That's... genius.

>>7245238
It's really now, I didn't take any metamagic reducers and such

>>7245254
Really noT
damn my cold, distracted fingers

By the by
Blizzard is from Frostburn, page 89

Not as good as summoning three million BEEEEEEES

>>7245208

FUCKING SWEET, you could turn a shitty desert into a beautiful winter wonderland.

It's a horrible amount of snow on a small radius. If I were the druid, I'd walk around, or possibly fly, while I cast the spell, in order to spread it on a much wider area.

>>7245343
And kill all those cold blooded life forms in it, destroying an entire eco-system in minutes.

But what kind of Druid would do that?

For scale
This ragtag no bonus spells or full feat selection druid has just covered all but the 7 tallest buildings in New York
(Well, if all of New York fit within a 4,000ft diameter circle)

This fucker is buried

SNOWDRUID! FUCK ALL YOUR SHIT!

>>7245377
A druid that thought deserts were gay. They have zero requirement to preserve nature as-is.

More than the snow, think of the water.

If my memory is correct, the volume of a cylinder is pi times radius squared times height, so:

V=pi x 2000ft^2 x 900ft

V = 11,304,000,000ft^3 (That's 11.304 BILLION cubic feet of snow).

Google tells me you can expect at least 144 cubic inches of water per Cubic foot of snow.

144 x 11,304,000,000 = 1,627,776,000,000in^3

231 cubic inches of water in a gallon means:

Pretty much no less than 7,046,649,351 gallons of water will be released as it melts(Assuming I haven't fucked up my math completely)

>>7245596

I believe we have found our new Peasant Railgun.

Imagine flooding the BBEG's lair with this. Go Biblical on his ass.

>What would your response be as PCs
i put on some warm clothes, and prepare a backpack with some essential supplies, including snowshoes and an ice axe

>>7245642
>>7245596
Wouldn't all the snow just disappear once the spell's duration ended? Or does it not have a duration?

The question is does the snow melts or simply vanishes since it's magical in nature.

>>7245596
Partially fucked up. snow is less 'compacted' then rain/water. what I was always told growing up, living in North East US was 1" of rainfall = 1' of snow, so that would be
12,239,971.38 gallons
which would be 18.5 olympic sized swimming pools

still a lot, but not nearly as much as your figure

The spell mentions nothing about the snow disappearing at the end. Only that the blizzard lasts for 1 round / level (duration), and "one foot of new snow falls each round"

>>7245413
Building on this for the sense of scale.

That building clocks in at 861ft tall

if you lay it on it's side, it would be ~43/200ths the diameter of the blizzard.

>>7245722

It doesn't go *poof*, but it'll melt normally. Sorta like walls of ice will, given enough time.

Aside from being a lot of water (see above) it's probably enough to put many animals into hibernation or at least lethargy, even big beasties like giant lizards or basilisks.

>>7246506

New way to stop a Tarrasque?

>>7245208
And that's why Druids don't wage war, they win war

Now tell me why that Druid wouldn't tack on Widen Spell to the mix to double the spell's radius. It's only a +1 modifier.

And keep in mind that at level 20 you could have several rods of Repeat Spell to make that metamagic free.

Gentlemen, let us see just HOW BIG we can make this winter wonderland.

>>7246751

hey, you have another 6 feats to work with on top of it all

>>7246751 ,

meet >>7245316 pic

>>7246777
Hmmm... can we stack Extend Spell with Sudden Extend Spell, and Widen Spell with Sudden Widen Spell?

It's too bad we can't use Persistant Spell with this.

>>7246805
We can, as a matter of fact.

>>7246840
Er, use the Sudden versions stacked with the normal ones.

Does someone want to figure out how many copies of this spell we could have with bonus spells and the like? I've got something fun to share with this that I'm copying down now.

Also... Custom made Staff. Of Blizzard.

>>7246855

Staff of Blizzard Owner's Manual

-Stick in ground
-Turn on
-RUN FOOL RUN!

Sculpt Spell
Prerequisite: Any metamagic feat.
You can modify an area spell by changing the area's shape to either a cylinder (10-foot radius, 30 feet high), a 40-foot cone, four 10-foot cubes, a ball (20-foot radius spread), or a 120-foot line. The sculpted spell works normally in all respects except for its shape. For example, a lightning bolt whose area is changed into a ball deals the same amount oof damage, but affects a 20-foot radius spread.
A sculpted spell uses a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.

Gentlemen, you are now imagining a pixie druid who skims across the landscape leaving lines of falling snow in her wake, creating patterns that can only be appreciated from high above. A lot of confused peasants are left behind her, too.

>>7246904

I know Tohou isn't the favorite thing here, but pic very related.

>>7246855
>>Custom made Staff. Of Blizzard.

75000 gold pieces for a level 20 caster level version. Or you can make your own for 37500 gold pieces and 3000 xp. You get a whole 50 charges before it's dry.

OP, my PC's reaction would be to first find the druid somehow in all that snow, and then ask the druid whether or not the PC is on the naughty list.

>>7245208
I think there's a fairly high level druid hanging around in mah town. This snowfall is tripping balls.

>>Gentlemen, you are now imagining a pixie druid who skims across the landscape leaving lines of falling snow in her wake, creating patterns that can only be appreciated from high above. A lot of confused peasants are left behind her, too.

