>>12661406

Among other things, we considered the question of whether or not male prostitutes/escort guys would be more common. My friend posed that with females commonly capable of standing for themselves, and being out in the world adventuring, with relative freedom and unbounded by social expectations/constraints, there would be a greater relevance/demand for "available males".

Take for example a common scene of a group of adventurers coming to a tavern or inn after some good old adventuring. Everyone's got some loot to spend and looking for a good time. After some drinking and celebrating and what have you, a common prospect of the typical guys (there are of course cases exempt from this, like paladins and such), would be to spend the night with a fine tavern wench or escort girl.

Essentially the motivation of ale and whores, and my friend said that given the freedom and opportunity granted to a female adventurer, this same motivation would hold true at least to some extent. She said that given this likelihood and opportunity, why wouldn't a female adventurer as well, partake in bedding someone for the night?

To fulfill this niche role, she said there would naturally be a greater prominence of "available" guys, simply male counterparts of tavern wenches/prostitutes, existing to satisfy female adventurers when such satisfaction was desired. Essentially no strings attached, single night gratification.

rolled 28 = 28

Both of you over thought it. There are giggalos in real life. The difference has always been in how they are managed.

>>12661527

This is where we came to the disagreement.

I agreed that given the central tennet of the greater commonality of more independent, stronger, more socially unbound females, the motivation of ale and whores could certainly be true for some females.

However, I didn't think that that would necessarily mean a greater commonality of call guys as well. It's true that both genders could seek gratification of that kind, but I posed that a like-minded female need not settle for some tavern employed pretty boy, when she could go for relatively anyone in she pleased in the tavern, most likely settling for some other adventurer or passing traveler. There really wouldn't be a market for employing, say, some handsome wily male waiter/boy toy, possessing the traits of a long-term partner, when simple gratification is all that is desired. In which case physical prowess would win out, and would be doubly possessed by any male adventurer or traveler in the place.

This is of course, considering such a female wouldn't be interested in her own party members, or simply traveling/adventuring by herself. I still think though it's something to think about, considering we weren't able to reach an agreement.


tl;dr does the motivation of Ale and Whores carry over for women as well?

>>12661549

That's true, there's no denying that.

But it's also true that the majority of gigolo clientele are men. If a woman wants simple sexual gratification, she doesn't need to seek a gigolo to fulfill that. She can just go to a bar or other such place, and even taking a passive role will likely receive propositions, let alone if she takes an active role.

...Yes? And?

You just described a gender-equal society. Sure there would be female adventurers in it for the ale and wenches. And that would mean that there would have to be wenches to the ladies' liking.

>>12661549
But as this poster said, they would be a bit different than your average busty barmaid slut.

rolled 36 = 36

>>12661687
>>12661692
I see a point for both sides, but I'm going to chime in later, and see if it's just a troll or not.

>>12661642
In my experience, there isn't much difference between how easy it is for women to pursue romantic interests and how easy it is for men. Saying that a woman adventurer wouldn't need to employ a 'call guy' because she could have whoever she wanted is akin to saying a male adventurer would have ladies falling into his lap without even trying.

>>12661692

Does that go so far as to imply that taverns/inns or simple street hustlers would employ guys like that though, with the secondary job description of accommodating female adventurers?

Male prostitutes exist. They don't generally service female clients.

For simple one night stands, women have a much easier time obtaining a lay than men do. The demand is lower.

Male "escorts" are almost invariably used by other men.

>>12661766
>Saying that a woman adventurer wouldn't need to employ a 'call guy' because she could have whoever she wanted is akin to saying a male adventurer would have ladies falling into his lap without even trying.

Wat. I think it has more to do with her being FEMALE.

>>12661766

Well there's the issue that even with the greater frequency of adventuring females, the numbers still wouldn't be as high as men filling the same role. True, greater numbers of adventuring females, but still a minority compared to men.

As well, the issue that even though both genders can/would seek sexual gratification, for a guy it could be a nightly thing, whereas for a girl it probably wouldn't be as frequent a pursuit.

There's always going to be women filling traditional roles in the setting, so even if an adventurer was unbound of social constraints, there's still the prospect of her reputation taking a hit (even if it's only from her friends) if she bedded some guy every night.

If adventurers were disproportionately wealthy, business would spring up around providing services for said adventurers when they came to down. For the guys, maybe it's booze and wenches, for the girls, it could be booze and toyboys, but it could be something entirely different. It would depend on what the adventurers typically wanted, I guess. It wouldn't necessarily be symmetrical.

>Mental image of some drunk adventurer chick hitting on a bishie elf waiter boy
>"P-Please miss, I have to serve the drinks to customers!"

I do see them going to taverns and getting plastered, and I do see them getting laid when they get to town.

Only booze requires money to be gotten, as a material good.

>>12661916

DRAWFAGS!

>>12662280

Or writefags, whichever works.

I'm reminded of the fic about the Dragonborn adventurer chick that went on a drunken bar-crawl, looking to lay a human guy.

>>12662329

Oh god, sauce?

>>12662181

Although in many cases guys can and will purchase whores, while a girl can achieve the same end but without spending money.

>>12662349

I don't know, it sprung up a good many months ago, and fueled a rush of other similar pasta.

The original was that the guy was a low level and the dragonborn was a high level, and crippled him because of the difference in CON, but left him with lots of loot to compensate.

There were all sorts of variations though.

>>12661406

Ppppt. She's clearly just there to provide support for the obviously superior male bird.

Y...Y'know, I've alwaysh thought you were my beshtest compu...compen...beshtest buddy, Even more than that shtuped harf ork Choppy McChop Chop. And you have a magnifishent arshe to boot, hehehehe. Sho...wahddya say to coming to my room and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>12662329
This?

>>12662461

That might actually be a drawfag of it, though the original was a long fapfic.

>>12662435

lol I remember that, so many white knights.

>>12661858
Truth. Irrelevant of social restrictions women and men will always place different values of different activities. Even before civilization men were hunters and women preferred to chill with their friends and get down to some srs gatherin'.

The difference here is simply supply and demand.

In our society, women don't generally want to fuck a different guy every night, while guys often do. Hence, there is a shortage of female libido and a surplus of male libido, which drives the price for the former up (whores cost money) and the price for the latter down.

This, however, leads to a few questions. If both genders demanded the exact same amount of sex, would prostitution still be profitable? In a gender-equal society, *would* both genders demand the same amount of sex? Would it depend on cultural mores, even if the society was nominally equal? And what about different races? What if elf women naturally want to bang a different dude every night, owing to the elves' abysmal fertility rate? What sort of effects might this have on both gender and racial politics of an integrated society?

I honestly don't think we have enough information to answer those questions.

>>12662574
Ahh, but in said society there are still lots of death, average lifespan at around 16. There will be people dying that will shift the population numbers one way or the other. So in a small town or village you can expect there will be either male OR female prostitutes to satisfy those widows and others.

And this world will still have people who can't get laid because they're ugly, belongs to a different race or simply can't flirt with people. Just like in the real world.

She was getting impatient, she was getting bored. This was a human dominated village and the likes of her elven beauty should have these pitiful (strong, hefty) men drooling over her. But she had been posing prettily at the bar all night and not a single catch! She was tired and horny after plunder that lich's treasure trove and she needed man meat NOW! Worst of all, she had to buy her own drinks, the indignity!

She glared around the tavern as if this was the villagers' fault but her face softened as she noticed a strange trend. Men, including her own party member, gave gold to some of the servant girls and disappeared upstairs with them. She looked to the barkeep, a young male even by human standards, and asked what was going on.

"Well, they be working girls. Their working two 'trades' at once," He answered slyly.

She scowled, "You mean the employees here work as prostitutes as well?"

"Well, I wouldn't put it like-" He stopped short when the elf woman grabbed his hand and placed three gold coins in his palm.

"Fair enough," She pulled on his wrist, "You will come with me upstairs, now."

"But I have to tend-"

"NOW."

"okay."

>>12662461
>>12662329
>>12662379
Russ, that one has a young boy she cares for. And wishes to molest. Trog is posting on hentaifoundry finally.

>>12662627
>>12662627
>>12662627
>>12662627

Oh shit F5-ing nonstop.

