>After spending a day of R&R in Von Braun, the city you helped save from thermonuclear devestation, you're now back aboard Char Aznables Falmel as he takes you back to Pezun.

Fixed.

Oh god Man Flu will be the end of me.

Anyway, if there's anything you want to do in the general moon area before you leave, now is the time to say it.

fuck yeah, zeon quest. been a long time lurker. keep up the awesomness.

>anything you want to do in the general moon area before you leave

Buy an Acguy.

yay! zeonquest!

I just spent the better part of the week reading through the archived threads. Been waiting for the new thread all day.

We got that Acguy Doll for Nell, already.

Weren't we supposed to get some kind of tacky souvenirs or something for Hovis and Calvin, preferably something that can be hanged inside a Mobile Armor's cockpit, like a pair of fuzzy Moon dice or something?

>>13101232

Yeah, I think we were.

Doesn't seem like there's much else for us to do here though.

>>13101232

How about a pair of miniature heat hawks?

Ask char where we could find some new MS to field test... our natch-zaku doesn't cut it anymore (sadly)

>>13101194
Maybe we should do one final attempt to visit Nell with Jolyne before we leave, The seemed to hit it of and it always court to make proper goodbyes.

I mean, Nell will be staying here, Right?

Or have i become confused?

>>13101244

we could always see about any upgrades we could do to it when we get back to pezun. At this point there's gotta be some bleeding-edge shit we can cram into it.

>>13101255
I thought Nell was going back to the Flanagan Institute via Grenada.

>>13101264

You do remember that you can outfit the Nacht with Gelgoog style beam rifles and beam sabers now right? Plus, what more do you actually want? Psychommu guided systems are still tempermental and oversized right now, that's pretty much the only tech you COULD have added that you don't already have.

>>13101244
Are you kidding? The Nacht Zaku is an amazing hybrid of UMP efficiency and customized to the limit by now. We could easily go the rest of the war with it. About the only thing I could ask for is a Jaeger-style beam machinegun at this point.

>>13101281

Nell is already back at the Flanagan institute. Ithought you were either going to mail the doll to her, or perhaps save it for if you meet again?

Alternatively you could have Char do one last stop at the institute, but that seems like a fairly big diversion just to drop of a stuffed toy.
That and he'll start perving over underage indian girls and by the time you drag him off you'll have lost a day.

>>13101283
Well, we don't have 880mm bazookas. But I suppose that's nitpicking.

Let's ask Char what he thinks the best course of action for Zeon would be. Does he think we can still win the war (If he does, he's Gihren-level crazy), and if so then how? What does he think the best thing to do would be to ensure that Zeon gets some good terms if we negotiate a peace treaty with the Federation?Does he think a final attack at Jaburo or Luna 2 is viable? What about the idea to refit the Elemeth bits as stealthy cameras to view Luna 2s defenses?

>>13101299

You could have one of those if you want, but it might be a little taxing on even your improved powerplant.
Plus it's a little bulky for a Zaku sized Mobile Suit as opposed to a Gelgoog.
Still, something to consider eh?

>>13101283

I was thinking more along the lines of improved reactors and maneuvering capability, though I realize we're pretty top end in those areas as is.

though a beam machine gun would be fifteen kinds of kickass.

>>13101303
I think mailing the doll to Nell should be fine.

Also, should we go for a beam machine-gun, or a beam rifle? We're already using a beam carbine, though.

Maybe a backup beam saber will be useful to David.

Have we met Lt. Quattro yet? He's a pretty decent pilot.

>>13101322
The Zaku already carries two. And so far, the carbine, while a bit underpowered, is generally the best weapon for close-in assaults. It complements the heat rods, sabers, and knives we're equipped with when something the size of the Gelgoog rifle would just get in the way.

>>13101326

There's no such thing as Lt Quattro.

...yet

>>13101303
Well, If we went to Flannagan i have a feeling we would lose more then a day, I mean if our letter delivering causes usually causes at least one National Crisis then imagine what a toy delivery would do.

>>13101299
Indeed, Nacht-Zaku is insanely high end and seems to be the closest thing to a Newtype unit we can use right now, And there are aces other then us in Zeon too.

>>13101304
I am fully in support in suggesting to use Newtype units with funnels to gain a supportive role rather then a combat role.

After all while a Newtype can devastate the battlefield with Weaponized bits/funnels, a Newtype that can actually use the system is way to valuable to make a priority target in that way. Meanwhile intelligence is invaluable in a Minovski dense area.

It is a win-win situation, We gain a secure way to quickly gather intelligence in Minoski dense areas and we keep our Newtypes in a safe yet valuable position that only they can fulfill.

>>13101339

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the gelgoog Beam rifle is the one that looks like a MG42, yeah?

Can we pickup a Gyan Marine Shield for Bernie and have it modified to fire chaff and smoke grenades? If it gets in the way because of needing the hand we could just have it attached to his suits forearm like some shields are.

>>13101368
I'm also supporting putting the Elmeth into a recon/sniper role, whose purpose is to get long-range recon data and to cripple and mission-kill capital ships.

So, pop the toy in the mail, get back to Pezun then?

>>13101429

Yeah.

>>13101429
Pop the toy in the mail, make sure to buy souvenirs for everyone (Hovis, Calvin, the OH crew, and maybe some liquor from Zol's family's bar if we can buy some for the Dragoons), then we can leave for Pezun.

Oh, and a quick look through Von Braun news to see what way the winds are going, towards the Legitimacy, or if they're still staunchly neutral, and how they feel about the Loyalists now.

After boxing the stuffed Acguy up and sending off to in the post. You signal the Falmel that you're ready to go home at last.

The ship leaves Von Braun with no problems and embarks towards the research asteroid of Pezun.

On the way you talk to Captain Char about the progress of the war.

"How do you rate our chances now?" You ask.

"Now that the federation has Mobile Suits, and more than that, their mass production facilities are beginning to return to the juggernauts that they once were before the one week war, I can't say I'm optimistic. The civil war has only complicated matters futher, hopefully with his true nature exposed his faction will collapse and reform with the rest of Zeon. Even then however, the time for a true total victory against the Federation has already passed. Perhaps if we had been successful in taking Jaburo in that first assault the snakes head could have been cut off. But now, that snake is a Hydra, with their central command structure split between several bases including Dublin, Torrington and Madras. Victory now would be a ceasefire on favourable terms, and every day that passes reduces the chances of the Federation being willing to come to the table. The politicos who hide behind the Federal Armed Forces sense blood in the water, and I fear for all of Zeon."

"So, is there any chance?"

"There's always a chance, we just have to show them that there are still tricks up Zeons sleeves, and not to underestimate us. One great victory could do that, and I fear will will have more than our share of desperate battles in the near future to try and find that victory."

Well, that was a sobering discussion.

tell you what we're not going to do. we're not going to drop anymore shit on earth.

>>13101524
>That pic
What the AcguAAAAAGGHHHG!!

>>13101383
Thirding.

Does anyone think that plan to force the Jaburo orbital garrison to deploy beam chaff then hit them with a storm of KKV's could work?

>>13101570

I thought the Antarctica treaty prevented using that kind of weaponry? or is that just in regards to orbital bombardment of earth-based targets?

Cos we could totally build a .10c railgun or something. all the tech for it exists. though idk if apologized wants us to get that far off cannon in terms of tech.

You arrive back at Pezun at roughly 6 in the afternoon. The journey was a quick one due to Char's fast ship, and his first priority in terms of space traffic.
Rank certainly has it's privileges, although you seem to have spent all of your rank based privilege on pimping out your Zaku.

When the ship has finally docked and the umbelical corridor is extended you are greeted by the rest of your team and a small crowd of familiar faces in jubliant affair.
It seems they heard about your adventures in Von Braun.

"Well done Commander!" Strauss heartilly greets you as he slaps you on the back.
"You too Zolomon! Way to finally pull through."

After greeting everyone the crowd drifts towards the ship docks, and you try to get a status report from Mauser who came up to meet you.
"What's the Outer Heaven looking like?" you ask.
"She's basically finished, we're going to do the shakedown cruise tommorow morning. So far everything seems green and we've got no problems or niggles. Had a bit of trouble with the number 4 ventral thruster, but we locked that down day before yesterday."

"And the rest of the team?"

"Well, they've been getting plenty of practice schooling up and coming special units who think they're hot shit, and then trading war stories in the bar. I've got a full report in your in-tray, but there's nothing vital you need to know or act on."

Well, it seems that everything has managed not to go to hell whilst you were gone.

>>13101611
>I thought the Antarctica treaty prevented using that kind of weaponry?

IT DOES.

As for the railgun in space idea. We tried that already. It was called Operation Casino and it stopped round about the time the feds blew it up around Feb-March.

The only real way to reach a stalemate would be that when they decide to attack in space we have enough funnel units that the manpower side doesn't matter anymore. The problem with that is that newtype are hard rare. On the bright side as long as the units controlling the funnel aren't destroyed we don't lose pilots while the feds do.

>>13101638
That and psycommu is gorram expensive and finicky. Cost-efficiency is key.

>>13101611
The Antarctica treaty prohibits Colony drops. Zeon used a railgun to bombard targets on Earth just before the Earth Assault drops. Unfortunately the weapon was destroyed by cruise missiles.

I just want to take scraps from the shoal zone and cut them down in size until they're small enough for a Mobile Suit to accelerate. We then hit the ships in orbit with them.

>>13101613
Wow, I thought we still had another full week of repairs left.

>>13101676
>Wow, I thought we still had another full week of repairs left.

Well, the mission did take a fair few days to complete. Plus there was your extra R&R day.

It's not outside the realm of possiblity.
Especially if someone in Pezun was channelling Montgomery Scott at the time.

>>13101676

What about KEMs? Shit, if we could make 'em go fast enough, they woudn't have to be that big, and we could pack a HELL of a lot of them into a modified crusier platform, say.

kind of like those old WW2 rocket ships, the ones the navy used to support landings out in the pacific. only...in space. and painted green.

I'm just going to get my tea. Okay.

BRB.

>>13101710
Close enough to what I was going for sure.

>>13101657
Indeed, But since i doubt we can remove the mindset that "OMG NEWTYPES ARE NEXT STEP IN EVOLUTION!" that Zeon Development have we should atleasts try and direct them to make units in a role that doesn't cause them to get blown up and kill the pilots,And limit the number that they need to make.

... And is it just me or do all of the Zabi kids except Dozle obsess over some kind of inefficient weaponry?

Garma: Airforce units. (Inefficient since they cannot have proper development in space, we seemed to have fixed him from that though.)
Gihren: LOLSUPERWEAPONS!
Kycillia: Newtype units, Newtype Units everywhere.

>>13101710
Old Chivvays would be ideal for that. Massive cargo bays and the bow is basically made of missile tubes. It's not like they're good for anything else aside from refits at this point in the war.

>>13101735

I was kind of thinking about it, hell, you could outfit existing weapons with Rocket assisted projectiles and redesigned AP ammo. I don't know the hard information on the Gundam stuff, like muzzle velocity of a 90mm and 120mm MS MG, but I'm willing to be a 120MS MG firing APFSDS rounds would make a fucking MESS of whatever it was shooting at. Be even crazier if we could add Rocket assist to 120mm APFSDS rounds, and get what ammounts to a KEM machinegun.

Outfit cruisers with THOSE and let's see Mobile suits be a threat to ships.

>>13101763
At least we'll be able to save dozle and the big zam.

>>13101763
>except Dozle
I was about to say *COUGH*BIGZAM*COUGH* but watching the episode when it arrived convinced me otherwise. It was only AFTER he was mowing through a Federal fleet with it that he said his famous line and it's hard to argue with results.

>>13101783
We hope.

