Thirty years ago bro.

>>8859392
What he said.

Sorry to say, but yes.

Long live the postcyberpunk!

Not really. It's just more immediate than it used to be.

Sorry OP. This is 2010. Cyberpunk was 80s. Unless the live-action GitS movie, which I'm fairly sure will suck ass, causes a sudden revival, all that's left is a few phpBBs full of aspie simularians.

I'm afraid so, good OP. Eclipse Phase killed it, at least in my group.

>>8859417
This!

80s cyberpunk essentially died with the 80s and the crash of the Japanese housing bubble. So, 20 years ago.

Not dead, but diminished. If you're playing in a cyberpunk setting it'll feel like a retro future instead of a "likely" future unless you have great verisimilitude bending powers.

Not so guise.
img.megachan.net/cy/

We live in it, well except for the good stuff.

The only parts that are truly dead are the huge personal computers

I still like it myself.

But the popularity of science fiction in general has been on steep decline since the turn of the new millennium, if not even earlier.

We're living in the "future", but I don't think anyone would have expected it to be so profit driven and otherwise mundane.

We're living in a cyberpunk world in which "order" still exists.

>>8859516
So do I. I guess the problem was having an overly brainwashable general public.

Shadowrun is the most popular "cyberpunk" game out there nowadays.

You tell me bro.

Looked outside?
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/01/bionics/fischman-text

It is, but I don't mind!

I enjoy both playing wacky retro-futuristic cyberpunk where we all assume that by 2010, 30 years from now on, there will be people living on the moon, hovercars, etc. AND a more quiet, realistic 5 seconds into the future sort of game with hacking being toned down to what we can agree on as unix nerds.

It might be dead, but in a way old D&D is dead; it doesn't stop enthusiasts from enjoying it!

System shock, so good. I havent seen this picture for years

>>8859473

Which is funny, because a cyberpunk future could still be portrayed semi-believably. Maybe in the future, after being built up into a gleaming skyscape of glittering spires, Manhattan undergoes some really shitty real-estate bust and becomes a slum-covered warren of warring gangs and restless criminals. The once beautiful architecture decays into a gloomy and industrial wreck and futuristic luxuries give way to cheap electronic thrills and amoral vendors of shady knock-offs of designer drugs.

I mean, it would be hard these days to say "the future is going to be all net-jacking and punks with laser rifles", but even in a more optimistic scenario there will still be class divides, and there will be plenty of room to give lower class groups and areas that gritty cyberpunk feel.

>>8859584
Sounds like any midwestern city that was based on manufacturing.

>>8859516

>>8859476
It shuts down next week.

I think that robot arm can curl more than I can.

threads like this make me think we need a cyberpunkchan.

>>8859387
that pic is pretty cool

>>8859598

Exactly! You could always portray a future where the big markets that drive today's upscale urban areas- Real estate, money handling, oil- are compromised to the extent that manufacturing has in North America today.

>>8859639
I'd say "make one", but I doubt it'd survive without a large userbase to start with.

System Shock isn't cyberpunk, in case you thought it was. It's just plain sci-fi.

Eh, insomuch as a genre can die. Well, sub-genre.

>>8859603
Naw... not really anything to do with war.

Just science caught up.

But while we don't have atomic flying cars or things like that, we've got Phones that fit in purses... Music Players that fit into purses...

bourgeois women, it seems, is the driving force behind technological advances

Cyberpunk is still my favorite setting, second is a tie between post-apoc and spaghetti western.

I just wish I could find people to play shadowrun with :'c

>>8859661
The large userbase is right here.

Cyberpunk is motherfucking attitude.

Well, why does cyberpunk need to be a plausible future for the genre of fiction to continue? We're never going to have dorfs in reality yet fantasy continues.

>>8859699

How about some post-apoc cyberpunk western?

Cyberpunk's gone the way of the dystopias and post-apocalyptic literature. Sure, it crops up every now and then, but it's no longer relevant to the current situation.

>>8859699
How bout a post apocalypse cyberpunk spaghetti western?

>>8859727
Hey.

Fuck you.

>>8859387
I miss cyberpunk so much
and I didn't even grow up with it.
it is the best scifi

>>8859727
>>8859732
Great minds thi- no, wait, samefag.

>>8859728
oh god why do you make me cry

>>8859639
FUND IT

Why has scifi died?

>>8859780
I think the genre was flooded by kiddy shit that gave it a bad name and drove people away. Either that or it began to seem geeky to the mainstream cool kids.

>>8859780
The new starwars trilogy

>>8859769
SECONDAAAN

>>8859798
>began to seem geeky
>began

lol wut

Anyway, sci-fi is alive and well in video gaming.

>>8859802
Star wars prequel? Never heard of.

>>8859808
Let's do this seriously.

>>8859854
Actually, a scifichan would do better than a cyberpunkchan by far. But I agree, we should do this.

There's a Neuromancer movie being made

Too bad it's directed by a guy whose resume consists of Torque and some music videos.

SOMEONE MAKE CYBERPUNKCHAN NOW DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT

Died shortly after System Shock 2.

L-l-look at you h-hacker.

Cyberpunk is dead because we as a society are hella more optimistic about the future than in the 80s. (the Cold War is over, bro!)

It's gonna come back, though. The optimism is giving way to cynicism. Dust off the system in 10 years.

I don't think cyberpunk died. It just got mis-interpreted.

The "punk" part of cyberpunk to me always felt like general alienation rather than the actual "RoRoFightDaPowa" Rebellion shtick that drove CP into the ground.

To me Cybeberpunk is about How the world gets controlled by big systems, Megacorperations, Godlike AIs, Conservitive religions, Neofacist police states, Ect. Because of there size and structure however, they are unable to control the underside of things and have large blindspots.
The only way for them to cover these weaknesses is to hire people outside of the system to do there "dirty work", the things they won't/can't do.

