go to /cgl/, those people actually know how to sow shit together

Paint everything blue.
Lurk for pray in rivers and lakes.

Ah, the leather guy.so first of all, you will need a cape. I's cliche and everything but for hiding in the woods its very good. Also if you play in cold weather you NEED a cape.
now, we usually buy military blankets to make capes out of them. Two reasons for this.
First they are made from wool and you can sleep under them even if the temperature is somewhere near zero.
Secondly, the blankets we can buy are perfect in colour for sneaking.
Also you can make padding clothes out of them

>>12938249
Having work a good waterproof hooded cloak on a backpacking trip, I absolutely agree that a cape or cloak is necessary. I like the idea of military blankets, I can prolly get some cheap.

>>12938067
Loincloth. Done. Use your deer hide to make a quiver. Paint body if desired. White shirt if it's cold. Blow that fucking horn.

Cloak guy has a point too.

>>12938261
Sorry, worn, nor work. *facepalm*

>>12938262
No.

>>12938286
How come? If you want to save money, go minimal.

I remember that said to you in the previous thread to sew leather to your cloth in the knee area and maybe in the elbow area. If you have thick enough leather you can make leather armor pieces, you will need 4 mm thick leather for that usually give or take 1 mm. Than this pieces you can saw, glue or just strap onto you. You can very easealy shape them if you put them on boiling water for a few seconds and then put them on a shape and fix them there until drying. Or fiy them first and then put them in boiling water. Or just warm water but then you will need more time in it.

>>12938261
for waterproof thing you could do two thing. one is buy some modern water proofing spray or something like that.
If you want to be more authentic then linen with linen oil (I hope thats how you say that in english, but maybe it's flax?)
I have a friend who slept through a storm in a forest and when he woke up he realised that there is water around him... but not under his linen blankets which was doped in linen oil

but for make souch thing you need a few days

Thrift stores and scrap leather from Tandy Leather shops or similar.

Go hunting through them for leather stuff- vests, pants, etc.

Use the scraps you've got to turn those into patchwork outfits- and cover over/replace anything obviously modern.

Surplus stores for the wool blankets- and that also can mean cloth bits for other things as well.

http://tutorials.abbott.me.uk/ -that should help with a LOT of the basics getting started.

oh and for inspiration look at this guys gallery. He is a genious

http://sharpener.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>12938067
The fuck is up with her nose?
Also if you want furs, don't you know any hunterbros who can hook you up?

>>12938297
I'd have to double my layers, the leather I have is prolly 2mm. I'll look for tutorials on boiling leather, it might be the way to go for bracers, etc.

>>12938342
Wool alone sheds water decently. If I find myself with the resources, I might sew a gortex or similar lining into a cloak. Or just wax it, beeswax covered cloth sheds water. Maybe a wool lining for a cotton cloak, wax the cotton? I'll see what I can do.

Which actually reminds me. I can easily get beeswax, as my family owns half a dozen hives. I probably have a lump or two kicking around in my room right now.

>>12938397
I've got a fair number of leather scraps. It's hard to find real leather clothing at thrift stores, believe me I've tried. The best I can get is from a leather factory about an hour from my house that sells straight leather (and a variety of goods that would make any LARPer drool, at prices that would make them cry). That's where I got my black piece.

>>12938430
Seen it. He's got some nice stuff, thanks for reminding me of it.

>>12938460
A friend of mine traps, but he sells his furs at really high prices. I hunt some, though I doubt I'll make it out this year. I'll ask my other friends that hunt, living in Maine I might be able to get a good deerhide cheap.

And I don't see anything wrong with her nose.

>LARP

you must be a total faggot.

>>12938529
if you're trying to make decent kit, I'd suggest looking not at larp, but reenactment websites.

livinghistory.co.uk , the armour archives, larsdatter, and the likes.

they'll be able to give you details on things like leatherworking (dont use stuff from charity shops, its chrome or alum-tanned leather, and does'nt work right. you need a vege-tan leather that can be worked wet to shape it.
wool, they can reccommend suppliers. wool works as it keeps you warm even when wet, unlike synthetic.

for armour, you want a vegetan and soak, shape and then carefully heat, and it will harden. you can also soak in a wax polish, but that's not actually historically accurate, and not as durable a finish.

have some leather armour arms

>>12938689
*bawww*

someone's a little insecure about their hobby, it seems.

its ok, we understand. dressing up as a fairy from some kid's cartoon the rest of people your age grew out of 15 years earlier can make people assume you're a screaming anal bandit.

but gamers are'nt going to be judgemental at you in that way. its ok, we understand your insecurity.

