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The Grail War continues, but you're taking a day off right now despite the danger that keeps trying to seek you out.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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Last Thread: >>4806968
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You'll surprise her, you think. It's almost certainly going to be Sakura, and while there is of course a small chance that it is BB in the shower instead, the clothing folded near the door of the en suite on a set of drawers makes you disregard that potentiality. It's Sakura's outfit, after all, and unless BB is willfully trying to get herself killed by Sakura, then she's not going to have done something like this... you think. Well, you hope, at least. While you don't exactly have a very good relationship with BB, that doesn't mean that you want to see her get herself torn apart, and you have no doubts that the girl wouldn't survive if she did something like pretend to be Sakura.

You take a deep breath before you quietly open up the door to the shower, it's not locked, surprisingly. Then again, it would've been quite silly if the door was locked. Still, with the door unlocked as it is, you sneak inside as quietly as you are capable, relying on your martial skills as much as you can to quieten your movements, every movement you make is perfectly calculated, and you soon manage to enter the shower without being heard by Sakura. She's facing the wall as she showers right now, so she doesn't see nor hear you enter. You almost curse the fact that you had the shower glass designed to be mostly opaque, as you can only see Sakura's vague silhouette behind the glass, though it's almost certainly her.

You don't really know what you should do now. Should you enter the shower with Sakura? Wait for her to leave while she's still naked, or...

"You know you don't have to stand out there, Onii-chan..." Sakura's silhouette is staring directly at you now, and you freeze up. She's... not... surprised? How come? How could she have possibly noticed your entrance?! You were silent! Were you underestimating her awareness again? You suppose that's always possible, you really need to work on your ability to remain undetected, huh? Ever since you gave Ciel her shroud back, your normal skill at sneaking around is showing itself again. Of course, that skill isn't really something that exists at all, at least not on the level that can fool somebody with enhanced senses. Sure, you could easily sneak your way past normal humans, but against anybody else, you're not that great.

"Uh, Sakura! I... Uh... I came in to..." You start wracking your mind for an excuse to give the girl, until you realize... do you even really need to give her an excuse? Sakura obviously wants this, otherwise she wouldn't have made the offer, and... well, you'd be a liar if you said there wasn't a part of you that wanted this as well too, so... would it really be wrong to indulge in your own wants, as well as Sakura's wants?

>Enter the shower with Sakura.
>Make an excuse and leave.
>Write-in...
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>>4813893
>Commence non-sexual bathing scene
>Wash her hair properly and comb it
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>>4813893
>Strip all your clothing and enter the shower with Sakura.
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>>4813893
>Enter the shower with Sakura.
No, it would not be wrong.
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>>4813893
>>Enter the shower with Sakura.
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>>4813893
>I wanted to talk about preparing a dinner for everyone... a feast, in fact, to get everyone comfortable with each other and celebrate our victory over Zolgen
>approach and offer to help her wash and admire her body
Well we came inside for a reason, might as well not backpedal now.
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>>4813893
>>Enter the shower with Sakura.
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>>4813908
>>4813893
Support
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>>4813893
>Enter the shower with Sakura.
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>BB tricks Shinji with Alan's help and cucks everyone by stealing his first time
Now that would be epic
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>>4813893
>>4813908
+1
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>>4813893
>>4813901
>>4813908
Switching
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>>4813918
We'll have to find a way to kill the Crawling Chaos then.

And I am genuinely surprised by the strength of the anti-coomer vote here.
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>>4813923
How is it anti-coomer?
It's just anti-turn-brain-off-and-become-completely-retarded, you still get skinship with Sakura, possibly even THAT.
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>>4813926
How is accepting Sakura's invitation completely retarded, anon?
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>>4813893
>Enter the shower with Sakura.
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>>4813923
desu I want to coom as an average guy but I felt we might as well make conversation while we fondle our (not blood related) sister.
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Now when should I call...
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>>4813932
Call it now, it's time for the shower sex scene
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>>4813929
I don't know anon, the offer to wash and admire seemed like something to do as opposed to doing more. I guess I'm being paranoid about cockblocking ourselves, I of course have nothing against striking a conversation while approaching.

>>4813932
Whenever you think you've drunk enough.
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>>4813893
>>4813908
+1
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>>4813932
Do it
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>>4813936
you're washing a naked girl that wants to fuck you, clearly that's going to lead to something else, if not by (You), then by her
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>>4813893
>>Enter the shower with Sakura.
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>>4813927
Stopping your brain and forgetting everything is
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>>4813932
Take a day off before next update, fix your sleep schedule
For the greater good, you know
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>>4813893
>>4813908
support, lewd can come at night
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It's been like an hour what won?
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>>4813959
Enter the shower
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>>4813959

>Enter the shower with Sakura
>>4813902 (+Strip all your clothing)
>>4813903
>>4813906
>>4813911
>>4813916
>>4813928
>>4813945

>I wanted to talk about preparing a dinner for everyone... a feast, in fact, to get everyone comfortable with each other and celebrate our victory over Zolgen
>approach and offer to help her wash and admire her body
>>4813908
>>4813912
>>4813919
>>4813920
>>4813939
>>4813954
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>>4813964
The implication on the post that specifies taking off all your clothing is hilarious.
That you just wouldn't otherwise.
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>>4813893
Enter the shower with Sakura
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>>4813969
Subvote to enter shower WITH clothes?
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>>4813972
Supporting.
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>>4813972
No. Cockblockers lost
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>>4813969
>>4813972
Do it
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>>4813972
+1
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>>4813972
no
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I can't believe I'm actually writing this.
I need more drink.
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>>4814005
Oh, come on. You've known since yesterday at least. You should've been prepared.

Or you could do a fade to black. We won't judge.
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>>4814005
HAHAHAHAHA
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>>4814010
No, I've already got some of it written.
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>>4814005
>We might actually fuck Sakura
Welp. I was hoping for Medea but Sakura is fine too.
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>>4814005
Is this the first smut you've ever written?
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>>4814017
Yes.
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>>4814013
I hope your liver can take it then.

rofl
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>>4814018
Pastebin it or something, lewds in thread get it deleted
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>>4814018
yk ya didn't actually have to write it, just fade to black
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I'm expecting Nasu tier dialogue QM.
I'm sure you'll do fine.
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>>4814022
You think I'm a pussy?
No, you'll get your h-scene and you'll
Well that's up to you.
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>>4814018
>First for Shinji AND WhatIs.
This is hilarious.
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>>4814018
Either do a fade to black or write the cringiest, Nasu-est piece of porn that has ever seen the light of day.
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>>4814005
You have only yourself to blame.
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Can we expect fast food analogies?
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>>4814028
I can't see it being any worse than Nasu's, and I'm pretty sure it'll be much better.

Or funnier. One of the two.
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Time to think of wacky metaphors and similes.
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>>4814042
Worms
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>>4814043
Worms have been gone for years.
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>>4814042
Kanpai!

>>4814043
That's mean.
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>>4814042
Time to go full Nasu (and also go fully drunk)
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Time to bring popcorn and open /qtg/, this is gonna be great.
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>>4814042
It's not a true Nasu H-scene unless invertebrates get mentioned a few times
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>>4814045
Memory remains or do snakes
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>>4814042
Mollusks

>>4814029
It's like poetry it rhymes

>>4814049
I'm excited personally
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Is there going to be a [Status updated]?
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>>4814042
Jellyfish
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>>4814063
Sakura Makiri
Trimester: First
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>>4814045
>>4814042
GO OPEN UP FATE/STAY NIGHT
GO TO THE H-SCENES
SIT AND READ THEM
NOTE THE NASUISMS
WRITE YOUR OWN H-SCENE
EASY
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>>4814005
>>4814013
>>4814018
>>4814028
Please tell me Shinji cums inside. You NEED the nakadashi, or else it's not a Nasu h-scene
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Yo give me 1d10-2
Average of 4.
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Just thought about something.
Fornication outside of marriage is a sin.
We need a higher power to recognize this union (and any other in the future).

Basically, call YHWH or Nyarly to humblebrag before jamming it in.
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>>4814075
Fun fact: The name for jellyfish in Greek is literally "medusas"

This has been the useless fact for today.

>>4814084
I thought that went without saying.
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Rolled 8 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>4814085
Hopefully I have rolled correctly.
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Rolled 6 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>4814085
What the actual fuck?
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Rolled 3 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>4814085
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1DkBQRQj4

Omedetou, Shinji-kun!
You fucking faggot
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>>4814087
>We need a higher power to recognize this union (and any other in the future).
Does a Mother Goddess count?
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>Sakura finally having sex after a year of restrain
>Worms Rumble got weekend deal discount
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I ASKED FOR MINUS 2
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Rolled 9 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>4814085
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Rolled 5 + 2 (1d10 + 2)

>>4814085
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>>4814096
I guess it does, but I really wanted some advices from based Alan.
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>>4814085
Really? Minus 2? Ik Shinji isn't gonna know what to do but uh... it's Sakura
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>>4814100
How do u do that!
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>>4814100
I wrote "dice+1d10-2", dunno how else to do it.
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7 6 4 1

Average of... 4.5?
Let's round that to 5.


>>4814106
Oh no, I'm not rolling for performance...
Well I suppose in a way I am.
;)
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Rolled 6 (1d10)

roll test
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Rolled 9 - 2 (1d10 - 2)

>>4814107
dice+1d10+-2
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Rolled 3 - 2 (1d10 - 2)

>>4814100
getting minus rolls on this board is really fucking complicated iirc whatis
>>4814085
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>>4814112
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
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Rolled 1 - 2 (1d10 - 2)

>>4814114
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>>4814112
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Rolled 9 - 2 (1d10 - 2)

>>4814114
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>>4814117
Dead end.

Can you check if red font works?
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>>4814118
Does this count as -1?
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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>>4814126
5/8, we'll be fine.

>>4814129
It would if WhatIs hadn't already gotten the rolls he asked for.
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>>4814126
It did not.
>>4814117
How long we last clearly.
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>>4814135
That would have been my first guess, but he said he's not rolling for performance.
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>>4814135
Sakura drained Shinji in 5 mins?
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>>4814139
She's the only one who has more mana than us. Seven grails' worth, thanks to Tiamat. Maybe we drained her, for once?
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It's on the way.
Just finding a decent not pastebin site now...
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>>4814167
That was fast. Did you really drink enough?
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Wow it does not like the pastebin alternative I found.
Hold on...
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>>4814176
You could just post it on Ao3 anonymously
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https://controlc.com/5fc4166d


"I know that you probably didn't just come for... well, what we did..." Sakura blushes, the moment is over now, and she's obviously quite a bit embarrassed about what the two of you got up to in the shower. The realization that the two of you were almost certainly being loud enough in the shower that anybody who might've happened to pass by Sakura's room would've been able to hear.

Sakura quickly guesses that while you were happy to oblige her wish, it wasn't like you actually came to her room looking to see her personally, and you think back to your plan of having her help organize a mighty feast.

>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
>"Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
>"Actually, I was thinking of organizing a feast, but what's the point? I can just order a banquet from a top class restauarant instead."
>Write-in...
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And now also roll me 1d5 five times everyone.
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Rolled 2 (1d5)

>>4814184
this is for people who heard isn't it?
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Rolled 5 (1d5)

>>4814184
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Rolled 3 (1d5)

>>4814184
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Wait why did I ask for 1d5?
I meant 1d2 5 times.
Oops.
Sorry, the uh.
Alcohol.
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Rolled 2, 2, 3, 5, 4 = 16 (5d5)

>>4814184
1d5 or 5d5?
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Rolled 3 (1d5)

>>4814184
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>4814190
oh boy, Tiamat is hard at work
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>4814190
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>4814190
quintuplets
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>4814190
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>4814190
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3b2g
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Also there is a vote you need to vote on as well.
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>>4814181
I'm not entirely clear on implications of the first two replies btw... I take if first means we'll be cooking as well, means time off our schedule at some point. Can we still take kids to Argo beforehands?
I guess the second means we leave it to Sakura to manage.

How big is our kitchen, i.e. how many people can pitch in?
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>her soft and gentle hands rub your already erect cock like a particularly affectionate owner might rub a cat.
My favorite simile by far.
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>>4814202
Very good. We'll have to come up with name ideas as well.
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>>4814202
>three boys and two girls
Broodmother.
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>>4814207
First is you'll cook as well, yes.
Your kitchen is basically a high class restaurant kitchen.
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>>4814210
Our first born son will be named Shirou to honor our best friend
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>and her grip on your cock gets just a little bit tighter as she moans, like the talons of an eagle gripped around a slug, the mollusk completely defenseless in the grip of the seasoned predator.
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Anyway, we should ask Emiya and Shirou for help with the cooking as well.
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>>4814218
I'm not a bird scientist but I'm pretty sure eagles don't eat slugs
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>>4814181
Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
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>>4814223
Sorry, but alcohol
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>>4814202
We really should have realized we were rolling for number of kids. I guess we made it up to her for almost making her cry earlier.

>>4814208
Defenseless mollusk for me, with the tits as snail's shell a close second.

Anon was right, you should have fit in a tits soft like jellyfish somewhere in there.

>>4814216
Support
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>>4814223
They do, also waiting to read this till after church service. Do we actually penetrate her?
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>>4814229
5 kids anon
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>>4814229
We rolled for sex of the kids m8
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>>4814229
I thought they ate like squirrels and shit, and we finished inside her yes
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>>4814181
>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
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Could have used fiction.live or questionable questing for smut scenes.
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>>4814235
Cool
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>>4814226
Honestly this was pretty good, it was cute and wholesome
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>>4814181
>>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
Would be fun to cook with all our friends.
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>>4814181
>>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
Finally, Shinji’s no longer a virgin
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>>4814181
>>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
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>>4814181
>Hug and kiss your sisterwife. There's nothing to be embarrassed about.
>"Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
>"But don't do everything by yourself, I don't want you getting too tired."
>Kiss her again for goodbye. Things to do, unfortunately.
Right, there's a vote too.

>>4814255
Oh, yes. It was great. Eat your heart out, Nasu!
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>>4814181
>>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."

Alright, I guess this will cut into our budget more than alternatives but it is a nice opportunity for more characters to interact with each other.

Also, about Argo... is it safer in wherever it is now, or somewhere out in the seas? We at least have some bounded fields and a lot of Servants, but how well is Jason's crew defended from attacks?
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>>4814266
It would be safest if we had it brought to our yard. Alcides could probably pick it up by himself.
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>>4814246
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>>4814235
The fucking bloat is real damn it!
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I dread the response but... did you like the H-scene?
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>>4814274
What were you expecting?
You had unprotected sex with a girl housing a Mother Goddess.
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>>4814255
>>4814276
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>>4814276
Just suggest you could use Fiction.live or questionable questing. I don't know if that would have been easier for you.
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Hopefully broken Rin didn't hear that inside of Eresh.

Also will dragon mother have an effect in the children?
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>>4814181
>"Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
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>>4814278
Ok but condoms clearly aren't gonna work cause half a dozen girls are gonna poke holes in them
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>>4814276
Yeah, I rubbed one out just for you.
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>>4814276
It was meh, the only smut from a quest that I’ve ever actually liked would be from Beyond the Gate
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>>4814276
It was fine but very wholesome.
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>>4814293
Well, I consider not being fantastic at H-scenes to be a mark of pride.
I can't believe it took 38 threads though.
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>>4814274
We always wanted many kids.

>>4814276
Why would you dread the response for such a great scene? I loved it, it was both cute and had the appropriate nasuisms. You have a talent, it's a good thing you'll get to use it often here. ;)
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>>4814274
NOOOO NOT THE CHARACTER BLOAT!!!
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>>4814298
When did you expect it
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>>4814298
>Well, I consider not being fantastic at H-scenes to be a mark of pride.
I have some bad news for you then.

>I can't believe it took 38 threads though.
That's what you get for encouraging haremfaggotry. :)
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>>4814299
We want kids but now and this many? 1-2 fine but five. Also is this going to happen each year MC has sex? There is 13 women in the harem and if this holds Shinji is going to have a village.
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>>4814181
>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."

>>4814276
Very nice
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>>4814278
What traits will they inherit?

How big a nursery are we going to need?

>>4814276
It was quite adorable.

I personally felt the terms got a bit crude (tits, cock, as worst offenders) for the theme of the scene which was first lovemaking of the couple.
however as you by your admission felt you need to get drunk for that, I'd say you pulled the task off admirably
also I didn't play the eroge so my benchmark is off
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>>4814320
>also I didn't play the eroge so my benchmark is off
Eroge calls Sakura an educated prostitute.
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>>4814315
Yes, and?

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it
It's in the bible, we have to do as God asked.
>>
Honestly sex scenes are a lot like fight scenes, usually the choreography isn't what makes it, it's the emotion and reason why it's happening in the first place. Kirei vs Shirou isn't a technically good battle, but it's one of the most memorable because it's the final fight between two opposites standing against each other at the end of the world
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>>4814326
Also Rin has a defenseless anus
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>Around twenty more kids by September
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>>4814315
> Also is this going to happen each year MC has sex?
Sakura has Tiamat inside of her and Tiamat has passively altered aspects of her body.
Sakura is pretty much the only one with this trait.
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>>4814326
Poor Sakura. But that's probably just borked translation... right?

>>4814334
That one is kind of hilarious desu
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>>4814341
>Poor Sakura. But that's probably just borked translation... right?
Somebody post the collage.
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>>4814315
Patriarch Shinji. With offspring as numerous as the grains of sand in the desert, or the stars in the sky.
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>>4814340
So expect five children Everytime there is an H scene with Sakura.
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>>4814341
>borked translation
I admire your optimism.

>>4814345
Shit, I can't find it.

>>4814351
Not for the next nine months. And we rolled, we had a 20% chance of no kids.
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>>4814298
That's what you get for cockblocking shotacons
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>>4814338
Is Sakura gonna have to drop out of school cause she's a teenage mother in Japan now?
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>>4814345
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>>4814181
Calling in 5
Somebody tally please.
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>>4814362
>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
This wins.
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>>4814356
We were planning on having her drop out and come with us to the clocktower next year anyway.

Though the kids will be born in November, there's no way we can leave a pregnant Sakura behind. Looks like we'll have to delay, I'm sorry for arguing against you anons.

>>4814365
5 mins aren't up, anon.
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>>4814338
Honey, I am just getting cigs brb
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>>4814362
Gochu senpai

>"Sakura, I actually wanted to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over."
>>4814244
>>4814257
>>4814258
>>4814262
>>4814266
>>4814319

>"Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
>>4814224
>>4814287

>Hug and kiss your sisterwife. There's nothing to be embarrassed about.
>"Well, I wanted to know if you'd be alright organizing the cooking for everyone tonight. I want it to be a feast, after all."
>"But don't do everything by yourself, I don't want you getting too tired."
>Kiss her again for goodbye. Things to do, unfortunately.
>>4814265

Overwhelming support for spending more time cooking with our sisterwife and our friends!
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>>4814367
Could just stay for a year in Fuyuki and plan everything out then head off to Clock Tower
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>>4814377
Finally another timeskip.
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>>4814377
I was arguing hard for us to head to the Clocktower next September in a few months, but a year of preparation is the minimum now. Probably more than that.
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>>4814378
>>4814381
Gives us an excuse to relationship build, plan world domination and training
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>>4814374
Sakura, Shinji and Shirou cooking time!
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>>4814315
>>4814351
Just make a vote for abortion, I'm sure it will go well with everyone!
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>>4814393
Our pregnant sisterwife and our firstborn kids are more than an excuse anon, but yes. We'll have to make the time now.

I should have thought of that during those discussions. It was inevitable.

>>4814395
picrel just for you
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Wow this quest really blew up since the last time i came to this board.
Last time i read this Kiritsugu disappeared, what happened to Shirou?
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>>4814400
Shirou is plowing Saber right about now
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>>4814407
nice
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>>4814400
Oh, wow, you've been gone for a while anon. Long story short, we helped Shirou become a not-shitty magus, he reconciled with Illya early on in the war, got engaged to Saber yesterday, they're currently attached at the hip, and we put Kiritsugu back in his body earlier today after Acht had put his soul into a teddy bear and given it to Illya as a gift. The Emiya family is currently catching up.
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>>4814410
thanks for the summary. Interesting looks like i'll need to catch up then
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>>4814394
And Medea and Tamamo if they done found Amethyst yet.
Maybe Satsuki?
Maybe Ciel, Karna and EMIYA if they get leave of sniper duty?
And the maids?
Maybe BB can be getting in the way?
Would Nero want to participate or taste test?
What about Suzuka?
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>>4814413
Definitely.
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>>4814409
We also gave Shirou every weapon in Type Moon up to December 2020 I think. He used Slash Emperor in a DEAD END to kill the superboss
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>>4814413
You definitely do.

>>4814417
Oh right, yes. I forgot we accidentally downloaded the wiki on him.
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Someone should post some pictures of sakura pregnant
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>>4814414
It's a good excuse to get to know everyone, we should call in Karna and EMIYA
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>>4814394
Only people who's names start with S are allowed.
SSSSS feast!
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>>4814420
There are surprisingly few of them.
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Quintessential Quintuplets but they’re dragonborn
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>>4814426
That's all I had, actually, so have a bride Sakura instead.
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>>4814399
>We'll have to make the time now.
we are cool
uncle Alberich we drop them kids and needy broads into INS and we are good to go for some magical school adventures
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>>4814419
Also i remember some people really going for the illya route, is she part of the harem?
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>>4814441
She's 99/100, she may as well be
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>>4814441
She'll be part of it
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>>4814441
The illyafags have mostly disappeared, with a few prominent exceptions. It'd be too weird to have her part of the harem when she looks about as young as some of our daughters and so we haven't made any moves.
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>>4814447
True but she is older than us and doesn't actually have the mind of a child, she's mostly traumatized and stunted, she's mature when she wants to be. I'm not particularly interested in her but if Illyafags want her I won't stand in her way, I'm not an asshole that's gonna sabotage an anon and their waifu
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Can you believe that threads post-hiatus have occured 3x faster?
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>>4814447
>It'd be too weird to have X part of the harem
Ever the optimist IHIHIHIHI
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>>4814454
Yeah it's weird, you'd expect things to slow down but they kinda ramped up
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>>4814451
I don't want to have to explain to Betty why we're french-kissing the girl she thinks is her age or younger. And she might be older, but her childhood was rather lacking. I'd prefer if we let her enjoy a renewed childhood with her newfound family, and revisited the question in a few years.

>>4814455
More and more optimistic as this day goes by, I admit. It was touch and go for a while, but we seemed to have managed.
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>>4814455
Man this is such a fun game
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>>4814460
>Illya is an adult sweetie, some adults look small, look at Shuten
Damn that was hard
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>>4814463
Illya really looks like a child, anon.
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>>4814463
My wife looked like a loli so I see nothing wrong with it
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>>4814462
I was wondering if any anons recognize this cute and helpful fairy!
I wish she would prepare some nice and wholesome activities for Shinji and friends.

>>4814467
Sounds like a you problem.
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>>4814496
She doesn't look like a child to you?
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>>4814496
I'm playing through the first game after hearing about the last DLC
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oh god what was that H scene, my fucking sides.
I wish it was longer.
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>>4814426
There quite few pictures of nasuverse girl pregnant, its a shame.
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>>4814501
Source
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>>4814500
I personally don't care.
Any romance with illya will probably depends of her at this point.
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>>4814516
Black Souls and Black Souls 2, there are a lot of H scenes but like Nausverse VNs, they're just there to bait you into playing the game
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>>4814505
So do I, illyafren, but there's always next time.

>>4814515
It really is. Sakura would be a perfect mother, both pregnancy and kids suit her. There should be more pics of those.

I'm beginning to consider commissioning something.

>>4814520
Of course you don't care, and I agree a romance depends on her. But I'm saying that A) her looks make it weird, and B) it'll be better for her if she has some happy childhood family with her father, brother (and mother when we pull her out of the grail) before she jumps into a romantic relationship. I'm not saying no to Illya, I'm saying wait. There's no rush, is there?
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>>4814539
>I'm beginning to consider commissioning something.
I wish i was rich, i would pay for so much art that it would be stupid.

>her looks make it weird,
Shinji does not care.
> it'll be better for her if she has some happy childhood family with her father, brother (and mother when we pull her out of the grail) before she jumps into a romantic relationship
I hardly see why she can't have both? Its not like we are going to kidnap her and imprison her in a tower or something.
But it depends of her, so i'm just waiting.
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>>4814516
Soulslike RPGM H-game with terrible but unique art for h-scenes, which you will learn to enjoy eventually.
Its story and characters are inspired by classic fairy tales, H.P.L. and Alice in Wonderland.
It's a gripping experience full of SOUL.
picrel


>>4814501
Playing again or 1st playthrough?
also more black boxes in a true BS discussion fashion


>>4814500
Prillya lolis don't really look like kids to me, more like small women, but not quite. It's its own thing.
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>>4814548
Prillya looks like a 11-12 year old.
it depends a lot of the artstyle.
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>>4814542
>i'm just waiting.
And I'm not really asking for anything else.

>>4814548
That's weird, I really can't see them as anything but kids.
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>>4814554
>That's weird, I really can't see them as anything but kids.
Prillya lolis look like kids, i guess its because some of the anime art makes then with too long legs or something.
The manga art don't have that problem.
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Illya likely can learn how to shapeshift. She always hated being compared to children but wants an older brother. That never made sense to me. Make up your mind godamn it!
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>>4814571
Well Archer is older than her so LOOPHOLE
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>>4814571
I hate to disappoint you man, but Illya isn't exactly... stable. Acht's upbringing did a number to her.

>>4814578
Did you not notice WhatIs saying he started drinking to write his latest masterpiece? Combined with his sleep deprivation, I'm surprised we're getting another update today at all.
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>>4814578
No, update imminent.
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"Well, Sakura, I actually came to your bedroom to ask you if you wouldn't mind helping me cook up a feast for everyone to get to know each other over a little later on. In a few hours, I mean, I want to take the kids out to see the Argonauts first." You are genuinely wondering just what it is that Jason has been getting up to without any supervision from Illya. Despite his personality not being the greatest for a hero, you don't think that Jason is about to bail on Illya, and especially not on Alcides. In fact, it might be an idea to go and see Jason with Alcides, the friendship that the two share is one of the things that makes Jason a person who is more tolerable to be around. Especially with Alcides retaining his sanity and taking the form of a human.

"Oh, cooking together? That sounds... wonderful, Onii-chan." Sakura has a gentle smile on her face as she looks at you, her hair still soaked from the shower. "I'll be more than happy to cook for everyone together with you. But, it's not going to be easy, to cook for everyone... so we might have to enlist the help of Shirou, and maybe Rin too... and anybody else who wants to help cook. I'm sure there are at least a few of the people who've started to follow you around who can cook." Well, that's probably true. You also know for a fact that Gilgamesh should have a multitude of cooking tools that are the cheat weapons of the culinary world. You're not sure if you'll be able to persuade him to loan them to you though.

"Great! I'm glad that you're happy to help, Sakura." You lean over and kiss Sakura one final time and run your hand through her still damp but still incredibly soft hair. Sakura is sitting on her bed now... huh, you wonder just why the two of you decided to spend so long with each other in the shower when it would've almost certainly been more comfortable for the two of you to do it on the bed... oh well, you can always do that next time, you suppose. Which knowing how much stamina the two of you turned out to have, may very well end up being tonight! Though it's unlikely that it will be tonight, honestly. If Medea or Tamamo or even Satsuki overheard you and Sakura in the shower, then it's highly probably that they would demand to be next... Potentially, at least. You can't really say for sure, but you feel like things might be getting quite a bit interesting for you in the future...
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You leave Sakura to make herself decent, your own seaweed like hair was dried quite quickly with the somewhat careless use of rune magecraft. Now all you need to do is find the kids and ask them if they want to go see an actual cat girl who loves children way way too much. Seriously, Atalanta's desire to protect children goes a few steps above being admirable and kind of descends into being delusional and unhealthy... But still kind of admirable at the same time. She might not be the smartest person, but she's unshakable in her views. Of course, that does lead to her going berserk sometimes, when somebody does something against her views. Still, you have no intention of ever making an enemy of Atalanta. The woman is very much somebody you feel you will be able to get along with quite well. Or at least you hope so. It all depends on what the hell Jason is doing right now. Though Medea hasn't specifically mentioned him doing something idiotic, and you imagine she's been keeping eyes on him like a hawk, just looking for a reason to kill him, or at least get him in trouble. Her hatred of the man is intense, after all.

You walk through the corridors of your home, looking to return to the lounge to see the kids. On the way there, Shuten passes you in the hall, and you really really don't like the smirk she gives you. Seriously, you don't know if she's doing it just because she's who she is and she felt like doing so, or if she's doing it because she overheard you and Sakura... Hopefully if it is the latter, it's only because of her superior hearing she has as an Oni that allowed her to pick up on what you were getting up to with Sakura...

You try to put Shuten out of your mind as you enter the lounge, looking at the game the kids are playing... It looks like Betty is playing against Alítheia in Street Fighter III. The girls seem to be too focused on the game to notice your entrance, and you watch to see the two girls manage to end the game in a draw, of all things. A double KO. The two seem to be perfectly matched, in regards to Street Fighter at least. Just before they start the next round, you cough to reveal your presence, and the girls soon start to swarm around you. Thank goodness they were apparently all too distracted to have overheard you and Sakura. It would've been far too embarrassing if they had overheard. Rin and Olga are still with the rest of the girls, though they mostly just appear baffled by the games that the other girls have all picked up really easily.

"Papa!" Alítheia if always happy to see you, and the rest of the girls share her attitude. Rin and Olga still seem a little apprehensive, but they seem to have started to warm up to the rest of the girls, at least.

As you head-pat all your daughters, you begin to think. Sure, you're going to be taken them all with you, obviously, but should you take anybody else with you?

>Yes, take... (Who?)
>No, you'll just keep this as an outing with the girls.
>Write-in...
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>>4814603
Take illya as well
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>>4814603
>>No, you'll just keep this as an outing with the girls.
Honestly I see Atalanta tagging along so let's just keep it like this
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>>4814603
>Yes, take... (Who?)
>Alcides and Nobu
Shinji thought why we'd want Alcides. Nobu for overwatch, Tesla's still out there, and because she'd enjoy seeing modern Japan and the harbor.

>>4814609
Illya's only very recently reunited with her father for the first time in a decade. Let's not interrupt them.
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>>4814603
>>4814614
and put the bracelet back on if not specified
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>>4814603
>>4814614
+1.
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>>4814586
>Update within 10 minutes
I'm somewhat of an expert on this.
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Will Alcides be forced to job again due to plot and being captured again?

Maybe Ilya should come so we have a vore Morrigan option
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>>4814611
>>4814603
>>Yes, take... (Alcides)
Swithcing to this, I forgot about Alcides, he probably wants to reunite with the gang
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>>4814603
Supporting >>4814614 & >>4814617
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>>4814603
backing >>4814614, just Alcides and Nobu is fine. I can imagine Nobu saying something about the youth of Japan being the seeds for the future and need good education, or some progressive cool shit like that
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>>4814603
Adding >>4814617 to my vote at >>4814614

>>4814617
We'll have to figure out a better way to remember that thing.

>>4814621
Why do you assume we'll stand and fight Morrigan with our daughters right there with us? And Illya's with Kerry and Shirou, let's not interrupt them.
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>>4814617
oh fuck, we need the bracelet on too
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>>4814599
>You're not sure if you'll be able to persuade him to loan them to you though.
We can set aside a part of the kitchen for him if he wants to prepare something for Ayaka, no?

>Yes, take... (Who?)
I forget, is Alcides in house or on Argo at this time? Maybe Illya too if she wants to check on her Servant. Though she's probably still catching up with dad.

Jason deserves some slack for his part in dealing with Ishtar.
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>>4814637
Yeah, I don't imagine Gil saying no to his second best friend who wants to prepare a feast for his best friend and his girl, among others.

Alcides should be in the house if Shinji's thinking of taking him. Otherwise we'll just go with Nobu. I really doubt Illya will want to leave Kerry for the foreseeable future.

We definitely have to convince Medea not to kill him.
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>>4814603
>On the way there, Shuten passes you in the hall, and you really really don't like the smirk she gives you.
Shuten is next and/or she’s gonna tell people what we were doing for an hour straight
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>>4814603
>Street Fighter III
But which of our kids will be the one into the cool and kino games, such as Half-Life 1, GTA San Andreas, Castlevania, Silent Hill 2, F-Zero GX, Jak and Daxter, Deus Ex, Jet Set Radio, Goldeneye, Spiderman 2, Megaman Battle Network, Armored Core, Timesplitters, the Harry Potter 1-3 games, Mortal Kombat... just to name a few?
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>>4814648
We'll groom Betty into that. I think she'd like HL
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>>4814653
She'd definitely find the headcrabs adorable.
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>>4814656
Yeah imagine a giant Lamar summon
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>>4814660
Except he wouldn't be defanged.
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>>4814632
ah nvm then.

Its not that we'd choose to stay and fight, its in case we're forced to.
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>>4814661
Or those freaky black headcrabs
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>>4814664
Alcides and Nobu will buy us the time to call for a teleport.

Did you just happen to come in right on time for the visit to the Argo, or were you lurking during the time of COOM.

And a bit of autism planning: How do we blackout the city tonight? Send Chiyome to the power plant with some specific instructions, ask Raiga for a favor, or something else I can't think of?
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>>4814667
Just woke up, got here right before this update.

Now heading out for the day, Mondays are busy so probably won't be around till much later
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>>4814675
Ah, lucky timing then.

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about having the kids dab on Castor.
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Calling in 15.
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>>4814686
I love our Wendy's chef
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Isn't Nobu already on overwatch? Why take her it just puts her in a bad position. Archers can survey and attack from their sniper perch.
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>>4814691
Line of sight. The Archers' vision will get obstructed by other buildings if all of them stay in the mansion.
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>>4814686
And what won?
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>>4814704
You did
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>>4814704

>>4814614 together with >>4814617
or
>Yes, take... (Who?)
>Alcides and Nobu
>and put the bracelet back on if not specified
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Dead quest
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>>4814742
Good thing we got Ereshkigal from stranger to melting over course of like five minutes then.
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>>4814742
You got your coom scene, what more do you want?
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>>4814751
Batman? I imagine he'd like to capture Joker again.
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>>4814751
Gotta catch them all
>>4814754
He's fucking Robin atm I believe
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You know, this is a little bit late, but how do you want to get to the Argo?
Teleport?
Public Transport?
Walk?
You've got too many people with you for a car.
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>>4814772
Walk
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>>4814772
Walk
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>>4814751
More coom, I imagine.
Enough coom that it would spontaneously ignite a fusion chain reaction, then blow prematurely and have the resulting planetary nebula coalesce into a coom elemental that would traverse the multiverse, leaving behind a trail of broken dreams and shattered hopes.
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>>4814772
>Public Transport
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>>4814772
Make a mental note to buy a school bus and walk.
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>>4814782
Preferably a short bus
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>>4814772
Teleport

We should've thought to buy a minivan.
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>>4814772
Teleport.
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>>4814772
Teleport.
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>>4814784
Well I mean we could buy a new one every year or so but why not buy one that will last at least five?
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>>4814791
>he doesn't get it
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>>4814791
We're one of the richest men on the planet, what are you worried for?
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>>4814772
Invisible Alitheia (dragon form)
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Also fuck normies for keeping Alitheia from freely flying through the skies.
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>>4814793
>tfw googled it
ooooh-kay... well maybe TWO buses? I mean, think of the children!
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>>4814803
We could finance a children's movie about a dragon girl going on adventures and tell the media Alitheia is a super advanced animatronic blimp made for marketing purposes.
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>>4814811
That's... so fucking retarded it might work.
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>>4814803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMTIB2SIO9E&t=168s
>Mighty and glorious
>She flies through the emerald skies

>Magic dragon
>Casting a spell on the mountains
>Covering wizards in glory
>Flying through majestic skies
>Searching for mighty power
>To defeat ultimate evil
>Ride on the wings of a dragon
>Flying through majestic skies
>Questing for the steel

Give it time anon. The queen of Dragons will be soaring through the skies in just a few years.

>>4814811
We'll be taking over the world in about 5 years, the movie is kinda a waste of effort.
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>dragon queen of Truth
>father is Megalomaniac of Truth
How the hell are we going to find a suitable husband for Alitheia?
Is she destined to be an eternal spinster?
No, incest is banned in this case you sick fucks
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>>4814841
>incest is banned
We should ask her mother about that, anon.
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>>4814845
do as i say not as i do
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>>4814845
>Sakurautist approves of incest now
Based.
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>>4814860
>now
Anon, I've approved since day 1 of the quest.
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>>4814860
what do you think we just did with Sakura
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>>4814845
Sakura is not blood related to Shinji.

However, Alitheia is literally born of Shinji's blood.
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>>4814870
her body was literally changed to be a Matou, she's related to us
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It's a draw between walking and teleporting.
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NBR, doesn't count!

Oh God, someone needs to stop this Seaweed Menace.
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>>4814873
Let’s walk
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>>4814870
A) this >>4814872
B) Alitheia has our blood but she wasn't born, if you want to split hairs
C) Who cares anyway?

>>4814873
Took you a while to notice
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>>4814870
Alítheia is also a dragon. Dragon's have shit like their lungs being their own "spiritual worlds" as per Elizabeth's thing, and she's not even really a true dragon.

They are phantasmal and weird as fuck.
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>>4814872
Well if you want to play that card, Shinji's body was changed to an even greater deal than Sakura's body was changed when you became a gestalt being.
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>>4814873
Teleport

>>4814877
Based
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>>4814873
I'll vote then
>teleport

Imagine walking as a Dragon Rider
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>>4814880
We're still half Shinji
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Are we seriously now discussing justification for fucking our daughter that was literally born like what, two days ago?

Ah the irony of sphering.
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>>4814845
>wooing Mordred is grooming
>marrying daughter created from your blood who's been raised by you since her birth is totally ok
Sakurafag, I...
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>>4814890
Yeah, stop doing that.
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>>4814890
>fucking our daughter
What? Ewww, fuck no anon. What the fuck are you thinking? We're discussing the appropriateness of our daughter marrying one or more of our sons.
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>>4814890
i thought we were talking about our bio son with Sakura what the fuck dude, no we're not gonna fuck our daughter
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>>4814893
I just realized I've been having a different discussion with you all...

I swear the thought never crossed my mind!
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>>4814901
Not sure if clever or innocent...

Good, for a moment I thought this was a Rance thread.
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>>4814895
>>4814899
That's not really better at all desu.
And personally I'd have avoided doing this to Sakura but whatever.
And I'm sure this discussion will be revisited once the quest reaches the point where Alitheia grows into puberty.
>inb4 you naive optimist
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>>4814907
A little too late for that, anon. Like it or not, we've set an example.

Personally, I like it.
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>>4814907
>Alitheia goes into tantrum over Shinji not spending enough time with her mothers
>Australia becomes new Atlantis

>>4814913
>there is no man good enough for my daughteru
>I'll have to raise such a man myself
Based. Doesn't even have to be BR son.
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I feel like everyone is kinda forgetting that Shirou and Saber are gonna have kids eventually
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Why are we discussing hooking up our daughter with out son. It's Alitheia choice not ours.
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>>4814929
I certainly didn't, but how many kids are they gonna have? 1? 2? 5? We have more already.
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>>4814933
Of course it is anon. No one said otherwise.
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You could've taken Stheno and Euryale and had Atalanta try to kill the male Argonauts.
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>>4814929
Nah, I definitely want to bond Emiya and Makiri household.
There will be at least 10 year difference though, supposing they get a son now.
Nice.

>>4814933
The man has to earn father's approval though.
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>>4814944
thinking about it we should've taken Medusa or Nero honestly
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Incidentally, it's a given that our firstborn son will be named Shirou, but we should start thinking of potential names for our other two sons and two daughters.
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>>4814944
That's not funny.
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>>4814951
Think you mean that's not cunny
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>>4814944
Speaking of Medusa's sisters, we should probably check up on them when we get back, the schedule's already fucked. Literally.
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>>4814950
>name them after namefags ITT
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>>4814951
Neither is keeping the Gorgon Sisters in the attic.
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>>4814948
>The man has to earn father's approval though.
Well, if Alitheia wants to elope in a decade, there won't be much we'll be able to do to stop her. But I can't imagine her falling in love with some NPC.
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>>4814948
>There will be at least 10 year difference though
what's the age difference between Shirou and Saber again?
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>>4814965
Or between us and Medea?
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>>4814950
our firstborn daughter will be named Shiki to honor our other best friends
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>>4814960
We can buy them computers and they can set up a twitch studio there.
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>>4814960
They deserve it though.

What's the time? Sun's position? Praise Alan?
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>>4814960
i feel bad now that we forgot to mention Medusa, its Medusa and Nero when we go shopping
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>>4814971
The stars are right.
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>>4814950

>Zolgen and Kariya for boys
>Touko and Aoko for the girls

just kidding.
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>>4814965
Yeah, but you don't want to wait until your daughters become cakes, right?
I was thinking of marrying them to a 12 year old boy. Hopefully less degenerate than clocks in Shirou's mind.
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If I had to pull a number from the aeither.
Let's say that it's 1pm
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>>4814980
Kariya is actually a interesting idea.
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>>4814981
Sakura's interlude kinda had her theorize that Alitheia is gonna stay a little girl for quite a while
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>>4814970
Won't exist for another 7 years.
I'm pretty sure that you already created Youtube though.
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>>4814969
No. We don't want Ryougi's attention. I might be partial to Shiki for a boy, but it might be bad luck.

>>4814977
We'll have to visit her and fix her sisters first, she's not leaving the attic otherwise.

>>4814979
Praise Nyarly! God REALLY needs to up his offer soon.

>>4814980
I admit I thought about Kariya, but he's a shitter even if he tried. A tombstone's enough for him.
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>>4814980
Hey. Kariya tried!
He failed horribly and went nuts, but he did try!
We should probably put up a grave for him or something.
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>>4814984
don't know about that, he wasn't the best person, he tried doing the right things for the wrong reasons and ended up giving Rin and Sakura's mom brain damage
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>>4814990
Naming anyone Kariya is like cursing them directly.
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>>4814993
>We should probably put up a grave for him or something.
kinda feel bad we didn't do this early, chalk it up to not fully finishing his and our business with Zouken, now he can rest
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>>4814983
So we'll be returning from the Argo just in time for lunch. Excellent.

>>4814995
Yeah, pretty much.

>>4814996
I'm pretty sure we just didn't think about it until after the war began. But yeah, he'd be happy if the root hadn't eaten his soul. We killed Zouken, we saved Sakura, AND we're fucking Aoi's daughter, just like he would have wanted.
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>>4814994
To be honest, I dunno how much of that was regular Kariya, and how much was the worms and handling Berserker.
He was selfish sure, but in the FGO Zero event he chose saving Sakura over revenge on Tokiomi and a chance at Aoi. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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>>4815000
>AND we're fucking Aoi's daughter
pretty soon we'll be fucking both of her daughters

>>4814990
>No. We don't want Ryougi's attention
???
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>>4815003
i kinda agree but he still gave Rin and Sakura's mom brain damage in this timeline, it wouldn't be right naming one of our kids after him even if he wasn't in his right mind
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>>4815003
Didn't he have to be essentially coerced and persuaded to do so?
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>>4815005
Watch Kara no Kyoukai, anon. The movies are great.

But tl;dr version, Shiki Ryougi has a more powerful version of Shiki Tohno's eyes of Death perception. She can cut through even immaterial objects like magic or even a future prediction. And she has an alternate personality inside her who has a direct connection to the Root and thus is omipotent, but is usually content to just slumber. We DO NOT want to mess with her.

Touko might be able to provide an introduction though. She was her and her husband's employer a few years ago.
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>>4814993
Damn, now I feel bad for Kariya and Kayneth.
Those idiots didn't deserve it.
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>>4815012
He was just put in a bad situation by Kirei. He strangled Aoi on his own after she thought he'd killed Tokiomi. The worms had eaten his mind by this point, but no one told him to do it.
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>>4815015
>a direct connection to the Root and thus is omipotent, but is usually content to just slumber. We DO NOT want to mess with her.
Literally the exact same deal as Manaka. Her Omnipotence is just that she can 'do anything', she's not actually omnipotent.
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>>4815017
>Kariya
Me too. A tombstone to honor him is justified, but we should ask Sakura what she thinks of him before. We never talked to her about him, and we don't even know if she hates him.
>Kayneth
Fucking why?
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>>4815015
It's not really that her Eyes themselves are different, but her brain/origin/body are different.
Since she was born with the [ ] Origin and essentially stillborn and had to have Ryougi arts done to her for her other two personalities to be born and her body to be alive.

MeoDP depends on how/what you can comprehend, and she has a better compatibility with concepts/weird shit, while Nanaya/Tohno is better at killing living things.

R.Shiki can cut Araya's weird space room and ghosts, while N.Shiki got his eyes amidst a massacre and dying but being brought back and his Pure Eyes turned.
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>>4815015
yeah but that has nothing to do with naming our daughter Shiki

>>4815023
fun fact, Taiga is as skilled as Shiki in swordplay
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>>4815018
No, I mean in the other Zero event, Accel Order. Where Iskander basically had to kidnap Sakura and go "You can have her and leave or you can try having your revenge" and he was mighty tempted to still go for revenge over Sakura.
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>>4815019
I thought she doesn't have Manaka's shitty circuits, and so she has fewer limitations. Was I wrong?

>>4815023
Yeah, but we're getting a bit carried away from a tl;dr version for someone who has no idea. I didn't even mention the male personality.
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>>4815025
Yeah, and Shiki with sword hypnotism was beating Araya.
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>>4815030
She doesn't even have ANY circuits. Her Eyes are also a Pure Eyes variant that got turned, like Tohno's iirc.

She has some kind of weird instinct/precognition that Touko says isnt how actual precog should work even for psychics and can jump/run gigafast enough to dodge explosions point blank in the Mirai Fukuin, but I think thats just a weirdness like T.Shiki blitzing Arc and Chaos.
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>>4815025
She's named Shiki, and you're proposing naming our daughter Shiki. [Shiki] knows everything, and she may become interested enough to wake up. We can find another name.

>>4815026
Is this an FGO thing?
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>>4815030
Manaka's not even really that limited by her circuits, it's just that she can't do truly completely ridiculous things like break quantum time locks with her normal level of strength because she can't overpower the World under normal circumstances.
But she's capable of taming a Beast and easily overpowering Byrnhildr.
Pretty sure that Paracelcus says she's stronger than APEX at one point too.
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>>4815022
Agreed on the Kariya thing. We'll do it after Manaka.
On Kayneth... I guess because he was an idiot in over his head?
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>>4815035
It is an FGO thing, and I think it makes sense with his character.
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>>4815026
He did choose Sakura over revenge in the end though. He was pretty fucked up at that point.
But I can see why you'd think otherwise.
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>>4815022
Kerry did him dirty. Kayneth didn't deserve that after being broken already.
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And to think that Nasu once stated that Void Shiki could only fight Servants in a defensive battle. Lmao.
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>>4815051
Nasu says some dumb fucking shit sometimes, apparently Ciel can fight defensively against servants but gets beat by Zero Kirei, this is the same girl that can give Arc a run for her money if prepared
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>>4815054
>Ciel can fight defensively.
Pretty sure that got retconned to Ciel just being able to straight up fight Servants.
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>>4815036
>She claims restructuring the laws governing atomic matter, going back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, and reconstructing the orders and laws of the world would be easy for her to accomplish. It is not actually changing the existing world, but instead annihilating the old world with a new world
I don't think Manaka could do that, could she? And I may have misunderstood something about Manaka's circuits then, I thought she wanted the Beast so she could overcome those limitations.

>>4815041
Kayneth got what he deserved.

>>4815044
Yeah, as described it's certainly consistent with his character in Zero. He was about as much interested in saving Sakura as using this to finally fuck Aoi.

>>4815051
Fucking Nasu
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>>4815057
which makes the Kirei statement even more absurd
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>>4815057
Most statements I can finagle around, the one that confused me the most is but Gae Bolg would RIP Arcueid. Doesn't this mean Lugh and Odin would absolutely kill her, which. . . well.

Comptiq - October 2005 - Fate Dojo

"Q : This is a question pertaining to the comparison between Servants and characters from other works [that featured] in the September issue.
The subject is the matter of the [hypothetical] Servant that bears the average Noble Phantasm. Speaking in the context of the main story, what is the approximate Rank of the Noble Phantasm borne, and who would approach that?

A : A serious question. Those existences whose capabilities if represented as numerical values would [render that] the Noble Phantasm's level is B are called as average.
Something akin to Broken Phantasm (unknown), Barrier of the Wind King (C), Gae Bolg (thrown) (B+), perhaps.
On the other hand, those existences bearing Conceptual effects or of the classification of destiny interference are of a special category.
Because, dependent on luck, Gae Bolg (normal) could irrelevant the extent to which Arcuied surpasses Lancer in parameter values easily kill her. "
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>>4815059
Manaka could do all those things that Ryougi said she could do.
Ryougi doesn't mention that whatever she does will just get reverted by a pissed off World anyway.
Manaka only needs Beast so she can overcome the Quantum Time Lock, which is basically something that you need to be able to overpower the World itself to cheat.
It's mentioned that she could easily change it so that Camelot never fell IIRC, but then it would just get corrected.
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>>4815059
She needs to Beast for the unga magical energy to go toe to toe with the World. Sometimes you just need the big energy.

Also, Manaka could do that. Even Goetia can, and he doesn't have a Root connection in his head/soul.
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>>4815064
i can understand why certain people can get annoyed with power level and power scaling discussions, personally i like them to a certain point but holy fucking shit Nasu's method of dealing with it is dogshit
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>>4815064
It's basically just the Instant Death effect that never works being wanked.
Arc probably has EX luck and can come back to life after being killed anyway so whatever.
The spear should also fizzle on her if it's used against her at night time where she has no concept of death.
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>>4815065
Damn, [Shiki] was really leading Kokoutu on when she offered him a wish and she didn't mention that it would get reverted anyway.
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>>4815078
It probably depends on what the wish was.

Also, Manaka is probably the villain of the next Lostbelt. Or at least Titania squatting in her body, maybe?
If it's a Pseudo Servant, I'm going to guess that the girl with the connection to the Root should be the one to come out on top when it comes to controlling her body.
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>>4815081
It's either Manaka or Morgan, now that I think about it.
I can't really see them playing things that straight though.
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>>4815082
i heard someone make a theory about Rider Nero showing up though i don't have the post on hand
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>>4815082
Titania will probably come up, now that Caesar implication is that the version in which Morgan and Caesar are the parents of Oberon, and Zepia bearing the name of Zepia Eltnam Oberon as his choice brought up the significance of names and is coy about it.
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Update when?
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>>4815084
Other than somewhat similar dress and similar hair, another thing that makes me think this could be Manaka is that she's covering the center of her chest.
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>>4815090
It really looks like Manaka, yeah.
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>>4815090
Could Manaka be the source of Castoria?

Her 3rd Ascension has this line.
"The form [as per] the manner of being what was wished for, which that girl could not arrive upon."

The important bit is "that girl", as its not written in the way that "I" is explicitly the subject, which feels suspiciously specific.

"That Girl" (Manaka) could not arrive upon the manner of being (APEX or Saber?) so she made due with her...?
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>>4815096
Originally I (and others) thought it was "The form that Arturia could not arrive upon" but thats not stated, just inferred.
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>>4815096
>Make an eternal Albion
>Husbando nowhere in sight
I'd be mad.
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Back to a more important topic, namely our and Sakura's kids, we could name our second son Waver, even if it's not a nip name, and our first daughter Aoi. And I wish we knew how Shinji's mother was called.
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>>4815090
Qm have you become a Manakabro?
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>>4815113
Yes
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>>4815113
Always have been.
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>>4815116
Based
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>>4815110
Ehhh. . . Aoi is a cursed name for another reason than Kariya.

But really, why name all our children after other people randomly?
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>>4815118
I thought Manaka only showed up because everyone kept calling any character Manaka
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>>4815122
What?
No, she was slated to show up since one of your first dream sequences.
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>>4815110
Touko
Monica
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>>4815110
Fuck Aoi. Spineless bitch let her daughter be sent away.
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>>4815122
Yes
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>>4815122
What do you mean they were Manaka. Though I wonder was that dream we had initially Manaka or Altrouge?
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>>4815123
What stuff did you add in cause of player input? Ayaka and Vritra are the ones I know off the top of my head
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>>4815130
Can't wait for her to be harem material
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>>4815130
It was Manaka.
Remember the smile?
Look at the picture I just posted
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>>4815133
HOW WHERE WE SO BLIND
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>>4815132
Well she's like 13 so
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>>4815113
>ManakaIsAQM
He was since thread 1.
Some autist should probably check all the dream sections in archives.
Not me though, sounds like work. And not enough autism.
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>>4815120
She was cursed through no fault of her own. A daughter with her name wouldn't have to share her tragic fate. And it's not random if it's our best friends and relatives. Do you have better suggestions?

>>4815124
Good suggestions, actually. The two women who have helped us the most.

>>4815126
She had no idea what Sakura would go through, as Kariya hadn't told her anything. It wasn't really her fault

>>4815133
I remember being sure you were foreshadowing Dark Sakura back then, but I don't remember what made me so sure.
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Is Satsuki the final boss of getting our wives pregnant?
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>>4815142
>I don't remember what made me so sure.
>Sakurautist
I don't know either bro.
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>Manaka silently seething and crying as she jerks off to her crush be defiled by two dozen women
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>>4815147
It was a woman and a beast he probably thought the beast was angra.
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>>4815145
Due to being a DA? There were some implications that Tohsakas have something like a vampire in their blood at least, that could have been a DA?

And the statement that there was a spoken of instance where it happened, it just didn't state who.
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>>4815142
So what if she didn't know?
She still let her daughter get taken to another family. She stopped being her daughter. Sakura should despise both her and Tokiomi.
Plus she was a nothing character. Don't care in the slightest about her.
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>>4815147
I am biased yes, and always have been, but I'm not pulling things out of my ass here. WhatIs had said or posted something to make me think it was Dark Sakura, I just can't remember. Or be bothered to go check.
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>>4815149
She can always change the channel and watch the timelines where Canon Shinji gets eviscerated by basically everyone to cheer herself up.
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>>4815151
We're also a higher being so there's that too, plus we can probably fix Satsuki, let's fix Sion too just to be nice
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>>4815153
>Plus she was a nothing character. Don't care in the slightest about her.
This is the biggest and best reason against naming someone Aoi.
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>>4815155
She can do whatever she wants but it'll never change the fact that her crush is being passed around for the pleasure of women that aren't her
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>>4815158
I don't think theres anything bad with being a DA, especially since she doesn't go around eating people.

The Association doesn't give a shit outside the Barthomelloi either, as long as the DAA don't rule over them.
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>>4815145
We'll figure something out, don't worry.

>>4815153
She was Sakura's mother. I imagine she cares about her. Though on second thought, Sakura might not appreciate the reminder. Touko and Monica are better suggestions.

>>4815155
Ah, the joys of rootcable tv.
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>>4815164
>She was Sakura's mother.
That's...not even close to a guarantee.
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>>4815166
I meant that the fact that she cares about her flows from that fact automatically.
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>>4815163
Sion doesn't like being a Dead Apostle and Lorelei is the head of one of the 3 Major Factions
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>>4815164
Sakura has a better mother now anyway.
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>>4815169
Generally people care about their mother, but yes I did just say I was having second thoughts about this.
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>>4815170
Lorelei is not the head of the 3 factions. This is evident by the fact that the other two factions are named differently and are lead by different families.
The military commander is Zelretch. She just has a private army of retards.
Also, Atlas' Director is a DA as Zepia in normal timelines, even if hes not TATARI. Nobody does anything or questions it.
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I found what made me think WhatIs was foreshadowing Dark Sakura: It was this comment of his:

>Oh don't be so paranoid anon, it was only a purposely foreboding comment.
I'm just looking forward to all those Bad Ends I might end up getting to write.
>Pic unrelated.
>Well, half related.

I was SURE it was a double bluff and he was toying with the Manaka schizos before revealing the boss was Dark Sakura all along
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>>4815177
Yeah I fucked up reading, just noticed.
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>>4815177
She's the Vice Director though, so she's second in command of the Clocktower.
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>>4815178
great use of flower language in this pic
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>>4815178
It was a triple bluff.
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>>4815180
I honestly think that doesn't confer her power over the military arm or anything, and deals with internal management and policing

Otherwise what is a Wizard Marshal for?
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just realized that we aren't actually gonna figure out we're having kids with Sakura until like a month later, unless we find some reason to have Asclepius check everyone's health
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>>4815185
Does it matter if it's in a month though?
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"Everyone! We'll be heading off on a trip out to town. I want to show you all around Fuyuki City, and also introduce you to the Argonauts." You think that it would be a really good opportunity to get to know the rest of the Argonauts better, after all, the rest of the crew aren't exactly loyal to Jason, and seeing as the boat itself is their Master, it's not like they have to follow his command.

"The... Argonauts...?" the Young Rin questions you, and it's pretty clear that she can barely hold back her interest at this point. She's probably been cooped up in this room watching the rest of the girls play videogames, and while they might've tried to teach her to play, you just can't imagine. "Well, I suppose that could be interesting. If nothing else, Father would tell me to think of this as a good learning experience." Poor Rin. It must suck to idolize somebody who is as big a jackass as Tokiomi Tohsaka.

There are no other complaints. Even Olga seems happy to go along with everyone else for now, and you clap your hands together. "Alright, then let's get going, shall we, everyone?" You smile at the girls, and Betty, Alítheia and Abby smile back at you. Rin and Olga look just a little bit apprehensive still, clearly they don't know just how much they can trust you just yet, but it seems like they've already managed to build up something of a relationship between them. Tetsuka and your as yet unnamed snake child don't exactly has the capacity to smile back at you, but they at least manage to somewhat look excited, you aren't really sure just how aware those two are of their surroundings, honestly. It's pretty clear that the two of them are still developing, and though they seem to have at least some sort of rapid development, it's nowhere near the level that Alítheia is on. Though Alítheia does have something of an unfair advantage, considering that her body was formed out of your blood, and her soul was created from that of an already existing dragon's soul. The dragon soul is less of the advantageous part for her, honestly, but the fact that Alítheia was created from your blood is where it counts. She's at the very least half-human, whereas Tetsuka and the snake aren't... You're really going to need to try to figure out whether it's a boy or a girl. You suppose you can try asking Alítheia? You've got a name picked out for them too, depending on their sex. Ouroboros or Ourobora, after all, the first thing you ever saw it trying to do was consume its own tail.
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It doesn't take very long to find Alcides, he's hanging out outside Illya's room. He must feel kind of awkward about his hatred of the Gods, and his Master turning into a goddess entirely by accident. You know that he won't resent her for it, but still... It must not feel good to have been effectively useless when it came to actually saving her. He's really not the sort of person to enjoy failing very much, after all. He is still the greatest hero of Greek Myth, and the fact that he was unable to save somebody he considers important to him by himself is... well, you can't imagine it felt good to experience such failure.