>>8859897
I was reading until...
>CP

>>8859879
Anyone got any hosting space, then? Also, Wakaba or Futallaby?

>>8859897
Agreed.

>>8859896

Not necessarily. Now we just have post-apocaliptics.

>>8859897

To put this into words 4chan can understand, I propose a new __Punk: Rape punk

In a world where raping people puts them under your mind control, The world is controlled by networks or rapists making everybody there bitch.
However these rape networks are hiveminded and can't think individually or adapt. As a result, somebody who remains a virgin can get a job helping the rapists rape each outher.

However if he stops being useful, he gets raped just like everyone else and louses his individuality.

The important thing of cyberpunk is that the only way to avoid getting screwed over by the corps is to help them screw other people over.
And that hasn't died.

What has died is faggots in trenchcoats with neon Mohawks "FIGHIN DA MAN!", I say The Matrix was the last death throe of this.

>>8859963
We also have the perfect system for it already. FATAL.

>>8859963
I lol'd hard.

>>8859973

And Black Tokyo

>>8859940
Wakaba. And, what're free hosts for?

>>8859959
Now this is an interesting observation worth examining. Whether you were for or against "the system" Cyberpunk assumes there IS one. Not only are we not optimistic as a society, we are so pessimistic we believe that the only way to "fix" the system is to end all existing power structures and decide afterwards whether or not it's worth rebuilding it all.

>>8859999
Just one post and you'd have had it!

>>8859963

if you rape a rapist do you gain control of the people he raped?

Post humanism is more likely(at least with current technology) then cyberpunk, sorry bros, just people want realism these days.

>>8859879
That's what Megachan is for.
http://www.megachan.net/

\Cyberpunk\ \Steampunk\ \Mecha\ \Space\ \Science Fiction\ \Cityscape\ \Post-Apocalypse\

>>8860035
Yep, but Megachan shuts down next week.

Cyberpunk is about us losing our humanity and technology fucking us over. Post-apocalyptic settings is about war and us screwing the pooch so hard that we've basically ruined ourselves.

One negative future got replaced with an even more depressing, hopeless one.

>>8860026
Yes but this spreads your mind over two bodies. You have two bodies but start to get stupider and louse individuality as your mind mixes with the victims.

Only Virgins can think for themselves, and thus are useful for setting up ambushes.
If they fuck up however they will probably get raped.

>>8860051
And realistic. Technology makes things better, not worse.

>>8860051
Difference being that in cyberpunk you got DAT ATMOSPHERE. In post-apoc all you got was 12-year-old /x/ regs celebrating on a pile of bodies.

>>8859963
>trenchcoats = "FIGHIN DA MAN!"

Where did this come from?

>>8860048
WHAT!

>>8860092
And "DAT ATMOSPHERE" is also the biggest barrier for new players. Seriously, try to get into Shadowrun. Your brain will shut off as soon as you find out how many goddamn factions there are. On one continent. (LOL US Centrism)

>>8860090
Nukes are technology.

In post-apoc settings, mis-use of them completely destroys us. It's not about the tech itself, it's about mis-use of it.

>>8860110

>Implying most campaigns don't take place in Seattle anyways.

>>8860095
Cowboys wore dusters

>>8860110
Got into Shadowrun two months ago. New argument please.

>>8860090

It does both

>>8860003
Post apocalyptic however seems to assume that systems will collapse and the future will be full of Rugged individualism.

For all it's talk about GRIMDARK. Most PA seems to sound more like a /k/ SHTF, SKS INA WOODS style wankfest.

Leaving aside technology (which is admittedly half of what makes cyberpunk cyberpunk):

Dystopias are "we're going to have a bright future if we just avoid totalitarianism."

Post-apoc is "we're going to have a bright future if we just avoid wars and dropping the bomb."

Cyberpunk is "bright future? Fat chance."

>>8860164
Yeah.

I think cyberpunk and post-apoc are both rad.

>>8860003
Sci-fi and fantasy shows condition of our world for over seventy years. If not for thousands.
It implies, that democracy really isn't something that suits people, but it's only possible thing, right?

>>8859450

I *think* you meant Battle Angel Alita, actually.

condescendingsmirkface.jpg

...though the only reason I'm optimistic about it is because it's an adaptation of the first three volumes - so Cameron isn't writing it, just sticking awesome 3D all over the place. Plus there's no need for a painfully obvious Enviromentalism Message, like in Watchmen (gah, they had to cut bits out to put it in as well, scum), because it's pretty fucking obvious the Scrapyard sucks ass. /minirant

>>8859562

For good reason - ignoring every shitty book Catalyst have put out since Unwired (the worst) - it's funny though how William Gibson really dislikes it for getting magic in his dystopia.

Ah you're all a bunch of motherfuckers you know? I really want to play a cyberpunk campaign now, but there's no way that's happening in real time.

>>8860148
Makes sense.

>>8859699
You have my cybermuscles.

>>8860203
Actually, there're upcoming LAs for both, apparently.

reading one thread in megachan/cy/ there was the suggestion of infinity being a cyberpunk setting, thinking about it, it seems perfectly true.

Sure, looking from outside you have the corporations that drive technological advancement and supply the army that protects you, but for the people who live inside, wouldn't it be a hell if you haven't got the right connections?

There are megacorps that may have battles between themselves, an all-encompassing AI that may be benevolent, or a tyrannical oppressor, and god help you if you are near a warzone, with another country or the aliens.

Closest thing I've played to cyberpunk recently is Mirror's Edge, though it's not /tg/ related. On the same note, Dystopia is based on cyberpunk ran by some Aussies as a source engine mod.

>>8860203
> Ah you're all a bunch of motherfuckers you know? I really want to play a cyberpunk campaign now, but there's no way that's happening in real time

I would have GM'd a shadowrun game Friday but one of the players got grounded even though he's going to enter college in about half a year.