Pic related.

Would it be possible to make the spell a use-activated permanent spell? (You activate it as a standard action and then it snows until you turn it off.)

>>7247046
Picture also related.

>>7247086
Honestly I think Lily White would be more related. Just a winter version.

>>7247086

1, 2, nine.

Until a pissed off fire wizard shoots her out of the fucking sky.

I HATE SNOW.

>>7247192
BAKA BAKA~

The idea of good weather effects is alive I see.

... why has no one mentioned energy substitution - fire?

>>7247207
Poor guy.

>>7247207
Protection from Fire.
Ring of Fire Resistance.
Endure Elements.

Makes sense for the character in question to have that up.

>>7247243
Now someone has.

AND I LIKE IT.

Don't know if it would work that way though.

>>7246904
Imagine having a snowball fight with this.

>>7247265
The spell deals cold damage.

That cold damage is now FIRE.

DWARF! Forge me some skis that I may fight on the mountain side!

>>7247266
Have since the beginning of the thread. Also, archive?

>>7247288
Just think about it.
THROWING SNOWBALLS THE SIZE OF THE MOON AT EACHOTHER
FUCK UP HALF THE PLANET
LAUGH YOUR ASS OFF AFTERWARDS
"HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME WHEN WE CAUSED AN ICE AGE WITH A SNOWBALL FIGHT?"
-"OH YEAH MAN GOOD TIMES SHOW ME SOME SKIN!"
*Brofist*

I'd venture to say that much snow melting will wreck the BBEG's shit. Cause water has a tendancy to get everywhere and ruing things (paintings, carpets, ink, spellbooks, material componants). He won't be to happy.

As the Doctor says, "Water is powerful. Water patient"

>>7247286
Here you go, sire! The finest pair of skis made out of cat leather!

Oh, and I put two giant penises on them.

>>7247288
I wouldn't archive this till we have a truly silly blizzard lord instead of generic druid 4334.

So, how much snow can you make /tg/?

>>7247243
>>7247284
900 FT OF FIRE IN A 2000 FT RADIUS

Well there is a druid prestige class from Libra Mortis the gives a druid crappy turn undead...then we could grab persistant spell and divine metamagic.

But that's being cheap.

>>7247317

>Water patient

water BAD! Water ALWAYS WIN! Doctor HATE Water! RRRRRRRGGGHHHHHH!

>>7247383
But here's the thing; the ONLY aspect Energy Sub changes is the damage. All the other effects of the spell remain.

There is still a massive pile of snow.

It is still cold.

And yet, it BURNS.

>>7247362

I suddenly have the urge to draw a snowmage with a top hat and a stylish moustache in paint. brb.

>>7247420
The Druid in question would be quite the comedian then.

Because that would be one hell of an ICE BURN

>>7247394
Idn't persistent spell personal range only?

>>7247420
Idea: instead of snow, flakes of frozen air. so cold it, yes, burns.

>>7247431
Obviously.

>>7247454
>>7247437
>>7247420

Hell. Yes.

Speaking of hell, this gives me a great idea for a version of hell. Constantly falling snow, everywhere. It's so cold in that layer of hell. And every time a flake touches your skin, it burns horribly hot.

ATTENTION: There is a rogue druid on the loose. He has hit the northeastern United States and most of Europe. If you see an individual wearing natural materials waving around a sprig of holly directly before a large snowfall, please contact your local authorities.

>>7247442

...Maybe, havn't seen it in a while...don't think so though...

For reference purposes:

Blizzard
Transmutation [Cold]
Level: Druid 5, Winter 5
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 round
Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: 100 ft.-radius/level spread
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
Spell Resistance: No
Immediately upon completion of this
spell, the temperature drops to below
freezing and a powerful blizzard
erupts in the area. Visibility is reduced
to zero, making Spot, Search, and
Listen checks and all ranged attacks
impossible. Unprotected fl ames are
automatically extinguished and protected
fl ames have a 75% chance of
being doused. Creatures unprotected
from the cold must make a Fortitude
save or take 1d6 points of nonlethal
cold damage.
One foot of new snow falls each
round. Movement within the area
is impeded, depending on the
creature’s size and depth of snow
(for movement in a snow field, see
page 12).

>>7247442
There's a metamagic feat that can increase that to touch. I'm not sure what shenanigans we can get going with that, besides having some sort of snow-friendly familiar to deliver it, though. Preferably one with a burrow speed.

>>7247498
It is. Blizzard won't qualify.

There might be some CharOp tricks to make other spells qualify for Persist, but I don't think they can manage to make Blizzard qualify.

>>7247437

I was thinking of a rain of ashes personaly. Meaning the druid could be a walking pompei.

>>7247493
But that means he's hanging out in the northern Atlantic, right?

>>7247492
Note that Blizzard's effect is nonlethal.

You don't even have to tweak the rules for it to be an endless experience of pain.

>>7247543
Yes. He probably has a private jet. With DelaySpell, he should be able to get above the clouds in time.

>>7247591
but you cannot have a snowball fight with an endless experience of pain, or build snowme...

Can we build a golem?

If you're going for outright volume, you'd probably be better off switching Repeat for Widen. That way you're doubling the radius instead of the height.

And thus we discover what killed the dinosaur druids

>>7245208
If you change the cold damage to fire+acid with metamagic, we would get an equal amount of lava.