"Oi, Alcides. We're about to go and see Jason. You want to come with us?" You ask the muscular looking teenager, who seems relieved by the presence of something to take his mind off things. He stops leaning on the wall and looks about ready to head off immediately.

"Oh? Yeah, sure. I do still want to talk to my Master personally at one point about what happened... but it just doesn't feel right doing it over our mental link, and... Well, she's with her father and two brothers right now, so I don't want to spoil their happy reunion." Alcides is obviously being cautious over things. He's clearly realized just how much that the current reunion must mean to... well, pretty much everyone involved. Illya's lifespan isn't going to be cut short. Kiritsugu is alive and back in his body... Honestly, you're actually kind of excited to see just what EMIYA makes of this whole situation. It might even make him stop being such a god damned downer all the time. He should already be aware that Shirou is never going to turn into him by this point. He should be aware above anybody else that Saber would never allow her husband to go down the self-destructive path that he took, and at the same time, Shirou won't allow Saber to take her own self-sacrificing path... And neither will Mordred.

"Alright. Follow me, we're just going to go find Nobunaga and ask her if she wants to come with us as well, but finding her should be as simple as checking the roof." She's meant to be on look-out duty right now, after all. So if she's not on the roof, then she's probably lazing about somewhere. Nobunaga probably needs somebody to help her take her mind off things right now. You already gave her a speech, and she trusted you enough to help you against an enemy that she for all intents and purposes considered undefeatable even with the additional power she had from being summoned within Japan. The fact that you managed to convince her to join your side was a good sign that Nobunaga trusts you a pretty large amount, just based on your words to her alone, though the application of a concept to her couldn't have hurt either.
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You head outside the house and it doesn't take you long to spot the bored looking military uniform wearing girl sitting on the roof of your house with her legs dangling off of the side. She hops off of the building when she spots you looking at her, and walks casually up to speak. "Have you considered my offer to make you my general yet, Makiri?"

"Wait, you were being serious about that?" You're actually a little bit stunned by her sudden decision to bring that back up.

Nobunaga pouts. "Of course I was being serious. I hadn't actually expected any of us to truly be able to defeat Orochi, but now that you've truly proved that you're a man of your word, I see no reason why I wouldn't want your assistance to help us make Japan into the great nation that it was meant to be, and not a fangless pup." Nobunaga states her distaste for the current state of the country, at least when it comes to military affairs.

"Well, I suppose I'll... have to think about that. I do have... commitments, you understand." You put off giving an answer immediately, while you were already sort of planning to give Nobunaga as much assistance as she might've asked you for if she actually really intended to go through with her current ambition of taking over Japan... again, you don't know if you can accept the role of General. Last time you carelessly accepted a role like that, you got saddled with the title of Forever Advisor by Mordred, which according to her own words isn't even something that ends upon death... though seeing as you're fully intending to create an underworld to abuse by coming back to life even should you end up dying, you... have to admit that Mordred's declaration was incredibly wise in hindsight. As usual, it looks like through either a great hidden wisdom and foresight, Mordred has once again managed something incredible, or she's just ridiculously lucky when it comes to stuff like this.

"Well, please do. I've got no intention of disappearing after saving this world, and I think that you're just the sort of person I need on my side to help me reclaim this nation!" Nobunaga makes a confident declaration, and earns a few stares from the children surrounding you. Alcides doesn't look all that impressed either, and Nobunaga just frowns. "But anyway, are you heading out? My Master asked me to provide support to anybody leaving the confines of this house." The girl explains the role that Rin has given her, and she doesn't really sound all that bothered to be following Rins orders... at least for now. It's pretty likely that Nobunaga respects the power of her Master too.
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"We are, actually, and I wanted to invite you to come along. We're off to go pay the Argonauts a visit." You cheerfully inform Nobunaga of your current aim. It's mostly just to make sure that Jason isn't actually doing something stupid. He's separated from everyone else, after all, and powerful Servants roam the city. While he's no doubt summoned powerful Servants to assist him, you kind of doubt that even the entirety of the Argonauts together would be able to defeat somebody with the effortless destructive potential Monica wields, or the nightmare in combat that the Morrigan and Cu together represent, especially not without Heracles with them.

"Hmm... Well, it doesn't exactly go against my orders to watch over anybody who leaves the house, so... I guess there's no problem!" The smaller woman smiles at you. "Lead the way." She starts to follow you along with the rest of the group you've amassed.

It doesn't long to find Medea in your workshop, Chiyome nearby, apparently on standby as she looks at the map with a relatively disinterested looking expression. While there are a few visible dots on the map that represent your enemies, the map itself has been refocused to just the city, no longer including the forest... or well, the lack of a forest. "Medea, Chiyome." You greet the two women. "I'm actually here to go and see the Argonauts, so I'd like you to teleport me directly there. I wouldn't like to risk traveling all that much again." After all, both times you were attacked, it was when you were on your way back from an outing. "Oh, and Chiyome... I know you've only just been given the duty, but I want you to come with me as well." She was the heroine who saved the day, after all.

"Very well, Master. I want to talk to you about something when you get back though." Medea suddenly thrusts her staff into the air and speaks. "Tροψα!" The surroundings around both you and your group swiftly shift, and you're soon standing on the deck of a boat that is currently floating in the middle of the harbor. Seems that the Argo is no longer docked. You don't get to examine your surroundings for long, as a startled looking group of heroes quickly react to your presence, there's no Jason among them, unfortunately. With Jason's absence in mind, it looks like you can't have him explain for you. How annoying.
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"What are you doing on this boat...?" The woman wielding a trident says with a threatening tone as she looks at you, Caenis. Behind her is a green-blonde haired Archer, who looks more irritated at Caenis than she does with the intruders. Clearly, she's noticed the fact that you've brought over half a dozen children along with you. There's nobody else on the top deck of the ship, it seems. Everyone else must be below deck.

>"Alcides, mind explaining?"
>"I'm a friend of Jason's... Sort of."
>"Put the weapon away, Caenis. I'm a friend."
>"Where's Jason? I want to talk."
>"It's a good thing that I'm not an enemy, because you're really outgunned here."
>Write-in...
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>>4815233
>>"Put the weapon away, Caenis. I'm a friend."
How many people did Jason summon?
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I'll post the status menus... uh.
Later
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>>4815233
>"Alcides, mind explaining?"
he WAS an Argonaut, after all
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>>4815233
>"Alcides, mind explaining?"

We should tell Nobu that we're technically the Advisor to Mordred, but if they can hash something out, feel free to do so.
We're probably going to come back to japan a lot anyway. Tokoyo, Tamamo, Benienma's resort, our home and Fuyuki, so I imagine we'd help her if she asks anyway.
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>>4815233
>>"Alcides, mind explaining?"
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>"Very well, Master. I want to talk to you about something when you get back though."
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>>4815233
>>"Alcides, mind explaining?"
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>>4815233
>"Put the weapon away, Caenis. I'm a friend."
>"Alcides, mind explaining?"

seems a good choice. Also, introduce the kids to Atalantea
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I guess there's not many voters around tonight.
Oh well, time to bed.
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>>4815083
It's looking more and more like she's replacing Goetia as the primary antagonist in the arcade version of pt1
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>>4815229
>"Have you considered my offer to make you my general yet, Makiri?"
Yk we talk a lot about Shinjibowl but never considered the several heroic spirits that will make us their advisors
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>>4815346
We can be the common point that helps all the conquerors stay cordial.
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>>4815233
>"Alcides, mind explaining?"

>>4815231
>"Very well, Master. I want to talk to you about something when you get back though."
WELP. MEDEABROS GET READY. OUR TIME MIGHT JUST COME AFTER ALL
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>>4815417
Time to make glorious half elves
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>>4815226
>Well, she's with her father and two brothers right now
Good for EMIYA. What a day this must be for all of them.

>>4815348
This. We don't want to be Nobu's general, but we need to be able to smooth things over between them and help them plan a smoother takeover.

>>4815417
I hate to do this anon, but she probably wants to talk about Amethyst. Medea's time will come, don't worry. And Satsuki's and Tamamo's. No more oblivious protagonist, no more being too afraid of our own shadow to even kiss the girls we love. The nightmare is over.

I love it when a plan comes together.
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>>4815233
>>4815277
Support
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Oh, and sneaky, sneaky WhatIs. Bringing Chiyome alone even if she wasn't part of the vote. We would have asked Medea to teleport her immediately once we saw her younger self, but this is obviously fine.
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>>4815542
>We don't want to be Nobu's general,
Well, more that we aren't really a general. As in we aren't good at strategy, we deal with tactics.
If Nobu asks us to solve some problems, kill some dudes then sure, but we arent leading a normie army.
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>>4815573
If she does something like make us the equivalent of Court Onmyouji(with the caveat that we dont use onmyodo) like Seimei was, but also for negotiating with and killing shit, I would accept that.
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>>4815573
What do you mean we aren't good at strategy anon? Being a general will be pretty much what we've already been doing, only at a larger scale. We'd be great at it. The problem is that it would be a downgrade compared to what we're planning to do. And we have so many other things to do, so many better ways to spend the time than babysitting a normie army.

>>4815580
I'd prefer a more generic Advisor title or an unofficial position.
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>>4815586
I take a General's strategy to be at the scale to theater warfare level normally. Which cities to take and how in general, etc. Theater level stuff, with individual battles being tactics, and squad or battalion level also being tactics.

From that perspective our only strategic decision was "stay and fight in Fuyuki".

>Frequently, however, a general is a staff officer who does not command troops but who plans their operations in the field.
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>>4815586
As for an unofficial position, there is no distinction between official or unoffiial if the daimyo/leader is telling it, the people believe it, and you are doing tasks related to it. We'll just get saddled with some appelation then..
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So really basic stuff

Don't anger Caenis

Don't anger Caenis when you're on the water

And don't assume the rest of the Argo crew even likes Alcides, nor do they like Jason.

They might have kicked him off the boat and taken it for themselves, with Caenis at the lead. Plundering is her thing.

You have to be respectful to her without simping, ideally best her in combat to get her to kneel to Shinji but it's a rest day.

I'd probably be asking where Jason is, while showing a bit of distain towards him, and having Alcides vouch for our legitimacy but not be the one explaining everything. Remember only Jason didn't see him as a monster, and neither of these two girls particularly like men.
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>>4815604
I'd probably use the kids as an in with Atalante and speak directly to her, ask her to talk Caenis down and get them infighting rather than angry at us.
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>>4815592
We are not a general and we do not command an army. Our strategic decisions will naturally be smaller scaled than what city to take. I see strategy as deciding what long-term goals to achieve and coming up with long-term plans to achieve them. Today's schedule that resolved the Shinjibowl was strategy, yesterday's disposition of forces and plan to deal with Orochi was strategy. How we plan to deal with Tesla is strategy. Our plan to take over the world and usher in the Age of Truth is most definitely strategy. Tactics then are the moment-to-moment decisions to overcome the obstacles to our objectives, both within and outside of battle. We've done tactics much more than strategy so far, but that's only natural.

>>4815605
Will you be making a write in, or do you not have the time?
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We're also lucky this is Alcidies likely pre-kids physically

>>4815606
I'm """"planning"""massah

I'm home for the arvo though so I have plenty of time
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>>4815607
Alright. Just make sure to namedrop Medea when introducing the kids to Atalante.
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>>4815233

>Ah, forgive the intrusion. Walking has become a bit dangerous of late so I’m taking precautions, especially with the kids.
>I’m here to meet Jason and his crew.
>Alcides, would you be so kind as to introduce us?

He can get Jason to vouch for us by Illya’s link if we don’t get into a fight right away.
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>>4815604
Caenis can literally gargle rocks, having a superpussy is a joke of a legend
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I don't wanna be hit by Poseidon Maelstrom while in open water, ok?
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Anyone wanna drag up the concept autism we went through for Caenis a few threads ago?
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>>4815626
I'd add something like "Caenis, I'm a friend. Alcides here will vouch I'm telling the Truth" early on, and "Girls, say hi to auntie Atalante, she's a good friend of Medea and I'm sure she'd love to talk and play with you". I'd also ask about the rest of the crew in addition to Jason. Otherwise looks fine. And do we even speak greek? You could just say xenia.

>>4815633
I can't even remember anything about Caenis other than having Illya eat Poseidon's core from her.
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also, I'm not sure about "she's living a very happy life". A bit too early to tell. Maybe "she found happiness"?
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>>4815633
Something about untouchable/untouched.
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>>4815233
>Atalante, Caenis, Alítheia here is my first daughter with Medea, you'd be glad to know she's living a much better life in the modern age, Alitheia, say hi to auntie Atalante, she's one of witch-mummy's close friends from way back when.
>Introduce the other kids to the two women, then send girls over to Atalante, tell them she loves kids and they should pet fluffy tail.
>Caenis, Atalante, did you throw Jason overboard or is he below deck? I wanted to show my daughters and their friends his boat, and also wanted to thank him for his cunning saving a close friend of mine from being consumed by a Goddess.
>Who else of the crew was summoned? Were you summoned with any kind of memory support? Or did Jason let you in on the situation at hand at all? My friend Alcides here might be able to explain a bit better, but you were all summoned into the modern era due to the threat of an Evil God that myself and my allies have since dealt with. He'll vouch for my trustworthiness too, as this is quite the irregular summoning for you both I imagine.
>I must warn you both however, although the purpose of your summoning has since been resolved, there's something worse on the horizon, but tonight, would you and the rest of the crew be interested in a feast fit for the Gods? I vow upon my life to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago and I hope we can become good friends over a drink, Caenis. I happen to know someone who might drink even you under the table.
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Shuten vs Caenis drinking competition, TONIGHT
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>Haaah!? I told you I'm the Divine Spirit, Caenis. ...Huh? "The tyrant Caenis from the legends wasn't a god"? Well, that's true. I claimed to be a king, but I never called myself a god. So why, you ask? that's simple. By the way, don't you have any alcohol or meat?
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Never show Caenis sympathy either frens.

She hates it
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>>4815233
Switch >>4815545 to support >>4815653
Perfetto

>>4815657
I guess Caenis is a heavy drinker, huh?

>>4815660
Duly noted.
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>>4815653
>I vow upon my life to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago and I hope we can become good friends over a drink, Caenis.
Pretty grandiose declaration suddenly?
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>>4815677
We had a feast planned, Xenia is just hospitality and pride/smug is a Shinji-ism
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>>4815681
>had
We still do
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>>4815683
Ye, I mean it was already something established, it's a very easy mental conversation to just mention to Medea which of the Argo are also coming over.

In the autismplanning I mentioned enough for them, did that translate to the actual write in for it?

It's 1pm, we have many HS, a big ass kitchen and loadsamonnie.

I imagine Shinji has, or had a winecellar before Shuten moved in, it might have survived for now if she's only been here a few hours and she's been able to come watch us coom.

She might have even actually used her Presence Concealment to watch
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>>4815693
I think the write-in's fine, yeah, but others might disagree.

If Shuten drank all our cellar, we'll just make a phonecall and have the stock of a few liquor stores delivered.

And she probably only listened in, I think she'd have said something otherwise. But we'll definitely need to make a trinket of True Detection too.
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>>4815693
she wouldn't even use her presence concealment for that, she'd just lounge around in clear view
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The only bits weird to me are

>>I vow upon my life
And
The end where we suddely say we want to befriend Caenis. Not saying we dont want to, but it seems sudden and not really part of the flow of conversation? I'd guess all the food, hospitality and drinking contest would be enough.
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>>4815701
The question is, would we have noticed Shuten, or anyone?
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>>4815702
reword it and I'll switch
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>>4815704
Doubtful

>>4815705
Me too
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>>4815233
>Atalante, Caenis, Alítheia here is my first daughter with Medea, you'd be glad to know she's living a much better life in the modern age, Alitheia, say hi to auntie Atalante, she's one of witch-mummy's close friends from way back when.
>Introduce the other kids to the two women, then send girls over to >Caenis, Atalante, did you throw Jason overboard or is he below deck? I wanted to show my daughters and their friends his boat, and also wanted to thank him for his cunning saving a close friend of mine from being consumed by a Goddess.
>Who else of the crew was summoned? Were you summoned with any kind of memory support? Or did Jason let you in on the situation at hand at all? My friend Alcides here might be able to explain a bit better, but you were all summoned into the modern era due to the threat of an Evil God that myself and my allies have since dealt with. He'll vouch for my trustworthiness too, as this is quite the irregular summoning for you both I imagine.
>I must warn you both however, although the purpose of your summoning has since been resolved, there's something worse on the horizon, but tonight, would you and the rest of the crew be interested in a feast fit for the Gods? I vow to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago. I happen to know someone who might drink even you under the table.

Does this seem fine?
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>>4815709
You fucked up a line change anon. And maybe mention Caenis by name for someone who can drink her under the table?
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>>4815715
basically this, cade isn't a huge drinker
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>>4815715
Which line change? And I'll add Caenis by name at the end.
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>>4815719
line 2
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>>4815233
>Atalante, Caenis, Alítheia here is my first daughter with Medea, you'd be glad to know she's living a much better life in the modern age, Alitheia, say hi to auntie Atalante, she's one of witch-mummy's close friends from way back when.
>Introduce the other kids to the two women, then send girls over to
>Caenis, Atalante, did you throw Jason overboard or is he below deck? I wanted to show my daughters and their friends his boat, and also wanted to thank him for his cunning saving a close friend of mine from being consumed by a Goddess.
>Who else of the crew was summoned? Were you summoned with any kind of memory support? Or did Jason let you in on the situation at hand at all? My friend Alcides here might be able to explain a bit better, but you were all summoned into the modern era due to the threat of an Evil God that myself and my allies have since dealt with. He'll vouch for my trustworthiness too, as this is quite the irregular summoning for you both I imagine.
>I must warn you both however, although the purpose of your summoning has since been resolved, there's something worse on the horizon, but tonight, would you and the rest of the crew be interested in a feast fit for the Gods? I vow to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago. I happen to know someone who might drink even you under the table, Caenis.
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>>4815719
>Introduce the other kids to the two women, then send girls over to >Caenis, Atalante, did you throw Jason overboard or is he below deck
End of the first sentence is missing, and the second should be in a new line.
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>>4815233
>Atalante, Caenis, Alítheia here is my first daughter with Medea, you'd be glad to know she's living a much better life in the modern age, Alitheia, say hi to auntie Atalante, she's one of witch-mummy's close friends from way back when.
>Introduce the other kids to the two women, then send girls over to Atalante, tell them she loves kids and they should pet fluffy tail.
>Caenis, Atalante, did you throw Jason overboard or is he below deck? I wanted to show my daughters and their friends his boat, and also wanted to thank him for his cunning saving a close friend of mine from being consumed by a Goddess.
>Who else of the crew was summoned? Were you summoned with any kind of memory support? Or did Jason let you in on the situation at hand at all? My friend Alcides here might be able to explain a bit better, but you were all summoned into the modern era due to the threat of an Evil God that myself and my allies have since dealt with. He'll vouch for my trustworthiness too, as this is quite the irregular summoning for you both I imagine.
>I must warn you both however, although the purpose of your summoning has since been resolved, there's something worse on the horizon, but tonight, would you and the rest of the crew be interested in a feast fit for the Gods? I vow to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago. I happen to know someone who might drink even you under the table, Caenis.

It'll work out sometime.
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>>4815233
Switch again from >>4815663 to >>4815724
Third time's the charm.
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>>4815233
switching
>>4815653

to
>>4815724

solid retard moment there anon
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>>4815233
>>4815724
+1
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Is there a winner here?
Also did you know that Nasu once called CCC his best work? LOL.
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>>4815739
Give us some time, the write in just dropped.

Fucking Nasu
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>>4815743
Well, if I can't start writing in the next 20 minutes, I won't be able to get the update out before I start wagecuckin' it.
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>>4815233
Switching from >>4815621 to the filibuster >>4815724
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>>4815233
>>4815724
Support
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Is that enough support?
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>>4815744
I was about to ask you for those 20 mins, but >>4815724
is winning now. You can start writing.
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>>4815744
can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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"Atalanta, Caenis." You look at the two women, the two of them are a little off-guard already, at having their true names so casually revealed. You proceed to be put a hand on the back of your dragon daughter and push her forwards a little bit. "Alítheia here is my first daughter with Medea, you'd be glad to know she's living a much better life in the modern age." You look mostly at Atalanta as you say this. "Alítheia, say hi to auntie Atalanta!" You lean in close and whisper. "She's one of Witch-mama's close friends from way back..."

"Medea is here? Jason said something about wanting to summon her in a youthful form but not wanting to deal with the consequences. I had assumed that he was simply talking about how his tale with her ended up." Atalanta speaks, clearly less on guard than Caenis already, though the fact that you're clearly not an enemy has also managed to put Caenis off of her guard as well. You wonder if Jason managed to get her under control by informing her of the danger to reality.

"She is." You state calmly, before you look at the gaggle of girls that are sort of milling around near you, and how Atalanta keeps taking glances at the girls. "Atalanta, would you like to meet my daughters?" The cat eared woman looks surprised, and you keep talking. "There's Alítheia, who I already introduced. Betty..." You point out your daughters as you give Atalanta their names. "Abigail, Tetsuka, and..." You look at the snake coiled around one of Alítheia's horns. You want to say that it's a female, for some reason. "Ourobora." You then proceed to move on to introducing Rin and Olga. "This is Olga Marie Animusphere, and this is Rin Tohsaka. They aren't my daughters though." Yet. "Girls, go say hello." Your daughters obediently follow along, the girls all walk over to Atalanta, who is unable to properly respond as she is swarmed. You then turn to Caenis, who is looking at her comrade be overwhelmed by children with an impassive look. "Caenis, did you throw Jason overboard, or is he below deck? I wanted to show my daughters his boat, but I also wanted to help him for his cunning in saving a dear friend of mine from being possessed and having her personality consumed by a Goddess." You want to make sure that Jason knows that you're glad for his loyalty to Illya, that loyalty has improved your opinion of the man by a great deal.

"Jason? I've not thrown him aboard yet, I probably would have, but he said that the world is in danger, and seeing as he's the only one who can use the Argo to summon more of the people who once sailed upon it... Well, I'll be honest, I was waiting until he managed to build up a sizable force before I took his boat." What an unreliable subordinate that this woman is. Her summon must've been accidental, surely? "What's this about a Goddess?" Caenis does sound interested by that comment, at least.
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"Oh, he managed to trick a Goddess into believing a plan that never would've worked, which gave me enough time to send one of my subordinates with powerful anti-curse techniques to undo the possession and seal the Goddess into a bottle." You pat Chiyome on the head absentmindedly as you explain what she did. She really is a useful Servant, and you're glad that she's so loyal to you. You're glad that you managed to break her curse, too.

"Hmmph." Caenis crosses her arms, at least she's put the trident away now. Looks like she might be reconsidering her thoughts on the leader of the Argonauts, considering his ability to fool even a Goddess. Somebody who fundamentally hates Gods like Caenis should naturally have a better opinion of anybody who manages to get one over on one of them.

"Now that you're aware that I'm an ally, would you mind telling me who else have been summoned so far...? Or if you don't know why you were summoned just yet, it's because of an Evil God that I have taken care of who threaten the entire World. Alcides here might be able to explain things to you a little better if you want though. He'll vouch for my story though, and he'll also personally vouch that the threat that still remains is an even greater opponent." Manaka might not yet have the same sort of offensive power that Orochi was capable of freely throwing around, but judging from how she wiped out that entire forest last night, it's clear that in many ways, her other powers surpass Orochi.

"Alcides...?" Caenis looks at Alcides for a moment, who doesn't say anything to dispute your words, before a flash of realization hits her, though she doesn't say much else. "Other than Atalanta and I? Castor and Pollux are below decks with Jason, same goes for Asclepius. He's apparently about to try to summon another one of us though." Caenis reveals that Jason is attempting to summon another Servant, you wonder for a moment who they could be, before you turn back to Caenis and look her in the eyes.

"Well, though the purpose you were originally summoned for has been resolved, with the threat looming on the horizon of a greater scope, you will still likely be needed her... But tonight, would you and the rest of the crew be interested in a feast fit for the Gods? I vow to show you all Xenia like the kings that hosted you on your journeys many millennia ago." You then smirk at Caenis. "I also happen to know somebody who could drink even you under the table, Caenis."
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"Oh yeah?" Caenis seems to take that as a challenge, and it was. Though unfortunately for Caenis, you really can't see her even getting Shuten tipsy before dropping. Shuten is, after all, the same girl who was given potent divine poison alcohol and liked it so much she kept it as a Servant. That same alcohol being strong enough to melt everyone around her, and she can drink that stuff. "Well, I don't feel as if you're being dishonest, and even if you weren't... I doubt I would have Atalanta's support anyway, should things come to blows." Caenis looks over at her ally, who is currently on her knees as Betty and Abby touch her ears. Rin and Olga just look concerned by the events, while Alítheia is receiving a headpat from the cat-eared archer.

You smile at Caenis "Thank you for not turning this into a fight..."

>"...I don't think you would've been able to threaten Alcides or Nobunaga here anyway."
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
>"How about a spar? I want to test my abilities against you."
>Just stay above decks, looking out at the city and making light conversation.
>"Caenis, how would you feel about having Poseidon's influence removed from your body?"
>Write-in...
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If you try and fight Caenis on the water you're retarded :^)))))))

Oceanic washing machine go wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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And Caenis hates gods, a lot.

>>4815783
>"Caenis, how would you feel about having Poseidon's influence removed from your body?"
>If you feel the loss of power something you'd not want to give up, I can always offer you something in it's place. Talk to a few of the other Servants over dinner tonight, or even have words with Nobu here about what I can offer.
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>>4815788
I wonder what Nobu's NPs are like now, we still havent asked.
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Also, we're concepting the Argo into a human form so Jason doesn't die alone. That'll be his reward for helping with Ilya. All ships are female, so all we need to do is apply the concept of Humanity or Anthropomorphic so he gets his ship girl
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>>4815790
Just out and out asking it doesnt run into
>>4815660
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>>4815783
>>4815790
+1.
Cute cat.
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>>4815795
it's not sympathy, we knew her true name, so we would logically know her poseidon influence.

I mean if she wants to fight there's Alcides and DRIPCHAD next to us so...

But it's the sabbath today otherwise we go in the cuckcage again
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>>4815794
>Anthropomorphic
Rather this, we might need Humanity elsewhere.
Also, isnt the boat part of his Saint Graph?
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>>4815798
Well he had to build it from scratch so I'd assume no? Not as a lancer. As a Rider, yeah. But Lancer doesn't come with the ship as a default thing.

Otherwise it's his soulmate
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>>4815798
He had to build it, so I don't think so.
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>>4815800
Semiramis also builds her NP, so I guess it depends on hers also counts?
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>>4815805
Now that I think about it, its probably separate. Avicebron's Adam is most likely not one with him and its the same kind of thing.
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>>4815805
Semiramis shouldn't even have the Hanging Gardens.
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>>4815794
Speaking of shipgirls, aparently Nagato from Kancolle is a thing in Fate too. She fought Majin Okita.
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>>4815809
Nero Caster must have modelled her Organ Cannons off of something too
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I wonder if Shipgirl Argo will be strong.
Or what she'll look like.
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>>4815813
Drawfag, you're up
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Will this be our first time applying a concept to an item rather than a person in this manner?
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>>4815818
Maybe? The poor cunt died a lonely hobo living in the wreckage, refusing to leave her side until a chunk fell on him, ending his life.
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Jason x Argo is good civilization.
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I'd imagine facial markings like what is on the Port Bow, maybe a wooden headress like the bust in his bond ce?

White sail Grecian aesthetic robes with ropes as trimmings, and a necklace with a ship's wheel around her neck?
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Alternatively the concept of Life, Animation? Maybe not specific enough, Life might be a waste.
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>>4815825
What about personification?
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>>4815825
I think Tiamat would do well with Life if we want to double down on her Authority and theme. Otherwise what would be good for her, Harmony? Coexistence?
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>>4815827
With Personification you could create something like Goddess Columbia or Uncle Sam
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We made the cat very happy today.

>>4815790
Why not wait instead of making the offer right away? She barely knows us, and unlike Eresh we haven't pulled off anything outrageous in her presence. We could do it either at the feast, or tomorrow after she sleeps off the hangover and the shame of her loss to Shuten.

>>4815818
We applied Poison to Shuten's drink when we recruited her.

>>4815825
Life is definitely a waste, Animation will probably make her an animated doll.
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>>4815827
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_personification
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>>4815831
She'd be happier as a mother

I'm offering an out to just stripping her of her power. She resolves to use it as it's the best use of her shit situation, but if you look through her mats it's kind of what she wants most.

I kinda don't want to fight even though we have two hard counters with us, so I don't rock the boat and stuff up Jason's ritual.

Unless people want to leave Medeacunny to being cursed forever and not have Chiyome purge Aphrodite's influence.

Or even better, have Ilya vore her. Judging by how she had to actually inject a bit of herself into Galatea to animate her, Ilya might be able to succ in a bit of Aphrodite's Authority if she cleanses Medeacunny
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>>4815833
How about vivification? Would that work?
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>>4815838
I am not sure about having Ilya godvore Medea Lily, as she herself is a lot of god blood and Divine Words... It may eat a lot more than just Aphro even if she is there.
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>>4815839
>vivification
Odds are it won't create a shipgirl, just a fast boat that doesn't need wind in the sails and maybe recharges those who stand on her deck.

>>4815841
Ninja headpat it is
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>>4815838
Nah, I think she'd be happier running around the world hunting groomers and discord mods. She wishes to save all children, not have some of her own.

I don't disagree at all about Caenis, I just don't think it's the right time. We should wait at least after she's seen something to make her believe we can pull this off.

I was about to recommend heading down so we can purge Medea Lily the moment she steps out of the summoning circle, but we can wait and make small talk instead I suppose. I'd rather not have the kids in front of the scene though, or live young Medea cursed for a moment more than necessary.

I would not recommend having Illya eat young Medea. At all. She doesn't have a drop of mortal blood in her. Chiyome is the perfect solution, let's not overcomplicate things.
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>>4815843
Then Anthropomorphic is best still. Animation could also just animate the sails and ropes and shit, or make a self-moving boat.
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Do we concept the boat as soon as we get to land?

Just pause as we're getting off, hey Jason, here's something to show my gratitude for keeping Ilya safe

>Apply Anthropomorphic

The true Anti-Merlin. making BOOOBA instead of benis
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>>4815851
Maybe ask him first, even if we plan on doing it. He seems attached to the Argo a lot, so suddenly doing weird shit. . .
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>>4815851
I don't see why not. We were talking about bringing her to the mansion anyway, might as well invite her to the feast as Jason's +1.
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Anthropomorphic also has greekoid origins, it's only fitting

>>4815853
It'd have to be in private. Maybe don't mention the whole story, just "Would you like me to make her stronger conceptually so you'll never be separated again?"

>>4815854
Medea will find it hilarious
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>>4815783
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
Jason is trying to summon Medea Lily. Let's not waste any time to have Chiyome uncurse her. And it'd be better if the kids weren't in front for the aftermath.
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>>4815856
Yeah, anthropomorphic is perfect

If we're asking him we should tell him the whole story though.

And Medea will also find it hilarious that we uncursed her younger self before Jason could even touch her.
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>>4815858
it should really be a surprise. He'll fall for her immediately anyway. She'll probably be cunny due to Jason's preferences
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Will Argo-chan be Yandere for Jason?
She did kill him...
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>>4815862
That's why I said IF we ask him. It should either be full surprise or full disclosure, though a half-truth isn't that bad.
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Medea Lily has this weird ass Skill, wonder what that will turn into. . .

"Ephemeral Love

It was a fake love like a fragile bubble, wasn't it? Those sweet nothings you whispered were truly empty, weren't they? But, what's wrong with that?
Those whispers may not have been truths, and just about everything was a lie, but until the needle prick that burst it open - it was unmistakably, love."

This is the Skill description.
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>>4815857
He'd probably be a bit upset when we cuck him immediately, which is why we have a word with him in private about how he treated her, how she was being manipulated by Aphrodite the whole time and what he did was effectively rape^3

But then also thank him for his service, offer him a compromise with Argo-tan
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>>4815868
Yes, that cursed skill is exactly what we're having Chiyome purge.
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>>4815868
That's Aphrodite.
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>>4815864
She should be. already Bond 15 for him
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>>4815869
Sure, sure. But Medea first. Jason will cope.
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>>4815868
Henlo
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>>4815872
I bet she'll hate the evil witch who didn't appreciate him.
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>>4815873
curse purge then talk no jutsu. then shipwife forma de yandere maximo
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>>4815879
Agreed 100%
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>>4815876
He's all hers now though
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>>4815874
I appreciate the skullwings in the design tho. Reference to Aphrodite Areia is rare.
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>break her love curse
>proceed to one up her again by turning a boat into a girl easily
Dab on Aphroshite.
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>>4815883
thots KNEEL
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>>4815881
Yes he is. And they have a whole new world to explore together. I bet they're sailing away the moment we incarnate Jason after we secure the grail

>>4815883
Dab on all the shit goddesses.
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>>4815885
We need to dab on Kiara and Kama too.
Beloved makes us immune to all mental fuckery.
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>>4815882
Why are all love/war hybrid goddesses whores?

Freyja's another one.

Found this researching though

>Nanaya, goddess personifying voluptuousness, sexuality and sensuality.

Is this why he's such a rapechad? Mesopotamia roots?
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>>4815890
>dab on Kiara
Why would we want to dab on our daughter? :)

>Kama too
If we ever see her, we're doing more than dabbing on her. Illya has permission to eat her on sight.

>>4815892
That explains everything.
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>>4815896
I like Kama, sadly I can see that we'd be probably completely opposed as of right now. It's only a rando Sakura anyway, instead of ours.
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Remember that no matter how well we raise Kiara she's at risk of being mind vored by her CCC counterpart.
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>>4815898
All Sakuras that we see become ours.
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>>4815899
Sorry concept of Independence

Who gets the concept of Prime btw?
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>>4815898
I'm sorry anon, but there can be no compromise on this. I'll fight to have Kama vored on sight.

What do you like about her anyway?

>>4815899
Yeah, we'll have to protect her. Concept of Compassion has been suggested before, or we might have to figure something else out.
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>>4815902
I honestly couldn't name a specific thing, I just enjoy her.
I would probably try to argue for just jailing her from the Sakura and seeing if she can be made to work as something ala Ishtar, but not to the knife. Probably.
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>>4815901
I originally wanted Tamamo to have Prime so she'd be the one superior to Amaterasu in their soul hierarchy, but now Amaterasu herself is in play as an actor? Maybe?
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>>4815901
Waver.
For the lols.
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>>4815905
Kama is a part timer

I don't have that image of Kama stacking shelves on me somehow, pretend it's here.
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>>4815905
I would begrudgingly accept sealing her inside that Sakura's mind completely so that Sakura can use her powers, but not a work release program like what Ishtar got. I don't see any point at all, other than "one anon likes her". At this rate, Illya won't get to vore anyone. There's always one anon who likes the voree.
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Sakura can probably vore Kama.
Get to work on making Omnibeast Sakura.
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>>4815914
>I don't see any point at all, other than "one anon likes her".
Let the voters decide at that time, then. It's not like its a unilateral decision.
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>>4815790
>>4815783
Support. I see a lot of fanart with Caenis and Mordred so they can probably be friends
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>>4815917
Kama doesn't get to come out of Gay Baby Jail.
Poo Gods were right.
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>>4815920
That's also a good point. Unless Hindu Gods in the Reverse get dunked, then Kama of this Tree isn't getting out ever.
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>>4815919
Caenis has dialogue lines with Mo, they get on in game
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>>4815923
>>4815920
Well, to be specific. Kama got vaporized and scattered into the universe. It's Mara that's locked under Hindu Gods, and the actual "kama" that appears is the syncretized/fused Kama-Mara.
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>>4815915
She certainly can, but not without eating her meatpuppet too.

>>4815917
Sure thing, but I'll probably be pushing for Illya vore in that case. I still don't see any point at all in keeping Kama around other than "one anon likes her".
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I always wanted to put a concept on Jason's boat so we can summon people related to the Argonauts too, Achilles cause his dad was an Argonaut, Chiron cause he taught Argonauts etc
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>>4815923
Hopefully Vritra doesn't decide to go eat them or something.
Then again Vritra is a hard counter to Beast 3 so she could probably vore Kiara or Kama.
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>>4815927
I don't think we'll be able to do that if we give Jason his shipwaifu. We can summon Achilles whenever, we still have his dagger. And Chiron won't be hard if we use his students as catalysts.
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>>4815926
>I still don't see any point at all in keeping Kama around other than "one anon likes her".
This is why I said it as let the voters decide, as we don't actually know if its "one anon", only that at the time right now it appears to be only me.

So, I'll be banking on that, and devoured Authorities not having the Authority itself, just gets converted into pure energy.
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>>4815929
Alcides has Chiron's Immortality in King's Order, and he uses the weapons that killed him.

The spear Achilles uses was also a gift to his dad from Chiron.

We'd be able to direct a summoning circle well enough
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>>4815928
Wouldn't Vritra with her new emotions be more susceptible to mindfuck Beasts now?
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>>4815932
So Vritra would turn off their Nega-Skills and Beast stuff, but not the skills the Beast Candidate themselves would have, and Kiara and co are mindfuckers even without Beast shit.
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When Sakura vored Nrvnqsr do you think she got his ability to completely absorb people and their power/intelligence to use for herself?
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>>4815933
That'd be a moment when Shinji unzips Beloved of Alaya for a sec to no-sell it
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>>4815935
If any phantasmals ended up on the dinner table tonight we might see something interesting.

I always found the enigmatic attacks of a Soul Eater interesting and underexplored
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>>4815935
Seeing as her body isn't a shifting mass of Chaos Tide, I'd say either no, or its Sealed.
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>>4815783
>"Caenis, how would you feel about having Poseidon's influence removed from your body?"
>If you feel the loss of power something you'd not want to give up, I can always offer you something in it's place. Talk to a few of the other Servants over dinner tonight, or even have words with Nobu here about what I can offer.
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
Why not both?
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>>4815936
Right, we are completely immune, but that doesn't mean we should let others into mindfuck range, unless we want Kiara to melt them or something like that.
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>>4815941
Could be that it's restricted to her vore realm.
>>4815933
I doubt our Obstacle Dragon would be susceptible to mindfuck.
Also Asha Vajra rapes anybody without god tier regen.
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>>4815944
>Beloved of Alaya: B (EX)
An exceptionally powerful variant of Charisma, boosted beyond the logical maximum of the skill due to leaving an impression on the true form of Alaya itself. Kept subconsciously sealed to be roughly equal to Charisma equal to B usually. If this skill were to be activated to it's fullest, then any being born of humanity would be unable to resist the commands of the skill's owner, however, the actual method to unseal this skill is unknown.
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>>4815930
I admire your confidence in Kama's popularity.

>a Divine Spirit or even a God touched by Illyasviel for long enough would simply cease to exist entirely and their divine core would be incorporated as part of Illyasviel's own.
And it's more than energy. Illya vores entire cores.

>>4815931
Yes, exactly.

>>4815935
No.
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>>4815944
Vritra is mega immortal and eternal though.
Suzuka also no-sells mindfuck I think.
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>>4815948
>I admire your confidence in Kama's popularity.
It's less confidence and more hope.

>>4815947
You meant unsealing it? uh..

Also, I don't want to bet on anything with a mind against Kiara mindfuck that doesn't have an explicit anti-mind skill like Suzuka, Hopeman or something like that, its explicitly pretty encompassing and strong regardless of existential scale, and if you fuck it up its GG.
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>>4815947
Let's not brainwash people ourselves so we can save them from being brainwashed by her.
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>>4815954
>>4815953
last resort really.

Could just metagame the thing BB did in Seraphix and apply a bunch of code debuffs to negate her Authorities
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>>4815957
Or, and hear me out here for a bit, we could only bring people who are 100% immune to her mindfuck powers? If we activate Beloved we've lost, it's not a last resort, it's Mutually Assured Destruction.
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The part that makes me leery about sending anyone without mindfuck defense are the lines:

"...Like this, no matter how much power one has, it becomes meaningless before a Tenma."

"... against any sentient being possessing intelligence (pleasure), regardless of scale or structure."

These statements are the ones that give me pause regardless. If you feel any pleasure/lust/love you're straight fucked.
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>>4815961
I think Vritra could tank regardless.
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>>4815783
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"

I'm not sure about talking about this right here and now is the best idea since we're not going to follow up on the promise immediately and we've barely met. And it is an offer to touch the most intimate part of her there is.

>>4815958
>>4815957
I do wonder, under what circumstances unsealing that skill would actually be a good idea. Maybe in a Reality Marble?
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>>4815965
I think she became more vulnerable now that she has real emotions. Being Eternal and unkillable doesn't make her immune to other avenues of influence.
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>>4815966
>And it is an offer to touch the most intimate part of her there is.
That's why the nigger wants to do it.

I honestly can't imagine any circumstances where we'd want to unseal Beloved. It's a massive drawback, not an asset.

>>4815968
Yeah, nothing in there says she's immune to mindfuck powers.
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Direct Counterforce link might help against slut nun desu.
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>>4815973
She is capable of fucking the entire Planet, so thats questionable. Mindbroken Alaya?
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>>4815975
Though Unbranching World may have made our version more powerful by a lot.
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>>4815976
It did, our Alaya is as strong as all the others combined. But why risk it? Strength doesn't mean immunity to mindfuck, and our Alaya is very much emotional.
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>>4815978
Mostly going by Beloved granting immunity, but I also wouldn't bet on it. The distributed nature may be the defense itself, and a direct link could be exploited? Who knows. Not me.
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>>4815978
Vritra is still a conceptual obstacle.
I imagine she apply that to resistance to mindfuckery.
We saw her apply it to stalemating Mordred at Halo.
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Alaya could attempt to possess Kiara and vore her mind directly.
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>>4815980
As much as you might hate that game anon, Halo is not a mindfuck.
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What state Kiara is even in at this point in time? Shouldn't she still be a child?

We should gather some intelligence. Maybe there's time to nip that shit in the bud still.
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>>4815985
Since Orochi at least had Nega-Divinity that means Beasts are active. Its said that if one Beast is active all of them happen. So at least a Beast 3 has to exist, even if its not Kiara and Kama-Mara.
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>>4815985
She's still a child in our world, and we'll be saving and adopting her next week. Our Kiara will grow up to be whatever she wants, probably a doctor.

But she is vulnerable to possession from herself from alternate realities where she wasn't so lucky. We'll need to prevent this.
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>>4815987
>tfw we just wanted to kill our grandfather and accidentally triggered an additional apocalypse on top of what was already happening because of presence in the multiverse
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>>4815783
>>4815942
Switch to
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?
Guess people don't want both
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>>4815988
We're going to need to find a way to monitor the timeline for incursions like that of Manaka(R) and Merlin. Especially if we begin to make more frequent excursions or usage of Second, prompting further retaliation/containment/raids of opportunity.
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>>4816001
Yeah, it really would be nice if we could respond to them before they became a problem.

As for retaliation, when we've dealt with Manaka we should work to establish a truce between our Alaya and the others. Merlin defected, they're currently evenly matched, and we can swing the balance of power in our Alaya's favor when our hands are no longer tied. They'll have to agree to let us be or else. That would leave only Beasts and other common enemies as our problem.
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>>4816006
Probably should talk with out Alaya tonight if possible.
A lot has happened, with Merlin and Vritra, we should have a chat with her.
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>>4816010
Yes, definitely Alaya tonight. We saved her from the beast, we turned the knife the other Alayas sent against her. We have to talk to her about our plans, and we need to ask her to to let Redman and Artoria retire.
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>>4816013
Artoria's contract already has a baked in escape clause. If she gives up on the Grail its void and null.
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What won?
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>>4816016
Isn't this only if she destroys the Grail of her own will? We don't want to destroy it, we want to secure it, purify it and use it.
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>>4815790
>>4816023
this but there's another vote that adds taking us to Jason
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>>4816023

>"Caenis, how would you feel about having Poseidon's influence removed from your body?"
>If you feel the loss of power something you'd not want to give up, I can always offer you something in it's place. Talk to a few of the other Servants over dinner tonight, or even have words with Nobu here about what I can offer.
>>4815790
>>4815796
>>4815919

>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
>>4815857
>>4815966
>>4815991

It's a tie
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>>4816013
Also disarming the suicide bomb.
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>>4816029
Oh, right. I forgot about her. That too.
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>>4815783
>>4815790
+1
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>>4816030
Infinity or Boundlessness?
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So I guess we'll be letting Jason fondle Medea Lily for a while then.
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>>4816034
Both of those would kill us, and they seem kind of a waste for just a fixed core. Maybe Mending or something similar?
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>>4816025
She just has to stop seeking it. Essentially its not getting Alaya's pat of the deal, and cancelling it before it gets finalized.
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>>4815783
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
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>>4816034
Infinity is for Sasaki
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>>4816036
Its not really a core thing. Shes just unstable in general, as shes boundless. Like how Avenger Nobu is fundamentally unstable due to being too many things and being far from any "truth".
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>>4816036
Pretty sure we can fix her core without having to concept it.
Also Boundlessness is her whole shtick. If its fitting its easier to implant right?
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>>4816032
>>4816039
Tie again.

>>4816037
Well, I guess then Alaya will tell us the contract is already dissolved.

>>4816041
>>4816043
I admit I haven't bothered to read that much about her. Fitting concept means easier to concept yes, but a vast concept like boundlessness will still kill us like Time almost did. We'll need Dragon Core + Sash + dragon Alitheia at a minimum, and even then it might not be enough. Time was unique in its ease.
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>>4816043
Shift her from Boundlessness (Wuji) to Ultimate Taikyoku
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tfw should've already made the character sheets for Argonauts.
Oh well, it's not like any of them have anything different about them right now, so I might just leave the creation of sheets until after you concept or change any of them.
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>>4816041
Avenger Nobu is just proof that NP ranks don't mean jack shit.
Her Demon King transformation is A-.
Jack the Ripper's demon transformation is A+.
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>>4816053
Isn't Jack's transformation highly dependent on the area he's in?
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>>4816053
I think we already knew? Since stuff like Godhand reads Rank and not actual effect, so we knew was not one to one. This just cements it.
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>>4816054
It's A+ at it's highest.
and most Grail Wars will be taking place in a city anyway.
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>>4815783
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
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>>4816043
Maybe shift from being Boundless to Ultimate? Still a very strong concept but it has edges and definitions. May help her not fall apart.
0->1
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>A sword said to be wielded by a nameless Heroic Spirit.

>She split off from a certain Heroic Spirit, and was tasked to fight for eternity as a Guardian for humans.
>It is not known whether this fate was a curse or if it was indeed her wish.

>Whatever the case, it seems like she was enjoying herself despite the endless battle. >She must have been, since she liked to give names to attacks she claimed to be ultimate moves. But come on, show some mercy to the one always by her side. Quit throwing me!

>Speaking as the one who she's wielded, and who has been by her side for so long now, I once accidentally asked if she ever got tired of all this.
>Her completely serious, even deadpan response was, "Are you tired of it?" I was about to say that I was actually getting sick of it, but when she started to look sad, I said, "Not really," without thinking. Crap.

>"At the edge of distant time,
the gods, demons, and human prayers all intertwined to create this fragment of light.
It stands here, in the land of eternity."

Nobunaga named her sword "Purgatory", and it can talk to her. Cute.
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>>4816064
>the land of eternity.
Artoria in Avalon 2.0: Okita in Tokoyo when?
Its even a Utopia on on the "other side of the sea", island, has special fruit.
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>>4815783
>"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?"
to prevent ties
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>>4816062
Would Ultimate actually keep her from being a self destruct weapon though? As a notion it seems like it wouldn't be in conflict with this.

If I'm reading the wiki page correctly being a disposable asset is substantial part of what she is, so we could go about it either by turning her against her original purpose with something like
>Defiance

or to grant her ability to not die when killed, like Sakuranon earlier mentioned
>Mending
>Reconstitution
>Resurgence
>Persistence
>Integrity
>Wholesomeness

Although some of those might also doom her to eternal service which may in long term turn out to be subjectively worse deal for her.
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So are you actually planning on turning the Argo into a woman?
Because according the myth, it can in fact already talk.
Also give prophecies.
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>>4816130
Yes.
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>>4816124
I was mainly trying to rope the usual eastern super concepts that she seems to use to sword.

Wuji (Delimited, Boundless, Limitless) into Taiji (Supreme Ultimate, Zenith). This is a "natural progression", and the Taiji is ultimately stable and polar instead of nothing and non-polar.

As to whether that makes sense, thats different.
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>>4816130
That makes it even better
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>>4816130
Yes
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>>4816130
Perfect.
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>>4816130
Hot.
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>>4816130
yes we need ship girls in this quest
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>>4816130
We're taking Jason's waifu, it's only fair that we ship him with someone who loves him for real. We owe him for Illya, and it's very possible Medea will find it hilarious enough to agree to spare him.
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>>4816169
Our favor to him is for Medea not to feed him to dragons
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>>4816181
We... haven't actually done that yet. We just convinced her to wait until after the War.
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>>4816169
>shipping Jason with Argo
Heh
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>>4815783
>-Betty and Abby touch her ears.
Our daughters go right for the best parts, I see.
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"Would you mind leading the way to Jason?" You just want to see Jason, after all, and while it's pretty obvious that the kids are a little preoccupied with toying with Atalanta, it's pretty clear that Alcides will probably want to go and see his friend too. You also want to make sure that he's not about to summon somebody that he might regret summoning, or if he does end up summoning Medea Lily, that you're going to be there to make sure that she doesn't have to labor under her curse of love for Jason any longer. While you can't really tell how she'll react when the skill representing her curse is taken from her, you don't really think she'll have as much hatred for Jason as she has for him when she's an adult though. Even if she has the memories, as she's still young, it's not like she lived through those memories... It's something like the difference between knowing your future, or living through that future yourself. Or something.

"Fine. I can tell that Atalanta isn't going to be very good company anymore anyway." Caenis looks over at Atalanta once again, frowning as she spots her fellow Argonaut now literally being dog piled by the children. Somehow, it looks like Rin has managed to get herself dragged into the fun physically by one of the girls, while Olga remains somewhat distant from things still. The poor girl clearly doesn't know what to make of things. You can't imagine that in Waver's faction, the Servants were being nearly as affable with one another.

Caenis leads you down a ladder into the heart of the Argo, and the gentle rocking of the ship is far more visible when you're actually surrounded on all sides by it. You spot a hooded and masked man sitting on a crate, eyeing you with suspicion, but not saying anything. Ah, Asclepius. You wonder how the hero might react if you were to show him Truth Healing. The ultimate unparalleled healing magic that can reverse any wound no matter the circumstances of the damage. Even damage done by something like Mystic Eyes of Death perception can be healed. Through wielding the power of Truth, your healing abilities are unparalleled among well, everybody who exists. At least when it comes to healing damage done to the body. You're admittedly not an expert at healing the soul or the mind, after all.

Caenis, Alcides, Nobunaga, Chiyome and you keep walking, following Caenis as she leads you to a somewhat fancier looking room. The captain's quarters, you'd wager. Upon opening the door, you can see Jason looking at a somewhat unfamiliar looking summoning circle and speaking in Greek, he's probably calling out to any Argonauts that might heed his call. Castor and Pollux aren't around, so you can only assume the two of them are somewhere else in the ship, maybe their own quarters. Still, Jason seems to be in the middle of summoning somebody right now, so you aren't really sure if you should interrupt him or wait...

>Interrupt Jason.
>Wait for him to finish.
>Write-in...
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
We have to save Medea Lily.

I hope our witch wife is watching what we're about to do.
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
What's the worst that could happen? What could go wrong?

If it really ends up being another Medea I guess she joins the Next Generation class.
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
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>>4816221
>>Wait for him to finish.
Is he stupid enough to summon Medea Lily is the question. Who knows, maybe he's summoning Thesus or Orpheus
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
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Calling in ten
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish.
Imma let him finish
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>>4816221
>Wait for him to finish
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Why is Pain Breaker anti-thaumatergy???
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>>4816279
Someone forgot to change it after they copy pasted Rule Breaker's stats?
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>>4816281
>The classification of Noble Phantasms that are meant to be used for the dispelling and destruction of magecraft and other thaumaturgy.
It's a healing Noble Phantasm for god's sake!
What the hell?
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So we just tell Chiyome to give Lily a handshake to say hello, and curse broken?
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>>4816284
I'm 100% sure it's anti-Thaumaturgy just because Rule Breaker is anti-Thaumaturgy.
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>>4816285
Something like that, yes, only with a headpat.
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desu I don't think it's actually Medea. Unless he suddenly changed his mind.

Would Circe qualify?
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So are we punching Jason again?
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>>4816292
Well QM started talking about Medea Lily's NP so it's almost certainly Medea Lily. Circe is Argo affiliated but she isn’t an Argonaut
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>>4816293
Why what did he do this time?
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>>4816292
No Circe is not an Argonaut. It's either Medea, or as anon said maybe Theseus or Orpheus. But why else would WhatIs ask about Pain Breaker now?

>>4816293
I'd say no, unless he does something really stupid.
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By the way, is Odysseus/Ulysses a servant? He's my favorite Greek hero, and I don't think anyone mentioned him yet.
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I figured out how Medea broke the curse of love, by the way.
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>>4816304
Enter MECHACHAD
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>>4816304
Have you tried searching the wiki?
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Odysseus
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>>4816305
She Pain Breakered herself, turning her Noble Phantasm to Rule Breaker in the process?
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>>4816221
>Ah, Asclepius. You wonder how the hero might react if you were to show him Truth Healing.
Maybe we should ask him to make us birth control so we don't have 30 kids by the end of the year
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Enter THE TROJAN HORSE
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>>4816306
If Odysseus was always a mechachad, than why did he need to make a burnt stick to poke Polythemus?
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>>4816310
What a weird looking horse
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>>4816309
Don't worry anon, we'll learn Truth Item Creation just so we can make Truth condoms.

We still won't use them.

>>4816310
I hate the greekoid mechachad aesthetic so fucking much.
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>>4816313
It's also a TRANSFORMER
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>>4816310
>>4816306
>>4816316
I am both amazed and dissapointed at the same time.
I mean, he was the only famous Greek hero we never mentioned. And he met Circe too.
Why is he so diferent from Achiles and the others?
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>>4816312
The myth was distorted, the burnt steak was actually a laser.

>>4816316
HAAAAATE

>>4816317
Nasu is a hack and gachashit is a blight upon the world.
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>>4816317
Nanomachines.
Unironically.
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>>4816320
>>4816319
That's a bummer. He was a total chad in the Odyssey. And he did everything to go back to his wife. Shinji'd certainly respect him.
He's after the cuttoff date right? So Shinji doesn't know what he looks like then?
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>>4816306
Technically this version of him is the Lostbelt one, the one that can be summoned by the player is using the Lostbelt body but he has the mind of regular Odysseus
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>>4816320
I miss the time where the most egregious mythical mental gymnastics were king Arthur and Emperor Nero being identical looking women and Medusa riding Pegasus.
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Argo-chan
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>>4816328
Oh no, he knows what he looks like.
He's also a villain in his only appearance so far.
The fake Lostbelt Version basically killed and absorbed his Proper Human History counterpart's memories and Noble Phantasm, with exception of his love for Penelope, or something.

>>4816330
That's meant to be Aigis, actually.
His armor.
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>>4816333
You mean to tell me you don't like the idea of the Greek Gods being a fleet of alien spaceships that came from another universe after being sent through a universal barrier by a Gigantic Dyson Sphere to terraform a planet for their creator race which all died?
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>>4816337
Human History Odysseus sealed away the memories of Penelope out of pure spite
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>>4816340
I don't see why alien spaceships should be such mundane assholes.
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You'll wait for Jason to finish. Interrupting the summoning of a Servant can be dangerous, after all, and could cause the energies within the summoning circle to go haywire and cause all sorts of damage. So it's better to just watch and wait for Jason to finish. He continues speaking in Greek, apparently sending out an invitation to one of the other Argonauts who exist upon the Throne of Heroes, and you cross your arms as you wait for him to finish. While your knowledge of the Greek language is somewhat decent, you can't understand the ancient dialect that Jason is speaking, all you can really gather is the tone and intention of his words.

The circle begins to glow brightly as Jason finishes speaking, and the soft glow soon grows to envelope the entire room, and in the center of the new inactive circle stands a girl with a long light blue ponytail, wielding a staff and wearing a somewhat ceremonial looking dress. "I heard your call, Jason! I've come to aid you!" The girl smiles happily at the blonde man. He... He didn't... Jason himself takes a step backwards away from Medea Lily.

[Status Updated]

"I can't believe you." You reveal your presence in the room, and Jason nearly falls backwards in surprise when he realizes you've shown at at perhaps the most inopportune moment possible. "Alcides, you could understand what he was saying right? He wasn't actually looking to summon her, right?"

Alcides looks at Jason, and then at Medea. "No, he wasn't. His invitation was a more general one. I don't imagine he was actually attempting to summon Medea specifically, but... It seems that this particular version of her decided that she wanted to meet him again regardless." You can tell that Alcides isn't exactly all that happy with seeing Medea Lily. While he has no problem with the girl herself, her problem is almost certainly with the divine curse of love placed upon her by the Goddess of Love. A reminder of the callousness and frankly evil actions of the Greek Gods right before his eyes. A girl who was cursed with such powerful love for a man she had never met previously that she didn't hesitate to butcher her own kin in order to create a distraction to allow an escape. Seeing as Alcides also got to experience the Gods messing with his emotions, he must have a great deal of sympathy for the girl he sees before him now.