>>13101763
The Big Zam was basically Dozle's pet project though. It was quite effective, just horribly inefficient and the MP version would have sacrificed too much to be worth production of. Still, the prototype is worth keeping around as a blitzkrieg unit in the beginning of major fleet engagements, or as a final line of fortress defense like at Solomon.

And Kycilia may be heading up Flanagan, but she's prudent enough to put stock in conventional forces too, particularly ace pilots. She did create the Chimera Corps after all.

Okay, so what do we do now?

We still need to replenish our Dragoons, right? Any experimental weapon systems we should load onto the OH?
We can bring up these ideas to the Pezun R&D staff: >>13101769
>>13101777

Will we be going down to Earth again to get orders from Garma, or will we try to organize another Jaburo offensive from space?

YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE REPAIRING OUR RIDE, HOW ABOUT WE LOOK INTO SOME UPGRADES FOR THAT BITCH. SINCE OUR SUITS ARE PRETTY MUCH TOP OF THE LINE, I THINK IT'S TIME OUR SHIP GETS A PROMOTION.

>>13101860
Jaburo is more or less useless as a target now. We'd better try to take odessa back.

>>13101860
We have more experience on the ground so that's where we'll be needed most. I'm voting for a lightning deployment to Canada as soon as we return from space to kick some ass there for a week. That should cut down on our casulties in the north and buy some breathing room for the next attack on Jaburo.
The way things have been going I dont think our team will really need a lot of preparation time for the next big attack.

>>13101822
Well, Seeing how the MP version was supposed to have a friggin I-Field the survivability of a single unit would be immense, But i can´t see Zeon making more then 10 of them, 20 tops.

Fun Fact: Big Zam was actually one of the few units where the MP version is better then the Prototype.

And as far as Zeon super weapons go it is probably one of the best.

And furthermore going into the fact that Zeon was getting low the idea of making each singfle unit expensive but effective would been quite logical.

The problem Big Zam had was that it came out too late in the war to make Mass production viable... And no I-Field.

This is what remember from a old Big Zam Appreciation thread on /m/ though, So i could be wrong.

I've got to say, Jaburo is a lost cause. The Feds have a webwork over Earth by now, and attacking Jaburo, a massively well defended spot would do more harm than good. We lose dozens if not hundreds of mobile suits in an assault. Best case scenario: we destroy Jaburo completely or capture it. But then so what? They still have Odessa and a shitload more of the entire planet to fall back to.

It would be a better use of resources to hit soft targets, weaken morale, and then go for one big victory in order to bring this entire thing to the bargaining table.

Naturally, Gihren has to be taken care of first, otherwise while we're sitting down with Revil, Gihren's pointing an enormous space laser right at us.

>>13101901
You haven't been paying attention to any of the discussion over the past threads, have you? Jaburo is under-defended, with most of Earth's forces at Odessa. There are a fair number of units at the Rio Grande line, but Jaburo itself is not that well defended. We didn't even loose a hundred suits in both of the previous attacks combined. It's still a better bet than going after Odessa or Dublin which have a much heavier guard.

>>13101901

Maybe we could make use of Solar System?

>>13101890
>MP version was supposed to have a friggin I-Field

lol no. The prototype had the I-field. They were going to switch the I-field out for Anti-beam coating once they Mass-produced it

>future, syrows
You heard Captcha. We should start looking into getting Syrows.

>>13101890
I hate to break it to you man but...
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/gg/ma-09.htm

>To lower production costs, the I-field of the original was replaced with an anti-beam coating applied to the armor.

Why not try to put a strain on the FEDs resources somehow. Perhaps attacking civilian targets. Don't outright kill everyone of course, but make them flee and cause the FEDs to shelter refugess and expend resources? I'm not sure if the FEDs would actually accept refugess of course...but yeah, why not focus on resources for the time being?

>>13101946
>>13101937


Understood, My memory is a bit wonky, I admit that i am wrong.

>>13101932
That's not the point.

The point is, no matter what, Jaburo isn't worth attacking anymore.

>>13101971
We don't want to attack civilian target. We could on the other hand mount hit and run attacks on ressource production center. Not all of them can be heavily fortified.

>>13101971
We don't need bad publicity. If we start making civilians targets, that won't help Zeon when it comes to a ceasefire. We need to remove Gihren and act like the ones in charge are sensible and noble. Only that way will we get favorable or at least acceptable peace.

>>13101971

cos it'd be futile. if they manage to respond in kind, we're straight boned. AS is, we can't win, and they know that- Best we can hope for is a cease fire on good terms, and we're not gonna get that with countervalue ops.

Now, if we could get rid of or somehow otherwise invalidate their space fleet, we could bring them to the table, but at this point ground operations are a holding action, at best.

I mean, I know it's all fictional, but think real world here. They know they have us by the short hairs, and I'm sure some of them are thinking they can breach the Antarctica treaty without suffering too much damage.

We've either got to score a big win, like knocking out luna 2 or otherwise dealing with the vast majority of their space forces, and soon, or accept we're gonna get screwed. Actions on the ground might wear them down, but it'll do the same to us, and we can ill afford it, unless it's to buy time for... something to happen. Either bringing new MP capable weapons online, like beam weapons across the board, or allowing us the time to set up and execute a major fleet action.

>>13101971
>Attack civilians.

...Way to cause riots and ruin our Post-Conquest integration plan (What was it called again?).

Attacking civilians is sure to make the Feddies even more unwilling to negotiate with us and make more people hate Zeon.

And the more people who hate Zeon the fiercer they will fight.

Even if we only go for structural damages casualties is inevitable.

The " The end justify the means" mentality would just hurting us and making "The End" even harder to archive in this situation.

In order to gain what we want we need to play it cool and portray ourselves as the just side.

Public opinion is invaluable when it comes to conquest.

>>13102007
-Luna Titanium
-Tanks
-Planes
-Ships
-Weapons
-Helium 3 stockpiles
The only thing Jaburo doesnt have right now is Mobile Suit production. They still have tons of everything else. It's still the largest most valuable Federation target even after it has begun to relocate production elsewhere.

>>13102034
I agree.

Earth will belong to the Feds. We need to focus on disabling their space capabilities as much as possible.

>>13101872

This. Our ship's taken obscene levels of damage and come through multiple times where other ships of the line have turned into flaming balls of plasma.

I want to know what's worked best, which systems have proven vulnerable and could use more shielding, and if we can modernize the power systems somewhat. Goodness knows reactor technology has progressed in leaps and bounds, and we have Federation systems to look at as well.

Also, the Jupiter Ghost gave me an idea, especially when we've had discussions on the Chivvay-class.

They're designed for high-speed passes. Why not turn them into the equivalent of a space artillery unit?

A refitted Chivvay can carry 8 MS (or since 4 MS = 1 MA, 2 MA). That's a lot of space.

We could use a stand-off bombardment unit, especially if we're planning to hit any large static locations. Why not use the Chivvay?

Upgrade the missile launchers to firing even larger, "bunker-buster" weapons. Use the remaining space for a squad of 4 MS, or even an MA for additional bombardment capacity and covering the Chivvay.

Then just park them in the back and have them do their best impression of a Macross Missile Massacre.

>>13102042
Jaburo. Is. Not. Worth. Attacking.

The Feds control the majority of the Earth. Their resources are getting spread all around by now; even moreso by the time we could actually stage another Jaburo attack.

If we attacked Jaburo, yeah, we could do some damage. But that damage would be so much less than it would have been a month ago in game.

Focusing on Jaburo alone is like fending off one hungry dog attacking you, while his entire pack circles you from behind and finishes you off.

>>13102062

It's where Zeon has always been strongest- and if we control everything that tries to get out of Earth's gravity well, they can fortify Earth all they like. Space will belong to the spacenoid.

>>13101184

>Paint Mobile Suit Like Giant Terrifying Skeleton
>advicelister.jpg
>Win Hearts and Minds of Civilian Population

>>13102042
This

>>13102007
It doesn't have to be worth anything. That's not the point. We can't win this war. What we need is something that LOOKS good. Right now, they probably don't have Odessa's resource extraction machines working at full capacity. If we take out one of, indeed the biggest, manufacturing bases in the work, even though they have more now, it'll still be big. Big enough to get them to come to the negotiating tables and hopefully get favorable terms. You're thinking in terms of how to win. You need to be thinking in terms of how not to lose.

>>13102092
That's what I was thinking. We take out Gihren as soon as possible. We harass the Fed's space fleet. Make a big attack somewhere. Go to the bargaining table. Talk about how too many people have died on both sides for lost causes. Ask for peace. The Feds get Earth. Zeon gets left alone to live their life in the cold reaches of space. We just want a little space to call our own, etc.

Of course, throughout any peace, Zeon will be working on their military industry and preparing for the inevitable second war.

>>13102071
It's certainly easier then refitting the cargo bays into hangers, that's for sure. Though UC space battles almost always end up becoming gigantic furballs in the end, so it'd probably of limited use other then a siege unit against fortresses or colonies. I still say fleet carrier Chivvay refits/Tivvays are the way to go.

>>13102104
No, I'm not. A large scale bombardment of Odessa's facilities would be a cool idea depending on how highly it's defended. That's something that would help in drawing the Feds towards a truce.

Jaburo though, is an absolute waste in time and resources. Resources which Zeon is quickly running low on.

>>13102125

We could try and outfit it as kind of a AA ship, with lots of smaller scale beam weapons and other such kit, to help keep Mobile suits off other ships.

again, kind of like WW2 AA ships.

Whoever keeps thinking that attacking Jaburo is a good idea needs a god damn boot to the head. We've been over this.
> Lack of resources to commit to that kind of offensive
> Jaburo is just a cog in the Federal Forces now. We'd have to hit Dublin, etc.
> Suppose we went and did attack Jaburo? There's no way to just drop space junk on it and take it out, we'd have to land troops. Once we landed them, how would we get them back into space? The only guys who could pull this off would be a super-weapon or our elite shock troops (who have failed multiple times before). We don't have any facilities left on the planet (or at least, ones they can get to) to get them back into space where it/ they'd be needed.
> There is no chance to retake Odessa. We lost it, and now we can never get it back.

I imagine that all space vectors orbiting Odessa would be heavily patrolled and defended in order to prevent us from dropping debris over the region, correct?

>>13102132
And we've been over this. Large scale bombardment from orbit is against the Antarctic treaty. You. Can't. Do. It. Not unless you want the Feds to nuke us all. You make it sound like Jaburo is a waste. It's still far more valuable to the Feds than Odessa is. And iirc, it's still their main ship production facility. So yeah. That's pretty important, whether you think so or not.

>>13102151
Dedicated AA ships probably don't work so well in this setting due to things like MS always being two steps ahead of AA tech and battlefield saturation of Minovsky particles making high-speed tracking next to impossible. Later developments of things like dummy balloons will only make this problem worse.

UC ship design is interesting like that, since they all end up converging into the same kind of heavy cruiser/carrier hybrid class by late UC. Warships exist pretty much solely to transport and support MS on the battlefield.

>>13102186
Their main production facility is now Dublin that was covered some thread ago.

I also love how you people talk about how we don't have the forces to assault Jaburo without taking huge losses, but apparently similarly defended places like Dublin are fair game. Just what makes them any better for us to target, hmmm?

>>13102162
Finally someone understands. Does no one else understand economics? By now the cost/benefit ratio in attacking Jaburo is not in our favor. If we'd managed to disable it months ago in the first assault, then that would have been something immense. Zeon had forces all over the planet.

But as it stands now, Zeon is basically retreating from the Earth and forming lines in space. Assaulting Jaburo would be like attacking the East Coast of the US in the modern day. Yeah, you could do a shitload of damage. Take out New York and Philadelphia. Naval shipyards, too. But do you know what's left? The rest of the god damn country, with millions more people and thousands of nukes all over the midwest.

