a moment.

"You... You can't just forgive me... You... Nobody can forgive me for what I've done. I don't deserve to exist, Sakura. I... I welcome death despite being so terrified of it..." Rin's voice turns weak again. "I don't want to live anymore. There's... nothing left for me in my original world, and... being here... being here with you isn't something somebody like me deserves. So... I want you to kill me, Sakura. I can't bear the thought of another moment alive with the burden of my sin crushing me. So please..."

"Nee-san, I'm not going to kill you." Sakura hugs Rin even tighter no. "There's no purpose in me killing you, I don't begrudge you what happened, and while I might be different from the Sakura of that world, I don't think that she'd truly have resented you for stopping her before it was too late either." Rin looks shocked by Sakura's words.

"Of course, I can also offer you... another solution." You step in, this is about as good an opportunity as ever to bring up Ereshkigal to Rin and make your offer to her.

>"Would you prefer becoming a gestalt being with a goddess? You wouldn't have to bear with the pain anymore."
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
>Write-in...
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>>4793423
>Both the Rin raised by Kotomine and
Whoops, managed to cut this off by accident.
Should read
"raised by Kotomine and the Rin before you now."
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Anyway, this sure is a fun way to spend your day of relaxation.
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>>4793432
Its fine.
Was this the last update?
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>>4793429
"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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>>4793432
Oh well. I'm sure we'll get to the relaxing. Eventually.
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>>4793429
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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>>4793432
It is.
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>>4793432
It was necessary senpai.
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>>4793429
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
>>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
Offer her both options. If she doesn't want to join with Eresh, we won't force her. She can stay here with us for as long as she wishes.
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>>4793442
I feel like she may just kill herself if left alone.
Girl is very fucking broken mentally.
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>>4793429
>>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
You know what's worse about Mind of Steel? Sakura heard the whole thing, she heard Shirou and Rin condemn her to death
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>>4793433
It was, y e s.
Now it is time for me to sleep.
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>>4793445
Eresh will keep her sane, and having Superhero Eresh Rin close to our Sakura is a must. Might want to keep Eresh Rin away from Shirou though.
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>>4793445
Oh yeah, we'd have to put her on suicide watch and keep her away from Shirou.
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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>>4793445
Yeah, I don't think she can cope on her own. She's begging to be killed here.

>>4793447
At least it wasn't Femme Fatale.

>>4793449
I don't believe you.
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>>4793450
She has to eventually learn how to see him eye to eye, sword autist wont just cease to exist.
I want to see EMIYA's reaction to her.
Also saving the world may help her in getting better.
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wonder what Rin thinks about her mindbroken self
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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I wonder what everyone else around us is thinking about this situation. Do they feel bad for the Rins?
Also, we REALLY need to have a talk with Shirou about this. One Rin feels awful guilt over killing him, and the other watched him turn himself into a unfeeling murder machine.
We need him to convince them that he doesn't blame them, and will never turn into that monster.
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>>4793460
She now knows why people go insane while being pupils of Zelretch
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>>4793460
>>4793469
I imagine this is why she decides all other Rins are expendable.
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>>4793465
Shirou isn't here so we don't really need to, and i mean, those are just possibilities, they aren't who you are, just who you might become, Shinji should've been an abusive rapist now he's a pretty likable guy who puts the needs of others first

>>4793469
Kinda wanna ask her now it has to be a lot to take in
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>>4793477
>Kinda wanna ask her now it has to be a lot to take in
I definitely want to ask her too. We're talking to her about what to do with zero Rin anyway, it can be part of that conversation.
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>>4793429
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
>>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
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>>4793477
He's not here now, but we have to leave this room eventually you know. And even if they know this Shirou is diferent, its not like they'll just forget what happened with their Shirou.
I'm saying we need to warn Shirou that these 2 Rin's, that I assume are gonna stick around, are afraid of him and feel very guilty over killing him respectively.
He's a good guy, he'll want to reassure them that there's no issues with him.
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>>4793496
Agreed anon, we definitely need to tell him. I'm not worried about him convincing them, he's Shirou. But it's going to be a bumpy ride. Especially for this Rin.
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>>4793496
>>4793498
we could also kinda drop our origins or how different a person we are compared to our usual selves
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>>4793502
I'm not sure what you mean, anon.
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>>4793496
Mind broken Rin isn't scared for him. She welcomes death and doesn't feel any type of way. She doesn't even feel any type of way towards Shinji.

Church Rin thinks it was needed but she is guilty but doesn't consider it relayed considering her reaction to Shinji.
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>>4793502
No point, most of the people on this timeline wouldn't know any other Shinji and they wouldn't need to leave the universe making this unneeded.

Archer already let this leak and Church Rin's Shinji was significantly different. With a completely different flavor of Shinji MC Shinji doesn't seem strange.
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."

She has made her wishes known. She wants to die. It's up to us to convince her to accept an alternative. She won't appreciate the choice here.

I'm really happy this wasn't Femme Fatale Rin.
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>>4793508
She watched Shirou turn into a machine, I'm pretty sure she will have a bad reaction to him.
Kotomine Rin started crying when she said she killed Shirou, she clearly feels guilty over it.
Just give Shirou a warning.
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Well at least Zero Rin is... having a not soul crushingly miserable time?
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>>4793536
She looks very fuck able there
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>>4793536
she's popping the shit with two girls slightly older than her, a tiny albino snake, a dorky dragon girl and a fox pup, she's in more than capable hands
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>>4793536
Is she making friends with our daughters?
Or her future sisters by the looks of it?
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I just realized why Atlas has all the Velber shit and why we'll have to check them out.
Their other name is "Titan's Pit". It would make sense that its the Titan Atlas, but there also existed the White Titan of Destruction, Sefar...
They probably have remnants or bits of it around, and that didnt end well for Karl and Archimedes.
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>>4793429
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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>>4793536
well her friends and her family are probably all dead so she has nothing to comeback to
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>>4793514
Broken Rin and Archer know how Shinji is supposed to act though
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>>4793607
When talking about alternate worldlines, paths and the 2nd Magic, there really isn't a way one is "supposed to act" I feel unless they were to somehow know an entire Trees contents.
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>>4793614
Yeah, though Rin might be surprised when she looks through other timelines and finds out we're a dick in most of them.
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
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As a digression, while looking at Extra/CCC, I did find something interesting from Gil, which suggests he may help us out a bit with making a new Age, even beyond reasoning of friendship?

"...For humans, gods are nothing but a system to prop up their religion. For such a system to mingle with human beings is outside all your common knowledge and expectations. For now, at least. Well, let’s not talk of the future."

That bit about for now and future is interesting, since it talks about mingling with systems/gods...somewhen in the future?
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>>4793623
Not really considering fate extra and church Rin's timelines exist. Most of the timelines we know of is branches on the FSN tree. Any other timeline doesn't really show Shinji. Examples of this is Illyaverse and the one we're Sakura becomes a Eldfelt. Shinji isn't mentioned in those mostly because he isn't popular in the fandom.
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>>4793327
Rin has almost no luck. DESU I always hated Ishtar as a character, with or without the rinbody, and I'm only slightly better in opinion of Parvati, simply because the goddess isn't some bitch who demands people suck her toes as a greeting.
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>>4793124
>How about we give Rin has the ability to decide when you gain and lose control over the body?

https://youtu.be/STrMmLltKPs
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."

Also

>Have someone fetch Nero and her the sippy cup

Obeithion's Hope can be rejected, but sippy cup doesn't have a check
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>>4793759
Why do we need the cup?
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>Bearer of the Vessel of Salvation: EX
Thanks to the application of the concept of Salvation to her, Nero has gained access to something akin to the True Holy Grail. Instead of spewing forth a poison that corrupts and enslaves all life, this cup instead 'saves' whoever drinks from it. Absolving them of sin and purifying their body of any evils that cling to them.
>Nero dislikes using it for anything more than this, though it can be used as a Noble Phantasm.

Her grief is from her Sin.
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>>4793766
Good call

>>4793429
>>4793759
Support
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>>4793759
>her the sippy cup

I'm a right retard
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>>4793775
Yes
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im alive
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>>4793817
Based, I was wondering what you'd come up with
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>>4793817
KEK, based
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>>4793541
Guess I'm the only one who agrees
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>>4793826
based spherechad
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>>4793817
Amazing.
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>>4793817
it's a work of art
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>>4793817
Magnificent. Man I can’t wait until we get Monica back
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>>4793817
We must make Monica our Godmother, and official nanny for the children.
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>>4793817
this is the greatest shit ever
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>>4793817
Perfect.
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>>4794004
QM I thought you were gonna sleep longer than this.
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>>4794004
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>>4794012
But I am asleep right now.
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>>4794014
Go away Azathoth
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>>4794014
sleep-QM'ing is not a skill required in daily life. Pop some niquil and get the Zzzs
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>>4794017
No.
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>>4793817
That's great.

>>4794011
He NEVER sleeps longer than this. I'm pretty sure he's not human.
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>>4794022
>I'm pretty sure he's not human.
Rude.
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>>4794025
Why? Satsuki isn't human either.
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>>4794025
Is shortening your survivally required sleep amount a magical skill?
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>>4794028
True enough.
>>4794030
It's a high-ranked Mystery.
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>>4794028
Opinion on sippy cup addition to the prompt fren?

It's what Saver Nero is for
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>>4794042
mind explaining what sippy cup is for an uneducated fool?
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I like idea about cup too.
>>4793817
Nice.
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>>4794042
Forcing salvation on those not seeking it and who have already rejected forgiveness could lead to them going to so some dark places.
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>>4794049
It can be offered to both, not forced

Church!Rin might find it interesting

>>4794047
Bearer of the Vessel of Salvation: EX
Thanks to the application of the concept of Salvation to her, Nero has gained access to something akin to the True Holy Grail. Instead of spewing forth a poison that corrupts and enslaves all life, this cup instead 'saves' whoever drinks from it. Absolving them of sin and purifying their body of any evils that cling to them.
Nero dislikes using it for anything more than this, though it can be used as a Noble Phantasm.
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>>4794051
I'm a buffoon I should've just looked in SaviorNero's skill sheet.

I was thinking it was some VN reference
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>>4794051
>It can be offered to both, not forced
Church!Rin did nothing wrong. Not her fault Shirou kept trying to meddle like a retard.
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I hope we run into Martha on good terms soon. Really want to pet Tarasque.
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>>4794042
I don't really like relying on cheats like that, but it really is what Nero is for. Maybe we should offer them the option. I imagine church Rin will jump at the chance and broken Rin will reject it like she rejected Sakura's forgiveness.

>>4794056
She still feels guilty for killing him though.

Though if it really wasn't a sin, we offer her salvation and it doesn't change a thing it'll only make her feel more guilty.
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>>4793429
>"I could offer you the chance to stay here, in this world, where the mistakes you made cannot follow you."
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
Since sippy cup seems to be bad idea.
>>4793432
Frankly, it is much more fun this way. We are doing rather interesting things right now.
Still thinking about that Rin Matou we did not get.
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>>4794075
>Still thinking about that Rin Matou we did not get.
It's kind of a shame.
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>>4794075
>Rin Matou
We know she breaks day 1. She's more fragile than Sakura. I imagine her mental state is even worse than Byakuya's.

>>4794079
This looks uncanny.
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>>4794079
Tohsaka Sakura is so spooky
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>>4794081
>We know she breaks day 1.
I don't think she would actually break day 1 like Sakura says she would. I think it being Sakura behind the torture had quite a big part to play for Rin breaking immediately in Femme Fatale, not to mention that unlike Sakura, Rin knew she was doomed from the start in that ending and that there would never be any hope of being saved. So I don't think the two are really comparable, as much as Sakura's seething might make you think otherwise.
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>>4794085
I would say sakura's mental fortitude would've gotten her those years until the grail war, but I think Rin would last maybe around 1-2 years.
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>>4794085
She does break day 1 in Femme Fatal. Sakura being behind it makes it worse for sure, but Sakura held herself together well enough even with no hope of ever being saved. Heaven's Feel is the only route where she can feel that hope. Rin Matou may have lasted longer than a day, but there's no way she could last for years. She exudes confidence, but Rin does not have the same mental strength as her sister. Not remotely.

Have I said I'm really glad we didn't get Femme Fatale Rin in the gacha?
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>>4793429

>"Rin, I cannot unmake what has already happened."
>"It may seem impossible, but I can imagine the pain you have to endure. It's in small part why this world has been able to avoid the fate you experienced."
>"However, Sakura is right. The very fact of you being able to feel as you do shows that killing you, even if you feel it would bring you relief, would be a waste and a sin."
>"Rin, we may not be able to change our past, but we can affect our future."
>"And the reason you're here is because you may be able to help make it a better one."
>"Soul of goddess Ereshkigal has been summoned into the world, and you hold promise of being a compatible host for her."
>"Would you be willing to share your body with her?"

If we let them share the body as two consciousnesses initially, can they choose to fuse later as they interact?
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>>4794093
Sakura only managed to last as long as she did in canon F/SN because she saw the High Jump and latched onto Shirou.
If their positions were switched, I could see Rin having been in a similar sort of state to Sakura.
Doesn't Rin wade through Angra Grail Mud at one point?
Difficult to say she doesn't have some pretty great mental fortitude for that.
Heaven's Feel as a route is basically just there to grind Rin to dust.
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>>4794079
With Rin Kotomine having rather interesting timeline, I can only hope that you give us a chance to explore your Rin Matou timeline or get Rin Matou here to see how she reacts.
I can think of few fancy ways how it would be very personal for Shinji, Sakura and our Rin myself.
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>>4794096
It's all subjective and up to whoever is writing the character anyway.
It's not like Sakura was being permanently confined to the Wormpit like Femme Fatale Rin, who by all rights was undergoing an even more extreme version of Sakura's past because it couldn't have been more than a few minutes and Rin had already suffered a day's worth of torture.
Dark Sakura's seethe was pretty immense.
>"Oh, you know suffering? Name every tentacle."
>>4794099
Well that's not the only reason it's there but it does do a good job to deconstruct her strong image.
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>>4794101
>It's all subjective and up to whoever is writing the character anyway.
Isn't that always the case? Up to the writer, up to the reader's interpretation. There's no objective fact about those things, no experiment you can do to measure Sakura's and Rin's fortitude, put a number on them and see which one's bigger.

Dark Sakura's seethe was pretty immense, true. But if the positions were reversed and Dark Rin Matou was throwing Sakura in the wormpit in Femme Fatale, I'm certain that Sakura would not have broken so easily and Dark Rin would have been saying something like "Sakura still refuses to lose herself to despair but it's only a matter of time." instead of "She couldn't last a day going through what I've been through".
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>>4794110
It's probably something to do with when the suffering started.
Child Soldiers can put up with insane bullshit that grown men need to have drilled into them because their mental development adapted to suffering and death from a young age.
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>>4794116
Also add a massive layer of crushing guilt onto Rin as a realisation of how bad the suffering actually was and you've got a perfect mindbreak sandwich.
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>>4794116
Perhaps, yes, but you can't discount inherent personality traits. People are influenced by their environment, but they are not tabula rasa to be shaped entirely by it. Rin and Sakura were different even before their paths diverged when Sakura was sent to the Matou to be wormed. And those differences include their mental strength in addition to the obvious contrast in their demeanor.
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>>4794127
I disagree.
Shirou has more willpower than anybody else because of a traumatic as fuck event in his past.
It has nothing to do with personality.
Sakura is just a seething bitch in Femme Fatale.
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Rin Matou emotionally latched onto her Shinji. Who was in turn used by Zouken to manipulate that Rin into doing his bidding. Rin Matou would try her best to play Ice Queen archetype and do rivalry with Sakura Tohsaka because she would see it as the only way not to have Zouken torment her and her Shinji even more. You would get Shirou randomly bumping into fight a between Rin Matou and Sakura Tohsaka and their Servants. And to solve that war he would has to work with that world Shinji, who would be really into killing Zouken and saving Rin Matou even at the cost of his life. Just a normal Shirou trying to be a Saver and everyone else is more miserable and fuller of emotional trauma and hate than in FSN. And then think of some possible dead ends to this.
We know Zouken had catalyst to summon Para and he could have gone for something like making Rin Matou human-ELIXIR because gems and Average One in that timeline.
Bucket of cold water to everyone here and especially to us, Rin and Sakura. And it would hit us on a very personal meta level too because of we approached it in our world.
...I got a bit carried away here imagining this.
Our Rin will have a lot to think about after we are done here.
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I think Rin Edelfelt would've been interesting.
Extra Rin too.
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>>4794141
>I think Rin Edelfelt would've been interesting.
She would be transfer student type heroine and light version of Luvia I would imagine?
If she shows up with Luvia for war her world might be a more bright one.
>Extra Rin too.
"Fun" connection with BB, Spiritron Hacking and possible a Demi-Servant version of her?

Those two are probably the most stable ones.
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>>4794152
Both were still doomed Rins though.
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>>4794135
>It has nothing to do with personality.
It has EVERYTHING to do with personality. Shirou had it in him to become the sword autist even before that traumatic as fuck event. The event galvanised him, but everyone else in his place would have reacted differently. Some would have shut down entirely. Some would have tried to forget and move on with their lives. Some would also be determined to save people, but not nearly to the same self-destructive degree. Everyone is different, and only part of those differences is due to the experiences in life.
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>>4794157
Avalon changed Shirou's origin so no.
No he fucking did not.
I know you're a Sakurafag and I am as well but Rin would've managed as well as Sakura in her position I think.
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I want to put a BaBy inside BB.
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>>4794157
>>4794160
Survivor guilt is pretty big thing in japanese culture. it is one of the main reasons why Shirou was as he is during FSN.
Japan has a lot of social taboos like that in general so it fuck up your perception of reality if you get into negative social loop there.
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>>4794160
Sword autist as a description of his general mental illness, anon. Shirou would have jumped in front of Berserker's axe even without Avalon. That's what makes him special. Are you saying that everyone would have done the same when put in Shirou's place?
And no, Rin wouldn't have managed as well as Sakura in her position. Just as Sakura would not have been as good a mage as Rin when put in hers. People are not nearly as interchangeable as you seem to think.
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>>4794165
Shirou without his experiences is Prisma Shirou, bro. And not even Miyu-Shirou. They are barely the same entity, kf at all.
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>>4794160
If it matters, I've seen CM2 Character Materials cited to say Rin had the same Imaginary Numbers Origin, just not the same Element or Affinity.
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>>4794165
>Shirou would have jumped in front of Berserker's axe even without Avalon. That's what makes him special.
What makes him special is the fairy forged sheath suffusing his being that changed his elemental attribute and origin to Sword.
Therefore yes.
Anybody rescued instead of Shirou would've likely ended up very much like Shirou due to their changed Origin.
Rin almost certainly would have dealt with things just as well as Sakura did if she was given away instead.
That's just how children work.
They develop based on their surroundings.
And Sakura would've been a very powerful magus for that matter as well.
Dark Sakura's tentacle rape proves nothing but her desire to trap people in vore tentacle land.
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>>4794178
Now that I think about it, could it be some Edelfelt ancestry being expressed after the Tohsaka 3rd war thing? Luvia in Case Files says that the sisters must never forget they hold a knife to each others' backs, amongst other things. Their whole thing is Scales and dual sisters.
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>>4794178
Well if they have the same origin it's kind of settled then.
Rin would've managed.
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Do you guys think that both new Rins would benefit from a talk with Vritra?
She might have a strong word or two about obstacles and overcoming them to better themselves.
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I wonder if Rin can grab us Miyuverse Shirou or Miyu herself.
Miyu should be easy considering she is wished away anyway.
Just redirect her end location.
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>>4794190
I think they'd benefit from a talk with Shirou and maybe Illya too.
People they knew alternative versions of.
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>>4794191
Miyverse talk reminded me that Darius is also doing a Lostbelt plan. A world gestated inside Pandora's Box and he wants to make that the "real world"
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I wonder how the Argonauts are going to feel about Goddess Illya who is kind of their Master.
I wonder how Kerry feels about it.
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>>4794176
Of course Shirou would be a different person with different experiences. But anyone else in his place would still not be Shirou. Nature and nurture both matter, it's not 100% one or the other.

>>4794179
>Origin
t. Araya Shouren. Origin influences a person, but it does not determine everything about one's life. Shirou is not special because of his changed Origin. Or at least, not only because of that.

>That's just how children work.
>They develop based on their surroundings.
Children are not infinitely malleable anon. They have different talents, strengths, and yes, even personalities. And that's before taking account their different experiences. They have traits that cannot be changed no matter what, and trying to make them into someone they are not will not end well. Tabula Rasa is a woefully outdated theory.