For this fa/tg/uy, I think the state of fantasy prostitution is largely dependent on whether or not other professions are as gender-equal as adventuring. Since I tend to assume an equal if not more archaic state of gender relations in my fantasy games, here's how I think it'd turn out:

Female adventurer walks into a tavern looking for ale and whores. Though equally respected, lady adventurers are still a minority within the culture, but their tastes are known among the bartenders who serve them.

Though the stable boy isn't normally "for sale," he is a peasant, making do on coppers while sleeping above the barn. If an adventuress wishes to bed him for coin, he'd be a fool not to accept--and if I happened to refuse her, the innkeeper would surely box his ears.

Not that there's anything wrong with other imaginings--this is just how I think I'd run it.

It would depend on the percentage of female versus male adventurers. If the numbers are roughly equal (and in a society where men and women are equal, it likely would be, since [sometimes only slightly] more female children are born than male children anyway in most species) then there would be professional male entertainment available just as much as there is professional female entertainment.

However, these places are likely to be distinct - I suspect that it would be rare to see a mix-gendered serving staff in most taverns, in this world. You'd have taverns that cater to men, and others that cater to women, and then the rare "exotic" places that would have both genders - And likely a wide variety of exotic races, as well.

If I were a chick adventurer, I'd buy myself some time with a gladiator.

>>12662627

>Female adventurer forcing an unwilling barhand

I love it. It's like that trope of the big violent dudes bullying the honest working maid in the bar. Only reversed.

>>12662639
Um, sorry, that was all I was writing.

>>12662620

>average lifespan around 16
You mean an average *age* around 16? Because I seriously doubt a population in which half the population doesn't see 17 is viable in the long term.
You do have a point, though. A low-life expectancy population is generally bottom-heavy, with a disproportionate number of 13-20 year olds; take afghanistan, for example; the average age is just over 15. A disproportionate number of youths and all the associated hormones would certainly complicate matters.

>>12662641

So they just keep the delivery or janitor boy on hand, when a female adventurer happens to show up looking for a night to spend?

That sounds fairly reasonable. As just a detail of his job to perform, between sweeping the floor or stocking supplies, or whatever.

>>12662641
>and if I happened to refuse her
>I

nice freudian slip.

>>12662691
No I meant lifespan. Children and babies in particular have very weak immune systems and if the world lacks proper healthcare I would assume a lot of children die in the first year. Yes if you live past 20 you can probably kick it up to 50 in a medivial setting. But I'm also assuming your wife would die in childbirth, two of your children died in their first year while the other 4 lived good lives though one of them died in a war before he could get married.

>>12662628
I've noticed that.

Huzzah.

I thought it fit the story but I didn't know its own, ah well.

>>12662696
Given the money that your average working class person makes in a fantasy society versus the cash that an Adventurer pulls in, I'm pretty sure that "whore" isn't really a solid job - It's something you do when the opportunity comes up. Some adventurer sees you and goes "Ooh, you're hot, how about I drop you some gold and we go up to my room?" ...Well, you take it, because that's a huge payoff for very little in the way of work. True prostitutes would be moderately rare, I imagine, just like adventurers would be. A town might have a couple, used to working the townsfolk, and see an adventurer as a big score... But why go for the well-used town whore when you could drop some gold and have the (Person)'s son or daughter falling over themselves to please you for cash?

>>12662717

That holds true, but is a fairly human-centric viewpoint.

In most fantasy there's magic, so that's bound to help life quality and health. Also there are other races physiologically different from humans.

>>12662696
in this weird clique of whoring adventuresses which is sounding more interesting with each post, perhaps an individual stablehand becomes a local favorite, while his bar also benefits from his reputation. that might be enough to convince them to pick up another pretty boy when the previous stablehand grows out of it or dies as the result of being a plot hook

>>12661527
>>12661406
>>12661642
Probably, if only because at the end of the night male prostitutes come with less strings attached, and they are probably better skilled. There's no need to worry about the boy being clingy or being demanding in bed, and imagine if the boy tags along or talks loudly about how he slept with that ranger chick the other night. It would be pretty mortifying and screwy with intra-party relations.

>>12662725

Hell, I'd fuck a biker for a thousand bucks.

>>12662725

That makes sense. Why settle for an actual prostitute when you could just reel an average local? It's only for a day/night after all.

>>12662755
Men can't be clingy? Bulllllllllshit.

But the whole not-getting-pregnant thing really helps.

>>12662773
What? No, I am saying that male prostitutes are less likely to get clingy than, say, a stable boy.

>>12662755

Well I would assume you could have the same problems with a girl, if you were a guy.

I'm gonna dump adventurer chick art while I read this neat conversation.

>>12662779
ohhhhh kay. nevermind the bullllllshit thing then.

>>12662780
>>12662773
Oh crap. I am sorry for not being clear.
I am saying that male prostitutes might be worth patronizing instead of some random guy for the reasons listed above.

>>12662779

But then there's the double-edged sword of a prostitute possibly having diseases.

Typically you only opt for prostitutes as a simple means to satisfy an end. If you're an adventurer though, you can afford to reach higher on the ladder than prostitute.

>>12662771
"Man, the mayor's daughter is one hot girl..."

"Dude, just think. Every adventurer who comes through thinks that. See that jewelery? She can't afford that shit. She's been ridden by every adventurer who came to town."

"Oh fuck, man..."

"But the girl who works at the stables... Go offer her some cash, and buy her a good bath first, and you'll thank me in the morning... If your hips are still intact."

ART

>>12662802
Hm, true. That might just result in a higher class of prostitute, though, made of people very well trained in their craft.

>>12662830
Holy Hookers and their retired Paladin Pimp.

They go out, get laid for money, donate it to the church and live a life of luxury... And the Pimp removes their diseases between jobs.

OP here, I'm glad this turned out to be a discussion comparable to the one me and my friend had.

This thread wasn't started as a troll as some might believe, and it's nice to see it was treated as such.

>>12662802
I could see a group of monks doubling as top-tier companions due to their disease immunity. Certain sects might even consider it a sacred act, a way to celebrate the body and strengthen the temple.

I can see the smut on my imaginary bookshelf now: "Musclebound Monks of the Love Goddess"

>>12662830

That's a viable possibility, and a solution to the problem.

However what are the chances of such a person(s) existing in backwater villages and small towns and such?

That seems a luxury afforded to bigger cities/towns.

>>12662855
Just make sure your hooker isn't high enough level to take the Power Vagina or Sunder Penis feats.

>>12662839

Did someone say sacred prostitutes?

>>12662839
Suddenly, Paladins of Sune everywhere.

>>12662871
But I thought Power Vagina was a pre-req for Cleavage?

>>12662800
You get the professionals for their skills and their insurence. Clearly.

"Look kid, ive been around the plane a few times ok? Trust me, a professional not only knows how to do it, but how to do it right. Top that off with the fact a professional will have the right spells to protect themselves, if you go to the right places anyhow, from the hazards of the job, and theres really no reason not to other then your personal prefrence.

sure, I could pay enough to get anyone, or group of someones, in this town into my or their beds, but belive me, the professionals get paid for a reason. Unless your a Paladin of course, then your god keeps you free and clear of everything except the child care.

MORE ART

(also, why do use both flood detection AND captcha? it seems like captcha should be enough...)

Doswlin, Paladin of Justice, did not have vows of chastity. He patronized tavern girls as often as he could for even they may have families to feed but tonight he was not in the mood and merely tipped generously instead.

So it was with this unoccupation this night that favored him with the sight of Fellnight, his rogueish elven friend, walking down the stairs looking mighty smug with herself. And after her finally came the missing barkeep boy, waddling awkwardly as if his hips pained him greatly.

Doswlin regarded Fellnight as she sat at their table, "Had fun?"

"The boy was satisfactory," She said bluntly, but Doswlin could see she shined with afterglow, "But human men can be so... inflexible."

>>12662859
You have a point, though I think towns seeing an increase in local adventurer activity would inevitably attract high-quality prostitutes. This is supported by two tendencies shown in human history. The first is simply that people selling companionship do have a history of following armies and the like, groups where sexual activity was restricted and social ties were few. The second is that as wealth is accumulated, people tend to be more lent to hedonism. If we're assuming that adventurers have disposable coin that is not tied up in financing their next quest, and a significant amount, it only makes sense that that tappable market would attract increasingly adept specialists, assuming that adventuring is a known practice and the markets last long enough to be identified by suppliers.