Now take that and expand it globally. Jaburo would be a blow to the Feds. But it wouldn't benefit us enough to do it.

>>13102210
They aren't either.

>>13102186

But if we park a blockade taskforce above it and knock down anything trying to climb out of the gravity well of earth, that invalidates the ship production. Honestly, the only thing left at jaburo worth attacking it for is the Helium 3 stockpiles, and even then, we're not going to get enough of their total fuel reserve to be worth the loss of materiel and troops assigned to such an attack.

We need to be looking at how to 1) get our groundside forces refitted and reorganized for spaceside combat, and 2) how to make a successful attack on luna 2.

>>13102238
>>13102238
>>13102238
Agreed.

>>13102122
Let me explain in simple terms why that is a bad idea. The population of the Earth and the Federation view Zeon as the aggressors. To them the timetable consists of
> Zeon declares war
> Gasses Civilians
> Drops colonies
> Murders Civilians
> Destroys colonies
> Murders Civilians
> Occupies large portions of the Earth
> Brutal occupation in some regions
> Federation counter-attacks
> Zeon gets their butts kicked and sent back into space

Do you really think "Oh boo ho hoo, we lost, but we promise to totally leave you guys alone on Earth, we'll just go do our thing out here in space" is really gonna cut it? The entire war started because of the friction caused by Earth Governance of Spacenoids. There is no way the Federation isn't going to have a LONG-TERM brutal occupation of the Zeon home colonies.

>>13102227
Then I can't help but ask why people are still suggesting that those are better targets.

We don't need to actually cripple them. We don't need to do any lasting harm. We just need to LOOK like we're powerful. The whole thing is basically a bluff, to make it look like Zeon can keep dragging the war out in a way that neither we nor the Feds want. Jaburo makes sense because it's been weakened already by previous attacks.

>>13102234
I agree, it would be superb for sieges on places like Luna II, Solomon, or naval bases like Londinion. The Federation did the same thing during Solomon and A Baoa Qu, they just used torpedo boats instead of dedicated bombardment ships. Just it wouldn't work so well in a large fleet action with no big static targets to shoot at.

Just happy to see an old warhorse like the Chivvay has quite a bit of fight left in it.

>>13102151
>>13102205

I was considering the whole "AA platform" idea too, but as you said- a ship's main "AA" is it's own suit complement, and it's guns are generally for use on hitting other ships rather than the MS flitting around like a crazed bat on meth.

We need something that can reduce emplaced defenses in the Zeonic space navy, and the Chivvay IMHO is the best design for delivering a lot of mass-based (vs energy based) firepower to target. Besides, static defenses are usually the ones best protected against beam firepower, with plenty of chaff if not outright potential beam shielding.

>>13102266
Well no matter what, a ceasefire/truce is the only option available at this time.

>>13102273
Jaburo is meaningless.

"He who holds the orbitals, wins."

If we can eliminate Federation holdings in space, and get fleets to cover the usual trajectories from dirtside, we could effectively pin the Feddies down. The problem there is manpower, so we might just have to pick one, either knock out the orbital assets or interdict the ground-to-space lanes.

And I am fully supportive of anything that makes our ship better. Shiny mobile suits don't do you any good if you run out of air and fuel because you've got nowhere to land.

>>13102273
They just kicked us off the planet. WE ARE PAST THE POINT OF BLUFFING.

Infact, we passed that point a LONG time ago. We passed it the moment three simple words were uttered.

> Zeon is exhausted.

>>13102273
Man, you're still thinking like we have major forces on Earth. We've got ground troops spread around a bit, but that's it.

Everyone else is thinking about our options left in space.

Anyway.

As you're enjoying a well deserved spot of chow in the Pezun officers mess with the rest of the team, catching up on what they were doing these last few days, when the in-station intercom crackles to life.

"Now hear this. Now hear this. As of 45 minutes ago, a massive Federation fleet consisting of over 50 warships and supporting units has been sighted by the Luna II blockage garrison. They've put out an all blankets call for reinforcements. I'd suggest all Independant unit commanders check in with their commanding officers, I think you may all be getting working orders in short order. Thank you."

You look at your food, realising that you're hopes of quiet dinner are over.
"Well, I knew things were going my way to much lately." You muse to yourself.

You finish what you can and stand up.

Alright, here's what needs to happen:

Remove Gihren from power. Hopefully we kill him, because even if he's imprisoned, he's still a fucking monster who will find a way to screw us over.

Defend Zeonic space holdings. Hold the motherfucking line.

Harass and dismantle Federation space capabilities.

Earth is lost. But if we can maintain dominance in Space, and keep the Feds from making any gains up there, then we've got something to bargain with.

>>13102162
>Whoever keeps thinking that attacking Jaburo is a good idea needs a god damn boot to the head.
Find me another target that could bring the Federation to the negotiating table. Dont say Luna 2 because that's even MORE fraught with hazard since we have about ZERO intel on the place, and on top of that we could be attacked from behind by both Fed forces at Earth and Girhen.
This speculation is getting to the point of uslessness without apologised commenting.

>>13102299
The best we'll get is a surrender that doesn't rape us in the ass. If we lose one of the Space fortresses, Zeon is finished. If things come to that we're better off signing a treaty and preventing any more pointless death.

>>13102320

Well, there again, it ties in to us getting our groundside forces up top and refit for space combat. Big bottleneck there would be fleet assets, ships and stuff- especially with that jackass causing factional problems within our forces.

and I agree with putting some new goodies on the OH. god knows it could use them.

>>13102361

Well hell. guess that pretty much solves this argument.

Only reason to try this kind of stunt would be to get attention away from an earthside launch, though. or attempt to straight up break the blockade.

If possible, why don't we capture Gihren, and then give him to the Feddies as part of a package ceasefire/ surrender with benefits deal? I'm sure they'd love to torture and execute the man responsible for the colony drops.

>>13102333
>>13102330
So far, what I've been hearing is "Jaburo sucks, attack Odessa/Dublin" I simply don't understand why those two places are any better targets than Jaburo, which has already been damaged and breached. I agree, taking out their forces in orbit IS a big deal, and is of higher priority than their production bases. I just don't understand how people can say that Jaburo is a worse target than Dublin, which is 100% intact, or Odessa which it has been said we cannot retake.

>>13102361
We either need to reinforce the blockade, or scout the orbitals to see what the Feddies are playing at. And if we DO reinforce the blockade, then somebody ELSE needs to scout the orbitals.

>It's certainly easier then refitting the cargo bays into hangers, that's for sure. Though UC space battles almost always end up becoming gigantic furballs in the end, so it'd probably of limited use other then a siege unit against fortresses or colonies. I still say fleet carrier Chivvay refits/Tivvays are the way to go.

One could just tie the missile controll system to the Zakus. The Chivas fire their payload off from a good distance, the Flippers take them over and part them up and the Zakus pick them off and guide them into the final target.

>>13102397
Oh, good idea. I'm sure he wouldn't give them intel on all of Zeon's defenses and/or technological capabilities.

That was sarcasm, by the way.

>>13102307

At best, Jaburo now would be a morale booster if seriously damaged/destroyed. It's true, the Federation has decentralized enough at this point, and the previous attempts only accelerated things to that point.

Federation space assets are far more limited and difficult to rebuild or reinforce- and to break those, we need to break Luna 2. And that takes having ships capable of pounding the base with capital-scale weaponry. Since we're not going to be firing artillery shells much in space, that means a dedicated heavy missile carrier- which a Chivvay refit would be able to manage.

>>13102361
Oh, guess the Feds are deciding for us. Time to check in with Garma.

>>13102413
A curious idea. But at the very least this involves the Zakus diving into the teeth of enemy fire, which they'd just be better off with a bazooka. Or the missile might hit them. Or the visual targeting system might not work, as those didn't really get cranking for a few more years iirc.

>>13102361
Call up Mauser and the OH, get them and our suits prepped for launch.

I suppose we won't be able to shoot a communique down to Garma about our marching orders, though they would be kind of obvious.

>>13102415
Film his execution, put it on Zeontube?

>>13102330
>Zeon is exhausted.

But think of the mineral resources we have already safely shipped. Zeon can fight for another 10 years if necessary. Mwahahaha.

>>13102361

.....aaaand the Federation forces have realized much the same thing.

Time to get our ship voidside and see what we can do to turn those capital ships into lower-case debris.

>>13102439
Always an appealing thought.
>>13102447
Just a stray thought, it's not like we have time for it right now, but I'd really feel better about the whole thing if Garma was a bit safer. Say, with us!

>>13102448
((Yeah that worked out real well in the original storyline didn't it?))

The point of a siege - A prolonged attack against a stronghold that takes days and possibly weeks or even months with the possibility of multiple engagements. If at all possible, you keep the pressure on. Even if it's only been a week since the last attack, the amount of damage sustained (which is a shitting fuckton by now) means they are not back up to manufacturing strength, let alone fighting strength. That amount of damage can only begin to be repaired after a week, even two. And if you want to kick the shit out of Feddy space assets, You WANT TO HIT JABURO SHIPYARDS!! Odessa is resources, Dublin is Command. Both of which are immensly useless without factories to uses the resources to build the forces to command.

You quickly make your way to the office quarters put aside for you here at Pezun. As you expected you've received a new message from Garma.
With no time to waste you play the video message.

"As by now I'm sure your aware, the Federation is mounting a major assault on the blockading garrison around Luna II. Current numbers that we've seen are around 40 Salamis Cruisers and 10 Magellan Battleships, all designed to support Mobile Suit operations. We don't have a fixed number on the Mobile Suits in play, but I fear it may be safe to assume AT LEAST 100 Mobile Suits as well a larger number of Small Mobile Armours and Space Fighters. The Garrison surrounding Luna II can, at best bring about 45 Mobile Suits, 10 Vessels and around 100 support fighters, although static defences are in play, but against those numbers... I've already sent two companies of Mobile Suits up in HLV's to meet up with transports in the orbital zone to reinforce the area, and I know brother Dozle and sister Kycillia have done the same. But even still it might not be enough, we need everybodies help with this battle, go there, and defeat the enemy."

COMMUNICATIONS FINE AND SECURE, IF YOU WANT TO SEND A RETURN MESSAGE OR OPEN A COMMUNICATIONS LINE TO GARMA, YOU CAN IF YOU WANT.

OTHERWISE, BEST GET READY.
YOUR ORDERS?

>>13102486
"Gihren must die."

>>13102437
>But at the very least this involves the Zakus diving into the teeth of enemy fire, which they'd just be better off with a bazooka.

That's what they're doing anyway. That's the point of the tactic. And all it takes to make it save is to mark a clear vector with incedentary ammunition or lasers in the visible light spectrum or something similar. The ships only fire their payload into that vector and the MS pick them up from there. Which means that any Zaku in the battle can now fire twenty missiles at once.

"Hold fast and rest easy, Lord Garma. We'll hold space if nothing else.

>>13102486
Well, no Pegasi or Trafalgars sighted so far, so that's good news. Still, that many K refits will still ruin any Zeke's day.

Better launch as soon as possible and powow with Mauser about what kind of force deposition and plan we can expect to be responding with.

>>13102542
Seconding this, Short and sweet yet reassuring.

>>13102473
Yeah, I have just been playing Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 too much, So i had to say it.

>>13102567
>playing Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2

what horrible person would inflict this upon you

>>13102542
Instead of "We will hold space" I'd prefer "We will hold the line".

Anyway, we need to see what Strauss is doing, and if we can take the Val Varo with us.

>>13102525

how would it hold up in a minovsky environment though?

