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TalOS has spent his time meeting brother after brother while setting forth the policies of the Federation’s expansion. Such is the era of discovery for the Imperium that so many are fortunately found. It shall be realized soon, that this is the time where TalOS shall experience the most irrevocable of changes in both his relations and his soul.

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Blue eyes looked upon the large symbol that was etched into the surface of the planet that laid below them. He listened to the natives of Macragge who said that someone who could even consider making this must have been of so much vanity that it is beyond even the Gods. These words were only brought up here on the planet of Lucius for they saw the Emperor for what he was, a pinnacle of mankind and thus deserved every piece of golden armor he wore.

Roboute looked upon it with a somewhat different eye. It was pride for sure, but this pride was beyond more than just branding their planet. Every piece of manufactured goods they made, let it be weapons, cyborgs, or cups, all bore upon them the symbol. Robute also knew that the symbol was an ‘L’, which is a letter in high gothic dialect derived from Terra itself.

To think Roobute came to a simple observation. This symbol was not the vanity of his brother but an entire planet of Priests thinking they are just that much better than all other Forge Worlds. There was a practical to all this however that went over all of this talk. And to Robute’s understanding it was not because TalOS was upon the planet.

It was that the mark of Lucius meant the product was made to the highest quality. Practical, it was a literal brand in every sense that had ever been invested into that word. Goods directly off of the Forge World are rare thanks to most of its resources being given to its Auxilia. So when the Astartes received a bolter that operated at a higher standard they would look upon the gun to see the brand of Lucius upon it.

Roboute Guilliman recognized this after talking to the War-Born about his brother. When he told his sons that he was going to talk to his brother they had requested him to order them ten thousand boltguns from the Star-Forge Planet.

Such a request was like a blade to Roboute’s head when he heard it. Even now he could still feel the pain of ordering a small Legion’s worth of Boltguns when they are so rare and valuable. The Master of Ultramar learned that Lucius did not even specialize in the creation of boltguns. They were focused on the production of tanks and Titans! The Practical was that he was going to be charged two or three times the price for the same weapon they could get from Mars.

Roboute Guilliman decided that the ultimate desire of his sons will need to be on a lower priority in comparison to Ultramar. With the blessing of his True Father, the Emperor of Mankind, to expand his personal Fiefdom into the stars such a request can be asked for later. What Guilliman needed now was exactly what Lucius produced, tanks and ships for his mortal Legates.

These were his aims, a list of terms that shall be revealed over the course of conversation. It was a list that will only last for as long as he makes good introductions.
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The Primarch of the Thirteenth Legion flew down onto the planet from one of the many Stormbirds that were among his holdings. What made this one stand out among all others was it was a rare model which had originated from the Lucian Auxiliary which joined the War-Born Legion.

He had asked if he could requisition their assistance with being flown down onto the planet. He was given a courteous nod of understanding and a vow of service as he and the Centarii had a drink of the Fabricator General’s B33R.

Alcohol. In all his discussions with the Tech Priests which originated from Mars Guilliman could not get a good understanding of why his brother made alcohol for his Legion. Leman Russ made sense, it was their culture, but from his attempts to satisfy his curiosity the son of Konor Guilliman to mix results. He could have tried the Priests who came from Lucius, to learn from those closest to his brother, but Guilliman also understood they were not close. The only person to get a close confidant of TalOS was Rogal Dorn, who had the Fabricator General’s predecessor among his ranks.

Looking around Guilliman took stock of numerous Tech Priests, both of Lucius and Mars, who he had taken the liberty of talking to throughout the days. They were going to be his guides in this very foreign world that the Masters of Machines have made for themselves. Around him were the War-Born, each of whom were decorated into the Ultramarine colors of Macragge.

As Guilliman felt the gravity of the planet begin to put pressure upon him he wondered if he had enough information. If more was needed then it was information that was not accessible without immense effort. He will need to be satisfied with the information he holds within his mind to craft any theoreticals and practicals during his meeting with his brother.

The Primarch of the Thirteenth looked at the tailgate of his transport for a moment to think. Everything around him crawled to a slow pace as he made sure his robes were acceptable and his standing was adequate. The son of Nobility thought back to the lessons his tutors told him on how to act in these forums, remembering the few times he was disciplined and corrected those subtle errors that he was making.

After these seconds of thought Guilliman allowed the outside world to resume. It was just in time as the tailgate opened to rapturous applause and a powerful sun which bared down upon him.
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The first thing that Guilliman noticed was the sheer number of people who had come to see his arrival. He had heard of the spat and humiliation that his brothers previously had. The fear being that they would look down upon other Primarchs for dueling this sovereign. As he looked around a theory was formed that many of these people were not from Lucius itself but the Federation that his brother Forged. Looking around at the numerous skins and body types, Guilliman was more than willing to believe it.

Whatever bad thoughts might have been with Primarchs and Lucius, people still would not miss the chance to see one in person. Now Guilliman wondered if these people were looking at him like they would a foreign gladiator for their entertainment.

The Master of Macragge decided that doing nothing would bring more issues and began to wave at the people. He gave them the most charming smile which he knew caused many of the ladies who walked among the Senate to faint upon the mere sight of it. Knowing that its effects were going to be dampened by the presence of the hordes of people he brought forward its full might.

After about half a mile of travel the loudest horns that Gulliman had ever heard blared their might for him to hear. He did not let his surprise show, instead his eyes looked towards the Titans of Lucius, the Legio Astorum, to see their full glory brought out. This might have been seen as a scare tactic by his brother, which would be sound practical, but seeing as there were legions of people here cheering him, Guilliman assumed that was their form of greeting.

The further he walked the more he noticed the people changed. Here and there he began to see the Steel Dragon Astartes who were garrisoned to this planet keeping back the crowd. Among the crowd were a series of robed figures who almost all bore a red stripe which marked them as participants of the Reconquista. These Priests were joined by what Guilliman identified as Nobility and a series of small Titans which the Primarch learned to be Knights.

The Primarch has seen a few of them from Mars and the Auxilia. There was truth when the word ‘few’ was said as Guilliman only saw them one at a time. Seeing what he realized was fifty mechs here in addition to the Titan Legion, he realized the power his brother wielded. Again, as referenced before, Roboute knew this was used as an act of greeting and honor to the Primarch. So he accepted it as such.

As Guilliman came to a staircase the loud crackle of weapons fire could be heard from him, a series of blanks and low powered munitions that signified Guilliman’s ultimate arrival to his brother’s palace. Roboute finished waving to the crowd and began the walk to close in upon his brother.
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There had been numerous descriptions and details given as to what TalOS looked like and they were all different. An inquisitive mind would have called half of these as hearsay but upon talking to the Priests of Mars Roboute understood that the body was as fluid as any machine to the cultists. He was even caught off guard once by a Priest who turned from a giant warform to a motorized brain in a jar. He avoided making a fool of himself through noticing the serial numbers laid across the tank and matching them with the original form.

Remembering this he feared the worst. Much to Guilliman’s delight and mind it seemed he caught his brother on a good day when it came to augmentations.

His form was first and foremost extremely human. He did not even sort the odd mechanrite or servo-arm which many of his kin kept upon their persons. His left arm, which was reportedly destroyed in his early life, was attached to its owner once again.

He felt a creep going down his back as Theoreticals formed. The Theory being that his brother knew the ins and outs of a Primarch’s body. For all intents and purposes he knew Guilliman’s body more than Guilliman knew himself.

The closer and closer the two became the more Guilliman could see. About his brother’s body were a series of metal screws that covered both his head and his arms. Instead of Guilliman’s blue eyes the Tech Priest had replaced them with a dark red that was clearly mechanical in nature. They were studying Guilliman just as much as Guilliman was studying them. The thought he had a moment ago made itself known again, which the Primarch banished to the depths of his mind.

He was getting anxious. Something was not right here. Subtle changes to the body that were clearly not what their Father meant for them made themselves known. He was slightly thinner, his head just a tad too small for the body. As if to mock him Guilliman swore he saw the skin upon the exposed hand of TalOS move.

His brother was not a Primarch anymore. Not according to the wishes of their Father. He was master of his own body and this proved the fact that TalOS had made his own Astartes. How couldn’t he? If he was given enough time Guilliman was sure he would take a crack at trying to create another Primarch.

“It is a pleasure to meet you brother.” he said in a mechanical voice that synthesized mortal speech with near perfection, “We have lots to talk about.”

When Guilliman reached the final step the Fabricator General extended his arm in an old greeting. Taking his fellows arm in a shake, Guilliman spoke, “We do brother. We do.”

>Same as always, to the mother
>Tour the facilities
>Want a small game?
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>>5493698
I just realized this but if someone knows a good AI art generator we can probably say 'Terry Davis Tech Priest' and get a result.
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>>5493698
>Tour the Facilities

We must have heard he is a fellow king. Lets show him our industrial might, make small talk and get our measure.
Learn information, to prepare for compiling a data-preditive file.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother.

I find the reaction of dear little blue very satisfying, the idea that Tal0S has too much power is absolutely correct.
And If it's up to me, this truth will become even more obvious.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

Truly the best judge of character, plus Rowboat will be able to relate to having a family
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>>5493700
Look, it wasn't the best generation, but it's a start.
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>>5493700
But the generation of scenarios, I confess that I am impressed.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
It is tradition
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>>5493728
Seem the Abominable Intelligence is good at armor, but struggles with faces.
>>5493730
All of them look good.
Bottom right would fit right in at Mezoa.
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>>5493698
>Tour the Facilities
Sounds good to learn more about him.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>5493733

That's right, unfortunately you can't make decent images of characters, at least not on the AI I used. But the scenarios, you can make a lot of description of the area in board games much easier with the images that the AI creates.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
>Tour the facilities
Talos Dav15 loves his Mama, everybody knows that.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>To the mama!

I can't wait to show nanite combat mode.
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>>5493694
>"He had heard of the spat and humiliation that his brothers previously had."
Other than Fulgrim, who is this refering to?
>>5493698
> to mums house.
No corpsestarch this time. Only Grox.
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>>5493698
>>Want a small game?

I would pick the Mama option, but this one made me curious.
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>>5493698
Hey QM, just as a question, could we use the Nanobots to permanently make improvements to our biology by either using them to alter our genetics or by using them to physically insert new materials into our megastructure (ie adding Auremite latticing to our bones, or carbon femtosilk muscle attachments, etc), I'm excited either way
Furthermore, I'd really love to make a Mechanicus equiv to the Crusader's cross but made out of Gears and wrenches or something
>Inb4 in the future an experimental mix between our Geneseed and the Geneseed of the Salamander
>The Carbonite Crusaders are well known for their support of civilian populations and their battle prowess

Also the mention of Talos making a Primarch is definitely interesting, what would he be if our Acillians/Astartes are already our Sons? Maybe our Heir?
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>>5493948
Two variants: Horus as something unintentional like refusing to go to Council the first time or Alpharius as something intentional xD
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>>5493964
That's a good one, but unfortunetly we don't know what Primarch's body is made of. And TalOS know. Whatever you're listing is most likely already inside the Primarch by the Emperor's design, as we know that he used even some alien technologies and genes for Primarch project. Upgrading Astartes or Acilians on the other hand with that is quite interesting, imo.
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>>5493698
>Want a small game?
This is Roboute. The master at real time, real life strategy. He played at least 20 games of VR Galaxy Simulator via his Strategios Dark Age machine with Corvus Corax, winning 17 of them. (The machine basically simulated the entire galaxy plus allowed for VR primarch duels with true accuracy as if they were truly dueling)

Yeah the dude would love to play a game lets have one with him.
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>>5493964
>>5493974
We had a big list of such ideas several threads ago and got approval so had AL4N and VADAR get to work improving both the biology and mechanical parts of our legion + our legionaries have free reign to augment themselves.

I believe the best way to Interpret it is to say "think of every reasonably cool thing a Mechanicum trained and modified 2nd Legionaire could do" and it basically has happened or left up to player imagination.

As a rule of thumb for example I imagine many in our legion are quite tall because why wouldnt you want bigger stronger bionics. Easily matching Salamander or Alpha Legion size. None the least because remember our Acillians have the Magnificat, something our Astartes dont, and we made efforts to boost it so actually it's likely excluding bionics our Acillians grow naturally taller and beefier than out Astartes.

When QM gives you a blank cheque for imagination, I think it's good to make the most out of it without requiring explicit acknowledgement.

It helps that the Emperor approved the Acillian program and our own body mods, which is silent blessing for us to conduct our own super soldier science projects.
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>>5493728
>>5493730
>>5493733
sorry, we will try better next time.

>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother

Joking aside, loved the update and how deep you went into Guillimans mind for this, its always interesting to see the MC from an outside perspective.
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
Mother should have more guests that enjoy her cooking.
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>>5493698
>Want a small game?
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>>5493691
>Goods directly off of the Forge World are rare thanks to most of its resources being given to its Auxilia
I like that we are keeping the very best stuff for ourselves and just manufacturing 'the rest' for our brother legions.

Luckily we should easily be able to supply them all with bolters because we prefer our Volkite standardization, having achieved the Emperor's vision of at least one Legion that has superseded the bolter for them.

>The Practical was that he was going to be charged two or three times the price for the same weapon they could get from Mars.
Hmmm, even our surplus is more expensive than that of Mars main produce, that's hilarious. But hey, it's what you get for artisan works. We aren't just making your bog standard Mars pattern, this is Lucius Pattern. Even the Lucius Lasgun's hit harder than Mars Pattern, and why the Kriegers like em.

Just hope he doesn't ask us for the volkites next. He just escaped Ultramars warp storm and does not have 500 worlds to pay for fancy shit. Yet. We should help with that. After we've ensured we have more than 500 worlds

>>5493692
This must surely be the moment when we inspire Guiliman to build his Propylae Titanicus, the "Titan's Gate", and to get Ultramar it's own Titan Legion to impress Lion during Imperium Secundus. Wonder if Legio Astorum will end up teaching Legio Praesagius of Ultramar a thing or two in its creation.

Anyway Bravo QM! I was hoping to see lots of Guilliman's trademark analysis and you definitely didn't disappoint!
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What games would we know or are commonly played?
Regicide?
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>>5494277
Regicide is probably universal anywhere human civilization survived Old Night (because it's just chess) it would be an interesting one because we can see if TalOS enhanced brain with computer augments has the capacity to solve the entire game-tree.

Russ also invented his own wood based puzzle-strategy game where you place pieces on a board and use knobs and levers to move the field around, one side playing a Jarl and his soldiers and another a larger horde of beasts. He played it against Khan and Malcador. We might know that one and so might Guilliman if he met him first.
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>>5494301
If I'm not mistaken the white scars play mahjong too
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>>5493698
>Same as always, to the mother
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>>5493964
I was under the assumption that we were now an von neuman swarm in human form.

Gone even further than nanites, our very molecules were at our command as tiny robots that would allow us to manipulate biology and tech at will. The distinction having been erased.

I mean sure. The emperor or isha could probably beat us by using the warp to ignore the hard limits on materials but not when it comes to fine manipulation.
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>>5494673
... That is not how nanites work?

I mean, they might be able to work on atomic structures like molecules, but doing that on ones own body is a very good way to die a gruesome death, by being turned into bio-soup. Also, i do not believe they are von neuman style nanites, since we turned our heart into a nanite factory, therefore they may not be able to self-replicate in any major capacity.
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>>5494673
>I was under the assumption that we were now an von neuman swarm in human form.
Unforunately QM explicitly said last thread that's not what we are doing. Not "yet" anyway. Instead, we retain most of our biomass which is infused with nanites. So when hit our body, which is already pretty sturdy as a Primarch, hardens up

For now we are limited to our primary biomass and original flesh form.

>Gone even further than nanites, our very molecules were at our command as tiny robots that would allow us to manipulate biology and tech at will.
This is likely how QM may ascribe Necrodermis, which is basically how Ferrus Manus arms work since they're always in motion like fluid metal but hard when needs to be.
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>>5494745
In the lore, necrodermis comes in many forms and shapes, though it is sometimes called a metal and other times a composite, the effects of the metal arrives from different applications of Necron science, with nanomachines just being one of them:

"Though the means can vary between Necron dynasties and the skills of the Crypteks that serve them, this miracle is often the result of billions-strong swarms of nanoscarabs (...) However, as with most of the Necrons' arcane techno-sciences, there are almost as many ways to manipulate matter as there are Crypteks. Captive phase-gates, subatomic infusers and temporal loop shrouds can all exhibit similar effects to nanoscarab swarms." -On how necrodermis "heals" itself.

We can therefore reasonbly assume that if we had some nanomachines make either pico- or femtomachines, then we would be able to replicate the effect of necrodermis (although this would also require us to find a material that could stand up to damage as well as necrodermis does. A viable contentor of this would be auromite, though we would have to check it out).

If we want a more human/archaeo-tech version of "Living metal", then we should find out how the armor of the Castigator-class titan was made, since it acted very much like necrodermis, though it does seem to be less strong (ie. its resistance to damage is lower, though it heals just like necrodermis).
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The face of TalOS grew to a smile. “Then we shall head towards my old home. It is not terribly far from here and is much more quant than my Manufactorium.”

“Lead the way.” Guilliman told his brother while trying to keep whatever fears were quaking within his head from being shown.

Wordlessly the Fabricator General turned around and walked his way towards the vehicle. Guilliman understood the model as it was one of many Infantry Transports that the Lucian Auxilia used. While normal transports were not large enough to allow a Primarch entry, this open topped vehicle gave more than enough room for two larger than average men to travel.

What struck the Primarch of the Thirteenth as odd was the fact they were not going into the massive complex that TalOS owned. It was the most sound option to show both grandeur and capability to him. As a way to show what TalOS might provide was indeed the real deal.

The Fabricator General simply stayed silent though as he took his seat. Guilliman decided to sit across from his estranged brother so that if they needed to talk it would be easy to do so.

When the rest of the cohorts were loaded and the Tech Priests that accompanied Roboute dispersed they were off. Still not a word was spoken from TalOS DAV1S, which in itself irked a sense of awkwardness for Guilliman. So he began studying and analyzing, taking in a perfect picture of his brother.

This generation of TalOS’s face was built like his own, a strong pair of cheekbones that was common across all sons of the Emperor. This brother sported what Guilliman identified as a slightly enlarged jawline, which begged the question if this was natural or artificial. There were many pictures of Tech Priests having their jaws enlarged or snapped for a vox caster built in. TalOS was a Primarch though, and Guilliman knew he chose this more humanoid form, so the Theoretical was that this was indeed the true face of his brother.

“I see you are admiring my work, Roboute.” were the first real words that TalOS said to Guilliman, “It was a little difficult to reconstruct my skin and arm. It was the reason I made sure to keep back a series of samples.”

“That is… good to know. If I am in need to medical assistance than I will come to you.+ Guilliman told his brother with a small hum of thought, “If that day does come.”

“If it does there will be much I can achieve.” TalOS answered back with a good amount of pride within his voice.
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Guilliman had not walked the lands of the Mechanicum. To his knowledge only Rogal Dorn had walked on the surface of Mars, and his other brothers walked this planet. Such thoughts and knowledge did not hold back the wandering of his eyes as he decided he spent enough time studying the remodeling of his brother.

There were a great many spires that pierced the sky here, all of them easy to see from the open top vehicle that they rode. Guilliman noted that though these smoke stacks were plentiful, very few of them had black soot coming out of them. From the descriptions of other Forge Worlds the Primarch would have expected this to be different.

When that thought came another thought quickly answered it. When he first walked this planet he felt the ever hot core which was the Star in the middle of the planet. It would then make sense that the Lucians were smart enough to harvest this wonder of techno-sorcery to their whim for the means of power and fire for forges. It was practical, and so Guilliman approved.

The next thing he noticed was the series of rail lines which criss crossed the skyline of the metropolis. The trams crossed through the air at speeds Guilliman would have understood as insane. A normal man who was upon those vessels would have had their necks snapped the moment it started moving.

He was not in a realm of normal men though. Guilliman was in the land of efficient machines. By managing the acceleration and deceleration so closely they were cutting hours off of transport times every month. In Theory, if the people were built for it, then this network could raise the output of the collective many times more.

There were many things like this across the place. Let it be the numerous flight craft wondering the skies or what Guilliman realized was several tons worth of materials being converted from one manufactorium to another. When it came to the Mechanicum and production, as Guilliman understood from his lessons, these were in fact relationships and treaties placed between each of the adepts who owned a facility. To run such conveyor belts from one workshop to another is roughly akin to marriage in the bizarre minds of the Tech Adepts.

There were plenty of things here besides the more bizarre that Guilliman realized were genius techniques developed over centuries of isolation. Seeing the large robotic arm which effortlessly changed railcards from one section of rail to another came to mind.

Slowly the vehicle that they were riding came to a rest. TalOS was the first one off, with Guilliman following in his brother’s footsteps. They entered a small door that looked to be an auxiliary to the greater manufactorium. Whatever TalOS wanted to show Guilliman, it was not going to be the face of an absolute leader.
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As Guilliman walked into the place he felt his understanding of the world be somewhat shaken. Sure there had been times that Guilliman did not know what was around him. Those were the times where he learned that he did not know everything, and that he would need to seek many answers to life out. Before him, Guilliman did not know where to start.

Numerous pieces and bits of technology were strung about the place with either a careless mind or one who did not care for how things looked. Some parts he recognized, many of them foreign to him. Of all the things he should recognize, a teleportation beacon was something that Guilliman did not think he would see again strung out in the open.

The only other time he had seen such technology was in the possession of the Emperor’s personal guard.

The two of them took seats at a table which seemed to have been created for men just of their size. That would have been Practical if Roboute did not notice the age and wearing down the table had taken as if someone was hitting it with a hammer over several years.

“Has something caught your eye brother?” His brother asked, obviously noticing where he was looking.

An odd time to ask that question but Guilliman was not going to be one to judge, “This table was not built for you, was it? Was it a work table for someone?”

“It is my parents, as we are in their workshop.” TalOS answered his brother as he rubbed his human hands on the table, “This table is not the normal one my folks used, so I can only assume they were using the standard table for some work in the back.”

Understanding was reached and it was sound. However that was only understanding in one aspect, “Why have you chosen this venue?”

“Because my mother’s cooking is the best.” TalOS said simply.

Roboute Gulliman, Primarch of the 13th Legion Warborn and Master of Macragge, allowed a burst of laughter to come from himself upon such a simple explanation. His humors settled as fast as they became unbalanced leaving him with a warm heart.

“Mother’s cooking, when was the last time Tarasha fed me with her own cooking.” Guilliman said as he thought to himself, “It does not matter, I look forward to having a meal that you recommend brother.”

“It will be one to remember.” TalOS answered back, “Each of our brothers I know feel that.”
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“So this is tradition to you? Break bread in this workshop?” Guilliman pressed forward with genuine interest.

“It is. Only Ferrus Manus was one who did not get this chance, and that was because he wished to be out in the galaxy as soon as he was allowed.” TalOS answered Guilliman with a hint of honor, “I do not know if you had the chance to meet him, strong headed but a good man.”

“I have not and will not for a while. I understand that he is leading a campaign in the south eastern fringes. I know we will meet when the War Council Convenes.” Guilliman said as he thought about the stories about the brother with steel arms.

“It is a weird way to speak of a family reunion.” His brother pointed out with what Guilliman realized was a bit of camp banter, “A War Council to be the place we all meet for the first time together. Our Creator either knows the irony, ignores it, or knows his creations too well.”

Guilliman thought about the implications that were presented by TalOS. The Theory was sound as unlike a family gathering, a military affair like this one did not need everyone to be in agreement. If it was a family reunion then it would be hard to convince everyone to join when animosity is already forming between each of them.

That, and at least one of their brothers will not go if it's for something as ‘petty’ as a reunion.

“I am sure it is all those reasons and more.” Guilliman said, choosing to ignore for the moment the specific words that TalOS used to describe their Father, “I look forward to seeing us all together. Let it be if any of us had quarrels before or formed friendships, it will be good to meet everyone at once.”

>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
>Keep the opinion neutral
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.
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>>5494901
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.
We should be careful, I think Abominable Intelligences want to find out about our pariah research
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>>5494901
>>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>>5494901
>>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.

Well the whole Heresy started from this, so it's a valid statement
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.

Let us give them all a big hug when we meet them even Fulgrim, the sanctimonious asshole that he is, deserves some familial love!

>>5494924
By the Machine God! This can not stand! Our secrets must not fall into their hands.

It also appears to me that the CAPTCHA spirit is up to something... Dark.
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>>5494901
>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.
>As much as any of us might dislike the others, it is important to remember two things, firstly, that we are family and secondly, that we are perhaps the only beings in the galaxy that stand a chance of fully understanding eachother, both of those points should not be forgotten
I can't wait until we have an awkward conversation with Lorgar about religion, also I really want to make gifts for each of the brothers we haven't met (and maybe one for Sanguinius as a peace offering)
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>>5495163
I support this statement.
>Support

There are 20 [21?] of us. and nobody else will get it
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>>5494896
Great, confirmation of the Skorpios. Chalk one more item off the research list.

>>5494899
Based brothers with good parents.
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
TalOS may have disagreements with Fulgrim, but even Fulgrim is a brother.

Also it's easier to not hold grudges when you are rich.
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>>5495163
>"Awkward Conversation"
I think QM makes it abundantly clear via Fulgrim that Primarch arguments rarely just end at arguments. I have a feeling we're going to duel.
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
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>Animosity is not something that can be easily ignored.

I wanna Krump Fulgrim
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>>5494901
>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
When you're successful, you don't care about your detractors.
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>>5494901
>>Keep the opinion neutral
cautious optimism.
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>>5494901
>>It will be good to meet each other in a larger setting.
We should bring Mom along to cater the event and load a tanker with a cycle's worth of B33R production. See if our Europan Astartes have a nice Terran tatosalat recipe they'd like to contribute, maybe bring along some captive xenos to BBQ. Gotta go all out for a family reunion.
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Its a Grudging
>>5494924
>>5495015
>>5495163
>>5495183
>>5495281

Good to meet one another
>>5495033
>>5494965
>>5494969
>>5495145
>>5495182
>>5495217
>>5495227
>>5495275
>>5495291
>>5495780

Neutral
>>5495518
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rememver to upvote the archive fags https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=The%20Machine%20QM
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Guilliman studied the face of his brother as he put forward his thoughts. Every word the Primarch of the War-Born said was as true as it could possibly be. Matters were though that he knew people would have different opinions than himself. It would be good to have an idea of where TalOS stood on such an issue.That was the Practical, at least.

He witnessed his brother’s eyes widen a little and a smile glow, “Animosity will come, but I too look forward to our meeting. In the end issues like those are temporal in nature. The facts of our lives can quickly supersede whatever rivalries there might be.”

“I see, I see.” Guilliman said as he processed the words spoken with the analysis of a trained psychiatric.

The first and foremost was that if there were issues TalOS saw them as fictional. What he cared about were results and facts, that fact being that he saw himself as a step above Fulgrim at this current moment. Could Guilliman call that Hubris? The records show that such Hubris is warranted especially since Fulgrim had no sort of recourse against TalOS.

That was the fact the child of Macragge realized was the matter. A Practical that TalOS has also realized. Being of the Mechanicum and not out on Crusade TalOS was divorce from all happenings. That included things such as requesting others for support or being circumstance forcing them to be closer. If TalOS was to go to war it would be his choice alone.

And if word going around was right, then he had chosen Rogal Dorn to be his partner in war.

“I see you two are having a good time.” Another voice came from the far end of the workshop which snapped Guilliman out of his thoughts. It was far more robotic than TalOS, and the figure that came out would match the voice.

The one to approach was a Tech Priest with a platter of cooked Corpse Starch on a plate. She was female in a basic form but adopted a series of machines to it. One of these machines placed a pair of cast iron plates before the Primarchs and the platter was lowered before them with a gentleness that fit a mother.

“I thank you, madam.” Guilliman told the Priest with a small nod which mimicked a bow, “It is my honor to be served by someone who raised my brother. May I know your name?”

“I am Magos E11IE, partner to C4R in his Teleportation exploits.” She informed the Primarch with a small cheer, “It is always a good time to have one of TalOS’s brothers here. Even that rude one.”

“It always is.” TalOS told his mother with a heartful smile upon his face.
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Guilliman gave a nod to the woman as he looked at the food that was placed before him. He was not foreign to Corpse Starch for it was one of the many things that were upon Macragge. For those on Macragge though Corpse Starch, or was not made of people but of random pieces of animals and planets. Anything that could be used was used and given to the poorest.

On Macragge it was called the mystery bar, for you never really knew what was in it. One thing you did know was that there was no human flesh in it. What was before Roboute definitely was.

He had his hesitations about engaging in 3rd degree cannibalism. If given the choice he might have even decried the practice all together. Those were sound options that held within them a good sense of honor. None of his people would have decried him for resisting such things.

That however was not practical. He was here to make a deal happen and a deal was what he needed to make. To offend TalOS just like Fulgrim would damn Guilliman’s vision to decades more of building.

Thus a practical was reached, and he took a bite.

Guilliman expected for his senses to be overwhelmed with the life and memory of those who were made of this. There was a time when he was forced to eat at a mystory bar because his father wanted to make a point about devisation and poverty. When he ate that material he experienced the world of Macragge from the eyes of a beast. To see the brutality that all beasts like them experienced throughout their entire lives. Such a thing Guilliman always had when he ate meat, but the sheer vividness of consuming the bar sat within his mind.

It was quickly theorized that bits of that bar had a brain in it. It was the reason he never indulged in any brain eating rituals that other families or realms practiced.

That was not what happened here though. Instead of the numerous memories of those who were placed into this paste Guilliman felt a weird rub of matter. Fog was the best way for it, for whatever organ he possessed that allowed him to see the memories of what was eaten was being played with by the Corpse Starch.

A food built specifically for a Primarch. Guilliman was held in a moment of amazement as he realized that nothing was made like this was and never will he eat something like this. Maybe he should amend his comment, for this was not going to be the last time he and TalOS ate together.
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“Did you enjoy the experience?” TalOS asked his brother in a trivial manner.

“Experience?” The Macraggian gave a laugh as his brother summarized a Primarch’s relationship with food in a single word, “It was an odd one. Never had I had a food which so easily fooled my mind.”

“It is only easy because I research it.” Shot TalOS’s mother as she pierced her lips, “It took me three weeks of research to find something that your brother could eat. Imagine your son telling you that he knows the lives of those he ate. It was both a blessing and a terror.”

“I can imagine. When it was first happening to me I did not say a thing thinking everyone had those experiences. I was corrected after a year.” Guilliman laughed as old memories came up, “It was a particularly nasty beast that one was. It was so rotten I tasted it.”

“Oh, interesting.” an odd reply came from the Priest as she gave a courteous bow to TalOS, “I need to get back to the workshop. Do not break anything.”

“We will not.” TalOS told his adoptive parent which was joined with a small bit of what Guilliman learned to be binaric code.

That was a little odd, Guilliman realized. Was that code given to notify him or was it something else? It was too short for anything substantial to be said the Primarch reasoned. So maybe it was a command of some kind?

He was the Fabricator General. Maybe there is an extra dynamic in their relationship because of that.

The two of them ate a little bit more, much to Guilliman’s mixed feelings. He was honest when he said it was an experience eating the meal but the thought of it having humans in it still rubbed on him. The Primarch chose not to show it, and if his brother noticed his discomfort he did not show it.

One thing Guilliman noted was that TalOS had a confidant. A Tech Priest by the name of UZ1 C0LT was close to him and Guilliman had not seen a person match her description anywhere near them. He wondered where she was, and if he should be worried of why she has not shown herself.

It could be anywhere from the woman working on paperwork to setting up assassins for Roboute’s life. The latter was extreme paranoia, so Guilliman decided the former was more reasonable as he knew he had his brother’s trust.
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The meal was finished and Guilliman watched as a Servitor came over to take the dishes. He felt a small moment of pain seeing a man’s contorted face looking back at him with no expression.

“You are not the first brother to look at a servitor like that.” TalOS announced with a clear acknowledgement of Guilliman’s mental state, “That is something you and Rogal both share in common.”

Seeing as his jig was up the Warborn’s Primarch gave a small shrug, “It is hard to look at someone as… human and not as human as this fellow. I do understand that he deserves this fate?”

“And he is redeeming himself in the eyes of the Machine God.” TalOS answered his brother with confidence, “Such is the punishment for the murder of your fellow man.”

Guilliman gave a solemn nod to those words, “He knew what his chances were and failed at it. Fool.” Those were just enough words for someone who would so willingly slaughter their fellow man without care.

Seeing as a chance came Guilliman took in a heavy breath and spoke his mind, “TalOS, I am sure you already suspect that I have come here as Ruler of Macragge. I have a propsition for your Federation.”

“You have my attention.” Answered his fellow Primarch with the pride and force of a venerable leader.

“I come to you looking for a trade deal.” Guilliman decided that being forthright about his desires were going to be the best way to go about this, “While I have a Legion, I have millions of men whose equipment are below imperial standard. If I am to expand I am in need of getting military goods for them, such as lasguns and tanks.”

“That could be ordered. But what in return do you ask for?” TalOS asked his brother.

“Firstly, you do not need to supply the Thirteenth Legion with Auxilia, with the expected equipment to be received shall be less than standard. I pledge to you any technology that is found to be shared between us. Lastly, an open trade agreement between the Federation and my Fiefdom.” Guilliman told TalOS with the confidence of a leader, “I understand that this Forge World and the Federation in general have few amenities for the people. I can give you those.”

>Agree to these terms
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
>Reject the proposal.
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>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
Can we add in a clause to have them do weapons testing on a large scale by sending some of our legion with them to conduct experiments
It would be good to get a large amount of battle data and I want to see how practical our weapons and logistics are
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>>5495978
>For those on Macragge (...) was not made of people but of random pieces of animals and planets.
>animals and planets.
>planets....

Holy shit, the people of Macragge are fucking badasses!


>>5495987
>agree to those terms
>Propose a deal where they get to try out prototype weaponry/equipment based upon technology we/they find and they send back their requests/observations/comments/other related data about the weapons/equipment and their effectiveness or lack of it.
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>>5496007
>Support
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>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more *Add what is to be added*
>"I wish to be federation envoys sent together with your legion. Without even a minimal auxilia presence within your legion, Lucian introduction to fellow Forge Worlds found by the Thirteenth would be undercut."
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>>5495987
>Agree to these terms.

Finally! An incentive to accelerate the development of the federation, and with bonuses of new materials to develop into consumable commodities for us and the Empire.
I say we have no reason to deny this deal, especially with technology in mind. In addition, we have more than one forge world in our federation, one of which can specialize in the production of traditional armor and weapons for the legions, the time has finally come for us to bring capitalism to our nation
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>>5496026
We shall share the glory of Capitalism
Communism
with the rest of Humanity!

+++DEUS MECHANICUS+++
++The Machine God wills it!++
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adding to my vote here >>5496011

>>"I wish to be federation envoys sent together with your legion. Without even a minimal auxilia presence within your legion, Lucian introduction to fellow Forge Worlds found by the Thirteenth would be undercut."
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>>5495987
>Agree to these terms
We are so greedy.
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And to think a Servant Servitor is probably the lesser of punishments. Woe betide the ones who become Thallaxi!

>>5495987
>No, we need a bit more
>#1 When you say 'all technology' mean it in a literal sense, regardless of its origins. We will be the judge of that which the Machine God deems pure, like with our Blackstone Fortress (even Xenos tech i.e. the Pharos - Guilliman was distinctly against Xenos Tech and tried to keep it secret)
>#2 Ultramar once had 500 worlds, records indicate that some of those worlds were once Industrial planets may now be Forge Worlds (Metallica & Konnor). Allow us to have some influence on them, both to ensure fealty to Mars (fulfill our promise with Kelbor Hal) and good trade with the Federation
>#3 Ultramar and Lucius is very, very far away. Possibly one of the two most distant realms, with near the entire galaxy between us. If we are going to supply Ultramar, they will need to help us work together build a series of Depot Planets and Warp Rest Stops for convoys. This will allow both of us to swiftly come to the aid of each other even considering the vast distances. A Trans-Galactic Warpway (This will be critical when the Rangdan Invade from the east)
>#4 The Great Crusade is encountering many non-compliant planets. It is known that there will soon be an excess of prisoners to be doled out by Terra as Penal Brigades. The Ultramar Auxilia seems to prefer free men. Request that Ultramar send us their share of the penal brigades, so that we can allow them to be redeemed as Combat and Factorum servitors.

If we're going to supply Ultramar or participate in the Rangdan War, the logistics of crossing the entire galaxy from the west to the east will be a bitch. So let's make that easier.

Also doing this will directly set us on the path towards the Squats
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We should invite him to that alliance of rulers things we hashed out with Leman
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>>5496222
>Support >>5496189
>Also Invite him to Alliance of Rulers with Leman
I remember that conversation, yeah. Also Roboute having a love of logistics would support a series of depot planets to speed transit between our fiefdoms.
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>>5496222
>>5496227
Wouldn't that require that we ask Leman if he would be okay with that? Can't just say he is in when we don't know if the other part of the agreement hasn't stated their opinion on it.
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>>5496230
I think an invitation would be more a sort of meetup with him. We did specifically say we intended to invite another brother. This is that brother.
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>>5495987
I will be
>Supporting SoN's stuff >>5496189
I read through the points and they sound good for long term benefits.... Also hopefully we get some fancy new toasters out of this. Additionaly
>Also Invite him to Alliance of Rulers with Leman
By being aligned together we can together have vast amounts of power at the war council. And if in the future some primarch whines *cough*LorgarFulgrimOrMagnus*cough* we can project even more power against them by asking our fellow kings to not work with them.
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>>5496189
>support
Finally an empire building brother!
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>>5496222
Support
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>>5496007
Sorry. Sorry.

Technically it is made of planets though!
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>>5496189
you know that Ultramar only became a 500 world empire under bobby right? is point #2 doesn't really work.
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>>5496189
The only thing here is that you want Metallica. Everything else is semantics or distance which does not really matter since there are literally only two active Forge Worlds.
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>>5495987
Support >>5496189

Holy shit, this captcha is driving me NUTS!
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>>5496274
Well, every political propostitions starts with a lot of demands where only 1 or 2 points are relevant, everything else can be sacrificed on the negotiation. The goal is to foster good relationship with his brother. You as our superior in lore and this quest know what TalOS actually need, all else can be given away so that Roboute will feel good about this deal
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>>5496274
Fair. I am aware that actually a number of forge worlds of the 500 worlds were started shortly after Guilliman's discovery. The point being more to play a hand in their formation perhaps.

Although, another that comes to mind that was founded since the Dark Age.
Forge World Accatran
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Accatran
>"It was settled sometime during the Dark Age of Technology by early Mechanicum Explorators."

>>5496301
Anon puts it well, whichever parts are relevant keep em.
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>>5496274
Asking Roboute for his share of the penal regiments is probably going to be significant. They were a big thing in the Great Crusade since so many planets resisted, and also he's probably going to get a bunch of recalcitrants when he starts taking over his empire. More servitor material for us.
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>>5496269
Ultramar was the 500 worlds prior to the Age of Strife and the Long Night. It was Roboute's father's dream to reclaim the 500 worlds, and Roboute himself who made it happen.

It's possible we're even aware of it from Federation history as the President.
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>>5495987
>Support >>5496189 and >>5496222
Let's invite Bobby into the alliance. He and Russ got along rather well.
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>>5496346
We could use this bit of history as propaganda, helping our brother to rebuild another legacy of the old Federation.
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....We should ensure that Kelbor doesn't get suckered by Horus this time around.

Else we might end up having to rebuild the mechanic um.
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>>5496543
Or let him to be sucked on - then kill him off and become the head of the Mechanicus. He's our only rival for the position really.
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>>5496543
We've chosen every option we can when presented to earn his favor and trust. My hope is if he still has Heretek tendencies, we push him towards the Necron and Fear of the Warp side.

>>5496551
We would be far too busy with the Mechanicum schism if Kelbor goes the way he does in canon. A loyal man on Mars serves us infinitely more than Mars going traitor. Terra cannot fall while Mars still stands to threaten Horus fleet, it is the gateway to the Throneworld.

If we play our cards right, the final great battle could be over the skies of the red planet rather than the gold one.
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>>5495987
>There is more to be added; Clarify that we do mean all technology even xeno tech, give us the forge worlds, mention having our support to enter into a concord of kings.

We can't join him without Leman, but we can give him our support for his induction once he has hashed it out with the wolf king.
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>>5496561
There is a lot of secreats and threats that can be TalOS undoing - no need to look that ahead in the future. MC might not be alive then.
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>>5496571
That may be, that may be. But if TalOS is slain, it better have been after the peeling back of every single redundant dozens of layers of defense he had prepared.

Then we consider whether or not to activate the TalOS inferior
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>>5496054

Our civilization is fundamentally aristocratic, religious and oppressive against the poorest population. Furthermore, there is no shortage of food, so we cannot take on the mantle of such an inefficient form of government.
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>>5496576
Not to mention a "Trickle Down" mentality when it comes to the welfares of the masses.

The King eats, and the Peasant gets the stuff that trickles down behind him.
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>>5496576
All those describe the soviet union, and the famines under the soviets were more intentional ethnic cleansing and genocide. China had the real famine because war against birds.

While on the Topic, I'm certain the main style of government in 40k is a near exact topic of the soviets, with similar problems. Ignoring the civilian industries in favour of military, constant infighting, religiosity (Marxism is a religion), disregard for human life, not friendly to small business and a byzantine nightmare to manage.

Going by this, Our federation would probably be like Yugoslavia which was much more prosperous compared to the soviets. Hopefully without the ethnic divisions.
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>>5496664
30k was arguably better governed than 40k, depending on the primarch.
Living in Guilliman's ultramar in 30k was probably as good as it got nigh short of the Age of Technology.

There's been some mention of improved conditions or at least improved food for the Federal Empire of Lucius but QM hasn't yet gotten around to the turns when the players can input plans with the senate for some major reforms. With Roboute with us now might be the best time since he is the governor Primarch.
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>>5495987
Fuck it, hat in with this retard >>5496189
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>>5496670
Ultramar is a sweet place to be and we should definitely review our realm with the Big Blue, but due to how the Mechanicus does things I don't think we'll be anything more than Yugoslavia to the Imperium's Soviet Union.

Yugoslavia was the industrial powerhouse of the "Communist" countries, even making cars that could be competitive in an European free market since unlike the soviets they invested in things that would make the nation become stronger in less superficial ways. If they had managed to not fall to ethnic tensions the instant Tito died they'd still be an industrious power today. Hopefully a Mechanicus adept won't stick a bottle up his ass in our case.
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>>5496189
>support
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>>5496686
China after the reforms did the "succesful communist country" better and more accurately reflects the parity of power with the USSR.

However fundamentally I disagree with labeling either the Mechanicum or the Imperium after communists. Autocrats of the highest order yes, but communism has some very significant motifs that are antithetical to many of what the Imperium or Mechanicum or our Federation stand for.
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>>5496189
>Support
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Also we are simultaneously the bourgeoisie, the intelligentsia, and the church wrapped into a single package and we are grasping the means of production with an actual iron fist. "Compliance" is at the heart of the Great Crusade and literally means counter revolution and keeping the people and workers in line for the war effort and benefit of the wealthy elites. We're a caricature of the things Marx would have railed against.

We are not communists.
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>>5496705
Look mate, I'm not saying we're commies. But what you described is nearly word for word what the Soviet Union was.

Communism that is practiced around the world is a Religion for all intents and purposes. Marx is seen as god and his scripture is interpreted to justify a whole bunch of things, aside from him communism has a bunch of "saints" that some people prefer more (like lenin, stalin, Trotsky), communist countries universally have an inquisition in the form of secret police which would be very at home within the inquisition in 40k, communist countries without exception form an aristocracy that controls everything (like politburo) or even form literal monarchies in the case of north korea.

My point is reality, not the paradise on earth that Marx promises his followers. The Imperium has all of these and there's very little in it that's not similar to the Soviets in some shape or form.

We're not theoretical communists, we're the ones we saw in practice. With all the war crimes and genocides in it.
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>>5496756
I think what we need to realize is if we want a command or control economy.
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>>5496760
Is that Command vs Control economy.
Or a Command/Control economy vs Free Market.

Most facets of the Imperium lean heavily towards Command Economy, if not all of them. Everywhere from the Imperial Administratum, to the Mechanicum, to even Roboute's Ultramar. I have a hard time seeing the Federation being so different from them all, especially with the amount of Knightly influence we have who want to maintain their fuedal economies which are also command ones.

The most amount of Free Market I can envision is when our Explorator Fleets start working jointly with Rogue Traders.
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>>5496756
I don't want to open a discussion about communism vs capitalism or whatever, let me just say he is right, Marx would have railed against it and you are right that was what the USSR became while trying to achieve communism as an end goal.

Its a whole lot more difficult than Imperium = communism, it is an authoritarian regime tho, thats undeinable.
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>>5496767
That was kinda my point, I'll go on to say that what Marx would rally against hardly mattered to anyone in any communist country. It's similar to how Jesus would be disappointed with nearly all Christian nations in the middle ages and what they did, but those nations justified their existence by Christianity and Jesus.

In the end Communism is a Religion with all the trappings of a religion, it promises a utopia to its followers and until that utopia is reached everything can and will be justified for the "better good".

We're an aristocratic (or oligarchic) theocracy with a planned economy, with significant amount of government power concentrated in very few elites of society with the majority of the population living in a rain of constant propaganda and surveillance, subject to being redacted if they commit heresies against the state and its religion. The best example of this we had and have are communist nations, as even those that reform more or less fit this description.

That's why I'm saying we're like them, and I'd rather be one of the more successful ones rather than the miserable ones. I compare to Yugoslavia because I genuinely think we are subject to its strengths and weaknesses. Like Yugoslavia we are a major industrial base capable of producing high quality goods, and I believe that due to us being a federation and granting a significant amount of autonomy to those under us we are in danger of balkanisation if we seem week or the contract we offer does not satisfy our subjects longer.
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>>5496782
I don't agree with the comparison of communism to religion, the issue you describe is more basic one that the USSR does share with religions. Namely excess morality, as long as it 'reaches communism' everything is allowed in the present to reach a promised end goal of perfection.
In contrast religions typically promise an afterlife, although that isn't always the case either.
Anyway, thats it from me, its not really the place to further discuss this.
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I am incredibly happy that my shitpost has sparked such an interesting debate!
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>>5496794
Fair enough
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Also if i had to throw my hat into the argument, then the Mechanicus isn't communist, but it does have some communal values and i hope we could add some socialist values too it.

First off: Economy
The Mechanicum does make use of a planned economic structure, but it is less "five-year plan" and more "Communally agreed production quota that can change when needed" which is augmented by what the Fabricator General wants produced and what requests are asked of them. Why communally? Because the Tech-priests send requests for specific production facilities to their higher ranked fellows, who then decide what should and should not produced, whereafter it is produced ad infinitum until their death. The amount of material produced changes, but everything is produced and never stopped again. That is also why resource sharing could be seen as marriage, since you give up some of your production to augment your loves production.

Second; People
The Mechanicum takes care of themselves and their assets, but they do not "really" treat people outside of their group as people. So, if you are a part of their group, then they ill make sure that you are taken care of and do what is needed to ensure you live a productive and good life(according to their tenets), but everyone else is treated, at best, like cogs in a great machine. So while they might "maintain" those cogs, most unfortunately see them as being replaceable, which we are changing and have been changing with our guidelines (such as F.A.G). What i would hope we might achieve is a low-cost healthcare system to increase the people's life, cheap and bountiful food (we are nearing this), a more diversified economy and a better education system.

Third; Government
We are a Representitive Democracy with a Benevolent semi-Dictator running it. If we were truly communist, we would have a Direct Democracy, where everyone could vote and raise agendas (which, while the Federation can't, the Mechanicum of Lucius can and have done(voting goes fast when everyone has wifi in their heads)).


Summed up; we have some communal values, but we are far from even being able to call ourselves "communist" and i don't believe any one of us wants to.
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>>5496856
There's a line from one of the Taghmata HH books I like that basically says anytime the Mechanicum do something or go to war, they only do so once they have quite literally ensured without a fraction of doubt that victory is achieved.

In between instantenous Noospheric communication, blessed algorithims and machine spirits as close to AI without going AI as they are willing to push, and the sheer control over every facet from the logistics, to the tactics, to even the very imperatives used on drones and servitors. It puts a conventional command economy to shame, but also every action is backed up with the calculations to say "this was the most optimal course of action, all others are objectively and calculably inferior"

I think it's very pious. In order to avoid the sin of Abominable Intelligence via Cluster Computing, it is the priests themselves offering their own mental and cogitator capacity over the noosphere to achieve a similar effect. It won't be as all powerful and efficient as a true AI or Gestalt Computer, but damn if it isn't the next best thing.
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>>5496856
I'd say we're hardly a representative democracy, it's more of an oligarchic counsil similar to what Rome had in it's Republican era. Of course that's more democracy than any other organisation has in 30-40k but it's not good under modern circumstances.

When it comes to direct democracy being the communist way, I'd say that's simply another interpretation of Marx's scripture. I won't get to defending vanguard parties but syndicalism is another interpretation that is arguably more correct, in which workers form syndicates which act as representatives of it's members in a sort of national syndicate counsil which in turn make the decisions a nation needs to make.

Funnily enough we sorta do that, but instead of the workers being in charge of the syndicates it's techpriests trying to achieve maximal efficiency in regards of their assemblies and representing the interests of their factories in the federation counsil.

Either way, I'm not a theologian so I shouls not try to interpret more than I have. Every communist in the world think their interpretation is the right one, and I have made the mistake of arguing with anarchists before.

I do hope we improve the overall life quality of the common people than just the 1%, but the average techpriest would regularly skin children if they found it created 1.5% increase in production, so i don't have much hope.
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>>5496868
In the "priests of Mars" book it mentions that human gestalts have been made illegal recently because of their tendency to go rouge when they encounter one on a space station. The thing is it's "recently" to 40k, so mechanicus should have a few human gestalts being the core of ships and space stations around in 30k
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>>5496870
I do agree on it being closer to a roman council, but with religious overtones and with a wealthy ruling class as well. But i would stay far away from it being in the workers interests. The FAG is the closest to worker representation that the mechanicum has ever seen and even that is mainly arguing for more production.
The workers aren't seen as much more than worker drones with a free will instead of direct servitorization.

Good that you mention souls, cause as far as i can tell the dogma of the mechanicum gives the workers a 'divine right to work and produce' that is quite literally religously enforced.
Its rather likely that workers who refuse or just question this situation are made into servitors or become part of the blood sport in the arenas.
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>>5496870
>arguing with anarchists

Big oof, that never goes well and you'll never reach a satisfying conclusion arguing with them.


Anyway, to a more related note: Do you guys think we should make a department that would promote Mechanicus values and culture on our worlds? Right now we only have the ruling class intrigued in our culture and the public has only seen our technological prowess in gladitorial combat and farming, which isn't really what our culture is about. I know we have given leave for the spread of our religion to the masses, but religion does not equate to culture and i think it would be good for our cohesion if every planet we had could see itself in each other (ie. every planet would see themselves as being brothers/sisters and thereby ensure that cultural conflict would decrease and help create in interstellar identity as us being "The Federation").
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>>5496874
If I were to hazard a guess that could probably more a 'hard gestalt' for lack of a better term where everyone's consciousness are extremely linked together to approach a literal hivemind, rather than the figurative or 'soft gestalt' of just being a highly efficient form of instantaneous communication between a large group of intelligent but ultimately individuals able to simultaneously access the same data and resolve logical conundrums together in a fraction of the time a verbal council would take.
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>>5496878
>religion does not equate to culture

I get the feeling TaL0S would disagree on that.

Its probably better to introduce a common founding myth of the Federation.
1. We had the terrible 'Long night' and our planet was holding on and we did our best to survive and strife.
2. Lucius managed to escape their solar system first and united with us to forge a force powerful enough to fight the Orks and aliens with
3. We all endured and then reunited with the rest of humanity as equals!

Poetic i know, but it works as a founding myth with overcoming something, the population feels appreciated to be an "equal" partner and the same goes for being part of the Imperium of Man.
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>>5496878
A propaganda division would be good. People to emulate the the Imperial Iterators who functioned both as spreaders of the Imperial Truth and the Imperial cause in general.

In general though, I think just living on a Forge World is itself a powerful cultural agent. If you've played the fist Space Marine game on Xbox you got to see things like regular Vox propaganda speeches and recordings from the individual factorum workers and their daily lives.

And you raise a very important point, our revival of the old Federation. That sort of shared pre-Age of Strife identity can be very powerful. It's basically going to be the same basis that Roboute will use to reform the 500 worlds by harking unto a golden age long ago.
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>>5496885
Ooooh, i like that, we should definitely try to popularize that in the minds of our people.
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>>5496878
I'd love that, we had a choice of teaching our religion to the masses but democracy said otherwise, so maybe we'll get a culture choice sometime?

Although with how much our religion is intertwined with our culture we might have missed that chance entirely.

The creation of a Federation identity is key to our continued existence, we need to make sure every citizen is a Federation member first than whatever they come from, like americans
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>>5496881
Yeah you're right, they're basically an AI made out of human brains that has the capacity to navigate the warp similar to navigators
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>>5496887
I could see that being a common idea that the two develop in their conversation. These two are probably the biggest conquerors/rulers among the primarchs, so TaL0S giving him advice before he sets out would be in character.
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>>5496885
That's a very Lucius centric narrative though. We could use something bigger, even if Lucius is the center piece. Consider that our realm will include other powers and provinces such as the Manachean Commonwealth.

I think its possible to try and either discover (or fabricate) a narrative of a local greater state or realm from the Old Federation, much like the 500 worlds of Ultramar. Consider IRL how many powerful nations tried to recapture the identity of Rome. I don't think it's unlikely at all that the Gothic Sector was once part of some Federal region.

Also, of course, we cannot forget the Mitu. In this timeline I hope they aren't wiped from memory in the far future but form the basis of a shared hatred and trauma from them and the despising of the psychic xenos and the supremacy of man and man's machines.
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This talk of human gestalt thinking machines made me remember the Hous Ordos Excecutrix from Westwood Dune games.
That's all I wanted to say.
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>>5496899
Every science fiction rips off from DUNE, so maybe that was the inspiration for it.

Or there's only so many ways you can build not-AI in a galaxy that explicitly forbids code greater than >print hello world
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>>5496898
I mean it IS the Lucian Federation.

But, this formula can be broadly applicable to every single planet in its territory. You just have to insert the actual planet into the first part, that then is met by Lucius and its representatives to be reunited against the Orks and Aliens.
Until they later meet the empire 'side by side as equals' or something along those lines, its a way to give the planet a sense of agency, while ensuring their loyalty.
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>>5496903
While on the topic, you guys seen the movie?

I was at first disappointed with the minimalist artstyle, but god damn the movie was made amazingly. Best soundtrack I've ever heard
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>>5496907
The only thing I saw was the Sardaukar that other people said was cool.
It was.
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>>5496911
Sardaukar throat singing.
This tube dude
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>>5496913
That was a cool scene, but after i saw the meme version where he sings "Hamburger hamburger hamburger, cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger" i haven't been able to see/hear it without laughing.
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>>5496915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an289RSt1Cc
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>>5496911
If you're up to it it's the perfect movie to watch with psychedelics
>>5496918
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I think I got it. Seems the Autism has infected my story finally. I hope its not fatal.
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>>5497089
I should have said thread, but you fellows need to understand my brain is currently fried like tendies. Might need to sleep before update because damn.
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>>5497090
Oh no mama E11IE cooked QM's brains for desert.
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>>5497089
>finally
Sorry to tell you this but it's been their since the beginning.
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>>5497151
Not nearly this much. Normally I only have one or two, note four.
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Hey, I just wanted diplomats
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A proposal was cast, his hand extended to see what he would get back. Such were the issues of negotiation that he knew would always happen. Even people who are awed by the presence of Guilliman’s transhuman figure would quickly forget about it the moment he starts to encroach upon their money.

Looking at his brother Guilliman knew there were going to be some trades and caveats. There always were. Maybe Roboute placed his hand too far forward for this negotiation and that he is going to be asked something unreasonable. If the price outweighed the benefit, no matter how large the benefit, then it was practical to shut down negotiation.

He will simply need to wait and see.

“There are four points of contention that I need to have realized.” TalOS proposed, “One will be a clarification, the others requests. Of the clarification, you speak of all technology. You know that as a Priest of the Mechanicum any science that is found to be xenos in origin must be disposed of.”

Guilliman gave a simple nod knowing that while held in religious dogma there were plenty of reasons for this, “I understand. As long as both Macragge and Lucius stand witness to its destruction I agree with it. You know more than me, and for that I trust you for that determination.”