>>8860245
Dystopia is alright but I got a bit bored of the gameplay. The setting is pretty sweet though, pretty light on the J-cyberpunk (as in, some maps have neon signs with japanese wurds on 'em and the katana melee weapon). I don't really care much for J-cyberpunk.

I see it's already in the archive incomplete, but can someone archive (or at least save the HTML file and post it tomorow) this so I can see what develops? I need to go to work now.

How can it be dead?

We are living it.

>>8860245

When I play Dystopia I only choose the heavy class and minigun while Micspamming Heavy Weapons Guy sounds

also the Corp's color scheme looks really good on Tau.

I'm in a Shadowrun campaign; enjoying the hell out of it. It really all depends on the group you have. People who use Star Trek as the universal reference point for defining "futuristic" destroy games.

>>8860269

the archive is auto-updated until thread 404's

>>8860267
I used to play it until it got old as well. Probably could've sucked me in much longer if it had some more customization elements, or even tack on some lame RPG ones.

I disagree that CP is all that GRIMDARK.

Dystopia,
The systems will take over, there is no stomping them, the individual has not place in the new society. Shut up and take your drugs citizen.

Post Apocalyptic.
The systems will collapse under there own weight and take most of the worlds population/infrastructure with them. The Survivors will be a bunch of rugged individualists, the way god intended.

Cyberpunk is a third option.
Yes the systems control the world, but they have inherent weakness that the individual can exploit. Because of this the systems have to rely on people outside the system to do there dirty work.

Cyberpunk is not about the death of the individual but rather the interaction between the individual and the systems that control the rest of the world.

>>8860293
>spider bomb kill
>rocket launcher kill
>ion cannon kill
Trumped by FATTY FIST KILL
"I DON'T THINK SO SISTAH"-spam

Have you seen the news today? cyberpunk isn't dead, it is becoming reality. Corporations are becoming more powerful, high-speed internet and wireless are becoming ubiquitous, and cybernetics are rapidly advancing into the mainstream

>>8860284

This, pretty much. The only reason Cyberpunk feels dated right now is because we caught up with it. If people wrote about current scientific predictions, foreseen advancements in technology, and applied a generous helping of cynicism, we would have new cyberpunk.

>>8860293
Fuck yes, you have the best melee weapon ever. Nothing as satisfying as punching a guy standing 2 meters away with a hydraulic fist.

Whenever I'm on a good streak, all I hear is "my fist, your ass" as I keep taunting.

Oh and there's a new Deus Ex coming out

It might add to the genre's popularity even if it will be hated by everyone who played the original.

>>8860414

We will call.. Carbon Nanopunk.

>>8860414
We're still some way from having a sentient AI which is like the holy grail of many cyberpunk stories.

Then we also have the forming of mega-cities, such as an area in south-east China where several cities are growing together to form one giant 250-million inhabitant cluster within 10-20 years. With China's increasing capitalistic drive taking over, I think there are great grounds for cyberpunk stories to grow.

>>8860551
> China
> Megacity

I AM THE RAW

Well I still play Shadowrun fuck you

>The only reason Cyberpunk feels dated right now is because we caught up with it.

>People surfing the internet with their minds
>Japan bought everything
>Nations have collapsed
>Corporations rule
>People chop off their limbs for fun
>Killerrobots everywhere
>Everyone's either poor or lives in a gated community, most of these being owned by corporations

That's the world we're living in, man.

>>8860593
> Japan bought everything

Well that one feels dated because we now see that Japan will not rule the world anytime soon.

>>8860551
>sentient AI
>holy grail of cyberpunk
>not satan incarnate
what the fuck am i reading?

>>8860293

>the Corp's color scheme looks really good on Tau.

GUESS WHAT

THAT'S THE COLOR SCHEME I USE ON MY TAU

WHAT NOW

>>8860626

Yeah but any sort of color scheme looks bad on models painted by you.

>>8860593
>Japan bought everything
>Implying Japan doesn't have a giant national debt.

>With China's increasing capitalistic drive taking over, I think there are great grounds for cyberpunk stories to grow.

Not really. Even corruption and crime are a matter of gouvernment in China. Aka: If you're a runner, you're gonna work for THE MAN who also hunts you.
Chinese cyberpunk would basically be Cyber-Kafka.

>>8860618
Oh, the next american cyberpunk will be about Muslims taking over via their illegal Muslim-President and turning the USA into a muslim-nation with a huge christian underclass.

>>8860593

>People surfing the internet with their minds
This kind of technology isn't too far off.
>Japan bought everything
More like China bought everything.
>Nations have collapsed
Well, not really, but there's still a hell of a lot of war.
>Corporations rule
Pretty much.
>People chop off their limbs for fun
Got me here.
>Killerrobots everywhere
And here.
>Everyone's either poor or lives in a gated community, most of these being owned by corporations
Well, maybe not everyone, but a good portion of people.

Just wait until we run out of oil some 10-15 years from now. THEN WE'RE REALLY LIVING IN A CYBERPUNK WORLD.

>>8860648

Dude, you don't even know the Jap-fear that gripped the US during the 80s?

The Matrix oversaturated the cyberpunk genre (even though it's arguable if it can be classified as such it undeniably has lots of cyberpunk elements in it).

I always found that the high tech lowlife apect was the most interesting thing about it, not the sterilized monolithic corporation aspect.

When the fuck are they gonna make a Snow Crash movie?
The thing to love about it is how it doesn't try to build a plausible future, just a fucking cool one.

>>8860691
Why would I know it? I'm not American.

>>8860719

You are now.

>This kind of technology isn't too far off.

Yeah, only like an uncountable number of generations. Because the model we were presented with was: "3D GOOGLES IN YOUR BRAIN" which is a tad bit different from: "You now can learn how to move a cursor with the power of your mind."

>More like China bought everything.

More like we sold out to China.