>>12938689

0/10

>>12938689
>LOL TIME TO MAKE FUN OF /TG/ FOR PLAYING MAKE BELIEVE...BUT FIRST, I NEED TO DRESS UP LIKE A CARTOON CHARACTER.

U mad, weeaboo?

Here's me in my armor (face removed because it really doesn't add to the whole thing when my beard isn't styled right or my contacts are in).

The clothes are suede leather, while armor has back and chest plate and can be fitted with thigh-guards on the front as well as shoulder-plates. There's also a sallet helmet with bevor, and arm and shin guards for a lightly armored look.

It's actually brand new, too. I haven't had a time to go out and try it. But it will have to wait till after winter.

>>12938793
Says the weeaboo from /cgl/.

>>12938635
continuing that vein, some other notes.

hardened leather cased vanbraces: a tutorial

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=118610

uses a natural vegetan leather (will not work with chrome-tanned/alum) of perhaps 2.5 - 3.5mm thick.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=94793

is a page with details about the heat needed to harden leather - also useful.

for a reenactment, you'd want linen, but a cotton would easily do for larp - and the best place for large sheets of cotton is charity shops. find white bedsheets, and you can use them to be cut to patterns for shirts, etc.

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/tunics.html

is a good resource for shirts, tunics, cotes, etc. if you can sew basic seams, and make measurements to fit you.

good shoes are the hardest bit to find. I can strongly reccommend this ukrainean site for cheap(ish) footwear that looks right, but can be bought with modern soles.... so they wear less, and are'nt so slippery to run in.

http://armstreet.com/store/footwear/

still expensive, but nothing close to most places. Dont even think about making your own shoes without a lot of practice.

>>12938803
I know riiiiiiight. Dont roll a 82 and summon your butthurt demons on me bro! lol!

>>12938808
You're the only one butthurt here, weeaboo.

>>12938808

82 wont perils of the warp asshat... no demon... I'm not helping am I?

>>12938793
Are you seriously that mad? I mean, really.

>Napoleon Cordow

Why yes captcha, Napoleon complex indeed

>>12938808

Shit, /cgl/ has let their trolls loose...

>>12938806

For living history, I made a pair of 11th century turnshoes pretty much perfectly on my first try - roughly 2mm leather, one piece upper w/inside side seam, plus sole.

Probably too floppy-soled to run on if you're not used to it, though.

>>12938689
>Look at the /cgl/ thread
>All the cglsers apparently hate this tripfag as well
>Realise it's he is a bad troll

>>12938836
This is why I wish they didn't give middle schoolers days off during the school year. You end up getting 13 year olds like this kid shitting up the boards.

>>12938840
The fat guy in the Sonic costume is calling the neckbearded knight a nerd.

>>12938839
He clearly has issues he needs to work out. He RAGED and started derailing/trolling the /cgl/ thread over two hours ago. Apparently he spent the past two hours raging even more, then came over to /tg/.

Gentlemen, we are up against a troll with NOLIFE.

>>12938793

>Kid I could put you through a wall.

come at me bro.

>>12938887
I don't now if I'd call him a troll. You have to actually upset people to be one of those. I just feel kind of bad for him, that he has to pretend to be a big ol' muscle man on 4chan.

>>12938879
Things is the neckbeards are over at /v/, /tg/ is compromised of mostly the classical "skinny nerd" or pretty normal looking or even fit people.

>>12938843
Quick search of the archives and it seems that low-level trolling is all that Hobbes does.

>>12938793
"beta"?
what the hell are you, a 15 year old with too much testosterone?

Grow the fuck up, you sad little prick.


----

andyhow, for OP, a few more options and thoughts.

details, details, details.

belt buckles always look modern, so $5 will get you a period buckle that looks old-fashioned.

try the following:

http://armourandcastings.com/index.php

look for their "castings" and then buckles.

or for more expensive:

http://www.billyandcharlie.com/belt.html

for shirt/doublet buttons, an old fashioned tudor ball button looks great. but costs a bomb.... except for here (bottom of the page)

http://www.twojs.me.uk/miscellaneous.htm

the spoons, combs, and similar bits of stuff from them are good too. and little details like the bone dice might make a character. Can reccommend two J's, they're good chaps.

>>12938906
Why don't you post of pic of you in one of your costumes so that we can see how cool you are?

wait, don't chase him away. After what he said I seriously want to fight whit him if he has the guts to come here where I live

>>12938689

I'm sorry. Are you actually trying to troll here? Cause if that's the best trolling /cgl/ has to offer, you need more time in /b/ practicing.