And just in case, it would also prevent anyone under TalOS from slipping technology that should have been destroyed. Guilliman felt he could trust his brother. It was those he could not see that he needed to be wary of.

“I understand. It will be arranged.” TalOS agreed with a small nod, “The next is that there are likely Forge Worlds within the sphere of influence that you are building. If you find ones of sufficient size then you are to inform me about them so that I may visit them to bring them into the Mechanicum.”

Reasonable but with underlying meaning. Guilliman had heard that his brother was a close follower of Mar’s law. This agreement however was a stickler since it might be seen as a power grab. When it came to Mechanicum power politics. If sides were going to be drawn into the sand Guilliman would take the person before him who shared his blood. After all it was blood which was the strongest tie.

“You shall have your words with them as to the Treaty of Olympus. It is the domain of the Mechanicum, it does not matter to me how your Cult decides to enforce them.” Guilliman answered in such a way to give both permission and keep his distance lest issues were to come up.
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Things were going well, Guilliman reasoned. These demands were something that he could see as acceptable and useful. Though in these kinds of negotiations, Guilliman had played his hand, he also knew there were things he could give back. If TalOS were looking to gain an additional benefit then Guilliman might be able to take a thing or two back. That was kept staunchly by his desires for technology, which while he lost some control over the tech he now had a reason to place his Astartes and Administrators into the same room as the devices at all times.

What was going to be next? Guilliman had to take a moment to wonder.

“Next, I believe it would be logical for us to prepare a form of transit way between our realms.” the Fabricator General propositioned, “We are lacking a way to move our goods easily from one to the other with the Warp always tearing out upon us. We should look into reinforcing and building up stable warp-lanes between our lands if we are to closer integrate ourselves.”

That was a suggestion that Guilliman enjoyed hearing from someone other than him. There were to be a few issues with it though, “Such a route will require resources to maintain. In the current state of the galaxy and ourselves I do not see how we can easily build it. I am not opposed to it but it cannot be made yet.”

“A reasonable assessment. You need a powerbase to build from, then it can be accomplished. Then you wish to agree but place a timeless delay on the idea?”

“When I am able we will make it. Right now I am not, and if you push your territory too far then it will cause issues with your suzerain.” Guilliman pointed out cleanly and plainly.

“Then that is conceded for now.” His brother agreed while placing his hand upon his chest.

That was likely not the best choice the two of them could have come to but Guilliman could not do it. Not when he was aware of so much more needing to be done for his people and the building of his realm. Building such a lane now would place him at such a disadvantage that it is unacceptable even if it was made with altruistic intent.

It is best not to be the lesser in this relationship. To attack issues like this at equal standing gives both sides power. Once Guilliman has about fifty worlds he will be much more comfortable with joint projects like this one.
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“Then we are finally brought down to the last item.” TalOS said much to the relief of Guilliman, “With all realms there are undesirables, those who will not agree with your new order no matter what you do. Let it be revolutionaries, murderers, or organized criminals. What I want are those people, for the forges are eternally thirsty for bodies.”

That was a request that caught Guilliman off guard, “You want my people?”

“I want those who do not agree with your people and their creed. Let is be worlds that are noncompliant or those who organize themselves against you. I have seen a few of their kind. The kind who cannot see reason when our answer to them is torture conceaved by the Abominable Intellegences of old. They are fools, and it is best for the Mechanicum to receive them than you to terminate them.”

In his time with TalOS Guilliman thought he was growing used to being next to him. A sense of shared humanity that might be useful later on. It was here that Guilliman realized that his unnerving thoughts when he first met his brother were right on the mark.

His brother was a sort of human. One who was divorced from standard experiences. One who so easily asked for the lives of his fellow man as if they were simple goods. Guilliman knew in the end manpower was really numbers, each of whom had their power amplified by equipment, but this was different. He will be selling these people to their damnation.

Was he willing to do it?

Guilliman shifted in his chair as he processed the thoughts. Theoretical; it is much better use of resources as Guilliman would have simply had those people killed. By given them to the Mechanicum these people will still be of use. He will not do this to damn entire worlds, but Guilliman would use it for dissonants. As TalOS suggested, those who did not mesh with his order will be the victims.

Guilliman looked at the Servitor once again and pointed at it, “What is his story. What crime did he commit?”

The eyes of the Fabricator General shifted for a second to scan the face of the cyborg Guilliman pointed out, “Infanticide. It was his Nephew, judged to be a result of either mental breakdown or revenge against the parents. This is his penance.”

So those were the kind of people that were put in this. He can do it, but Guilliman will never give his people for free even if they are murderers, rapists, and gangmembers. At a time like this he needs to see what exactly TalOS would be willing to give, “My brother, these are still my people even if they are against my ideals. I will not outright deny you, but my heart is still heavy with this decision. What will Lucius give for what will likely be millions of souls to be damned by our decision?”

>A Small Sub-Branch of Knights
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Three Titans.
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Further Technology Transfer
>Other
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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
and
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
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>>5497217
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Other: Aid for re-construction efforts and infrastructure expansion for after the war. I know you seek to reestablish the realm of Ultramar and i wish to help with that.


This should ensure that he agrees and that we get a steady flow of bodies for our factories. Besides, having another developed region nearby that requires resources that our forges produces can only help our economies.
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>>5496905
I'd love to rename our faction to the Holy Lucian Federation, just for the HRE memes
>>5496913
Sardukar kick ass, I'd love to create our own version of them as a Swiss Guard or PayPal army. Find some Death World and recruit a mortal army from it as a junior step to our Space Marines.
>Alpine Death World of Kanton
>Planet is filled with high mountains and the occasional low valley
>Constant interplay between warlords has led to a vibrant population of mercenaries that are skilled with one of the three cultural weapons (Two handed greatsword, long pike, and a natively produced knife they call the Zukri)
>The people of this world call themselves the Zwurka (Swiss-Gurkha)
Cheesy, but I think it would be fun just for something extra for Talos to have around
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>>5497217
>>Tutelage for your Marines
Techmarines a go!
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>>5497217
I want you all to realize this is a negotiation. Think of it as one.
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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Further Technology Transfer
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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
Let's give Land a boon for teaching us on Terra.

If the Ultramarines are going to have Techmarines, let's also give them vehicles for them to make good use of as Techmarines. Guilliman is going to go on his own lightning campaign to reconquer the 500 worlds, so assault vehicles will speed up the effort.

Our Legion will make better use of the Triaros and Stormhammers for assault transports anyway, but if we're going to supply the rest of the Imperium with these things, let's start first with a Brother who will make good use of them to restore the Old Federation in the east.

The Achilles Alpha is awesome btw because in addition to being tankier, it's also got Volkites, our Legions specialty, and something we usually just hoard to ourselves. A direct gift from Lucius to Ultramar.
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>>5497217
>Tutelage for your Marines
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
This is exactly what Bobby needs for his own reconquista, a way to move marines quickly. It will also earn us Arkhan's favor.
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>>5497217

>You get your guns at cheaper prices.
This is something he wants, something he needs. And if the reputation of our systems spreads we will be able to close other contracts in the future, an option that benefits both of us.
By the way I'm taking everything into account from armor to vehicles, from melee weapons to firearms.

>Tutelage for your Marines.
Expanding our dominance as master of the crusade logistics is something we have as our core objective. In addition, we will be able to expand our information network, with this we will already have infiltrated three legions.

>Further Technology Transfer.

Well, developing new products based on the technology we found for our allies seems obvious, unless the option is to expand our requirements, in which case, ignore this part.
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>>5497274
>Support
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>>5497252
In that case I'm adding
>>5497223
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
To my vote.
If you see another post, I deleted it
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>>5497217
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider

We need to test those machines and it will be a much better deal. Knowledge is much more valuable than any materials you will give them.
Tutelage for marines could mean that Roboute may not come to TalOS when interesting piece of technology would be found and use it himself. After all most of Primarchs with needed knowledge and even the Emperor didn't give a shit about Mechanicus tech privilege when interesting piece of tech was found.
Three Titans are too much.
Guns for cheaper price will make looks like we buy slaves which MC kinda do, but we need to sugar coat it for Roboute.
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>>5497226
>support
We need to help him build
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>>5497217
>You get your guns at cheaper prices
>Other: Land's Raiders, including a prototype Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land's Raider
It is interesting that Rowboat Girlyman came to us for his arms shipments instead of Mars as is the standard for the Legions.
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>>5497616
My guess is the Mars Pattern Bolters are designed primarily for Mass Production. The standard models universal to space marines everywhere.

Lucian Pattern Bolters are Artisan and Master-crafted things, since Lucius is the Artisan planet. Less Salamander beauty and gem encrusted, more optimized to hell and back. As close to getting Mechanicum bolters without being in the Mechanicum. Customizable, modular, high quality materials.

Forge Bolters with built in cogitator targeting.
Shoulder mounted Maxim Bolters
Cognis munitions and rounds of every flavor. Possibly even having reverse engineered a few archaotech bullets to replace conventional HE with Federation Micro-Atomics.

Really high quality stuff that we first horde for ourselves, and then sell the remaining surplus to everyone else. And even then they are lucky with the supply of bolters because normally we just don't use them and prefer Volkite as our standard arms instead. Even our surplus weapons are artisan.

Roboute, being Roboute, would like to get some of the good quality stuff for his precious Ultramarines so he goes directly to the source.
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>>5497217
>Cheaper guns
>Land raiders.

first roll out. Aren't we nice.
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>>5497705
Somewhere In previous chapters Roboute thought that those bolters are the same as from Mars but more stylish, so that he is overpaying for big L on it only.
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So here is the question for you all
>We will break the deal for Servitors
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
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>>5497822
>We will break the deal for Servitors
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>>5497822
Just to point out, the first option is you will break the deal because Guilliman will not accept sending his people to become servitors.
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>>5497822
>>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable
I would rather renegotiate later for servitors and just get a base agreement now
Maybe he will have better stuff to trade after building up
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>>5497853
agree with this, we could leave in the option to later renegotiate. ideally when we also are both in a postion to build that trade route.
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over servitors is unreasonable

I mean, we just want to be effecient. It's a benefit but not the main one, since it would damage our position with Guilliman in the future.
Servitors is also a none critical issue for us, it strikes at nothing of our beliefs.
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>>5497826
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>>5497824
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
I thought it meant we would throw away only the servitor part of the deal, not the whole thing.
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>>5497859
You are right, that's why I corrected myself.
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>>5497822
>We will break the deal for Servitors
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>>5497822
>>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
Bobby spending resources to kill off his undesirables instead of trading them for more resources is unreasonable but whatever, it's not worth writing off the rest of it. Does he not run penal troops/last chancers either?
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable.
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>>5494896
>room for two larger than average men to travel.
That's an understatement
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>>5497822
>Breaking the deal over Servitors is unreasonable
A penal trooper/worker's life is to die. What we offer them is a mercy. To serve their sentence without pain and without fear against the terrors of the galaxy

For those whose crimes are not worthy of the horror of thallaxi, it is a humane and dignified end.
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So the idea was to present Guilliman with lessons and cheaper stuff for the dregs of society. As that is where Guilliman stops, the deal will continue.
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>>5498385
I also saw some votes for giving him some land raiders.
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>>5498389
Yeah, about 4 out of all the other votes. Simply put technology is not how you get a man like Guilliman to see past morals.
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>>5498391
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>>5498392
My point still stands.
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>>5498378
To clarify - i dont think we should break the entire deal over this but as others have pointed out we can try to renegotiate later. Ultramar will eventually have servitors in canon anyway with or without us.

It's a big waste. You are shooting a man who can yet fight and redeem himself.

Even Leman Russ said that penal service were preferable to executions.

>"There are those who undervalue the Penal Legions. But they should consider this: should a man who has wronged the Emperor be allowed to wrong him further? For each man executed is a man who can no longer serve, and to fail in service to the Emperor is the greatest of sins." ~ Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion, Meditations on Imperial Command, Book XXI
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Oh well. Guilliman was also the diplomat and highly charismatic. Despite having a large realm, he probably was very good at convincing worlds into compliance and crime rates in Ultramar would likely be low due to higher standards of living.

I'm sure we're probably going to get more penal material from other sectors of the Great Crusade. Like wherever the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or War Hounds go.
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>>5497217
>Cheaper Guns
>Tutelage
>Land Raiders
I know I'm late to the thread but I still will vote it. It's a good idea. Even if he wont give us criminals to servitorize.
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Guilliman focused closely on his brother waiting for a response. The study of subtle inflictions, let it be through the eyes or the muscles that tensioned through the mouth. This would have been a practical practice when it came to normal humans, but the Primarch wondered if his brother was close enough to man anymore for anything to be gleaned from such study.

The assumption ended up being that no. All that Guilliman noticed was the ever subtle changes in the face as muscles spontaneously twitched from something that was crawling under his brother’s skin. These changes were not like an infliction or tell tale. They were instead permanent movements that if Guilliman did not see his brother before would never have been known.

Was it even now, while Guilliman was in the room, that TalOS was modifying his own body? Was he doing it because he thought Guilliman wouldn’t notice or maybe it was because these changes needed to happen now? That them being a time sensitive matter forced him to expose what might be a secret.

If TalOS knew what Guilliman thinks he knows, then it will be the latter. TalOS knows that his brother could see it but either does not care or cannot halt the transformation process during their time together. That was the Theoretical and it was sound.

“I can understand your reservations. By taking the manpower from you all possible outputs you have lost what they might have given to your civilization.” TalOS answered him with the cold calculation, “In return for the loss of manpower, it will be compensated at a one to one rate with additional arms as well as training for your Astartes in the Mysteries of Technology.”

That was a decent offer. The Practical was sound, the promise that Lucius will make up the loss in manpower with arms and armaments was the greatest of boons. To teach his Astartes as well, that would mean his men will have something above their brother Legions with the only exception being the 2nd itself.

But did Guilliman like the Practical? In his intellectual mind Guilliman took a step back and looked at the circumstances. The reason for this was simple, that he still felt a tinge of pain within his chest about considering these options. That he would validate them. Why? Why did he feel guilt?

Theoretical; it is because it does not set right with his creed.

His creed? Quickly he studied his memories and pulled up training in the ethics that both his Father and Mother both trained him in. The valuation of man and the loyal heart that one should have to their realm.
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‘Guilliman, I do not serve just the Senate. None of us do. The Senate is made of numerous interests all of which form the consensus of the Macraggian people. That is both my, and soon your goal, to the service of the people. King Tiberius learned what happens when you rule by tyranny, and it is a lesson that I know you will learn through tutelage, not experience.’

Yes, that was what his Father said. Guilliman in the end was a servant of Macragge and now he serves the Imperium. His interests are that of Macragge and vice versa, with his mind taught to keep him in line lest he deviate from that truth.

So that was the issue here. To agree to this is something that Guilliman could not accept because it is not in the interests of Macragge but the Mechanicum. As a Ruler Guilliman’s first and foremost duty was to protect his people from outsiders. Even if they are his brothers Guilliman should at least make sure he made the right choice.

In the end, can Roboute Guilliman walk to Tarasha and tell her that he sold off his own people for more guns and a few lessons from his brother. If Guilliman was not so large he knew for sure he would be spanked for even considering it. She might still try. At this point he would have let her have her way with him.

“My brother, know that I have taken much thought in this decision.” Guilliman started to try and not bruise the ego of his brother, “But I cannot let you have my people. They may be dissonants, ruffians, murderers, and rapists, but I cannot give them over for something that has no honor.”

“I see. Then we can set this aside for another time when we have more understanding of one another.” TalOS said without even batting an eye.

Guilliman almost let out a sigh of relief hearing those words. If the humors and temperament of his brother was any different that would have been a deal breaker. He was not senseless though. Indeed in the end his brother was getting a winning deal which was exactly what Guilliman wanted for his brother. The support Guilliman will be getting will cause a massive surge in both garrison and offensive abilities of his people.

The Primarch of the Thirteenth reached into his pocket and took out a small piece of paper, “I made this document to codify our agreement. Malcador has agreed to become the recorder of this, but first we must make the additions to the agreement as you have put forward.”

TalOS gave a small nod as a Servitor came over, “It will be a little longer, so let's open a Keg of B33R for the night.”

Guilliman looked at the barrel, feeling his senses wane as he came to a realization, “Yes, I would like some.”
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The taste of the B33R sadly did not contain the same experiences that was within the Corpse Starch that was provided to him earlier. Where he was saddened by that, he enjoyed that this meal actually had a reasonable taste to it.

The first thing you experienced was the chemical cocktail that formed the basis of the alcohol. It was not in fact alcohol, Guilliman knew, for the chemical tang was very different. There were mixes of water and carbon that were much stronger and needed that stronger gut to wrench free the materials from it. Add the amount of energy he was getting out of it and Guilliman realized that this must be how humans experienced their energy drinks. Yes, the sheer amount of calories that TalOS put into this were enough for an entire day’s work.

As for its effects on the mind, they were minor. Even with the sheer amount of industrial capacity that Guilliman could experience and all it did was cause a slight buzz of conscious dissonance in him.

At that moment he decided that he was fine being immune to alcohol. The idea that something so small could cause him to be easily swayed was a fear that quickly came into his mind. Such a fear he knew was drilled into him by his father, Konor.

As he placed the drink down the two of them looked over the text once more. The ratios and understandings within this document holding bounds of what was to be acceptable within their transactions in the future. As there will be a higher authority in the form of Malcador, this document will be binding for all intents and purposes.

“A full day’s work has been accomplished.” Declared TalOS as he happily slid the document into a folder that Guilliman had produced, “I will have my own copy for prosperity's sake, this will be the first step of our interactions as fellow regions.”

“Yes, TalOS, this is the first step towards a greater future for mankind.” Guilliman answered as he took a small sip.

“Then we shall dedicate a drink to Mankind, for all of its virtues and divine right to rulership.” His brother declared as he raised his glass like a tavern goer.

It was odd seeing a Primarch do it but Guilliman did not feel a need to not commit, “To mankind’s right to rule and its virtues.”

With a clank of the containers they drank.

>A gauntlet bolter
>Titan to defend Macragge
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
>Other Gifts
>No Gift
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

Hit'em with something random.
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
have to pick this just because of my name.
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>>5498419
>A gauntlet bolter
Shot and punch at the same time!
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>>5498419
>Other: A backup system for his father's quantum supercomputer
He has imparted us with his values, let us impart him with ours.

The Holy Books say "backup thy data". It is a value we live by, and the reason we protect STCs. We could hazard a guess that his father maintained the Federation system capital super computer on Maccragge

Let's advise he backup his data and give him the tech to do so. That way when Alpharius assassins blow it up he wont be so sad of all the lost history gone forever
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

While i would love to give him a titan (since it would be a great political statement), giving Girlymann the data about Geneseeds are so much more efficient and worthwhile for both parties.
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility.
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Geneseed compatibility will be neat. How do you guys think Guilliman use it?

The ultramarines are the most stable geneseeds of all, few even falling to Chaos in 40k. The kind of geneseed you use to compare other space marines with to verify purity.
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>>5498467
actually their tied with the dark angles. the imperium just prefer to use the ultramarines because the dark angles are sketchy as hell. and depending on who you ask the luna wolves had the purest geneseed pre fall to chaos, being described as "reliably pure".
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Can someone explain to me what the fuk is geneseed compatibility
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>>5498538
IT would give the Ultramarines knowledge in finding new aspirants, giving them a higher success rate and wider general capability.
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>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>5498540
I see. It would be amazing to see his numbers bolstered like this but.... I have a feeling anns choose this one because it's the cheapest one. And cheap SUCKs so I vote for the TITAN because COOL and GUNS and WARHOOORN

In fact, why don't we forward the geneseed research to malcador? This is something every legion I am looking at you traitor legions should get to bolster their numbers.
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>>5498540
On a scale of:
>Sanguinius geneseed can turn mutants back into beautiful humans
To
>Russ geneseed rejects anyone who isnt from Fenris
What's the baseline ease of acceptance of TalOS astartes geneseed and how finicky is our aspirant acceptance rate.
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>>5498651
Its one of the more stable ones with preferences for the willful. Those who do not have the willpower will go insane upon connecting with Particep Semper.
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>>5498651
It's probably less that Sanguinius geneseed turns mutants back into humans, more like Sanguinius himself is the most mutated of all the Primarchs and his mutations overrides theirs. Which includes his preternatural beauty but also his thirst for blood, hidden rage, and psychic powers. The Blood Angel's pay for their wide acceptance rate with one of the most flaw prone geneseeds other than Magnus flesh change.
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>>5498652
Now, when you say insane, is it a "Rip and tear" kind of insanity where they are still loyal or a "SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, MILK FOR THE KHORNFLAKES!" kind of insanity?
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>>5498669
It could also just be regular insanity. Egos crushed into oblivion by the sheer will of a Titan like an unprepared princeps.
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Just wanted to let you guys know that your thread archived in Do Your Best quest's archive under the wrong name and tags. Make sure to archive it again before the thread dies if you don't wanna lose anything
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>>5498677
that is less insanity and more Ego-death which, if that is the case, means we can still use our soldiers as a way to grow geneseed and thereafter turn them into specialized combat servitors.
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>>5498691
I think it's a good 'ol headbutting the walls untill your forehead cracks open and the bits and pieces spill outwards
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>>5498691
We should do some reforms for servitors. Seeing Bobby say they were "without honor" when they are an important backbone to our auxilia is painful.
>>5498706
Ideally we screen applicants who have the willpower to be astartes ahead of time with rage stimulators. Those who seem less likely to handle it go on to become Acillians, those who can become Astartes. If they fail just before becoming a full Astartes they can be subdued and emotionally vaulted, to return home with honor or pursue other duties.
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>>5498683
Again. Link pls and I will contact Lord Licorice.
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>>5498683
I think someone is trolling Do Your Best, the Archive is there for Quest 11. Are you talking about this one?
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility.
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility and what >>5498436 said.
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>>5498419
>Other Gifts
A machine spirit for logistics and organization but its just Excel or something similar
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>A backup system for his mega computer

I figure that each is a worthwhile gift.
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>A backup system for his mega computer
Ultramarines already have a stable geneseed. Plus these feel like more personal gifts. We may want to trade the geneseed compatibility for something later since its very valuable.
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>>5498721
>>5498725
Maybe we should start archiving the new threads as soon as they are made.
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility

For machine gods sake don't give away a religious icon to an outsider, there is no precedent for it.
Titans are just not seen outside of their legions
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>>5499090
I would think if we sent any Titans and Princeps to Maccrage they would just become the foundation of Legio Praesagius, rather than Maccragge owing their Titan origins to Mars or Metallica.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Legio_Praesagius

We even share a similar Paintscheme with them. They would be brother Legio to Astorum, as we are brother to Guilliman.

Equally as important, we would boost the popularity of our clearly superior Lucius Pattern Titans over the Mars Patterns.
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>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Agree with Nano on this one, we gotta propagate our Lucian variants and continue to dab on inferior monkey-spec Martian products.
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Fuck Mars. Martian products are for poorfags who can't afford our better product line.
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
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It's neck and neck at this point. Out of all the votes this one I would not mind making a combo. Just know that it's giving a lot of stuff to Guilliman and not the others. So I would need votes confirming the combo since that in itself affects perception.
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>>5499371
Bob's plot armor is so strong it's even affecting quests to shower him with gifts for no IC reason
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>>5498434
Changing to
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Since no one else wants that
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>>5499371
do we even know about bob's dad's super computer if not the back-up votes might be invalidated.
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>>5499371
Combo
I view it as an investment because if he builds up we get better trades
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Here's a count

Geneseed: 7 or 9
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Backup (do we even know about it?): 1 or 4
>>5498436
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *

Titan: 3 or 8
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5499189
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Titan and backup: 3
>>5498773
>>5498937
>>5498996

Titan and geneseed: 2
>>5499124
>>5499139

A spreadsheet: 1
>>5498856
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>>5499383
The same could have been said about our other brothers, specially Dorn since he had a space empire and plans on building while conquering.
So why would Bob gets special treatment, other then we know OOC that he makes the realm of Ultramar?
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>>5498419
>Titan to defend Macragge
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>>5499375
>>5499371
>>5499378
Oh, it this was a vote for me opposing a combo.
I don't mind either winning, but only one thing.
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>>5499371
I'm against it being a combo.
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my vote is for
>no combo.

>>5499386
you put a geneseed and back-up in the titan slot. specifically >>5498773
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>>5499398
Thanks for catching that

Geneseed 10
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5498773 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Backup 4
>>5498436
>>5498773 *
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *

Titan 8
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5499189
>>5499390
>>5498937 *
>>5498996 *
>>5499124 *
>>5499139 *

Spreadsheet 1
>>5498856

Geneseed + Backup 1
>>5498773

Titan + Backup 2
>>5498937
>>5498996

Titan + Geneseed 2
>>5499124
>>5499139

1 gift
>>5499392
>>5499398

2 gifts
>>5499383
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>>5499375
The IC reason is that out of all our brothers we stand to profit a lot from good relations, it's Rob. TalOS is a perceptive Primarch who can figure out what each of us as tools are probably built for. Roboute is the empire building specialist tool more than Dorn who is a defensive specialist, and has other similarities such as desire to see a return of Federal glories. There's also good reason for TalOS to know the 500 worlds since it's pre-age of strife and he was given information from Malcador and also would study Federation history since we style ourselves their successor.
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Careful now, the perspective shift might end us with Roboute Guilliman Quest #1 next thread
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>>5499371
I'd rather not combo then, I'll stick with a titan.
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>>5498419
>Information about Geneseed Compatibility
Titan would be cool, but we gotta one up Fabius by clowning on his geneseed understanding.

Gotta show that broke ass atheist the blessing of the machine go
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So sadly, its looking like I won't be able to release a post here tonight because of other obligations. Things were too close at lunch for me to do a pre-write and I spent extra time at work explaining stuff to a customer. Sadly this is the case but nothing I can do about it.
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>>5498419
>Titan
I like the idea of Astorum being brothers to Ultramars Legio.
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>>5499582

That's fine QM, you got to focus on real life stuff before the quest after all ;)
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>>5499497
We have so many advantages on Guilliman even if we give him the geneseed compatibility (which we've been using for decades + having two space marine types instead of one, with the possibility of a third type of super soldier) that nothing short of getting purged or fucked up in the xenocides would let him catch up. Then we just do the smart thing and not get fucked up in the xenocides, just like Guilliman did.
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Geneseed Compatability
>>5498421
>>5498426
>>5498437
>>5498442
>>5498751
>>5498773
>>5499090
>>5499378
>>5499534

Bolter Gauntlet
>>5498434

Tech Backup
>>5498436

Titan
>>5498553
>>5498769
>>5498937 -
>>5498996 -
>>5499124 -
>>5499139 -
>>5499189
>>5499390
>>5499587

Excel
>>5498856

9&9 for Titan V. Geneseed if I counted correctly. Those marked are asking for combo.
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>>5498419
>>Titan to defend Macragge
>>A backup system for his mega computer
I agree with fostering a brotherly legio to Astorum on Ultramar and a personalized gift to Guilliman. Save the geneseed-compatibility as a powerful bargaining chip.
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>>5500248
This will shoot Titans ahead!
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>>5498419
>Geneseed Compatability
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>>5500299
Too late.
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The night came and went, Guilliman having slept upon the planet of Lucius. Even while he slept the Primarch could feel that he was on an alien world from his own of Macragge. Underneath the planet there was an ever burning star which always crept up through the earth and into the bedchambers that Guilliman had taken for himself. He did not know if this was to be a comfort or something to be cautious about as he slept.

Such was the cost of the alieness. Guilliman in the end still had the mind of a man. When things are occuring that he could barely understand there was that subtle piece of fear that always crept within it.

When morning came and Guilliman arose he quickly set to motion the numerous activities of his people. Giving out a series of commands and resolving issues that had occurred during Guilliman’s stay away from an immediate astropath. It did not escape him that most of the issues he was resolving today were only matters coming from the ships above.

His eyes shifted up through one of the many windows which dotted the Mechanicum’s manufactorium. Through it Guilliman could see the Flagship of TalOS, what reports said was the Blackstone Fortress. Reports were that it suppressed Psychic activity within whatever region it was in.

It was a symbol of Lucian dominance, but also one that caused unparalleled isolation from the rest of the Imperium.

Guilliman held his vision upon the Fortress for another moment. He could feel it, just a little bit within his mind, the presence of TalOS’s creation. It weighed upon him like a blanket which struggles to suffocate an adult. It will not kill him, but if anyone was just that little bit sensitive then he would imagine they would be fighting for their lives.

When his immediate issues were resolved Guilliman once again acquired a toga and left his place of stay. His brother had requested that Guilliman come to his personal manufactorium.
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Might upon the worlds of the Mechanicum is not measured through pure military ability. It was instead measured by the amount of industry that one could press for the rest of the collective. One who manufactures bolters is not necessarily the most powerful Priest, for he can only do what he does because he also receives power from the neighboring power plant who serves not only his but thousands of other workshops.

Thus it was the man who enabled thousands to work that held most of the power. For he had thousands of contracts and agreements which placed him as the sovereign among these Priests and thus was a Magos.

AS Guilliman walked into the halls of TalOS’s Manufactorium, he realized that he was walking the place of a Fabricator General. The greatest industrial machines which raised grand slabs of metal were what he witnessed. Machines that would beat it and craft it were his examples as well as the numerous Priests who were working to create it.

Guilliman understood that service within this manufactorium was seen as both an honor and a learning experience. Lucian Priests, who focused on perfection, saw the value of creating entire Titans as the greatest honor one could have. These days it also had a practical application as TalOS brought his Forge World to create the numerous machines of war which mortal auxilia thrive upon.

As for immediate gains, the great amount of cash reward and the chance of securing land on both Lucius and faraway realms made this occupation one of the most sought after. Guilliman could only think that it grew greater and greater as his brother took control of the operation.

Guilliman found himself walking up a catwalk, all according to the instructions that were fed to him before he left his housing this day. There he found his brother looking at a giant machine of war which Guilliman could scarcely imagine walking. If he did not know the truth, Guilliman would have thought of the Warlord Titan as a Statue.

“It is good to see you arrived brother.” TalOS answered as he gave a hand towards the giant, “This Titan is to be christened as Primus Princeptus, do you not feel the power in its presence.”

“It is hard to estimate without ever seeing one walk.” Guilliman admitted as his eye looked at the grand construction, “It is mighty though.”

“It is good that you like it, for it shall be your first among many.”
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Guilliman felt his hearts skip as he heard those words. He looked squarely upon TalOS as he remembered those words over and over again. It was a truth that was completely and utterly irrational for someone like Guilliman to realize was the truth of the universe.

“You are giving me this Titan?” Guilliman asked as he grasped to confirm the previous statement.

“Yes.” TalOS answered simply in a way that no questions could be made about it, “I am aware that you are to be a ruler of your realm. Thus you will want the greatest weapons to protect that realm from outsiders who might seek it harm. For that, I grant you an Avatar of the Machine God himself.”

Guilliman looked at TalOS with a sense of awe within his eyes. He thought, with good reason, that he might have soured his relationship with his brother upon denying him his bounty of servitor stock. He was wrong though, Guilliman realized, for TalOS gave him a powerful weapon for his people.

“I… I am honored to have it.” Guilliman told his brother while placing his hand upon his chest, “The entire world of Macragge thanks you for this gift TalOS. With this weapon I can leave my homeworld content that no threat will be able to overwhelm the garrison that I leave it.”

“Not all threats will fall to it.” TalOS pointed out with the knowledge of a veteran Princeps, “But it is a good start.”

Guilliman knew that the tales of TalOS’s gift giving spirit was true to a fault. To think that he would give a Titan of all things to his brother though rattled the Primarch’s mind. Guilliman was prepared though.

“For you brother, I do not have anything material.” Guilliman admitted as he handed his brother a small device, “But I do have the cogitators of my people and the STCs that we employ. May you find something there of benefit.”

He watched his brother smile as the device between them lit up with a data transfer logo. The red eyes of his brother were looking at something Guilliman could not see. When they were finished looking they settled upon Guilliman with a smile, “I thank you for this information Brother, I shall start using this information right away.”

“I look forward to seeing these wondrous machines when I return.” Guilliman told his brother.

“Until the next time you step upon Lucius’s soil.” TalOS answered him.

The two gripped each other's arms and shook them. Agreement between the two of them was reached.
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TalOS marked the moment his brother entered the warp to go upon his own reconquista. The majority of materials that Guilliman had provided TalOS were records of the past, both of Macragge and of the Terran Federation, but among those parcels was locations that TalOS will need to seek out.

He also noted the tank turret designs that were among the files. If he ever got to design some form of tank he will need to use these as a building block.

As he finished looking through the materials given to him, TalOS once again engrossed himself into the messages that he shall respond to as the Fabriactor General. Numerous requests for him to mediate disputes, let it be of Nobles, Knights, or Priest, were all given over to those who TalOS knew to trust. It was one of the more annoying things about being a leader for other leaders seeked him out to meditate. In doing so was one of the last steps before the two parties went into full scale war.

And that was if TalOS allowed it or not. He was well aware of realms at the fringes of his Empire committing themselves to skirmishes for things like asteroids and the like. As long as full war was not broken out TalOS will not need to turn his ire to that situation.

The primary issue that TalOS came across was a message received from Pterraxi. The Arch Explorator had been going through the numerous systems which laid within the realm of Lucius and as such was discovering all manner of xenos and human civilizations. Xenos were easily destroyed as the could not match the might of Lucius, while humans were easily bribed into compliance.

What message he received from Pterraxi was a first in their multiyear expansion. A planet full of humans has resisted all forms of coercion from the Mechanicum. They did not accept the chance at eternal life or the limitless food that Lucius could not bring to the table. They did not want to trade and demanded that Lucius leave them alone.

TalOS already knew what happens to realms like these in the Imperium, they are swiftly conquered. What would be his policy though?

>TalOS shall also conquered it
>Leave them be
>Destabilize the society, make them crack (Opium Wars Style)
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>>5500323
>>TalOS shall also conquered it
Nothing PARTICEP SEMPER can't handle.
Really, I want to see the titans walk once more.
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>>5500323
>Destabilize society, make them crack in a way that doesn't destroy any kind of technology in the process.
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>>5500323
>Leave them be
Leave them an estimate in how fast they will be conquered by the imperium if they don't willingly join and the likely damages
Make it public to the priesthood
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>>5500323
>Destabilize the society, make them crack (Opium Wars Style)
TALOS DAVIS, GIFT GIVER SUPREME, as an Empire Loyalist, I cannot resist throwing opium at any problem
Although, I do also heavily enjoy just conquering the whole thing
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>>5500323
>Destabilize the society, make them crack (Opium Wars Style)
We shall sell them the most powerful drug: Copium
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>>5500323
There is no discernable difference between 1 and 3, since both use millitary force of varying amounts and ability.

>Talos shall conquer it
This is the shortest option, with the most benefit from a swift turn around. By destabalising the society, we would need to fix it after owning them. which is a drain on resources.
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>>5500352
First is the Imperium's way, the Third is the British Way.
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>>5500323
>Destabilize the society, make them crack (Opium Wars Style)
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>>5500353
1 is smash down the door, kill anyone who resists and then install puppets.

3 is find causius belli, beat the shit out of them until they capitulate, enforce treaties and then repeat step one when you want more.

Lets cut out the middle man here, and do the short version, instead of the long pantomime which just causes more resentment.
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>>5500355
Create the problem, sell the solution
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>>5500356
Only works when you don't own the people you are selling the solution too. Then you have just damaged your own property for an attempt at economic domination. . which you also own.
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Anon(s), you've been in this quest for over a YEAR now. How come you can vote for anything but PARTICEP SEMPER *impossibly loud warhorn*
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>>5500360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJ6VV9Wdhc
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
It's been a while since Particeps Semper walked.
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>>5500323
>>TalOS shall also conquered it
These_boots_were_made_for_walkin.mp3
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>>5500323
>Talos shall conquer it
The machine god's might will hopefully get them into our empire faster than the British way
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>>5500323
>Destabilize the society, make them crack (Opium Wars Style)
the federation must grow.
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>>5500323

>TalOS shall also conquered it.
This is a human world, we are not going to fight as if they were aliens, we are going to fight a unique terrible fight with the aim of ending it as quickly as possible.
Furthermore, the reconstruction process has to be studied during the invasion, a devastated and depopulated land is not worth the effort of reintegrating into our federation.
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
Oh boy! A planet full of fresh material for the Tech-Thrall legions and the factorum servitors! A pity they won't join of their own accord, but they forfeit the carrot and now they get the hydraulic power-stick. Tick-Tock fuckers. Neither the Great Crusade nor the Reconquista have time to wait if you don't have anything worthwhile, we need that Lebensraum. Maybe if you were a powerful industrial planet or had some valuable technology.

But all I'm hearing is 'planet full of non-compliant humans'.

>>5500353
First is the British Way in India
Third is the British Way in China

India became, for a time, an important territory, home to the East India company and then a power house for the Empire as Raj that would contribute massively to its wars and economy in sepoy soldiers and resources.
China just became China, not truly in British control apart from Hong Kong, squabbled over by others, with no control over its resources or even the ability to levvy troops from it for either world wars, and a really big mess.

Better the Raj than China.
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>>5500571
they forfeit the carrot and they get the DRILL
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
Tbh the policy should also take into account the actual value of the planets technology and industry, but even those can be rebuilt. If it's just a regular civilized world then fuck em. We need servitors as much as willing citizens.
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it

TalOS is out of practice and this is a good place to test the new warmachines and make his legion and auxiliary experienced with them.
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>>5501158
It's a great opportunity to test out some fancy non-lethal technologies and how good we can be at subduing humans alive. If the Eldar are capable of kidnapping entire planets, we won't be beaten by Xenos.
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
Time to see how good we are at subduing a population alive.
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
Third option's only viable if the planet has such high value that invasion would be suboptimal.
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>>5501188
We dark eldar have perfected our craft for thousands of years, mon-keigh
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>>5500323
>TalOS shall also conquered it
Come on TalOS me boy show em you still gots them fire
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Probably should avoid fire this time. Some mass deployment of knock-out gas, cryo weapons, toxin darts and stun weapons along with plenty of automata collectors. Unless the population is corrupted beyond salvation, then we wouldn't bother with invasion and just head back up to orbit to finish the job.
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>>5500323
>>TalOS shall also conquered it

Depending on the world we are probably well off if we do a purely military war, in the sense that we focus on military targets and keep both industry as well as civilan infrastructure as intact as possible. As few civilian casualties as possible too, that might prevent resentment from the general populace as well as demonstrate our precision.

>Guilliman knew that the tales of TalOS’s gift giving spirit
Talosclaus as a legend on Macragge when?
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how absolutely jealous do you think Fulgrim is going to be when he hears that he's the only brother who has yet to receive a gift but bobby got a warlord titan. everyone else gift is insignificant in comparison (at least until we wake up the phalanx's machine spirit when we go on crusade with him).
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TalOS shall conquer it
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>>5501158
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>>5501574
>>5501653 - Guilliman did his research before coming over. Duh.

Like the British
>>5500338
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>>5500440

Leave Them
>>5500340

I'll admit my plan was not for TalOS to march to war, but you guys are asking for it and I have no reason to deny.
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>>5501693
One does not simply say no to Particep Semper
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>>5501653
Saint TalOS was a jolly brother who wore robes of red, and every where he goes the troops cheer in joy at all the supplies and toys he brings to good auxilia girls and boys.
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>>5501688
It also casts doubt on how well his legion will get along with the Iron Hands. Sure maybe he and Ferrus will still click, but the Iron Hands are as much into body modding and exceeding the Emperors design as we are. The primarchs may get along, but the message against altering the Emperors design will remain.
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His mind’s eye gazed upon the communication as something within the Primarch shifted. Upon analysis it was not really in him, but coming from the Titan which he was connected to. Even then TalOS wondered if the feeling was more him being pressured by the Titan or just the Titan agreeing with his first and most primal of thoughts.

It was anger he was experiencing. A righteous anger at the fools who had denied him so many overtures and deals that could have been struck.

They did not want to join the rest of humanity and for that they will have to suffer. Let it be arrogance or stupidity TalOS did not care. What he cared about was the fact that something within his horde was openly denying him.

The message to be sent back was simple but one that had all the might of the Fabricator General within it. A declaration that any Priest would realize was a greater import to anything else.

TalOS will be heading there to make sure these people know who they are. That they had spat in the face of the Federation and for that shall pay the price for it.

The message quickly became many as the network realized what was being said. Ships were beginning to awaken while Legions of both Skitarii and Proelitor were told that they are to place themselves within the Blackstone Fortress.

TalOS quickly began seeing command runes of Titans being commissioned. He marked his Companion to be one of the many that were to march upon this nessent world. The implications of this notification quickly became rumor and fact as it was the greatest of proof what TalOS’s purpose of marching forward was.

An Avatar of the Machine God shall walk upon the planet.

None will survive.
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When the Federation Negotiated with the world it was not through the arm of power but instead a political sort. Such a reason was because those that willingly joined the Federation were to gain voting rights within the greater organization. Thus it was unwise to bully people into the conglomerate lest they are a source of rot within the foundation.

That was the reason Bribery was the most effective play on a planet. The use of money to entice a planet into compliance was one that made people favor the network that gave them those allowances in the first place. They will vote in favor of the ruling class and thus stability was kept.

For this civilization neither of these were acceptable. Thus all ships within the system under the Mechanicum control left and a lone Servitor Craft was left behind to give the message.

+You have rejected our attempts at peace, not realizing the truth of the matter was that you are already ours. We shall hereby enforce compliance upon the Estig and all Client Worlds within the system. Total Compilation is the only acceptable course of action to avoid annihilation. Respond at any time, but know that it will be to surrender.+

As that message was fed into the system the warp at the edge of the system fluctuated. Tearing through reality was the largest ship that anyone within the system had ever seen and they could feel its presence across distant worlds. As the rift closed the numerous ships that were within the hull released themselves into the void and formed into a battleline so that they can march towards the systems in a supportive manner.

There was an obvious fear within the navy of the enemy as they starred upon the magnificence of the Blackstone Fortress. Their fleets quickly broke their defensive ranks in a vain attempt to flee the incoming super-carrier. What they found instead was numerous ships coming in from all sides of the system which had delayed their arrival just long enough to strike as they fled into their hands.

The battle was bloody for the natives of this system.

Not a single Mechanicum vessel was lost as coordinated fire tore into the thrusters of the natives and then their hulls. Guns and the like were destroyed allowing for the extraction of the crew upon the Lucian Vessels.

The Forges were always hungry for the flesh of man.
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The fleet was destroyed in short order which allowed the Blackstone Fortress to go through the system with ease. The civilization here, whose name did not matter, had a series of outposts across the system to act as both defenses and as homes for their people.

As these could act as flanking bases and minor fortresses, they were cleaned out with a combination of Skitarii Vanguard and Proelitor arms. It was a swift undertaking as all the lives that were upon these ships were taken and the vessels themselves filled with new monitoring equipment.

The natives had an infantile form of the Vox Network that the Mechanicum enjoyed so much. As it was young it was easily turned to work in the Mechanicum’s favor so that the invaders could learn anything and everything that could possibly be found.

Nothing was lost, let it be simple pictures to entire conspiracies that currently held the world under its dominion. Such information, which would have been useful during the negotiations, was shelved as the Mechanicum knew that these were facts that did not matter any more.

The last of the defenses, a series of artillery systems on the moon or orbiting the planet, were destroyed with a series of precision laser shots from the Blackstone Fortress. The fears of debris was easily defeated as any scrap which laid in the atmosphere was taken out through precision fire of the Blackstone Fortress’s guns.

As this was a settled world that could sustain the life of man, it was ruled that this planet was within the first percentile of acceptable planets. According to the same analysis this meant that bombardment was not an acceptable method of destruction for the planet below. There was plenty of exploitation that needed to be done and so war designs were made.

With a series of ships in position the drop pods were released upon open fields that were outside the city defense systems that would have held some resistance to the invasion. Such was standard combat formation as Lucius did not need any air to surface support now that touchdown was made. A series of long marches were made that arrived at many of the major cities, including the capital of the world.

The siege officially began when the teleportation beacons were turned on.
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TalOS sat in the Throne Mechanicum in a deep silence for a long time. He and Particep Semper were one in the same now, the Machine Spirit of the vessel begging to be released upon the planet which was below them. To subjugate them for their insolence against the Machine God and all that was right.

This was to be granted.

+All systems live. Guns are mounted and ready.+ Declared a Moderati as he tested out the systems that he was in command of.

+Fabricator General the Teleportation Matrix has been created and calibrated. I am sending it to you for verification.+ Another of the Moderati said as TalOS was fed a small parcel of information.

TalOS studied the coordinates and power usages that were being recommended. He noted that there were a few errors that would not cause any real issue for the teleportation from the Fortress onto the planet. TalOS did not take any chances though and made the changes that were required.

+Confirm.+ TalOS said as he tossed the information from himself to the other Moderati.

The man looked over the information for a minute before handing it off to TalOS again, +Confirmed Fabricator General. We are ready to engage in teleportation.+

+Clear decks, sealing hatches, enabling Gellar Field.+ TalOS rattled off the rite of activation as he checked all the systems for congruency, +We have received clearance from all decks. Initiating Teleporation.+

There was a moment’s shift into reality as they went into the warp for transport. Normally TalOS would have been pained by being within the realm of souls, but Teleportation was the one interaction with the dimension that the Machine God had complete dominion over. After all it was teleportation technology that brought TalOS to Lucius, he knew to trust it with his life.

Soon his feet touched ground and TalOS looked up to see a city surrounded by a shimmering shield. He felt the Annihilator warm up as Particep Semper was prepared for war.

>Overpower the Shield Defence
>Provide covering fire for the assaulting infantry
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
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>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
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>>5501752
>>Walk forward, march through the shield.
The titan moves
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>>5501752
>March through the shield

Once we're through, we can fire with Impunity.
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>>5501752
>Provide covering fire for the assaulting infantry.
Lets not blow our load in the first round, an enemy mecha might appear.
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>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield
Shoot first to crack the shields to maintain momentum as we march upon them
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>>5501752

QM, what the fuck is this?
>"None will survive, Tttal compilation is the only acceptable course of action to avoid annihilation, not a single Mechanicum vessel was lost as coordinated fire tore into the thrusters of the natives and then their hulls, the Forges were always hungry for the flesh of man.
Extermination of an entire planet? The destruction of human technology without the necessary studies? This was not what was agreed upon when we voted for the option to conquer, emphases on CONQUEST. A pile of ashes is not something achieved, it is something destroyed.

>Walk forward, march through the shield.
Perhaps a show of force of that level will cause the natives to surrender, not that I think it makes any difference at this point. Decades of expensive recolonization and reconstruction because a semi-perfect being with cybernetic enhancements inside his brain, couldn't hold on to his fucking nerves, holy shit.
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>>5501839
I misstyped Total Capitulation. I'm an idiot. Essentially either they give an unconditional surrender or face death.
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>>5501845
Even if they don't surrender, we should ought to try and preserve as much of the civilian populace and take plenty of prisoners.

The servitors can't make themselves! (It's written into the Holy Von-Neuman Clause)
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>>5501897
Agreed, why waste so much stuff when we could take it instead
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>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
Every Imperator can contain at least one full company of space marines, with vehicle compliment to match. We're the Imperiums greatest assault vessel. Deploy them and take over the shield generators from within!
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>>5501900
I mean thats whats been happening.
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>>5501752
>Provide covering fire for the assaulting infantry
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>>5501752
>Provide covering fire for the assaulting infantry
Would be nasty if they had a surprise titan killer weapon hidden somewhere, distance let's us remain maneuverable and we can still take out whatever we have to to let the skitarii take the city

>>5501908
Kk Guess I just missread something then
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>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
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>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
Treat the shield as if it was non-existent and the enemies morale will plummet
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>>5501748
Cool that TalOS is thinking of himself more as the Dragon of Lucius. When we connect with Metallica (it existed since the age of strife iirc) we should get Metallican Lungs and install a Sulphur-Breath from Serberys Sulphurhounds so we can actually breathe fire upon our foes that get too close.
>>5501752
>Walk forward, march through the shield.
Never let it be said we did not come in person to deal with the issue ourself.
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>>5501752
>Walk Forward
WALK WALK BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>5501752
>>Overpower the Shield Defence
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Just letting y'all know, your quest has been intentionally misarchived by some faggot
MachineQM should ping lordlicorice on the suptg discord to get it fixed

https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5493690/#top
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>>5498683
QM already knows
>>5502548
>>5498721
>>5498725
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>>5502550
I did not have the link. I will get this fixed...
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>>5502592
In that case anon was very helpful
>>5502548
Thank you anon
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>>5502592
The Lord has been notified and is actually online today. He will fix it.
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TalOS, through Particep Semper, felt the numerous batteries and attacks from the enemy as they attempted to pelt him from afar. As bullets and las fire slammed into the shileds of the Divine, the Princeps decided that enough was enough.

He first let out a powerful warhorn into the air. Those whose hearing was not augmented felt their ears burn and pop with the fury of a raging god. To answer his call the numerous Knights who were acting as his guardians blared their own horns in response to his declaration of divine wrath.

Then Particep Semper began to move, one step at a time, through the zones between the siege camp and the city. The defenses of the city began to throw everything they possibly had into the hull of the Mighty Avatar, but none of the attacks even went through the shielding that held Particep Semper aloft.

TalOS did not march alone as a dozen Knights walked around his feet as guardians. The largest, a Castellan who came up to the knees of the Imperator, let out a blast from his Volcano Lance that shredded whatever terrain that obstructed the incoming fleet. The rest marched with the Titan as they took no fire whatsoever.

Both the mortal and transhuman auxiliaries knew this chance was what they were waiting for. Numerous vehicles carrying men of all breeds were brought to the fore running in between the feet of these mighty war machines. Among these were the mighty Leman Russ which numbered one thousand in number.

When these tanks made it to an optimal position they began their bombardments against the shield. One after another they slammed into the protective walls that hid just behind the shielding system. Under the stress of so many attacks the Void Shield Network that was protecting the capital of this delinquent Empire could not defend against all of them.

As if knowing what was to happen numerous enemy tanks of motorized forces quickly began leaving their defenses and skirting the outside of the wall. They were not subtle about this owing to the fact that TalOS watched these movements from the comfort of the Throne Mechanicum.

With a thought he rearranged his forces to defend their flanks from the eventual encirclement. Using the speed of the Leman Russ and two of his venerable Knights they were to meet the enemy in combat at an angle. These forces were to hold out and retreat, buying time for TalOS to arrive upon the city in full force.

But nothing the enemy had could face a Titan.
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So much fire power was poured into the shielding of Particep Semper that it demonstrated the efficacy of static defenses. When one did not need to move their weapons or armor they were able to scale these same weapons up to degrees that might not even be seen on starships. The Void Shield, for example, was many times stronger than that found on a standard Cruiser due in part that it was likely three times larger than standard.

But in the end these fools underestimated the technological gap that they had against the Mechanicum. Records recovered from their Vox network showed that they had endured numerous sieges from Orks and the like, thus thinking that they could enforce their isolationist philosophy upon others who wished to conquer them.

They were fools thinking that the greatest forms of technology belonged to the Orks of all creatures. For all their Brutality and Cunning the Orks were by their very nature only technologically brilliant because of their evolution. What they made was always crude and never more robust than the standard guns that humanity could bear against them. Terrifying in numbers they may be, they never had the ability to concentrate so much power in one place.

That was the power of an Imperator Titan. Beyond all, it was the concentration of human ingenuity from across time and space to create a single fortress which walked. Even as the Shield Systems within Particep Semper finally failed the numerous guns of the enemy were near useless against the hull of the God Machine’s might.

Finally, after so much walking, Particep Semper arrived at the walls of the fortress-city. Paticep Semper brought one of its feet back, quickly slamming it against the walls which kept the Avatar from his place of vengeance. The impact of this attack was so great that any mortal man who stood upon the walls lost their lives in an instant. Rockcrete was shattered with rebar being turned into molten sludge from the sudden amounts of pressure exerted upon it.

Then the other foot came down.

The walls of the city were quickly shattered under the feet of this giant, crumbled into ruins across the floor. Like a swarm of locusts the Knights and their Armigers rushed the breach killing any mortal man and tank which had the gaul to survive their God’s fury and vengeance.

With entry gained TalOS too walked over the ruins. His feet were so large that the houses of small families were crushed without care for who was within it.

Now on the other side of the wall Particep Semper brought up his Plasma Annihilator while under the continuous fire of the enemy’s defenses. He took his moment to aim the large cannon, then fired.
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To compare the attack of a Plasma Annihilator to anything else cannot be made with the reasoning of mankind. The closest to what man has brought down onto the battlefield was the Fusion Bombs of old, but those weapons were only one time use and would bring contamination to the enviroment.

What the Plasma Annihilator brought was the same power of a star upon the battlefield. A single shot of this gun caused devastation against those who stood near the Titan, numerous houses and the like being set alight by their proximity to the blast.

The next was the devastation sought against by the weapon’s real target. In this case it was a large gun installation which was sending a constant stream of laser fire against the hull of the great giant which dwarfed the sky. It was once there, likely a mighty creation meant to defend the city from even orbital bombardments that might seek to harm it from afar. Records showed that it was the pride and achievement of these people who saw themselves as better than the rest of mankind.

With a single shot it was gone. Turn into a molten pile of sludge along with the rest of the wall which it sat upon for numerous Leman Russes to cross through.

As TalOS scored a kill here he directed all his other guns to the other defence installations. Gunfire rained upon these structures which one by one were turned into sundering ruins for the future to pick through.

As there was nothing harming TalOS he brought his attention to the battle outside. No longer locked in a struggle against the defenses and behind what was keeping his shots out, TalOS allowed the Hellstorm Cannon he possessed to scream a bloody murder across the field. Each shot was comparable to the size of vehicles and were fed with ancient machines that were barely understood by the Mechanicum itself.

None survived as these bullets landed across the field. Death was sundered as entire squads were wiped from the field. Any infantry that was either near or were fighting with the vehicles were wiped out thanks to the sheer impact of these shells.

The last of the defenders who held any real struggle were wiped out with a single shot of the Plasma Annihilator. A great size crater of molten glass where the attackers once were.

A sense of satisfaction washed among TalOS from Particep Semper. The feeling of total annihilation creeping through his veins like a powerful drug felt all the more real because TalOS understood exactly what was happening.

The city was his, none could stand in his way now.
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There were few buildings that were taller than Particep Semper who walked the streets of the city. Many of these were but Civilian buildings without any outfit of offensive potential or defensive posturing. These people, so ingrained in their sense of security, that they did not make what truly made cities impossible to attack.

TalOS knew, with a single thought, that he could destroy this entire city.

He did not choose that fate for these people. It was not out of a sense of obligation or humility that he had thought of this. He instead did it out of a practical matter for these people will be made into an entire forge’s worth of servitors. The other was that if the leader of these people actually came to TalOS with a petition to surrender to the Federation.

If he did that then the fate of this world would be subservience. Being that it held blue skies and green ground it was a great candidate to become an agri-world. The natives who survived and did not resist their domination will find themselves displaced across the Federation’s many Hive Worlds. By doing so TalOS would reap both their productivity as well as remove any chance that they will unite against the Federation.

These plans were already set even before TalOS walked upon the planet, because with the exception of population disbursement this was exactly the manner Xenos were dealt with. Some will call TalOS cruel for enacting such measures but they were with the complete willingness of the Federation. TalOS did not need to win over the populace of this planet, he needed the planet itself with the people being but pest upon a soon to be agri-world.

Steps began to slow as TalOS looked upon the meager state house of the lord. It was not nearly as tall as any of the civilian spires which dotted the area and was small enough to be crushed with a single step of Particep Semper. Counter measures were already taken as Pterraxi’s Skystalkers were now flying off the shoulders of Particep Semper to scour the ground for any who might retreat. If there were escape routes through tunnels then the Termites who were boring through the ground had already found them.

TalOS simply needed to make a decision on what to do with these leaders who have failed to contact TalOS in any manner. Had they killed themselves out of shame, stubbornly resistant, or were simply unable to contact TalOS? If TalOS was to destroy these people then none of these realities would be known. However there would always be the thought upon his mind.

>Annihilate them
>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor

Ultimately, the answer doesn't matter. But a tech priests weakness is a desire for knowledge.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5502656
>>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
I bet chaos did it
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor
Be sure to scan for any bombs buried in the building, lest their leaders try to spite us with a primed atomic blast.

They themselves if captured alive will make some nice new Thallaxxi. An agonyzer matrix will suit them well.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
They've felt the wrath of our God Machine, now let them taste the fury of our sons
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>Send in the Proelitor.