>>8860745
weaver-toys in my brain make me little uneasy, anon

people really want that kind of thing?

yes and shadowrun killed it

>>8860745

>Yeah, only like an uncountable number of generations.

Science is trending towards speeding up, not slowing down. What won't be possible in 50 years today may only not be possible in 5 years a few years down the road.

>People surfing the internet with their minds
No but we do more interesting things in 2d than Gibson ever predicted with 3d.
>Japan bought everything
CHINA bought everything.
>Nations have collapsed.
>Corporations rule
The Corporations decided things were easier if they could let the nations think they were still in charge.
>People chop off their limbs for fun
>Killerrobots everywhere
Veterans come back from wars missing limbs. Fueling a market for advanced prosthetics.
>Everyone's either poor or lives in a gated community, most of these being owned by corporations
Pretty much.

Shadowrun was never Cyberpunk though. It never even mentioned cyberpunk anywhere in the book IIRC.

>>8860674

>Not really. Even corruption and crime are a matter of gouvernment in China. Aka: If you're a runner, you're gonna work for THE MAN who also hunts you.
Chinese cyberpunk would basically be Cyber-Kafka.

Near-future China would be an AWESOME cyberpunk setting.

Sure everyone is working for the Man in some way or other, but in such an old and ideologically bankrupt regime as the PRC the Man can be quite at odds with itself with several internal disputes.

Also Cyber-Kafka sounds totally awesome. Sorta like a less lethal more realistic version of Paranoia.

>>8860875
think you guys got 50 years left, anon?

>>8860855

That's funny, you're a funny guy.

>>8860890
Also UCAVs for the Killerrobot part.

>>8860855

>Science is trending towards speeding up, not slowing down. What won't be possible in 50 years today may only not be possible in 5 years a few years down the road.

Actually, that "speeding up"..it applys to microprocessors only. Actual science reacts to stuff like: "Do we even have a working theory?" and "Do we have monneis?" More science means less moneis for everyone, resuling in an acutal slowdown of research. There's also a complete lack of understanding how the brain creates images, which is a bit of a hurdle right now.

>No but we do more interesting things in 2d than Gibson ever predicted with 3d.

Suprise, really. RL is always more interesting and creative than fiction.

I am waiting for the day when I can buy Follistatin next to my creatine.

>Sorta like a less lethal more realistic version of Paranoia.

Actually, your characters would end up getting shot for no apparent reason. Or because they camped in a house a murderer used to frequent and the cops need somebody to present to court.

>Also UCAVs for the Killerrobot part.

Remote controlled guns do not qualify as berserk killer robots kicking cars on highways.

>>8861043
>Remote controlled guns do not qualify as berserk killer robots kicking cars on highways.
yet, but every one is betting the next generation of fighter craft will be robots.

>>8861072
not a big surprise man thinks of destroying itself every chance it can

how long before that day, anon?

Technology doesn't necessarily make things better. Despite the seemingly limited life of the Amish, they still have an extremely strong, close-knitted community.

Society has only been becoming more secular, which isn't a bad thing but we get shit like the sexualisation of children, pseudo-morality, desensitization and the break down of the community as people become more isolated.

tl;dr: Technology kills the spirit and soul.

>>8861133
I have no soul so I'm not worried.

>>8861133

Shouldn't that be the re-sexualization of children?

Yeah. I would say it's because we're living in 2010, and it's not fucking cyberpunk at all.
The dream is dead.

We're living in cyberpunk. All the shitty stuff that happens in cyberpunk with erosion of rights and the conglomeration of megacorporations? Yeah, all that stuff came true. The good parts where people get to fight back and win? Well, the parts where the governments of the world gets these crazy anti-terrorist powers and unpiloted secret drones and the will to poison dissidents and such on behalf of corporations, well those parts became extra true, so the cool stuff for the good guy people in cyberpunk didn't really come true, maybe the best of them are locked away in some secret US army base at the request of a powerful megacorp, as they busily tell their captors about their friends, and that they wish they had never done anything - maybe they haven't done anything, but they'll admit to it anyway after being manually drowned while blindfolded several times a week.

This thread has me wanting to run VtR in a Cyberpunk setting for some reason.

>>8859387
>Cyberpunk. Is it dead?
Are you dumber then shit?
Every year they produce comics, movies, books, and games that are set in cyber punk settings.

>which isn't a bad thing but we get shit like the sexualisation of children

Newfags wern't around back then and believe that history beings when they're around six, but the high age of CP and "childfucking will make for a better, more open and human society" were the 70s. You honestly don't want to go through magazins and add from that period, they're full of naked children and WTFISTHIS?

Cyberpunk is dead
Space Opera is dead
Time travel is dead
Psy powers is dead
But fantasy is still going...
RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE............

>>8861190
This is true.

Most people don't realize that we are going though a conservative reactionary period right now.

Simple. Kids these days would rather go to the pseudo-past Steampunk.
Steampunk killed cyberpunk

Currently playing Shadowrun.

So no.

>>8861190
That wasn't the norm, though. But if we look at western society only it's:
-Division of community. Breakdown of the family unit, multiculturalism causing a less united community/tensions, people opting to go on the computer over talking, open sexualization being the norm.
-Class divide between those who work at slave wages, those on welfare, those who lost their jobs to outsourcing or really cheap labor, the struggling rich/middle class and then the ultra rich.
-Highly fragmented, diverse amount of religions. (IE: There was no religious right, traditionalist etc back in the 50s and all)
-Aging societies with changing ethnic balances.

>>8861190

This is a horrible affront to our morals. I must obtain some of this damning literature so that I may rest knowing our society has improved.

>>8861246

>Conservative REACTIONARY period
>REACTIONARY

Goddamn, how did I not see this. Oh right, I'm a youngfag.

What exactly is being reacted to, and why is conservatism the paradigm that's reacting to it?

>>8861288
Conservatism is always the reaction, since acting against conservatism is action. Part of the definition of conservatism is that it is reactionary to change (often to reverse/minimalise it).

