>>10837525
Well the city barely has electricity so they don't have to enforce a curfew or use black out curtains (not that it really matters)

i'd say a 2

The bombing might actually add to the infrastructure of the city and might kill some of the warlords in the area.

Fuck yes, you are the best bomber ever.

Planes and Mercs thread soon, fellow fa/tg/uys!

>>10837557
>The bombing might actually add to the infrastructure of the city
Look we now how an ad-hock irrigation system!

>>10837525
Fuck, I can't tell if that's Barksdale or Minot...

>>10837638
Oh look, it's the new punk around town.

Let's teach him his place.

It's nice enough to finally have a chance to repay those Liberian asshats, but the planned mission is rather rigid what with the UN involvement.

We need to come up with a way to really put the icing on the cake. Just add an extra little FUCK YOU to those double-crossing sons of bitches.

>>10837638

>>10837672
Better bring at least 20 of you, then.

>>10837672
Fuck yeah F-15

We're coming to get you.

>>10837700
You're clearly not aware of red flag exercises.

Shootin' down F-22s all the time.

>>10837737
Heh, sac one F-15 for one F-22? Hell yeah! Best return on a 20+ year old frame you're ever going to see against a internal loaded F-22.

>>10837737
Right, when you've got massive numerical superiority.

>>10837737
>clearly not aware of red flag exercises
Link please

>>10837525

8, but that's because it's Liberia, not because of anything a few more bombs will do to it.

Fuck yes Planes and Mercs! I love these threads.

THEY NEED TO PAINT PENISES ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THEIR PLANES

THEY'RE THE PERFECT SHAPE FOR IT

AND IT FUCKS WITH THEIR ENEMIES

>>10837737
I just got to Mt Home, which squadron got the kill? 390th or the 389th?

And for the anon who asked, red flags are the air forces force on force exercises. Other squadrons, other aircraft, other airforces. Alaska hosts a fucktonlot of them.

Assuming they DO go for a nice bunker-buster bomb for that C&C building, someone really must spray "FUCK LIBERIA" on it.

don't you faggots have your own forum for this shit?

>>10837797
im wondering where people find out the stories from these military exercises.

>>10837807
Be in the military.

>>10837737

You trust anything coming out of the USAF?

They would claim with a straight face that MiG-23 Flogger is a 1-1 threat to the F-15 if they thought it would get them more funding.

>>10837807

People make them the fuck up.

"My country with our planes TOTALLY schooled the other countries with the other country planes. They got X kills for no losses of their own, except one guy who got damaged by a SAM because those totally biased referees told him he did, etc.".

>>10837830
>>10837807
Or live near a base and have military friends.
Or work as a civi in the military.

>>10837830
I am, and haven't heard about this yet. I'm AF even. No, I'm not in Services.

>>10837846

Procurement Officer: "Our fighter jets are terrible, and the Russians and Chinese are developing fighters that far surpass the F-22, let alone the F-15. We need more funding."

PR Officer: "Our fighter jets are the best in the world, because of good old American ingenuity and know-how! Our pilots receive superior training, our technology is decades ahead of anything our enemies can field, and America just rules the skies! USA! USA!"

>>10837872
Ok, here's what I know. Recent red flag (last 6 months). Alaska. A group (numbers unknown, at least 3) of F-15C models from Mountainhome AFB, ID went up against a pair of F-22s. F-22s were air to air load, internal AIM9-Xs and gun only. 15Cs were full air-air, mix load of 120C models, 9-Ms and gun.

I don't have the specifics as they haven't been released, but BOTH F-22s were confirmed kills. As I understand the circumstances, when the F-22s opened up to pop the 15s, they got pasted by a split off group of 15Cs from long range with a multi launch of 9-Ms and 120Cs. One kill for each missile. When they re ran the exercise, the 15s only got one with missiles, lost 4 jets, and popped the other 22 with internal guns.

This was an airforce combat exercise. Kill was designated by observers and judges. Most cases, a hard lock with a 9-M/9-X was considered a kill.

>>10837850

I just assume the only place you're going to find out the real performance of any of this shit is WW3.

European Armies spent so long smashing africans that they all thought they were invincible before WW1 (Seriously, there's a quote from a WW1 era french general talking about how he could conquer Europe with 300,000 men). None of them were really prepared for a war where the other guy can shoot back.

We're in the same situation now, almost nobody fights a competent enemy armed with modern hardware. "Oh an American EagleMomApplePieTitty Missile totally shot down every obsolete soviet artillery rocket being fired by a third world dictator".