>>7247644
There has to be some sort of spell in Frostburn that lets you shape vast quantities of snow.

Animate Snow
Druid 6
up to a 20ft cube of snow
1 round / level

Treat as an animated object

Has the Blind and Trample special attacks

Can assume any basic form you wish

deals +1d6 cold damage (cold subtype)
takes 1d6 damage each round outside of freezing temperatures

Snow Drift
Druid 1
10 cubic ft + 1 cubic ft / level of snow can be shaped as you wish

Now I'm totally seeing a blizzarddruid dressed as Santa Claus on a bringing white christmas -rampage everywhere and making snowman golems. Now he only needs reindeer as animal companions or summons or whatever druids had again.

>>7247861
Goddamn, if I'd seen this stuff a week ago, I could have put together a bitchin christmas adventure.

>>7247955
They get both Animal Companions and summons, but I wouldn't go that way.

He also needs nissemen, (whatever they are in English) which I guess would be gnomes.

>>7248007
elfs. Out of curiosity, were are you from?

>>7247659
You can also do BOTH.

>>7248032
Elves are what they're called, but traditionally they look more like D&D gnomes than D&D elves.

>>7248032
My family is Danish.

But they're not really elves, they're little guys with red hats and stuff.

More Frostburn shenanigans:

For 140000 GP, you may purchase a Major Iceheart, which at sunset every day casts the Fimbulwinter spell (which is also an 8th level spell for druids, so).

The effects change depending on season, but even in summer it makes things cold and gives light snow. The description of a Major Iceheart explicitly states that the region its owner stays in WILL be perpetually snowy no matter what.

THE BLIZZARD WILL NEVER MELT.

WE CAN REST AND REFRESH SPELLS.

WE CAN BUILD A GIGANTIC TOWER OF SNOW STRETCHING INTO SPACE.

>>7248096
If the PCs defeat you, the snow melts
They fall
the world drowns
bad end

>>7248068
/tg/ reads elf as fantasy tolkien type of thing, the general public though...

http://www.elf-magic.com/

>>7248068
Yes, I know. They are called "tomtenissar" here in Sweden. and elfs in English.

Do I detect fellow Anon of New Jersey?

>>7248096

ALL ABOARD THE GROWING SNOW TOWER

WE WILL RIDE THIS BITCH TO THE STARS

So what should we name our crazy druid?

>>7248179
Santa Klaus.

>>7248179

Santa Clause
Xanta Clause
Xan Tak' Louse

>>7248209

Xan Tak' Louse the evercold

>>7248118
Either:
-The world drowns in water
or
-The world suffocates in snow

Wow, this druid is a dick.

>>7247861
>Animate Snow
This just in: Calvin is a druid.

>>7248261
only one thing can save us.

Fire. Lots and lots of fire.

>>7248265
This was not immediately obvious?

>>7248265
Relay? I thought he was a reality warper.

>>7248261

If th world was against the death of thousands, it obviously wouldn't give Xan his powers

>>7248334

Multi-Classing!

>>7248280
Fire mostly brings about the first of the two outcomes faster.

>>7248506
if you have enough of it, it would vaporize directly.

Snows Natural enemies

Beholders
Disintegrate at will

>>7248558
And then the world is cooked alive in steam.

>>7248676
Leading to the third way the world ends:
-The world is cooked alive by the douchebag who decides to solve it with fire

To be fair, this is probably the most merciful of the three ways.

>>7248743
Because having your flesh steamed off your bones is better than freezing to death?

>>7249827
It beats the hell out of suffocation, which is mostly what would happen with the other two.

What if the snow became just a big mountain, and not this weird-ass cylinder?

YOU COULD RECREATE SKIFREEE GOD DAMN
THAT DAMN SNOW MONSTER IS NOW YOUR FINAL BOSS

>>7249894
Actually with Shape Spell it could become 4 small cylinders, placed in some weird pattern.

>>7249899
Yeah or the shape of a sideways cone, reaching into the heavens.

>>7249894
you lose now and forever

That is how the campaign will end

> this thread

however wouldn't disentigrate and demention spells work against the ice? and if not couldn't you just.....water world?

>>7249956
Sure, destroy the snow and the ice. Bit by bit with your destructive spells and your fire spells.

We'll just make more. Far more than your limited spells can cope with.

LET IT SNOW, LET IT SNOW, LET IT SNOW

SO MUCH SNOW MOTHERFUCKERS

AND THEN EVEN MORE

>>7249997
Cause, baby
it's cold outside.

>Druid
So I presume he'll be walking around like this to play with stragglers

>>7250268

THAT DEER.

HOLY FUCK THAT DEER.

THAT. DEER.

As far as spells go:

Assuming 20 Starting Wisdom (point buy with a +2 Wis race, I'm sure there's one somewhere).

+6 Enhancement Wisdom
+5 Inherent (tome or successive wishes)
+5 Statistic Point increase

I can't think of anything offhand that improves wisdom outiside of one of these categories, though I'm sure they exist somewhere.

Still, that's 36 Wisdom at level 20 which, combingin bonus spells with normal spells gives us:

6/9/8/8/8/8/6/6/6/6

Investing in Pearls of Power increases your options for additional spells... too bad rings of Wizardry only work for arcane spellcasters.

>>7250268
no, he will turn into a giant ass mammoth.

