I do not fucking care what you write after this point. If you publish this as a campaign setting for any system, I will pay you good money for it.

>>7899293
and I will xerox this mans copy

>>7899303
And I will buy two copies to make up for it! DO IT FAGGOT.

>>7899293
Seconded. Roma Eternia bitches!

>>7899282
YES FUCKING YES

Automatic weapon Legions, and Roman space battles!

FUCK YEAH

...FUCK YES.

LET'S GET THIS THREAD GOING.

Even now, Roman politics are still the same; corrupt and deadly. Tyranny is as common as the Democratic Party.

What exactly do you need? You say world building, but do you want geopolitical?

Obviously Rome would be the main powerhouse. The real question is would Rome rule all under one banner, or would it use proxy nations for far off lands like mid and south Africa.

>>7899355
That doesn't matter we have COMBAT ROMANS

all things are awesome!

>>7899282
>Please help me flesh out this setting.

get a latin dictionary.

start figuring out what common words would sound like in latin.

keep regular vernacular for the sake of being easy to play with out learning the language but change things.

this is because ROME conquered the world stamping out the other languages, but picking up cultural tidbits.

Well you've got my attention, but who does Rome run into once they get outside their planet system?

>>7899282

I approve sir. This is indeed a marvelous concept, one which I dare say could garner a great deal of support from the indigenous life here about. Now, do they still use older tactics with new technology? With a minimization of wars and the like how high is their military tech? How much of their original (see recognizable) culture remains in the face of close to 3 millennium's development?

The Roman Legions are famed for their discipline and loyalty to their general. Because of the length of space-wars, it is often that a general and his troops will be gone for 200 years or more, and return to a world much different than their own. Because of this, Roman society tends to be conservative, constantly reverting back to older trends despite adopting new technologies, as powerful injections of newly wealthy military men from the past return in force to effect society.

>>7899385
they don't you can run it like shadowrun.

or you can have intergalactic republics to trade with/fight

Rome now towers two hundred stories into the sky and five hundred beneath the earth.

>>7899381

This sounds about right. Light use of latin, or even going the 40k route and making up words with a latin lilt to them to make up for the new jargon of the 27th century.

>>7899385
A Spacefaring race of wealthy traders who desire dominance over the Medi... Mediaether. The Carthiginoids.

>>7899415
no; fuck 40K's 'gothic

go fucking Latin
http://www.freedict.com/onldict/lat.html
you are all now imagining what the halls of science in this new Rome would look like.

>>7899397
This answers the question as to why Rome still looks like Rome. They advance technologically, but are constantly harkening back to older days. It's like if 50,000 18th century industrialists showed up in New York today, top hats and petticoats would be back in fashion in a nanosecond.

>>7899443

yes... perhaps your correct and that route should be avoided at all costs. After all it is somewhat likely that there will be power armour in some capacity, and that it will be in the hands of legionaries.

>>7899446
fuck yes

white fluted columns EVERYWHERE

Science is something closely guarded by the Roman aristocracy. Scientists and engineers are paid handsomely by the upper classes to create their war engines.

Most of the common people are considered, by todays standards, to be wage-slaves. The only way for social mobility is through service in the legions.

>>7899474
dammit you bring to mind the battle-cry of Rome

for the emperor...

rolled 4, 6, 3 = 13

The world is but a province. The moon is but an outpost. Mars and Venus, once god and goddess, are more of the same; brief stops in the infinity that is Rome. Great, ornate gates link every corner of the Empire through the vastness of the unseen, finding paths deep-set in the blackness of eternity. All the galaxy is Rome, for Rome is not a city, or a state, but a people. Rome is humanity and all its works, made manifest against the unending canvas of the cosmos. Rome is.

Rome is.

>>7899446
so.....no pants. kilts, tunics, and togas are all the rage still.

chariot racing is still very big.

also strange new animals are constantly being shipped back to earth to fight and die in the arena.

>>7899501
no......for Roma. The emperor is but her servant.

This idea is to Machina Dei as 40k is to WHFB.
Not to say this is a bad thing. Just an observation.

Who would the legionnaires fight, if the world was united under Rome rule?