>>12661406

One minor thing I'd like to point out- Adventurer women would be *very* highly desirable. I mean, they're rich, powerful in both a temporal and literal sense, incredibly deadly, and most often beautiful- If not naturally, with Charisma-boosting items and so on. It seems more as if they'd be the ones attracting the attention, instead of having to go look for it; I can't imagine a Level 5 Sorceress *ever* have a problem getting a date, for example. Even politically- Are you really going to say 'no' if your son's would-be girlfriend is an incredibly powerful Cleric? The scales would really be weighted in their favour- Any straight guy would want a night with one...Unless she's a dwarf or half-orc or something. There won't really be a need for male prostitutes- And the whole risk of pregnancy seems to be a significant bar to it.

>>12662917
>Roll Paladin
>Consult "The Chart"
>Sleep with things that can't crossbreed
>???
>PROFIT
Oh and i almost forgot
>Be THAT GUY

>>12662839

Wouldn't he be more of a bouncer type guy and doc type then necessarily the pimp (i.e. in charge of making sure them hoes is working and giving him money)?

If he is a front man, I figure he would be acting in more an actor's agent type role.

>>12662880
>>12662879

Sune
Ardarvia

Not sure which I would prefer....

Do know which I would admit to seeing first, at least.

>>12662931
If she's a powerful cleric who kills people for a living and is going to be blowing out of town in a couple of days never to return, yeah, I might be reticent to allow such a union.

>>12662931
what if the 5th level sorceress is fifty? i mean, yeah, she could still charisma her way into getting laid with someone, but she's got dragons to slay, so why not just drop some coin and be done with it?

>>12662953

Not a union, just a one-night stand. I mean; Just imagine the bragging rights after it. Or not- But it seems sort of backwards that a girl like that would have to *pay* for a date. If she just went to, say, a tavern, she'd have guys flocking to her. Before she even cast Eagle's Splendor.

"Don't be crude. I'm not paying them for the fucking, I'm paying them to put up with the whipping first."

>>12662979
I imagine that someone like that would also have a lot of people very suspicious. I mean, yeah, Ted's been tapping that Sorceress's chick for the last week, but man... Does he seem kind of out of it? Think maybe she Charmed or Dominated him?

>>12662979
That is what I meant by "union." And again, kills people for a living. I don't know if she's cursed to strangle boys in their sleep or if she's being hunted by some horrible specter or what. Plus, my boy might be the type to get complicated or clingy or he may just plain be a bad lay, so it's not entirely certain whether she'd want to sleep with him.
I mean, emotional intimacy that isn't reciprocated just gets people squeamish. It seems like there would be some demand for people who are certain to keep it professional.

Guy, think.
You're all saying, BECAUSE SHES A GIRL she doesn't need a man whore.
What about the not-so pretty female adventurers? Say the Half-Orc woman wants her some SNU SNIU, but she likes the little elf boys. She'd HAVE to get an Elf male prostitute or find some vary rare fetish elves.

>>12662996

Would she even need to? A Sorceress would have like, 16 Charisma. With Eagle's Splendor, she'd have 20 Charisma, which is about the same as...a Nymph's? I might be wrong. My point is, they won't need to charm people and so on- Just by being there and being interested, it's impossible that they'd go home alone by the end of the night.

The question would be more like; Ted's a lucky bastard, instead of 'Why is he doing her?'

>>12662959

My point is, they won't have to.

A powerful and aggressive female with no need for a male partner to sustain herself would probably pursue even more powerful aggressive alpha males or charismatic artist rockstar type bards for tryst.
Paying for dick is completely unsexy.

>>12663016

>implying there aren't plenty of guys that would get in on some half-orc action.

>>12663017
If charisma = sexual attractiveness, then we would be obligated to get boners from ghouls.

"Say what you want, my money's good. Besides, you're pretty cute for a mammal... c'mere."

>>12663024

You put it better than I could have. She'd hardly have to waste time with peasants- Anything from dangerously sexy demons, to princes, to kings, or pretty much anything interested in women would be after her.

It applies the other way, too; If you're a high-level male adventurer, you're probably flirting or laying that Charisma 20 elf girl, the ghaele eladrin, like Celeste from paizo's adventure paths, or a succubus if you're Neutral or Evil aligned. Hell, this is the point where powerful and exotic women would be taking interest in you, and actively trying to seduce you- it seems backward to go 'slumming'. Even the Rogue is probably having and on-and-off again thing with this *other* femme fatale who keeps popping in and out of his life.

>>12663043

I...actually have an example of that.

Will scan and post if this thread is up tomorrow.

>>12663024
It depends, though. People like power, and paying for sex guarantees power over the person without it feeling necessarily like rape.

>>12662979

Maybe other adventurers sure, even locals.

But then if she's looking just to blow off steam, then at least concerning her reputation, is she going to settle with all the guys ogling her, who can use her as bragging rights, or the reserved honest, working assistant or stable boy or whatever?

>>12662725
Because the whore would know what they were doing.

>>12663057
Besides the fetishization of control implicit in buying a partner the only other reason I could see it happening is if their is still a stigma against promiscuity and she isn't paying for sex, she is paying for the guy to keep his mouth shut afterwards and female adventures pass around names of guys who know discretion.

>>12663063

Won't the latter be even worse? At least the former would be honest. You're thinking 'humble, hardworking working-class dude', or shota-ish stableboy but you'd be completely wrong...There's no way he wouldn't totally see it as the night of his life. Unless she's, say, a burly half-orc. Then it would be the night of his nightmares.

>>12662743

I don't think it'd really be an issue of a parade of adventuring sluts passing through town everyday fucking everything in sight.

More just like, on the off occasion that a female adventurer happens through town, it's possible that it's been awhile and she's just looking to bed someone for the night. Not a common occurrence, but happening enough that it's known to be a way to make profit.

Hence why the guy talking about how they just have the delivery boy extend his "duties" once in awhile, made sense.


I'm reminded of the male prostitute in who posted on /r9k/, about how he almost exclusively serviced men, but more than once provided services for women in the military on leave.

>>12663085
>implying when you pay a female whore, you aren't paying for her to shut up/leave

art

>>12663107

Okay, a girl like that? If she's an adventuress, I cannot imagine her having to buy sex. If she was at least vaguely interested in a one-night stand, she'd have her pick.

>>12663125 et al
Why are we so wedded to the idea of all adventuresses being hot?

>>12663094

If it's just a job description of his though, then it won't be highly regarded.

Your average barman can be like "Yeah, that barbarian chick that passed through? Banged her."

Whereas the designated boytoy inn worker, it's something he's obliged to do, job description.

>>12663136
I don't think ugly female gang bangers and military women have trouble getting laid.

>>12663125
Except Joe Prettyboy won't know all the fun little things that Mr. Smith, Professional Gentleman Caller, might. Prostitutes thrive on repeated business. And you won't GET repeated business if you don't know what to do to drive your client wild.
Yeah the sex would be FREE, but it would only be good for Joe Prettyboy. Unless the adventuress got lucky,

>>12663150

Some people say ugly, I say "Hell yeah I would do Vasquez in a heartbeat."

>>12663052
>>12663024

That holds true for higher level players. If you're a sorceress blasting apart giants and liches, then sure, go for the hero of the ages or demi god or bard.

But considering low-level adventurers, you're just passing through some backwater village, you're not going to find a handsome strapping viking barbarian to sweep you into a night of ecstasy.

But if there happens to be a cute bartender that catches your eye, and have spare cash lying around from that dungeon crawl...

>>12663085
Well, any random guy could have weird, insistent fetishes or hang ups or such that could be really unappealing.
If you hire a prostitute, you remove a lot of that uncertainty. That is sort of the power I was referring to.

>>12663136
Because /tg/ can't deal with unattractive women, because they believe that the first priority and most important thing for women is being what they find sexy.

>>12663156
Yeah, but Vasquez isn't like, real-life ugly. She's just movie-ugly. Real-life ugly is oftentimes hard to look at.