>>8861353

I see. Whenabouts did this current reaction start?

>>8861288
Most people seem to think that technology erodes morality and always goes in a straight line till eventually we are walking around naked and having huge orgys in the street with free drugs for everybody.

This is 100% not true.

More accuracy Liberals and Conservatives constantly move back and forth, we had a sexual revolution in the 60s 70s but the AIDS epidemic and conservative panic pushed us back.

Another revolution was in the 20s up until the great depression.

Really people just party less when bad shit happens.

*Science fiction integrity under imminent danger, initiating defensive protocol 124C 41+*
I
MUST
SHARE
THE HOLY WORD!.

POSTMODERNIST ALBUQUERQUIAN PROG ROCK STYLE DECONSTRUCTIONATIONISM IS TOTALLY DEAD, UNLESS YOU COUNT ITS RECONSTITUTED DEFIBRILLIATATRONIZED OFFSHOOT, RECONSTRUCTONKATOUGHINALISM

Here's how I play/write it.

Also those 'futures' that we predicted? The Steampunk Empires, The Atomic Americas, Bleak Big Brother States, New age of Aquarius and Cyberpunk Corporations.

They all exist in some parallel stream of time. They probably visit and compete with each other, lost futures battling to survive against the tide of normal history. And battling to influence our time, to steer down the 'proper' path of history.

>>8861133
>tl;dr: Technology kills the spirit and soul.
Yeah! Look at all those people before modern technology! They lived happy carefree lives! There was no war murder crime or nasty shit at all!

>This is a horrible affront to our morals. I must obtain some of this damning literature so that I may rest knowing our society has improved.

Sorry, I can't tell you what the: "Boyfucking, it's aaawright"-books were called, but 80s "artful" pedomaterial is still being sold. The nudes of Brooke Shields by Gary Gross would be an example, but there was another dude, can't recall his name right now...his whole career was basically softcore fanfic photos of little girls. Even made a movie about that.

>>8861490
That sounds like your Infinite worlds campaign.

>>8861490

That's an easy way out and retarded.

>>8861583
Google "Brooke Shields by Gary Gross"
Obtain Legal CP

>>8861204
Teenager mutants are kinda dead too, everything we have this days is more or less a rehash of the old stuff..

>>8861583
So common you can name, individually, the people on the entire Earth who are famed for doing it.

>>8861583

There is a japanese movie called The Emperor Tomato Ketchup.

You may google it for more info.

>>8861592
Damn right.

>>8861599
Whats wrong with an easy way out? I suppose you want me to break down the door instead of open it?

>So common you can name, individually, the people on the entire Earth who are famed for doing it.

I actually have plenty of other things on my mind besides remembering who exactly got the flak when everyone started: "OMG PEDOPHILES" at the beginning of the 90s.
I take a general interest in the subject as part of history but it's not something I'd either fap to or would make a living on.

OP>So, /tg/. Cyberpunk. Is it dead?
Last post few posts > Child porn

What the hell guys?

>>8861678
Art is produced by few individuals, but only exists because it is supported by society.

These people made money off of what would now be considered child pornography and didn't go to jail. Try doing that now.

Another case study. Google Virgin Killer, an album by the Scorpions released in 1976, the cover features a naked 10 year old.

>>8861794

CP by any other name...

>>8861794

Cyber Punk = CP = Child Porn

>>8861794
Simpler than it seem. Cyberpunk represents the degredation of society, people discuss if technology, one of the main organs of cyberpunk is the engine of degredation, a representative of this could be child pornography, so whether this is true is what is debated, from pre-cyberpunk (70s and before) onwards to probably now.

>Google Virgin Killer, an album by the Scorpions released in 1976, the cover features a naked 10 year old.

they had at least two of those covers, but probably more.

>>8861852
Wait, that's why it came up?

But that shit (and the portrayal of it) has been around since the ancient Greeks!

>>8861895
Yeah really, also war is as good an example.

WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM CHILD PORN

*12 year old girl takes naked picture of herself, gets thrown in jail*
*12 year old boy download picture of naked 12 year old girls, gets thrown in jail*

Everyone in America is a fucking retard and these people should not be making decisions about what others are allowed to see or produce..

>>8861917
Challenged in Pennsylvania
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/sexting-lawsuit/
'lowering' of punishment in illinois
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/19/Bill-would-lower-teen-sexting-penalties/UPI-17861269000684
/

sage for leaving /tg/ land, etc

>>8861917
Eventualy the 12 year olds will grow up and be in charge, and we will get out of this reactionary period.

Until FlyingPig flu (bird/swine flu hybrid) kills off half the worlds population, and the survivors blame it on god punishing us for our decadence and usher in the new morality which makes it illegal to take naked pictures of ANYBODY naked or otherwise.

>>8862014
Except H1N1 isnt dangerous.

At least not more than the common cold

>>8862014

Everyone knows the swine flue will mutate into the zombie virus

Just ask /x/

>>8861990
It shouldn't be illegal at all. I don't want to live in Christland where sex is demonized.

>>8862054

Everyone knows that the Ukraine is void of people now because of a recent combined russo-american swine flue attack.

>>8862081

The problem being that most CP is apparently produced either by uncles and dads abusing their children or as part of child pornography.

>>8862097
No, that's just because the Zone grew

>>8862121
Child prostitution.

>>8862047
Swine flu is not dangerous but very contagious.
Bird flu is dangerous but can't jump from person to person.

A hybrid could do lots of damage. And disasters tend to make people more conservative.

Cyberpunk is dead. Long live postcyberpunk!

Really the only way to do a cyberpunk plot and have it be believable now is for it to be set in a third world country where power is concentrated such that technology only benefits the ruling cla-

Oh my god /tg/ I've got it! Cyberpunk in a third world country where the end goal is to get out and live a successful life in one of the really awesome countries.