>>7899487
doesn't seem very Roman.

>>7899546
THE GODS THEMSELVES!!!

or other sentient/hostile/irritating civilizations

>>7899546
barbarians.....the void is full of em.

>>7899508
Togas were actually horribly uncomfortable, Caesar had to pass a LAW forcing people in office to wear them, because otherwise they'd just show up in the Roman equivalent of jeans and a T-shirt.

rolled 4, 1, 1 = 6

>>7899546
All that is not Roman. All that does not bow to Rome. All that Rome marks its enemy.

>>7899502
Rome invents the stargate.

>>7899405
>>7899546
Do I hear Space Celts????

>>7899583
and space vikings
and space ninjas
and space Comanches
and space democrats
etc.
etc.
etc.

>>7899546
Might be that returning armies of Romans, having become so loyal to their general, and being greeted with a world that is foreign to them, attempt to carve their own tiny empires out of the larger one. Rebellion is frequent, and often times generals successfully retake Holy Rome herself, replacing the top of the pyramid, and effecting a wave of small, but noticeable change.

rolled 4, 3, 1 = 8

>>7899578
Solis Porta and Astrum Porta. Sun Gates are orbital; they link planets to one another and various in-system locations. Star Gates are massive, so expensive that only the most affluent systems have more than one. They link systems to each other, and to the bases in deep space.

I remember Mythic Entertainment were working on an mMO that had this exact concept. Looked fucking awesome.

>>7899607
obvious logical conclusion.

give me a minuteor two and I can whip up some army details for you since I had a setting like this, but in a fantasy setting

OH MY GOD

YES FOREVER

I wish I was coherent enough to contribute to the sheer amazing this oozes.

>>7899633
OP here, I approve of this idea. I was thinking that the setting should be focused on Rome and Sol, not galavanting around the rim picking fights.

Should planet names remain the same? Or would the other planets (and dwarf planets) in system get different names?

SPQR. Forever.

Amazing how the abbreviation alone can stir the heart of a man who lives a couple thousand years afterwards.

>>7899633
Three or four space elevators per world (with an appropriate name for them of course) would suffice to make travel between planets relatively cheap and easy, actually.

rolled 5, 2, 5 = 12

>>7899739
The planets' names are already Roman, aren't they? I would think that dwarf planets, asteroids, etc. would be named after Roman generals, scholars, politicians, or religious figures as they were discovered.

A couple of things that should be noted about Roman culture

First: Republic or Empire will be a massive choise you'll have to make

And if you choose Empire you'll have th choose what kind of emperor: early emperors were NOT completely divine. August came to power due to a combination of heritage, political strenght and military strenght
They cept controll over the general populace by being popular and an unpopular emperor (ex. Nero) would be overthrown

Later emperors were divine though.

Now Romans were practical people. They were engineers not philosophers. And this would in fact allow for fast technological advances. They wouldn't have a dark age.

They were also open towards other cultures, as long as they accept roman rulership. They were also not cruel towards conquered cultures. Their form of keeping controll over entire cultures in the long run was infusing them with roman values due to military posts etc. etc.

On slavery. There were a lot of different kinds of slaves.
You had the mineslaves: mostly criminals and other kinds of scum. Their lives were miserable.
Same goes for the ones on the boats and other kinds of nameless work
However slaves personally owned by people often had it relatively good. In later empirial days it was not uncommon for them to be able to gain enough money to buy themselves free. The children of the free slaves were usually seen as citizens equal to lower ranking romans.

In Roman society a fit population is a happy population. Training for the Legions starts young, as Children enter Ludus Seccundus they would be tgiven proper educations in mathematics sciense and physical training as well as self defense training. Upon graduation ever able bodied Roman must spend time in the Auxiliaries ( reformed of course sorta like the National guard) and be trained in Basic military training. After a two year service citizenship is awared to all romans. Should he or she wish to continue their service in the grand Roman armies he or she can join the Proud expeditionary forces, the Legionaries.