Hell, we've been talking about how Ourobora will be dumb and gluttonous when she grows up. How is this different?
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>>4794192
EMIYA might give Broken Rin some perspective too now.
Ciel should be pretty good person for Rin Kotomine to talk to. Odds are Rin could have met her in her timeline?
>>4794200
>I wonder how Kerry feels about it.
If he only he listened to us instead of doing his retarded shit it all would have been much easier for everyone.
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>>4794202
Origin does a lot tho. Kerry never managing to fix anything, including relationships or truly saving anyone, Azaka broconhood and her Taboo origin, Lio and eating someone after murdering them before Origin Awakening, Holmes' Origin being Elucidation....
It is the core and base concept of someone, and their karma which restricts the probability space of their interactions, and limits what Adjacent Worlds can be borne by the Human Order.
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>>4794202
She'll also be an alcoholic
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>>4794191
We can give Miyu to Chiyome to raise as they have the same design and no one would know otherwise
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>>4794204
>If he only he listened to us instead of doing his retarded shit it all would have been much easier for everyone.
Actually, I've been thinking that going off by himself to get tortured by Acht was the best possible thing he could have done long-term. Illya would have never forgiven him if she came to Fuyuki and saw him staying with Shirou. And she would never have believed that he really was planning to come save her. She would have been sure that Acht was telling the truth and Kerry abandoned her for his new son.

It did get him tortured for a couple years, but he kinda deserved it.

>>4794206
I don't disagree that Origin does a lot. I disagree that it does everything.

>>4794208
That too, yes. Genes don't lie.
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>>4794202
I still think Sakura's mega molesting proves nothing about Rin.
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>>4794204
>If he only he listened
Fuck.
Just think about it. We patch him up fully. Make him kill Zouken for us and save Sakura earlier, in a year or two get Illya out properly and we would have gotten a lot of time to prepare for Grail War or even outright dismantle whole thing before it even starts.
Still annoyed at him for going about it in the most idiotic way.
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>>4794212
>Genes don't lie.
Well yes, but both being Edelfelt descendants and twins, I'd say thats more an argument against your own stance.
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>>4794217
They aren't twins are they?
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>>4794212
>Illya would have never forgiven him if she came to Fuyuki and saw him staying with Shirou. And she would never have believed that he really was planning to come save her. She would have been sure that Acht was telling the truth and Kerry abandoned her for his new son.
I am really not seeing how we would never act on it before the war. I think we still benefited quite a lot in the end but we really wanted to be more effective at that time instead of seeing him just fucking off to somewhere.
>It did get him tortured for a couple years, but he kinda deserved it.
Certainly.
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>>4794217
Sakura and Rin aren't twins. And they were different even before Sakura was sent away. Sakura takes after her mother. Rin takes after her father. This is not an argument against my own stance.

>>4794220
>I am really not seeing how we would never act on it before the war
Anons were saying we should wait for Illya to get to Fuyuki and out of Acht's grasp before we tried to get her out. It would have certainly been too late by then, and I really doubt we would have chanced to storm Acht's castle with Kerry and break her out, even with better preparation.
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>>4794222
I recall WhatIs telling us that rushing after him could have resulted in us getting Illya out. Or failing spectacularly.
Give it a year of preparations at that point and I`d say we got solid odds in our favour to risk it.
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>>4794225
We also could've gotten Monica on our side for it if we got him to wait.
Kairi too if he knew what Kerry was trying to do.
Kairi would be all about helping Kerry if he knew the situation.
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Will Atalanta let us stroke her ears?
How will she feel about Illya?
Will she like us for our collection of adopted children?

If we meet Jack what concept would be best for her?
Rebirth?
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>>4794226
And Waver with Gray. And our money with Kerry`s connection to black markets.
>>4794229
Tranquility?
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>>4794225
"Failing spectacularly" is an understatement. iirc, he said we would have become Illya's slave for the war so the Einzbern would have had two Servants, we'd have left Sakura alone for a couple years, and we'd have had to find a way to break out on our own.

And we were preparing for the 5th back then. I think we would not have wanted to divert so much effort to springing Illya, the plan to wait until she gets here would have won, and there would be no hope of convincing her it's all Acht's fault

>>4794229
Maybe
She'll love her.
Yes

>>4794234
Tranquility seems good.
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>>4794237
I wouldn't have minded being Illya's slave desu.
Will she really love Illya?
She's like 20.
Then again she's a goddess now so she's basically a newborn.
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>>4794246
She looks like a child. A child who suffered, who almost got possessed and fought off a goddess. She hits all of Atalante's buttons even before they meet.
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>>4794247
The tranny hates Poseidon right?
Will Caenis object to having Illya vore his divine core from her?
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A God, Consumed, Absolutely fucking drained.
>Dragon roars in the background
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>>4794249
You'll have to ask the nigger, he's the Argonaut expert. I only know about Atalante from Apocrypha.
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>>4794258
Where the fuck is our retarded monke right now?
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>>4794259
She supports Wodime because he wanted to turn all humans into gods which would by default obliterate Poseidon too.
Though there's a good chance removing Poseidon's core from her will cause her to become less of a tranny too.
Will also boost Illya pretty massively.
Especially if she can steal Authority from the Gods she eats.
I'd like to use Illya against the Chinese Goddess that shows up in El Mello Adventures too.
Said Goddess wants to vore Ergo so she totally deserves getting eaten.
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>>4794266
>"Sorry about raping you here's a piece of my essence of a God so you'll never ever forget me."
- Big P
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>>4794266
You mean the xian in El Melloi? I don't know if she counts as a divinity. Xian are basically chinese knockoff True Ancestors, and true ancestors are elementals, which are without worship or divinity.

Ilya could vore Ergo's gods tho.
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>>4794274
I think they count because it straight up calls them a Divine Spirit.
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>>4794274
Also Orochi's god eating skill let him steal Arc's power in this quest.
So...
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>>4794278
I thought that wasn't about the xian, but the Divine Spirits that contributed to making Ergo and now want to eat him. Those three are from Atlas and separate from the xian who ALSO wanted to eat him.
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>>4794263
Throwing shit in the zoo probably.
>>4794279
>"You have to eat all the DAAs, Illya."
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>>4794282
It calls her a deity multiple times.
She's a deity.
She's a snack for Illya.
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Wait.
We are fucking retarded.
We can make Divinity on spot for Illya to consume and add to her powers.
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>>4794298
Seems like kind of a waste for your one use of the divinity concept, no?
Anyway, I've got just a little bit of free time so I might be able to get an update out, what won?
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We made that divine alcohol in a dead end for Shuten and she transformed and vored us.
As it stands we can try to do that with other divine food resulting in creation of things like Ambrosia, Manna, Peaches of Immortality, Golden apples, Soma or Amrita.
>Amrita is repeatedly referred to as the drink of the devas, which grants them immortality. Despite this, the nectar does not actually offer true immortality. Instead, by partaking it, the devas were able to attain a higher level of knowledge and power, which they had lost due to the curse of Sage Durvasa, as described in the samudra manthana legend. It tells how the devas, after the curse, begin to lose their immortality. Assisted by their rivals, the asuras, the devas begin to churn the ocean, releasing (among other extraordinary objects and beings) the amrita.
>Amrita is sometimes said to miraculously form on, or flow from, statues of Hindu gods. The substance is consumed by worshippers and is alleged to be sweet-tasting and not at all similar to honey or sugar water. Amrita was the last of the fourteen treasures that emerged from the churning of the ocean and contained in a pot borne by Dhanvantari, the physician of the devas.
If we can make it work than instead of giving divinity juice to Illya we would be able to create divine drink that will just give her full connection to Third since it was lost in close manner.
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>>4794311
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."

Reminder to ask Eresh to be nice and patient with this Rin, she's been through a lot.
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>>4794311
>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
This.
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>>4794311
>>"I could offer you the chance to share your body with a goddess who will... hopefully help you come to terms with things."
This I think.
>Seems like kind of a waste for your one use of the divinity concept, no?
It is not like that concept ever did anything good to us. Or will ever do.
Using it for worthwhile buff seems like a good idea.
Provided it will work as intended.
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>>4794326
The divinity concept is a powerful trump card that can be played in a dire situation if you don't screw it up.
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>>4794330
Divinity Alaya
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>>4794330
You know better, of course.
But since it always bites us in the ass I feel like we might just use it to fill a cup.
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>>4794330
Divinity Shinji
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Divinity could also be good for Arc. As an Elemental she is nearly the same kind of being already, just without faith and Authority, even if she receives support from the planet and can use Marble Phantasm. God of the Earth, maybe?
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>>4794342
Straight downgrade.
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"I can offer you the... chance to share your body with a goddess, who is the sort of person who will allow you to come to terms with things... She's the sort of person who's... used to dealing with suffering." Yes, an entire underworld's worth of suffering, actually, and Ereshkigal, unlike almost any other god, actually sought to alleviate the suffering of her subjects, so the same should ring true for the suffering of her host. Ereshkigal is at heart kind, and through interacting with Rin and being within her body, she should also have her more unreasonable traits tempered slightly. It's only natural that a goddess within a human body would be less... troublesome than their true form. It's why you intend to have Ishtar share Rin Kotomine's body with her, while they aren't strictly taking the entire soul and absorbing it as they might have if it were a Pseudo-Servant summon as approved by those hacks at Chaldea, traits of their host should end up shining through into the goddess regardless. Of course, not so immediately as an actual Pseudo-Servant might be able to, but this is a good compromise that ought to make everyone happy, this... this is how Pseudo-Servants would all work, if you had your own way. Or would at least require full consent from the host body before taking everything that they are. You're not going to do any mental gymnastics to try to defend Pseudo-Servants like those assholes at Chaldea do, you still need to thank Arcueid for purging them, and you also need to deal with that asshole Marisbury at some point in the future too. Ah well, you'll make sure he spills his guts as to what he was actually planning before you decide whether or not his guts need to be spilled in the more literal sense.

"Share... my body?" Rin repeats your words quietly.

"Think of it as a form of possession, though one benevolent in concept, where you'd maintain as much control over your body as you wished and the goddess would control your body for the other half of the time, I'll also imagine that you won't ever be alone either, and you'll always have her to speak with. I beseech you not to give up on living, Rin. You are stronger than that. If you accept this, then I'm sure that you'll be able to come to terms with things and reach a conclusion that ends in something other than accepting your own death." You explain things more clearly to Rin, who looks down at the floor, as if weighing her options.

"If... If that's what you think I should do, then... I don't want to be the one in control... ever." Rin says something completely unbelievable. Effectively offering up her body in its entirety to an unknown goddess. Does she really want to die that much?

"What...? Why? Why on Earth would you just... give away your individuality like that, Rin?! I'm offering you a chance to-" You are alarmed at Rin apparently having a wish to lose all control of herself, but before you can admonish her for those foolish words, she cuts you off.
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"I don't deserve it. If you dragged me here to this world to serve as the vessel of a goddess, then just... give her full control. I don't deserve to interact with this Sakura, not... not after what I did. I was afraid of death, and of who came to deliver it to me, but... I was also longing for it. I'm... not the sort of person who deserves to live. All that... All that seeing your Sakura has done has shown me... it's shown me that if... If I were maybe a little smarter, more powerful, more kind... then... Then I wouldn't have been forced to kill her..." Rin starts weeping openly now, and you feel dreadful as you look at the clearly broken human being in front of you. Well, it looks like you'll have to be the one who decides how this is going to happen, Rin has effectively announced that she has no intent to live, and she might even try to take her own life if she's the one in control...

>Have Ereshkigal be in control at all times, with Rin as an observer.
>Have Ereshkigal and Rin become one. If Rin doesn't wish to live, then you may as well fulfill her request.
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.
>Have Ereshkigal and Rin share the body evenly anyway, Rin will learn to cope, you hope.
>Write-in...
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.

well that's just sad.
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.
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We need a good speech to convince her not to give up on life.
Thinks seem hopeless to her because the wound is still fresh.
Any ideas?
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>>4794356
What a nice day of rest.
Dealing with a suicidial alternate version of Rin and an almost as mentally broken version of Rin raised as an Executor.
This is definitely what Medea and Sakura had in mind.
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>>4794356
Well its either this or simply the "become one" option. You could definitely argue she is not in a right state of mind, but she also made a choice, hmm.
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>>4794361
All necessary senpai, we wouldn't have the time if we were meta gaming against Manaka.
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>>4794360
I can only think of one thing that can help. We go get Shirou and make him High Jump.

>>4794351
>>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.
Yeah, she's going to suicide herself if she's given a chance.
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>>4794361
I dunno, it was a pretty cool day outside of the Morrígan thing.
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>>4794351
>"i never expected you to give up so easily, even when given another opportunity to do better."
>"stop thinking about what you did, in that situation it was the only thing you could do."
>"you have no foresight of the future to be able to stop what happened, it was not in you control."
>"So, try again, tohasaka rin, i know you are a strong girl, dont just let yourself to die.
>"at least try to get better and do better, this is a rare chance to do that."
>"I know you have in you the willpower to get over this."
>"let us and eresh help you with that."

I'm open for ideas if anyone has some.
Poor poor sad rin
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>>4794370
You still have to get castrated yet.
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>>4794372
If we are up for Shuten and Vritra' eating tendencies, this'll just be a minor bump on the road.
Though maybe she'll see through our actions and intentions along with what we did for her and it'll turn out alright.
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>>4794372
We need to go hang out with Tiny Rin and fuck with Archer first.
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>>4794351
>>4794371
Support.
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>>4794371
+1
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>>4794351
>>4794371
Supporting.
We have to at least try.
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>>4794379
>>4794381
...?
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>>4794360
>Any ideas?
Tell her that while she might have given up on her life people around her haven`t? She is still Rin even if very unlucky one.
Mention that she has a second chance in life? And her wasting it will be worse than anything else?
Tell her if she want to make things right and have her desirable punishment-redemption she should master her own strength and look to the future like all Rins normally do?
Tell her that while she is here it is no longer going to be her bleak world of bitter regrets a place with a future unshackled by sins of the past?
Eresh should still be the one on control and Rejuvenation is probably required to help her.
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>>4794382
Sorry. Forgot I voted. Ignore the second one.
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.
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>>4794379
>>4794381
Samefagging caught in 4k 60fps LOL
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal and Rin become one. If Rin doesn't wish to live, then you may as well fulfill her request.
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>>4794371
I don't think this will work, as playing on her pride or being right is the usual way, but she is too broken for that.
The only one I can see working is framing it as a punishment.
"You want to die and pass on peacefully? Its not so easy." Or just leave it to Eresh
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>>4794385
How do you forget that you did something in 3 minutes anon? Very suspicious.
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>>4794371
I don't think there's anything we can say at this point to make her change her mind. Her wishes are very clear, and even Sakura didn't help. She needs more than we can offer her right now. She needs time and effort to heal. I hope Eresh will be able to help her, but we can't.
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>>4794390
>>4794394
We have to at least try, rin needs to find in herself t least the will to try.
If she dont accept it, we just have her split with eresh.
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>>4794391
I'm at work, on my phone. I really just forgot.
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>>4794351
>>4794371
+1.
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>>4794351
>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.


>>4794395
We tried, we really did. Sakura tried as well, and she's even better equipped to deal with this than us. If we could speech-check this away, we would have done it already. We have to accept that we can't always make things better immediately. There's not always an immediate perfect solution. Only Eresh can help this Rin.
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>>4794402
I still want to try the speech.
I fail to see the problem of trying it.
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And this is only the third most broken Rin you could've got!
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>>4794402
We haven't written in a speech for her yet man. All the options have been just generic "talk to her" options.
I think we should give it a shot. We managed to convince Vritra, Shuten, Nobu and more. I think a try is worth it.
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>>4794405
Can you elaborate on the other rins?
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>>4794405
How would Femme Fatale Rin act?
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>>4794405
By the measure of our original objective of having Ereshrin, this is an unmitigated success, with a voluntary giving up of control, its just that circumstances may have changed some people's goals...
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>>4794405
Tell me about the others.
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>>4794404
She's already suicidal, and you're guilt-tripping her. You're telling her empty words that she doesn't believe in. She rejected Sakura's forgiveness, she already thinks she's weak and useless. I can see this speech making it worse.

>>4794405
Wait, what's the second?

>>4794407
Shinji spoke to her. Sakura spoke to her. She remains unconvinced. I don't see why it makes a difference that it's a write-in.
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>>4794410
Catatonic or constantly begging for mercy and screaming I assume.
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>>4794414
I thought she'd be sex crazed and completely mind broken based on that one Doujin.

JK you're probably right.
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>>4794413
Its not guilty tripping, i'm trying to get her to believe she can get better, that she has inside the power to do it and that what happened was impossible to be stopped unless she had foresight.
Trying wont kill her and wont change anything if it fails.
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>>4794413
Rin Matou.
Remember, it's not just a parallel Rin.
It's a parallel Rin moments from death.

>>4794410
Completely catatonic.
>>4794408
More than a few of them speak for themselves, honestly.
A lot would've just been plain Rin.
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>>4794413
Yes, I think a write-in will help. Almost all our best decisions have been write-ins.
Telling her to try to make things better in the future is a good angle to get her to keep trying.
Worst case scenario she just refuses and we go back to the other choice.
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>>4794419
Looks like we need to meet her even more now.
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>>4794351
>>4794371
Support.
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Oh come on, lets at least try.
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>>4794418
First line is straight up guilt tripping her for giving up easily. I can see her thought process when she hears this being something like:

>"i never expected you to give up so easily, even when given another opportunity to do better."
I am disappointed in myself. Even this Shinji is disappointed in me. I don't deserve another opportunity
>"stop thinking about what you did, in that situation it was the only thing you could do."
Empty words. I killed my own sister. I can't stop thinking about it. I look around me and I see I could have done better
>"you have no foresight of the future to be able to stop what happened, it was not in you control."
More empty words. I killed her. No one else. Everything was in my control and I blew it
>"So, try again, tohasaka rin, i know you are a strong girl, dont just let yourself to die.
Even more empty words. I'm not strong. I wouldn't be here if I was
>"at least try to get better and do better, this is a rare chance to do that."
I can't do better. I don't deserve that chance
>"I know you have in you the willpower to get over this."
Then you don't know me. I have no willpower. I want to die.
>"let us and eresh help you with that."
No one can help me with that.

>>4794419
Oh

>>4794420
Write-ins that did something completely different to what was offered. This isn't. This offers nothing that she hasn't heard or thought of before. And remember, getting btfo'd by Morrigan was also a write-in. Write-in does not mean automatically better.
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>>4794418
>trying wont change anything if it fails
Don't underestimate things going wrong. It could ALWYS become worse.
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>>4794351
Going >>4794371 but I would prefer to play more on her desire for any kind of redemption.
And I would still prefer for Eresh to be in control at least for now.
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>>4794426
No
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>>4794429
I disagree, but whatever.
>>4794430
Only if you say so.
>>4794431
You have any ideas?Just say so.
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>>4794433
Why do you disagree? Reread everything she's heard and everything she's said since she got here. What are you telling her that's new? Naive optimism isn't always the best approach.
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>Makiri Sanatorium & support groups for the victims of magecraft abuse
>Entire wing of an edifice size of a small town is dedicated to parallel Rins
>"How does Zelretch manage to put up with all this? How does one look into faces they recognize and remain detached?"
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>>4794433
Here >>4794384
A bit late for that though. And it is not like I think yours is that bad.
But it would be a right moment to flex some Saver credentials.
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>>4794437
Makiri therapy for Dead End Characters Carnival Scene.
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>>4794435
Dude, i just disagree.
But its fine.
>>4794438
Hm, i see.

QM, when are you calling?
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As I said, the only thing I can think of is somehow framing it as punishment while not actually being so. Eventually have to become an attendant/subordinate in Eresh's afterlife? Helping her manage the dead, etc? Eternal thankless work. I think there was such a position in Kur in myth.
Think of it as preparation for that kind of work, while death is a release? While Eresh slowly works on her.

I've got nothing else to this degree of damage.
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>>4794385
>>4794424
Samefag remembered how to samefag. Do something QM
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>>4794439
+1
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>>4794437
Zelretch is insane
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>>4794445
No, based on what we see in HF and SF, hes really not.
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>>4794389


>>4794356
>>4794359
>>4794366
>>4794368
>>4794386
>>4794402


>>4794371
>>4794379
>>4794400
>>4794424
>>4794431


>Have Ereshkigal be the one in control of who has control over the body, only allowing Rin to take control over the body under her watch.