>>12938923
Bro, you do realise that the chance of that happening is like a billion to one, right?

>mfw this is the hardest trolling this Hobbes guy has.

We've heard it all before, Champ. If you think calling us fat is enough to even cause a trickle of anger in our jaded fa/tg/uy bodies you are sorely mistaken.

May I suggest getting out of /tg/, and from the looks of the thread you posted nobody on /cgl/ wants you either. Have you tried /b/?

>>12938941

Yes. But still I could hope. After all i live in a fantasy world. Or something like that

>>12938923
he'd only shoult loudly on the internet.

and then make excuses if you turned out to be local.

good luck though. I would, but the sort of martial arts I know would leave them dead in 5 seconds, and they're not worth it,

/cgl/-er here

hobbes doesn't cosplay. he just trolls /cgl/ because they have even less mods than /tg/ does, and since many seagulls are insecure girls, they are vulnerable to the crap he spouts. it's like some weird symbiosis.

>>12938954
Saying "you mad" a bunch isn't going to make us mad, weeaboo.

>>12938954

what right here? I said come at me. You are the one who is stateing that can put me through the wall. Some come here where I live and try to put me through the wall. Who knows maybe you will be successfull or something :)
So don't be afraid!

>>12938954
>Posting a random pic from /fit/
>Expecting anyone to care

The swedish monarch is amused by your poor trolling skills young padawan.

>I'm a 19 year old built college athlete thats an adrenaline junky

Sure thing, Hobbes.

>>12938954
-_- im so scared
troll harder

>>12938964
aw, why so timid? :3
>>12938970
Dude, that is such a pathetic attempt at getting me to dress up and play WoW in real life with you.

>>12938980
i remember him saying something about running an 8 minute mile.

>>12938986
>Uses emoticons

Confirmed for weeaboo.

Hahaha, ah, what is this nonsense. This guy may be the most pathetic poster I've seen on 4chan.

>>12938993
That's pretty sad.

>>12938986

well... You started the pathetic thing, I just helped a little for you.

But don't worry! We know how uncomfortable is to move out of the basement, so we won't force you to do so

Someone post the butter doppel copypasta.

>>12938986
C'mon go to his house, drive him to a wall show us pics then will believe all of your claims Oh great superior one

If you have a reasonable amount of cash and historical interest, you can't go wrong with Tod's Stuff and his related sites:

http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/
http://www.traditionalmaterials.co.uk/html/main.php

Lots of useful little things.

I wonder, does this "hobbes" tosser realise we're laughing *at* him?

OP, I apologise, we've got a live one here, your thread may get derailed for a few hours till he crawls off to cry in a corner and fantasise about how "alpha male" he is...
That, or he's just trying to show off his freshly waxed cest in the hopes he'll find a new boyfriend.

>>12939017
I cant if he doesnt give me his address.

>>12939024
Todstuff is absolutely fucking amazing quality - but I'd guess for a larper, its bordering on utter overkill... his stuff is hardcore reenactor-porn which most reenactors only can lust over owning.

its damn good, but not cheap at all.

Tod's a nice guy though. I've talked with him a good few times.

>>12939015
>Run 800 metres
>Walk another 800 metres

The shouldn't take 8 minutes to start with, unless you are a really big hambeast that is.

>>12939015
>pretend profession is saving a ugly skinnyfat girl in the park
lol, what the fuck does that even mean?

>>12939015
Coming from the guy who does nothing but sit on 4chan and try to troll others, but ends up failing to and instead crys himself to sleep amongst the posters of BIG MANLY MUSCLE MEN that he wishes he was

>>12938986

Here, Hobbes. These are LARPers. Troll better when you learn the material- you're Magikarp-tier right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGjex6qDtM

>>12939027
Do what? throw toilet paper at his house or order a pizza using his address? what do you kids do now a days?

>>12939027
>cant

Hey dumb fuck, you're missing an apostrophe there. How about you try trolling again when you learn proper english?

>>12939061
>your instead of you're

Confirmed for middle school.

>>12939045
>lol, what the fuck does that even mean?

it means "I'm a pethetic little child, screaming incoherently at the internet in the deluded idea that people will gasp as my awesome manliness and incredible intellect"

I can just see this poor little tosser actually thinking he's some kind of trolling god, and that his withering put-downs are making us all sob in shame at how much more of a manly man he is......