"That's right, Jason! I love you!" The girl takes a step towards the man, who despite everything, is seemingly quite terrified of the girl as she takes a step towards him. Either PTSD, or the realization that now he's almost certainly going to have to deal with the other Medea truly baying for his blood. Of course, Medea Lily won't serve as any defense either, thanks to Alítheia granting Medea additional power, she is now an even greater deal more powerful than her younger self.
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"Hold on! I was trying to summon Orpheus!" Jason tries to stop Medea Lily from encroaching any further, and he must very much be aware that depending on his actions here, he's very much in danger of being seriously hurt. If Medea catches him taking advantage of her younger self, you don't think any amount of Argonauts would be able to protect him from what Medea would do to him. "Look, this is all a mistake, I didn't actually think that she'd respond to a summoning after you said that she'd already been summoned!" Jason basically tries to convince you that he really did end up making a mistake, and the strange thing is that you kind of believe him. Still, something probably needs to be done here...

>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
>Break the curse on Medea Lily yourself.
>Leave Medea Lily's curse alone for now.
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
>Write-in...
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>>4816413
>>Break the curse on Medea Lily yourself.
Gonna have to break our promise cause of this one exception that's completely out of our hands
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>>4816413
Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
There is absolutely no reason to break our promise
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>>4816340
Alien spaceships don't rape eachother and cut their parent's balls off and get drunk in the woods.
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
Do it.
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>Mystery Noble Phantasm for Medea Lily.
Big hmmm. Too bad she doesn't have the ingredients for dessert.
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily
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>>4816413
>"I believe you. However, that also means you will not object if the young lady is relieved of her curse."
>Have Chiyome break the curse.

I'm a bit unsure about turning Argo right now but I guess it is a good chance...
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
We promised
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>>4816434
...yeah, better not. Shipgirl will have to wait for tomorow. Medea will be livid enough as it is. Until the little Medea is freed, then she'll hopefully be just smug.
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
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>>4816444
Yeah, I agree anon. Jason will have to wait a day for his shipfu, we shouldn't upset our wives for him. And I imagine Medea will be wet after she sees Chiyome break the curse.

I am actually surprised to see so many anons want to break our promise for Jason, of all people.
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>>4816448
I'm somewhat fearful he'll get angry at us and do something rash, after we punched him and now made Lily hate him.
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>>4815814
I'm busy hosting a Vinland Saga watch party this week, prease andastd and wait for the weekend
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>>4816464
>Jason basically tries to convince you that he really did end up making a mistake
Anon, he's almost reduced to begging for his life here. He knows he can't fuck with us, not after we killed grandpa. We'll tell him all about his shipfu to cheer him up, we'll just actually do it tomorrow.
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily
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>>4816464
Well we did come here among other things to say we appreciate how he handled himself with Ishtar. So we can segue by saying something along the lines
>"Jason, you helped a dear friend of mine when she needed it. Your quick thinking and loyalty to your friend deserves recognition. I have something in mind you will find extremely agreeable."
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Regarding the feast, how are we going to go about inviting Argonauts over? I'm guessing the ship needs at least some crew left behind.

In this having her turned into a shipgirl would be extra handy since we could bring everyone to mansion. But we did make a promise... maybe we can simply have some of the food teleported over on dinner time for those on Argo.

Maybe it would be feasible to also bring everyone to Argo instead but that would probably be too cramped and without access to facilities.
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We should give Jason a break and tell him that we'll convince Medea not to eviscerate him for his bravery and quick thinking with the whole Ishtar situation, he did save us A LOT of trouble and gave us the path to being friends with Gil
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You promised not to wear yourself out or do dangerous things anymore. The concept that Shinji is thinking of won't even really drain him at all.
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>>4816495
Can Medea teleport a whole ship? Do we have enough space for it?
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>>4816495
We'll have the ship beached and brought to our backyard. It's certainly big enough to accomodate the ship, and Alcides will probably be able to carry it by himself. It's too dangerous to leave it in the harbor where Tesla can railgun it any minute anyway.

>>4816498
Agreed, but after we save Medea Lily.
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>>4816499
Could we ask Medea if it would be ok?
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>>4816499
Oh ok
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>>4816448
Would she? We're not the ones doing anything, Chiyome is, it's not like when we punched Jason for talking shit about her
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>>4816499
Well it's too late now, only like one person voted for us to do it, unless everyone starts switching
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>>4816504
You have a mental link to her.
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>>4816499
Well, if you confirm it.

>>4816504
I second asking Medea if it would be ok. Give me a moment

>>4816506
It's still her younger self being saved due to our intervention and our order, even if we don't do it personally. I don't see why not.

>>4816509
Immediate shipfu is actually close enough to win with a couple switches.

>>4816510
Good that you haven't called yet.
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>>4816509
Well if you want to switch, I'm about to groceries.
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>>4816413
Switch >>4816422 to
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
>Mentally contact Medea, ask her if it would be alright for you to apply a concept that wouldn't tax you at all.
>If she says yes, ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo
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>>4816515
I'm talking about us personally breaking the curse, QM literally just said "No one will get mad at you for breaking the curse, it won't be a broken promise and you'll end up looking good"
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>>4816517
The point of us imposing a concept on Medea Lily is for us to personally break the curse, there’s literally no point if we’re making Chiyome do it first
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>>4816518
No, he said no one will get mad if you concept the Argo. He wasn't speaking about the curse.
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>>4816499
Ok lads. Tonight we dine with sapient warship.

>>4816413
Switching from >>4816434
to
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
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>>4816521
We're not imposing a concept on Medea Lily anon. We're doing one for the Argo to turn her into Jason's shipfu
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>>4816413
Switch from >>4816427
to >>4816517
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>>4816413
>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
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>>4816413
>>4816524

switching again to this >>4816517
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>>4816413
Switching from >>4816437
To >>4816517
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>>4816416
>>4816529
Switching
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>>4816532
>>4816413
Forgot to tag it to the post
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>>4816532
What are you doing anon, you linked two posts that aren't yours
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>>4816536
>>4816416
This is my post
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>>4816413
>>4816438
>>4816517
Switch
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Will Argo forma de loli be strong?
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>>4816543
Jason better appreciate this.
>>4816413
>>4816517
Support.
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>>4816543
WhatIs seems excited about her, so she probably will. And Jason will be ecstatic, he's expecting us to kill him on the spot for summoning Medea Lily, and instead we're giving him a yandere shipfu who'll love him for real.
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>>4816555
99/100
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>>4816567
Let's not cuck true love pls
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>>4816576
There's no love like that of a captain and his boat.
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>>4816576
ours or his?

just kidding. I'll just be glad if he and his shipfu continue to be dependable allies for Illyasviel and Alcides
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I wonder if Argo-chan will have a crushing fetish.
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>>4816584
I wonder if she will have visible armanents. Maybe fist weapons for ramming?
Bow as a ranged option?
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>>4816584
She'll probably want to take some hard Greek stripper morning wood into herself, no question
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Back from grocerie.
What win?
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>>4816595

>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
>>4816420
>>4816433
>>4816478

>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily, and then ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo itself, and it shouldn't even take much magical energy!
>>4816432
>>4816446
>>4816529
>>4816532

>Have Chiyome break the curse on Medea Lily.
>Mentally contact Medea, ask her if it would be alright for you to apply a concept that wouldn't tax you at all.
>If she says yes, ask Jason to take the ship to port. You've had an idea about a concept for the Argo
>>4816517
>>4816528
>>4816530
>>4816531
>>4816541
>>4816552

Asking our witch wife first wins, thanks to a very welcome QM intervention
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>>4816595
You
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Dead quest?
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>>4816687
Yes. Abandon ship.
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>>4816696
We'll have to abandon anyway, ship and captain are about to fuck.
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>>4816687
Perhaps.
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'Chiyome. I want you to touch that girl in any way you can without arising suspicion. Headpat, handshake, a brush-by. I don't care. She's cursed, and I won't have it. I love the woman that girl turns into, and seeing her under the effects of a curse are... not something I can bare to see.' You inform your Servant just what it is that you want her to do, and though Chiyome doesn't mentally respond, you can tell that she's already preparing to carry out your wishes. The girl's attention locking onto the small girl pouting at Jason's apparent fear of her appearance.

"What's the problem, Jason? Are you not happy to see me? I've been waiting to see you again for so long!" She takes another step towards the panicking Lancer, but in that same exact moment, in a blur of speed, Chiyome dashes past Medea Lily, laying a hand on her for merely a fraction of a second. Her speed was great enough that one could be forgiven for thinking of her rapid movement as a gust of wind, Medea Lily suddenly seizes up and falls to her knees. Her eyes wide and full of tears.

"M-Medea...? What... What just happened?" Jason takes a step towards the kneeling girl. "Is there... something wrong?"

"I... I don't know anymore. I don't... I don't know how I feel..." The girl's face goes pure white, before she suddenly takes off and runs out of the room. None of you attempt to block her path as the girl tries desperately to get away from everyone around her.

[Status Updated!]

"She needs some privacy. I just took the liberty of having Chiyome break the curse that Aphrodite placed upon Medea back then, and... well, she's obviously going to have to think about things by herself now. Without the influence of a goddess twisting her mind. It's her choice what she thinks about you now." Jason looks regretful, taking a seat in a chair which he slumps into.
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"Good." Unbelievably, Jason says something you weren't expecting from him at all. "It's good that she's not cursed anymore. That curse was nothing but bad news. Did you know that she cut her own brother to pieces just as a distraction for me and the Argonauts because of that curse? If not for that damn curse. I would've been able to love her, you know?" Jason frowns as he looks at the door which Medea left from. "But... How am I supposed to be comfortable loving a girl who butchered her own brother for me without a second thought?" Jason laments. You can sort of understand his point, too. From that moment over, whatever blossoming relationship of True Love the two might've shared with one another would've been shattered entirely. Not for Medea, who would love Jason regardless, but for Jason himself. Seeing such a callous act of kin-slaying would cause just about anybody to become more fearful of a person. "If that Medea can come to terms with her own feelings, fine! I'll accept whatever she decides." Jason declares, you expected him to be more upset about the girl no longer being under a compulsion to love him. Yet he's showing some pretty remarkable maturity. The presence of Alcides is really bringing out the best in Jason, it seems.

"You... really don't care?" You're very much surprised by Jason's acceptance of things.

"Of course I care! This could end up with two Medea trying to kill me instead of just one! But... At least this way, she'll get the chance to make her own mind up, rather than being driven mad by my betrayal of her." He sighs, before getting out of his seat and peering out of a porthole in the ship at the bay of Fuyuki. "I know I made the wrong choices, in life. As a hero, as a husband, and as a king. If this is to be my second chance at life, then I'm not going to waste it. Medea no longer being under that damn curse... I can only hope that she can forgive me for what I would've ended up doing to her. I know that she knows what happened. She's a Servant, after all." Jason sighs again. You actually kind of feel bad for the blonde Lancer.

'Medea... Would you mind if I used my abilities to apply a concept that wouldn't be taxing at all?' You kind of want to do something nice for Jason, as a way to thank him for acting like a mature adult and also for his part he played in saving Illyasviel. His trickery and deception was probably one of the few reasons that Ishtar remained out in the open before she had finished assimilating her host.

'So long as you don't pass out from it, I'll accept that.' Medea's voice comes through the mental link, and you mentally celebrate a little. You're happy that she's so understanding, then again, it's something to be expected from a woman who's spent so long using magic for all sorts of stuff, Medea is the sort of person who could simply use her magic instead of having to do... well, basically anything, if she felt like it.
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'Thanks, Medea!' You thank the woman, before you turn to Jason. "Stop sulking, I want you to summon the crew up to and take this ship to port." You start to think about the concept to apply to the Argo. The boat itself is supposedly somewhat intelligent thanks to its construction and the materials used to create it, so should therefore be a prime target for something like Anthropomorphism. "Don't ask questions, either."

"Huh? I... Suppose so. Why could you possibly want to dock though...?" Jason is more asking himself a question about you than he is asking you a question, which is good, because you have no intention of answering any questions. This is going to be a surprise, both for Jason, and all of the Argonauts... And maybe for you as well! You don't even know if this is going to work, after all.

Jason raises no complaints as he leads you back up to the top of the ship, Caenis is remaining quiet. Jason quickly has Asclepius go fetch Castor and Pollux, with the final stipulation that he is also to fetch Medea Lily, when the ship is docked. He grumbles a bit about being a doctor and not an errand boy, but complies with the orders of his captain regardless. Jason is relatively speechless as he comes up top, only to see Atalanta still being mercilessly pet by a collection of children. At this point, even Olga has joined in.

The ship soon raises anchor, before Jason heads back to the Fuyuki docks, the ship is surprisingly quick for a wooden war galley. Soon enough, the ship has finished docking, and you look out at the amassed Argonauts as well as your own allies. "Alright, everyone, I want everyone to get off the ship for a moment." You inform the crew, who look at each other for a moment before looking to Jason, who nods. While they might not respect him as a person, they'll still listen to the orders of their captain if they feel like it. After all, as a commander, Jason is pretty excellent. Everyone obliges your commands, and you're the last person to leave the ship, just after Jason. Though even after leaving the ship, you reach out and place a palm against the hull of the boat. You start to spread your magical energy throughout it, ten seconds is all you need.

"What... exactly are you doing?" Jason looks a little bit concerned with just what you're up to, and decides that it's finally worth disregarding your request not to ask any questions. Well, it's too late for you to answer any questions now anyway, as your magical energy has almost finished flowing around the boat. It's a strange entity, this vessel. Caught between sapience and being inanimate. It's not a developed enough form of life to have a true internal world, instead, a sort of visualization of a large oak tree appears in your mind as you apply your chosen concept for the ship, 'Anthropomorphism'. You take your hand away as you're happy that your magic worked, and you can see the Argo beginning to glow bright white, before it seemingly disappears entirely.
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"My ship! You bastard, what the hell did you do to my ship you bastard!?" Jason, in a moment of genuine anger, starts trying to pick a fight with you. The bond between a captain and his ship is a truly deep one, after all. However, before Jason can do something that he'd be made to regret very quickly, he's suddenly tackled by a girl who leaps out of the water with all the grace of a brick. The girl collides directly into the man and sends him to the ground.

"Jason~!" The girl says in a cheerful tone, almost as if she's about to burst out into a cheery song. "Jason~! Jason~! Jason~!" She says the name of the Lancer multiple times, and you try to get a better look at the girl. Her beautiful young face has blue and white markings upon it, matching the markings that were once on the prow of the ship, and her headdress is identical to the one that was once worn by the ship's figurehead. The dress the girl wears is sail-like in design, and it seems to be trimmed with... rope? There's no doubt about it, this is the Argo.

[Status Updated!]

"Hold on...! Who are you?!" Jason has no idea what to make of the girl showing him an incredible amount of love.

>Just watch, this is funny.
>Explain things to everyone here.
>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Write-in...
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>>4816769
>Explain things to everyone here.
She the cutest, I love her.
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>>4816769
>>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
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>"I'm a boat, I don't know how to fight! Jason! Heeeelp~!
They're perfect for each other.
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>>4816769
>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Explain things to everyone here.
First Argo-chan introduces herself, then we explain everything.

How much did you laugh with this, WhatIs?
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>>4816769
>>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Explain things to everyone here.
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>>4816778
Her charsheet is hilarious. Jason will be on a honeymoon cruise around the world alone with his shipfu next week.
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What's her hair colour?
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>>4816786
Beech brown.
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>"What do you mean, gain weight? Are you talking like... how much cargo I can carry?"

Fucking Fatfags
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Also, blue eyes, like the ocean.
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>>4816769
Marvelous.

>>4816769
>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
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>>4816779
>>4816769
+1
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>>4816794
>50t
She's a big girl
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>>4816792
Neat. How does Medea feel right now?
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>>4816799
Medea or Medea Lily?
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>>4816769
>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Explain things to everyone here.
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>>4816801
Yes.
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>>4816795
poetry
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>>4816805
One is amused.
the other is still reeling emotionally.

So, do you like Argo?
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>>4816769
>Watch for a moment or two, this is funny
>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Explain things to everyone here.

Also, does the curse removal also remove the curse from the throne medea lily or just our concept thing can change that?
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>>4816810
I love her, she's adorable.
Is Medea willing to let bygones be bygones after hearing Jason say that about Lily?
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>>4816766
>only to see Atalanta still being mercilessly pet by a collection of children. At this point, even Olga has joined in.
They are going to kill her.
We should take a picture.
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>>4816810
Argo-chan is fun. I like her already.

>>4816812
If my understanding is correct, Chiyome didn't affect the Throne, but when we Concept Medea Lily this version will overwrite the backup.

>>4816815
We'll ask her anon, don't be impatient.
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>>4816816
We should make her Godmother

>>4816810
She's cute
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>>4816816
Then she'll die happy, doing the thing she loves the most.

We definitely should take a picture of the girls petting the big cat. We have a cellphone and we're not afraid to use it.
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>>4816810
She is cute.
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>>4816816
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>>4816766
Just watch, this is funny
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Another Servant to add onto the pile of ludicrously overpowered Servants.
At least Argo is dense. In both senses of the term
.
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>>4816835
We need drawfag to comeback
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>>4816825
It's 2004.

>>4816805
I really want to see Medea and Medea have a chat now.
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What happens to the other Medea if we concept one of them now, QM?
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>>4816842
You didn't have a phone in 04 that could take pictures?
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>>4816842
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/camera-phone-history/

>By the end of 2004 the camera phone was riding high. Canalys reported that over half of the phones sold worldwide in the first 9 months of 2004 had cameras in them, and two-thirds of all the phones shipped in the third quarter were camera phones. Leading the way was Finnish manufacturer, Nokia.

>>4816846
I assume he was too young to have a phone back then, or he would have known.
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>>4816844
Nothing?
If you concept them both, they'll just become distinct entities on the throne.
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>>4816846
Good pictures? No.
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>>4816854
Imagine hating on 1.3 MP
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>>4816851
So if we give Archer and Shirou two different concepts they won't bleed into each other?
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Gonna call?
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>>4816864
In ten mints.
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>>4816857
>>4816849
Imagine calling that abhorrent imagery a picture.

No, I did have (funnily enough) a Nokia back then, not the newest model. And I do remember all the advertisements focusing on megapixels.
I don't remember a good phone photo though.
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>>4816870
Was fine for the time. There's no need for today's cameras having more than 10 MP
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What's a strong concept we can give our best bro Shirou? He deserves an all encompassing concept like we gave Mordred and Infinity is reserved for Sasaki, maybe Creation or something?
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>>4816874
Determination
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I suppose we could say Makiri Industries accelerated phone camera development...
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>>4816892
Cute and funny?
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>>4816892
We would've 100% sold our soul to Nyarlathotep if they used the form of a cute girl
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>>4816893
High school girl.
But otherwise, yes, Nyaruko is both funny and cute!
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>>4816904
I love cunny!
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Oh what won.
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>>4816923
Cute and funny
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>>4816923

>Ask Argo to properly introduce herself.
>Explain things to everyone here.
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Im really surprised nobody is commenting on Argo's busted Noble Phantasm.
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>>4816939
>"I'm a boat, I don't know how to fight! Jason! Heeeelp~!
How can we ask her to use it in a fight?
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>>4816939
The boat can use Godhand
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So is Jason gonna fuck the boat
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>>4816960
At this rate the boat is gonna fuck him.
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>>4816874
sword
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>>4816810
Hi, 1 post by this ID here.
Riding (Ship): EX makes no sense. It should be Voyager of the Storm or Sailing. We have half a dozen seafarers at this point and they all have those Skills instead of Riding (Odysseus is a seafarer without it, but he only rides the Trojan Horse in Fate). Voyager 1, another anthropomorphic travelling object, also has Voyager of the Stars instead of Riding. Voyager of the Storm isn't even being repeatedly used for gameplay reasons like Mad Enhancement EX spam, because it fucking sucks ass gameplaywise. Using Voyager of the Storm/Sailing would also not require the (Ship) specialization. It would also make more sense considering you made a Skill with the Ship specialization that works for non-Ship vehicles. This reminds me of Musashi's Battle Continuation: EX when Nasu gave her the highest Rank of the Skill to wank her when its effects are just that of Disengage.
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>>4817009
>This reminds me of Musashi's Battle Continuation: EX when Nasu gave her the highest Rank of the Skill to wank her when its effects are just that of Disengage.
Its even weirder cause she isn't weirdly unkillable like King Hasan, she's just pulling Joseph Joestar bullshit
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>>4817009
No, it shouldn't be Voyager of the Storm, because that is the ability to command a crew rolled into sailing a ship, which Argo doesn't have.
I should specify that Argo's Riding (Ships) only applies to water vehicles, and not land vehicles or air vehicles.
If Shirou can consider a spear a sword through UBW, then Argo can consider a jet-ski a ship.

Argo's EX is basically the same sort of thing as Red Hare's Riding: EX.
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>>4817020
>then Argo can consider a jet-ski a ship.
Is it not?
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>>4817020
Well you could've done low Rank VotS with the parts of "commanding a crew" missing. And if you wanted EX Rank like Red Hare's Riding I still don't see any reason for it to not be Sailing: EX instead.
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>>4817023
You wouldn't consider quad a car, would you.
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>>4817036
You see, WhatIs here has been pretending to be Nasu for so long that he's become partially retarded, as a side effect.
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>>4817036
You can't sail a Jetski.
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>>4817036
Also, fucking Jason has Riding: B
And all he does is sail.

>>4817040
Suck my dick.
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>>4817039
well its a land based motor vehicle so they're pretty similar
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>>4817041
>You can't sail a Jet-ski
Correct
>>4817020
>Argo's Riding (Ship) works on water vehicles that are not ships
Correct

>>4817042
Perhaps an alternative name that is both appropriate and more fitting can be worth changing it to? "Riding (Aquatic): EX"? "Riding (Water): EX"? Breaking out the thesaurus feels necessary here, but it isn't tedious nor a waste of time. It adds to the quest and makes it better
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>>4817061
Technically, I gave Jason Riding (Ships)
Argo has Riding (Ship)
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"Argo, you can grope your captain later, I think it might be better if you were to introduce yourself to everyone here first, wouldn't you?" You call out to the girl before she can further rub against Jason. She's like some sort of affectionate cat that's really excited to see her owner. Though you suppose for Argo, this is an opportunity to do things that the vaguely sapient ship would've never gotten a chance to do otherwise. There's no doubt about it, even if Medea Lily's curse of love to Jason has been shattered, this girl loves the man just as much if not even more. A bond between a ship and her captain is a truly strong one.

"Right! Thank you for giving me this body, seaweed head!" You immediately frown at the girl's rather unflattering decision to choose to call you that instead of... well, ask for your name. "Hello everyone! We've already met, and a few of us sailed together on an adventure once! I'm Argo!" The boat turned girl happily introduces herself to the Argonauts who she carried across the waves to retrieve the Golden Fleece. All of them look completely bewildered by her appearance. Not even Caenis is able to avoid her mouth hanging agape in surprise.

"Wait a minute... you mean... you're my Argo?" Despite being normally somewhat observant, it seems that the strangeness of the situation, in addition to the girl still weighing him down, has managed to dull Jason's normally quite decent deductive abilities.

"How many Argo do you know, Captain?" Argo gets off of Jason before she helps him to his feet and quickly attaches herself to his side. The boat very obviously loves Jason a great deal. "You... You don't feel angry about what happened with my wreckage, right...?" The girl looks like she might start crying depending on Jason's answer, and the man instead places a palm on the top of her head, trying to avoid her headpiece as he ruffles her hair.

"Oh, that? I can't blame you for that, Argo. It was my fault for letting you get into such a terrible condition to begin with." He smiles at the girl, forgiving her immediately for her part in putting an end to his original life. He's right of course, it was his fault for sleeping in what was basically a wrecked rotting ship, but even that much shows that Jason, when he was at his lowest, always returned to the Argo. It's just that it eventually ended up killing him, though... It was less killing him, and more like the Argo was putting him out of his misery. There would've been no recovery for Jason after that low point, and he would've likely ended up living out a miserable existence. While the girl herself says that it was entirely accidental, you aren't so sure. Still, it's very obvious that the girl loves Jason a tremendous amount, and you don't think that she'd ever purposely hurt him now that she can be together with the man that she loves.
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"I'm glad, Jason~" The girl hugs the captain of the Argonauts even more tightly now. Well, this was an absolute success. Jason has now finally been united with his one true love. The girl who supported him from the start. The Argo. His greatest supporter of all, and the one who was at his side when he perished. Some could even call this destined love. A man and his boat, united as lovers.

"OK, could somebody please tell me why the Argo turned into a little girl?" Caenis has apparently had enough, and just goes ahead and asks. Atalanta looks at the girl clinging to Jason's side with a gentle smile, clearly she also wants to meet the girl. Castor and Pollux look almost as bewildered as Caenis does. Asclepius... Well, you can't really tell what he's thinking on account of his hood and mask. Finally, there's Medea Lily herself, who is clearly still shaken from the fact that her curse of love was only shattered a few minutes ago, so her actual reaction to the fact that the Argo just turned into a girl that is very obviously trying to pursue Jason romantically isn't exactly something that she's going to show right now. The only one who shows no real emotion at the change is Alcides, looks like he might've already gained as sort of immunity to the strangeness that occurs around you.

"I did it. It's my special ability, I can apply concepts to people and objects that they previously didn't have, though I can only use each individual concept a single time. For Argo here, I used the concept of Anthropomorphism in order to grant her the body of a human... Or, well, at least a humanoid." You weren't expecting for Argo to be quite as powerful as she is as a Servant, but you suppose that it makes at least some sense that she'd have that level of power. She was the legendary vessel who carried the Argonauts, after all.

"Wait... you? A human did this? That's absurd! This is something that only a Goddess like Aphrodite would've been able to manage!" Castor is apparently angry at your explanation, and you turn around to smirk at the Avenger. You really don't like it when people doubt your abilities, especially not people who've never met you before and are just claiming ridiculous things like that. 'Only something Aphrodite could do' what absolute rubbish. Pollux looks kind of annoyed at her brother for his angry and incorrect outburst.
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"Oh please, don't compare me to that chain-smoking hack of a Goddess. It's insulting, my powers far outstrip any pathetic Goddess of Love. Ishtar, Aphrodite... They're all the same." You don't remove the smirk from your face. "You can go and confirm if you want, but there's no point. That girl clinging to Jason's side is the Argo, and all of you know that to be true." Jason is now happily headpatting the girl who seems devoted into being his love interest. There's a lull in the conversation, and it's perfect for you to take the reins of the conversation...

>Speak with one of the Argonauts (Who?)
>Speak with Argo and Jason (About?)
>Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>Tell Castor that you can restore his divinity if you feel like it. Then kiss Pollux just to piss him off.
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
>Write-in...
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>>4817163
>>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
Food
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>>4817163
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
>Speak with one of the Argonauts (Who?)
>>Caenis, ask her is she wishes to be rid of Poseidon's taint tommorow. We could give her a concept as well.
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>>4817160
>"Wait... you? A human did this? That's absurd! This is something that only a Goddess like Aphrodite would've been able to manage!"
i feel like we're gonna spend a fair bit of time bullying Castor
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>>4817163
>>Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
>>Speak with one of the Argonauts (Who?)
>>Caenis, ask her is she wishes to be rid of Poseidon's taint tommorow. We could give her a concept as well.
>>Tell Castor that you can restore his divinity if you feel like it.
We'll cuck Castor later
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>>4817163
Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>Tell Castor that you can restore his divinity if you feel like it. Then kiss Pollux just to piss him off
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>>4817163
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
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>>4817163
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
>Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>Tell Castor that you can restore his divinity if you feel like it.
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>>4817163
>>4817183
Support
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>>4817160
AHHHH NINGENS
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>>4817163
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
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>>4817285
"Humans could be here"
"With a ship, you can go anywhere you want"
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Nobody has realized that I offered you the chance to turn the Argo into a waifu to prevent it from turning into infinite character bloat.
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>>4817302
We got the important ones. But does this actually stop further summoning, or is there just no reason to continue?
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>>4817302
can't Argo turn back into a boat thus allowing Jason to summon again?
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>>4817302
Waifu consolidation is the future of the character economy.
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>>4817338
This is just balancing the equation because we have multiple of Rin around.
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>>4817163
>>4817183
Support
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>>4817302
Wasn’t there like two or three named characters she would be summoning tops? Or would Jason have kept going with all of the fifty something crew complement?

Also what exactly is Argo now? She’s still rather
Master than Servant, no? And supporting all the summoned Argonauts.

Anyways I hope you’re sleeping OP
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>>4817163
>>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
Maybe mention the ability to help Caenis and Castor once we’ve sufficiently rested, but the more immediate concern of eating takes precedence for now
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>>4817338
Didn't really work
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>>4817367
Orpheus and Thesus are really the only important ones left but they haven't canonically shown up yet, they're only mentioned and teased a lot. I guess you can count Achilles's dad but i don't think he was ever really mentioned in Nasuverse
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http://typemoon.com/products/tsukihime/

Some TsukiR visuals
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>>4817422
That Arc makes me seethe.
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>Jason is an NP-let

The absolute state
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>>4817160
Heh. We broke Alcides.

>>4817302
I realized it as soon as I read her Noble Phantasm. I just didn't want to say anything if you wouldn't.

>>4817456
Me too anon. Me too.

>>4817500
Are you not satisfied with the result of your autism?
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>>4817551
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>>4817163
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
The kids have been introduced to the one Argonaut who mattered. Castor doesn't get the offer to have his divinity restored until he behaves. Everything else can wait.
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>>4817163
>Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
Then:
>Pollux, a friend of mine has problems opening up outside of battle, would you be interested in a boxing match with him to help him come out of his shell? He might prove even you a challenge
>Caenis, after you've recovered from your hangover tomorrow we should have words. I might be able to do something about that Divine stench you so wish to wash yourself of. I could also offer you something in it's place to not compromise your power as a warrior, I hope my demonstration here with Argo-tan proved sufficient to gauge your interest?
>And you, Castor. Any more comments like that and I might reconsider offering you your Divinity back. Know your place, fellow ningen.

I caught that anon's triple post required retard moment I guess
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Not many posts, I see.
I thought Argo would spark more discussion.
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>>4817585
This is a Liz thread now
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>>4817585
I don't see what else we could say about her. There was some discussion before she was even here.

>>4817586
No
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>>4817588
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>>4817587
Nobody is discussing her NP.
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ENTER

MARMYDOSE GOD HAND REINCARNATION PANDORA NINE LIVES (with Hydra Poison) Olympus se Tartarus mode weighing 50T with absolutely no combat sensibility channelling Herc's combat prowess instinctively

Shipchads I kneel.
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>>4817590
It's strong, yes, but Argo-chan isn't a fighter. She's a love boat.
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>>4817591
I forgot King's Order too.

If you ask how, well.. Alcides doesn't have a concept yet.
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Can the Argo combo different Argonauts powersets at once?
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>>4817597
just the one, fair and balanced. cute and funny

Better question, does it count neo-argonauts from the throne? Even though everyone kneels to herkek
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>>4817577
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>>4817585
Everything went better than expected. I'm looking forward to their interaction in the future.

Also I imagine it might get a bit awkward for the other Argonauts to walk around inside her when she goes full size again.
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>>4817599
My wife will make Karna unautistic
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>>4817577
>>4817163
Support.

>>4817591
Argo-chan is strong!
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>>4817163

also let's go with this >>4817577

(switching from >>4817374)
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>>4817604
How would she fare against the wibbly wobbly punches?
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>>4817601
Maybe no posts is like silence at a meal, everyone is content existing.

Now that one branch of character bloat has been capped, how are we going to unite these two curries?

Hanuman when? Superior Monke, fuck wuchink
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>>4817607
>Master, did you know? It seems like the little sister in that pair of twins is an expert boxer. I wanted to have a proper match with her, but the older brother keeps interfering, so we couldn't have a contest. What a troublesome fellow! Ah, no, I think siblings that get along well is a beautiful thing.

She's keen, canon dialogue from Santa Karna about Pollux. Remember Jason says she tops herc in unarmed combat, or at least boxing.. somehow?
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>>4817608
I wonder if Wukong's Ruyi has the world-stabilizing powerlevels like Rhongo does.
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>>4817612
It's a special snowflake long rod, most end up that way.
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>>4817612
If it does, it's going to become a gardening stake while Chadryssil grows
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>>4817615
Just because it seems on charsheet that its B Rank, but I also don't trust Wukong not do tricky shit.

Also, I think Ergo stuff from Adventures of El Melloi nearly or did confirm its a world-stabilizing pillar for some reason.
Even though its only an ocean stabilizing needle/pillar. Though thats already a better resume than Rhongo.
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>>4817617
Well... Gray's Protection of World's End is only B rank, while Artoria Lancer has it at EX. It's the blessings of the lance.

Maybe as a pseudo Ergo or in a scuffed servant container it only manifests at B? If you want backwards justification logic.

WhatIs wrote wukong here well before the el melon updates though so it might conflict.
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>>4817621
I did notice that Wukong's NP Rank is
"NP: B, ?, ?"
Which suggests at least two more? One probably is his shittons of immortalities, as thats very iconic, other could be the "final form" of the pillar or something.
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>>4817163
Switch >>4817555 to >>4817577

>>4817608
>Maybe no posts is like silence at a meal, everyone is content existing.
That is certainly true as well. Content people don't have much to say.
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I can't believe we're having 5 kids with BB.
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Second Assassin's PC is so good he disappeared from the plot itself

>>4817626
The seaweed five
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>>4817626
It's also like sharing an onahole with nyarly
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>>4817629
>try to act like actual Assassin
>waiting for opportunity
>Seaweed faggot has like 20 Servants now
>he won't stop recruiting
>TASUKETE KING HASSAN-SAMA
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>>4817634
Clae can find him post war with Presence Detection if he's not higher than A+ Concealment
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>>4817629
We'll have Enkidu and whoever else look for him tomorrow. He's the last unknown. I'm curious what he's been doing, and we still haven't found out who massacred those kids at the warehouse.
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>>4817635
I think he's probably EX desu.
Also isn't APEX somewhere too?
Shouldn't we do something about that?
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>>4817637
I think that the dead kids were used as a catalyst to summon Second Assassin.
Nothing else makes much sense.
Jack maybe?
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>>4817639
APEX is keeping Gray safe for now. I wonder if Morgan will want to fuck her AU brother? SHe also needs to fix Gray
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>>4817590
I'll draw her over the weekend maybe, if we keep up the pace of 4 to 5 episodes a day

She has no combat rigging like Canned Cole or Coomer Lane boats, right? It's just one smol boat saabanto
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>>4817641
Cain catalyst if they were all second sons
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>>4817643
just a cute and funny 146cm tall as per Jason's preferences 50t shipgirl
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>>4817639
Apex is with Gray. We'll call Waver again soon, have Medea teleport him and his party to the mansion, and then tell them to look for Gray and Flat.

>>4817641
>"Well, I did some research into them, and there was only a single thing that linked each of them together."
>"All of the victims were from families with two children. Two sons, to be specific. The murdered son was always the younger brother. So, we've either got a serial killer with a very specific target on the loose in the town..."
>"...or somebody needed to sacrifice younger brothers in a ritual."
That's what Monica told us after she investigated. If it was a catalyst, it's Cain running around.
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>>4817644
that nigga would have like bullshit EX MEODP right? First killer and all that
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>>4817647
Do we know how they died again?
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>>4817647
Tell me about Cain, why does he wear the mask?

>>4817649
That and the avenged sevenfold curse of damage redirect, he's also the first born human as well so his stats would be insane.
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>>4817644
I could've sworn something like that was mentioned, wasn't it?
>>4817643
Based.
She has facial marks I think.
What is combat rigging?
>>4817642
We can have Memelin fix Gray too.
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>>4817652
She doesn't need a penis
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>>4817650
>"Corpses. Human Corpses." Rin's face pales very slightly. "But not just human corpses, either. Each of the victims were children. Boys somewhere between the age of eight and eighteen years old, I counted twenty five of the bodies in the warehouse, each of them had been cut into four parts
>"Enough. Archer. I've heard enough." Rin stops her Servant from speaking any further. You can't blame her, you don't need to hear about the killings of a child murderer. "Can you tell me if there was anything magical about all this, or if Fuyuki has just found itself with a serial killer at the worst of times? Oh great, just what you need, another Ryuunosuke.
>"I found traces of magic use inside the warehouse actually, and of the bodies I examined, the cause of their death wasn't being bisected, but was instead repeated blunt force trauma to the back of the head. Each and every one of them died that same way. If I had to guess, it was for some sort of ritual."
Archer's report
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>>4817643

>>4815824

WhatIs used my autism from here, but he didn't like the necklace idea I guess.
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>>4817651
If we're doing First Human memes, KnK says that stuff like precognition that works like Laplace's Demon, Unified Language, all other kinds of stuff thats psychic today are atavisms to older humanity that got discarded by evolution and adaptation to social/Human Order based life.
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>>4817655
Maybe he just didn't describe every aspect of her design?
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>>4817654
>blunt force trauma
Yeah thats probably some Cain thing. A rock to the back of the head as the first murder, isn't it?
Then dismemberment...some kind of thing like "You like his sacrifice better? What if I sacrifice HIM?" kind of thing or just unrelated?
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>>4817656
Is the a7x curse technically Holy damage? Seeing as it was a divine protection bestowed by god technically..?

He should also have the Unified Language too, but technically Cain never died so he should just be hanging around somewhere? Maybe the summon failed for that reason
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>>4817658
My original thought had been Gilles's tentacles, but yeah, recreating the first murder fits better. I do wonder what he's been up to, that was day 1 of the war while we were on our way to meet Bazett.
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>>4817659
I think Requiem offhandedly mentions that some of these immortal dudes are just around in modern times, like the Wandering Jew, so Cain is probably as well.

Its either Holy or depends on the attack used I guess.
Technically Arturia should've been alive as well and the summoning didn't fail, or do you think the circumstances are different enough? Maybe the Summoning got reflected and the summoner got Demi-Servant'd or something weird.
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Based Cain when?
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>>4817663
Artoria cut a deal to be summoned while alive though. I doubt Cain did the same.
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Funnily enough Cain would likely wear a mask to cover the mark on his forehead.

CAINPOSTING soon

The flood must have been a horrible time for Cain, month and a half long beach episode must have gotten pretty boring
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I wonder if Cain can dab on Gilgamesh.
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>>4817669
Can needs to be talk-no-justsu'd honestly
Also with Truth, we can give him death if he wants that.

We can also give him a sip of sippy cup.

Have you heard the word of our lord and Savior Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
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>>4817671
Depends on what he and his Master want though. We have no idea if our goals are compatible.
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>>4817672
Cain with a wish?
Probably unkilling Abel.
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>>4817674
Question is, does he want redemption or revenge? We can give him the first, but not the second.
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He's also the first citybuilder, so he has OG nationbuilding Authority.

Territory Creation: EX if I ever saw it.

HE also can't till the land, and he cursed the planet when it drank Abel's blood.

By Nasuverse logic.. Did he accidentally invite Crimson Moon?
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>>4817675
Revenge on who?
GOD?
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>>4817678
He was punished for lying about the act moreso than the deed by a lot of accounts
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We should give SHIKI the concept of Dominance.
Turn him into Soma from Castlevania.
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>>4817678
Yes, if he wants revenge it will be against God, and that's something we cannot give him.
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>>4817680
you smell like WhatIs

>>4817681
We can mediate a conversation between them.
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>>4817682
If this was something they could talk over, I think they'd have done some sometime in the past few millennia.
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>>4817682
WhatIs is a massive Castlevania fag and he already talked about the concept of Dominance didn't he?
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>>4817685
YHWH fundamentally doesn't understand people.

Free will is a hell of a drug.

>>4817686
Ye, he drew similar connections when I originally suggested exactly what you just did before, with reference to Buzzcola controlling grail cum within himself as a normal human magus as per the strength of Domination/Dominance as a concept
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>>4817686
You guys should've been in the Castlevania quest when the animated series had Alucard get raped.
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>>4817682
We're doing a driveby on Ainsworths too, or is there nothing to steal. Though unopened Pandora's Box with a World in it?
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>>4817690
the box is going to become a seedling planter box for the tree
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>>4817690
And people say this series isn't retconned to fuck.
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>>4817688
he seethes a lot about a few rent free topics in dms

Passionate autism always comes with seethe.

Hate and love are intertwined, only apathychads avoid seethe
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>>4817692
Use the World in it as the soil then, and put Chaos Tide back on fertilizer duty instead?
Supposedly "possibility" gestated into the World inside, so maybe it'll be good for the tree to grow out of it, and to combine trees in there.
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>>4817696
would Polymerisation be a good concept for the box for that purpose then?
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>>4817692
I love how all these random planeswalking adventures now have a clear purpose.

>>4817694
Has anyone really said that though? Ever?

>>4817697
Do we really want the box to make plastic?
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>>4817698
YUGO SHOKAN

Your ESL is playing up, it's not just plastic, it's a fundamental concept of combination
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>>4817694
Most retcons are unobservable by virtue of relying on stuff not being explained or explicitly stated, thus its impossible to prove whether it was changed. The only two I remember that are clearly changed are this and the Ether/True Ether/Grain thing.

>>4817697
The concept of CULTIVATION
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>>4817698
I will always retroactively find a justification for my stupidity. It's my specialty.
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We just have to make sure we're actually merging the attributes of the trees and not just doing a super Gu jar/box with trees.
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Let's imbue a box with the concept of fusion.
Throw two things inside and fuse anything into one thing.
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>>4817695
Apathy is death

>>4817699
It's a greek word used in chemistry with a very specific meaning and I have never heard either polymers or polymerization used for anything else. I'll concede if you show me some examples.

>>4817705
Now fusion is a generic word for the fundamental concept of combination.
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>>4817697
Calvinandhobbeschads its time
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>>4817704
physiologically, grafting sections of a plant together doesn't really merge them, you just have a branch of plant x of the trunk or rootstock of plant y. They're linked but separate genetic and living entities but everything becomes co-dependent. The leaves still pass longer chain molecules like sucrose (a disaccharide sugar) and amino acids (base materials for proteins) back down to the roots.
You could treat the rootstock as dominant, and if it's not kept maintained it can grow offshoots and swallow the rest of the plant. So we should grow a Yggdrasil base before grafting in fantasy trees.

>>4817705
pretty much one of the first item cons things I put forward when suggesting the skill

>>4817706
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerization
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>>4817706
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>>4817710
Yeah but we're not doing normal horticulture or using normal trees that correspond to physics where that would mean anything. It's basically Alchemy but with trees.

Maybe Para would teach us also some alchemy, if it helps with this?
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>>4817711
YUGO
SHOKAN

>>4817712
We could always just ask God if he based fantasy trees on a similar concept to earth trees
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Wait are we going to go around with our Giga Nigdraysill and collect lostbelts?
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>>4817714
I mean, we are already collecting Fantasy Trees. Maybe we could also use up the Lostbelts themselves as fuel/grafts/whatever?
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>>4817709
Actually i just thought of something for cuteposting later

WhatIs, /r/ing a physical description of Beaky and whoever the sauce is for Betty's faceclaim please
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>>4817714
Maybe just have Sakura vore them into INS for a time and get them used to subsisting off of Chaos Tide, might be good to have Tiamat Amino-geass them too.

>>4817715
Settle down Goetia
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>>4817715
Or do you intend to make a 9 realms setup with them, so we can go on furry hunting safaris when we're bored?
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>>4817710
I skimmed the article, but every single example I could see of a polymerization product was some sort of plastic.

>>4817714
We'll not be bringing New Yggrassil with us, but otherwise yeah. We'll raid for materials.
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>>4817717
What are the Lostbelts gonna do without their Trees? Disappear. Don't waste Worlds, they don't... grow on Trees.
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>>4817719
Do you mean 9 whole Worlds, with our Unbranching super timeline as the center with eight lesser Worlds around it as...ablative armor/fortresses against other Alaya's mucking about? Ranging outposts for cool shit.

Don't let the adventurer and conqueror types just languish. Outer Space/outside the Human Order is super fucking dangerous, but we can afford to let them loose on other Trees/worldlines.
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Are any Lostbelts even worth saving?
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>>4817720
It's typically zipping carbon chains together, they also form gasses and liquid petroleum products. plastics are just another petroleum product. I quickly skimmed and found gases like ethylene pretty quick

Specifically, carbon based molecules are organic, which means they're fundamentally "life" so that's why I'm saying polymerisation over say, combination

>>4817722
Their habitats also give places for phantasmals to repopulate.

>>4817725
feed arjuna blanco to Ilya and india is fine, other than the shit on the street

Greece is.. fine? If we killed all the gods Kirsh can keep his waterworld
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>>4817726
After killing Surtr we can go on a giant purging spree.
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>>4817726
Kirsch is gonna be down for the Age of Truth anyway.
Extra Worlds sound useful. Oni World etc.
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>>4817726
>they also form gasses and liquid petroleum products
Still nothing useful in growing a tree though.

>Their habitats also give places for phantasmals to repopulate.
Don't we want them roaming our world?
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>>4817726
Speaking of Kirsch. If we fix his circuits he becomes retard powerful in that World or if we graft Atlas to him so he always counts as "under the Greek sky" or something.
New minion.

>>4817731
Mostly yes but not always. I don't want to imagine regulating an Oni or werewolf population boom and its effects on society without smiting a kot of the population.
If they have other Worlds too, then this can be our main World and the others can be connected as well, mitigating some issues of this type.
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>>4817577
>>4817183
>>4817163
Changing to this
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Gigachad from gigachad dimension showing up in lostbelts will be fun.
Can't wait to kill Beryl.
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>>4817726
>Specifically, carbon based molecules are organic, which means they're fundamentally "life" so that's why I'm saying polymerisation over say, combination
As for that, carbon based molecules CAN be life, but they are not exclusively life. Unless you want to argue that CO2 is life, for example?

>>4817734
Kirsch has been mentioned before, I think he's on our list of people to fix post-war already.

How will the parallel worlds work though? Lostbelts were in the process of overwriting the main branch, if my understanding is correct. Won't that cause problems? Will our Alaya have to split herself in nine parts? I see more problems with this than with just letting a few normies get eaten by werewolves. The heroes from the past who will be leading them won't allow it to get out of hand, and we don't want a stagnant world.
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>>4817739
I imagine the Lostbelt Trees, containing a cosmos each as corresponds to the Extella sanzensekai scale described, probably act as a Human Order that provides upkeep to the timelines if they were to flower in full, as such a galaxy is equal to the number of solar systems a healthy Dimension contains, roughly.

If we can graft them as subordinates to our Alaya through the Tree and not directly, I imagine no extra power is needed, and they may even have divergent Orders or Laws as needed.
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>>4817731
Cellulose is a major molecular compound of plant structure. It breaks down into the smaller chain molecules that make up petroleum products. Petroleum products are mostly made of trees and other organic material from a few million years ago smushed together under rock at high heat. WHen petroleum products are split apart, typically through burning they then release CO2 which is then taken back in my plants to make their structural molecules from glucose upwards again. Carbon cycle fren

>The carbon cycle describes the process in which carbon atoms continually travel from the atmosphere to the Earth and then back into the atmosphere. Since our planet and its atmosphere form a closed environment, the amount of carbon in this system does not change

Does biodiesel ring any bells? Organic chem is like pulling teeth anyway.

>>4817734
Kirsh can be the overseer of waterworld

>>4817739
CO2 is a fundamental building block of life though? It changes hands constantly between photosynthesis and cellular respiration, the two main biochemical processes integral to what we class as life on earth

I'm doing this shit for free even in my "spare" time AHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>4817739
Our Alaya is powerful enough to oversee millions of worlds.
>>4817737
Imagining just showing up to Lostbelt 1 with Full Power Beast II Sakura and Amaterasu.
ENTER CHADJI.
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>>4817742
Basically. Take Lostbelt trees, fusion them to our Tree. The other Worlds/belts can be "hanged off" our Tree instead of connecting directly to Alaya, but indirectly through the management of oour Tree.
The Phenomenon Selection Tree, if we can actualize it and graft it from the Moon Cell, makes it ideal anyway.
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>>4817744
Alitheia, pet the cute elephant and smack it if it resists
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On a scale of 1-10 how much does vitch shit herself if Amaterasu herself shows up?
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>>4817746
Technically that "Tree" is the representation of the selection process, but its rendered as an actual tree and directly compared to the bodhi tree under which Buddha was enlightened.
I also theorize that fuseng Trees are based on it, but thats not canon confirmed.
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>>4817749
12. She was about the deleted by Arjuna Blanco and still didnt grow more tails because that would get her closer to the OG ninetails Ama.
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>>4817742
I thought we were yanking the trees so we can grow our own.

>>4817743
Nigger, I know what oil is and where it comes from. I also know that CO2 is not an organic molecule, even if it plants use it. Plants also use water, and that's definitely not an organic molecule either. Carbon and Hydrogen make the hydrocarbons that plants are made of, but separately they are NOT part of life.

Organic chemistry wasn't my focus, but I did study it a little once.

>>4817744
Our Alaya is powerful enough to stalemate the other Alayas because she oversees only one world though. If she starts overseeing more and her power diminishes, that stalemate is broken and she gets vored.
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>>4817743
Cellulose is the building block for plants but polymerisation feels kinda specialised for this.

How about Synthesis?
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Wonder how well Argo-chan would do in Atlantis.
By convincing people to become Argonauts she can copy their powers too right?
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>>4817755
If those trees are integrated into our own, would their capacity also be added to it? In that case then the same amount of power is there to go around.
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>>4817756
probably better because it would also incorporate the more fantastical components of objects being fused together, including Concepts potentially

Amalgamation too. I feel like Union would be better for a person not an object though.
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>>4817756
I mean, synthesis is process of making more complex compounds out of resources. Including photosynthesis.

Or you could give it concept of catalyst, something that facilitates a process while being unchanged by it.
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>>4817763
Catalyst would be a really good specific tool so we can whip it out whenever we need it. It's by definition reusable so we should have it as a tool rather than using it for pandora's box of all things
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>>4817756
Synthesis would work better yes.

>>4817759
My understanding, having not played FGO, was that the trees were not self-sustaining and would eventually have to eat each other until one emerged before overwriting the world.
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>>4817765
They eat each other only because there is only one physical planet they're on, and they would expand into each other. Energy wise once fhey blossom, they are self-sustaining.
Its a question of space or territory.
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Also, fantasy trees by default simp to the highest authority present in their realm.

If we go there powered enough they'll simp to us by default
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>>4817764
Should we double down on how the Prillya Box works by putting "Possibility" in it? It could make things inside more likely or possible, allowing us to do ...stuff with it, including this.
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>>4817767
Pretty much every b king is dwarfed by Alethia in simple power level readings from her raw mana output, we'd just need to bring her along and she'd be designated the new LB king
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>>4817768
combine that with a truth tool of "Choice" or "Selection", or even as double words have worked like with JK, maybe even "Desired Outcome"

rng go away
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>>4817766
I see. Our Alaya won't get weaker then, and she might even get stronger. How do we solve the space issue though? We also only have one planet. Still, weren't we going to yoink the trees? How will grow our own without raw materials?

And what Lostbelts do we actually want other than Atlantis and India, and why? Is it just the two of them? There may not be that large of a cost, but I don't see any big benefit either.
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>>4817775
second magic, we'll just have to fight off any problems it invites.

If you wanna go full retard, if this tree anchors our reality well enough, and we go Truth the Sun we could uhhhhh dispose of Azathoth and use him as fuel, Truth overrides his Authority on a small scale, Maybe through the use of Permanence? Betty can take his place

Nyarly's gonna freak
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>>4817776
Do we even need the sun if we have some caged sun authorities around and also Ammy is back in her old job as the sun?
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>>4817775
There will only be one Lostbelt tree, technically the one we make.
Use the Phenomena Selection Tree as a terminal for interfacing with and using the Tree's "settings"? Its a Moon Cell based Spiritron thing anyway. We could use its part in our tree as a terminal for things. Set bounds, setttings, etc. Seraph and the Regalia, but for the real "Worlds"
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>>4817777
Ammy=The Sun. There is no practical difference desu.
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Can we subvert the Moon to use it as surveillance against extraplanar bullshit coming our way? Maybe Suzuka could install some spyware daemons in it.

Or we could take a page off grandpa's book and have Para make a less invasive supercomputer for us for this purpose.
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>>4817779
if azathoth woke up and she was on our Truth'd Permanence ark tree=planet would she go poof when the sun went poof?

>>4817780
Employ gigachink, his wall is made for it
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>>4817782
She is a Divine Spirit that is more connected to the Universe than usual iirc, but as a Divine Spirit shhe is still part of Earth? Its a mystery.
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>>4817783
It may also mean that Amaterasu would truth anchor the sun.
The celestial phenomena are unobservable from bleach'd earth, but Tamamo still exists. Does that count?
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>>4817776
I don't want Betty to take Azathoth's place. It's not a very nice or happy place. Let the sleeper sleep.

I still don't see any reason to do this, or any answer to how we're doing this when we were supposed to yoink the trees.

>>4817777
We don't need to Truth the Sun with these Authorities around, now. And why would we want Amaterasu back at her old job?

>>4817778
So we'll not be actually stealing the Lostbelts, but making satellite worlds of our own? That would be more palatable, at least.

>>4817780
That would probably work, yes. I'd favor repurposing the mooncell over having Para follow grandpa's plan for a second time, he'll be busier and happier as Dumbledore.

>>4817783
Nigger, if Azathoth wakes up the whole reality goes poof.
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>>4817789
>>4817783
Imbue Azathoth with concept of Daydreaming.
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World is an ugly place. Concept of Tikkun olam will help with that.
Person like Gilles would be a perfect candidate.
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>>4817789
The fantasy trees. If it helps, think of them as needles percing both the Lostbelt and the Proper History and pinning the two together, instead of generating something.
The Lostbelts dont exist anywhere, and are simulated history. But they are also simulated and made real backwards.

If Grand China's world had a Tree in the bahamas instead of china, it would still be the same Lostbelt, just a different part of it would be touching History first, until its overlaid.

Se.Ra.Ph and Logos React and replicas seem to also create Worlds like this, if on a lesser scale for Logos. Atlas Alchemists use these to simulate what to do.
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>>4817793
Remember that "not real, fictitous" things also "exist". Canon Outer Gods are like this.
Its possible that Culled/Items Designated for Removal also "exist" but are "fictional".
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>>4817795
Fictional in this case is anything outside the Human Order.
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>>4817799
Another way to think of it, is that the Human Order is the Anthropic Principle as a field effect. Everything that is outside is unable to be verified. If its unable to be verified its realness is in question, and is an unnecesary question to everyone inside.
If something like that, unobservable, comes in contact with the observation, then the difference between it being created on the spot or not, is none from an internal, human, viewpoint.
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What won?
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>>4817809
>Introduce your kids to everyone, including their true identities as more than just children.
>Invite everyone to the Feast at your house.
Then:
>Pollux, a friend of mine has problems opening up outside of battle, would you be interested in a boxing match with him to help him come out of his shell? He might prove even you a challenge
>Caenis, after you've recovered from your hangover tomorrow we should have words. I might be able to do something about that Divine stench you so wish to wash yourself of. I could also offer you something in it's place to not compromise your power as a warrior, I hope my demonstration here with Argo-tan proved sufficient to gauge your interest?
>And you, Castor. Any more comments like that and I might reconsider offering you your Divinity back. Know your place, fellow ningen.
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>>4817809
You
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>>4817655
I think the necklace idea could be neat.
Depending on how it's drawn.
Maybe make it a silver wheel.
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>In ancient Greece, the appearance of a single one was called Helene (Ancient Greek: Ἑλένη), literally meaning "torch",[8] and two were called Castor and Polydeuces, names of the mythological twin brothers of Helen.

>Homeric Hymn 33 describes a generic epiphany of these fraternal heroes, collectively called the Dioskouroi, in the midst of a storm at sea. Here they are said to rush through the air "with tawny wings" and to bring relief to terrified mariners.

mfw the "Castor and Pollux are St.Elmo's fire Divine Spirits that Greekchads assimilated" has at least some basis.
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>>4817847
mfw anon has no face
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>>4817848
I learned it from Alan, how was it?
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Jason is critically wounded in Atlantis, right?
He has Medea hide it with an illusion.
Why not just have her use Pain Breaker though?
Did the writers forget?
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>>4817848
making Gaia and Alaya bff when?

Then we can move on to forming a planet club with Amamo gestalt as council moderator.
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tsueq daed
namydnew pir
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>>4817902
QM is sleep please understand
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Thunderstorm-sama, YAMEROOOOOOOOOO
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>>4817922
>this guy gets Storm-chama's affection
Bastard, go and die.
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>>4817922
Zeus is angry again.
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It's a 2500 word update, so that's why it's a little late.
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>>4817944
I see.
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"Alright, everyone, before anything else, I want to introduce you all to my children, as well as Olga Marie and Rin." You call out, walking over to the children who have seemingly decided to give Atalanta a break for now. First, you decide to introduce your first daughter, the dragon horned girl looking at the newly transformed ship curiously. You pat her on the head as you introduce her. "This here is Alítheia, my... daughter with the other Medea who was summoned."

"Wait a second... What... What did you just say?" Even Jason is given pause by that, and Argo follows suit. Despite having the most affection for her captain, it's not like Argo doesn't deeply care for everyone who once sailed on her. At least that's the impression that you're getting from the ship.

"Yes, though... It's complicated. Biologically, she's my daughter, and my blood flows through her veins, but it was Medea's magic who gave her life... She's also one of the most powerful dragons to ever exist and a Queen of Dragons." Alítheia fidgets a little when you introduce her through her full identity as the Dragon Queen of Truth. Rin and Olga are staring at the little girl with their mouths agape because the little girl they were having fun with not so long ago was actually a dragon. The rest of the Argonauts are apparently reeling from the fact that this girl is technically Medea's daughter. Before anybody can raise any questions though, you move on. "Moving on, this here is Elizabeth, and Abigail. Elizabeth has a tremendously powerful sleeping God linked to her, while Abigail has the potential to master doorways and gates through time and space." You head pat the two girls from Salem before you pick up the fox pup scampering around on the floor. "This is Tetsuka, she's young, but she's the last of her kind. The only surviving daughter of a mother Kitsune that managed to survive up to the modern era. "

"That's... All of these girls are your daughters?" Atalanta speaks, she obviously already knows that they are, but each and every one of the girls has exceptional circumstances of their own, so it's not really that surprising that Atalanta would be shocked that you'd be surrounded by so many girls with such odd stories to them.