Is winning.
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>>4794442
The samefag vote is losing anyway, I don't even get why the vote is being samefagged since its just talk no jutsu and not a waifu or power up vote. Unless its the creator of that vote who is self shilling?
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>>4794371
I thought it was pretty clear that this Rin doesn't want to be forgiven at this moment, and no amount of speeches or kind or supportive words are going to help here. Sakura herself offered forgiveness and Rin still wants to die.
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>>4794450
Also, you might have forgotten, but this Rin hates her Shinji.
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>>4794450
Call the vote then QM, something strange is going on with that group of anons.
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>>4794451
Tsun to Eresh`s dere.
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>>4794450
Then I guess we'll just let Eresh handle her over time.
Hopefully Eresh helps her cope, and gets her to come out eventually.
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>>4794450
desu I still want to tell her something at least a little bit encouraging before we pour Eresh over her.
Even if it won't change her mind now, it can be something for her to remember later.
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>>4794452
I might not be able to finish the update before I head off for a few hours.
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>>4794452
>trange is going on with that group of anons.
I am perfectly fine with either.
It is just hard to resist temptation for a Saver speech.
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>>4794450
>>4794451
Yes.
But i still want to to try it, but its fine if people vote for something else.
I just like speeches.
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Talk anons do realize she came from the world where Shinji raped Sakura, right? That Rin also knows about it too.
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>>4794462
>"Damn, I wish he was just as proactive here."
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>>4794462
Of course.
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>>4794462
Why does that exist. Who would buy it?
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>>4794466
So... on what planet would Rin ever want to listen to the rapist of his sister? She'd sooner blow Shinji up with gem magecraft than listen to whatever bullshit is spewed from our mouths no matter how "good" we may be in this timeline. You don't just "forgive" someone who has the same face and voice of the sexual assaulter of your sister who had been doing it under your nose for years.
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>>4794467
Collectors mostly, or Sakura haters?
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>>4794469
>Hating Sakura so much that you collect all merch with her and think about her all the time
You have to admire the commitment.
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>>4794468
Ok? thats rin's problem not ours.
She will have problems with us and shirou, its something she has to suck it up if she gets better, she knows how the multiverse shit works.
>>4794467
>>4794469
>>4794472
Its just figmas, you can pose that shit, the guy just posed both for that pic.
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>>4794476
>Ok? thats rin's problem not ours.
>She will have problems with us and shirou, its something she has to suck it up if she gets better, she knows how the multiverse shit works
You sure that's the line of logic you want to follow with a girl on the verge of a total mental breakdown?
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>>4794483
So vote called then?
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>>4794476
My point is that talk no jutsu in this case will just earn us a slap and "How dare you tell me what to do with myself, you fucking rapist!" from Rin. If someone you truly, truly hated told you how to live your life or what to do would you listen to them?
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>>4794450
I'm willing to bet the only type of speech that'd work is something completely opposite. Like
"You want to die? Death is a release from pain and punishment. You killed Sakura, you don't get to die. You have to live and make it up to her, live for as long as possible and be as strong as possible, so you don't die. So you can keep the memory of Sakura and what you did alive for as long as you can. She deserves nothing less!"
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>>4794487
Sure.
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>>4794483
If she really stays and dont kill herself somehow in the future she will have to learn how to live with shinji and shirou, its not something i expect of her now, obviously.
>>4794488
Its fine, its her choice to listen or not, i dont expect her to, i just wanted to try.
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In any case, I hope Eresh can get through to her over time.
I'd be awful if she just dissapears forever.
Maybe a concept can help her forgive herself?
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>>4794501
A concept would be too close of mind rape in this case, this is something she has to do herself, not be forced on.
And yeah, hope eresh can help her.
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Late to vote but wouldn't nero's cup work here? Since it absolves her of sin only problem with this is she doesn't want to be forgiven.
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>>4794505
I feel like she would just reject what the cup does.
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>>4794510
Yeah probably i just feel bad for this rin since we just kinda gave up on saving her and just allowed her to be a meat puppet. Hopefully she at least becomes happier with ereshkigal in control of her body.
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"Then, Ereshkigal will have full authority over who shall be in control of your body at any given time, and without her permission to take control of the body, you will be an observer." For most deities, allowing them this sort of authority over a host body would effectively be the same as consigning the host to imprisonment within their own minds, consenting or not, but for Ereshkigal... For Ereshkigal you aren't so sure. She's a possessive goddess, of course, but... she's also deeply caring over those she considers her subjects, and the odds are that she will very much consider the tortured soul who is this broken Rin Tohsaka as one of those subjects. "Do you have any objections to that, Rin?"

"Just... Do it." Rin sounds utterly defeated still, and while you won't be granting her the death that she apparently seeks, you hope that she will come to appreciate your attempt to help her. Nothing else would allow you to actually save this Rin, you think. She has already rejected an offer of forgiveness from Sakura herself, and no kind words would allow you to change her mind, no matter how well intentioned or charismatic they might be. Right now, in her current state, Rin Tohsaka does not wish to be saved. The guilt of murdering Sakura has clearly gnawed away at her sanity to the point where death would be a preferable alternative to being alive for her. In fact, you don't doubt that this Rin would almost certainly kill herself if she were left alone for long enough. All this world existing has done has shown Rin that yes, she did take the wrong decision. Killing Sakura was not the correct thing to do. There exists worlds out there where Sakura did not have to die.

"As you wish." You state calmly, before turning to Rin Kotomine. "I take it you heard the conversation with Ishtar, do you have any last minute objections?" You want to make absolutely sure that she is absolutely OK with things before going ahead with this.

"No. I am quite alright with being the Seal of a Goddess, the terms of the contract that will be formed upon possession will ensure that I will remain in complete control no matter what the goddess might do to attempt to usurp control from me." Rin Kotomine sounds especially calm about things, and so you turn back to the bottle. "So... how exactly are we doing this?" You ask the Casters, not exactly knowing just what sort of process would be best to extract the goddess souls from the bottle and put them into the Rins.
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"This is... an area of expertise for me, hand me that bottle." It's Morgan again who offers her assistance, you wonder just what her true motives might be at this point, it's a possibility that she really does seek redemption after what she ended up doing that contributed to the fall of Camelot, considering her hare brained scheme to bring Arturia back to life, but at the same time you can't help but want to keep an eye on her. Arcueid might trust her, but that doesn't mean for an instant that you should follow her example. Somebody needs to be wary of this woman, and seeing as she's a direct rival to Merlin in terms of her magecraft, you'd be a fool to just consider her a non-threat.

Still, there's nothing to worry about in just giving her the bottle here, she's surrounded by multiple people who could overpower her right now, and if she tries any funny business... well, you'll just have to explain to Mordred why you had to kill her mother. You're sure that Mordred will understand, she herself is already keeping her mother on a tight leash, and likely wouldn't forgive a betrayal, though for now at least, Morgan seems content to work with you. Well, the alternative is the end of reality as everyone knows it, so of course working with you would be preferable to betraying you for whatever nonsensical reason she might be able to think up.

"Thank you." Morgan places the bottle on the table before uttering words in a language that is nearly impossible for you to comprehend, the few words you can make out from what you can only assume to be the language of the fairies are words that you are unfamiliar with. Oh well, it appears as if the rest of the room are similarly unable to understand Morgan's words, but as she speaks, the bottle begins to levitate, and suddenly it dissolves in an instant, leaving two glowing balls in its place. Pure white and contained perfectly, with a wave of her hand, the souls collide with the two Rins chosen to be their hosts, and there's a bright light as the contracts are formed between goddess and host. When the light clears, you can see Kotomine Rin looking... well, almost the exact same, barring the single red eye she now has. Her other eye is still a brilliant blue. You look over to the Broken Rin, and see a much more drastic change. While her outfit is still the same as it was before, her hair has turned fully blonde, and both of her eyes are sparkling crimson. Her vision is locked onto you, a grateful expression filling her eyes, looks like Ereshkigal is definitely the one in control right now.

>Speak with Rin Kotomine first. See how she's coping with the changes.
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
>Excuse yourself and go and find the young Rin.
>Ask your Rin for her thoughts on things.
>Write-in...
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>>4794519
>>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
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>>4794519
>>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
>speak with church rin after
>Ask your Rin for her thoughts on things and after ask her to come with you to talk to loli rin
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>>4794351
Just got here and read the update.
Damn, I'd slap her if she was a guy. I guess it's either try to change her mind now (and probably fail) or let Eresh take the wheel and hope she gradually finds the will to live and enjoy life back.
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
Did Eresh listen to the conversation? Or do we have to tell her about Rin's issues?
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>>4794525
Its better to let eresh handle it for now.
I would have slapped her and called her a weak bitch if she was not that broken.
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Be back in a few hours. Be good, thread.
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
>>4794522
What's the point of voting like this?
The votes specifically says who we want to speak with first.
You just put down every option.
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
>Offer her Concept of Rejuvenation.
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>>4794531
I want to ask Medusa to take her big girl form so we can ride in her cleavage.
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>>4794548
I feel like sleeping on it would be cool.
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>>4794519
>>4794543
Support
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I would like to shill this idea for Eresh again.
>>4792122
>>4792125
Because Broken Rin really need something like that and Eresh deserve a gift for helping Illya.

>>4794548
We should ride her normally too since it will make her part of Rider Shinji`s Noble Phantasm
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>>4794551
Rider Shinji is OP.
Vritra, Alitheia and Lugh.
GRAND RIDER.
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>>4794559
Pegasus too.
Maybe Mordred if she keeps carrying us.
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>>4794519

this sounds like a plan >>4794522
Eresh, then CathoRin, then Rin Prime (PRin?)


>>4794531
How does Medusa feel about hardness innuendos? Not very amused I'd wager.
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>>4794559
>>4794562
We can add Beaky too if he ever shows up again.
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>>4794519
>>4794522
Support
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I kind of want Church Rin to get her own story.
The idea is cool.
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>>4794570
I think it would be nice suggestion for Carnival.
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So, who are some gods who are getting fed to Illya or Ourobora if they decide to show up no questions asked?
I'm still wondering if Caenis will let herself be Unposeidened.
We can get her on side fully by promising to erase Poseiden fully like we did Roa right?
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>>4794582
You should be asking "who are some gods who aren't getting fed to Illya or Ourobora if they decide to show up no questions asked?", seeing as Nasuverse makes everybody more of an asshole than they normally would be
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>>4794519
>>4794522
+1 and suggest rejuvenation to Eresh and indomitability to Church Rin
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>>4794587
I can only really think of maybe Quetz?
What gods aren't worth keeping around?
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
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Why are Gods all such shitters?
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>>4794587
>>4794609
I guess Astraea is alright. She wants to guide humans, and hates injustice.
But she is another pseudo, so I dunno. Without Luvia she is more strict, and not as hands on.
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>>4794614
I think nasu just dislike gods.
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>>4794616
Fuck Astraea and fuck her gorilla arms too.
All Pseudos get the rope.
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>>4794587
Artemis she's nice and killing her would piss off atalanta and orion so we should avoid doing that.
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>>4794624
Artemis is a controlling bitch.
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Should probably check on Rin Prime. She should be shaken seeing these possiblies. Maybe Sakura afterwards then the actual Rin's themselves.
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>>4794631
Rin Prime is a big girl.
She can handle it.
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>>4794519

>>4794522
Support
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>>4794626
>Artemis is a woman
yeah
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Well, with God voring Illya we now have a perfect weapon for taking out Rhongomyniad without killing Arturia.
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>>4794519
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
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I hope Church Rin and Ishtar get along.
Oh who am I kidding the two are going to fucking despise each other.
At least Eresh and Broken Rin will have a nice relationship.
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we're adding Church Rin and Ereshrin to the harem right?
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>>4794683
Of course why else would we summon them if not for that purpose.
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>>4794683
Why would you want Ishtar in the harem
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>>4794691
I really can't wait for kids in highschool in 40 years to have to learn the family tree of the Makiri.
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>>4794683
Ereshrin probably already at 99/100, after giving her a body and fucking over Ishtar.
She'll definitely be after we concept her and tell her our Underworld plan.
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>>4794697
I want Church Rin.
Screw Shittar
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>>4794683
Duh


>>4794697
She's cute and easy to bully
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>>4794522
>>4794519
+1, kinda worried and interested about what she thinks
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>>4794701
I wonder what our Demigod Children with her will be like.
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>>4794683
sure
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Of course, the problem would be that Broken Rin would watch us fuck Eresh. From her point of view.
Hopefully Rin ends up liking us through Eresh, or just eventually gets better and falls for us the regular way, or this could get weird.
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>>4794742
she'll think she deserves it
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>>4794742
I'd say falling for us will probably occur as a result of Eresh really wanting to fuck us.
Shared emotions you know?
Also Rin is probably going to fall in love with brightest timeline Shinji anyway.
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God it sucks not being able to do more for Broken Rin even with all our power.
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>>4794772
She needs time, and someone to be there for her. Right now there isn't much we can do outside of straight up brainwashing.
Hope we get an interlude of Eresh talking to her eventually.
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And I am back,
What's winning?
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>>4794807
this >>4794522
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>>4794807
Eresh let you go?
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>>4794522
>>4794563
>>4794569
>>4794598
>>4794638
>>4794718


>>4794521
>>4794526
>>4794534
>>4794538
>>4794610
>>4794666

>>4794543
>>4794550


If you count the last 2, Just Eresh.
Otherwise, tied.
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>>4794814
Liberation Concept.
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>>4794819
A tie between speaking to Ereshkigal first or speaking to Ereshkigal first.
Spicy.
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>>4794824
It's really stupid.
Just vote to speak to the others after.
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>>4794519
>>4794550
I'll change my vote to
>Speak to Ereshkigal Rin first. See if she can speak with the other Rin still.
To avoid the tie.
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>>4794824
i would like to talk to Ereshkigal
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Luvia is going to be so confused.
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>>4794832
>>4794833
well both votes are the exact same thing so i have no idea why you're switching since even QM realizes that
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>>4794844
oh i'm dumb i thought we were tied
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>>4794843
OHOHOHOHOHO
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>>4794843
She's outnumbered now.
Gotta pull out some Luvias to even the odds.
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>>4794843
confused heretic is still heretic
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>>4794843
Time to beat her face in
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>>4794843
Rin seethes cause we're better than her and Luvia seethes cause Rin is better than her
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>>4794863
Rin, that's your cousin, don't be rude.
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>>4794875
two Rins will hold her hands and third will punch her
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>>4794879
*Rin
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Eresh it is.
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I never thought we would accidentally start the Council of Rins
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Can she magic herself into her outfit, or do we have to go clothes shopping?
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>>4794930
She can probably magic herself a new outfit, but...
Which is more fun?

I also realized I'll have to make Servant Sheets for them both.
Later.
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>>4794936
You should wait until we give Eresh her concept, and maybe Church Rin too.
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>>4794936
Tiny Rin and pranking Archer when?
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>>4794943
Soon

>>4794930
We should do both, mostly cause I like her outfit and cause it lines up with clothes shopping
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Rin Tohsaka
RinKo(tomine)
RIN Tohsaka
EreshRINkigal
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I'm surprised none of you want to help Caren out with her condition.
Then again, you haven't actually met her yet.
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>>4794967
ERINshkigal.
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>>4794969
I never played HA.
What's her deal?
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>>4794969
It's on the list. But she usually doesn't arrive in Fuyuki until after the war, so I haven't really been worrying about it.

>>4794967
>>4794973
I like Rinko and Erin for Chruch Rin and Eresh, honestly.
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>>4794969
You can make Chruch Rin mention here to give us a reminder and motivation
>>4794973
Yeah, yours better
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>>4794976
Her body violently reacts when she's near demons and she's sickly like her mother

>>4794969
Why are all nuns in Nasuverse so slutty? also Probably gonna deal with this immediately after the war, same with Kiara and the Master of Pale Rider
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>>4794976
Exploding.
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>>4794987
I only remember someone saying she fucks Angra.
We planning on purging him of his hate too?
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>>4794987
>Why are all nuns in Nasuverse so slutty?
God wills it, take his clue
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>>4794997
That can't be healthy. We should fix it.
Won't she get mad over we killing her dad though?
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>>4794998
She does have sex with Angra Mainyu.
>Kotomine spends all that time and effort trying to incarnate Angra Mainyu
>When he actually manages to incarnate he fucks his daughter.
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>>4795026
It's fine, there's not a single timeline possible where Kirei Kotomine survives the Fifth Grail War.
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>>4795028
Angry manjew
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>>4794998
seems pretty easy to do considering Chiyome

>>4795021
Its starting to feel like both God and Alaya are treating us like a breeding bull

>>4795026
yeah you clearly don't know anything about her
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>>4795039
Our Gaia girls are very interested too
Only Outer Gods yet to make move
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>>4795039
I mean, I know he abandoned her.
I do feel bad for poor Claudia. She really deseved someone better.
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>>4795051
Kirei is probably thinking about murdering her in this image.
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>>4795051
he did genuinely try his best and he still feels something strong for her and puts her up on a pedestal
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>>4795055
Yeah. That's kinda the issue.
If only we'd been sent back farther to the past, we might have done something. Fixed both of them.
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>>4795048
well Nyarla gave us back Medea so...
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>>4795061
Summer Medea will have some tan
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>>4795055
What would happen if we went back in time and gave the concept of "Human Emotion" to Kirei prior to Zero?
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>>4795089
This image but with Shinji and Kirei.
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>>4794318
Alcides should have 3 Golden Apples in King's Order.

Atalante is occasionally summoned with 1-3
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>>4794372
https://youtu.be/5g6kus9rhRY
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>>4794441
Eresh's jannie is Neti, the gatekeeper. He's the one who lets Ishtar through the gates while forcing her to strip.
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>>4794505
QM shot that down when I suggested it.

Even though if it is Christianity based anything can be absolved/forgiven, technically - including the murder than she committed. Only suicide is unforgiveable because you're too dead to repent.
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You make your way towards Ereshkigal, who gets up from the prone position that Rin was previously in as she looks at you approaching her. "Good morning, Ereshkigal." You greet the goddess in Rin's body. "I believe I should properly introduce myself now that you've got a... well, a body. I am Shinji Makiri, Bearer of Truth, Slayer of Beasts and Dragon Rider." You smirk as you introduce yourself, honestly, you've basically just picked up a habit of making up new titles for yourself whenever you introduce yourself to somebody new. "You can... still hear Rin, right?" You're still concerned for the girl that is now within Ereshkigal's own mind.

"It's nice to meet you, Shinji Makiri, you already know who I am, but I shall introduce myself regardless for those yet unaware. I am Ereshkigal, the Queen of the Great Below. Though if I was being less specific, then I guess I'd say that I was the Goddess of the Underworld in my era." Ereshkigal suddenly stops for a moment, seemingly doing something, before she once again makes eye contact with you. "I can still hear her, of course, but she... wishes for me to leave her alone right now. She doesn't wish to speak, and has locked herself away in a deep corner of her own mind. I will... endeavor to aid her." Ereshkigal sounds kind of upset about the circumstances of her host body. It seems that already some of the influence of Rin may be rubbing off on the goddess, which is great!

"That's concerning, but... thank you for agreeing to try to help her. You're a good person, Eresh." You praise the goddess for being so caring towards the girl that willingly gave up control of her body to her. Rin wished for death, and you couldn't accept that. Ereshkigal might just be of help to Rin if she keeps trying to talk with her, to give her a... well a metaphorical shoulder to cry on.

"D-did I say that you could use a nickname for me?" A small blush appears on Ereshkigal's cheeks, and out of the corner of your eye you can see Rin covering her face with her hand in embarrassment at the actions of the goddess currently within her body. Or at least within the body of a doomed parallel version of herself. You'd have never expected Rin's ability to wield the Second True Magic would ever be able to advance to a level like this. The Kaleidosword really is amazing!

"Do you object to my usage of that name?" You ask, a wry smile forming on your face.

"N-no. B-but of course I'd agree to help the girl! She's... She's a soul under my authority now! There might not be an underworld in this age, but even so, she's a vulnerable soul that needs protecting!" Ereshkigal confidently declares her intent to protect her host while also changing the subject. Whatever, you're glad that she already seems to have made a decision to help Rin. Her plight and anguish must have moved the goddess when she was observing the room.
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"I see, it's good that you've decided to help her, thank you, Ereshkigal." Ereshkigal seems almost disappointed when you don't use the nickname again, but you want the conversation to take something of a more serious turn for what you want to talk with her about next.

>"Can I talk to you in private about something?" Bring up the idea of a new underworld with her.
>"Would you like me to grant you a concept?" (What concept)
>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>Headpat Ereshkigal.
>Write-in...
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>>4794519
If a voot wasn't called yet headpat Eresh
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>>4795179
Nice timing.
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>>4795176
Headpat her, ask if she'd like to be introduced to rin rin and sakura. Then private moment to talk about a new underworld.
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>>4795176
>"Can I talk to you in private about something?" Bring up the idea of a new underworld with her.
>"Would you like me to grant you a concept?" (Rejuvenation)
>Headpat Ereshkigal.
That's all right?
Also, we should maybe have her talk to Ilya later, she did save her life.
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>>4795176
>Headpat Ereshkigal.
>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>"Would you like me to grant you a concept?"
>Rejuvenation
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How do you feel about how things with Ishtar ended up?
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>>4795182
I sleep unlike QM
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>>4795176
>>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>"Can I talk to you in private about something?" Bring up the idea of a new underworld with her.
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>>4795191
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>>4795176
>headpat
>>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>I also have some things to discuss in private (underworld + concept to bolster underworld/herself/support the recovery of her host) - Rejuvenation

tfw no ROME
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>>4795191
i'm excited to bully her
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>>4795176
>>4795186
Changing to >>4795188
Might as well.
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>>4795192
You are weak.
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>>4795176
Support>>4795188
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>>4795176
>>4795188
Ill support this
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>>4795176
>Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"

I feel like leaving now would be kinda rude to others still present

>>4795191
So far so good. Rin is a good friend and now we have three more!
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>>4795200
After we finish with Rins and little Rin, can we go to our bedroom and stare at the wall for an hour?
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>>4795176
>>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>>Headpat Ereshkigal.
>>Write-in...
>>Headpat Ishtar
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>>4795213
>have Ishtar get control for a second
>slap/choke ishtar
>have her relinquish control as you stop, healing Church Rin with Truth headpat
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So is Eresh gonna start really liking Sakura due to Osmosis?
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For a base/source of the underworld, as Kur is physically just underground. Maybe we could have Eresh start utilising her Territory Creation in the Orochi's old cavern? It's probably quite mana dense too so it has plenty of fuel for her to charge up her cages with for later conflict. If she can charge up enough to fire off her NP she'll be able to overlay a Kur texture style effect in the cavern.