Who the hell uses the word bird chest ?
hipster faggot

Hobbes is a known bug chaser btw /tg/

>>12939053
IDK man, some german kid flew to a different country just to murder some kid over a game of advanced wars... thats right a fucking handheld video game... not even a real video game.

but in all honesty i think the best 4chan can muster these day is probably fedexing somone a box of human feces.

this guy is a fucking disgrace to trolling

as someone who trolls /tg/ regularly I'm seriously offended by how bad his trolling is

>>12939076
Goose chested is an actual medical defect. Your chest will be narrow and protruding. It's actually quite fascinating to see.

>>12939076
It's even more fun when you think about the fact that birds use their pectorals to flap their wings, meaning they are indeed quite muscular.

>>12939079


WAIT! Mr. Weeaboo troll! don't retreat! You doesn't even answeared me. I know I took a little break to go and fap to hentai but still. Please come back and answer me! So will you come to me to fight or you are to afraid?
No, not from me of course, we know that you can put me trought the wall. You just afraid to come out of your mothers basement. But that's ok, I live in a basement too!
Please come back, we are lonely without you!

>>12939079
Jesus Christ I lol'd. To use your own terms, you sir have just shown that you are indeed "Beta as fuck". Congratulations on being the worst troll on 4chan.

>Run 800 metres
>Walk another 800 metres

>The shouldn't take 8 minutes to start with,
>Walking 800m at 7 kph: 6:51 alone
>Have to break the sprint world record several times over in the 69 seconds remaining for the next 800m

I have no idea what this thread is on about, but couldn't help noticing the bullshit going on.

>>12939061

You do realize Role Models was LARPers making fun of the worst sterotypes ever? We sit there and laugh our asses off at the parodys of WORST LARPERS EVER that the movie is full of.

It'd be like seeing this pic and thinking you understood all of /cgl/. Know your subject, Hobbes. Learn it and you might actually succeed at trolling someday.

>>12939061

If anything, Role Models made LARPing look more attractive and fun.

Besides, most of /tg/ doesn't even LARP. Hobbes needs to do his homework before trolling.

I think this picture accurately describes Hobbes' role in this thread.

Hobbes are you trying to to insult us or are you just reciting your girlfriend's suicide note? it getting hard to tell man

>>12939079
>>12939079
>>12939079
>Confirmed Faggot
even the most narcissistic guys (they really look good T_T) I know does this kind of crap...flexing for 10 mins while thinking of trolling...pathetic man

>>12939038
>Tod's a nice guy though. I've talked with him a good few times.

Same here, I don't own any of his more expensive things but I love and own many of his small its like bobbins/needle&pin case, small shears and so on (I do a lot of tailoring), hemp rope and hand-forged nails from the traditional materials side. It smells funny but damn its always useful to have rope. Its the little things where that kind of quality makes the difference.

And thinking of little things:
Gothic Green Oak, another good place to buy things from, in this case; games. If unsure just get his handy bag of games. Always good to have something you can do in downtime, or use for gambling.

http://www.gothicgreenoak.co.uk/games.html

>>12939109
beta as fuck?

this sadcase does'nt even get into Gamma as fuck.

>>12939079

Translation:

>I can't troll you guys for shit. None of you guys are taking my troll bait ;_; I'm leaving now but pretending that I've still won by declaring that I am bored and have better things to do (troll on another board).

Yea OK Hobbes we'll be here if you want to try again, I kind of pity you, so as a tip for next time I recommend bringing up elves or katanas.

>>12938067
>>12939115
>>12939119
yeah, we should just ignore him, he's just an asshole with too much time on his hands...but DAMN, ever since i saw role models i wanna LARP as a member of the NATION OF KISS someday, that would just be too awesome...though i guess a lot of players would believe it to be an attempt at trolling...

Remember kids when trying to defend from a troll
Roll up then beta up

Here is his claim to victory:

>>>/cgl/3830261

>>12939110
I run one km in less then 3 minutes, 800 metres would leave me with more then 5 minutes to walk the remaining 800, which is no impossible if you don't move like a slug.

>>12939129
thanks for the link there - that one will be useful for myself. need some games for feast events...
(16th C reenactment)

someday, I'll have to get one of Tod's crossbows...

till then, well, lets just say I use the same suppliers as he does for swords and the likes as a cutler myself. :)

have a pic of the next project I'm going to have to do for myself.

Anyway, a good question unasked is:

Where is OP from?

Importing stuff from Europe can get pricy for a guy making stuff on the cheap so he can afford a decent latex sword.

The good news is, a lot of the stuff sold for 1700's era or even US Civil War re-enactors can do nicely if you want similar stuff without going overseas. The market for that sorta thing is much broader than the LARPer one, but you can still pick up small stuff that works fine. Clay pipes, buckles, stuff like that.