NGL feels bad to do this to humans.
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>>5503027
Dont worry they arent humans. They are traitors.
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>>5503037
>if captured alive (...) An agonyzer matrix will suit them well
>Dont worry they arent humans

Hey Nano, i think you drank a bit to much of the cool-aid my guy 'cause you are starting to sound a bit like one of those.. special type of tech-priests.
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>>5503099
Error; Mercy.exe not found.
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>>5502656
>Annihilate them

Waste of time and one Proelitor life the other option is.
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>>5503027
Yeah, it sucks. But they forced our hand.
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>>5502656
>Send in the Proelitor.
While a small pity they didn't join us, it was inevitable we'd encounter non-compliant worlds. All the primarchs did. At least we put nothing to waste like the War Hounds would.

Die Einhaltung und Ordnung ist obligatorisch!
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>>5502656
What a beauty, from an interesting individual who saw the value in humanity, to a destructive beast unable to control himself during a simple conquest.
Congratulations gentlemen we have another autistic Primarch.

>Send in the Proelitor.
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>>5503669
I'm not sure where you imply we have lost control.

There is absolutely value in humanity, even now.
We however are tech priests. We're going to do the course most effecient to us, and take the world since they won't join of their own volition
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>>5503718
Well, are you aware that the moment we destroy the enemy space force, we could have ended this war?
These natives may have powerful shields, but so far I have no description off a weapon capable of damaging our precious "combat station", and we have the ability to communicate with the natives.
Tal0S could have knocked out a mountain from orbit and threatened to do the same against all cities that did not surrender. We would have a world with zero casualties and with all possible technological knowledge intact. After all these guys are not suicidal they are smart enough to recognize the difference in strength.
Unfortunately they didn't have that chance, and now they are resisting to avoid their own extermination. The problem is not the action but the methods.
How much infrastructure was lost, not to mention the human loss, and possible knowledge because no subtle tactics were attempted?
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>>5503736
They have had repeated chances.

They had a chance to surrender when we left, they had a chance to surrender when we arrived, they had a chance to surrender when we landed and have had, up to this moment, ANY of the many hours this would have taken to send ANY form of communication using their primitive Vox network or even throwing down their guns.
The simple matter, as pointed out in one of the earlier posts, was that because they had repeatedly turtled up and fended off the greenskins they believed they could survive anything.
Blowing up a mountain would have been met with silence just like us blowing apart a planetary pride weapon and walking a small mountain of metal into a heavily populated capitol city is met with silence.

We are dealing with enemy combatants. Not potential converts, they have made this exceedingly clear.
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>>5503746

How are you sure they wouldn't surrender? Green boys are strong but don't usually have that much firepower. Besides, they are not converted, they are potential taxpayers.
You know that thing the federation doesn't have, a stable way of acquiring resources? These natives we could tax, but after so much damage they will consume resources instead of contributing them. This is the point.
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>>5503768
They were defending themselves against whole Wagh's, not the once from primitive orkoids, but that same empire that the princes put an end to. That does qualify for firepower.

And where do you get the idea we don't have taxpayers? We have many planets that already have hive cities or are in the process of devolping them, not to speak of the agri and forge worlds that all pay their share in different ways.
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>>5503768
Because we've already done your demonstration of power. And we're already doing the threatening, and they still aren't surrendering.

Ardent Isolationists are quite stubborn and the text of the post [which admittidly is Talos' speculation] is that the planet thought itself impenetrable because they thought the orks are the worst the galaxy could throw at them in a land war.

I used converts in the sense of "join the fed" rather than "join the cult", because they are no longer eligible for membership as an entity into the federation. And we won't be taxing them if they DO surrender either.

The plan for them, as written out here >>5502656 but highlighted again
>If he did that then the fate of this world would be subservience. Being that it held blue skies and green ground it was a great candidate to become an agri-world. The natives who survived and did not resist their domination will find themselves displaced across the Federation’s many Hive Worlds. By doing so TalOS would reap both their productivity as well as remove any chance that they will unite against the Federation.

If they surrender, their cultural identity dies, their civilians scattered across the fed to be productive and benefit us.
If they don't, they are turned into servitors. Either way, the planet will become an Agri world and we will hand it over to either a noble, a knight or a Magos to run. Then we will tax them.
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>>5503772
Contributing yes, in way we want in the volume we need no. Important detail.
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>>5503773

So the answer is they didn't give up so we're going to spend twice as much resources to justify this campaign. Remembering that at no point did we try to get in contact with them during this massacre.
But who cares it's not like the concern of wins versus losses for this scenario matters. Who would have thought that in the end, Perturabo was right
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>>5503776
Where do you get that idea? There has been no mention of any shortages of tax, neither in food or money or resources.
Yes, we can always use more, but there have to bre practical concerns met first and foremost.
For example loyalty and shared participation in the federation, neither can be expected from these isolationists. They should have another chance after their defeat, under different leadership of course but its not looking like we could rely on them in anything.

>>5503778
Again, we did try to contact them, that is how we know that they both exist and have technology to comunitacte in the first place.

>+You have rejected our attempts at peace, not realizing the truth of the matter was that you are already ours. We shall hereby enforce compliance upon the Estig and all Client Worlds within the system. Total Compilation is the only acceptable course of action to avoid annihilation. Respond at any time, but know that it will be to surrender.+

But they denied any further attempt for cooperation and did not react in any non military manner after we entered the system, reached their world, landed our Titan, walked up to their city, broke their shield and attacked their city.
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>>5503778
When we say "You've rejected our every peaceful overture, now surrender or die. You may surrender at any time." that means you can surrender at any time. We cannot keep stopping after every shot fired to go "You reconsidered yet? Do you know that if we keep doing this, you're going to die? you reconsidered yet?"

Literally, what would you do when they refused to surrender?
You are acting like we've offered them no chances and made this invasion unannounced and completely by surprise with no offer of salvation in sight which isn't the case in the slightest.

And the reason I'm so annoyed is that you are making an accusation of unrestrained and baseless bloodlust and ignoring offer and way to avoid this situation that has been offered. The ONLY way to avoid killing them from our end is to not engage militarily which would mean refusing to take the planet, because they rejected money, technology, comradeship and political capitol to join the federation.
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>>5503786
He does have a point about the bloodlust, getting angry and mobilizing and interstellar entity to subjugate a single star system isn't exatly rational. Its full on imperial colonization thinking, but we *are* in 40k, this is considered entirely sane and healthy.
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>>5503786
*Ignoring every offer and way to avoid this situation
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>>5503791
We didn't come to engage in the slaughter of civilians and enjoy the cries of orphans.

We came to take a world that refused to bend the knee so we can use it.

That's the difference between a blood obsessed maniac and an imperialist.
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>>5503780

Anon are you blind? We have already received more than one complaint from the empire that the federation is accumulating resources without contributing anything, our dear uncle said so and so did the doll. The federation does not exist a vacuum.

And:
>"at no point did we try to get in contact with them during this massacre".
I was very specific.
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>>5503796
They aren't speaking about our taxes, they were speaking about a primarch and his legion not taking part in the greater crusade. Thats why Rogal Dorn negotiated our seat at the war council.
He understood we needed the time to build the federation after we almost overreached and risked it falling apart, he even anticipated the emperor getting back to terra to consolidated power in our example.
We negotiated a year of participation in the cursade, by joinging him for a bit and staying in shape so to speak.

Giving them an option is leaving the line open, there will be no negotiation unless the other party makes a move. There is no sense in trying this again and insulting their intelligence, invading them is actually taking them seriously.
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>>5503798
Our uncle understood, the rest of the empire however... But who cares about them?

>>5503794
Yes, a glorious military conquest, of a proud people. I just hope this doesn't turn into a guerrilla war for decades after all these proud people have withstood several invasions in the last millennia. Campaigns like this tend to be quick and do not cause delays in the reintegration process.
And with a little faith they won't sabotage all their technology so it doesn't fall into our hands. This will be a quick win with no consequences.
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>>5503804
You still didn't answer "what would you do when they refuse to surrender"
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>>5503804
He and the emperor are literally the only ones that matter in this case. Its nice if the other sectors like us, but it is by no means a necessety yet, we have time to get on their good side (i am trying not to metagame and anticipate the Horus heresy).
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>>5503804
This is gorilla warfare
So far we went into the heart of their territory, wrecked their forces and beat our chest.
They are going to learn subservience or what dying feels like
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>>5503804
Also, yes. It will be.

this is a world that doesn't matter, that likely never will matter and shall only be recorded as the precedent setter for our "Refuse to be inducted into the federation" policy.

All the shit you're talking about is only avoided if they actively wish to participate in negotiations. If they do not, then the time you give them is just going to be used to fortify and then rig their info-stocks and technology to explode, if they would do so at all.

So stop with the "Oooh, sure I'll point out downsides to your idea but I'm ssssuuuureeeee it won't backfire" routine, because you offer nothing better and at this point I'd settle for something viable.

Best outcome was no war and a willing participation in the federation. This outcome is impossible as has been from the moment we were refused and told to leave.
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>>5503805
If it is not possible to negotiate peace after a show of sufficient force, biological weapons to exterminate the entire human population on the planet, thus preserving most of the valuable resources of this place.

>>5503807
I hope you are correct, with a little luck this world will not have caves.
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The pull of morality and thought went through TalOS in an instant. Reasoning needed to be applied to this issue as with all issues that faced the Mechanicum. Thus the question becomes what TalOS would do with a lack of information.

As a Priest of the Mechanicum his duty was to resolve a lack of information.

In that single thought TalOS’s decision was already set. The question now became whether it was a sound idea to send the Proelitors in to clear the place and take their prisoners. The scan of the facility was rigged with any kind of dangerous explosives that could spell the end of his sons.

Much to the luck of TalOS he found none. So the order was given.

With a single thought an entire company of Proelitors were sent from the feet of Particep Semper. From above jump packed troops as well as Skystalkers came flying to secure the rooftops from any offensive.

When the Marines fought their game was brutality. Death and murder was their creation and they distributed it to any of those who TalOS pointed them towards.

It was this death and destruction that wrecked through the front doors of this State House. The Proelitors who were attuned with Machine Spirits quickly mapped out the entire facility and marked out where exactly the warriors of the Mechanicum were to donate their wroth upon.

Room after room were clear of people. Hostiles were quickly dealt with while those who did not possess a firearm were sent to the ground with broken limbs. They were going to become fuels for the furnaces. Much was the fate of all upon this planet if their ruler was not reasonable.

As they cleared through the rooms a series of gunshots were sounded that was not Volkite. In an instant three squads of Astartes were sent flying into the thicket of what was a growing gunfight between several sides.

As TalOS found, in the final moments this civilization broke down upon factions. Such a thing was reasonable as even if any of these factions were to unite against the Mechaincum there was no chance for them. Thus to fracture was really the best aim for them as many of those breaking away thought trying to contact the Mechanicum was their best method to avert annihilation.

They were right too. They were right in thinking this but were not strong enough to save themselves. When the Astartes arrived most of those fighting found that they were too dangerous to be kept standing.
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Particep Semper stood vigil over the ruins of a city which was once great. Carnage and devastation were brought upon these peoples by the Federation. It would not however be seen as a stain upon the record of the Mechanicum’s servants for their war was just.

Others will see it differently and the same depending on who one discussed it with. But such issues will come to historians and remembrancers who might never even hear of this event. Those who will judge it today will note that while devastation was wrought, this brother did show the people some benevolence as their acting leader stepped upon Particep Semper.

TalOS looked upon a nearly dead face of a fearful creature. Forced to kneel by the strength of the two Astartes that stood behind him, the man looked upon TalOS with a pitiful expression upon his brow. He stole glances upon TalOS, each and every one of them filled with the fear a person might have if they were staring at their own god.

If TalOS was looking upon the Machine God itself then he would do the same. Here though positions were different and TalOS was but a god to this man.

“W-we agree to th-the terms! Give us mercy!” The man shouted at the ground with a voice that was pained through eternal screaming.

TalOS looked upon the man from his Throne Mechanicum, a series of wires and cabling threading themselves into his spine in such a way that it demoted him complete authority. It was, beyond any other, the perfect throne for one who called themself a Fabricator General of the Mechanicum.

“Under what authority do you say this?” TalOS asked this man with a hint of mercy, “I understand your predecessor killed himself out of shame.”

“H-he did oh great one!” The man whimpered and twitched as he shook his head, “I am a member of his cabinet, the only one who has yet survived! As Acting Lord Minister I hereby subvert the planet of Estig to your throne!”

“Good, that is good.” TalOS simmered the words within his vox caster as he held within his hand complete dominion, “Your words shall be sent across the planet for all to see. No matter where they live or fight they will hear your pleas for mercy and your authority. If they act accordingly then their lives will be spared.”

TalOS watched as the man’s limbs finally laxed. Whatever fears and adrenaline which flowed through his blood was sapped out of him as the words of TalOS were given. Studying his form TalOS could tell that he shall forever be scarred by the actions of the Mechanicum here today and remember what had become of them.
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The Astartes who were with the man began to pick him up but finally he looked at TalOS fully. Tears were strung out within his eyes as he looked pained, “My Lord, I wish to ask you. Why did you do this to us?”

With a thought TalOS placed a stop order to the Astartes who did as they were told. The man, who hung in the air looking as if he still wanted to bow, finally realized that he had gotten TalOS’s attention. That was enough to almost die of fear right then and there.

“Clarification is needed. Do you ask why we did this to you? Why did we conquer you?” TalOS pressed him for more and more information.

“Y-yes. Why.”

“It is because you did not take the treats that we presented to you.” TalOS pointed out with a tinge of anger within his voice, “Your people rejected our advances and denied any advance towards unity.”

“B-but that does not make sense my Lord. You could have still left us be!”

TalOS ran the conversation through his mind and processed was was to be said and what was not to be said, “I would say that you would have been conquered by others but you will only ask what of the Imperium and why they do so. You wish to know why we conquer, the core of why we approached you in the first place.”

“Y-yes! Please! Do so and may I tell the people why a god decided to strike us!”

>We did so because you were already mine
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
>Because I can.
>Other
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>>5503848
>>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.

You do not know the greater galaxy and the forces at play, if i had not done this one of my brother would have done sooner or later. Yes, i am but one of many, no god but not quite human either, i can not guarantee that our creator would have left you alone so i had to take action.
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>>5503864
I'm avoiding that explanation of another Primarch would do it. Its a cop-out. The eternal war references Daemons and Xenos.
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>>5503848
>Humanity is stronger united, and the hearts and minds of men can change. Each independent pocket left alone is not only wasted potential resources, but also one that can be turned into a potential threat.
I guess it would be
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
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>>5503848
>>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.

Only united humanity has a chance to surive against forces at play i dream you will never see even in your dreams. You may never believe me, but this is intended to be a mercy.
And make no mistake, i am no god but the servant of one.

>>5503870
Fine, even if it would be true. Then please keep the spirit of not being a god intact, since i think that TaL0S wouldn't appreciate being mistaken for the machine god.
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>>5503848
>Other: Because it is necessary. Because we are a people that have been fragmented for too long. Because as we are now, humanity teeters between the brink of a slow and inevitable decline or a glorious renaissance. Only through unity can we ensure that it is our rebirth that triumphs and not its descent into ruin and oblivion. So we must do what we must, we must do what is necessary, no matter if it is what we would have wanted to or not. Because in the great scheme of it all, what is one planets freedom in the face of total annihilation?
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>>5503848
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
Humanity is going to walk amongst every star and I'm gonna do my best to make sure that happens
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>>5503848
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
Without the resources of your world, the chances of defeating the greatest enemy decrease, this battle is unfortunately necessary.
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>>5503879
*dammit i meant 'hope you will never see even in your dreams'
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>>5503848
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
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>>5503880
>support
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>Other: The galaxy has several forces that would match or exceed the the one that has laid low your civilization. You had nothing to bring to the table besides resources and bodies. If left alone your isolationist tendencies would have gotten even worse. Ultimately you would have been eaten or subverted by another advanced force. Xenos or worse. I was here, now, and unwilling to let your people become food or turned into a dagger to be used on our backs. As grim as your fate is now, you have the guarantee of the mechanicum that your people will live to fight. I regret that things turned out like this. Had you joined you would have kept a good part of your autonomy as well as the ability to chart your own path within the federation. In time you will see what your fate would have been as it plays out across the galaxy. Welcome to the Great Crusade... Governor.
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>>5503804
>I just hope this doesn't turn into a guerrilla war for decades after all these proud people have withstood several invasions in the last millennia.
We are avoiding that by scattering the entire population across the stars and putting loyal citizens in aren't we?
Frankly we could also avoid that by servitorizing the lot of them.

There's a reason there are no significant German resistance in Konigsberg anymore. Simply remove the population that can cause such a problem.
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>>5503848
>You are but one casualty in an eternal war.
Better for them to be at the mercies of the Mechanicus, rather than that of filthy xenos
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>>5503880
>>5504000
>>Support
Ultimately I feel these fit in with the vibe of the 'eternal war against greater threats', but they are worth mentioning.
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>>5503848
>Other. Unity is the goal. When Humanity were united entire universe bowed to our whims. Long time such thing were thought to be impossible to achieve again. But now as warp storms have receded it is possible.. Your pleads for freedom and isolation while entirely in nature of humanity leaves glaring weakness in the Unity that can be achieved. Weakness that other forces will exploit so that humanity will never achieve greatness it once had. If we want to win this race for power then sacrifices must be made. We will be whole, again. I will make us whole, again! Whether you like it or not.
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>>5503844
What a mess these people were. No significant technological advantage or trump card, no serious capital defenses, and even their leader just up and shot himself. Did they seriously expect anything else.

At least places like Duulath could rely that they had mech armor on par were space marines and even their elderly king dying of old age lifted his knife eye to eye with Lion el'jonson.

Liberating them from stupidity was a necessity. Mercifully for them they also showed now real malice.
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>>5503848
>You are a casualty of an eternal war.

Yes, you're also my property, in my space, but. . that's not really why we are building the federation.

Also, not to bring up a poor subject but. . Yeah, I don't think these are the terrifying Vietnamese esque freedom fighters you were expecting Logic.
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>>5504496
I mean, even if we did somehow find and piss off proto-catachan, I'm not in the least bit worried.
In between:
>Mass relocation of the entire planetary populace, thereby obliterating their recruiting base, while flooding the planet with loyalist supports
>Our superior scanning technologies for detecting underground traps. Orbital stations to deliver deep cavern busting orbital strikes
>The ability to convert this into a Knight World, thereby allowing our Knights to suppress a peasant population
>The use of mass drone warfare to scour the planetside and underground caves
>Even the conversion of local resistance fighters into tech-thralls to turn against their own comrades

A conventional human population wouldn't stand a chance. Just think what happened to all the Native American resistance fighters when you just massively swell the landscape to a different ethnic base while simultaneously depopulating the locals.

https://youtu.be/f70nhmqT_ls
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>>5504125
Nano usually guerrillas tend to hide in the most inhospitable regions of a nation, dispersing the population only affects those who surrender, those who want to continue the fight would not be so easy to corner. After all planets are pretty big places.

>>5504496
I realized this, which leaves me
with a question, anon said that this world has withstood several waaagh for centuries.
Was he lying or are these the luckiest humans in the galaxy?
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>>5504848
Both. The more time goes on the less likely civs are hit by invaders due to warp lanes. These folk faced smaller Waaaghs compared to Dutonis.
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>>5504858
That explains it all, they faced enough resistance to gain trust but not enough to deserve that trust.
>Poor bastards...
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>>5504880
Confidence, I meant confidence. I'm tired bro.
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>>5504848
>dispersing the population only affects those who surrender
You'd be surprised how easy it is to get an entire planet to surrender en masse when faced with a legion of super-soldiers, killer robots and other horrific giant monstrosities attacking from the sky and making an incredible show of force.

Once you have dispersed them, the remaining holdouts are in fact, quite easy to corner once you attain a significant and total advantage. Guerilla's are only able to hold out in so long as they are able to be supplied and capable of fighting, just as the Cong were only able to fight with a secure North Vietnam and supplies from their communist allies.

But you cannot mount a significant resistance by living only in the most inhospitable regions of a nation. If your enemy has secured in completeness every center of industry, every region of agriculture, and fills the region with a ridiculous numerical advantage you aren't going to be some glorious guerilla fighters but well, sad outcast cavemen. Caves which can, of course, still be surrounded and scoured in many different kinds of creative ways.

Whether a big place or a small place if you are outnumbered 10 to 1, with no way to produce significant amounts of food or arms that can't easily be detected and obliterated from existence, you're going to have a bad time.

This isn't even remotely taking into account the sheer differences in technology.

I tell you that the modern day native americans living in reservations have a better chance vs the entire rest of the the world back than these people will their planet, because the level of numerical disadvantage and technological advantage they would face would be less than these people against the Federal Empire of Lucius. Because at least they wouldn't have to deal with gigantic fortress bastions of Knights, space marine and acillian suppression teams, an functional orbital space station with shuttles and ion cannons, swarms of Mechanicum machines able to endure environments even harsher than human beings. It's like trying to fight Skynet if Skynet were also backed up by an enourmous migration effort of a multi-planetary society and super soldiers and a whole house of Knights.
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>>5505057
Oh, and that left out one more thing.

All of this effort would be directed by a Primarch, one that personally arrived and was quite ticked off and has shown to be really keen on his horde getting into line.

That's probably more significant than all the rest, given Primarchs were built to conquer whole worlds and 19/20 of them were capable of doing so. Except Angron.
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You are but one casualty
>>5503864
>>5503879
>>5503878
>>5503883
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>>5504192
>>5504496

Write in basically being the above
>>5503880
>>5503910
>>5504239

Governorship...
>>5504000
>>5504212

I'm not gonna add governship to this post, since its obvious everyone agrees with draining the area of its native population 'Trail of Tears' style. Hell, its worse than that but they are just one casualty.
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>>5505057

An all-out war campaign would cause unnecessary damage to the planet and drastically decrease the number of people, or tools, recoverable after the conflict.
In addition to losing a few weeks of time in the process.

Building a space station around this world would be the biggest waste of time in the history of the empire. I know this was an example of the difference in strength but it is also a great example of overkill.
Nano QM confirmed that this world hasn't seen a real invasion in decades maybe centuries. My plan to pulverize the world's largest mountain using the black fortress would be the quickest and most painless way to achieve the goal.
My point is not that we could be beaten here, my point is that there are better ways to achieve our goals. If you could conquer the world without killing so many people, wouldn't that be better?

Look, I want to make one thing very clear, I'm the guy who will always vote saying that throwing a metal rod from the planet's orbit would be the best solution for any problem. But I refuse to treat humans like this, if there is a way to minimize human loss in any conflict I will support it. Because I believe in the words Tal0S said to that doll. I believe we can leave worlds much better off than we found them, I believe a cultist is capable of having a soul.
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>>5505101
One would note the populace is going to be fucked over. There won't be much of a need to set up defenses since thats the case except for a Knight Stronghold.
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>>5505126

What? Seriously, I'm asking because I didn't understand the sentence.
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>>5505101
>An all-out war campaign would cause unnecessary damage to the planet and drastically decrease the number of people, or tools, recoverable after the conflict.
Depends on the methods you use imo. I feel like, given our efforts were to capture as many people alive, we've minimized casualties quite considerably. Even their ships were disabled not destroyed, the crews captured.

We've already won the war campaign, now comes the occupation. As for losing a few weeks of time, if anything we've gained whatever amount of time it would have took in the lengthy "destabilization" process. Potentially even spared many lives that would have been lost in a massive civil war.

Besides, the growth of the planet will come far less from what we recover from these people and more from what we invest and construct on this world. We could have completed devastated it to rubble and rebuilt it better and stronger than before, us being conservative was just a nice cost efficient bonus.

>Building a space station around this world would be the biggest waste of time
Every planet has to have a spaceport. A planet without a spaceport contributes nothing to our empire, because you won't be able to ship any tithes or recruits to and fro.

>If you could conquer the world without killing so many people, wouldn't that be better?
My thinking is that civil wars are messy, and could result in just as much if not more local loss of life, damage to infrastructure, and the economy than a quick and overwhelming campaign conducted by super soldiers to the effect of capturing the location intact. Particularly when you are able to deploy and use large scale sci-fi human collection methods.

>I believe we can leave worlds much better off than we found them
Whatever the result, we are going to leave this world better off than we found it. Sure it may have fewer or even none of the natives it had, but it will have a large loyal denizen base and contribute to our empire. The world will be better, but we said nothing to the effect of it having to have the same population it had before. Think of it as how America may not be a nation full of the original natives and instead swollen with european immigrants, but it is much more advanced and was able to become a power capable of influencing world wars for good.
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>>5505138

A space station with a giant cannon is not the same thing as a factory in a vacuum. Nano do you have a fatishe for killing or torturing peasants using super advanced weapons?

I'm starting to think you need to start a quest about the dark eldar.
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>>5505146
I'm confused, why giant death laser? A space port is pretty reasonable even if its just a small one.
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>>5505153
I was just thinking regular space station grade ion batteries. Whatever is strong enough to defend against enemy ships and pirates is likely big enough to penetrate deep bunkers and blast cities anyway. Nothing exterminatus grade, just your regular old "this is Squad Terminus requesting Ion Strike on these coordinates."

Pic related would be an extremely light ion strike
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>>5505158
Have you considered what might happen if the enemy gets a hold of such a weapon? Planets like these will not be heavily protected with naval assets. It would be better to have ground assets which can defend against Orbital Strikes from the ground.

I reference Terra Invicta again for this concept.
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>>5505153

"an functional orbital space station with shuttles and ion cannons".
Nano's words, not mine. By the way, why does a giant farm need a space station? Wouldn't a spaceport on the planet be enough?

Speaking like that, I get the idea that this world will produce ships made of rice straw.
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>>5505165
I think the two of you are complaining over definitions. Space Port and Station are very much inter-changable between one another. It makes sense to give the port some protections seen in games like Stellaris so that basic pirates cannot siege a system, however more than that is situational.
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>>5505166
>Anons arguing while agreeing
The natural order has been restored
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>>5505168
it is the way of 4chan
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TalOS looked upon the man with a clinical eye. He did not need to think much about the matter itself, but it was the presentation of his answer which was the most pressing issue. What he said will become the philosophy of the Federation. A Casus Belli which shall be struck out against numerous worlds which will think just like this one.

“The reason that I struck you was because you are one casualty upon the journey of unity.” TalOS declared as he focused sharply upon the fellow.

Speaking those words the two Astartes who were carrying him spun around and presented their man before TalOS. It was done in such a way that the man was standing before TalOS, basking in the full glory that was the Fabricator General and their Father.

They wanted this man to know TalOS’s answer. They also wanted to know as well.

“W-we are just one casualty?” Fear quaked through his voice as he starred at TalOS in horror, “You see us as rodents!?”

“That is a comparable observation which I will not support. I see you as mankind.” The Dragon allowed his weight of words to be pressed down upon the man, “You are as flesh and blood a human as myself. Deviation between your genome and that of a standard human are within the acceptable boundaries that were set by the Genetors of Mars. You and your people are ideal forms of mankind.”

The man before him, who was likely just a simple politician or bureaucracy which served a mediocre life, could not comprehend the truth of the matter before him. To him TalOS felt the man was look at two worlds thinking that one cannot be compatible with the other.

After all, how can someone wreck so much destruction upon his fellow only to still see them as human. TalOS knew even in the minds of a few brothers there are some that would see traitors or foolish humans as below their subservient counterparts.

TalOS did not see them as such because they are that. Yes he does see them as Pegan to his Religion, fools who do not follow the Machine God and his Saints. Genetically they were human and with work they can become anything a human can. It was an understanding that TalOS had.
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The two of them stared at one another as the man still did not fully comprehend what was happening. Runtime errors like this can happen within mankind and sadly the ritual of reactivation cannot resolve this issue.

What needed to be done to a human was changing their mind to another item. To give them new information lest they fall into insanity of a logic error.

Such errors are the bane of Tech Priests. Mortals cannot comprehend such things but TalOS never had enough fingers to count how many of his brothers and sisters died to their world changing so rapidly.

“Your planet is but a piece in the grand scheme of the cosmos. Beyond the border of the Federation is the Imperium and Mechanicum, both of which will be happy to wipe out your people for the prospect of integration. It would have been in the same manner as today, with some variations depending on which of my Brothers were chosen.”

The man’s eyes snapped upon TalOS but the Primarch could tell they were hollow. Now TalOS spoke to his people, which through them any other planet foolish enough to have this fate.

“Beyond those borders are mysteries beyond our comprehension. Xenos such as the Ork prowell the region looking for fresh metal for their war engines, while other races will convent your very souls for their Warp-Sorcery. You are a minor casualty because there are entire wars that are being fought or to be fought over entire sectors of space we have yet encountered. Horrors that even I, a creation of the Emperor and Fabricator General, cannot fathom to conceptualize.” TalOS leaned into his next words to put in the finishing blow, “These days are of unification, but they are also in preparation. In time before it was the Men of Iron who struck out against us in an attempt to eradicate mankind. They will not be the last.”

TalOS noticed that as he spoke sense was returning to the man. TalOS knew that the man was no longer with them and was instead being tortured by the daemons of his own imagination. Fears from beyond the veil of reality were throwing themselves at him in an attempt to break his spirit and eat his soul.

+Take him to the Blackstone Fortress.+ TalOS declared as he hated seeing a man reduced to such a state, +His mind must be dulled before sense can be returned. We will need him to secure the planet.+

+Understood Father.+ The Astartes said as the two turned around and left his presence.
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The battle for the planet was not long after that. Many governors who had controlled cities were raising their flags in surrender upon hearing that the Capital was taken over by the Mechanicum. Waves of men attempted to surrender to the Mechanicum as morale among them crumble to dust.

The reasoning was simple, what were they fighting for? Whatever government they had before was eliminated from whatever long history it might have possessed. Best to throw themselves at the mercy of the Mechanicum in hopes that they will be spared a meaningless death.

Much to their surprise they found that this worked. Any who did not possess a weapon found their lives spared as Skitarii began picking up their weapons to be thrown into the transports. Vulture like servitors scoured the battlefield for the last pieces of resistance along with the Skysterylizors to burn whatever pieces of resistance laid above the ground floor.

Those who ran into the country side to keep up the fight, however few they were, found themselves quickly to be the sport of hunters. Knights, whose machines could cross almost any terrain feature without fear, quickly ran down those who were both on foot and in vehicle with mighty chainswords and claws.

Those who were in areas the Knights could not reach found their locations compromised by atmospheric Omnisex systems. Upon discovery their locations were flooded with Astartes who thrived in the close combat that they were found in.

All in all the planet did not last any longer against the Mechanicum than any other foe. Those who were still on the planet found that the hulls of Mechanicum Craft were spacious enough to house millions of their kindred in a sedated state of senselessness. Crammed Men and Women were locked into chains and forced into evenly stacked shelves lined in the thousands. They were all fed a paste that was injected directly into their body, keeping them fed with nutrients while not having to use defecate.

Using this method the planet was quickly depopulated of its people. If there was any resistance left on the planet their death would be guaranteed when the Terraforming crews arrived at the planet to begin its restructuring.

Those who came from this planet will quickly find themselves distributed across the Federation as new fodder for manufactoriums or Servitors. Their lives will be harsh, but nothing can be done about that. Where the adults were treated as they should, the children were given chances that few ever wished for. They were either used to help swell the stock of Proelitor, or indoctrinated into the Scholas that populated the Federation.
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TalOS’s domination of the planet did not do much to his ultimate position, but it did make a statement of influence politically. Those among the Federation who started to see TalOS as a civil leader were quickly corrected at the sheer mechanical brutality that TalOS turned a civilization into its component pieces. Such was the reason some minor requests being made of him as of late decreased in amount.

TalOS did not mind these requests as many of them did not even take a second of his time. Unlike others who need to take a minute or two to write down their thoughts or instruct someone to take care of it, TalOS was more than able to take care of the affairs of his planetary governors. For him it was only ten seconds worth of thought on something that only needed his cursory approval on something he only had say in because they wanted to check all their fellows.

The Fabricator General might have a small regret now the more he thinks about it, but there was nothing he could do about it.

These requests were processed in a single session, roughly ten minutes worth, every day when he could get to them. Such an amount of time fluctuates between the frequencies but TalOS never took more than half an hour’s time to finish them all.

It was during this time that TalOS noticed a message which was slightly off. He studied it within his mind’s eye seeing that it was a direct message from Terra itself. Unlike many of the many messages from Terra though, TalOS saw that this one did not bare any psychic marker of it being from the Sigillite.

So TalOS looked upon the components which were scribed into the message by machine-slaved men who were listening to the madden ramblings of Astropaths.

TalOS,

We have only met once upon Terra within the Libraries, so short was this time that you might have forgotten me. I, Ahzek Arhiman, ask that you come to Terra to save my Legion from blight.

I offer you all that I can, even my eternal soul, but help us.


A Tech Priest does not forget fellow seekers in knowledge, Ahzek.

>Go to terra to help the 15th
>They will simply suffer silently.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Time to put our Genetor skills to the test
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th

We are needed and so we must go, it is, after all, only logical.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Honestly I was expecting it to be Malcador who would request assistance on the 15th's behalf.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
"Dear Nephew
Yeh
-Sent from my Fedphone"
Also I'm hoping Talos becomes a calmness in the Warp by the transitive property of spending so much time barehanding Blackstone
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>>5505217

>Go to terra to help the 15th.
Do we have enough power to change fate itself?
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>>5505216
>Omnisex
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>>5505217
>>Go to terra to help the 15th
Fiiiiiiine let's go... only to make yet another primarch indebted to us bwahaha
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>>5505364
at the very least it's counting a Magnus's gift
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>>5505286
Why calm the warp when you can kill it instead?
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Then let us go we must help our dear nephew
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Wow. This will either make magnus an Ally or it will be useless as we autistically tell him magic is bad hur dur.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
This will be an interesting exercise of TalOS intelligence. Neither the Emperor, nor Malcador could figure out a way to stop the Fleshchange if that is what we will encounter. Will he succeed where they could not?

>>5505389
>>5505376
While it affected the psykers among the Thousand Sons more, it also affected the non-psykers. Wards of protection, meditation and control, and even simply just avoiding the use of warp powers did nothing to stop it. Sometimes it happened so fast, especially with use of psyker powers, other times it was slow, a crawling beneath the skin, an extra tentacle.

I think that slow process will be where TalOS will try to determine what is going on. My guess? Well, obviously the warp changes stuff. More in tune to the warp you are, more likely to mutate. If we encounter one of the slow change ones, and send them to Xana to see if depriving them of warp connection stops the change in its tracts, that would support the theory.

If it still happens even when cut off from the warp with blanks, might be the warp has irrevocably changed their DNA into a ticking time bomb. Each change so unique and different no one cure could fix it. But maybe, just maybe even then, if we studied nanites and black blood I bet we could try something where they could attempt to correct the cellular change at the genetic level.

All just guesses, seems we'll have to find out when we get there.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Doing so will secure us their admiration, which in turn will reach Magnus' ears when he is found, for better or worse (hopefully better)
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>>5505217
>They will simply suffer silently.

Ahahaha, there's no way that Magnus will aprove at all with the cure that TalOS will present to his sons: "It's warp base affliction? Let's cut them from the warp!"

This option is chosen because it will never win, just from how it is constructed, like seriously QM? You're not even trying to hide that you want the first option. Maybe then skip this vote bullshit and go straight for the update? ^o^
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>>5505413
Technically the decision will be up to Ahzek Ahriman as Praetor of the 15th Legion to decide if he wants whatever TalOS will offer.
Since we are in Terra and are loyal to Malcador, i'd hope TalOS would do the responsible thing and let him in or at least present his proposal to him too, for Uncle and the Emperor to approve or veto.

I hope we never encounter a "You should have told us first!" moment with Malcador ever. TalOS native language is binaric, so the importance of clear communication should be a virtue to him and to his sons when they do experiments.
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>>5505413
then he can be pissed after he's found.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
>>5505413
I want to do this BECAUSE it will piss off Magnus.
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It's funny cause Magnus the Red is literally the very next Primarch to be found.

After that will be word of the Iron 4th's "Liberation of Incaladion" and how they erm, did it the hard way through bloody attrition for no sensible reason. Proving that really it wasn't just Perturabo but there was something inherent in those guys. At least we are sensible, we make Servitor-Thralls do all of that nonsense.

Then the discovery of Xana, but we already did that early thankfully.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Cool
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>>5505217
>Go and help the 15th
As an uncle, it's about family.
As a FG, this is politics.
As a tech priest? GLORIOUS INFORMATION
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>>5505413
ngl he makes a good point. Presenting a good vote is hard and it HAS to have multiple valid options that lead to something.
First option leads to going to help the thousand sons. The second option leads to... ¿¿¿??? Okay, we don't go but what do we do instead.

But fuck that let's go to the golden planet YEEEHAAW
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Maybe instead of going to the Terra the second option should be like go tinker with time manipulation shit or research something for example?
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>>5505607
This decision is pretty cut and dry. While you are right that time being used here can be used somewhere else I know these people.
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>>5505607
We need to severe our connection to unlock our powers, and that will probably come when QM has us explore the Ygma Monolith as the 2nd Primarch did in canon.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
We should probably inform malcador, the emperor, and magnus that we are doing this or the results
I hope we get cool magnus with two eyes
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Likely the Emperor as we speak is on the Bucephalus having psychic chats with Magnus as he makes his way towards prospero.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
Time to throw a wrench into the shitsquid's plans
We gotta consult with Malcador if we find out the real reason whats wrong with them.
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Would Magnus ever accept acillian-like marines made from his DNA?

Our Lucian brand space marines do not suffer the same psychic connection and flaw that the Emperor built into the astartes, but still function just as well in the role of super soldier. It's the astartes we have to fix.
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>>5505754
I wouldn't feel comfortable with anyone not of our order getting full access to our Federation copyrighted formula. So unless he'd be okay with getting Marines produced by the servants of another brother, I doubt it.
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>>5505217
>Go to terra to help the 15th
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>>5505217
>Go help a brotha' out
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When TalOS sent a message back to his uncle and the man who controlled Terra, there was a deep confusion that lasted a week’s worth of communication. Such communication seemed to center around TalOS’s knowledge of the 15th Legion’s blight and why he had made the decision to arrive upon Terra.

When the evidence showing the communication from Ahriman was sent to the Sigillite, an understanding was reached between the two sides. With an invitation from Malcador to make it official, TalOS crossed the galaxy from one end to another to strike at the cradle of humanity.

TalOS had to ponder as he walked off the aircraft if he was the brother who stepped upon Terra the most. Of course TalOS could not say anything about Alpharius, but he knew that all of his other kin were off fighting a galactic war when they were discovered on their respective worlds.

The air was cold, as it always was when one walked upon the ancient mountain range. Small particles of snow drifted past TalOS’s face, a sign of the planet’s water reserves still locked within the glacial tops of the range. Malcador stood before TalOS flanked by two Custodian Guards as TalOS was flanked by his own elites.

“TalOS, I have not been looking forward to this day.” the Sigillite admitted first and foremost as he waved the Primarch to his side, “But there is no reason to hide it from you anymore. What I show you shall not be revealed to the Mechanicum for they will question the Imperium’s integrity.”

“I am a keeper of many secrets, Malcador. I can hold one more.” TalOS told the Sigillite as he walked to the man’s side, “Let us get inside first. Your body cannot sustain itself in this cold.”

A small chuckle came from the old man as he nodded his head, “Every year that goes by it gets colder.”

With that a subtle clinking of the staff was sounded as the two of them crossed the threshold into the palace. TalOS noted that the man next to him seemed to rely upon the staff just that little bit more.

His existence was likely one maintained through sorcery and science the likes of which TalOS might never see. He will need to extend to his uncle the ways of the machine, but the Primarch suspected the Sigillite knew something that he as of yet did not. Maybe that was the reason he did not sustain his youth in the same manner he did so thousands of other years.
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The two of them traveled about the place through a series of secret passages and tunnels that TalOS did not even realize existed. When TalOS thought back to his sons he quickly realized they were by far more in the open than whatever realm they were now entering.

The Imperium’s dark secret, one of their dark secrets.

TalOS knew for a fact that this was only one of them.

They came into a massive chamber which appeared to be filled with so many wards that it places the Astronomicon’s defenses to shame. If TalOS was correct they were in one of the chambers which laid below the Astronomicon, meaning that whatever was here was being combated by the presence of such a powerful tool.

Malcador put in a series of codes that told the Machine Spirit of a chamber door to let them through, and in doing so TalOS saw something he did not want to see.

About the chamber were hundreds of stasis chambers. Each and every one of them were arranged neatly row by row as if this was some sort of tomb dedicated to an Emperor’s army. They got closer, close enough for the Primarch to see what was within the container.

“Malcador…” TalOS’s felt his voice shaking as he felt terror creep into his bones, “Why is a Warp Abomination made from the flesh of an Astartes.”

“Because that is their curse to bear.” Malcador announced as he placed a hand above the sarcophagus, “This is the Flesh Change, a curse which infected the Fifteenth Legion Thousand Sons roughly twenty five years ago. By the time you became part of the Great Crusade they were locked away only to be used when need was absolute.”

TalOS stared at the abomination that was sitting within the time-coffin before him. The creature was no longer that of a man but a series of feathers and beaks that were arranged in a meaningless style that only hinted towards insanity. There was a good chunk of the body which was still man, but the only accessory that was permitted for him to remain was a pendant around the Marine’s neck.

“They have been inflicted by our great enemy.” Were the first words TalOS said to describe the condition these Astartes were suffering, “I have seen Psykers from other races become afflicted like these men. How does it have such a grip upon them?”

“We have been trying to determine that for some time.” Malcador said as he gave a long sorrowful sigh while looking up towards another, “There you are, Ahriman.”
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The Astartes which TalOS looked upon was not the same man that TalOS had met several years ago. He was a man worn and weathered through worry and stress to the point that it would make a person question the mortality of his genome. TalOS knew that they were not in fact immortal but never should time have afflicted an Astartes of Ahriman’s age.

His eyes were darkened with worry with his figure more gaunt from malnutrition. TalOS knew that this man should not have been suffering effects like these unless his mind was coming close to ruin. The Fabricator General reasoned it was, as he had obviously broken a covenant between the Fifteenth Legion and Malcador for his appearance.

As he looked upon TalOS, Ahriman's worry seemed to ebb away in an instant, “P-F-Fabricator General! You came!”

TalOS gave the Astartes a solemn nod as he took a glace at the operation around him, “Is this what you want me to save your Legion from?”

The man before TalOS looked to be on the verge of crying his heart out. He took a few solemn steps forward before looking at the numerous hideous forms that were around them. As if they were a bane to him Ahriman flinched backwards.

It was during this movement that TalOS saw a talisman appear in his robes.

TalOS knew in that instant, “This man who I stand next to is the Brother you spoke of.”

Awe struck Ahriman, “You… yes you could remember that if you remembered me. Never shall I doubt a Primarch and his ability.”

“When was the last time you have had rest or sleep?” TalOS questioned the Astartes as he made a few steps forward.

“F-five months. I stopped sleeping when Ohrmuzd caught the Flesh-Change. I cannot sleep when he is like that, and I cannot leave my guard down for even a moment!” Declared the Astartes as he looked closer to a beggar than a noble warrior, “We are so few now Uncle, I and only a few hundred others can walk without assistance.”
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As he heard those words TalOS’s eyes went towards Malcador, “Has my creator looked into this?”

“The Emperor has, and has tried to fix it at a genetic level. After him the greatest minds of both Mars and Terra have tried to solve this issue and none have prevailed in doing so.” Those were the words spoken by Malcador. TalOS knew better though.

He knew that Malcador saw this as a supernatural issue. An issue that was caused by some warp entity which had sank its claws into the flesh of the Thousand Sons. For one to influence them even here TalOS would have previously described it as a God of some manner.

“I will try to fix it. There might be secrets that I know of that my creator passed upon. With your permission Malcador.” TalOS declared as he turned towards the Sigillite.

Malcador looked upon TalOS in an unspoken question. He wanted to know if TalOS would still try even if he knew the issue was based from the Warp. Such a question was something that TalOS knew the answer to.

He would try. If the science of the Machine God did not have victory against the Warp here than what hopes did they have in the future?

Thus TalOS kept his ground and the Sigillite knew the answer. He was old enough after all to know what a man was thinking even if he could not read his mind. Doubly so when he can mold this skill through checking with his psychic power.

“Do what you can TalOS.”

“Thank you.” TalOS said to the Sigillite as he turned towards Ahriman.

The Primarch knew this man might be an asset, but he was strung thin. If he continues at this rate he will destroy his own body. Thus TalOS needed to make a decision on how he should be treated first.

>Go and Sleep, now.
>Take this pendant and rest
>We start work now.
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
Tell him something like he needs to be prepared for the next part so it would help his brother if he rested and recovered
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
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>>5505928
QM, could we get a clarification of the second vote please?

Cause it can be read as giving up on Ahriman's brother or giving him a blackstone amulet, the distinction is important.
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>>5506003
I'm pretty sure is giving a blackstone pendant to Ahriman so he can rest without warp fuckery, since he has been working for five months non-stop
1 is telling him to rest.
2 is telling him to rest but with the pendant
3 is keeping him overworked
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>>5506008
Thats why i asked, it does NOT mention the blackstone part and previously the story mentioned the brothers pendant explicitly.
I do hope for it to be blackstone, but telling him to give up on his brother is not somethig i want to force on him while he is out of his mind due to lack of sleep.
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>>5506008
hes correct
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>>5505928
>>Take this pendant and rest

>>5506013
Good, thank you.
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest.
We have extensive studies in this area with a little perseverance and ironically Faith, I believe that the situation can at least be stabilized.
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>>5505928
>Pendant, Rest

That's an order, you're ineffecive and worthless run ragged.
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>>Other: The pendant could damage his warp connection. we shall instead assign a pair of Navigators+Candles to stand vigil upon this exhausted son of Magnus.
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>>5505924
>TalOS had to ponder as he walked off the aircraft if he was the brother who stepped upon Terra the most.
Vulkan should still be here chilling on earth and learning from Malcador and the Emperor iirc, he spent years here while we mostly just come to visit. As well as studying on Mars and hanging out with Ferrus when he visits. He doesn't get reunited with his legion until much later when they are in dire need.
But it's possible TalOS isn't aware of that.
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
We know that the flesh change is because of the blue mollusc, so might as well have him feel the pull of the evil god less
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
Tzeentch may be able to penetrate the Emperor's giant psychic wall, but maybe just a bit of our negatively charged blackstone should suffice to cut off what's left.

If it turns positive, then we know this will not be so easy.
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>>5505619
>2nd Primarch did in canon
the 2nd primarch doesn't exist in canon
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>>5505928
Wait wait wait, you anons are voting that T4L0S will REMOVE HIS BLACKSTONE PENDANT???? This is such a... touching moment. One so full of care and consideration.

I wonder tho, will he resist the effects of the stone? He is amazing and he will, but with him being so debilitated I fear his soul will be injured... but this WILL be rest for his being and that is worth it. How will T4L0S concentrate at all as soon as he starts to listen the cachophony of the warp, dunno.

>Take this pendant and rest
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>>5506333
of course the lost Primarch's exist in canon. we just know very little about them. in this case we know one of the lost primarch did lead an expedition to the Ygma Monolith

"Fulgrim made mention of it, once. Apparently one of the two Forgotten Ones was said to have led an expedition to its black heart, in the early centuries of the Great Crusade. Though why he was out this far, and what he might’ve found, was never recorded.’ He frowned. ‘Probably for the best. The galaxy has devils enough without letting out whatever resides there"- Fabius Bile: Clonelord
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest

FUCK YOU tZEENTCH, YOU NEEEEERRRRDDDD!
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>>5505928
>Take this pendant and rest
Everyone needs sleep. Literally. Cawl slept even though he had multiple brains to turn off and on. Custodes have sleeping quarters. Rogal Dorn had rings in his eyes from lack of sleep during the siege. In Dark Heresy "the flesh is weak" trait removes the need to breathe, let's one be in the vacuum of space, and makes you immune to psychic mind altering effects. But it doesnt remove sleep.

The only known human that never needed sleep again was the reborn Guilliman in the armor of fate. He doesnt know why, because he used to need sleep before being killed by fulgrim. So even normal primarchs need sleep.
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>>5506347
The lost Primarchs also had a severe problem with their Geneseed which is why one of the other Primarchs kept a tight lid on what was going on with his Legion's Geneseed because he was afraid of getting the same treatment. They were also around up to the Rangdan Crusade when their survivors were mindwiped and forced to join the Ultramarines who adopt all the lost Astartes.
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>>5506333
This one is most correct. Do not assume that it will happen.
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>>5507137
Awww, that's always a fun part of a lost primarch quest.

And if fits so well given our proclivity to the Dragon. It might even be Him that directs us there.

Hope we could at least gain the opportunity.
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There was a sense of horror that TalOS felt when he looked upon Ahriman. The realization of what was happening to these nephews of his and the fear they must always experience. If he was to most closely relate the idea of it, TalOS would see this Flesh Change as a warp bound disease that was struck upon the children of the fifteenth son.

Seeing as it was a Warp based disease TalOS reached over and pulled the pendant from his neck. Malcador focused upon the item as TalOS kneeled down to Ahriman’s height and presented him the pendant.

“What I am to give you is a material known as Blackstone. It is Anathema to the Warp and all the pains which come from it.” TalOS said as he wrapped it around Ahriman’s neck, “It will protect you from the Flesh Change for however long you wear it. Whatever you do, do not remove it unless we tell you the Flesh Change is cured.”

“It… hurts to look at.” The Psyker admitted as he studied the item for a moment, “But… can you give it to my brother? Could it stop the progression of the disease?”

The Primarch shook his head at such kind words, “I am afraid that if we placed this upon him the issue will only be worse. He is of two worlds now, it will kill him.”

Slowly and with great sorrow Ahriman reached over and accepted the amulet. He looked upon it closely before placing it around his neck. TalOS could see him shiver with pain before a weight was taken off his broad shoulders. The two of them looked at one another as Ahriman surely realized the truth of the matter.

“You must sleep like all things. Even Machine Spirits require rest to prevent insanity from clouding their circuits.”

“I… I thank you.” Ahriman said as he soon glided through the archway as a tired old man.

A rhythmic tap of a staff hit the ground to snare the attention of TalOS away from the walkway that Ahriman disappeared before. Malcador looked upon TalOS with solemn eyes as he was now privy to exactly what TalOS was hearing.

“I heard from Xana that they are approaching a final result.” The Sigillite announced as he placed weight upon his staff, “You will not suffer much longer.”

“Thank you for informing me of that. It helps the mind.” TalOS said as he was forced to listen to the laughter of a long distant enemy to whom he once waged war against.
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Ahriman found that he had to sleep for several days and nights under the influence of the Susan Membrane in order to recover all the might that he lost these last few months. During this time he had dreams but they were not of the normal kind. Gone were the dreams that plagued the sorcerer with the sights of a red giant or the incineration of his brother.

No, his dreams were of a sense that he could not make real.

They were of past battles where the Psyker had released his might into killing hundreds or the righteous slaughter of mutants on the gulfs of humanity. Of his home upon Terra when he was but a young boy to be inducted into the Marines.

They were all pleasant. The feeling of freedom or the feelings of success when his Legion was first released upon the galaxy. Such pleasantries were but pains that Ahriman did not experience for several years now.

As he sat upon his bed side awaken for the first time in a week, he thought about it.

As a psyker he had learned that dreams were some of the first passages into the warp. The body was left in a state vulnerable against the outside forces which ebbed and flowed outside of time. A normal man might see something in a dream and then years late see something in reality that recalled it. He might be confused why this happened, but Ahriman knew that this was because the man was subtly connected to the Warp.

There have been many times in history where man has seen the future in dreams. It became a trope within their literature because it was so prevalent that it became an accepted idea. With the advent of psykers and now the Creeds of the Imperial Truth, Ahriman knew this to be in fact part of mankind’s Psychic awakening.

These dreams he dreamed this last week was not those of the future. No. They were of a past life which Ahriman served honorably in with all his might at the side of his brother.

He took a moment and held within his hands the amulet which was given to him by TalOS. It felt odd as the item blinded him to the world he always saw things. It was hard to get used to not having his Witch Sight, to understand a man before he even spoke. If it meant his survival though Ahriman was more than willing to wear this Amulet for his entire life, if nothing else than to keep alive the memory of his brother.

But his brother had yet to die, Ahriman still had time to try and save him!
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He wandered the chambers for a little while, seeing a few of his brothers who had the misfortune of being in this chamber of the Imperial Palace. Unlike Ahriman all of his remaining brothers did not want to be this close to this dying brother. The reasoning was simple, that you can feel the flesh under their skins crawl and the warp around them contaminated with the Flesh-Change.

Ahriman knew that if his brothers could, they would run from Terra itself and to the other ends of the galaxy. An Astartes did not hold fear, but the logic of staying on the same planet as the Flesh Change was so irrational that they would gladly throw themselves a great distance from it. And such logic was warranted as Flesh Change afflicted others in groups at a time.

Ahriman remembered the time when his brother caught it. How he could feel the Flesh Change fly through the Warp from his blood brother to him. The Psyker was able to fight it off in the worst contest of strength that Ahriman ever had to endure.

He could not believe that such a fight was possibly won. A week’s paranoia came from Ahriman wondering if something wanted him to win or just to toy with him by taking the life of his brother.

He would never wish this upon his kin and he knew for a fact he will not survive another attack like that again.

He took another moment to look at the amulet which was wrapped around his neck. He knew this was not some arcane trinket for it did not present him any writings or sigils that protected him from the warp. As the Second Primarch TalOS DAV1S informed him it was completely anathema to it. To think that the Mechanicum would have something like this among their archives. He only wondered what they were working on creating at this very moment.

In his heart Ahriman realized there were kindlings of hope now warm within his bosom. Finally after so long there was a chance that victory could be gained. He only wished now he had called upon the Primarch sooner, but he had feared the wrath of Malcador and maybe even that of his own Primarch.

The Flesh Change taking Ohrmuzd was what changed that.

With purpose within his step Ahriman rushed down the chambers now. Excitement beating between his two hearts.
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The chamber which he found the Primarch of the Steel Dragons within was just like any other chamber of the Imperial Palace. It was mostly made of brick formations in a style that valued art more than practicality. That was what he would think if he did not know the ways of the warp as well as he did.

Each and every piece of stonework and art piece which hung upon the walls of this palace was a statement within the warp. It was value that any being, let them be mortal or immortal, would look upon with the statements of value. No other race within the Galaxy would be able to match what was the Imperial Palace in terms of artistry.

This held great meaning within the warp. By creating a valuable place which gleamed across the stars because of its radiant value. Thus it became easier to project the Astronomicon and also amplify the powers of the Emperor himself.

If ever the Imperial Palace and the Throne of the Emperor were used for any other means than Ahriman would fear that day. He could only hope that day never comes lest the Universe fail.

He looked upon the figure of TalOS, the Primarch who came to help him kneeling over the body of a victim to the Flesh Change. Without Witch Sight it was hard for Ahriman to realize it was really him, so dependant was the Psyker upon his powers. It did not help him that the Primarch’s form changed drastically from the last time he had met TalOS, from a lumbering hulk of machines to a creation which appeared to be sculpted by the hands of an artisan.

When he made his approach the Primarch turned a little worse for wear. The Astartes could only imagine what the Primarch was discovering with every cut of the Knife. The man’s mouth opened, and Ahriman realized he was going to get exactly that.

“I have run a few tests of the Flesh Change and I believe it to be bound to the soul of the person. Even when I convert the body into that of a Servitor the human body I implant inside suffers from the Flesh Change within a few hours.” He said as he tapped the body in front of him, “I have looked over the records and found that there have been attempts to attune your brothers to the Astronomicon. All of these attempts, whether inflicted or not, result in them becoming dust.”

TalOS tapped the flesh as he spoke, “I wish I had more experience working on the genestock of the Emperor. Even with my own knowledge it will be hard, and my only wish is that I had more time to work on the Geneseed of my sons. With that in mind…”

>We shall look into genesplicing
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
>Temper with the coding of the geneseed to see if it is a true mutation.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
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>>5507199
>Temper with the coding of the geneseed to see if it is a true mutation.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
With Malcador and Ahriman's blessing of course

In Thief of Revelation the flesh change is outright confirmed to be a Tzeentchian curse. This is an outside force affecting them. Splicing the gene or treating it as a mutation only affects the symptom not the disease. The disease is of an infected soul, which manifests in the flesh.
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>>5507199
>Temper with the coding of the geneseed to see if it is a true mutation.