"Hey, I'm not finished yet." You say with a scolding tone as you pick up the snake that is currently slithering around on the floor up, it quickly drapes itself around your neck when you do. Looks like it at least likes you. "This... This is Ourobora. The reincarnated form of Orochi." You introduce the white scaled red eyed snake to the Argonauts. You hope that Tetsuka and Ourobora won't take too long to be able to take human form... Or at the very least speak back to you.
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"N-no way?!" Jason almost leaps backwards in surprise at the revelation as to what the snake around your neck is. "T-that damn snake bastard tried to eat me!" This earns him a glare from Atalanta, apparently not happy at Jason's usage of language around children. The look he receives cows him a bit, but the comforting caress of the Argo seems to grant him strength.

"It's not the same person anymore. It's the same being, with the same memories likely buried somewhere deep down in her consciousness, but I have no intention to allow Ourobora here to grow up to be anything like the being she sprouted off from." You pat the snake on the head lightly, and it nuzzles against your hand. She seems to have a bond with you, at least. Like the bond between a daughter and a father, so you're hoping that of the traits she inherited from Orochi, his evil isn't one of them. That remains to be seen, you suppose, but even if she did grow to be something of a menace, you have no doubt that Alítheia would keep her younger sister in check anyway. "Now, these two girls aren't my daughters, but I also want you to introduce you to Rin Tohsaka, a girl who was taken here from a world ten years in the past and saved from certain death in doing so, as well as Olga Marie Animusphere, the daughter of a callous Clocktower Lord who I have reason to believe is scheming something nefarious." Olga frowns as you mention your distrust in her father. Both Rin and Olga would really do well not to idolize those two fathers at all. Both are absolutely terrible, and Tokiomi is only a marginally better father than Marisbury.

"It's nice to know about you all." Atalanta approaches the children again. "My name is Atalanta, I'm an Archer from Ancient Greece. Let's-" Atalanta doesn't get to finish introducing herself to the children before she is once again dog-piled by the children who want to touch her fluffy ears and her tail, and Atalanta just allows herself to be tackled to the floor by the girls.

You smirk as you look at Atalanta's joyous expression as she plays with the children... Or rather, is played with by the children, before you focus again. "I'd like to invite everyone here to a feast I'm planning at my home. It should take place in a few hours, so if you wish to show up, it would be at that time. The address is..." You inform the Argonauts on just what they need to do to find your home, though you also tell them that they could always just ask Jason to mentally communicate with Illya if they got lost anyway. None of the Argonauts refuse your invite to your feast, either... Well, except...
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"So, was that all then, mortal?" Castor doesn't look like he likes you much still, but Pollux is quite the opposite, having a happy smile as she looks at you. "Don't think that I'll be coming to your little feast, either, I have far more-" Castor looks just about ready to go on some sort of tirade about how much he dislikes humans, but Pollux instead grabs his arm to stop him from talking before she speaks herself

"No, we will be coming to your feast!" Pollux takes the wind out of her brother's sails with the greatest of ease. "I'm sure it will great fun for everyone involved!"

"Of course, sister." Castor meekly submits to the wishes of his sister. Despite his hatred for humanity, and for you as well, it seems, his love for his sister wins out. You can respect that.

"Thank you, Pollux. I actually wanted to ask you something, it's about another friend of mine, he has problems with coming out of his shell when combat isn't involved." Karna is a good person, and you want him to be a little bit more comfortable around everyone else. Not to mention happy. Karna deserves to be happy after all the suffering that he went through in his life without ever once complaining or showing resentment. He really should be able to get along with both Shirou and EMIYA quite well thanks to his nature though.

"Hmm? What did you have in mind, Shinji?" Pollux doesn't bother with the honorifics, nor would you really expect a Servant from Ancient Greece to care all that much about Japanese name conventions at all.

"Well, he should be an excellent hand-to-hand combatant, so I'm wondering if you might be interested in a sparring partner for a boxing match." The mood seems to change as you mention that, and something about Pollux's face darkens a little, a hidden menace.

"I hope for your friend's sake that he's as good as you're making him appear to be." Pollux has a hidden smile, apparently excited at the idea of being granted a worthy adversary to have a boxing match with. She might be confident now, but she's yet to meet Karna yet. He may have been temporarily overwhelmed in hand to hand by Shuten when they fought, but this was probably because he was caught off guard by the immense power of the oni.

"You must really hate whoever you're putting in the ring with my sister, mortal." Castor says with yet more disdain in his voice for you. His attitude is starting to grate on your nerves now. You kind of want to punch him, but you'll be nice for now. No need antagonizing this idiot.
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"I'm confident in his strength." Is all you say, even if Karna were to be completely overwhelmed by Pollux, Kavacha and Kundala would mean that he'd be able to easily take ten times more punches than his constitution would allow otherwise allow unless he took the armor off for the sake of the battle, which wouldn't really make much sense, considering it's not really armor, and is more integrated with his skin. "Now, Caenis, after you've recovered from your hangover tomorrow..."

"Hangover? You must be stupid. I doubt I'll even be tipsy by the time that your champion is sleeping under the table or dead from alcohol poisoning." You resist the urge to laugh in her face. No, there's no Servant who can beat Shuten in a pure drinking contest, you're pretty sure. Not unless they had some sort of ability to automatically purify whatever liquid they drunk... OK So Chiyome could probably take Shuten on if she felt like cheating, but she'd probably be called out for cheating anyway.

"Well, whether you'll have a hangover or not isn't entirely relevant to me. Tomorrow I want to talk to you about something you might be interested in. The divine stench that clings to your body. The divinity of Poseidon... I can remove that, or rather, I can facilitate it being removed from you." Caenis' eyes are wide open as she looks at you, trying to judge whether or not you're bluffing. "I can also offer you something to replace the strength you would lose, so that your power as a warrior isn't compromised. My demonstration here with Argo-tan ought to have demonstrated my abilities in that regard." You extend an offer to Caenis that should get you her loyalty for the rest of her life should you actually prove yourself capable of such a thing. Caenis both hates Poseidon and is forced to rely on his power to be an effective warrior, so if she were to be able to both discard the strength of that god in addition to being granted strength equal or potentially even greater to the power she lost, then it would only be natural that she would be willing to follow the one who made such a thing possible, you think.
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"If you speak truly, I will gladly accept your offer. Though if this is a lie, I'll tear your heart out and dump your corpse into the ocean." Caenis speaks her mind, wanting you to understand that she won't allow any sort of deception here. You made her an offer that managed to reach her heart, and she clearly wants you to know that you'll regret it if she finds you to be a liar. Well, that's fair. You did do that demonstration with Argo, but it's not like your single incredible feat will truly translate over to being able to remove the power of a god from the girl in addition to granting her strength in the form of a concept instead. You suppose you'll get to see whether your conceptual applications truly are superior to Authority. You think that they are, at least, especially because Sakura has shown herself capable of increasing her mastery of Nullification, so the same may ring true for those other wielders of concepts, being able to unlock different aspects of the concept granted to them...

"Well, that's fine. I'm not a liar, but I would prefer if you didn't threaten to tear my heart out in front of my children, it might cause one of them to start staring at you funny..." Well, hopefully Betty can gather that Caenis likely didn't truly mean her threat anyway. She did already see you turn a boat into an impossibly powerful girl already after all. In fact, with her own abilities and her power to call upon the strength of any of the Argonauts, it probably wouldn't be a mistake to say that the Argo is now more powerful than any of the legendary heroes who once sailed upon her. That's hilarious. "Finally, that brings me to you, Castor. If you don't stop making snide comments, I might have to reconsider offering you your Divinity back, so I suggest that you know your place, my fellow mortal." You smirk at the god turned human, and he makes an angry expression as he freezes up.

"Brother." You can see Pollux grabbing Castor's arm quite tightly. "I think you'd better heed his words, I think he's been genuine in his offer..." Castor's anger drains away, and he looks at you with a strange expression, as if reconsidering his opinion on you. He's probably thinking that you're something beyond a mortal right now, and potential something beyond even a god, too. After all, your casual offer to restore his divinity was very much genuine. You don't really know if you'll ever get much use out of that concept anyway. It feels like the sort of thing that could potentially be immensely powerful, but also blow up in your face nearly one hundred percent of the time, so just... not really worth bothering with. At least with Castor you know that he'd actually be grateful for the concept and wouldn't immediately go out of control.
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"Now, I've said my piece, I do believe..."

>"...It's about time I headed home. Girls, Chiyome, Alcides, Nobunaga! We're going! Medea? A teleport, please."
>"...That I should be getting home. Would anybody like to come with me to meet Jason and Alcides' Master? She's a goddess herself now."
>"...That I need to say something to Medea Lily here... How are you holding up, Medea? I'm sorry it was so sudden, but..."
>"...The girls might enjoy going somewhere else in town now, before we head back home. (Where?)
>Write-in...
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>>4817961
>"...It's about time we headed home"
>"Atalante, would you like to come with us? I can see the girls haven't had enough of you yet."
>"Medea Lily, how are you holding up? I'm sorry it was so sudden. Would you like to come and see your... older self?"
>"Girls, Chiyome, Alcides, Nobunaga! We're going! Medea? A teleport, please."
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>>4817961
>>4817980
+1.
Caenis better watch out. If she keeps threatening us like that in earshot of Sakura things might end poorly for her.
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>>4817961
Well either we go back to check in with Medea and get busy with the feast, or we take kids to the park as were unlikely to get a better chance once preparations get underway. In either case we need to warn Argonauts that streets are not safe do they should not go out alone or hesitate to call for backup.

Much as I’d like to get back to Medea I think I’ll go with
>warn the Argonauts
>take kids, Nobu and Chiyome and anyone who wants to tag along to park

Not sure if now is good time to talk to little Medea but maybe yes, and maybe offer her to come to park with us.
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>>4817961
>>4817980
+1
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>>4817956
>Despite his hatred for humanity, and for you as well, it seems, his love for his sister wins out. You can respect that.
Castor is our perfect foil when you really think about it
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>>4817984
There's a reason we canceled the park and the shopping trip. Tesla's still out there, and he's after us. I don't want him finding us while we're with our daughters. The Argonauts shouldn't be his target, and Jason can call Illya for help while they stall if he happens to attack them.

We can play with the kids and Atalante in the garden if we want, or we can leave them with their auntie cat for a bit. We still have a movie scheduled with them anyway, it'll be fun.

>>4817986
Not sure foil is the right word, but kinda, yes. Though the love for his sister is not romantic, I think.
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>>4817961
Though anon is right, so I'm adding to >>4817980
>Before leaving warn Jason and the remaining Argonauts that the streets are not safe. They should be careful, and do not hesitate to call for help if they are attacked.
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>>4817990
>Not sure foil is the right word, but kinda, yes. Though the love for his sister is not romantic, I think.
That's what makes him our foil
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>>4817992
Huh, I hadn't thought of it this way. So similar and yet so different.
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>>4817961
>>4817980
>>4817991
Support
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>>4817991
>>4817980
>>4817961
Support
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>>4817961
>>4817980
>>4817991
+1
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Calling in 5.
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And what won?
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>>4818044
Qm plis what does beaky look like now
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>>4818045
Like ur mum
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>>4818044
This won>>4817980
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>>4817991
>>4818053
>>4818044
this was also added
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>>4818045
Beaky looks like a many tentacled ball with a large beak attacked to it and it's covered with chitinous black plates.
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>>4818048
Dont get snippy with me ill draw Sakura voring youre're waifu

>>4818058
Thenk u
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>>4818063
what if Sakura is his waifu
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If you still needed the image ref for Betty, here's what I originally used.
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"...It's about time we headed home." You've done what you came to do, you've introduced yourself to the Argonauts, and you even did something that you originally weren't planning on doing. Namely, using your powers to turn inanimate objects into living beings. While the Argo is a special case, doesn't this mean you could use similar concepts on other non-humanoid things in order to grant them such forms? It's a question that you'll need to ask later, you suppose. The fact remains that you managed to turn a boat into a girl though, and you're pretty pleased that you were capable of doing something ridiculous enough that it made Castor start yelling about how inferior humans are, though honestly, you've pretty much become certain that as a form of life, you are a few steps above earthly Divine Spirits. The very fact that Nyarlathotep was more than willing to offer you a chance of apotheosis into an Outer God, a form of existence that is seemingly capable of destroying every form of reality, if you go by the threat currently represented by Manaka as your example, at least. Not exactly something you feel a Divine Spirit of the Earth would be capable of replicating. Despite the incredible feats of power they might be capable of, they are still inferior to the World which spawned them.

You turn to the woman still being played with by your children. It's amazing that Tamamo has managed to avoid this fate, honestly. You suppose it might have something to do with the different... You don't know what to really call it. The different auras each woman seems to exude, perhaps? Perhaps the girls can just naturally come to the conclusion that Atalanta means them no harm. Or perhaps they all just prefer cats to foxjackals...? "Atalanta, would you like to come with us? I can see the girls haven't had enough of you yet." You extend an offer to the cat woman to go with you instead of remain on the... Well, there's not exactly an Argo right now, and you find it fairly unlikely that the Argo will be turning back into a boat any time soon, meaning that the Argonauts that will remain with Jason will... well they'll kind of have no choice but to find somewhere else to hang out.

"That sounds nice." Atalanta keeps her response short, she really has no choice, as she's obviously being prevented from focusing by the children currently swarming her. Still, it was a positive response, so you'll just have to have Medea teleport her back to your home as well, no problem. Speaking of Medea...
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"Medea... Lily." You decide to just call her by the generally accepted name for younger variants of female Servants, and she looks up at you, her eyes are still damp from tears. "How are you holding up? I'm sorry that it was so sudden... Would you like to come and see your older self? She's certain to help you." While Medea wouldn't normally get along with her child self due to the curse that Medea Lily has the ability to remove, but not the resolve to actually remove. It could be called something like a plaster over a festering wound. While Medea Lily had the ability to remove it at any time with her abilities, she didn't want to remove it. Perhaps because she feared what she might have to experience if she did truly do so. After all, for Medea, after ridding herself of that Curse of Love that destroyed so much, actually being free from it and free to truly feel the hatred for Jason and his actions that she would naturally feel... It was just as destructive for her, if not more so. Still, nothing changes the fact that now that curse is gone, and Medea is forced to wake up, to see things as they truly are.

"I'd... I'd like to speak with myself... Yes." The girl's voice is quiet. Soft. She's clearly still trying to come to terms with things now. Her love of Jason is either completely gone or reduced to a level barely above being acquaintances. You'd like to say that you feel bad about what you did because of Medea Lily's anguished reaction to the loss of her love, but... You aren't going to regret it one bit. Between the ideas of a little girl who was deceived by the gods, and the older version of herself after realizing the lie she was caught in, there's no doubt that the older Medea is the more adjusted person. Not that you'd call either of them that adjusted. But Medea Lily's mind and morality was twisted to a terrible degree by the curse, and Medea is free of that curse. Well, now Medea Lily is free of it too.

"It's settled then." You say calmly. "But... Jason, before I go, you should be warned that these streets... They aren't safe. Powerful Servants prowl the area, and they won't hesitate to attack you during the day. Among these enemies, you can count a goddess with the power of three Divine Spirits, a tremendously powerful spearman who could slay even the mightiest of the Argonauts in physical combat in a short amount of time, and finally, a woman with unparalleled control over electricity. Somebody you could call something like Zeus' power wielded by a human." All three of the remaining Servants that prowl Fuyuki are terrifyingly powerful, and if the deck weren't so ridiculously stacked in your favor, you'd actually be worried about the amount of individual power each of Servants modified by Manaka have.

"I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the warning." Jason seems to have a much better opinion of you. Turns out that turning a man's boat into a girl who loves him does wonders for a relationship.
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"Don't worry! I'll protect you, Jason! If it ever gets too hard, just come inside of me!" The girl says entirely innocently, and everyone just stares dumbly at the boat, who hasn't realized just what she said and how it could be construed.

"Well then, with that, I believe it's about time for us to be off. Everyone coming with me, grab onto me or somebody holding me." You give an order which is swiftly followed by the people coming back to your mansion with you, when everyone is holding on, you open up your mental link with Medea, though you could probably have Medea Lily just teleport you straight there, you prefer to rely on the woman with a great deal more personal experience as a magus. 'I'm done here, can you teleport me and everyone touching me back now?' You wonder if Medea was watching as these events occurred.

Upon giving your order to the Caster, you soon find the world shift away from the harbor and back to your workshop, where Medea has a happy smile on her face. The smile doesn't falter when she catches sight of Medea Lily either. "Welcome back, Master." She first greets you before she turns to the cat eared Archer. "It's wonderful to see you again, Atalanta!" Then she turns to look her younger self in the eyes, and the two remained in silence. Staring at each other deeply, you aren't sure what they're attempting honestly.

>Remain silent, see where this goes.
>"Do you think that resonance would occur between the two of you if you touched?"
>"Medea, the younger version of yourself is no longer cursed. She wanted to see you."
>Headpat Medea Lily in front of Medea while maintaining perfect eye contact with her.
>Abruptly declare that you are going to adopt Medea Lily.
>Write-in...
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>>4818287
>Remain silent, see where this goes.
Our witch wife saw everything. We shouldn't interfere or do anything else. It's all up to the Medeas now.
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>>4818287
>Remain silent, see where this goes.
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>>4818287
>Remain silent, see where this goes.
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>>4818287
>>Write-in...
Headpat Medea Lily
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>>4818287
>Remain silent, see where this goes.
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>>4818287
>>Remain silent, see where this goes.
Maybe we shouldn't adopt the younger version of our witch wife, I don't know how to explain it but it feels wrong
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What are we going to do with Medea lily? Adpot, fuck or groom.
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>>4818319
Well she's like 13 so maybe not
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>>4818287
Argo-tan really is a gift that keeps on giving.

>"love, you were probably watching, but just in case - Chiyome successfully broke the curse imposed on the young lady."

I'm guessing we don't need to teach the eventual grandma to suck eggs
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>>4818319
Adopt I guess. She's going to be the mentally oldest of the kids in the household although Alitheia will catch up and/or overtake her soon at her current pace.
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>>4818317
Well, if our witch wife wants to adopt her by any chance I see no reason to refuse. But I'm pretty sure she'll think it's wrong too and she'll be a... mentor? big sister? to her younger self. Not a mother.

>>4818319
picrel
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>>4818319
headpat
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>>4818287
Abruptly declare that you are going to adopt Medea Lily.
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"Do you think that resonance would occur between the two of you if you touched?"
Interesting question, would a EMIYA/shirou thing happen eventually? or wont work because both are servants?
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>>4818342
It is an interesting question, but I don't think it will. They're both servants, they both already have the full set of memories. There shouldn't be any bleedover like with redman and shirou.
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Do you think it's cheating if we try for Mystic Eyes with Amethyst? QM said if we got a crit roll when we first transformed we would've got Rainbow Mystic Eyes
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>>4818355
Have you been drinking again? You should save it for the h scenes, it's not a healthy habit otherwise.

>>4818358
Anon, Amethyst is still missing from the last time we tried to powergame with her.
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>>4818355
>>4818355
how old is this image? surely this isn't older than the quest? If so, you had this planned didn't you
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>>4818358
We need to find her first, then add something that makes her a cute girl.
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>>4818355
>This is all your fault.
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>>4818358
That's really meta, and Rin might cry if it works.
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>>4818372
And if we get a crit fail we will turn into a girl forever
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>>4818362
>>4818369
Medea says she wants to talk to us, it's either an h scene or she found Amethyst

>>4818372
I was actually planning on recruiting Rin since she's the one who's tinkering with magical girl stuff
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>>4818381
Or she'll tell us she can't find her, or she's critically damaged, or Manaka has her, or anything else that might have gone wrong.

But my point isn't that we don't currently have her, it's that she went missing the last time we tried to powergame with her and it was a much more mild powergaming than what you're proposing.

I also don't want to risk turning a girl forever, ESPECIALLY right after we went through all this effort to finally resolve the shnjibowl and coom.
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>>4818287
>Remain silent, see where this goes.

>>4818319
Knowing coomers, probably all of those.
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>>4818287
Calling in 15.
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Just watching wins, I take?
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>>4818428
Yes
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>>4818428
ye
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>>4818428
y
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>>4818428
Yes
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You'll remain quiet. This isn't up to you to intervene in. It's between Medea, and... Well, Medea. While you don't leave the room like everyone else does, even Chiyome, you aren't going to involve yourself in this. It takes about a minute for the room to finish clearing, and for you to remain standing alone in your workshop with Medea and Medea Lily, still staring at each other.

"So. The curse was broken." Medea makes an obvious observation.

"Yeah. I don't love Jason anymore." Medea Lily crosses her arms. "I thought I would've ended up hating him more If I ever had the curse broken, but... Well, I guess there's only so much emotion that can be squeezed out of a betrayal, isn't there?" Medea Lily sighs. "I didn't feel hatred for him like I should have... Like what you did. I just... Felt empty."

"I felt empty too, at first. Though the circumstances of our curses being broken are quite different." Medea speaks to her younger self. "When I broke my curse, I did so while in despair, and... Well, it changed me. My act of going against the will of the gods by breaking their spell of love was something that condemned me. Pain Breaker, the power to restore and heal all wounds, and Rule Breaker, the power to cut and destroy all magic. The first 'rule' that was broken was the one given to us by the Goddess Aphrodite. The one that forced me to love a man I hated."

"I already knew all this." Medea Lily states with a cold voice, apparently not getting what Medea is trying to say here at all.

"But you're missing context. Aren't you? You know that Jason betrayed us, yet that knowledge of a future betrayal... I wouldn't have cared at the time either. If I were told that Jason would one day reject me in favor of another woman, even if I knew it were a truly infallible prophecy, I wouldn't have been able to turn against Jason." Medea keeps talking. "Do you understand what I'm saying? Your memories of those events, they... weren't something you lived through. You can't consider yourself me just because you have my memories, nor do I consider myself you, anymore." Medea explains things to her younger self, who frowns deeply at the explanation. "You were simply the Princess Medea of Colchis, the girl who loved Jason of Iolcus." Medea has a nostalgic smile on her face as she looks at her younger self. A reminder of her time before the curse struck her, no doubt. Of her training alongside Circe by Hecate.

"But... that love... it's gone now!" Medea Lily complains to her older self, as if expecting her to have an answer or a solution to the problem that she once faced herself.
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"Yes, it is. But that doesn't mean you need to replace that love for Jason with hatred like I did." Medea speaks kindly to her younger self. "You don't need to become the reviled Witch of Betrayal once again like I did. You don't need to invite misfortune and despair upon yourself like I did. You are... Free. You're free to live the life I would have lived if I never met Jason." Medea looks around her and spreads her arms wide. "Of course, the era is different, but... the lack of gods controlling every aspect of the world... isn't it liberating?"

"But... I'm still a Servant. Are you really telling me to go off and live another life as a Servant?" Medea Lily asks her older self, still skeptical of her words.

"Of course not, though it wouldn't be impossible. You're a Servant who wasn't summoned through the Holy Grail, but instead through the power of Jason's Noble Phantasm. No? I wager that you'll continue existing until you are destroyed, or Argo herself is." Medea seems incredibly amused by the idea of the Argo being turned into an actual living person. "Of course, if you're not content with that, then you can always assist me in incarnating all of the Servants in this war. My Master has taken the liberty of already using his abilities to incarnate a few of them, of course." Medea looks at you, and a thoughtful expression appears on her face, you wonder what she's thinking about...

"Then... If that's what you think I should do, that's what I'll do. I'll help you figure out a way to incarnate everyone properly, and then... And then I'll be free to live my own life, right?" Medea Lily seems to decide that she will go along with Caster's idea, and you're glad for it.
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"That's what I would do, were I in your situation... Which in a strange sort of way, I am." Medea smiles at her younger self. Happy that she's not receiving any form of youthful rebellion from her younger self. After all, there's no doubt about which of the two girls are wiser when it comes to life. Medea Lily really had no choice but to listen to her older self's advice, otherwise she would've just been stumbling around in the dark despite knowing exactly what her older self did and how she lived her life. "Now, I believe that gives me a good excuse to speak to my Master about something..." You look at Medea in surprise. "It's actually something unrelated to what I wanted to talk about before you left to the Argo, and it's not about your Kaleidostar either, which is still missing..." Medea looks you in the eyes with a piercing gaze now. "Your abilities, when you apply a concept to another, it takes root in the deepest part of the target, correct?" You nod. "The deepest conceptual part of somebody... I was wondering when exactly you were going to offer something like that for me." You look at Medea in outright confusion. What the hell is she talking about? She wants you to apply a concept to her? Sure, it's good for increasing the strength of a Servant, but does Medea even really need something like that now?

"P-Pardon?" You weren't expecting this at all, so you don't quite know how to respond.

"Oh don't get me wrong, it's not the power I care about, but... All these women you meet for the first time, and proceed to immediately fondle their conceptual existences to make them greater than they were before, I'm actually getting a little bit jealous. I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, but..."

"No, it's... Fine, I can understand." You sigh. You weren't expecting this to be something she asked you about, but you suppose your abilities are the sort of thing to spread jealously, in their own way.

>"I can always offer you a concept now." (What Concept?)
>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
>Write-in...
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>>4818548
>>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
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>>4818551
Support
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>>4818548
>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
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Is it possible to apply something impressive without tiring out? If not than we should wait till tomorrow.
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>>4818560
It really depends on what you want to apply to her. You can always have Medea teleport you off to a remote mountain with Alitheia though.
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>>4818548
>"I'm sorry love. I hadn't realized how this would make you feel."
>"I've actually been thinking a lot about what concept would best suit you and I'm still not sure. Mystery, maybe? You must have some ideas of your own by now that I'd very much like to hear."
>"But as you know, the more powerful a concept the more taxing it is. I made a promise, to you and to Sakura. I don't want to break it again."
>"Can we please wait until tomorrow? You deserve nothing but the best."
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Anyone has a list of good greek/latin concepts?
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>>4818596
Yeah
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>>4818596
Eudaemonia, let me find some more
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So, are we going to fuck medea or not?
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>>4818604
Yes, cynicism
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>>4818604
why wouldn't we
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>>4818609
Also ontology
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>>4818596
There have been discussions in the past. None of the Greek concepts I saw really fit Medea, other than Mystery which is also a Greek concept with many applications in Nasu magecraft.

And why latin? She's Greek.

>>4818599
>Eudaemonia
Literally means "Good luck", is used for "happiness" or "flourishing". How does it fit her?

>>4818604
Yes, but not right now. Possibly soon.
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>>4818609
>>4818611
Are you just listing random Greek words?
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>>4818612
Prosperity and blessedness. I'm sure it could help her somewhere.
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>>4818596
Last time I think it was: Mystery, Magus, Goetia, Theurgy,
Goetia is the magic that is based on formulas and not divinity, theurgy is divinity based magic.
Magus from Mágos,
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>>4818612
Then i guess asking her is better.
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>>4818614
No? The branch of metaphysics that deals with the nature of being.
n. The theory of being; that branch of metaphysics which investigates the nature of being and of the essence of things, both substances and accidents. Would help the evil witch
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>>4818616
It would help most people, yes. But how does it fit Medea, specifically?
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>>4818614
For the Cynics, the purpose of life is to live in virtue, in agreement with nature.
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>>4818548
>>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
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>>4818623
>Eudaemonia
Could help her territory creation maybe even item construction
Ontology would probably help high speed divine words
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There is also
>This association was in turn the product of the Hellenistic fascination for (Pseudo‑)Zoroaster, who was perceived by the Greeks to be the "Chaldean", "founder" of the Magi and "inventor" of both astrology and magic,

>>4818635
If you want to boost HSDW just use Theurgy. Its literally that and all magic Medea uses now as a AoG magic.
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>>4818618
>Mystery
Fits her
>Magus
Also fits her, but I think will be weaker than Mystery. Any random guy with magic circuits can be a magus, but Mystery is something rare.
>Goetia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon
I don't think it fits a Greek Mage from the Age of Gods at all. Also, the name of a Beast.
>Theurgy
Too associated with the divine. Not exactly the magic she practices. Thaumaturgy would be better.

>>4818621
We should DEFINITELY ask her, yes.

>>4818622
This has literally nothing to do with Medea. She doesn't question the nature of reality or the classifications of various concepts, and that's what ontology does.

>>4818625
Anon, in agreement with nature for the cynic philosophers means rejecting civilization and embracing asceticism. Does this sound like Medea?

>>4818635
You're saying how it would help, yes. But now how it fits her. Her powers, her personality, her history. None of them have anything to do with eudaemonia.
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>>4818640
Just trying to help. She ain't my waifu.
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>>4818548
>>4818585
Support
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>>4818640
Goetia/Goeteia is literally what non-divine Greek magic was called.

>For the Greeks magic (mageia or goeteia) was a wide-ranging topic which involved

>Magical operations largely fall into two categories: theurgy (θεουργία) and goetia (γοητεία).

Goe being the same as the root of magoi, magos, supposedly?
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>>4818548
>>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
>"If I go into this without enough power to apply an incredible concept, I could pass out from exhaustion or worse."

We're gonna go deep into our witch wife. Juice her up with the coolest concept.
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>>4818548
>>4818585
+1
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>>4818548
>>4818585
Support for now.
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>>4818548
>>4818585
Support
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>>4818649
iirc goetia pulled some magic crest bs and that's how you get demon god pillars in your body
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>>4818657
I just feel like this is like being afraid of "Babylon" because Beast 6 is probably "Whore of Babylon".

When Babylon refers to the the same "city of sin" the Key of Babylon does, as its synonymous with Rome, where Rome in nasuland is Human civilization.
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>>4818585
>>4818548
+1
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We could always go for some already discussed concept.
Witch of Triumph has a nice ring to it.
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>>4818649
Magos and Magoi were loanwords, from the persian Magi. There may have been a common indoeuropean root at some point, but I believe the greek goe is unrelated.

Now, I admit I am not very well versed in ancient Greek magical terminology, but I believe mageia and goeteia were not interchangeable terms. Goeteia literally means "charm" and refers to the branch of magic that would be probably be called curses in English.

And from the same wiki article you took that from:
>Goetia was a derogatory term connoting low, specious or fraudulent mageia.[10][37][38] Goetia is similar in its ambiguity to charm: it means both magic and power to (sexually) attract.

I can speak Greek, I've said it before.
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>>4818672
But can you speak the Kings English?
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Drawing upon her ancestor Helios, her chariot as a rider too...

Sol Invictus, the "Unconquerable Sun", the companion of the Emperor of the greatest civilisation on earth which in Fate is analogous to humanity itself.

She'll also be able to give Shinji a day of rest every Sunday.

Won't be around to debate for a few hours though, figured I'd throw in some autism
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>>4818679
I think the concept we apply to her should be based on her, her magic, her powers, her accomplishments. Not her ancestry.
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Calling in five.
>>4818678
Technically it's the Queens' English.
Unless Elizabeth II died just this moment.
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>>4818686
Pshh you speak in an uncultured tongue.
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>>4818679
I think something Sun related can work if she's up for it.
Other than the already discussed Mystery, both in the magus mystery sense and the Dyonisian Mysteries etc, I think neoplatonism stuff can work?
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>>4818679
Support
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>>4818688
Barbarians, the lot of you
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>>4818683
What do you think originally qualified her to be able to use HSDW?
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>>4818692
I bet you have heathen blood you mongrel.
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>>4818695
It doesn't matter what qualified her. It matters what she did with it herself, and she did nothing sun-related in her entire life. Both of her lives, actually. I'm not really against offering her the choice of that too, but something magic related seems much, much more fitting.
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>>4818548
support, we're just gonna be doing training and concept shit tomorrow
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>Other accounts, like Euripides' play Medea, focus on her mortality, although she transcends the mortal world at the end of the play with the help of her grandfather Helios and his sun chariot.

>Afterward, she left Corinth and flew to Athens in a golden chariot driven by dragons sent by her grandfather, Helios, god of the sun. Although Jason in Euripides calls Medea most hateful to gods and men, the fact that the chariot is given to her by Helios indicates that she still has the gods on her side.
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>>4818701
What do you mean it doesn't matter what qualified her? Its a part of her.
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>>4818705
Grandpa Helios lent her his chariot at her lowest point, yes. But that is still not something she did herself. It's literal deus ex machina, according to its original meaning no less.
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>>4818712
Yes, and? How do you think Mordred got her kingship? Someone who just perfectly had the means and will to grant her her greatest wish appeared and proceeded to do just that. That did not mean it had no bearing on her.

The curse of Chiyome was central to her despite it being inborn.
Vritra's nature was inborn and our concept was based on that.
Salter was blackened not through her own actions and our Hope focused on that.
Sakura's Inner World being good for Nullification was due to her inborn Attribute/Element.

Basically only Nobu and Suzuka had ones that were different.
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>>4818679
The real autism concept is Logos.

>The last pagan emperor of Rome, Julian, made Helios the primary deity of his revived pagan religion, which combined elements of Mithraism with Neoplatonism. For Julian, Helios was a triunity: The One, which governs the highest realm containing Plato's Forms, or intelligible gods; Helios-Mithras, the supreme god of the Intellectual realm; and the Sun, the physical manifestation of Helios in the Encosmic, or visible realm. Because the primary location of Helios in this scheme was the "middle" realm, Julian considered him to be a mediator and unifier not just of the three realms of being, but of all things (which was a concept likely imported from Mithraism, and also may have been influenced by the Christian idea of the Logos).
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What won?
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Well, I found a Greek word, already linked to Medea, already used in quest (not as a concept),very cheesy for Medea and possibly too expensive:
>Aletheia
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>>4818722
Also the Logos divine word stuff combining with HSDW
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>>4818723

>>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
>>4818551
>>4818553
>>4818631

>>"It's my day-off today, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow."
>"If I go into this without enough power to apply an incredible concept, I could pass out from exhaustion or worse."
>>4818651

>"I'm sorry love. I hadn't realized how this would make you feel."
>"I've actually been thinking a lot about what concept would best suit you and I'm still not sure. Mystery, maybe? You must have some ideas of your own by now that I'd very much like to hear."
>"But as you know, the more powerful a concept the more taxing it is. I made a promise, to you and to Sakura. I don't want to break it again."
>"Can we please wait until tomorrow? You deserve nothing but the best."
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>>4818647
>>4818652
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>>4818711
She is a mage, one of the greatest mages of all time. She also happens to be the granddaughter of Helios. One of those is her accomplishment. The other is mere happenstance.

>>4818719
We did not grant Mordred a concept related to Artoria or Unther, and we did not even think of it. We saved Chiyome from her ancestral curse, we did not lean into it. Saber Alter was just an incomplete scuffed copy of Saber, and we did not look into her ancestors to find a concept for her. And we did not consider concepting Sakura with Fire or Jewels just because those were related to Tokiomi. We did not consider anything divine-related for Enkidu, even though he was a creation of the gods. I think we did consider giving Suzuka something related to her demonic nature, but that's not what we ended up doing.

So of the previous concepts we applied, the only one that could be argued to be related to one's ancestry was Asha for Vritra, if you squint. We shouldn't start with Medea just because it appears something sun-related would give her access to more raw power.

>>4818722
I actually have nothing against Logos (literally "speech), but only because of the Divine Words connection, and the fact it had various connotations in Greek philosophy. The Helios connection centuries after Medea lived seems way, way too tenuous.
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>>4818740
I don't get why you think "ancestry, thing you are born from" is different from "innate attribute".
For Medea, the sun isn't just a distant ancestor or someone who sent her help. It's her blood itself, the reason she can do magic, which she chose to pursue.

For Sakura, that would be her Imaginary Numbers attribute/element. That is the trait that her blood, inborn, contains.

For Medea, that is the blood of Helios.
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I'm so tempted just to day we didn't think of it because she's already perfect.
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>>4818701
>It matters what she did with it herself, and she did nothing sun-related in her entire life
This was the original assertion that I think makes no sense.

Saber Alter did not hope her entire life, nor did she want hope, she wanted certainty by herself. Does that mean that hope was wrong to give? No.

Mordred wanted the power to protect her subjects, we chose to give Time, it worked.

Chiyome's ancestral curse was something we saved her from, but the action was still linked to it, and not just deleting it, but purifying it. It's still the same base.

Sakura's element is still sourced from Tokiomi and Aoi, as the ancestry carries magical circuits, otherwise you could say that Zouken's Water attribute was the most "magic she had to do with" but. . .

For Enkidu we considered more how to help him in the present while doing something that would have good consequences later down the line too. It wasn't based on an attribute or need of his outside the present.

Suzuka was one where it something based on her actions/nature.

Vritra was completely based on her nature and the Zoroastrianism-Hinduism connection as a Daeva.
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>>4818750
>I don't get why you think "ancestry, thing you are born from" is different from "innate attribute".
Because it frequently is. Sakura's ancestry is Tokiomi and his fire and jewel magecraft. Her innate attribute is Imaginary Numbers. Tokiomi's (and Aoi's) blood was what gave her the potential to be a magus, but the kind of magus she is has nothing to do with her ancestry.

Similarly, Helios's blood is Medea's ancestry, what gave her the potential to be a magus. But her magecraft is not the magic of the Sun, and has about as much in common with Sun as Sakura has in common with Jewels and Fire.
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>>4818766
>Saber Alter did not hope her entire life, nor did she want hope, she wanted certainty by herself. Does that mean that hope was wrong to give? No.
Hope was what she lacked. Is Sun powers what Medea lacks?
>Mordred wanted the power to protect her subjects, we chose to give Time, it worked.
Medea JUST said she doesn't care about the power. She is not Mordred.
>Chiyome's ancestral curse was something we saved her from, but the action was still linked to it, and not just deleting it, but purifying it. It's still the same base.
Giving Medea something sun-related is equivalent to giving Chiyome something curse-related. Now, granted, the sun is not nearly us unpleasant as Chiyome's curse, but the connection is still the same.
>Sakura's element is still sourced from Tokiomi and Aoi, as the ancestry carries magical circuits, otherwise you could say that Zouken's Water attribute was the most "magic she had to do with" but. . .
Sourced from them but not the same as them. And so we did not even consider looking at her parents' attributes for her.
>For Enkidu we considered more how to help him in the present while doing something that would have good consequences later down the line too. It wasn't based on an attribute or need of his outside the present.
>Suzuka was one where it something based on her actions/nature.
My point exactly
>Vritra was completely based on her nature and the Zoroastrianism-Hinduism connection as a Daeva.
Her nature but not entirely her ancestry, which is why I said it's the only similar case, kinda.
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>>4818769
???
Bruh. I have no idea how you think.

That would mean ANYTHING based on magic is not good for Medea, as Helios' blood is what it possible in the first place.

What she did with it herself is only possible because of her ancestry and how she was born

Even the dragon relation and Alitheia is only possible by her ancestry, though thats more her Princess thing, it is still based on blood. If she wasn't a princess, she wouldn't have had the opportunity to learn magic probably, and she definitely wouldn't have the Argon Coin we used to create Alitheia and thats also how she gained her dragon connection.
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Dead quest
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>>4818778
I declare that I have no idea how you think, and give up communicating on this issue.
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>>4818782
Alright, I won't continue this discussion by myself. We've started going in circles anyway.
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"I'm sorry, my love. I hadn't realized how this would make you feel." You apologize to Medea for not granting her a concept sooner. You genuinely didn't think that she would've been bothered by it, but when she puts it like that, you suppose it was foolish of you not to consider how she might feel. Your ability to apply concepts to beings is truly immensely powerful, but it's not the power that Medea is interested in at all. While she would of course get more powerful depending on whatever concept you apply to her, it's quite clear that Medea herself sees your abilities as a way to get closer to you, by allowing you to touch her conceptual core itself. "To tell the truth, I've been thinking a lot about what concept would best suit you, yet I'm still not certain what would suit you best. Perhaps Mystery, maybe?" You look at the woman. "You must have some ideas of your own by now, and I'd like to hear them."

"Ideas of my own? Well, I'd be lying if I said that I hadn't thought of any by myself, but..." Medea looks you deep in the eyes. "I did just say that I don't want you to do this for power, didn't I? I wouldn't want to alter whatever your decision might end up being based on my ideas, after all." Medea seems to have some sort of idea about just what the conceptual alteration means on a personal level. "It would cheapen it if I were to simply tell you what I thought best suited me. I want this to be something you choose. No matter what concept you choose to grant me, I will accept it happily." Oh, so she's using this as a test to see just how well you know her, is she? That's quite intelligent, actually. Somewhat frustrating, because Medea would certainly know the best concept to apply to herself, but the woman did already say that she didn't care for the power that would be granted. Still, you want to give her both a fitting and a powerful concept, so she can be stronger than she ever was before and also happy with the abilities you give her.
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"I see, well, I'll endeavor to think of something that best fits you then, Medea." You keep thinking of just what you could offer the woman, but you think of something else to say... "Well, there's one more thing too. The more powerful a concept is, the more taxing on me it is, as you already know. I want to give you the concept I feel like you deserve, but I don't want to break the promise I made to yo and Sakura, not again." You feel bad about having upset the two girls earlier on in the day, but something good did come out of that, at least. You probably could have waited until the day after to apply the concept to Mordred, of course, but Time was a concept taxing enough that you doubt there was ever truly going to be a way to avoid ending up unconscious on the floor after the application succeeded. "So can you please wait until tomorrow? You really do deserve nothing but the best, and I wouldn't be happy if I gave you some inferior concept instead of one I feel like you truly deserve." You make your excuses as to why you won't apply a concept to her immediately.

"I see... I understand, of course. I'll hold you to your word about it being done tomorrow though." Medea happily accepts your offer to imbue her with a concept tomorrow. Seems like she's patient enough to know when it's a better idea to wait instead of trying to force an issue and ending up in a bad situation somehow. Well, it does look like you're done here now though.

>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
>"I'm going to go and check on Atalanta and the kids, I need to make sure she's not suffocating under a dog-pile."
>"I was actually going to go see Sakura and help her to cook, actually. Would the two of you like to help?"
>"Actually, I wanted to go see Illya now. It's been a while, after all."
>Go see another ally first. (Who?)
>Write-in...
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>>4818880
>>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"

Acquire dialogue, speak with wife
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>>4818880
>>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4818880
>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4818880
>>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4818880

>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention
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>>4818880
>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4818880
>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
Easy choice.

Damn that mysterious woman, leaving what she really wants a mystery to the end. We'll have to make the right choice for her, anons.;)

And bringing Lily back was the right decision, but I would be suggesting doing more than speaking to her right now if she wasn't in the room.
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One more update?
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For a concept could we try space?
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>>4818928
In general yes, we did give Time to Mordred. Space has been discussed before. But it would be more fitting for either Abby or Sakura, they would be more compatible with Space than Medea.
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>>4818936
I feel like there are much better concepts for Sakura but yah space works perfectly for Abby.
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WhatIs, random thought: If we ask Sakura to give us suggestions for kid names, will she have some recommendations for us, or should we slowly start considering some kanji autism in the next few months as well?
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>>4818901
I hope so
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>>4818945
She may have a few suggestions, but she'll also expect you to have a few names prepared.
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>>4818936
At this I've half a mind to just go with "magic" since its encompassing, has greek/persian roots, and Mystery may not be perfect if we try transitioning to a Mysteryless magical foundation.

Both in the sense that we can try flipping it over at once by stabilizing the Concept (that people believe in magic) before / without revealing how magic works (loss of mystery) and juggling it into "science", or some Age of Truth stuff.

Codecasts and Spiritron Wizards were known and that didnt stop it from working.
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>>4818901
>>4818946
It's late.
I can try and fail to write one last update, or I can go to sleep now and be energized in the morning.
It turns out my sleep cycle is important for how much energy I have when writing.
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>>4818950
Try and fail Wendy's chef
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Why?
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>>4818963
Bc I'm an Arbys master chef and I want to see you succeed
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>>4818948
Kanji autism it is. We have more than enough time.

>>4818950
For the love of god, go to sleep.
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>>4818949
Magic would certainly fit her, yes. But I'd still go with Mystery. She is a mysterious woman full of secrets (even though she has none from us), keeping even what she wishes for a concept a mystery. Mystery is the foundation of magic in the Age of Man. She is an ancient witch, and Mysteries are more powerful the older they are. Mystery is also a Greek concept, even if those damned brits pilfered the word for their barbarian language.

In the abstract, Magic should be more powerful than Mystery. But we are not talking about the abstract, we are talking about a very specific case with a lot of factors making her more compatible with Mystery than she is with even Magic. And compatibility always translates to more power.

I doubt future-proofing the concept will be an issue. Everything about Magecraft will change with the Age of Truth for everyone, so we either make sure Mystery Magecraft is compatible with True Magecraft and no powers are lost, or everyone loses their powers and has to start from scratch discovering the new rules. We'll control everything about the transition, we can make sure we do this the right way when the time comes.

That said, Magic would be my second choice. I don't think any of the other concepts proposed for her come even close to those two.
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While I haven't found the HF3 pamphlet, I did find two translated statements randomly.

"Q: Is Angra a Beast and would Grands show up to fight it?
Nasu: For Servant Angra, yes (Beast of Retribution, if united with Sakura) and yes (when half the world is swimming in mud).
Takeuchi: Wait for Rebuild of Heaven's Feel for that!

Q: Is Zelretch's name that well known?
Nasu: Old bloodlines teach their children his name, and even young families have heard that "in the Clock Tower the great magician who led the World of Magecraft into battle long ago is still alive". Those who rise to the rank of Cause may eventually hear of another Magician by the name of Yumina.
Takeuchi: Is Zelretch still a vampire in Fate worlds?
Nasu: No, but he's got something along the lines of immortality all the same. "

Interesting, Yumina?
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>>4818963
go to sleep or perish
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>>4819032
With a random interview explicitating the connection of Goetia and Blue.

4gamer interview.

"Nasu: Yes. Goetia’s choice to “recreate everything with a better foundation” is an act close to being True Magic. That PV was perhaps some sort of reverse foreshadowing where knowing what Goetia is lets you see Aoko’s tracks, as well as a glimpse of the Fifth Magic’s identity. Think of it as fanservice from me. (laughs)
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>>4819051
Fifth Magic is probably something like the Big Crunch,
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>>4819056
Fifth Magic is Made in Heaven.

Clock Tower 2015 also has this interesting bit about the Director.

"If only there were no Lords this place would be pretty liveable, pointless though it is to hope. They're even more stubborn than the vampire knockoff that's been running the Clock Tower for nearly a thousand years. Ah, but wasn't El-Melloi ruined? And I've heard the Mineralogy top brass have changed too."
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>>4819075
Though that running the Clocktower bit could refer to someone else, but the vampire knockoff running it is still interesting.
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>>4819027
>She is a mysterious woman full of secrets
I dont get this sense of her at all as thats just a general secrecy everyone has.

This kind of mystery would have more to do with mystery cults, dyonisian mysteries, orphic mysteries etc anyway, as per KnK. I don't think she has connections to those as she learned from Circe and Hecate. The Hecate connection makes me like Magic even more.

AoG before the Human Order existed at all should have had magic anyway, but I am nearly 100% sure that didnt work on Mystery, as thats related to humanity anyway. I mean before 14,000BC

This would mean Mystery isnt really a pure AoG concept, more like the overlap between AoM and AoG imo, as there was no mystery, the Order was the Gods, and that was it.
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>>4818948
do u think she'll appreciate us naming two of our kids after our best friends? Seems like an easy way to pick names
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>>4819152
Our best friends? Guess we could name one Alan.
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did Medea have kids in Nasuverse? Cause if she didn't we should absolutely name our son we have with her Medus
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>>4818936
OP also said explicitly that it’s such a boundless concept that it would kill us as time would without its ability to go into a loop for our benefit.

Anyways I wonder if rather than looking for concept that would enhance her magic she would not benefit more from something that complements her personality, or mends and soothes the scars she carry, like we did for Vritra and Nero.
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>>4819236
we'd have to go to the mountains then
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>>4819236
If she's the Witch of Betrayal, I could see Trust being a good concept for her.
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>>4819236
To her now relatively wholesome circumstances
>Family
>Home

Or something reflecting ability to deal with bad experiences in way that leave one stronger and wiser, or keeping others from making mistakes.
>didacticism (or some Greek variant)
Or playing to the wicked reputation
>Absolution
>Forgiveness
>Rehabilitation

Also didn’t Greeks have several different words for love with varying context? Some of them might be appropriate here. Storge? Philia? Agape might be not appropriate... well I’ll defer to Sakuranon in this. It should probably not give her ability to inflict it as curse, but rather be a font of power to draw on in protection of those she cares for, or feels otherwise empathy for.
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>>4819258
Trust is a good thing but I’m worried that it might go too far in affecting her personality, possibly even to her detriment.
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>>4819269
Pragma could work well, too, depending on how one interprets it - the commitment factor might be extra good for Medea, while if one sees in implied as less passionate that might be case against it.
However it also holds promise of windfall gains in the more businesslike and philosophical connotations of the term.
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Dead quest
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>>4819297
It's not dead, it merely sleeps.
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>>4819147
Look at her original timeline appearances. She used a hood to hid her face. She used shadows to hide her shape. She kept secrets from everyone, even Souichirou. This was beyond general secrecy, and related to her lack of trust in people.

In this Quest, she ran and hid when we helped her. She tried to kidnap us with a teleportation trap instead of just coming to talk to us. Even after she decided to join us, she played coy and refused to answer immediately, waiting until after we'd cooked and had lunch with her and Shirou. This is a character trait of hers.

Mystery isn't a pure AoG concept, I agree. But there is overlap, and it is an incredibly strong concept in the present.

>>4819152
Waver is strange for a nip name, but I don't think she would object.

>>4819164
She did have kids with Jason, that she murdered at his wedding to his young tramp. I don't know about Medus specifically though.

>>4819236
True, Time is the only one of the vast concepts that wouldn't kill us on the spot right now. But we don't have to do this right now. We'll be getting more powerful over the years, and even concepts like those will not be beyond us forever. We don't have to hurry.

Vritra was a hollow being, a demon who could feel no emotion. Nero had the potential to be half of a Beast. Medea is neither. She is just a normal woman who has been betrayed and hurt by her love. She carries scars, yes, but those scars are part of her. We can give her the love and affection she needs to move past those scars the normal way. I feel like granting her a concept will be a cheat, like we're going for the easy solution instead of the correct one because we don't want to make the effort.

>>4819258
Trust is something she finds so difficult that the concept of Trust would probably flip her personality upside down. Let's not do that.
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>>4819269
We can give her a family and a home (lower case) the hard way, the way that requires time and effort instead of ten seconds and some mana. I think the hard way will be the best way for our wife.

Didacticism has the same root as "teaching" in Greek. She has been taught by her experiences, but teaching others is not a priority for her I'd say, and she wouldn't really appreciate a concept related to this.
Absolution and the like are not what she wants. She is not Berserker Nero, she doesn't blame herself. What she wants is to find happiness as a woman, and I don't think those would help

The greekoids did have multiple words for love and still do. Storge is intense familial love, the love a parent feels for his child or the love of two partners who have been together for a long time and have moved past the passionate honeymoon phase. Philia is love between friends. Agape is the more generic form of love. Love of your job, animals or your partner.

My problem with giving her a love-related concept, in addition to what I said above about cheating instead of giving her the time and effort she needs, is Aphrodite, the goddess of love who is responsible for everything wrong with Medea's life. Granting her power over love would make her too similar to that bitch goddess.

>>4819288
This is the first I heard of "pragma" used to describe love. Googling the term lead me to the wiki which had this to say:
>The color wheel theory of love is an idea created by Canadian psychologist John Alan Lee that describes six styles of love,[1] using several of the Latin and Greek words for love. First introduced in his book Colours of Love: An Exploration of the Ways of Loving (1973),
>Lee defines pragma as the most practical type of love, not necessarily derived out of true romantic love. Rather, pragma is a convenient type of love.
Let's not do that.
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Also, I might be busy later today after we talk to our wife and the choice comes again, so I'd recommend these as our next moves:

>Call Miyako, ask her how she's been, offer her a teleport to the mansion. It's not safe out there.
>Call Waver again, offer him and his group a teleport to the mansion. It's not safe out there.
>Find Morgan, tell her to help Waver locate Gray and Flat. She'll appreciate dabbing on Merlin by succeeding where he failed.
>Ask the Medeas if they would like to come and help you and Sakura cook.

Could someone please post it, or something similar, if you agree and I'm not around?
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>>4819341
>>4819343
Well I fundamentally disagree with you in that the Truth modification we do and she outright requests would somehow mean we should neglect her in more everyday aspects of our relation to her.

Another reason why I'd advocate a love related concept is that she outright stated that the main reason she wants us to Touch her is to show her the same intimacy we've already granted to our other allies. That makes me believe she'll appreciate much more a concept derived from what we think would make her happy rather than something that would make her a powerhouse (not to mention that OP may choose to boost the effects if he finds in them good compatibility to what he envisions Medea would want).

Reason why I brought up the forgiveness and related ones is that of her tragic history goes past just something that would be a painful experience one gradually integrates and moves on. She appears to be fine now, but she still suffers from abandonment issues. It's her conceptual weakness I'd like to shore up, it doesn't mean I'd like to abandon her.

As for Pragma I'm inclined to agree, although I've found another definition which seemed pretty perfect for her.
>The everlasting love between a married couple which develops over a long period of time. Pragma was the highest form of love; the true commitment that comes from understanding, compromise and tolerance. It is pragmatic this is why it is referred to as “standing in love” rather than “falling in love” because it grows over time and requires profound understanding between lovers who have been together for many years.

But yeah there is too much space to interpret it as transactional justification of being together.
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>>4819341
>She is just a normal woman who has been betrayed and hurt by her love.
Here I'd bring up GO characterization, but it seems like thats ignored here?
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>>4819359
No, wait. We also need to grab Touko and go bring Medusa and her sisters out of the Shapeless attic. Shishou'll be able to help them like she helped Betty. I'd put this after asking Morgan to find Gray and Flat and before cooking.
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>>4819373
Not really, most servants here are from FGO
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>>4819378
Yeah can we do that next? I feel bad that we're kinda forgetting about Medusa, I don't give a shit about her sisters but Medusa deserves to be happy
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>>4819380
Yeah, although I don't think she can be truly happy unless we help her sisters as well, or at least ensure they are safe and not in pain.
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Wasn't an idea brought up for concepts Arte? Also how many of our allies could we concept if we wanted to? I know we could give a concept to Satsuki, Shirou, Sakura etc but what about people like Touko?
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>>4819379
Because even before being love-cursed Medea was pretty uhh stab happy, according to Circe stuff. Both in her Princess times and learning from Circe.
When Circe insulted her father or brother, I think?
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>>4819392
Or forming Pain Breaker into a dagger, when staff also works. And going to stab Circe sometimes.
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>>4819372
I'm not saying you want to abandon her by granting her a love-related concept. I'm saying that it's not her conceptual weakness, just a wound she carries with her from the betrayals in her life. And I believe time and our relationship are more appropriate ways to heal that wound than a quick concept.

And what about the Aphrodite connection?

That definition for "pragma" is very similar to the definition for "Storge", as the kind of love that grows over time while passion diminishes. I have never heard of pragma used in this context before. It is not a greek concept, it is a concept a canadian psycologist came up with and used a greek word to describe it. I can only assume he did it for the flex.

>>4819373
I haven't played FGO. From what people have been saying, it twists the characterization of returning characters and emphasizes their bad traits to a comical degree. They've told me, for example, that Mordred was a retard in GO, and she was very much not in Apocrypha. Likewise, myth Medea was a normal girl before she got twisted by Aphrodite, and nasu Medea is not stab-happy now, after she rid herself of the curse. I see no reason to accept a characterization that says she'd been twisted all along and essentially absolves the goddess of her guilt. I personally accept FGO characterization only for characters who have appeared nowhere else, or where it doesn't contradict what's been established elsewhere about the character.

>>4819383
That's why we'll be taking Touko with us. She'll seal their skill, and all three sisters will be able to come out.

>>4819388
We could give one to Touko yes, if she wanted. I'd say we should offer to concept all of the people we're close with, and Shishou certainly is.
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>>4819388
>Wasn't an idea brought up for concepts Arte?
You mean Arete? Defined as
>Arete (Greek: ἀρετή) is a concept in ancient Greek thought that, in its most basic sense, refers to "excellence" of any kind.[1] The term may also mean "moral virtue".[1] In its earliest appearance in Greek, this notion of excellence was ultimately bound up with the notion of the fulfillment of purpose or function: the act of living up to one's full potential.
>In the Homeric poems, Arete is frequently associated with bravery, but more often with effectiveness. The person of Arete is of the highest effectiveness; they use all their faculties—strength, bravery, and wit—to achieve real results. In the Homeric world, then, Arete involves all of the abilities and potentialities

It's a nice concept for sure, but it'd fit Alcides best.
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>>4819403
>And what about the Aphrodite connection?

It depends on specific powers she got from the concept. I'd say it would be a cause of concern if we used Eros which I think we'll agree would be a bad idea.
With other love related concepts I don't think it should be an issue, especially with her own experience. If anything, it might make her detest Aphrodite even more for wielding her power without realizing, or caring, about the effect it might have on the afflicted.

In fact I'd say there's a fundamental distinction here if the concept of love we give Medea stems from genuine emotion we share, in contrast to Aphrodite's authority over it where she uses it at a whim. I don't think it could turn her into anything like Aphrodite, rather it will give her genuine ability to look down at her.
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>>4819403
Side mats do say some things too, not just GO.

>Having fallen under the goddess Aphrodite's curse to fall in love with Jason,
CM3 only gives the curse as love, not anything more.

Side mats gives these.

>To tell the truth, Caster really did possess qualities to become a villainess, but fundamentally she was just a young girl in love.
>Caster would do absolutely anything to the target of her affection,

Just saying. She absolutely got fucked over, but mats hint pretty damned strongly that uhh... it wasn't outside her nature. I feel like this wasnt that bad a fuckup, or even any, just a specific interpretation.
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>>4819426
The problem is, that at the time there was no difference between Aphrodite and genuine love.
"Love and Hatred were as Gods", so said exposition in Babylonia.

A Divine Spirit and their Authority are one and the same entity. A distinction only exists for actual Gods.
Physical laws, human cultures, feelings and emotions, knowledge. These phenomena were all Authorites and Divine Spirits.
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>>4819403
Also, nowhere does it absolve Aphrodite. If her value system remained stable, she would not have done that.
That she herself could've done it still means somebody (Aphro) forced her into a situation where she would.

Being able to become a killer, still means the situation has to come about where it happens, and this was essentially engineered.

Doesn't change either fact.
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>>4819435
With also some lines that real OG Age of Gods humans, before Alaya/HO, may have been much more rigid and societal. Less indivdualistic than AoM humans.
There may have been this degree of difference.
Solomon talks about it when he talks about why he chose the name Roman iirc.
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Fucking infectious nanomachines, man.
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>>4819435
I mean, I guess you can be a sapient construct of love and yet not feel any for people you inflict yourself on.
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>>4819447
As Beasts have shown, and people in general, loving something doesnt equal doing good to something.
Loving something for your own sake, one sidedly, etc.