>>12663165
Reproductive fitness is important to both genders and most media prefers heroes that are reproductivity fit.

>>12663085
You don't hire a prostitute to have sex with you.
You hire one to have *good* sex with you.

A lot of guys are shit at pleasing a woman, and a lot of guys don't really care whether they do.

>>12663156
Anyone who wouldn't choose to be fucked by Vasquez because she "isn't attractive" is a fool.

>>12663136

It's in the literature. Adventurers tend to be, if not immediately attractive, at least handsome. In any typical D&D novel, have you seen really, really butt-ugly adventurers? Even the damn half-orcs can be attractive for those who like musclegirls, and there's at least one guy who finds the emo warlock or gothy necromancer incredibly hot.

A half-dozen travelers piled into the Volga Inn at the edge of town. They were weary, quiet, but they paid well and tipped better- so Sam kept his mouth shut. As the barkeep, it was his job to poke his nose in only where it was needed... to fill in where the holy men could not. The drunks, wanderers... adventurers. Tonight, alas, was among the more bizarre things to line the long shelves of his dusty-but-ordered memory. A small woman in a hooded cloak hopped up onto a stool next to another of her companions. He was dark-haired and kept a trim beard, and looked the professional type; she was his opposite, alighting on her seat with an effervescent ease, and Sam nearly dropped the ale in his hands when she flipped her hood up. A kobold! Draconic, striped features and a mouth full of carnivorous teeth. That fang-filled smile was full of mischief, and by the time Sam had regained his usual composure, the two were speaking. He only caught part of it.
“-upstairs, you and me,” the female kobold chirped. Her Common was excellent.
“Why would I?” the man asked, incredulous.
“You're obligated under the terms of your service.”
“Oh no. I'm paid to cast spells, not fuck.”
“Third subsection, emergency combat clause: 'to provide services and assistance as needed.'”
“That's a loophole and you know it.”
“You're going to go back on your word?”
“Of course not. I will, however, file for an additional fee.”
“And the contract provides for this?”
“According to this contract, madame, you've already fucked me.”

>>12663182
There is a FUCKTON more variety in terms of male protagonists than female protagonists.

Furthermore, it's not just "physically fit", it's sexy, specifically. Why do you think female superheroes aren't, by and large, drawn with any significant amount of muscle?

>>12663171
But any adventure woman is probably likely to be a toned butterface (scars excluded) at the very least.

>>12663125

Obviously this wouldn't be a common problem for "high charisma" adventurers. But considering the dangers of career (scars, nasty burns, smell of rusty armor/magical ingredients) its not hard to see why some adventurers (male and female) would need to employ prostitutes.

Also adventurer looking to blow off some steam after the latest neardeath experience might not want to bother with seduction (and possibly inexperienced partner) when they can instead get some professional to help them unwind.

Also consider the type of mental trauma caused by whatever bbeg Dragon/lich/beholder they have just fought. They have propably consumed their body weight in alcohol as soon as they entered town. They are lucky if they wake up in a bed with a prostitute (regardless of gender) rather than waking up in the stables cuddling a mule.

>>12663186

Good point.

Men don't fuck Vasquez. It's always going to be "fucked by".

May also apply to half-orc chick upthread.

>>12663199
I lol'd.

>>12663142

Or someone just has a fetish for prostitution, and is trying to force it down our throats. There's nothing 'sexy' about it, to be honest.
>>12663052

This sounds more plausible.

>>12663200
Because a large amount of muscle is unattractive because a woman who could grow it is likely hormonally fucked up or has a myostatin mutation?

>>12663165
Oh, don't be stupid. A person has whatever priorities they want - they don't have to want to look a certain way, for example. But it is also true that a person can choose what they want to notice in other people - such as how they look, for instance.

Girls do what they want. Boys do what they want. Everyone has the same amount of control over the things they can control.

Fucking deal with it, already.

>>12663205

I think it would hold true for any adventurer and a commoner. Even a magic class is probably going to have higher strength than your typical peasant, let alone other strengths.

This could also be another reason for a female adventurer to bed a local, for the control aspect. She'd dictate the terms.

>>12663240
I have a level 8 wizard who, without gear, has 12 strength. True dat- and before you say "more punchy than casty" consider the following: 20 intelligence.

>>12663209
well played.

"Look man, I run a business. Adventurers come in here after passing through the tundra. You know what thats like? Frigid cold, dark as hell, and constant, constant danger. They get to this inn and they want to: eat, sleep, bathe, take a turn in the hotsprings, and let off some tension. In that order."
"So you employ Succubi?"
"No, I employ Succubi and Incubi. Goddess knows we have the cash to bind them, and none of them wants an Irate deity feeling they have messed up her home establishment."
"Incubi?"
"Are you daft? You notice the people that make it here? prefrence and gender split is nearly 30/70. You know what happens to the servants if they dont get some stress relife? Consant. Sexual. Harrasment! You want to go tell a black dragon that her servents are being annoyed?"
"Well no-"
"Then your still sane. So yes, I employ specalists to cater to all tastes."

>>12663287
>consider the following

And thus the thread comes full circle. G'night, everybody!

I once played a female fighter who sent most of her money home to her husband and kids... and spend a good chunk of the rest on booze and whores.
Was always careful to send money home before anything else. And MOST of the time she'd be careful to invest in better gear as well. But about a tenth of her loot was spent in brothels.

>>12663287

Exactly, by definition, adventurers are going to be stronger that commoners in some way or another, or even in all ways.

It's true that a strapping barbarian will give something that a peasant can't, but just as well, a peasant offers something an adventurer can't.

>>12663306

Similar situation, except with a boyfriend instead of a husband.

Pampering is another reason you might pay for it as well. Sure as an attractive adventurer you could probably pick up any one you wanted but they probably aren't going to pamper you.

So you go to a higher priced brothel put down some money, and get spoiled rotten for a couple of days.

Only partially related to the thread, but do you get xp for hooking up?

I mean you get better overtime, and that's just normal. If you can even survive a session with an adventurer who's strength is like double yours, then wouldn't that be like fighting a monster almost?

So overtime, let's say you've got this bar assistant kid, and he's the go to guy for female adventurers looking to blow off steam.

Wouldn't, after awhile, he have advanced in levels and be capable of becoming an adventurer himself? All from sleeping around?

This also questions the creepy potential of an adventurer having an assistant or squire, and using sex to train/level him/her. Or like some evil demon vampire overlord's slave girl or something.

>>12663605

I dunno...could see him gaining a couple levels of Expert.

>>12663628
Unless he specializes in 'exotic' chicks. then he might gain a few levels just to survive.
Heh, grinding rats int he basement so he can take on the orcs in the bedroom.

>>12663605
>>12663628
>>12663646

Mental image of a morning after where an adventurer is apologizing and paying lots of money to the inn because they bedded a commoner and killed them because difference in strength.

>>12663605

Even more hilarious if it was unintentional leveling.

After a few months "on the job", the barman finds lifting crates easier, or the barmaid is able to deal with drunkards and bandits with ease, but they're unsure why.

All that "training" with adventurers turned out to have an adverse affect on the local population.

paladins of Sune perfect prostitutes its practically in her dogma.

>>12663683
Que superstition about 'greatness rubbing off' on those who take time with adventurers.

Que a parent pushing their child to accept the deal because it will keep them safe later in life.

Naturally, bandit raid on a sleepy little village gets curb stomped because so many of the locals are... popular....

Lulz

>> inotan course

>>12663738

Hell same thing could conceivable happen in towns that are along trade routes due to the constant influx of different types of people.

>there would be a greater relevance/demand for "available males".

...gotta keep in mind that men are extremely slutty. Society does not care about their sluttiness and thus they're free to be taken by passing adventuress'. It's mostly female sexuality that's being regulated towards monogamy.

I don't know if male prostitutes would be AS common as female ones, but I think that they would be common enough to be easily found.

Men and women are, overall, wired differently, men don't have as many things to worry about after a one night stand as women do. Because of this, I think men might more commonly do if for free/cheap while a woman might charge more.

Overall though, I would include male prostitutes.

Reminds me of when I included a male-staffed bordello to demonstrate the size of the city they were entering: "They even have (blah blah blah)!" The Ranger chick dropped everything and beelined for it.