Unlike the Auxilleries, the Legions are well equipped, armored and supplied. Every soldier is worth 10 of any other. Well disciplined and trained the Legions are kept at their physical peek through extensive medical and physical conditioning. the Life expectancy ( off field) for a Legionaries is double that of the average citizen.

rolled 4, 5, 6 = 15

>>7899759
That may be true, but I'm assuming it's cheaper to produce orbital gates, perhaps for the reason that they transport you instantly, instead of forcing you to spend a month or two in transit on a conventional vessel.

Divum Culmen. Sky Pillar. The solid link between the spheres of earth and wind. The transit line from planet-bound metropolis to blackened void. Beautiful view, better drinks.

Just so you know, galaxy isorbis lacteus, via lactea is also mentioned, I believe that is Milky Way. Also porta is gate, but it is only city gate.

>>7899841
maybe add the original legionaire deal to that

serve for a certain (around 20 I thought) years and get a nice spot of land and a small home for you and your family

If they are dealing with overpopulation and massive cities with skyscrapers (romans invented flats for common people, so it aint that unlikely) it would be a very attractive deal

The Legions are equpided with the Upto the minute atest and greatest weaponry such as the MK105 " Gladius" Piston powered Assault rifle with a 30 round magazine

The shoulder mounted Anti Armor weapon the MT-8 "pila" capable of hitting a target hundreds of meters away with laser like precision
and the ever faithful side arm the K-10mm " Pungam"

Each Legionare is equiped with the state of the art Lorica Arimedia. Tisghly wozen cloth fibers capable of absorbing the force of any projectile weapontry, reinforced with a ceramic stopping plate which also works to catch any penetrating bullets as well as dissipate any energy based heat weapons.

The full armaments of each legionaire weighs in at roughly 40 pounds unloaded and up to 75 pounds fully loaded, a staggering 30 pounds less than the previous Lorica Imperiva which was simply a steel vest with pockets, though the Impervia can still be seen in use by more heavy demand jobs in the legion such as "standard Bearers"

>>7899798
Heron started his industrial revolution 300 years before Constantine ever existed, so I expect the Rome would still be a Republic, or would have reformed (though perhaps still had a figurehead) in the 2000 years hence.

Earth cultures are still somewhat intact, and have seen resurgences since off world colonization took off. So alongside the Roman pantheon, Norse and Celtic mythology, Native American (north and south, note that America wouldn't be named America) exist. Alien cultures, should they be hanging around, are similarly added in.

Slavery never completely goes away. Or, it does, but eventually comes back as Corporations come into existence. Slave owners are responsible for the well-being of their contracts, and do pay the slaves a stipend. Hard labor is mostly done by robots anyway.

rolled 6, 3, 3 = 12

Aer-Vas. The mighty ships of the air, filling the sky from the towering city of Holy Rome to the smallest Antarctic village. Carrying everything from people to raw materials to entire other vessels, running at all times to all locations. Rome has conquered the air, and now extracts its tax from it. Nothing restrains the people.

rolled 2, 5, 2 = 9

>>7899960
Would Christianity have become a world religion?

>>7899960
300 years before constantine there would still be the option to choose either

The emperor 'vibe' was something that could be felt for around 100 years before August. It was a time of social unrest: the republic wasn't working all that well anymore, corruption common and popular figures gaining more and more support with the general populace

If the revolution was set in that age there could be some...interesting consequences involving civil wars etc.

>>7899960
wait, you think Constantine was the first roman emperor?
Please look into a fellow named "Julius Caesar"

OP, make sure not to impliment the edict of Caracalla - he made everyone citizens, which meant joining the roman army to become a citizen was no longer needed for those in the provinces.

>>7900012
Christians have waxed and waned for centuries in the SPQR. They have settled colonies like everyone else, but there are still plenty of splinter groups (especially in Rome) that insist that interstellar governance is a sign of their End Times. The worst of them are terrorists, hijacking Aer-Vas and threatening system Porta. Most Christians are well behaved, but they have an disproportionately bad reputation.

New Bethleham is their largest extra-solar colony. One SPQR ship makes the trip a year, mostly to collect taxes and ferry Senators back and forth. The world is not an especially attractive one, but a Fish-shaped canyon which can be seen from orbit made it choice property.

you guys know there was some MMO based on this exact idea? OP is a thief and you're all idiots.