Take into account that Aphrodite wwasnt just love. As Aphrodite Areia she was also war with all that entails. Murder-love

Thats not necesssarily a healthy combo, Ishtar dialogue about conflicting Authorities not really being good for you.

This was even a theory for a time why Abrahamic God was so schizo in Nasu too. God of Everything is so many fucking conflicts. This was dialogue from one person, so may or may not be right about conflicts.
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>>4819426
As >>4819435 said, Aphrodite governed all love, not just Eros. I admit you're getting me to reconsider the concept of love as an expression our genuine emotion, but I don't think we can avoid the Aphrodite connection if we go down this route.

>>4819431
It wasn't outside her nature, yes, but fundamentally she was just a young girl in love. Aphrodite's curse brought those villainess qualities to the surface though, and I still refuse to accept she was stab-happy and kinda crazy already as a little girl.

>>4819438
I don't disagree with that at all?

>>4819454
She was also called Aphrodite androphonos sometimes, which means mankiller. She really was the goddess of all kinds of love, including yandere love.
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Yoinking this idea from some other autism of mine, but Genetrix

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_(mythology)#Genetrix

Supreme housewife!
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>>4819458
>I don't disagree with that at all?
I was disputing this
>>4819403
>essentially absolves the goddess of her guilt.

Medea having the inclination to act as she did =/= Aphro is absolved.
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>>4819458
Fair enough, although only connection I can possibly see here is making Medea superior to her (in more ways than she already is).

Anyway I think I've presented my case enough. And forgot to actually vote although this one seems rather obvious.
>>4818880
>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4819458
>It wasn't outside her nature
I think this and her being just a young girl in love are completely orthogonal.

Both are 100% true. Her love can be as murderhappy if she believes it is needed and for the sake of her love, and her love can be pure at the same time.
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>>4819462
>Supreme housewife!
There will be competition for this title yet, I bet!
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>>4819462
Fucking Caesar. Hera was supposed to be the goddess of motherhood and supreme housewife. Not Aphrodite.

>>4819464
Everyone has the capacity for evil inside them anon. Some more than others true, but no one is exempt. The fact that the curse of a goddess brought it to surface for Medea is not really an indicator of what her nature is, or what she would do if she hadn't been cursed.
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>>4819479
>The fact that the curse of a goddess
Well, that. And Circe playfully insulting her father. And Circe's existence when learning under her.
But really if you disregard GO characterization as is, there really is nothing to talk about, as I dont, I guess?

This is why I started it with "Are we using GO character stuff".
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>>4819479
One more thing thats a question, do you think her being like that normally make her lesser?
Cause I've got no problem with that characterization, but I also dont care aout her being "evil".
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>>4819482
Yes, I think GO characterization disregards what was previously known about her for the lulz. I guess we really have nothing to talk about.

>>4819483
No, of course I don't think it makes her "lesser". I just think GO's characterization, of a girl already kinda crazy channeling her crazy in a specific direction due to the curse, is stupid and less tragic than what was previously thought, a perfectly normal girl going crazy due to this curse.
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>>4819473
Hard to argue with the fundamental concept of it though.

And if she gets the outfit booba on display
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>>4819458
Also Medea overpowered Aphrodite's curse with her own two hands, meaning being able to usurp the most kino part of her Authority, the head of the home should be an easy task.

Also, deemed the patron Goddess of Rome itself, so effectively the patron goddess of mankind by fate Romeaboo logic.

>goddess of motherhood and domesticity

We're already keeping her off the frontlines :^)

Witch wife!
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>>4819493
>Hard to argue with the fundamental concept of it though.
I can and I will. This is a roman concept, not a greek one. The mythologies were similar but not the same. It is also a concept added to Venus by Caesar to aggrandize himself centuries after Medea lived. Hera was the goddess of motherhood and domesticity during her time, and Hera was the goddess who cursed Jason to die alone and unloved after he ditched Medea. And I'm sure Medea would prefer to become the ultimate housewife through her own efforts instead of having it handed to her with our haxx.

>>4819504
>We're already keeping her off the frontlines
Can't argue with that, we became insanely overprotective after SAlter almost killed her. But I thought we maybe wanted to change that?
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>>4819075
Made in Heaven is the Big Crunch tho?
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>>4819509
>This is a roman concept, not a greek one.
Like how Asha was a Hindu concept, not a Zoro one, right?
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Fidelity
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>>4819513
Actually, wasn't Norikata's plan Made in Heaven with his accelerate time stuff? Now that I think about it. Maybe he was nearly The Blue
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>>4819515
There were many legitimate reasons to connect Asha and Vritra though. There are literally none to connect this with Medea. We could take an aspect of Hera instead of Venus and achieve the same result if we wanted.
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>>4819516
Too late.
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>>4819525
what?
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Something interesting I found while researching the connection between Medea and Hera:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=480Wd8G6LPYC&pg=PA46&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
>Ancient sources call Medea the founder of the cult of Hera Akraia and of its annual festival, the Akraia, which was dedicated both to the goddess and to Medea's dead children

To be clear, I do not recommend Akraia. It just means "of heights".
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CMIII states this interesting bit:

>Theories have been left behind that Medea, who achieved an immortal body from her devotion to the study of magecraft, became the reigning queen of the paradise, Elysium.
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FGO really enjoys shitting on Medea.
The adult Medea is given a screeching femcel personality and no story relevance ever, though she does get to scream about how she wants Riajuu to explode.
And Medea Lily completely fucks over the entire point of the Tragedy of Medea with "Oh she was always crazy!!!" Because the whole point of the story is that boundless love for somebody is a bad thing that can lead you to do terrible things. It's not "Oh you had that quality in you all along.", that's not how fucking love works you stupid motherfuckers. Evil is done in the name of love all the time.
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>>4819543
gachashit is cancer, Nasu is a hack and I hate him.
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More Sol Invictus shilling for the sunchads in the thread. Invincible, Unconquerable Sun by it's direct name, she conquered Aphrodite's curse herself. Even herc jobbed to goddess mindrape in myth.

Medea's link to Helios is what gave her the ability to even pursue magic in life, it's what granted her the ability to use HSDW, etc. etc. anons already bought this up. Her link to granddaddy Sun is the whole reason she wasn't just an NPC lost to time.

The part of her myth where she was actively saved from her shit situation utilised Helios' chariot. We are that part of her myth now. It would make only make sense pottery, it rhymes

>Other accounts, like Euripides' play Medea, focus on her mortality, although she transcends the mortal world at the end of the play with the help of her grandfather Helios and his sun chariot.

>Sol (also called Sunna) is the goddess of the sun, while her brother, Mani, is the god of the moon. Sol rides a chariot that is drawn by two golden horses. Sol does have roots as a female goddess, even though there are several male interpretations. Use of the chariot is also consistent.

We're making the new great empire, we are continuing Romulus' original dream of Rome, and Medea's going to be directly by our side. It only makes sense to not only link her to her origins, but elevate her exactly as she was in myth so she doesn't ever feel left behind. And, Sol Invictus is specifically the companion of the Emperor, the leader of mankind into this new age.

It's kino, Praise the Sun.

Also, if you think she doesn't use the Sun in any iterations, when her corpse is puppetted by wormpa in HF her most instinctive grug magic has her create a small sun. Her connection to the Sun is so deeply ingrained in her it's what she defaults to with no conscious control over her body anymore, it's completely innate to her being.

Really fucking weird deja vu all of a sudden. spooky. I feel like I dreamt this exact scenario before...?

>>4819529
Google Nero's last words
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>>4819548
>another episode of pushing Rome
SKIPPED
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>>4819548
Nigger, she just said she doesn't want the power. Granddad Helios gave her the ability for her magecract just like Tokiomi gave Sakura the ability for her magecraft. We still did not even think Fire or Jewels for Sakura, because that is not her. That is Tokiomi. And just the same, Sun is not Medea, it's her grandpa.

Grandpa sent her his chariot to bail her at her lowest, but that is not her. That is something that happens to her. And we are not that part of her myth. We are long past that part of the myth. If anything, we are Aegeus, her second husband and father of the man who would mythically go on to found the Persian Empire. I still have no idea if that happened in nasu.

Her corpse uses her sun while puppeted by Zouken without her conscious control, yes. But is there a single instance where MEDEA uses the sun of her own free will?

And what is it with you and your fascination with Rome? Romans were cool, but THIS much? They didn't even have a culture or mythology of their own, they just cribbed Greek and changed it a bit so they wouldn't get caught cheating!
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What about Fulfillment?
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>>4819558
>And what is it with you and your fascination with Rome?
Well, outside of being the basis of a lot of laws, civilization etc, nasu made them synonymous with Humanity and the Human Order itself, with Romulus-Quirinus being the God of Humanity of human origin.

Key of Babylon from Gil is so named because Babylon is the "city of sin", the city of sin is Rome as per Whore of Babylon and the dragon of 7 heads and the 7 capitolium hills, and thus Babylon-Rome stands for Humanity, representing Gil having all of human wisdom.

Since Nasu apparently remembered Gil was Sumerian and this was in a mats.
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>>4819561
This feels like it'd be like being hit by Extra Saver's NP and being Moksha'd and deleted. Would not recommend
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>>4819558

Filthy barbarians

Rome = Human Civilisation by Nasuverse canon.

Every time she uses HSDW she draws upon her Divine lineage.

>High-Speed Divine Words (高速神言, Kōsoku Shingon?) is a skill to activate thaumaturgy using Divine Words (神言, Shingon?). They are languages from the Age of Gods, back when words played a heavy role in spellcasting, and that modern humans can no longer pronounce.

>The users can do High-Thaumaturgies in one second because they give the World orders directly without connecting their Magic Circuits.

>All mythologies have different Divine Words and two of them appeared so far; the Greek one that Medea and Circe use and the Egyptian one Nitocris casts.

Circe and Medea both draw their access through Helios' blood.

Nitocris is also Divine, which is what gives her access.

HSDW is a god, or someone of their lineage just outright telling the world to change at their command. Any and all magic she has ever used without sitting down and mixing up potions has been due to her Helios connection.
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Although I'm still inclined towards a love-related concept, likely Storge, how about

>Solace
that would serve as a gift we'd always wish for her to keep, and that would ensure her trauma can't be used against her.

>Clarity
boon to her senses and perception and ability to pierce through obscuring influences that would affect her decisionmaking

>Untangling? Weaving? (Re)spinning?
Linked to the concept of threads of fate, ability to manipulate them. Maybe Sakurautist can come up with suitably greek word for this? A bit tenuous though since it relies on our intervention changing her fate I suppose.

I think we'll all agree we'd rather change her title away from "of Betrayal", in any case.


>>4819516
Wouldn't that make her simply go fight with Argo to reclaim Jason?
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>>4819565
AoG magic is basically nepotism instead of research.
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>>4819565
And Medea is the kind of person who uses magic for absofucking lutely everything she does. WhatIs even mentions this in a few updates. If she's using Magic, she's using her blood given trait as that is the form of magic she has cultivated over the course of her life.

If you didn't have Divine blood too fucking bad, magic doesn't work yet for you as GIGAKIKE and his demon AI haven't given normie human magi access to magic yet. Gods only, plebs fuck off.
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Why not Forgiveness?
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>>4819571
she did nothing wrong.

If your body became a meatpuppet for aphrodite are you to blame for the damage caused?
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>>4819573
Well she clearly doesn't feel good about herself doing it even if she knows she did it under effects of a curse. There is room for forgiveness to work.
Also, you make good point with Sun, and we're certainly not going to be using it with Tamamo or Karna, although I still think dabbing on Aphrodite with power of Love would be more kino than doing so with Sun.
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>>4819576

Pretty much any kind of Forgiveness is a wasted concept.

ENTER, CUP

>Bearer of the Vessel of Salvation: EX
>Thanks to the application of the concept of Salvation to her, Nero has gained access to something akin to the True Holy Grail. Instead of spewing forth a poison that corrupts and enslaves all life, this cup instead 'saves' whoever drinks from it. Absolving them of sin and purifying their body of any evils that cling to them.
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>>4819565
>Filthy barbarians
Πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος εστί

She uses her divine heritage, but she does not use the Sun. And what she does with her divine heritage is not sun related at all.

>>4819566
Eh, I like Storge or Agape more than any of these, and I still like Mystery or maybe Magic more than something love related. I don't care enough about having her manipulate fate to go find something suitable.

>>4819568
She uses magic, but she does not use the sun. I'm getting tired of repeating myself here.

>>4819573
This. She does not seek forgiveness, and she literally did nothing wrong. What she seeks now is happiness and a second chance.
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>>4819576
I am 75% certain that Amaterasu is a potential Beast IV. IV seems to be Comparison, and Amaterasu has her whole spiel about changing in regards to the era and the will of humanity, becoming warlike and favouring butchery if the humans want that and glory, and being beneficent and nurturing if peace is valued.

Sounds similar to the Fou/Primate Murder split being influenced by what it observes. I think this means that if Beast IV is already something else she won't become one? Probably?
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>>4819580
Well, more like we know for a fact she's an Evil of Man, but this is more about which one she may be.
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pay debnts

any magic she uses is because of her link to the sun. In fact, any and all use of canon HSDW is SPECIFICALLY linked to blessings of the Sun. And HSDW is how she uses all of her magic.

Guess who Nitocris is blessed by?

>Affection of the Sky God (天空神の寵愛, Tenkūshin no Chōai?, lit. "Affection of the Sky Father")

>Rank B User(s) Nitocris
>A Pharaoh’s Divinity changes in accordance to the era, etc., but she is regarded as a child of the Sky God Horus, as well as his incarnation.[8]

Horus is the Egyptian sun god.

Also, before you argue it's from any other source like Anubis, she actually has a completely separate skillset for her Anubisian death/necromancy magecraft which is actually from her magic crest:

>Egyptian Magecraft (エジプト魔術, Ejiputo Majutsu?)

>Rank A User(s) Nitocris
>Denotes one’s ownership of the Magic Crest of ancient Egypt. The owner of this Skill is given a plus modifier towards checks related to necromancy.[1]

Unless I'm retarded, Medea doesn't even have a magic crest. She's 100% running off her lineage connections to Helios. So unless Medea also has a crest to source her magic from, it's all due to SUNCHAD lineage.
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>>4819587
What about Faker?
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>>4819588
Hephaestion/his sister have no recorded lineage so we don't know. He was DUDE's closest friend, who saw himself as a child of Zeus. There may have been a connection between their Divine ancestries that made them end up so close?

Just like Primordial runes though, you need Divinity to use HSDW as it's like a sub tier of Authority, where the user just commands the world to move and it complies as it kneels their their Divinity.
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>>4819587
Medea most likely doesn't have a Crest but I am unsure if she uses magic circuits. Circe's circuits show up as the glowing patterns on her wing-cape, and Medea similarly has glowing symbols on her cape when going all out.
She probably learned from Circe to extend her circuits into her cloak and make it a part of her like Circe did.

Magic circuits basically existed, but since you can only connect to a Foundation when a God allows you to and the Law of Cycles instead of Consumption meant that using a lot of magical energy and not getting it back instantly wasn't a thing. Entropy and less than 100% energy efficiency in general seems to be an Age of Man specific thing?
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>>4819588
Going off her NP, Hecatic Wheel, she draws a bit of conceptual inspiration from Hecate. Hecate being a Moon Goddess, and the Moon being a mirror of the Sun so still works. Sun/Moon are also consistent in Ra. Moon reflects the Sun so stands to reason it keeps the SUNCHAD magic potency
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>>4819593
The one thing is that divine heritage is not necessarily whats needed. Specifically its divine blood or a contract with a God, as Heartless' plan relied on Divine Spirit Iskandar making all the coins with his face as talismans you can use to form a contract, making Age of Gods magecraft here again.
I imagine this is to explain how various Orphic/Dyonisian Mystery initiation gave magic to people without ancestry, along with austerities in hinduland giving shit and stuff like that.
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What about something like Beginning?
Representative of a new beginning for Medea and also granting her Causality and Origin fuckery?
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>>4819596
As far as I know Hecate's magic goddessness comes more from being goddess of crossroads.
Similarly to how Hermes is a god who can move between underworld/upper world/olympus etc normally, and is also psychopomp and stuff like that, with him being Hermes Trismegistos and the origin of hermeticism and a lot of magic shit being this "trespassing" aspect? I am not 100% on this.
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>>4819587
Actually, I looked some stuff and something interesting. The origin of the name/word Hecate and some speculation:

"In particular, there is some evidence that she might be derived from the local sun goddesses (see also Arinna) based on similar attributes."
This may be valid in nasu, since Medusa seems to be some sort of degenerated Cybele anyway, also an Anatolian goddess in Greece.
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Let's concept Wukong with Dragon Ball Z
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Nasu is very on the nose about the link between sun and moon if that helps?
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>>4819603
Wukong needs to learn to KNEEL to seaweed, or they get a new headband made of Truth
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>>4819606
Karna's SUNCHAD armor also makes you deletionproof.
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>>4819610
Do we want to try restoring Medusa's whole Cybele divinity, since she doesn't have a concept yet? Since she seems to be that but reduced. Probably due to Greekchad absorption like Castor and Pollux.

She doesn't remember Sefar but Shteno and Euryale do, she ages when the other two don't, she has demonic attributes, her eyes are called Cybele, she is heavily implied to be an Earth Mother Goddess like Cybele, Catolhoyuk and Anatolia is very important in nasuland. . . Probably lost her Divinity/Authority like Castor but also got hit with memoryfuckery, maybe due to Earth Mother Goddesses being OP.
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How about Vindication?
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>>4819614
It would make sense that her Cybele component was damaged by Sefar, her sisters were spared as they don't fight.

The risk is will she be a different person? Who knows what that personality was like. We should have a serious conversation with her sisters to get their thoughts about who Medusa may have been before, but I won't say no unless they say she was basically a different person.
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>>4819615
Oh!
What about Amendment or Amend?
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>>4819616
That makes sense.
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>>4819614
also

four faces

>>4819615
I mean that lets her absolve others and herself, but she dindu nuffin so it's almost a waste.

Great concept for someone who's innocent monster is so deeply ingrained in themselves they can't be freed without destroying their Saint Graph. Maybe Vlad? Sallieri?
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>>4819588
Also figured I'd check out Hecatic Wheel's actual info page

>The name “Hecatic” is derived from the goddess Hecate, from whom Faker’s lineage of magecraft from the Age of Gods finds its source. Though faint, there is some connection to the Caster of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

would you look at that
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We still need to concept Shuten.
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>>4819626
We need to let her drink Merlin so she becomes a semen demon
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>>4819629
Merlin will probably be in to it.
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>>4819624
We know that both Circe and Medea learned from Hecate, so if nasu Hecate was actually also an Anatolian sun goddess we might confirm it, but sadly, its still unknown. Does make sense, since Sun deities are special in nasu.

Even to the degree that it was brought up, for example, that Amaterasu as sun divinity is more connected to the Universe, when talking about Sefar being specialized against Earth based Divine Spirits/Gods.

The Law/Order of the Universe is brought up, I think, only in Melty. Archetype Earth has this dialogue for R.Shiki:

"The Laws (Principle?) of the Universe and the Laws of the Star are as entities distinct.
Though our paths shall inevitably diverge, and become as matters [mutually] removed —
[You find] even that detestable, hm?
Being that [our] rules shall eventually come to conflict, it would seem that you view it as [amounting to] the same [thing] if a conclusion is here drawn.
Really now, you're quite impatient.
Perhaps it's on account that your aspect is of the Order that encompasses all?"
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>>4819633
The Amaterasu - Universe thing from Extella:

"Tamamo:

Hm, I wonder about that.
Especially as Altera appears to bear an [offensive edge] against the World. This being the case ...
It's perhaps a matter of course that it would likewise be of advantage against the Gods, which are become both as Concepts and manifestations of the World.
... however, if it's indeed the Divine Spirit of the Sun.
Whereas it is the case that [she's] rendered as a Divine Spirit as of the Earth,
[she] is even so a great and powerful spirit that belongs of Cosmos (Universe) without the Earth.
[She] wouldn't of inferior standing to the Wandering Star.
However ..."
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>>4819587
>Horus is the Egyptian sun god.
Your whole premise is based on this, and THIS IS FALSE. Horus is the Egyptian SKY GOD. Ra is the Egyptian Sun God. HSDW is more general divine related, NOT sun related. Every single descendant of a god who got into magic would have this skill, we're just limited on the examples we have.

>Unless I'm retarded
Yes, you are retarded. The sun is not the sky, nigger. For fuck's sake, the sun thing for Medea is retarded. Even if it works, did you not hear her say she doesn't want the power?

And once more: Sakura inherited her magical aptitude from Tokiomi. Tokiomi's magic was Fire and Jewel-related. Sakura's magic has nothing to do with him. How is Medea's case any different?

>>4819616
I would not trust her sisters one bit with a conversation like that. And I'd assume she'd be a different person as Cybele.
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>>4819632
Merlin is immortal, think we can convince him to let Shuten eat him?
Her melting isn't painful right?
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It is likely that since it's R.Shiki and a celestial object, the Sun, that connects to the Universe, that it means the so called "true universe" outside any Order of a local Planet, like from where the Velber come from, which Francesca wants to unveil and probably where Gilgamesh saw future humanity go to.
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>>4819636
If Amaterasu is a Divine Spirit of the Sun, wouldn't that kinda mean that she's weaker as a Beast?
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>>4819633
I mean at least for now my autism hypothesis isn't disproven, and has reason to be correct.

This is also not counting the very basic concept of the moon reflecting the sun, so anything moon based also takes on some solar motifs
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>>4819638
>And I'd assume
Well, assuming doesn't really work out with things like these, I'd feel. It's better to actually follow it up.

>>4819638
Modern magecraft Attributes etc are born from the Origin.
Illustrated by how Kiritsugu's Origin of Severing and Binding manifest as Fire and Earth, fire containing destruction, with the subset of severing, and Earth containing stability, the subset of Binding.

Theory of Magic mats brings up that in thaumaturgy, "Origin" can also refer to magical Elements and Attributes. It is likely that AoG Divinity based magecraft has nothing to do with your inborn attributes, as you don't use your own stuff, you use the God's.

As for the Origin, it can be distinguished with what is usually called as the Origin being one's "Directionality", similarly to how the colourless magical energy of the Grail is coloured by a Wish.

This directionality is stuff like Azaka's Taboo, Araya's Stillness. The Directionality comes from the Origin, but since Origin can also refer to these inborn attributes, the materials makes this distinction possible.

Shirou, for example, has his Directionality as Sword, Element as Sword, and Attribute (stuff like Reinforcement or Aoko's expelling of magical energy) naturally as Sword also.

You can learn more Attributes, but inborn is your talent, as far as I know.

Attributes such as Einzbern Wishgranting or Tohsaka Conversion of Power also seem to be technically learnable Attributes, but its retarded to try without specializing for centuries. What is inherited by the Crest is mostly knowledge that makes this possible.

What is usually translated as Sorcery Trait is more like Thaumaturgical Specialization.

Sakura can't really inherit magical aptitude, and I'll just link the thing instead.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pt-oDtq0ow-ZRLmdPC4tRlw9lJGzVHbvLJ2mQDvcjYc/edit
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>>4819638
>Since Horus was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the Sun and Moon.[12] It became said[by whom?] that the Sun was his right eye and the Moon his left
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>>4819638
We need to Truth up a less threatening lie detector than holding Fragglerock to someone's throat, or just bring Karna.

Elucidation eyeglass a la sherlock?
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>>4819646
The most Sakura can inherit from Tokiomi and Aoi, are circuit count. Aptitude is completely Origin dependant.
Some pay more attention to this, such as Kiritsugu being named after his dual Origin after checking it at birth iirc, or not, as Rin and Sakura weren't.
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>>4819638
>He was the god of the sun, order, kings and the sky. Ra was portrayed as a falcon and shared characteristics with the sky-god Horus. At times the two deities were merged as Ra-Horakhty, "Ra, who is Horus of the Two Horizons"
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Don't we also still need to concept Sakura herself and Tiamat too?
Holy shit.
>"Gee Sakura how come your Onii-chan lets you have THREE concepts?"
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>>4819655
Also Tiamat concept is easy.
Restraint.
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>>4819647
>It became said[by whom?]
By whom nigger? By whom? I could go on the wiki right now and write that Horus was the god of the sky niggers, but that wouldn't make it true without a source. Ra was the Egyptian Sun God. Horus was the Sky God, like Uranus was the Greek Sky God. HSDW is generic divine heritage. Otherwise it would have been High Speed Sun Words, wouldn't it?

>>4819652
>In the New Kingdom, when the god Amun rose to prominence he was fused with Ra into Amun-Ra.
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>>4819646
This document, interestingly, never names the fact that magic crests are made from circuits, as this doesn't seem to be the case? It also says that only external measures such as Support Formal Wear/Mystic Codes can externally increase acting capacity of magical energy, not any internal manner after birth.
Case Files materials only adds

"the reason older families have such an overwhelming advantage can be narrowed down to primarily because of the number of magic circuits, and the existence of these Magic Crests."

which differentiates magic circuit numbers from Magic Crests, and any mention of them being magic circuits has no citations on the wiki whatsoever.

Case Files also had the fact that old Magic Crests were created using bits and pieces of Phantasmal Beasts and species, so I don't think they are circuits?

>>4819657
I do think HSDW are probably not strictly Sun related, but come on. The citation [12] revers to the "contain the Sun and Moon" bit so thats cited. Whats not cited is that the Sun and Moon were his eyes, Autist.
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>>4819656
I think something like Harmony or Coexistence is better, because it would also let her communicate with people, and maybe play on her Life Authority while also letting her not Chaos Tide everything.
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I'm thinking for Sakura herself we give her the concept of Restriction or Forbiddance.
Tiamat gets Restraint.
Restraint, Forbiddance, Nullification.
Gay Baby Jail combo.
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Great time for internet to shit the bed so I'll dump a phone post and head off for the night.

>Horus was later identified by the Greeks with Apollo, and the town of Idfū was called Apollinopolis (“Apollo’s Town”) during the Greco-Roman period.

>Horus, Egyptian Hor, Har, Her, or Heru, in ancient Egyptian religion, a god in the form of a falcon whose right eye was the sun or morning star, representing power and quintessence, and whose left eye was the moon or evening star, representing healing.

>In addition to being characterized by a Horus name, the king was typically depicted with a hovering form of Horus above his head. Sometimes Horus is shown as a winged sun disk

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Horus
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>>4819646
I'm sorry for fucking up the terminology and having you go on all this explanation anon. I know all this stuff. When I said aptitude I meant the circuits. If she had been born to a normie she would have had none, but she did not inherit anything from Tokiomi other than the circuits.

>>4819650
That's the point that I fucked up in making. Sakura inherited Tokiomi's circuits and nothing else. Her magic is completely different to his, just like Medea's magic is completely do her grandpa's. It would be a mistake to use Tokiomi's magic to concept her, just like it would be a mistake to use Helios to concept Medea.

>>4819662
Yes, the sky contains the sun. But it is not the sun and the nigger is getting too caught up in his autism.
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>>4819674
It's fine, just my autism had to go somewhere.

>just like Medea's magic is completely do her grandpa's.
This doesn't have a connection to how Sakura's is different tough.

The difference is that Sakura would use her own Attribute, Element to do magecraft, but as far as we know AoG magic is completely dependant on contracts with a God or Divine Blood. Neither of these are sourced from your Origin like modern magecraft, and do not depend on your "self".

This means, to me, that your own aptitude only matters so far as to how good you are at using magic, not inborn attributes or elements.

For example, if you contract with Zeus, you would do Zeus based magecraft even if as per Directionality or Origin or Attribute or Element, you would be "Earth" or something.

The AoG magus directly influences the Foundation (Authority) rather than using a magic formula engraved into a cultural or religious Foundation, as far as I understand.

The evolution of phenomena intervention in general seems to be moving towards individuality, now that I speak about it.

AoG (Depends 100% on the Foundation-Authority, 0% on your Element etc. Nepotism of Nature)->AoM Modern Occidental (Depends on both your Attribute, Element, Origin and also on the Foundation you are using) to -> AoM Codecasts (Wizard aptitude is inborn, other than that Elements and others seem to have no effect on it, just your skill or genius at programming spiritrons. Internal, skill based)

The comparison would only make sense, imo, if it were "Sakura had made a contract with Divine Spirit Tokiomi, and but she only has Divine Spirit Aoi blood" or something. Tokiomi himself is not the Foundation, but the Blood or Nepotism for Medea is the Foundation itself as the Authority/Person.

Does this make sense?
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>>4819673
>Re, also spelled Ra or Pra, in ancient Egyptian religion, god of the sun and creator god.

>Originally most solar gods had falcon form and were assimilated to Horus. By the 4th dynasty (c. 2575–c. 2465 bce), however, Re had risen to his leading position. Many syncretisms were formed between Re and other gods, producing such names as Re-Harakhty, Amon-Re, Sebek-Re, and Khnum-Re. Aspects of other gods influenced Re himself; his falcon-headed appearance as Re-Harakhty originated through association with Horus. The influence of Re was spread from On (Heliopolis), which was the centre of his worship. From the 4th dynasty, kings held the title “Son of Re,” and “Re” later became part of the throne name they adopted at accession.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Re
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>>4819680
And yet Medea does not do Sun magic. Her known spells are:
>Her main offensive spell is Rain of Light (光弾雨, Kōdan'u?): Machia Hecatia Graea, which is a volley of rapidly fired beams of light each with an A rank power of attack
Rain of Light- light - sun, I concede there is a connection here.

>She also uses Αερο (Aero) (病風, Shippū?), which is a plague wind spell that easily minces part of Shirou's chest as if it were sent through an enormous fan. She also makes use of an electrical attack and Κεραινο (Celaeno) (疾風, Shippū?).
>She also has various support spells like Ατλας (Atlas) (圧迫, Appaku?), which freezes the target in place by altering the pressure of the atmosphere to anchor a region of space.
>She has a constant protection over her, and she can further shield herself with Μαρδοξ (Argos) (盾, Tate?), a protective spell that borrows the concept of the Argos. It is a glass-like barrier that has the same toughness as Berserker's skin.
>She can also use an extremely strong version of Reinforcement on regular humans, greatly strengthening them and allowing them to harm spiritual bodies like Servants.
>She does display Tροψα (Trofa) (空間転移, Kūkan Ten'i?), a Spatial Transportation spell that is an imitation of the True Magic governing teleportation
>She is able to manipulate her figure and her robe in a number of ways. She can control the magical energy in the air to become a dense fog that covers her entire body. This allows her to manipulate her appearance by covering herself in darkness like a mirage. Looking like a shadow that reminds Shirou of Death, she can show herself as she wishes or remain hidden from sight. She can create solid images of herself that will fade away as if she were actually killed upon being attacked. She can control them from a long distance in order to manipulate her Warriors, or she can do it while in battle to create a diversion for her attacks. Upon being skewered by Gilgamesh, it seems she has died, but she is able to hide herself in her floating cape in an attempt to escape. She can extend her cape as wings for flight, which allows her to maximize her destructive potential with the Rain of Light.
>She can create Dragon Tooth Warriors to act as basic soldiers to attack enemy Masters and Servants.

None of those has anything to do with the sun. None of this is what you'd expect a Sun mage to use. Medea's magic is her own. She may have inherited her power due to the sun's blood, but what she does with it is something completely different. Just like Sakura inherited her power due to her parents' blood, but what she does is completely different.
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All this Sun autism.
I just want to make love to our Witch Wife.
In front of her younger self.
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>>4819543
Idk man, if she fucking burns children alive, the screeching femcel personality fits pretty well, no matter how pretty you may think she is.
Medea Lily also isn't crazy, where did you get that from? From the chapter where she's with Jason and being manipulated by a demon god pillar? That's clearly an outlier.
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Though the more I think about it, the more I like something love-related for Medea. Aphrodite's control over Medea's love fucked up her first life. Her own control over her love is what makes her find happiness in the second one. And she did say she didn't want to do this for power. This is what she seeks, love and happiness as a woman after all.
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>>4819689
>>She also uses Αερο (Aero) (病風, Shippū?), which is a plague wind spell that easily minces part of Shirou's chest as if it were sent through an enormous fan. She also makes use of an electrical attack and Κεραινο (Celaeno) (疾風, Shippū?).

"The role of Apollo as god of plague is evident in the invocation of Apollo Smintheus ("mouse Apollo") by Chryses, the Trojan priest of Apollo, with the purpose of sending a plague against the Greeks (the reasoning behind a god of the plague becoming a god of healing is apotropaic, meaning that the god responsible for bringing the plague must be appeased in order to remove the plague)." Apollo=Sun=Plague connection through Greekism

>She also has various support spells like Ατλας (Atlas) (圧迫, Appaku?), which freezes the target in place by altering the pressure of the atmosphere to anchor a region of space.
Sun as gravitational object, exerting pressure.

>She has a constant protection over her, and she can further shield herself with Μαρδοξ (Argos) (盾, Tate?), a protective spell that borrows the concept of the Argos. It is a glass-like barrier that has the same toughness as Berserker's skin.
Says it borrows the concept of the Argo.
Contains the wood of Dodona, which housed a famous oracle cult, also relating to the seeing power of the Sun as demonstrated by Apollo, wiki sources as: Fontenrose, Joseph Eddy (1988). Didyma: Apollo's Oracle, Cult, and Companions. Berkeley and Los Angeles, CA: University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-05845-3.

>She can also use an extremely strong version of Reinforcement on regular humans, greatly strengthening them and allowing them to harm spiritual bodies like Servants.
Its running magical energy through an object, foundationless.

>She does display Tροψα (Trofa) (空間転移, Kūkan Ten'i?), a Spatial Transportation spell that is an imitation of the True Magic governing teleportation
The movement of the sun through the sky+Mystery out the ass as per the original mythologized thinking of the journey. Also refer to some holy men being attributed (Pythagoras) as "Being seen at the same hour in two cities."

Manipulation of herself+Shadow can be light based.

Dragons are connected to Helios as his chariot is drawn by dragons, ergo dragon tooth warriors as from her myth sown from dragon's teeth.

They CAN be explain by Sun shit if you want to desu.
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I am tapped out on Sun/Magic arguments though, so that was my last. I do think it has merit, but my arguing times are over for now.
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>>4819704
Actually, the protection spell could also refer to Argos as in Odysseus' hound or the city.
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>>4819694
Medea killing her children is because she knows she won't be able to protect them from the consequences of what she did.
Her F/SN character is only cruel because she has to be to have a shot at victory.
Her character in Hollow Ataraxia is her true personality.
You FUCKING tertiary.
Also
>establishment of character
>outlier
Eat a bag of dicks retard.
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>>4819704
>She also makes use of an electrical attack and Κεραινο (Celaeno) (疾風, Shippū?).
And solar winds do influence lightning.
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>>4819709
>>4819694
Did she burn them alive or just shank them? I forgot.

>Her F/SN character is only cruel because she has to be to have a shot at victory.
Doesnt that just mean she places enough importance on her victory and love/her own priority as to be capable of cruelty to achieve victory for it?
HA and SN don't contradict each other, I don't see why one is more true, as they are completely different environments?
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>>4819720
She probably smothered them to death in their sleep or something. She burned Jason's wedding.
Also when I say True Personality I mean her personality when she's not fighting a grail war.
The UBW anime shows off some of Medea's true personality when she frees Atrum's captives.
They don't contradict.
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>>4819704
>Apollo
Apollo is not Helios. Medea is not related to him. And this is related his Authority as the God of Plagues, still nothing to do with the Sun.

>Sun as gravitational object
That's not how the Age of Gods worked though, is it? Sun and Gravity had nothing to do with each other. That's how modern physics work. Besides, that's not how the spell works either. It alters the pressure of the atmosphere, which is a different thing from affecting gravity and it is not related to the sun.

>Says it borrows the concept of the Argo.
And so it has nothing to do with the sun.

>Its running magical energy through an object, foundationless.
You do have a point here.

>The movement of the sun through the sky+Mystery out the ass as per the original mythologized thinking of the journey. Also refer to some holy men being attributed (Pythagoras) as "Being seen at the same hour in two cities."
The sun does not teleport anon. If anything, this would be related to Hermes's Authority.

>Manipulation of herself+Shadow can be light based.
The sun banishes shadows. It does not manipulate them

>Dragons are connected to Helios as his chariot is drawn by dragons
Medea is more connected to the Dragon of Colchis, who was the child of a titan and has nothing to do with the sun

>>4819710
>And solar winds do influence lightning.
And yet Helios did not throw around lightning. Zeus did.

>They CAN be explain by Sun shit if you want to desu.
Only if you ignore the obvious explanation, that Medea was a generalist mage whose spells are related to the Authorities of most gods and has no particular affinity with the sun. If you START from the conclusion that everything is sun related, then yes, you can mental gymnastics your way around anything.

>>4819720
I can't find a cause of death even in Greek sources, but she definitely didn't burn them. She wanted Jason's new wife to suffer, not her kids.

>>4819722
Her true personality also shows in her interactions with Shouichirou imho. Their relationship is far more than that of a typical Master-Servant, and she genuinely cares about him.

>>4819705
One last one, because I genuinely think some autism is one of the worst possible concepts we could give her, and the only reason to do it is power autism which she explicitly rejected.
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>>4819709
Yes, yes, everyone whitewashes the Witch of Betrayal. Even Nasu whitewashed Medea to hell in F/SN, because he made her not kill her own children. What I referred to is when she burned the King of Colchis' children (you should know this). Burning children is still burning children though, not to mention everyone else she burned on Jason's wedding. Mass murder on a public event is exactly the type of thing an incel would do, male or female.
Medea is the equivalent of Marvel's Loki in ancient Greek myth, mate. She also tormented Theseus and others.
>Her F/SN character is only cruel because she has to be to have a shot at victory.
>Alignment: Neutral Evil
Right... Oh and did she also betray and shank her Master then almost dematerialize to have a better shot at victory? Or is it because she's the fucking Witch of Betrayal?
>>establishment of character
>>outlier
>Eat a bag of dicks retard.
Yes because you're saying FGO characterizes as having always been crazy, when she's crazy because of love again, because she's with Jason again, and with a fucking demon god pillar. Her FGO profile explictly says she's still pure and innocent, even if a bit weary of other people. She's not one bit crazy in Heian-kyo as Tsuna's Servant, the latest story chapter she appeared in.
>>4819720
Her own children? Never mentioned.
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>>4819728
Some of these points are weird. Sun should manipulate shadows by manipulating light. Otherwise beams are also impossible because they are beam shaped not sun shaped.

AoG physics is a ??? Especially with Suns, as Sun divinity seem more connected to the Universe somehow.

If you ignore all the symbology related to the sun, then sure, nothing to do with it.

Movement across the sky and disappearing around the world at night is related to the idea of spatial translocation if done by a God.

Sun symbology is super diverse if you cared for it.

I am 99% sure Medea HSDW are Hecate based like Circe's tho, as Hecate thaught them medicine or some shit.

Just stop underestimsting how fucked sun symbology is, re:how encompassing it is in general.
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>>4819742
>underestimsting
Posting on a phone has caught up with me.
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>>4819736
>He doesn't know how Alignment works in Fate
Alignment is based on your own perception of yourself.
It's why Sasaki is Neutral Evil, because killing bad.
Or why EMIYA is True Neutral, because counter guardian.

> Oh and did she also betray and shank her Master then almost dematerialize to have a better shot at victory?
You mean Atrum? A man who constantly kept her below himself in terms of magical reserves (so pitifully low), treated her like shit, and was completely callous with human life?
To the point he blenderizes multiple people for a tiny amount of magical energy?
As for Medea Lily, most of the "she's always been crazy" comes from Circe, who knew her from before she got dabbed on by Aphrodite.

Medea killing the wedding was literally a woman having a psychotic breakdown, because she had been manipulated for years for nothing.
Her life had been stolen from her and ruined for nothing.
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So, I found a script of the original Medea play and holy fuck it's so much worse than I remembered. It starts when the father of Jason's new wife exiles Medea before she's done anything, in fear of what she might do just because of her reputation. Jason tells her pretty much that she had it coming. Medea lists everything she did for him, Jason answers by saying "lol, stop babbling woman", "I don't owe anything to you, I owe it all to Eros who hit you with his arrow", "you gained more than you lost with me", and "I'm marrying her for you and our kids, I'll keep you as a concubine and you'll all live in riches. I'm doing you a favor, you fool."

Skipping most of the rest. Medea says goodbye to her kids. Jason's new wife burns alive from a gifted poisoned circlet. The King's flesh tears off his bones when he hugged the corpse of his daughter and got in contact with her poisoned dress. Medea kills her kids with a sword (or dagger, the word is ambiguous) so they can avoid a fate worse than this. Medea leaves on Helios's chariot to bury her kids in Hera's sacred grounds.
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>>4819751
>exiles Medea before she's done anything
exiles her AND her children, despite her pleading.
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>>4819750
It's also why (Actually Mad) Berserker Servants aren't ranked on the objective morality chart of good and bad.
Because they aren't capable of that level of thought.
>>4819751
So basically, Medea did nothing wrong and didn't go full mass shooter?.
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>>4819754
>spoiler
>Jason's new wife burns alive from a gifted poisoned circlet. The King's flesh tears off his bones when he hugged the corpse of his daughter and got in contact with her poisoned dress
Uh, I dunno man.
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>>4819754
Holy fuck yes, she does not deserve her reputation at all. The king had it coming, his daughter had no problem stealing her husband from her, her kids were spared from being hunted for revenge. The play explicitly mentions this. And THAT'S why helios sends his chariots, and Hera curses Jason to die alone and unloved, the gods are at her side and for very good reason!
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>>4819757
Jason's new wife had it coming.
She probably also should've been aware that by agreeing to marry Jason, she was outright going against the will of the gods.
The gods are dicks in Greece, yes.
But going against their will makes you super retarded.
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>>4819760
True. Hubris gets you fucked.
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>>4819754
I think the term you're looking for is "justifiable homicide"

Not really something we'd consider 'good' today, but even so there are cases when you look at abused wife shooting her husband and sympathise with her.

also which of you jokers did pic related?
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>>4819768
The killing is whatever, but poison that burns someone alive and melting the flesh off their bones? Wasn't there just some quick acting poison or something, was my hesitation about.
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>>4819770
Having your flesh melting off your bones is probably a fast death.
Same goes for magical immolation.
Atrum dies basically immediately when he's set on fire.
Also she was pissed off and they deserved it.
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>>4819770
They took everything from her, anon. The King exiled her and her kids with nothing to their name. Jason offered to keep fucking her on the side so they wouldn't starve and presented it as if he was doing her a favor and she was ungrateful to refuse. Horrible way to die, but they had it coming.
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>>4819773
>Having your flesh melting off your bones is probably a fast death.
>Same goes for magical immolation.
Not... exactly. The play goes into some detail about their last moments. It was not a fast way to die for either of them.

They still had it coming.
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>>4819694
Why are you gay?

>>4819751
Her smile must be protected.
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>>4819774
>"Well I don't want you to do anything bad so I'm going to exile you and your children. Now get the fuck out of my country."
I don't know what the king was thinking here, directly antagonizing a ridiculously powerful spellcaster. "I want to die" is my best bet.
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>>4819775
Oh well.
They still deserved it, and she could've made their deaths worse.
The play mentions worse would've been in store for her kids after all, right?
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>>4819778
Why did people antagonize Sami, witches, wizards, etc if they think they could curse them to death? It's the mystery of human stupidity.
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>>4819778
Yes, the king was a fucking moron. He exiled her and then he answered her pleading by saying he wouldn't change his decision, but he'd give them a day to pack their things and say goodbye.

>>4819779
Yes. This is Medea's explicit motivation, and after learning of his new wife's death Jason's first thought is how the fuck is going to save his kids from her relatives revenges. And then he learns he doesn't have to save them.
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>>4819781
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>>4819781
Speaking of shamans and wizards.
https://norwegianscitechnews.com/2018/03/gand-sorcery-really/

Apparently black ball magic bullet Gandr have a valid basis in myth and belief and isn't just to look cool?
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What won?
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>>4819791
Every single vote was to keep talking to our witch wife who literally did nothing wrong.
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>>4819791
>>"Medea, what was the other thing you wanted to mention?"
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>>4819792
Okay.
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>>4819791
>other thing she mentioned
unilateral vote before the conceptual autism debate
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>>4819792
BUT SHE WAS ALWAYS CRAAAAAAZY t. Woman who lures men to her island to transform into animals to eat and goes after married men and is outraged when rejected.
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>>4819796
desu I expect almost all servants to be at least somewhat crazy.
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>>4819796
Not like Medea rejected the statements iirc?
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Speaking of concept autism:

>Agápe
>Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse
>the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead". Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to eros (an affection of a sexual nature).

>Storgē
>refers to natural or instinctual affection, such as the love of a parent towards offspring and vice versa.
>Sometimes the term is used to refer to the love between married partners who are committed and plan to have a long relationship together, particularly as a fundamental relational foundation after initial infatuation

I'm all in on the love concept for Medea now. The above look fairly similar, but I favor Agape. Storge is more something that grows over time as passion diminishes, while Agape is more all-encompassing. I'm having difficult difficulty finding the words to explain it, but Storge is more parental or companionship. And Agape, at least in modern greek, does not exclude sexual attraction, it just includes... more than that.
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>>4819587
>Nito
When are we summoning her. I want my Egyptian pharaoh wife.
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>>4819806
I'm not feeling love concepts for Medea, and they also don't specify control over these, only presence.
Not like control over Love would be that desirable, I feel.
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>>4819812
All of the concepts we applied gave related powers, but not all of them gave control. Liberation Enkidu can only liberate himself, for example.
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>>4819814
What do you think these concepts will do, in your mind? What do they do, what do they give?
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>>4819750
>Alignment is based on your own perception of yourself.
>It's why Sasaki is Neutral Evil, because killing bad.
>Or why EMIYA is True Neutral, because counter guardian.
Where exactly is this stated?
Why would Berserker Lancelot think of himself as Lawful if he's a traitor who went against the law, killed Gawain's siblings to stop Guinevere's execution and WANTS Arthur to punish him?
Why wouldn't Diarmuid think of himself as Evil? He cucked his king. Surely Atalanta is Evil only because she realized she broke her vows (not really but let's go with that), then what about Diarmuid?
Why would only Artoria Alter think of herself as Evil and not regular? She wanted to wish for the Grail to remove her existence as King because she thinks she was a mistake. Her mistakes caused civil unrest and then the downfall of the kingdom.
Why would Cursed Arm Hassan or Gilles think of themselves as Evil? Killing bad? They're doing it in the name of their God.
Getting into FGO examples, why would Goetia, Kama or Ivan and many others think of themselves as Evil? They only want to make the world a better place.

>Medea killing the wedding was literally a woman having a psychotic breakdown, because she had been manipulated for years for nothing.
>Her life had been stolen from her and ruined for nothing.
Yeah yeah and incels think society wronged them for years and have mental problems, who cares? She still burned dozens of alive, she's a femcel.
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>>4819818
As someone who proposed them I'd expect them to give her improved fortitude and further situational boosts when engaged alongside someone she cares about, most importantly Shinji and Alitheia.

I believe it would give her resilience or outright immunity to hostile attacks at her psyche or any status effects that would turn her against her allies.

I'd expect it would also give her enhanced perception when it comes to her allies, ability to discern if there's something wrong with them, as long as they did not actively try to hide something from her.

It would also make her the best cook in our faction.
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>>4819818
I imagine something similar to Medusa's skill that lets her overcome mind-affecting attacks by remembering the four people she loves the most. And similar to the blessing of the Dragon Queen with witch Aletheia buffed her. I imagine Medea getting more powerful herself for as long as she has that love, and while she fights to protect her new family. Like a mother lion become more fierce in order to never lose again what she has gained.

I also imagine it will make her happy that she now genuinely has what was false in her first life, and that she will always have it. The reason she asked for a concept wasn't power, after all, but as a sign of love.
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I'll post it again until you tell me why it's retarded

>Aletheia
>Aletheia is variously translated as "unclosedness", "unconcealedness", "disclosure" or "truth".
>The literal meaning of the word ἀ–λήθεια is "the state of not being hidden; the state of being evident."
>It also means factuality or reality.[1]
>It is the opposite of lethe, which literally means "oblivion", "forgetfulness", or "concealment"
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>>4819823
Fate/side material: Fate Encyclopedia says:

"In Fate/stay night, all of the Servants’ alignments can be viewed on their respective status screens. The first part indicates the principles they consider important, and the second part indicates personality.
Below is a complete list of alignments featured in the game, for comparison purposes.

Saber Lawful Good
Lancer Lawful Neutral
Archer True Neutral
Rider Chaotic Good
Caster Neutral Evil
Berserker Chaotic Insane
Assassin Lawful Evil
Kojirou Neutral Evil
Gilgamesh Chaotic Good
Saber Alter Lawful Evil

While a difference in personality generally won’t be too much of a problem, a difference in principles will inevitably lead to friction.
Saber and Gil would be a good example of that. "

And the GO profile has this Bond 1 line:

"No matter who may be, one is evil from the moment he cuts down a person."
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>>4819833
Do you know what the Truth of this world is, anon?
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>>4819830
I don't like love as a concept application still. It feels weird, even if we disregard power stuff.
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>>4819823
>Why would Berserker Lancelot think of himself as Lawful
He's not doing much thinking at all, for one.
He's a Berserker.
And if that's enough for why he's still lawful, he was still a knight, bound to a Code of Chivalry.
>Why wouldn't Diarmuid think of himself as Evil
He thinks of himself as Neutral, and not Good, despite morally being Good. Just because you made a fuck-up, you don't automatically need to consider yourself evil for it. Some people would thogh.
>Artoria Alter
Saber Alter being Evil is a grail mud meme holdover from F/SN even after they changed the shit out of her character.
Artoria Alter Lancer is still Lawful Good
Cursed Arm knows that the work of an Assassin is evil. Killing is evil. But it is a neccessary evil.
Gilles straight up knows he's doing evil and is doing it to prove God or some shit.

So nah. Your D&D alignment bullshit can go and stay go.

> She still burned dozens of alive, she's a femcel.
She killed the two targets of her revenge.
That's it.
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>>4819836
truth, disclosure, unconcealing, not Truth
what is Asha?
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>>4819823
>Goetia, Kama or Ivan and many others think of themselves as Evil?

Maybe has to do with how Nasu defines Anti-Heroes.
Side materials again.
"Anti-Heroes [Others]
People who are hated, yet the result of their atrocities ultimately saved others. They are the ones who define "good" with "evil".
Although they are the targets of curses, they are still worshiped as messiahs.
They are the anti-heroes.
However, true anti-heroes do not exist.
Ultimately they only reach the level of "individuals who did good while carrying out evil" (stopping short of being true anti-hero)."
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>>4819837
Why? Because I think at this point we're coming to the dilemma of powergaming vs love, and she firmly rejected power.

>>4819840
Not in general anon. In this world. We are Truth. We look upon the falsehoods of reality. And the Truth is that this reality was made by a nip hack and his artist friend for weebs all over the world to jerk off to. Do you really want to expose someone else to that Truth?
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>>4819845
Concepting Love feels like a mindfuck to be honest. As it is an absolute ordination, that applies on the conceptual level.
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And regarding Medea and Love: She has Item Creation that she hadn't had the chance to use, and I'm sure concepting her with love would make those items stronger for those she loves. And her Territory Creation skill is already pretty damn good, and will only get better when applied to protecting her family's home.
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>>4819845
>Not in general anon.
If Asha didn't show them our Truth, Alitheia won't either. Don't be obtuse.
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>>4819845
Would you prefer to obscure the truth, to conceal it? Lethe?

>this reality was made by a nip hack
Says who? We don't know that, we haven't seen any proof of that.
We only know that Nasu described something almost identical to this reality.
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>>4819858
Also, it's obviously not the same, since canon Outer Gods and God are nowhere near how they are here.
So . . . ?
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>>4819833
An interesting idea to be sure. Her only connection to the concept would be her homeland and us, although if she takes this as sign of connection to us she might be receptive to it. I have no idea what effect it would have though. If it linked to our own Truth, it could elevate her magic to status of our world editation...

I rather don't think she would zero sum from this like Shirou did in his bad end but I'm not sure we can rule it out.

>>4819853
Oooh you're right. Those promise a lot of synergy with the concept.

>>4819852
This can be said for literally any concept we bestow though. Even though we have so far gone out of our way to find concepts that are compatible.
I'd say this one applies in the case of love, too, since she asks for it as a proof of our bond.
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>>4819852
I concede this is a valid cause for concern, and I don't have a good counterargument at the moment. The Aphrodite connection was my original objection to the concept. I just now believe (and Hope) this will not mindfuck her.

>>4819856
>Asha (/ˈʌʃə/; also arta /ˈɑːrtə/; Avestan:𐬀𐬴𐬀 aṣ̌a/arta) is a Zoroastrian concept with a complex and highly nuanced range of meaning. It is commonly summarized in accord with its contextual implications of 'truth' and 'right(eousness)', 'order' and 'right working'.[1][2] For other connotations, see meaning below
Asha means more than just Truth. Aletheia is a direct translation of the word.

>>4819858
Let's start telling people that we know what we know because we played an h-game once. See how it goes.
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>>4819864
Don't be obtuse anon. Shinji knows about Nasu, memes, dragongirl doujin, stuff like that. Let's not pretend that we don't know the Truth.
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>>4819866
>Let's start telling people that we know what we know because we played an h-game once. See how it goes.
Medusa handled it like a champ desu. But yeah OP already established that's a bad idea.
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And I might object to Aletheia, but I'd honestly prefer it to anything sun related. At least it is connected to her new family.
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>>4819866
>Asha means more than just Truth. Aletheia is a direct translation of the word.
But Asha also contains Truth. I would not say Dharma is more or less "Truth-content" than Asha or Alitheia. If you do think so, I can't agree, otherwise we can't use Logos either because christian stuff says its the word of God and thats super high tier.
And we can't use mind because neoplatonists take it as nearly the ultimate reality.

If you try to finagle everything into the worst interpretation, everything has connotations you won't like.
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>>4819868
>Shinji knows X
> Y shows some features of X, but also some features that differ.
>Therefore, X is the only absolute truth with no deviation whatsoever, ignore where X differs from Y.

???
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>>4819879
Are you fucking with me anon? Or do you honestly believe that this world is NOT based on the Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime h vns and the universe they spawned?
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>>4819879
As the saying goes.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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>>4819874
Well then, I'll ask the same question that other anon asked about love. What do you expect Aletheia to do for her?
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>>4819881
They mostly seem to be based on them, and share an enormous amount of features, but they are clearly not one to one, so the "truth" of "some writers made it" is just as likely to be true as "some writers dreamed of a reality and used it as a basis for his works."

>>4819882
Common sense fucked off the moment we got into this situation of being isekai'd.
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Can’t we just go for mystery all this sun autism and love autism is just getting us nowhere.
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>>4819883
Alitheia is basically the opposite of Mystery, in that its unclosing, truth, etc instead of self-finishing, closed, unknown.
My best hope is that this is the path to independent magic from Foundations/Mystery.

As for her personality, ideally this would be the part where instead of closed off, mysterious, self-containing, she starts to open up again after betrayals and shit life. The opening of her shell and revealing of her inner self, along with truthfulness against treachery in general.
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>>4819889
But what if it was 1-1 in the fictional world Isekai Shinji originated from?
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>>4819890
Magic or Mystery is fine with me if nothing else. Definitely not love though.
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>>4819889
The question is, would we retain our abilities if we accepted that our Truth might not be absolute?
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>>4819893
Then the likelihood goes way up. At that point it depends on whether you want to continue thinking its not created, which is possibly but absurdly unlikely, or embrace that its created which branches into->Its not real and nothing is real or ->Every story created, thought or spoken is real.

The problem is that its also basically unprovable with all the shit around, as you can't prove your own perceptions, that outside forces aren't acting on your senses and experiences, etc. Being Isekai'd just turns that up to 999.

It being a "isekai'd into a story where only I am real" is one of the tamer beliefs possible.
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>>4819900
We either lose our powers, or we achieve some kind of retarded True Magic-esque thing, as we realize there is a Mystery, an unknown and maybe unknowable beyond the Root, God and Azathoth's Dream, beyond the higher-world.
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>>4819889
>"truth" of "some writers made it" is just as likely to be true as "some writers dreamed of a reality and used it as a basis for his works."
Now that's some wonderful mental gymnastics. We might even have dreamed of the writers ourselves, and Nasu never existed for real!

>>4819891
So, basically power and a flip on her personality. And you were worried about brainwashing?

>>4819901
>>4819902
But anon, our reality marble and all our powers are based on the fact we believe the world to not be real. This is one of the bases of the quest, and has been from the beginning. We shouldn't start deluding ourselves ow.
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>>4819900
Shinji has already toyed with the idea that he is just a fictional being from a layer of fiction above this one, of an endless layer of fictional multiverses stacked upon one another.
It's a thing in comics to tend to include "Character from THE REAL WORLD".
Superboy Prime being the Prime example, who has the strength to retcon events just by punching hard.
And the "Real World" got destroyed in Crisis on Infinite Earths so ????
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I don’t know why we are so worried about Truth our daughter also has truth powers and she doesn’t think the entire world was created by nasu.
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>>4819904
>believe the world to not be real
Yes, that's what we believe. That's the extent thats provable.

>So, basically power and a flip on her personality. And you were worried about brainwashing?
Same amount of brainwashing. I'd rather just choose magic, but i'd 100% choose Alitheia over Love.
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>>4819907
Superboy Prime was only capable of doing that by punching the source wall
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>>4819911
Concepting goes beyond merely having truth powers, anon.
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>>4819913
Thought Robot Superman just had "Plot Armor: The Ability", because "Superman always wins" was weaponized in universe afaik.
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>>4819913
Nah, he got much much stronger later on.
In his final battle against Batkek, who had the power of DC Dr. Manhattan, and all the energy from all the Crisis that ever occured on his side and defeated the creator of the Multiverse, he stalemated him.
He also started to do his retcon punches things in this fight, before punching Batkek so hard he reverse isekai'd himself.
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>>4819912
>I believe this world is not real
>I believe this because I have memories of another world, where this world was merely a fictional one, created by two nip weebs
>But I am not sure that my memories are entirely real, and so I am not sure that that this world was really created by the two nip weebs
>But I still believe this world is not real.