>>7250722
I came

>>7250722
Technically, you could wish for more types of always-on bonuses. So add a +5 luck bonus, a +5 insight bonus, a +5 sacred/profane bonus, a +5 natural armor bonus (don't ask me how a natural armor bonus can increase wisdom)...

Hm.

Honestly, this seems like a good idea if you want to construct a doom fortress. A big, snowy doom fortress.

>>7250827
>>7250722
Oh, and in addition to Pearls of Power, you could have a Memento Magica which costs less but only works for one spell (MiC).

>>7250862
You just made my day with that item.

>>7250862
I'm sorry, I take that back. It works only for spontaneous casters.

>>7250871
Gah. Still handy, though, for spells you know you'll cast regularly.

D&D 3.5: Roleplaying.

>>7250964
I know, right?!

>>7245208
>What would your response be as PCs
20th Level Wizard with Sudden Extend.

- Cast extended Time Stop (hope to roll a '4' on the d4 to determine time; even if I don't, it's a guaranteed four-round Time Stop.)
- (Optional) Shoot as many of my most powerful spells as I can at the druid, wait for there to be five or fewer rounds of Time Stop left.
- Cast as many Delayed Blast Fireballs as possible, each with one less turn of delay (four turns left, delay five round... three, delay four, etc...).
- Watch as your druid is pelted with 80d6 fire damage just as the Time Stop ends.

WHAT SAY YOU NOW, SNOW DRUID?!

>>7251150
>implying resist energy (fire) or energy immunity to the same doesn't exist

Your heart is in the right place by using a Wizard. Your mind is not by using a wizard to blast.

SPAM SAVE-OR-DIES. SPAM SAVE-OR-SUCKS. DO NOT TOUCH DAMAGE SPELLS.

>>7251150
"Ring of Resist Fire. Protection from Fire. Several Druid spells whose name I can't remember that keep me from dying. Also, that was my familiar, I'm wildshaped into the same shape (pushing it, I know)."

"MORE SNOW."

>>7251197
Actually, by level 17 a damage-based Wizard/Incantrix (properly minmaxed, of course) can solo epic challenges with ease. Put enough Metamagic on an Orb of Fire, and Persist enough buffs, and there's nothing that can take you out shy of a Disjunction. And there's even ways to negate the possibility of that happening.

That said, normally pre-epic you're correct. Once you hit epic levels enemy saves go through the roof.

I'm saddened that /tg/ still hasn't figured out the maximum snow that can be generated per druid, per day.

Play 4e

adviceimageofyourchoice.jpg

Never deal with this bullshit again

It depends.

>>7251833
You do realize that this sort of thing is a thought exercise. It's never meant to see play.

While it's true that number of available options means that every now and again you wind up with something funky happening like this(which requires tweaking the hell out of an oddball spell from a very focused splatbook), I'll take the wealth of diversification 3.x offers over 4e most any day.

'sup, niggahs. Residual Magic feat here. Y'all best be trippin' if you forgot about me.

Blizzard's a 5th level spell, see? Well how 'bout you Twin that shit? What, you think a Repeated Extended gets you more Blizzy goodness? Ya forgettin' one thing. Next round, you cast a Repeated Extended Blizzard.

And Twin it for FUCKING FREE.

Next round? Cast an Extended Blizzard AND REPEAT IT FOR FREE.

Chain your Blizzards an shit and you be trippin all over a pile of the white stuff fuck-huger than that piddly little snowcone you've got going there. You're fucking welcome, homeys.

>>7252052
I want to hate your for that grammar and attitude, but damn that is a good thing to point out.

>>7252052
So what's the most efficient way to go about it?

>>7252219
Alright, let's think, we've got 5 level 5 spells, and 4 each of everything else. Let's not count bonus spells, as per the OP's post...
9 - Twinned Blizzard (40 rounds equivelant)
9 - Extended Repeated Blizzard TWINNED (160)
9 - Twinned Blizzard REPEATED (80)
9 - Extended Repeated Blizzard TWINNED (160)
Out of 9th
6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
6 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
8 - Repeated Blizzard EXTENDED (80)
Out of 6th/8th
7 - Extended Blizzard REPEATED (80)
5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
7 - Extended Blizzard (40)
Out of 7th
5 - Blizzard EXTENDED (40)
5 - Blizzard (20)

Add that up, and you've got your feet.

Lesson from OP? If you see a level 20 druid casting a spell? You have 7 minutes to disrupt his spellcasting.

>>7252318
1,400 feet even.
Anyone got a more efficient method they can think of?

This thread.

This entire thread.

>>7252341
Adding Rods into the equation.

Possibly Staves as well, but that's not really a repeatable use item.

>>7252318
Hang on, gonna see if No twinning is more effective...

9 Ex Rep 80
6 Ex REP 80
8 Rep EX 80
6 Ex REP 80
8 Rep EX 80
6 Ex REP 80
8 Rep EX 80
6 Ex REP 80
8 Rep EX 80
Out of 6th/8th
5 REP 40
9 Ex Rep 80
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX 40
9 Ex Rep 80
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX 40
9 Ex Rep 80
Out of 9th
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX 40
7 Ex 40
Out of 7th
5th EX 40
Out of 5th
Adding... 1440, actually more efficient, WOO!

>>7252440
Add Rods of Twinning/Chaining/Widening/Shaping, as appropriate.