>>13102634
It would depend on being able to keep a laser com network intact. It's a sound strategy, and if it was able to work in reverse could provide targeting data to Cruisers to help target beam cannon fire. That's basicly the whole point of recon Zakus.

also: shit they got alot of MS units up here. Well, let's get some kind of taskforce put together. Be nice if we had jackass' fleet assets to help. that dribbling cunt.

>>13102600

You leave a confirmation message with Garma and then call up Mauser, telling him that it looks like he'll be giving the ship a shakedown earlier than expected.

You then ask Strauss what his defence team is doing.

"We've been put on a state of high alert. Although it might not look it, Pezun is actually fairly close to the front line. We thought we might be being put on a lower readiness state after you cought Gihren red handed, but I guess that's not going to be the case. Good luck Commander, and good hunting."

You wish him likewise and meet with your team.

"Gentlemen, let's get moving."

Equipment to grab before we leave Pezun:
-New Beam Carbine for David
-Gyan Marine shield for Bernie
Bernie's shield can be modified in route to fire smoke and chaff grenades.

>>13102783

Seconded

>>13102783
Thirding this.

Can we borrow the Val Varo from Pezun? And is the Nacht Zaku fully repaired?

>>13102783

>-Gyan Marine shield for Bernie
>Bernie's shield can be modified in route to fire smoke and chaff grenades.

You mean this one?

What the fuck is smoke going to do in space?

Absolutely nothing.

rolled 40 = 40

What

>>13102853
Yes that's the one. It's the smallest shield in the Gyan series so it shouldnt put too much more weight on his suit. I mean it's gotta weigh less than those chain mines he'd normally hauling around.

>>13102865
Depends where you're fighting; close up in debris, space stations, colonies, asteroids, etc it can be useful esp. in a minovsky rich environment (which considering what we've been doing, I'm surprised we don't exude the damn things).

>>13102919
Smoke doesn't work in space. It's a vacuum.

>>13102919
Also, I'd imagine in space you'd swap them out for flashbangs.

Oh, and apparently the Val Velo is already being loaded. Apparently Hovis was using it so much to school overconfident test-pilots that the station has begun to think of it as being "his" by default, and have apparently forgotten that they were only supposed to be testing it here.

Oh well, you're sure you'll put it to good use. Luckily, it's already sporting Nachtmaren colours, ie: black, so you don't have to worry about that.

Whoever though bright red was a good colour for a giant mobile armour in space needed to be taken out back and shot.

>>13102951
>Acquired: 1 Val Varo.

Delicious. Be sure to weld handholds on it so we can use it as a booster sled.

>>13102951
No one says a word to Pezun about us taking their mobile armor, got it? Not a single goddamned word.

>>13102976
It's not Pezun who were stealing this Mobile Armour from though...

>>13102976
>>13102962

Man, they're gonna be pissed if they get it back and our Techie dudes have welded a bunch of handles on the outside.

>>13103003

Meh. they can just cut them off later. not like it'd hurt the MA's aerodynamics.

>>13102997
We captured him in our first battle against Delaz right?

>>13102962

Darn skippy. MA-boosted entry vectors are wonderful in space battles.

>>13102951

What's our time to target?

Dynamic entry

Hovis speeds off towards Feds. David and Zolomon hold on for a boosted ride.

Hovis suddenly stops as best as he can, defying physics in the process.

David and Zol go flying through the feds swinging heat axes and laser swords and all that shit we have, leaving a wake of exploding ships and mobile suits as we move past them.

The ship is quickly loaded with your mobile suits and as much ammo, weapons and spare parts you can find. As you'd imagine theres a bit of scramble on at the moment.

Once you've gotten as fully stocked as you're likely to get, you cut the moorings and depart at full speed towards the combat zone.
The journey will take some time, 4 hours at least. It's impossible to reach there before battle is joined, but with a bit of luck, you might just be able to make a difference before the end.

You enter the bridge as the ship clears the last of the defensive sattelite emplacements around Pezun.

"Tell me Commander, did I tell you about the shipwide improvements we implemented during the repair?" Mauser asks you.

WHAT'S THIS? ZANZIBAR KAI IS EVOLVING!
[MUSIC]
ZANZIBAR KAI EVOLVED IN ZANZIBAR FR!

>>13103103
>Multiple shipwide improvements

I like the sound of this. Anything we really need to know about?

>>13103103
"Do tell."

>>13103103
What new and marvelous abilities can we look forward to now?

>>13103146

Hopefully a onboard bar and swimming pool.

>>13103146

A mail sorting room.

>>13103119
>>13103135
Am I the only who's getting wierd outages with 4chan not letting me post?

Zanzibar FR
"The Zanzibar Kai refit package was employed in several cases to bring the the Zanzibar class up to the level of the newer Zanzibar II class. Whilst this refit didn't quite give the older classes the same level of brute force punch, the addition of a dedicated MA pod, as well as several modular hardpoints did bring it to roughly it's successors level or MS capacity and firepower, and the addition of Dom like hoverthrusters gave the Kai a level of manouverability that the MkII didn't have. Making it a popular choice for deploying earth use Mobile Armours and their supporting MS. However, the refit package only saw limited use, often only applied to damaged Zanzibar ships, or those specifically alloted to Experimental MA testing units operating on earth.

>>13103266
The FR or Final Revision, is a final refinement to this refit package, and by the end of the war only three of the most were ever in service, one of which being the infamous Outer Heaven, used by the Nachtmaren Unit.
The FR supported the now improved ventral hoverthrusters with a minovsky hover system, that increased the ships earth and space manouverability in ways often unpredictable to the enemy. Also, it's primary guns were of an upgraded class, partially based on a combination of salvaged Pegasus class Beam Cannons, and the more conventional shells of old Chivvay guns. Dorsal and Ventral hangar bay access zones were added, as were even more hardpoints.
The effects were dramatic, the FR could launch it's entire compliment of 6 MS + 1 MA in a matter of seconds, and it's improved engagement range, AB-Chaff dispensor magazine and agility increased it's survivability well beyond it's means. The FR in many ways proved itself the superior, not just of the Zanzibar II, but any ship employed by Zeon in the OYW, and equalling any Pegasus class ship the Federation would design for the next 3 years."
- From Burkes Fighting Ships and Mobile Weapons (UC - 0089)

>>13103266
Been happening to me all day.

>>13103269
>>13103266
>The FR in many ways proved itself the superior, not just of the Zanzibar II, but any ship employed by Zeon in the OYW, and equalling any Pegasus class ship
Let's go and kick some Feddie ass!

That said, yes, I've also been experiencing weird posting outages.

>>13103266
No, it is not just you. Now, let's go hold the line. Looks like the people who wanted us to destroy the ships at Luna 2 are getting their wish.

Patiently but nervously you await your arrival in the combat zone.

From the combat chatter flying around, you've got a major fullscale battle on your hands. Three companies of Mobile Suits arrived from Solomon about five minutes ago to reinforce the Garisson which was in the process of staging a fighting retreat. The reinforcements staged a full counter-attack, which whilst unable to penetrate enemy lines, did force them back enough for the battlelines to restabilise. Several independant units such as the Death Hornets and Cyclops Team Alpha and Theta have been keeping the federation boxed in with lighting raids and patrolling the outliers.
So far it's working. The Federation haven't tried to branch out in a seperate direction from Luna II yet, so far all of their efforts have been directed towards Side 4 and Solomon.
Even though Zeons holding it's ground, the death toll is rising steadily. It seems estimates MS estimates were off by at least 50%. Luckily, there's nothing more advanced than the basic GM and maybe the occaisional Command refit, but there's just so many of them...

>>13103451

From what you can tell, aside from you, there are roughly three other units en-route from Pezun to the battlezone. Behind that is a whole Heavy Combat Detatchment from the fleets at Grenada, consisting of 2 Battleships and 20 other vessels and roughly a whole battallions worth of Mobile Suits (although the Space Fleet doesn't really organise it's MS in such noncmaleture) But they won't get there until 6 hours after the battle started...

Time passes slowly, and Mauser pushes the newly repaired ship as hard as he dares. Eventually however in the distance you see the distinctive twinkle of explosions, and the delicate neon threads of beam fire that tells you that you're getting close.

It's time to suit up.

CHOOSE YOUR LOADOUT.

>>13103451
Well, Atleast we won't have any problem finding targets.

Pu on some bravado and announce a kill competition to our comrades, Whoever scores the most kills in this battle gets bought a fine bottle of liquor of their choice.

Gotta boost morale somehow.

>>13103518

Our standard loadout. Something tells me we're going to need quite abit of resupplying on the fly.

Any news on Char & his Flying Shields as well as Cirma's Marines?

Here, a crazy idea.

We redo Operation Terminus. Except that we don't leak its existence, we actually build something there, the something we build is a huge-ass laser instead of a ballistic railgun, and we aim it at Luna II.

Even if the Feddies find out, they'll figure it's a repeat of last time, when the whole thing was just a way to draw their forces off from Jaburo. Especially if we start making it look like we're preparing to hit Jaburo again.

>>13103560

Char you don't know about. You assume he's got orders from Kycillia, what those are you can't be sure off.

As for Cima, last you heard she was in California with Garma.

>>13103576

Where are we gonna find the resources for something like that?

Think of zeon right now as late war Nazi Germany, in terms of supplies and war materiel. We really don't have the resources to be spending on a specalised superweapon... but we can probably afford to refit old cruisers for ops and keep building proven performers in terms of our war machines.

Hell, I'd even wager something like the pezun dowdage is kind of out of the picture right now.

>>13103518
David: Nacht Zaku - Beam Carbine, Bullpup MG, Gundam Shield, Beam saber, Grenades (if room)
Zol: Gyan Kreiger - Standard Loadout + 2x Heat Hawks
Jolyne: Gelgoog Cannon - Backpack Cannon, beam rifle, wrist grenade launcher, Zulu Shield, Beam Naginata
Elaine: Gelgoog B - Beam Rifle, Bazooka, Zulu Shield, grenades, panzerfausts, beam naginata
Calvin: Gyan Electronic Warfare version? That's the one he was using at Pezun right?
Bernie: 90mm MG +GL, Gyan Marine Shield, grenades, panzerfausts, Chain Mine?
Hovis: Val Varo + Hitchhikers

>>13103612
We can't outbuild the Feddies, and we don't have enough of a qualitative edge to make up for it at this point. We NEED to bring them to the table for a ceasefire, but right now they have no incentive to do that instead of finishing us off.

The only way to do that is to mount some sort of spectacular that badly degrades Feddie combat power without costing us our entire military in the process. Blowing up Luna II with an enormous ground-based beam cannon is our most likely bet.

...or alternatively, we could hijack the Solar System when the Feddies put it together and then point it at Luna II instead of Solomon. But that suggestion might be a bit too meta at the moment.

Apologized, are there any Xamels available yet?

>>13103592
>As for Cima, last you heard she was in California with Garma.

>>13103687

A couple, but they only had a limited production run before Operation Odessa sort of threw everything for a loop.

There's probably more Hildolfrs out there than Xamels at the moment.
Plus the manufacting facilities being in Kilimanjaro base didn't help either.

>>13103667

Well, we seem to have two differing trains of thought here. One is to basically psych the feddies out, make them think we have a war ending super weapon, or we still have the capacity to continue this fight for quite a while, while the other is to achieve a victory that somehow forces them to the negotiating table. I agree we can't out produce them, though I think earlier weapons suggestions could jump our qualitative edge to the point where we have at least rough parity in space.

In the end, of course, we're all going to have to make a decision based on how the fight here goes. if we can do enough damage to the luna 2 fleet- AND prevent anything from earth from coming into the space front, then we have a good chance at getting the cease fire we're after. If not... well...