The flesh change that plagued the 15th started with the soul and was considered the most unstable geneseed of them all due to its strongest connections to the warp of all the Legions. Only the Blood Ravens came anywhere close to that level of psyker activity in their geneseed stocks. Sadly we are not psyker I don't think it's within our capabilities to strike directly at the soul without Necron technology that can actively manipulate souls. I wish I was wrong though that would make this so much easier.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
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>>5507242
>Sadly we are not psyker

You have not been around long enough.
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>>5507199
>>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected.
We will deny the witch so fucking hard... you think the lamps of chiron can give us a hand here?
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>>5507199
>Soul tear
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
Hmm, maybe we could use a semi sacrificial Psyker to find out the "wording" of the curse, 40K (and specifically, The Warp) functions on Narrative, Narrative is just as much a Law as the Motive Force therefore, just as no lock can be made without a key or a circumvention no Curse can be crafted without a solution or suspension.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
This option stuck out to me as entertaining so here it is
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>>5507199
So, we have three options and based upon the information given to us from the update, i will postulate what i think is happening and what a possible solution would be Without being meta about it and using knowledge that TalOS wouldn't have

1. The Flesh Change (Referenced from now on as FC) is most likely not a physical affliction in the astartes template.
Our Creator has personally went over the Astartes who were has undergone FC and could not reverse it or ensure that it wouldn't spread. This then means that the direct efforts of the creator of the genome was unable to find fault in his genetic-coding and could therefore not rectify it. Therefore, it is must likely not a inherent problem arising form the Astartes Template that the 15th legion uses.

2. 15th legion Astartes are turned to dust when linked to the Astronomicon.
This is an unusual reaction to being connected with the Astronomicon, as we have data from previous tries where the diseased Astartes didn't turn to dust, but was rather "burned out" like how a machine would be when exposed to too much power. We can therefore theorize that the process of linking themselves to the Astronomicon has a more psyker based effect than it has upon other Astartes. This makes sense, since the Astartes Template is a mix of physical enhancements, psychological reinforcement/indoctrination and soul manipulation.

3. The FC has all the characteristics of a warp inflicted Mass-Mutation-Event (now named MME), which we have records on.
This lines up with the effects of the FC, since it does not appear to have any material indicators and transforms the inflicted into mutated abominations through some other unknown catalyst. We can therefore hypothesize that it is triggered by some immaterial trigger, possibly linked to the higher number of Psykers in the 15th legion.

4. Non-Astartes biomass is also changed when put into a victim of FC.
This lines up with it being a immaterial infliction, rather than it being something directly related to the Astartes Template or its physical components. To this, FC must be able to recognize when its inflicted victim has been operated on and given additional biomass, since it does not spread outside of its host, but does inflict any material that is added to it. This means that it is a relatively self-contained event and is therefore bounded to its host.


From this, we can hypothesize that when an Astartes of the 15th legion is exposed to a linking with the Astronomicon, they are not burned out, but are rather transmogrified into the dust that has been observed. This then means that it is a purely Psyker based event that occurs and that FC must be purely based in the immaterial. What it also means, is that all of the members of the 15th legion has a latent FC trigger in their souls and that it only activates upon a certain trigger event, which we still do not know what is.
Therefore, any action we take must therefore be done upon the soul.
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>>5507333
>>5507199
It is because of the observations that i vote for:
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected

As it directly goes after what we can confirm as being the infected part of the Astartes and which causes the MME of the FC to occur.
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>>5507333
Excellent observation and genuinely impressive. Great job!
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Could we ask Emps permission to look for Magnus? He's gotta have some connection to the FC.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
Only with permission, and under the strictest guidance from Malcador himself, or the Emperor if he can spare time to help out
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>>5507333
Thank you very much for the excellent quality analysis.

>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected.
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected
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>>5507199
>Maybe we can try to tear off the part of their soul which is infected.

>>5507333
TalOS login by your won account plz ^^
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>>5507431
I have been thinking about what you have said for three hours now and i can't figure out what you mean?!
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>>5507454
ignore the timestamp, i most definitely didn't exagerate when i wrote three hours, it most certainly has been that long.
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>>5507333
I doubt it will change much at this stage, but you have made a mistake. Namely to assume that the emperor would have explored EVERY option to 'resolve the issue' as it has been stated.
He sees the astartes as Legions first and individuals second, their purpose is to be a legion connected to their primarch, this link is one he would not have tried to cut.
The same link we have discovered has to have a genetic component as well as a soul linking connection!
What is the one thing every legionary will have in common? The linking of their genes and soul with their primarch.
The solution might be the same, that if we cut their souls of from their primarch we also solve the FC.

Which btw changes the body by way of the soul, we have seen that the soul is inherently linked to the 'container' and that changes in the body are reflected in the soul covering it. Basically, it changes the soul and the body reacts to match it.
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I mean seriously guys, TaL0S is a genetor and we keep on avoiding gene solutions. We keep putting off the gene related issue with our sons, we changed our body to be more machine only to then result to nanobots to return back to a human form and now we play psycher surgion to solve a gene reltated issue.
One could get the feeling TaL0S isn't very good at his job.
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>>5507480
I feel that we need more experience and data before we gene edit astartes
Lets go make ogryn smarter or something first before accidentally and ironically causing some heresy, ai resurgence, chaos taint
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>>5507483
We made our own astartes, from scratch! TaL0S would be more than capable to edit his sons genes in a way that weakens or outright eliminates the soul link.
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>>5507484
>>5507480
I have full faith and confident in TalOS gene abilities. I believe he is definitely on par with the Emperor, perhaps amplifying the Emperor's own knowledge of the sciences in the same manner that Dorn may be a better defensive master even than Himself.

My concerns of "interfering with the Emperor's plans by editing the geneseed" is also alleviated by the simple fact that Malcador is here in person. If we were to do anything too far, he would step in. Plus we are not doing a mass change to the 15th legion, a good scientist always experiments with a few test subjects and keeps a controlled group.

It's just. . .well, the logic involved here. It *feels* like the solution is related to the soul, given the words of TalOS himself.

Besides, equally impressive a feat to being a Genetor, TalOS has created scientific and empirical evidence of the existence of a soul, even a blanks soul, without having to be a psyker. The Mechanicus may believe it as religous fact, and the psyker know it from anecdotal experience, but only he built a machine that proves "souls are real" to the unititated.

To be able to incise a sickness from souls, that's also an extremely impressive feat in and of itself. Especially given whom we are going to encounter next, Magnus, who for all his psyker abilities could not cure his sons.

I think to best the Psyker Primarch at treating a psychic sickness, while simultaneously disliking but recognizing the importance of the Warp, is a feat in and of itself to rival fixing this at the genetic level.
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>>5507480
You see, the problem is that it's not a gene related issue
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>>5507494
Well. . . not necessarily.

It's possible that genetics plays a role in the soul, a sort of nature vs nurture thing. Consider how our Acillians, who were design by a warp hating TalOS, do not have a psychic connection. But the astartes, designed by the Emperor, do.

The psyker gene and the pariah gene also affect the soul too. There's a reason navigators and nulls breed together.

Maybe it's a chicken and the egg type scenario, but I doubt that genes and souls are completely unrelated.
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>>5507372
If you do a write in and others vote for it.
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I'd be careful about heavily investing in Magnus. The more we do so, the more it will bite us in the ass if we decide not to convince him to stay on the loyalist team. It would just make him a stronger foe.
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>>5507527
I mean, thats the vote that happened earlier. Whether you guys start genuine interactions with Magnus.
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>>5507532
Interactions with the 15th is one thing. Locking in Magnus as our 'Choose your Traitor' option in the long run is another. We still haven't met Perturabo, plus we can still go help Alpharius some more. Even Fulgrim had genuine interactions with Ferrus, but it did not mean he was able to sway Ferrus to his side.
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>>5507527
>>5507532
Honestly, I want to help Ahriman, not Magnus. Maybe we can have part of the thousands sons stays loyalist.
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>>5507535
There's no completely escaping that the Horus Heresy will be a shit sandwhich for everyone involved. No one expects betrayal like that on such a massive scale. Everyone was extremely bitter about how many trusted brothers turned traitor. Like you said, even Ferrus was betrayed by his best friend Fulgrim. TalOS isn't going to escape that some of those he worked with, trusted, even invested in will end up on the side that wants him dead.

I can only hope his paranoia at least lets him make contingency plans for everything, even the most unlikely. If a single space marine Thiel was able to seriously consider how Astarte v Astarte combat would go, even at the cost of censure, and the Iron Warriors are implied to have done simulated Legion vs Legion war simulations, it seems reasonable that TalOS could entertain the idea that however low the chances of a major civil war between Primarchs may be, it never reaches 0%, and have some plan for it locked deep away.

>>5507538
Ahriman's a pretty major character for the Traitor side. Not impossible, but keeping him loyalist while not Magnus would be a very strange scenario. Still, it's a nice idea. The lodges were able to turn some of the loyalist traitors, and there were some loyalists among the traitors who didn't get slaughtered at Istvaan like Loken.
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>>5507540
>d the Iron Warriors are implied to have done simulated Legion vs Legion war simulations [...]
Remember that tine when we stuck our mecha dick into fulgrim and his legion? Yeah good shit
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Tear a Piece of infected soul
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>>5507431

Gene-Coding
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>>5507723
Since the soul tearing wo n can we express that this is a stopgap measure?
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>>5507480
The flesh change has more due to the soul than genes. Even if the 15th Legion has the most unstable geneseed this is due to their Legion having the strongest connection to the Warp due to being a hardcore psyker Legion. So it's an unfair comparison. It is true though that is Legion prefers more cybernetic augmentations vs biomods. Despite him being a Genetor which goes to show his Sons don't always agree with his views of things. Especially since Tal0S actively tinkers with their geneseed while most of his Legion see becoming a cyborg like the Dreadnoughts as the ultimate goal. Funnily enough, is a similar problem that Ferrus will later face with his own Legion who falls in love with cybernetics as well against his own wishes.

>>5507527
I think that isn't much of a concern since Magnus should be the hardest option to prevent going traitor since we prefer Blanks while he loves Psykers. Literally polar opposites. Only you know who would have a bigger grievance since he is also religious.
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“... I believe the issues lie not within the body of the Astartes directly, but the soul itself.” The Primarch propositioned as he looked down upon the cadaver of a corrupted Thousand Son Astartes.

Ahriman felt a small moment’s confusion as he heard those words spoken, “The soul? Then you claim us to be damned men.”

“Damnation is a term used because you think only in the human sense. Machines can suffer just like this with the infection of Data-Cancers and Rewrites that influence the system.” The Primarch gave the metaphor as he finally turned to welcome Ahriman properly, “What we work on today might be similar to issues like those. Where the Spirit of the Thousand Sons has been infected with some kind of contagion that uses vectors between interpersonal connections between members.”

“That… is what occurs.” Admitted the Astartes as he crossed the gap between him and the Primarch, “But what would that mean for the Legion itself? What piece of our framework would need to be changed to make it a reality?”

To that question Ahriman watched TalOS given a small shrug of ignorance, “That is the issue that we are plagued with. We have the tools to study the soul itself but I lack the tools that we require to make any genuine changes. The soul is a complicated thing that lies at the cusp of the Machine God’s own knowledge. It is a new frontier, but one that is plagued with poison and centuries of falsehood laid by those who would do Humanity harm. Do I have your help in this endeavor?”

“My heart and soul are yours, TalOS. Show me how to save my brother.” Ahriman declared as he placed a hand upon his heart.

“You say that but it forgoes the issue itself that many of your remaining brothers will die as a result of our research.” The words of the Primarch stabbed Ahriman in the heart as they were spoken, “They will be willing subjects to our work, but many of those will die.”

“I will not back on my word.” Declared the Astartes as he gripped the amulet, “If I need to give my life to the Flesh Change then I shall throw myself at it.”

“That will not be necessary for your mind is of greater value along with its will.” TalOS declared as he got out a small device, “First we will need to format an idea of what an Astartes’s soul acts like and work from there. Prepare for me a few of your brothers for the examination.”

“Understood!” Exclaimed the Astartes as they began their work.
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A few months went by as the two, along with some help from Malcador, began their examination of the Thousand Sons and the Flesh Change.

As TalOS had summarized the issues of the Flesh Change was tied to the Thousand Sons in the most direct manner it could have been. No other servants of the Imperium had fear of the Flesh Change coming upon them when it occurred so readily within the Thousand Sons themselves.

Thus the focus was on the Thousand Sons. The hard study upon their psyche and the souls in which each of their battle brothers hosted.

The discoveries that were made upon Xana were by far the most helpful when it came to this. Ideas of what a soul was in the past were but falsehood when the soul was now actively studied by the men of their current era. Such technology will always be rare, TalOS Reasoned, for it took one in a thousand different psykers to find a psyker who was compatible with the machine interface that allowed viewing of the soul.

Within the first month of research qualifications were made as images of Thousand Sons were captured and analyzed. These being the Psykers, the Nominal, Psyker Inflicted, and the Inflicted.

Such differences were made because the structure of the soul and the infection varied between each one. A normal Thousand Son had a soul which was enlarge compared to a standard human mortal. This, TalOS explained, was simply the difference between Astartes and Humans which would draw no ire. Psykers, on the other hand, had a bright soul which did not follow their mortal forms. A symptom of being of the Warp.

The next was those infected with the Flesh Change. Studying they saw that the soul, no matter which one shown, was devoid of any human form upon being infected. Their soul would run across the body in lines of mutation as well as mutation as well as more. When the decision was made to allow a terminal patient to fully succumb to the infection they watched as the mutation ultimately chased after the designs that the soul formed.

Thus a discovery was made showing that it was, with no more guesswork, that the Flesh Change was an infection of the soul.

But that was something which was shared between the Legion’s Psykers and other infected.
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Ahriman watched the video a dozen times and a dozen more as he took in the evidence before him. Each and every time he did so the witch gripped the pendant which he was thankful for. He had to watch this many times for if he was not to do so then it would have been in vain and the one who accepted this fate would have done so in vain.

The subject that was standing in the vid was a normal Astartes by any other Legion’s standard. For the Thousand Sons he was an oddity in that he lacked the psychic aptitude that they all enjoyed so many years ago.

Watching the vid, Ahriman would have thought them cursed instead.

The Astartes stood there passively with eyes that were clearly drawn out and a limp that was damning him for future service. The Sargent was a desperate man who found himself in a dying Legion with no war for him to fight in sight. Thus he had agreed to one last battle against the Flesh Change in hopes of bringing their people a future.

As he stood there a victim was brought into view. On the vid that showed the sight of mortals the Astartes had no issues or anything that could be called unusual. In the screen though he was overflowing with the forces of the Warp, his soul sprouting ever more changes.

This was the second Test conducted like this at the suggestion of TalOS. He wanted them to bring a Victim who was originally not a psyker to act as a sort of baseline test. For that test the Sargent stood strong with nothing happening.

When they brought in the second variant of victim in, that is when issues began to come up.

First and most immediately the Witch Sighted Vid showed an aura of power which was not present within the previous Astartes. When the two were closer together this aura seemed to concentrate itself towards the form of their companion.

It was slow and steady, but maybe thanks to the thoughts of the Sargent, he held no resistance as the infection leached into his soul and began to consume it fully. Like the Astartes he was, he stood there without batting an eye as his death was being measured for the sake of science and understanding.

The infection was indeed from one Astartes to another. With their Psykers as vectors for the infection Ahriman had to wonder if he too might be a cause for his brother’s death. He was not battling it yet, but that might have been because TalOS gave him the amulet at just the right time to stop the infection.
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Another day of grueling research to understand the facts that the Thousand Sons suffered greatly for some reason. Recent examinations showed TalOS how the infection spread which made him wonder what could be done about it.

With the soul being what was infected they could try and tear apart the piece of the soul which is infected. This was likely the most reasonable and stop gap measure which TalOS would place upon them. There was a small window in the infection where the Astartes was fighting it which would be able to be employed. What it would do to the Astartes TalOS did not know but he suspected it would wipe out a greater part of their personality and what made them, them.

This was what TalOS wanted to send for a possible examination in Xana. Their research into the soul and Pariahs was something TalOS might be able to employ. Maybe by using a Pariah TalOS could have them eat a piece of the victim in an attempt to stave off the infection. The Blank would have no issues since they were a blank, while the victim will be saved.

This is what TalOS came to the Astropathic Choir of Terra to discuss. When he entered the chambers and informed them that he was here to discuss a message from Xana he was quickly farried from the guest chambers and into a sequestered room of the Psykers.

His wait in the room was not long but was at the very least pleasant. The singing of mankind filled his psycho-sensitive ears instead of the droning laughter or the screams of the warp. He was received by a simple Astropath who did not speak a word and gave him the greatest of bows. He watched as the Telepath took a small needle and inserted it into their hand.

In an instant their eyes widened as psycho-conditioned recall activated, “Fabricator General TalOS DAV1S, I have the honor to inform you that our latest experiment has been a success. Out of fifty Astartes to whom we agreed to testing, we have been blessed with a single success. His name, Sargent Nietzsche, shall be known as the first Pariah Astartes.”

The voice seemed to inflict as the woman continued her unnaturally mechanical tone, “We believe this success was given thought both by machine, other Pariahs, and the willpower of this Astartes. As you are a Princeps with a will that knows no bounds, I believe we can begin your ascension.”

>Continue work on the Thousand Sons
>Travel to Xana
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
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>>5507823
Let me answer some questions before they are asked.
1. No this is not timed. I assume you all will choose this after whatever results are gained from the Thousand Sons.

2. If TalOS does this, he can likely use future abilities of being a Pariah for the Tson problem. The question becomes whether it will be needed after the transformation.
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>>5507823
>>Travel to Xana
So we need a Blank. What should we do but to get the BEST blank?

I do want to give an idea. Current cancer treatment is based on the cancer cells being rather weak. They multiply and force the body to fuel them, but at any deprivation or injury they die.
Radiotherapy and Chemotherapy works by putting the body in huge stress. People SUFFER they survive and the cancer doesn't. One way to treat the soul of the 15th is to excise the mounstruous part but maybe we can torture expose them all to a Blank's aura in hopes they will survive, but the disease won't. For more advanced stages however, we will definitely have to go radical and cut the injury with great margins
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>Head over to Xana with Ahriman

A true weapon against the warp. We shall forge it with Ahriman.
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
Nitchze now has the power to kill god
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
You know I love the Irony that the only way to save the 15th is basically doing what Ahriman did with his Runic Sphess Marines but via blanks instead of Psyker sorcery.
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman.
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
As smart as we may be, Ahriman is a natural and trained psyker, so his insight and observations into immaterial matters would benefit us greatly, possibly pointing out something we have missed
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman.
Be sure to consider giving him some psi-candles and/or quarter him where the astropaths are. Planetside of the Null World could be very uncomfortable for him.

Also at long last, Blank Marines. Time to see what the trick was to making them!
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
Merry Christmas and happy holidays MachineQM, I hope we can give Ahriman and Magnus a great gift this Festag
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>>5507884
MC Is the Psyker too and have enough knowledge of psykerism from the Plastoids he consumed
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>>5508101
That knowledge is more of an outsiders perspective, rather than that of one who deals with warp related matters on a regular and intimate basis
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>>5507842
There's still need of surgery after cancer become operable again.

But I would vote against Ascension to blankness right now, we just need to fetch sergeant to conclude the current problem of Tsons, if MC became blank then diplomacy with the paykers will be almost impossible.

>>5507823
>Continue work on the Thousand Sons
>>Ask for Sargent Nietzsche presence on Terra

Also if Magnus still will succumb to Chaos then he will know where Xana is through Ahriman and a blank planet is the biggest affront to Magnus. And he can return in wrong time misunderstand things like he usually do and make an enemy from TalOS. So I propose that we use our blank Sargeant as blank therapy for psykers and then cut the already not inflated infected piece of soul.
The main reason why I propose to go with blankness on later date because diplomacy with Magnus or Tsons would be almost impossible after operation, IMHO.
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>>5508107
Wait, shit that's a good point.
Exactly how secret are we keeping Xana? It's an entire forge world.

Not to mention the existence of the Null Nobilite.

We really shouldn't keep all our eggs in one basket, there should be more null houses on specific planets desu. But in the very least, did we ever intend Xana to be absolutely hidden from knowledge?
Roboute was able to keep Sotha hidden from general imperial knowledge.
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>>5507989
>Switch to
>Head to Xana without Ahriman
>(Tell Ahriman we will continue to work on this, but we must now travel to a location only the Mechanicum has access too)
>Xana must remain a secret until we have built up it's defenses massively
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
Ahriman swore his life and soul to us so I think he wouldn't reveal it to Magnus if Magnus turned traitor. That said there is a point to be made that he could betray us
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Technically speaking many of the traitor Primarchs and Astartes swore their lives and souls to the Emperor. Horus being the biggest one.

Not all of them though. Angron and Curze were very much just there because they really couldn't say 'no'.
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>>5508107
>support
We have to finish what we started, and we can’t leave our nephew behind like this
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>>5507823
>Continue work on the Thousand Sons
It's essential we pick this one simply because by the time we get to Xana Magnus will be found and he'll go and "trick" tzeench causing his arrogance to bloat and eventually breach the psychic shields of Terra and ruin everything.

It's essential we finish this as soon as possible, we'll go to become blanks later.
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>>5507823
>Head to Xana without Ahriman
>(Tell Ahriman we will continue to work on this, but we must now travel to a location only the Mechanicum has access too)
>Xana must remain a secret until we have built up it's defenses massively

I like the idea that in an effort to save the TS we become what they hate/fear
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>>5507823
>Head to Xana without Ahriman
>(Tell Ahriman we will continue to work on this, but we must now travel to a location only the Mechanicum has access too)
>Xana must remain a secret until we have built up it's defenses massively
Keep Xana safe. Do not reveal our secret project planet.
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>>5508107
The Xana star system warp zone is so fucked that they had to build a space station outside the star system in deep space just to send messages and guide ships in. Meanwhile the star system itself has been invested heavily with two of the most resource rich and secretive people in the Galaxy. Talos and Malcador both of whom are very much aware of how badly the Great Enemy wants to destroy that world. Keep in mind its nigh impossible to warp into that star system now or send messages. They had to build fucking relay stations with courier vessels and space stations just to do anything.

Basicaly IF chaos invades that star system they will be forced to exit in deep space nearby make the journey while being monitored and fight their way through the entire star system before they can ever hope to even reach Xana. Meanwhile as they get closer they become weaker as the warp dies the closer you get to that world. Rangdan on the other hand are a much MUCH bigger concern. As they are not dependent upon the warp like Chaos is. Arguably Xana might even be harder to invade than Sol simply because of how much that star system rejects the very presence of the Warp. Which would completely cripple any Chaos forces that try to invade.

I wouldn't put it past the Eldar though fucking knife ears would be gravely insulted by being blinded to a star system.
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>>5507823
>Work on the thousand sons
>Request the presence of some blanks.
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>>5508170
Question is how well defended the Xana currently, is. I do hope a whole fraction of our Federal GDP and generous Imperial funding ala Malcador has been spent on building up vast amount of void defenses and at least one Sector Capital worthy space fortress like Ultramar's future Galatan, as well as a planetary null shield like Cadia.

Actually yeah basically our 30k version of Cadia. Should fortify some of the moons around it and build some defensive Orbital Plates like on Terra to boot as well as flooding the void with subspace mines allowing only narrow access channels from the extended mandeville points.

Any fleet that appears in such a long distance away from having to warp so far off will be picked off by a planets worth of ground defense lasers.

We'll use it as our eternal experiment grounds for building better and harder space defenses and the application of the lessons taught to us by Rogal Dorn.

The final threat being infiltration and sabotage, to which we can simply hope either we have Alpharius on our side or can match him and his forces if not.
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>>5507823
>Continue work on the Thousand Sons
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What if we reveal our project to Ahriman, continue to help his legion and he becomes a loyalist from a traitor legion? Look It'd be pretty neat to have our Commander Rimanah like steal him from Tzeench and enjoy his reeing from the warp
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>>5508113
Thats rather easy, if someone goes to Xana they want to leave as soon as they possibly could.
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>Head over to Xana with Ahriman

Magnus is going to have a stroke when he visits his legion and discovers they've all been turned into Pariahs.
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>>5508217
Well, QM said we could turn over only one Primarch.
But he didn't say we could try and turn over some Special Characters.

There will probably be a rebalanced trade though. Ahriman is a major Traitor in canon. Who would fall in his place that would have stayed pure?

Garviel Loken?
Barabas Dantioch?
Machine God forbid, one of our own?
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>>5508246
;)
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>>5508178
So far we know that there are relay space stations due to the warp blockade completely covering the star system as Malcador mentioned how dim it was to a crippling extent from the Astronomican. Meaning they had to build a lot of relay space stations even into deep space to accomplish anything. The star system would be crawling with ships simply because they cannot warp any closer and have to take the long way. All the while being monitored by the many space stations and patrolling/travelling spaceships. Throw in the build up and production of Xana itself(it was an EXTREMELY rich/productive world before the Rangdan and Chaos fucked it over and even then they still managed to hold onto certain premium techs). Including a mining penal colony in the same system.

However actual orbital and planetary defenses we haven't been told much besides the repairs and reclaiming going on Xana itself. Presumably they have building up massively given Tal0S paranoia and Malcador secretly smuggling shipments/reinforcements as well. Channeling arguably even more resources than Lucius itself because Malcador ALSO has a keen interest in that world and will be willing to supply it. Whereas with Lucius it's limited to its Admech and Federation support VS Malcador with the entire Imperium's resources.

Funnily enough Lucius is technically easier to invade than Xana itself because it doesn't have a warp blockade around it 24/7 unless Tal0S is there with his favorite blackstone fortress and can still be scry upon(which is why Tal0S keeps all his super secret goodies hidden on Xana). Of course Xana is also extremely fortified and has access to endless energy supply to power its defenses. So breaking through its shields and getting passed all its energy based weapon batteries would be hell that would make Dorne and Pertubo flinch.
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>>5507823
>Travel to Xana
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>>5507823
>Head over to Xana with Ahriman
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Let's face it we all know UZ1 is the one turning to chaos. Or D3X
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Without Ahriman
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With Ahriman
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>>5508497

Continue the Work
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Nearly split vote, just how I like it.
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When one entered the system they would immediately know what they were coming into. For Psykers they feel it almost immediately, a primal fear of their soul about the to eaten by the planet that was before them. If a Psyker was not suffering from this they will notice that the warp was silent here, whatever maledy it inflicts being eaten by the planet that they were slowly approaching.

For mortals they will feel a creeping sensation cross through their bones. Thoughts wondering if they should even be here will go through their minds. Some with the weakest of the wills might try to find some way to escape from the approaching damnation that is before them.

Thus it is not uncommon for suicides to increase when within the system. Added to that was the rate of accidents as mankind lost whatever benefits an infantile psychic species might gain in chance or luck. Here they were stripped of that, and thus they were in the realm of the Machine God himself.

Xana, a planet already cursed by the foul powers, had its architecture change rapidly thanks to the presence that concealed it from the rest of the universe. New buildings were built in a brutal fashion with shadows prevalent about the surface. It gave the feeling of walking through a graveyard of damnation for those who dared wonder about it.

Most of the standard human populace of the planet had been dripped out. So many of the serfs and factory workers having fear of what was becoming of their world and what it previously was. With the chance to leave many of them took the first trade ships out of the system without any word to their masters.

The Masters of Xana did not care for this trouble though. These days their Serfs were a liability instead of an asset. What they needed was massive fleets of Servitors which were quickly afforded to their cause through the support of Lucius and the local Astartes Legions that were fighting in the region.

They arrived upon this planet, both TalOS and Ahriman, much to the later’s ever present fear of what was to become of this adventure.
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“This is where these… Pariahs are?” Ahriman dared to ask as he looked around wearily, “Never have I been in a place so… darkened.”

“But it is silent too.” TalOS pointed out as they came close to the planet’s surface, “Make sure to continue wearing the Blackstone Amulet. It seems to negate all Psychic flow, and as such you will be safe from Pariahs if they got too close.”

“I… I shall do so.” The Astartes said as he was shaken to his core.

There was a violent stop as the shuttle made contact with the ground and lost all movement it once had. The tailgate opened itself up to reveal the welcoming forms of the Fabricator Lord and the High Dominus, the later of whom served with TalOS during the reconquista.

TalOS gave them both a bow while they gave TalOS a deep bow in return to signify their subservience to him. The Fabricator Lord Wilmar spoke in binaric as was standard for greetings, +The chambers have been prepared and the most gifted son has made a full recovery. I shall show you two to him now.+

+Thank you, Fabricator Lord.+ TalOS told the man before they began their walk towards the workshop that it had all been hosted in.

The journey was not hard as the workplace was within the same building. TalOS looked at the dozens of Priests that worked tirelessly to create the parts needed for his coming ascension into a Pariah. Already the Primarch could see improvements that needed to be made, but he would be digressing.

They had wandered into a massive chamber which housed within it dozens of different structures within. Many of them hosted a series of charges that danced between arches that seemed to have techno-arcane significance.

They continued forward near the center of the place, upon which was a large pyramid which was surrounded by several others in a fashion that could only be described as insanity.

But TalOS knew. Looking upon it in the deepest parts of his mind he knew there was some sense among this.
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“This is the Nullificator Transformer Grid.” Declared the Fabricator Lord as he tapped his cane upon the steps of the center structure, “This is the nucleus, where the subject to be tested upon will be entombed. We have found that no matter what they are, the subject will attempt to break out as their souls are ripped from the fabric of the Warp.”

“Such a response makes sense.” TalOS pointed out as he placed his hand upon the machine, “We will need the strengthen the bindings if these are to hold me in. Adamantine from Lucius will be more than capable enough.”

“I agree, after that we look at the arrays here.” Pointed the Priest at the numerous pillars and stands that were within the area, “There are two parts of the operation that we must achieve. The first is to create a hole within the warp wide enough for the subject’s soul to exit soundly. The next is that we pull their soul from the warp into our reality.”

“That requires both the use of Psykers and of Pariahs, the Psykers to widen the hole and the Pariahs to pull.” TalOS pointed out as he gained a sense of understanding over the operation.

“They are anathema to one another.” Ahriman finally spoke as he could both understand them and overcome his awe, “Its… hard to imagine.”

“We do not have time with the process and for that we have had many deaths. But with the help of the Fabricator General we will succeed.” Announced Wilmar as he passed through the room, “Using the Psi-Candles and Blackstone we have been able to carefully allow each of them to operate. That is the reason for the power, so that we can balance it.”

TalOS gave a firm nod of understanding as he looked upon it, “We will likely need many more than any of your previous tests, I shall put the individuals to fifty each due to my soul being much larger than any others. Ahriman, I take it you wish to assist?”

“I will in any way I can.” declared the Psyker as he pressed his hand against his chest.

“Then we will have him along with my sons doing the work of the psykers, while the Pariahs do their duty. We will need to take some time to refine the machines but it can be done.”

“Then you wish to go forward with it?” The Fabricator Lord asked for confirmation with a small bit of fear within his voice. TalOS did not blame him for a failure here would result in his death.

>We shall do it
>No, don’t go through with it.
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>>5508573
>We shall do it
Freedom or death.
Time to see what will be the results on our sons that QM wanted to write about.
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>>5508573
>We shall do it
So this is it.
This is the moment and the method TalOS irrevocably, but with Malcador and the Emperor's blessing, rip his soul from the Warp and become the first and only Blankmark.

The chance of death is real here. The Primarchs were created with pieces of Fate stolen by the Emperor. Now we cannot rely on that same Fate to protect us. But we can also be assured that same fate can no longer try and damn us. We will be at the mercy of the Machine God's material realm and its statistical chances, and forever be bereft of . . .eh, well, the Emperor didn't even really talk to us that much. Probably only slightly more than Angron.

I'm really excited for the implications of this. Proof that a Primarch can be converted into a Blank means that our entire legion, and any space marine, can now do so too. If we go the second step to unlocking the Pariah Gene, we can truly ensure the Null Nobilite will be the equal, not the lesser, to the Psykana of the Galaxy.
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>>5508573
>We shall do it
Hopefully Ahriman can help us
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>>5508573
>We shall do it
Death to the warp. The machine god wills it.
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>>5508573
>We shall do it

Oh this can't end badly at all.
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>>5508573
>We shall do it
Fuck you tzeentch your a nerd
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>>5508573
> No, dont go through with it.
Too soon. Maybe after our adventure with Dorn, or Rangdan Invasion. Has our 'micro-omnissiah' update completed yet?
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>>5508573
>>We shall do it
This will be IT. And afterwards we will test our theories. Will our astartes begin to devour the warp stuff from their vincinity because of the psychic link to a Pariah? (T4L0S) or will their souls slowly begin to dry because T4L0S's soul will begin feeding from reality instead of the warp? Will the link be torn as expected when T4L0S soul leaves the warp and goes into reality?

On a footnote, I hope Ahriman is the leader of this psychic tear in reality and N13TZSCH3 is the leader of the pariah soul-pulling. It would be peak cool if a couple demons poured into reality because of the tear and T4L0S has to fight them with his newfound blank powers and then reknit the gash with a THUD
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>>5508573
>We shall do it

It begins.
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Any of the 4 that try to mess with Xana will get eaten by Xana. How fitting.

>>We shall do it.
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DO IT
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Don't
>>5508625

Alright, now for the fun part. I need rolls, 1d100, Bo5. You are aiming low, so a one is perfect. Only one roll will be accepted per player.
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>>5508660
I'll admit that I am semi-tempted to run it where if you fellows roll a 100, then TalOS just dies. Would be anti-climactic, but hey its the fate of the 2nd primarch lol.
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Rolled 50 (1d100)

>>5508660
Rolling.

>>5508663
I hope you didn't jinx us. Would be fitting though especially after Randan which is when the two lost primarchs were dealt with and the smurfs were mysteriously reinforced.
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Rolled 16 (1d100)

>>5508660
so where going for low roll then? when the other two have been high roll?
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>>5508660
will a nat 1 overcome a nat 100?
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Rolled 84 (1d100)

>>5508660
Okay mAgNUS with his psyker ascension for humanity is first confirmed enemy. Let's go!

WTF with captcha? it's third time I try to get the image and it gives me nothing
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>>5508677
Wow the next roll rolled polar opposite to yours, WTF!? Like rolls are not as random as you think
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Rolled 21 (1d100)

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Rolled 49 (1d100)

>>5508660
OMNISSIAH GUIDE MY ROLL, I BEG OF YOU
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>>5508681
"WTF with captcha? it's third time I try to get the image and it gives me nothing"

Have you tried appeasing the blessed machine spirit with holy incense?
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>>5508573
>We shall do it

We are all so small in the end
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>>5508688
I'm tech-barbarian, what do you think? Punched it enough times so it start working!
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>>5508677
Very nice.
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this fucking rolls I swear
>16, 21, 49, 50, 84
I would say they are damn good but I were QMing I would try to even it out. All rolls would be above average (result) if not for that 84. The Mean is 44 nad the Median is 49. Pretty good but no exceptional success
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>5508660
F
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>>5508912
The roll is best of five. so we take the 16, 3 Degress of success below the margin
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>>5508912
For this roll low is good, so it's the 16 we want.
And average of rolls always ends up with mediocre results anyway.
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>>5508925
Degrees of success are set by whatever the original DC was.
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>>5508946
that's what I said?

34 below the DC 3 full tens below the margin [50] plus the 4. Which is 3 dos.
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>>5508962
we don't know the DC don't be a fag
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>>5508966
the dc is 50?

>>5508660
Oh, yeah I somehow read Bo5, and got both "best of 5" and "DC 50" at once. That one's one me.
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>>5508969
>that one's on me
Fixed.
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>>5508969
No, and assumptions are what makes an ass of yourself.
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>>5508972
Illiteracy, not an assumption
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Several months were taken to begin the manufacturing of all the equipment necessary for the ascension of TalOS.

Firstly was the creations of powerful bindings that can hold back even a Primarch. Such a concept that was near anathema to the concept of a Primarch was to be made by the hands of TalOS. Such was the reason chains of adamantine were gained, with the cuffs being made of auric so that they could not be so easily removed.

The tests in using them came as positive but the Fabricator General also knew that he was not employing his whole strength. Locked within the body TalOS was cleanly aware of power that few of his kin had yet tapped into. Immense strength that would slaughter a planet if it was left unchecked.

Thus his bindings might fail at the moment they are used.

TalOS then moved his attention to the entire framework of the operation. Using numerous rituals of the Machine God and his knowledge of electro-sorcery he was tasked with cleaning up the work that the Xanites previously made.

The issue mainly was that the Xanites did make a great design. It was simply that small pieces of it had to be adjusted to better fit the flow of electricity and magnify the powers that will be changing. These were streamlined and fined turned using techniques that were used upon St. Gellar’s Field. Wires so fine that you knew exactly what was being flowed through them.

All of this was in addition to the modifications that TalOS was doing ot his own body. He had looked into the previous tests and noted that a series of his sons had their bodies fail from the trauma that was inflicted upon them. This he worked upon the machines which flowed through his body in an attempt to keep him stabilized for long enough that he can get true medical attention if that were to come.

TalOS DAV1S knew that his body was both sorcery and science. It was only reasonable that when he removes the sorcery that made his body what it is he will need to compensate with science that he himself has learned.

Soon the months went by soundly, the day came.
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TalOS could count roughly a hundred Priests walking through the chambers monitoring everything from the ambient static flow to the amount of psychic energy which flowed through the chamber like a wind. Such monitoring was done with the skill and proficiency of a perfect accuracy as they were blessed by the machines designed by a Primarch’s own hands.

Arranged around the chamber were several Psykers and Nulls taking up positions. The Psykers looked to be experiencing a sort of relief as they felt the weight of the planet’s dangerous nullification aura weaken from the psi candles. At their head was Ahriman who wore a cloak that signified him as a Thousand Son, being of red and gold.

The others were the nulls which were fronted by TalOS’s only son to also become a null. Sargent Nitchze looked at the happenings with an inquisitive eye before giving out numerous commands to the nulls who will be assisting in their function.

In the center TalOS stood without a single piece of cloth to defend his modesty. Around him numerous Priests were fashioning him with oils and sacraments in an attempt to bless his body for the coming trial. Near the end of this ritual four Priests took the chains and bound them upon the wrists and ankles of their liege.

For the first time in decades TalOS was defenseless and only one of his sons was nearby. Such a risk TalOS knew was necessary but it still irked his mind as it happened. The only good thing was that the Warp was quite as not even the damned Gods of the Warp could influence these moments.

The chains were tightened and he was lifted from the ground. Looking down upon the numerous men and women who shall be helping him TalOS knew for a fact it would succeed. The question was could he manage it?

TalOS was soon placed in a horizontal position against the rest of those present. Such a way was used to more than easily access the soul of TalOS in some arcane way that only the Machine God could understand.

When looked at from above though a realization that TalOS was aware of was made. He was arranged in one of the many Glyphs that the Machine God had granted him.

+Are you prepared, Fabricator General TalOS?+ The Fabricator Lord asked as he rested his hand up on a large switch that controlled the power over this facility.

TalOS sucked air into his lungs so that he would be filled with plenty of oxygen for the process, “Begin the Ritual!”

The Fabricator Lord gave a small prayer to the Machine God, then pulled the lever.
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The amount of psychic energies around TalOS began to mount and he could feel it. Upon the planet of Xana the realm between man and daemon were so thin that it could be cut by any nascent psyker. As the Psi-Candles did what TalOS never wished for them to do until now, that state of affairs was quickly recreated and then went beyond what was originally hosted.

A soft purple came through the area as TalOS felt his very being shift and shake. He felt the power of the psykers gripping into the warp and tugging at the edges of creation. Such immense power was being worked and it was happening all around TalOS’s soul.

There was no pain yet but TalOS was quickly feeling his mind give into terror. Memories locked away into his past were swiftly coming back as reality around him began to look more and more like the warp. He felt his mind’s eye gazing into an abyss of damnation and quickly he noticed that all of them were looking back at him.

While there were so many creatures around that TalOS could barely speak of. But his eyes, cursed he was, for they told him that they were all part of the greatest whole of four creatures. Their daemons surrounded the space of Xana, only being kept out through the eternal hunger of the damned.

Nurgle, God of Decay and Death. He was a bloated mess of flesh and disease that frowned at it and looked upon TalOS. Was it because it was about to miss a chance at his soul or did it actually care for the pain that it knew he would experience.

The next was Khorne, Lord of blood and murder. Bloated he was from all the deaths that the epochs of violence he still wanted more skulls for the throne he was upon.

Slaanesh, the newest TalOS understood, noticed did not care much for his intrusion into the realm of damned souls. It looked to him that the God of ecstasy was trying their best to break into somewhere that was unseen even to his eyes.

Lastly, TalOS cursed seeing it, was Tzeentch. The closest to TalOS as a sworn enemy and whose form was nonsensical to the eyes of the materium. He was the only one who tried to reach forward and touch into the planet of Xana, only for whatever flesh neared the planet’s sphere of influence to consume that piece of his body.

Here TalOS realized he was once before two parts, one of the warp and one of the materium. Now though they were of the same thing to his soul through the sorceries of Xana. In his fear he realized that the first hurdle had been crossed.

Then there was pain.
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The pain was sudden, like hundreds of different talons which had sucken themselves into his flesh and were tearing at him from all directions. He could feel as his soul was lazerated and cut as it gave instead of allowing the hooks to keep snugly upon him. Several wounds that would turn a normal human soul into two were sunken into the soul-flesh of TalOS for them to try and pull him.

As they did this TalOS could feel the boundaries of worlds starting to rebuild itself around him. Pressure was being placed where the divide should be and TalOS knew that some of his soul was not where it should be. Then, for a moment of pain, it began to widen itself again.

As the pain continued the Primarch realized that he felt his body once more. His chest, on fire as the brain within it was trying to comprehend all that was happening to its soul. He gave an unearthly scream as every nerve within his body was registering what was happening to him. Muscles that were previously laxed were becoming active once again and began to tense themselves against the adamantine chains.

Such was the power of Primarch that one of the links snapped.

In an instant TalOS felt immense pain at the shifting of his body. His soul, a concept which should belong in reality, was being stretched as it was being held in the same location. Pain was everywhere and his body was near useless, but many of the machines that inhabited it were quickly activating as they were told by something outside what the issue was.

In an instant the Nanomachines induced movement within the muscles and shot them forward to grip the shattered chains. As the muscles reached forward and tightened a grip upon the links the area around TalOS began to glow a subtle green.

It was then that TalOS felt numerous failsafes fail and issues beginning to wreck systems. These were not the systems of Xana, but of those across the galaxy which held something far grander than him back.

Then TalOS felt his consciousness carried throughout the universe. He felt the motive force flow and the cosmic intentions of the True Gods made clear. The Tech Priest realized for this moment and this moment alone that he was seeing what the Machine God sees. He realized, just for this moment, that he was seeing it because he was eating at the sentiance which gripped his soul.

Upon that realization TalOS held back his soul’s bite just long enough for the sentience to release him. Casted away from the Heavens, TalOS felt his body again for the first time.

He hung there, his body both degrading and regenerating as the Nano Machines attempted to fix what the Arcane previously sustained. Before his body and Machine Spirits suspended his animation, TalOS welcomed the knowledge that he was alive.
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The sun was slowly setting in the dust filled skies of Prospero, giving an eerie red glow that covered that part of the world. There a stormbird made from the finest Auric was flown down onto the ground. Its arrival kicked up the sands which disturbed what little wildlife was upon this magnificent planet.

A Tailgate was lowered as several men in golden armor rushed past him. Each of whom were magnificent warriors in their own right, each of whom he had once talked to in seeking some semblance of guidance from. Let it be the diplomatic or war approaches which had taken place.

The Emperor of Mankind stepped out from his personal Storm Bird and looked out to the horizon. Around him were magnificent spires and pyramids that reminded him of the most ancient days of humanity that he was a part of. Back then they were built to honor the dead and Gods alike, here they were used to tap into the latent powers that humanity mistaken as Gods.

It was a good step, a good ideal to set oneself towards. When he stepped upon the souls he understood the history that had led them to this point and understood all the pains which brought them to this point. If he was not filled with joy, he would have shed a tear for how many died for such lessons to be learned.

Before him, kneeling upon the ground was a red giant. He had known him before their birth, for they had talked when the Primarch first tapped into the warp. It was an odd experience but such issues happened when the development of his mind needed to be unbound to the development of his body.

For a second the Emperor felt shame as he glanced upon his son’s red skin. Such skin was caused by his son’s careful introduction into the Warp. It had stained his flesh with its power as the Primarch’s flesh attempted to build resistance to its burdening effects. What saddened the Emperor was that his son will never be able to truly count himself among the ranks of mankind and will always be known as the psyker that he was.

“Father…” The giant said as he looked up to gaze at the Emperor, “You are just how I imagined you.”

That was a statement of fact and understanding. Words spoken not in wonder but knowing that there was something afoot. The test was passed.

“Magnus, long have I wished to see you once again.” The Emperor told his son as he tried to show a smile.

“Has something happened?” Magnus asked as he recognized the pain that was upon the face of the Emperor.

The Emperor of Mankind looked out into the Universe for a long second and reached out, his eyes gazing upon the planet of Xana and then upon a single point. From there he saw him, he saw his son’s flesh move as death failed to claim it.

“It is an issue that I will need to discuss with Malcador at a later date.” The Emperor said as he turned back to his red son.

>Upon the Ship
>At home
>In the Crypt
>Terra
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
We did it, we even went to the realmnof the Void Dragon Machine God and came back.
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>>5509047
>Terra
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>>5509047
Wait...

>From there he saw him, he saw his son’s flesh move as death failed to claim it.

QM aren't Fake perpetuals made by passing such things?
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>>5509061
Idk, you wanna test it?
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>>5509047
>At home

Well, congrats kids - TalOS officially failed to treat Tsons and Ahriman knows where Xana is. Magnus will be disgusted by MC. That's will not go bad, nope!
That's why when you start doing something - you finish it!
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>>5509063
Of course, But sadly 1. WE don't know in character and 2. I doubt the rest of the anons here are willing to risk quest end on that.
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>>5509067
Now the only way to ensure the continued existence of Xana is to turn Ahriman or Magnus to our side

Also we should definitely convince malcador to share the truth of Chaos with the Thousand Sons and Magnus
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>>5509047
I'm confused, what is this vote about? Is it for where Talos goes next? Or is it for an interlude?
Also yay we ascended! Praise the machine god!
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>>5509047
>Terra

>>5509061
TaL0S "you can't kill me" Dav1S
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>>5509047
>Terra

I'm also with that other anon, We really should have focused down on the Tsons.
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>>5509047
>Terra
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>>5509093
Confusion is engineered. Its like guessing a Horoscope.
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>>5509118
Kk thx, was worried I missed something
Also >>5509047
Changing my vote from >>5509110 to
>In the Crypt
Because it sounds related to the void dragon or something necrony. We will probably be able to reach terra soon regardless to finish with the thousand sons using our new pariah stuff
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>>5509047

>Terra.
Now yes, immunity to parasites! The heresy is going to get a lot more interesting now.
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>>5509104
Tal0S "Good luck I'm behind 7 contingency plans" Dav1S
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
I wonder what a c'tan tastes like
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>>5509043
>with the cuffs being made of auric
Jesas. No I haven't read the second post but I am assuming the nanines won't just phase through the locks...
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>>“It is an issue that I will need to discuss with Malcador at a later date.”
>Tfw Malcador points out the unread daily logs of all his activities with TalOS as well as the various psychic messages drifting uselessly in the warp cause he was too busy chatting with Magnus.
Can't fault TalOS for not doing his due diligence.
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>>5509063
Damn sassy QM!!! He needs rape correction!!
>Captha U0WAH
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>>5509204
>HE GAVE UP HIS PSYKER SONS TO ME
>HE DEVICED A WAY TO TRUEKILL CHAOS SPAWN
>HE MADE MARS EVEN MORE COMPLIANT
>HE DOUBLED OUR TERRITORY
>HE CALLED ME UNCLE

You think Malcador may take our side when the Emperor is like "what the fuck is the tech priest doing?"

Anyway voting for
>Upon the Ship
The vote is obviously about Time
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>>5509047
>Terra
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>>5509047
The ship: Our titans reaction
At Home: Uzis reaction
The Crypt: dragons reaction
Terra: Malcodors reaction
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>>5509080
MC just went in Magnus eyes from enlightened magic human to anti-magic one. And Magnus think that Psykers are next evolution for humanity. Yep, he will listen to MC reasons and not condemn him, nope! If he could be in the same room as TalOS's aura of blank or pariah.
Yes, he will totally listen to this abomination from his point of view.
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>>5509047
>Terra
Damn, now we got the attention of the Emperor.
Question QM is there still a chance that we can help the Thousands son? Because I feel like we fuck that part up now that we are a null
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>>5509350
Magnus is arrogant but he's smart, he will recognise there must be two sides to every coin.
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
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>>5509212
Don't forget doubling his budget on certain projects and gain access to Astarte Techpriests as well. Tal0S is definitely Malcador's favorite nephew. Not to mention the industrial scale harvesting of Psykers and Pariahs from the Federation. Arguably making it the most efficient recruiting grounds.
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>>5509559
There's so much more TalOS can do and hasn't yet done. Barely even scratched the tip of the iceberg. One day I pray we'll see the inside of the Senate Again and do some federation actions.
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>>5509373
We always had the undivided atenttion on the emperor. He even went on a EHEM self discovery trip to Mars after meeting us!! And of course we can help them. We have the machines!!
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>>5509266
oooooh...
>>5509377
This is warhammer we speak of, however
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>>5509047
>Terra
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
Missed opportunity with the thousand sons aside, now that we've become blankmarch we should consider how we'll use our technomancy and chronomancy
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
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>>5509377
I won't wait for later to tell you: AHAAHHAHA.
But seriously have you met many stubborn and arrogant people? I say there was something like 20% chance that he would listen a Psyker, 5% chance - a normal person and 0% chance that he would listen to someone which mere presence cause him pain.
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>>5509047
>In the Crypt
And thus we have become the best counter to the Warp, I imagine that if Emps sends us to get Magnus then Horus would do everything in his power to stop us since if he tried to deceive us like he did Leman we would actually succede in killing Magnus.
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>>5509788
The real trick is how separate from Horus we can be in general. More critically maintaining the loyalty of Kelbor Hal and the rest of the non-Federation parts of the Mechanicum to be loyal to us and not him where possible.

We haven't' exactly dived into the role of Imperial Quartermaster and it's telling that to do so would probably mean sacrificing even more of the limited time we have, given there's a bunch of Federation stuff we can still do.

It will also depend which brother of ours we try to influence to stay loyal too. With our emphasis on a strong military and giving no shits about 'honorable combat', I still believe our hard counters to be the sneaky primarchs who are good at sabotage. Alpharius, Conrad Curze, Corvus Corax. Technically the skirmisher primarchs too like Khan. So if for example we get Alpharius on our side, that would help us tremendously when we are ripping our mechadendrites out because Horus sent Curze keeps blowing up Lucius or threatening UZI and Mom/PA so we have to invest in all this anti-stealth measures. Maybe. Alpharius wasn't exactly the best scout for Horus even when he was on his side. Better at infiltrating that counter infiltrating I feel.

"The Hydra is Blind" ~ Horus

We still have a number of great Mechanicum tricks up our sleeves for anti-stealth, since most of the Primarchs methods were warp based, so it'd be a lot harder for Corvus or Curze to sneak around where we are since machines aren't fooled by them. But it's still not ideal. It took 3 Primarchs just to corner Curze on Maccragge. And that was with Curze not having his legion on his side and doing a solo-op. While also trying to kill Vulkan.
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>>5509806
Corvus is more important than Curze since he is more focused on infiltration while Batmarch does splits his effort between stealth and terror tactics, I reckon we would beat Curze if he tried to infiltrate Lucius.
The Khan made the march on Terra a pain for the traitors because of his hit and run attacks, the White Scars could harass and pin the traitors while we bring the might of the Machine God down on the groups that splinter off, defeat in detail.
Alpharius is loyal.

Perturabo is also a good option, he more or less carried the Heresy logistics-wise, but the QM said that if we bring a primarch on our side then another will flip and the only Primarch to match Pert would be Robute and he has a bigger legion and can turn the 500 world to Chaos for and into a meatgrinder when we attack it.

We have more or less the most optimized team for the Heresy, the key is making sure everbody's legions can act and coordinate, either by making sure stuff like the Dropsite Massacre never happens or by really scaling up our marine production.
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>>5509822
We could probably flip magnus for the khan. (although I don't think it will happen)
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>>5509266
This fellow is sort of full of shit. Those betting on the Crypt being the VD, your bet is wrong.

Felt this correction is needed since things are too close to call.
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>>5509889
What exactly do the options mean, or is it supposed to be ambiguous?
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>>5509982
Yes, he said it here
>>5509118
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>>5509982
I'll.admit the fellow was pretty close for everything. Just Crypt was wrong.
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>>5509047
>crypt 8
>>5509053
>>5509057
>>5509135
>>5509195
>>5509494
>>5509707
>>5509740
>>5509788

>Terra 7
>>5509060
>>5509104
>>5509108
>>5509141
>>5509214
>>5509373
>>5509686

>At home 1
>>5509067

>Upon the Ship 1
>>5509212
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>>5509844
I sincerely value the Khan more then Magnus. Yes, with Magnus on the loyalist side the Webway situation wouldn't be as bad as in canon, but I doubt that the 4 wouldn't find another way to keep the Emperor on Terra or just away from the main front.
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>>5510095
Why would you value the Khan more then Magnus? He has literally no value and the HH is much more different with psykers on our side.
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>>5510101
Khan, along with Sanguinius, was one of the Big Three of the psyker advocates. Stormseers approach to warp power is the closest in any other legion to our Lanterns of Charon, eschewing dangerous psychic sorcery and convening with spirits in favor of limited and focused warp usage, elementalism like pyromancy or telekinesis. They knew and recognize that the warp has dangerous entities in it and their philosophy of warp usage takes this into account, showing a respect for navigators and astropaths not seen in the Thousand Sons who view their religion as superstition (just like they would view ours). If anything their psykers are better suited to working alongside ours.

The White Scars had massive military value in the HH, and basically cleaved a bloody path in a lightning campaign everywhere they went and encountered traitors, while still being able to make it to defend Terra itself. I'd liken his legion to the loyalist parallel to the World Eaters in terms of getting out there, taking the initiative and killing shit. Only much more organized and less steeped in chaos.
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>>5510106
Blahhh, The navigators and astropaths aren't needed if we can find a warp-abcust or w.e. its called from the older days. Unless QM is considering those old things as non-cannon to his setting. Thats from the RT tabletop

As for that, While true those don't matter much if you have proper hard points. now if we just traded Girlyman for Magnus, we are in for some real shit.
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>>5510110
QM feels like he's doing his own thing rather than drawing heavily from source inspiration per say. In any case fuck whatever that is, we don't need more warp tech. What would really be a game changer is inertialess drives and dolmen gates

Also Guilliman for Magnus would be just as bad, because even if we win at Terra, now we have the other Primarch with the 2nd biggest force to deal with and another evil empire. That was the whole reason Horus had to take the daring approach to lower the shields because he knew the loyalist reinforcements were going to rape him between a rock and a hard place if he delayed any longer. It also means Lorgar and Angron will not be distracted mucking about in his place and might be sent to us. On top of all hope being lost at so much as smelling the Pharos

Russ meanwhile, neutralizes Magnus and the TS fairly early on. They don't play as big a role for the rest of the HH after that mauling. Granted a loyalist Magnus could mean a more intact TS I suppose if Russ can avoid being tricked into slaughtering them anyway.
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Also it's not so much the hard points I'm worried about with Khan, although I wouldn't rest easy even then. It's being hit and runned from left right and center whenever we try to move anywhere. The Khans are the closest thing the Imperium has to Dark Eldar in terms of offensive speed and lightning raid capabilities, which means we'd be delayed everywhere we try to go with him dogging us.
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>>5510115
Russ fucking mauled Magnus BECAUSE horus fucking played him like a fiddle. Unless thats changed in the newest HH books.

Don't Dolmen gates make the webway react super hostile and seal themselves off?
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>>5510124
The Eldar often have to go in and do that shit manually. In fact it's likely that might be what the Emperor would have encountered hostile Eldar if demons weren't flooding into it. But that's where an army, an understanding of the warp, and a Primarch and/or alive Emperor might come in handy.

Not to mention we actually have the foundation for one in our Blackstone Fortress right now in the form of a Webway Gate yet undiscovered. Fittingly ironic that it's right under our own nose and TalOS hasn't found it yet, kinda like the Webway Gate on the moon the Emperor never found out about either until Yvrainne opened it up for Guilliman.

There is also an untapped Webway branch that leads to Mars too btw, which the Mechanicum forces fighting on Terra broke off from the Emperor's forces to try and access. They didn't suceed.