Okay.

That's 26,600,000,000 tonnes of water.

>>7252473
GODDAMN MY BRAIN OW.

Jesus, I've done two of those things already, can't we get some aspie or someone to do it, my discalcilia is starting to make my head swim.

That is it. I'm going to run my next campaign with lots of snow, cold and other fun ice based stuff.

>>7252329
This is a druid we're talking about. You see a bird. Couple hundred feet up. Flying around. Just chillin'. Flippin' around like birds are occasionally wont to do. 7 minutes later HARGLRBRASDRLHJGL HOLY FUCK, SNOW.

Because one of those unused feats our little Jack Frost has going for him is Natural Spell.

Can we amp this up? Rings of Elemental (Water) Command. Five per hand. What do?

>>7252496
>>7252473
GRRRRR.... let's assume we've got 1 Greater Twin Rod and 1 Repeat Rod. Chaining won't work, Widen just increases size, not height.

9 Ex Rep R-Tw 160
6 Ex TW 80
8 Rep EX R-Tw 160
6 Ex TW 80
8 Rep EX R-Tw 160 Rod Out
6 Ex TW 80
8 Rep EX 80
6 Ex REP 80
Out of 6th/8th
5 EX R-Rep 80
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX R-Rep 80
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX R-Rep 80 Rod Out
7 Ex REP 80
5 EX 40
9 Rep Ex 80
7 Ex REP 80
Out of 7th
5 EX 40
Out of 5th
9 Rep Ex 80
9 Rep Ex 80
Out of 9th, adding... 1760.

>>7252583

Forgot to specify: the rings should be forged to summon Elder Elementals. For optimum snow.

Snow Casting
Con 13 prereq
Add a handful of snow to a cold spell, cast it at +1 caster level (move action to gather snow)

Frozen Magic
Con 13 prereq, Snow Casting
Spells in cold areas (40 degrees F and below) are cast at +1 caster level
Spells in extremely cold areas (-20 degrees F and below) are cast at +2 caster level

Storm Magic
Spells cast while you are affected by a storm (natural or magical) are cast at +1 caster level

>>7252627
While we're at it, +1 CL Ioun Stone, +1 CL Ring, and isn't there a Reserve Feat that gives +1 CL cold spells?

Assuming CL 25 is possible here, that'd take >>7252602's 1760 up to 2,200. But do we have enough feats for all this?

Don't scrolls have zero weight? Can we get a Bag of Holding IV filled with Level 9 Scrolls of Blizzard?

>>7252602
OP here

Congratulations

You've buried this building ( 1,730 ft at the tip of those antennae spear things)

>>7252653
That s INFINITE BLIZZARD and therefore cheating. Saying "How much Blizzard could I make if I had Blizzard infinity" isn't an interesting topic of discussion.

>>7252647
A human druid will have ~8 feats I think

I love you, /tg/.

>>7252658
HAHAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT CHICAGO.
>>7252647
What do we get to bury with this?

>>7252667
Is that before or after flaws?

>>7252667
Repeat Spell, Extend Spell, Residual Magic, Natural Spell, Frozen Magic, Storm Casting, Snow Casting, and The Cold Reserve Feat (can't remember name, +1 CL) Assuming that the first Blizzard, regardless of local conditions, kicks on both Frozen, Storm, Snow Casting, and you have a +1 CL Ioun and +1 Ring... FUCK.

Karma beads.

>>7252665

This anon humbly disagrees. A Bag of Holding IV can only hold so many pounds of material (1500lbs), but there's likewise a limit of cubit footage (250cu ft).

Any of you grognards know how many cubic feet a scroll takes up?

>>7252676

FUCK YOU CHICAGO IS THE GREATEST

However, it is snowing here. Maybe we are toying with forces we don't understand...

...No matter. MORE BLIZZARD.

>>7252703
OK, use a karma bead for +4 CL, you've got +7 CL on the first spell, as well as another +4 on all subsequent ones...2724 feet of snow.

>>7252676
Any man-made structure in the world... except the tallest one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world%27s_tallest_structures

>>7252741
...that is dangerously close to half a mile of snow.

>>7252745
see
>>7252741
OWNAGE.

>>7252705

'Bout half a square foot. 500 scrolls of Lvl9 Blizzard.

I've seen a lot about rods in this thread, but can you actually use rods while shapeshifted? Isn't that a bit retarded?

>>7252763
Assuming by Level 9 Blizzard you mean a Repeated Extended Level 20 one, that'd net you 80 feet per scroll, so 4,000 feet. Bigger than casting yourself, but it'd take many times longer and be fucking expensive as hell.

So, entire world covered in thousands of feet of snow. Civilization continues entirely confined within huge tunnels of ice. Eventually children grow up having never seen the sky and knowledge of the surface dwindles. Little contact is had between cities as it's impossible to know exactly where in the snow they are.

We've made Gurren Lagan with snow.

>>7252741

Congrats /tg/

2,684 ft is this bad boy

>>7252787

Is time and money a question in building the snow monolith? 4000ft puts us easily past a mile.

>>7252793
DON'T SHIVER FOR YOURSELF, SHIVER FOR ME WHO SHIVERS FOR YOU.

YOURS IS THE SHOVEL THAT WILL SCOOP THE FROST.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SNOW ABOUT ME?