>>8862167

Nigeria, all you can do with computers is scam English speaking people.

But yeah, african cities are very cyberpunk these days. People mentioned that in the last CP is death-thread.

>>8862160

I know child prostitution is damaging to the child, but.. So is working in a coal mine or digging through toxic garbage to get hazardous material from old computer monitors.

If you're willing to adopt a very fatalistic and capitalistic stance on things, you could argue that getting paid to be in child pornography would be better than that entire family, the child included, starving to death.

>>8862121
I'm going to call bullshit on that. The VAST majority of cp has got to be taken by the "victim" themselves. Do you have any idea how many highschool girls send nudes of themselves to boys they like?

Now if you're talking about the single digit age variety of CP specifically I will agree with you.

>>8861246
The country has only been becoming more and more left-wing, and it"ll continue to. Did you see any actual swift changes for limited govt. and all under Bush? Fuck no.

Besides, the Repubs voting base (and most conservatives) are white people, who are a shrinking majority that's also aging

GLORY TO THE MANY.

>Cyberpunk in a third world country where the end goal is to get out and live a successful life in one of the really awesome countries.

Why do I have the idea that the shitty country will be America in nine out of ten novels that use this plot in the near future?

>>8862428
>The country has only been becoming more and more left-wing, and it"ll continue to.

It's called 'progress', and it's been happening for several centuries now.

>>8860203
>Battle Angel Alita

While I hated the protagonist, the rest of the characters were mostly cool and the setting was awesome. What would you think of a campaign where the players replaced Alita, /tg/? What would be the best system?

Post Cyberpunk is the new cyberpunk.

Is ghost in the shell and The Matrix cyberpunk or postcyberpunk?

>>8863195

Hutner-killan…
Motorballan…
Barjackan…

I want to play this. I have no idea of system, possibly M&M, or Hero, which I understand can do ANYTHING.

>>8862760

sounds like appleseed.

Cyberpunk died 1 January 1999 hope this helps.

Cyberpunk as it was 20 or 25 years ago is dead.
Cyberpunl was the idea of a group of punks with guns in the future playing Atari games on computers built into their heads.

We are living in the world they tried to imagine today and in some areas it's more developed than they thought. . . and in others it's less so.

Nations have not collapsed, thze megacorps have not taken over the world, computers are not yet in everyone's head.

But we're getting closer, and if you want to you can just move your settign anothe 30 years into the futere. Have a look at Shadowrun'S latest edition for some ideas in that direction.
Also, fantasy is on the upswing becasue of the awesome LotR movies, and several other good fantasy movies that were released over the last decade.

SciFi had SW Ep. I-III. . . and that was a very mixed bag. Star Trek has been essentially dormant, save for the Enterprise series (which also was rather mediocre)
A bunch of other one-off movies were succesful, but none had the power to really re-start interest in the genre. And while most of these were near-future, neither of them dared to project the dystopian cyberpunk image like Blade Runner did.

tl;dr: Cyberpunk is dead, but can adapt, and so can SciFi.
Fantasy is 'cool' today because Frodo appealed to emo kids

Also, I'm babbling and need sleep. Pic distantly related

>>8863223
GITS - postcyberpunk
Matrix - shit tier

>>8863271
ROCKET PROPELLED WARHAMMERS

One thing I like about the scrapyard is the total forbidding of firearms. So it's all futuristic and shit, but people are only fighting with futuristic melee weapons. Unless, of course, they acquire or make a gun illegally.

Deus Ex 3 will save it

>>8863316
Matrix was cool, but in it's own way that helped kill the genre.

Especially part 2 and 3 were . . .bad.

>>8863376
Just like Homeworld 3

;_;

>>8863274
>Sounds like SHIROW GET OFF YOUR ASS AND MAKE SOMETHING

Cyberpunk doesn't work anymore because of the internet. The internet would need to be destroyed (gov't's doing its best) for cyberpunk worlds to exist.

>>8863434

Seriously. People are gonna forget who the hell he is if he doesn't drop his fetish paintings and get to work on something important.

>>8863376

Even if it is actually good by "normal" people's standards, /tg/'s front page will be filled with threads about how much it sucks for several weeks after it comes out.

>>8863472
Not really. Shadowrun had the matrix, whihc was in many ways like teh internet is today, except it was waaay more interactive.

So all you have to do is integrate it into your setting.

Cyberpunk, in reality, is just nostalgia for a simpler age wrapped up in laser rifles and mega corporations. Steampunk has essentially replaced it and is much more honest and obvious about it's nostalgia basis.

BLAME!

I love that series so fucking much. It's like post postcyberpunk.

>>8863365

Or shoot ball-bearings.

>>8863536

"At one point, The Megastructure had expanded to encompass the earth's moon."

>>8863365

Pneumatic sniper rifles.

>>8863627

>>8863691

>>8863691
>>8863710

ha ha ha oh wow is this the author's work?

>>8863734
Yeah. Blame Academy. One of those "Omake" parodies they sometimes include.

>>8863627
At the time Blame! takes place, the megastructure is at least out to Jupiter, as Killy passes through a space roughly the same diameter, implying that Jupiter has been consumed for raw materials

>>8863627
>>8863691
>>8863710
>>8863754
fucking stupid.jpg

>>8863754

Deus ex 1 was PCs
Deus ex 2 was Xboxes
Deus ex 3 will be Xbox 360s.

Nope. Game's gonna be shit.

how can cyberpunk die if we're living the dream right now?

>>8863767

HAHAHA FAGGOT.jpg

This shit's hilarious.

>>8863790
that shit is beautiful.

I'm confused, how do you guys measure how "alive" a setting is?

I'm 32 and I basically first learned of the term "Cyberpunk" after playing Deus Ex, and I can bet I've heard nerds drop that word more in the past few years than I ever heard my nerd friends prior

Also someone said the Japanese housing bubble killed it. Explain?