After Manaka is dealt with of course, rather not give her a new toy.

We might be able to link her into nip mythos underworld too with some help from Tamamo. She's already rendered everything around Fuyuki her territory. I imagine besides areas taken by other servants/problems.

One exception to trying to set up the underworld, or a smaller one pre Manaka is dealing with Morrigan. Eresh's supremely ancient Mystery/Authority should enable her Underworld to not be usurped by Morrigan as she is significantly older so we might be able to trick Morrigan into trying to engage us in Eresh's zone while she gets dabbed on by Kur's curses and the party is buffed with Blessings of Kur.

>>4795200
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>>4795216
YOU PUT THAT DEMON BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM OR SO HELP ME!
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>>4795216
she's 100% gonna be super protective of her
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>>4795176
>>Headpat Ereshkigal.
>>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>>"Can I talk to you in private about something?" Bring up the idea of a new underworld with her.
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>>4795218
>Maybe we could have Eresh start utilising her Territory Creation in the Orochi's old cavern?
We have Land of Shadows, gotta bring it with both Scathach and Eresh together since Rejuvenation and goddess of death around helps both of their interests
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>>4795225
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>>4795225
Hey, I TRIED looking for Sakura and Eresh images. They do not exist.
There are tons of Eresh and Kama though for some reason.
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>>4795228
what kind of death would Scathach even want? Cause if our plan goes as follows, it'd basically just be another dimension where we can pull people from
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>>4795232
>for some reason.
It's because they pair up Parvati and Ishtar for no reason either, so they just apply the same logic to the other Rinface and Sakuraface.
It makes no sense, of course, but that's life.
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>>4795228
The risk is that's got a Celtic texture/base so Morrigan could gain control there. It'll be a good option long term.

I want to leave that place alone indefinitely and make sure Scat doesn't open the Gate of Skye until Morrigan is removed from play.

Eresh could still use the mana from the caverns though.

Eresh's A+ territory creation works as such:

>Freely calls the Seven Gates of the Underworld. The place in which Ereshkigal stands becomes the Underworld in which death easily conducts itself.

Her NP is the real clincher though.

I imagine it would be quite expensive to cast as it practically kills her in Babylon when she uses it to seal Tiamat, so she's gonna need a fair bit of juice to use it safely.

>Kur Kigal Irkalla: The Bellows of Kur that Tramples upon Ekur

>An earth impact that crumbles Mt. Ebih through earthquakes and alterations to the very terrain. While its firepower falls short of Ishtar's venus buster, the true meaning of this Noble Phantasm lies in 'changing the field to the underworld'. Within the underworld where she boasts the highest authority, Ereshkigal and all those who fight alongside her are granted a powerful grace.
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>>4795233
To die in combat against Setanta or another great warrior
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Gonna call?

>Headpat Ereshkigal.
>"Would you like me to properly introduce you to... well, Rin, Rin and Sakura?"
>"Would you like me to grant you a concept?"
>Rejuvenation

Is winning.
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>>4795176
Calling in 10
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>>4795239
she's gonna have to wait we still need Shadow Locale Arms Mastery
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>>4795258
What's Dark Force doing behind that curtain there
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>>4795176
Support >>4795188 plus
>"Can I talk to you in private about something?" Bring up the idea of a new underworld with her.
Why aren't we talking to her about the underworld?
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>>4795263
That was the human form of Chaos in my Castlevania quest that the players all immediately simped to and decided to become the Dark Lord for.
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>>4795266
>Cute girl in chains
Really should have expected it
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>>4795266
>>4795258
She's cute. I'd join her.
What was your Quest called?
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>>4795266
I'll get around to reading that, one day.
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>>4795271
Here is archive
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=WhatIsAQM
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>>4795271
It was Castlevania: Elegy of Inheritance.
It has a good end point where I wanted to sort of hiatus it, but then my players wanted to keep playing and I felt guilty.
>>4795268
I probably should have.
They just saw the Anti-God and latched right on.
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>>4795238
Make sense
I am fine with supporting new underworld talks if so but Snake cave is fully gone now idk if we can build new one right away
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>>4795276
Did the physical cave in our world collapse? I know INS collapsed but if it's still around the cave itself should have a very weak barrier to INS and be 3km underground away from normies so it's a great base to start if it's still there.
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>>4795276
We can't build a new one right away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start preparing. Talking to Eresh is the first step, why wait?
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I mean, telling Eresh that we're giving her Rejuvenation should come hand in hand with telling her our plan with the Underworld. That's why we're giving her the concept in the first place , right?
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>>4795275
Were you going to continue it? or just Start again?

I admit reading through those first 5 threads were painful, but you evened it out in the end.
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>>4795287
I'm gonna start again with more planning and ideas of how to actually run a quest, I think. It ended up in a mess.
I might also implement some basic combat mechanics too.
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>>4795286
For many reasons, >>4792125, but essentially correct. I really don't understand why we're not talking to her about the underworld right now.
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>>4795293
I look forward to Isekai Shinji traveling to the Castlevania branch.
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>>4795176
>>4795188
adding unferworld talks as extra after concept
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>>4795212
If we go to the bedroom we'll get ambushed by Sakura and Medea. Or maybe Vritra since we haven't talked to her yet.
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>>4795304
yeah unless we pass out i don't think we're ever sleeping alone ever again. Also Sakura and Medea might flip a coin to see who goes in first
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>>4795304
Then we put up a Impenetrable barrier with Truth to stop everyone from knocking down the doors and walls to fuck us.
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>>4795309
I think Medea will just concede tonight to Sakura. She said she'd lose in a straight contest against our sisterwife, and we did almost bring Sakura to tears in front of her.
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If this Ishtar is true to the myth she kinda has a reason for being a bitch. Her husband cheated on her while she was in the underworld and her other marriages weren't good either. That's most of the reason Gil rejects her because he heard half the story of what happened. This is in actual myth, not sure how Nasuverse version goes.
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How about bo5 for sex performance for Shinji, Sakura and Medea each during the night?
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>>4795315
>"Alítheia, sweetheart, could you knock this wall down please?"
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>>4795324
she's a massive bitch in Nasuverse, which is saying a lot cause they always dindu nuffin a lot of servants, more notably Medea

>>4795325
he's a virgin, he's gonna suck
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>>4795328
>Counters with Candy Bribe
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>>4795328
unbreakable door, very breakable wall
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>>4792125
>>4795295
>by denying her nice things and giving her bad powers which prevented her from improving Underworld.
Hey, not all are that bad.
She can summon cute Deer at will! That's pretty neat.
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>>4795325
>>4795331
We still have yet to guess his size.
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>>4795328
"Honey if you ignore mommy I'll give you houses full of candy"
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>>4795339
small cause he's a nip
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>>4795339
Well canon Shinji gets a lot of girls. There has to be a reason and it isn't his personality.

As for the reason I don't want to talk to her about the underworld is we have way too many post war obligations. Wait until we finish most of them before adding more.
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>>4795315
It's been awhile since we had a dead end...
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>>4795348
Cause he's conventionally very handsome, rich and one of the most popular kids in school. He actually has a lot of things going for him, his shitty personality held him back
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>>4795348
Canon Shinji is loaded and charismatic. He'd have no trouble getting girls no matter what.

And the underworld is kinda important for giving a safety net to our friends without a dojo. Iit's not like talking to her about the underworld locks us into doing it right away. We have literally nothing to lose by talking to her right now other than some time.
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>>4795355
How can we improve on mastering Truth if we dont practice anon?
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>>4795362
I mean, we have a lot of people in our group.
We should start delegating some tasks. Eresh building her Underworld back, if all she needs is space and tons of mana to use her NP, would be a pretty good idea, even before fighting Manaka.
Who'd provide the mana though?
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>>4795373
We'd have sex with her
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>>4795373
>Who'd provide the mana though?
That's honestly our biggest problem, we want the servants to stick around, the Holy Grail this time around seems to be much more powerful but its still finite so it likely won't last forever, we gotta get the Casters and Suzuka to big brain it until they figure out how to make an efficient power source
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>>4795373
Yeah, exactly. We're keeping our cards close to the chest and leaving people idle for literally no reason.

As for mana, Eresh should have a divine core, Rin can steal infinite mana, and Sakura has seven grails worth. Not to mention Illya's new abilities. We can manage.
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>>4795379
Incarnated Servants don't require a constant source of mana to exist. And I'm sure we can incarnate everyone after we secure Manaka's Grail.
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>>4795324
Dumuzid is based, ishtar is unbased
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That was a "fun" character sheet to create.NOW TO WRITE THE ACTUAL UPDATE
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>>4795408
Just ask if I'm around and you can throw in your additions. If you just want copy/paste of canon it'll save you time to actually write
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>>4795408
So she accepted and already got the concept.
Neat.
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>>4795411
Yes, I kind of want to move on from Rinfest.
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>>4795324
Also ishtar went down to the underworld in full Authority regalia, ready to conquer it. Eresh outwitted her and dabbed on her.
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>>4795413
Thank you
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based skipchad
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>>4795324
Yeah he rejects her and then she murders his best friend.
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>>4795420
But first she has Gugalanna rampage and cause mass human deaths for 7 years before Gil and Clae subdue it. THEN she has Clae killed

shitar apologists baka
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>>4795413
i still want to bamboozle Archer and talk to Rin Prime and see if she's having an existential crisis
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>>4795413
We're not moving on until we prank Archer.
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>>4795413
Good idea.
We have to get castrated by Tamamo now.
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>>4795413
But we haven't talked with smol Rin yet!
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>>4795428
>existential crisis
Why?
She is RIN PRIME, she is SUPREME AMONG RIN.
THE SOLE WIELDER OF THE KALEIDOSWORD.
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>>4795432
He wants to skip to that part to get it over faster
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>>4795432
The girls can talk to her and keep her company, we can have more dialogue with her in the afternoon when we take them out for whatever the planned outing was. More natural, more in line with the pre-existing plans
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>>4795435
well yeah but it doesn't hurt to show that we care about how she's feeling...
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>>4795435
Well, I guess we now know when exactly she decided all other Rins are expendable.

>>4795440
I think we'll need our Rin with us for that talk with smol Rin, and possibly Sakura too. Better that we don't keep her wondering about wtf is going on or wtf is going to happen to her.
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>>4795444
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>>4795428
I want to see EMIYA and shirou's reaction to loli rin.
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>>4795362
It's not happening anytime soon so bringing it up right now when it isn't relevant makes no sense. Save getting her hopes up and adding something we feel obligated to do to the fire. Just like Illya and the maid thing.

>>4795444
Should also talk to Rin Prime and see if she's ok. She just saw two broken versions of herself. No way she just took that on the chin.
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>>4795446
I don't really care, honestly. We'll have that discussion with her by the end of the day anyway.
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>>4795431
No, we have to get Kerry his body so we can beat him up.
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We should talk to Arc at some point. We benched her after one fuck up and she was angry at Orochi but never worked that out. Should also make sure she got her power back.

Should also talk to Nero considering the meme votes fucked that up. Who's her master by the way?
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Also don't forget to warn church Rin about Arc and Satsuki. Don't want her to start a fight.

Ciel needs to be told to be nicer to Satsuki as well.
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>>4795465
Should be mentioned when we give Rins the quick rundown.
>rothschilds bow to the Manakas
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>>4795465
Well Ciel hasn't tried to attack or murder Arc and Sacchin yet so she has some self restraint
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Kuesuto ga shinda!
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>>4795564
It turns out that not sleeping may have started to take effect on my body and my ability to write with any sort of speed.
But I will endeavor.
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>>4795486
Yes but she is making Satsuki uncomfortable. I don't think Shinji has explained Satsuki to her making her go off of bias. Better no let this build and correct it at the earliest convenience.
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>>4795574
Have you considered going to sleep? Just a thought.
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>>4795577
Sleep is for losers.
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>>4795574
Burn out isn't good for you qm.
Try to sleep more than 5 hours.
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QM needs a Sakura who will force him to take a relaxing day off.
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>>4795574

>>4795200
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>>4795635
Those eyes are spooking me out man.
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>>4795658
Is it close? I might just go to sleep. It's 2 am here.
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>>4795664
I'm trying!
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>>4795658
Can we pet the cade yet?
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>>4795674
You spent too much time farming Rin Craft Essences so now the Argonauts event is over.
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>>4795682
Profound sadness
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I shouldn't have mentioned Eresh. Didn't even get to ROME her
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>>4795682
Manaka? Or your fucking with us?
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Jason has taken the crew to go and fight Somalian Pirates.
Sorry.
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>>4795686
There's always tomorrow.

>>4795687
You'll be happy you did when we build that Underworld deathless arena.

>>4795691
It's a joke anon.
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>>4795687
You fell for my trap to get my waifu in the quest.
Thanks for it though. I'm sure we'll find someone else to fill with Rome.
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>>4795693
So you got rid of them she to character bloat because it doesn't make sense for him to leave knowing the stacks.
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>>4795693
At least he's not killing people.
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>>4795693
Can't blame him, it's not safe for him to be around a guy who simps Medea that much.
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>>4795695
Text doesn't really convey jokes. You scared me shitless.
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>>4795704
>You
I'm not WhatIs, anon
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>>4795704
It wasn't a joke, the Somalian Pirates have managed to capture all the Argonauts and you're going to have to wire them 50 million dollars so they let them go.
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>>4795707
Best Caster is too based to show up in this quest.
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>>4795700
Why? Medea and Shinji apparently hate him and Argo is his chance for independence. What's the point to try and save the world when you'll just get skewered by your insane ex-wife as a reward?
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>>4795713
That's two and a half jewellery stores, Rin will be pissed she missed out
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>>4795713
Are the pirates lead by a prince? I refuse to send them money if they aren't. I'd even accept it if he's not Nigerian.
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>>4795716
Shinji literally only punched the shit out of him because he insulted Medea, Jason understands where he went wrong with him. Also he did help defeat Ishtar so we should convince Medea to leave him alone
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>>4795722
The pirates are led by the Pope.
He's making a pre-emptive strike.
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>>4795724
Is that how Jason sees it?
>should convince Medea to leave him alone
Yes, we should, but anons didn't.
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>>4795738
Don't be alarmed, but you may have began hallucinating from sleep deprivation.
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>>4795742
well he literally said as much right after he punched him so yes he sees that, he was also being amicable before Jason brought up Medea
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>>4795746
I'm fine, just me and my sleep paralysis demon, chatting the breeze, giving me update ideas.
Dying.
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In this FGO event Medea and Jason meet, he spends like 2 minutes bitching about how much he hates her, and how he'd rather have Medea Lily instead, she gets pissed and murders him.
Then she screams this is the happiest day of her life, and dies laughing.
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>>4795748
Go to sleep
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>>4795747
And those glances from Medea?
He knows he fucked up, and? Does that make him want to be around us?
I'm sure he's thrilled to work for us in that kind of environment.
Not every character wants to follow you around like a puppy dog. Especially if you treat him like shit.
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Maybe he fell asleep finally.
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>>4795782
Hope not, he owes us an update
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I'm not about to job to sleep.
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You decide to pat Ereshkigal on the head without any warning the moment you get within touching distance of the girl, and she suddenly freezes for a moment before a faint blush appears on her cheeks again. There's already some of Rin's influence occurring to Ereshkigal, even if Rin is currently merely only an observer, simply being within her body seems to have managed to somewhat change Ereshkigal to be... far less brutal in nature. Even without having to take Rin's soul and personality, it looks as if Ereshkigal has become a far nicer person already. You're glad that this all seems to have worked out... or at least started to work out. In fact, it might even be the case that Ereshkigal manages to retain some of Rin's personality traits upon eventually leaving her body... You aren't planning on just leaving Ereshkigal and Rin fused together forever, in fact, as soon as Rin comes to her senses and asks for such a thing, you'll happily have the goddess and the girl be seperated once again. Because the two are more like two souls in a single body that are bound together rather than actually allowing the soul of the goddess to absorb the soul of the girl like Chaldea does, separation should be quite simple. You're sure in part this is thanks to the intentions of the goddesses upon entering the hosts, and in part thanks to the efforts of Morgan, who seems to be quite the expert when it comes to the manipulation of souls. Of course, she did create a blade that could separate the soul and mind from a body with just a slash, so...

"H-hey! D-don't get all touchy-feely with me, Mortal! I'm... I'm a goddess, you know!?" Ereshkigal takes a step back from you to escape from your reach, but then slowly takes a step forwards again, almost as if she's hoping that you'll pat her on the head again or something.

"That's not really impressive to me." You smile at Ereshkigal. "Goddesses, Gods, Outer Gods, The One True God... I've met quite a few different Gods in my time. In fact, just yesterday I killed a God of Destruction." You recall killing Zolgen and it puts something of a smile on your face. That man, even when you thought he was a non-threat who you had cornered utterly, he still managed to prove himself a threat to everything you cared about. In a way, you have a begrudging respect for Zolgen Makiri for his refusal to just die off. Of course, that respect is buried under around ten thousand layers of unforgiving hatred, but...
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"Oh... You're... You're really being serious, aren't you?" Ereshkigal sounds a little bit shocked by your casual decision to downplay divinity in front of her. Though honestly, you aren't really impressed much by Gods anymore. After meeting Nyarlathotep and God, Earthly Divine Spirits just... aren't really all that impressive to you. Relics of a bygone age that have been brought to the modern era. Though of course, some of them may not be relics for much longer, you don't know what sort of world you will end up creating, but... you're certain that you want an Underworld to be re-established, or at least some form of Afterlife.

"It's a long story, but putting it short... basically, my grandfather summoned a God into his own body, managed to steal half of the power of a Planet Class Spirit, transform into a Beast, took back control of his body, and then tried to use a ginormous Photonic Crystal Supercomputer to summon hundreds of Gods at once to amalgamate into some primordial form for the sake of absorbing into said Photonic Crystal in order to go back to the origin point of reality to cull every timeline except one in which he would be a supreme God."

"I... I see..." Even for a goddess, your explanation is a damn lot to take in, and Ereshkigal seems to take a minute to parse the information that has been given to her. She's smart, she'll quickly realize just what sort of a person you truly are. Then again she probably realized at least some of that from just how casually you ended up dealing with Ishtar's possession of Illyasviel. For most people, something like a possession by a Divine Spirit would be something that they could only kneel down in reverence to and write the host body's soul off as a lost cause, nothing more than another part of the deity that took control of them. Of course, you aren't most people, and the gods themselves will be erased before you let them get in the way of your happiness and the happiness of the people that you care for.
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"Now, let me introduce you properly to Rin, Rin, and Sakura." You smile at Ereshkigal. "That there is the Rin from this timeline, and the one who summoned your host body. For the sake of argument, let's just say that you can call her 'Rin Prime' because of the structure of this 'branch' of the tree of time." You call it a branch, but it's more like a trunk that continues onward forever, from what you know about this timeline. A world of singular choice, where for every choice made, there is no divergent world where the opposite choice is made. But now isn't the time to muse on that. "That over there is... Rin Kotomine, she's a lot like the other Rin except not at all." You don't really want to introduce Rin Kotomine any further, considering she already spilled quite a bit of her life story and Ereshkigal almost certainly heard it all. "Finally, we have my darling sister, Sakura. She's the host of Tiamat, which you may have already gathered." You pat Sakura on the head as you introduce her, and she clearly enjoys it. "I'd let you mingle with everyone, but... I want to ask you something first."

"What... What's that?" Ereshkigal doesn't seem to know where the conversation is heading, and has apprehension in her voice.

"A... unique ability of mine that I can offer you. It's something that I don't believe is shared by any other being in all of existence." Well, you might be tooting your own horn here, but the only other person you can see being capable of concept manipulation is potentially Alítheia, nothing else has shown the potential to wield Truth other than the life born from it. "It's the ability to imbue a concept to anybody. I guess for you... it would be something like a form of authority granting?" Well, that's not quite true. The level of power may be similar, but abilities derived from conceptual additions aren't authorities at all, they are drawn directly from Truth... Somehow. You don't quite understand the limits of your abilities yet, but with this level of power available to you, and the amount of strength you can draw out of those around you... you can understand why you might be a target to those with great power.