>>7252818

>>7252810

Druids
Changing the face of the world in 10 minutes or less

>>7252810

Yeah, today. Now let's say our Druid goes back to bed for 9 hours... how much of that do you reckon you can shovel before he's back?

>>7252786
It's not that hard to imagine a bird holding a bunch of sticks (rods). I don't think there's anything against it.

>>7252793
This is my new post-apocalyptic setting

>>7252835

Shovel? Where we're going, we don't need shovels...

*summons Elder Fire Elemental*

>>7252859
See:
>>7248676

>>7252874

Use an elder water elemental to direct all of the steam produced into a Sphere of Annihilation.

QUICK!
Everyone to Mt Everest

It's 29,029 ft tall, well be safe for about two weeks

>>7252818

SNOW SNOW FIGHT THE POWA

what if we throw leadership in and grab some cohorts?

>>7252567
this man is win
>>7252811
a mile is 5280 ft

>>7252944

Shit. How many snowdruids can we get?

Someone archive this shit

>>7252948
>a mile is 5280 ft

Yeah, but before the 4000ft from scrolls, we're at 2724ft. 6724ft is more than a mile of snow.

>>7252970
throwing it out there for reference, must've misread yer post

>>7252954
The iceheart mentioned earlier in the thread actually has some fluff attached to it. To create one, you must be a member of the cult of an evil snow-god that wants to do...well, EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS THREAD

>>7252983

Okay, we need to come to a consensus: Are we using the 4000ft worth of Blizzard scrolls?

>>7252954
On that note, is there some way we can work circle magic into this?

>>7252944
Only 1 sadly, and I'm not calculating how much THEY can throw up, fuck it, I'm done for the night. Suffice to say if they're basically your little brother/sister, without the benefit of your rods, they can probably squeeze out a good 800-1000 feet themselves.

>>7252988
Fuck yeah
Snow for the Snow God

>>7252996
No, this is bullshit. How many man-hours of experienced people would you need to create that, anyway? Do you have that many spellcasters in your country?

>>7252996
I vote no, it seems like cheating to just keep pulling magic items out (especially consumables, because you can accomplish anything in D&D just by burning a shitton of money, it really doesn't add anything to mention it).

Can we planeshift and project Blizzard INTO the material plane to theoretically FILL AN ENTIRE PLANE WITH SNOW?

>>7253003
besides which, if we're accounting for time, the spell is Verbal and Somatic components only.

Why spend a few days making a scroll when you can just say "fuck it, I'm doing it again tomorrow. SNOW FOR THE SNOW GOD!"

>>7253002
One of the few times where the regrettable 3.5 habit of shoving setting-specific fluff onto every new item and prestige class helps!

>>7253017

No scrolls it is then. The Snow stands at 2724ft.

>>7253027
Personally, I prefer it to just generic mechanics, it gives some idea of the intent so that if the rule is brokedy-shit, you can at least tailor it to what it meant to do.

>>7253019
>FILL AN ENTIRE PLANE WITH SNOW

>>7253000
yeah, but what if that cohort has a cohort?

at level 20, youd have a level 18 one, theyd have a level 16 one, theyd have a level 14 one, theyd have a level 12 one, and theyd have a level 10 one... I dont think beyond that would make a diffrence for the spell because its level 5, unless you want to figure out a way to get them to use magic items to get more castings per round

god damn it fa/tg/uys. have you weaponized snow?.

>>7253099
Cohort's can't take leadership, it's explicitly stated somewhere.

>>7252818
>>WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SNOW ABOUT ME?

Possibly the best thing in the entire thread.

>>7245208>>7253105

NO U

>>7253101
Not so much "weaponized" as "made a seemingly neverending vortex of, which can bury the Earth's tallest skyscraper, literally, that can also be made of fire, acid, or electricity" >>7247243

>>7253101
Snow is the new WMD, get with the times.

>>7253129
>>7253130
well then.

SNOW FOR THE SNOW GOD, FROST FOR JACK.

>>7253129

...Shocking...

>>7253173
Or burning, depending on how you roll.

Shit, that's 45 feet of snow, this is perfect for my railroading ways, next time they want to go somewhere, a crazy druid will fill the pass with 45+ feet of snow, hahaha

>>7253195
>45

You're thinking a bit small-scale.

>>7253195
You didn't read a thing in this thread.

If the snow is very powdery, it will spill over the outer limits of the spell until it reaches its angle of repose and create a mountain

If the snow is very compact and solid... well, imagine a 2000+ ft section of snow wall breaking off and falling unto a town

>Blizzard is a level 5 spell with a 100ft/level radius that lasts 1 round / level.
1 foot of snow falls each round

Isn't that 1 foot over 100ft?

So wouldn't each foot of ground have like 1/100 feet of snow?

>this thread

>>7253067
While I can certainly see that working, there's also a good chance you (like I) base your games (that, admittedly, I'm getting tired of) around the assumption that everyone will be optimizing their character on some level. It just feels like such a stretch to fit all this shit from all over the place into a coherent character without sweeping every bit of fluff about your abilities under the table.

>>7253289
How many spells do you know that become progressively worse in relation to itself as it grows more powerful?

/tg/ - physics, mathamatics, imagination and lots of numbercrunching.

Based on the final calculation of per day snow generation without items, here: >>7252741, I did a little calculation.