>>13103751
A few is fine, as long as they're either already space-capable or can be easily refit into Rick Xamels if they aren't. They'd help solve our "lack of heavy artillery in space" problem if we want to do some fortress-busting.

>>13103781
Yeah. This fight is going to be pretty important.

Which makes me want to know something else kind of vital: can the Solar Ray Cannon be brought to bear on Luna II right now? Because if the answer's "yes", then I think we might be even more fucked than we thought.

>>13103882
Rick Xamels? I feel very conflicted about this idea.

>>13103644

With your suits all prepared, you order Mauser to support you from the edge of the battlefield and you'll enter battle mounted on the Val Velo.
As you get close enough you're finally able to get an idea of the tactical situation from the local command network.

Basically, the current Zeon forces are down to about 4 Battleships and 12 Musai's and 3 Chivvays, which are supporting roughly 40 mobile suits. Mobile Suit composition consists of about 15 Zaku's of an older class, 10 Zudah's and a smattering of Gyan's and Rick Doms.

Their opposition consists of roughly 11 Magellan Battleships, 19 Salamis Cruisers, and roughly a hundred GM pattern mobile suits, maybe the odd Guncannon, but not more than a handful. Swathes of Balls and Saberfish space fighters.

So far the Fed forces are using their higher numbers to their advantage, constantly making small pushes across the battleline, retreating back to the supporting fire envelopes of the fleet before they take too many casualties.
These small pulses are taxing the faster, more advanced suits ability to react to them, tiring them out and forcing them to refuel and rearm quicker.
Luckily, the high speed Zudah is mitigating much of this strategy, but at a cost.
So far they have made no attempt at pushing through, and seem content to try and grind friendly forces down through attrition.

Battlespace terrain contains a mix of light debris fields from early ship casualties and medium sized asteroids which make decent cover.
It is currently 10pm Zeon time, and the battle has so far lasted 3 hours. Combat fatigue will be an issue sooner rather than later.

YOUR ORDERS?

>>13103518

Standard loadout.

Do we have any other information about the federal combatants?

>>13104150
We already have a Rick Xamel. It's called the Rick Dom Bein Nichts.

This thing can carry twice the firepower of a Xamel any day, and is actually built for space combat.

>>13104243
High-speed attack run on the enemy ships the next time the Feddie MS forces commit to an attack on our blockade force.

If the Feddie MS want to hide within the fire envelope of metal boxes, then we'll take away those metal boxes.

>>13103714

You are mistaken, sirrah. That is what she's going to do to Lister after he rolls in LIKE A BOSS and keeps her unit from getting hung out to dry.

>>13104255
Oh right, I never really thought of it that way since the Xamel still has legs, albeit it's hard to tell sometimes. Still yeah that'd work great, it did for us anyways.

Did any more of the Dom Bein Nichts get built besides the prototype?

>>13104243

Bobsled assault right into the next push.

Wipe it out before they get a chance to retreat.

Have OH begin long range interdiction fire.

>>13104319
This. Watch how the Feds are repositioning and when they swell out in an area we swing in at high speed and cut off a group of them.

Our primary targets of this fight should be the mobile suits, once they're out of the way the otherwise standard battleships and cruisers should fall like in any other battle.

>>13104344

It's a Rick Dom refit, thats cheaper to get the parts for than simply upgrading to a Mark II, so there's a fair number trolling about.

>>13104388
>>13104319
Seconding these.

>>13104243

Make a flashy entrance by killing something big. Preferably multiple big things. Do this while broadcasting some rockin' theme music over Federation channels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBrU14LmXE

I chose the slower version because Nachtmaren would obviously get a series of slow panning shots showing them wrecking Feddie shit in this instance.

Pic related, it's what we're about to do.

>>13104388

So, try to cut off an attack, with the priority being on taking out the Mobile Suits over the Ships?

So who wants to bet on when Bandit shows up in this.

>>13104494
hell no we are ship killers that;s our bread and butter lets stick to it

>So far the Fed forces are using their higher numbers to their advantage
Do they have any ace units in play or is it just a mook rush so far? Because if they're aren't any enemy aces in play we should be able to make some nice inroads in that numerical advantage.

>seem content to try and grind friendly forces down through attrition
So we should atrit them faster. If we've got some Bein Nichts on the field, would a lighting strike to try and take out some of the federation warships be feasible? They have greater numbers, but they still need to rest and rearm just like we do. If we can deny them that we can exhaust them faster. If we can draw out a significant push of their forces it might get easier to slip a rapid strike into their lines.

Looking at the bigger picture, are they just trying to break out of Luna II or do they have some specific objective in mind? Besides trying to contest Zeon's overall control of space?

>>13104494

Target priority:
MS
Mobile Weapons (BALLS)
Spacecraft
Fighters

>>13104494
Try to get to their ships. If they can't rearm and refuel they are fucked.

>>13104518
With our luck, he's helping Christina test the Alex.

>>13104568
Hey Sam, which character is yours in the CoC game?

>>13104526
We're close to evenly matched for capital ship ability. The heavies can deal with each other, but ours cant defend themselves as well against Mobile suits.

>>13104494
That's my vote yes.

>Mobile Weapons (BALLS)

ATTENTION ALL PERSONEL!

BALLS ARE TO BE KICKED, PREFFERABLY INTO OTHER BALLS.

>>13104615
"Sir...isn't Balls touching kind of gay?"

>>13104530

No recognisable aces spotted, Luna II doesn't have any known ace mobile suit pilots stationed in it, but it's still best not to underestimate anything.

You give the orders to your team as you're mounting up on the new handhelds freshly welded to the Val Velo.
"We strike at the rear of a federation push, keep your head on a swivel and your speed up, attacking from that angle could expose you to outlying warship fire as well as supporting mobile suits. Don't make any mistakes and strike as quickly as possible into the enemy formation. The quicker we can take out one assault, the sooner we can assault another.
If we can take enough out in quick succession they'll probably have to change their strategies on the fly. We'll adapt from there. We'll be using the Val Velo as a combat transport to get from site to site. Okay?"

You tell the Outer Heaven to join the main ship formations and support them from there, and then Hovis surges off towards the closest Federation push.

>>13104636

THEN MAKE THIS BATTLEFIELD EXTREMELY GAY.

>>13104643

Man, if Zeon had developed a Gay-Ray instead of all of these fancy beam weaponry.

>>13104642
inb4 dead feddies

Seriously though, Apologized, you should describe the scenes in more detail.

This is a massive space battle. I bet there are dead bodies floating listlessly through space here. Fucked up shit that shows the horrors of future space war.

>>13104643
Let's do this.

>>13104673

...then Wing would be UC and Zeon would have developed the Gundams.

At least that's what common wisdom dictates.

Please start giving out kill counts to make my life a whole lot easier.

>>13104677
Hrmm

>>13104677
If there are, they're probably too small to see easily given that we're all in giant robot suits. Not to mention exploding ships tend to vaporize the crew, same with suits.

Anyway, full sped ahead, let's kill some unlucky Feddies.

>>13104677
Now that beam weaponry is in common use, the only real sign of dead people is probably that the local concentrations of carbon, oxygen and a few other elements are going to be fractionally higher than usual.

>>13104642

I'll be honest.

Sometimes, I imagine Cima wearing this.

UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ

>>13104689
Party soon, fellow Stalker?

As the GM's push forward, attacking an isolated pocket of Mobile Suits, outnumbering them 2 to 1, the Val Valo surges in, darting between meteors and large chunks of wreckage from Musai and Salamis alike.
Missiles and beams from nearby ships signify that supporting elements have spotted you, but it's too late for the extended forces to escape as you're already behind them. Darting between explosions and debris the Val Valo storms into the formaion, it's vulcan guns spitting out a storm of 110mm shells. Several GM's are shredded by this, and you give the order to dismount as Hovis extends his claws outwards, his Plasma Leaders flying out in front of him.

As you spin out of the way of a GM's beam shot, sending a trio of Carbine blasts back at him in return, you catch the huge Mobile Armour surging upwards like a great sea leviathan of old mythology, multiple GM mobile suits clutched in it's crustacean like claws.

A GM charges at you it's Beam Saber drawn. A spinning kick you got from Char knocks the shield off it's achoring and into his other hand, causing it to drop the weapon. Then Zolomon flies past, a black blur highlight in yellow flame, and the GM is neatly sheared in two before exploding.
It looks like your fight with the Federation, has begun again.

>>13104687

Wisdom? I'm sorry, I cannot hear you over all of this DESIRE.

>>13104745
Now how about an omake.

>>13104745

Unless we're the other shoe, I do not like the title of the next episode at all. It brings to mind Wyatt Bandit, Revil, and Gihren and his FUCKING SOLAR LASER.

ALL OF MY HATE. ALL OF IT.

Here's hoping for an omake of Nell receiving that stuffed Acguy.

inb4 Skeletal Knight relapse

>>13104783
Well, someone's gonna be dropping their shoe.

I don't think things will go well here.

I'm guessing Gihren unleashes something bad. Kills a lot of dudes here. Remnants of Zeonic and Federation forces from this battle work together to kill Gihren.

I still await the omake about what Gihren thinks of us.

>>13104783
The Feddie assault on Solomon is scheduled to start soon, and they deploy the Solar System to slag its defenses.

Let's hope like fuck they target A Baoa Qu first instead.

>>13104745
>NEXT EPISODE
>The other shoe

Oh boy, I wonder what what wonderful new doomsday weapons we'll be seeing next week!

Btw, are you taking a couple weeks off like last year apologised?

>>13104794
"Hello, I'm David Lister, and this was my favorite Acguy in Grenada! Hope you like it."

>>13104745
TO BE CONTINUED... OBVIOUSLY.

--OMAKE---

FROM: Gen. Revil
TO: BEIJING Command + Torrington Command

Operation Star 1 is proceeding as planned. Commence Operation K at once, as there will be no better time. Objectives B and C are Primary targets, this will increase the success chances of Star 1. Objective A is considered tiertiary, Objective D and E are to be considered secondary.

REVIL

FROM: Torrington Command
TO: Revil

Understood, Naval contingent will engage forces in Point's M and N to draw away patrols from primary route used by transports. Advise altering Jaburo atmospheric flight paths to go via the atlantic rather than the pacific as before.

FROM: BEIJING Command
To: Revil

Primary Air and Sea Forces are in place for a simultaneous assault, which will be done in coordination with the Torrington Division.

Still think recon relies overly heavily on organic intelligence assets, and consider lack of air support a possible stumbling block.
Will commence attack as planned regardless.

END

>>13104850

Hmm. Looks like we might have to take a trip downstairs.

>>13104800
>what Gihren thinks of us.
Have you ever seen Inspector Gadget? You know the guy at the end that always yells 'Curse you, Gadget!' or something similar? I'm pretty sure that's how he sees us.

See also: Cobra Commander's love for G.I. Joe forces.

>>13104850
Oh sweetsonofabitch...

>>13104850
Or alternatively, it's time to finish evacuating Earth.

Destroying everything of military value before we leave, of course.

>>13104850
Are we going to have to pull Garma's pretty-boy butt out of the fire again?
Though Cirma's there too, so there's that.

>>13104850
Oh look, finishing off Jaburo prior to this WOULD have been useful and quite possibly beneficial to us after all. Now they're going to attack our last stronghold on Earth, North America.

>>13104921
They're not using Jaburo for this. Revil mentioned it because the Pacific is about to become a warzone, and therefore any spacecraft launching from Jaburo should avoid passing over it.

>>13104921
Yeah. Too bad we couldn't plan, coordinate, and successfully launch a surprise attack against Jaburo in one day.

>>13104832

I have no idea. It depends on what were doing this christmas.
I don;t THINK were going anywhere.
But I'm always the last one to know so...