Failing that Inertialess drives would be the more safer, and reliable method of FTL for us.
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>>5510143
Fucking old ones, and there bullshit slipspace tunnels.
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>>5510062
I see no rebuttles to this, so it shall be the Cryptworld of Xana.
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Question for you all, since I am feeling nice
>Maintain the connection
>Disconnect it.
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>>5510173
>Maintain the connection
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>>5510173
I really hope this is the psychic connection we're talking about here.
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>>5510176
It is.
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Fucking weird, I just posted and it says its too long to delete even though its just 3 minutes.
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>>5510173
Changing my vote here >>5510175 too

>Disconnect it.

I physically cannot delete my vote.
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Here's the key question.
If we have severed ourselves from the warp. . .how do we maintain our psychic connection with the Emperor?

Will this at all interfer with our desire to access the Cryptek Powers granted by the Dragon?

If we can have our loyalist cake of being in tune with the Emperor and eat it too, I'd be all for it. But if it blocks us from going the Cryptek. . .
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>>5510173
>disconnect it
Jesus QM, you are way to nice to us
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>>5510173
>Maintain the connection
Talos cares about his Sons, also maybe this will have a chain reaction to them
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>>5510173
>Maintain connection
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>>5510173
>Disconnect it.
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>>5510195
>>5510196
Yeah, they will suffer by being drained of soul stuff.
QM said it won't kill them, but imagine you getting your personality, identity and life force sucked out cause your boss couldn't wait to change your contract.
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>>5510202
That's a positive effect.
But what would the drawbacks for TalOS be?

Further still, would it become a moot point if more of our sons become Pariah Astartes? Is a connection still feasible then?
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>>5510207
I doubt all of our sons can become pariahs.
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>>5510173
>Disconnect it.
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>>5510219
We just turned a Primarch into a Blank.
I have very little doubts on our abilities after a feat like that. We surely can do it.

Question is, can we practicably do it or are there caveats and outstanding problems to doing so.
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>>5510173
>Disconnect it.
Cross the rubicon
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>>5510173
>Disconnect it.
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>>5510173
>Disconnect it.
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This fic is some good stuff
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>>5510173
maintain
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Hunger.

That was the first thing TalOS experienced as the susan membrane released him. It was a deep hunger that troubled him because he felt himself shaken without the feeding of it. In an instant knowledge that he should not have had came to him, and he knew for certain that it was soul stuff that he craved.

His eyes opened and he was not surrounded by Priests or Apothecaries, but by servitors that looked to have had their power sapped out of them.

The power was not sapped out of them, TalOS quickly realized, it was the souls that made up the human half ot the servitor that was taken away from them.

It gnawed at him, the hunger did. He took several steps before his eyes crossed before an eerie purple glow of a Psi Candle. He raised his hand towards it and he felt his soul reach out towards the object. In an instant the candle shattered as the Pariah felt a sense of relief come towards him.

He had to think now, while the hunger was at bay, and quickly he reached out into the Noospheric network in an attempt to connect with someone. The one he connected had the credentials of Fabricator Lord, but it was not Wilmar.

+Fabricator General!+ Fabricator Lord Eretis exclaimed as he answered TalOS’s extension, +Thank the Machine God you have arisen! We feared the worst. What is your condition?+

TalOS felt his soul shift as it tried to reach out and find another source of soulstuff, or anything that could be of use to him, but he found nothing as he searched for this part of reality. He sent the information to answer, +I’m… I’m hungry.+

TalOS could feel the weakness of his person as that connection was sent. His brain worked at it and he realized that he was still in an unstable state of biomatter as he laid upon the floor. Gone was the magnificent strength of a Primarch, TalOS was almost an equal to the common man and suffered worse than those with leprosy.

+Hunger? You must need soul stuff.+ The Fabricator Lord correctly assumed as he sent TalOS a small package, +I will be sending you subjects.+

+Send them.+ TalOS sent as a reply as he felt the hunger slowly crawling upon him again.
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It was a group of three, TalOS knew that before they breached the final door. While TalOS did have sensors that could have done this detection all of his systems were focused on the sustainment of the Nanites which coursed through his body. No, he knew they were there because he could taste their souls at the cusp of his tongue.

There was fear, anger, resentment, as well as dullness. The Dullness did not have much taste TalOS noted. He knew for sure that taste was from the Servitors who were guiding the subject closer to him. What was sweeter was the taste of fear as it opened what little bits of the warp it could access.

Yes, it was a psyker. The soul was bright and powerful. It was not nearly as powerful as the Daemons but it was more than adequate when the Pariah measured his needs.

TalOS knew at this moment he was dangerous. As much of a Machine he was he was becoming closer to feral. Like a starving beast who was just given a lamb for it to devour, the Priests of Xana were giving TalOS a Psyker to sate his appetite.

What kept him back was what little will he had and another source.

Never was TalOS alone. Even in a dark damp place like this he could always feel their connection to one another. Now it was far stronger and so much more pronounced than what the Machine Spirit had fashioned upon him before.

Particep Semper was with him, even as the Titan hung within the planet’s Orbit, it was with him.

TalOS allowed the demeanor of the Titan to afflict him. He began to raise himself upon his weak feet as the Titan demanded that he stand tall. Oxygen, which was rich in the environment, flowed in and out of the cybernetic lungs that TalOS had installed. Oxygen flowed and he felt the pain of his muscles slowly subside.

As he did this TalOS looked at the door that opened. A climax in fear washed over his senses as TalOS looked directly into the eyes of the psyker that was before him. Her soul burned like the fires of a raging fire and he could feel her lifeforce easily being trained towards him.

In a snap decision he pointed onto the neighboring Servitor and ate its soul. Dull and thoughtless the memories of a low hive ganger swam into the mind of TalOS. They were but impressions to him as he scanned over them.

With one of her captures free TalOS watched the psyker break away from the other Servitor. Without another thought TalOS reached forward and ate that one’s soul, seeing the life of a person who was always a slave. He had murdered his master and for that was sentenced to the worst fate a slave like him to ever imagine.
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TalOS was still hungry, but that hunger was being sated upon the souls of the man-machines. His eyes glanced upon the psyker and like that she crumbled in the fear he was currently enjoying.

The Psyker was but a gateway into the Warp. TalOS knew that to be a fact. A gateway to the limitless energies that flowed through it and what was previously his fuel source for his soul. He knew it was the size of his soul that was causing him to be like this. The size of a soul which could only have been maintained in the warp. The powers of the warp were so prevalent within him that any who looked upon his body were forced into a psychic awe.

Now he was something else. He was a Pariah whose soul should have caused its termination upon birth. A creature that entire planets would have seeked to murder lest it escaped. The only reason he stood here was that the Priests of Xana had enough servitors to carry him out and enough Pariahs to keep his influence away from them.

He took one step and the psyker fell onto the floor. Its hair was strung out along with a small injury upon the head. It was not dead, not yet, but TalOS had caused it to experince the worst trauma imaginable.

But he did not eat it. He did not eat it for he was a noble creature. One whose entire life was trained in the art of temperance and could not be so easily thrown to devour an innocent soul.

Was she innocent, she was a psyker. She was a danger to all and if she did not face death here with TalOS she will surely meet it when becoming bound to the Astronomicon. There was no other fate she could have for neither the Imperium nor the Mechanicum could do so.

Then again, was he being held back because of his humanity. Or maybe it was the Titan who forced him to approach her standing. No, he could feel him, Particep Semper was more than willing to have this creature before TalOS die. It was his instinct as a Princep which was holding him back. An ever shifting instinct that told him to always pull back against the God Machine lest it take over his mind.

There must be another way, or should he waste time looking for it? If there was another way TalOS knew it would take months, maybe even years before his mind realized its potential.

>Eat the psyker
>Demand the Xanites lock him up to prevent the murder.
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
Maybe we can hunt a daemon or something
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.

Oh, Well this is a WILD fucking take on stuff. I wasn't expecting that.
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>>5510343
The person who said TalOS would eat his sons was 100% right.
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>>5510321

>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
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>>5510346
Oh, So its a good thing we disconnected then? Wack
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
Time to use those Chronomancy Powers and learn to tame ourselves at speed.
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>>5510321
>Demand the Xanites lock him up to prevent the murder.
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
All of this is so terrifying, I love you QM you remind us all that the actions we take has consequences because we almost drained all our son lives, at least for now we are incorruptible
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>>5510457
I try to do as much as I can.
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder

Well, RIP any diplomacy with psykers. On another hand maybe Mortarion will love MC for he's the perfect bane of psykers. Or this experience would make Mortarion to hate psykers less after seeing what on the other side of the specter.
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
We shall find ourselves a Daemon, and consume it whole, also find our Blank children as our honourguard
We should probably find a way to soften the blow to psykers somehow.
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So, what you guys think the odds are the emperor will ask for are assistance when magnus goes Rogue.
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>>5510520
I don't knw if T4L0S might get there... but a PRIMARCH sould will certanly be delicious...

>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
This is WACK. We must find a solution to his hunger or there will be galaxy wide consecuences... So many of them!! The 2nd astartes won't die thanks to this... Remember when there was a slight Motive-Force link between them and T4L0S? Back when he did the oath of moment...

Anyway, does anyone remember what thread it was when UZ1 and T4L0S were researching chronomancy and he locked himself up and suffered the screams again after so long? I want to re read it but I can't find it. I want to get an idea of what will happen when the Primarch is put in stasis
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.

Ah, shit
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>>5510321
>Send for a Stasis Pod to get him off this planet, we will not murder.
Could we just uplift an alien species to have souls to eat? Genetically edit an offshoot and grow them on a planet
Crotalids, grox or tau preferably
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>>5510520
What odds are that MC will ive to that time? With his questionable alligence, questionable decisions and new nature - I would'nt bet on him
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>>5510634
We have been and professed to be nothing but loyal to Malcador and the Emperor and his Imperium/Mechanicum alliance. We make it policy to be open in all our interactions, and hide nothing from dear Uncle. Xana and its project was and is funded by him, and QM said we are very transparent and Malcador doesn't need to guess what we are doing.

The fact that the Emperor seems to not be aware is unfortunately, something he should discuss with his friend.
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Reflecting, I'm so happy that we have basically turned around the sorry state of affairs of the Pariah Project in canon and fulfilled Malcador's original dream for it.
For not only can they now properly proliferate in numbers, what greater technological feat is there than to turn even a warp infused Primarch into a Pariah?

Only one other feat comes in mind, and that's a Pariah-Titan, to match the Psi-Titans
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>>5510621
What about taking a shitty ship through the warp and turning off the Gellar Field, I feel like we could lure in a big enough fish to Sate us for a time
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>>5510705
Just because one drinks water, doesn't mean one should stand in a raging tsunami. Turning off the gellar field is a bad damn idea.

Even a Pariah of the Sisters of Silence reflected that true unprotected exposure would still likely kill her, although viewing from the safety of tinted Navigator Glass, all she saw was the stars of the material universe.
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>>5510793
The idea has merit.

>>5510321
Way I see it. The time to help the Tsons has passed. And this deciscion is not one that will be reversed if we take it.

>Send for a stasis pod to get him off planet.

We are Tal0S, prophet of the machine god. We will not be held shackled by our base hungers.
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>>5510924
Well, true. It has some merit.

It's not impossible to survive warp exposure even if one isn't infused by the powers of Chaos. There have been a select rare characters.

Kaldor Draigo
A strange little girl and her dog who breezed through Tzeentch's dungeon
Technically speaking Captain Titus of the Ultramarines was exposed to raw warpstuff
And of course Orks, but they are protected by Gork and Mork so probably doesn't count.

I'm just more worried about what would happen to the ship.
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>>5510321
>Demand the Xanites lock him up to prevent the murder.
Looks like TalOS will have to do with a nextended vacation
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Stasis Pod
>>5510329
>>5510343
>>5510349
>>5510369
>>5510398
>>5510457
>>5510488
>>5510517
>>5510587
>>5510621
>>5510924
>>5510568

Lock up
>>5510384
>>5510941
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As TalOS looked upon the Psyker with the eyes of a hungry predator. A burning hunger that would consume the brainflesh of all that it held within it. Even immortals would not be able to hold themselves back from consuming the flesh of the innocent.

TalOS took a step back, a decision reached.

+Fabricator Lord!+ Declared TalOS in an audible format that carried his voice through the chamber, +I shall not eat this Psyker. Entomb me into a Stasis unit and send me to Lucius.+

+Confirm you decision.+ Were the words rung back to TalOS as the Primarch starred doggedly at the fallen form of the psyker.

+Confirm!+ He shouted displaying a sense of peril to his person.

Upon that declaration TalOS felt the approach of two other servitors. The man-machines did not care for TalOS as he starred at them from the far side of the room. They kneeled down and lifted the psyker with ease, dragging it out of the room and into whatever holding cell it was previously in.

TalOS had to sit there in anguish for minutes as he felt his soul yearn for more power. The longer he resisted the better TalOS was feeling as his humanity was starting to take hold over the primordial hunger which had plagued him.

It was soothing that in his moment of desperation TalOS did not give in. He could have become a monster then and there but he held back his soul which avoided the subject’s damnation.

This time there were five servitors, four moving the massive machine while the remaining one was likely there to replace any that TalOS accidently consumed. Without a second thought TalOS threw himself into the chamber of the machine, allowing the Servitors to work tirelessly to complete the activation ritual.

That heard the calm buzzing of the Machine Spirit before the land infront of TalOS changed in an instant.
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For a moment TalOS recognized the wonder that had just occurred to him. For the first time he had experienced a real time skip, caused by the flow of his time being stopped by another flow of time. What had ever happened between when he was entombed and when he was reawakened was but a mystery to him.

Instead of feeling fear TalOS was now experiencing exaltation. He had truly experienced a time based event caused by the Motive Force! These thoughts were so strong that he felt his hunger fall under its influence.

Such ecstasy of thought waned quickly as he looked around noticing the numerous Priests and Servitors who were standing several standards away from him. At the far end of the wall TalOS quickly realized the highest commands of his sons who looked upon him with unthinking helms.

What was happening beneath those helms TalOS knew. He could taste their fear and worry for him which stained the warp’s influence. Their fear focused on how it was so hard for them to look upon TalOS with any degree of concentration.

TalOS did not need to be told what was the issue or why he was released from his chamber, +My Sons, I am safe. I have bound myself within the chambers of this time stasis unit to keep eachother safe from my current state. Tell UZ1, D3X, and ADM1N that I will be holding off on my duties for the next few months until I can tame my person once again.+

Of those around, it was Reich Marshall AL4N who stepped forward, +I will tell Lucius of your words. We look forward to your return.+ TalOS could tell the sadness that was laced within every word of that communication.

With his words spoken TalOS lifted himself back into the chamber. The Tech Priests who were keeping their distance like he was a radioactive mutant quickly crossed the floor and committed the rite of activation upon the Machine Spirit.

When it snapped, active time and space shifted before TalOS’s eyes.
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Of all the things to experience it was not the dunes of Lucius or the halls of his own vessel that TalOS saw. The first he felt was an immense amount of power coming into him and in an instant all hunger that he was feeling had ebbed away.

In an instant TalOS knew who was standing before him for he had experienced the exact same thing once before several years ago.

+Emperor.+ TalOS said as he crawled out of his containment and looked his creator in the eye.

It was hard to describe the emotions that TalOS had at this moment but he knew full well what his father was experiencing. There was an undertone of anger, but he was giving to TalOS sympathy and sorrow that one would give to their son. It was a cocktail that the Pariah would have enjoyed if he was not satisfied by the man’s sheer presence.

Looking upon the man TalOS saw a giant of a man, one who was easily the size of his brother Vulkan. These changes were not caused by the presence of the warp, a manipulation upon his subconscious mind, +Biomancy, your form is maintained through biomancy.+

+Yes, it is.+ The Emperor spoke in a tone that could only align with the Mechanicum’s Binaric. He did not have a single augmentation upon his body though, as TalOS studied him, no he spoke that using the warp.

For some reason as TalOS spoke those words he felt there was a shard of happiness within the aura of the Emperor now. Happiness likely within the fact that TalOS still held his sanity. Happiness that he was still of use. Happiness that one of his kin still walked the galaxy.

It was an odd taste, TalOS realized, but not an unpleasant one.

+Malcador had told me about your experiments at the galactic rim and your goal. I held you off because I wanted to know what you discover.+ He looked closely upon TalOS with eyes that showed a deep sorrowful pitty, +You succeeded in one of your goals.+

+I have. While many have died on the way they all knew the chances of death that laid before them. Do you know how many died at my ascension?+ TalOS asked as he had enough willpower to look directly into his father’s eyes.

+Nineteen souls were sacrificed for your augmentation.+ The Emperor informed TalOS as he produced a small sheet of paper, +These are their names, so that you may remember their sacrifices.+

TalOS accepted the paper and scanned it with his eyes. Besides the Fabricator Lord, none of the names on the list were of immediate concern. He felt a small moment of relief knowing that his son and Ahriman survived, but that did not mean he would not mourn those who were lost.
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TalOS scanned the paper and gave a small prayer in his faith. As he did so he finally noticed something was amiss among the smells of reality. He quickly recognized the smell and his eyes flashed towards the Emperor and then at a plate that was before them on a table surrounded by chairs.

As reality quickly snapped in his eyes glazed across the room and he knew he was no longer on the Onus Probandi or near Lucius itself. His Noospheric link was quickly snapped into the nearby Mechanicum ship and he was told they were essentially in the middle of no where nearer to Terra.

His connection was not with the immediate ship though and his study showed that of all the structures he was upon TalOS did not have any access to the vessel’s databanks. What he did find was the name of the vessel as it broadcasted it, ‘The Vengeful Spirit’.

+Why are we upon your Flagship?+ TalOS asked as he turned his attention back to his creator.

+I informed your vassals that I will attempt my hand at helping you recover. That I have done the most pressing matter and gave you time.+ The Emperor said simply as he walked over and took a seat on a chair that was perfect for him, +Take this moment to rest and recover your soul, it has been unstable since you succeeded in ripping it from the Warp.+

TalOS walked over to the table, feeling himself hesitate for a moment before sitting down next to his creator. He looked up towards his maker and the man gave a solemn nod, +There is no need for you to worry. The countdown to when you make your discovery will only begin when I leave your presence.+

The Emperor, as he was not in his armor, easily handed to TalOS his portion of the Corpse Starch that was between the two of them. He then picked it up and took a small bite out of it. He looked down upon it like a xenos before shaking his head.

TalOS could not help but give a small chuckle as he saw the reaction, +Were you hoping to experience it like my brothers. You do not possess those organs.+ TalOS pointed out as he took a bit and felt the spirit wash into his gullet.

He watched the giant take in and out a breath as he studied it, +You are correct, it is a meal meant for Astartes and their Sires. The only benefit it holds for humans is that it very nutritious, contrary to the standard of fried foods.+

+You could have put spices in it.+ TalOS pointed out as he lowered his meal, +Then you have enjoyed it more.+

TalOS watched the eyes of the Emperor glaze as a thought went through his mind. He looked upon the meal solemnly in thought, +It has been a long time since I had cooked with Spices. I did not think it a good use of my time when it was made.+

>Keep going with this topic of conversation
>Why now of all times to talk?
>Matters of War and Governance
>Other Topics, I mean its the fucking Emperor you can talk to him!
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>>5511255
>Why now of all times to talk?
>Other Topics, I mean its the fucking Emperor you can talk to him!
Can we talk about the Thousand Sons curse?
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
then later transition to
>talk about the Thousand Sons curse
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
Bonding over cooking with dad time
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
You know what? FUCK IT let's go.
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>>5511255
"The countdown to when you make your discovery" anyone know what discovery this refers to?
Also
>talk about the Thousand Sons curse
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
Let's bond with the Emperor somewhat, so that when we free the Dragon Beneath Mars and kill Horus with it, he won't kill us immediately.
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>>5511303
Countdown as in "you'll die" or "I'll have to kill you" So we have a time limit to resolve our issue
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
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>>5511255
>talk about the Thousand Sons curse
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>>5511395
Oh yea wait I want to add:
>Why now of all times to talk?
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Is the Emperor using the Vengeful Spirit as his personal flagship or just as 'a flagship' in general cause he's near where Horus legion is?
Surprised he's not using the Bucephelus or the Imperator Somnium. Must be under construction.
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>>5511418
The Vengful Spirit WAS the Emperor's Flagship.
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>>5511420
Are you sure, it seems to be Horus's flagship based on the wiki?
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>>5511420
Since when was that? Lorewise iirc the Vengeful Spirit was purpose built for Horus and the Emperor used the Bucephelus early on, before switching to the larger Imperator Somnium.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bucephelus
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperator_Somnium

If the Vengeful Spirit is going to be the Emperor's flagship rather than Horus in this game I'd understand was just checking.
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>>5511458
If its not, well it will be given to Horus as a symbol of him becoming Warmaster, as I am pretty thats what was said in the first book.
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>>5511460
That's not possible because Horus used the Vengeful Spirit during the Ullanor crusade during the battle of Groto, while the Emperor was already on the Imperator Somnium. Which means he had long since switched from the Bucephelus.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Gorro
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>>5511469
My mistake and frankly I think this is cooler.
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>>5511498
Think about it, the Flagship of the Emperor, which once lead the Crusade, given to his son as a symbol of his status, Warmaster! Then the corruption starts.
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>>5511503
>>5511498
Fine by me!

Especially if he followed in the ancient human tradition of fathers "giving your son your old car because you're getting a newer bigger one". One that TalOS might have a hand in helping to build after seeing the shiny golden Phalanx.
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>>5509080
Magus doesn't fall because he doesn't know about chaos the emperor didn't tell him because he knew magnus would think he could conquer or understand it and fall. Magnus fell anyway, he will fall because of his pride and ego. It's shown by vulkan when he kills demon Magnus at the siege of terra.
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>>5511255

>Keep going with this topic of conversation.

"for he had experienced the exact same thing once before several years ago."
Wow, I don't know if we'll survive to see the results of our efforts come to fruition, but just knowing how close to the Emperor we are makes the existence of Tal0S ridiculously ironic.
The most in line with his wishes and the least selfish, being a fucking cultist.
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>>5511503
It also means poor Horus will literally be the last Primarch to receive a flagship basically when the war is almost over.

He'll be living in grand cruisers while the Dark Angel's have at least 3 Glorianas and destroy 2 of them during the xenocides.
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>>5511255
>talk about the Thousand Sons curse
Well at least he hasn’t censored us to death….yet, we might as well ask for a cure for Thousand sons since we own our nephew
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
Lets go into Emps philosophies on the dangers of flavour.
>Other Topics, I mean its the fucking Emperor you can talk to him!
Ask for permission/ knowledge to modify Particeps Semper into a Null Titan
[IMPOSSIBLY LOUD WAR-HORN BLAST]
then we get into a staring competition with the EoT.
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>>5511255
>>5511284
>support
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation


Ask the Emperor if he likes spicy food
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>>5511255
>Keep going talking about food

Why not? Lets speak as creator and created.
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I was mulling over hard thinking about all the things we hoped to talk to the Emperor about way back at the beginning. But then I realize, TalOS has actually answered most of them already even without Big E.

>The History of Terra, the Civilizations of Man's Distant Past and Mankind's origins
UZI is our spelunker of old earth and historian in our stead, probably hangs out a lot with Vulkan the Primarch who spent the most time of the Primarchs on Terra with Malcador.
The existence of evolution is known to the Cult Mechanicus, and we have our Faith it was divinely ordained.
>The nature of the Soul, Pariahs and Psykers, and Perpetuals.
We've invested extensively into this all on our own, even using science to find proof of the soul, and working hard with Malcador have made the Pariah Project a reality. We're going into depths not even Magnus had done and even tried to fix his soul. We don't need to ask about perpetuals like Malcador because we've discovered how to make humans ageless, so UZI and our Parents will never grow old and frail.
>The Great Federation. The Emperor's flagship
Malcador gave us the Codes and legitimacy to the Federation of Old, Dorn has brought in the Phalanx an ancient Federal bastion, and we chose Glavia over any other old world tech like Auramite. QM confirmed the Emperor's flagship in his game will be the Vengeful Spirit. (Maybe we might ask if still plans on upgrading to a bigger ship we can help with once he has chosen his Warmaster, but we need to make Port Maw happen first.)
>Technology and Super Science
The Emperor is busy with the relocation of the Primarchs, but we have already worked hard with Malcador in his research projects. When he decides to appoint a Warmaster, and retreat to Terra for science, it will be Malcador who would vouch on our behalf for the help we provided him.
>Connections to important people and work on the Astartes project
We've met Kelbor Hal and Land and befriended them. Our immortality rejuvenats will attract people like Ezekiel Sedayne. Malcador approved our modifications to the astartes including the attempts to fix the flesh curse, showing the trust they have in us with the Emperor's own handiwork (and once again, shitting on Fulgrim who believes it was perfect without flaw).

Many questions TalOS ended up answering or delegating all on his ownsome, so I'm proud of him.

The only major questions I can think of that remain are dangerous ones. . .like the Dragon. Where it comes from, why he trapped it there, and what he wants with it.
That and technically in canon the Vengeful Spirit's Machine Spirit was a fusion of an astartes half-dead sister and computer, but I get the feeling that's not the case here and he just used a normal cogitator.
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>>5511792
We could still ask about Perpetuals, since they are very much more than just being "Ageless". (Think of them more as being a more variable constant(ie. immortal yet not). They don't really die or disappear in truth, they just either take a longer time to heal themselves due to massive/exotic damage or are spread so far that the time it takes for them to reassemble is best measured in a universal scale.)
So asking about them and how they are born or made would be a worthy question to ask, but most likely not something that Big E would be able to answer.

I think that one major question we could ask without being purged, is what our duty will be after the Great Crusade. As in, will we be scrapped for something else or will we be repurposed (Both things that TalOS would understand and most likely accept, if the Emperor so chose.)
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>>5511255
>Keep going with this topic of conversation
>Other Topics: Ask if he really wanted sons, or just tools to fulfill his dream.
C4R is our father, he raised us. We are still, however, flesh and blood of the Emperor. Malcador said He felt sad when we rejected being his son, and now we sense he is happy that 'one of his kin' still walks the galaxy. But also that we are still of use.

He came to us with food he cooked himself, and checked up on us to make sure we were okay. He offered us condolences for our 19 dead, as he would his custodes.

We didn't get a chance to last time because he left in such a hurry. I'm just curious to hear it from his own mouth, without psychic charms. What is it he wants from us and our brothers. Sons or Means to an End? We would be happy eitherway, as long as it were the truth.

It could be a chance for the Emperor to connect with TalOS at last. As it stands, we're about as distant as Khan was to him.
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>>5511803
The Emperor can make people into perpetuals. It's possible, maybe likely, that's how Malcador became a perpetual. Perpetualism is even transferrable. I'm sure he'd know.

As for what will happen after the Great Crusade, it's a very good point. But generally, I feel like TalOS would just ask if once the entire Galaxy has been secured, he and his people would play a role in the colonization fleets to Andromeda.
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>>5511805
>+Add: His goals after the Great Crusade, our role we and our people can continue to do in it.
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>>5511810
>The Emperor can make people into perpetuals.
Yes he can do that, but the question would be if he understand "Why" they turn out the way they do. As an example, i could easily make an airplane just based on the observations behind current planes, but the plane i make would both be cruder than modern ones and i wouldn't understand the more detailed reasons for "Why" it works (ie. aeroadynamics, fluid dynamics and so on). I believe that is the same for the Emperor; he knows how to make them and some of the generalities of "How" they work, but he doesn't truly understand the deeper "Why" of them. There is a reason why he doesn't just have an army of Perpetuals afterall, because you never want to be reliant on something that you don't fully know or is certain that someone else fully knows and could explain to you.
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>>5511814
A fair point.

The Primarchs are supposed to exemplify specific features of the Emperor, although I'm unawares if they are (without Chaos) meant to surpass them.

Is the Emperor a better defensive expert than Dorn?
Is he a better statesman than Guilliman?
He did beat Russ in a fight.

I do wonder what the Emperor's knowledge level is, and how he compares to us as a scientist. Do we know more than him in some things?
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Actually. . .we have proof as it is. We made headway into fixing the Flesh Change where even the Emperor was stymied.

I guess Primarch's really can surpass him after all.
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>>5511255
>talk about the Thousand Sons curse
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>>5511874
I think that the Emperor and his Primarchs have a very special (and manufactured) relationship to each other.

The Emperor is supposed to be his namesake; The Emperor. He is the main delegating individual and on who's authority, the rest can work with each other without coming into (great) conflict with each other, making sure that all the parts work together for a common goal/good. He is the overall Generalist that knows enough about each subject that he knows who to delegate and what they should be delegated to do.

The Primarchs are the specialist; Each of them being the apex of their own subject, but being (relatively) limited outside of their subjects. Perturabo is a siege specialist (with a focus on logistics/industry) who could rip down worlds, but wouldn't be able to make a culture that would be able to sustain and prosper a planet. Guilliman is an excellent Tactician and Strategist (With a side focus on civil structures), but wouldn't know a specialized hydraulic press from a mechanical press. Each one of them are a master in their field and most likely reasonably competent outside of it, but they wouldn't have the ability or authority that the Emperor has, when it comes to... well, everything except their specialization.


Also, the Primarchs started out as an attempt to create "Artificial Perpetuals", but Emps very much failed in that aspect. Oh sure, they heal quickly and surpass humans in nearly every aspect, but they aren't really immortal like Perpetuals are. So my best guess is that he went "Fuck it!" and just added weird shit to see if it would work, examples being: Russ (wolf = Why?), Beltcher gland (Why would they need to spit acid? How did you think that was a good idea), Omopheaga (Cannibalism.... cool.) and much more, all just to make *Something* that he could use.
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>>5511956
He succeeded with Vulkan. Whether that was intentional or not remains to be seen.
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>>5511792
>We don't need to ask about perpetuals like Malcador because we've discovered how to make humans ageless, so UZI and our Parents will never grow old and frail.
... when
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>>5511987
It was a throw-away comment by the QM relating to the combination of cybernetics and cheap/effective rejuvenations leading to effective biological immortality
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>>5511989
It's not even throw-away, it's actually a thing the non-compliant planet rejected.
>"They did not accept the chance at eternal life"

I wager this is of course, reserved for the ultra elites
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>>Ask him about chronomancy.

It's one of our gifts from the Machine God.
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Why now? & Thousand Sons
>>5511262
>>5511395


Keep the Topic going
>>5511284 - TS
>>5511736 - TS
>>5511288
>>5511302
>>5511307
>>5511353
>>5511713
>>5511733 - Null
>>5511755
>>5511773
>>5511805 - Goals for the Crusade

TS Curse
>>5511303
>>5511951

Chronomancy
>>5512169

Seems like a lot want the TSons and most want to Keep the Topic. I will do both I think.
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TalOS took a few seconds to correlate his thoughts, +I can see why you would think that. It is an Opportunity Cost of whether you take a few minutes to make a pleasure just for yourself. I personally would not benefit from it so you decided to sacrifice your own enjoyment for it.+

There was a mix of a frown and a smile that seemed to describe only some of the emotions that the Emperor displayed, +You are correct. There is no need to keep such luxuries for myself when they are not needed. In addition, every second of my time can be used towards future goals and aspirations.+

He watched the Emperor think for a moment, sort of like a mimic of what TalOS did. It was not like Tech Priest taking in his thoughts but a man who was reflecting upon his own actions, +It was something so trivial that I did not consider it worth my time. That is the answer that I present to you.+

+One that I feel was filled with a great amount of thought.+ TalOS agreed as he gave a firm nod of understanding, +Do you regret it?+

+No.+ The Emperor said simply as he took a bite out of the meal. It was a simple and straight answer, one that showed that he was indeed the sire of Rogal Dorn. He looked upon TalOS and studied his son for a moment, +What would you have done?+

TalOS did not need to think as he spoke next, +I would only indulge myself when the need comes for it. Rest is an essential component even if one does what they enjoy and the application of small joys are enough to bring that about. It is reasonable, as I have organized meals without the cooked Corpse Starch even if that is my favorite of meals.+

That was a good answer, TalOS realized, as he looked upon a faint grin upon his creator’s face, +We all must make sacrifices for the greater good of humanity. They can be either small or large. What matters is whether they are worth it.+

+Of how much did you spend, and will it be worth it?+ TalOS asked his creator with a firmness and confidence he always held.

The Emperor looked upon TalOS closely now. As he did TalOS could feel his person and soul being scanned for what it was. He was being read by a Psyker, but it was not reading his mind but the limitations of his new abilities.

Then, for a second, TalOS noticed something within his creator’s face. TalOS did not need his abilities to know the truth was spoken when he said, “I cannot say, for I do not know.”
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TalOS saw as the Emperor spoke those words that they troubled him deeply. They were words of someone who knew they were true and were not trying to hide them. Was the reason his words were said because he could not see the true future? How could someone like him state such a thing to TalOS of all his brothers?

+Why would you say that?+ TalOS allowed his confusion to show as he felt something shaken within him, +And to me, why?+

+You know the reasons why.+ The Emperor said as he looked upon his son with a sense of presence that TalOS did not know before, +You know what we fight and you are taking measures against them. That is the reason you became what you are, to defend yourself against their influnce.+

TalOS’s eyes widened as he looked upon his creator, +Malcador told you…+

The Emperor gave a solemn nod as he picked up the flesh and examined it, +You know of the fight we fight. You know the reason we fight it. It is their defeat that we seek and I cannot see if it works. The future is an ever present battle between my powers and them, for we both reach for the strands of fate.+

+As you do not hold them, you do not know the outcome?+

The Emperor gave a solemn nod to those words, +I hold the strands currently, but they are building their strength. If they find me wanting they will make their play. The best I can do is set the board against them on the outset.+

That was a hard concept to realize as TalOS heard those words. Even Malcador, who was the most ancient and powerful man that the Primarch had known, did not speak of those beings as equals. The Emperor however does. He was a man measuring himself against gods and found them to be true rivals.

+Then you are well aware of their power.+ TalOS proposed to make sure there was sanity within his creator.

+I am.+ He set forth with certainty that cannot be ignored, +I am well aware they play games among the Legions already.+

+The Thousand Sons.+

The Emperor nodded as he heard the name, +They are one such Legion.+
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It was hard to describe the feelings that TalOS was experiencing right now. His Creator, who has hence before been a distant figure to him, was speaking about crucial things that someone of his rank should not display. He was seeing TalOS as a confidant that should be talked to.

He had not explained why yet, but he will. That much the Pariah knew.

+Why have you not been able to stop the infection? I saw that the infection was spread from their psykers so we might have been able to cull their number. That is, unless it comes from the Changer himself.+

The Emperor nodded at those words and spoke, +That is because the source lies outside the Legion. It is indeed the one you speak of.+

TalOS gave a small nod as he understood what was said, +I will be away from his sons now for my recovery, so my brother will be on his own. Does he know of this?”

+He was aware of it the moment he met his sons.+ The Emperor explained as he gave a slight nod, +I have warned him to be careful and that he should take it slowly. In time proximity with his person will stabilize the Geneseed and help defend it from outsider predation. He will have time and Malcador to answer any immediate questions he will have. I see a path for him where Magnus builds wards to defend his sons from their damnation, thus saving them.+

+That is just one reality though.+ TalOS pointed out with a sense of trepidation.

+The other is that your brother goes against my warnings and pays a price for it. He will be lucky for that time for it will only cost him Foresight.+ The Emperor explained as he looked upon TalOS closely, +If it comes to that, we must try our best to give him what he lost.+

+So you will allow him this choice? To allow him to damn himself?+ TalOS asked in fear.

To those words the Emperor looked upon TalOS with a form that showed complete understanding. Such understanding was comparable to the images of Gods that the Ancients described as perfect.

+I have given you that choice, and you succeeded. It is his turn now.+ The Emperor said flatley.

At that moment TalOS realized that he was but one piece on a chessboard. And the Emperor had allowed him to be played perfectly.

>I cannot agree with this
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
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>>5512440
I'll be honest, this update might be the most risky update I have yet written. What I want to say before anyone bitches is you gotta remember that Emps sees All Futures, unlike Curze who sees the bad and Sanguinious who sees the good. He sees both and all futures.

And anyways, a lot of this stuff being talked now TalOS will learn once he starts playing with Chronomancy. Technically this is a real spoiler but its to help make sense of this sutation: While the Emperor cannot see Future TalOS, he can see his actions in the future. TalOS will know when the Horus Heresy starts because his Chronomancy will alert him to a sudden uptick in Chaos followed by a blank out as Orikan the Diviner also suffers from that limit as well. Motive Force based Chronomancy does not fair well against Chaos and the Warp, as it becomes blind by improbability.
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>>5512444
I will point out that this is the reason GW does not write the Emperor much and why I don't write him much. He is the center of 40k and anything written about him is basically writing a new testament to the Bible that all Christians will take look at and debate over. It is, far and beyond, fucking dangerous.
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>>5512440
>I cannot agree with this

>I will request Magnus allow me to continue working on his sons.
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>>5512440
>I cannot agree with this
>"Father, do you know when I discovered the existence of the parasites? it was when i devoured the corpse of a plastoid. What I remember most about that experience was what that thing said after i rejected his fake blessings “Tsk, do not think you have gotten away from me this time Child. And if I cannot have you, I am sure to have your brothers."
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>>5512440
>I cannot agree with this
Can we at least ask Magnus about this first? We still must have the right to offer help to him at least, if he refuses then it’s his decision
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
>But i will help him and advise him, so long as he wants me too.

Don't take away a man's choice, for it is the most important thing to him.
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>>5512524
Support
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>>5512440
>I cannot agree with this
I think TalOS would be opposed to the posibility of more Warp shananaigans with the TS.
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>>5512440
>>5512524
Support

>>5512489
"What I remember most about that experience was what that thing said after i rejected his fake blessings “Tsk, do not think you have gotten away from me this time Child. And if I cannot have you, I am sure to have your brothers.""
Great point. If we had to let tzeentch have one primarch, if not Magnus' then who?
How about we stitch up tzeentch to take lil bro Conrad (very meta)
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>>5512455

You still did a great job, I didn't vote for anything for example in the previous one because I was interested in all topics, because as you say MC speak to the EMPEROR. The way you captured him like workaholic with no time or emotions to spare too is perfect for my image of emperor as well. So I wouldn't even vote this time too because both outcomes will be interesting to watch.
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>>5512440

>I cannot agree with this.
Good job boss this update was one of the best. Wow these choices are very complex but the consequences are very very unbalanced.
So I vote with the intention that, there is a limit to how far Tal0S can go, that's the limit of how much he can sacrifice. Even if it makes him less powerful it will make him more saSuane
So on behalf of the few free choices our chrome pawn can have, I say no.
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
>Though I will continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother, I promised that much to him to see this through to the end.

And if Magnus Fails I will be prepared to save his legion.
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
>You can't force success on others. You can prepare yourself to succeed in the event others fail.
The Techpriest way is to anticipate all statistical outcomes, and prepare for all of them.
We aren't our brothers keepers. We can only advise, and pray they choose logic and reason.
Like the non-compliant planet. You can make dire warnings, offer the greatest incentives. But only they can make the choice for salvation or damnation.
What we can, should, and must do is prepare for the events in which they fail.

As the Emperor said, "set the board against them".
I think this is it guys.
I think this is one of those moments where QM throws us the line on which Primarch to try and save, of those who we maybe can.
I'm on the fence if it should be Magnus or someone else. But in any case, I don't think forcing his choice is answer.
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While we all wait for QM to close the vote, here is something to spend the time on
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
>Though I will continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother, I promised that much to him to see this through to the end
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>I cannot agree with this
>Though I will continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother, I promised that much to him to see this through to the end
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
>Though I will continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother, I promised that much to him to see this through to the end.
We are a good uncle
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance
>Be prepared for whatever outcome may happen
>Continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother
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>>5512440
>Yes, you are right. Give him his chance.
Add:
>"Father, do you know when I discovered the existence of the parasites? it was when i devoured the corpse of a plastoid. What I remember most about that experience was what that thing said after i rejected his fake blessings “Tsk, do not think you have gotten away from me this time Child. And if I cannot have you, I am sure to have your brothers."

>Though I will continue to work with Ahriman to save his brother, I promised that much to him to see this through to the end.
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>>5512765
If we cant save Magnus I definetly wanna save Rimanah Ahriman
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>>5512440
>>5512664
supporting
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To those who keep typing support, green text it.
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>>5512887
Let me try to help
>>5512528
>>5512567
>>5512884
Greentext it anon
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>>5512884
>>5512440
>>5512664

>supporting

ah crap, forgot
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>>5512440
>>5512524
> support
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I cannot agree
>>5512474
>>5512489
>>5512506
>>5512565
>>5512660
>>5512719

You are correct
>>5512524
>>5513093
>>5512664
>>5512897
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>>5512738
>>5512765

If this was counted at the wrong time the Anons who did not pay attention to the rules would have been fucked.
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TalOS weighed what was told to him in thought. To weigh the scales and look at the greater scale of things that was happening. To that TalOS had to mention one thing, +When I first met our enemies they tempted me, and why denied, they swore they shall have my brothers. Is that what is occurring?+

The Emperor gave a long, solemn nod as he gave the affirmation to TalOS. There were no words spoken for he must have known that speaking those words would invite ruin to the entire concept of the Great Crusade.

His objective was clear to TalOS now. As the Crusade Continues the Emperor will play his cards in such a way that the table it set against Chaos. If he did not do this, in an attempt to secure himself headway, then the Traitors will come from any direction that he does not expect.

It was a risky bet against four beings of equal power to himself. A risky bet for the fate of the Galaxy and the future.

Being a pawn in these schemes TalOS had to wonder about the Machine God in all this. He was real and ever present, but only to the Martians on one occasion did the acknowledgement of the Machine God being made by the Emperor.

To this was the Emperor’s certainty in TalOS’s loyalty. And where would he be wrong, the Mechanicum seeks only knowledge and while temporal power is to its benefit does not fit the overall goal. TalOS knew, for there was no reason to call it a simple suspicion, that he holds some sort of relationship to the Machine God.

He finally declared, +I understand and support you on your path Emperor.+

The Emperor could no longer read TalOS for they were anathema to one another, but the Emperor’s experience with people must have been so good that he read TalOS with ease. He gave a knowing smile to support this. Then it became drawn out only to fade as knowledge came to him, +Know that what happens from here onwards will be of sacrifices.+

TalOS shook his head as he took a bite of his meal, +Sacrifices will need to be made so that we at least have a future.+

The Emperor gave a nod as he finished his own meal.
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As they finished eating TalOS could not hold his tongue for much longer, +There is one request I wish to make. I have given my word to Azekh Ahriman that I would cure his brother of the Flesh Change. In the state I am now, I should be able to remove what makes the flesh change flow through his brother.+

+Ahriman is at the side of his Father, do you wish to disturb them in this time of trial?+ The Emperor asked as he looked upon TalOS with firm questioning.

+My solution is a stopgap measure. It is not a cure. What you desire of Magnus will still happen for he will will not enjoy my solution.+ TalOS answered his creator firmly.

+You wish to use your power to save one soul, however much you can salvage of it.+ The Emperor described TalOS’s intentions in a way to taste the words within his mouth, +Do you wish to do this with the permission of Magnus, or covertly?+

+As I listen to your words, it will be with his permission.+ TalOS answered with conviction.

The Emperor nodded as he stared off in the direction of Terra. While not seen, TalOS could feel the beam of psychic energy which must have connection with some far off person. Such communication would have been impossible, but the man before TaloS was the Emperor of Mankind.

Being a witness to his creator’s face, TalOS watched as the Emperor of Mankind seemed to have aged a few days in a single moment. His face became slightly sunken and his eyes were lowering. The man was now staring out into another direction with vision that saw so far away.

+He has rejected your proposal.+ The Emperor said simply as he looked upon TalOS once more, +We will watch him, but do not take any actions until I say. His fate still hangs in the balance of the Universe and to mention it to him will only drive him the other direction.+

Thus the words were clear. If TalOS ostracized his brother it will guarantee his turning towards the forces they fight. TalOS, if they are to somehow succeed, need to welcome him if there is any chance of saving him.

Will he do so, the Primarch could not say. Not yet. For as the Emperor said there was only a chance of it working, it was not guaranteed.
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As they finished that discussion the Emperor studied TalOS with a keen eye, +Your soul is stabilized, you will have your time now.+

A definitive declaration of their conversation’s end, +Your words have been enlightening.+ TalOS answered the Emperor as he rose from the chair.

+Illumination is the goal of the Imperium. If we cannot give it to our generals, then there is no point.+ The Emperor declared as he stood his full height above TalOS.

+As are the Mechanicum’s. Even if our ideas of illumination are different the result is the same. The next coming of the Human Race.+

With those words TalOS started making his way up towards the tomb that he made for himself. After all, it was reasonable not to waste any of his precious time when the real research starts on his way home. As he allowed himself a moment’s comfort TalOS looked upon the Emperor for one last time.

>Until we meet again.
>Good bye, Father
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
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>>5513195
>Until we meet again... My Creator.
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
with a faint smile,
its not so bad when you actually talk to us eh big E?
On another not meeting with Magnus will be interesting im looking forward to it.
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father

I think he deserves a proper Goodbye Father from a son who isn't a TOTAL dickhead.
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
"Ill fuck them up for you, old man"
Make the symbol of the Aquila over our chests, have give a little wink.
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>Goodbye Father.

Intimacy is a good place to build trust.
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
Damn it Magnus why you got to be like that, oh well I hope with some information we gathered will help a bit, I hope our nephew doesn’t feel bad about it as well
While the emperor doesn’t see us as his son just tools we might as well act as his trusted tool
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>>5513195
>Good bye, Father
Though we layer in Steel and Mesh
We are still His Blood and Flesh

Really glad this was an option. We may be distant for many reasons, but we are still at our core, human.
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>>5512678
EVERYONE IS A HERETIC
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>>5513195
>>Good bye, Father
DO THE MECHANICUM HAND SIGN DO IT MOTHERFUCKER DO IT TALOS DO IT DO IT DO IT
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>>5513677
YOU'RE GODDAMN FUCKING RIGHT THEY ARE!! THEY'RE ALL ALPHARIUS!
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>>5513718
No, Alpharius is under the left Titan's right fun wearing sunglasses.
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>>5513719
That's just what Alpharius wants you to believe!
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Good bye, Father
>>5513202
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>>5513514
>>5513541
>>5513680
>>5513311

Until we meet again, creator
>>5513206
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I don't know if anyone can confirm for me, but I believe a vote a while back ruled that Fabricator General will be elected by the Priests, correct?
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>>5514263
Yes, T4L0S could've declared himself fab general but chose to not to. Then he rigged the fuck out of the election
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+Until we meet again, Father.+ TalOS said as he gave the Emperor the sign of the Cog.

TalOS watched his Father’s face and saw that it grew a thin smile of affection. Said words were as good an affirmation for the Emperor as anything else that could have been declared by TalOS. He gave the sign of the Aquilla to his son, then reached for the activation lever.

+Great trials will be ahead of us TalOS. Continue your preperations.+ With those words the Emperor flipped the switch and the reality that was before TalOS shifted.

He was not upon the Vengeful Spirit, the walls were of a blackened steel color. Around him what was once decorations were gone and replaced with numerous racks of tools for TalOS’s pleasure to use. Taking his eye about the place he noted the numerous projects that were lined up, including the one that involved time manipulations that was once before a failure.

He was home, in his workshop.

TalOS tapped into the Noospheric Network which surrounded the entire planet of Lucius. Here he could see all manners of interactions and workings that his authority as Fabricator General allowed him. Such knowledge was at his fingertips and TalOS easily reviewed all that happened.

Overall TalOS was gone for one year, in the time of his absence the operations of the Parliament was what acted in his stead. It was a sort of risky play, but it was one to see what the situation was when he would be gone.

Examination showed that it was ultimately Arch Magos ADM1N who took over the planet and the Federation when he was gone. TalOS knew the man to be the most ambitious on the High Council of Lucius, in addition to this he was honestly the most qualified.

TalOS looked into his messages to send a message to his Regent, but found that ADM1N had already sent him a message. Looking it over TalOS saw an entire docket of Manufactorium productions as well as a report for the ever-going expansion. These, as well as all other reports, did not show any sign of forgery.

In addition to that were the laws and legislation related to the Parliament. There was nothing major, no power grabs by the man who was his regent, which only caused TalOS’s opinion to be raised.

The Fabricator General quickly got things settled back into motion and did the fixes that were needed. All while sending a message of thanks to the Magos with the promise that when he recovers, TalOS will meet with him personally to deliver another thanks.
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Once the bureaucracy was settled down and his authority restored to its full luster, TalOS turned himself towards his assembly of machines and projects. So many machines were discovered here from the enlightenment that TalOS gained from the Machine God’s own wisdom. Glory was here, and likely a means for him to recover.

As he did so he felt a communication coming in, and so he accepted it with a smile.

TalOS: It has been too long.

UZ1: It has been too long, your sons had thought you died somewhere in space and they all went looking for you. In the chaos, ADM1N and my Mother held the reigns of the Federation together long enough for the message of your safety to reach us.

TalOS: It is good they stepped up. Such an experiment I took because I saw a chance that could not be delayed. I ask for forgiveness in leaving Lucius without a true guiding hand for a time.

UZ1: You do not need to say that! We are alive, and with you back we will be able to restart all operations. I have the understanding that you met with the Emperor on the way here?

TalOS: You are correct. My Father had intercepted my vessel and rejuvenated my soul. For the time I am stable, but I shall need to devote all my time to research.

UZ1: Is it safe to be near you?


TalOS held off on answering that question as he tested out his hands and soul. Right now he was not feeling terrible amounts of hunger, and being of the Forge World TalOS felt a subtle amount of psychic energy flowing into his body as background energy flowed to his soul, where there was the least amount of psychic energy.

Just so subtly he could feel it. It was no where near what it was and TalOS knew he had several months before the day came, but he knew that it was coming.

TalOS: It is not. Keep the Quarantine active.

UZ1: I will do so. I will also send in a puppeted Servitor to operate as your assistant. I cannot be there in person, but it will be close.

TalOS: Do so


TaloS sent the last message with an ever growing grin.
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The time between their discussion and the Servitor’s arrival was spent cleaning up his workshop. As TalOS had declared no person with the exception of UZ1 were allowed into the room, which because she was busy keeping the Manufactoriums active meant that the Workshop had gained a small dusting on all surfaces.

This was easily remedied with a blower and laser. TalOS activated a few Servo-Skulls that he personally operated and had them take care of the places that he could not immediately reach without equipment.

While some of the machines rubbed surfaces clean TalOS kept himself busy with the las-cleaner. Based on the Las-Gun, this cleaning device was able to shear off all material that gathered into a puff of evaporated waste. He enjoyed watching as surfaces were cleaned bare by the red beams that hit them.

In the middle of this UZ1’s Surrogate arrived with the machine giving a small bow upon seeing TalOS. The Fabricator General handed off his machine to a Servo-Skull, which went up into the rafters to destroy any mutant bird or pest that thought it was clear enough to roost.

+Well UZ1, I have a few options that we can look into.+ TalOS declared as he looked around the room and pointed at the place where the Psi-Candles were created, +I believe the most practical is the Psi-Candles, but I do not know whether it will be effective enough to keep me full. It is the more guaranteed option to get some result.+


+That would be, but that uses the Warp. Are there material world measures we can use, maybe a Soul Repository or that the Motive Force would contain some secrets?+ The Servitor spoke in UZ1’s voice in a rough manner. While this was the highest grade of Servitors at their call, no servitor had the same augmetics as a Priest.

+Soul collection is not out of the way. I will not consume humans, but I know for a Fact that Xenos Species possess souls that will be edible. I fear that it will take a few dozen of them every few months to keep me sustained, but it could be done.+ TalOS admitted as he turned towards the Time manipulation machine, +Lastly, we take another attempt at the Motive Force. It would be risky, but it can be done.+

>Psi-Feeders
>Farming them Xenos!
>Time shenanigans
>Other ideas
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>>5514321
>Time shenanigans
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>>5514321
>Time shenanigans
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>>5514321
> Farm them Xenos
Food system first.
> Other
Say out loud: "I know your there alpharius"
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>>5514321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGSzBXKONo
mmmm lammser
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>>5514321
>Other ideas
Psi pylons
Scaled up version of a psi candle but vehicle sized
If that idea is ridiculous then
>Psi-Feeders
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>>5514321
Consuming xenos sounds risky. Even though as a blank chaos won't be able to directly pull shit up, as experienced already, T4L0S is fed emotions and memories when consuming the souls. I believe he won't fall in disarray thanks to his devotion (and that time he schooled tzeentch when he used his omophagea on the plastoids) but after the millionth ALIEN soul he consumes, I fear he will become quirky and hard to work with. And in this setting one bureucratic error is all what it takes to doom a planet of billions.

Psy-candles would increase background warp signatures by too much, even if all the soulstuff juice goes to feed T4L0S' soul. A little counter-productive if you ask me.

Damn, we only have one option left and that is TO GO BALLS DEEP
>Time shenanigans
But we now have to explore how can time help his soul to continue existing
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>>5514321
>>Other ideas
>Artificial way to generate Null Energies to sustain Talos (Ygma Monolith)
I want Time Shenanigans too, but maybe being able to feed TalOS through machines and blackstone rather than xenos souls would be even more useful. Saves us from having to keep eating Xenos all the time.

We've learned how null energy can be created organically via Pariahs. Now it's time to up our game and learn how they can be harnessed artificially. Truly this would please the Machine God even more than just eating organics.
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>>5514517
What is created from Blackstone and Pariahs are two different forces. Anyways, you want Technomancy to be the source.
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>>5514517
>Switch to Technomancy
Alright QM.

Technomancy is one of our other powers anyway. Orikan mentions that all his time stuff takes vast amounts of energy. Understanding the source first before time powers could be useful.
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>>5514321
>Time shenanigans
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Meme vote:
>Changing my vote to constructing the Sigma Monolith
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>>5514321
>Technomancy
The other options just treat symptoms. Go to the source.
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>>5514535
I'll switch to
>Technomancy
But if there is a tie between it and other options, please still count the chronomancy vote.
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>>5514321
> Technomancy
Might as well contact our sons as well since they think we are dead, we should be a good father to them
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>>5514321
> Technomancy
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>>5514321
>Technomancy
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>>5514321
> Farm them Xenos

Like in any strategy game - food supply first. I don't think that there exist a technology that would keep TalOS fed, because nulls comes from Necrons. And necrons themselves never bothered with creating technology that would provide sustenance to their lab rats.
So we need to research it first and then practice. A month is too short and with experiments and extersion that time may even be shortened.
Conclusion: Build additional supply route!
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I'm curious to find out the differences between Blackstone Null and Pariah Gene Null force, which hopefully Technomancy might enlighten us too. The pariah in Emperor's Legion mentioned it felt like they were kindred souls with a large shard of blackstone. The forces may be different, but I do believe that at least the power source could be harnessed. We won't know unless we try.

In any case, feeding off xenos is disgusting and non-sustainable. It's also counter productive to our long term goals. Most xenos with psychic souls are the ones we want to exterminate in the Great Crusade. Maybe we can find Necromunda and learn to farm some delaque Psychoteric Worms and Pisceans, dumb psychic beasts used for their psychic-servitors. But that still reeks of admitting defeat that we can never truly separate ourselves from feeding off the Warp.

The Necrons planned for organics to survive the separation from the Warp, so that they could eventually harness biomancy and become flesh again. This would surely include the Pariah's because they would never brook becoming psykers having a hatred of the warp. Have faith that the Machine God could allow us to escape this Weakness of Flesh. You would never see a true Cryptek consuming souls for juice.
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>>5514321
>Technomancy
No sir I do not want to rely on eating xenos or men. We should feed off the motive force.
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>>5514321
>Technomancy
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>>5514321
>Technomancy
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>>5493728
We need more prompts
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Time Shenanigans
>>5514326
>>5514337
>>5514440

Farm Xenos
>>5514421
>>5514779

Psi Feeder
>>5514433

Technomancy
>>5514528
>>5514555
>>5514542
>>5514578
>>5514670
>>5514745
>>5514877
>>5514880
>>5514940

I would have thought harvesting the flow of time would have been cool, but I can work with Technomancy. You all should understand that this will put TalOS on the Path of Technomancy before Chronomancy.
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>>5515314
>I would have thought harvesting the flow of time
Ooooh.... I did wondered out loud how could've used chronomancy to fuel his soul but it seems no one had an idea (or read the post) That made remember Discworld, book Mort.
>Death has a grandfather clock with a scythe that slices time in manageable bits.
One principle of energy usage is delta. A difference between two states is used to generate force, which can be employed in powering stuff. If point A in time is before point B in time, then the difference can be harvested for soulstuff. I would imagine a precise device that keeps a constant and time makes it go forward... Some sort of circular wrist-mounted device that has gauges which rotate on an axis in the middle... HMMM...
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>>5515314
We need the juice first and feeding on men or xenos just doesnt sit well with me.
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>>5515314
While eating souls is a very Void dragon thing, Xeon's being farmed is a major resource sink.
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>>5515378
One would argue eating cosmic energy is also Void Dragon like.
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>>5515380
Hence the Technomancy.
Souls and Xenos are an inferior way to feed than the true source of universal energies!