Earth's moon is 238,857 miles from the Earth, on average. 2724 feet of snow added to our tower per day means that in 1268 years we can step right off the tower onto the moon (the Fimbulwinter spell ensuring it doesn't melt during construction). Barring certain racial shenanigans such as Killoren, Warforged, or Elan, we can't be expected to live that long, although the insane undying druid constantly adding to his tower, inching toward the moon, has a certain appeal to it.

Gentlemen, we must increase the rate of snow production. We must reach the moon with our snow.

>>7253289
Oh, forgot about that. The radius of the new, huger pillar is actually more like 3,100 feet, rather than the OP
s 2,000. So the pillar is still actually wider than it is tall.

Question:

How wide is the area of these effects. 1600+ feet of snow is incredibly devastating, but if its a mound of snow a mile in diameter, its only a very localized catastrope.

>>7253334
What's the surface area of the moon?

Giant snowball to the face of the earth anyone?

>>7253334
Acolytes. Lots of them. Things like this are why they exist.

THE TOWER OF SNOW-BEL WILL RISE, DAMMIT

Archive.

>>7253334
>We must reach the moon with our snow.
Addendum: Within our lifetimes and/or attention spans.

>>7253334
The first option that came to mind was FUCK YEAH ICE CREAM MACHINE-FORGED DRUID

then the silliness: Gestalt Druid//Druid if that's even possible

Then the "gate in some solars" approach to epic spellcasting, but find a way to summon...I believe there's a CR 26 or something fey that casts as a high-level druid.

>>7253334

I'm going to have an NPC send the PCs on a quest to the North Pole for my after-Christmas D&D one-shot.

They're going to find this.

>>7253354
It's been archived for a while now. Look for the tag 'snow'.

Everyone really should go to sup/tg/ and vote this thread up, it's one of the best things to get archived in a long time.

>>7253334
We need immoratality, and a timeless abode to flee too after out daily allotment of spells is used, so we might rest in piece.

A Genesis should work nicely, as well as simply being a warforged. A Warforged has the added benefit of not needing to eat, sleep, or BREATHE in the vacuum of space. The Wisdom penalty doesn't hurt much, as we haven't included bonus spells in our calculations anyway.

Using a plane-shifting item and a timeless abode, we could simply built upwards ad infinium.

>>7253129

What the hell would 4000 ft of electricity even be? Solid Energy?

Also, someone archive this shit.

>>7253348
Per Wikipedia:
>>The Moon's diameter is 3,474 kilometres (2,159 mi),[4] a little more than a quarter of that of the Earth. Thus, the Moon's surface area is less than a tenth of the Earth (about a quarter of Earth's land area, approximately as large as Russia, Canada, and the United States combined), and its volume is about 2 percent that of Earth. The pull of gravity at its surface is about 17 percent of that at the Earth's surface.

Doable.

>>7253289
No, because that's not what the spell block says. It specifies 1 foot per round, it's assumed that's 1 foot per round uniformly covering the area because that's typically how area spells work in D&D.

So at 20th level it's a 4000-foot diameter expanding cylinder of snow.

>>7253386
Some people have argued that energy substitution can be used for sonic, too. Wrap your head around that one.

>>7253383
Actually, he could just sit on top of the growing tower, cutting handholds into the sides most of the day so that should he ever fall, he can climb back up even if it were to take years. Once the handholds are made each day, he sits and stares at the moon and stars intently, fascinated by the little details he can see just a bit more clearly. Night after night.

>>7253402

4000 ft of pure sound. Now that is fuckin metal.

[spoiler]It's not packing snow, you can never climb out.[/spoiler]

>>7253402
Ladies and Gentlemen, our druid is LOUDFORGED, BRINGING NOISE TO THE STARS

>>7253271
No, no I didn't

>>7253386

Acid - I don't know but it's terrifying
Cold - Snow
Electricity - A giant mass of electrically charged jelly-like snow
Fire - burning magma flakes / snow so cold it burns
Sonic - screaming snow

>>7253398
Except that we've fgured out how to do up to 6,200 feet in diameter.

Hold on, if we're going for endurance, we have to ditch the bead of karma, as it only lasts 10 minutes. That decreases us to -352 feet per instance of pillar-building, or 2372 feet.

The best part is that even as it reaches into space, MAGIC ensures that the snow keeps falling onto Snow-Bel tower.

>>7253433
Wrong, we only have to worry about it being in effect at the time of casting. You can cast all those spells within 10 minutes.

Alternatively, multiple beads. They aren't that expensive.

>>7253440
Add in some sort of epic snowy ironwood variant and the Earth just got itself a baseball bat

>>7253383
>a timeless abode to flee too after out daily allotment of spells is used, so we might rest in piece.

Your spelling is absolutely terrible, but /tg/ has solve this problem.

Gentlemen, by the Holy Mechanicus of Mars, I cant: unsequester the HIKKIKOMORI BORG CUBE blueprints from the archives.

We must build.

>>7253433
Well, yeah, I'm just saying at base 20. After adding in all sorts of factors you can raise it pretty high.

>>7253440
Does it actually fall after awhile? Or does it just keep accumulating in the spot where it spawned?

Either would work for our purposes, but it bears thought.

Fun thing about building a snow tower towards the moon: eventually the moon gravity becomes stronger than the earth for a few days a (lunar) month. So the moon passes by, rips away part of our ice tower, says LULZ, and goes away for another round.