>>12939175
I call bullshit. You'd be on Olympic gold levels if you could do that. Which you just might, but that doesn't mean everyone can.

>>12939183
>have a pic of the next project I'm going to have to do for myself.
>over 9000 rivets

Good luck with ye wrists for that, I'll just stick to tailoring, with the occasional foray into jack making and hafting polearm heads.

>>12939193
import costs for small bits like buckles are generally not much more than national shipping. I'd strongly reccommend the guys in the ukraine for stuff - armour and castings' products are great value and delivery's fast.

oh, and one larp supplier is a scots company:

http://www.skianmhor.co.uk/

good quality weapons, if you want to hit people with foam rubber, not metal.

>>12939164

oh thank you now maybe i can arrange that fight with him

>>12939230
What? You have to be bullshitting me, when I played hockey as a kid we were required to run 3 kms in less then 12 minutes that makes it 4 minutes a km, it was hard, but still we were like 13-14 years old, hardly as fast as a fit adult.

'Sup /tg/, just here to say that we at /cgl/ hate hobbes, too. We only let go of his leash for like three seconds before he was off to shit all over you guys' front yard. Sorry. Hopefully it won't happen again.
He's not really a weeaboo though, just a faggot who trolls us because /fit/ scares him too much to post there.

>>12939240
>>over 9000 rivets

quite literally, yes.

my estimate on the pattern for it is 9,100 rivets.

thank god for a whitney punch....
I'm seriously contemplating getting a custom order of 10,000 annealed bronze nails for it, just because it'll be less effort to pein over the nails that way.

I must be insane. not least as I already have a 15th C brig, and that was hell enough. pic related, but not my one. that's blue.

>>12939262
No worries man, here at /tg/ we understand that sometimes while the rest of the kids are off socializing, learning how to interact with each other. There is that one kid thats off with his Gym Teacher playing "How many fingers can the gym teacher get inside this retarded child".

and sometimes... just sometimes... that kid manages to avoid killing himself out of shame long enough to acquire internet access.

It happens man.

>>12939337
Wow, way to make a totally unnecessary reference to child abuse.

"You're an idiot, you must have been abused as a child!"

Trashy leather armor done right:
http://sebbal.deviantart.com/gallery/870624

>>12939175
>more then 5 minutes to walk the remaining 800, which is no impossible if you don't move like a slug.
That would require you to walk at about 9.5 kph, which is kinda impossible unless you're a trained racewalker (Yeah, that sport actually exists and it's crazy).

I actually did that experiment when I was an undergrad - Take 30 people, put them on treadmills, increase from 5 kph to 15kph, see when they stop walking (where both feet are off the ground at the same time) - Even the trained athletes among the subjects (had one girl who used to run marathons) didn't manage to walk past 9 kph. This was for people in running shoes wearing shorts with no air resistance.

And it turned out that leg length, not fitness, was the deciding factor - some really chubby people at 1m leg length managed to maintain walks longer than athletic people at .8 m leg length.

Actually one could go into a lengthy discussion why walking vs running is more efficient at different speeds and how the human brain determines which mode of locomotion to use, but tl;dr: Unless you're a trained racewalker, you're not going to walk faster than 8-9 kph, even if you're tall, in sportswear and on a treadmill. You're welcome to head to the gym and try it if you like.

>>12939230
a 3 min km is a 5 minute mile

hardly unattainable. i used to run a 5:09 and failed to qualify for varsity x-country.

>>12939274
Brigandines, the most classy of plate armours.
And yes, you quite probably are insane, but its the same kind of insane that leads to people building scale replicas of the Enterprise and other such endeavors. So I approve.

>>12939262
>implying /tg/ can be trolled

>>12938840

no, it's just our resident asshole. He got loose, we apologize.

Don't think he represents us.

pics of hot female larpers please

>>12939409

No worries. This is /tg/. We really DO have trolls here, imitations rarely make any serious impression.

>>12939434

well, not really hot, but she has a platemail bikini!

>>12939434

>>12939383
>>12939274
Dear Brigandine experts, when was this armor in use? It looks like it would be a late Middle-Age/early Renaissance armor, but at the time, most weapons would have been able to go through it. So : was the design already used in the early Middle-Age, so that we can be knightly with style?

>>12939356
5 minutes split on 800 metres is 37,5 seconds per 100 metres, that comes down to 6,25 minutes for a km, walking a km in that time doesn't seem impossible, but you seem pretty sure about what you are talking about, I'll try it the next time Im out running.