Or "There obsolete soviet armor upgraded with some american computers couldn't stop our slightly less obsolete soviet armor upgraded with our copies of american computers from invading Georgia" fuck you, beating up on a former client state run by a clique of American republicans and their tame local does not mean anything other than you are not completely incompetent.

Sorry... I'm just deeply bitter and unhappy as a person.

>>10837892
Ammo troop: Planes are just a delivery platform for the munitions. Until the newest generation of stealth aircraft, a good lock with a AIM-9 was as good as a kill. Now, it still is, but the launch platform has to FIND the target. The new 9-X is... sick nasty. Hunt around on youtube, and you can find video of it launching and going after a target over 90degrees from direction of travel. Vectored thrust is a sexy sexy thing.

>>10837892

Congressional Lobbyist "As you can see congressman, 3 of the backup servos for the optional buttock massaging upgrade to the planned two man Wild Weasel version will be built in your district so you should vote to continue funding the F-Whatever Sexy Macho Nickname or it could mean thousands of jobs lost in the communities you represent."

>>10837945
So the exercise proved that a pair of F-22s are more or less equal to an entire squadron of F-15s?

>>10838008
Pilot: Can we get a recon version of the B-1?

They need to make a plane with a horrifyingly girly nickname. Don't they KNOW that doing so automatically increases its innate badassitude by a factor of ten?

>>10838029
Pretty much. Still damned impressive considering the fucking COST of the 22. Around 150mil each 22, vs 28mil per 15. It's going to be even more painful when the F-35 vs A-10 debate starts... look around, but the 35 is the slated replacement for the 10. And the 10 just got upgraded to carry 9s and 120s, and the F-35 isn't full stealth like the 22. A-10 12mil, F-35 191mil.

>>10838035
Ohgod... the B1? The fucking Bone? Fuck that fucking plane. Supersonic does NOT a badass make. That beast sucks. Literally. Sucks. 'Hey, lets put 4 giant fucking jet engines on the BOTTOM of the plane, and make them suck even harder than the 16.' Yeah, BRILLIANT! That jet FODs out more than any other fucking jet combat aircraft.

>>10838086
The A-10's replacement should be rugged, fast and carry a shitload of ordinance. The F-35 fails at most of these.

>>10838108
>Missed the joke

>>10838127

Blame the fucking chairforce for wanking all over their foreign-funded pet silver bullet project.

>>10838147
> I did... I did...

2 am and drunk?

>>10838127
No, it shouldn't be fast. It should have good loiter time.

Hence the Super Tucano being an acceptable replacement.

>>10837945

They did an exercise like this in India with F-15's doing very poorly against IAF Su-30 Flankers. Then it came out that in the simulation the Americans didn't have any of their airborne radar or usual command and control systems available to them, their missiles were limited to 32km range and they were fighting 3-1 odds.

This is not to knock the IAF, but that exercise was never meant to simulate real combat.

>>10838192

Indeed. Now, if we can get the Malaysians to listen to reason, all will be fairly okay with the world.

>>10838158
The USAF wants fighters. The F-35 is a fighter disguised as an attack plane.

Because the USAF brass thinks anything that isn't a fighter is GAYHOMOFAG

They forget that many of the greatest planes ever are attackers. Prime example: the A-117.

>>10838186

Say hello to my leetle friend.

>>10838086
Wait wait wait, so you're saying F-22's cost less than F-35's?!

>>10838248

Well, the USAF can go suck it's cocks.

>>10838192
I don't think I've heard of a single military wargame or exercise like that that didn't place completely retarded limitations on the OpFor pilots/equipment.

which wargame was it that had the OpFor take out half the US navy with mass missile attacks and suicide boat bombing before being restarted with a strict plan of action drawn out for the OpFor commander to follow? something like Wargames 2000

>>10838248

Indeed.

You have let down our country and our Red Army. You have the nerve not to manufacture IL-2s until now. Our Red Army now needs IL-2 aircraft like the air it breathes, like the bread it eats. Shenkman produces one IL-2 a day and Tretyakov builds one or two MiG-3s daily. It is a mockery of our country and the Red Army. I ask you not to try the government's patience, and demand that you manufacture more ILs. This is my final warning.

—Stalin to a Factory manager who was not producing enough Il-2s

Imagine getting that fucking telegram.

>>10838248
I heard the only reason the 117 was designated 'F' was because "no self respecting pilot would ever fly a plane with the B designation". Some bullshit like that.

>>10838272

What. The. Fuck.

>>10838290
I heard about that, but I also heard that those mass missile attacks were compeltely implausible. Like, cruise missiles supposedly being launched from motorboats or something.