--OMAKE--

"...thank you 2nd Lieutenant Kojima. You concerns are duly noted. Lt Baxter, what's you're assesment of the new Pixy?"

Lt Lloyd Baxter twitched, as he'd found himself doing lately, as he turned to address the Rear Admiral.

"There have been some adjustment complications, but the results s-s-speak for themselves. You can't argue that their performance is well above anything they were able to before. I'll ad-admit to a certain level of bugs and kinks within the system that might, might be causing feedback to the pilot, but that could easily be simply problems with accurately r-r-replicating the EXAM equipment from Morsers notes now that he's dead."

"So in your opinion Lieutenant, the Midnight Pixy Deathsquad is combat ready?"

"Absolutely." Lloyd confidently returned.

'...and little else but combat.' he thought to himself darkly. 2 prospective pilots have nearly been driven insane with the systems strange properties, and the ones who he was left with were broken men and women. But broken things have sharp edges, and can make the best weapons, as long as you take care not to cut yourself.
Lloyd knew that Kojima was handling it, he could see it was an uphill battle, but nonetheless Yuu was handling it.
And if Kojima could do it, then so could he.

>>13104932

Good thing Cirma and her marines are down on earth right now with Garma.

>>13104908
CimaQuest one shot?

I mean we did do the Wolfgang Strauss sidestory and i wouldn´t mind doing something similar again.

...I kinda think that David needs to stay in space for the time being, We just can´t allow them to gain any more hold here and will probably need to do some clean up operations after this one.

That is just my idea of the situation, Although i am horrible with Tactical Assessments.

>>13104832

I have no idea. It depends on what were doing this christmas.
I don;t THINK were going anywhere.
But I'm always the last one to know so...

--OMAKE--

"...thank you 2nd Lieutenant Kojima. You concerns are duly noted. Lt Baxter, what's you're assesment of the new Pixy?"

Lt Lloyd Baxter twitched, as he'd found himself doing lately, as he turned to address the Rear Admiral.

"There have been some adjustment complications, but the results s-s-speak for themselves. You can't argue that their performance is well above anything they were able to before. I'll ad-admit to a certain level of bugs and kinks within the system that might, might be causing feedback to the pilot, but that could easily be simply problems with accurately r-r-replicating the EXAM equipment from Morsers notes now that he's dead."

"So in your opinion Lieutenant, the Midnight Pixy Deathsquad is combat ready?"

"Absolutely." Lloyd confidently returned.

'...and little else but combat.' he thought to himself darkly. 2 prospective pilots have nearly been driven insane with the systems strange properties, and the ones who he was left with were broken men and women. But broken things have sharp edges, and can make the best weapons, as long as you take care not to cut yourself.
Lloyd knew that Kojima was handling it, he could see it was an uphill battle, but nonetheless Yuu was handling it.
And if Kojima could do it, then so could he.

"Well, then, I see no reason therefore to put you immiedietely back into combat duty..." Said Rear Admiral Jamitov Hyman, bringing him out of his revilry.

>>13104954

...Fucking EXAM.

>>13104954
Oh, this just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Fucking EXAM.

>>13104975
>>13104981
Well, maybe we'll fully awaken as a Newtype when we run into them.

So there were 2 Pixy Gundams left after our last fight plus the Blue Destiny right?
I sort of expected a few RGM-79L to be backing up the Pixy team at our next encounter since they're similar in mobility.

In before an entire company of GM Light Armor is their backup at our next encounter.

So, I guess the question we should be asking is: When we wreck Revil's Operation Star 1 in standard Nachtmaren fashion, should we continue on into Luna 2 since everybody's already here, or should we divert down to Earth to wreak havoc behind the Federation lines as they attempt to push forward?

>>13105012

In the case of anything related to the Exam system being a newtype is extremely bad.

If we fully awaken near one of those we will get raped the same moments those "eyes" turn red.

Our real hope against them will probably be our oldtype pilots.

>>13105052
And then it turns out that each panel of the Solar System is actually a GM Sniper II.

>>13105067

>>13105064
I suppose it depends. If we want to try and hold NA, then we should go down to Earth to help Garma out. If they decide to just retreat into space and give up on it (Which would suck, since Zeon did kinda promise those guys in NY that we'd be able to protect them. Plus Iselina is form there)then we could press for Luna 2.

>>13105067
>Image
The hell is that?

>EXAM
Well shit.

>>13105125
Gundam Harute from the 00 Movie, it was the only "Gundam with Red Eyes" image i have unfortunately.

>>13105109
There's also the possibility that if we do well enough at this battle and it depleted the mobile defenses of Luna 2 enough to make a strike possible, we have a small window when they won't be expecting an attack that we could exploit. If we can overrun Luna 2's defenses fast enough, and Cirma and Garma can hold off the Federation long enough, we could stop Operation Star 1, take Luna 2, and then go down to reinforce Zeon NA forces and push back the Federation offensive.

If this works, and I admit that it's a big IF, then that could give us the victory we need to bring the Federation to the negotiation table.

>>13105247
That's definitely the best case scenario. Though, like you said it's a lot of "if"s.

>>13105247
"Accidentally" force Luna II to start heading for Earth as a result of battle damage, then request permission from Feddies to use nukes to prevent it from hitting the planet. Make that request on an open broadcast, so that the civvies know about it.

>>13105305
Too risky.

How will we ever learn the secret of Garmas hair if we blow up the planet he is on?

>>13105381
I'm sure he's got it in his will that we be told if he dies before he can tell us himself.

>>13105378
>Luna 2 is on the moon
What? No, it's not. It's located at L3, and it's a massive mined out asteroid.

>>13105378
>Luna 2: Giant asteroid fortress
>On the moon

Nigga wat

>>13105247
The key to pulling this off will be to destroy the current Fed fleet we're fighting before the Grenada reinforcements show up. If our force can destroy the bulk of the Mobile suit forces present Kycilia's fleet can carry right on through to attack the fortress. While our relief takes action there the remainder of the blockade force, Pezun and Solomon forces can watch for Federation counter attack from Earth.
Should be interesting, too bad I'll be at work next week.

>>13105064
I think our current operations in space are going to keep us busy while Revil is springing his antics. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was all a big diversion for his current groundside ops.

I'd also be very surprised if he wasn't aiming to grab California while we're still in space.

What we need to do is wreck as much of their shit as we can. Whatever they're doing we need to make them pay in as much blood for it as we can. A hundred mobile suits has got to be a significant segment of their space garrison. Launching this has at least depleted Luna II somewhat. If we do well, it'll give us options to work with.

>>13106075
>I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was all a big diversion for his current groundside ops.

......yes, that's exactly what's going on. That's what the first Omake basically said.

>>13106115
Operation Star 1 was supposed to be a win-win situation for Revil; if we pull forces to counter it, then his invasion of NA goes off without Zeon reinforcements mucking things up. If we ignore it to keep a grip on NA, then the Federation Space Forces break out from Luna II.
He's fought with us before though; he should know that if we enter the battle, there's a good possibility his entire diversionary force will get cut to ribbons and Luna II is laid open.
Could he have secretly reinforced Luna II's defenses for this offensive? Or is he planning on Gihren taking advantage of weakened Legitimacy forces and launching an attack to force us to retreat even if we annihilate the Federation breakout forces.

>>13106198
Time to send a one-word message to Garma, I think:

"Dunkirk."

If he knows his military history at all, he should be able to figure it out.

>>13106347
That'd be pritty meta though.

I keep thinking about the MA-09 MP Big Zam. How effective would a couple of them be acting as mobile turrets for a battleship? I mean if we're going to use them anyways we might as well have some deployment plans if they're used in space.

discussion bump

Looks like we somehow are botching this campaign something fierce by bickering on the Earth attack points. Makes me want to do a "take two" or "once more, with feeling!" at the end of everything.

>>13111725
Groundhog day/Higurashi/Furude Rika much? Insert Credit to Continue?

>>13111725
Yeah we fucked ourselves over somehow bickering over Jaburo/Odessa/Luna II

holy shit missed this while working on final projects.

>>13104518
That triple beam gun. DELICIOUS. I want a couple of those on the rhino next time we are on the ground.

Okay, its a toss up of whether or not we get a message from Garma about the impeding ground attack. Otherwise, we would probably be best served doing what natchmaren does best in space, namely wrecking multiple battleships singlehandedly. If we can do enough damage to the Federation's forces here, they will be much more hesitant to attack a fortified base, where we gain the better defensive bonus. Even if Garma gets a message off to us, it will probably be too late to do anything about, we are in space and in the middle of a major battle. We can't just up and leave in the middle of that.

As for whoever mentioned the beam machine gun? That would make for a addition to our combat capabilities, its probably got a longer range than the carbine, so if we carry it into battle while holstering the carbine, we can use it like a heavy weapon for a while, then ditch it when we start fighting in closer. Also, imagine what Jolyne and Elaine would manage to do with rapid fire beams :D

It would be nice if we could get a heavy beam Gatling, sort of like that giant Gatling gun one of the gundams used in space when there was a really high minovski particle density. Would give us a major boost in longer battles where ammo has to be monitored, as a throwaway weapon to be used first, followed by the less heavy weapons.

>>13113023
>Even if Garma gets a message off to us, it will probably be too late to do anything about, we are in space and in the middle of a major battle.

Some reinforcements were sent up by Garma in HLVs. (Mentioned here: >>13102486 ) We could, if they were still there, use them to descend.

As for whether or not we could afford to split...that would depend on conditions of the current battle and the way the ground-side attack was going.

On an unrelated note: I know it's nigh-impossible but, for some unknown reason, I really want to steal the Alex. Maybe even without getting the pilot and/or Bernie killed.

>>13113211
What do you mean unknown? EVERYONE wants to steal it. Seriously, the thing is made of win. Better yet, it was intended for Amuro Ray. It was DESIGNED for a newtype ace, which we happen to be.

Realistically, we will probably be called on to hunt it down, we do have a bit of a record of destroying gundams, and Garma would likely call us in at least for advice, when dealing with something like the Alex. If we capture the Alex, we will have a LOT of fun, its pretty much the natch zaku on steroids. As for Bernie and the pilot, it would be nice to keep both alive, yes. Bernie is Natchmaren, and has basically been getting a crash course in how to annihilate everything. If he does end up going up against the Alex alone, he would probably win at this point. If he could cripple it with a Zaku-2 and no high level/intensity training, then with the training and a decent MS he should win hands down.

OOC, we could make a good point for capturing the Alex, as it is the latest Gundam, if we capture it we get access to their latest designs which we can incorporate into our own designs. The high end designs would at least give us some better parity with them.

tl;dr
If we capture it, we potentially gain tech parity and a very high level MS while denying the federation such a resource. If we destroy it, then its merely being denied to the enemy. We have the capability to capture it, mostly intact at least.

>>13113211
Who's Alex?

Gundam Alex, the ohshitwe'reallgonnadie gundam. Number RX-78NT-1

Notable for being made specifically for Amuro Ray's emerging newtype abilities. Has a unique cockpit that grants better situiational awareness, hidden triple barrel miniguns in its arms, and ohfuckme high speed, got crippled by bernie in an old zaku-2 i think, at the cost of his life.

TL;DR: It's basically an uber gundam made specifically for Amuro. Has awesome guns in its forearms, curbstomps everything till Bernie takes off its head and arm at the cost of his life. We want to steal it and use it for ourselves, if possible.

>>13114223
>supposedly godly Gundam
>I'm assuming it has Lunar Titanium armor
>Beaten by a Zaku 2

Well shit man, if Bernie can do it in a Zaku 2, us in the Nacht Zaku should be able to do it with our hands tied behind our backs.