>>12939537
My god, even the teeth are dressing up for medieval times

>>12939544
Define most weapons.

Nothing gets through a brigandine or plate armor really, except guns , two handed warhammers (pick side) and intense crossbows.

>>12939564

and even guns are not a sure thing. But it really depends the quality of the armor and the gun

>>12939564
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, brigandine is a soft armor strengthened by loads of rivets or other kinds of small armor plates. As such, it would be very hard for a slahing weapon to penetrate it, but quite easy for a piercing weapon to do so.
To specifiy, I thought about guns, crossbows and those fencing swords used in duel, which name I don't know how to translate.

>>12939641

Rapiers, you probably mean.

>>12939641

Its actually very solid armour. Soft does not come into it. Inside of a brigandine is a ton of metal plates, riveted to an outer shell of fabric or leather.
Image very related.

>>12939647
It would be this. Didn't thought it would be so alike.

>>12939641

thats why the pieces is overlapping. But if the rivets come loose from unproper maintaining or from great force....

>>12939552
Please do - Of course it's not impossible to walk at such speeds, Olympic race walkers can reach 15 kph, but most people overestimate how fast they can walk - Hell, I'm pretty tall, I thought I could easily go up to 9 kph (I mean 6 kph is a comfortable walk, how hard can it be to go 9?) but had to break into a jog for anything past 8.5.

Just for the hell of it I dug up my old files - Turns out that leg length is even more siginificant than I remembered: On average a person with 80 cm legs (measured from the tip of the femur to the heels) started to jog at 6.1 kph, a tall guy with 102 cm legs made it up to 9 kph before he started to jog at 9.5.

See the attached image for the underlying mechanism - Walking becomes extremely inefficient past 8-9 kph, and a racewalker at 15kph will have a power output like a runner at 30 kph.

</mednerd>

>>12939670
>But if the rivets come loose from unproper maintaining or from great force...

Which is why it seems threes at least 3 rivets to every attachment point on a plate, or just an absolute ton of rivets across each plate. In general that is, exceptions and variations in quality exist of course.

>>12939661

Is there a reason for brigantines come with red cloths most of the time? Maybe because the blood is red too or something?

>>12939661
Oh. Didn't think it looked like this. Still somewhat easy to go through with a short, piercing weapon, but getting close enough would be another story... Thanks for the clarification anyway.

Make it asymmetrical. Make on shoulder (The one that's towards your enemy when you're aiming your bow) more heavily armoured than the other.
Looks awesome, and saves resources if done right.

>>12939704
Made me think about this :
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BringMyRedJacket

>>12939682
You are probably right, but it'll be a fun interuption in anotherwise boring run I guess, thanks for a interesting discussion fellow gentleman, let's leave this thread for our LARPing brother now shall we?

>>12939434
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11191414/

Pick what you want.

>>12939713
Ah, Guild Wars.

I love that game.

>>12939707
>Still somewhat easy to go through with a short, piercing weapon

Well no, not really, with the plates being steel and overlapping so there's no real weak points, as with any good armour its far better to go around than try and go through.

Think of it as an alternative to a breast&back plate and you'd be on the right track.

>>12939713
If I was fighting you, I'd stab in the unprotected bits.
(It's a given that good LARPs have location-based hitpoints and a stab in the pink bypasses armor)

>>12939713
Don´t do it. You will raise the arm that is in direction to your enemy while shooting. Better keep your arm armour light, because you´ll keep it up a while.

>>12939775
>>12939774
Of course, the image is exaggerated. It's a vidya game.
If you were to actually do it you'd of course not have a huge raised plate in front of your face.

>>12939758
Holy shit, in thumbnail, it looks like this guy has a birds head...
Or maybe I'm just a bit too tired.

>>12939544
>Dear Brigandine experts, when was this armor in use? It looks like it would be a late Middle-Age/early Renaissance armor, but at the time, most weapons would have been able to go through it. So : was the design already used in the early Middle-Age, so that we can be knightly with style?

brigandines evolved from around the late 1350's, all the way to the late 1580's or so.

they're remarkably effective, and very tough. good mobility - better than plate - and weight distribution and comfort is better than solid plate too.

it's overlapping thin plates, so you almost have them like scales. the thinner scales allow it to be pretty light, but still good defence, and the overlaps mean there's no gaps. its hard, rigid but enough movement to allow twisting, the scales are riveted in usually with 2 sets of 3 pins on 15th C, and 5 in a row on 16th C ones, so its very hard to tear a plate free. even if it does, you still have one layer of plate in place, no gaps, and you have to break all the points to do so. as the scales are on the inside, it also means no failed point is exposed easily.
they started off with coats of plates around the 1330's or so, which had evlved to the corrazina in the 1390's.
(pictured), and that in turn to the 15th C brig.