We had a lot of stories of what happened that night. But the best part was when the cleric tried to stop her and she replied, "But they're professionals! PROFESSIONALS!" and she was so desperate he let her go.

I can actually see there being a lot of bi-sexual elven prostitutes being available with more specialized ones like Dwarves, and Half Orc less common.

Plus another benefit Professionals would have over the average joe is training. Could see a number of them being low level Bards.

>>12663813

Ok, I lol'd.

Anyway, Gender Equality exists in most gaming settings these days. I see no reason why that Gender equality wouldn't go both ways. If you can have women equal to the greatest of men, surely you can have men equal to the lowest of women?

You could fluff them more as male geshas than prostitutes.
Hire them as much for the companionship as the sex.

Kind of like the companions in Firefly.

>>12663828

There's actually one Pathfinder module that has a "unusually handsome" half-orc gigilo working in a local brothel.

Figure they would be in high demand, considering...

>>12663864

Eh, too slow and expensive for somebody just passing through who does not really cares to become part of the city-culture at that.

>>12661642
>physical prowess
>implying women want giant hulking ugly Goliath Barbarians instead of roguishly handsome Bards.

>>12663868

Yeah...I had something similar but it was a female Deva who figured it might be enjoyable to spend a life time as an extremely high profile Courtesan. Ending up being extremely popular with my players. Totally based on the Consort from ME1 but fuck it. Good idea is a good idea.

A society where there are rich, unattached women, combined with a society where there are no social qualms against hiring whores...
... results in whores available for women to hire. Makes sense.

>>12664020

>Deva
>Asari

Well fuck if you didn't just sell me on the Devas.

Now I have to convert them to PF. THANKS A HEAP.

No seriously man, thanks a heap.

>>12664101

Welcome I guess. Once I made that association myself Devas became a lot more interesting to use. Hell you can pretty much use the different stages of an Asari for them as well.

I've just gone ahead and archived this thread on sup/tg/: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12661406/

This thread's been really cool.

I've been cooking up a matriarchal viking elf style race, and I wanted to play around with the gender dynamics. There's something deeply interesting about the idea of unspoken prostitutes in the population.

>>12664223

Unf.

Many of these comments, despite the various disagreements, hold a certain amount of weight. I think probably the only difference is going to be the culture of the city/town and the preferences of the individual players/heroes.

A big city may have brothels galore, which would naturally have some options available if purchasing a prostitute was virtually equivalent to waltzing into a convenience store.

A small town may have a brothel, or a seedy tavern, that certain adventurers may find off-putting or too "dirty" and may go for some other local who may or may not approach her first, depending again on the type of character that is being played.

I think it would be the DMs job to know the layout and culture of the city and know what kinds of people inhabit it, and the player's job to know their preferences and whether or not they would even consider the prostitutes being 'professional' or not.

seems like the whole thing would hinge on birth control

if a woman cant get 99% reliable birth control she isnt boffing random strangers every weekend

captcha: financial humans
lol

>>12664017

>Implying once in awhile, a good old plain hard dicking isn't desirable

>>12666161
But isn't the same true to regular female prostitutes?

Personally I think not.

Women are wired differently in that regard. Males are just out to fuck anything that looks humans. Spread the seeds ya know?

Women are wired to look for specific traits. Even if they think they're just looking for a dicking for the night because its fun their minds will still be ticking away carefully evaluating each potential fuckbuddy based on their instinctual criteria. Considering it's a one night thing they'll be looking for "masculine" traits that other adventurers (usually the fighter sort) will have in spades. The same individuals who will be looking for wenches.

A female adventurer won't need to spend money. Her instinctual drive for "strong mates" will drive her towards other adventurers.

In the event the female adventurer starts looking for something longer lasting they'll probably gravitate towards the groups wizard or other "intellectual" class members. They don't possess the strong masculine traits they look for in a mate but they do possess other traits that they instinctively look for when picking a long term mate.

And this kids is why your father is quite likely to not be who you think he is.

>>12666161

I think that's been largely overlooked ITT. Be it some potent sorceress or Amazonian warrior woman, if she gets pregnant there becomes a whole myriad of problems. Unfortunately, it might simply be too much a risk to deal with altogether.

Although, that's assuming that in a fantasy setting, they wouldn't also have at least some kind of magic or method for dealing with such an issue.

But even so, while you could maybe expect a brothel, hospital, or even shrine/church to maybe offer such a service, it seems unlikely you'd be able to find a niche service like that while out adventuring, at some backwater village or outpost.

So again, the problem repeats itself. All in all, despite the benefits, it seems too risky for a female adventurer to just blow off steam every once in awhile, unless it's at some big city or at a professional establishment.

Or if she's an adept of some fertility deity, but then who wants to play with those kind of people?

>>12666461

But one of the central issues of the thread, is that while it's very likely that for something like a one night stand, a burly adventurer is probably what you'd want (physical prowess), if you're an adventurer and at some faraway village or town, people like that aren't going to be common, considering you yourself are probably a rarity already.

As such, sure everyone would prefer a beautiful woman or strong man, but that might not always be available.

>>12666507

This Anon clearly doesn't understand women. If no one who meets her standards is available she will do without.

Women are not men. They do not have an "uncontrollable urge to fuck" to them it's just a tool. A pleasant tool but a tool none the less.

>>12666474

Heheh... we had a situation like that where our groups primary fighter, a half-orc barbarian chick, was crushing on the mage who took it upon himself to "civilize" her (teach her to read, write, hygiene, etc...).

She always wrote him love poems in broken bad english/common, performed brutal enemy slayings in his name, and asked the bard to help her with love songs, hers was an unconditional love after all.

The mage on the other hand though, simply didn't see her like that, and didn't intend for his teaching to have an emotional effect on her. And so, cue a continual cycle of the half orc trying and usually failing to act like a proper lady to impress the mage, and mage having to try his hardest to overcome her advances because strength difference.

On top of it all though, was the factor that unknown to the half-orc girl, several of the members in our group at various points took the mage aside, and pretty much made it clear that if he reciprocated her feelings in any way, they'd do terrible things to him. It took allot of pleading to get them not to neuter him in the first place, simply because; we couldn't afford to have the half-orc, our main and strongest fighter, put out of commission by pregnancy.

Boy I tell you, I did not envy that mage.

>>12666601

Ya know Necromancers know a curse that makes you infertile. You can get it fixed with remove curse.

>>12666551

Spending six months (or even longer perhaps, all depends) out in the wild though, only coming across outposts and maybe a village, sure it's not an uncontrollable urge to fuck, but depending on the person could overtime build tension. Also consider the presence of alcohol and other substances in your typical after-dungeon celebration.

Other anons said, if you were in a village, it wouldn't be a stream of adventuress sluts fucking everything as they pass through, but just maybe once in awhile, a drunk or celebratory woman might feel like treating herself.

Again not everyone is afforded the luxury of choice or availability.

This is of course, setting aside inter-party relations. And considering extended periods of time away from typical civilization.

Solution: a society where females castrate the male population after they his puberty. Poon tang for the guys, and wing wang for the gals.

>>12666611

Without a necromancer in the group, like we were really going to go through the hassle of finding a necromancer willing to perform such a feat, all the while without the half-orc knowing. Keep in mind, had she known we were threatening the mage on the side for him to shun her, then she probably would have kicked the shit out of us.

No, it was just much easier to put all that weight and stress on the kid and let him deal with it.

>>12666642

Then chances are she'll just look for some big ox of a man (every village has one) or if he's young enough then fuck the local mayor (or equivalent)

>>12666655

Could have just said "You can have a veritable litter of quarter orc children AFTER this adventure is done alright?"

>>12666668

I think that's what he was getting at. If there aren't suitable adventurers, there'll be substitutes.

>>12666680

Well the mage didn't want that, and the half-orc said we were wrong for thinking she just "want make baby", but we knew that if it was a true relationship, overtime one thing would lead to another and the inevitable would eventually occur.

Hey, in the end, it sort of worked out anyway.

>>12666685

My points were that women don't think of sex in the same way as men and that no matter how much of a hideous hambeast you are, you do not need to pay for sex.

>>12666739
True you may not need to pay for sex, but you will most likely need to pay for good sex.