>>7253496
Effectively sending snow missiles into the moon. With several druids partaking in this scheme, we could have an entire salvo every few months.

>>7253525
... are we terraforming the moon?

>>7253536
Not just that. We've been busy.

>>7253525
If we have several druids, we can either have a spiky Earth or start connecting these towers.

Oh it wouldn't start big, it would take quite a while to connect two towers which were a few miles apart, but eventually they would span the world, symbols of the Druidic oppression of the people.
Every town only a Druid's whim away from being crushed by prodigious amounts of snow as they break the snow bridges above them, and within a day, the bridge is back.

>>7253568
That's quite another way of looking at skynet...

> 1 foot of snow falls each round
If each round = 6 seconds....

Your snow on the bottom will become denser as it piles up, but even 1 foot of snow will quickly have some compaction on the bottom. Let's take this fact, assume a moderately dense snow (not powder, but not exactly slushy either), and say the snow has a mass 25% that of an equivalent volume of water.

The 2000 foot radius is about 600 m (this is easier in metric). One round = 6 seconds. You are dropping a snow mass of
(600 m)^2 * pi * 0.3 m * 1000 kg/m^3 * 0.25 / 6 s
= 1.41 * 10^7 kg/s.

Let's assume further that this snow is falling from an average height of 300 m (low clouds). The snow stops when it hits ground, transferring all its gravitational potential energy into sound and heat by then. We can get the total energy transferred from the snow into the atmosphere/ground as it falls:
Power = (m/t)gh
= 1.41*10^7 kg/s * 9.8 m/s^2 * 300 m
= 4.16*10^10 W

1 ton of TNT gives off 4.184 * 10^9 J. That means that it's like 9.9 tons of TNT are going off in this area EVERY SECOND. 660 seconds' worth of snow will fall (sometimes at more than 1 foot/second). That gives a total energy of 6560 kton of TNT.

The smallest nukes in the current US arsenal are about 0.3 kton. In 7 minutes, you're releasing as much energy into that area as TWO SMALL NUCLEAR BOMBS.

>>7253633
Did you factor in air resistance?

/tg/, someday your imagination will be the savior of this world.

>>7247492
Dante had this idea a few hundred years ago. It's a good one, though!

Unfortunately, druids do not have access to the incantrix class; but they DO have the ability to get a cohort who is an incantrix.
Incantrix can then ADD metamagic to the druid, by making a sufficiently high spellcraft check -- Should we assume now that the druid has a wizard 5/incantrix 10/bloodline 3 cohort?
Assuming maximum intelligence on the cohort is 36 (35 normally; lacks the final bonus stat increase of leveling. I recommend taking a bloodline which increases the intelligence of said wizard by 1 by 18th level if possible?)
Anyhow, assuming 36 int, that gives the incantrix the ability to apply metamagic to any spell cast by the druid a total of 3+intmod times per day. I believe that twinning is likely the optimal use of this ability at this point, but it may also be possible to increase the height in other ways. Twinning the largest 16 or so spells cast by the druid should significantly improve the maximum height generated by our druid.

>>7253664
Yes... the energy transferred is the same no matter what stops the snow. Any energy not sent into the ground upon landing will go into the air (and vice versa). So if the flakes hit the ground hard, they haven't transferred much energy into the air, but they are causing earthquakes like crazy.

If they all land gently, then the sky maybe catches fire (with massive sonic damage too). At which point the falling snow turns to rain, and we're back to earthquakes. Which will put out the poor bastards in the AOE... at least, until the atmosphere cools enough to permit snow, which in turn lights the sky up again....

The bottom line is that 1 foot/round is a *ridiculous* amount of snow. (For comparison, I live north of basically everyone who will read this thread, and the fastest falling snow I've ever seen is maybe 1.5 feet in an entire day. Houses, power poles, and even a bridge collapsed.)

>>7253773
>maybe 1.5 feet in an entire day. Houses, power poles, and even a bridge collapsed

Sir, I had 2 feet drop on my state last Saturday, and a table it piled on didn't even collapse.

"The most snow to fall in the U.S. in one day was on April 14-15, 1921 in Silver Lake, Colorado where 76 inches of snow fell.

The most snow to fall In 1 month in the U.S. is 390 inches in Tamarack, Calif. in January of 1911

The most snow to fall In one storm (N. America) was 189 inches in Mt. Shasta Ski Bowl, Calif. Feb. 13–19, 1959

The most snow to fall In one season (N. America) was 1,140 inches in Mount Baker, Wash. 1998–1999."

95 feet in one SEASON /tg/
Just saying

>>7253773
We've got supernatural quantities of snow being forced into a single area - which would in turn take energy to cause. That energy, as the druid clearly is not horribly adversely affected by the act of casting this spell, must come from somewhere. I propose that the energy of the snow falling, and stopping is used to power the generation of more snow, rather than imparting into heat and sound on the basis of MAGIC!

>>7253792
Sorry, the 4 key is next to the 1 key, and my fingers apparently suck. The most I have seen is 4.5 feet in one day. (With blowing wind, it got much higher next to structures. I have a picture of snow piles coming over the top of my house with just the chimney peeking out, with a little cave my dad dug from the front door to the road.)

>>7253878
That makes far more sense. Carry on.