"Then... you're saying that you'd grant me something like that?" Ereshkigal looks at you before laughing briefly. "To think that I'd end up meeting somebody so ridiculous. Who would just give up something on the level of an authority without a second thought... I see no reason to distrust you however, though... I'll leave just what sort of 'authority' you grant me up to you." Ereshkigal doesn't offer any ideas, but that's OK. You already had one in mind.

"Well then, allow me." You place your hand back on the top of her head, and she blushes slightly once more as you start to run your magical energy through her body. Ten seconds is all it takes to enter the conceptual world belonging to Ereshkigal. A world of death, barren of all life. Bones scatter the floor and cages hang from the ceiling.
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There's no doubt about it, the conceptual world belonging to Ereshkigal is nothing other than the Underworld itself, though now all you need to do is find the conceptual core of Ereshkigal, you look around for a while until you spot something yellow out of the corner of your eye. You quickly focus on that speck of color in the gloomy world of death, and you can see a single wilting yellow flower. Struggling to make a difference in this world of death, yet trying to make it a brighter place none the less. You crouch down to hold the flower in a hand. There's nothing else that Ereshkigal's conceptual core could possibly be here. So with that in mind you begin to infuse the flower with a new concept. 'Rejuvenation'.

As soon as the concept is fully imbued into the flower, it suddenly massively multiplies, and the ground of the underworld is totally covered in flowers. You smile slightly as the world around you is granted a true splash of color, and the world fades back out until you find yourself staring at Ereshkigal once again, the blush on her face has only deepened in intensity.

[Status Updated!]

Unexpectedly, Ereshkigal starts to... lean towards you? Her eyes are closed and... Is she... She's not really about to kiss you, is she?! Did the concept really have that great an effect on her?!

>Pull back.
>Pretend not to notice and let it happen.
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
>Hug her instead.
>Write-in...
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>>4795795
Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
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>>4795795
>>Write-in...
Lean in to the potential kiss, but then "accidentally" bonk foreheads with her like some kind of anime.
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>>4795797
No
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>>4795795
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
Is everyone looking at us? Or did we pull her aside?
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>>4795803
Who cares? We're a man whore trying to get laid
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You're really going to need to stop granting the one true desire of girls that are quick to fall in love.
99/100.
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>>4795805
Harem end or bust
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>>4795805
nah
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>Rejuvenation of the Soul: EX
>An ability granted to Ereshkigal through the concept of 'Rejuvenation'. With this ability, Ereshkigal is capable of rejuvenating and restoring life from just a soul. In some ways, this ability can be called a Restricted Usage of the Third True Magic, as a perfect recreation of the body is possible from merely a soul. Because of this, unless the soul of her and her host are destroyed along with her body, Ereshkigal will be quite unkillable. Thanks to this ability, so long as there is a soul, Ereshkigal can resurrect anybody she wishes. But as a Goddess of the Underworld, she has an aversion to bringing people back to life, believing it to be against her duties as a Keeper of the Dead. Can also be used to restore and heal damaged souls as well as the body through the blueprint of the soul.

>Protection of the Rejuvenated Underworld: EX
>A skill representing Ereshkigal's authority over the Underworld and all life that exists within, however, the true effect of this skill cannot be be shown without a true Underworld to wield it within. If such a condition were to be fulfilled however, Ereshkigal would be in control of an Underworld in which life springs eternal. A land of death, yet conversely of life as well. Thanks to this skill, an Underworld as controlled by Ereshkigal would be more like a second life for those within. Because the place in which Ereshkigal stands is considered the Underworld, she can show a fraction of that power even outside the Underworld.

Oh look, we just gave her everything she was denied in life. Yaaaay.
At least we no longer have to worry about dying. She'll take care of us.

Also, does this mean we have a way of saving Irisviel now?
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>>4795795
>Write-in
>Slow time for everyone except for you and Sakura
>Look towards Sakura for her approval to receive the kiss.
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>>4795812
I don't recall you getting the ability to slow time.
Only Shirou can do that through the power of first person narration.
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>>4795795
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
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>>4795795
>Hug her instead.

Barely know her and we aren't in a death situation. Take her out for a date before we do this especially one with Rin's face in front of Rin.
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Local Saver unable to stop Saving.
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>>4795795
>>Pretend not to notice and let it happen.
I know Medea and Sakura kinda gave us the ok but plausible deniability in case someone around us gets mad. Don't know how Rin would take it if we just kissed her alternate self either, could be funny
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>>4795816
The power of truth should be able to control time.
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>>4795828
Yeah, shame you never looked into more esoteric abilities during your training.
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>A Rin in her most miserable state is now sharing a body with an Ereshkigal in the happiest moment of her life.
What a day.
Also, Eresh right now:
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>>4795825
We just met her an HR ago man. Too soon at least learn about the girl first. Is Shinji's lips so cheap. Even Vitra the horny dragon didn't take a full kiss.

Wonder if fox wife or Sakura will put Shinji on a nice boat?
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>>4795832
Yes. We give all the kisses
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>>4795831
Speaking of this if depressed Rin is watching then her depression must be really high if she isn't screaming at kissing Shinji.
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>>4795832
>Is Shinji's lips so cheap
he's a manwhore and she's a goddess, wouldn't exactly call him cheap or easy but wouldn't exactly be the type to say no if someone tries something

>>4795831
maybe it will bleed into her
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>>4795830
Looks like I know what we are doing tomorrow.
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>>4795795
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
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ah now
now i need to sleep
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>>4795837
Training for weeks?
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>>4795840
Getting fucking laid. Time to xxx this bitch
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>>4795840
If we're getting laid tonight can we roll for who we're going to sleep with?
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>>4795843
Sakura and Medea first for sure.
Will they finally reach 100/100?
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Rin must be thinking the more things change the more things stay the same.

Kissing her right after dealing with depressed Rin is going to look so skeevy. This gonna look like we did all of this for some ass.

We need Railgun back she's the only one that can stop this. Manka messed up when she took her.
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>>4795847
I vote for sakurautist. He needs to lose his v card
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>>4795795
>>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
I fear Monica’s hair will quickly grey after she’s freed and finds out about the love mess Shinji’s is in
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>>4795847
Take a guess.
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>>4795850
We need to fuck everyone but they can be first
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>Hug, lean and and whisper
>Any gratitude you wish to show me, direct in efforts towards creating a Kur a new in this day and age, so that the dead are not lost to the void of the Root anymore. The gift I gave you was for this purpose, although the nature of it was due in part to what you desired in your original life.
>Headpat again as you break off the hug

Coomers are based but I don't want to clean up after them. No privacy here.
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>>4795851
Actually, I don't think she's aware right now. Eresh said she locked herself inside for now.
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>>4795857
No
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>>4795847
Sakura first. Then Medea
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>>4795851
>Rin must be thinking the more things change the more things stay the same.
Which Rin?
The one who only knows this version of yourself?
The Rin currently trying to detach herself from Reality?
Or the Church Rin who knew a massively different version of you too?

>This gonna look like we did all of this for some ass.
At least some of you did.
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>>4795795
>>4795857
Supporting

>>4795859
Yes
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>>4795866
Never support the nigger
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>>4795847
Sakura’s gonna break Shinji by the time she’s done with him tonight
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>>4795795
>Write-in
> Kiss her on the cheek.

I've come to Bargain!!

Let's compromise coomers. Just continue the kids fake out joke.
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>>4795870
wouldn't pretending not to notice be the compromise?
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>>4795873
No ons stupid enough to believe Shinji didn't notice. Especially with Touko in the room.
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>>4795795
>>4795857
Support
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>>4795795
Change from:>>4795870
To:
>>4795857

Overly altruistic for my taste but if this is the most popular alternative then I'll have to go for it.
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So you're not going to empower Ishtar with a concept, right?
Just let her cope and seethe at Eresh's new power?
Oh god I need to sleep.
I think I can feel my soul trying to leave my body.
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>>4795888
maybe when she stops being a massive cunt, which could be in like a day or two depending on Catholic Rin's influence
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>>4795888
Weakling
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>>4795888
Maybe ask church!Rin if she would like a similar boon, suggesting Chastity, Purity, Virginity or Redit

Anal doesn't count.

Go to bed
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>>4795894
Because you won't stop bringing it up, and it was founded in 2005, Makiri Enterprises just invented Reddit.
And it's all your fault.
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>>4795894
>Anal doesn't count.
explains a lot now
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>>4795898
Based, we can log every single user and Maze them
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So do you like her upgrade?
Also post Eresh.
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>>4795898
No. When Moot starts 4chan, we pay him for keeping it up. As moot never got anything off of 4chan and was poor.
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>>4795888
duh
Spoiled bitch gets nothing under our watch.
The new maidRin gets the rewards, but I GUESS that Ishtar can have a cookie now and then. A small sugar cookie.
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>>4795905
Go to bed
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We should probably talk to Morgan maire to get a feel of her. Shinji's thoughts got me paranoid. For all we know she put in fail safes into two gods just now and no one would know.
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>>4795905
this is the fifth time you posted after you were supposed to go to sleep
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I've been doing that all thread man.
Only happy ones now though.
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>>4795916
She's really tricky, as if we do something to suspect her and she's innocent, she is now justified in retaliation or she might spiral and just assume she's always going to be a "villain" and can't change her nature.

If she isn't innocent and we do nothing she might be scheming in the background.

Coinflip I guess
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>>4795919
Eresh is cute and precious, glad we brought her in
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>>4795922
My leg went numb just looking at this
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>>4795922
She's the best.
Now with flowers and deer, she can make the Underworld look like a Garden.
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>>4795920
That's why I say we spend time with her. See if we can connect with her and make it harder for her to betray due to emotional attachment. This doesn't mean seduction.
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>>4795932
Coomers will make it seduction, but I agree. I've shilled for Morgan wrangling in the past as I just can't trust her, and neither does Shinji IC.
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>>4795932
>This doesn't mean seduction.
it'll go that route and we both know that
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>>4795935
we should do work stuff tomorrow, contact Waver, come up with a gameplan, wrangle Morgan, train with Scathach, blood transfusion with Alitheia, then go off and commence the final battle
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>>4795946
Before going up against Manaka I do want to chat with Assclap, have him make us a dose of Resurrection Fraught Hades (forma de scuffed) so we have at least one Auto-Life cast on Shinji or an ally in case a death is unavoidable or we get blindsided.

Remember JETS is as fast as Richard who could outpace GoB spam and can easily pick up and use those weapons, he might speedmog us or someone eventually.
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>>4795948
Richard has a skill that makes him faster the longer a fight goes on
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>>4795951
I know, but JETS is at Richard's near final speed at base. He's A++ before Arondight is drawn which gives him a further full rank up.

If JETS ever isn't ambushed and mogged by a loli he's going to speedblitz someone to death before we can blink
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>>4795922
whats the artist of this pic?
>>4795905
ok
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>>4795959
image search works anon
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>>4795961
iqdb is back
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>>4795905
is QM also an Ereshbro too?
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>>4795964
He likes neglected girls and vore
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>>4792122
>>4792125
It fucking worked
>>4795795
>Hug
>Pat on the back
>Whisper about new underworld idea
>Break hug
>Headpat
>Joke about how kissing after first inner world meeting is too scandalous for modern age
>Ask Eresh if she see Truth now
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>>4795795

Support >>4795857

>>4795905
Yes. She’s really sweet and deserves it.
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By the way telling diligent possessive girl who love helping human souls that you granted true desire of her heart you always knew about because you wanted to do so and you want to give her "A perfect world of her own creation" too is going to charm her way more than some humanhost kissing
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>>4796005
I know

The problem is people watching.

When is Shinji going to add Melusine to the harem? She's another snek

Maybe some Nagas?
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And Shinji also be doing this after the fact that he was the only person to know that Eresh was summoned too with even Ishtar, Illya and Chiyome having no idea about it
>Having carried out her duties of administrating the underworld since birth, she is a goddess that disappeared along with the Age of Gods without ever knowing of the world above, or of freedom.
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>>4796009
We've got a big list of dragon-aspect girls to go through anon, can't just skip the ones we have in FGO proper.

Not to mention, when Tiamat says "it's time for a family" she probably means "give me two dozen offspring."

our dick is gonna need hercule's revivals.
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>>4796015
It was Fate
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>>4796019
With option to Stay the Night of her Soul
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>>4796016
>Alitheia, Papa needs you to give me a blood transfusion alright? Or I'll die of dehydration
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>>4796009
I don't see what the problem is of just pretending we didn't notice, Eresh would be the one instigating and we'd be in the clear
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>>4795795
>>4795857
Support.
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>>4795825
>>4795795
switching to
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
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>>4795857
>>4795795
Support
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>>4796050
>>4796055
You aren't samefagging are you?
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>>4796030
It's bad for her host to jump right in immediately and have her body kiss the person who in her world she hated as the rapist of her sister.

In time, sure.
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>>4796058
>>4796058
yeah, I think anons just kinda forgot that shinji in other timelines is a rapist, incest shitlord
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>>4796057
Two one post ids, activates the almonds
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>>4796057
Say what you will but I blame living in a forest and bad timing for this situation. That said, I will be here for the next vote.
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>>4796061
He's MUCH more incestous in this timeline tbf

>>4796058
alright, fair, that's a good point
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>>4795795
>>4795857
Support
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>>4796097
we're missing that rapist and shitlord part
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What the fuck did I do to 4chanx (you)s don't show or alert me anymore
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>>4796024
And anons are already itching to see how her Heaven Feels.

>>4796108
You know what you did to anger it.
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>>4796099
and it was balanced out by being extremely incestous
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>>4796114
Great minmaxing
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>>4796113
I was holding ctrl to search for something and probably hit the wrong key. Reset settings and lost all my (you)s, but that one there appeared so should be good from here on in
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Just realised with Liberation Clae is even more like the Immortal amorphous being in Fumetsu no Anata.

He just doesn't wet himself
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>>4795795
>>4795857
Supporting
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>>4796193
anon I'm not sure you're in the right thread for that
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>>4796113
>"So as I pray, Unlimited Rin Works."
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>>4796222
Will one of them take up smoking?
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>>4796225
Church Rin or Rin Matou
As a cop-out method
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>>4795857
>>4795795
Say no to coomers.
Support.
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>>4795898
Doomed timeline, time to start again.
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>>4796236
It's just a Maze contestant honeypot anon please understand.
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Post more Eresh.
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>>4796243
Done.
Now post more updates.
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>>4796243
~6 hours

Let's see if you can write after that
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>>4796246
Soon. I must do something first.
Sleep serves no biological purpose.
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>>4796243
The sleeper has awakened!
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>>4796243
Can she go beyond 99/100 after we tell her about gifting her whole world?
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>Fuck over Ishtar
>Seperate her from Ishtar
>Give her full control over a host body that tempers her emotions as a goddess
>Headpat her
>Reveal that you've done some outrageous bullshit in the past and that you aren't at all scared of her
>Headpat her again only this time grant her greatest wish when you do.
The 99/100 was rigged from the start
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I'm also surprised that none of you seem to have realized what Eresh is capable of doing now.
Other than just making a super nice underworld.
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>>4796260
You mean Servant Incarnation?
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Wow, the whole thread is Rin
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>>4796257
She made Assclap redundant don't remind me.

Doesn't make him any less based.
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>>4796263
Welcome to Rinfest.
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>>4796260
Can she quickly make Kerry not scuffed?

Fuck crest repair just make a new one.
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>>4796265
Certainly won't be the first time he gets fucked over by the Underworld.
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>>4796263
Always has been.
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>>4796269
Give her snake now
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>>4796260
Can she fix Iri if we pull her out of the Grail?
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>>4796269
>>4796272
Bring back Barbatos so Medea can make him into a Mystic Code
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>>4796267
Maybe.
>>4796274
Maybe

So, if you can suppress their existences as Servants, Pseudo-Servants and Goddesses, which of your Servant allies do you want to take to the Clocktower with you?
Also are you going to at least try to patch things up with the Church? Rin Kotomine would be sad if you didn't.
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>>4796276
The church is a shadow of what Peter set up. Fuck em, she'll learn that they're heretics soon enough.
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>>4796275
Snek already ate Barbatos when it tried to incarnate into her new body with her.
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>can heal damaged soul
So, she can reverse soul rot?
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>>4796278
Vorechads I kneel.

Barbatos can't catch a break.

https://vocaroo.com/1hcRjyj0cJ10

killed the poor thing maybe 600ish times so far in case files OOOUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>4796278
Did Arc get her leg back?
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>>4796276
It's not so much which people we want to take, but which ones will demand to come along.
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>>4796274
>Give Illya her brother, her father and her mother back
999/100 incoming.
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>>4796276
>which of your Servant allies do you want to take to the Clocktower with you?
Shirou, Rin and Sakura. Medea, Shuten and Vritra.
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>>4795795
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead.
Chu~
>>4796279
Based immortality machine Eresh.
You're going into her underworld forever.
There is no escape.
No recall or intervention can reach this place.
I'm a goddess!
How could you kill a goddess!
What a grand and intoxicating innocence!
How could you be so naive?
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>>4796278
Can Eresh make a cage Phylactery and store a small shard of everyone's soul to enable a revival if they're ever killed?
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>>4796291
>>4796274
>Eresh saves her from being assimilated by Ishtar
>Restores her father's body
>Brings her mother back
Eresh about to become Ilya's best friend.
Shame about the God Drain though. Maybe she can turn it off.
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>>4796295
Can't Betty do that too?
Just recreate the whole person.
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>>4796302
That's super expensive, day long coma for just Abby. Also we know it's a fake, people hated the idea when I proposed it to hypothetically recreate HOPEMAN's mistress if we summoned him
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>>4796291
Don't forget we gave her self back too.
Fucking Ishtar.
>>4796292
>Shuten, Vritra
In case you need to feed some unconvertable magi to them?
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>>4796277
This. Church is going againts God's Saver
They are corrupted and must be purged
>>4796278
Such a good girl
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>>4796276
Are they going to recognize Paracelsus? I guess we have enough means to slap disguises on anyone though.

I guess the question is what are we going to be doing in parallel since we've grown our faction to point where delegating should be viable way to get things done while easing off concentration of character interactions to keep track of.

>Also are you going to at least try to patch things up with the Church? Rin Kotomine would be sad if you didn't.
Sure, if at all possible. After all, if its goal is to safeguard humanity, we've shared interest. Although we may have to reconcile some of the methods they seem to be resorting to.
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I think Eresh going for us might normalize the idea for Rin Prime.
Double Rin get.
Maybe triple.
And a daughter.
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>>4796295
>Shinji Saves and makes incremental backups
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How are living arrangements gonna work? Is everyone living here now?
What about after the war? Is church Rin staying with Ilya? Eresh staying with us? Along with all the women throwing themselves at Shinji?
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>>4796307
Unify Japan.
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>>4796311
Need bigger castle
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>>4796304
>In case you need to feed some unconvertable magi to them?
More like to avoid them eating humans when we aren't around them.
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>>4796317
Well you forgot Sacchin.
Who will probably go nutso without her blood heroin.
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>>4796318
Oh yeah, well we will have to take her too.
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>>4796317
We haven't even told Vritra that eating people is bad yet.
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>>4796317
You think they'd be okay if we bring them to the Clock Tower as maids?
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>>4796321
Is it bad though?
They are just normies.
They should be happy that such a qt dragon decided to eat them.
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>>4796324
Let's not even bother to disguise their inhuman traits and only hide their magical presence.
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>>4796325
But Shirou would be sad.
At least tell her to only eat murderers and such. Like Magi.
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>>4796327
In our world there is only one prison sentence.
A short stay in Vritra/Shuten/Gorgon/Ourobora/Sakura's stomach.
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I hope Illya can turn her god voring abilities off.
I want her to hug Eresh and be her best friend.
The founding families have never been closer or more powerful.
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>>4796331
Eresh saved her life, and I'm hoping she can save Irisviel too, if her Rejuvenation buff works.
I hope next update or later the two can talk to each other. Ilya got some of Eresh's power too after all.
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>>4796331
>The founding families have never been closer or more powerful.
Nagato should have been female and part of Zolgen's harem
Here fixed all bad Grail War shit
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>>4796334
I wonder if Eresh will want to be around Illya too.
She's like a little sister now I imagine.
Our new Pantheon for the Age of Truth is looking fun right now.
Who's the head of the Pantheon?
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>>4796339
Tiamat
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>>4796340
She must love Sakura and us so much right now.
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Are there votes competing still or did something win?
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>>4796341
We can always check on her
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>>4796343
Only when we want the Tiamat+Sakura threesome H-scene.
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>>4796342
Looks like we are hugging Eresh and telling her we knew her deepest heart desires and want to gift her her own world and every mortal souls
Wonder how that would go
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>>4796346
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>>4796346
Now I feel bad we're planning to become immortal.
We're probably her favorite person ever.
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>>4796346
99.9999999/100
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>>4796347
Nigger, will Caenis appreciate Poseidon's core being vored out of her?
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>>4796348
We can literally walk in the land of Shadows.
We can just go visit her in the Underworld if she insists on staying there.
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>>4796348
You can just walk in and out of Kur if you are capable. You dont need to be dead.
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>>4796351
>>4796352
>Goddess of Underworld shirks duties to sneak out of Kur and meet her Husbando for the twentieth time this month.
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>>4796350
If we could scrub all traces of Poseidon from her Spirit Origin that would be something she'd want. But it would weaken her or make her fundamentally different. A lot of her feats with oceansimp's gear, but she hates him and wishes she was never raped by him.