>>8863754
>>8863775
>>8863783
>>8863811
>>8863823
>>8863841
>>8863855
I am detecting fair amounts of silly in these images.

Nothing wrong with that, of course.

The end, of chapter 1.

or "What would Blame! be like if it was a slice of life school comedy instead of a grimdark post-cyberpunk"

>>8863971

hurr lol

Here's a stupid idea I had a while ago, to introduce the same de-humanizing shitty dystopianism to Fantasy: Necropunk.

everything works off of the 3.x version of necromancy magic. Grafted Zombie Limbs, Ghous are like Androids, and Liches are full cyborg conversions.

>>8860293

I prefer the "Stormtrooper" loadout. Medium class. AR for your weapon. Medplant, infrared vision, and increased power for implants (cortex bomb optional).

Works best with fellow Stormtroopers (As you become a true self-supporting corporate kill squad) but works as a general "helpful guy who's still combat capable."

People *never* seem to expect cooked 'nades to tumble around the corner, too.

>>8863876
A big part of cyberpunk was portraying Japan Japan and/or its (mega-)corporations as dominating the world, based on '80's paranoia that they were watching this happen IRL.
When the ass fell out of Japan's economy, everybody realised those fears were baseless and Japan/its corps didn't actually have the money to buy the whole world, and one of the main planks was yanked out of cyberpunk's 'platform'.

Goddamn fucking Ghost in teh shell and shadowrun
ruined the entire cyberpunk genre

>>8864347
Why not replace china with japan?

>>8864466
Not high-tech enough.

>>8864466
Don't you mean replace Japan with China?

Anyways, What killed cyberpunk? Transhumanism.

The real problem with cyberpunk is that it envisioned a future underpinned by consumerism. We no longer believe that to be the case. The future seems to be a bleak one of mass unemployment, collapse and economic failure, with the internet as a force for social freedom rather than exploitation.

Shadowrun isn't technically cyberpunk, because it doesn't keep that level of old tech.

Cyberpunk is basically the dystopic sci fi from the 70s 80s, when we thought people would be spinal jacked to computers, and whatnot.

Shadowrun is the modern version of this. It's an evolution of the cuberpunk genre. The deckers and spinal cords are (mostly) replaced with Augmented Reality and Wireless connections to EVERYTHING.

It's just realistic that Cyberpunk changes with how the future will most probably look like.

>>8863376
TROLL DETECTED

>>8862204
>highschool girls
CP in your country, not in mine.

Biopunk. Someone get that started. That is what's next.

>>8862777
>implying moving away from a society for an individual and for a collective or any political agenda could be called something as abstract or universal as progress

>>8864836

Instead of looking like half-terminator freaks, people start adding hideous limbs and mutations to themselves, reminiscent of Resident Evil tyrants, to better accomplish things?

Sounds cool. Criminals with reverse joint legs, nightvision and lock-picking fingerbones. Cops with enhanced senses to track them, and dermal plates stronger than kevlar.

>>8864595
I can't agree with this statement at all. Shadowrun is still cyberpunk, it's just an evolution of the genre. Otherwise it would be like saying that Stargate isn't sci-fi because it doesn't have tacky looking rocket ships (like Buck Rogers).

>>8863991
> "What would Blame! be like if it was a slice of life school comedy instead of a grimdark post-cyberpunk"

Wow, what an original concept

>>8864871
>reverse joint legs

naw man, he has camo-implants and rapid face-type manipulators.

>>8863395
>>8863395
NO, THE FIRST ONE WAS BAD, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD

THE SECOND AND THIRD WERE WORSE

YOU DON'T GET MORE ENERGY OR RESOURCES FROM A HUMAN BODY THAN YOU PUT INTO THEM

YOUR "FORM OF FUSION" LOLPLOT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT AND DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

>>8863395
>>8863395
NO, THE FIRST ONE WAS BAD, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD

THE SECOND AND THIRD WERE WORSE

YOU DON'T GET MORE ENERGY OR RESOURCES FROM A HUMAN BODY THAN YOU PUT INTO THEM

YOUR "FORM OF FUSION" LOLPLOT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT AND DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

>>8865649
umad?

>>8859387
>>8860293
>>8864127
MOAR LIKE THIS!!!

I'm running a futuristic campaign using DnD rules and what I pictured in my head bares an uncanny resemblance to this.

>>8865834

http://www.dystopia-game.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock

Are we discussing the aesthetic, the genre, or the subculture?

Cyberpunk as an aesthetic has gone out of style because that's what aesthetics do after 20 or 30 years.

Cyberpunk the genre was based on its specific then-current technology, and has been supplanted by [everything]punk, with "Biopunk" being its most direct evolution.

If we're discussing the subculture, it's not a subculture anymore, it's the fucking CULTURE now.

>>8865648
>>8865649
iirc loudbuy, original/early scripts called for the humans to be plugged in for a different reason. short version, they used the massive network of human brains as a way to make the machine system more powerful.

like FOLDING@Home, only with brains instead of home computers, and robot inteligences instead of protein folding.

>>8863195 I hate Alita

A bit late to the party here, but...

FUCK. YOU.

>>8866152

Aww did somebody insult your waifu (or is it husbandu? I don't really know)?

Cyberpunk was based on fear of new technology and the powers that could exploit it.

Their fears never realized in the first world, and elsewhere, well... let's just say there isn't much of a market for speculative fiction that's indistinguishable from everyday life.

>>8865987

I still believe this is the real reason and Morpheus was wrong.

>>8866262

Did you pick another octo-lips for your reaction image on purpose?

>>8866384

Quite possible. The only reason for the change was that some dumbfuck executive thought it would be too technical for the average viewer.

>>8866370

The real question is why the fuck post-apocalypse has grown after the Cold War rather than shrinking.

Since, you know, that would seem to be an even more obvious case of our fears being proven wrong.