>>7900012
Probably not.
Seeing as Rome would not be divided, there would be no battle at the Milvian Bridge, and once the persecution stopped, christianity would be just another religion in the plethora of the empire's cults.

rolled 5, 6, 6 = 17

>>7900127
I like it.

>>7900145
Who cares? Fun is fun.

>>7900145
Thou art a negro of the spinning-rims variety.

>>7900095
No no, didn't mean to imply that. I just too the origination comments (a distinction between Republic Rome and Imperial Rome) to be more in-line with the Holy Roman Empire, and the period wherein Rome's executive was more limited.

Besides, after 2000 years of development, the Republic would eventually be the more sustainable government anyway.

>>7900145
Oh yes, we'll all stop now because of some shitty, ancient, obscure MMO. Troll harder or GTFO.

You think MMOs invented alternate timelines?

You, sir, are the idiot.

>>7899922
That too

Every Loyal legionnaire is expected to follow one of many career paths in the legions
Armsmen, the backbone of the legions, these hardy fighting men and women take on the most combat intensive jobs. though constantly on the front lines fighting for the Glory of Rome they differ from other branches as the required length of service for their stipends is only 5 years

The Centenarians, These veterans of many battles make up the stormtroopers of any legion battle force. Their jobs demand a lot from them but they are up to any task. Though histricaly Centruians were comanders of the centuries, many military reforms have placed them in equal standing to officers, but they still can fill the boots of the common armsmen. Usualy called upon to negotiate tough fortifications Centruians are famed for their use as first strike troops. Thus their motto Prima Pungna (First to fight)

Then we have the Praetoria, the most elite fighting force in the legions. Tasked with holding off impossible odds. These soldiers are hand selected from the best of each branch. Though once a soldier is picked to be a Praetorian he must undergow specialized training. each training session take about 6-8 weeks in which the soldier will be tested and tried to their limits. The end result is a fighting force that have never surrendered or ever been beaten. When the Praetorians hit the field victory is near. Though Praetorians are considered at an end of their contract and given their estates and wealth, they continue to serve. But do not let the privilege fool you, The praetorians, are tasked with constant threats galaxy wide, and from within. Called to help with natrual and social disasters as well. to a Praetorian the fight is never over, only ceasefired.

Though many more jobs and opportunities are availible in other services such as the Legio Aeronautica. Consult your recruiter for more information on jobs availible that suit you in a field you want to work in.

Remember its everyones duty to make Rome a betetr place than what we were given.

>>7900182
So, let's say that after the murder of Julius Ceasar, the republic was reestablished, instead of Rome going into 'Imma be the emps now'.

>>7900182
I see, yes. I'd definitely avoid the whole holy roman empire thing for a setting like this.

in fact I'd probably recommend sticking with the republic, just to avoid wandering into grimdark 40k territory.

>>7900277
This setting is not GRIMDARK. It is GLORIOUS MIGHT. It is crystal spires and togas. It is electro-nets and cyborg collosi gladiators. Chariot races around the rings of Saturn. This setting saw GRIMDARK and conquered it for the glory of the SPQR. And still, all wormholes lead to Rome.

>>7900319
in the GLORIOUS MIGHTY Future there is only ROME

>>7900222
> Armsmen
these should be Auxila, fighting for the chance to become full roman citizens.
>Centenaries
IMO the Centuriata of Roman legionaries start here.

>>7900095
Technically The first emperors never went by the name Emperor, only the later ones did that

They were the Princeps Senatus

The first of the senate. This name was chosen as a result of a political play. The Senators still appeared to hold power, they still appeared to be in 'controll' but it was all to fool the empire.

Julius Caesar had the title Dictator for life. A dictator in roman ages did not have a negative connotation. It was a 6 month position given to one of the 2 consuls to give him the ability to negate the other ones veto right. It was only given to consuls in times of war/crisis and normally only for 6 months

Roman politics were like a play. Constant deception, never knowing who to trust.