You'd never ever see Orikan stoop to eating souls or xenos
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>>5515395
He specifically ate a C'Tan Shard in 'Infinte & the Divine'.
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TalOS focused upon the time manipulation machine in thought. His eyes focused upon it in an attempt to gain some form of understanding from it. Indeed he wanted to try and feel the Motive Force, but was that where TalOS would feel the Motive Force?

His mind went back towards what his brother Ferrus Manus said. That he should be studying the rituals of the Machine God for they held the secrets that he sought.

+It is a long shot.+ TalOS told UZ1 as he straightened his posture, +But the Motive Force flows most prevalently in machines. The Machine God gains his might from the Machines, so surely I can as well.+

+How will you do that?+ The notice of concern was transmitted to TalOS as UZ1 spoke those words.

TalOS walked about the workshop in a ponderance. It was a simple ponderance that the most basic of humans would engage themselves in. It was a motion that allowed the blood to circulate and increase the amount of Oxygen that was within the brain. TalOS did not need this, but he felt like doing the motions anyways.

He then realized it, +My connection to Particep Semper is still there. It is a connection granted to me through the Motive Force itself. Now that I do not have the Warp I feel the Titan next to me at all times and far more intimately. What sustains his spirit, if I learn of it, will sustain my soul.+

+Particep Semper is open and able to be interacted with no contact with Servitor Personnel.+ UZ1 declared as she sent TalOS a schedule, +There will be times when the Priests must arrive to continue maintenance, but that will be for only a few hours a week with your precense.+

+Good.+ TalOS said as he began marching his way, +I will make my way over.+

With those words TalOS started walking with sureness within his step. As is the will of the Machine God.
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The hangar was depopulated of people, with only the stray machine walking about to make sure that there were no intruders. Each of them were a tad bit slower than normal as TalOS’s sheer presence was enough to influence their scrubbed minds.

TalOS did not need to be on the Throne Mechanicum to continue his research. There was a risk whenever one activates a Titan and TalOS knew that this risk was present far more now than before. He could operate the Imperator Titan on his own, but what would happen in this state he does not know.

Thus he went about the Titan and committed himself to ritual. Maintenance and work which allowed him a series of tastes for the Titan.

He could feel it now, the ever changing spirit that was Particep Semper. The Motive Force in the most primal sense was motion of parts and mechanics, but in its greater forms it became the concept of electricity.

That is what the Motive Force was. The motions of the universe. From the simplest lasgun to entire planets it was the Motive Force which was carried through all of them. It was machines though that allowed man to harvest what could be achieved from the flow of reality.

Holy Oils would be burned in the engine or in Particep Semper’s case the use of reactors. Thus TalOS was within the reactors that he once blessed Particep Semper in. He remembered his Youth easily, seeing the time when he committed a ritual of repair to the Titan that fixed a part of its framework.

It took him several months to reach this point and lessons that needed to be learned. Even as he was a Princep there were a great many things that eluded sight. Such as the sensory framework and the guns themselves were closer to mystery to him until he began the rituals of maintenance upon them.

It was during this work that TalOS noticed something odd. That he lost all feeling to sleep and attempts to induce sleep were alluding him. So he continued his work without issue, the feeling of sleep only coming to him as the hunger pains began to quake. As slow as they came though they left as TalOS held but the hunger that was within his body.

TalOS soon kneeled before the Plasma Reactors and gave a prayer.
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Rituals that involved the reactors were old and lengthy for TalOS to commit to. Prayer and care all needed to be made lest Particep Semper become that little bit more restless. Such restlessness, when interacting with the Reactors, was dangerous as they could fully awaken the slumbering Machine Spirit.

Incense, the sweet smell of incense, went through his senses and embraced TalOS. To do something so menial and yet so grand, TalOS missed the days that he could do this. Those days had come to an end though. Now TalOS needed to delegate tasks for he was but a single man. Now delegation itself had its own rewards to his consciousness, but that was how TalOS’s mind was programmed. Here, it was TalOS’s way of life that gave him this pleasure.

For the prayer that TalOS was making, he was before the reactor for several hours reciting scripture and burning the incense. While this was lengthy, this was also mandatory for the Machine itself did not function without the prayer.

When singing a Canticle, many times there are not words that are spoken but something far closer to music. There was meaning within the music that the Mechanicum understood, no others however were able to tap into such an understanding.

In the middle of his verses, where there was no specific note to show it, TalOS felt something shift.

The clicking of a wire. TalOS felt it move as his connection to Particep Semper was the closest he was able to make it. Such things occasionally happened when one made these prayers as it was seen as the Machine repairing itself. But as TalOS said those notes he felt something flow through him.

It was understood that this was the Motive Force and that the Rituals that the Mechanicum brought to bear were to help the Machine Spirit organize this primal force. Things that advanced machines are able to do but need the prompting of man to encourage their operation. It is comparable to TalOS’s nanomachines, where they repair his body due to programming and not directly from the Motive Force.

Here though TalOS felt something go through him. And in that second he began to study those lyrics and notes to see what was there.
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With every movement TalOS knew he was getting closer and closer to his goal. Ritual after ritual he committed and each of them were done to their perfection. Sometimes the machines would repair themselves, such as the re-oiling of joints or cleaning, but as TalOS worked he felt the shift in the Motive Force and a single wire would move into place.

It was a simple wire in a hallway, one which was a redundancy for the communications grid which covered the entire Titan. TalOS approached it and examined the socket to see if there was a magnet or wire and noted that there was a magnetic force there.

Was that standard?

As he researched he noticed that the magnetic force was drained away and was eventually gone.

Again, the movement of wires was not an out there concept. A Tech Priest would place into his body a series of activators and systems that forced immediate repair of systems. For wiring, it can be moved with carefully calculated frequency or energization that gives it movement.

And TalOS noted that was exactly what happened to that wire.

What flowed through him then? Studying the records TalOS saw there was a slight increase of electrical flow that do not correlate with the result. There was no reason for the two to have correlation. Yet TalOS’s attention did not leave it.

Study continued for weeks, with TalOS purposefully taking apart the wire and recommitting himself to the ritual. There he felt it, as his arms moved through the air they caught the slightest movement of electricity and began to cascade.

The Motive Force flowed through all things. Everything in the Universe was connected through a network of cause and effect. In knowing this there was reason for there to be souls and it was not because of the Warp. If that was true, then why does the universe reject the warp so much?

The warp might not be what made souls but be made of them. The lowest thinking lifeform, while little to no presence within the warp, if slaughtered in the trillions are enough to make the Warp what it is today. They are fuel that allow thinking beings like man to think who which create greater concepts of reality such as Daemons and their Gods.

As the Machine repaired itself through the Motive Force, TalOS must track down the start of this cascade through life. To do that, he needed to study this effect far more.

>Focus on Repair
>Augmentation is where it shall be
>Sheer power.
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>>5515406
>Augmentation is where it shall be
Not making it too strong but also not just putting it back to how it was
Also, I would love to eat a Moon's velocity and crash it into the planet it orbits
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
Just outheal the damage
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
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>>5515401
I know that. But eating a god doesn't count!

Even if that shard of the god eats souls
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>>5515406
>Sheer power.
ENERGY

We need that energy source, our soul must feed
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>>5515406
>>Augmentation is where it shall be
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>>5515406
>>Sheer power.
WE DIVE INTO LUCIUS HEART
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. This is the TIME we've been waiting for brothers
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>Augmentation is where it shall be
A techpriest's greatest strength is the modular flexibility of his chassis.
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>picking any other option but diving into Lucius's star core
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
If we can’t beat them just out heal them like the chad that we are
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
Talos Harmacist arc let's go.
Jokes aside, I'd like to see Talos breaking the Primarch mold and becoming the best support.
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>>5515549
How would >Power help us do that?
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>>5515406
>Sheer power.
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>>5515549
>Lucius's star core

I wonder... Could we connect ourselves to the star itself? It is, in a certain point of view, just a great fusion reactor that produces light and energy; ie. it is just a machine, but made grand.

If we could do that, might we not be able to siphon of a small fraction of that energy to feed ourselves?

>>5515406
>Write;in: Connect to the SUN like we do with Particep
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
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>>5515406
>Focus on repair

It's what we want. Self sufficient feasting
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Am I mistaken and Repair is the one most closest to getting us to not have to eat souls?
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>>5515748
Connecting to the sun to feed of energy might actually work, given that's how the C'tan originally lived.
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>>5515406

Being able to survive without dependence on external equipment is much more interesting.
>Focus on repair
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>>5515690
throw enough galaxies at something and the problem fixes itself. I understand you are faint of heart and are afraid of too much energy.

Unrelated, I was talking to a friend who is just now entering warhammer stuff and I told him the story of T4L0S D4V1S and his second legion. How he killed demons through digital means and how he saved Xana from the warp's influence. I didn't get to tell him the cooler stuff like Particep Sempter howe.ver...
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>>5516050
TalOS Davis is a mighty Techsorcist indeed!
Who needs the Ecclesiarchy, when you've got the Mechanicum?
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>>5515406
>Sheer Power
>UNLIMITED POOOOWER

Also, QM, just wanted to know, what do you think about running a Konrad Curze quest at some point? Because I want to see some loyalist Konrad, and by the way the rest of the thread looks like, he is not going to be the one we convince to change sides.
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>>5516153
Sorry man but I will not be following up this quest with another 40k one at least for a year. If I was, I would honestly run a Imperial Knight Quest since there is little literature around them. Honestly though I am more tempted to go Warhammer Fantasy and make a Bretonnia Quest. A rags to riches sort of story where a Peasant does a heroic deed and goes on a quest to become a Grail Knight.

This way I can do a Gotrek and Felix style Quest. Lots of little fun things that will stack up in a climatic battle/ascension.
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>>5516153
>I want to see some loyalist Konrad
Check out eleventh primarch quest, Old Man did two cut aways where he is being a more sane person.
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>>5516156
I would really like something like that
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>>5515406
>Focus on Repair
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>>5516156
That would be one hell of a peasant.
The only canon example I can think of was Repanse.

Which is also extremely impressive considering she was also both a peasant and a woman.

Sounds like a great quest. FOR THE LADY.
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>>5516199
I'm seeing it as a Peasant who travels between Bretonnia, the Empire, and Tilea. Who knows, maybe we can throw some Araby in there. If we want to have the greatest amount of fun, Lustria has a Vampire problem.
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Of the Rituals that the Mechanicum have pledge to its eternal memoir of knowledge, over three quarters were devoted to the rituals of maintenance which allowed their machines to function. In times before someone might not understand why this is the case. Some civilizations see their machines as disposable, only lasting a few years as the machine either finds itself outdated or degrading over time.

Not the Mechanicum.

When the Cult of the Machine God creates a weapon, vehicle, or standard appliance there is an eternal guarantee upon them. Forges by the greatest of steel refineries ever to have been conceived and whose technology rivals the vast majority of humanity’s existence. When one discovers an STC there is nothing in existence that is better than that, and if a Priest was to try and develop it through the standard procedures it would take him Ten Thousand Years to truly make a product that is different from the original.

Thus, the Mechanicum creates its machines and operates in such a way that they are expected to last that Ten Thousand Years. That the weakness of flesh is there, but the Machine when cared for is truly the most eternal thing in understood existence.

Thus TalOS studied these rituals from the greatest of Titans to the lowest of Stubber Guns. He tested and experienced all that these rituals had, seeing if any of them had the same draw that TalOS had once before experienced. To his joy, there was indeed results.

One was for the Plasma Gun, which with a flow of his hand caused the coils to clean themselves with ease. The next was the Baneblade, whose control systems stabilized as if the motherboard was suddenly cleaned of data junk.

These two helped TalOS to realize something. All rituals that were committed here were acts created by Mars. There was no concrete time in which they happened, as referenced by the Plasma Gun which was known since the earliest days of the Mechanicum to the semi-modern Bane Blade which was discovered after Lucius had left the cradle of Mars.

Thus the realization showed TalOS, indeed the Machine God had blessed the Mechanicum in the most simplest of ways. But now with a crumble trail laid TalOS was quickly starting to parcel through the Rituals, to comprehend what was it that had them act.
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TalOS left the Plasma Gun before him and examined it. Upon it he had placed a slither of waste upon the coils that would be a danger if the weapon was not properly cleaned. The task that he was to do was cleaning, but TalOS knew that only the specific part of the ritual was needed to commit the slow, safe activation that would clean the weapon.

Ritual was quickly cut into pieces and examined at random intervals. TalOS knew the moment in which the ritual would take effect but that did not mean the rest of the ritual was not warranted. Those parts of the Ritual could be used to sustain the Motive Force’s influence upon the weapon.

The Fabricator General began cutting off pieces of the ritual, each time he committed the rite he would remove a small piece of the actions taken which still gave the result. TalOS began to get a feeling, for at first he thought it was electricity but it was far more.

With a movement of his hand TalOS’s own soul would move through the space between him and the Plasma Gun. He felt it there and again, his body and soul catching the strands of fate which was the universe and moving them just the slightest bit. Subtle forces which moved the Universe were what TalOS wanted to examine here, and they were the most subtle of them all as his hand passed.

Symbols, gestures, words, and far greater things were at play here. TalOS could feel the power within the gestures waning and growing with every attempt he did of it. These did not correlate with the amount of the ritual he removed but something else entirely. The Motive Force is what moved through all things, thus TalOS reasoned the responses he was getting were because of other forces and items within the Universe.

TalOS was not to go so far as to leave his rooms to rush towards complete isolation. In the time he was not studying he was ruling Lucius behind a curtain of iron. He knew people were not liking the fact he could not welcome them in person, but those who tried to approach his place of labor found themselves staring down the lair of a Tyrant.

Beyond all things TalOS was now a Pariah, and will need to work with that in mind. Unless they are fully indoctrinated into the Priesthood where logic outweighs their mortal senses.

-1 to Noble and Knight.

Nobles: 5
Priests: 5
Knights: 5
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Finally, after so much work, TalOS found a place where the ritual fails to operate in its totality. Such a thing was hard as the Priest studied every function within the system and compared it to what was happening inside. The fact was that each and every movement was to invoke something within the material universe which corresponded with that rite.

He was learning how to feel the Motive Force. His soul, no longer bound to the realm of immaterium, was the perfect tool to search out the Material Universe. It was because of this that TalOS could feel thin streams of force which he traced all the way to nearby planets thanks to the sensory arrays placed upon the Blackstone Fortress.

That is what helped him realize that truth which was first said. The ritual that TalOS was commiting was a generalist ritual which was meant to work in every situation that it could be performed in. Such was the Machine God’s will, who blessed the Magi with this knowledge.

In his study of it TalOS began categorizing these movements into a matrix. What flowed with what and what was being affected. There were oddities there, like the certain note calling upon the light of a Star belonging to system 35-67B. Others were much more immediate as they used the electrical flow of a nearby conduit.

The Motive Force moved through all things and all things have effects upon others. Thus it was not unreasonable that planetary alignment had some reflection upon something as small as a Plasma Gun.

It was not lost upon TalOS that what he was thinking was deeply similar to how a sorcerer uses the Warp. But as always the Fabricator General felt that it was the other way around. That mankind might have known about these techniques deep within their foundation, but it was sorcery which grabbed them as they did not know the Motive Force existed. A barrier of access if you will, one that led Mankind into the deep depravity of the Warp instead of the safety of Truth.

The Warp in all its ways is a twisted mockery of reality. There are gods in both, but where the Machine God of benevolent and caring those of the Warp are devilish and sinful. That is the reason they do not deserve to be called Gods, but the Daemons that they are.

With these thoughts TalOS continued his study. Everything that he found out about the universe was something far more exhilarating than sorcerery. What TalOS was finding was the core concepts of the Universe. Truths that the Warp cannot deny him for he is a Pariah. By studying these workings he will gain enlightenment.
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Testing was commencing and study was done. The months rolled by as TalOS’s ire was moved from the Lasgun to the Plasma Generators and Vehicles of the Mechanicum. Each time he did something he learned the fates which channeled through the Universe.

Understanding was being attained.

His findings have of course been given onto UZ1 for study. Her findings was that many of the subtle features that TalOS was discovering was either not functioning for her or she did not have the ability to pull it off. Through his guidance TalOS determined which movements were the strongest according to the flow of Lucius’s star and arranged the Blackstone Fortress to be in a more opportune place, and that is when results were gained.

Thus he sent his findings to Vera, who was guided by UZ1 to repeat what TalOS had sent to her. That is when success was had, no matter how small his fellow Pariah was able to commit the modified ritual to TalOS’s understanding.

Thus the Warp was realized to be truly Anathema. It was what prevented Mankind from reaching this true art that TalOS was experiencing and it will continue its workings against them.

The real test for TalOS, after what was a year of research and study, was whether he could employ these techniques in a modular way. Before him was a simple wire, one connected to Land’s Raider. Such a machine was new with little known about its care and maintenance. This is when it will change.

With a small gesture of his hand, sticking forward the smallest of his fingers, TalOS left his ring and middle fingers extended out into the sky. With this done, he collapsed his index finger while pressing his thumb against said finger. After this TalOS gave a small vocal command in prayer.

That was what called the gravitational forces of the nearby moon. Quickly TalOS formed a perfect fist with his other hand and slammed the two limbs together. Forces were caught and the wire shot from its resting place into the socket where it belonged.

TalOS could feel the hunger growing more and more. But the hunger of his soul was minimal to the thrill and starvation for knowledge of what TalOS knew now existed. An entire branch of reality held back from man, now controlled with his two hands.

>>Alright, what shall be harvested?
>Seek out the Stars
>Movement of planets
>Rhythmic Beating of Machines
>The crackling logic of thought.
>Other
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>>5516201
>Lustria has a Vampire problem
The castle haunting land dweller variety, or the salty sea faring kind?
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>>5516221
For anyone wondering, none of this would have been possible if I did not read Infinte and the Divine. Thanks to Orikan for giving us mortals insight into Bullshit Necron Techno Sorcery.
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>>5516201
Don't forget Estalia, they also have a vampire problem.
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>>5516223
If you know that much you know the answer.
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>>5516226
The issue was that I did forget Estalia. I knew they existed but come on, of all of the southerners Tilea is where its at.
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>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
It's how the C'tan did it originally, so it will definately work.
Also it's fitting for a Lucian to harnnes the power of suns.
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>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
>+(And other Fusion Reactions, like Lucius Core / Plasma Reactors)
Before there were planets. Before there was machine and thought. There was nothing.
And the Machine God said, 'Let there be Light'.
And there was Light.

Fusion and fission is the oldest form of power and the most common in the whole universe. There is a reason radiation is seen as holy. Let us tap into that same essence.

Also HELL yes. We are finally tapping into the TRUE Motive Force.

I am so happy.
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>>5516221
>Other: Fusion and Radiation
>Seek out the Stars
Imagine if we can cleanse a planet we've atomically bombed by sucking up all the radiation and turning it into useful energy? Like how Magnus can direct and absorb ambient warp energies into himself for a boost.

Might let us have some cool radiation blast powers, like having a rad gun without needing the gun.
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>>5516232
Estalia is good if you want to go fight Araby afterwards, because they had the whole crusade thing, but Tilea and Border Princes is better for the free spirited adventurer.
Because while estalia is also not unuted, Tilea is full of mercenaries dogs of war onstead of matasor duelists.
One way or the other, the biggest question is whether you are going to use things from End Times. No matter the answer someone will always be upset. I wonder if people have toned down the skub or not.
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>>5516221
>Other
>The slow clicking countdown of the Galaxies that make up the Milky Way and its several dwarf neighbours. This great Celestial Clockwork that counts down to its own change and rebirth at the hands of Andromada.
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>>5516246
I think that if we do that, we might get the best energy outcome/effect, since the simple movement of the Galaxy should contain a lot of energy and it has a great history to us and the Machine God.
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>>5516248
That's also true. Orikan says its another one of his sources.
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>>5516246
>support
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>>5516246
>>5516221
ah sure, i am in
>support
we could get there by examining the better option between stars and planets, then realize that they don't add up to the whole and reach a eureka moment of galactic proportions
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>>5516246
>+1
This is basicaly getting power from gravity and the thought of weaponizing the Standard Model makes me happy.
False Vacuum Bombs when?
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>>5516221
Fuck it sure, Lets keep derailing stuff. Backing this

>>5516246
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>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
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>>5516246
>support
and if that is somehow prohibited, just change my vote to:
>Seek out the Stars
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>>5516246
>40k's setting is confined to one little galaxy
NOT FOR T4L0S
>Supporting the Galaxy ecuation

I wanted to vote for a write in for harvesting the Flux Tubes of planet to moon interaction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_tube) where an example like Saturn and Io is a well described phenomenom. It's featured in Timelike Infinity (what an awesome name) where they use this Flux... ring? to harvest exotic matter. Said matter has negative mass so it's used to push a wormhole open. COOL SHIT
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>The crackling logic of thought.

SAFE AI HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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>>5516303
Use greentext for votes or gtfo faggot
>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
Stars sounds cool and the c'tan fed on stars so it feels appropriate despite them having fairly different circumstances than talos
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>>5516561
>The namefag calling somebody else a faggot

Lmao, Lol even.
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>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
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>>5516221
>Seek out the Stars
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Also, TalOS can be the six path sage of new mechanicum-shinobies with those handsigns KEK ^~^
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>>5516246
>Support
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>>5516221

>The crackling logic of thought.
This is a binding vote, not a preference vote. This is me accepting my fate.
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>>5516224
BTW it's a fantastic book, I'm glad you got around to it.
I'd been referencing it since many threads ago for some of the technomancy feats.

If you haven't already, I highly recommend the Twice Dead King series. It also has great insights into Necron technology and more traditional society.
And then you begin to realize that Trazyn and Orikan are really a bunch of kooks even relative to necrons

Also, spoilers: ever wonder how a Phaeron would take down a Titan? Read and find out!
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If the eye of terror could be considered a supermassive “white hole” does that mean a black hole is the opposite how do black holes interact with the warp is it extra calm around them ?
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>>5517123
Demons need matter to actually enter the material universe. More specifically flesh and souls. Without organics and blood, they couldn't enter.

Given a Black Hole is the ultimate annihilator of matter itself, and given the potency of black hole weaponry, I wager it is likely that the Warp is darkened around Black Holes and they have a very distinct presence, much like the presence planets and stars themselves can be felt in the warp. And why warping too close to a planet is so dangerous.

One of the Dark Eldar's weapons to defend Comorragh are prismatic mirrors keyed to teleport creatures in its gaze into the heart of a sun. Even Demons would struggle against that sort of all encompassing display of power from the the Machine God's Materieal realm. Let alone a black hole. Ain't just the warp that has its destructive shows of force.
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>>5517153
Not sure if darkend is the right term, but they should definitively have an effect on the warp. In esoteric terms it would likely be the motive force by way of gravtic disturbance bleeding into the warp, albeit very slowly and with much less influence.
That can be compared to the way psykers and living beings in groups influence their surroundings by way of the warp. Eldar and Krorks being extreme examples of this.

At least that is my interpretation, without factoring in warp travel, pylons, demon incursions and other deliberate attempts of exerting influence.
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As the months continued to go by the amount of practical research that talOS was engaging in was becoming less and less. Such a thing is understood for engaging in the practical requires that one possess some form of theoretical knowledge.

It was this fact here that TalOS began examination of reality. A deep dive into the framework of the universe in an attempt to understand where and how it truly works. Let it be the literature of the Mechanicum who have placed theories of the Motive Force or rites that TalOS had identified as possessing some form of influence, TalOS studied them all.

Now he was deep in meditation for days on end. His senses now open to the Motive Force’s flow, TalOS was able to examine things from his own Workshop.

It was the movement of planets, the arrangement of technology, everything within the cosmic order of things that got the attention of TalOS. With a single raising of his finger called upon the star of Alcom, bringing its radiation closer all while collapsing another hand to bring the galactic pull of the Keniker Black Hole.

What got his attention the most of all of these was the star which laid below his feet. A connection that was always there was felt as TalOS began the pulls and pushes of radiation. The Star Forge of Lucius was barely understood by TalOS but now that he understood the workings of the Universe he understood how magnificent the Forge was.

Held in with several gravitation fields the artificial star was created through the art of nuclear fusion. Glory was held as he examined the foundations of the star, seeing that it was a perfect miniaturization of a star that was built specifically for this task. Small and blue, the star was meant to be harvested just as Lucius was doing to it now.

TalOS flexed his muscles and began moving the radiation that emitted from the star, which had all been expelled in the rad wastes. He could feel the smallest amount of it move and flow through the air with little resistance.

That was it, TalOS decided that he shall look towards the stars for his fuel.
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As a genetor TalOS understood lots about the human body, but as an adept in these newly discovered arts TalOS was but a novice compared to the divine. The arts of the soul was hard to understand but TalOS knew that his soul can feel the flow of the Motive Force. Thus it was reasonable to think that it can have more meaningful interactions with the Motive Force.

Thus TalOS began his examination of the human body in relation to solar radiation. It is a known fact that humans do enjoy the radiation upon their skin and that their bodies were meant to absorb such energy for a certain amount of hours based on pigmentation. Was there more to it than a simple trick upon the mind?

Nerve examination was done by TalOS now, even if he lacked the perfect subjects there were plenty of standard human brains that TalOS could employ to commit to testing his theory. A theory being that the lunar sun was ultimately what gave life energy. It was not the Warp that gave birth to life after all, but the combination of water and radiation which provided the guiding materials for the creation that is life.

To control everything TalOS had the brains stuffed into jars and placed upon the Blackstone Fortress. This way whatever affects he placed upon them would be of his own doing and not that of the Warp.

One cannot describe the difficulty of this experimentation that TalOS was putting these souls through. A Primarch cannot lose count, but one must admit that using fifteen forges worth of Servitors was something that TalOS did not really want to have happen.

Such were the complications as he fought against his own hunger which lashed out at every turn. He was subject to what man causes instinct, and his battle against this instinct was something he only had victories after weeks of meditation upon the Motive Force. What did not help was that the brains that he was interacting with did not have any method of resistance, causing them to be consumed with a mere glance.

In the end TalOS had to always stand several feet away as Servo-Skulls of venerable Priests were placed upon the pedestal for his work. Such was the fact they still held the willpower they held in life, did they resist his soul’s attempt at their damnation.

With a method of deposit made TalOS began feeling out reality around him. With a mental command he ordered the movement of the Blackstone Fortress, gearing it towards the sun which Lucius orbited.

Thus the tests began as he felt the lunar radiation crawl through the chamber and flowing into the chamber.
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As the light of the sun baked upon his skin TalOS felt the flow of energy cressing his skin. As if to prove his own theory he felt pleasure at this. It was a human pleasure, such a feeling that TalOS was getting more and more intimately as he felt his life creep towards oblivion.

As the light tapped upon the assembled brains and limbs TalOS felt the change. The brains were reacting to the flow of the motive force and going into them. Some were more pronounced than others, while a few were simply duds which gave nothing.

Thus was the beauty of this experiment. What about these brains give the ability to convert solar energy into pleasure and reinvigoration? Sure TalOS knows how light dances upon the skin and how the heat of that is what it does, but that is discounting the existence of souls and the Motive Force.

One would bring about an old Terran tale about the man and his people who lived in a cave. How they all lived in a world of ignorance until one of them escaped. If TalOS was arrogant he would have agreed wholeheartedly, but that is not how TalOS got to this point!

TalOS was standing upon the shoulders of giants! The knowledge he holds is knowledge that was generated by the greater Mechanicum taken in the lens of a Genetor. While TalOS could create magnificent works of techno-artistry he did not bother trying. Because TalOS, being a Genetor, did not know the most advanced mysteries that someone like his friend Arch Dominus D3X employed when he crafts a perfect Bolter.

What was happening here was TalOS finding a new branch of mysteries and understanding. He had discovered the divinity which so many cults within the Mechanicus were in search of. The Cult of the Micro Omnissiah was right, the Emperor was not the Omnissiah, and they were correct in that the smallest point in understanding will reveal it to them.

Where TalOS and they differ was that he was seeing all of it. The Motive Force flowed through everything and the Omnissiah, the point of ascension, was somewhere among how the stars and atoms flow about the galaxy.

That is why TalOS tested the brains like he is, for that is how a Genetor would examine the problem. As he studied though TalOS could not help but notice the Servo-Skulls that floated around him were also basked in the light of the solar phenomena. He could feel their resistance tighten and will grow stronger with every millisecond of contact. They were raised up to a point though, but TalOS realized his feelings had not stopped.

TalOS gave a hearty laugh as he looked upon the star in realization. He was too busy preparing and engaging in the experiment that he forgot his entire worldview and state of existence had changed. No longer should he make assumptions about his personal existence.

The Primarch decided to stay there and meditate, feeling out both the sun and himself.
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TalOS meditated on the solar phenomena and allowed it to pass through him. His ability, even with over one year’s worth of study, did not give him the ability to lift more than a wire. What was he to do about the power of Solar Radiation which operates in so many different ways.

He measured and tested. Mankind had in an early aeon discovered how to measure the sun. To split it apart into its base components that were in existence. To TalOS these measurements lacked some scale as some flows and patterns did not correspond with previous knowledge.

Thus TalOS focused on working these out. Some of them were points that TalOS came right back to what the rest of mankind had made for it. Some of it was what he was looking for, an understanding of life itself.

The star which shined upon him was an incarnation of energy. The Universe builds upon this power which flows, creating all manner of phenomena. It was what gave cells form, which led to beasts, ending in man.

What TalOS stood there wondering was its effects upon the body, which result in an effect upon the soul. Maybe what he was missing was the idea that the soul already had ways of harvesting such powers itself instead of relying upon the body. It is a almost completely dormant part of the soul but one which TalOS examined closely.

Man was not always psychically sensitive, and at one point no psykers existed between the eras of the early 2nd millennium all the way to the start of the Long Night. Man should not have needed as much psychic power as before, and it was mental health that deteriorated first before the body truly became lost. TalOS had heard a theory so long ago that man was becoming more and more psychically sensitive, but while that is the case man does not need the warp to completely sustain the soul. The soul was wondrous, and TalOS was learning this.

Thus the Sun which was humanity’s beacon, was what gave man the energy similar to what TalOS was feeling now. As he came to this realization he so subtly moved additional wavelengths and forces into body and soul. Which ones gave him more power, which ones were duds.

In testing this TalOS found something, something that he could describe as the frequency of life. It was what fed him the most, so he would need to work more and more.

As he bent this flow of power though he noticed something odd. He noticed a thin change in the flow that was not caused by him.

>Strike at it
>Study it
>Welcome it
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Better photo for this. Its weird being able to write this all semi-coherently, but thats because I listened to shit about a Jack Parson. This is ironic, since he is 100% a Chaos Cultist.
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>>5517757
>>Study it
KNOWLEDGE
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>>5517757
>Study it
Disregard Psychic Awakening, become C'tan.
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>>5517757
>Welcome it
PRAISE THE SUN!
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>>5517757
>Study it
Know before you act
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>>5517757
>Study it
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>>5517757
>Study it
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>>5517757
>Welcome it
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>>5517757
>>Strike at it
HMMMMMMMMMMM this is foregin intervention!!
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>>5517757
>Welcome it
\o/
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>>5517757
>>Study it
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>>5517757
>Study it

Confirm then Employ.
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>>5517757
> Strike at it.
C'tans like confidence
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>As he studied though TalOS could not help but notice the Servo-Skulls that floated around him were also basked in the light of the solar phenomena.
Bit curious since I know it's Lucian tradition not to use Servo-Skulls, since even the bones of the saints are ground up to corpestarch as per our culture.

Does TalOS use Servo-Skulls as a concession to appease the Martians and other non-Lucians? I would take it most other forge worlds would be horrified the general Lucian Techpriest uses naked drones rather than skulls.
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>>5518156
It could be a temporary thing, specific to this experiment. Tal0S uses Lucius drones elsewhere since as federation leader it would be weird for him to adopt Martian traditions.
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>>5517757

>Study it.
The frequency of life is fascinating, if we continue our studies on the soul and the ego, we can reach the point of "creating" an Emperor.
After all, one of the greatest mysteries of the galaxy is the merging of souls, something that is related to both the Old Ones and our dear golden father.
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I though Leiren was OP... Gaining the Emperor's support was no easy feat considering his heresy.

Fucking Tal0S is turning into a C'tan.
Game fucking over. He wins.

Wonder what Kholinasi is doing. Haven't been keeping up with that one.
>Welcome it
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>>5518178
He's back home after the big journey, just met a new/old C'tan, has a brand new quantum computer in De'lormosa's basement, healed a man of gold and is getting inducted into a sigilite order.
Also breaking free from time travel shenanigans. Turns out he is the only version that bothered learning medicine and about his technomancy beyond just using it.
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>>5518182
Those are (mostly) things I wanted TalOS to do!
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>>5518158
I will use this as my explanation. Also remember that there are a lot more admech of all colors now.
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>>5518182
Spilers for this Quest: My plan is that it takes TalOS roughly 100 years to get Technomancy down, with Chronomancy coming after that quicker than before. His power will be comparable to ascendent Lorgar, which places him below Magnus but a power house none the less.

Ultimately I want to write a scene of TalOS resurrecting his Fallen sons in the middle of a battle, and the terror this will inflinct upon the traitors as they watch something so unnatural.
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>>5518210
Cron-like Marines, re-assembling their nanite infused components and rising up again despite very visibly mortal wounds. Sounds badass.

Reminds me of how shocked the traitors become later when they shoot Primaris in the face and are 100% positive they've killed them only for them to just rise back up and keep fighting a little bit more, then dying after pumping bolt after bolt into them.
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>>5518207
True.

Though I imagine given the Federations relative seclusion/insular borders and the emphasis on separate synods rather than a centralized Martian authority, Federal Techpriests perpetuate Lucius customs and traditions with mostly outsiders being the ones to do stuff like use Servo-Skulls or Martian customs.
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>>5518210
What I can't wait to see is the ideological showdown between TalOS and the Emperor. No matter how much both of them sugar-coat it, they want to take humanity on fundamentaly different parts, Emps wanting a human Aeldari Empire while TalOS wanting to separate humanity and the Warp on a metaphysical level. They are cooperating right now since both of them hate Chaos but there's no way disagreements won't start appearing. I bet that the Psi-titans issue will require a lot of father-son bonding time.
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>>5517757
>Study it
Probably some confused C’tan thinking to themselves why this thing is trying to eat the sun
When you stare into the abyss long enough the abyss stares back at you
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>>5518210
based
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>>5518220
>Magos decides to travel to Lucius to study cool shit
>Magos has a couple servo-skulls
>Multiply this for whatever million-number because the galaxy is fukn big
>T4L0S D4V1S the Fabricator General and leader of the Federation needs your servo-skull. Eat shit or comply

We can handwave everything around this parts!! One point of contemption would be back in the day when our boy was in his way to invade the Plastoids and he got ambushed mid-warp and in the direst moment hundreds of servo-skulls showed up to his rescue, directed by the Machine God itself. Man, I loved that scene. We need more "and the machine moved by itself to protect its owner" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p20J9ypvW1s
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>>5518347
Was it plastoids? Humanoid blue fuckers with leathery skin and other protuberances that served the god of change. What was the name of that other empire we obliterated¿?
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>>5518352
The Mitu collective, an instellar civilization of slug-like xenos with a shared ancestor
The Plastoids were a breakaway from the Mitu, kind of like their navigators/astropath caste, which is why they fell to the Molusk.
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>>5518347
>hundreds of servo-skulls showed up to his rescue
I'm going to interpret that event as a lot of forgotten and hidden servo-skulls gathering dust on the ships which were built a long time ago during the early days of Lucius founding and exploratory fleets of the early Mechanicum.

TalOS called them forth to aid in battle one last time.
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Just wrote a whole thing that got deleted itself because I didn't get a Captcha.
Anyway, Love me some Servo Skulls, they're great, maybe some of our Sons can have ones made from brothers that failed the implantation procedure or died in combat (maybe once we develop Cron style Ressurection Nanobots we could bring them back using the Servo skulls)
And
>inb4 creating cost efficient Zealot-Class Lay-Skitari for missions requiring Deniability or low tech
>Got the Captcha JOKNAO obviously this means we need some Tech-Orangutans as pets
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>>5518404
Our Sons would have grown up Lucius style, so Servo-Skulls would be a foreign concept to them or "an old tradition that we don't do anymore". Our Terran sons were technobarbarians, but by now they've also adapted to Lucius culture.

"On Lucius even saints and martyr's become corpstarche" such is our value on not wasting biomatter given our long history of starvation in Old Night. I gather those who are too wounded for dreadnoughts and the parts that aren't important geneseed either become corpstarche, reserved specially for space marines as a way to "let them carry on the fight as part of the Legion forever", or immolated/buried.

I think it was mentioned many of our failed aspirants already become super skitarii and exceptional priests. At least the Acillians. Unfortunately the Astartes just go mad with rage, I'm not sure there's much to be done with them than mercy.

What I think would be cool is: our Sons brains are stored in their chest. If we can find a way to preserve brain function in a way of stasis, even if the heart, lungs and other vital organs fail, they can still be resurrected. If we can make it so that nanobots can prevent the decay of the brain, put it in a form of metallic standstill, they could then be resurrected if given bodies anew.
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>>5517757
>Study it
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>>5518496
Fair enough, I just really love Servo Skulls inordinately, I wrote a thing a while back about a former IG member that became a Lay Priest of the Mechanicus that just makes servo skulls out of his former comrades that fell in the line of duty to the point that he has a few thousand at his home
Also, what about the idea about super cheap "Lay-Skitari" armed with Stub and Auto guns that we use as hyper cheap units
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I finally got home
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>>5518674
No amount of brozouf can free us from the cycles of guilt.
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He witnessed the event and studied it, the flow of the Motive Force going from one end to another. Where this change in flow ended and where it began was something that TalOS did not fully understand. Was it hostile? Was it friendly?

These were questions and guesses that TalOS had, but he did not know how to answer them. Surely the Machine God had his own influence upon the Motive Force and that could only mean others were around. While TalOS was paranoid, were there any deep dangerous secrets within the Motive Force that would corrupt him?

No, there would not be. This path was one that the Machine God had set him upon. Whatever it was there must be something divine about it.

So TalOS began his tests at the force. He examined it on the peripheries and tried to determine what exactly was there. His hands made a symbol and that gave TalOS a small tendril of radiation for him to test against the flow that was near him.

Impact was made, a weak impact that allowed TalOS to see so far. The flow that he intercepted went on for thousands of lightyears to regions on the galaxy the Imperium had yet discovered. Before he could gain full understanding the flow was purged of TalOS’s intrusion. It did not leave him though.

Instead the flow changed before TalOS’s senses. It was much stronger now that before with the channel having multiple layers upon it. TalOS then felt a whip of air brush upon him, like one a tutor would give a child who had misbehaved.

In the next moment TalOS felt the light around him bend and move to a much stronger degree than he had before. As they did this, TalOS studied the movements and compared it to his own knowledge. Reasoning begot comprehension, and with a few moves of his hand TalOS began mimicking the flow of energy.

What TalOS was forced to do was much harsher than whatever he was interacting with. Where the one he witness was moving smoothly with little error the movements he produced were violent.

And then it hit him again, this time a subtle gust of wind hitting him in the temple. TalOS felt the change in the air and the effects of it, his mind realizing that the gust was caused not by force, but the acceleration of what was already there.

There were two methods this could be achieved. The first was to give it more strength in weight, but the other was to shorten how much time there was.

What occurred right before him, using a disciplinary tool, was a change in the flow of time.
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To say TalOS was confused was an understatement. He was definitely communicating with someone who had been looking upon him at this instance. The person also had a temper of some kind that TalOS had seen in a great many Magos.

They were the kind of people who were proud of their craft and could not help but correct those who were wrong. As TalOS was in the wrong, the person on the other end of this flow wanted to make sure he knew it.

The flow of the Motive Force went again, this time TalOS was sensing the greatest change yet. There were ten of them, which TalOS recognized to be digits upon their hands. TalOS was now a student, watching as the forces danced before him like fingers upon two hands. They were fast, so fast that only those with augmented hands or transhuman.

TalOS was both, so when the hands stopped he began a perfect mimicking of what he had witnessed.

The light around him began to bend towards a single point, the flow so fast it would be difficult to contain by other means. The Student studied it the workings and noted what actions committed what before him. There was irony in that what TalOS was doing could not be seen for the light had nothing to reflect upon and none of it was able to escape. The reason it was not a black ball was that TalOS focused on capturing the flow of the star, not what was already reflected.

Overall what TalOS worked with caused the chamber he was in to dim a slight bit. It was just enough that if something walked in they would gain a sense of unease.

Upon his performance the forces of the other user stiffened, as to the reason why TalOS could not yet divine. TalOS wanted to know who was the one operating this force, who was on the other line. Was it another human? No, that was not reasonable. It was surely either a divine or some Xenos who learned of the Motive Force from another God.

After all it is reasonable to assume that if the Machine God exists, that there are other gods within reality.

He witnessed as the energy form gave TalOS a symbol, one that the Primarch felt his mind snap in understanding of. It must have been a marker, an identifier, and he was given this because TalOS gained the person’s respect.

He will need to be wary next time they interact. For now, TalOS finished his signs and brought the flow of life into his person. He felt his hunger subside as he was fueled with the truest essence of life.
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Discovery was had after several years of isolation. In his isolation things had gone by without much issue. Examination showed that the production schedule had met the standards set in the previous year, which meant that production was adequate to match the needs of the Imperium and the Federation.

The amount of worlds within the Federation’s borders were expanding at a decent rate, with plenty of worlds processed to become the Agri-Worlds that TalOS wished for. It will be ten more years worth of work needed for production to be maximized. TalOS knew though that once this moment is reach he can set his sights upon the Priests within the Federation.

The Exploratory Fleet had continued their travels deeper and deeper into the Federal Sector. There was another war that needed to be waged as TalOS kept himself entombed but this was nothing too worrisome and the enemy humans were squashed.

As was determined, these hostile empires were taken apart at the individual level. Some of their worlds would have deep holdouts that would resist conversion. These hold outs were executed under the immense might of the Proelitors or the Knights, which always depended on whether the Knights could drill their way through mountains to reach their opponents.

In the Imperium TalOS heard that the Thousand Sons had finally recovered. Within the message given the Primarch was informed of the state of his brother, that Magnus was henceforth known as the One-Eye King. He remembered back to the words of his Father to realize that Magnus was playing in a dangerous game.

Thus came the question of what to do with his brother. From what was said Magnus only possesses a thousand warriors, so there was no way he would be released into the Imperial War Machine just as Fulgrim had been held back. Thus, he had the time to come if TalOS was to extend to his brother an invitation to visit.

Magnus will not deny him, as reports from his sons came in he was very interested in everything that was happening within the universe. It would be TalOS’s decision whether he comes or not.

There was always the choice of going to Terra as well, but TalOS knew there were a great many people upon Lucius he needed to talk to. Right now he needs to make a decision so that his Brother’s arrival will be in the pipeline.

>Extend the standard invitation
>Go visit Terra Directly
>Decline to send the invite.
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>>5518746
>Standard Invite.

We have found the way to feed. And now, we are the Magos Mysterious, a true prophet.
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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I wonder if we were interacting with a Necron or a C'tan shard. There are not many that should be awake or active right now either way, so I'm curious.
If QM showed an image of the symbol or described it, we probably could find out, but I guess he wants us to avoid using meta knowledge to ruin the surprise.
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>>5518805
I think people can have a pretty good guess on who.
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
Damn it Magnus, you just had to do it didn’t you. Well I hope we will be peaceful when we finally meet because we have other things to do
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>>5519020
It's Orikan, isn't it?

>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>Extend the standard invitation
>Congratulate him for doing what we could not. Invite him and his sons to the front that they may partake in battle and we may discuss and learn from each other.


He might not go. There is much to do and much to learn on Terra.
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation.
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>>5518746
>Extend the standard invitation
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>>5518746
>>Go visit Terra Directly

>>5518749 >>5518752 >>5518775 >>5518777 >>5518788 >>5519040 >>5519064 >>5519075 >>5519116 >>5519384 >>5519494
Listen here you FUCKS we go to Terra and we OBLITERATE the Daemon Engines that are holed up in Mars. We rampage (alone) in the Vaults of Moravek and then we send a Ping to Glavia bros "You don't have to keep the secret no more, because I ATE IT"

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It was a pair of thick steel doors that were buried by the red sands of Mars. The doors themselves looked jagged and worn as if they went through a battle. At the very top of it TalOS realized it to be an eight pointed star. Memories from the warp came to TalOS, and he realized what was about to be said before it was even said.
<<<
The post is this one https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5443267/#p5474129 if you need to refresh your memory
Going there to get rid of Moravek's perversion is damn worth the trip!! And yeah sure we can also make Magnus shit his pants before or afterwards. In fact, how about we go to Mars first, satiate our soul and then go to Terra? That way there will be less risk of... being peckish around Magnus
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>>5519563
Hmm why not time to test out our powers
>+Support
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>>5519567
And by power we mean enough firepower to make a baneblade blush, because T4L0S has that many arms and mechadendrites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso
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>>5519563
>Support
Where were you before? I don't even know which posts from above is mine.
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>>5516763
>>5516771
^^This were your posts in this thread^^ >5519615 I don't really understand what you said
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>>5519563
Denied.
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>>5519710

So it's not a possibility, even if we visit Terra for another reason? Under no circumstances?
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>>5519719
Yes.
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>>5519763

>F.
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>>5519763

I would like to ask you something, this is not an order it's a genuine request.

>Would it be possible to spend some time resolving matters related to the second legion?

I feel like we are not giving them the attention they deserve, plus there are a lot of loose ends with them:

We made a promise to the dreadnoughts in our legion that we would make their lives better. It's been a while since this happened and still nothing.
How are our Techmarines? How far have they evolved? how big are they? And most importantly, are we going to share our knowledge of Nano with them?
And how did regular marines respond to the psychic cut? Can we notice any difference in their behavior?
And last but not least, would it be possible to pass on part of our new skills to our Pariaha son?
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>>5519848
Oh, I agree with that but most choices have moved away from your sons. Things have changed, but revelations need to be had. Between now and Magnus's arrival I'll look into throwing a post in.
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>>5519848
I agree with SoN here, as nice this pace is towards the big things, a short break before we go would be nice.
Plus it could show some of the new impressions TaL0S has on the planet, the federation, his fellow tech priests and so on. I mean we kinda broke our soul, went into cryo, talked to big E and our sons were shit scared of us for a bit there, gotta resolve those issues before they fester.
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>>5519854
Ah, I was late.
Nvm
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>>5519854

Thanks for understanding boss, keep up the good work.
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TalOS referenced his Father and what he spoke of the situation. The allegiance of Magnus, his damnation to the forces known only to a select few, can only be granted if TalOS helps him in educating his brother and giving him a shoulder.

The Pariah did not know if his state of being was really one that his brother would rely upon. To psykers TalOS was an abomination which is death incarnate. Normal folk will look upon his visage as something to be terrified of. These were two facts that went against all future interactions that TalOS will have with his brothers. How they will work out the Primarch cannot really say.

An old proverb that the Skitarii are taught is that while accuracy is important, to fail in taking a shot is always a shot which is missed. Thus TalOS prepared and sent a welcoming invitation to his brother.

As that message was sent to the Astropaths which carried his invitation. What will come of it after TalOS shall see.

With that done his eyes glanced to the workings of the Federation and the internal workings that were formed within it. Mainly the man who was operating it, Arch Magos ADM1N who had assumed the position of Fabricator Locum during TalOS’s debilitation.

With a single thought TalOS sent the man a request for a meeting. Within a minute TalOS received an affirmation for later in the day. Such was expected as TalOS knew this hour was the same hour that the training of Princeps was occurring.

Records show that ADM1N was more than capable of operation, but tasks were delegated out within a week of his entry. TalOS would be the first to admit he was doing far more than what a baseline human should be doing. He did not build his position yet to be succeeded by anyone, and his acting Fabricator Locum paid the price for that failure on TalOS’s part.

This event shall also be a test for the Pariah, a test to see how another human interacts with his new state of being.
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Arch Magos ADM1N walked through the chambers of the greatest Manufactorium upon Lucius in search of the grand office of the Fabricator General. As he looked around the location there were a great many more insights that were given to him that he never had before.

Such knowledge, even as the Leader of Legio Astorum, was only gained through passing in times before. The art of keeping the Titans stable and capable were well within his knowledge but how they were made was knowledge that he did not even need. In the previous Era of Lucius, the Reign of the First, ADM1N grown up and took over the Legio.

Those times were in retrospect simpler for the Priest. But in that simple era Lucius had grown weak by the stagnation that they were forced into. Not for a lack of trying, but the Warpstorms had cut off both communication from Mars and a majority of the fledgling colonies that the Forge World was able to create.

In these trying times everyone looked towards the Fabricator General. Once an expeditionary leader, now a relic so ancient that his sheer existence made him a living saint in the ranks of the Cult Mechanicus. This man, no matter how old, did try once every generation to get something going that would secure Lucius a foothold.

At the start was a foothold on the planet itself as the Hollowed out planet was filled with creatures of all kinds and breeds. After that they had looked towards the stars and attempted to breach what was an unending turbulence. Some had survived, some had died, with the only real successful colony being Mezoa who was rediscovered in the new era.

And it was a new Era, Arch Magos ADM1N admitted to himself. Before the new Era he would day dream of the potential succession to Fabricator General. It was between him and Arch Dominus J0LT who would gain the throne of Lucius.

He did not know it, but when the Miracle Child was brought to the Highest Court of Lucius that was the day Lucius entered the Era of the Federation.

The impact was not immediate, but things were shifting beyond ADM1N’s own scope of work. He had grown confused when then Fabricator General Lucius requested that a single Imperator Titan be transferred into his service. The Arch Magos, seeing it as a favor to a Saint, gave his rights to the Titan to his liege.

Then the Plastoids attacked, the counter attack which resulted in the death of J0LT, and the ascension of TalOS to Arch Dominus. During those days ADM1N could have easily been called spiteful for he did not understand why the oddest Priest he met was so heavily blessed. It was after his victories against the Plastoids and the building of the Federation did ADM1N realize he was in the presence of another Saint of the Machine God.
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As the Tech Priest walked by several Servitors he gave a long sigh. The Machine God had passed the Magos up for what he thought might have been the final promotion. But his God was protecting its own interests, and to that the Magos would serve until his death.

His eyes laid upon the office that was his destination. Every step closer he could feel the crawling dread of judgment creep upon his metallic flesh.

When he heard of the Fabricator General’s incapacitation he had quickly pulled the strings of numerous old alliances. These were the same strings that he planned on using if ever the Old Saint was to somehow lose his life, and because they were built with ages of work they all went off without a hitch. Even the inclusion of outsiders who were seeking the throne were denied because ADM1N had set contingencies for that event around five centuries ago.

After all, Lucius was always looking for a chance to expand. He needed to be prepared to fight off rivals who would be created by that expansion.

Was it right for him to do that though? Was it right to become regent of a throne the way he had? There were deaths, and a few Priests who thought themselves capable of a military takeover were quickly put to the sword by the Secetarii. There were also a few Nobles and even a Knight who thought they could go for a power gain when all the positions began to shift.

He could not have that. In a time like this the use of violence against one another was the worst thing that could happen. Especially upon Lucius, where the worst of moves could nullify the entire planet.

Entering the Office of the Fabricator General ADM1N felt the source of the dread. He was forced to engage his emotional vaults just to look into the face of TalOS DAV1S, once his student and now Fabricator General of Lucius. Word was that he had done the greatest of augmentations, an augmentation of the soul. ADM1N had heard from his colleagues who served alongside Horus and Leman Russ that a Primarch should have a presence. ADM1N wondered what they meant by that.

Now he did. Once held back with technology his Fabricator was truly a monster of immense power.

His reports and deeds were given to his Lord, for he knew that he could not deny a man as brilliant as TalOS the truth. He awaited judgment.

>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
>Give praises for the job done
>Discipline him for taking power in such ways.
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>>5520050
>Give praise for a job well done.

I forget, what does a locum do?
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>>5520079
Never mind, took a look. Changing.

>Approve his position as locum
He would be our second in command. And him taking this position in the way he did, and acting as he did to eradicate dissenting elements proves he is well deserving of the office.
Our second in command must be a man who is competent able, pious and fore sighted. So long as we see eye to eye on matters of theology, there is no reason for his dismissal.
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
>Give praises for the job done
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
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>>5520050
>Give praises for the job dwell done
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
>Give praises for the job done
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>Approve his position as locum

Giving a position such as this also requires praise and congratulation.
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>>5519848
By the Machine God yes!
I've been aching for some real Federation actions.

We hear all the time about how TalOS is capable of managing many affairs with his brilliant mind.

Can we at least get a piece of that? There's so much to explore and personalize
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>>5520050
>Approve/Praise him
>Tell him "we anticipated he would do his plan and are proud of his initiative"
Roboute would shame us if we did not have a pre-existing plan in the event of our incapacitation through injury, let alone our death.

But obviously TalOS, in his paranoid wisdom, knew ADM1N had a plan and wanted to see if he would enact it. He did not fail us.
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
>Give praises for the job done

Your work has been beyond nominal. Thank you and congratulations on your promotion.
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
>Give praises for the job done
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>>5520050
>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum
Tell him we will fund him a new Imperator
Captcha machine spirit: NGMA30
The Titans name with have ENIGMA 30 in it.
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>>5520050

>Approve ADM1N to become Fabricator Locum.
I'm going to assume we're going to congratulate him even choosing this option.
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>>5520348

I'm not going to lie, what makes me happiest about QM response is that we're finally gonna give some attention to our beloved dreadnoughts.
Tal0S is a man of his word, ignoring that promise was bothering me a lot.
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>>5520690
Everyone should want to be a dreadnought. Including the Dreadnoughts themselves, not just everyone else.
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>>5520967
Is there a dreadnought but the only thing thats from the marine is a servoskull?
So they can fly into a bigger warmachine and control it?
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He shall become Fabricator Locum
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A powerful, critical eye settled upon the Arch Magos as he gave his bow to his superior. There was something there, a psychic sense, that was attacking his senses. It was oblivion, and the one who eliminated it was his judge.

+Protocol 11544+ The Fabricator General ordered, allowing the Magos to raise his head to face his contemporary. It was hard to do this thanks to the man’s new state of being, +It is good to see you once again ADM1N. So many years has it been since we’ve converted from one to one.+

+It has been long enough.+ The Magos said as he finished locking his emotions away into the vaults where they should be stored, +What is your assessment of my actions and of the Federation?+

TalOS gave a deep nod that could only show the understanding within it. ADM1N noted that his emotional cortex, for all intents, could not give him a reading on what he should be feeling from that. Too far was it overwhelmed by the emotions that the creature which was TalOS became.

+I approve of your actions Magos ADM1N. I did not fully foresee my incapacitation, but knew that whatever occurred upon Xana will not lead to my death.+ The Saint stated as he brushed a perfectly mended hand in the air, +Your actions are by far the most interesting of everyones. I was aware many would attempt at this throne, and you are the one who succeeded. Congratulations are in order for your orders cement my faith that the Federation will last far more eras after my death.+

+I thank you for this praise.+ ADM1N spoke in a mechanical response. Such a response was not made through feeling organs but through algorithmic understanding. Such a thing was needed when his thoughts were hard to regulate, such as having to commune with a Titan.

+It is for this that I wish to formalize your actions. From hence force you are Fabricator Locum, when I am away you shall act in my stead. May we work to have the Federation Prosper.+ The Fabricator General announced with a good amount of emotion displayed.

+I humbly ask-+ ADM1N had to stop himself for a second as he comprehended those words. His automated reply would have been to ask for a delay in decision, giving him a chance to clear his mind and wash out his Emotional Vaults from the contagion that was infesting them. He administered the correction with a second’s thought, +that you guide me well Fabricator General TalOS. I look forward to our cooperation.+

And with those words ADM1N had secured himself and the Legio Titanica.
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With the ascension of Fabricator Locum ADM1N into a proper position of power a great many of the reforms and positions the Priest had created were at TalOS’s disposal. After all, by legitimizing his reign there was no reason to reverse what was already there. What this gave TalOS was a functioning Bureaucracy that he did not know he wanted until this moment.