Probably be less tomboy-ish and regain her original feminine attitude. I'd have to say it would be a depowering but something she'd actually want. We don't need to just buff people no, we have a good selection and she doesn't bring any special niche to the table combat wise.

>At bond level five, it appears that there is a hidden frail side that is still in pain from her past trauma with Poseidon, and likely the closest thing to her original feminine character.

I'd imagine her Saint Graph would become much more bird-like, as she turned into a golden bird on death which is one of her NPs and the only one that's true to herself.

Maybe she'd end up like a Valkyrie or something aesthetically? Bird-like traits, golden wings, still has her martial prowess but doesn't unga bunga using seaman's boons anymore.
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>>4796356
Scrub and then concept her with something?
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>>4796358
Profanity? fuck gods ok

Or Emancipation, seeing as no one wanted it for Billy
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>>4796358
Virginity maybe?
Purity?
Unspoilt?
Oooh
Maybe Untouched.
Give her Ultra Instinct.
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>>4796360
>I am free! Neither the sea nor the land can tie me down! Just watch! "Soar, My Great Golden Wings - Lapitai Caeneus"!!!

Her NP chant ties really well with Emancipation too. Bird/flight with a concept of being freed synergises well. That NP is also he only thing truly hers and not tainted by poseidon
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>>4796363
Yes but
Ultra Instinct Caenis.
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>>4796364
She'll be pretty hayaii, she's already A agility before she goes full birb
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>>4796346
Sad that its not the kiss, but too many people around, was it or ?
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>>4796365
Mastered Ultra Instinct Caenis vs Ultra Light Speed Mode Achilles.
A legendary fight.
Achilles jobs and loses though.
Let's give him the concept of Speedforce.
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>Phew~...alcohol from the modern age's pretty decent. So, what were we talking about? Aah, about me being a Divine Spirit. That's simple. I've received a shitty blessing from that shithead sea bastard, Sea God Poseidon. The power of a god. Moreover, that guy gave me a part of himself too. His trident. The Sea God's three-pronged spear that's akin to Poseidon's symbol. Possessing that, while it annoys the hell out of me, makes me a real god of the sea. Hahaha, that's how it is!

>Poseidon? I have nothing to say about him. Why would I talk about that shithead...Hah? "Since he gave you his blessings and his trident you must've had quite the relationship"? HAHAHAHAHAHA! ─────I'll kill you, you know? Don't say anything more than that. I'll kill you.

>I...liked watching the sea. A long time ago. But, on that day, on the beach...no, it's nothing. I, the woman of Thessaly, Caenis, have surely died that day, and the one who the legends sometimes call a tyrant and sometimes a hero, Caeneus, was born. So, just why did I materialize in this state, with the name of Caenis...

>Huh? I was like a woman? Me? You must be mistaken. Hahaha, you say some funny things. ...Say that one more time. I'll send your head flying before you open your lips. ...Hm? You weren't joking? I see. In that case, those were the vestiges of Caenis or something. Well, my True Name is Caenis now too though. Good grief, what a pain in the ass, seriously. ...What's with that face, hey. Hey, you bastard. You can go prying and making guesses all you want, but don't give me your sympathy, Master. If you were to do so, I'll end up thoughtlessly killing you.
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>>4796368
Achilles doesn't fight women
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>>4796366
Not on a first date
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>Eresh after spending some time around our group and realizing how much we hate gods
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>>4796366

>>4796058
+ too many people watching
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>>4796369
So a quick Poseidon voring from Illya and a concept of Untouched for an easy 99/100 then?
>>4796372
Good thing too.
He'd probably job to most of the women in our faction.
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>>4796375
We hate shitty asshole gods.
Cute gods who do their job are fine.
Basically all are fine if they are cute.
Except Ishtar.
Fuck her.
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>>4796377
My only qualm with erasing what happened rather than pushing her forward from it is you fundamentally rewrite their existence in a way not unlike brainwashing.

Tabula Rasa is actually perfect though, it's a greek concept meaning clean slate
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>>4796354
>Goddess of the Deads getting pregnant and giving birth in the Underworld.
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>>4796385
Eresh is sub 5 tickets level easy, can confirm from personal experience
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>>4796384
It's just giving her an untouched body and a fresh start.
I doubt we'll rewrite her memories.
She's still a Servant.
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>>4796386
Drake and Shuten were the easiest for me with one ticket each. Guess I am attractive to drunkard girls.
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>>4796385
Can't wait.
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>>4796391
I've rolled every single Nero sequentially. Caster was a single ticket. Bride->vanilla->bride on the ccc banner in the first 3 tickets. She loves me
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>bragging about pngs
Do Gachabrains really?
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>>4796386
>>4796391
I got Majin Okita in 8 single rolls when I began fgo. I tried for Reinnes now. And got 5 luvias instead.
I really don't get the Gacha rates in this game.
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>>4796396
>bragging
I just thought it was a funny coincidence.
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>>4796356
>>4796358
>>4796361
Trust me on this one too.
Immaculacy for Caenis.
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Do we need to take some time tomorrow to talk to Eresh, like Tamamo and co? Affection shot up fast but its not weirder than others in this ultra-pace of the War.
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>>4796404
i'll take it
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>>4796404
No.
Untouched.
KA KA KA KA KACHI DAZE!
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>>4796409
I wonder if giving someone UNRIVALLED makes them job as much as JETS and raicow?
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>>4796381
>Except Ishtar.
>Fuck her.
I bet Ishtar would want it.
>>4796409
Save it for Achilles.
it works super well with his form of immortality.
And it fucks over Awakening Mirror too.
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>>4796415
no more heel weakpoint ok

how would he have been puled from the styx I wonder?
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>>4796414
Is your image the Banquet of Kings as written by Takeuchi?
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>>4796419
banquet of jobbing
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>>4796416
I think QM said changes only apply for summonings that take place after 2004 right?
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>>4796423
he did ye
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>>4796422
>strongest character in Touhou
>losing to some shitty Servant
Fuck off Nasu.
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>>4796422
Armstrong, no...
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>>4795795
>Kiss her before she can kiss you instead
Fuck you anti-coomers
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>>4796422
Extra just makes me remember they forgot how dimensions or numbers work and powercrept Avalon in their description without intending to iirc.
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>>4796428
Accidentally posted version for ants.
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>>4795795
>>4795857
>"I-i am g-going to k-kiss this mortal for being so nice to me!"
>"I know every part of you, Eresh, I know you most open and hidden secrets, your deepest dreams and most sought-after desires. I sated your most important want and I have many-many more things prepared for you too. You will be my caretaker for all the lost souls with a world of your own carved with powers I gave you, a supreme position willed into being me. Know that I am truth given form. And I looked upon the falsehoods of your old reality. An infinity of lies of other, lesser gods. Blind to the beyond and Truth of your excellency and noble virtues. But worry no longer for I shall guide the way. To a perfect world of my own creation."
The real coomer vote.
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>>4796436
Nasu is a retard, we know.
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>>4796440
You weren't supposed to point this out!

Eresh bond ce TL

Still. In the end.
Your destiny and your role will not change so much.
You are who you are.
And she will be her.
You never left the place where you both lived.
You never left where you lived, and you never compromised your pride in each other.
But that's why we laugh at the glory.
It was just a few moments, a fleeting memory.
But it is a thorn in the side of my heart.
Even though the vine will never bloom in the underworld.
You are the fruit of the vine for me.
Even though the vine will never bloom in the underworld, you are the fruit of the vine for me.
Even after I'm gone.
Even after I disappear, this fever will never disappear.
The age of the gods is over, and my soul will no longer remain in this land.
The ruler, who remained alone until the end of her life, has completed her task.
There will be a bright sun in the wilderness.
It is the afterglow of a glorious memory that I have seen in my dreams many times.
---A flower blooms in the underworld.
That's what I did, and with a happy heart.
I became a flower and disappeared.
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>>4796446
100/100 Eresh speeedrun.
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Isn't she a goddess of Life and Death now?
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>>4796446
Anyway, do you want some more brainstorming about Ishtar? Other than Virgin Mary syncretic memes.
>>4796449
She governs reincarnation cycle to be precise.
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Let's give Jason a simple concept.
Like Strength.
He deserves something.
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>>4796452
Applying this concept to Eresh truly was Shin Megami Tensei
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>>4796455
Give him concept of balls.
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>>4796455
We haven't even given anything to a lot of our allies, like Artoria, Redman, Tamamo, Mordred, hell even Medea.
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>>4796452
Ishtar has Astaroth stuff in Space Ishtar due to the Astarte connection, so something along those lines? Except maybe not a demon, poor ChurchRin.
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>>4796455
Courage so he's less of a fag who hides behind herc

>>4796452
Benevolence might change her wanton misuse and abuse of others
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>>4796459
ishtar detests Shinji. Personally don't want to offer her anything, but I'm not averse to buffing her host
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>>4796462
You're right.
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I just discovered where WhatIs is hiding
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>>4796462
She hates him now. I'm sure over time she'll mellow out due to the connection.
If she does, her and Church Rin might fix a new arrangement.
Would be nice to know exactly how the link works. Is Broken Rin going to start loving us without understanding why?
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>>4796470
Broken Rin is going to take her hosts' NaN/100 as an additional dose of well deserved emotional punishment for failing to save Sakura.
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>>4796473
baited

write now
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>>4796474
Ehhh.... What won?
Tally them.

Also do you just want to go around today slapping everyone with a concept when you bump into them?
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>>4796477
>Hug, lean and and whisper
>Any gratitude you wish to show me, direct in efforts towards creating a Kur a new in this day and age, so that the dead are not lost to the void of the Root anymore. The gift I gave you was for this purpose, although the nature of it was due in part to what you desired in your original life.
>Headpat again as you break off the hug

This won.
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>>4796477
nah going to bed

and depends, seeing as it's once off some proper deliberation is needed.

Can we go to the boat yet?
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>>4796477
Is there a reason not to, except to let them choose?
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>>4796472
>Broken Rin
>her hosts'
Poor Broken Rin has already been consigned to being a speck in the back of Eresh's mind.
Not that she minds at all, mind you.
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Rin containment thread will breach 2k posts before this is through
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>>4796480
>Sleep
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>>4796482
Eresh IS going to try to help her come out, right?
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>>4796487
Sure, when Rin actually responds to her at all.
It'll probably take some time before she even becomes receptive to anything at all.
She just wants to be alone.
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>>4796486

>>4795888
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If we are talking about more tangable syncretism which also helps make Ishtar more useful and slap her in the face I watched this quite some time ago and it pretty much covers all real connections we need between Astarte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIUq0pfAskU
Not sure how well this mixes with Nasu`s MECHACHADS but a worthwhile idea to pursue regardless since we know of Space Ishtar.
And since Ishtar also dealt with powers of Justice we can give her with Penance or Redemption too.
As well as
>In his 1853 pamphlet The Two Babylons, as part of his argument that Roman Catholicism is actually Babylonian paganism in disguise, Alexander Hislop, a Protestant minister in the Free Church of Scotland, incorrectly argued that the modern English word Easter must be derived from Ishtar due to the phonetic similarity of the two words.
For Chastiry/Virginity memes. Or rather not memes but something to empower Rin Kotomine`s control over Ishtar and her powers as well as empower good aspects of Ishtar. At least those she has in mythology.
>>4796473
You now have to write very male yandere dialog
>>4795857
>>4796005
>>4796440
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>>4796477
>Ehhh.... What won?
Our personal goddess.
>Also do you just want to go around today slapping everyone with a concept when you bump into them?
Yeah. Or at least offer it to people.
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>>4796492
someone's doing the raping


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio

or other subsets of ROME https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mos_maiorum
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>>4796480
>the boat
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>>4796492
Elemental+Worship=Divine Spirit
Divine Spirit=Bodiless God (one with Authority)
Divinity=Divine Spirit+willingly clad in Human ideation (which is not worship)
God=A body that has/can use an Authority

So basically mechachads aren't an obstacle due them changing after 12,000BC, before they became Greek gods from Atlanteans, and due to Universe of Record being more like a wiki edit war instead of normal time progression.
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>>4796497
We need to think of a concept for Argo-tan

We could make it a ship girl and cuck Jason with a concept like Human or Anthropoid
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>>4796496
>>4796499
So we just ask Rin Kotomine how she feels about it and give her list of virtous concepts we can do to Ishtar among those which would help her rehabilitate Ishtar over time and give her more virtous powers from Ishtar`s amalgation of myths instead of cowardly Divine Whore aspects we interacted with?
Works for me.
>>4796503
Personification? It is pretty much how things go for shipgirls, gungirls and all others.
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>>4796489
>Fighting Manaka
>Sakura gets attacked.
>ERINshkigal loses her shit and jumps at her with no regard for her safety.
I can see it happen.
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Oh and
>>4796260
Were you talking about how she now can regenerate our higher dimensional soul? YHVH told us that he only managed to steal small bit of it and we are just tattered piece which merged with 8 years old Shinjo Matou.
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>>4796276
I don't want to crater the Vatican desu. I'd like us to at least try to patch things up with them. They're not that bad.

>>4796278
Heh. Snek daughter voring things even before she was born. We're proud of her.

>>4796287
She should, but I'm not sure if we've checked.

>>4796307
They're the ones who killed him. Para will be sent on a diplomatic mission to Atlas and the Wandering Sea. We need them on our side and he had good relations with them in life.

>>4796384
>Tabula Rasa
>Greek

>>4796440
It's funny that some coomers are voting for the kiss without realising how much more powerful this is.

>>4796477
No. Concepts should be more special than just an afterthought for people we bump into. Medea is the one most in need of a concept now, the others and especially Ishtar can wait.
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>>4796516
>Were you talking about how she now can regenerate our higher dimensional soul?
She can try but that's a really not good idea if YHVH himself couldn't or didn't do it!
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>>4796517
Wiki mentioned Aristotle coining the term, even though it's Latin
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>>4796518
You also wrote this
>That golden sword of truth that is being wielded by Shinji. I... I want to make a weapon like that too! Trace on. I activate my magic circuits. Shinji doesn't appreciate the beauty of the weapon he so casually created. The golden light that makes it up is of a greater level than any weapon I've ever seen before. No, it's a thousand orders of magnitude beyond them all, comparing the Noble Phantasms of Servants to a weapon like this is like comparing a child's hand painting to a masterpiece from the Renaissance. The two simply don't compare. This sword. I need to hold it for myself.
>First step: Judging the Concept of Cre-
>My mind freezes. My blood freezes. My body freezes. My brain works overtime just trying to figure out the concept of which the weapon was formed. Truth. What... What is Truth? Why can my mind not comprehend it? It's a sword, right? So... why is it that... Why is it that I can't figure out... It's a sword. I feel my body start to seize up, before it comes apart in a show of white light. In that moment, I am liberated from this world. I successfully manage to parse the concept of Truth, and as a result, I cease to be. I hear the last few words of Shinji before ascending.
>"What the fuck?"
>DEAD END.
So I assume the trick is to avoid getting booted out of reality for attempting to do so.
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>>4796523
Does that mean Truth derived beings such as maybe our children maybe could do it at least partially?
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>>4796526
My bet would be that you need:
1. It must take place in Imaginary Number Space or inside very strong Reality Marble
2. Territory must be under control Territory Creation skill infused with Truth
3. Being that attempts to do heal soul must have understanding of Truth and be bound to this reality really hard
4. It must be done by power at least close to Truth and upon willing target
5. We must have Independent Manifestation skill
So it is likely that Eresh must either learn bits of Truth on her own or make Pseudo-Servants with natural wielder of Truth to do so.
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>>4796535
Theoretically, can we do the first three steps by teaching Alaya the Truth step by step, making it so the entirety of our World counts as a Territory under someone who knows Truth, and is connected perfectly to this World?

Or even all the steps, since she should be able to do Third Magic type things, as the Counter Force of the Planet (Gaia) uses Materialized Souls already, the Counter Force of Humanity should also be able to utilize it...? With some assistance maybe.
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>>4796523
Also, does this mean that ELIXIR failed to parse Truth, or that it succeeded and attained enlightenment and ceased to be? Practically it doesn't matter but...
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>>4796542
Ereshsviel.
Third Magic ending.
>>4796551
It is either lacked something to finish the process or it was granted new life by us and it has ascended to higher realms of existence.
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Our strongest child yet.
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>>4796559
Already claimed by Tokiomi's mysterious contacts.
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>>4796559
>>4796553
>>4796542
Age of Truth is teaching Alaya and thus Humanity the Truth during the entire long age and ascending by reverse isekai-ing to a higher plane without ceasing to be.
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>>4796553
So, ELIXIR just spawned in our world of origin or something? Sounds funny.
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>>4796565
>mysterious contacts
It was Shinji in a wig, fixing timelines.
>>4796569
>>4796572
6D moves by WhatIs. You thought it was Fate quest but Lovecraftian Mythos turned out to be true! But it was just a fake out too and it is actually the Culture series quest.
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>>4796569
>>4796565

This was just a xianxia mortal arc to attain true enlightenment. Carnival was the deepest lore all along.
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>>4796577
Xianxia Shinji part 2 is something that I'm not looking forward to writing, but hell if I'm not looking forward to feeding it through Google Translate and back twice.
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>>4796585
You can make it horny xianxia about
>Next up are Medea and Medusa. I activate the Time Paradox Restoration fist, returning myself to a point in the past in which I can meet Medea. I give her the aid she requires and contract her as a Servant, before using the Servant Incarnation Fist on her. She is too weak and too slow to keep up with you. Medusa is also hit by the Servant Incarnation Fist. You'd use your jade-like charisma to seduce the two jade-like beauties, however, your time is limited, so for now, you must defeat your final opponent.
We never got to aftermath.
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So what's our plan to feed Eresh with enough Mana to create an Underworld? We can attempt to do that as a trump card during the Manaka fight.
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>>4796260
>none of you seem to have realized what Eresh is capable of doing now
What? She was always capable of giving us children, what are you talking about?
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>>4796623
Have a threesome with Tiamat Sakura?
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>>4796626
Enough about conceiving children and becoming a doting father, educating them to be the best they can be, without restricting or depriving them of their free will and freedom in their lives. When is everybody else in this thread going to go do the same IRL?
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>>4796260
Perfectly incarnating Servants? I thought we already knew that.
Maybe regrowing bits of a true Heroic Spirits from a Servant to have more of it incarnated than just a Class Container?
Do we have any souls laying around or damaged souls or bodies?
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Funny thing, Tiamat has seven times the Magical Energy of a Holy Grail in her most restricted form of Femme Fatale, so her Titan and Dragon forms should have way more. Thought you might like to know that.
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Before Ereshkigal can actually kiss you, you suddenly hug her, stopping her in her tracks, before you lean in close to her ear and begin to whisper softly directly into her ear. "Any gratitude you wish to show me, I want you to divert to an effort to creating Kur anew in this day and age, so that those who die are not lost to the void that is the Root anymore. Not broken apart into nothingness by an infinite source for naught but the sake of returning to that which spawned them. The gift I gave you was... it was for this purpose, although the nature of it was due in part to what you wished for in your original life. Together, Ereshkigal, we shall create a beautiful afterlife, and you will be the sole ruler of that place, beloved by all of your subjects, who shall live after death in reverence of you. That is my gift to you, Ereshkigal." You keep your voice quiet in order to not be overheard by anybody else in the room, though out of the corner of your eye, you swear for a moment that you can see a set of fox-ears twitching... Wait, how good are foxes supposed to be at hearing? A problem for later.

You break off from the hug and headpat Ereshkigal softly. The girl starts to... quiver? Her face turns as red as it can possibly go and she starts to push into your hand as you pat her on the top of the head, not really the sort of reaction you were expecting when you said that... well actually, it totally was. Oh well, it least it didn't make as much of a scene as straight up kissing her would have made. Not to mention that if the Rin inside of her is still conscious and watching, she'd probably still loathe the idea of doing something like kissing you. You haven't forgotten that for the Rin within Ereshkigal right now still remembers you... or well, she remembers her Shinji as a rapist creep who abused Sakura. If she is even still watching silently, that might be enough to finally break whatever last vestiges of sanity the girl has left.