>>10838328

Well, if it was a big enough Suicide motorboat...

>>10838290

Millenium Challenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Paul K. Van Riper...

That is a HELL of a name for a general. There are moments I think that sometimes there's a Major Major Major Major thing going on with the military, and generals get promoted just for how good their name sounds.

>>10838314
F-117 was desginated F because a bomber was illegal to base at most euro bases. So they had a single jet that was NOT combat capable with a custom launcher for a SINGLE AIM-120. Once a year or so, it'd go up, launch a missile, plane was 'technically' a fighter, therefore legal to base in germany and italy.

>>10838328
Someone call Macross, we have an unbeliever.

>>10838314
What a pile of shit.

How many pilots would proudly say "I fly a B-52 for a living"? And then there's the B-2 Spirit. That's like a fucking Secret Society of Pilots.

>>10838086
Ideally, you would want both. Loiter time for bumming around waiting for targets, speed for getting in and out danger quickly. Loiter time comes first though.

A good Maverick replacement with a similar range would be spiffy, but something more similar to the Hellfire would be more likely.

>>10838272

Now that the F-35's the only program to pad procurement budgets with, you're goddamn right it'll cost more than the F-22.

>>10838352

That man? That man has balls. Bicycles and semaphore, killed the US navy, goddamn.

>>10838390

And even more for it's foreign sponsors. I don't know why everyone isn't sick of the US's cost/secrecy shit by now.

Fighter pilots become movie stars

Bomber pilots make history.

Someone disbelievin' the TripleM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_missile

>>10838461

And F-15 Pilots get bumfucked by Tom Cruise in the closet.

>>10838172
>Recon version of B-1
>BONE-R
>Pilot's face: pic related

>>10838474

Tom Cruise is the only one getting assfucked in the closet comrade. Don't hate.

>>10838383
loiter time isn't that important if you have air supremacy and you have a tanker on refuel duty near by.

>>10838472
Seems to be a good missile, slapping a little extra range on it would be nice though.

>>10838461
Only faghats like Alto think Fighters are best.

Do you want to be a crossdressing homofag like Alto?

>>10838498
They're working on Brimstone 2 already.

If they can keep making the damn thing smaller, we'll be hitting MMM threshold in no time.

>>10838474
Where does this come from? Tom Cruise did F-14 Tomcats, not F-15s.

>>10838522
>faghat

You misspelled "MAN OF FUCKING DESTINY", there.

>>10838522
>>10838474

I don't think you fellows understood the tone and intent of my post.

>>10838439
We've got a lot of other stuff to be sick of at the moment.

Anyone have the current list as I fear I may be missing a few. The list I have tops out at XXVIII

>>10838492
IF. Excessive reliance on tanking is an exploitable weakness. Nice to have loiter time so you can spend more time on call and less time tanking.

>>10838536

In other news, someone needs to watch where he's shoving his stubby fingers on that keypad. Whoops.

>>10838536
He is diversifying.

>>10838540
Ranka is a better pilot than Alto.

Because Alto is a hollow empty shell of a man. In makeup.

>>10838492

It's going to be fun times if the US ever has to fight someone with a real air force/air defense system isn't it?

There's this implicit assumption of total air superiority... I don't know. Maybe it'll work.

>>10838536

I'm pretty sure it came from someone talking out of their ass. About asses. And fags. Maybe a fixation problem?

>>10838639

Fixated IN MY PANTS

>>10838603
Don't the Russians have super long range missiles meant to down AWACS? Just launch those towards tankers, cackle madly.

> So the exercise proved that a pair of F-22s are more or less equal to an entire squadron of F-15s?

only when they have RIBBON INSIGNIA

>>10838677
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vympel_R-37
There we go. Range up to 300 km or so.

>>10838651

>>10838744
Huh. Project was started in the 80s, dropped, and now they're trying to revive it again. Interesting. Wonder how it's coming along.

>>10838603
>>10838569
True but if your tankers are in danger then so are your loitering attackers and if they are in that much danger then sending in your attackers anyways is pretty damn risky.

You can't say that the attack aircraft would be immune to such attacks, and at least with the tanker they could remain out there.

It really isn't so much as an either or thing anyways so much as it is preferable to have both.

>>10838744

Ah the AARAM-ski,

I was thinking of something like the S-300 / 400 series.

Never underestimate what you can do with a surface to air missile launcher and boundless hatred.

>>10838696
Yellows here.

Ribbons are scrubs.

>>10838566
Can someone answer this?