Also, same amount of brainwashing and yet you'd still prefer it? I literally cannot understand your thought process at all.
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>>4819923
This also means that Superboy Prime scales above Thought Robot Superman because I'm pretty sure that Batkek scaled above Mandrakk too.
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It would be cool if our witch wife had truth powers but if the cost is that she knows the world is fake let's not.
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>>4819920
Thought Robot was high end bullshit to defeat a Monitor who're the closest things to Gods in DC

>>4819923
he's such a stupid character that he ends up being based
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>>4819923
What the fuck is this.
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>>4819930
The best comic DC has released for like a decade.
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>>4819931
This page is one of the reasons I like Prime a lot.
Remind you of anything?
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>>4819934
I need a name for this run. How do I find it?
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>>4819934
Its so fucking funny how Superboy Prime hates The Batman Who Laughs because his shtick is overplayed
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>>4819937
He didn't get a run, unfortunately.
It's a one-off in Dark Nights: Death Metal called The Secret Orogin
Death Metal is a FUCKING GARBAGE EVENT with stuff like the Penguin turning into a giant bird for no reason and Two Multiversal beings smashing planets into each others faces like custard pies, but this comic stands out among the garbage and also serves as a perfect stopping point too.
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>>4819944
>Orogin
Origin holy shit.
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>>4819944
>Dark Nights: Death Metal: The Secret Origin
Even the title is fun!
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>>4819950
DC had a hard on for EVIL BATMAN for a while, and this shit show was the culmination of all that.
Here's a collection of the evil Batmen.
All of them are Batman mentally, but of course, the strongest is "Batman if he Joker."
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>>4819955
Don't forget, the strongest weapon of the strongest evil batman is evil superman.
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>>4819960
Oh yeah, he summoned a bunch of Evil Superman right before Prime started beating the fuck out of him.
I remember Prime also had the opportunity to just steal all of Batkek's power but just peaces out and goes home with dog.
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>>4819955
Doomsday batman? How does that work
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>>4819963
The story goes, basically.
Superman goes evil for no reason and starts killing everyone.
Batman injects himself with Doomsday powers and kills Superman before killing everyone else, or something?
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>>4819963
he infected himself the a Doomsday Virus cause Superman went evil for some reason and started killing everyone
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>>4819966
Red Death is my favorite. The Bat Family gets killed and Bruce fucking snaps, ties Barry to the front of the Batmobile and drives into the Speed Force to get GOES FAST powers so he can time travel and save them.
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>>4819976
>ties Barry to the front of the Batmobile and drives into the Speed Force to get GOES FAST powers so he can time travel and save them.
my fucking sides
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I would ask if the vote is called but I don’t even know what the vote is about.
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>>4819955
Is the Question still relevant in this comics? I loved that dude in Justice League Unlimited.
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>>4820017
The Question was never relevant and never consistent, JLU just portrayed him as Rorschach but good and not a fucking loser
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"Medea... what was the other thing you wanted to mention?" You're curious as to what else the woman might have wanted to say to you, so you decide to ask. It's not to do with the Kaleidostar, after all, so what could she have wanted to talk to you about? You're intrigued enough to push it, just a little.

"Oh, that? It's... It's nothing. It's something I need to ask you in private, after all, and I feel that now simply isn't the moment for it anymore." Medea looks over at her younger self, who is smirking at her older self for some reason. "No, it will have to wait until later tonight, when we're alone." Medea looks away from you, busying herself with some sort of unfinished potion on the table. You aren't entirely sure what it is she's up to with the potion, but it does look to be somewhat important.

"Nothing, is it~?" Suddenly the younger Medea intrudes on the conversation. "You're sure you don't want to say anything to your Master here? You don't want to ask him to do anything~?" The younger girl starts to tease her older self for some reason. "Absolutely certain~?" The girl keeps teasing her older self about something, and Medea turns to look at herself.

"I'd suggest you left this matter to me and my Master, Lily." Medea warns her young doppelganger, seeming to favor the name 'Lily' as a way to refer to her younger version. Makes more sense than just calling herself by her own name. "It's not something you should involve yourself in." There's a cold edge to Medea's voice, for as much as she was supportive to her younger self a moment ago, there seems to have been something of a shift in the atmosphere in the room.

"Oh, but why? Are you the only version of us who's allowed to be near him? That's a little bit selfish, don't you think? It's pretty obvious that he's something special, and even you want him to use that magic of his on you!" Medea Lily starts circling around you, as if examining you. "His magic, it did something as ridiculous as turning the Argo into a living girl! Forget what Castor said, even the gods themselves would've struggled to achieve such a thing! Animating a statue in the form of a woman into a woman? Sure, that's something that Aphrodite could've done, but she needed to inject a portion of her authority into the statue to do so!" You don't really know what Medea Lily is referring to, you might need to read up on Greek Myth... "but he... he just used his abilities to touch the boat for ten seconds before it not only became a living breathing girl, but... He didn't lose anything in doing so! He just... he just did it!" Is it really that impressive? You granted Mordred the concept of Time earlier today, and that was way more difficult to do. Mordred still has a way to go before she can be considered the true master of Time though.
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>>4819907
>the idea that he is just a fictional being from a layer of fiction above this one
He is. He is a fictional being in a quest called Fate/Paradox Reincarnator, ran by WhatIsAQM !!qOrOtaZtpH5, on the website 4chan, on the internet, in the physical world that we players and posters participating in this quest reside in, as well as the world where Kinoko Nasu and Takashi Takeuchi exist in as human beings.
If only you knew how deep the rabbit hole goes, you'd never be able to live the same again. But that's /x/ shit and not /qst/ shi.
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"So you're interested in him only because of his talents?" Medea looks at Medea Lily with a raised eyebrow. "Yes, it's true that he is freely capable of feats of power greater than even the power the gods were capable of wielding in our time if he is given the opportunity, but... that isn't what defines him as a person." Medea smiles gently at you.

"If... that's what you say..." The young girl, inexperienced in the matters of love, seems to accept her older self's advice once again, but she doesn't look entirely convinced. "Then I guess the only recourse is to have Shinji here give me a tour of his home! I want to get to know him a little better! You don't have a problem with that, do you?" The girl asks her older self innocently, earning a frown from the more mature woman. The childish attitude of Medea Lily clearly grating on Medea's nerves, yet at the same time, Medea clearly also doesn't want to hurt her younger self or her feelings. After all, she ought to understand just what Lily is currently going through, and a distraction could be good for her...

>"That sounds like a good idea, Lily. Medea, you don't mind, do you?"
>"Why don't we both walk together?"
>"I'm afraid that I won't be able to walk you around, I've got something else I need to be getting on with." (What?)
>"I'd rather you left the room, so Medea and I could speak in private, Lily."
>Write-in...
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>>4820012
Seriously. Most of the dark multiverse shit is just horribly written max edge. But some of it busts through the otherside and is pretty fun.
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>>4820040
>>"I'd rather you left the room, so Medea and I could speak in private, Lily."
>>"I'll give you a tour after I'm done talking to Medea I promise"
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>>4820038
>implying you're real
>implying I'm real
>implying this isn't just Azathoth's dream

>>4820037
>Medea gets NTRd by her younger version
Oh no...
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So, is Alcides currently available? Let's make him and Lily a thing so she doesn't drive her older self into a freakout.
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>>4820047
>Implying Azathoth is real
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>>4820040
>>4820044
+1
Lily can just fuck off for now.

>>4820041
Oh god, this is so stupid.
Why does that even work?
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>>4820051
Alcides probably isn't super into romance after all those things that happened to him
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>>4820044
+1, I don't like past wife trying to cuck present wife
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>>4820040
Hmm... we did kinda offer to take her along specifically so she can talk to herself a bit. It would feel wrong to dump her right away. On the other hand...

>"Lily, we're going to be preparing the feast for tonight's dinner soon. You can get to know some of us in the kitchen, or you can hang out with our other allies. But first I'd like to discuss things with Medea."
We need to come up with a term for wifedea though.
>"Chiyome, would you mind introducing Lily to Sakura and the others?"
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>>4820051
Pair her up with castor instead dude needs to get laid since he's always angry.
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>>4820040
Medea threesone with herself. Hot
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>>4820040
>"I'd rather you left the room, so Medea and I could speak in private, Lily."
>"I'll give you a tour after I'm done talking to Medea I promise"
>Ask Medea how should we treat Lily once we're alone.

>>4820073
dont like him desu
what about that greek doctor character?
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>>4820040

>"That sounds like a good idea, Lily. Medea, you don't mind, do you?"
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>>4820044
+1, spend time with the witch.
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>>4820077
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius
He's a married man with a wife and several kids. I think he'd be a good person for Shinji to talk to even outside of healer autism
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>>4820077
Castor is a flat out tsundere, he will warm out eventually.
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Calling in 20.
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>>4820040
>>4820071
Support. Don't promise tour
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>>4820040
>>4820071
Support.
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>>4820040
>>4820071
+1
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>>4820040
Support >>4820071
Yeah, I see no reason at all to promise Lily that tour. Cooking will be distraction enough, we have better things to do with our time.
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>>4820040
change from >>4820068 to >>4820071 why not
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>>4820071
Chiyome will take one for the team, best servant
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You guys are aware that Chiyome isn't in the room right now?
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>>4820125
i mean, ik but apparently no one else did
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>>4820125
I kinda though she’s around. Shame on me for not checking, although she’s probably easiest to contact, alongside Shuten...

Change to
>Mentally ask Chiyome to introduce Lily to others
?
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>>4820125
You are aware she is our Servant and we can mentally contact her, right?
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>>4820136
I assumed this went without saying anon. She's not around, we're asking her to do something, so we're using the only means of communication we have.
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>>4820125
Her physical presence isn't required.
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>>4820137
I am, and that's what I'll have you do.
But the prompt is phrased with quotation marks.
Indicating that you'd just physically say that to a girl who wasn't present.
It was just funny for me.
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>>4820147
Dunno, I see the quotation marks as saying something in the most appropriate way, not necessarily physically speaking out loud.
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>>4820147
Just have us say that, Lily looks at us like we're crazy, and then Chiyome walks in.
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We still kinda owe the ninja girl a talk to ensure she doesn’t treat her life too cheaply.
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>>4820161
We do, yes.
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>>4820192
the weak should fear the strong
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>>4820192
>>4820225
Time Sovereign Mordred would reverse this scenario, by the way.
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>>4820226
I want you to write that
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>>4820226
Time sovereign Mordred would make herself the big booba to MATCH
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>>4820226
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>>4820192
>>4820226
I prefer mordred as she is.
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>>4820226
She can lolify/shotify others?
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>>4820245
When she gets more experience with her power, yes.
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>>4820246
>>4820245
Carnival Phantasm where she fucks up and turns Shinji into a shota
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>>4820262
>fucks up
>implying she isnt doing it because she wanted to
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>>4820268
>we suggest her reclaiming her childhood by deaging herself to her actual age
>"alright, advisor, but you're coming with!"

>adventures of the child king and her best friend
>we retroactively become her childhood friend
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>>4820273
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>>4820278
If we're having dinner with everyone, does that include Taiga and her servant? Shirou still hasn't talked to us about her.
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>>4820262
>Shinji
You mean everyone, mainly both mothers
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"Lily, we're going to be preparing the feast for tonight's dinner soon. You can get to know some of us in the kitchen, or you can hang out with our other allies. But first I'd like to discuss things with Medea." You turn down Lily's request for a tour of your house. While under normal circumstances, you wouldn't have had a problem with giving Lily a tour, you don't want to make Medea jealous... Of herself. Besides, it's quite obvious that whatever Medea wanted to talk about, she wanted to talk about in private. So much so that she doesn't even want her younger self present. Very private indeed, you suppose.

"Aww..." Lily sounds disappointed when you turn down her request. "I really did want to spend more time with you, you know. You were the one who ordered your Servant to break my curse, after all, so I'm going to hold you responsible for that." Lily looks you in the eyes, melancholy present in her own, and a shiver almost runs down your spine. The girl is innocent, so you don't want to hurt her feelings all too much, but there's something else there too. The fact still remains that even if she isn't capable of drawing the same conclusions as her elder self from her memories, she does still have those memories. Lily seems to notice the chilling expression on her elder self's face before she laughs. "Oh don't be like that, me. I'm just teasing you." The girl giggles a little as Medea looks taken aback. "Really, even if I find your Master interesting, not all love needs to be romantic." She declares with no doubt. It's nice to see Medea Lily at least making an attempt to get along with her older self.

"You mean...?" Medea doesn't seem to be quite understand the decision that her younger counterpart has made here. Already, it looks like the two girls are starting to become distinct entities. Of course, the youthful Medea who has no curse and never lived through her cursed life would be a separate existence from the Medea who exists naturally, so it's only natural for the two of them to suddenly start developing differences in personality.

"Of course I do. Whatever could I hope to gain from trying to steal the man you've chosen to love away from you?" Medea Lily smiles happily at her older self, who looks a little relieved by the girl apparently deciding that she shouldn't pursue you romantically. You're glad, Medea Lily is mentally only around thirteen or fourteen years old, after all. The fact that she has the memories of her older self isn't really relevant, considering she's not actually ever lived through those memories. It's simply like she read a highly detailed biography of her own life... Or something. "That would make me no better than that bitch Creusa." Lily says the name of the woman Medea murdered with disdain, as if it were poison to her lips. Seems that even for Lily who never met Creusa, the hatred for the woman runs deep.
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Chiyome should get on well with lily, mutually fucked by a curse and since freed.


Lily is going to contribute something very interesting to the meal seeing as you're sending her to go cook
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"Well... Actually..." You raise your hand feebly to try to clarify things, but you decide against it. Medea Lily can assume whatever she wants for now, it makes things simpler, and you want to speak with Medea in private anyway. "No, never mind. I'm glad that you're understanding, Lily... For now though, I'll have Chiyome introduce you properly to everyone else." You can always give Lily a tour of your home at a later point. 'Chiyome, could you come to me?' You mentally contact your Servant, and after about twelve seconds, the girl appears at your side, emerging from spiritual form.

"My lord. What is it you wish of me?" The girl bows respectfully to you after she appears from spiritual form. Ever the loyal Servant, Chiyome. She'd follow you to hell and back without an ounce of regret. This girl values loyalty above all else, and would never betray you. Her level of loyalty is honestly a little unsettling, but you suppose that it's just the way that she is. Chiyome is the sort of girl who would gladly kill herself even for a normal Master, never mind one who destroyed the irremovable curse placed upon her bloodline in an act that extended onto the Throne of Heroes itself. Honestly, the level of loyalty that you earned from Chiyome for such an action effectively guarantees eternal loyalty. To the point where you could likely kill Chiyome yourself and the girl would still be loyal to you. Of course, that was just an example, you'd never even think of harming a hair on the girl's head. She doesn't deserve anything like that. In fact, if anything, you'd like her to start treating her life with more value.

"I just want you to take Medea Lily here and introduce her to the others, thank you, Chiyome." You quickly give the girl her orders, Chiyome is the sort of person who lives to be commanded. The girl really needs to start living her life for herself at some point...

The ninja girl nods, and quickly leads Lily out of the room, leaving you and Medea alone at last. "Now, we're in private. We can talk." You smile at the woman. "What exactly were you so worried about speaking about in front of Lily?"

"I know what happened between you and Sakura."

"Ah." You feel a nervous sweat begin to build up. "W-well, it was a spur of the moment thing you... you understand." You don't know where she's going with this.
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"Oh, I'm not angry at all. Not in the slightest." Medea looks you in the eyes. "I understand that you've got things to be getting on with right now, but tonight, keep your bedroom door locked, I've already taken the liberty of warding your room's boundaries to reject the entrance of Servants in their spiritual form. That's all I'm going to say." That's... devilishly clever. As expected of Medea! Though you aren't really sure how she's meant to get in, if... Oh right. She can teleport, can't she? As expected of Medea, she's covered her bases quite well. If she wanted to, you'd have no problem giving her what she seems to want right now, but... Well, you are in fact busy, and you don't want to be late to start cooking with Sakura. If she were truly forceful and demanded it, you would quickly give in, but that's just not really Medea's personality or style.

"I... I'll do that then, Medea." The woman is acting quite forceful regardless though, seems like Sakura drawing first blood, so to speak, has caused her to accelerate whatever she might've originally been planning. Ah well. It's mostly by coincidence that you ended up sleeping with Sakura first. You doubt that she was expecting things to turn out that way either. "I should probably..."

>"...Be going now, I need to see Sakura and start helping her."
>"...See if my clothing order has come through yet. Follow me."
>"...Check on the kids and Atalanta, I need to make sure she's not going to hyperventilate or something."
>"...Go see Illya, she's probably finished up with her reunion now, and I want to see Kiritsugu too."
>Write-in...
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>>4820292
Do you want to call her?
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he's dodging the megucastar option yet again
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>>4820292
We're cooking with him, we'll ask him and have her teleported if she's not here already.

>>4820295
She still has an unknown Noble Phantasm

>keep your bedroom door locked
See anons? We're all going to make it.

>It's mostly by coincidence that you ended up sleeping with Sakura first
And what a happy coincidence it was!
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>>4820300
>Make a quick phonecall to certain people. You need more liquor delivered for tonight.
>Call Miyako. Ask her how she's been, invite her to the feast, tell her the city is not safe, offer her a teleport to the mansion.
>Call Waver again. Invite him to the feast, tell him the city is not safe, offer him and his group a teleport to the mansion.
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>>4820300
>by the way, did anything turn up regarding my peculiar mystic code?
>call waver, call taiga, monke-chan, have them come over for dinner, offering teleports
>call the "contacts" for as much booze as they can manage for tonight, mix of beer through to high end spirits.

>>4820308
>unknown :^)))
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Do we have anything to take care before the food? Because once we start with the feast arc events might be picking up. And we're still planning to watch the holy grail after dinner right?

Do we want to speak to someone before heading to kitchen?
Illya seems to be on the table, metaphorically speaking, we still haven't talked to Nero and she might appreciate being involved in the preparation, and not sure what OP has planned with the clothes...
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Should we go check on Medusa? Can she cook? We should at least ask Touko if she can figure out how to ward off that charm curse
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>>4820246
Is it temporary or permanent?
Eternal youth for everyone?
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>>4820323
oh yeah, good catch. This needs to be done before the dinner at all costs if at all possible.
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>>4820320
She already told us she hasn't found Amethyst. Otherwise, I guess great minds think alike

>>4820322
Gather our allies, have Touko fix Medusa's sisters are the only ones I consider critical.
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>>4820300
Go see Illya, she's probably finished up with her reunion now, and I want to see Kiritsugu too

She needs love too
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>>4820323
blood soup ptsd

>>4820322
clothes after phonecalls, if a group of mythological heroes can't manage a feast with mummy Tiamat pulling the strings they're all jobbing retard AI npcs

We'll see Ilya at dinner, Nero would probably be trying on clothes and putting herself in the spotlight

>>4820333
whenst?
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>>4820305
I'd really like to. People forget her at every turn, its quite annoying.
>>4820300
>>4820314
Supporting then.
After this its cooking right? With Shirou, Archer and Sakura?
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>Go ask Touko if she can do you a favor and seal off Stheno and Euryale's charm
>Go see Medusa in the attic
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>>4820325
It will be for as long as Mordred wants it to be when she figures out that aspect of Time.
When she gets enough experience with time she can de-age people out of existence.
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>>4820344
forgot to ask if this is ok or if we should add more
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>>4820348
infantalism oyakidon age_difference first_time
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>>4818548
>"Now, I believe that gives me a good excuse to speak to my Master about something..." You look at Medea in surprise. "It's actually something unrelated to what I wanted to talk about before you left to the Argo, and it's not about your Kaleidostar either, which is still missing...

>>4820339
Read, nigga, read

>>4820342
Phonecalls, Medusa, cooking, yes.
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>>4820344
smart

>>4820300
changing >>4820320

to

>call waver, call taiga, monke-chan, have them come over for dinner, offering teleports
>call the "contacts" for as much booze as they can manage for tonight, mix of beer through to high end spirits.
>go find Touko to seal the Gorgon sisters charm so they can attend tonight's festivities without half the cast trying to rape them
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>>4820348
Mordred will be the forever-/ss/ option
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>>4820358
>>4820300
supporting this
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>>4820357
confusian
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>>4820300
Switch >>4820314 to >>4820358
Might as well do everything in one go instead of voting for Medusa again next time.
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>>4820366
anon adhd means you do it now or you do it never
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>>4820300
>>4820358
Support
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>>4820372
I already switched, you don't have to tell me. I just figured it would be too big of an update for WhatIs to do everything at once.
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>>4820358
+1
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>>4820372
Though I think anon adhd has been getting better lately. Or am I just getting more optimistic?
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1 letter ID off DONTE

HOPECHADS this is Fate
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>>4820300
Changing from >>4820342
to >>4820358

I wonder how many posts are just people changing votes.
To think there are QM's that don't allow changing votes.
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>>4820390
if you want to write suffering porn it's better, but it will corrode your playerbase over time as they stop having fun
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>>4820300
Let’s do this >>4820358
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>>4820387
See? Another reason we should be hopeful.

>>4820390
>>4820393
Now why the fuck would anyone want to do that?
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>>4820400
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>>4820387
Wait and hope until tommorow. Then we'll see about that summon circle.
>>4820405
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>>4820305
Yes, i'm curious about her servant and i'm worried about her safety.

>>4820358
>>4820300
+1

>>4820410
>>4820405
the funny thing is, at least in madoka, it was supposed to have a good ending, but someone else give him the idea of the cliffhanger of the third movie.
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>>4820390
>To think there are QM's that don't allow changing votes.
Who the fuck does that? Thats very retarded and fucking sucks for any planning.
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>>4820412
>i'm worried about her safety.
We had Shirou speak to her yesterday. She was fine then, or he'd have told us something. She's fine today too, no one's targeting her.
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>>4820417
still worried
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>>4820422
It'll all be fine, fren. We're all gonna make it. Have Hope.
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>>4820415
Don't remember off the top of my head, but at least one here, and several in SV and QQ.
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So people think her servant is Sasaki? I hope it isn't. I want it to be someone new.
Anyway, she also doesn't know about Kiritsugu. So maybe warn her? Or wait to surprise her?
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>>4820358
>>4820300
Support and this won if youre calling
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>>4820434
It's either Sasaki or someone else from the set of 7 that Merlin summoned. Waver, Gray, Reines, Luvia, Kairi, Flat and Merlin are 7. So either Merlin took the 7th spot, or he picked Taiga because she's our friend.

The only other Servant with an unknown Master is 2nd Assassin, who is probably Cain. I could see him murdering his Master immediately after being summoned and somehow ending up Taiga's Servant, but it's more of a stretch.

There's no open space for someone completely unknown, unless there's another set of 7 we know nothing about.
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Oh man, got distracted calling in... 5?
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OK this is important.
Who do you want to call first?
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>>4820500
you have me fucking spooked now QM holy fuck
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>>4820503
Shit, me too.
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>>4820464
Who said servants only come in sets of seven?
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>>4820500
Taiga.
I assume she'd be the one in most danger if this is time sensitive.
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>>4820500
Waber belbet kun, Taiga, Monke in order of net care factor. Waver has more people with him and he's more plot relevant
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>>4820500
Uhm. Miyako? That should be without derailment I hope. Then Waver. And then Taiga at which point everything will go to hell.

Can Ereshkigal fix Iskander?
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>>4820500
Waver. He's the only one we know for sure has no Servant to protect him. He's also the only one we know for sure is on Manaka's radar.
Have Medea scry the other two while we talk to him, just to confirm they're safe.
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>>4820506
How could Taiga get her hands on a Servant who was summoned outside the grail system, nigga?
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Actually it didn't occur to me that Taiga might be in danger right now when she lasted all the way until now... don't we have the map like right next to us right now?
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>>4820519
Magic?
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>>4820500
Taiga pls.
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>>4820519
Maybe she didn't but someone else did.

Mordred might have been summoned outside the pattern. Altrouge and Rizo showed they have the capacity with circle that summoned Morgan.
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>>4820520
No one's watching it though, and the map shows only servant dots and us. We wouldn't be able to tell if she's under attack.
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>>4820500
Can we have Medea scry on the other two no matter who we end up calling first?
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>>4820528
Supporting
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>>4820528
...Sure.

Calling in 10
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>>4820526
I suppose that would be possible, but we saw Taiga after the war started, when Medea brought us to Shirou's house to talk. She didn't have Command Seals then, so she was definitely not part of the original 14 masters.
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>>4820532
...I don't like that tone.
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>>4820500
>banter stops
Taiga
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>>4820532
>>4820542
>i have the power to choose
quick change to waver-kun
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>>4820500
waver>taiga>the other one.
Waver has no servant and is fucked if he is attacked.
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And who do you want to call second?
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>>4820500
TAIGA
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>>4820556
taiga
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>>4820556
Taiga.
If she's not already captured by then.
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>>4820556
Taiga

Unless the scrying shows someone in danger, of course.
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>>4820556
Taiga.
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>>4820556
taiga
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>>4820387
>>4820400
Are you still going to make it?

Despairchads, unite!
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>>4820580
Don't lose Hope anon. We're all gonna make it.
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>>4820591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G58Ud_YG4Gw
Waver's dead, Taiga killed him!
Kerry got himself killed off-screen by Cu!
Manaka already captured Gray and is currently summoning the beast!
Nyarlathotep will crash this reality!
It's hopeless, it's already over, why can't you see?!?!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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>>4820613
Based despairposter
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>>4820556
Enhance speaking of enhance can we check on him? The lack of dante in recent threads is disappointing.
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>>4820528
I'd be fine with this
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>>4820625
When he's not on screen all the other characters will ask "where's Dante?"
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>>4820625
We really should check on the oni village eventually, rin's friend is there as a oni and we need to see if banana is alright.
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>>4820625
he's in oniland
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>>4820641
we could go tomorrow or the day after
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>>4820641
We're already planning on doing this at some point, and we don't know about Mitsuzuri in character.
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Didn't QM come up with his OC shaman girl?
She got off-screened hard.
Weren't we supposed to save her from dying or something?
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>>4820672
She's with Ibaraki in Oni-land.
Oni village is going to be a post war arc which she'll have prominence in.
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>>4820672
I think we were supposed to resurrect her most important person not save her from dying. But yeah she hasn't done much in this quest.
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>>4820682
A whole arc for oni village? Intriguing.
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>>4820690
>>4820682
i feel like Shuten and based Kouma are gonna be a big part of that arc
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>>4820682
Based, would be a shame if she just disappeared.
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"...call Waver. I want to invite him and the rest of his group round for the feast I'm planning." You tell Medea casually as you flip out your phone. You're also just a little bit worried about his current status. With enemy Servants on the prowl, there's no telling what could end up happening. Tesla, Morrigan or Cu, all of them would be able to wipe out Waver and his entire group in the blink of an eye.

"Go ahead, if you're planning a feast, I suppose it can't hurt to invite these apparent allies of yours too. I'll even teleport them over, if you're worried about them." Medea makes an offer to use her magic for you, and while it's welcome that she's so happily offering to assist you in any way she can, you want her to do something for you first.

"Thanks, Medea, but I want you to check on Taiga and Miyako while I make this call. I'm a little worried about them as well, and I don't want to wait to check to make sure that they're alright. With all the Enemy Servant activity in town, I'm worried that the two of them might be in danger, for as much of a pain in my ass that her Servant is being, Miyako is still somebody I want to see safe, and it goes without saying that I don't want to see Taiga hurt." You might not interact with Taiga all that much, but she's still somebody very dear to you, and you'd kill anybody who dared to injure her. Which is funny, considering that Caster in a different world from this one would actually end up threatening Taiga.

"Very well." Medea pulls out that crystal ball that she uses for scrying, and begins peering into it while you dial Waver, you wait for a moment as the phone dials a few times, before Waver finally ends up picking up.

"I hope that you weren't just playing a cruel joke on me when you mentioned that you'd successfully managed to capture Iskandar." There's no humor in Waver's voice as he speaks, and he actually sounds kind of annoyed with you for ending the call on such a note.

"Not at all, he's being kept safe in a zone outside of time and space, I believe." That's what Rin seemed to explain her abilities as doing, anyway. A transcendent storage device/prison. Anybody trapped within would have no recourse but to remain trapped forever, in a world where time doesn't exist, any form of movement or even thought would be impossible in a world such as that. Trapped without time. It can't even be called a horrific fate, because awareness in such a world would be quite impossible. Being trapped in such a world would be the equivalent of experiencing true oblivion for as long as you remained within. Only those with abilities such as Independent Manifestation could likely remain conscious in such a space. "This wasn't why I called though, I just wanted to make sure that everyone was safe and nobody is doing anything stupid."

"No, we're all very much safe still. There are no updates from our end, why?"
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"A few Servants have shown themselves to be more than willing to attack during daytime, so I suggest that you make your way to my home as quickly as possible. I can even have you teleported, if you'd like." You make a friendly offer to Waver to grant him safety. Right now, your house is just about the safest place on the planet.

"Teleportation...? While I appreciate the offer, I think I'll just drive. I don't think I'm comfortable with the idea of being teleported. It was bad enough when our Caster did it, and I'm very much sick to the stomach of being teleported in general. If we were going to be targeted, I imagine it would've occurred already anyway. I'll make my way over to you anyway." Waver declines the offer to be teleported, that's fine. If Merlin was teleporting them all over the place, you can understand a general dislike of being teleported. The guy is kind of an asshole in that regard, you don't even know how he was teleporting them around.

"Oh good, I'm also hosting a feast, so I'll see you later, I suppose." You say your farewell to Waver and hang up on him again. You're a little bit too worried about the rest of the people absent from your house to worry about being polite to Waver of all people. "Medea, anything odd about Taiga or Miyako?"

"Not really, both of them don't seem to be in any danger at all. Miyako is with her Servant, and Taiga is just sitting on a chair, I believe she might be thinking about something. Still, neither are in any danger, from what I can see." Medea puts the crystal ball away, and you breathe a sigh of relief before you begin dialing Taiga. Unlike Waver, the woman picks up nearly immediately, and you place the phone against your ear...

"Hello, Shinji." Taiga's voice comes through the speaker, but something feels... wrong. "I'm glad that Saber managed to do his job and distract Orochi long enough for you back then." No, there's definitely definitely something wrong here. Though you guess this clears up the mystery of who Sasaki's Master is.

"T-Taiga?" You say the name of the woman speaking to you, your voice horrified at what might've happened. Could... Taiga have been possessed by an enemy Servant too? No, an enemy wouldn't have supported you. Then... why?

"Yes, you're speaking to Taiga right now. Though I'm afraid that I'm borrowing her body. I know that you don't like it when people do that, but... It's only temporary. I'm only a fraction of my greater self, but that was enough. But don't worry, Taiga will be perfectly fine." You are relieved when you hear that, but still a little outraged.. "I was wondering when you were going to call, I didn't want to show up personally, because I feared you would've reacted negatively without a warning, Sasaki was supposed to tell you..." Taiga sounds miserable, and you realize just who the woman on the other side of the phone truly is.
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"Alaya." You say the name of the collective consciousness of humanity. What the hell is she doing inside Taiga?! You try to stop yourself from getting angry. You know that Alaya doesn't mean anything by her possession of Taiga, and when she says that Taiga will be perfectly fine, you're very much inclined to believe her.

>"How are you inside Taiga? Shouldn't she die from your presence inside her?"
>"Why are you inside Taiga? Couldn't you have created your own vessel or used a Counter Guardian?"
>"Why did you choose Taiga? Was there nobody else you considered maybe more suited?"
>"What are you doing? Are you personally intervening here?"
>"Do you want to come to my Feast?"
>"Prove that Taiga is alright. Put her on the line."
>Write-in...
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And to think people have been ignoring her all this time.
Did Shirou not know about this? This is kinda very important.
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>>4820739
Seriously, we told him to talk to her yesterday. Did he forget while he was fucking Saber? Did his fiancee distract him so much that he didn't notice he wasn't actually talking to Taiga? Or is it the most benign explanation and Alaya put Taiga on the line when they talked?

Also, we're being kind of a dick to Waver lately. We did the same thing yesterday when we told him about Orochi.
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>>4820732
>I'd like to invite you to a feast tonight, but I have one condition.
>Put Taiga back in control for the evening so she can enjoy herself once you're here safely, and keep her safe at all times otherwise. Don't you dare fail me on this, Alaya.
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>>4820732
Support >>4820750
I was writing something similar, nigger was faster.
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>>4820732
>"What are you doing? Are you personally intervening here?"
What's her game here? She should know about Merlin being with us and on our side. What gives?
as well as this >>4820750
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>>4820746
Anyway, I assume this is a Rin/Eresh situation rather than Ishtarin, so Taiga should be fine. Alaya probably told Taiga everything about our situation, but we should probably still talk to her.
I say Teleport her here now. She does't really have a reason to stay there now.
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>>4820761
Yeah, I trust our Alaya is telling the Truth when she says Taiga is alright. She knows we would hate her otherwise. We'll offer her the teleport for sure.
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>>4820732
>>4820750
This + Teleport her.
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>>4820732
>>4820750
Support.
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Maybe if I call it here for the night, and go to bed, I'll stop being so tired...
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>>4820795
Maybe you will if you start doing it every day.
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>>4820795
Go to sleep
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>seems like Sakura drawing first blood, so to speak, has caused her to accelerate whatever she might've originally been planning.
She's gonna shotgun wedding us
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>>4820795
Weak
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Why am I not asleep yet?
Oh well, I'm going to sleep now.
I wonder if you'll enjoy Taigalaya's stat page.
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>>4820956
>Some people wanted to ship Taiga with Waver.
>Now she becames atracted to us because of Alaya osmosis.
It's temporary though right? Unless she absorbs some power like Ilya did.
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>>4820956
So uhhh presuming for a minute that Taiga has hosted Alaya this whole time. When Alaya leaves Taigas body, what will happen. Will Taiga still remember all this magic grail war shit? Or will she simply go back to being normal ass Taiga with no knowledge of magic at all
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>>4820995
Taiga is in love with Kerry so...
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>>4821024
Yeah, but we're planning on bringing Irisviel back from the grail, so that probably wont work out.
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>>4821036
Kerry is used to keeping multiple women unfulfilled
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>>4821036
well considering that we're probably gonna have 20+ wives by the end of this and Kerry cheated on Iri... I'd say they should give it a try
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>>4821036
Actually, are we sure Irisviel is possible to be salvaged from the Grail? I thought that was Juzteaze and Iri got nullified into a pure vessel and energy.
I can definitely think of ways to do it, but they're a little involved.
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>>4821062
we'll find a way, also it wasn't too long since Iri got jammed into the Grail
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>>4821062
We have a handful of the greatest magic users to ever exist on our team, and we've personally performed many absurd feats of magical ability with no prep time whatsoever.
I will be gobsmacked if we can't figure out how to pull someone out of a magic cup.
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>>4821121
The problem as I understand, is that she isn't really in the cup, as she should dissolve into "colourless" magical energy. Thats what gets coloured and does the wish through the acquired directionality.
I may be wrong, but I'd look more towards Time Mordred, Aoko and Rin for this.
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>>4821173
Juzteaze had her magic circuit integrated into the land, and thats the basis of a homunculus. Iri became the Lesser Grail only. That overflowed wirh Angra and was destroyed, wasnt it?
I am not sure at this point.
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>>4821062
Grab Justeaze as well, if only to dab on Acht
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>>4821062
We are not sure, no. That's why we shouldn't promise anything. But we should definitely try. And I think it's very possible. Iri's body became a cup, but her soul was incorporated into Angra Mainyu. Her face and her memories were used when Angra offered Kiritsugu his wish. She should still be in there somewhere.

I'm pretty sure Justeaze will be impossible though. She became the Greater Grail. I don't think there's anything left of her that can be salvaged.
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>>4821289
Juzteaze is much more retrievable. Her magical circuits are integrated into the leylines and if Iri's soul is retrievable from being made colourless+then Angra'd, then so could hers.
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>>4821289
Also, I wouldn't say Iri's soul is incorporated into Angra. We know that they have some weird nature spirit type soul, Angra is a Curse thing, and Angra imitating Iri's shape =/= having her soul. Just based on my reading of the situation.
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>>4820732
>...How...?
>I’m glad to hear you but please tell me Taiga is fine!
>Are you safe? And keeping Taiga safe?
>Would you want to come over for the feast I’m organizing? You could meet the white princess.


Also if she wants to coom we’ll need to find her another body. Cant hijack Taiga like that.
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>>4821296
To be precise, I think Iri is probably integrated into the grail itself. Lesser Grails are like terminals to the Greater Grail, since she became fully a lesser grail, then she should be a part of the system.

That Angra expressed itself from her, as it replaced the "colourless" energy after the 3rd War does not mean that Angra=The Grail, just that Angra=The contents of the Grail.
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>>4821300
>>4820732
+1
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>>4821292
Iri's soul didn't become colorless though. That's what the Servant souls are for. She was the first grail with one, her soul is superfluous to the system. It wasn't designed to eat grail souls. The only thing that should have happened to her is Angra corruptiomi

Justeaze on the other hand is the foundation of the system. Everything was built on her circuits and her soul. The Grail is more than just circuits in a cave under the temple.
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>>4821296
There was a whole scene with Angra swallowing her. And Angra used more than her shape. He used her memories and her mannerisms.

>>4821301
That's kinda my point. The grail doesn't have a use for a cup's soul, as cups didn't have a soul for the first three wars. If not for Angra, Iri would have been stuck in there and greeted Kiritsugu undamaged.
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>>4821303
>The Grail is more than just circuits in a cave under the temple.
It's Juzteaze's Magic Circuits + magical energy. That's it.

Grails in general are colourless magical energy to realize any given result through a method the user knows but can't achieve due to lack of energy. Even if the Grail was uncorrupted, if Kerry didn't know a method to bring world peace he was merely too weak to carry out, it can't do anything since it's only "energy to be coloured by will/to realize a known process".

The Einzbern's made Juzteaze and her magic circuits the basis by integration into the Grail and the land due to Juzteaze being able to carry out the 3rd Magic.
Thus if she got "spread out" and enlarged, she could do it on a large scale instead of just to one person per a lot of years.

The Church has known 726 Holy Grails who are basically also wishgranters, the wishgranting trait isn't integral or part of the Grail system.

Though looking at it Juzteaze, and Iri imo, ain't looking good based on CMIII

"Q: Is the will of the Greater Grail, which selects Masters, the same will of Justicia who was offered as a sacrifice for the ritual that created it? Or does the Greater Grail lack any kind of volition?

A: The Greater Grail does not have a will. Justicia’s soul was completely sublimated. "
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>>4821307
>If not for Angra, Iri would have been stuck in there and greeted Kiritsugu undamaged.
That's not true though.

Zero mats says:

"Urobuchi:Black Iri, well, in terms of the truth, is more like "Angri" with the appearance of Iri, so she's something completely different. For some reason, I thought of her being in the same costume as Black Sakura.

Black Iri is just Angra cosplaying, not her soul or her parts.

Irisviel wouldn't be the terminal of the will of the Grail. The Grail is just a system thats mostly energy that you can grant "Directionality" to.

Angra colouring it why it explicitly monkey's paws, but otherwise it should be completely neutral and colorless. If it were Irisviel coloured it couldn't grant wishes, because it would enact "Irisviel"
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>>4821310
Could Moedred deage the Grail?
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>>4821300
Support.
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>>4821313
This doesn't even go into the fact that the Lesser Grail collects 7 HS souls ideally. That's going to fuck over whatever soul equivalent a lesser grail has, wouldn't it? Since multiple souls, especially fucking strong souls like that, can't inhabit the same vessel. That's why she loses functionality and breaks down, even with Avalon going strong.
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>>4821322
Time Mordred could probably just regress the entire Grail system and make it spit back out its parts, I guess? If she got good enough.

Side mats has this to say about Juzteaze's circuits, which I keep mentioning:

"As for Justeaze herself, she still exists within the center of the Great Holy Grail. The circuitry covering the surface of the crater in the cavern is actually her magic circuits, enlarged and multiplied.
These magic circuits, almost a kilometer in diameter, are microcosm of the universe created from a single human body."
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>>4821326
That makes it sound like Ereshkigal might have enough to work with. But better for Mordred to get time-swole anyway so she can help/create extra options.
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>>4821310
>completely sublimated
This does not sound recoverable. Justeazes's circuits were used to make the Grail's hardware. Her Soul was used to make its software. Nothing of her should remain. But that doesn't have anything to do with Irisviel.

>>4821313
>Trusting the butcher to know what he's talking about when it comes to mechanics
Angra had more than Iri's appearance. He had her memories, her mannerisms, her way of speaking. How could he do that without her soul?

The Grail has a very specific function: It takes the souls of 6 servants and grants a wish, or 7 and opens a path to the route. The soul of a lesser grail was not included in its original program, so there should be no specific use for it.

And it's very possible that Acht fucked up by giving his lesser grail a soul, and the Greater Grail would have been unable to grand any wish other than Iri's. That's a bit like what happened with Angra. But we've never seen an intact, uncorrupted grail activated by a lesser grail with a soul. We don't really know for sure what would happen if Angra wasn't in there.

>>4821325
I'm pretty sure it's her body breaking down from the stress, not her soul. Avalon can keep her functioning for longer, and Avalon heals the body. And she's perfectly lucid while she's alive, and even a little beyond before Angra eats her.

>>4821326
Completely sublimated anon. She was used as raw materials, nothing more.
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Unrelated but I feel like it deserves a mention, Miura passed away
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>>4820682
If we have a moment we need to go visit and get a shopping list to have our wagieslaves deliver to them for supplies so they don't start eating people out of necessity 300 humans alone eat a lot, Oni would need even more supplies.
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>>4821351
Just saw it too. Goddamnit, he will be missed.
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>>4821351
yeah, saw a few hours ago, felt it wasn't polite to bring the news into the thread, but while it's been brought up, I want to say : he was a fucking legend
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Let me just dump some more Grail and Wish stuff.

Illya in SN:
“Yes, all the more so if it’s the soul of a heroic spirit.
The magical energy of a Servant that lost its ‘shell’ called class is enormous. Having one in your body is like creating a typhoon in your body.
But it’s the function of the Holy Grail to collect seven in the end.
There’s no space for the soul of the container itself.

That’s why all the Holy Grails until now were inorganic substances without souls. The function of the Holy Grail is to collect the souls of all seven Servants, then to unify and manage them.
———You don’t need extra programs in there. The personality of the Holy Grail will only be erased by the function of the Holy Grail.”

Some HA lines about how wishgranting grail works

"That which is called thaumaturgical energy is merely a fuel for the purpose of activating Thaumaturgy; by itself, it can wield no effect. However, there do exist exceptions to this rule, whereby—restricted to those circumstances in which thaumaturgical energy itself comes to bear qualities that approach the nature of Thaumaturgy—it is let to take a “form."

"Should its vital processes and the faculties that it holds as a Holy Grail come into direct junction, it would likely be able to give “form” to the Miracle of “Thaumaturgy” merely by the release of thaumaturgical energy. "

And Holy Grails being usually only energy, with Juzteaze's thing being an extra for the Third Magic:

Heaven's Feel Day 15:

"The Greater Grail was activated. Justeaze would become as a Key in an effort to reenact an ancient Magic.
Indeed, if she were absent, the Holy Grail would be as nothing more than a “mere” Holy Grail.

The “Cup of Heaven” required her Intention. It was to “that old man” well-known that by the devices of Makiri and Tōsaka alone, the Holy Grail would become as nothing beyond a typical Wishgranting Engine."

Interestingly, the act to "reenact" the act of Magic, seems to be same term as a Demon trying to "reenact" its own form onto a human body that usually kills them and may produce something like an Enfleshed Demon/sorta True Demon if it were to succeed. Caren from HA.

>>4821348
The problem(?) is how Homunculi are made. The Homunculus is a "Magic Circuit" itself that then has a body made around it. This would suggest the part that is the "magic circuit" is the truest self of a homunculus, not their body. Since her magic circuits are there...?

Also, Juzteaze in some manner as per the above quote has to have an effect on the Grail by her presence, I think.

>Trusting the butcher to know what he's talking about when it comes to mechanics
Also, if you wish to disregard statements just because they are made by an autist, we can throw out everything. Since he was authorized to say that, and he wasn't contradicted, it's most likely right.
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>>4820732
>>4821300
+1
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Honestly, it doesnt really matter anyways, since we can have Aoko, Mordred, Rin do some bullshit.
Aoko can seemingly move events based on memory+whatever Genesis Light Year is, Mordred can draw out Iri from Ilya's past or something and Rin can render timeline proliferation and move backwards and take her and replace her with a soulless Grail vessel to preserve the timeline.
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What I am more interested in, is when the japanese mage organization going to come take a look at this shit, since they havent joined the Association iirc.
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>>4821361
>There’s no space for the soul of the container itself.
Yeah, the container was never intended to have a soul. And so there should be no specific function of the Grail destroying that soul, as it was never accounted for.

>The personality of the Holy Grail will only be erased by the function of the Holy Grail.
We saw Iri's personality didn't get erased though.

>The problem(?) is how Homunculi are made. The Homunculus is a "Magic Circuit" itself that then has a body made around it. This would suggest the part that is the "magic circuit" is the truest self of a homunculus, not their body. Since her magic circuits are there...?

The magic circuits aren't the soul though. And the body is the least important part of a being. What matters is her soul, and her soul was used to create the Grail's program, as her circuits were used to create the Grail's housing

>Since he was authorized to say that, and he wasn't contradicted, it's most likely right.
He's contradicted by what we saw. Angra had more than Iri's appearance when he spoke to Kiritsugu. I trust my own eyes over him.

>>4821370
Theoretically yes, but those methods can be used to save just about anyone. I think Iri's situation is unique enough that we won't have to go to such lengths. Her soul must be in there somewhere.

>>4821387
I thought one of the reasons, if not THE reason, Justeaze and Zolgen picked Japan was that there was no pesky local organization to interfere with their ritual.
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>>4820732
>>4821300
Support
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>>4821397
>He's contradicted by what we saw. Angra had more than Iri's appearance when he spoke to Kiritsugu. I trust my own eyes over him.
He's not contradicted by Angra taking Iri's shape and mannerism. If you keep trusting your eyes instead of what actually happens, you're gonna believe a lot of weird shit.

Do you think TATARI is Nanaya Shiki because he wholly assumes his form? Or Berserk Arc etc? Taking form and mannerism=/=part of it or devoured it.

>>4821397
Alba in KNk talks about the japanese mage organization. Instead of the Association which prevents incidents, the japanese are super pro at cleaning up afterwards. Aozakis also administer spiritual land, and are most likely connected to them.

>What matters is her soul,
Whe dont know what Iri, as a pure homunculus/artificial nature spirit has a soul though. Its not human, as she has fairy traits and can land drain, its not human as homus cant leatn the 3rd as per Third Magician dude. They start as Circuits without bodies. The fact that she can remin cognizant to any manner why holding HS souls shows her soul is not standard or human. We cant necessarily apply the same taxonomy.

Angra also takes Shirou's form in HA, that doesn't quite mean they are the same, even if characteristics bleed into each other.
Darnic talks about how even if all his traits and psyche remained, if his soul dilutes it still wont be him

Similarity of characteristics=/=the same.

>We saw Iri's personality didn't get erased though.
We did see it get erased, we have word of Illya it happens. That something else took it up to be like that, doesnt change the fact.

This is the very same conversation as Betty making copies including the soul. A copy is still a copy.
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>>4821397
>And so there should be no specific function of the Grail destroying that soul, as it was never accounted for.
>The personality of the Holy Grail will only be erased by the function of the Holy Grail.”

Are we reading the same words.
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>>4821406
>He's not contradicted by Angra taking Iri's shape and mannerism. If you keep trusting your eyes instead of what actually happens, you're gonna believe a lot of weird shit.
>Do you think TATARI is Nanaya Shiki because he wholly assumes his form? Or Berserk Arc etc? Taking form and mannerism=/=part of it or devoured it.
You are conflating different cases with few similarities other than "entity takes someone else's form". We know Iri's soul was pulled into the grail. We also know Angra took her form and mannerisms. You assume Iri's soul was destroyed and these two facts are unrelated. I assume Angra took her form and mannerisms because her soul was pulled into the grail and that the soul wasn't destroyed. I don't think we have enough evidence to tell for sure either way until we secure the Grail and take a look at its contents ourselves.

>>4821406
>Alba in KNk talks about the japanese mage organization. Instead of the Association which prevents incidents, the japanese are super pro at cleaning up afterwards. Aozakis also administer spiritual land, and are most likely connected to them.
I don't remember Alba talking about it all, I'll have to go check. Aozakis administering land doesn't mean anything, Tohsakas do as well and they're associated with the Clocktower.

>We did see it get erased, we have word of Illya it happens
We saw very different things then. And Illya has been misinformed about a great many things. Iri's soul getting erased or not is something that even Acht shouldn't know about for sure, he doesn't even know about Angra being in there.

>A copy is still a copy.
How is this related to anything?

>>4821407
>Are we reading the same words.
Apparently not, you didn't read my very next sentence.
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So what are we concepting Alaya with now that we have her in groping distance?

Are we waiting till Chadryssil is up and running and we've had a chat to Kirsh first to work out how we want to elevate humanity?
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>>4821406
You're right about Alba, he does say in passing that the Japanese prefer to clean things up instead of nipping problems in the bud and how much he likes that compared to what he's used in the Clocktower. I wonder what they think about what's been going on in Fuyuki since yesterday.

>>4821414
Nigga, how the fuck do you expect us to be able to concept Alaya with anything that won't immediately kill us or worse right now? And why do you want to break the promise the first chance you got?
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>>4821417
Did I say today?

Did I say without mountantop pseudo AoG mana density meme ritual?

We haven't even started a convo on what to do for her because until no we had no direct access on demand
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>>4821413
I don't get the way you view...anything.

>Apparently not, you didn't read my very next sentence.
>We saw Iri's personality didn't get erased though.
Except I already said I disagree with this.

Well, us not coming to an agreement is nothing new.
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>>4821417
like even in that post I'm asking are we waiting until post post game autistic cultivation ritual before deciding.

https://youtu.be/DGAPTWbdGws
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>>4821420
>now that we have her in groping distance
That implies today, doesn't it? That's the part I was talking about.

>>4821422
>I don't get the way you view...anything.
I assure you, the feeling is mutual.

You did say you disagree, and then you used the same thing again to accuse of not reading.

And our disagreements are nothing new indeed, but they're often fun. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were with people I fundamentally disagreed with.

>>4821424
What makes you think I'm not settled down?

Anyway, I think Perpetuity had been mentioned in a brief previous concept discussion about her? I don't remember all that well.
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>>4821414
You know. I wonder if we can concept Alaya with something related to truth-seeking if we are juiced up on our super-Tree when its finished.
We told Alaya about higher-dimensional humanity and she loved it. Time to orient her, and everyone, towards attaining that?

What are some good autism concepts for truth-seeking or elevation along the metaphyiscal? Neoplatonists, gnostics, theosophists has to have some good ones.
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>>4821430
Risks stagnation, maybe Ascension?
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>>4821417
>You're right about Alba, he does say in passing that the Japanese prefer to clean things up instead of nipping problems in the bud and how much he likes that compared to what he's used in the Clocktower.
Where does he say this?
>>4821414
I was thinking gestalt but I also think that might work with Touko.
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>>4821420
I imagine we'll be wanting to spend several OP's posts worth of conversation with her. What of all the things we had planned should we consult with her? And which should we keep to ourselves for now?

>janitorial staff contract renegotiations
>Vritra the Guardian Dragon of Getting in the Way To Keep Things Interesting
>Merlin's presence
>Manakas
>Beasts
>Dealing with the Moon
>Vampire ritual
>World Tree Autism
>Ereshkigal's Soul Garden
>Relationship with Gaia
>Relationship with other Planets

I bet I'm forgetting something important again.
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>>4821435
Paradox Spiral

"Their good point is that they don't act first unless you encroach upon their sovereignty. Unlike the Association they are reclusive, so apparently they don't act before something happens but after the fact. They are masters of cleaning up the mess. It turns out all Japanese are like that. Ah, I'm not saying that in a bad way. Instead this is a good thing for me. Since not having any disturbances occur during a plan is something which is unthinkable in my country. For those mages who leave the Association this country is perfect."
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>>4821436
I'd wait on everything other than EMIYA's contract and Manaka stuff, if she minds giving us Fou's reigns that would be nice, cuck Altrouge and also greatly reduce her firepower before Aylesbury.

We can give PM Innocence? return him to mascot
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>>4821436
Talk to her about whats up with her having an individual self at all instead of a nameless prayer for survival/system, and what does that mean+ we brought in all these phantasmals, goddesses and shit and we aren't stopping, tell her some of our plans and ask for opinions.
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Assuming we can grope Alaya through Taiga's body, concepting her will trickle back down to all the humans, right? Are we going to upgrade them to Liners or something? In any case we should be careful.
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>>4821440
Whats the opposite of Comparison?
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>>4821440
Is Fou linked to Alaya? I thought he's rather Planet aligned.
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>>4821433
I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.

>>4821436
Contract renegotations are the only critical ones right now. I don't see what more she has to say about the Manakas And I say we should talk to her about Merlin and the other Alayas too, see her opinion on negotiations with the other Alayas to leave us alone. We'll definitely need to consult with her about our plans, but that'll have to wait for after the war.

It's going to be a huge conversation anyway, that I think should wait for tomorrow.

>>4821438
Your translation is better than mine. Where is it from?

>>4821443
>In any case we should be careful.
Very much so, yes. It's going to be the most dangerous concept we're ever going to apply.
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>>4821445
All Beasts are Human Order based and actually both supported by the Human Order, and ideally have 7 Grands set to stomp them in.
It looks like Beasts need to be defeated, not just avoided, so making them exist and boosting them is also something that the Counter Force does, along with destroying them if they appear.
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>>4821443
That was the intent ye

>>4821445
I'm mixing up Gaia and Alaya nvm. She might be able to open a line to Gaia though

>>4821444
Disconnection? Separation? Refusal?
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>>4821444
Speaking of this, should we try giving Beasts some concept relating to their Beastness? Give Tiamat Progress or Future, Amaterasu something, etc?

We'll do this Beast stuff 200% by making them work for us instead of JUST defeating them or keeping them around.
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>>4821447
I get my quotes and shit Beasts Lair and Spacebattles translation and lore threads. I just have a lot of translated quotes on bookmarks, not from an actual translated book.
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>>4821452
Well, also tmdict, wiki cites, etc.
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brehs.

If we douse Alaya's core in the sippy cup we cure Original Sin.

We could probably create a ritual to reach it in person?
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>>4821449
I wonder what would happen if we concepted Alaya with Humanity.

>>4821450
We wanted to debeastify the bests though, didn't we?' Turn primal murder into Fou, etc.

>>4821452
Ah, damn. The book translation is kinda shitty. Here for comparison:
>“And besides, why not stay? After all, Japan is such a wonderful country. It’s modern yet has that isolated ‘Macondo’ feeling, precisely why the Ordo Magi tends to overlook it. They even have their own dynasties, and their own quaint traditions of the Art, like that Onmyōdō stuff, which I can’t really tell apart from Shintō, but whatever. The splendid thing about this Japanese lot is how they don’t intrude on your personal space, quite unlike the nosiness of the Ordo. When something disagreeable is happening, they don’t move to nip it in the bud, but instead clean up afterwards, like janitors. All the Japanese are the same way. Oh, but don’t misunderstand, I like that about them. It’s a situation so opposite from where I come from, and perfect for the apostates who have severed relations with the Ordo, of which I am a part of anyway, so perhaps this business is none of mine.”
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>>4821458
Human^2

She might gain a human terminal to act on earth without a host?
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>>4821449
Comparison is bad because it creates conflict based on differences/what one has and the other doesn't so. . .

>>4821457
Cool. Let's also ask this from her.
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>>4821458
>We wanted to debeastify the bests though, didn't we?' Turn primal murder into Fou, etc.
Thats how we would deBeastify them.

Tiamat is Regression Beast, because she wants to start over/return to, for her, simpler better times and represents this impulse.

If we get her to look towards the future and give her the ability to adapt instead of adapting the environment to her, isn't that the best of all? Communication, living along her children and never being left behind?

Her nature doesn't allow this, which is why she wants Regression.
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>>4821462
Acceptance then? rather than going full Khorne and scaling Fou doesn't hate people because of their conflicts and differences. So it keeps the power but loses the urge to rip and tear

If we cure Original Sin humans will be allowed back into Eden, and we were going to terraform the planet into Eden beneath the Tree anyway
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>>4821461
I do wonder the fucks up with Ether Liners.
You know who was the first dude with Knight Arm like them? Crimson Moon with Real of the World.
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>>4821457
what would that even do? Instant Rapture? Return humans to garden of Eden? create divine hivemind? Immanentize Eschaton?
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>>4821458
Oh fuck, is that the cokesakto translation? That's very infamous. It has shittons of Mage the Ascension lore grafted into the translation for some fucking reason.
Like calling magecraft "The Art" iirc.
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>>4821468
Depending on what the Original Sin is. God is kinda super strong here, but I think there were implications that the original sin, as per Merodach may have been the overturning of the Age of Gods to the Human Order the deification of humans (Throne of Heroes) instead+ruling ourselves etc.

That's very 100% speculation, but I think it was an interesting theory.
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Cure Sin -> Ascension for Alaya for the level up while we remake Eden in the background?
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>>4821472
Throw Longinus into the Ritual too.

We should try dipping Longinus into the cup at some point and see what happens
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>>4821474
I wonder what our Grail would do to Cain, who is probably around, and the Wandering Jew, who we know from Requiem is 100% around,
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>>4821457
Is Original Sin even a thing in nasu? And reach what in person and why?

>>4821465
Tiamat is content to stay in Sakura though, and she has blessed our union. I think we should lean into her being the mother of life instead of her beasthood for a concept.

>>4821469
Yeah, this is it. It's what was in the /tmg/ op. Lots of terms were weird in it.

>>4821472
I think I prefer Humanity to Ascension. Ascension sounds like it will make humans not be humans anymore.

>>4821474
You really love that cup, don't you?
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>>4821481
I'll post a comparison I found between cokesakto's and someone else's attempt at the same passage, for interest's sake.

Cokesakto:
“Spoken like a true politician, I swear. Cyclicality and repetition. You see it everywhere, from occult lore to scientific theories. Spirits, souls, and life. Outside of all these concepts, there is the origin, reincarnated into something else, eternally. And from that chaos is born a certain order. Certainly, it is said that mages also make use of this manifestation of age-old power, making all of us lean towards some aspect of personality. A purifying cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. Follow the origin to hundreds of spiraling lives lived, until you reach the primordial origin of the soul.