Even most later expansions of the roman empire were just a way to gain popularity. And this is for me the best way for rome to conquer the planet: 2 very powerfull figures each on a conquest to annex as much land as they can thill eventually the empire grew so big other countries could no other then bow before it

Although certain countries would not go down without a fight. Countries like Japan or China with a huge honor sense would try to hold out.

But even without steam technology the roman legions of those days were the most powerfull fighting force. Disciplined, technologically advanced, loyal. To put in perspective: 10.000 romans destroyed and army of 100.000 barbarians without losing even 1000 men

And no japan would not hold out, no a katana would not just slice open an entire legion if the romans met a samurai they'd shoot it from far with a ballista or even better some steam powered ballista.

>>7900277
I think a system like the early emperors is also viable

It doesn't have the whole divine emprah thingy, they ruled by popularity.

And the republic would have to be cleaned out a bit: around the last days it was incredibly corrupt. A healthy dose of corruption, backstabbing and political play is allways fun, but things were getting past the fun part

>>7900380
Japan was still in the stone age when Heron invented his machine, and didn't start processing iron until... the 9th century AD? It's had a short history. The question is, would the Romans even bother, except to do as they did for the early invasions of Britain and go over for the weekend just to prove that they could.

>>7900380
No katana need apply, all of Earth was Roman by the third century CE (1000 RF.) Asia, Africa, even Oceania are just large geographic blocs on Earth. They work for the Republic just as much as the Sea of Tranquility does to farm sunlight on Luna, and Cydonia and the Iani Chaos do on Mars.

>>7900450
if the empire was instituted doubtfully, August himself said: this is enough if we get any bigger we're in trouble

And most emperors listened to that guy...man was pretty smart.

Although if the senate existed...

Say some guy is trying to become popular. He's a newcommer who rose fast in roman politics but now hes up against one of the 'old dogs'. He isn't good enough at political plays to win. However he has a loyal army

And there's this small island. Now wouldn't it look good to the people if he went in and claimed it? After all its a rich country, unique locations and besides the people like a good victory
Also the only reason I added that japan thingy was to prematurely stop anime fans from going all samurai on my ass

>>7900380
Or use a pilum.

Idea.
Say, Rome conquers ancient China. The chinese, as usual, assimilate. Chinese bureaucracy proves to be very effective, and chinese administrators, clerks and office workers are very sought after. Two hundred years later, the offices of Roma Aeterna are alive with the sound of Mandarin, the second language of the Empire. While Latin remains the universal language, official matters at the lower level of things are spoken about in Chinese.

>>7900561
sounds kinda like firefly

>>7900561
Also, the romans adopt the chinese system of state exams, but apply it all over, from tax offices to the legions.

>>7900589
How is that a bad thing?

>>7900509
STEAM Pilum!

>>7900499
No harm, no foul on the East. And while August may have made those remarks, he didn't have an industrial revolution just around the corner to explode the prowess of the Empire. But back to the future.

The Star Gates look like massive Pantheons. Marbled columns and long 'A' shaped roofs (on the "top" and "bottom".) Ships pass through and are accelerated through a channel of space to another Gate at more than 10,000c.

>>7900561
I don't know about that, roman bureaucracy was also rather efficient for those ages. With written laws, state courts, official departments. Also I don't think it would replace latin. It could however gain a higher position. Simular to Greek. In that it was often spoken in higher circles

And a lot of the Chinese culture would be added to the roman culture, making it easier for them to join. So maybe indeed mandarin, being a very prominent language would get a better then average position. I don't think it would replace latin.

>>7900614
Hm this could provide a very interesting simularity with the triumph gates.

On each conquered planet 1 extremely ornate Gate is built to link that planet to the glorious empire through which the armies slowly go

>>7900636
Perhaps a will to explore across the Atlantic and Pacific was lacking for much of the development of the SPQR after it conquered everything on that half of the Earth. So, Cherokee, Creek, and Salish, as well as Mayan, Inca, and Aztec culture develops along largely similar lines until it is eventually encountered by Vikings and brought into the Republic.

They now all control off world colonies.

OP, I just wanted to give you a high-five, since for a steam-punkish webcomic a friend and I are developing, you and I picked the exact same divergence point.