>>12666808

Not really.

Excuse me, but I gots me a question.

How 'integrated' are these random adventurers in most settings?

You're both idiots. We have female police, soldiers, construction workers, teachers, business owners, and so on.

Has the number of male prostitutes seeking women employers increased drastically because of it?

>>12666846

Barely.

>>12666856
Bingo. Male prostitutes, whatever few there may be, are typically there for males seeking males.

>>12666822

It'd probably be a pretty rare thing in typical fantasy settings, like celebrities but without the fame or following.

Sure, there's lots of adventurers out there, but given the size of the world, the chances that you'll meet them on a regular basis are low, unless you live in some cosmopolitan place, or in an area that could use the help of adventurers (town plagued by vampires, city under siege of a dragon, etc...)

>>12666871

Further reinforcing my earlier comments about how females regard sex and the manner in which they choose males.

For some women, there might be appeal in "Tavern Studs" or whatever you want to call them, but the psychology of female sexuality is different from that of men in various ways which would make that sort of thing less desirable to female adventurers in general.

Male sexuality is highly focused on immediate gratification and visual stimulus. That is to say, looks in his mate matter more than anything else in determining how much he'll enjoy himself, and he doesn't have to know that he'll ever see the mate again to enjoy fucking her in the here and now.

Women's attraction circuitry is less visually based. Both men and women are attracted to signs of genetic fitness in mates, and in women that means big tits, shapely curved, nice waist-to-hip ratio, etc. But for a man it means not just looks and physique, but also wealth, popularity, and various other measures of social status. A handsome guy in a bar doesn't titillate a woman like a pretty girl in a bar does a man.

So what I think is, sure, there might be a rise in male prostitution in a world where women are independent and less societally constrained, but never meeting or exceeding the prevalence of female prostitution. Female biology and psychology mean that the demand just won't be there.

>>12666934

Women will often secure a mate with wealth, social standing, etc to provide for the long term then mate with another male and dupe the first male into raising the child.

Aren't mammalian sexual practices awesome?!

>>12666934
Textbook white knight.

>>12666890

Sounds more like adventurers would be treated like a roaming mercenary company in the Renaissance.

>>12666991

That makes pretty good sense.

>>12666846
There's a difference in that adventurers and soldiers are alone and stressed for a good deal of time, and keep no families or friendship networks about them. The only occupation you listed that syncs up with that is soldiering, and even that is different in that we're looking at a member of a large contingent of people that has its own code of behavior and social pressures versus a small group of individuals who probably carry much less social weight.
There's also the issue of the availability of Craigslist and anti-prostitution laws that likely curtail the active patronization of prostitutes by women.

>This Anon clearly doesn't understand women. If no one who meets her standards is available she will do without.

The >implications here are that men will keep goats to have a cunt around whenever they're single, of course.

>>12668461
That... didn't seem to be the implication, actually, but I will agree that that take on female sexuality isn't generalizable enough to be used without some qualification. Plus, "standards" isn't defined well enough to preclude prostitutes.

Distinct lack of female opinion in this thread.

Any position on the subject from any actual girls?

>>12668649
Yeah, seriously. This is a conversation where gender is pretty relevant.

>thou givied

>>12668649

We've learned to avoid these threads, thanks.

If I were a girl and an adventurer I'd pay for a guy to spend the night with, once in awhile.

>>12668690

>If I were a girl

>>12668687
Man, I can't fault you for that.

>>12668649
That because most women who would bother to post in this thread would have been shouted down as attention whores and hambeasts.

Truth is, most men will have no problem giving a woman sex if she wants it and looks reasonably decent, as most adventurers, by dint of heroic nature, usually do. So there wouldn't be as much need for gigolos and the like to serve women.

>>12668706

True, but this is and has been a decidedly serious and productive thread, given the subject material.

I should like to imagine then, an actual relevant opinion or two would be taken seriously into account.

>>12668728
Yeah, seriously. This thread has been around for almost a day now and there hasn't been any serious flaming going on. I would hope that precedent would allow this thread to serve as some polite forum for a discourse between the sexes.

>>12668728

Taking you at your word and giving it a read over. I'll probably regret this.

... and actually wasn't that bad. I'll give you guys some credit. Now, I want to start off by saying that I can't speak for all women any more than you guys can speak for all men. All I can do is state what I feel personally and what I've observed about other women. So take what I say with a grain of salt.

>>12663183
I'd like to stress the point made in this post here. A lot of guys are shit at sex. You can have a dick the size of China (ouch) and be the strongest, most dexterous person on the planet, but that doesn't do you shit if you don't have any idea what pleases a woman.

Many guys tend to assume that if it feels great for them, clearly it feels equally good for the girl. This isn't always the case. In theory, a male prostitute would be all about pleasing the customer, while a guy in a bar would just do what he normally does when he has sex with a girl. You might get lucky and find one who both cares how it feels for you and knows how to make sex amazing, but you'd be taking more of a gamble.

As far as whether or not a woman would want that service... it depends on the women. I know chicks who'd be willing to go for the sort of service I described. Personally, I'd just use my hand and save my money for a nice sword.

>>12669010

That seems wholly reasonable. Thanks for the input.

>>12669010

I'd like to add to this that another reason why women in reality might not be using prostitutes as much as men might be that the stigma would be WAY worse than that of a man. That stigma might not be as readily present in a fantasy world, especially among adventuring ladies. Shit, they might trade info on skilled and healthy man-whores among themselves.

I'd say that Companion-style male courtesan types would definitively exist, maybe as a guild. As for buying "wenches" equivalent, I don't think it'd be an issue, since women aren't quite as ravenous sexually as men, and might be more likely to hold it in for the REALLY good stuff.

>>12669071

That's in line with what OP's friend said.

>>12669010
>In theory, a male prostitute would be all about pleasing the customer, while a guy in a bar would just do what he normally does when he has sex with a girl.

That's not terribly different from the gay/bisexual male situation. If I wanted to hook up with someone tonight, I probably could, but it's a crapshoot as to whether or not it would be a pleasant experience. I'm also rather squicked out by the idea of hiring a professional so, outside of a relationship, my hand usually suffices.

>>12663016

How do you think Half-orcs even came to be? Orc adventurin' ladies getting it on with human or elf prostitutes.

>>12669140

I think that's probably the outlier of examples on how half-orcs come to be.

>>12669071
Then the issue probably comes back to supply-side concerns, as to whether or not suppliers could identify demand and its location enough to provide high-quality prostitutes. This makes me think that a guild would indeed form, as it would probably be easier to meet fluctuating demand if you had more information.

>>12669140
And Human guys after DAT ASS.

>>12669159
Oh dude, a guild would probably make means of contraception more available as well.

>>12669188

Undoubtedly. You think that's mere tea/wine/booze you're drinking? It's got herbal contraceptives in it. Tasteless, odorless and safe.

Because we care about our patrons. ;)

>That because all women who would bother to post in this thread would have been shouted down as attention whores and hambeasts.

fixed for accuracy.

I am rather proud of you, /tg/. This is probably the most thoughtful and productive conversation I've seen on 4chan.

>>12669188

Yeah, I was assuming contraception. Unless they had some really nice abortion clinics in this typical fantasy section, sex just wouldn't be worth the risk.

>>12669227

Derp. I meant setting.

>>12669214
Fuck off. Your approval is as worthless as you are.

I don't think adventurers, male or female, would be as sexually inclined as the general population. They walk 7-10 miles a day, spend their other days fighting monsters and exploring dangerous terrain, have to be constantly on guard and can only eat the meager rations they carry on them.

That said, I think female adventurers would hook up with their male counterparts, get pregnant maybe three or four times during their career, miscarry half their children and leave the other two with some grateful family or their parents after taking a month off.

It's kind of like 'why settle for a prostitute every time you go to a major city when you can get some hot adventurer ass whenever you want?'

>>12663055

Here you go.

Apparently they don't rot in that setting unless they go nuts and eat a whole lot.

Makes me imagine ghoul prostitutes who offer forbidden delights in exchange for a digit from a finger or a toe.