"You... You... Mortal... You...!" Ereshkigal keeps quivering before she suddenly collapses entirely, her eyes closed as she peacefully lies on the floor, fainted. The rest of the room is left speechless at the fact that you just managed to flirt with a goddess to the point where she fainted. Even Gilgamesh and Enkidu look suitably impressed by the feat.
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>>4796632
Rider Shinji is keep getting more broken.
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"Well, that wasn't what I was expecting." You frown at the sleeping body of Ereshkigal, before you lift her up off of the floor, not wanting to just leave her laying there uncomfortably. It's kind of awkward to just have her lying in your arms while you go about your business though, so...

>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Just talk to somebody else while still holding Ereshkigal. (Who?)
>Leave the room with Ereshkigal in your arms, find her a bed.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.
>Write-in...
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Can Eresh clean up grail mud heroic spirits? Their soul should have the blueprints of what they were originally.
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>>4796650
>Can Eresh clean up
CLEAN IT UP
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>>4796641
>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.


Eresh saved Ilya's life, she'll be happy to acomodate her.
Also with Tamamo and Eresh here its important to know if she can turn it off.
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>>4796641
>>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.
Slavedriver Shinji
>Take the resting goddess to a vacant bedroom and go back to casters
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>>4796641
>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back

Lucky we didn't kiss her it would totally break depressed Rin. We should delegate the task of getting Kerry a body while also making sure Illya won't accidentally kill our goddesses.
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>>4796636
>you can see a set of fox-ears twitching
She was a tomb guardian of Huangdi, she should understand...right?
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>>4796659
>>4796641
Support.
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>>4796641
>>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.
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How pissed is Ishtar right now hearing all of this?
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>>4796663
>"Stop running away, Husband!"
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>>4796659
>>4796641
+1 this
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>>4796641
>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.
>>4796663
>>4796675
We are fine. Just need to sweep her off her feet by saying that we will face even Amaterasu for her.
>>4796672
Will probably want to one up Eresh after seeing this.
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>>4796468
I told you he worked there
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>>4796675
How would Tamamo feel about concept of Eclipse?
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>>4796687
Not great since it would be the moon eclipsing the sun which is still her.
Best I got was either Usurpation if we want to completely dunk on and assimilate Amaterasu or at least part of her when Tamamo has more tails, or Symbiosis/Parasitism so Amaterasu can't take her over or order her, and Tamamo still gets stuff from it
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We should give a concept to Medusa. It will allow us to make this the Medusa summoned by the throne throughout the multiverse. Everyone of them will be saved.
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>>4796641
>>4796659
Support.
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>>4796641
>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back
Let's handle this Kerry plot right now
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>>4796687
Give her the concept of Nova, what could go wrong?
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>>4796704
Give her Primacy, and make Amaterasu part of Tamamo instead of the other way around.
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>>4796704
>a star showing a sudden large increase in brightness and then slowly returning to its original state over a few months
Not... that much?
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Do people still want to have a chat with Amaterasu?
I mean, I'm kinda curious, but she's not exactly reasonable.
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>>4796710
Yes. Imagine laying between her giant fluffy tails and discussing with her.
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For Tamamo I have those ideas:
Self-Control, Self-mastery, Duality, Indomitability, Luminosity, Satyam, Future, Continuity or Primacy.
Here is Tamamo having heart to heart talk with Hakuno about her nature in Extella and her fears.
https://youtu.be/GaMOHZ3JVC0
If somebody can deduce better out of it we should probably do so.
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>>4796641
15 minute call
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>>4796719
We should give her the Concept she's most compatible with: Wife
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>>4796708
I swear it used to be just Nova in my timeline, oh well.

Supernova type Ia
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>>4796721
>JK
>JK
>JK
>JK
>JK
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>>4796724
If you're going to apply concepts like that, just go with something like "Black Hole" or "Quasar"
If you want to die that much.
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>>4796719
I think either Primacy or maybe Eternity?
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>>4796728
She doesn't have enough stellar mass for that, sorry Tamamo, you're still just a small star.
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>>4796728
Flare or Beam? You know. That one stellar phenomena that considered to be Great Filter. Sleep deprivation robbed me of ability to remember the correct name.
>>4796730
Dominance, Paramountcy, Preeminence?
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>>4796720
>Ask Illya if she wouldn't mind sharing her bed for a moment, also ask if her divinity absorption ability is something she can decide to turn on or off before letting her get close to Ereshkigal.
>Bring up the fact that Kiritsugu still needs his body back.

This wins.
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>>4796730
Eternity is already her origin iirc.
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>>4796751
I think Primacy is just "the fact of being pre-eminent or most important." So, Primacy seems to be the best?
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>>4796760
Wuji Tamamo.
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>>4796728
I'd like to fill her Black Hole if you know what I mean.
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>>4796770
I'm not entirely sure I do.
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>>4796769
She is a Primordial Buddha as Vairocana, who is at the center of all ephemeral phenomena...Thanks Shingon Buddhism, once again.

But Primacy or just Self may be good.
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>>4796774
See, you can't 'fill' a black hole, because a black hole isn't a void.
In fact, a black hole is almost the complete opposite of a void.
It's a point where there is so much mass and energy that it tells normal laws to suck a dick.
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>>4796770
>>4796774
>>4796779
>"I Dyson Sphere you, my lovely Fox Wife".
>>4796764
Same goes for Preeminence. It is also have religious connotations with Christianity which took a lot of from Solar Cults of latter Rome. And many celtic, germanic and slavic converts considered Jesus to be Solar Deity as well.
>>4796775
Self is rather cool.
Will probably make her a bit weaker but cut off Ammy and her bad influence.
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>>4796774
Get too close to her to the point where there is no escape and get slowly pulled inside, where your entire body gets broken and becomes part of the black hole.
Isn't that just another instance of vore? Sasuga QM!
>>4796779
Black hole-chan is just a yandere, she's too scared you would cheat on her if she ever lets you out.
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>>4796774
Alternatively, you could fill the black hole in her heart by rubbing her fox ears while handholding and promising you will marry her.
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Universe.
Starburst.
Redshift.
Invariant.
Electromagnetism.
Fission.

Take these powers, Tamamo!
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>>4796829
Amaterasu is already accorded as the Universe in some Shinto variants, even without syncretism.
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If we want a different concept, maybe Shen? Chinese concepts that Tamamo is also involved in, but also transformed into Shin for japanese.

Means spirit/god but also means heart, "the human spirit or psyche; it is the basic power or agency within humans that accounts for life, and in order to further life to its fullest potential the spirit is transformed to actualise potential.", mind, expressions, consciousness.

It is the individual soul compared to chi/vitality and Jing/essence. Shen is also yang, so solar or sun aspected.

Sun aspected, individual soul, agency/consciousness and numinous/mysterious and powerful.

Or just stay with Primacy or some equivalent?
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>>4796863
Shin(ji).
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Man, with all these girls around, foxwife might do something drastic.
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>>4796728
Kilonova would also be cool.
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>>4796908
Why not just go all the way into ridiculousness with "Higgs Boson" or "Big Bang" if you want to die so much?
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>>4796929
I need STRONG Fox Wife.
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>>4796929
False vaccum decay would be a hilarious way to kill the universe.
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Considering both personalities are part of the same person, wouldn't they both benefit from reconciling them?
With concept like Conciliation, Harmony, or in line with stellar ones, Fusion?
The former two might also make her less unhinged.

But it is rather dramatic intervention into how her personality works...
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"Illya... would you mind sharing that bed with Ereshkigal here for a moment? Your... Your ability to absorb divinity is something that you can choose to use or not, isn't it?" You ask the girl who up until now has just been calmly observing the after-effects of Rin's usage of the Second True Magic as well as the two goddesses gaining their own bodies. "I think you and Ereshkigal should try to get along, she did all she was able to ensure that you were given the support you needed to have in order to remain yourself." Honestly, you'd be very surprised if at the end of the day, the two didn't end up as something like best friends. It's in part thanks to Ereshkigal's power as well that Illya has become as powerful as she is anyway, and while it may or may not have been intentional on her part, you know for a fact that her aiding Illyasviel in retaining her individuality means that Illya at least should have a very good opinion on Ereshkigal.

"Of course, while I was unaware of it at the time, it makes sense that something else was providing me some form of assistance when it came to retaining my sense of self... I was... I was created in order to house Heroic Spirits within my body, but... only the deceased souls of those spirits as they attempt to return to the throne. While the structure of my body was advantageous in fending off Ishtar's attempts to assimilate me, I wouldn't have been able to last more than maybe an hour or so..." Illyasviel shakes her head. "No, the mind of a human... or even the mind of a homunculus like myself, they shouldn't be able to resist forceful possession by a hostile divine spirit, even those with the mightiest wills will quickly be broken down should the spirit wish it." Illya explains the situation a little less arrogantly. "So, while I was able to survive in part due to my nature and... will to survive and keep living as myself, just those two things probably wouldn't have been enough." Illya looks down to the goddess that is sleeping in your arms right now. "That goddess really did place me under her protection." Illya hops up out of bed in order to get a closer look at the girl. "I would never have imagined somebody like Rin would end up being the perfect vessel for these two goddesses though, it's quite strange, but this girl, even before your alteration to her, seemed quite a bit more powerful than Ishtar was when she was within my body, so as a matter of compatibility... why would they focus on my body and not Rin's?" Illya asks an open question to the room before she quickly grabs hold of Ereshkigal's hand. "As for my ability to absorb divinity, I can of course control it." You nearly breath a sigh of relief.
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>>4796893
she doesn't really have THAT many options to be fair, Nero is gonna have to wrangle her for us
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"If you want to know why they went for you instead of me, I'd wager it's got something to do with the protections granted to me by the Second True Magic, and by the Kaleidosword in general." Rin enters the conversation. "It's something to do with the Kaleidosword. A singular entity attempting to possess me would quickly find themselves overwhelmed and destroyed... It's something like an... auto-defense function of the Kaleidosword. While this branch of time is incapable of being duplicated, the Second True Magic can... create a form of phantom divergence point. A highly localized re-fractional shift that is restricted to only myself due to the nature of this timeline alone. Now, I haven't personally tried this, but with the Kaleidosword, I should be able to effectively layer an infinite number of my exact mental state upon myself over and over again, and no matter how powerful a deity attempting to possess me is, that auto-defense system would erase them quite rapidly. My mentality would quickly win out." Rin sounds quite proud of her mastery of the Second, and you can't blame her for wanting to brag about just what she's capable of doing with the Kaleidosword. That weapon is something easily on the level of the Seven Superweapons of Atlas, and you... don't really know if Rin is treating the Second with the respect that it deserves.

"Ah, that makes sense!" Illya seems to have a realization. "It would be like a goddess or a god trying to possess an entire nation or continent at once!" Illya looks like she understands just why the goddess naturally avoided Rin, as a wielder of the Second True Magic. "Even if it worked, the goddess herself would be so diluted that even with her full effort to possess you, she'd effectively just be reduced to something like a single synapse firing!" Illya seems to understand quite quickly as to why it wouldn't have worked, and Rin smiles, happy that the room seems to have understood her explanation. You had no idea that Rin was so powerful with the Kaleidosword now! So... The Second True Magic is capable of even something like that... Well, you suppose that it is the True Magic that was used in the past to defeat an actual honest to God Type. Who as far as you are aware, are superior in power to deities. After all, if the Planet Earth were a truly conscious being like other Types were, then a god would never be able to defeat it. At least in theory, maybe not in practice, given additional variables.
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You lay Ereshkigal on Illya's bed and Illya takes a seat next to the sleeping goddess, smiling down at Ereshkigal for a few moments before she starts plaiting Ereshkigal's hair. You aren't entirely certain if Ereshkigal will enjoy that, but... well, at least it goes to show that Illyasviel does definitely consider Ereshkigal somebody that she cares about, it's hard not to care about somebody who saved your mind from oblivion, after all. Ereshkigal wasn't doing it for any real reason other than to attempt to protect another innocent soul from the selfish wishes of her bitch sister, so you'll be happy if Ereshkigal and Illyasviel can become friends, Illya... is a goddess now, so she might need somebody to show her the ropes, so to speak. You hope that Rin Kotomine is mentally subduing Ishtar with Bible Verses or something right now, God knows that Ishtar deserves to be put through such suffering, even if you want her to be rehabilitated into a better person, first comes punishment. Ishtar is a girl who effectively managed to get away with everything in her life without ever truly being punished for her misdeeds. Sure, she had her trips and her falls, but at the end of the day, Ishtar, a terrible person, managed to come out on top, even claiming the role as most important deity of her entire pantheon, she definitely didn't deserve to be honored in such a way.

"Well, now that we've gotten the problem of the... goddesses solved. I suppose we should move on to..." You lift the teddy bear also sitting on Illya's bed up. "This idiotic man here." Kiritsugu swings his arms around, but no matter how powerful those arms and legs might be, they aren't much use to him if he can't actually reach anything with those stubby arms and legs of his. "We need to put his soul back in his proper body, after all." You want to kick Kiritsugu's ass for going against your plans, had he waited or even told you what he was planning, you could've put together a team or something to ensure that rescuing Illya was a guarantee, instead he rushed in like an idiot and got himself put in the body of a Teddy Bear while Acht did God knows what to the remnants of the Emiya family magic crest. Probably nothing good.

>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
>"Actually, wake Ereshkigal up, I want so see if her ablities allow her to rejuvenate Kiritsugu's full body from just his soul."
>"Morgan, this is an area of expertise for you, right? The movement of souls from one body to another?"
>"Touko, do you think you can handle this? Your puppets should mean you've got quite a bit of experience with something like this."
>Write-in...
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>>4796957
Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
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>>4796957
>>"Actually, wake Ereshkigal up, I want so see if her ablities allow her to rejuvenate Kiritsugu's full body from just his soul."
this would give him a powerup
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>"Actually, wake Ereshkigal up, I want so see if her ablities allow her to rejuvenate Kiritsugu's full body from just his soul."
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>>4796957
>Morgan, this is an area of expertise for you, right? The movement of souls from one body to another?
This entire update was pointless if we just wake her back up.
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>>4796957
>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
>"Illyasviel, I could also offer you my help in the process. I am thinking that Concept of Materialization, Soul or Heaven will be able to return Einzbern`s mastery of Third Magic to you."
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Might take a nap.
Can't stop yawning and my lungs desire oxygen.
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>>4796981
We would probably need to bulk our magical energy up in an Alitheia proximity and Ares Sash kinda way at minimum for Heaven, but it maybe should be doable?
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>>4796986
Heaven is likely the only one that require us to do so.
Materialization should be quite easy one to do.
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>>4796981
Those are dangerous as shit. Heaven might lead to a proper Apotheosis to the level of God, or close. I'd go with something safer, more limited, like... Sorcerer. Magician. The concept of a Soul, even.
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Yeah I think a nap is in order.
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>>4796991
Another bigbrain idea is "Miracle". Elevate the Wishcraft pseudo-Authority to deal with Miracles instead of Wishes, maybe so it can also do True Magic type arbitrary effects, instead of just magecraft?
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>>4796957
>>"Touko, do you think you can handle this? Your puppets should mean you've got quite a bit of experience with something like this."
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>>4796991
I don`t think Heaven is that dangerous to her since her newfound powers works quite well with it. But yes, it is the strongerst one on the list.
Soul is middle ground between it and Materialization.
Materialization is the one I like the most since Third Magic/Grail of Heaven/Heaven`s Feel is supposed to do materialization of the soul.
With Einzberns still holding connection to it materialization should be enough. Especially with Illya`s new mastery and Authority over Wishes.
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Wasn't Tamamo the one that found him and animated him? Or is this not her area of expertise?
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>>4797003
Not really. She is more into curses and "eastern magic" with familiar creation being important part of.
She could empowers puppet body though rather easy though.
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>>4797003
The movement of souls?
Not especially.
She's powerful, but Morgan literally has a dagger to extract souls.
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>>4796957
>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
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>>4797003
Her soul expertise probably extends more into mindfuck and soul manipulation, based on Kiara's dakini stuff being from the same school.
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>>4796957
>"Actually, wake Ereshkigal up, I want so see if her ablities allow her to rejuvenate Kiritsugu's full body from just his soul."
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>>4797014
Is Kerry's body fine or was a new one made? Since it kind of got super-cursed (along with his soul?)
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>>4796996
You have two options: you go take a nap or you get experience of inhaling chloroform and being tied to a bed.
>>4797022
His body is all kinds of fucked up but it`s still has his Magic Crest.
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>>4796957
>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."

Many could do this but for her it is personal.
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What's winning.
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>>4797046
I believe
>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
is winning
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Calling in twenty the nap can wait.
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Actually, what's Tamamo's deal? There's Tamamocat and there's that bitch from the fgo Lostbelts that I can't pronounce the name.
Are they all her?
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>>4797050
Yes
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>>4797052
. . .Her entire deal or just the Tamamo Nine?
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>>4797052
Those are her tails that she seperated and threw into Imaginary Number Space or something iirc.
She should've thrown them all into a blender instead.
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>>4797051
>the nap can wait
>>4797046
We are tied unless you count my for Illya with Concept suggestion.
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>>4796957
>>"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us."
>headpat illya
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Did my post just get lobbed into Imaginary Number Space?
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>>4797057
>She should've thrown them all into a blender instead.
That's basically what she tried to do, but I guess she failed.
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>>4797057
>Imaginary Number Space
It always comes back to that in this quest.
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>>4797064
The Tamamo Nine only exist because Tamamo was somehow stupid enough to not just personally destroy the tails.
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>>4797068
At least cat is cute I guess.
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>>4797068
Would you really do that? Just look at them.
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>>4797068
Well I'm very glad she didn't because I want Viccht to sit on my face.
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>>4797057
cat did nothing wrong
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>>4797098
A cat is fine too.
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>>4797109
Are you going to suggest giving Tamamo concept of Cat?
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>>4797098
Where is cat anyways? And would Tamamo try to kill her or absorb her back or something if they met?
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>>4797117
no point overriding her when cat can just be summoned

>>4797118
All of the Tamamo nine hate one another. All of the tails hate the original for being cut off, Cat hates the lot because the rest are evil
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>>4797127
>All of the tails hate the original for being cut off, Cat hates the lot because the rest are evil
So she's the good one? That's nice. Hope she shows, and doesn't get killed by the OG.
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>>4797137
The other 8 are some form of Evil alignment, she's Chaotic Good.

Very Chaotic.
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Concept of Kaleidoscope?
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>>4797147
You don't need a Second Second True Magic wielder.
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>>4797151
But it fits her because sun and mirrors.
And she could get us all other Tamamos!
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>>4797151
Don't you mean THIRD Second True Magic wielder?
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How about something like "Unconditional"? Maybe it would let her be unrestricted by Amaterasu, and also let her use the Authority form of her NP better?
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We could try Fractal?
>>4797161
Rin is Zelretch, anon.
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Concept of Fluffy
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>>4797176
But she already is
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>>4797170
If we want something fancy we can give her concept of Heroine.
>>4797176
She already has it.
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Maybe Sovereign could work for her? Becoming the ruling aspect of Amaterasu if we're very lucky, she did court stuff, is an aspect of essentially a Chief Goddess?
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>>4797180
>>4797184

more
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>"Kill those fake versions of me."
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>>4797141
she is very cute.
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Remember that qm said if we touch her core we get warped to Amaterasu.
I don't think she'll like us trying to undermine her.
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>>4797187
Just give her Comfy.
>>4797188
But we can put them to work!
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OK this next update will probably be the last for the day when I finish writing it.
I'll make a new thread tomorrow, no sense making a new thread for one post.
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Concept of Reflection, Sun, or Invigoration
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>>4797188
I'd sooner kill OG than Cat to be honest.
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>>4797199
>Invigoration

no escape from the bedchamber
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>>4797203
Yes
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Asha separated our Vritra from greater whole.
Would something like Satya/Sacca do that for our Tamamo as well?
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>>4797222
Maybe Sat or Atma, but I am half concerned it would enlighten and disappear her.
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>>4797188
Yes, your majesty.
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>>4797226
Atman's problem is that while it it "means 'real self' of the individual, 'innermost essence' and soul." It also is "not the same as body or mind or consciousness, but... something beyond which permeates all these" So. . .
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>>4797226
But wouldn`t all that syncretism she accumulated prevent her from getting enlighten?
Even without big Ammy herself she is loaded with plenty of things that would prevent her from getting raw deal of enlightening.
We could go for not that big concept but still those with connection to form of Truth and syncretic forms she has. Dhyāna, Shikantaza, Ajātivāda.
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>>4797251
We could go with Truth related things, then Atman would be good as it is an individual soul that is still close to the Truth of ultimate reality without necessarily being one with it, at least in dualistic and "dualistic and non-dualistic" (somehow) schools.

Another would be Ahamkara for Ego but that usually has bad connotations in Indian and Hindu stuff.