While all the planets still answered to TalOS, underneath TalOS was now a team of twelve Priests who gave administration assistance to regions. These Administers had the duty of linking rulers to resources or helping enforce certain laws upon these rulers. It was nothing too great, with a good chunk of potential clout stopped by the need for TalOS’s approval. As TalOS looked upon it, it reminded him of old administration diagrams showing the power of an executive authority who answers to the legislature which was the Parliament.

It was because of these machines of power that were now formed that TalOS found himself with more freetime than before. Thus he traveled near the rim of the Forgespire and seeked out the barracks that he gained possession of so long ago.

Walking into the place TalOS saw a great many Priests and Proelitor working with one another. On the other side were those who saw themselves as the warriors who they were raised as, either committing themselves to sparring matches or chatting to one another.

When TalOS entered the place all activity stopped, as if an Evil Tyrant had walked into the room ready to start declaring executions.

TalOS’s soul was pesky at great many times these days. Even as he satiated TalOS is, he still exhumes the field of nullification which is created by his hunger. The reason he can only compare to that of a man who continues to eat after he is full, his body seeking to get additional nutrients so that it can survive longer periods of starvation. TalOS’s soul, which by all means is essentially an organ like brain is to a body, still does not know it is sated and thus will continue to work.

It will recover in time, TalOS knew, for he will get a grasp of this new muscle which haunts him. Until then all he can do is start walking forward with his firm footfalls snapping everyone awake.
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Quickly the room began to liven with energy with TalOS trying his best to hold back his energy. He was sure many of those around him were filled with fear, but they were overcome by the fact that TalOS once again walked among the land of the living. TalOS could hear over the vox network Astartes and Acillians alike sending messages to those outside of the area trying to get their fellow to come and give respects to TalOS.

Within a minute of his arrival, which was the time he arrived at the other side of the room, he looked over to see Reich Marshall Vadar giving him the Cog Mechanicus as a salute.

+It has been too long Vadar, I see you are fairing well.+ TalOS said as he arrived before one of his two greatest sons.

+The same to you, Father.+ The Astartes said as he looked directly at TalOS, +These last few years the Legion was unsettled. At one time we thought you had died, to which all Proelitors traveled towards Xana to try and recover you.+ He declared as he looked TalOS up and down, +When Captain Scorch found that you were still alive we were sated, but many of us could not leave without seeing you. Our apologies if that caused any issues.+

+It did not, for me it was as if an instant went by. Once I was on Xana, the next I had met Captain Scorch, and lastly I was within a chamber by my Father’s side.+ TalOS declared as he studied the flinch that just occurred upon Vadar’s face, +Was there any problems that occurred during that time?+

The Astartes figited like a child who was cause as he spoke the next words, +There was a small skirmish between the Proelitor and the Custodian Guard when they arrived to try and stop our vessel. Under the words of Knight Alexander and his mighty steed did we hold back from any potential slaughter.+

TalOS felt a moment’s confusion as he heard that name, +The Knights of Dutonis were there as well?+

The Astartes gave a nod to his question, +Many of the Knights who served alongside the Proelitor in Auxiliary capacity joined the Astartes in the convergence.+

+Then it is good to know we have many of their loyalties.+ TalOS told his son as he gave a thin smile.

>Discuss their mental state
>Seek out the Dreadnaughts
>Make a speech to those present, so they can know that TalOS is thankful for their loyalty.
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>>5521430
>Discuss their mental state
it's time we modify the gene-seed like we said we would.
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>Discuss their mental state
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>>5521430
>Discuss mental states

We shall find if you have deteriorated sons, then fix you. We have the time now
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>>5521430
>>Discuss their mental state
They are not uuuuuuh... feeling awfully tired are they
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>>5521430
>Make a speech to those present, so they can know that TalOS is thankful for their loyalty.
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Astartes Fidgeting is a bad sign for their discipline. That should not be happening at all. If anything they should be more steadfast than even the Skitarri
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but it's CUTE
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>>5521507
It would, unless something as dangerous as a Pariah Primarch was 3 feet from him.
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>>5521430
>Make a speech to those present, so they can know that TalOS is thankful for their loyalty.
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>>5521430

>Discuss their mental state.

Can we visit the Dreadnaughts after we talk to those present? I'm voting to talk to the astartes now, because they're literally right in front of us.
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>Make a speech to those present, so they can know that TalOS is thankful for their loyalty.
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>Discuss their mental state
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>>5521430
>Discuss their mental state
I would like if we can thank them all for their loyalty as well
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Hey QM. In our absence who is the 2nd Princeps in nominal command of Legio Astorum?

The one most likely to attempt to commune with the Particeps Semper if we truly were gone, since Titans can go through multiple princeps in their lifetime. Or at least lead the Legio in battle.
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>>5522005
TalOS is not in command of the Legio Astorum and the only tie to them TalOS has is through ADM1N. As for who will get Particep Semper, honestly I think there can be something cool like the Chapter Master has to operate the Titan.
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>>5522217
He'd at least be akin to a Princeps Senioris in practice given he's directed a maniple in battle. A Legio is headed by a Grand Master Princeps, followed by Grand Marhsals who are above Princeps Senioris that control maniples of Titans. For them to be in that position means they are seen as superior and senior to all the rest of the entire legio. Where there may be thousands or millions of knights in a galaxy, and hundreds of Princeps across the Legio's of man, there would only ever be one Grand Master per Legio. Am curious who it is.

Wish there were more named Princeps. Barons and Dukes are usually named, but a lot of the times we refer to "the other princeps". They'd kinda be just as famous I feel, given how much more difficult it would be to be to princeps even a scout titan vs a knight
Interestingly if Borgius and Navarro are both Mechanicum Questoris houses, then their Kings would style themselves as "Knight Princeps" as well as High Kings.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/High_Monarch

A Reichsmarshal/Chapter Master becoming the replacement princeps would be fitting, since a senior rank is Grand Marshal Princeps.
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>>5521430
>Seek out the Dreadnaughts
I want to help the paraplegics
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>>5521430
>Seek out the Dreadnaughts
There is so much that can and should be done for them, so much they can do. It shouldn't be considered an impairment, nay, it should be an increase in their abilities.
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>>5521430
>Seek out the Dreadnaughts

I wanna say hi to the tin cans
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>>5521430
>Seek out the Dreadnaughts
They are the future our legion should strive for. Union of flesh and machine. But not if we leave them like the bog standard variety.
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Mental State
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Dreadnaughts
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Speech time
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I did not think it would be this competitive, but the results were expected.
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With those words exchanged the two of them went into a back room that was marked off from the standard barracks. Such a thing, while being odd in the earlier years, the times of the Proelitor have come where privacy of information was one of the greater needs.

TalOS looked around the room to see a great many trophies that were taken from battles. On one wall was a series of banners from fallen Empires that the Proelitor had participated in the destruction of. Of them, the one that caught TalOS’s eye was a banner of a skull with blood coming out of it like a fountain.

He gave his focus upon it for a moment, and suddenly any presence within the warp the token might have possessed was eaten by TalOS. The Primarch noted that the banner will need to be removed here soon under reasons unknown. He was glad that his sons were able to take down an enemy of mankind, but the article was one of those evil ones.

TalOS continued his looking around of the complex. Next to the series of banners was a plethora of weapons. These weapons however were not the weapons of the enemy but of the Acillian’s own making and those from fallen warriors. Underneath a great many of them were plaques holding the names of either their creators or the fallen, each of which TalOS was thankful to see.

This meant that there were traditions being formed within the Proelitor, and that they were healthy traditions as well. Remembrance and achievement. TalOS was pretty sure both came from the Astarte’s move to Luicus, as even the weapons of the fallen were not allowed to rest previously.

The eras have changed though and Lucius is wealthy. They can all take some resources for their own sanity.

The two of them sat down at a modest table with two mugs of booze between the two of them. The barrel, which they were drinking out of, was brought down from above by Vadar as TalOS was looking around the place.

Astartes and Primarch, both taking their drinks while sitting at the same table. Some never gain this chance, but TalOS had enough time to afford it just this once.
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After a serving of his drink TalOS finally asked the questions he was wondering, +How are you feeling, Vadar? With my ascension I know there have been a great many complications.+

The Astartes gave a firm nod as TalOS spoke those words, +It is… relief Father. Whatever you had done we no longer feel that ever burning anger of a god within our veins. Though we are thankful for that, we feel that we have lost something precious that will never come back.+

TalOS gave a nod of understanding and attention, knowing exactly what it was they lost. No longer were the Astartes bound to TalOS through a psychic link which they were meant to have. It will not harm them in the long run, TalOS understood but in the short term they will feel that.

+It will take you time to recover. No longer are the Astartes of what was once the Second Legion connected directly to me. You are bound to me through oaths of loyalty and by my blood, but the psychic engineering that my Father created is gone.+

+Is that a good thing?+ Asked the Astartes with a hint of warriness, +Will you wish to begin testing our genes to check for mutation?+

+I will do some testing to confirm my hypothesis, that being that there will not be any changes. What genetic issues that were within your genome, the instability which was theorized, has already been corrected when the Legion first met me upon Lucius.+ TalOS said with a firm certainty.

+Then there will not be an issue.+ Vadar answered straightly, obviously not wishing to get into the meat of how that was accomplished with his Father.

The Reich Marshal reached over and got a serving spoon from the barrel, pouring himself another bug’s worth of the alcohol. He reached over and did it for TalOS as well, filling his drink up to full.

The two of them took drinks, with every sip causing the Astartes before TalOS to become more and more relaxed. He was quite a bit tense when they entered the room thanks to his presence as a Pariah, but it seems to TalOS that time was indeed the best solution to all things like that.

+What happened the day I ascended? I have the understanding that you all felt my presence break from you, but what happened?+ TalOS requested as he looked firmly upon his son.

He watched as the Astartes shivered upon the sudden increase in pressure upon him. The Astartes however did not hold his tongue and began to speak.
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+The day that you became what you are now, we all felt a sudden sharp pain upon our souls.+ Answered the Astartes as he pressed his hand upon his chest, +It reminded me of a wound I took upon Terra, where a Techno Barbarian struck my shoulder with a deep gouge. I had to pull the weapon free from my shoulder, and the pain that I felt pulling that weapon out was what that day also felt like.+

+Were there any issues besides a joint experience?+ TalOS questioned as he looked upon his son closely.

+There were no deaths, but a few found themselves coming close to insanity. The experience of having been torn was too much for many, and some found that they were lacking something that they once had. In the time we began our mass exodus to find you, we were lost.+ The Astartes admitted as he looked at TalOS with a sense of drained sorrow.

+I see, before I was acting as the head of everyone. Did the Acillians bring you any assistance?+ TalOS asked as he pressed another question.

+They did. Augmentations helped in filling that hole that was left within us, and it was also the time a great many of our Dreadnaughts began to walk among us again to help guide.+ The Astartes put forward, +Unlike many of us who were debilitated, they were of greater functioning. They did not fully lose what we had, which did not go unnoticed among the Acillians. I allowed a few who had not received catastrophic battle damage to be entombed, and they informed me that they once again felt like they had.+

That was a moment of interest for TalOS. Indeed what they were all experiencing was symptoms of separation from Particep Semper more than from TalOS. After all one of the ways to recover from Titan Death was to becoming one with another Machine Spirit.

+What is the current status of conversion?+ TalOS asked as he was very interested in the answer.

+We are maintaining lower than standard requirements for becoming a dreadnaught, which has been swelling out armored ranks. We are running low on the machines, but you will remedy that.+

>Yes, let's keep it like that
>We are increasing it further. Even healthy Astartes can become Dreadnaughts
>Keep the values lower than normal.
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>>5522746

>Yes, let's keep it like that

The act of being embalmed in a dreadnaught must be something that must be earned, only the most dignified and skillful should receive such an honor.
After that we'll only have to make minor changes to the chassis to give the venerables a little more dignity, and then we'll be the worst legion in the Empire to meet in the vacuum of space.
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>>5522746
>We are increasing it further. Even healthy Astartes can become Dreadnaughts
>The Dreadnoughts capabilities should be increased. They shouldn't be forced to sleep outside of combat, but allowed to lives in service of the Machine God
A dreadnought can be an upgrade with few losses to any space marine. Custodes Dreadnoughts for example have hands and made for waking vigils guarding. TalOS, prior to his nanomachines, had proven this too, himself having lived many years covered in metal and machine from head to toe.

+He could still eat and taste and drink B33R, for can we not graft tongues?
+For fine motor control, there are mechadendrites, servo-skulls, and tools to craft onto their bodies
+For diplomacy, they can project a hologram of a more appealing marine form
+They can hone in their minds and perform research, maintenance, construction.
+Their bodies are modular, able to be adjusted to suit any need, both in war and peace

No more long sleep and cold. They will live again!
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>>5522793
It should be earned.
But need it be earned only in mortal wounds on the brink of death?
Could it be earned through valorous service or exceptional skill?
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>>5522746
>Yes, let's keep it like that

>The Dreadnoughts capabilities should be increased. They shouldn't be forced to sleep outside of combat, but allowed to lives in service of the Machine God
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>>5522746
>We are increasing it further. Even healthy Astartes can become Dreadnaughts
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>>5522746
>We are increasing it further. Even healthy Astartes can become Dreadnaughts
Beep boop
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>>5522746
>We are increasing it further. Even healthy Astartes can become Dreadnaughts
>The Dreadnoughts capabilities should be increased. They shouldn't be forced to sleep outside of combat, but allowed to lives in service of the Machine God
If Lion can
We should ask if any of our Steel Wardens want to become Dreads. Our brothers terminator honor guards will be so jealous.
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>>5522746
fuck no your average dread nieegh is a whoopin' 120 points or 7 power they might be tought but their firepower is underwhelming. I'd rather take something with more oomph thank you. But I will go for the lukewarm option anyway
>>Yes, let's keep it like that
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>>5522746
>Yes, let's keep it like that

"Keep the values lower than normal."
Whats the difference between option A and C?
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Will option B allow marines to 'take off' dreadnought armour?
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>>5522925
No
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>>5522797
>support
For those Who feel lost and want to become part of the machine god even further
Also very proud of them that they survived being cut off from us and kept most of their sanity, we have to tell them this
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>>5522746
>>Yes, let's keep it like that

I do want to support the praise for how they dealt with the sepparation in general and the dreadnaughts role as advisors in general, we should maybe further develop that function. Keep them more active, maybe even create a way for them to take part in the drinking of B33R at some occasions, since i do recognize how complicated that could be on a battlefield, in dransit or during preparations.
But during maintenance or at festivities there should be the option for them to quite literally partake.

Btw, since we now have dedicated Tech Marines, we could take an advisory role and let them and the accompanying tech priests hash that out, it would make this a completly internal Legion action, giving them more practice of developing themselves further.


further edit: fuck captcha
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>>5522802
Yes!
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>>5522746
>Yes, let's keep it like that
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>>5522746
I am not sure how the others here see it, but i would propose to at either apologize to Ahriman when we meet him and Magnus, or that Magnus delivers our intentions to him.
Or we at least aknowledge that we had a miscalculation when we attempted our soul experiment, since we expected to up and helping much sooner and that we underestimated how fast Magnus could solve the issue of the Flesh Change.
I'd like to hear some opinions, and if its even an option we should think about.
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>>5523498
I agree

I would want for us to send a latter that says that we are happy they found a cure/Stabilizing factor for the flesh change and that we are sorry that our attempts were not as fruitful as we had hoped they would be. Also, i want Ahriman to know that we will still help him with anything, he simply has to ask and we will do it: Familiy watches out for Family afterall.
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I'm writing this up for a competition. It still needs to be proof-read and cleaned up, I want to know if anyone has any pointers they'd like to give to the story.
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>>5523590
I have read it through and while it is a good start there are, as you said, some grammatical mistakes that have to be corrected, To this, there is a very confused sense of storyteller perspective, ince there it no delineation between 2nd person and 3rd person perspective and no differentiation between thought and observation (ie. 1st person narrative and 3rd person storytelling). Also, we are first described the effect of gravity on a room and its effect before we are told about the rooms and its occupants, with the two things conflicting a bit thematically. As in the first part we are told it is a near empty room that can’t stop sounds from echoing around and it is the only source of sound, which is then contrasted by the primaris being chained to the room, which would definitely make some sound when he breaths (this is a nitpick, but the point stands. We are introduced to the effect on an environment before the environment itself, which makes it weird read.). This is something that occurs several times (Though on a much smaller scale), so you may want to change that.

Overall though, i see a lot of promise in it and i like the conversation between the different actors.
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>>5523647
The chains not rattling is because of the Susan Membrane. To my knowledge the body goes into a deathlike state.
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>>5523651
Besides that, I will endevor to fix the perspective.
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>>5523590
QM I'm going to speak from a sentimental point of view.
I felt overwhelmed and uncomfortable reading it. Not because the paragraphs are of poor quality, I mean how I interpreted the feeling of the character in the text, if that was the intention, congratulations.
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>>5523659
That is... a very loaded critique. I do not know if you can really elaborate on that or not but I am open to it. If its because of how the Alpha Legionnaire is playing his game, then success?
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>>5522746
>Yes, let's keep it like that
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>>5523662

Imagine that you are working but you have a problem, you have a stone in your shoe. It's big enough to bother you but not big enough for you to decide to stop your work to get the damn stone out.
What do you do? You keep filling your mind with random thoughts to drown out the discomfort you are feeling.
Forgive me if my criticism came across as an attack, I say with all sincerity that this was not the intention. It's just that a reading tip I was taught is to check if the feeling you want to imply with your text was successfully conveyed.
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>>5523590
For me I think a more clearer narrator perspective might help, as well as the tone and 'voice' of the narrator. Like, there would be a difference in how a disembodied BL narrator would describe the scene, and then how the character themselves would think about the scene.

Here's my attempt at parsing the first paragraph. In my thinking, it's not been introduced yet that we are listening to the thoughts of a Techpriest or Techmarine, so it would have to be somewhat unbiased in matters of faith. I.e. "the techpriests attributed it to the will of the Omnissiah" because not every imperial shares the belief that the Emperor is also the Machine God.

The gravity upon an Imperial Frigate was, no matter how advanced or venerable the vessel, never as constant a concept as gravity felt upon a planetary surface. Graviton generators fed power from the ship’s plasma reactors, whose fiery atomic heart contained the essence of a miniature sun. Like their true counterparts in the void, the reactors ebbed and waned, with flares and surges of power that had to be governed by the ship’s Machine Spirit lest the ship tear itself apart. Conclaves of techpriests performed ceaseless effort to maintain this critical process. With ancient techno-arcana and ritualistic prayer, they chanted binaric verses that provided knowledge and guidance both for themselves and the ship’s Machine Spirit. Despite this, there was always inevitable variation in the way the cogitators responded, which the tech priests attributed to the will of their Omnissiah. This was their explanation for the ever-present gravity shifts which were a constant infrequent event. Whenever there was a significant fluctuation or even a temporary loss of gravity, it was always loud. The groan and creak of the ships hull could be felt in the bones of every soul aboard, and a high pitched wail of machanical frustration echoed in every room and corridor. It took a permanently flesh-bounded machine savant to calm the Machine Spirit, and aid it in the restoration of normal gravity.

Gravity fluctuations was not something commonly on the mind of an Astartes Warrior. […]
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>>5522746
>We are increasing it further.
>The Dreadnoughts capabilities should be increased.
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MORE
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If I did the count correctly we are not stuffing good Astartes into Dreadnaughts, only those who sustained some battle damaged. It does not however need to be catastrophic amounts of battle damage.

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>>5523730 - I did aim to write it completely in the tone of an Astartes. Specifically a Primaris Astartes who had been raised under Cawl. But I can see why a mix-up would start when the discussions of machines begin
>>5523723 - I think I understand? I had a person I am close to read the story and they reminded me that questions related to death and remembrance do really fuck with people. In a way I say I succeeded, as the only real way my work will be noticed is 1) Its got a good description to grab a judge's attention and 2) Its gotta somehow emotionally connect. So with that consideration I will keep it the way it us, but the defense mechanism you described will be considered.
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+I will see about applying that remedy to the Proelitor.+ TalOS declared as he sipped down the drink before him, +We shall stay on the same path and keep up this production of capable Dreadnaught users. As I understand the reason we were able to tap our reserves so aggressively is because you are each compatible with the machine Spirits?+

Vadar gave a heard nod to those words, +That is the reason why. Many other Legions can only make one of their fallen a dreadnaught after nine others have fallen in his place. For those of your Astartes line, every single one of us can be entombed at your command.+

+That is good, that is good!+ TalOS cheered as he gave a hearty laugh as he saw the potential in the future, +Even in their deaths they will still serve. To the fallen then?+

The eyes of Vadar looked up at the glass that TalOS had raised above his head, the Astartes looking at it almost questioningly. He did not do so for much longer as he too raised the glass and finished the tradition, +To our fallen.+

As TalOS had the drink, for the first time, he felt that B33R being that little but sweeter than what was expected. He knew within an instant that was because of his son’s thoughts on the situation and how the mood of the room gave his drink flavor.

It is an odd thought that he had only felt this way until now. It was likely because until now he had never been able to read a room’s emotion through his soul just like everyone else. Now that he can, even in its abominable state, still gives him the insights of a normal person.

TalOS finally lowered his drink the moment it was emptied to ask a question, +Do I have the understanding that the Dreadnaughts walk these days?+

+They do. Many of them have expressed their desire to walk in recent events to help watch over the Proelitor and give their assistance.+ Vadar answered cleanly and clearly.

+Then take me to where the majority of them are. I wish to give my thanks to them and understand their circumstance.+ TalOS expressed as he began to rise.

+Then I ask that you follow me, Father.+ Vadar answered as he took in the direction of the door exiting the room.

Without error or extra word TalOS followed his son.
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The Barracks would be called a barracks in the days before, but TalOS started to feel its name should change in these most recent days. There were some rumblings of calling it a Monastery as those within it were still held to the Cult, but others have given the descriptor of Citadel to TalOS.

Both were very much good descriptions of the facility.

For those who argued it was a Monastery they would point to all the iconography that was placed around the place. Symbols that showed the Proelitor’s devotion to the Mechanicum and the Machine God who rules over them.

It can be something as simple as a series of skulls that are lining the doors. Against each skull was three or more cogs that ran counter to them across the ceiling and pillars. There was the occasional combination spot where the two would meet, creating the symbol of the Cult Mechanicus.

That was the point though where the Monastery stopped and the Citadel began. For when one is part of the Mechanicum there is no real arts of statues or words encrusted into walls. Where the remembrancers and artists of the Imperium will make statues of their heroes, the Mechanicum held the greatest focus in the architectural workings of the fortress.

A good example was that in a specific room held twelve strong and mighty pillars that were long enough to shoot up into the upper echelons of the building. These were made at a specific length, 400 units, and are perfectly identical to one another with the exception of location. This was because the Priest who designed and made the pillars wished to challenge himself in veneration of the Machine God, using his tools to create something that could not be done within the help of Machines.

By this and the work of so many others did the building resemble both a work of art as well as a fortress built to precise standard. As TalOS walked its halls he could only think about this fact more and more before they walked through one door which took them out into a training yard.
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The Training Yard was a place filled with Astartes and Acillians who were working to keep up their skills in fighting. In the time between their creation and the first auxiliaries leaving the planet it was found that a majority of Lucian Wildlife were killed by the aggressive hunting of the Acillians.

Only areas that were too dangerous to enter were left alone. Areas that were rated at that point were also areas that the creatures had no chance in making their nest. Thus denied a place to rest and any borrow they made rooted out by the Acillians, no more xenos or wildlife lived upon Lucius.

This was a great boon for the Priests of Lucius, but to the Proelitor it was a significant blow to their training. Thus training yards like this one were built to provide the training required.

The Training yard had a great many things including buildings, gun ranges, and tables for Astartes to perform active repairs on their equipment within. Looking around TalOS noticed that a great many of these were filled with dreadnaughts, each of them either giving some instruction or working with their smaller kin in training exercises.

The only issue was when TalOS stepped outside the great majority of the Astartes had their attention pulled towards him. As they responded to TalOS’s identify markings, they all gave a bow of subservience to the Primarch while showing the Cog Mechanicum.

TalOS soon blurted out the protocol that released their attention, which finally gave TalOS the chance to observe what was happening before him. The Dreadnaughts oddly were acting as if they were standard Astartes, each of them chatting with their fellows and giving out the commands with their mounted vox casters.

They were not bound by what was recorded in other Dreadnaughts of other Legions. How these Dreadnaughts would fall asleep at random or lash out in battlelust due to their last moments of death. TalOS would be the first to compare their actions to those of Knights and Titans. The walking in a regal manner and displays of might they each showed.

>Join in a shooting demonstration
>Mock battles!
>Spar with a Dreadnaught
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>>5524049
>Spar with a Dreadnaught
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>>5524049
>Mock battles!
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>>5524049
>Spar with a bunch of 'Naughts.
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>>5524049
>Spar with a dreadnaught
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>>5524049
Lets play Stacks On. See how many Astartes can stack ontop of a Dreadnought, versus how many TalOS can carry. A childish game to bond with our sons.
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>>5524114
I wanna see this now
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>>5524049
>Mock battles!
>Other: Pick the best of them to join our Steel Wardens!
If Perturabo will surround himself with giant killer robots, I see no reason we cannot one up him with the same!
Except we also don't discredit our non-dread Steel Wardens either.

Surely if our dreads are like Knights and Titans, we will want a regal bodyguard no?
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>>5524225
Might be a bit bulky for constant Tag-Alongs. Maybe a battlefield retinue though
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>>5524331
Battlefield Retinue is fine. Though to be fair Primarchs are inherently bulky. We have to have very specific architecture where ever we go anyway. And with TalOS paranoia, he might be inclined to always have his Steel Wardens nearby and/or in teleportation readiness at a moments notice (in addition to all the turrets) so they may not necessarily need to be physically nearby but able to be ported in on a moments notice.

Flipside is if there's places too small for us we can just insist either their delegation comes out, or we communicate with them via hologram instead.
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>>5524049
>Spar with a Dreadnaught

>if possible the oldest in the legion or the eldest in the yard
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>>5524049

>Mock battles!

I still remember at the beginning of this story when we had to unify our legion, we used this same method.
Furthermore problems and practical observations appear more easily on a battlefield, even a not so fatalistic one.

QM would it be possible to take our mechanized children to hunt mutants like in the old days?
Furthermore, will it be possible for us to discuss or share our knowledge of nanotechnology with the cult members of the second legion? I just think the idea of a dreadnaught with nanotechnology really scary, and relly fun!
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>>5524515
As said in the post above, all native creatures that were previously hunted have been hunted to extinction.
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>>5524049
>>Spar with a Dreadnaught
Shoot the shit up!!!
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>>5524364
>We have to have very specific architecture where ever we go anyway
I am not sure though. Currently with our nanite body we might have cut some excess weight off.
I do wonder, what does T4L0S look like now?? The same as before or something else
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>>5524627

It's a pity, so it will have to be second against second. But that's not so bad, maybe we'll be able to see new ways to use our troops.
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Spar with a Dreadnaught
>>5524053
>>5524057
>>5524062
>>5524080
>>5524225 - I'm sad this did not get more support
>>5524376
>>5524515
>>5524680
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>>5525239
I mean you can always make it happen
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>>5525249
Its too ridiculous, and I like the idea of expanding the Steel Wardens.
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>>5525239
QM did you count things right? You put mock battle together with spar
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Spar
>>5524053
>>5524062
>>5524080
>>5524376
>>5524680

Mock Battle
>>5524057
>>5524225
>>5524515

Oops
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>>5525239
I like to imagine during war scenes, we will be able to revisit some of these if they are helpful. Like if TalOS steel wardens get overcome and he has to save himself, or if many of them just get wounded, he will include dreads in his retinue.

Or at least when we see that Perty has big stompers we will decide to match him then.
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>>5525251
[Spoiler]Make it next turns vote.
Have TalOS be impressed by the spar and consider it.
Dark Angels have a whole 1st company of Terminators, we can afford a fancier Steel Wardens
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TalOS thought to himself for a moment, his eyes glancing from one side of the field to another. Thoughts of the several tons worth of metal and experience being used here was something that did not fail to strike TalOS. It was being put to good use here, but with the new authority made by TalOS there will be plenty more to go around.

What he needed to do was reap from his sons the power that was here. To get the power that would have been expended here for his own gain.

This decision came into his mind and TalOS could not help but speak it, +Dreadnaughts of the Proelitor! I see you here today for I wish to see your might!+

With a powerful declaration like that the attention of everyone was quickly ensnared into his persona. TalOS did not have the benefits of the warp before when he spoke like this, but now that his soul was present none could deny him the sheer charisma that was he was designed to give out.

+Those who I recognize today shall become members of the Steel Wardens as the newest brand of the honored warriors. As I or my fellow Priests walk upon the battlefield while the standard Steel Wardens are acceptable, none possess the sheer firepower of might that you possess besides the Titans and Knights.+ TalOS made sure they knew his ideas as he continued his words, +Fight me for the honor, only the worthy will get the chance.+

A sudden cheer from the Astartes came through the training courses as Dreadnaughts began to move like waves. A great many of them who were instructing gave their condolences to their students and began their leave, which caused the students who were learning from them to follow their massive masters to the training grounds.

As he was the challenger TalOS started following them towards the position that he elected. The amount of fervor in the air sweet upon the tongue of the Pariah as his nanites prepared his body for the coming battle.
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TalOS stood at one side of the field with a host of both Astartes and Acillians cheering him on. The dread that they all felt when TalOS first walked among them was quickly being washed away by the sheer amount of emotion that was carrying itself through the air. An intoxicating sensation that TalOS realized was the reason so many crowds were taken over by this force.

When one’s soul released it, it would spill into another’s soul. A repetitive cycle that caused bloodlust within civilian populations to rise to an apex of slaughter.

For today it will not reach that. As TalOS squared up against his fellow, the two of them stared at the other.

+Venerable Voch, I have read up the records of your battles in both your previous life and your current one. A fighter in the deserts of Europa and the first to step upon an alien world.+ TalOS said as he finished the calibration of his mechanrites, +In your current like you have killed thousands of Aliens and man alike, serving alongside by Father in his earliest of years. For one such as yourself to challenge me first is an honor.+

+My honor is to spar with my Primarch.+ The old machine declared as subtle breaths, +I was of the Legion before the Burning Anger, now I stand before you rid of it. That time though has tempered me, so that I may stand before you are a warrior!+

+Come and make your strike, for you have fought a thousand battles both inside and outside your blessed form. Show me the veneration of a veteran!+

TalOS spoke those words which were responded to with the blowing of an airhorn. Such things were not standard on dreadnaughts, which meant that the Venerable Voch had one installed because he saw the Titans and Knights had it as their warcry.

With a sweep of his hand TalOS brought out the Omnissiah Axe that was given to him by the Fabricator General himself. He felt the powerfield of the weapon begin to light up to his silent prayer, which was enough for the Primarch to brace for the coming impact.

The fight was on, and TalOS already knew the result.

>Defensive plays, test out their aggression
>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all
>A balance approach for balanced measurements.
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>>5525503
Sorry for the short update, but shit happened in a Pathfinder Campagin. A Hellknight (Me) Was left alone with a Tiefling. One knows the result already.
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>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all

Time to give them a taste of their future!
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>>5525503
>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all
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>>5525503
>A balanced approach for balanced measurements

Probably good to get data on both equally
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>>5525503

>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all.
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>>5525503
>>A balance approach for balanced measurements.

Maybe put in quick switches inbetween aggression and defense, see how they act on the fly.

Also, i am very interested how the Astartes will react if we can just tank a Dreadnaught fist thanks to the nanites.
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>>5525503
>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all
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>>5525503
>Aggressive
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>>5525503
>AGGRO
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>>5525503
>Fight aggressively, they are going to be guardians after all

>>5525505
How many spawnlings?
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Aggressive Fighting
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>>5525524

Balanced
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we fite
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There was no holding back the Machine Spirit of a Dreadnought, and Voch wished for vindication, thus the claw that was coming towards TalOS was at full speed and without mercy. He could taste the anticipation in the air as everyone wondered if a Primarch was really strong enough to fight against the death machines of the Mechanicum.

As TalOS swiftly batted away his son’s claw it was obvious that there was no going easy upon their Primarch.

The battle which had begun with the Dreadnaught swinging quickly changed as the realization of TalOS’s strength was whetted upon the tongues of his sons. Their Primarch was strong. That while he kept the form of a man he was indeed a Machine.

TalOS’s strikes dug deep into the armor of the Dreadnaught. The Venerable one likely caught off guard by the sheer tenacity of his father. Like an nimble assassin TalOS began moving in and through the limbs of Voch with calculated movements and with ease.

This lasted for ten strikes, some of them getting through the armor of the dreadnaught and others simply glazing the hard metal shell which encased the dead within.

TalOS knew the surprise that was casted upon Voch was quickly cast off as the Dreadnaught’s gun began to move in a seemingly erratic manner. He stopped midway and took a step back as three rounds from the Avenger Gatling Cannon dug deeply into the ground between the two of them.

The Dreadnaught was unleashed, and so was TalOS as his muscles began to bulge. Skin, which was previously a darkened beige, started to darken to a grey as metal rose to the surface.

With a lunge TalOS sent himself forward away from the Bolter and trying to strike a deep gouge into the Dreadnaught’s lower torso. The Primarch watched as the Dreadnaught brought down his arm and successfully intercepted the blow by allowing the poweraxe to dig into the gauntlet.

TalOS felt a second go by as the gun upon the Dreadnaught twisted towards him. His next second was filled with the ground as the Primarch released his grip upon the Omnissian Axe and ducking under the limb to strike at the pits of the shoulder gears. Sparks flew as the Primarch got in a debilitating strike.

He watched rapidly as the the Dreadnaught twisted in an unnatural manner that would have flung so many others away. He felt the gunbarrel of the Dreadnaught slam into TalOS and sent him flying roughly ten units away from his opponent.
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Those who were watching this felt their hearts twist as they witnessed an injury taken by TalOS by his son. Hatred almost filled their hearts, but it subsided as they noticed TalOS landed on his feet.

The Primarch, uninjured, raised his head and looked upon Voch with a grin. Within his hand was the Omnissian Axe. Those who would look at the other side could see the ruin that was brought upon the Dreadnaught’s arm, as well as the Avenger Gatling Cannon which could no longer spin.

The fear of those who were around TalOS felt as his blood rushed. His soul was singing, burning up the refuse of the warp and those around him. TalOS allowed himself to breath, knowing that his opponent no longer possessed a weapon capable of fighting him at a range. The sun above basked him, and TalOS no longer felt the building hunger.

Determination flared and TalOS ran down the battlefield with his axe brought against his son once again. TalOS took one step to the side, watching as Voch quickly realized what was the target of TalOS’s incoming attack.

The Dreadnaught lunged over and covered his flank, denying TalOS a bid at those that would have stood behind the Deadnaught. None knew that had happened, thinking Voch had extended himself to the side and losing the last of his gun to the Poweraxe which cleaved through the damned weapon.

If one was human they would not have been able to do anything standing so far extended, but the Dreadnaught twisted upon his hips in a way that no human will ever be able to mimic within their lifetimes. This allowed his fist to come towards TalOS and forcing the Primarch to dodge the attack with a step out of the direction.

TalOS quickly blocked, receiving the strike with the strength of a Titan. Such strength allowed him to stand his ground and direct the damage in such a way that his heels dug deep into the ground. With the same strength and an algorithm of trajectory TalOS sent the limb away from him while quickly dodging the Avenger Gatling Cannon which was returning to its proper position.

Such movement meant it was dangerous for TalOS to step forwards his son, and already the Dreadnaught was moving to finally recover the flank from TalOS’s encroachment.

Like that they were at rest, +Thats it, any further battle and the Machine Spirit will fail. You pass.+

+Understood. Thank you.+ Voch said as the numerous alarms that were being suppressed sounded themselves across the field.
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The trials continued as the sun began to set, which for TalOS was the time for activities to settle down. Without the direct radiation of life from the nearest star TalOS was to cause much more suffering to those around him. Other stars could be used, but they were nothing like the basking of one which had control of an entire planet.

In the end TalOS sparred thirty Dreadnaughts, each with a variety of success while others did not succeed in the test that was presented. Those who were tested knew the honor in not speaking of the tests hidden within the spar, thus TalOS was able to root out those who did not possess the wisdom to know when he was committing the test.

His sons did not see it but TalOS did sustain injuries. How they did not know of the injuries was that TalOS was able to heal with incredible speed. It was subtle, but his knowledge allowed the machines within his flesh to move at a faster rate and transmit their healing works upon his flesh without error.

It would be forgetting that TalOS avoided a great many injuries with these same machines hardening his skin. With more and more practice TalOS might be able to survive direct hits from artillery and plasma based weapons without error. All it took was the time and practice to keep the flow of the Machine Spirits within his skin.

As he was not injured TalOS was kneeling at the feet of another venerable being. The Dreadnaught was staring at him as TalOS tore into the shoulder and began the rerouting of wires with prayers said within every breath.

+Why do you kneel?+ Venerable Koch asked as TalOS successfully released his shoulder socket to fix the metal within.

+You have fought well as a warrior and operator of the Dreadnaught.+ TalOS said as he placed the broken arm before him for examination, +The union between you and the chassis’s spirit is divine, thus as a Priest I see no reason to not venerate such union.+

A wave of discomfort washed towards TalOS, the taste sickening for unlike anger, laughter, or fear it held a limit. A poison that only mankind suffers.

The man within the machine held his tongue as he measured his response. Whatever morals that were within him finally spoke, +I am Venerable, but not an object of Worship. Please to not degrade yourself to that.+
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+I am not kneeling in servitude, but acknowledgement. I also need to do so to work upon your limbs, so I do not wish for you to complain.+ TalOS said as he began removing the metal upon the gauntlet.

There was a long, drawn silence upon those words of TalOS. The Fabricator General looked upon the limb closely before his hands unbolted the parts which had previously held the metal close. Bolts were easily removed and the plates taken from them with the ginger care that TalOS could dedicate to it.

He began to pray to the piece, his eyes looking upon the movements of wires as he awakened the Machine Spirit within to help in its operation. A few signs were made and the wires began to move on their own towards their points. These were self repair protocols though, nothing to relate to the Motive Force.

+I have been of your Legion in the times before we were afflicted with anger.+ Voch announced as he watched TalOS move, +We were changed during those days closer to what we are. Many went insane and our growth was stippled.+

+Thus you compensated with use of more exotic weapons?+ TalOS pressed forward as a suggestion.

The giant gave a nod to those words, +We needed to feed it somehow, and through complete destruction it was possible. When I died and became Voch, I found that I was the most blessed of the Legion. My guns were the largest, and my wroth felt for miles.+

The Dreadnought looked upon TalOS with a deeper study now, +In that time we finally reconnected with you and became what was to be the Proelitor. We met our Brothers you have built, and with them crafted all manners of destruction. The Mitu were who first felt our wrath, with the Galaxy the next to experience it.+

+Growth and change.+ TalOS realized the reasoning for the long winded discussion before the Dreadnaught could finish, +For now the Legion has changed again, now that you no longer feel a Titan’s fury.+

The machine before TalOS held its tongue upon his reasoning. IT was however a tongue that knew it would not be censored, +I have seen all these changes before my eyes. How many more shall we endure.+

>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
>The plan is one more (Time to work on the Astartes and Acillians)
>No more (No more modification of the Geneseed and anatomy.)
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>>5526597
>The plan is one more (Time to work on the Astartes and Acillians)
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>>5526597
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
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>>5526597
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
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>>5526597
>>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
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>>5526597
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
>As many as it takes my son, as many as it takes
>do not think that you are unworthy of praise Koch/Voch, you as one of my sons are as the brick or cog are, a piece of the Whole but no less important in your role to assist in this Grand Working
>I do not want to inflict these changes upon you against your will, or without first having blazed a trail for you to follow *put our hand against his Thoracic casing* I do not wish to merely be your Creator, or to only be a prototype your kin are copied from, I truly want to be your Father and Patriarch.
Hey, MachineQM, can we do a Nanite Lay on Hands? Or at least attempt it here to speed along his Self Repair cycle
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I would like to say "No More". But I wanna hear what u guys want to do with our Sons. Whats wrong with the Acillians? It sounds like Voch was implying the Astartes were not that pleased. Lets avoid our autistic children betraying us, or at least getting [EXPUNGED]
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>>5526683
Grey Goo Baptisms
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>>5526597
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
>Improvement is a never ending path of small changes upon ones mind, body and equipment. It is a path that never ends, for there is always something that can be improved or bettered to the circumstances around us. A small change of material composition to improve electrical flow, a change of outfit to better fit a high-g environment or something else, no matter what it is, growth and change is never-ending constant, for there is always something that could be done better or smarter.
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>>5526597
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
>OTHER: Establish precedence that everyone, from Marine to Dreadnought, is encouraged to upgrade their forms as they see fit, so long as they do not tread the path of heresy. As they increase in rank, knowledge, and seniority they are allocated more resources and assistants to increase in size, scope, and ability (or in the case of Recon/Scout marines more advanced and agile parts)

>tldr; make it so even the Iron Hands think we might be going a little bit too much - the older+smarter a marine/techmarine/dread gets the more they are given resources to change and improve themselves like they want. Go nuts!

"The Emperor gave me His blessing to mold my body in every way. You, my sons, are the steel and flesh of my body, and so this blessing is yours as well. As I constantly seek to upgrade on a path that will never end, let it be your quest too"
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>>5527050
Are you insane?
We told them emperor is just a man, that they now follow the machine god and you show them the 'Approval of the Emperor' as some great achievement, when he asks us wary of the changes and trials they have endured.
Subtext mate.
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>>5527121
Ah shit, you're right.
Well, i'd cut out the bit about the Emperor then.

I just want to encourage our sons not to be afraid of upgrades.
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>>5527050
Switch to just
>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)

Man we're keeping the dreadnoughts the same number and we skipped a chance to include some in the Steel Wardens. Hope we can push the envelope just a little bit more somewhere.
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>>5527154
>include some in the Steel Wardens
Didn't QM add it to the update here?
>>5525502
>Those who I recognize today shall become members of the Steel Wardens as the newest brand of the honored warriors
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>>5527160
Ah, so he did. EVEN BETTER!
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>>5526940
I'll point out that he's suffering from what a lot of Dreadnaughts suffer. He's an old guard, and being an old guard he has seen at least four tranformations of the Legion. Some, like Rylanor, only had to witness at most two transitions.
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>>5527264
Ouch.
There's very little we can do about that.

Even Roboute Guilliman feels that about his modern boys and the Primaris.

Would TalOS feel that about his 40k sons?
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>>5526597
>Countless
The prolitor can not be stagnant.
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>>5526597
>also need to do so to work upon your limbs, so I do not wish for you to complain.+ TalOS said as he began removing the metal upon the gauntlet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCFcs3Ej1XM
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>>5526597
>>Countless (We are gonna have some fun)
T4L0S Train goes damn fast and it has no breaks!!
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One more time
>>5526605

Countless
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The Primarch gave a nod of understanding as he did his wonderous work upon the limb that was taken from the Dreadnaught. He did not hold in his movements, instead allowing the flow of ritual to clear his mind and give him clarity that would see him through a modest subject.

+Change is something that is ever coming and flowing. Few would claim the Mechanicum can change, but with the discoveries of the new age we have become stronger and much more knowledgable.+ TalOS said as his hands moved through the armored limb with the deafness of a venerable Priest, +In these times to stop changing is to invite stagnation. If we stagnate, we will suffer for it.+

+Then the Legion will keep changing.+ The Dreadnaught might have lacked the tack for this situation by saying those words. Did TalOS care for such tact, no he did not.

+You are correct.+ TalOS said as he began to inspect the work he had done, +We will keep the changes happening until my death, at which point I hope that you will be in a capable state that does not need me.+

+You… you expect your passing?+ The Dreadnaught sounded with a great amount of horror as those words passed through his vox caster, +How can you say such a thing.+

TalOS felt a small laugh well up form his chest as he heard those words, +Because I exist within the Universe. At one point, even before I met the Legion, I was almost assassinated by the Plastoids. Through the will of the Machine God I am still among you, for he is the one who saved me.+

As TalOS said those words he began to move his hands in an erratic manner. Memories of previous workings and practice were calculated within his mind. IT was subtle, too slow for it to be used on the battlefield, but upon TalOS’s movement the metal which had been destroyed by his axe began to buff out and mend.

+I learn from him the secrets of this Universe. Do well to follow me on that journey.+ TalOS said as he mounted the piece of wondrous craft into the shoulder joint of his son.

+I will do so as far as I am able, Father.+ Declared the Astartes as he began testing out the limb.
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With the recruitment of the Dreadnaughts to the Steel Wardens, TalOS saw the Legion begin to shift towards his idea of its designs.

The amount of Dreadnaughts once supplemented by the forges of Lucius were quickly being filled by the injured that were upon campaign. Many, if they were given the choice between a bionic implant or entombment, had chosen to be entombed for they felt themselves more when they were one with the Machine.

When one considers the amount of Dreadnaughts that are being produced the numbers will quickly outstretch other Legions. Such was the nature of all the other Legions only having Mars to feed them such Chassis, while Lucius itself supported the Proelitor.

Such changes TalOS would say are good ones to be made. As a Princep he was partial to the idea of man-integrated weapons of war. The Dreadnoughts were the closest thing TalOS had to himself, and those who became Dreadnoughts realized the unity they were missing when they became one with the Machines.

Time went forward for the Primarch, making sure that the Parliament which sponsored the growing development of his Federation supported him. Thus it was reason to host among them a convention to once again establish himself as the sovereign of the Federation since his absence in the eyes of the common people.

The chamber was lit but the style of the chamber had changed. No longer was there were simple bleachers but instead a series of chairs and desks for people to settled their papers and dataslates upon. As such it required much more room and a lot of articulation. If there was a group however that could achieve this easily it would be the Priests of Lucius, and TalOS will claim they did their job in an fantastic fashion.

Everyone was already at their desks when TalOS approached the chamber. He could feel in that single moment the amount of fear that was generated by his sheer presence as a Pariah. The Nobles were forced to look away from TalOS along with a score of Knights and Priests. Of the latter two though, a great majority of them kept their vision locked upon TalOS even as they felt his presence.

Such a thing was expected, TalOS realized, as they needed to become used to his soul-eating presence. For now he will operate as normal and gave out the call for everyone to raise their heads, +Protocol 11544.+

And with that everything began anew.
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As he was the leader TalOS stood tall above everyone, with the only member at his side being Fabricator Locum ADM1N ready to act on his behalf. TalOS scouted the room with his eyes for a last minute of study so that he would have the ability to understand their feelings. The Nobles who felt his glare creeped deeper into their chairs.

Their minds were confused. Before TalOS was a normal person that did not even seem too superhuman to them. Now, without the Blackstone to hold him back, TalOS was a monster which tore into their previous notions of reality. If they thought that the reality was plain and were skeptical to things such as gods and daemons, they were second guessing those thoughts.

As he turned towards the Knights they were in a similar form, but many of them stood up to what TalOS was displaying. To show his thanks to them TalOS gave them a nod of affirmation, some even having the power to nod back as TalOS’s attention had singled them out.

For the Priests many also stayed stoic, but the Noosphere was alight with activity about how to balance themselves against TalOS’s gaze. Such trading of tips TalOS did not mind, since he wanted things to be closer to normal than for him to be seen as a tyrant.

With his examination done he spoke, +My Brotherin, Warriors, and Nobility; it is my honor to once again walk among you in this esteemed chamber. By the will of the Machine God I live, with today we will administer his will.+

TalOS allowed a subtle moment for everyone to take in his words, +In the time that I was gone Fabricator Locum ADM1N had taken charge and operated the Federation as well as he could. But the peace that the Federation experienced was not just because of ADM1N but all of you, for with your powers combined you have supported his reign! To that I am grateful and know that when the ultimate fate befalls me that the Federation will prosper!+

The speech was a combination of praise and might that quickly overrode the previous feelings of those present. TalOS learned with his sons that the presence of a Pariah could be overwhelmed through the increase of everyone’s will, and as such he raised their spirits by upbringing his own.

Though he had no presence in the Warp it did not mean TalOS couldn’t touch their souls. All else held equal, TalOS began to realize that he could succeed in touching their hearts now more than he ever could.

>Settlement of a Dispute
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
>Tariffs between Planets
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
Better make sure that the government can run well without us, since we will be campaigning with the crusade now.
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it: [Install the Taghmata Omnissiah]
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Taghmata_Omnissiah

Oh sweet, FEDERATION ACTIONS!
There are many I'd like to see happen, but if I had to pick one we should really just make the Taghmata a thing and fully integrate all planets into proper Mechanicum structure. We will not be like other forge worlds who surround themselves with Imperial Planets. The Federation is Mechanicum land!

Our ships will not join the Navis Imperialis, but the The Basilikon Astra
Our munitions not to the Munitorum but the Munitoria Logis.
We will not have Imperial Governors over our Hiveworlds, but Archmagos Intendants.
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>>5527864
Most of all, like Ultramar, we handle our own Tithes.
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>>5527852
>Settlement of a Dispute
Eh, the rules and hierarchy can be set by our Locum. I want to do it like that famous king and cleave a baby in half, because two women claimed they were the mother
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Depending if we can have this turn and a few more, anyone wanna discuss the actual structure of our worlds? Roboute was able to make every planet in Ultramar towards his personal utopian ideals, such as lack of pollution and minimized overcrowding. Surely we can do even better.

We've got our Federation, we can try to fine tune it.

Some ideas:
>Subsidize Tech-Thrall Regiments, so that our Skitarii stop being the grunts and start being the elite troops they were always meant to be
>Adjust Servitor Standards: Promote a Culture where they aren't seen (only) as punishment, but a noble final act. Akin to Purgatory or Repentias, where they earn piety through true service witout pain or fear. Even a peasant in his older age can earn both spiritual favor and a stipend for his family by submitting himself to become one rather than corpstarche. Only the truly wretched heretics go into Thallaxi
Knights and Nobles have golden and fancy servitors in the lore for example, that don't look (as) horrific. Plus we can move them away from the peoples eyes. We are no longer starving, and we have many new Agri worlds, 3/4s of them fuedal and 1/4 being high yield as was agreed with them before. Seems a waste to grind up good material for fresh workers and troops
>Separate Servitor/Techpriest planets from organic populations. Thereby forge worlds, mining planets and others no longer need to sustain a biosphere or be concerned with pollution. Mining worlds can be established faster by avoiding the need for terraformation and atmosphere creation.
>Encourage every system to have a balanced amount of Agri, Hive, Forge and Fortress Worlds (Farmwelt, Stadtwelt, Fabrikwelt, Festungswelt.) so they are more sustainable during a siege. Hive populations retreat to the fortress worlds for armament into militia where there is time and food is stockpiled in the fortress worlds, rather than the agri-worlds
>Subsidize Ogryn Abhuman Planets on Heavy Grav worlds
I really want to see this in particular happen. Ogryns are just flat out better than humans in all regards except intelligence, and we can fix that in so many ways. We're the genetor after all.

Seriously a tabletop Ogryn model is comparable to a Space Marine! (3 wounds and 4 attacks each, not to mention Strength 6 Toughness 5). But instead of tedious decades of training and weaning out, you just feed them and shove a gun in their hands and put a Commissar next to them. Only we can do better even than that. Just imagine if we armor them up so they have +3 saves just like marines do.
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
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>>5527852
>Settlement of a Dispute
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>>5527864
That you think it means and what I am hinting at are different. What you have there is standard Mechanicum Fanfare, what is happening is much more human.
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>>5528136
Hmmm, wonder what it is then.
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
They deserve some respect for their competence in not fuck up immediately after we were gone for a while, but a 1% chance of the federation collapsing is still a chance that we won’t take
FOR THE FEDERATION!
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>>5527852

>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it.
If we do this correctly, we won't have to be here for every possible decision. This is the option that is looking in to the future of the federation, with success in mind.
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it

>>5527909
I like most of these, especially getting Ogryn. We need some more big bois we can strap guns onto
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>>5527852
>Hierarchy and the laws surrounding it
>>5527909
Maybe we can just check with QM if at least some of these are already being done. Agreed on ogryns, they're badass. Best class in Darktide.
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The name anon has been saying the same SINCE THREAD TWO, by the omnissiah if he doesn't shut up he will meet the end of my arc maul!!!
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>>5528997
Relax Anon he just likes ogryns, nothing more than that, there is no need for you to kill him for that.
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>>5529060
He's also not wrong about ogryn. There's some serious potential given TalOS status as a master genetor. There's a reason the Imperial guard love them so much. Have you ever seen a commissar as lenient to a baseline human as they are an ogryn?
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With the parliament settled TalOS began reading through the items that were to come up here today. His eyes glazed over the numerous objectives and debates that could be had. His mind focused on a single item which only caused a small bit of confusion.

He was not a fool though, knowing that this issue would be quite annoying if it was not stomped now.

+Today we will commit to the discussion of item 367, the Hierarchy Acknowledgement Debate.+ TalOS declared as he looked at his fellows with a hardened eye, +For this matter I have no immediate opinion, Fabricator Locum ADM1N was the one who brought it to my attention and as such he will present the issue and speakers.+

+Thank you Fabricator General.+ The Priest rose from his seat and had his voice projected through the numerous Vox Casters that were laid about, +I have the understanding one year, three hundred, six days ago a member of House Tollem, a Vassal of Borgius, had challenged Count Veskar of Hive World Keniter to a duel for the infringement of honor the latter had placed upon the former. This event resulted in the death of Count Veskar and the imprisonment of the Tollem as the duel was not sanctioned by me during that time.+

TalOS watched the eyes of ADM1N scout the room, searching for a sense of recognition among those who were present. What he was searching for was found, and those within the room tensed at his words.

+I have the understanding that honor and placement are grand ideas within the Federation. For it is the Machines who give us this sense of honor that cannot be crossed.+ The leader of the Legio Titanicus spoke with intimate knowledge of the matter, +Today we must realize the lines which cannot be crossed, what counts as an insult and what is a justified reason to renounce defamation. I present to the court Duke Keither of House Navaros and President-King of Hive World Lapris, Lorkell.+

Upon those words the two peoples made their way down the hall. They did not bother looking at one another, but TalOS 'taste of the air was that there was no animosity as of yet. The two were simply picked by their respective factions and as such have no reason to bicker.

Will that remain, he knows it will not. For if there was any way to gain the wroth of a Princep or a Knight it would be the matters of honor and law.
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ADM1N looked over the people with a conserved eye that glanced between the peoples who were present. TalOS could guess he was measuring whether they would cause a dispute or roughhousing, for unlike TalOS ADM1N was forced to rule during a time of change. If trouble brewed here it would have spelled the end of his reign upon Lucius and the rest of the Federation.

TalOS was not worried that his Steel Wardens would stop things from going much further than a simple strike against one another.

+Duke, you have permission to speak first to grant us further insight into the matters at hand. Why was the House of Tollem insulted and what is it you wished to have recognized today.+ ADM1N declared as he lowered himself next to TalOS.

As he did so TalOS handed to the Fabricator Locum a dense light connection so that they would be able to trade information discreetly. His connection was received and given the standard prayer of welcome, ‘Hello World’.

+I thank you for welcoming me to Lucius, Fabricator Locum ADM1N and Fabricator General TalOS. The beauty of its architecture and warmachines helps my mind knowing that humanity will conquer the stars beyond.+ Duke Keither admonished with a smile and attempt at seeming sincere. TalOS could taste some sincerity, but it was not as much as the man was speaking.

As TalOS made this assessment the man continued, +It is to my knowledge that the Member of House Tollem, Prince Ascot, expected the Count to give standard greetings as a Count of Dutonis would give to him. The Prince gave the fellow another chance to receive his mercy but was denied, thus the duel that he won was committed.+

The Knight soon declared, +It is within the expectations of the Knights of Dutonis to have those of lower rank acknowledge the fact. We are given such honors in the Imperium of Mankind, I do not see why we should be denied such respect.+

Looking about the room the man was getting nods from his fellows in agreement. The Priests were also nodding to this line of thinking, but unlike the other two groups both sides respected them. The problem here was that the Knights and Nobles were mutually exclusive, meaning respect had yet to really form.