>>13114223

As a fan of Gundam 0080 (and hell, the entire UC in general) I endorse this plan 110%.

>Circuit Stricapo
Sounds like a Gundam Meister in Gundam 00

>>13114408
The ohshit bit is that it was actually designed specifically to keep up with Amuro's reaction speed. The person piloting it wasn't nearly at his level, and crushed a special ops team singlehandedly. Knowing our luck, it will be Wyatt in it, or Amuro, either of which is an instant win for the feds. And it wasn't beaten. Its head was cut off, after he lured it into a trap, and forced it to use up a bunch of ammo. He also died to take off its head and half of an arm. Capturing it and the pilot should be possible, especially if we get a couple of heat rods to stun it.

But yeah, we should totally be able to annihilate it ourselves, the Nacht Zaku is that much better, and we are at so much higher of a level than her, so it should be a cinch to capture both the suit and the pilot, especially if she knows of our reputation(she should, the feds are scared shitless of us). I am a bit of a bleeding heart romantic, so sue me for not wanting to cause yet another tragedy in the series.

Also, this is based on the original timeline, it might be much more powerful. Either way, would be a very nice suit to steal. Actually, capturing everyone involved in manufacturing the Alex would be a nice bonus, which should be possible with the Natchmaren Dragoons and whatever else we decide to bring along for the ride.

>>13115370
Oh, so Amuro wasn't in it when Bernie destroyed it? Okay, guess we'll need our arms untied to beat it.

>>13115370
Speaking of the Dragoons, I hope we were able to replenish their numbers, and off-load some of the injured as trainers for new special forces units.

We need to cycle back experienced personnel to train new recruits when we can.

>>13115678
Let me put it this way; it was designed as a class above a gundam, which we already have trouble with. It was made specifically for those people like Amuro, Wyatt and ourselves who react stupidly fast. The absolute last thing i want to see is it in the hands of a competent ace pilot. Wyatt is already stupidly effective at messing us up, if he gets a newtype gundam we are screwed. It had a test pilot when it was destroyed, and it crushed a team of Zeon's special ops. If armed correctly, it would be a horrendously fast, ridiculously reactive, and monsterously dangerous MS. When it fought, it had nothing but the beam sabers and the built in guns. Now, think of it with a rapid fire beam rifle, and a shield to deflect close combat weapons.
>captcha: bandqual 1599,
>what the hell captcha?

>Wyatt is already stupidly effective at messing us up, if he gets a newtype gundam we are screwed.

Previous post:
>But yeah, we should totally be able to annihilate it ourselves, the Nacht Zaku is that much better

Please, I'm getting mixed signals here. Also, Jolyne in that thing would be monstrous, given that her Newtype ability IS going crazy fast, and if this Alex thing is meant specifically to take advantage of that...... yeah.

>>13116138
>Please, I'm getting mixed signals here.
The pilot is the deciding factor here. Originally the Alex had an Oldtype test pilot and managed to wipe out the special ops team to a man. Now imagine what it would be like if a half-decent Newtype like, say, Wyatt Bandit got their grubby mitts on it.

Yeah...

>Jol + Alex = ?
Maniacal laughter & pity for one's enemies.

Wyatt already has the G3 which would be a match for our suit. Given the rate of Mobile Suit development in this timeline Amuro already has the Alex by now and Sayla would have the RX-78-2.

>>13116138
>Please, I'm getting mixed signals here.
The Alex is bad news for us but is only as good as its pilot. In 0080 Bernie was piloting a MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai, which has better acceleration than the Original Gundam. Christina Mackenzie was a test pilot and not a newtype, she couldnt make the best use of the Alex's superior reaction speed. Added to that was the fact that Bernie managed to lay a trap and ambush her.
He still died, and the Alex was not fully destroyed.

And since I prefer music vids to straight up DVD rips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbd6fkyUNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlXzYRxdW1o

>>13116138
notice that i said if WYATT gets it we are screwed, the test pilot doesn't have jack shit on him. Like you said, Jolyne would be a monster in it, she can use it to its full potential. The test pilot couldn't.

As it is now, the Alex is just a really effective Gundam with built in weapons. However, the fact that it was intended for the feds BEST ACE, gets me paranoid. Looking at how Bernie managed to win makes me think we would steamroll it, especially in the Natch Zaku. However, that was just a test pilot. Not a veteran ace, or a newtype like it was meant for. I am far more worried about either Wyatt or Amuro getting it, as both are pretty damn fast already, any faster and it would end very badly for us. For crying out loud, both of them survived fighting Natchmaren alone, I DON'T want them getting a faster suit if at all possible.

>>13116290
Yeah, thats pretty much right. Although i was thinking of David using it, the minigun arms would be utterly lethal for midrange battles, like we get into the most. The Natch Zaku might be more suited for us now though. Would be nice if we could at least get a forearm installed minigun though.

Yes, i am going for moar dakka. Any problem gentlemen?

>>13116343

More dakka is always good.

'course, more dakka and more choppy is better.

>>13116340
>the Alex was not fully destroyed
It was enough for them to not make use of it & drop it for other Psycommu-based NT weapons.
>Given the rate of Mobile Suit development in this time line
For Zeon. I don't recall ever seeing anything indicating accelerated MS development on the Feddie's side of things.
>>13116343
>moar dakka.
>problem gentlemen?
You & your crazy rhetorical questions!

Integrated beam punch dagger? :D
Beam Saber Missile?
Heavy Beam Gatling?
Beam Missile?


yeah i got moar dakka. It's just a matter of getting it done. Unfortunately, a chunk of it is just a plain waste of resources for now. I wish we had kept one of the Midnight Pixy Deathsquad's beam daggers. Even if we couldn't use a full beam weapon before, the smaller dagger would have less of a drain on the reactor. Imagine an integrated dagger instead of a heat blade for the feet :D

The integrated Beam Punch dagger is simply a small beam saber mounted along the arm, turn it on and punch for maximum damage! Useful because you have to lose the arm to lose the weapon, cant get it kicked out of your hands or anything.

the beam saber missile is simply a beam saber on a missile. Guarenteed to go right through that pesky magellan!

The heavy Beam Gatling, was a truly astounding idea for increasing Dakka, which was basically a backpack located set of powerplants dedicated to powering a set of 4-6 beam rifles on a heavy weapons platform(think of it as like the turrets from halo 3 you can pick up and carry around, only designed for that with a backpack powerplant)

the beam missile is a missile that on contact shoots off like the equivalent of 7 or so single shot beam rifles. Intended for destroying heavily fortified positions, lunar titanium based defenses/doors. I would love to see Amuro try and block that with his shield.

>captcha "University embaso" what?

>>13116604
>the beam saber missile is simply a beam saber on a missile. Guarenteed to go right through that pesky magellan!
This sounds like a pretty big waste of money to be honest. The others, meanwhile, have potential if only in selective deployment.

>>13116477
>For Zeon. I don't recall ever seeing anything indicating accelerated MS development on the Feddie's side of things.

In the cannon timeline the Federation deployed ~40 RGM-79[G] GM Ground type Mobile Suits and some experimental Gun Tanks at Oddessa. Other than that the entire offensive used overwhelming numbers of conventional forces. The standard GM had not entered production yet (supposedly, I personally believe they were being held in reserve) and things like the GM Sniper II's like we fought at Odessa didnt enter service until mid December.

When we were evacuating from the semi-failed sandstorm ambush on the White Base in Arizona a second Assault Carrier showed up. At that time what had to have happened was that they transferred the Learning computer data already present in the Gundam to the other carrier which returned to Jaburo. Added to that was the data the Bandit most likely collected when he escaped from our battle in Canada in a Core fighter.
As soon as they had to the two sets of data they must have begun GM production ASAP. If the info we stole in Jaburo was any indication they must have built about... 6-700 Mobile Suits total before we blew up the production block.

All in all the GM's we've been fighting likely dont have as much combat data in them from the Gundam as in cannon. Thank god for that, it means they wont be prepared for the Jet Stream Attack.

>>13116604


Actually, the beam gatling sounds like a promising main weapon for a musai refit.

Maybe something to think about.

>>13116722
>In the cannon timeline the Federation deployed ~40 RGM-79[G] GM Ground type Mobile Suits and some experimental Gun Tanks at Oddessa. Other than that the entire offensive used overwhelming numbers of conventional forces. The standard GM had not entered production yet (supposedly, I personally believe they were being held in reserve) and things like the GM Sniper II's like we fought at Odessa didnt enter service until mid December.

To elaborate, if you don't mind Arty: There were over one hundred GMs at Odessa this time around. More than twice as many as in the canon assault. Not to mention that they had those damned Dodai ripoffs. though I don't know if they had those in canon, it's still fucking annoying. And now we find out that there are ~150 GMs in space now, which is what we're fighting against now. Only a week and a half or so after Odessa. So yeah. If that ain't increased production, I don't know what is.

>>13116893
apologised at one point said there were more than 400 Fed MS at Odessa this time.

>Not to mention that they had those damned Dodai ripoffs. though I don't know if they had those in canon, it's still fucking annoying.
I actually found out what those were.

>The RGM-79KC GM Interceptor Custom is a variant of the RGM-79SC GM Sniper Custom. It first appeared as a part of the MSV-R line.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/RGM-79KC_GM_Interceptor_Custom
The thing is, get this, THEY'RE ONLY EVER SHOWN AS BEING USED IN SPACE!

I must admit through that they probably have enough thrust to stay airborne for a few minutes.

>>13117120
>400

Okay, ten times as many as in canon. Need we say more? They've clearly amped up production.

And fucking dodai ripoffs, going past our defenses. ALL OF MY HATE!

>>13116722
>>13116893
>>13117120
>>13117215
Increased production does not equate to accelerated development.

>>13117381
And development always takes time. Zeon's was hurried because we brought back Feddy tech that was already developed/under development, saving our eggheads the trouble.

>>13117381

No, but keep in mind that you're developement has been accellerated by taking prototypes and stealing research data, it has to be assumed that a certain level of that was happening as well.

Plus the Project V data was sent to Jaburo MUCH earlier than it was in canon. In canon I don't think it happens until they reach Dublin? Which is well after the America and Africa arcs of the story. Months ahead basically.

So you ended up with everything getting accelerated from that point.

>>13117420
So... because we were so successful, that's why everything is now so much worse?

>>13117420
Apologised, what do you think about the feasibility of the weapons i suggested, ignoring the beam saber missile, which was really just a joke.
Personally I like the integrated beam daggers the most because they would make us a lot more deadly at close range.

Also if everything is being accelerated, does that mean that the Gundam Alex is going to be finished soon? My grasp of the time line is not good at all.

Also what is the likely-hood of returning to Jaburo? Actually, a status update on Jaburo would be something very useful to us.

>>13117645
Its because they are being forced to fight smarter since we killed all of the stupid people, and anyone taking part in a stupid plan.

>So you ended up with everything getting accelerated from that point.
Oh balls.

>Knowing our luck, it will be Wyatt in the alex
Possibly, but I'm guessing it's unlikely. We've been getting some strong foreshadowing that Wyatt is tooling around in some Blue Destiny variant unit. So he'll be in some completely different flavor of hell for us to deal with.

Right now lets focus on killing the people in front of us instead of worrying about capturing a super-suit that we might not ever even encounter.

>>13117420
At least some new info/confirmation came out of this.

I don't suppose you can say how feasible swiping the Alex is?

Or maybe a better question would be if it's already been dispatched into the field since that makes the chances of grabbing it nigh-zero.

>>13117812
>worrying about capturing a super-suit that we might not ever even encounter
No one's "worrying" about it. I mentioned it in a "Wouldn't this be cool?" form & then whether or not it would be possible was discussed. That's not even in the same calling plan at worrying.