“The Collegium teaches us that there is a place and time where existence first came to be. But in eternal paradox, there is no life there. Only the impetus for creation. An overriding direction, an entropic tendency to chaos that drives all of reality. Such shards of creation obtain a purpose, a task, placing themselves into things part of the Pattern of reality that matches its symbology. An animal perhaps. Or a plant. Sometimes, or eventually, it may be a man, finding his soul. Sometimes, these purposes can feel like an imperative.

“This chaotic impulse is what mages call the origin. Is it instinct? The Greek ‘daemon?’ Ancestral recall? Moments of genius? The voice of God or the devil? Ask five mages, you will get ten different answers. But whatever it is, it is burned into your soul, and it would be folly to turn away from it.”

NON-Cokesakto is too long for one post.
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>>4821472
Well if we do go through with making changes of this magnitude, this combination sounds promising. One without the other would probably create instability.

Although I'm not sure if it's a good idea to jump the gun just because we have Alaya almost at arm's reach right now. Maybe we can raise the possibility with her? Although this is the kind of thing I'd hear from God himself if it is a good idea.

inb4 "no, it's not or I would've done that already" because pushing ascension on someone with free will before they achieve a proper mindset for it will end in disaster.
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>>4821481
>I think I prefer Humanity to Ascension. Ascension sounds like it will make humans not be humans anymore.
That's...what happens anyway. Ether Liners and A-Rays, Age of Will posthumans.
Anyway.
>>4821484
Non-Coke

"「A Kokutou-esque answer, truly.
Still, let us here postulate that it exists.
... Even from a scientific standpoint, the principle of transmigration is [indeed] valid.
All particles [exist] in a continuous flux, no?
Removed of psyche or spirit; of the concept called as life, all phenomena are reconstituted of something else.
... What's referred to as an Origin is a means by which to retrogress per the disordered principles [that govern this process].
There exist as well amongst the magi those who would (foolishly?) take upon themselves the personality of a prior incarnation, as to make use of the capabilities of such.
This would be an endeavor to inherit the capabilities of the self that was before the self was born, in transcendence of the Era.
That what is called an Origin refers to something even further transcendent.
If there exists a prior incarnation, it's a matter of course that there would be an incarnation preceding that, no?
Even that the prior incarnation wasn't human, and the incarnation preceding that was likewise not a thing, [there is] a thread of being that binds in persistence.
It is certain that there exists a point of inception for the spirit that is you; the place at which the existence that is you was formed .
However, in that place, there exists nothing so much as life.
That what exists are primordial Factors of some manner; nothing but some manner of Directionality to the determination of phenomena.
In this swirl where lies the Basis of all, [such] Directionalities instantiate as in the manner of flashes of lightning.
The implication called as enact ... flows [forth]; and in flowing, imposes form to substances of like alignment -- sometimes becoming as a human.
Perhaps these primordial Factors can be called as the Directionalities of instantiated phenomena --
the impulses called as enact ... and cannot but enact ..., born of the chaos called as the Swirl of the Root.
In the end, [these are] to all that bear form as absolute orders in such a manner implemented.
Such chaotic impulses are in thaumaturgy referred to as Origins.
Simply put, they could perhaps be described as instinct.
For example, there exist individuals who cannot but express a carnal desire for children, no?
Though it's said that the disposition may derive of childhood experiences and such, the volition of an adult cannot to the extent of experiences in childhood induce reform.
[An Origin], then, would be as such in precedence to birth.
There exist for souls a casting mold called as an Origin.
Even that we know of it, a Directionality become as a Factor of Existence cannot be refused.」
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>>4821474

>and see what happens

has SCIENCE!!! gone too far?
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>>4821351
Fuck.
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>Among scholars who consider it to have been real, there have been various suggestions for its location:[9] at the head of the Persian Gulf, in southern Mesopotamia (now Iraq) where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers run into the sea;[10] and in Armenia.[11][12][13]

I found where we plant the Tree.

We should talk to Gil about this plan too. He used to preside over that part of the Earth and I imagine he'd want humans to push forward together. If we cleanse ourselves of Sin via the up, we might be able to pass back through Eden's Gates if we can find it.

Uriel, the Angel of Salvation guards the Gate. Might be time to go have a chat with an Archangel and pick up Jacob's Limbs if he doesn't want to listen to a ningen.

>>4821481
yes, the cup

Nero being the Antithesis of the Whore of Babylon now is actually pretty important. The cup compels one to be a wish granter, it's effect has been inverted. In Revelations, the Whore basically wrangles all the sinners via their Kings. The origin of this being the Original Sin that they were born with and then lost themselves to. It's only appropriate Reformed Nero would be part of leading humans to a new age
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>>4821481
>Tiamat is content to stay in Sakura though, and she has blessed our union.
The question is if she stopped being a Beast. Humanity kinda NEEDS to defeat the Beasts for some reason, same as sciencing the Magics.

If Tiamat stayed a Beast we need to do something around it, if this counts as "defeatin" her like Fou giving up, then its fine.
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>>4821481
Also, Nero is Rome, Rome is Humanity.

From Romulus himself:
>"A child of Rome that is my beloved child. The glory of Rome itself that was in the end, brilliantly born. A child endowed with the talent to obtain the embodiment of the genuine Rome."[1]
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>>4821497
>Jacob's Limbs if he doesn't want to listen to a ningen.
After we get a bit more swole and learn from people, okay? But sounds good to me.
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>>4821477
Oops autism tangent. Cain should be given the chance to be saved, he's served the longest punishment of any human ever.
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>>4821484
>>4821488
Goddamn. No one else has fully translated the novels, right?

>That's...what happens anyway
Yes, and we really want to prevent that, don't we? I don't want to live in the Land of Steel. It's not a happy place.

>>4821491
>Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.

>>4821497
Aylesbery is key to returning to the Age of Gods. I thought we were planning the tree there?

>>4821497
What will you do for your quest if we go through all the Nero autism here?

>>4821499
Where's humanity needing to defeat the beasts from? As for sciencing the magics, we're reversing that anyway. I don't see why we should stay on-script for the beasts.

And I'm pretty sure Tiamat counts like Fou, yeah.

>>4821502
>More Rome
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4821506
Definitely yes. He's probably the only one around who's actually SEEKING salvation instead of having it forced upon him by us and that dumb cup.
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>>4821506
>Yanluo Wang/The Enma being First Dead.
I wonder how other myths mix with this.
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>>4821503
Time for magical GOMAD

A gallon from each wife every single day until we get HUGE.

If we wanna cuck out then at least use the Cattle of Geryon's milk
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You guys talking about pulling people from the grail do remember that Justeaze herself shows up in Apo in the grail to have a chat right?
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>>4821509
This quest's concept means Nero is a complete inversion. Always good to explore the other side of the coin and anon's lore autism research always helps add to my own. I have a whole VN of plot for my own autism, I'm just refining it and waiting until life allows me time to write, constantly researching and refining as I go. I'll never be happy with it but I'll get closer and closer as time goes on anyway.

>>4821509
You only seethe because Rome is you but cooler, greekoid

>>4821510
chinkshit blasphemy :^)
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>>4821509
>No one else has fully translated the novels, right?
Nope, it's either Coke, japanese or the movies.

>Where's humanity needing to defeat the beasts from?
I think its in Time Temple where Gilgamesh gives some exposition, including that if Beast I is extant, then by that time Beast VII is also extant, and that Beasts are like an "objective to be cleared" which is just how Magic is described.
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>>4821515
I don't know Apo
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>>4821515
I thought it was just a hologram using her form, not her? It was even glitching while it talked to Amakusa iirc.

>>4821516
>Rome is you but cooler, greekoid
More decadent, yes. More organized too. But cooler? Hell no. Everything cool about them. they stole it from their betters.
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>I thought it was just a hologram using her form, not her? It was even glitching while it talked to Amakusa iirc.
I assumed that this was because the Nazis stole the Lesser Grail and took it from where it was supposed to be so it wasn't fully her.
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>>4821520
Property of Rome now, ok?

There's a reason Romulus dabs on ZETE in LB 5
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>>4821523
There's also the FGO event where she manifests fully during the Fourth War.
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>>4821517
Time Temple says this:

"A World wherein an Evil of Humanity has materialized
tends unto "the Evil of the End", and is visited thereby with mounting calamities.
As of the advent of the I,
the VII of the End shall have appeared somewhere within this world."

What I meant was in 7th Singularity:

"Gilgamesh

I see. So Merlin has gone on ahead, then.
Without coming to know defeat in the waking realm, he has been crushed within the depths of the dreaming.
Truly an end befitting of him.
Still, the Evils of Humanity -- Merlin did indeed speak of such, you say?

Mashu
Yes. He said that the King of Thaumaturgy has to this land called to awakening one among the Seven Evils of Humanity.
... er, Lord Gilgamesh.
What precisely are the Evils of Humanity?
What are the Seven?

Gilgamesh
What, you're unfamiliar with them?
I would've thought that you'd already come across the answer to that in your investigations.
The Evils of Humanity are, as the name implies, the Stigmata of Humanity -- the various Calamities positioned to enact the annihilation of Humanity.
They accumulate strength in proportion to the advancement of humans, and are in essence as a cancer that consumes society from within.
To rephrase, they are as a stagnation within the current of the History of Humanity.

da Vinci
Avengers in the cast of Gorgon, you mean?
That is to say, existences that out of enmity seek the destruction of Humanity?

Gilgamesh
It is the reverse, O fair one.
The Evils of Humanity are not the Evils by which Humanity comes to destruction.
Rather, they are the Evils that Humanity shall come to destroy.
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>>4821516
desu personally I find greek approach to debate as means of finding the truth superior to roman approach where it is a battle where the goal is to determine a victor.
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>>4821523
It was the Greater Grail they stole, not the lesser. And I didn't see any indication they didn't get all of it. Amakusa and Sieg were the only people to get their wish as they wanted it from the Fuyuki Grail.

>>4821525
gachashit is cancer
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>>4821527
>The Evils of Humanity are, as the name implies, the Stigmata of Humanity -- the various Calamities positioned to enact the annihilation of Humanity.
>They accumulate strength in proportion to the advancement of humans, and are in essence as a cancer that consumes society from within.
To rephrase, they are as a stagnation within the current of the History of Humanity.
>The Evils of Humanity are not the Evils by which Humanity comes to destruction.
>Rather, they are the Evils that Humanity shall come to destroy.
Poetic language in general, but I don't see him saying that the Beasts NEED to be deafeated. Only that they WILL be defeated instead of destroying humanity.
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>>4821509
Also, Aylesbury is where Dead Apostles are trying to complete an AotG ritual because they can't go to Eden, Uriel would kick them in the cock if they tried there.

Sumeria, the cradle of actual Civilisation is located near Eden's supposed location between the Tigris and Euphrates intersection into the sea. This is also where Tiamat spawns from, the Mother of all Life in another texture.

Anyway I do want to talk to Gil, I think he'll find the plan kino and might have ideas where Eden's Gates are.
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>>4821532
Oh right yeah, I wrote the wrong thing.
I know it was the Greater.
They didn't get it all because I think her circuits were integrated into the land or something, and the Greater Grail wasn't meant to be removed.

>she allowed herself willingly to be sacrificed by allowing her body crushed via a large and heavy magical pillar and her blood flowed around the ground as the key to reenacting the ancient sorcery.
Zolgen just watched his waifu get put in the hydraulic press.
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>>4821534
Fou shows us you can defeat Beasts without firing a shot through BOOBA and talk no jutsu given the right circumstances. They're all obstacles to be overcome. If not for the positive aspects of Truth Vrita is an instant Beast too
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>>4821534
>Poetic language in general
Bruh.
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>>4821537
>If not for the positive aspects of Truth Vrita is an instant Beast too.
Yes, simply granting her emotions would've turned her into a Beast very quickly
Not sure I can get an update out before wagecaging myself
but what won?
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>>4821536
>>4821326

>>4821537
We need to tame Amaterasu so she doesn't Beast out too.
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>>4821540

>>I'd like to invite you to a feast tonight, but I have one condition.
>>Put Taiga back in control for the evening so she can enjoy herself once you're here safely, and keep her safe at all times otherwise. Don't you dare fail me on this, Alaya.
>>4820750
>>4820757
>>4820758 (+ "What are you doing? Are you personally intervening here?")
>>4820772 (+ Teleport her)
>>4820777

>...How...?
>I’m glad to hear you but please tell me Taiga is fine!
>Are you safe? And keeping Taiga safe?
>Would you want to come over for the feast I’m organizing? You could meet the white princess.
>>4821300
>>4821302
>>4821323
>>4821364
>>4821401

It's a tie, that I'm going to break right now by switching from >>4820757 to support >>4821300.

>>4821300 wins. We'll ask Alaya to put Taiga in control later.
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>>4821535
>Aylesbury is where Dead Apostles are trying to complete an AotG ritual
True
>because they can't go to Eden
Did you just come up with this to support your Eden autism? Because all I've read is that Aylesbury is the key to returning to the AoG because of some inherent property it has. Nothing at all to do with Eden.

>>4821536
Grandpa was a dumbfuck, yeah.

>>4821537
Yes, Fou was my example on why we didn't need to lean into Tiamat's beasthood to "defeat" her.

>>4821539
I'm not sure what you're trying to say or where you disagree with now.
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>>4821545
YWHW existing as the OG God means all of his mythos > everything else in potency

Aylesbury is a good second bet because mystery died in England last, so it's the closest chronologically
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>>4821540

looks like a tie between >>4820750

>>4820750
>>4820757
>>4820758
>>4820772
>>4820777
and >>4821300

>>4821300
>>4821302
>>4821323
>>4821364
>>4821401
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>>4821547
>Aylesbury is a good second bet because mystery died in England last, so it's the closest chronologically
Well, it's not a chronological thing. There is an access point to the Soul of the Planet there for some reason, according to Garden of Avalon and Last Encore iirc.
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>>4821550
Could that have contributed directly to britbongistani remaining such a strange magical place well into the age of man though?
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>>4821547
So you really did just come up with it to support your Eden autism. I say we stick with Aylesbury as our first choice, leave Eden and its recreation to autistic golem jews. We need to make sure the vamps don't fuck up this world's magic too.
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>>4821552
Supposedly all island nations and remote places were magical. It based on the fact that the vector through which the Human Order spreads is perception, observation and culture.

Isolated places thus were culturally isolated and through that metaphysically isolated. Japan, Britain, remote mountains etc. Australia is a ???, Antarctica is probably Outer God central because Prelati was set up there, etc.
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>>4821553
Go rank the mythos in Nasuverse in terms of actual potency and find where Capital G God sits, even from word of God stuff from nasu. Would it not stand to reason things directly related to his attempt at playing sandbox would have the highest potency and the greatest level of myth?

You're agreeing with Cain just fine but not the thing that even outdates him? That his direct parents were born into? That even a 13th century kike just trying to recreate out of clay manages to make strong enough that it can stalemate a LB king?
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>>4821555
The most we know outside of Clairvoyance memes are True Demon stuff from HA.

"Should its vital processes and the faculties that it holds as a Holy Grail come into direct junction, it would likely be able to give 'form' to the Miracle of "Magecraft" merely by the release of Prana.

The "Enfleshed Demons" (lit, "incarnated ma") spoken of by the Holy Church also follow this convention.
Those beings created as "Ma" before existing as organisms exercise a magecraft of an order beyond human ability.
The Thaumaturgical Circuits that Magi (we) bear are little more than spurious nerves -- fabricated in the shadow of the nerves that we possess as of existing as humans; a faculty extrinsically affixed.
However ――― "Ma" possess nothing so much as 'spurious nerves.'
To them, the entirety of their vital processes serve as faculties that exist for the purpose of calling forth "Ma."
It appears that the Holy Church refer to such beings as "True Demons".
Distinct from those imposters that clad themselves in the Ideations of Man and come into being via "Unit Designation", they are authentic "Demons" brought forth by the Lord, who were as they were before being Named by Man. "
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>>4821554
>Australia is a ???,
Australia is a monster-filled hellscape even in the magicless real world. I can only imagine how it would be in nasu.

>>4821555
We know Aylesbury is the key to changing the Age of Man. That's why the vamps are there, and why the fuck up magic in Extra. Planting our tree there will work for sure, and it will be something we shape from the beginning.

Eden is something else. It is paradise as God imagined it, not as WE imagine it. Even if it exists, even we find it, even if we get inside, even if it works, it will be better to do it OUR way and instead of God's way. A Perfect World of Our Own Creation is not Eden. Far from it.

I don't see what me agreeing we should offer salvation to Cain has anything to do with what we're discussing.
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>>4821556
Ma is "Something born from nature that distorts the flow of nature by unnecessary powers". Fairies, humans, oni, Demons, Magi.

Ma is also what is rendered as Demons not Akuma, I think.
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>>4821556
Interestingly, its possible demons are very much related to God.

Melty Blood Act Cadenza PS2 Manual - Dictionary: Executors [Term] says:

"However, according to the Church, humans do not have the authority to defeat demons, because even demons are the creations of God. The name "executor" comes from the fact that the executors transcend that teaching, and act as God's proxy on earth to stamp out heresy. "
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thar be dropbears
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>>4821561
I thought this was nothing new?

>Fate/hollow ataraxia - Heaven's Feel - 1/ Heaven Feel's Backnight I

>It appears that the Holy Church refer to such beings as "True Daemons"
>Distinct from those imposters that clad themselves in the Ideations of Man and come into being via "Unit Designation", they are authentic "Daemons" brought forth by the Lord, who were as they were before being Named by Man.
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"...How...?" You only have one word to say to Alaya first, and you hope that she can give you a reasonable explanation as to how she's taken Taiga's body. Never mind why she's taken it. Alaya isn't something that should be capable of possessing a body with it's own personality, after all. It's not meant to even have a true personality.

"Through you. When I decided to meet you, I... changed, somewhat. Despite being the sum of all humanity, when I met you, I personally became more 'human'-like. That was why I was capable of developing this... well, I suppose you could call it a true personality." Alaya explains things to you through the phone. "Though this is merely a fragment of my full power, I am controlling it with my full being." So that's how she managed it then? Because of you? "This is all thanks to you, that I can take this form... Though I needed it to be a mundane human body, for the sake of greatest compatibility. Those with Magic Circuits or unique abilities possessed only by them are beings I would be weakened in trying to act through." Oh, so that's why she used Taiga's body? You suppose that makes sense, despite Taiga's pretty abnormal luck and her skill with a sword, she's a normal human being, after all.

"I'm glad to hear from you, but could you please tell me that Taiga is fine?" You're worried about Taiga, and despite Alaya's assurances that she's not in any danger, you still want her to absolutely confirm that the woman isn't in danger like Illyasviel was in danger from Ishtar absorbing her soul.

"She's fine. I understand that you might be worried about this being the same sort of deal as what happened with that Mesopotamian Relic and the homunculus girl, but I couldn't subsume Miss Fujimura's soul even if I tried. After all, she's already a part of me, as are all humans. I could no sooner absorb her personality into my own as a normal human could absorb their heart into their bloodstream." Alaya calmly informs you that Taiga is in no danger. "Miss Fujimura will be completely fine, and I could even allow her personality to become dominant, if you don't believe me."

"Then... Are you safe? Are you keeping Taiga safe?" You realize that Alaya probably is keeping Taiga safe, considering that as an existence, her first priority is keeping humans safe. So the safety of her vessel should be her current highest priority, unless she was planning on using Taiga as a sacrifice, then you'd be having some stern words with the entity.
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"Even if I were to be slain, I would keep both myself safe, as well as Miss Fujimura's soul in perfect condition for physical restoration. You don't need to worry about that. I wouldn't allow this woman you care about to be slain. As for actually keeping her safe physically, I've not put myself in any true danger at all, and with the Orochi Situation, I mostly had no choice but to observe from a distance... You saw what happened when he managed to take a bite out of the True Ancestor, right?" Alaya asks rather rhetorically. Just how much is she aware of? Anything that a human observes? Her awareness probably doesn't extend to anything you observe, but even so, it's a transcendent form of Clairvoyance in its own right, to have that sort of ability to rely on. To see anything any human sees. To know anything any human knows. Alaya taking physical form is a truly tremendous event, yet in the circumstances, it doesn't even feel like much. Not to you, at least. Medea is making some pretty alarmed faces right now though.

"That's good... Say, would you want to come over for the feast that I'm organizing? You could meet the White Princess!" You say cheerfully. Alaya is just as affable to you as it was when you met it in your dream, it seems, and it makes you want to protect it. More so now that it is in Taiga's body, who you wanted to keep safe anyway. You wonder just how aware Taiga is of things going on around her now, or if everything seems like a dream or something. You know that Alaya won't suppress Taiga's existence, by her own words, but Taiga being aware of everything... Well, it may not be the best thing.

Alaya surprisingly starts giggling over the end of the phone. "Seriously? You find out that I've taken form as a human, and the first thing you do is invite me over for dinner?" The giggling entity stops laughing after a time. "I'll be there in an hour. Tell Sasaki to stop slacking, or whatever it is that he's doing. Make him peel potatoes or something. See you soon, beloved." Alaya proceeds to cut the call there. Well, this won't cause any problems. Definitely not.

"Master... who... was that really...?" Medea looks dumbfounded, and you look at her with a neutral face.

>"Yes, that was Alaya, the will of humanity."
>"I think I may have caused Alaya to fall for me."
>"I don't think I need to tell you."
>"It was Shirou's future boss and current guardian figure."
>"EMIYA is going to have a stroke."
>Write-in...
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Well, Alaya is here, based.
I wonder if they'll keep not believing we also spoke to God.
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>>4821571
>"Yes."
>"We met when I used my abilities on Shiki to help him with his rampant mystic eyes and she confronted me about it."
>"She offered me a job but I promised I'll protect her regardless. I think she may have taken liking to me."

my avatar of collective human unconscious can't possibly be this cute... well it seems she knows just what to do to be on our good side anyway.

Let's go look for Touko then? After we're done catching Medea up.
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>>4821571
>"You can call me whatever you want instead of just Master. You know that, don't you, my cute witch wife?"
>"Yes, that was Alaya, the will of humanity."
>"We met when I used my abilities on Shiki to help him with his rampant mystic eyes and she confronted me about it."
>"She offered me a job but I promised I'll protect her regardless."
>"I think I may have caused Alaya to fall for me."
>"EMIYA is going to have a stroke."

That was a fast update.

>>4821577
I don't see how they could possibly not believe anything we might tell them at this point

>>4821581
We still need to call Miyako. Touko and Medusa are right after.
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>>4821556
We have an idea from certain artefacts. Look at the potency of the Lance, and the whole concept of the Holy Grail that nasuverse autism was founded around.

People who merely walked beside Christ for a short period of time like Martha learning a single degraded martial arts technique and stomping a dragon bare handed as an otherwise normal human compared to the martial feats of people from her time like Caesar, someone with Divine heritage at the head of Rome or Spartacus, the symbol of Rebellion etc.

>>4821557
I'm not saying Aylesbury is bad, I'm saying there may be a more potent alternative. Dead Apostles couldn't hope to get past Uriel, his sword deletes them.

Also, we're going to want to make a trip to Eden regardless, we need samples of the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Wisdom for our Tree anyway. We can see if it's suitable when we go
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>>4821585
And I'm saying Eden would be bad for a number of reasons. Even if it's more potent. Uriel is irrelevant, the vamps shouldn't want to go into Eden in the first place.

But I suppose you're right we'll be going there anyway to loot its natural resources.
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>>4821585
>Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Wisdom
Arent the two big ones the Tree of and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
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>>4821589
Tree of Life for the first one.
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>>4821589
You're right.

>Genesis 2:9
>And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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>>4821589
oopsie wrong tree, but either or, it's an ancient powerful tree, it gets blended in with the others.

Are we going to chop up Ainnash for research too?
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>>4821596
That doesn't really sound like a good idea. At all.
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>>4821596
At max we can take its fruit as its super magical energy.
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>>4821597
Ainnash has use for drawing in lifeforce to sustain the plant, we can drain other things like useless timelines with it?

Or should we just leave the living vampire forest to it's own devices?

Also, I swear I remember reading Angels ate one fruit while humans ate another, but everything I can find says Adam/Eve ate both the tree of life for extended lifespan and the knowledge fruit when tempted, being the Original Sin.

Also, can anyone find whether or not Adam and Eve were derobed of their Robes of Light from Kabbalist tradition when they were expelled from Paradise? Those robes might still be in the garden where they were left.

They're made of the female Leviathan's hide so they're incredibly potent defensively and are /fa/ as fuck
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>>4821605
>Rabbinical tradition taught that, following his transgression, “Adam. lost his [heavenly] clothing-God stripped it off him,”15 and similarly that Eve “was stripped of the righteousness in which [she] had been clothed.”16

They should be still in the garden unless YHWH took them back to his wardrobe.

Now.. who would get to wear Eve's set?
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>>4821605
>Or should we just leave the living vampire forest to it's own devices?
Just burn it. We need nothing from it and we have no reason to keep it around. If our plant needs to eat lifeforce to sustain itself, we failed before we even started.

I am not well versed enough in Kaballah to go digging, I just know default Judeochristian mythology is different from what you're describing.
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>>4821609
Is that related to this?

https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1764205/jewish/Robes-of-Royalty.htm
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Also if we want a concept for a female at some point

>Shekinah

>(in Jewish and Christian theology) the glory of the divine presence, conventionally represented as light or interpreted symbolically (in Kabbalism as a divine feminine aspect).

Any women for Divine/Light aspects

Pollux?

>>4821612
Kaballah is cooler.
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I wonder if our Tree will turn into a qt Dryad wife.
Can we get our tree pregnant?
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>>4821615
The Shekinah is more the dwelling place of God as the feminine principle, compared to the Atzmus, and is high on the Tree of Life/the Spiritual Worlds, isnt it/she?
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>>4821616
Would you a plant?
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>>4821616
Of courshe.

We can also make Uriel's sword a girl as it's an independent Divine Entity

>Scholars have variously interpreted the sword as a weapon of the cherubim, as lightning, as a metaphor, as an independent divine being

>>4821613
Yep, and similar to what Moses was clothes in when he descended from Sinai. You get clothed in light after earning favour from God. But the original set were actual pysical objects crafted from the female of the pair of Leviathans, the most powerful of the primordial beasts out of the ziz/behemoth/leviathan set.

>After killing the female Leviathan, Yahweh used the skin from her corpse to create a beautiful canopy. It is known that the Leviathan has one of the most beautiful skins of all Yahweh’s creatures, making this canopy especially exquisite. Under the canopy, a feast made of the flesh from the beast lays on a table. It is said that when the righteous are taken to Paradise in the rapture, they will sit down with Yahweh under this canopy and feast upon the flesh of both Leviathans and of Behemoth.

>Yahweh also used the remaining skin of the Leviathan female and used it to make ‘Garments of Light’ for Adam and Eve.
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>>4821615
>Kaballah is cooler.
Just another jewish trick
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We're going to out-tree Overgrowth at this rate.

>>4821621
Marry YHWH

>[W]hile sin and disobedience had not yet come on the scene, they were clad in that glory from above which caused them no shame. But after the breaking of the law, then entered the scene both shame and awareness of their nakedness. (Louth, Conti and Oden, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament I, Genesis 1-11 2001, 72)

So Sin or awareness/shame disqualifies you from wearing the clothes? They're empowered by belief maybe?

>>4821624
It's better for autism and magic
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>In a different vein of "study", nearly 1500 years later, Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich had an extensive and very vivid personal revelation in which she described Adam and Eve as clothed in light.

>They were like two unspeakably noble and beautiful children, perfectly luminous. and clothed with beams of light as with a veil. From Adam's mouth I saw issuing a broad stream of glittering light, and upon his forehead was an expression of great majesty. Around his mouth played a sunbeam, but there was none around Eve's. I saw Adam's heart very much the same as in men of the present day, but his breast was surrounded by rays of light. In the middle of his heart, I saw a sparkling halo of glory.

I've misplaced my Chad Revelation/Dream vs virgin peer reviewed research image
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>>4821626
We have more mirrors than Awakening Mirror too, thanks to Tamamo.
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>>4821624
Wait until I break out Thelema and Theosophy
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>>4821629
I want to lick Helena
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>>4821629
Should probably summon Helena and Avicebron at some point for all this autism.

I don't trust Crowley in the slightest.

Avicebron would absolutely cum if we mentioned this stuff to him, and his Golems could tend to the plants so no one has to be a wageslave ever again
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>>4821630
I absorbed too much actual occult shit since all the Lessons of Vivec and TES autism I started with .
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>>4821633
sorry for your loss
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>>4821632
>I don't trust Crowley in the slightest.
Just ask Alaya what he was like lmao
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>>4821628
Was there a single mirror of relevance? My brain deletes painful memories to cope
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>>4821635
He's left her behind, JACKED TO THE TITS on Thelema, he's busy jacking off Aiwass in his Ars Paulina-lite edition waiting for some good goy to beacon him down with a summons

Index ruined any chace I ever had of trusting him not to just be another Merlin but worse Beast candidate
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>>4821636
The mirror was metaphorical.
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My ID is cup.
I am the grail.
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>>4821640
the mirror was the lolis groomed and birdwives we ryona'd along the way

>captcha stairs

tumbling down
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>>4821639
Love under Will is just Origin Awakening and Aeons are Age shit.
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>>4821642
cute and funny anon
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>>4821571
>>4821582
Support
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>>4821644
idk how I missed the Thelema connections when I was shilling Aeon for Mo a few threads back
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>>4821643
The Awakening was waking up from being beaten up by everyone Alberich ended up fighting.
Also we're technically a rider of Pegasus.
We should ride him with Medusa at some point.
Then we should ride Medusa.
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>>4821571
>"How would you feel about Concept of Fate after we Stay a Night?"
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>>4821648
Seeing as WhatIs refused to accept my Chrysaor shilling way back he'll just have to make him ourselves, and finally have a Son
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>>4821651
>Chrysaor (Greek: Χρυσάωρ, Chrysáor, gen.: Χρυσάορος, Chrysáoros; English translation: "He who has a golden sword" (from χρυσός, "golden" and ἄορ, "sword")

Truthchadlet
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>>4821651
Inb4 Chrysaor is a Medusaface
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>>4821651
Sakura is giving us three sons.
She's a good girl.
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>>4821653
he'll be a wakameface with his mother's eyes

>>4821654
but TWO DAUGHTERS
https://youtu.be/w8-cjd5cdIU
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>>4821632
>Avicebron
Nigga, he wants to bring Eden to his people and the world with his golem. Let's not summon the golem autist who hates human, he will NOT go along with our plans.

>>4821633
>TES autism
This is part of the reason I'm so worried about us zerosumming people with the Truth.

>>4821651
No tentacle monsters for sons. Bad nigga.

>>4821654
Yes she is anon. Yes she is.
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>>4821666
Thats not how Zero-summing works. Unless you yourself experience in a manner the truth, just being told wont mean shit.

"Stand in the presence of God " where "Theory and Terror are useless" etc.
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Who has the greater ability to delet?
Us or Buddha?
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>>4821666
He's pretty much reformed entirely as of LB1. We'll meet him in Russia when we go there to steal the tree regardless

also

>was often depicted as a young man

>>4821668
Buddha's story is complete, the seaweed has only just begun. The CULTIVATION hasn't even commenced yet
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>>4821667
Just being told is not enough, no, but it can start you on the path to self-destruction.
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>>4821668
Us. Buddha can Cull an entire Tree, but Akasha deleting someone is infinitely more infinite.
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>>4821670
You cannot find this Truth yourself though, unlike the Tower/Wheel/I.
The limit of these people is Akasha, which is not even high enough to glimpse the merest edge of it.
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>>4821669
>He's pretty much reformed entirely as of LB1
He shouldn't be. He died regretting only that he wouldn't get to see the paradise he was bringing to his people. He should not want to reform.

I hate gachashit so fucking much.
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Do you think there were some worlds where Roa was good?
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>>4821675
>spoiler
Salt
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>>4821675
LB1 was almost ok

It had plenty of good characters too. Like a solid 6/10 overall
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Give Nyrla concept you cowards
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Void Shiki when?
>"Kuudere Root not so Kuu since being molested."
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>>4821679
JK
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>>4821680
Void Manaka with actual new Void personality
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>>4821688
Manaka is already Void Manaka.
Her connection is just one that didn't give her braindeath from birth.
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What's stopping Void Shiki from showing up anyway?
I'm assuming she doesn't exist in our world.
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>>4821695
She doesn't care. She knows everything, and is bored of everything. She spends her time slumbering and letting Shiki at the wheel. That's why she created the other two personalities in the first place, so she could go to sleep without anyone bothering her.
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>>4821697
Manaka was also a know everything type and look how that turned out around us.
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>>4821697
We molested the Root though, and she shouldn't know everything thanks to our existence.
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>>4821698
Yeah, Manaka found a reason to care. Unfortunately.
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>>4821697
Also afaik, the two personalities were made by the Ryougi arts somehow? As Shiki was basically stillborn due to the [] Origin, and Void is something weird like the "personality of the Body" and also the rift between the Liangyi/Ryougi of Yin and Yang.
Shes not a brain personality smehow, which is why Araya wants to transplant his brain into Shiki and grasp the Root like that.
Otherwise taking the brain out would also remove Void.
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>>4821699
Probably still not enough for her to care unless we start messing with Shiki, Kokutou and the happy life they're living with their little daughter.
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>>4821701
Shiki was braindead in the womb. Ryougi arts were what awakened [Shiki] as a body personality. She then immediately knew everything, including what the Ryougi wanted out of her. So she gave it to them, created the two brain personalities, and went to sleep.
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>>4821702
She has Independent Manifestation.
She might just hijack our next summon to meet us.
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>>4821706
She's living a few towns over. There are way easier ways to meet us if she wants. Touko could even provide an introduction if we want to meet her, both Shiki and Kokutou used to work for her.
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>>4821709
Touko had a really weird reason to move on iirc.
Something about how she felt she was growing actually attached to them as people, and that's not a good thing when you're a magus on the run from a Sealing Designation/a magus in general.
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>>4821711
Our Shishou has autism!
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>>4821716
christmas cake staple
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>>4821717
Do you think she'll mellow out if we put a baby inside her?
Do you think Shinji inherited his mom's breeder trait?
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>>4821717
>christmas cake staple
Do we want to concept Touko with something? I'd suggest something that helps her research into the Original Human body that she had to abandon due to modern humans being shit, or something to help her reach the Third Magic? Though Illya may be the one who gets that, so I think OG Human is better direction.
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>>4821724
I bet she studied Shota Shinji's body a whole lot.
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>>4821571
>>4821582
+1.
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>>4821729
Yeah, she vivisected us more than once.
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>Taiga is now Redman's boss.
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>>4821733
Not for long, we're asking her to fire him soon.
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>>4821732
She did it out of love.
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>>4821732
We ended up in regen-vorecity anyway, whats a little vivisection between master and apprentice?
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>>4821735
And if she says no?
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>>4821741
We concept Redman with Freedom or something.
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>>4821741
She won't.
I'm sure she won't have problems parting with the suicide bomber girl either.
She got an eternal dragon guardian.
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>>4821738
I wonder when we build Kur which vorefu is going to go all the way to swallow and digest Shinji first.
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>>4821746
Okita Alter is one use anyway, so its not like Alaya would lose a lot from her perspective.
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>>4821747
Satsuki.

She will still be crying by the time we return to comfort her.
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Give Alaya custom made body and concept it with Humanity for perfect synchronization between terminal Alaya and mainframe Alaya
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>>4821750
>Actually making Type-Humanity
Cool.
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>>4821741
We killed the Beast for her. We're doing jannie work for her and we're doing it for free. There's no way she says no to her beloved.

>>4821746
That too, yeah.
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>>4821748
Why don't we ask for her over dinner?
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>>4821756
Probably just ask for her as a package with Redman? Being that we only know and care about them amongst CGs
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>>4821756
Though actually I just remembered something. Doesn't her CE say she doesn't mind being a Counter Guardian, and actually likes it?

We may just ask for an instance summoning from Alaya instead of booting her out.
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to be honest, seeing as she has an actual personality now maybe she will begin treating the jannies better on her own volition.

Although maybe with baby steps if having Sasaki peel potatoes is of any indication.
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>>4821758
She can always reapply for a more long term assignment once we unfuck her insides.
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>>4821414
>giving a concept to humanity
You fucking nigger.
It better be Based and Redpilled
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>>4821758
What I'm talking about is this:
Narrator is her sword.

"A sword said to be wielded by a nameless Heroic Spirit.

She split off from a certain Heroic Spirit, and was tasked to fight for eternity as a Guardian for humans.
It is not known whether this fate was a curse or if it was indeed her wish.

Whatever the case, it seems like she was enjoying herself despite the endless battle. She must have been, since she liked to give names to attacks she claimed to be ultimate moves. But come on, show some mercy to the one always by her side. Quit throwing me!

Speaking as the one who she's wielded, and who has been by her side for so long now, I once accidentally asked if she ever got tired of all this.
Her completely serious, even deadpan response was, "Are you tired of it?" I was about to say that I was actually getting sick of it, but when she started to look sad, I said, "Not really," without thinking. Crap."
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>>4821757
We'll also ask about Saber's contract, but it probably already dissolved when she got engaged. Who knew Mordred would be so far-sighted?

>>4821758
We can have Alaya give Okita the option. Up to her whether she'll take it.

>>4821761
Yeah, baby steps.
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>>4821763
Just ask for Alaya to let us do some consultation work (conceptual fuckery) with her, then. With the payment being a summoning of an instance of her?
She'd be pretty useful anyway, as she can destroy weird shit like the Maxwell's Demon iirc.
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>>4821571
also switching to this >>4821582
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>>4821752
She gets cool gift, Shinji gets jannie support team for it and Taiga get full body control
Gotta french Arc so Gaia would not feel left out
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>>4821582
+1
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Nobunaga is sort of her friend, suposedly named her sword "Purgatory". She might be happy to see her.
Even if she'd still like being a CG, we could use her help, and she might enjoy sticking around for a while.
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>>4821776
Its like a job and a vacation in one.
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>>4821774
We were planning to talk to Alaya in our next dream, but since she's here we should go say hello to Gaia in person. I imagine she'll have words.

>>4821776
And she'd only be doing her job if she sticks with us for the next week.
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>>4821765
>endless cycle of murder and assassination
>enjoys it
FGO writing strikes again.
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>>4821778
>"I love dragons and snakes too!"
>t. Gaia
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>>4821780
Normal Okita seems to do well with the whole murder-police thing anyway.
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>>4821781
>summoned by Gaia in dream
>no discussion
>only Snakes and Ladders.
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>>4821783
Yeah but the endless cycle should be enough to break anyone.
Depends how often she's summoned though, I suppose.
Cutting down dozens of seemingly innocent people should break most people unless they were already pure evil.
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>>4821787
Afaik the Shinsengumi took part in assassinations such as just walking into someone's house, killing everyone and walking out.
Okita may have just been naturally attuned to such a lifestyle, given that and her type Redline behaviour.
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>>4821790
But it's never anything other than that. It's an endless cycle of nothing but murder.
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>>4821780
>>4821783
If I remember right she was dying and the prayers of her sister allowed Alaya to make her a CG to stop her death.
She's kind of a chunni, her NP is called "Zekken Mukyusandan", but she sometimes forgets it and says "Miss Majin-San Beam!" or "Something Something Awesome Beam!".
Her animations are all very exagerated, she flash steps instead of walking, sword beams, slides with her huge shoes and all that.
Basically, she just likes doing cool, exagerated anime shit.
Also she fucking hates Gacha.
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>>4821794
>Also she fucking hates Gacha.
I like her already.
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>>4821793
Her mats say this:

"Since she was tailored to the purpose of manifesting only once and either annihilating her target or going down with them, she’s lacking in human emotions unnecessary for combat."

So, it could be this?

Wiki gives an uncited line of:

"She is more emotionless than normal due to her support from the Counter Force, but her roots as Okita remain the same. She takes on a "hitman attitude that will kill anything", "
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>>4821795
>"Something I dislike, huh. There's nothing in particular. ...No, there is. The other day, I took part in a raffle at a store, but everything was a blank. There was nothing I wanted before taking part in that, but drawing nothing but blanks was really mortifying in reality. Frustrating even."
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Which concepted Servant fucks up the singularity/lostbelt they are featured in the most?
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>>4821801
Chiyome, from what people have been saying.
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>>4821802
If Time Mordred is summoned she fucks shit up too.
Argo-chan in Atlantis is also a strong contender.
>>4821799
So she's mind of steel by default?
Sad.
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>>4821802
The concept only apply in the modern times when we ourself applies them, right?

So Liberation Enkidu won't bust out of the underworld in Uruk, but maybe Gil's across the timeline would see with their SNI that Enkidu will be alive again in modern times?
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>>4821803
>So she's mind of steel by default?
She grows attached and shit pretty quickly and has fun, so its mostly lack of stimulus. Growing up being part of a weapon and knowing that you'll continue it afterwards forever, I guess?
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>>4821803
>Okita Alter also cares deeply for her master for “granting her a life that should have never been possible”. She has expressed her gratitude multiple times in the My Room Lines for everything her master has given her. But besides these three things, and a wish to wear clothes like Berserker Nobu, she holds most other things and people at a rather neutral opinion.
So if we free her we're looking at a Chiyome situation again.
She's still regular Okita, she just needs time and people around her to chill out.
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>>4821803
Argo-chan is the gift that keeps on giving.

>>4821804
Yeah, WhatIs said concepts apply only from the moment we applied them forward. Time King Mordred will probably be able to do something for Enkidu though.
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>>4821806
Ah, good. We'll just try to have them both lessen the loyalty autism in the future. And we need people to head our efforts to fight spooks in the future.
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>>4821808
Time King Mo dabbing on Rhongomyniad when???
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>>4821810
>We'll just try to have them both lessen the loyalty autism in the future.
Oh yeah, Diarmuid will probably be the same thing, especially after we have Chiyome headpat him.
Loyalty is one hell one a drug.
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For Singularities, it's possible that concepts might be applied once Chaldea/we enter them.
Argo-chan derails Okeanos and crushes Medea Lily lmao.
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>>4821818
Just concept Medea Lily lmao
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>>4821818
>Singularities all ruined after singularity villains immediately start simping to us the moment we show up.
T-pose on Goetsia.
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>>4821815
I think Diarmuid would be a great candidate for the new Knights of the Round Table. Mordred will probably want to reestablish them.
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>Salter in Singularity-F turns into Obeithion
>stops Olga from being put into Chaldea.
Lol?
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If we break Rama's curse do we get ETERNAL LOYALTY from him too?
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>>4821833
We still don't know whats up with Olga and Singularity F so its still ????
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>>4821835
Probably
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>>4821836
Concept everyone in Sing F
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>>4821835
And Sita too.
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>>4821836
We can just show up and bring Eresh to fix ghost Olga.
GG Lev.
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Who are some other cursed servants we can easily get LOYALTY from?
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>>4821852
Brynhild?
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>>4821852
Jeanne, after we tell her we spoke to God.
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>>4821858
It hurts.
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>>4821859
Does burning at the stake have the same catch 22 as drowning in that if you survive it you are proven guilty and killed anyway?
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>>4821877
It might actually prove the opposite, if you survive being burned at the stake.
Pretty sure that burning shit had holy PURGING FIRE connotations, so surviving it might actually prove that you're truly speaking for God, or something.
Also, what won?
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>>4821880


>>4821582
This did
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>>4821880
>"You can call me whatever you want instead of just Master. You know that, don't you, my cute witch wife?"
>"Yes, that was Alaya, the will of humanity."
>"We met when I used my abilities on Shiki to help him with his rampant mystic eyes and she confronted me about it."
>"She offered me a job but I promised I'll protect her regardless."
>"I think I may have caused Alaya to fall for me."
>"EMIYA is going to have a stroke."
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At least Casca wasn't a potato.
Damn it.
At least we got off the boat.
Let this be a lesson.
When you start writing a story, don't procrastinate finishing it for 32 FUCKING years
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>>4821893
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>>4821893
He had massive health problems cause mangaka schedules is inhuman
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>>4821899
Berserk was a monthly release though?
Like, the WSJ mangaka take on four times the workload.
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>>4821900
His schedule still sounds absurd from how he talks about it
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>>4821899
Jesus that's terrible.
At least now he can play imas all he wants up there
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>>4821900
for how much details are fit into every panel of berserk, and how many chapters there were, I'd call that inhuman.

poor guy went out too fast, I wish he could've been around for longer
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Guts/Griffith servant summon for next Carnival?
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>wake up after sleeping for 13 hours
>miura is dead
What the actual fuck, can the world stop making me sad?
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>>4821893
Honestly, if i was him i would have some document with the outline of a ending and how to get there in case i died.
Reminds me of that Osamu Tezuka manga that he never finished because he died.
>Tezuka was 60 when he died
Fucking hell, they die young or what
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>>4821976
he pretty much groomed his assistants to take over just in case, I think he knew he wasn't gonna make it and needed a Plan B, explains why the art is so different recently, it might've been mostly his assistants
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>>4821976
>>>/a/222489242
Apparently yes, my guess is fucked up lifestyle on average.
(like not getting enough sleep, you reading this QM?)
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>>4821990
You can't make me sleep.
Sleeping means the reaper is free to take you.
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>>4822008
being awake just means you get to see him
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>>4822015
I can fight him.
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>>4822019
ok Teddy Roosevelt
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>>4822019
But can you beat him?
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>>4822019
Famous last words
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>>4822019
you can't break those cuffs.
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>>4822019
By challenging him to a game of CATAN?
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>>4822025
Nah, I'm going to challenge him to a game of Yahtzee.
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You turn to look at Medea now that you've finished speaking with Alaya, before you lightly sigh, something has been bothering you. "You know you can call me whatever you want, instead of just using Master all the time, right? My cute witch wife?" You say with a slight smile as you affectionately call her a name that under usual circumstances she would hate, but it seems like it has the opposite effect when you say it, your gamble based on the fact that she seemed to be happy to allow Alítheia to call her a witch in a similar name seems to have paid off. Well, that and...

"W-w-wife? We... We're not married yet, you know?!" Seems like you calling her 'wife' has really managed to catch her off guard, and she almost forgets what exactly she was so stunned about just moments before you spoke. The emotions rushing through her body at being referred to as your wife apparently managed to catch her completely off guard and almost made her lose all composure.

"We may as well be, Medea." You smirk. "But that's not the point right now, I just feel like it would be better if you were to start calling me by my name. While I certainly don't have anything against being referred to as Master, don't you think that it would be good for us to use each other's names when we speak with one another?" You ask in a charming tone, you'd much prefer to be on a first name basis with Medea that is shared between the two of you. There's not like there's much point in calling her by her class name anymore, not with the amount of Casters living in your house already. Morgan, Merlin, Paracelcus, Tamamo...

"I... suppose that's what I'll do from now on then, Shinji...!" Caster seems somewhat excited to be given permission to use your name instead of just 'Master' all the time. Honestly, she didn't need permission at all, but... well, you suppose you can't fault her for acting like this. Honestly, even many Servants who were kings in their previous lives respect the contract between a Servant and a Master, at least in some way. Their are of course very few Servants you could actually treat like servants and order around to do menial tasks, but in general, unless you summon an egomaniac like Gil, they'll at least respect the one who summoned them.
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"Good, as to your other question, yes, that was indeed Alaya, the will of humanity." Medea goes quiet now, clearly waiting for you to elaborate a little more on your relationship with the unconscious will of mankind. "See, we met back in Misaki Town, in one of my dreams. I used my abilities on Shiki to help him get his rampant Mystic Eyes under control, and because the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception have a vague connection to the Root, Alaya herself appeared to me in a dream to confront me about it." It's funny, that despite being the combined will of humanity itself, equal in power to a combined number of countless branched Alaya, your meeting with the will doesn't even seem that impressive. Not with the fact that you've met both Nyarlathotep and God himself. While Alaya is of course unbelievably powerful, and with a will of it's own, should be more than capable of personally manifesting to crush threats to Humanity, it's still not exactly that impressive when compared with beings far beyond the current humanity. Also, you can't help but imagine that all this personal manifestation is new for Alaya, and that she is yet to be able to bring her full power to bear through a body. Especially through a body like Taigas which despite being athletic, isn't... well the greatest host for Alaya. But then again, you can't imagine any single host would be. Perhaps if there were somebody like Adam or Eve around, Alaya could use them to manifest her full power?

"I see... But... Why would Alaya show up to you here? And... Why are you referring to it in the feminine sense?" Medea doesn't seem to understand just why you keep referring to the combined will of humanity as a woman, but you guess that's just your own preferences shining through?

"Force of habit, I guess? Well, Alaya has taken the body of a human for her manifestation, so it's not like it's incorrect for me to refer to her as a girl, even if she technically doesn't have a true sex." Considering that Alaya is the combination of every single human being to ever exist, pinning down an actual classification for male or female is genuinely impossible, though it's really up to however you feel like referring to her. As an entity that is both, either male or female works to classify her... At least that's what you think. Now that Alaya has developed a more human-like set of emotions and is no longer merely a nearly autonomous system, at least. "As for why she showed up here...? After she finished her light scolding about the Root, she actually offered me a job."
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"A job...? Like a contract with the world? Surely not as a Counter Guardian, and... you didn't accept, did you?" Medea has just a tiny amount of fear in her voice. Worry about what you might have ended up agreeing to from the will of mankind. While Alaya isn't like the Gods, in that it exists only for the sake of humanity rather than having its own wants and desires, it can still be callous towards life. Even if everything it does stems from a wish to protect humanity and therefore a wish to protect its own continued existence.

"I'd rather not become a janitor forced to clean up messes made by somebody else for eternity, so no, it wasn't a job offer for being a Counter Guardian. Alaya probably knew that I'd turn her down if she made an offer like that, instead she made a different offer." Medea looks at you in anticipation, waiting for you to finish speaking. "She offered me the chance to become the 'Beast of Alaya' or something like that. I turned her down." Medea is hiding whatever surprise she might be feeling right now, waiting for you to go on. "Regardless though, I promised that I'd protect her no matter what happened." Seriously, it's funny. While you don't care about singular humans, you managed to end up caring a great deal about the gestalt being formed of all humans. Then again, it's similar for Alaya herself. She doesn't care for singular humans, only for the greater good of humanity. Which is why it's quite interesting that she has gone out of her way to guarantee Taiga's continued existence. "By doing that... I think I might have actually managed to get the combined will of humanity to uh... to fall for me."

Medea is staring at you, silence fills the room. "You've got to be kidding." Medea almost breaks her normally composed character to say a line of complete disbelief. The words coming out of your mouth being almost completely unbelievable. Though at the same time, it is impossible for them to be anything but true. Alaya referred to you alone as 'beloved'.
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"It was an accident. How was I supposed to know how Alaya was going to react to somebody that caused her to take a human form and personality like that?" Seriously, you would've expected her to have reacted in a completely different way to how she ended up reacting, but instead, you've somehow managed to accidentally seduce the entire combined will of humanity. "I don't quite know how I'm going to deal with this, Medea." It's of course a problem. Even with the agreement for you to have a more open relationship with multiple girls, you somehow feel like seducing the will of mankind isn't... the best way to go about a happy romantic life. Oh well, if Alaya loves you, then you suppose you won't have any choice but to take responsibility for your own actions, even if it sounds completely insane. Then one last thing comes to mind. "...EMIYA is going to have a stroke." Not only is his boss, or at least this unbranching timeline's version of his boss, present, but she's also in the body of Taiga Fujimura. A proper double whammy for Archer, you're sure. Medea is probably under the impression that you're talking about Shirou though.

>"I should probably go warn him and his father about this..."
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
>"Medea, can you just teleport her to us now?"
>Write-in...
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>>4822066
>>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
I sure hope Alaya is not overestimating her- erm, themselves.
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>>4822066
>"I should probably go warn him and his father about this..."
Somehow I'm more worried about Kerry doing some stupid shit then Redman.
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>>4822066
>>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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>>4822066
>>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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>>4822066
>Call Alan
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>>4822066
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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>>4822092
Now i want to call him to the dinner
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>>4822066
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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We also should have shinji give miura immortality so he can finish berserk.
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>>4822066
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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>>4822105
Past the isekai cutoff. But he'll be able to finish it in the Garden.
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>>4822114
I mean, berserk was already a thing, he can do it just to be sure, not because he seem miura die.
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>>4822105
>>4822123
Shinji wouldn't know.
Past the time he got transported
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Gonna call?
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>>4822114
I think its very safe to guess that a mangaka will die young
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>>4822066
We need to wife the will of humanity.
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>>4822134
Calling in 10.
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>>4822152
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."

Wins.
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What won?
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>>4822163
too slow
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>>4822163
Chiyome'd.
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>>4822130
Yes, i know, but that dont mean he wouldnt want to do it with the hiatus and shit.
Memes of miura dying before finishing it been going for years.
He don't need to know miura died before finishing it.
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>>4822066
>"They can find out when Taiga comes here, I need to call Miyako first."
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>>4822163
You should definitely run a Berserk quest after this
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>>4822272
Berserk Isekai or just straight up Berserk?
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>>4822276
Boat Simulator Quest
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>>4822276
Beat for beat retread of Berserk with twenty two oc waifus.
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>>4822276
Either is fine man i just want to see one.
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>>4822276
OC Apostle
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>>4822276
So if you run a Berserk quest, can we pants the witches?
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>>4822276
Berserk inspired
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>>4822304
If you end up on Elf Island, but that'll require ten years on a boat.
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"Ah well, they can find out when Taiga gets here. No way in hell am I going to explain to a room full of Emiyas that Taiga is currently serving as the host for Alaya." Seriously, you don't even know how Kiritsugu feels about EMIYA, never mind that the girl who reminded him of a dear childhood friend of his has ended up as the host for a controlled fraction of all of humanity. Honestly, of all the people, Taiga? You suppose that it makes sense that Alaya would pick a normal human being, true, but why somebody who you knew? She could have just as easily have picked some random off the street to serve as her host. Then again, it might've been exactly because of your connection to Taiga that she ended up picking the woman. After all, almost every other person that you consider near your heart that Alaya could've chosen as her host were pretty much already helping you out, and you kind of doubt that she'd even be able to choose a wielder of True Magic or a host of a Beast as her own host anyway. Touko almost certainly has anti-possession countermeasures in her body, homunculi likely aren't viable targets... Hmmph. Taiga may well have been the only viable target who was also a female. Well, with the exception of perhaps Ciel, you suppose, but you doubt possessing Ciel would've been a good idea either. You aren't quite sure how her immortality would interact with possession by Alaya, nor her connection to the now-nonexistent Roa. It's possible that she too was considered too much of a risk. Of course, it also makes sense that the closer a target is to a 'normal' human, the more compatible they are anyway, and your allies are all very much one in a million oddities at minimum.

"That's fine, but be prepared to defuse the situation if it takes a turn for the worse. If you feel like explaining things to them would be difficult now, it will only end up more difficult in the future." Medea gives you some wise words of advice, and you nod. While the words are well-meaning and indeed true, it's not something you feel like is really your problem. It's Alaya who took Taiga's body for her own purposes, and you didn't tell her to do so. No, it'll be a nice surprise for the Emiyas.

"It's not something I feel like I have to explain anyway. It was Alaya's choice to interfere personally, after all." Honestly, you're not making more problems for yourself, and Alaya is a big girl, she can figure out her problems by herself. You don't need to treat her with the kid gloves considering that she has the combined knowledge and experiences of every human ever to exist already. Even if she's new to actually having a personality to wield that knowledge with, it doesn't mean that she's going to actually need your help when it comes to conversing with other humans... right? "Anyway, I need to call Miyako now, I still need to give her her invite." You once again begin to dial on the phone, quickly entering Miyako's number and waiting for the girl to pick up.
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"Yo." Annoyingly enough, it's Wukong who picks up instead of Miyako, and you can barely hold yourself back from sighing in irritation. For as much as you've been trying to befriend Miyako and get along with her, Wukong has very much been a thorn in your side. "Miyako is busy right now, so I'm taking the call." You look over to Medea, who merely shrugs, having seen the two of them by each others side a few minutes ago.

"Is that so?" You've really managed to get off on the wrong foot with Wukong, and while they are pretty clearly kind of stupid, it's pretty evident that the only reason they are acting so hostile towards you is out of concern for Miyako. Who knew that it would be so difficult to get the Monkey to actually like you? "Well, that's fine, I did want to talk to you anyway, Wukong." You freely use the Servants True Name, not really giving a crap about the True Name secrecy thing anymore. Besides, anybody could discern who Wukong was after a brief glance at her. Even if you were expecting Sun Wukong to be a male, there are very few other Servants that a monkey girl in oriental clothing wielding a pole staff could be. In fact, common knowledge leaves you at... well, zero.

"You did? I take it you want to talk about last night in the forest, right? Don't worry about Miyako, she's perfectly fine. I managed to get the two of us out of the way of that world consuming wave of death! Only somebody as great as me could do that!" Wukong sounds confident in herself, and you can hear a groan on the other side of the phone. There's Miyako, you guess. "So, you survived too?"

"Of course I did. It'll take more than a wave of Grail Mud infused with All of the World's Evil as well as Potnia Theron to dispatch me and my allies." You confidently declare, though it's only because you had Sakura with you that you even close to being able to survive that wave without needing to attempt to flee from it. That sort of attack would have easily killed practically everyone in your entire faction barring the immortal ones as well as Sakura herself, if it connected with you all.

"So, what exactly did you call to say anyway? I can't imagine that you were calling just because you were worried about Miyako."

"Well, my concern for Miyako is mitigated by the fact that I've had Caster scry on the two of you. But I'm wondering..."

>"If you'd like to come to a Feast I'm preparing."
>"...Actually, no, never mind. I'm not inviting you or Miyako to my Feast at my House in about two and a half hours."
>"If your Master would like to come over to my house. I'm planning a Feast tonight, and I might be able to finally train her."
>Write-in...
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>>4822333
>"If you'd like to come to a Feast I'm preparing."
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>>4822333
Actually, no, never mind. I'm not inviting you or Miyako to my Feast at my House in about two and a half hours."
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>>4822333
>I'm holding a feast for my allies and you and Miyako are both invited.
>Regardless whether you want to come or not, be extra careful in the streets, the girl in the temple has some absurdly powerful servants out and about.