With those words spoken the moderator ADM1N spoke, +Lorkell, you may respond to the Duke’s declarations.+
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+Thank you Fabricator Locum.+ The President-King said as he rose and gave his bows to the Fabricator Locum, +What happened on that day was a tragedy that cannot be so easily looked over. I respect the Duke, and all his Knights who serve to carry us into the stars, but the death of my fellow was unruly and should not be used to dominate those of other planets.+

The Man took in a breath and flipped a stack of papers that were laying on his desk, +We do not bow or kneel to the Houses of Borgius or Navaros because they are not our leaders. It is the Fabricator General, his Fabricator Locum, and subordinates of the executive arm of our Federation which gains that respect. To bow to others is to disrupt the order of things, to give power to those who should not have it.+

With those words given the man looked out into the crowd, +Thus, I ask for the acknowledgement of our agreements and structure, that we should not need to bow or serve masters other than Parliament and the Fabricator General’s Sanctuary.+

With those words spoken he sat back down, which got a lot of the nobles that were behind him giving grins of approval. TalOS pondered an item for a moment as he sent a piece of information to ADM1N, +There is no way for the Nobles of Hive and Feudal Worlds to gain favor, is there?+

The Fabricator Locum held his response for a moment to ponder such words. The response soon came, +They cannot join the Skitarii without losing their rank and none possess warmachines. The only honor that we have gained from among their caste is the occasional Princep, but the Princep loses his rights when he joins the Titanicus as per Lucian Law.+

+We cannot fix it now, for this issue has come up, but when the chance comes we will need to integrate them so that the Knights of Dutonis gains their respect.+

+I will look into the formulation of that.+ ADM1N answered as the debates continued.

In the end for TalOS he knew that these issues were minor in his grand scale plans for the Federation. But what is minor to him is major for those around him, thus to ignore it would bring trouble.

>Side with the Knights (+1 Knight -1 Noble)
>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight -1 Noble)
>Filibuster to irrelevance (40% chance for either to lose a rank of Loyalty)
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>>5529132
Wrote the noble choice wrong. Its -1 Knight +1 Noble.
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>>5529132
>>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight +1 Noble)
The noble has the argument fitting the federation. Also the knight acted behind the laws of the federation.
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>>5529106
>>5529060
About ogryn and thallax and your uncle and your grandmother is a servitor and servitor only worlds....
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>>5529132
>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight +1 Noble)
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>>5529132

>Side with the Nobles. (-1 Knight -1 Noble)
An excellent opportunity to exercise the authority of the federation, we are well on the way to centralization.
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>>5529132
>>siding with the nobles.
I vote for executing the noble. This has to drive the point home for all knights.
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>>5529153
The knight. We kill the knight** we seize their properties and scrap his stead.
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>>5529132
what's our relationship total right now?
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>>5529157
Nobles: 5
Priests: 5
Knights: 5
>>5516217
We got a hit because of the Pariah thing
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>>5529132
>Side with the Nobles

>have the knight released because the duel was accepted but have him pay reasonable reparations' because he didn't bother having the duel sanctioned
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>>5529132
>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight -1 Noble)
>>5529139
We got Thallax.
And we met Uncle Malcador.
QM gave us the option for adjusting servitor standards a while ago but hasnt yet cycled back to those particular set of actions.
These are the threads QM said we get to be involved in the federation, we've just also having to fit in meetings with primarchs and the null project. It's not the wildest thing to present ideas that were talked about a long time ago before we had the federation.
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>>5529184
>Support

The duel was accepted so it wasn't murder, but we will tax that motherfrucker.
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>>5529132
>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight +1 Noble)
Oh shit a chance of rebellion!
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>>5529132
>Side with the Nobles (-1 Knight -1 Noble)
TalOS is right, at some point we should get the Knights to respect the Hive nobles. Their Kings, Dukes and Barons are every bit as valid as those of the Knights. Perhaps some military roles would suffice.

Frankly even without that they need each other and would be up shits creek otherwise. They both produce the two most important resources of the federation: Food and Population. Without the knights guarding the agri-worlds, the Hives would starve or cut back population severely and also have to stretch their resources to food production. Without the Hives, the Knights would lose the tremendous amount of wealth and goods flowing into their worlds from the export of food that their feudal societies couldn't hope to produce in ten thousand years.
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I wasn't expecting us siding with the nobles so overwhemly. What arguments could we make in favour of the knights?
I can't think on any... they live in a rigid system that is the ONE that allows them to pilot the Steeds and the machine also influences the knights. It is reasonable to say that they only act the way they do because they Can't do it differently. In other words, siding with the nobles is not punishing the knight at fault, but going against their customs... In that regard, the nobles are much more flexible and should be able to accomodate the knights. The nobles are diplomatic and deal with harder tasks in management, compared to the knights and their theme parks.

Oh damn, now that I am thinking arguments in favor of the knights, I am kinda feeling like supporting them. What arguments there are for the nobles side???
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>>5530409
Exactly as stated, that the Knights ARE NOT the rulers of federation and ARE NOT be default able to enforce their traditions upon other member states of the federation.

That this should be done to be respectful is a none argument in the eyes of it being a law. By passing in favour of the knights, we would be setting one above the other in the eyes of the law.
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>>5529132
>>5530409
In the present case we should side with the Nobles, since a duel such as the one that was issued can not end in the death of a participant.

However, instead of shaming the Knights, we shoudl create a code for these duels:
That an unaligned member should be present to mediate the duel, in this case it would have been a priest.
That when issued it has to be accepted by both parties and that a duel can not end in death or dismemberment, so as to avoid long lasting feuds.
The both parties agree on a time table the loser is 'shamed' for and a minimum time and act that allows the shamed party to restore their honor before the time table is over.
Neither of these can be against the laws of the federation or be near impossible, the present third party has to verify all of these points in precence.

This way the Knights get their honor code and we avoid costly duels, however the Nobles are now in a position to over time gain favor and respect form the Knights, provided the can win duels.
Addendums, objections and thoughts?
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>>5530441
Codifying and permitting the duels of honour is a good move. It gives ground for the Knights and as you said can present to the nobles a way to earn prestige.
I don't think it will, mind, because the nobles are not warriors but over time they can probably adapt.

I disagree on a period of shaming. A duel is to resolve an issue, rather than place a stain of honour upon another which can be removed by another conditional.
What led you here should be resolved, not instigating a duel to force something else to happen.
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>>5530454
The 'shaming' is a mere social thing, there wouldn't be a major impact on the persons but give a weight to these duels that would otherwise feel hollow. You can interpret the 'shame' as the acceptance of the losing party to that loss and the winner having the option of 'displaying' that win.
Per the first part a party can opt out of the duel altogether, which would put it as a diplomatic matter instead.
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>>5530454
>because the nobles are not warriors
I don't believe this is entirely true either. Canonically many nobles especially from planets with military traditions become warriors and generals themselves. We have integrated the Manachean Commonwealth for example, which would be our largest hive world, and one that produces regiments that are a match for the Solar Auxilia.

Actually in 40k most high ranking warriors tend to be nobles of one type or another anyway.
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>>5530441
>dismemberment
Dude... The techpriest mediating the duel wants it to happen
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>>5530557
Yeah but the one's WE are dealing with usually aren't.

If they were, they would work better in tandem with the Knights to the point of being a more cohesive power bloc and not needing for us to find a way for them to earn Dutonis' respect.
We are dealing with civil leaders, Bureaucrats, farm lords and people who's regard for war is usually the incidental rather than the focus of their duties.

While you are correct that many nobles occupy millitary roles, the one's of the federation's council do not tend to bring these things to our attention so we should not operate under the assumption that they will conform to and endorse behaviors that they do not display.
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>>5530860
>If they were, they would work better in tandem with the Knights to the point of being a more cohesive power bloc and not needing for us to find a way for them to earn Dutonis' respect.
Yeah...really wish that were the case. They're definitely capable of it but weve neglected fostering that sort of thing.

Technically the Knights are the farmlords in our setup but you're not wrong. Even in the most militaristic of hive noble families, most are probably paper pushers. But desu the same could be said of any noble family even the Knights. For every duke or baron or lord with a steed, you've got a family of maidens, nephews and nieces, cousins and extended family who arent going to pilot the rare familial war machine but are part of the household and manage the estate and order the sacristans while the knights are at war.

Maybe if we spin noble military positions and commissioned officers as a chance for families to claim a share of expansion and colonization during this Great Crusade, in the same vein that we keep awarding agri worlds and low tech planets to the Knights, it would go a long ways to fostering a more militarized noble aspect.
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>>5530860
>>5531005
2 points on this, first you don't want them as a more cohesive power bloc, that would destabilize the Federation cause it would mean the would unite against the priests and in some form against us.
Second we are in relative peace times, while preparation is important the knights and priests are more war like so we need at least some counter pole to that so that the Federation doesn't spiral into preparations for a war while ignoring the untapped peace time potentials.
(we aren't in 40k yet, they will have to change when the federation makes it that far. I had hoped that creating an official Duels code could stall until then.)
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>>5531387
To be fair we've pretty much created the Dutonis Knights into one massive bloc. QM consistently mentions 3 blocs of power being the Priests, the Nobles and the Knights of Dutonis. Not even "the Knight Houses," because Dutonis ate all the others unlike everywhere else where there is usually a mix of different knightly houses who balance each other with differing interests and compromise. Dutonis had a hostile takeover of every single knight house in the entire sector, plus gaining additional agri worlds that weve also improved. They hold the food worlds and extricating them in case they rise against us will be messy. In other words, they could unite against us as well and we are already feeling it with this attempt to infringe upon the noble houses.
While we are internally at peace, it's an era of rapid expansion and growth. Basically the situation of the early USA and the wild west. There will always be those who stay and govern the existing core worlds but there should be a drive to keep expanding and developing the new ones we are claiming inside and outside the federations borders. Where the priests have explorators, the knights have what amounts to conquistadors/errant knights, the nobles could be making more rogue trader militants. Expansion results in resource acquisition, increased trade, a greater demand for items produced by our developed worlds which in turn stimulates their own growth. That's the essence of the Great Crusade and how Terra became the Imperium and Mars the Mechanicum.
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>>5531454
We are pretty lucky that the Knights of Dutonis were the ones to win this out, cause we have strong support and connections to both sides of the House. Especially the Prines, who are likely to take over their respective house sooner or later.
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>>5531454
*to add even our forge worlds arent that united. Every forge world has its own fabricator general and interests and their allegiance to TalOS is as leader of the Federation, but they aren't specifically sworn to Lucius iirc. They still hold their identity as a forge world rather than "Mezoa, Forge Vassal of Lucius" or something. Iirc we wanted Synods, not a centralized top down order like Mars.

But every duke and every marquis and every viscount of all our Knight worlds and each and every single member of their family and all their peasants are sworn, at birth and oath and rank, to the Kings of Navarro and Borgius respectively.

>>5531470
But that just glosses over the issue. Yes we are lucky they are loyal and that is a major relief. But it doesnt remove the imbalance of power they could attempt as a bloc to exert on our other factions while still being loyal. Nor that we could also try and should attempt to gain that same level of love and trust from the hives.

Historically having so much power in the hands of a single military caste is a risky affair. From the Samurai, the Janissaries, the Streltsy, the Primarchs
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We can also attempt to centralize the hives under a single reliable leader like Dutonis does. We could could uplift a loyal sector governor and maintain excellent connections with them and their house. This would make keeping the hives in line easier as well for the same reason we can rely on the two Kings and their Princes influence over Dutonis.
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Nobles won, clearly. Sorry I was not able to post Yesterday as someone was really fucking stupid.
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>>5531005
I'll point out the neglect was natural due to the Skitarii Legions being capable enough with the Knights and Proelitor cracking the places the Skitarii could not.
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>>5532550
If a Hive World bothered having something more than a Planetary Defense Force, that force would just be eaten by the Priests.
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>>5532554
It is to be expected, but I do hope we'll have opportunities to ponder the issue more closely.

In reality the Skitarii Legions are only one part of the Mechanicum's forces. The three principle military forces being the Sktarii Legions, the Taghmata, and the Titan Legions. In 30k skitarii are able to act as elite force that fights alongside other supporting units rather than the mainstay troops. It's mostly by 40k since things have gone to pot that the Taghmata take a back role and all that's left is mostly Skitarii (though the books do mention the organization exists in name).

Technically speaking, the Questoris Knights are part of the Taghmata given they aren't formally members of the priesthood or forge worlds but sworn to their King and offer their support.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Taghmata_Omnissiah
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Taghmata_Omnissiah

The Lacyraemara include indentured units and Adsecularis Thrall Covenants, who could ideally form a more suitable role as meat shield and mainline infantry, and one in which the Nobles of the planets could raise their troops to rather than as Imperial Army units, so the Skitarii can further shine in their role as battlefield elite troops.

Something to consider down the line to give the nobles a more military outlet in troop leadership, and further increase our military capacity. I'm sure our Domini would love to have yet more supporting troops.
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Conversations were now being had among the peoples who were within the chamber. A subtle bickering was around, one which TalOS found soothing because it meant that his presence was so normal now that they could talk amongst themselves in a more rude manner.

There was a plethora of ideas and such being thrown around. The honor of a Knight, and the respect that is already being shared to the Priests of Lucius.

As these conversations happened TalOS allowed a few to come to the stand and make their case. The first to be expected was a Knight of Dutonis, their values in valor and bravery making them a more brute force on the political stage.

+What happened upon that day, while sanctioned, was still a dark day.+ The lord said as he looked upon TalOS for the presentation of his case, +We of Dutonis ask that our deeds be acknowledge by those from afar. That our ranking in both blood and combat are seen for what they are to our fellows. That is why we wished to bring this your attention of Fabricator General.+

With his words finished the leader backed down for the next one to make his point. This one was sporting exotic clothing, which was much unlike the Knight who was wearing a ceremonial suit of armor. The one who was before them was a Knight, this was a Noble.

+Much respects to you Fabricator General.+ The Noble said with a courteous bow, +We of the Noble Houses simply do not wish for the order of the current day to be upset. While we respect the planet of Dutonis’s desire to be acknowledge it goes against the foundations of the Federation.+

With those words spoken he returned to his seat, the votes soon being casted.

TalOS was quickly surprised by the result seeing that even some of the Knights agreed to such ideas. That the status quo should be held. That you will only need to acknowledge your superiors in fealty and respect.

With that vote done the rest of the meeting was continued and completed. Most of the items on the dockets of this assembly were easy enough to pass and move forward with. It was easy, but TalOS wondered if these moments were a calm before the storm.

The storm was of course his brother, who was on his way from Terra to Lucius as his people spoke to one another.
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TalOS did not need to be told that his brother entered the system when the event occurred. Whenever there was a sudden transition from the warp, such as a ship coming into realspace, always brought with them a sudden shifting within the Motive Force.

The difference with the most recent ships was that the distortion that occurred did not cease. While it did grow a tad weaker when the flow came towards the planet of Lucius where the Blackstone Fortress floated above the atmosphere.

It was such a powerful presence that his brother exhumed, one that was paradoxical to what TalOS was. It did not matter for the current matters as TalOS looked upon the lines of nobility, Titans, and Proelitor that would be the ones to welcome his brother to the planet.

The ship that the Psyker came in was a standard Storm Bird. Nothing too special like what was hosted by the Emperor or Fulgrim, but his knowledge of the Machines told TalOS that his brother did get a more nimble variant. From his understanding of Psykers TalOS reasoned that his brother was confident that if any attacks were made against his ship that he would see them coming before they happened.

As was standard procedure the visiting Primarch was dropped off at the outside of the walls. Such was signifying that they were to enter as a standard guest, but also be given the most amount of welcome that TalOS would be able to squeeze within the several units of surface area that made contact with the trail. It gave his people a chance to see his brother as well as the Astartes their chance to cheer.

The Titans blared their horns one by one, signifying at which steps that his brother was at. The thing that confused TalOS was that the amount of cheers that welcomed even Fulgrim were much less than previously, with what it seems to be mostly the Proelitor giving the standard greetings.

Such reasonings confused TalOS, for the presence of a Primarch should have overwhelmed and given them cause for exaltation. Especially with the Blackstone Fortress which laid within the atmosphere. That was his logic until he looked upon his brother.

In an instant TalOS understood what his people saw. He saw the one known as Magnus the Red.
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When the description of Magnus the Red was given to TalOS by numerous envoys or Priests, TalOS wondered if they were exaggerating the tone of his skin. All the rumors and tales of his brother were true, to the point that many were inaccurate because they did not go far enough to describe Magnus.

His brother’s skin was a Crimson Red that was inhuman. The only way a mortal man might have approached such a tone of skin that consumed his brother would be if their entire body was flustered with a birthmark. A Birthmark of that scale however would only come out to a deep pink at birth and become brown over time as the body was forever stained by that birth defect.

With those taking into account the facts of the matter were that he was by far a mutant.

Primarch were an odd species of creature where they were both man and not man within a divinely created vessel. Such was the reason someone like TalOS, whose classification is that of a mutant, was marked as a superior breed against other mutants. He could be easily mistaken as human up until his size became several times that of a man and his organs not matching previously known anatomical charts.

For Magnus, whose skin was the same as blood or Martian sand, did not have that luxury. For simple reasons like common sense one does not openly cheer for a mutant. What did not help was his brother’s missing eye, which caused his face to look closer to a cyclops than a normal man.

Such words proved the derogatory term that was thrown around, that Magnus was the King of Cyclops.

All seeing that did to TalOS hurt his heart. His brother, Magnus, lost far more than just a simple eye. By losing that eye Magnus was blind to some aspects of his future and present. He will need to work with others to regain his sight, if he has such capabilities.

Such is the cost with dealing with false gods.

The Primarch soon took steps forward, his feet ascending up towards the apex of the stairs, looked upon TalOS with his one true eye. Feeds that TalOS was getting around him showed a kaleidoscope of different colors caused by the psychic energy that welled within the person that was Magnus the Red.

For TalOS he did not see the variety of colors which infested everyone else’s vision. Instead it was a deep dark gray like a navigator’s. Such was a symptom of looking into the warp for long periods of time, with the end result being the entire eye becoming black.
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Magnus the Red walked up the steps with power in each of them. TalOS studied those that were at his brother’s side, quickly seeing the solemn face of Ahriman looking at TalOS longingly. He was in mourning likely thanks to the fact that his brother did not survive whatever Magnus attempted to fix the plague which attacked their legion.

There were others but only Ahriman was the one to take TalOS’s ire. The other were far more happy and did not seem to mind whatever scorn was being placed upon their souls by the peoples of Lucius.

“My dear brother.” Magnus the Red spoke as he arrived at the step which TalOS stood, “I thank you for the welcome and bringing me to your home today. Seeing Forgespire Solaris with my own eyes reminds me of my home on Prospero. Few would notice it, but the buildings themselves within this city are architectural masterpieces that rival my home’s.”

“The Priests of Lucius will be honored to hear those words. We take pride in all of our works, let it be a simple Lasgun to the great Titans of the Astorum that you witnessed approaching my Manufactorium.” TalOS told his brother with a smile upon his face.

With Magnus so close TalOS could taste his soul directly. By the Machine God it was the sweetest taste that no food in existence could ever replicate. If TalOS was forced to try and make it he knew for certain that his talents as a Genetor would never be able to replicate the experience for mortal minds to comprehend. The closest in mortal terms that could compare the taste of a Primarch’s soul was the forbidden Ambrosia of the Gods.

In partnership with the sheer value of a soul that Magnus possessed, TalOS tasted he could easily taste the emotions. A dangerous curiosity was what went by TalOS’s soul with a sense of danger and even fear. That curiosity however quickly trumped whatever fears Magnus might have had as he shined a smile to TalOS.

Seeing this TalOS extended his hand to his brother, +Magnus, I welcome you to Lucius.”

“Thank you for the welcome.” Magnus said as their hands met. TalOS saw a flinch of pain upon his brother’s face as TalOS’s soul brushed directly against the soul of his brother.

>Discuss the matters of Blanks and Psykers
>The Gathering of knowledge
>The desire for exploration.
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>>5532803
>Discuss the matters of blanks and Psykers
>Make it a point to apologies to Ahriman. We were too slow.

I would like the blackstone back, but I'm fine with him keeping it at this point. No real reason to push it.
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>>5532803
>Discuss the matters of Blanks and Psykers
>The Gathering of knowledge
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>>5532815
actually.
I don't think we should open from a point of common ground rather than closing our distances.

>Swapping blanks to Gathering of Knowledge
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>>5532803
>Discuss the matters of Blanks and Psykers
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"We of Dutonis ask that our deeds be acknowledge by those from afar
Lmao
>Say nothing as they eat other Knight houses
>Automatically designate future Agri-worlds to be theirs (not even as a gift for reward, simply 'we're designated this planet to Duke such and such before the campaign begins)
>Make them the largest knight house larger than several of the next leading galactic houses combined
>Have their heroes be so famous that they are known on Terra and even their dukes get more name drops than the Grand Master Princeps of Astorum
>Give them an unprecedented 1/3 proportion in the senate
>They try to yet further infringe upon the other nobles
Bloody entitled knights, I doubt this is the first we'll see of their scheming. The price we must pay for an endless abundance of mech suits I suppose.
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge

>Make it a point to apologies to Ahriman. We were too slow.

>allow him to keep the Blackstone necklace for being a blank ourselves we no longer need it.
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
Damn Magnus interrupting our comfy senate turns
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
>Make it a point to apologies to Ahriman. We were too slow.
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>>5532815
>support
He can have the blackstone necklace as a gift and an apology for not being able to help him out in the end, I’m sorry nephew we weren’t fast enough
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
>Go to Mom, as is tradition.
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>>5532803
>>5533110
>support
I agree with this, but ask that we start expressing or condolences and just to be safe keep anything relating Magnus out of it, thats between them.
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Guys. The Blackstone will limit and decrease his psychic ability long term.

Kind of not want that to happen. Give it to someone else instead.
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>>5532803
>The Gathering of knowledge
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>>5533244
We know the Blackstone is a different field to us. Could be useful in restraining our souls reach, in the niche manner with which it can be used.

Or just given to Uzi
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>>5532856
>support
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>>5532803

>The Gathering of knowledge.
>Make it a point to apologies to Ahriman. We were too slow.

This conversation is going to be with one of the biggest nerds in the universe, with a little patience we will have all the information we could want.

>>5532836

>‘When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality seems like oppression.’ Franklin Leonard.
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I wonder what's the option that QM would have fun writing the most...

>Go to mom
>Blanks and Psykers
It's the first magnus knows most about. Well blanks is OUR field HAH get it? And I agree about the blackstone pendant. Maybe it can help supress our blank field
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>>5532803
>Discuss the matters of Blanks and Psykers
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>>5533244
Well he doesn't need to wear it constantly. It's would be his choice to wear it.
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>>5533292
Been thinking about that, in the end I imagine it would start to suffocate TalOS since it starves him of at least half his food supply. I might leave that to a vote here soon.
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>>5533476
That's ill news because it means there's a stark incompatibility with Blackstone Tech and Organic Null or at least with TalOS appetite.

Hopefully it can be mitigated with more delving into Technomantic energy sources. The Stars always shine.
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>>5533600
Thats the aim. TalOS will get more and more skillful at working his soul.
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>>5533652
I wonder if TalOS skills will all be self taught.
Or if he may ever learn from the first pioneers of an ancient older art.
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Gathering of Knowledge
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>>5532843
>>5532856
>>5533301
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>>5533084
>>5533110
>>5533228
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>>5533262
>>5533327

Matters of Psykers and Blanks
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>>5533656
Well, we did get a teacher last time.
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>>5533852
I mean, more in the sense of ever encountering 'crons, the ones who created the Pariah Gene and the ones closest to the true science behind the motive force and masters of blackstone. Not even necessarily encountering an actual cron, just gaining insight from a discovery of a fragment of their tech or something.
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The two of them traveled through the Forgespire with a squad of Steel Wardens and Thousand Sons at either of their sides. TalOS could feel the glances that Magnus made towards him, the attention of the Psyker causing TalOS’s soul to swell with the distinct taste of his brother’s essence.

TalOS wondered if his brother realized he was next to a predator? Or was it that Magnus was confident in his abilities to fight off TalOS. If it was the later then it was hubris of the greater degree, but if he trusted TalOS not to strike out against him then that was the honor of respect.

Respect that TalOS was not his foe and that the Pariah that stood as anathema to Magnus’s very existence will keep himself tame.

TalOS would not bring such a topic up, he determined. To do so might quickly bring about battle between the two of them. Animosity was not something that TalOS wanted to spark now of all times.

It was during these thoughts that Magnus finally spoke, “Brother you are thinking too long and hard. Has something of great import plagued your mind?”

TalOS gave himself a few seconds of thought to bring the response, “While the item at hand is of some import, it is something that I myself should find.”

“I see, sorry to interupt your thoughts with my curiosity. If you can give me that forgiveness would you mind me going into other items that I have noticed.” The Psyker said as he shined a smile towards his brother.

“I will endeavor to answer your questions to the points that I am allowed or ability proves inadequate.” TalOS answered his brother while shining his own smile back at him.

TalOS could taste the confidence within his brother building as he began his words, “I have met those that are like you before, something is a little off. When I look upon you, something catches my eye.”

“There are a great many things, so I ask that you do not avoid the point. What is it that you noticed?”

“The colors on your clothing, for being a Fabricator General of this world, seem more dulled than the others.” Magnus said as his eye flickered for a moment, “As if they were somewhat darkened.”

Those words were a surprise, but not an unwelcome one.
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“The dullness you see is caused by the flow of light being manipulated. I require that energy for myself, consuming it for my personal wellbeing.” TalOS said as he outstretched a hand, “Such are the flows of the Motive Force.”

“I might be ignorant, but you do not have an active refractor field turned on. If you did have one active then I would see the glimmer of the warp wrapping your body.” Magnus said as his eyes studied the exposed skin of TalOS, “What I see are ever subtle changes under the skin. A constantly shifting of mass similar to what my son’s experienced.”

“To answer that question I would need to break one of the oaths that I have been bound to.” TalOS told his brother with a hint of respect laced within it, “But you are off on that matter. What happens underneath my skin is not directly related to the flow of radiation upon my skin.”

“If it is not machine and it is not sorcery of the Warp, what is it you found?” That was the moment Magnus’s eyes had a glint in them.

TalOS gave a small laugh as they finally arrived at their destination, “There are secrets in the Universe I am still learning. The Cult Mechanicus has been aware of it since our creation, but only now do I know the truth of the matter.”

“Then it would be the… Motive Force?” The Psyker guessed after a moment’s thought to himself, “It actually exists?”

“Mankind had been blinded to its existence thanks to the presence of the Warp. As I am no longer of the Warp, I feel the flow of reality upon my very soul.” TalOS said as they breached the front door and made their way towards a table.

The two of them made it to the table and sat upon it. TalOS was allowed to relax his muscles which had been both active and constantly under the strain of rearrangement by the nanomachines which flowed through his blood.

TalOS’s body, in the end, was no longer that of a ‘True Primarch’. A Primarch is a creation of both science and sorcery that allows them to go far and beyond reality. TalOS was now bound to reality, and as such lost many minor benefits of his existence. One of those was the stability of his own body, which resulted in much more human pains.

Now that they were settled Magnus looked upon his brother with a sense of skepticism. While he clearly valued TalOS’s words, the way the Tech Priest described his thoughts likely brought some concern. Eventually he spoke, “Would you be able to show me?”
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TalOS nodded to the question, “I only ask that you tame your soul for the coming minute. The influence of the Warp creeps upon the Motive Force and causes minor rearrangements of flow when compared to stars.”

There was a sense of offense within the eyes of Magnus but the Primarch did as he was told. As the sense of Magnus’s soul dulled the one who practiced with the Motive Force felt the flows normalize. It was enough for him to commit what it was he practiced so much.

He reached over and took a piece of wire, setting it between the two of them. Magnus’s eyes focused on the wire and then turned towards TalOS. TalOS gave a nod knowing that his brother was expecting something a little larger than before.

What TalOS needed to do first was feel out the flow, the forces which hold the universe together. These were the gravity and magnetism, the flow of electrons and the density of molecules. Once the arrangement of these were determined, along with thousands of other factors, TalOS’s hands began to move.

The look upon the face of Magnus turned to a stern study as he noticed something was up. What he was thinking behind that single eye. Maybe he was comparing what TalOS was doing to his sorcery or maybe he was seeing it as its own endeavor. It was when the wire began to move like a snack did the stern eye become that of surprise.

The wire slithered its way across the table at first slowly, then it began to grow speed as TalOS was able to adjust himself to the presence of his brother. He made it stand on one end, then forced the wire to quickly flip in a fashion that was reminiscent of an athlete.

TalOS ended the movement of the wire by transforming it into a series of knots. Each and everyone of them were perfectly evened out from one another. As he finished moving it Magnus began to laugh at the event that had just happened before him. It was a hearty, down to earth laugh that could only come from a person as giant as he was.

“How have I been so blind to something like this? That while I look into the Great Ocean every day to learn its secrets that the Galaxy itself has secrets it holds from us.” Magnus announced as he picked up the wire, “My brother, how did you learn of this?”

“I studied what the Mechanicum gave us along with divine inspiration. The trial to this point was only achieved from the information I gathered.” TalOS said as he began telling Magus a redacted story of his journey.
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The tale that TalOS told Magnus was of the trials and tribulations that he had experienced. TalOS spoke of miracles which the Priest now knew was the Machine God acting upon the Motive Force. This was followed with tales of TalOS’s searching for answers and knowledge that were sparked from the divine knowledge given to him.

He then told of his research into the Motive Force, his theories upon the Omnissiah being somewhere beyond within the Motive Force. That what he is and what he just did were both created from the collective knowledge of the Mechanicum being made.

“Thus, as a result of study, I am uncovering what is potential in mankind.” TalOS finally said with a firm assertion of authority.

Magnus turned his ire towards the wire once again with a focus upon it, “So you seek to increase your knowledge of our universe?”

“Comprehension is to achieve divinity. There is no greater aim.” TalOS told his brother with a good amount of zeal laced within his voice.

“It is an interesting path to go down. It is reasonable that where one of the Primarchs searches the Great Ocean for its knowledge, that the other looks upon reality for its knowledge.” Magnus spoke as he became slightly more serious, “Our Father knows of the Warp and is the most proficient in its workings. I can see though that he must attain balance within his court, for if he does not the humors will become chaotic and chaos will take the Imperium.”

“If that is how you see it.” TalOS answered knowing that Magnus was saying those words in context of the warp.

“My brother, I can understand why you do not wish to entertain a Psyker like myself for what the Plastoids did to you.” Magnus spoke as he nodded to the regenerated arm TalOS possessed, “But we are both seekers of knowledge. Around the Universe is man’s knowledge, both for yourself and my own dealings. If you entertain the thought, I believe we can go further.”

“You ask such a question this soon?” TalOS asked his brother as he nodded to the kitchen, “My mother has yet to arrive with our food.”

“That is because I cannot see another chance to ask this.” Magnus answered with the sureness uncharacteristic of someone who was currently blind to the future.

>We can trade knowledge and tomes
>No, we prefer not to.
>Other
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>>5533600
Well, I wouldn't say that, Blackstone tech and organic null execute the same function of siphoning warp from surrounding for which purpose they are created. I would ever say that they will be more powerful combined at siphoning warp. So they're extremely compatible in this line of job that they're created for: Null will always hunger for warp and will go whenever it is and Blackstone will make his Aura more suffocating.

It's more like TalOS is going against this purpose. Hmm, does that mean that when in battle with Psykers TalOS would need to starve himself to better devour his enemies?
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Sorry if update took a little while. I think starting to paint my 170 rats fucked my head today.
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533980
The issue is TalOS really. Normal nulls don't seem to need to feed to live, or at least there's no mention of them starving either in lore or in this game.

TalOS actually needing increased energy to survive is problematic but thematically fitting if he is become like a mini-c'tan shard or at least resembles their hunger.

Whatever the matter I hope we always, always, always reject feeding off the warp or souls when possible.

it would be a damn nail to our great dream of seeing mankind free of the influence of the Warp, if we end up ourselves becoming dependent on feeding it. The Machine God had created great energies in this world. And we are not so greedy as to delight in the taste of souls unlike some certain ancient ones. Siphoning star matter is fine.
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>>5533981
Ah, you play Fantasy too? Or AoS?
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>>5533978
Man, just imagine if we were to ever learn some of the wacky Kron stuff like manipulating our fingers in such a way as to release a blast of energy without a gun?

I like that we're finally squaring up to Magnus and showing that anything the Warp can do, reality can do too.
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>>5533990
Getting into AoS, mainly because of the Skaven. Bretonnia sadly looks like it will not come back unless something happens involving them and Settra.
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>>5533979
>Other
>Confront Magnus on his connections to creatures of the Warp
We won't reveal Chaos or the Four, but our religion believes in demons, and our science recognizes hostile entities that can assault the psyche's of man and machine when the Gellar Field fails, and we both know it was no accident or battle wound that he lost his eye. Magnus, a believer in the Imperial Truth, wouldn't call them demons or spirits but "bits of sentient energy" or something. But it doesn't remove the fact that they are *sentient* and thus, capable of malevolence.

Even the Quest for Knowledge says that there must be limits, some dangerous knowledge should never be brooked. The Material realm has its own Abominable Intelligences who must never be heeded, can Magnus be trusted to avoid the influence of the abominables of the Ocean?

For us to share knowledge, there must be trust first.

Magnus will likely say "no" if asked about making limitations like in OTL and claim that these pesky little warp things are no match for a steeled mind of a Primarch or a space marine and that he was mistaken and TalOS is just another worry wort who holds back the unlimited progress of the mind, but that gives us a better justification to say "no". If he chooses poorly, we can't let our own knowledge be dragged into it.

If he says "yes", that. . .will be surprising.
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>>5534003
Trying to get out on the right foot there? /s
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>>5534005
Actually, no, TalOS is only aware if his interactions with the Chaos Gods not the Tutularies. So unless you are gonna break the agreement with the Emperor here then you better change this.
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533979
>Other
>Confront Magnus on his connections to creatures of the Warp


Still, TalOS know as does the Emperor that Magnus made the deal with warp entity, it couldn't be the wards because there was no soul surgery on Magnus part and wards without surgery wouldn't help. So we can talk about that with Magnus saying the hypothesis of how Magnus achieved his sons stability and facts that made TalOS to come to such conclusion in monologuing fashion.

So, MC's condition on sharing knowledge would be no more deals with warp entities. And careful observation of the soul condition of Magnus and his legion.

>>5534007

But realistically speaking, the moment TalOS see tutularies he will scream bloody murder and start blasting Tsons and Magnus out of existence. So either Magnus will lie and will be confronted by Particep Semper later or he will not agree to this deal.

Also if MC goal is humanity without warp, then there's no need to feed our future enemies with how MC's abilities work. Because Magnus will never agree to TalOS's vision.
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>>5534007
I never mentioned the Tutelaries specifically, but TalOS himself knew right away he had made his deal with a False God from the loss of an eye in one of your post.

I don't think we should get into a deal with him without doing him the same courtesy of honest and addressing the pressing concern.
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>>5534007
Ah, I should have specified by "Creatures of the Warp" I very much am using that as a byword for:
"You gave your damn eye to that BIRD didn't you?"

Since we won't name Tzeentch directly per our agreement with Malcador
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
I want to confront him about chaos as well as our father said it’s his decision
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>>5533979
>>5534003
>Support
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5533979
>Confront Magnus about his connection & beliefs on the Mollusk
If he's his OG canon self where he is gullible and trusts demons or whatever he wants to call them then sharing our knowledge is a terrible idea. Tal0S knows he was "dealing with false gods" by the loss of his sight. He needs to show he can change and recognize the danger.
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>>5534153
If you wanted to confront him before sharing the knowledge, why are you voting just to share the knowledge right away?
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>>5533981
CATALOG EVERYTHING, FUCK. I DIDNT AND WHEN I WANTED TO PUT THE ARMS INTO MY KABALITES NOTHING FIT
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>>5533979
>No, we will not trade.
I understand this option unlocks magnus route but there are way better heroines out there like malcador the bro-san or guilliman-kun who we got tons of affection points with after gifting him the titan
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>>5533979
>Other
>Confront Magnus about the deal he made
He gave into the temptation of the changer and he acknowledged and rejected our counter offer to fix his sons. This can't be ignored, we need to talk.
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>>5533979

>We can trade knowledge and tomes.
Realistically speaking, I don't think it's possible to save the Cyclops legion, at most we'll be able to negate their use by the forces of chaos.
But trying to save them is our obligation.
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>>5533979
>We can trade knowledge and tomes
To learn is to know, the Warp is not Reality but it still is an inverse to realspace.
Also, I wonder how filling the Ork's Zeitgeist would be since it's explicitly not the Warp and not Real.
>inb4 the Orks calling Talos "Ol'Breaky beakie"
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>>5534080
It may be The moluusk! Why do you discriminate!?!?!? KEK
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Trade knowledge and tomes
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>>5534153
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>>5534433

Confrontation
>>5534003
>>5534068
>>5534180
>>5534275
>>5534332

No
>>5534289
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>>5534287
Happened to my Stormfiends and their Babycarrier.
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>>5534080
I want to make it clear that confronting Magnus about it while it being so recent demonstrates that TalOS has knowledge he should not have. While declining to give information is reasonable, showing your hand is an easy way to make an enemy.
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Is there anything special you fellows want to do with Magnus? My brain is melting so I will take suggestions.
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>>5534805
I don't care Magnus, I want to talk with Ahriman.
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>>5534744
But doesn't >>5532799
>Magnus, lost far more than just a simple eye. By losing that eye Magnus was blind to some aspects of his future and present.
>Such is the cost with dealing with false gods.
Indicate that TalOS at least is guessing that Magnus did take that deal with Tzeentch after all?

He is "dealing with false gods"
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Oh wait, I see you mean that TalOS is aware, but that revealing such means that he is access to information that Magnus could turn around say "there is no way you should know this unless you also are dealing with higher powers".

In which case we would have a hard time answering honestly.
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>>5534826
Yes. YES. To outright accuse him is to cause exactly that.
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>>5534805
>Is there anything special you fellows want to do with Magnus
Bit hard to answer. I want to embrace Magnus, but not before we've as a group decided which brother Primarch to save. I'm still partial to Alpharius somewhat, but we've yet to see Perturabo.

I suppose, I'm just curious to see him and TalOS have a reasonable intellectual discourse. Anything that TalOS can recognize wouldn't lead to an argument but real understanding. Perhaps thoughts on the astropath and the navigator, the essence of the soul, and such things.

I'm curious what Magnus believes happens to the soul after we die. Does he not hear the screaming? What's his rationale for it.
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TalOS leaned back and thought about the situation for a moment. This was because the greatest thing that afflicted the mind of TalOS was that he really did not trust to give this information to Magnus.

After all, he was bound to the great Deceiver. The one who once attempted to get his claws around the throat of TalOS. He really wanted to yell at his brother and try to make him understand the sheer stupidity that he has just engaged in. That the creature he dealt with was far more dangerous than he ever could realize.

But that was not a wise decision. That was something that if TalOS did would break the foundations of their relationship. If he was to break it now then it would deny his brother any chance at salvation.

Such was a measure that TalOS knew was being asked. Magnus though was unaware of the pressing matter to such a powerful question. The fool he is and his lack of foresight.

TalOS answered his brother first and foremost with a chuckle, “My brother, what you ask is reasonable. If I am to give you such knowledge though it must be handled wisely lest its denizens strike out against us.”

The Psyker gave a small laugh of his own as he heard those words, “Then you ask me to keep an eye out for those I already know will do me harm?”

“It is a precaution that I always had. You can already guess that I was once a psyker like yourself before I became a Pariah.” TalOS indulged the information as a sense of caution, “I became this because I saw them as a foe. If we dig too deeply, then all we will find is what they themselves have made for us.”

“Those are good words to live by. They will not catch me in such a compromising position as you feared.” Magnus announced with a smile of arrogance.

TalOS tried in at least this instance. To put pressure upon his brother and a mind bug which will worm its way through his consciousness. TalOS knew it will be because he himself said it, and that his presence is not something that Magnus can ignore so easily.

It will take time, but he might get something.

“Very well brother, let us trade some information.” TalOS answered his brother as he sent for a dataslate to be delivered to his location through the Noosphere network.
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Just as times before TalOS watched as a plate of food was placed between him and his brother. His mother, E11IE, had the signs of concern upon her person but did not follow through with anything drastic that would have afflicted their conversation. The Priest simply gave her bow before leaving for the workshop to once again continue their research.

The two of them began to eat the meal that was before them. Magnus happily indulging in the flesh unlike many of their other brothers. Such a thing was enough for TalOS to ask, “Does it suit your tastes?”

The Red Primarch swallowed his food and gave a small grin, “Yes it does. The memories of who this was are jumbled and cooked with oil that makes whatever was before his death hard to know. As a meal it is for the taste for a Primarch and no other.”

“Do you have an issue that it was once man?” TalOS questioned feeling a genuine sense of curiosity.

“You have processed it according to the standard of your people. The delivery is odd, I will say, but the ultimate reasoning for nutrients is there. You, as the Mechanicum, need what makes man.” Magnus answered as he held a piece of it out, “So you decided to get it from man.”

With that the two of them continued their meal, eating the meat with a small silence between the two of them. The food went down their throats without any more error. The estimate was correct as TalOS felt himself full right when the last of the Corpse Starch was taken.

“When the chance comes to you, I ask that you visit me in Prospero.” Magus called out as they finished the meal, “Our food is not as engineered as what you’ve given me, I know the history and work that every meal has will give you a good piece of mind.”

“If I am not mistaken, that planet is filled with psykers.” TalOS pointed out as he focused upon his brother, “I am anathema to them, their fear of me both rational and irrational. Would I even be able to walk upon the soil without causing a riot?”

“Right now it's a maybe, later on I do think the chance will come.” Magnus spoke as he took in a drink of the B33R that TalOS had furnished between them.
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In the end there was no a terrible amount to talk about between the two of them. Maybe in the future when information is being shared there might be some spark. TalOS knew that Magnus was interested in the Motive Force, but it will not change his ire from the warp.

The one thing TalOS wanted to do was send a communication to someone. Far beyond his own brother, there was one person within his brother’s force that TalOS had some respect for. As for how he could talk to the person directly without too many issues TalOS had to wait till the near end of their trip.

The time TalOS chose was when Magnus wished to explore the archives upon Lucius for a good amount of time. Likely the psyker was seeking out some form of knowledge that TalOS looked over. Such a time meant that TalOS did not need to be with Magnus, thus he could converse with Ahriman instead.

TalOS had sent the Astartes a message, to which he was given a reply of affirmation. The two of them stood behind a data-rack, filling their conversation with a series of mechanical hums. TalOS was not worried if Magnus would hear this conversation, but he felt privacy was needed.

“Ahriman, it is good to see you are still alive.” TalOS said as he looked upon the chest of the Psyker to see a new amulet coupled with the Blackstone he gave him so long ago.

“It is thanks to the Blackstone that I was alive for so long.” Answered the Psyker as he gripped the blackstone, “I owe you that much for my life, even if you did not succeed in saving my brother.”

TalOS did not say anything yet, his mind thinking about the issues that were before him.

“I am sorry that I failed to save your brother.” TalOS said with his heart feeling an ache within it, “We will do our best to avenge him in the future.”

“We will.” Ahriman answered as he gripped the new tasliman.

>Teach a small bit of Technomancy
>Ask that he keeps an eye on Magnus
>Personally give a favor, as penance.

For some reason my head has not been working these last few days, so sorry I could not draw this out like other Primarchs. We will see Magnus again when the War Council Convenes soon.
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>Personally give a favor, as penance.
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.
If magnus is a lost cause I hope he won't drag Ahriman down with him.
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.

"The loss that you have suffered can never be mended or lessened with mere words, so i want you to know that you can call upon me for anything and i shall do all that is in my power to make sure it happens. For while i may have failed you once, i will not let myself fail you again."
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.
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>>5534858
>Personal favour
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>>5534919
>+Support+
With regards to Ahriman is it possible to develop countermeasures to warp based curses?

I mean when the Rubric happens would it be possible for us to use specialised blackstone talismans to to safeguard the non psyker Thousand sons?

With a bit of technomancy and specialised negative blackstone rune arrays , create essentially a reality diving suit for these astartes.
These could be modified suits of terminator armor.

They wouldnt be able to walk outside their suits normally but if they are released in a warp deprived environment, like a decompression chamber?
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>Ask that he keeps an eye on Magnus
>"I pray that you fare better on your this quest than the one I undertook on your request. The failure weighs on me still."
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.
I'd like to see if we can eat the Curse off their souls, or track down the Daemon that cursed them and eat it.
Also
>Ask that he keeps an eye on Magnus
Unironically Magnus seems like our clearest opposite, I'd like to see about doing something to help him.
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>>5534858
>Personally give a favor, as penance.
Ahriman I have failed you so I shall give you a favor as penance, ask of me anything and I won’t you once again
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>>5534858
> teach him a small bit of Technomancy.
Maybe some bibles on Bolter Maintenance. This action may lead to the TS not using demons to clean their bolters. Or this might teach them about The Emperors warp based Technomancy. "Machine Heal Thineself"
- the Emperor of Man, Mount Olympus
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>>5534858
>Teach a small bit of Technomancy
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>>5534858
Obvious 'Page 10' warning
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>>5535072
>>I mean when the Rubric happens would it be possible for us to use specialised blackstone talismans to to safeguard the non psyker Thousand sons?
I doubt it.

The flesh curse afflicted ALL the Thousand Sons, even the non-psyker ones.

It will return, with vengeance, then we will see what Magnus will do.

But it's very specifically the non-psyker ones that got it worst from the rubricae
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>Personally give a favor, as penance.
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TalOS took a moment and thought to himself. His thoughts were in the clouds as he tried to find a way to repay this man for his error. It was a hard thought since TalOS did not have anything that was directly equal to this man’s brother.

After all, it would be similar to TalOS’s loss of Particep Semper or UZ1. This was a person who could truly be called a brother and a friend who helped them through thick and thin. What was TalOS to give for that?

The answer became simple, “Ahriman, if there is ever a time that you need my assistance, that you can do so without fear of recourse or repayment.”

Ahriman looked up with concern laced in his face, “You… a favor of that grandeur is not befitting of someone of my rank. I may be helping Magnus these days, but I am still an Astartes.”

TalOS took in a breath and released the breath, “I made an agreement, a vow, to heal your brother. I failed in that. It is because of my failure that he is dead. Thus, so I can have penance for the actions which led to that outcome that I grant you this boon.”

It was then that TalOS noticed the chance in Ahriman’s eyes. That he understood the blight that TalOS spoke of and the issues that came of it. It was an odd look of a man somehow understanding a Primarch like TalOS on a deeper level.

He understood that TalOS grieved for him and his brother.

“It… I thank you for this boon in the memory of my brother. Know that I will only call upon you in the moment that my brother would have.” Ahriman said as he placed a hand upon his chest in the symbol of Unification, “I guarantee you this, TalOS.”

“Good.” TalOS rose to his full height with the will of the Motive Force within his veins, “I can only pray that your brother’s soul for it is now the Warp’s.”

TalOS noticed a small discomfort with Ahriman for him to speak the next few words, “It's all I can do as well now.”

The Priest easily caught the meaning of the words said there, thus showing to the Primarch an issue that he knew was in the Imperial Truth. You can align with it during the times when things are good, but it does not answer what is a truth of the Universe that the Mechanicum knows.

The state of one’s own soul. That it does not need to face the oblivion of the Warp. Prayer, if to the Machine God, might grant one of the safety the Machine God gives.
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TalOS and Magnus were together once again and traveled about the Forgespire for some time. Magnus was looking closely at the text that were before him as TalOS himself held a book that was of minor interest to him that Magnus gave.

It was a book about using constellations to draw power. TalOS focused upon it which caused his brother to speak up, “Brother, I must ask, what is it that you seek in that text?”

“Something that is not completely related to the Warp. Mankind, through the intervention of the Machine God, has unintentionally been using the Motive Force for likely its entire existence. I can document it back to the beginnings of the Cult, but that means it must have some starting place. These might hold that sort of secret.” TalOS propositioned to Magnus as he turned a page.

“So you seek my workings for that, while I do the same to yours.” Magnus said as he gestured with the Dataslate, “To think your people got so far without Psykers. It is human ingenuity!”

“We will be thankful for such a compliment.” TalOS said as he flipped another page about a creature known as the Dragon. TalOS focused upon the text for a moment with an ire of study, “A Dragon? Magnus, I understand that this book is about the stars but what is the ultimate source of its information.”

“Ultimately it is a study upon the culture of the Alderi.” Magnus pointed out as the two of them continued their travel, “When man was strong and powerful they were a peer to the Alderi Empire who existed at the time. During such an era our species had trade lines between one another, with explorers studying eachother’s cultures. The book you have is from one of those incursions.”

TalOS could not help but feel a moment of bother as he looked upon the book, “You gave me the words of a Xenophile?”

“But it was made by an Ancient, is it possible for the two to cancel out?” Magnus asked with a small laugh before he grew a sterner face, “I gave you that book because I remember reading something similar to how you see the Universe. It might have something within it that I… missed.”

TalOS felt those words were a little more interesting in how his brother spoke them. There was an underlying anger within them. That he was ignorant to something and that was something which could not be accepted.

But it was not envy against TalOS but anger against himself for not knowing a greater truth of the Universe. Such was why TalOS noticed a lot of Magnus’s books held the literature of Mechanicum Dogma within it.
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As they continued their steps TalOS decided the best thing to do was a quick visual scan of the book. Such reasoning was because he was walking into the more crowded parts of the Mechanicum and knew that the tome within his hands held some value. After all, it was made by an ancient, even if TalOS does not agree with the Xenophile.

The pages within his hands quickly flipped and were given milliseconds to imprint their details to TalOS. So many symbols and characters that held no meaning to the Machine Spirit which acted through the eyes of TalOS. It was the duty of mankind to give such things meaning, thus the Machine Spirit was doing its job as it should.

With his eyes finished scanning he handed the book over to Magnus, who lifted and placed it into a specially made bag that sat on his back. The large red giant looked a little confused as he spoke, “Are you… interested in that subject?”

TalOS gave a small nod to those words, “Something about that book interested me. That is all.”

“Would it be that Dragon you talked about? The Void Dragon?” Magnus placed forward with a perfect recollection of the book for he had already read it.

“I feel the book is missing some details. It points out that the Void Dragon must have been some form of ancient deity to the Eldar, a creature which sparked terror in them. It was also the eater of souls, the author thought it was the analog for the fate of a sinful Alderi.” TalOS said as he decided to give his own opinion, “But that is to place a human belief upon Xenos. To think that they are as adverse to sin as mankind is. Something is missing there.”

“We will only find out more by searching for that knowledge.” Magnus pointed out as he gave a smile, “For now the Void Dragon and Asuryan will be the two that we know of, but there is evidence of others. The Alderi seemed to have a pantheon of hundreds of gods, each specific to a part of the Universe with an evil counterpart.”

>Keep this blasphemy out of TalOS’s hands
>Only information about this being, this Void Dragon.
>All information, no matter what the source.
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>Only information about this being, this Void Dragon.
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
Even a blatant falsehood can still have value in teaching the truth
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
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>All information, no matter what the source.

There will be science again.
Records must be kept. Secrets unearthed.
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
To know the xenos is to know how to best kill it
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
Praise the machine god
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>>5536436
>>All information, no matter what the source.
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>>5536436
>Only information about this being, this Void Dragon.

All information is the path of the heretek, only human sources are allowed
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
The Mechanicum seeks comprehension above all, and we already acknowledged a Xenos hand when we were first learning Technomancy
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>>5536436
>>All information, no matter what the source

Also, I see your hand in this Tzeentch, you birdy mollusc fuck
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
Once we have all the information, we can better judge what is heresy
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>>5536436

QM I'm not getting the angle of the cyclops in this situation.
Is he irritated that he hasn't discovered the secrets of the material world? Is he angry because he can't use these powers? Or is he angry because we tried to help his legion?
Seriously, it's pretty petulant of him to come into the home of a religious man and display heresies, it's like he's here to pick a fight. To prove he's superior to us, which frankly is pretty pathetic if he knows what a Pariah is.

>All information, no matter what the source.
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>>5536873
>Is he irritated that he hasn't discovered the secrets of the material world? Is he angry because he can't use these powers?
I'm pretty sure it's these two.
He likes gathering knowledge and power, so having one type of it be something that he can't grasp, and something that he missed, annoys him.
But he doesn't seem to be trying to pick a fight, he's angry at himself. Also the whole thing about the heretical knowledge, is because he doesn't care about the sources.
So it's just two learning autists interacting
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>>5536436
>Only information about this being, this Void Dragon.
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
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>>5536436
Change from
>>5536523 to
>Only information about this being, this Void Dragon.
On second thought I sort of prefer this option to focus on the void dragon specifically. That said the all information isnt bad
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>>5536436
>All information, no matter what the source.
data is data. as long as it isn't corrupted by chaos.
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>All information, no matter what the source.
Considering we cut our soul off from the warp we don't got to worry about any chaos gods screwing with our minds to corrupt us/invent a super evil chaos device like what tends to usually happen when someone tries to invent or glean information of something new. (I hope)
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Void Dragon Only
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>>5536608
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>>5537051

All Information
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TalOS’s eyes focused upon Magnus as he weighed his options of what was about to be said. One would ask if it was a hard decision to which TalOS would need to cite dogma to try and consider it.

The one thing about the Mechanicum’s Dogma however was that it held some flexibility. It was only as staunch as the judges who look over your shoulder believe it to be.

“When it is information like this, granted to us by the ancients, I want you to give it to me.” TalOS answered Magnus for the question that had not been spoken.

There was a moment of surprise that crossed the psyker’s face until it became stern, “I will send over some more literature for you to look at then. If you are willing, we can share some notes.”

“If the chance presents itself I think a few can be shared. Within reason.” TalOS knew for sure he was not going to share with Magnus any of his knowledge gained from the Plastoids.

“Within reason.” Cheered the Primarch as he gave a hearty laugh of relaxation, “To think another brother is as starved for knowledge as I am.”

“Such starvation is simply because we lack the full knowledge of the Universe. Once the Motive Force is divined the need for knowledge will be less and less.” TalOS reminded Magnus with a hint within his voice.

“Its the same for me. There are only so many ways a civilization can think. Even those of the Xenos, whose minds work unlike man, know concepts such as love and care.” Magnus pleased towards TalOS with a smirk, “I wonder which of us will find the end of our studies, if there are any.”

“Such knowledge is known by only the Machine God who comprehends the machine which is the Universe.” TalOS declared full heartily towards Magnus, “That is what I know to be truth.”

To those words Magnus gave a small chuckle, “If that's what you believe, brother.”
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Time went by and with it Magnus as well. The time he was upon Lucius allowed TalOS to learn just a little more about the Motive Force and how it is to be handled.

As for what had happened during the event TalOS felt he did the best he could to placate his brother. It will be in time when he sees what Magnus brings to him and the information the two of them share. Will the brothers share everything they find from this time forward with each other, TalOS did not think so.

Half of the Primarch have been found, that TalOS knew. It seemed that Alpharius will keep himself secret until the very end if the Fabricator General was to guess. For him that was likely a great boon to his purpose of being a spy for Malcador the Sigillite.

For now the Federation will continue to grow in support and power. TalOS recorded that in the last year the Federation Forces who were expanding smashed two Empires that were within its reach. There was such a large amount of military force within the Federation that it would take roughly two to three Legions to place the Imperium on power parity with them.

TalOS was not a fool though and had been monitoring the rest of the expansion. His eyes were upon Ultramar as Guilliman was quickly expanding his Empire for the benefit of his homeland. He held a rich and powerful culture which easily dominated those who were against him, and the verdicts of the Imperial Truth made it so any religious matters were not an issue that would not be eradicated.

Will it come to that for Guilliman? Maybe without Guilliman’s express consent but it will happen. Only the faith of the Machine God, a Faith that is not tied to the Warp, shall be allowed within the Imperium of Mankind.

He felt, somehow, that the greatest number of Primarchs being discovered is coming close to an end. There will be years between the next few. Some will be great, but as TalOS tasted the winds of the Universe he felt that some were going to be his enemy.

As for who that can be, TalOS does not know. Not yet.
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Alright, thats gonna be it for this thread. Will likely be back Saturday or Sunday for the continuation.

Next thread I plan to go fast, with guarantees of meeting Sanguinius and Perty (Lion El' Johnson is like Ferrus so probably won't bother). If we reach Mortarion or Lorgar those will be bonus, but it would be fun to start that can of worms.

Sorry for Magnus fans if I could not write much of the big red. I've realized he might be as difficult to write as the Emperor in terms of plot. Perty though, well, I've got a plan with him.
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>>5537443
To clarify, I meant Lion El' Johnson is like Ferrus in which he will go straight to war. Its Lion El' Johnson for crying out loud what do you expect?
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>>5537444
I'm guessing the 1st and 2nd Rangdan Xenocides will mostly happen in the background since they happened vaguely prior to the discovery of the Lion. Events of concerning development occurring in the far east

it's the 3rd one that was the big one anyway.
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>>5537657
1st has no plip on anyone's radar, 2nd...
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>>5537444
He could go missing in the forest on the random planet or go mute out of nowhere and his sons wouldn't know what to do XD



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