>>12939894
here's what the brig evolved from, the coat of plates, this one from the 1360's - originally, it would've had a fabric outer with smallish plates covering the waist etc.

as with many 15th C brigs, it has a solid breast plate area. the plates themselves would've been butted next to each other - tiny gaps which were solved by making plates overlap.

this illustration should show the construction quite well, too, for into the 15th C.

red was populat, but they were used by all social classes, with everything from plain wool outers, to damask silks. there's records of nobles wanting the best silks to "cover their new brygandyn", and it really was a garment all classes could use.

the french and scots in particular preferred brigandines over plate, it seems, too.

into the early 16th C, it seems the lung-plates were abandoned in favour of more smaller plates. creating brigandine like this one from about 1510...

which in turn followed into the mid 16th C where they began to echo civillian fashions in the detailing and design....

there seems to have been a transition point around 1550, however, where they stopped riveting plates, and instead, sewed them in, using a pattern of small hexagon-shaped plates with one hole in the middle, often made by cutting up old brigandines.

this sewn technique forms the basis of the "jack of plates" of the later 16th C, as this example shows.


if you look just right and down from the sword cross, you might be able to see a small hole - a bullet mark where this jack was shot with a pistol ball, and was able to resist failing.

the brig, like plate armour, faded as firearms became more powerful in the closing years of the 16th C, and into the 17th C they were abandoned. its successor was the buff coat, a 8-10mm thick oil-tanned leather coat, which gave some protection, and could be added to with a breast in some cases.
there you go, a potted history of the brigandine.

>>12940067
Thinking of jacks, though not ones with plate in.

Excellent starter armour for late medieval, can be made in a variety of ways, but its a very simple but effective armour (especially against blunt re-enactment or larp weaponry) as it mainly takes the force out of blows, and if made to historical standards, able to protect quite well against sharp weapons. Well, they're good against hits that are not 'good' hits, stopping that sword grazing across an arm from cutting right into it, or from that arrow penetrating to vital organs for instance. Kinda a keep you alive, though not necessarily alive and fighting thing. Needs addition (metal) armour to be truly effective against determined blows.

But as its just cloth, it can be made by pretty much anyone who can sew/has a sewing machine and basic tailoring skills, the kind most parents seem to pick up making costumes for their kids works. A good tailor with good materials can make one that'll last years of heavy larp/re-enactment/sca combat whilst fitting comfortably and not pulling anywhere.

>>12940130
got to agree there.
aketons/gambesons/padded jacks/textiles are increadibly simple to make - you can do a good one in a day, really.

use a nice tough canvas for most of it, padding was cotton batting -you can use cotton wool balls, if you like now, or thin toweling works for some types.

you can even make them tougher by putting "points" - cords on the shoulders and elbow, and attaching Jack Chains, like these, to protect arms.

>>12940161

I believe the cotton batting used actually referred to unprocessed wool rather than actual cotton for the most part. Though I could be misinterpreting.

Shredded blanket is something I've seen make stupidly tough jacks of late, with inner and outer layers of tough canvas/linen and instead of seam lines or tubes, thick linen thread used for single stitches on the corners of a grid to hold chunks in place. Looks somewhat like the one you posted but more chunky.

Anyway, a really good one won't just be a stuffed shell, but a load of layers of linen, possibly with batting between layers for padding, quilted together.
Arms that attach separately are a popular option, though I prefer arms attached with deep shoulder holes myself (guy at the front in the image has this). That or just a typical doublet design works well.

>>12940300
I've never seen any evidence for historical seperate-arms-lashed-on jacks. I strongly suspect it's one of those infectious reenactorisms.

http://www.armourarchive.org/

all the patterns you could ever need

>>12940362

There's a brig in the posession of...Maximilian I., I think, which did have seperate arms. And it's not like separate arms were the norm for armour or anything and even part of fashion at some point...

I just leave this here

>>12940389
I said jacks, as in padded ones. Not the ones with plates in.

If you've got any evidence for the detachable sleeve gambeson before, say, 1970AD, please share.