>>10838806
You were thinking about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vympel_R-77 AA-12. The very long range missile is the AA-13. Of course, going up against S-300/400 systems would be very painful.

>>10838801
also another reason to keep a tanker nearby is to maintain your fighters to ensure you have air superiority.

>>10838862

Ah. Yes. That one was their counterpart to the AIM-54 Phoenix missile... which doesn't lend itself to a fake latinization quite as well.

Huh... amusingly the nation that's used the AIM-54 in combat the most is... Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

Kinda fucked up isn't it?

>>10838922

That'd be a fun character actually. A crazy Persian F-14 pilot who fled Iran in his Tomcat when he managed to get in trouble with the regime.

>>10838821
Galm was here.

Everyone is a loser.

The missile you are thinking about is the Novator K-100

160+ nm range

>>10841968
Hugs fired one during the invasion of Georgia.

Several minutes later an entire Saab 2000 crew collectively shat themselves inside-out.

>>10838566
This. Op needs at least one of these.

Oh and good morning /tg/

Hello /tg/

Glad to see I'm not the only one waiting for OP's next AAR

>>10838975
Kind of a fun idea...if you just had to have a Tomcat that is.

>>10842928

Be even more interesting if it was one of the ones supposedly modified to carry hawk missiles as AAMs.

though, with a tomcat player in my game, i gotta say- they're kinda limited. Great for air superiority, kinda shitty for anything else.

>>10843108
Not exactly worthless in close but certainly not the best aircraft to be flying if you have to get into the phone booth with someone. Stand off BVR is its stock in trade and thats rather limiting...even considering the Bombcat mod.

>>10837892

You work at Wright-Patterson, don't you.

>>10843132
And with the sheer cost and limited maneuverability of the Phoenix you're pretty much limited to the Sparrow for med. range air-to- air, and let's face it, the Sparrow sucks...

If you could convinve your GM to allow you to upgrade to AMRAAMs by somehow hiring the guys who worked on the Tomcat AMRAAM testing that might make it a more viable option.

>>10843180
Even that wouldn't be worth it in my mind. Its a classy airframe but it was a single purpose plane whos role, that of bomber interception/fleet defense, has been phased out/merged and given to someone else. If you have to dogfight i'd rather have something that can actually fight "in the phone booth". Something maneuverable and lightweight...like an F16, F20, or similar. Yeah you're not gonna be launching a whole lot of BVR but at least you're multi role.

>>10843306

Crusader, bitches. awwww yeah.

>>10843363
Crusader was cool but was still not the most maneuverable bird out there. Plus they were quite large. Still I like those quad 20s.

>>10843306
Pretty much agreed, it's a plane I'd pick purely for the 'cool' factor.

>>10843363
Speaking of Crusaders, too bad this bad boy never made it into production <-

>>10843559
To much weirdness going on with that upgrade. Pointy nose, fucked up intake, fins in weird places. Certainly pretty intimidating though...reminds me of a shark in a lot of ways. Would have been interesting to really see it square off against actual opponents just to see how it would have faired.

>>10843658
Well, supposedly it would have been able to track 6 targets and fire at 2 at the same time.

Also, this:
>During testing, the aircraft reached Mach 2.6 at 35,000 ft (10,670 m). Vought projected a top speed of Mach 2.9, though the windscreen and most aluminum airframes were not designed to withstand the heat of such speeds.

>Fly-offs against the Crusader III's main competitor, the future F-4 Phantom II, demonstrated that the Vought design had a definite advantage in maneuverability.

>>10843751
The F8U-3 program was canceled with five aircraft built. Three aircraft flew during the test program, and were transferred to NASA for atmospheric testing, as the Crusader III was capable of flying above 95% of the Earth's atmosphere.[1] NASA pilots flying at NAS Patuxent River routinely intercepted and defeated U.S. Navy Phantom IIs in mock dogfights, until complaints from the Navy put an end to the harassment.[1]

>NASA pilots flying at NAS Patuxent River routinely intercepted and defeated U.S. Navy Phantom IIs in mock dogfights, until complaints from the Navy put an end to the harassment.

>>10843805
Awesome troll-plane is awesome

>>10843816
Indeed. Ok so it sounds like it could have been quite good at its job. Doesn't keep it from being one of the most freakiest mods out there.

Heh...imagine if it had lasted long enough to be upgraded with modern equipment like the Phantom was.

>>10843877
Heheh, that would've been awesome.

IIRC the main reasons for choosing the Phantom were that it had a dedicated RIO, resulting in less workload for the pilot, and because of it's air-to-ground capability.

>>10844035
its*

derp