Could also go with just Buddhi, which is the power to " 'form, retain concepts; intelligence, reason, intellect, mind', the intellectual faculty and the ability to 'discern, judge, comprehend, understand' something"

Buddhi is also "that which is able to discern truth (satya) from falsehood and thereby to make wisdom possible."
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>>4797267
Atman probably isn't good for our purposes at all. As its contrasted directly with the ego (ahamkara) that makes up an individual personality.
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Update coming?
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>>4797325
I'm working on it, then it's off to bed for me.
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"Illyasviel, I feel like you should be the one to place his soul back in his body. Medea, bring his body to us." You honestly don't even know where Kiritsugu's body is being kept right now, but that shouldn't be a problem for Medea. She was capable of discerning its location and bringing it to you from Germany, so whether it's somewhere in your house or somewhere in Rin's house, it shouldn't make any difference to Medea when it comes to actually finding it. Then it's a simple matter of putting Kiritsugu's soul back inside his body and you should be all set!

Medea nods, and you turn to Illya as well as the bear sitting on the side of the bed. "Well, Illya, Kiritsugu. It's been a long time, but you'll finally be truly reunited with each other for ten long years. I... I know that you're already here in the bear, but... Well, it's hardly like it's the same sort of thing, is it?" Honestly, the fact that Kerry is a bear and is unable to actually vocalize anything to his beloved daughter must not feel great. Though at least Illya has been close to him for those years. Still probably not a great thing to have to experience though. A dear loved one in arms reach yet you are powerless to let them know that you are, where all the time they would just continue thinking you had abandoned them, and grow to hate you more and more even under the impression that you died. It's a horrible punishment, and one that only something heartless like a golem could truly condone.

"I'm... Looking forward to being able to properly see him again. All that resentment I felt towards him and Shirou for those years, even though I never acted upon it, I feel terrible for even having those thoughts in the first place." Illya smiles as she lifts the bear up to her face. "Do you hear that, daddy? We'll finally be reunited properly! You can't say anything back right now, because you're a bear, so just... raise your arms if you're happy!" The bear does as asked, and raises its stubby limbs as high as it can. You find yourself smiling at the display of love between a daughter and her father. "But anyway. I do have the capability to do that, yes! Before I became a goddess, I'd have needed to have Leysritt sacrifice her life to become the Dress of Heaven before I could move souls from one body to another, but... well, it's the nature of a deity to be adept at the handling of souls, isn't it?" Illyasviel suddenly kisses the bear on the top of the head before it glows white with divine power.
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The bear goes limp in her hands and Illyasviel drops it to the floor, where it slumps uselessly against the ground, instead leaving a smile glowing white ball in its place. It's far far dimmer than the souls of the two goddesses, but is undoubtedly the form of a soul given a visible form thanks to Illyasviel's power. It hovers in place for a few moments, before Kiritsugu's body suddenly appears in the room with a flash of purple light, wearing a plain looking white outfit. You were busy paying attention to Illya, so you didn't even hear Medea use her teleportation spell.

"Finally, after all these years, I'll finally be able to properly see you again, daddy." Illyasviel is using a very childish method of address for a girl her age, but you suppose that for a girl as sheltered as she is, who was deprived of a decade of her relationship with the man, it's not all together that odd. The soul floating in between Illya's hands pulses slightly as Illya leans over and places her hands on the heart on what could only be called the living corpse of Kiritsugu Emiya, the soul hovering between her hands entering into the body without a trace.

Illya takes her hands away from the body of her father, and waits...

And waits...

And waits...

Time crawls by at an agonizingly slow pace as the room stares at Kiritsugu. Even those with no real investment in the fate of the man seem to have at least gotten a little bit caught up in the situation, the suspense in the air was thick enough that it could be cut.

Suddenly, the body of Kiritsugu Emiya has a hacking and coughing fit as his eyes spring open. "Daddy!" Kiritsugu barely even gets a chance to gain his bearings before Illya practically throws herself on top of her father, who is forced back to laying on the floor even by Illya's tiny body. His body is weak right now, and his motor skills are obviously not the same as they would've been in... well, in a magic bear.

"Illyasviel... I'm... I'm sorry." The first words that come out of Kiritsugu's mouth are an apology. Good start.

>Let Kiritsugu and Illyasviel have their moment in privacy, clear out the peanut gallery. It's about time you spoke with Tamamo anyway.
>Have everyone leave and go looking for Shirou. You need to tell him that his dad is back.
>Go find Young Rin so you can prank Archer before anything else.
>Have everyone leave the room so you can speak with Kiritsugu with Illya. Also have somebody fetch Shirou. (Anything you want to say?)
>Write-in...
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>>4797370
Have everyone leave and go looking for Shirou. You need to tell him that his dad is back.
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>>4797370
>>Go find Young Rin so you can officially adopt her, then prank Archer before anything else.
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>Go find Young Rin so you can prank Archer before anything else.
Priorities.
Also I wanna tell Archer to go see Kiritsugu too along with Shirou.
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>>4797370
>>Write-in...
Have one of the others go find Shirou, to tell him Kerry's back while we go get Tiny Rin and prank EMIYA before telling him to go see Kerry too.
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>>4797370
>Let Kiritsugu and Illyasviel have their moment in privacy, clear out the peanut gallery. It's about time you spoke with Tamamo anyway.
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>>4797383
>>4797370
+1, seems easy to do both
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>>4797370
Changing from >>4797381
to >>4797383
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>>4797383
>>4797370
+1.
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Alright, good night.
Did you decide on a good concept for Mordred yet?
Or what you want to give Shirou or EMIYA?

Oh fuck! We hit image limit?
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>>4797398
New thread
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>>4797370
>>4797383
Support
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>>4797370
>>Have everyone leave the room so you can speak with Kiritsugu with Illya. Also have somebody fetch Shirou. (Anything you want to say?)
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>>4797370
>Have everyone leave the room so you can speak with Kiritsugu with Illya. Also have somebody fetch Shirou.
>Ask Illya to let you speak with Kiritsugu alone for just a couple minutes. You have a few words to tell him.
>"I didn't do it for you, Kiritsugu. I don't need the Magus Killer."
>"I did it for Shirou and Illya. They don't need the Magus Killer either. They need their father."
>"Be there for them. Be better. Few people get as many chances as you have. You will likely not get another."
>Then leave the Emiya family in peace. Shirou should be here shortly. You have to call Waver.

We need to make sure Kerry gets straightened out before he gets any more foolish ideas. Calling Waver is the next thing in the agenda. And for the love of god guys, pranking Archer is fine but you're using a child who's lost and confused and among strangers. How do you think little Rin will feel when Archer freaks out?

>>4797398
Goddammit, yes. I wanted to post some Emiya family.
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>>4797398
Archer should have the concept progress, manufacturing or mass production. It feels like UBW is a transition from single master works to mass production when it comes to mystic codes like artisan swords to mass produced versions.
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>>4797410
Don't spoil the moment, TPO. Wait until later when this is done. Also can't call Waver that is the thing Sakura stopped earlier.
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>>4797410
Get that stick off your ass. It's child Rin, she's a lot tougher than you think. At worst she'll be annoyed or confused.
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>>4797370
>>4797383
Support
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>>4797414
Tpo?
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>>4797410
Aren't you the one bitching that Sakura will get upset cause we aren't treating today like a day off? The first thing she told us is to not call Waver
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>>4797383
Child Rin has no context and should be given answers before Shinji does something stupid.
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>>4797414
I can accept people thinking this is not the right time to straighten Kerry out and we shouldn't spoil the moment, even though I disagree. It's not as important when that talk happens, as long as it happens before he gets a bright idea again. And since this is Kerry we're talking about, the sooner the better imho.

But calling Waver is literally the next thing on the agenda. We've already voted on this. No one raised an objection then. Waver needs to hear Gray is alive and we got his dude, he doesn't know about either. He'll be worried sick about Gray and he'll be happy to hear about his dude. What we just did is ten times more work than calling him to calm him. He's supposed to be our friend too.

>>4797419
When was the last time I bitched, anon?
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>>4797370
>>4797383
Support
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>>4797426
This morning
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>>4797433
Only because we broke a bit of Sakura's heart to get her to accept the harem. I have been constantly reminding us to avoid work since then, but I don't think I've really bitched about that.
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>>4797440
I want more SoL and am tired of rin fest. Sakura is fine. And she's about to get another daughter.
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So image limit is 375.
This thread can't handle all the Eresh's.
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>>4797370
Supporting >>4797383
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>>4797445
It really can’t.

>>4797398
I have an idea of what to possibly give Mordred. But I admit I’m not good at concepts so this might not be fitting but....Determination. Though if she plans on taking over Britain, maybe prosperity would work? I mean she is a king, so of course a king would want their kingdom to prosper.
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>>4797443
We almost brought her to tears by hammering her with her deepest fears. We hurt her, for the first time in our life, and it was on purpose. Even Shinji felt like a piece of shit for doing it. It wasn't even necessary, we could have used a different approach. She'd never say no to us.

I'm also tired of Rinfest and I also want more SoL
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>>4797453
I'll have to reread it then. You talking about with Sakura and Medea?
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>>4797454
Yeah, from when we got them into a room to talk to them.
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>>4797452
I really like Determination for Mordred. It fits her to a t. Prosperity will come naturally for those ruled by our king, no need to cheat it.
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I still don't understand why sakura doesn't wants us to call waver yet is fine with us directing the insertion of souls and applying concepts to them. Duality of women i suppose.
Also are we going to give kiritsugu a concept?
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>>4797462
Give him the concept of "chill", so he'll stop running off on his own.
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>>4797370
>>4797383
Support
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>>4797453
The problem wasn't the harem it was the positions. If i remember correctly you voted for total equality as well. You just don't like the cost of it.
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>>4797458
But what do you think Determination would even really do for her?
She's already got plenty determination naturally, after all.
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>>4797525
go to sleep, dum dum
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>>4797525
Go to sleep
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>>4797525
Sleep, QM, sleep!
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>>4797525
You need to sleep.
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>>4797525
Update when?
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>>4797779
tomorrow
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>>4797488
No, I argued strenuously for hierarchy back then. But it was a mistake to focus so much on a losing battle when I should have been trying to get people to improve the winning write in.

And of course I don't like the cost. Do you? Especially since it was completely unnecessary. Hitting her where it hurts wasn't the only way to convince her, just the most obvious one with metaknowledge.

>>4797525
Dunno man. That's your job. Allow her to buff those under her command with determimation, maybe? I don't really think she lacks anything that can only be granted by a concept.

Asking her goes without saying, of course.
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Sacchin giveth and Rin taketh the QM's update potency and frequency.

Image limit is cringe senpai I hate it. Imagine posting text on an imageboard
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>>4797812
It's funny how quickly Rin drained his motivation, yes.

And I fucking hate the image limit too. Images are half the fun for god's sake.
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>>4797370
>gesture for others to clear out the room, leave Illya with her dad (and suppose resting Eresh)
>once outside, thank everyone for their work and help today. Those little moments make it all so worth it.
>have someone get Shirou, so he can join the reunion.
>take Tamamo aside, it’s about time to talk.
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>>4797370
Going >>4797383
Sounds fun.
Tamamo was next on the list after Rin, anyway.
>>4797398
>Mordred
Epoch. Temporality. Chronon. Endurantism. Causality. Perdurantism. Eternity.
Or any other funny time ones.
You gave Mordred paradoxical powers and existence and she outright told us that her new blade exists outside of normal works of time and it is the reason why she can cut Rizo like nothing despite his super time immortality.
Anything other than building up on those things are wasted on her.
>Shirou
Reforging.
Super obvious.
>EMIYA
Volition.
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>>4797812
>>4797829
So you are saying that Rin really knows how to drain a man, huh?
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>>4798106
Transference of power + woman use of resources

>>4798090
>Aeon
>a power existing from eternity; an emanation or phase of the supreme deity.

Shinji will become the supreme deity, Mordred will persist along side him.
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Time to headpat Sacchin after Kerry's update so QM can increase his output.

Did he finally sleep for more than 8 hours?
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>>4798113
Wendysman is kill
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>>4798109
Sounds good. Let`s go for it.
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>>4798120
If it doesn't go as planned she might still get a new, unique NP

Zanmato
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>>4798115
No, he is Rejuvenating.
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>>4798121
>Endurance: EX
>Instinct: EX
>Battle Continuation: EX
>Sword of Timeless Victory - Caliburn Camlann: EX Rank Rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm
>Secret of Time: Helm of Aeons: A+++ Anti-World (Self) Noble Phantasm
>>4798122
Eresh managed to make him finally rest? Such a good and diligent girl.
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>>4798090
>Tamamo was next on the list after Rin, anyway.

This was the updated schedule post-Morrigan that we voted for.

>>1. Check up on Satsuki's Reality Marble.
>This is important. We have to make sure nothing permanently bad happened to her, or try to fix it otherwise.
>>2. Illya and Kiritsugu
>This really should have been first. My bad. I'm sorry I've let you down, anons.
>>3. Call Waver. Tell him we have his dude and we'll give him back tomorrow. Tell him Gray is alive and we'll get her back.
>He must be worried sick about Gray. He'll be happy we got his dude. This should also have been done earlier.
>>4. Find out where Merlin and Olga Marie went.
>Might as well do it before we start going out again.
>>5. Check on Vritra, make sure she's not causing any trouble.
>Ditto.
>>6. Talk to Tamamo about the fox pup. Hint about nonexclusivity.
>Last stressful activity for today. The longer we wait, the worse it'll get. Let's get this over with.
>>7.Take the kids out to play in a park.
>>8.Take the kids to watch a movie.
>Fun, relaxing times with the kids. We'll need it.
>>9. Go shopping for clothes for everyone.
>Not time critical, but clothes shopping at night is odd. We shouldn't leave it for last.
>>10. Thank Arcueid for destroying Chaldea in this timeline.
>That was also part of the plan. We'll probably get the chance to do it when clothes shopping or right after. It's not important to do it fast.
>>11. Ask Paracelcus if he'd be willing to teach Rin. Also ask him if he'd be willing to teach you how to teach after the War
>Also a good chance to do it during shopping or right after. Also not important to do it fast.
>>12. Go watch a movie with everyone.
>Shouldn't be done earlier, can't be done later. We'll have already gathered everyone for clothes shopping, it's a natural continuation.
>>13. Hang out with Shirou, Shiki and SHIKI.
>I agree this should be the last thing for today.
>>14. Talk to Shirou about Taiga. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. Can even be done while we're hanging out.
>This was also part of the plan.

No one objected at the time.

>>4798109
Why make Mordred a deity? She wants to be King instead and she's already immortal.
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>>4798133
>Helm of Aeons
Speaking of, Mordred's Helmet that Morgan enchanted, the Secret of Pedigree is already an EX rank really powerful defensive NP. Extra concept overlay should be interesting. It seems to have disappeared upon becoming acknowledged as king, but I imagine the idea is still buried within her Saint Graph.

>>4798138
She'll be a phase of the deity, the King of Truth to usher in the Age of Truth under Shinji when he Apotheosises without help from Nyarly or YHWH.

>In astronomy an aeon is defined as a billion years (109 years, abbreviated AE). Roger Penrose uses the word aeon to describe the period between successive and cyclic Big Bangs within the context of conformal cyclic cosmology.

>The word aeon /ˈiːɒn/, also spelled eon (in American English), originally meant "life", "vital force" or "being", "generation" or "a period of time", though it tended to be translated as "age" in the sense of "ages", "forever", "timeless" or "for eternity".

It's not deification at all senpai
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>>4798143
I reckon the helm that hid her face rematerializing as a Crown of Aeons would be the most kino.
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>>4798138
Looks like we need to shuffle it again.
>>4798143
>>4798144
The True Once and Future King.
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>>4798146
I don't know if Shinji has the mana do output a concept signifying "a billion years" without aid, maybe after dinner? So he can sleep it off. Just keep the idea in mind for when WhatIs closes this Rin containment thread
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>>4798143
Sounds like splitting hair to me. And is this where I reveal I don't want us to become the supreme deity? It's a lonely, thankless job, there's a reason God wants someone else to pass the bucket too.

>>4798146
>Looks like we need to shuffle it again.
Up to WhatIs I'd say. I don't think there would be calls to talk to Tamamo now if he hadn't put it in a default option. I don't see why though. nothing really changed.
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>>4798152
Thing is we have plenty of company. We've proven we can have biological children with the same concept as us, so given time they'll get close.

It'll be more like a pantheon.

Have a read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

We're almost at the end of the Kali Yuga anyway, after that it resets back to the First Age

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga

Which, oh so fittingly is..

>the first and best of the four yugas (world ages) in a Yuga Cycle, preceded by Kali Yuga of the previous cycle and followed by Treta Yuga.[1][2]

>Satya Yuga is known as the age of truth, when humanity is governed by gods, and every manifestation or work is close to the purest ideal and humanity will allow intrinsic goodness to rule supreme. It is sometimes referred to as the "Golden Age". The Satya Yuga lasts 1,728,000 years or 4800 divine years.

DO YOU SEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9pfk3cyMuA
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>>4798148
Dragon Core is likely needed for it, yeah.
>Rin containment thread
Bold of you to assume that Rin can be contained any longer.
>>4798152
We`ll see how things go and adjust.
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What won?
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>>4798187
Your sleep schedule
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>>4798187
Eresh.
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>not making Mordred into God Emperor
ngmi desu senpai

Also, where is QM? I'm starting to fear a tree fell on him and now Eresh won't let go off him.
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>>4798190
>>4798187
Aniki, your eyes..?
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>>4798187
>>4797383
This won.
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>>4798159
>almost at the end of the Kali Yuga
>Kali Yuga, which lasts for 432,000 years, is believed to have started in 3102 BCE
>More than 400,000 years to go
Errr

I still wouldn't want us to become head of a new pantheon though. Immortal yes, god no. I would prefer if we spent most of our days semi-retired with our wives and kids, intervening only when necessary to advise our King or settle dispute among those running the world for us and picking up arms again only to protect our Perfect World from any other fuckers who might happen to threaten it.

I will concede that the Satya Yuga is fitting.

>>4798187
Did you sleep off your Rin fatigue at least?
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>>4798228
What do you think gods do? Act like a police force or royalty? They do what they want, and nothing more.
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>>4798228
Also, if we're going to be dealing with Atlas or this World in any way, we're going to be working a LOT.
They calculate and find so many "End of the World" type things, both slow accumulation and sudden types, that they categorize them and everyone has their own they are averting, supposedly, including that if someone finds a new one and goes to the Director, he just goes "End of the World? I see one daily so just fix it." in effect.

We're better off unfucking Alaya's jannieforce than doing much manually in any case, and looking out for outside invasions like other Alayas, Beasts or whatever.
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>>4798233
Generally gods are responsible for something, even if they don't do a good job of managing it. And I assume we'll want to do a good job, so the more power we concentrate on ourselves, the less time we'll have for what's actually important. Everything that can possibly be delegated should be delegated.

>>4798235
They seem to be managing fine on their own. We should be the force of final resort, the man you call when you cannot solve the problem by yourself. We pretty much agree, I think.
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>>4798236
>Generally gods are responsible for something,
Depends on how gods work in a given...area? setting?
Something like a Chinese heavens or hells require actual work, while something like a Greek world is more like embodying things but not an active work. I don't think its quite clear cut, but I would rather adventure or have fun than administer local topography or something.

Wandering Sea diplomacy will be interesting given that they are so super isolationist, even metaphysically. They are their own texture, somehow.
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Wait, is Zepia TATARI here? if so, I wonder how the Atlas Contract thing in Case Files changed.
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>>4798251
He is.
WhatIs was planning to make somebody else lead Atlas.
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>>4798239
Even the greekoid gods did some work related to their portfolio. The most diligent among them anyway. Helios drove his chariot, Hades was stuck underground, Hephaestus smithed, etc. We definitely agree RE: fun vs administration.

Wandering Sea will want to be our best friends once they learn what we want to do and that we are very capable of doing it.
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You know, looking back at it now, Lostbelt 3 may have busted the power of the setting more than any other, maybe even past Zeus and Chaos. Writers probably forgot how things would scale, again.
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>>4798319
You could say that for just about anything.
From FSN to FGO. Adding extra things always mess up original structure and all past established interactions.
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>>4798319
Floodgates were opened with Extra and CCC, honestly.
That's when it all started to go wrong.
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Just working on new OP image now. Thread soon.
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>>4798343
I would be 100% okay with it, if it didn't seem like its because the writers didn't think things through, rather than it being a deliberate choice.

Chinese knockoff True Ancestor Yu can make the Fusang Tree blossom into a Fantasy Tree containing a Dimension/galaxy with actual cosmic radiation and gravitation (through xian maybe being bunrei of Fusang Trees? which may be terminals of the Moon Cell or what makes TAs in Worlds without Brunestud like Extra?), what would this say about Arc or anyone who was ever scaled against her in statements?

Oh well.
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>>4798364
>>4798364
>>4798364
>>4798364
>>4798364
And here it is.



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