>>12669249
Crap, I'm sorry if that came off as condescending. That wasn't my intention. I say "proud" as in "having a civil discussion about something on the internet is very difficult and I think it is a testament to the patience of everybody in this thread that it did not combust," not as in "awww, you guys are having a conversation like real people!"

>I don't think it'd be an issue, since women aren't quite as ravenous sexually as men
Why do people keep saying shit like that?

Women are taught not to *express* it as much or as openly, for the most part, but as high as my sex drive is, I've known women with equally high or higher sex drives.

And once you get into the mid-30s age group, it's remarkably common for women to have higher sex drives than men.

>>12669261

Dude, dating coworkers - bad idea.

>>12669261
>I don't think adventurers, male or female, would be as sexually inclined as the general population.

My understanding of intensive marching band programs suggests that this may not be the case. I know it's not nearly the same thing, but there are the elements of intense, prolonged exercise and increased stress, and the end result is that band kids, many of whom are usually rather chaste, fuck like bunnies.

>>12669284
>Why do people keep saying shit like that?
Because fa/tg/uys never encounter women like that due to the constant slut-shaming they engage in.

>>12669261

Without contraceptives and taking pregnancy into consideration though, you run into a whole plethora of problems.

It'd probably be just too risky.


>>12669294

I think he meant other adventurers in general, not necessarily people from your own group.

>>12669294
Worse, you live with these people. Far away from civilization. Usually in hostile environments. It's kind of a powderkeg.

>>12669261

You don't fuck where you fight, sort of like how you're not supposed to shit where you eat. It makes shit complicated and sometimes outright unhealty.

>>12669308
Ex-theater kid here.
We also fucked like bunnies, except without all the intensive, prolonged exercise and shit.

>>12669322
Okay, that makes more sense. Similar problems leads to mutual understanding that would probably be rare in village folk, and I imagine adventuring would require a certain amount of emotional distance and coldness that would make any sort of relationship with a civilian somewhat awkward.

>>12669333
Haha, trust me, I know. I'm talking on the part of my friends who were in band. I was a theater kid myself, too.

The difference, though, was that the band kids were really sort of prudish most of the time, whereas most of my theater friends were overtly sensual.

>>12669343

Well that, and unless you're coming by this place on a regular basis for some reason, you'll probably never see any of these people again.

>>12669359
Nobody fucks like prudish kids driven into a frenzy of hormones fuck.

I'm going to play a changeling that seduces burly strapping lads in female guide, then turns male after and is like, "HA! You're gay now! Fag!"

>>12669333
>>12669359
And to think jocks gave us shit for being ghey. Theater chicks are both attractive and fucking crazy, adding up to funtimes in bed.

>>12669381
JOCKS: patting each others' asses in locker rooms.
THEATER KIDS: we had a "right side of the stage" changing room and a "left side of the stage" changing room, which meant during any dress rehearsal or peformance, everyone in various states of undress all mixed together.

(Granted, we were too busy trying to make or cues to ogle anyone, for the most part, but still.)

>>12669284

I've seen studies that lean both ways on this issue. It's almost as if both genders contained a variety of different people with different preferences.

Seriously though, if you look at hormones, I can sort of see where the idea comes from. Men, their sex drive doesn't vary. There's no reason why it would, you can produce offspring all the time. A girl's sex drive often depends on what part of their cycle they happen to be on. There's evidence that being on birth control (at least the ones that screw with a woman's hormone levels) can actually kill your sex drive. Of course, how much hormones your body produces and how sensitive it is to them varies from person to person, so there's a lot of individual variation.

If birth control is possible you are going find it everywhere short of apocalypticly backwards areas. Nothing is more important than controlling your own reproduction.
Combine that with magic STD cures, being able to go to a wizard to scry paternity and women being physically able to protect themselves you'd probably end up with a society where no one gives a shit about female promiscuity.

>>12669381
>>12669359
>>12669333
The couches in the green room.

You don't want to know what's happened on them.

>>12669280
Spare us the damage control, faggot.

>>12669378

Or takes guys back to the room and kills/eats them.

>>12669280
>civil discussion
>nerds making shit up about the kind of woman who would intimidate the shit out of them and whom they don't associate with
>nerds generalizing about women as a whole

>>12669406
This. Oh my fucking god this.

>>12669422
You don't like the concept of evopsych, we get that.

>>12669406
Jeeze my friends had stories about how open people were, I kinda wish I wasn't such a socially insular bastard in highschool.

>>12669431

Black lights are fun.

>>12669441
On the other hand the friends I met through another buddy that went to a different school implied quite a bit, and it sounded far better than what I heard about my school.

>>12669326
It's not like being in an adventuring party in the long term is a bond closer than friendship and they're basically the only people they ever see most of the time.
I mean for fucks sake that's like saying you should avoid having sex with someone because you're close to them.

The reasons for the roommate and coworker things is because you're both under long-term contract. That isn't the case here.

>>12669422

Have you seen /tg/'s normal threads about women? There's been barely any trolling, misogyny, name calling, or any of that sort of shit.

>>12669399
I imagine that after a nasty war a government would declare magical birth control illegal for a given time period to restock their nations population.

and a 'Just As Planned' Elf doing the same for a duration of 5 years, waiting another 17, and THEN going to war with his massive outnumbering advantage. (tons more 23-16 year olds then the local nations.)

I just want to add that birth control is not in the least a modern invention. Even in yonder times, if you missed a period you could go the the old herbalist lady to get something to help you flush it out.

>theater kids
Heh.

Right around the time my school put on Pirates of Penzance, there was a conservative-ish Christian girl who was discovering her sexuality. She and her boyfriend spent a *lot* of time fooling around.

Including in the furniture loft, on a performance right. Both of them topless.

The actors would walk onstage, glance right, freeze, smooth their expressions, and *never glance that way again*.

>>12669482
There's been plenty of misogyny. There's just barely been any *intentional, straight-up* misogyny.

>>12669440
I don't like evo-psych when it consists of unfounded armchair speculation, i.e. almost always.

>>12669511
Yes, everything is misogyny. Phallic swords are misogyny. Female adventurers who trim their leg hair is misogyny. Lack of female space marines (despite the far more elite temple assassins) is misogyny. Using "he" as the default pronoun is misogyny. We get it.

>>12669511
>I don't like evo-psych when it consists of unfounded armchair speculation, i.e. almost always.
THIS. evolutionarybiologyfag here, and I've yet to meet anyone expounding on evo psych or whatever you want to call it that knows shit about evolution (or, from my understanding of psychology, knows shit about psychology, either). It's just coming up with generalizations based on horrible simplifications or common myths to try and justify social norms between the 1950s and today.

>>12669511

Very well. Then what is your opinion of the issue at hand?

>>12669535

THERE SHOULD BE CUNT SHAPED SWORDS GODDAMN IT

>>12669485
The whole society structure would probably be different without women needing to settle down with just anyone for financial and physical security and good luck outlawing birth control after it has become accepted by the population when there are female casters out there who can nuke your capital.

>>12669535
>ridiculous, stupid straw men
So, is there some reason you posted that? Or did you just feel like herping so hard you derped?

>>12669491
I've got a few stories like that.

>>12669558
Axes leave vag shaped wounds

>>12669541
Yeah. Even among the notoriously soft psychological sciences, evopsych is scorned.

>>12669406
I have never been to a theatre area on any campus in the United States that didn't have couches.

It's like it's expected that we should fuck on them.

>>12669577

Hence the popularity of the weapon amongst lesbians?

>>12669275

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>>12669559
outlawing something is easy for a monarch. Enforcing it is a freaking nightmare.

Use Roman taverns as a model: the wait-staff are expected to be available for sex, either as part of the service or for an extra fee. Depending on how classy the place is and the gender roles in that society, the proprietor might also be assumed to be available; in Roman taverns, this was a standard assumption if the owner was female, or if the male owner had his wife behind the counter (in which case the wife was available, not the man).

>>12669322

Magic would work as a contraceptive. Cast Bigbys Clenched Fist and babby goes away. Bigby's 15' Staircase also would work.

What about women adventurers on the rag? Table for bloating and cramps? Requirements to change their blood sponges for hygene sake?

>>12669473
>>12669326

Because inter-party relations are always a bad idea.

Look at the example the guy in the thread earlier provided with the half-orc and mage.