>>8866474

You forget one of the important side effects of the end of the Cold War. An assload of nukes are now spread across half the world in the hands of rogue states and splinter factions, instead of all being located in one superpower that could be kept from using them.

Add the looming oil crisis which is now looming even closer, and the addition of environmental disasters, the post-apocalyptic genre has nowhere to go but up.

>>8866609

And yet, life goes on as it always has.

On a side note, I'm surprised that I haven't seen more historical fiction set during the fall of Rome.

>>8866777

If you want to put it that way, 'life goes on' is basically the theme of every post-apocalyptic story in existence. That is why it is POST-apocalypse, because there are still people around to have a story to tell.

>>8865649
If they could use your anger, they wouldn't need the fucking Matrix.

That aside. . .sure, it's fucking stupid. The hall fight was still close to what a fully cybered streetsam does to a bunch of rent-a-cops. And that's cool.

>>8866872

Uhm, no, my point was that we're no closer to an apocalypse or societal collapse than we were 10 years ago.

>>8866777
Allow me to introduce you to Steven Saylor's Roma Sub Rosa series.

>>8867041

Oh? Looks interesting, thank you.

>>8867073
It's the fall of the Republic rather than the fall of the Empire, but you weren't very specific.

>>8865648

>YOU DON'T GET MORE ENERGY OR RESOURCES FROM A HUMAN BODY THAN YOU PUT INTO THEM

>YOUR "FORM OF FUSION" LOLPLOT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT AND DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS

While your understanding of thermodynamics is accurate, your application is highly flawed. Yes, you can not gain more energy from a system than you put in. Yet this does not stop us from have power plants all across the globe, generating power 24/7. How is this possible, despite the laws of physics? Because no power plant CREATES energy, they CONVERT energy from one form to another. Most operate by converting Potential energy in fuel to Thermal, then Thermal to Kinetic, then Kinetic to Electric. At no point is any energy being true created, since this is impossible.

Where the Matrix and the Machines real, they would operate in a similar fashion, using human bodies to convert the energy in organic fuel, which the machines cannot use, into heat and electric, which they can use quite easily.

TL, DR: Pic related.

>>8867141

I was referring to the fall of the Empire, that period being the closest historical analogue to most post-apocalypse stories. But I'm a fan of historical fiction in general so that's fine too.

>>8867014

And my point was that fact has no impact on the post-apocalyptic genre.

>>8867175
>implying machines couldn't easily do that with bacteria, or other machines. or by burning it.

using humans is the most retarded thing they could do.

>>8867014
nobody ever sees the fall coming before it happens.

honestly as a player who's part of a really awesome 2020 campaign currently I'll say.. maybe. we retcon celphones to be negligable in terms of weight. but think of it like this.

cyberpunk is a fantastical look at the computer revolution as steam-punk is to the industrial revolution. its not about what could be but what could HAVE been

>>8867240

And machines can't be retarded?

One of the points in the later films was that the machines still had an emotional attachment to humanity, and therefor could not bring themselves to just wipe them out. The Matrix was a 'kill two birds' solution, resolving both the energy problem and the human problem.

>>8867196

It seems like it should. Unless the motivation is less a fear that society will end and more a wish that it would.

Which, on reflection, does seem to be the case in the zombie apocalypse fandom.

>>8867315
many wish the world would end.

many also expect it to end with all the nukes floating around, and many fear it -is- ending what with this global economic downturn.

Active Denial System: Basically shoots out microwave frequency waves that cause skin to "feel" as though it's on fire, placing the targets in crippling pain but leaving no lasting evidence of use.

>Some have focused on the lower threshold of use which may lead those who use them (especially civilian police) to become "trigger-happy", especially in dealing with peaceful protesters. Others have focused on concerns that weapons whose operative principle is that of inflicting pain (though "non-lethal") might be useful for such purposes as torture, as they leave no evidence of use, but undoubtedly have the capacity to inflict horrific pain on a restrained subject. According to Wired Magazine, the Active Denial System has been rejected for fielding in Iraq due to Pentagon fears that it would be regarded as an "instrument of torture".

Fun times ahead...

>>8867440
>implying fences of the future aren't replaced with active denial systems

NOBODY GETS IN

EVERYBODY BURNS

>>8867440

>>8867388

Civilization collapsing due to debt (and its partner CHINA OWNS EVERYTHING) are unfounded fears, due to the fact that if people actually tried calling in the national debts of any major power at this point they'd just get the finger for their efforts.

>>8867537
and what would that fingering do?

>>8867565

Create some major funding issues for the governments doing it.

The citizens will not be happy and it will not be fun, but we're talking career-ending impact here, not country-ending impact.

Aesthetically, somewhat, if you're talking about the 80s aspects in particular. Thematically, hell no, we're fucking living it. We live in a world where bankers make billions on bailouts and the rest of us fight for meager jobs. Dissidents in Iran fight repression by putting cell phone video on the Net, and hacktivists continually battle their way around and through China's Great Firewall. Medical technology advances rapidly, but attempts to make sure average people have access to it are for the large part stifled (we'll see if this watered-down bill is enough). Do you guys not watch the news?

>>8859598

I've got a fuckton of family out in Michigan. Modern Flint or parts of Detroit are as feral as anything Gibson ever dreamed up. Hell, last year at the height of the recession Detroit's official unemployment rate was something like 28.9%. That's pretty fucking horrifying for the developed world.

>>8860136

Mine's in Minneapolis, but I've been itching to do Saigon, what with the Dega Alliance stuff going on, and the brewing independence movement. It irks me when people run Seattle as a default (although running it because you're really into its particular flavor is entirely fine).

>>8860333

You make a damn good point, and it's one that people forget. Cyberpunk settings are dystopic in that they're, like, shitty to live in, but there's usually a message that the lone dissident can make a difference. They're not typically truly hopeless dystopias; then you're just playing Paranoia with cybertoys.

>>8862777

This.