>>12940362
You are quite probably correct. Its a very noticeable trend if you know how armour works and is worn, going to extremes where there's guys out there wearing arms and legs that should be on a suit of plate but only wearing a light jack for torso protection.
For those that do not know, a far more correct way of protecting arms would be the so-called jack chains (possible historical name of 'splints'), or just wearing some decent torso armour like a mail shirt, or bits of a mail shirt (see image) and some plate and then having whatever on the arms.
When it comes to armour, torso and head first, then arms, then legs. Legs are last due to it being damned annoying to wear a load of extra weight on them. Its worth it, but from what I can tell its mostly restricted to those that ride to battle (if not fight mounted) and those that own full suits of armour. Sometimes just the knees are armoured (lots of archers in images of the 100 years war for instance), or the upper legs (typically with long riding boots, so back to the horse owning classes).

>>12940385
Best to visit the forums here as well, patterns are only a tiny fraction of whats needed in knowledge for creating working armour after all, even if its a fantasy piece. Damn good forums they are too.

Well, I got back and my "pet troll" got out of the cage. What a fucktard. Ah well.

Thanks everyone who posted ideas/links, some great stuff I'm seeing here. What can I say, /tg/ gets shit done.

>>12939193
I'm in Maine. I know some reenactors that cover ~1700, so I'll probably see if I can get anything good/cheap there. While I'm wiping drool off my keyboard from some of the euro sites, they're sadly way out of my price range.

>>12940578
the troll has been hunted down, awesome armor pics and text with it and lots of idea. All in one days work.

>>12940623
>why I love /tg/

Not sure how historically accurate this is, but in Bernard Cornwell's Saxonnovels the main character talks about wearing reinforced boots, because in the shield wall it's a common trick to stab under the shield at the feet...

>>12940667

A lot ofcorpse was found in different places and from different ages from big battles with leg wound.
I don1t know why was this, I mean there could be several reasons for it, but thats a fact

>>12940389
>There's a brig in the posession of...Maximilian I., I think, which did have seperate arms

there's a significant difference between brigs, and jacks, when it comes to arms. jacks can curve and fold, where brigs dont. brigandine arms did exist (and cuisses) but they were mostly based on the pauldron/spaulder structures, not the sleeve style of jacks.

in the case of shoulder and then rerebrace, the armpit is open as it is in many maille garments, and almost all plate types except some ultra-high-end stuff.

here's an illustration of brig shoulders from ffoulkes' I think.

and fo anyone making this stuff, I really, strongly reccommend the Armour Archives. they're welcoming to anyone who's not an arsehole, be it for history, fantasy, larp or reenactment. SCA'ers are the majority, but the rest are well represented.

>>12940711

I can tell you from LARPing enough with a mucking great shield that yes- leg shots are common. And smart.

Even if you don't kill someone, putting them down on the ground and keeping them there is often good enough. They can't keep up with the fight's movement, attacking is awkward, and most people will turtle up behind a shield and pray they aren't trampled or worse.

And feet are often the one part that's exposed- and delicate. You've gotta lift that shield a little bit, and that's the first part that shows under it.

>>12940711
a large proportion of viking, and the Wisby seige bodies were leg injuries. its not so common in later period.

its simply down to the shield used at that time, and combat. its a good method of downing a target, but its also a risk as you expose yourself in the process to hit the legs.

but if you're outnumbering a defender, then its the best way to take them down to a position where they can be disarmed

all part of the classic arms race of weapons vs defence.

>>12940784
remember though that most larps dont allow headshots, so its much easier to take your weapon away from your chest/neck/head areas to make an attack, knowing the head is safe, than when some fucker's likely to try to stab a sword through your face when the opening appears....

>>12940762

You know, it was in one of the books I'Ve scanned for /k/, some german book about armour. I distinctively remember it because the brigs sleeves were cut like sleeves. They lacked a pauldron. They looked like japanese Kote.

>>12940852
would certainly appreciate a link to a upload of the book or a scan if you could, my good anon...

sounds curious, not one I've seen before.

>>12940829
Now that's FULL plate. Even the joints are covered...

>>12940829

Also true. Fucks with some SCAdians when they start to cross-play in LARPs. They can't hit below the knee, we can't headshot legally.

>>12940890

Gha, I honestly can't remenber. Ask KM on /k/. He's got a folder of all /k/-related uploads concerning anicent arms, including mine. I think the title was (German name) something.

>>12941060
stants to reason that KM would have it. the man's a walking reference library.

we'll have to start an argument about Wootz and Damascus, to summon him.

me, I'm just finishing the detailing on the waxes for a hilt from the V&A museum that he image-dumped last month...

should be a nice one once the waxes are cast up in carbon steel...

http://www.bladeturner.com/index.html

I'll just leave this here.

and remember, other peoples patterns are just a rough guideline, skew, customise and otherwise defile them to your hearts content to get the perfect fit/look.