>>12669656

Berserk touched on that last point once.

I'd imagine there have to be cantrips to help. Magic items easily affordable by adventurer types.

>>12669511
Yeah, the problem with evo-psych is that it provides an explanation for behaviors that can't really be falsified. I mean, if stats and studies sync up with what we understand about human behavior, awesome. But that's really just icing on the cake, not necessarily something you can argue from; it doesn't have the fossil record or the carbon dating that evolutionary biology has. I mean, even without that easy go-to justification, psychological studies are actually pretty hard to interpret if you don't have a background in statistics and how they play out in the social sciences because when it comes down to it, there are a million different x-factors that we haven't figured out how to control for and even after that, the stats usually aren't quite as telling as they first seem. And then, if you're trying to apply them to your daily life, you have to be aware that the people you're interacting with are a very biased population, and trends among the people you know are almost definitely going to be skewed this way or that way.

Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

>>12669485
Would there even be traditional wars anymore when heroes exist? Monarchs would probably just garner the favor of powerful heroes and send them to fight.

>>12669667

Always is a very strong word.

I'd say it's more situational.

Had a husban-wife pair of PCs in one group I was in. Professionals, both of 'em.

>>12669656

That's just joking around though. You can't afford to be that brash in reality.

First off, you're assuming the woman wouldn't want to keep the child.

Then after that, sans magic you have to wait till the fetus is sizable to by physically harmed. And then you have to consider the complications entailed with abortion.

The whole ordeal isn't just a walk in the park.

>>12669703

And then one dies, and then drama. Or a situation where they chose each other over the rest of the party.

Or a myriad of other similar complicated situations.

>>12669710

Bigby's Floating Coathanger + Bigby's Magic Vaccuum.

>>12669727
I don't know why you expect borderline psychopaths who decided to pick up a weapon and murder shit for profit to have any self control.

>>12669727

Sounds like a fun game, personally.

I WISH my players would go for complications like that.

>>12669686
Like airpower, Heros cant really hold ground in the stretegic sense. Therefore you use them like airpower, to eliminate enemy airpower, and to strike hard targets or provide massive firepower in a specific location.

You need armys to do everything else. Same with Gundams, high level offensive magic, Evas, Macross's or any other 'super unit'. Without backup it matters little.

>>greakend spc
eah?

>Use Roman taverns as a model: the wait-staff are expected to be available for sex, either as part of the service or for an extra fee.

...reminds me that pimps were considered to be barely humans in roman society. Prostitutes had a social role as outsiders, but pimps were just...well unpersons.

>>12669541

Another evolutionary bio fag here. I agree that when most people bring up evopsych, they're talking out of their ass and using "science" to back up their stereotypes. However, you can't completely dismiss the entire field unless you honestly believe that how an organism behaves has no effect on fitness or that no behaviors are heritable.

I wouldn't use it to explain everything about humans ever, but I think it probably can apply to some behaviors.

>>12669677

That's a good idea, cantrips as Asprin would be big business if they were available.

What other weaknesses of females could we get magic to cover? Maybe some kind of incubator system that teleports the fetus into a safe guarded magical box, protecting it from physical threats as well as typical adventurer overindulgance. We don't want her to be getting sloppy drunk like usual when she has a baby in her.

>>12669823

Well if you start getting into assisted or external child bearing, then like, society gets redefined.

>>12669823

>Maybe some kind of incubator system that teleports the fetus into a safe guarded magical box, protecting it from physical threats as well as typical adventurer overindulgance.

>>12669823

For the entire pregnancy? I would make the wizard who created that spell a fucking saint.

>>12669823

Actually,...some wizard somewhere has had to have approached the idea of test tube babies, artificial wombs, etc.

Not just as a matter of convenience, but also safety for adventurin' types. Maybe some life-link would remain between the artificial womb and the adventurer...

>we realize "humans" in DnD are not human.

>>12669865
And of course, removing the bonding experience between mother and child can't have any impact on the next generation at all!

>>12669854

Only for those that can afford it!

Lots of material components involved here, most likely.

>>12669885

Fucking parasite can bond with me after it gets out of the box. That's my blood you're feeding on, shithead. I need it for killing goblins.

>>12669911
Okay, psychopath.

>>12669911
Unless the box mimics some of the effects of pregnancy you are not going to have bonding hormones or the ability to breastfeed.

>>12669926

Try being pregnant for nine months and come back to us.

>>12669943

Bitch, no one forced you.

>>12669930

I'd imagine any such project is going to have an almost phylactery-ish bond. A lot of sympathetic effects going back and forth,.

Safeguards would keep harm from being passed from the parent to the child, of course, but there would definitely be some two-way transferrance going on.

>>12669885
But it's no problem when rich adventurers go to orc territory to get orc surrogates. Somebody's just being an angry pants; do incubators got you all upset and ready to cry?

>>12669876

The point is to have no link precisely because it's such a dangerous occupation. If the parent gets Undeaded, the baby survives.

>>12669961

No need to transfer effects back and forth. If you can raise a baby with a dead parent some of the time, you could do it all of the time. Or maybe the bond could be attached to the father?

>>12669926

Joking aside, that is literally what a fetus is and does.

>>12669865
Seconded.

rolled 56 = 56

>>12670025
So, if fetus's are parasites. Where does babby come from?

>>12670025
A parasite is a symbiont that decreases its host's chance for survival.

A fetus is the host's ONLY chance for survival.

>>12670056

That's right. They're tumors, not parasites.

>>12669541

Actually, depends on whether you are drawing human sexual behavior as closer to that of Bonobos or Chimps, and whether or not you consider elves and other non humans to have the same kind of mores in spite of not having the exact same descent.

The idea that women employ only one mating strategy is silly given that we have observed many, depending upon social arrangement, in primates. In some groups, males practice infanticide of children not known to be theirs. Solution? Hook up with all the males, confuse paternity. In primates, that works very well. In the minds of most people, culture and biology get swirled together unrecognizably.

>>12670075
LIFE IS A SICKNESS, EXTINCTION IS THE ONLY CURE

>>12670062

Are you talking survival or fitness? Because I'll grant that without having kids, a woman's fitness is pretty shit. Unless you take into account inclusive fitness, but that's just getting needlessly complicated. As far as individual survival goes, pregnancy does decrease your odds of it. Not as much now as in the olden days, but it does happen.

>>12670104
>LIFE IS A SICKNESS, EXTINCTION IS THE ONLY CURE

"What do you know of life, Angel? You don't even have a soul. Your Creator was right: we will be his undoing."

>>12670162
Oh shit, where's that from?

>>12670179

One of my campaigns. I'd need a thread alone just for the background.

>>12670201

I love storytime! Go do it, this thread is pretty much over with anyways.

>>12670207

Maybe later; other things requiring my attention come first before I can just have fun.

>>12670160
Depends where you are, in the modern world. In countries like the United States and above low income level, the increased risk of certain diseases later in life from never having had children, particularly breast cancer, makes not having any kids actually more likely to kill you than complications from pregnancy/childbirth.

/tg/ you have surprised me. This thread has not fallen to flame wars, or turned in to a Porn thread as I assumed it would.
Congrats Anon you deserve it.
There has been a bit of discussion about birth control but no real definitive solution.
I want you to consider this, invention is born from problems. If their is a problem someone will try to invent a solution.
While it is true that the standard fantasy setting doesn't have the level of technology to provide effective birth control in the traditional sense, this is because in a world where magic exists people invent more magical solutions than technological ones. (why invent electric turbines when lightning magic is far simpler, and probably cheaper)

My point is that in a technological society there will be technological birth control (condoms, Pharmaceuticals, surgery) and in a magical society there will be magical birth control (Rituals, Potions, Infertility spells)

>>12672898
for those of you interested in the subject there is actually a d20 module that deals with sex in a fantasy game, and many of the issues discussed here.
It came out in 2000 and is a little out of date and meant for 3e but it still is worth the read, It has magical birth control, prostitution pricing and what sorts of prostitutes you might find in different settlements and society, Even each races outlooks on sex, and childbirth.

It's called "Book of Erotic Fantasy" you will be hard pressed to find it in a shop though so here is a download link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QIOU3H10

9/10 you had me going there for a second.

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