Granted, I had his invention catch on much more slowly, so that Rome still "fell", though it was more a puttering out.

Still, aeolipilemind.

>>7900636
Miscommunication. What I intended was for Mandarin to be the 'office-language'. Most of the office workers and officials would speak it, many terms related to government would be adaopted from chinese and os on.

>>7900860
I'd say maybe some terms are adapted from mandarin but I think the main language would remain latin

both had pretty solid bureaucracy so there would be no need to switch language. Especially concidering the smaller alphabet would make it easier to learn people to write it and make official documents

And this would matter for the Romans...they were practical people first

Earth's main space Elevator is an elaborate revival of Trajan's Column and depicts life rising out of the ocean (where the elevator is anchored,) evolving into Dinosaurs, being extinguished, mammals rising, humans hunting, the founding of Rome and its accomplishments at exactly 100 leagues in the air. Above that the Aeolipile is depicted in passing at the beginning of the industrial period, all the way up to the invention of the wormhole generator at the top of the tower in an anchored orbital station.

Is this thread going to be archived?

Because it started great, and just got better.

>>7901007
OP here, I put it on sup/tg/ because I have to retire now. I'll collect some thoughts and revive it tomorrow.

I imagine Rome would eventually just adapt metric. It's simply that much more efficient.

The date system on the other hand...

>>7901147
they basically invented the modern calendar

And in numbers It would be likely the'll eventually adapt to the Arabic numbers after conquering them, maybe keeping the dates in ancient ways.

>>7900614

Strictly speaking there is no ftl, the gates work by bending space time between two points creating a shortcut. Only the very largest ships have sufficient generators to create their own wormholes, thus limiting non-gate interstellar travel to the military and some select few corporations. Since so few ships are capable of interstellar flight the control of the gates are of great strategic importance.

Gaels in space. Driven from their lands early on by the Romans, they fled. They hid among the populations of Rome and her conquests for many a century. When Rome entered the great void the Gael saw an opportunity and took it. Under the banner of "King" Duncan Innes the Gael swept seemingly from nowhere seizing one of the first of the Roman "slow-boat" colonization ships. They took to the stars in a manner befitting only a people so barbarous as them or the long pacified German tribes, tearing free from the crafts anchors using the sheer power of it's engines. They broke Terra's orbit long before any of Rome's own craft could get into position, and after that nothing would have been able to catch them. An ongoing joke in Rome is that the Gael crashed into a sun or that they got lost, but there is an underlying nervousness in the voices of older Romans when they make these jokes.

How about a religion? The Romans worshiped Mithras, which although, derived from a Persian god was a completely Roman religion. It was also an exclusively male religion which fostered militancy and discipline.

Moreover, we can also throw in Gnosticism, Hermeticism and Neo Platonism, each one with it own unique attributes to allow for sub factions.

>>7901667
Stoicism never became neo-Stoicism. Stoicism is still around as an accepted philosophy. This is a huge thing.

>>7901637
As a Scot? Yes.

>>7901637

I'm now thinking of a ship full of Pict raiders...

>>7901685

They got sick of waiting for a Stuart.

>>7901697
Woad becomes cybernetic tissue (still blue) highly resistant to projectile damage.

>>7901710

It's a specialized nanite-filled paste which upon open air contact hardens into a steel-like shell. It can be applied quickly and then allowed to to harden to form a very easily hidden body armor or worn under more traditional body armor.

>>7900969
That is awesome.

>>7901705
As a Stewart, I take offense to that.

What about Auxiliaries and aliens?

>>7901769
Assuming a much faster degree of technology expansion, it makes sense. The Stuarts weren't around till the 14th century.

>>7901769

Gael madness can last only so long before they are done waiting,

>>7901782
That's okay. We're Scotto-Norman lords anyway.

At least, we WERE...

>>7901775
Are there any aliens?

Nordic Marouders in SPACE

>>7901637

Wait, so what happened to the Germans exactly? Assimilation?

>>7900145
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythic_Entertainment#Imperator_Online
Canceled in 2005 now fairgame