We probably should at least tell redman, directly or via Rin if we walk into either, his boss will be over for dinner, while we go look for Touko... just because we went through with calling Miyako now is not reason to be entirely casual about this I think.

And I'm not convinced it's wise to explicitly invite creeping chaos into our house although if he does come knocking we have no reason to turn him away. Could be interesting to have him, Alaya and Arc under one roof, though possibly not in a good way.
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>>4822333
>>4822362
Support
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>>4822358
actually tempted to try that but I can't bring myself to do it to Miyako, even if Sun would presumably drag her over to crash our party anyway.
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>>4822333
>>"...Actually, no, never mind. I'm not inviting you or Miyako to my Feast at my House in about two and a half hours."
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>>4822333
>>4822362
+1
We also need to have Sasaki help with the food making.
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>>4822367
It's the tsun route with monkey option. She'll force Miyako to come to spite you
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>>4822333
>"...Actually, no, never mind. I'm not inviting you or Miyako to my Feast at my House in about two and a half hours."
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>>4822333
Support >>4822362
Redman will probably be cooking with us, we can talk to him there.

And yeah, inviting the Crawling Chaos is not something I'd like to do, but I imagine he'll invite himself.
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>>4822394
>>4822393
Samefag
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>>4822395
It was literally the exact same post except with a typo fixed anon.
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>>4822396
Glad you admitted to it
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>>4822333
>>4822362
+1
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I hope you've figured out all the potential problems with inviting so many people to this feast.
I'm sure Reines and Kiritsugu are going to get along well.

In fact, if you had a seating plan in mind, I'd like to see that as well. Assume you have a grand banquet table.
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>>4822418
In fact, give me a minute, and I'll give you a list of everyone in attendance.
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>>4822429
Jesus Christ.

Shinji
Medea
Betty
Abby
Shuten
Suzuka
Chiyome
Sakura
BB (Waiting Staff)
Medusa
Stheno (?)
Euryale (?)
Obeithion
Rin
Ereshkigal Rin
Zero Rin
Rin Kotomine (Waiting Staff)
Nobunaga
EMIYA
Kiritsugu
Illyasviel
Alcides
Sella (Waiting Staff)
Leysritt (Waiting Staff)
Giselle (Waiting Staff)
Shirou
Saber
Mordred
Morgan
Touko
Aoko
Shiki
SHIKI
Ciel
Karna
Jason
Argo
Medea Lily
Asclepius
Caenis
Atalanta
Castor
Pollux
Waver
Reines
Trimmau (Waiting Staff)
Kairi
Luvia
Satsuki
Alítheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Tamamo
Olga Marie
Merlin (?)
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Scáthach
Vritra
Nero
Paracelcus
Sasaki
Taiga (Alaya)
Billy the Kid
Arcueid
Len

I THINK that's everyone?
Holy shit.
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>>4822454
I think we're going to need a bigger house or suddenly magic a giant mead hall
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>>4822454
Holy shit indeed.
>Len
We need to headpat her.
And a lot of other things, like offering to remove kairi's curse.
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>>4822454
Holy shit, that’s fucking ridiculous
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>>4822454
Damn, Jesus Christ is coming too?!
You didn't give us his stat sheet!
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>>4822454
Character Bloat.exe
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>>4822481
Not my fault you want to be everyone's friend.
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>>4822454
What the fuck, character bloat is real. How do we deal with this mess?
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Make a kids table that's an obvious starter, Atalante can go there too.

Use this chance to have people interact across relationship groups but just keep obvious fights away from one another.

May or may not be around to offer input, we'll see
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>>4822493
That's what I'm asking you.
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>>4822499
Also fix the Gorgons asap before you forget and their presence causes a shitfight
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>>4822499
8 tables of 8 as there's 64 people, there's your start.

Get wrangling a bond

Pick a theme per table, maybe hard drinkers, princesses, chads etc
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OK so do you want one great table for 66 people, or like 8 tables for groups of 8-9
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>>4822506
It's the very next thing we do nigger.
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>>4822499
EMIYA family table etc.

Mix and match the Argo around
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>>4822515
Great table with us at the head in a throne of some sort
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>>4822512
I'm counting 60. Are you including the waiting staff?
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Wait there's not 66 people eating
There's 60 people if you don't include the waiters.
Though this is under the assumption that everyone cooking just sort of... uses magic to keep the food perfect.
Medea can handle it.
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>>4822512
Fairies/elementals/Alaya table, Len can go with the kids
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>>4822512
Just gacha the seating arrangements
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>>4822521
Excellent way to piss Gilgamesh off.
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>>4822515
8 tables are great, one huge one will be nothing but a mess
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>>4822538
You realize I'm going to make you sort them into eight tables, right?
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>>4822532
Good, he'll just make his own to one up us
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>>4822540
Of course. Much easier to form groups of 8 than figure out one single table.
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>>4822545
Not really just have our 2 current wives sit on either side of us and the others will pick who they want to sit by
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What won anyway?
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>>4822520
>EMIYA family table
So sitting Artoria away from Shirou?
Cause she hates Kiritsugu?
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>>4822454
Ok so we put Shirou between Shirou and Gilgamesh, Ciel between Arc and Satsuki, Saber between Morgan and Mordred, Jason between Medea and Medea Lily, Rin next to Luvia, Tamamo between Nero and Suzuka, Touko next to Aoko, Waver between Reines and Taiga, Ayaka between Shiki and SHIKI and we run away
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>>4822557
Good question. Do we put Saber with the Emiyas or with the saberfaces? Probably give her the choice.

Also, WhatIs, you forgot Ayaka. 61 people.
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>>4822551
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Also where do we sit public enemy number one?
Artoria? I would like to see him and Morgan talk, but it'd probably end poorly.
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>>4822563
So I did.
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>>4822569
It will definitely end up poorly. And even bigger question: Who sits with us other than our four wives?
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>>4822563
With her fiance anon
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>>4822576
I was gonna say Medusa, Shuten and Rin but maybe Shuten should sit on the Argo table so Caenis can drink with her
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>>4822569
Saber would keep him in line so him, we have to keep him away from Ayaka tho
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>>4822585
Yeah, Shuten should sit with Caenis, we promised her a drinking contest. I think Rin should sit with Para, though it could be at our table. What about Medusa's sisters and Chiyome though?
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>>4822589
Why Ayaka?
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>>4822594
Anon you understand Merlin's character right?

>>4822593
>Medusa's sisters
Nah
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>>4822561
Based forced dramachad
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>>4822598
What kind of beef would Merlin and Ayaka have with each other anon?

>Nah
So we disinvite them from the feast?
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>>4822603
Merlin is a half incubus and a womanizer anon and I don’t wanna disinvite them, I just don't wanna sit with them
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>>4822603
Ayaka makes people fall for her without glasses.
Merlin is horny as hell.
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>>4822612
>>4822614
She's wearing her glasses though
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>>4822614
Also she's implied to look like the Lady of the Lake and Merlin had it bad for her
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Ok so the kids table, unless anyone objects, will be
>Betty
>Abby
>Zero Rin
>Olga
>Alitheia
>Ourobora
>Tetsuka
>Atalanta
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WhatIs forgot about Lugh too. 62 people.
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>>4822454
Who's Trimmau? Is he candle-kun?
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I prefer everyone on the same table, to be honest, would be more funny.
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>>4822639
Its the el melon maid/blob of metal/discount T-1000
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>>4822639
Reines's Maid that she made from Kayneth's hydrargyrum.
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>>4822642
Maybe you should have voted for that
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>>4822639
Reinnes Maid.
It's Kayneth's Volumen Hydrangeum, but she turned it into her maid. She likes Terminator 2.
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Alright, here's what I have so far:

>>Our Table
>Shinji
>Sakura
>Medea
>Satsuki
>Tamamo
>Medusa
>Vritra
>Chiyome

>>Kid Table
>Betty
>Abby
>Alitheia
>Tetsuka
>Ourobora
>Zero Rin
>Olga Marie
>Len

>>Emiya Table
>Saber
>Shirou
>Illyasviel
>Kiritsugu
>EMIYA
>Merlin

>>King Table
>Mordred
>Morgan
>Obeithion
>Nero
>Gilgamesh
>Enkidu
>Ayaka
>Nobunaga
>Ereshkigal Rin

>>Magic Table
>Touko
>Waver
>Reines
>Kairi
>Luvia
>Paracelsus
>Rin
>Medea Lily
>Asclepius

>>Battle Autist Table
>Karna
>Castor
>Pollux
>Alcides
>Scathach
>Sasaki
>Caenis
>Shuten
>Billy the Kid
>Lugh

>Waiting Staff
>BB
>Ishtar
>Sella
>Leysritt
>Giselle
>Trimmau

>>I have no idea what to do with them
>Suzuka
>Stheno
>Euryale
>SHIKI
>Ciel
>Jason
>Argo
>Aoko
>Shiki
>Taiga (Alaya)
>Arcueid
>Atalante
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>>4822660
Why are you putting Rin and Luvia in the same table and the kings table seems like an overall bad idea since they're all big personalities that feel like they own the world
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>>4822666
>Rin and Luvia
They haven't met yet, their rivalry hasn't started yet. And I put the people who'd probably be interested in talking Magic in the same table. Funny shenanigans when their rivalry starts tonight, but nothing more serious.

>King Table
The three Kings discussion in Zero was very civil. They'll not fly off the handle, all of them know how to talk to another King. And we need them to at least know each other if they're to be the next world leaders.
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We should save an empty spot at our table for Alan and/or Manaka
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>>4822671
Well other than the kid's table, I don't like it
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>>4822674
We can always add another chair and plate later on.
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>>4822674
Yeah, 3 spots, one for alan and 2 for the 2 manakas.
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>>4822676
Well, you can always make your own suggestions anon.
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Wait I just realized you put Len in the kid's table wtf, that's like putting Illya in the kid's table cause she looks like a child
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>>4822684
Len rarely talks, the kids may take more words from her.
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>>4822684
>Wait I just realized you put Len in the kid's table wtf, that's like putting Illya in the kid's table cause she looks like a child
Chronologically, Len might be a few hundred years old, but she's only active whenever Arc is active, so...
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>>4822698
did Shiki kiss a child?
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>>4822701
a cat is fine too
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>>4822701
Doubtful
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Niggerman is wagecuckin' it right now, so he sent me this for you to look at.

>EMIYA family
EMIYA
Kiritsugu
Illyasviel
Shirou
Saber
Mordred
Taiga (Alaya)

>Kids Table
Betty
Abby
Zero Rin
Alítheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Olga Marie
Len

>Shinji table
Shinji
Medea
Sakura
Chiyome - she should be allowed to sit at her lord's table, it will help her self confidence
Tamamo
Satsuki
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Vritra

>Misc. greekoids
Medusa
Stheno
Euryale
Atalanta
Alcides
Jason
Argo

>make Karna social/drinking
Caenis
Suzuka
Nobunaga
Pollux
Shuten
Karna
Nero
Billy the Kid
Merlin

>Magical discussions
Paracelcus
Medea Lily
Asclepius
Rin
Touko
Luvia

>'Humans' and people out of their depth trying to cope
Waver
Reines
Kairi
Sasaki
Castor
Aoko
Shiki
Ayaka

>Elementals/Fairies/who wants to live forever
Arcueid
Obeithion
Morgan
Scáthach
SHIKI
Ciel
Ereshkigal Rin
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>>4822716
This is good. Especially Gilgamesh's party being at our table - he holds us in high esteem, we need to offer him the same.
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>>4822716
why would Gil not want to sit with Ayaka during a feast?
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>>4822716
And put Lugh on the fairy table. I forgot
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>>4822701
Now this depends on how many times you think that Arcueid has gone Dead Apostle Hunting and how long it normally takes her.
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>>4822716
I say this but pur Merlin with Saber, and won't Gil get mad at Ayaka being away?
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>>4822723
And I forgot to add it on too!
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>>4822716
I would put Waver on the Magical Discussions, I don't see why Gil would be ok not being able to feast with Enkidu and Ayaka by his side, I would put Atalanta on the kids, I would put Arc and Medusa on our table
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>>4822732
+1
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>>4822716
I doubt Gilgamesh would want to stay away from Ayaka. I'd prefer Medusa at our table, but it starts getting too big with Gil's party + her in there. I'd still prefer him in another table.

Reines would probably be more interested in the magical discussion. Waver might too. You put Castor away from his sister on purpose, didn't you?

Merlin might cause problems if he's not with Saber, but then again I can't disagree that it'll be weird to put him with the Emiyas just because he's an autist.

>>4822732
Atalante definitely not at the kids table. The kids get more reserved with an adult present, even if the adult is the cool aunt.
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trying to rearrange it, Gil is honestly kinda hard to seat
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>>4822738
I put Castor away from his sister AND on the human table ackshually.

Merlin is a coomer who loves revelry, I put him where his talents lie.
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>>4822738
Ayaka needs a breather from it all.

They can also vent about the supernatural shit together while Castor seethes and copes
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>>4822744
And that's a reason why I wanted the King table.

>>4822747
Yeah, many of the people in the "human" table would fit better elsewhere.
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>>4822751
yeah i was wrong, king's table would be good
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>>4822749
>vent about the supernatural shit together while Castor seethes and copes
You do realize those goals are antithetical, right? Castor will ruin the discussion with his constant seething about weakling humans.

And Ayaka might need the breather, but Gill won't.
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>>4822755
He can go to greek table after he seethes, we didn't get the kids to dab on him before. Alcides can drag him there
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>>4822761
Or we could put him there right away and avoid the seething entirely?
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King table is genuinely smooth brain level retarded.

Sneed cope dilate too many reasons to list while phoneposting and wagecucking
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...
Forgot Miyako and Wukong
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>>4822767
You haven't even written if they accept yet qm.
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>>4822766
What the actual fuck? The Kings won't start fighting each other over nothing, and their philosophies are a lot more compatible than Gil's, Iskandar's and Artoria's were.

>>4822767
Shit, so did we
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>>4822767
Spoilers!

Drunken table

Rip Shinjis house.

It can be rebuilt.
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>>4822773
Half of them aren't Kings

>Morgan

>g*ds telling nobu how to run HER country in her country
Drunken fool of owari would be a much better use of her time.

Outright not vooting for a king table it's a recipe for disaster
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Ok what about this

>Table 1
EMIYA
Kiritsugu
Illyasviel
Shirou
Saber
Mordred
Taiga (Alaya)
Merlin

>Table 2
Shinji
Medea
Sakura
Chiyome
Tamamo
Satsuki
Arc
Medusa
Vritra

>Table 3
Stheno
Euryale
Castor
Pollux
Karna
Shuten
Caenis
Eresh

>Table 4
Paracelcus
Medea Lily
Waver
Reines
Touko
Lugh
Aoko
Rin
Luvia
Kairi
Ciel

>Table 5
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Ayaka
Nobu
Mordred
Morgan
Nero
Obeithion

>Table 6
Jason
Argo
Alcides
Atalanta
Sasaki
Asclepius
Miyako
Wukong
Scathach
SHIKI
Billy

>Table 7
Betty
Abby
Zero Rin
Alítheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Olga Marie
Len
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>>4822766
Its actually more autistic to put Gilgamesh on a table without Ayaka
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Trying to fuse the two suggestions:

>Our Table
Shinji
Sakura
Medea
Tamamo
Satsuki
Medusa
Vritra
Chiyome

>Kid Table
Betty
Abby
Alitheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Zero Rin
Olga Marie
Len
Miyako

>Emiya Table
Saber
Shirou
Illyasviel
Kiritsugu
EMIYA
Taiga (Alaya)

>King Table
Mordred
Nero
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Ayaka
Nobunaga


>Magic Table
Touko
Waver
Reines
Luvia
Paracelsus
Rin
Medea Lily
Asclepius

>Greekoid Table
Stheno
Euryale
Jason
Argo
Atalante
Alcides
Castor

>FUN Table
Karna
Pollux
Caenis
Shuten
Billy the Kid
Merlin
Suzuka
Kairi
Aoko
Shiki
Sasaki
Sun Wukong

>Immortals table
SHIKI
Ciel
Scathach
Morgan
Obeithion
Arcueid
Lugh
Ereshkigal Rin

Karna, Shiki and Sasaki at the FUN table because they all need to come out of their shell.

Take 2, missed Eresh
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>>4822782
would Wukong be ok with leaving Miyako by herself?
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>>4822786
She can cope. We're not putting Sun in the kid table.
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>>4822780
fuck i forgot to put Suzuka on table 3, anyway, thoughts?
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>>4822793
I disagree with Merlin being on the Emiya table and Miyako being tethered to Sun just because both of them are too autistic. Miyako would have more fun with the other kids. And you've put many people together that don't seem to have much in common. Table 6 especially, but there are a couple odd ones out in most of the tables.
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I think we should concept some Empathy onto Merlin before dinner, so he won't piss off someone there. We discussed this before, he himself dislikes not being able to understand people, and Empathy doesn't sound like it would be taxing at all.
I don't trust him being around anyone but Saber otherwise.
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>>4822813
They'll learn to be friends
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"I'm holding a feast for my allies, and you and Miyako are both invited!" You cheerfully declare to Wukong. "Now, regardless of whether you want to come or not, I want to warn the two of you to be extra careful in the streets, the girl in the temple has some absurdly powerful servants out and about, and they won't hesitate to attack even during the day if they recognize you as a target." Which they might, as Manaka can easily turn Servants to her side through the usage of Grail Mud. It's entirely possible that Wukong would be made a target and Miyako would be slain as a result of her wanting to get another powerful Servant on her side for the coming battle. There are only going to be two factions for this final battle. Those who are with you, or those who serve Manaka. Wukong will have to actually come around to supporting you before that point, unless their damn monkey-brain is going to keep them from trusting you for whatever stupid reason. You've given the two of them plenty of reason to trust you, yet Wukong seems to stubbornly refuse every branch of peace offered to her. It's genuinely annoying.

"Well... We'll think about it. But no promises..." Wukong says with an unfeeling voice, before their stern character seems to break a little. "Just to make sure we don't stumble into it accidentally, this is being held at your home, right?" Wukong asks for clarity, looks like she'll be taking Miyako along after all.

"That's right. In a few hours. Be safe, I'll hold you personally responsible if Miyako gets hurt." You care about Miyako a great deal more than you care about the overprotective monkey girl. While you certainly don't wish to see Wukong dead or harmed, you wouldn't care nearly as much as you would if it were Miyako who were hurt. The monkey girl hangs up. "Good grief, what a rude little monkey." You can't help but muse to yourself as you think about Wukong. You don't really 'get' Wukong's behavior here, does she think that she's re-enacting her journey with Sanzang or something, and that she needs to be distrustful of everyone she meets?

Well, whatever. You turn to look at Medea, before you sigh. "Well, looks like that's everyone invited." Wukong is a genuine pain in your ass, and you're not really sure if they'll even end up showing up anyway. Hopefully they do, and you can finally get Wukong to agree to an actual alliance rather than the highly limited cooperation Wukong is willing to extend to you right now. That is to say 'none'. There's no cooperation. But at least Wukong has refrained from trying to kill you or something.
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"You've amassed quite a list of guests, Shinji." Caster warns you, and you're well aware of that. Over sixty people in total at the feast. It's a planning nightmare, but you have faith in your own abilities to reach a satisfying solution to the problem of having to figure out the seating arrangements for everyone. You're just glad that your house is large enough to accommodate such a great group of people, and quite comfortably, as well! "I hope that you're prepared for dealing with all of this... Of course, you'll have my unwavering support, but this... isn't going to be easy, I feel." You're well aware of that too. With this many strong personalities in close proximity, it's only a matter of time until somebody decides to pick a fight with somebody else, and it's going to be up to you to prevent things from reaching that level, or alternatively, try to put a stop to battles between two Servants yourself. At least Enkidu should be happy to bind anybody who tries to cause problems.

"Yes, I think it will all work though, so long as things don't go to hell, it should be fine, right?" You smile at Medea, before you start for the door. "I'll talk with you more later on, Medea, but I need to be getting on with things now."

>Kiss Medea goodbye.
>Go see Illyasviel.
>Go find the rest of your allies. (Who in particular?)
>Go to the kitchen, start preparing.
>Take a look at the magic map.
>Write-in...
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Don't we still need to go see Medusa
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>>4822872
You do, but you can make that a write-in.
I need to sleep.
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>>4822866
>Kiss Medea goodbye.
>Go find the rest of your allies. (Who in particular?)
>>Medusa.
So we can deal with Stheno and Euryale.
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>>4822889
we need to find Touko too to fix the charm thing
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>>4822889
>>4822866
+1

>>4822896
Touko managed to block Betty's thing, but I am less sure due to this being some divine fuckery instead of a Skill. Who else could block it?
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>>4822938
Betty is the vessel of Azathoth, Stheno and Euryale are literal who goddesses
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>>4822866
>>4822889
+1
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Wait, Shinji is not inviting Alan?
What the fuck, why would you not invite your best friend?
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>>4822944
But was her Witch Hunt thing due to Azathoth or just Servant shit? Because she is connected doesnt mean everything flows from it, I think?
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>>4822866
>>4822866
>Kiss Medea
>ask her to pass on to the kitchen there will be 60+ people tonight from rough mental calculations. Ask if she can assist and say we'll be down shortly to help if we find the time.
>call up yakuza contacts to deliver the booze we'll be needing, an absurd amount with a mix of high end sprits, wine and a variety of beer etc.
>ask if Touko could meet you in the basement? Attic? wherever the Gorgons are via fox sticker, if she isn't directly linked could someone pass her on the message. We'll need her help with adjusting their Saint Graphs.
>tell Sasaki via fox sticker his master wished him to help in the kitchen and that she'll be joining us for dinner.
>Ask whatever Caster is free to make an observational familiar to observe the surroundings and map over dinner so overwatch duty doesn't cuck someone out of dinner
>ask Chiyome to return to map duty for now until dinner and alert us of anything peculiar.
>go meet with Medusa and her sisters
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>>4822948
You wanna make a write-in to do it, that's up to you.
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>>4822953
Aoko also helps with Saint Graph fuckery on the Moon Cell, doesnnt she? Or should Touko be enough? Scathach can also just use runes to modify them if we need it, somehow.
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>>4822961
She managed Betty alone, she's had no screen time in ages either.
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>>4822959
Nah, I'd rather go sleep.
He's gonna invite himself anyways.
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Switching from
>>4822938
To
>>4822866
>>4822953
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>>4822953
not biting for the potion medea was making?
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>>4822980
its so we can go all night
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>>4822953
Support. Toukobros we are finally gonna be relevant again.
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>>4822980
Keep calm, now is not the time for coom. That comes later.
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>>4822866
change >>4822946
to >>4822953

Also, should we tell taiga's dad about kiritsugu being alive again?
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>>4822953
>>4822866
+1
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>>4823007
If we get on to Raiga somehow when just calling up about booze sure, but if we invite him it would be quite disrespectful to not have him at our table which just causes more drama. I guess he could go to the EMIYA table though.
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>>4823014
I feel like we should only involve him after the War blows over. He really doesn't have anything to do meanwhile.
Plus I don't want to deal with Raiga meeting Alaya-Taiga.
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Could we invite kuzuki to the feast or is he still stuck with manaka?
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>>4823041
dude i think he died
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>>4823042
No everyone on the temple was saved the first time. He isn't dead but we really should find out what happened to him.
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>>4823041
Do we invite the man who doesn't speak to character bloat the movie? Hmmmm
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>>4823041
We can deal with that later. Maybe tomorrow.

>>4822953
Support
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>2108 posts (including this one)
New thread soon perhaps?
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>>4822866
>>4822953
Support
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>>4823007
Raiga doesn't want to get more involved with magic stuff, at least for now. He'll find out soon.

>>4823014
I don't think we should get him involved. He's purposely kept himself distant from this stuff. And he won't like seeing Taiga.

>>4823041
We don't even know if he's still alive. We haven't seen him since Manaka took over the temple, and scrying didn't work.
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ok no but seriously is Medea gonna date rape us the potion is spooky
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>>4823224
She asked us to lock the door tonight. She doesn't need to date rape us, unless anons try to cockblock us.
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>>4823228
pretty cocky of her to think that no one is gonna ask to go back to our room with us
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>>4823231
Why else do you think she asked first anon?
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>>4822866
Support>>4822953
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>>4821648
It still weirds me out how much you folks bring up that story here.

>>4821643
It was the city, and also the protagonist, and a bunch of other things. A recurring motif.
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>>4823347
like clockwork. die
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>>4823347
Start Awakening Redux already
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>>4823355
I'm working on it. It'll show up in the catalog one of these days, don't you worry.
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>>4823386
Clearly you're not, if you're here. Either post your story or fade into obscurity, I don't care which.
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Well I wanted to get a new thread about before I disappeared into my cagie, but...
Have this cute retard suffering from Anaphia instead.
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>>4823520
Would Medusa let Medea ride her?
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>>4823347
There's two ways to look at it.
You're either a fantastic writer who managed to reach people on an emotional level.
Or you're a hack writer worse than Nasu pariah who should never touch a keyboard again.
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Damn it why didn't we let Shuten vore Merlin?
That succubus trait...
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>>4823538
She still might at dinner, why do you think I put him at the booze table in my keikaku\

Also, seeing as SHinji is a master of bounded fields yet we never used them, I have an idea.

Should we concept the fields around the house with "Ceasefire" or "Armistice" just so tonight goes off without a hitch?

Having a home base with an effect like Nightingale's NP that prevents combat would also be really beneficial long term. If we link the bounded fields to a portable object with witchwife's help too, we can make it a portable zone of non-violence and effectively replicate Nightingale Pledge, which is fucking busted lore wise, even without the heal effect.
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>>4823543
"Peace for our time" concept
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>>4823543
Bounded Fields?
More like Boring Fields.
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>>4823543
Not a bad idea at all. Maybe Truce instead? Peace would work too, but it's a vaster concept that might be strenuous to apply and we maybe don't want to waste here. An object that has a non-combat aura would be very useful in general, yeah.

And now that you're apparently no longer wageslaving, do you still object to the King Table when it's only Kings + Gil's clae and girl?
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>>4823543
Want to try some autism based on the fact that we're Blessed and can do Holy energy conversion as a base for a peace or noncombat field?
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>>4823551
Yeah I outright avoided Peace because it has so many better uses. Truce could also work.

I'll go off your most recent version:

>King Table
Mordred
Should be away from Morgan, so this is an improvement, but also interact with her Father and actually do some more family stuff that she missed out on, while keeping her mother off her back for it too. Also, she's very much hot headed so there is a risk if an argument happened at the table she could escalate it, although her new abilities temper her a bit from OG Mordred.

Nero
Not a king, loud, arrogant, will risk a fight. Better off just enjoying the drinking and FESTIVS at the drinks table

Gilgamesh
An insult not to have him at our table alongside our closest wives.
Enkidu
Comes with Gil

Ayaka
Needs time away from Gil.

Nobunaga
She will come to blows if she's told how to run her country, especially by any gods. Better off drinking.

>>4823564
Is Sanctuary worth using here then? Assuming we make it portable it'd be great anyway.
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>>4823568
Sure, why not. Us + Lance of Longinus can provide Ark of the Covenant or Tabernacle grade concept shit, right?
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>>4823551
I do agree you could spread the "human" table out a bit from my original one I had WhatIs post though. Mostly just wanted to give a space for those drowning in the things over their heads to relax and confide in one another, and also make Castor seethe. Alcides and his sister are required, and I want him away from his sister so she can not spend the whole night tard wrangling.

EMIYA family
EMIYA
Kiritsugu
Illyasviel
Shirou
Saber
Mordred
Taiga (Alaya)

Kids Table
Betty
Abby
Zero Rin
Alítheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Olga Marie
Len
Empty space for Miyako

Shinji table
Shinji
Medea
Sakura
Chiyome - she should be allowed to sit at her lord's table, it will help her self confidence
Tamamo
Satsuki
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Vritra
Empty spaces for Alan, Manaka L + R, YHWH, Monika forma de incel (serbiosa)

Misc. greekoids
Medusa
Stheno
Euryale
Atalanta
Alcides
Jason
Argo
Castor

make Karna social/drinking
Caenis
Suzuka
Nobunaga
Pollux
Shuten
Karna
Nero
Billy the Kid
Merlin
Empty space for wukong
Empty Space for Aife, Cu

Magical discussions
Paracelcus
Medea Lily
Asclepius
Rin
Touko
Luvia
Waver
Reines

Elementals/Fairies/who wants to live forever
Arcueid
Obeithion
Morgan
Scáthach
SHIKI
Ciel
Ereshkigal Rin
Lugh
Empty space for Morrigan


'Humans' and people out of their depth trying to cope - most scuffed table. Ideas?
Kairi - give him the option for magic or for life/death talk, being a necromancer both fit him.
Sasaki - social/drinking table?
Aoko - magic? she's a bit of a magic gorilla though, she seems to do better around her sister now at least
Shiki - should probably go with Aoko, otherwise maybe get some drinks into him and have him lighten up
Ayaka - might have to chuck her on our table, unless she wants to sit in on the magic discussions
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>>4823577
You'd think so, especially if we supercharge first. We'd want Medea's teleport anyway, so we could talk to her about it as it'd be part of securing a safezone via bounded fields for tonight anyway

We should also pick a specific mountain and use it constantly for all our teleport + juice up memes. We should use the sight of Aliethia's birth maybe for sentimentality, but continued AoG mana dumping there might start terraforming it into something more potent at a base level, wake up some Divine leylines or something that have slumbered dry for eons
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>>4823581
Put Sasaki with Rin.
Bird Cut = true magic
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>>4823584
that'd be funny actually

>why is the farmer here?
dimensional refraction autism go ssshhink
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>>4823568
>King Table
So, basically you don't trust Mordred, Nero and Nobu to have a civil discussion with fellow Kings. How THE FUCK do you expect them to lead their countries and have diplomatic relations with each other? They are not complete retards, and their ruling philosophies are much more similar than Gil's and Iskandar's were with Artoria's.

Nero's an Emperor instead of a King, same difference. You're splitting hair.

Gilgamesh would take it as an insult if he was placed at any other table other than our own OR the King table, which is why I put him there. There's no way Gil will accept being separated from his girl AND his clae. And I don't want to kick any of the people I put at our table out to make room for Gil. Medusa included, she literally has a skill about how much she loves us and Sakura.

I like Sanctuary the best from among what's been proposed so far.

>>4823581
Our table is fuckhuge already, I don't want to kick Medusa out to make space for Gil, who will not acccept being separated from his girl. Empty spaces in general are a REALLY bad idea, we can always move chairs and add plates for any unexpected guests that might arrive.

Kairi getting the choice of Magic vs immortal table is the only change I like over my last proposal.

>>4823583
Teleporting to a mountain with Alitheia to apply a taxing concept DEFINITELY breaks our promise.
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>>4823583
I think Divine Mana is the secret to snekdaughter growing big and strong.
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>>4823583
If you juice the leyline too much I imagine it just flows away because higher pressure flows to lower pressure.
SF shows you can fuck up entire American seaboard if you suck the leyline too hard, reverse also true?
Mana is the breath of the planet/vital force so its probably something thats not static.
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>Our Table
Shinji
Sakura
Medea
Tamamo
Satsuki
Medusa
Vritra
Chiyome

>Kid Table
Betty
Abby
Alitheia
Tetsuka
Ourobora
Zero Rin
Olga Marie
Len
Miyako

>Emiya Table
Saber
Shirou
Illyasviel
Kiritsugu
EMIYA
Taiga (Alaya)

>King Table
Mordred
Nero
Gilgamesh
Enkidu
Ayaka
Nobunaga

>Magic Table
Touko
Waver
Reines
Luvia
Paracelsus
Rin
Medea Lily
Asclepius

>Greekoid Table
Stheno
Euryale
Jason
Argo
Atalante
Alcides
Castor

>FUN Table
Karna
Pollux
Caenis
Shuten
Billy the Kid
Merlin
Suzuka
Aoko
Shiki
Sasaki
Sun Wukong

>Immortals table
SHIKI
Ciel
Scathach
Morgan
Obeithion
Arcueid
Lugh
Ereshkigal Rin

This is what I still propose. Kairi could be put either at the magic or the Immortals table.
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That Taiga/Alaya is awkward, because Alaya should by all rights be at the immortals one, and get to know Arc.
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>>4823602
We'll tell Alaya to put Taiga at the wheel for the feast. The Emiyas will have an easier time accepting it this way.
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>>4823592
Remember, Gil and Iskandar also fought one another to the death in their next meeting.

We want NO conflict tonight, just celebrating killing our grandfather and becoming an unvirgin.

I'm always going to vote against a King table at this stage because it's a massive powerkeg.

It is a massive insult to Gil to not have him invited to our table, remember this is starting arrangements, and Shinji is realistically going to be on his feet revolving between tables. Mordred really needs some SoL life experience and to have some good moments with her fathermother too. She might even get onto the Time magic tangent with kerrytugu to bond with her uh....step..grandfather? Or is it just grandfather? She's never had a chance to actually interact with a proper family before, why put her in a position where it's going to be about political posturing just yet, she's still mentally a kid.

>>4823602
I was going under the impression she gives Taiga full control tonight to reunite with Kerry. Alaya can meet Arc afterwards.

Also consider the narrative potential of each table, yours is doing a lot better than the other anon's who hadlike 4? tables of just >there is no theme, nothing can be written for this coherently
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So it's what, 1.30pm? was 1pm pre boat episode?
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>>4823606
>I was going under the impression she gives Taiga full control tonight to reunite with Kerry.
We didnt tell her to yet, and wasnt it said that Taiga getting this magic shit at once at 9000% might be not great?
Could she possess a spare Touko puppet or something? Theyre basically humans
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>>4823615
Until the war is over Alaya being her host body is probably the safest Taiga can be, I'm leaving it as something to address after the fact. We don't need more to worry about for now. Also someone might get bapped by an Alaya MANKIND buffed Tora Shinai very soon which would be entertaining
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>>4823606
And I will vote against any proposal that puts Gil at our table with our wives, so I guess we'll have two competing proposals.

Gil, Iskandar and Artoria were part of a normal grail war. They were always going to fight each other to the death, and they were still able to have a civil discussion. These Kings are all at the same side, and they're preparing to return to rule. They need to get to know each other and start establishing some working relations. You trust them far, far too little if you think they will come to blows.

Kairi probably belongs with the immortal table, he seems more fascinated with death than with magic.

You literally have a "human cope and seethe" table at a feast, you're the one to talk about the narrative potential

>>4823615
We'll tell her when she gets here. It's too late to keep Taiga out of the magic shit, especially since the magic shit will be everywhere in a few years.
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>>4823620
I also rewrote over that ningen table and offered new options for all members I couldn't immediately place after the first draft, which was written while mid wageslaving.
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>>4823620
>We'll tell her when she gets here.
Eh, inviting Alaya to be an observer is a bit weird imo. Taiga isn't conscious, as far as I know?
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Is it morally wrong to meatpuppet yourself?
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>>4823624
Just put them where I put them. Kairi at the immortal table, Aoko, Shiki and Sasaki at the FUN table, Ayaka with Gil. That would leave our only point of contention Ours and the King Table.
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>>4823620
>he seems more fascinated with death than with magic.
Thats due to what necromancer training is like iirc.
It starts with hypnotizing yourself to see yourself rot away and die, to get closer to the affinity of death iirc.
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>>4823629
Kairi isn't immortal...
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Wait a second is Kairi going to simp to Ereshkigal?
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Arrange tables by Servant classes, Masters and have rest sit together
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>>4823633
Death gods and necros usually don't go well together, as its desecrating the dead.
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>>4823636
Imagine reading that scenario for a second
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>>4823636
Genuinely a good idea.
EMIYA, Billy and Gil on same table
Does Reines know Kerry murdered Kayneth?
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>>4823625
Do you think the Emiyas will be fine with Taiga being meatpuppeted during the feast?

>>4823631
Interesting. I didn't know that, and all the more reason to put him with Death.

>>4823633
Probably not, but they'll have a fascinating discussion about death. Probably fascinating to the immortals too.

>>4823637
It depends. I'm not sure about Babylonians specifically, Necromancy was relatively widespread in ancient times, the death gods would have done something about it if they really had such a problem with the practice.

Or do you think Kairi would be better suited to talk about general magic?
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>>4823641
of course she does.

Not allowed to interact:
>Reines/Kerry
>Nobu/anyone telling her how to rule
>Gil as above
>Mordred/Morgan
>Morgan/Merlin
>Merlin and the EMIYA table unless he wants an origin bullet to the brain
>Morgan and Kings
>Gorgons and booze table - statue collection
>Eresh and booze, already mentally unstable
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>>4823649
>Kairi would be better suited to talk about general magic
I think so. His wish in Apo was resurrecting someone, no? I dont think that mindset gels that much with underworld stuff.
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>>4823650
>Mordred/Morgan
>Morgan and Kings
Are you planning to make Morgan sit on Shinji's lap or something?
>Gorgons and booze table - statue collection
Either let her have some fun or make her take loli form and add her to kids table
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>>4823654
>Resurrection definitely fits with underworld stuff
No, it's the opposite. Eresh doesn't like people being resurrected, with all we've done for her being the only reason its possible for us.
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>>4823654
>Nobu
>not a retard
Optimistic.
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>>4823650
>Nobu/anyone telling her how to rule
>Gil as above
I REALLY disagree about this, and submit the King discussion in Zero as evidence. Gil can talk with fellow Kings, and Nobu isn't a retard either.

>>4823651
His wish started as breaking his curse before he realized that he just wanted his daughter back. Resurrection definitely fits with underworld stuff, and I think he's too specialized to be interested in general magic. I wouldn't really oppose putting him there though.

Or rather, we should just give him the choice.
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We should put Stheno and Euryale on the kids table.
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>>4823657
She doesn't like it, true, but it still fits her purview.

But anyway, you've gotten me to reconsider. I now favor putting Kairi at the magic table.

>>4823658
What makes you think she's a retard? And why should we let her run Japan if she is?
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>>4823654
Have you considered Gil's reaction to being told he's not to sit at our table?

It's Gil. He's starting to seriously consider Shinji a friend, do you really want that slight against him?

Nobu would genuinely enjoy just drinking, why bother trying to recreate some F/Z cringe while also upsetting Gil by denying him a seat at the host's table.
>>4823670

Nobu's Fool of Owari title isn't just for show, she WILL start conflict if she's not specifically having fun and forced into cringe half baked diplomacy. Divving up the world can happen post war, it's putting artificial drama into a night that could be a serious carnival with some revelry rather than LE KINGS BANQUET :DDDDDDDDDDDD

>>4823656
Morgan has Arc as her handler at the elementals/immortal table. She can also interact with her new sister

>>4823664
I was considering this but they're a bad influence on the children. They have more in common with the other greeks and with Touko toggling off the rape on sight OUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH aura they'll do fine
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>>4823664
Medea Lily would enjoy it too. Its prob better than let her hang around argonauts for now
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>>4823670
Nobunaga is an ambitious impulsive retard that is pretty good at running a country.
They have the nickname 'The Fool of Owari' because of their autistic behaviour IRL.
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>>4823674
She wants to fuck Shinji, she isn't a kid anymore
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>>4823680
I thought she didn't want to fuck.
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Even above just who gets put at what table, we're using round tables or not having a head seat, right? Because thats asking for trouble.
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>>4823684
she immediately went for it before he shut her down. she wanted a seaweed rebound

>>4823685
of courshe
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>>4823687
Is it weird to fuck your wife's younger self?
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>>4823673
>It's Gil. He's starting to seriously consider Shinji a friend, do you really want that slight against him?
I really, really doubt Gil will take it as a slight to be put in the King table. He would be insulted with anything else, but not when we treat him like the King he is.

My thought process is this: I don't want Gil at the table we'll be sharing with the wives and Chiyome. I don't want to kick Medusa out to make room for him. There is absolutely nothing that can convince me on this. Fuck Gil, family come first.

The only other option is a King table, so there must be a King table. They are fucking Kings, they are neither as stupid nor do they disagree with each other as much as you assume they do. I don't want to recreate Zero, I'm just saying that if Gil and Iskandar didn't have a fight with Artoria who was diametrically opposed to them in the middle of a Grail War where they were supposed to kill each other anyway, the Kings will not fight here when they have similar philosophies and are already allies.

The FUN table is already the largest table. Ours will be overcrowded too with Gil an co in there. 7 tables are too few for 60+ people.

>>4823685
Round tables for sure, head seats will cause a deathmatch at most tables.
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>>4823689
But who takes the first napkin?
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>>4823689
>I don't want Gil at the table we'll be sharing with the wives and Chiyome
Any specific reason for this?
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>>4823689
>if Gil and Iskandar didn't have a fight with Artoria who was diametrically opposed to them in the middle of a Grail War where they were supposed to kill each other anyway

Also, weren't they about to have a fight right then but the Hundred Hassans attacked?
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>>4823687
>before he shut her down
She is not giving up after all the praise about Shinji Chiyome told her
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>>4823688
it's based in most other situations desu

>>4823693
cunnywitchwife will have to be dealt with later

>>4823690
Nyarly and Mordred keep having a temporal napkin tug of war
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Btw why have tables at all? Make it more like tables only banquet
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>>4823691
Imagine what the topics of conversation will be when we're alone with the wives (and Chiyome) vs when Gil is there too. Gil is too large to be contained, he will monopolize the conversation and he will cause our wives to have a worse time than if he wasn't there. The wives should be more important in our considerations, not Gil.

>>4823692
Artoria got upset first. Gil and Iskandar remained calm to the end. Iskandar even invited the Hassans to drink. This will not happen here, none of them are a self-sacrificing king. Quite the opposite.

>>4823699
Well, try your hand at the seating arrangements for a single table. I assure you it's a fucking nightmare.
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Of all the characters we were granting happy endings to, I was not expecting Jason at all.
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>>4823699
consider how one would mentally juggle and write a coherent evening without some form of themed groupings
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>>4823707
I wanted to fuck his boat at first when I floated the idea wayback. He's shown a lot of maturity though, especially towards cunnywitch after her curse broke
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>>4823707
Me neither. And after reading the original play, it's way, way more than he deserved.

>>4823709
>I wanted to fuck his boat
Do you still want to pretend you hate and want to skip the romance stuff?
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>>4823710
cucking Jason was simply to dab on him, there's no romance there
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>>4823706
>single table
Meant only tables with food and people go around form social groups by themselves
>>4823708
We can roll for social encounters, we have big pull of people and we roll who interacted with who and we get to partake in it
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>>4823711
Argo was always going to be Yandere for Jason though.
I hope he gets splinters on his dick.
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>>4823713
His pelvis won't survive one night

FIFTY TONNES
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>>4823689
>>4823687

Why not just ask Gilgamesh where he sees himself at the feast? He might say he doesn't care about all the mongrels at all and he can have his own corner with Ayaka. And if he does want to socialise, Ayaka being present should keep him from going too far when showing disdain for the mongrels.

Although he might be appreciative of position with the host, I'm not sure if he'll find it particularly interesting as we interact with the girls, or be stuck with them if we go check out the other groups.
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>>4823712
>Meant only tables with food and people go around form social groups by themselves
That's actually an interesting idea.
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>>4823714
Jason vs 50 ton mating press.
Can boats get pregnant?
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>>4823718
Of course. Where else would motherships come from?
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>>4823716
Clae is a better wrangler for him, but it's still a bit offensive. Shinji IC would know better is what I'm getting at.

If Nyarly shows up Gil is gonna be absolutely livid :^)))

>>4823718
Isn't he shooting blanks while he's still a servant?
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>>4823711
Let's just pretend I believe you and move on. We got his witch wife anyway, that's what's important.

>>4823712
Have you ever been at a gathering with a few dozen people who don't know each other and a buffet? I have, more than once, and so I will tell you what will happen: The people who already know each other will form the same groups they always do. The shy people with no group will not interact with anyone unless forced to. The most social will go from group to group meeting people, but very few of the people we have here are social enough to do this. And those not social will have a miserable time with 60 people to potentially interact with instead of just the less than 10 at their table.

It is much better to put people at tables with a common theme and manageable sizes. Get people to interact with new people for once, our faction is too insular as is.

>>4823714
He deserves worse things than death by snu snu.

>>4823716
Because he might say he wants to sit with us, and I'm very much opposed to the idea.
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>>4823721
Izanami in Requiem and Ami Kuzuki in Haya no Miyako show us that its most likely possible Servants can reproduce, and the children are Proximal-Servants or Quasi-Servants.
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The thing about seperate tables, while I do think the big food pile in the middle is good, is that it helps force people out of their groups that they refuse to budge from, and also keeps

>>4823650
these from happening, which will immediately cause spotfires Shinji will have to go put out, which is cringe to actually have to play through. Short of Alaya mindrape you will never make everyone like everyone else.
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>>4823725
Specifically Erice who is a descendant of Servant Izanami and has weird evil spirit power and in GO the scuffed Ame-no-Nohuko, and Ami Kuzuki has elf ears and can copy stuff she sees for some reason?
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>>4823725
Have you seen WhatIs when you even think about Requiem?
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>>4823725
>Ami Kuzuki in Haya no Miyako
>Ami is the daughter of Souichirou Kuzuki and an unnamed and unseen Greek woman presumed to be Medea
>Medea was preparing a potion, presumably for tonight.
Big Hmmm
I hope it's a son.
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>>4823728
Is the problem with Requiem "Why isn't it pruned" or just setting in general again, for him?
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Requiem is a Lostbelt tier fucked up world.
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>>4823735
poke him about it when he sips off the wage shackles in a few hours
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>>4823731
That clever bitch.
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>>4823738
Yeah, but so are a lot of Extra worlds. Last Encore World is set in 3000AD, has 10k humans all in all, the entire Tree was about to be pruned by Chakravartin Buddha set to on like a thousand years earlier.
Normal Extra had Hakuno basically agreeing that Twice was right but "you're a ghost tho" as to why he can't do his shit.
CCC ends are basically surviving by BTFOing the Moon Cell and exploiting it as a new frontier.

Tsuki worlds have weak and sickly Human Order so who even knows how their pruning works, or if it works at all, Program no.6 is coming to fuck everyone as per Melty, etc.
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>>4823731
>>4823746
One up her by concepting potion to make another super daughter
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>>4823747
Last Encore doesn't exist.
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>>4823347
Alberich was a Deadface and so were his siblings.
LOL
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>>4823751
Okay, Tsuki no sango then. Humanity won too hard. They solved every problem, have infinite energy generation, are terraforming the moon directly with the help of the Brain of the Moon, but they just lost motivation 90% of the population to exist and do shit.

Seems prime pruning material too, but for some reason (?) it exists for now.
And Notes. I wonder what happened to the Order with Liners and A-Rays around.

Last Encore was shit but my worldbuilding/lore autism demands that I acknowledge it as real
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>>4823752
They were actually mirrors, as per word of god.
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>>4823755
It's almost as if pruning is retarded and makes no sense in context of the setting...
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>>4823757
Mirrors of what?
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>>4823759
just read the posts you responded to, jobberman was actually mirrors
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>>4823759
Prob broken mirrors of humies Judas copied cause it works if you put it that way
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>>4823761
I don't get it.
What was he a mirror of?
He was supposed to be totally independent of his memory base. But wasnt.
What was the city a mirror of?
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>>4823767
A mirror of a mirror. It's all mirrors, all the way down.
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>>4823767
yes.
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How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
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>>4823768
Fractal?
>>4823767
Autistic school prez with no human emotions = Alberich
Terminally online misanthrope = useless human hating oni sister
Hot head delinquent = 1 iq wuxia protag
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>>4823772
Alberich's eyes were made out of imaginary numbers so they weren't real after all.
That might explain his inability to see through any form of stealth.
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>>4823775
>>4823768
>Fractal

It's a Kaleidoscope
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>>4823775
That's not how mirrors work >:(
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>>4823780
Broken mirror is idiom and only way mirror analogue works so ill go with their worst selves being mirror here
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Wouldn't Epiphanic Mirror have been a more suitable title?
More Chuuni sounding too.
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Also, remember when I speculated Medusa could be Earth Mother Goddess, probably Cybele?

CMIII and GO straight up say:

" It is written that the aboriginal Pelasgians worshiped Medusa when she was still a goddess. After the Pelasgians were conquered by other groups, Medusa was demonized from a great earth goddess into a monster. "

" Previously she had been a native earth mother goddess, but due to the scheme of the Olympians and the fanaticism of the people, she made a getaway to the Shapeless Isle together with her two sisters. "
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>>4822953
This covers all bases, do it
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>>4823788
Gorgon straight up has Potnia Theron in Babylonia.
And you can only use that with Earth Mother Goddess link.
Or cheatcodes.
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>>4823795
I think people thought that was from Tiamat juice or something, but now its clear.
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I want to see Jobberich in the next carnival
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It would be cool to have Shinji and Betty being summoned into Akeldama at the very start of the Paradox Grail War as a what-if.
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>>4823798
His sister need to be put under Shuten
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>>4823812
Have Sakura be Master during Awakening with Shinji summoned as Servant
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>>4823813
Shuten would probably molest her till she started acting like a real oni.
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>>4823814
Wasn't their daughter the Master of True Assassin?
Easier to replace their Servant.
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>>4823822
Was she? That would be another big plot hole if she was
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>>4823826
I think it was strongly implied.
Also there was nobody else it could have been and Sweets seemed to apply more relevance to her in particular.
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If we do ever meet Alberich can we just tell Vritra to vore him?
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>>4823849
Vore him yourself pussy
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>>4823870
He's probably full of Judas aids.
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So what won?
Also, any reqests for new thread OP backgrond?
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>>4823922
>Also, any reqests for new thread OP backgrond?
Today's Menu for the Emiya Family.
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>>4823922

>>4822953
this did
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>>4823922
>>4822953 won
Today's Menu for sure.
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>>4823925
Seconding this.

https://youtu.be/HsPeJImPkTs
Incorporating this song into the thread somehow would also be very nice
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>>4823964
>>4823925
>>4823922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZtJB-LtKsE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emb66UNsr54

Also, been doing a bit of Kanji autism on the side:

>Emiya
衛 - e - protection
宮 - miya - princess

Kiritsugu failed to protect his princess, and we know where that got him. Shirou did the opposite and ended up happy.

poetry
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>>4824037
>and ended up happy
sometimes.
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>>4824037
How did you get princess for Miya? I get shrine, palace, temple.
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>>4824055
http://www.romajidesu.com/kanji/%E5%AE%AE
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>>4824062
Feels like a stretch, eh. I am 99% its palace/castle guard or shrine guard fo that extra samurai imagery.
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>>4824071
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%AE%AE#Japanese
If you want a second source

宮 • (miya)

(Shinto) the place where a god resides: a shrine
(Buddhism) a temple holding a Buddhist statue
the place where a ruler resides: a palace
a member of the imperial family
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Big table would have worked best
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>>4824084
Never seen it actually used like that, but okay.
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Still working on the update, here have this Altera.
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>>4824122
Sorry we couldn't get ur waifu QM
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Right before the feast I suggest saving Weaver's king. Another individual for the king table.
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>>4824126
Who'd we pick instead of her? The useless ninja?
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>>4824150
Suzuka. Although I'm sure she will come in handy sooner or later.
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>>4824150
Wow, fuckin rude.
Don't be mean to your most loyal Servant.
You don't even know her Noble Phantasm.
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>>4824150
also I'm not sure what ninja we have that could be dubbed useless. Only ninja that comes to mind is Chiyome and she was super useful already by saving Illya, recovering for us Ishtar and Ereshkigal and now also saving Lily from the curse.
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>>4824150
>useless ninja
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>>4824154
She can big brain stuff so she makes incarnating servants easy
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>>4824126
>>4824122
I'm sure we can find a way. What catalyst would we need for her?
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>>4824162
We already have a catalyst with Alcides' sash
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>>4824162
Does riding skill work on Ancient Greek mecha?
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>>4824164
The Sash will give us Hippolyta before it gives Altera.
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>>4824164
Wasn't that destroyed?
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>>4824167
It regenerates according to QM
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>>4824167
Alcides can remake it in a day or so.
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>>4824160
I guess she should be able to do whatever the Moon Cell does with enough juice?
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>>4824167
It can be recovered through a command spell.
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>>4824174
How convenient
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>>4824172
Trichiliocosm makes her more powerful than the Moon Cell now, but she can only keep it up extremely briefly.
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>>4824176
She was always more processing than Moon Cell, I guess her concept lets her hold it a bit longer.
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>>4824162
Shirou has her sword
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>>4824179
I thought she was about equal to the Moon Cell before and her concept made her flatly superior.
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>>4824183
Wait really?
We can just ask Shirou to project every weapon as a catalyst after we downloaded every Type Moon weapon?
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>>4824188
He has everything from type moon wiki now
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Huh, I guess I really should've kept up to date more with Strange Fake.
Because Flat fucking died.
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>>4824191
technically not
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>>4824190
Like only things he cant make right now are things like Ea and other similar shit
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>>4824199
"Technically" he may as well have. Personality Death is still death.
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>>4824185
CCC event in GO had her as superior, while Foxtail and her mats just implied she was at or around that level.
Tbh there are a number of Servants who can trump/contend with Moon Cell in some things, mostly Divine based stuff.
Karna, Gil, Tamamo, Venus-Nero,
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>>4824122
Can Sefar unga truth concepts?
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>>4824207
Thats the scene where the pseudo/artificial-TA theories from Flat really got off the ground.
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>>4824213
Mooncell seems to buff the shit out of SUNCHADS, now that I think about it.
Maybe that's why Cu in Mooncell can beat Scath?
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>>4824213
>CCC event in GO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>4824224
I dunno. Scathach doesn't really do great in her appearances? Didn't she job to Cu Alter?
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>>4824219
No.
Truth Concepts stem from something that the race that constructed the Velber couldn't possibly comprehend, due to it being of a Truth beyond anything in the entire Multiverse.
It wouldn't be immune to the effects brought about truth concepts like it would be able to unga it's way through Authority.
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>>4824242
Cu Alter is enhanced with a grail though and is far more powerful than default Cu, so that's not really the anti-feat you're making it out to be.
Especially because Cu Alter says that even Arjuna wouldn't be able to defeat her.
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>>4824249
>Truth Altera can unga Root
Cool
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Oh I've also sort of changed how your concept changes work in regard to the throne.
They'll only take effect upon worlds you have personally observed or interacted with.
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>>4824263
True, I guess. The godslayer hype made me think she should've been able to though, in that case.
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>>4824266
Eh, makes sense. Changing everything everywhere was too much.

So, only our world, Zero Rin's, Rin Kotomine's and broken Rin's?
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>>4824270
It was a close battle, iirc.
Scathach zigged when she should have zagged and tried to use Gate of Skye.
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>>4824278
Or to put it another way.
A lancer tried to use their FOR REAL INSTANT SURE KILL ability and immediately got btfo.
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>>4824281
Why are they such a class of jobbers?

And why do we want to become one?
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>>4824281
Every time.
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>>4824287
Just dont be oirish or celtoid, bro
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>>4824287
I don't know, Shinji knows the power of narratives will fall in his favor if he uses a sword, especially in this world.
Lancer is the designated class of the jobber.
Also, I might give the Golden Sword of Truth a name...
Claíomh Solais
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>>4824287
Grand Roma and Li Shuwen
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>>4824300
>Golden Sword of Truth
Are you sure its not an Umineko reference?
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>>4824301
>Grand Roma
That's a fuckin grand, and Li is just a misclassed Assassin.
Normal Roma jobs to Nero, a Saber. SABER ALWAYS WINS
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>>4824300
I prefer just keeping it as the Golden Sword of Truth.
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>>4824300
Also Too late, Cruadín Catutchend as Irish Claiomh is already assimilated into Setanta Lily's NP in Arcade
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>>4824300
the most overpowered ability of all, genre savvy
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>>4824306
Positive.
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>>4824311
We already learned Bajiquan tho...did we learn the jian/sword forms too, then?
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Best girl is a Lancer though.
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>>4824300
>>4824311
>>4823347
Are you sure?
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>>4824323
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
OK you got me there.
But the reasoning for being a Saber even there was "SWORDCHADS ALWAYS WIN."
>>4824320
Sure, why not.
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>>4824314
Cruaidín isn't Claiomh Solais though?
It's basically a sword derived from the original Claíomh Solais, from what I gather.
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>>4824332
Just call it bluetext Sword. Conceptual Sword
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>>4824332
Its basically it but renamed because cultural changes and assimilation of tales afaik?
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>>4824343
Lame.
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>>4824337
Why did Alaya did that to Redman? Is that how she is going to use CGs now?
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>>4824346
Even wikipedia gives shit like

"The assertion has been made that Claidheamh Soluis is "a symbol of Ireland attributed in oral tradition to Cúchulainn" (James Mackillop[3]), although none of the tales listed above name Cuchulainn as protagonist. T. F. O'Rahilly only went as far as to suggests that the "sword of light" in folk tales was a vestige of divine weapons and heroic weapons, such as Cúchulainn's shining sword Cruaidín Catutchenn,[114]" though one should be careful with this line, of myth shit because it directly leads to Claiomh Solais also being Excalibur.
Basically "sword of light" stuff from that area, maybe they're separate in nasuland?
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>>4824326
>Sure, why not.
Alright then. We'll have to start sparring with King Mordred so she can teach us how to sword good.
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>>4824358
Who even really knows what's going on inside Nasu/the writing staff's head/s half the time?
Claimh Solais is also linked to Gae Bolg as well as Lugh's sling, so ????????
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Dead quest
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>>4824417
Kur holiday.
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>>4824419
Eresh roads take me home
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>>4824266
So no cute ninja being free in every world? Shame.
We need to ask rin for something from every world so we can interact with every world.
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>>4824443
To the cage where I belong
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>>4824450
>So no cute ninja being free in every world? Shame.
The worlds aren't real unless you observe them anyway. Zelretch logic.
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>>4824451
New Kur, underworld mamma
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>>4824470
I didnt create femme fatale Rin ok?
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>>4824470
The only way not to turn completely insane with all the parallel worlds out there.
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Test!
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>>4824478
Shit.
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>>4824471
Take me underground, Eresh roads
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>>4824480
waiting for a thread to move on under Eresh's care?
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>>4824266
>if I don't see it it didn't happen

>>4824300
>>4824317
YOU CANT DO THAT!
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>>4824536
>>4824536
>>4824536
>>4824536
>>4824536
>>4824536
Threbb :DDD
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>>4824175
Every single labour can be recovered in FSF without even using a CS, it's more of a nerf.

In FSF his master has 0 CS as he used them all to BLACK Alcidies
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>>4824568
dead thread you dumb nigger



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