>>13114223
There's a what-if-video footage of Amuro giving Scirocco in the Messala a run for his money.

Alex vs Messala in space. The video eludes us to this day.

>>13117812
Its pretty likely we will encounter it, its a gundam and we are Natchmaren, one of Zeon's most elite teams. Its a sucker bet that the feds would send something like the Alex against us if they thought it could kill us. Even if they didn't send it after us, Garma would send us after it once it starts killing his soldiers. Nothing like Natchmaren to stop those damn pesky MS. (Canada mission I am looking at you) We are also so to speak the best ones for it, having the most experience with Gundam type MS, except for Char, but hes busy with Kycelia and Amuro.

>>13117847
What do you mean? We can take it down, it would just be a bitch and a half in the hands of a competent pilot. Heat rod electrocution ftw.

>>13117894
you were the anon that mentioned it this thread right? I think i had a plan for Jaburo that would likely have lead to us chasing the Alex.

Also, I would rather have a plan for dealing with it in advance, rather than having it blindside us at the worst possible time..... AND OH FUCK ITS PROBABLY IN LUNA-II!!!

Seriously, worst possible spot would be right in the middle of the upcoming battle. Also, its a new suit, so nobody would know that it was an ace yet. Hopefully Aplogised isn't looking for a TPK and the pilot won't be Wyatt or Amuro.

>OH FUCK ITS PROBABLY IN LUNA-II
Well, someone's gotta be in Luna II. IT 's the stronghold of the federation space fleets. They've got to have SOMEONE with some skills on their pegasi. I'm actually worried that we haven't seen any of their aces yet. I know it's only a diversion, but they could at least make it a credible looking one. Right now the only thing really threatening about this is the fact that we're outnumbered by their mobile suits 10:1 or so. It's kinda insulting, like they don't really respect us or something.

...Unless all of their aces are on Earth retaking all of our remaining territory simultaneously. Damn that Revil and his scheming plans.

>>13118200
Come to think of it, where ARE the Pegasi? There aren't any in the this breakout force, but there were supposed to be a few stationed at Luna II.
Did Revil pull them down to Earth for Operation K? Or are they still at Luna II, because this was just supposed to be diversion and he doesn't expect the Federation Space Force to be able to break out and doesn't want to waste the Pegasi?

>>13118352
We've been blockading Luna 2 though, right? So, if we're enforcing a blockade how could they have gotten their Pegasi down to Earth?

>>13118352
WAIT!

Something just occurred to me.

These dudes are 'breaking out', as in breaking a standing blockade that WE had up to keep ships from moving to and from Luna II freely. That means that even if we haven't been successful in blocking all of them, we should know roughly what their forces are inside. Unless they've been doing something tricksy like building more pegasi on site, which they might have been since Luna II is an old resource asteroid. I think I read that they were supposed to have some MS production there; ships aren't out of the question.

And if we haven't seen any coming or going, then that means that almost all of the pegs ARE on Earth causing problems. We really need to get some intel on where these things are and about how many of them they have. Let's put it on our list of things to bring next time we talk to Garma.

But! If there are no aces and there are no pegasi coming out to be diversionary it'll make our job of killing all of these dudes quickly that much easier. Not that things could ever go that simply for us.

>>13118747
But this does bring up the possibility that if we wreck Operation Star 1 enough, we might have a shot at Luna II, which is an even better target than Jaburo to bring the Federation to the negotiation table for a cease-fire.
It all depends on what percentage of the defenses of Luna II was used in this operation; if they used up most of their mobile defense assets and they only have static defense emplacements left, then we could have a good chance. Nachtmaren excel at taking out enemy capital ships, and if the Federation kept all of their aces and Pegasi for Operation K, then Luna II may be underdefended.
This could be a good opportunity, and if we can do it fast enough that neither the Federation or Gihren can respond, then we might be able to pull it off.

>>13118948
>40 Salamis Cruisers and 10 Magellan Battleships
This is probably less than half of the warships stationed at luna II. If I was running a diversion I'd send out just enough warships to make it look credible and run support for a VERY big mobile suit force intended to wear down our overall fighting strength. The MS units are going to be doing the heavy lifting in the fight anyway going up against our MS forces (and mobile suits tend to do a better job of wrecking warships than warships do) so ships are almost superfluous in space battles except as a means of long-range transport. Also, MS units are far easier to replace than a full warship, especially if they are gearing up multiple GM production lines and still have a hold on Salamis and Magellan units in favor of more Pegasi.

SO! I'd guess that they're going light on the ships and heavy on the suits. Whether or not this operation depletes the MS garrison at luna II enough to make an attack viable, we really can't say without more intel. Again, we really should talk to Garma.

If they really are just tossing a lot of fodder at us, then any aces and pegs they have are going to be waiting for us back at Luna II, but I'd be surprised if there were NONE. Canonically the Pegasus got shipped up to Luna II and quietly spent the war in dock, but with all the shuffling around we're been doing to the timeline it could be anywhere. It could have been the one we captured or one of the ones we blew up at Odessa. Do we have any model numbers for the ships we sunk there? Another thing to ask Garma, I guess.

Doesn't change the fact that we really need to kill like 90% of these guys, preferably before our own reinforcements get here so we might be able to pull off that luna II raid.

>>13119214
>It could have been the one we captured or one of the ones we blew up at Odessa.

That's right! The one we captured fought its way past the Luna II blockade and went into the shoal zones. That might have been Luna 2's only carrier. Then again it's not like they havent had time to build a couple more there. Still, the main yards for them are at Jaburo so if any entered we should know about it.

>>13119214

However, as far as we know, they really can't replace significant losses from the luna 2 contingent, at least, not without us knowing about it. and we know we trashed the magellan and salamis shipyards back in our first attack on jaburo, so even trashing a good portion of this force could make an attack on luna 2 feasable.

>>13119480
That's actually almost kinda disappointing. The Pegasus Class was less of a cohesive design and more of a long sequence of massive revisions and upgrades to a common basic layout, with each one being more developed that the hull before it. It would have been ice to have snagged one of the more developed ones. It does seem likely that that was the one we captured though. But if that WAS their principle carrier and Captain Cantstratigy was the prestigious dude they gave it do, It'd be strong evidence for my 'luna II garrison is dildos' theory.

>Then again it's not like they haven't had time to build a couple more there.
There were seven carries are Odessa. SEVEN. In the original timeline they only were able to build NINE, and that's counting the Albion (which wasn't completed until UC 0083) as well as the Thoroughbred, Grey Phantom, and Stallion which aren't supposed to have even been launched yet.

>Still, the main yards for them are at Jaburo so if any entered we should know about it.
Luna II had some MS production lines. Building warships could be possible given the raw materials available and the presence of drydocks that could be converted into construction bays, but it's a lot harder to set up a production system for an entirely new class of ship. It would be one thing if they could use Salamis and Magellan assemblies in some kind of United Maintenance Plan for ships, but the Pegasus seems like too different of a machine for that to work and they'd need a standardized design to work which, which the pegasus doesn't have. Then again, if they're just building way more they might have decided to go with a more rigidly defined architecture and hang the tinkering.

It's unlikely that they've built any of their own on site, but it's not impossible.

>Still, the main yards for them are at Jaburo so if any entered we should know about it.
This is one of the few things that is giving me comfort right now. I am now waiting for this happy assumption to go and get itself brutally murdered.

>>13119783
We didn't just trash it, we caused them to shut it down all together. I can't find the exact thread where we talked about the results of our first Jaburo raid, but I remember Apologized talking about them shutting down all Salamis and Magellan production to work on more Pegasi (which is why we're seeing so many of the bastards). But it also means that each Salamis and Magellan that gets sunk is not going to be replaced over the course of the war.

>>13119940


Though, presumably, IF they are building their own ships, it's not in any significant quantity, which would still make this attack an investment of equipment they can't easily replace. Similarly, they Can't replace lost ship crews in any kind of good order, assuming the blockade holds.

.... Which, circling back to what David would know (Like that Luna 2's been under blockade, that the Federal troops now own odessa and are on the attack, and that there's really only a few good targets) would indicate this attack has twofold purpose. First, It's diversionary, Either to lock down our fleet so they can shift assets in the earth AO for an attack on north america, or to get more forces in orbit- either way, we should be pushing for increased patrols over the earth, trying to at least get an idea of shifting federal troops. Secondly, it's a probing attack- they're looking for (and may have already found) a weakness in the blockade. If it forces a breakout, so much the better for them.

Two things we can all agree on- it's not enough of their forces to do anything but slightly weaken the fleet, and even then, not enough to make an attack feasible from our end. We have to maintain enough force to set up a blockade of earth if we take out the federal space forces. if we win, but don't have any force left, it's pointless. Second, that they're up to something other than what it just looks like on the surface of this thing. I mean, it's classic strategy- focus the enemies attention somewhere else, and make your moves.

A little off topic but I've been looking at the Act Zaku again. After the disaster with the Gelgoog sabotage why didnt they do a limited production run of the Act Zaku? It could basicly fill a ranged beam weapon role opposite the Gyan's close combat ability. The two suits would have complimented each other nicely. The only problem would have been in finding pilots with enough experience or reaction speed to make the best use of them. Still if you're only building a half dozen you should be able to find the pilots. Imagine what kind of difference that could have made at Odessa having another bunch more people with beam rifles running around?

>>13120335
Maybe no one honestly thought to?

I could've sworn we were running around in what was considered the only combat-capable one.

>>13120209
It's obvious from the Omake that Operation Star 1, the attempted breakout by Luna II's garrison, is a cover for Operation K on Earth.

The real question that we need to ask, especially in-character, is if this attack has depleted the Luna II defenses enough that we could mount a successful attack with the incoming reinforcements.
If we are successful, then we could redeploy the Luna II Blockade Force to blockade Earth and prevent them from getting more forces into space.

>>13120209
Well, besides California, what else do we have on earth worth spending a lot of troops and equipment on? I know we have forces on the Rio Grande line and Ghiren has dudes in Africa, but beyond that I'm drawing a blank.

Even if they left a majority of their garrison inside Luna II, 100 mobile suits and 50 ships has to be a sizable percent of their forces, and out of all the major targets in the war I still think Luna II is the place where we can make the most difference at this point. While I wouldn't be surprised if there was a peg or two on standby, with the blockade we should at least know about them and be able to plan how best to take them out. It's not Pegasus-killing isn't a specialty of ours by now.

I think the blockade's main weakness in this situation was that they simply got outnumbered (45 Mobile Suits, 10 ships, 100 fighters vs 100 mobile suits and 50 ships + MAs and fighters). ...Which might suggest that they sent out more MS forces than the defenses could reasonably stand give up.

They wouldn't send out any more ships (unnecessary for a diversionary raid and they probably want to hold them in reserve for assaulting Solomon or Pezun) but MS units can be replaced given time (easy and cheap when compared to ships) and I'll bet they figure they have plenty time sitting behind Luna II's unchallenged stationary guns. They make a lighting raid out, wreck our shit, and then dash back to cover just before our reinforcements show up. This deals a significant blow to our own fleets (if it works) AND acts as a distraction for Revil allowing him to work elsewhere without any additional interference.

>>13120464
I don't think reinforcement from Earth is going to be an immediate concern. Revil's first priority is likely to get Zeon off of Earth. Once that's done and he's reorganized the forces from C. America and Canada and Africa (And Asia? E. Europe? Fuck, that's a lot of dudes) and somehow found HLVs to fit them all in, THEN he'll come after us. Revil will want something a bit more tactically sound than a big rush for the spaceports. Luna II's orders are likely 'cause trouble, and then HOLD'. Even if we lose overall with the current operation we should have a little time before the shit really hits the fan.