HAHAHAHA. Oh, child.

Which specific game line? Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Promethean, Hunter, Changeling, Geist?

>>9641741
And nWoD or oWoD?

Whoo boy. This will end awesomely or horribly for you. Just work with us, OK?

OK, nWoD or oWoD. This is important. Then we can talk about splats.

>>9641686
for your clarification >>9641762 is asking what edition, that is less important.

the game works by rolling handfuls of 10 sided dice.

>>9641741

Some research into the topic has revealed that it's Hunter. From what I understand, it's supposed to be about brutalizing the shit out of anyone that isn't Average John Q. Public.

I'm aware that I could just wait until Sunday to ask my friend about how it's supposed to work, but the dude's running the game and I'd hate to slow things down for him with "WHAT IS A D10," followed by "HOW DO I MAKE CHARACTER," and "WHAT THE HELL IS A DOT?"

>>9641875

We're going to need a full title.

It's narrowed down to Hunter: the Vigil and Hunter: the Reckoning.

They are very, VERY different games, though similar in theme.

This should help you.

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>>9641762
>>9641829

Oh. He said it was old, though I don't know if he was talking about editions or the age of the game.

This looks like the cover of the book he showed me when he was talking about it.

>>9641933

I'll flip through it to look up anything that I don't understand from you guys. Thanks.

Okay OP. So it's Reckoning.

My suggestion to you: Never underestimate the power of peace. If this sounds faggotry, that's because it is.

But it's still better than getting your hand assed to you.

>>9641945

Ok. Hunter: The Reckoning. Good, we're making progress.

Ok, flip through the wiki for Hunter: The Reckoning, and we'll be here to help with the actual character creation.

Lemme get out my Reckoning book.

tpb had a torrent of most of the WoD titles a while back. I can't say if it is still there. You will NOT be able to find these books for sale easy.

>>9641999

DriveThruRPG has all the oWoD books on sale, but I don't think OP should be buying the books for what could be a temporary replacement.

I can upload a copy of Reckoning, if anyone would like it.

>>9641995

Is "Shoot the freaky thing from a mile away" an option? Because it sounds like a better option than getting my shit ruined.

>>9641996

On it.

>>9641999

I'm grabbing a copy of it off of /rs/ as we speak. Anything else I should need?

>>9642119

It technically is, but alot of shit out there is basically immune to bullets.

You are not immune to bullets. Or half the shit they can do to you.

What you ARE immune to is mind effecting things, if you spend conviction, but basically it means Badass Vampire can't CONTROL YOUR MIND. This is important.

You also have the advantage of no supernatural is going to think a human could hope to stand against them. Pride's a sin, boy, and you gotta make 'em pay.

Also, fire. If nothing else works, try fire. It probably will.

Most everything in the World of Darkness can be killed through liberal application of car. Put several dots in driving. Run over Dracula.

>>9642167

>alot of shit out there is basically immune to bullets.

Fuck.

>You are not immune to bullets.

Fuuuuck.

>Or half the shit they can do to you.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Okay, so, baseline human against the equivalent of hateful monsters that will never suspect a dude with a Molotov Cocktail to actually throw it at them, because they think they've got my mind fucked. Got it.

This sounds like the beginning of a morbidly funny comic book.

>>9642265

Drive sounds important. Do I start with a car, or do I need to look into getting one?

>>9642265

True, but then they'll start growing back.

Once, twice, three times sometimes.

You can't grow back from a pile of ashes.

>>9642265
This is generally effective, but kind of a dick move to pull on the guy if you think you're just going to be filling in short-term.

>>9642302

attach a flamethrower to the back of the car. Turn and Burn.

>>9642302

>growing back.

How fast can they possibly heal from an eighty-mile-per-hour truck to the face?

>>9642315

I suspect I'll be filling in, short-term, depending on how well the group receives me. That said, I'd put it at a seventy percent chance that they'll start looking for someone else, if only so they don't have to break in a new guy.

>>9642301

>Okay, so, baseline human against the equivalent of hateful monsters that will never suspect a dude with a Molotov Cocktail to actually throw it at them, because they think they've got my mind fucked. Got it.

Close, but not quite.

Depending on who you are, you can access strange powers known as Edges, to help combat the monsters.

Keep in mind that they're not as powerful as every other supernatural, who can do things like throw people into shadows forever, jump through computers and punch you through the internet, turn into horrible Angel like beings, Possess other human beings to kill you, eat you with a single bite (and the car you were trying to hide in), or, in the case of Mages, completely destroy your reality and replace it with their own.

Oh, and also the world's going to end in a few years.

And yeah, you'll notice that the World of Darkness, ESPECIALLY the Old World of Darkness, is a lot like a crazy horror comic book. That's part of the fun.

prep time wins all combats in wod. With skills in science specializing in chemistry and enough time you can kill anything. Vampires are delt with via fire bombs, werewolves with bigger bombs, and mages with deadly poison gas and than explosives. All of them have ways of coming back from alot of damage, so you have to kill them in one round with one blow. Though a powerful mage will probably survive the initial blast so prepare a 2nd and 3rd means of killing him that can activate soon after the initial blast. Given enough time he'll create a portal to a dimension he made and kill you with spells while you sleep(probably painfully).

>>9642427

>Keep in mind that they're not as powerful as every other supernatural, who can do things like throw people into shadows forever, jump through computers and punch you through the internet, turn into horrible Angel like beings, Possess other human beings to kill you, eat you with a single bite (and the car you were trying to hide in), or, in the case of Mages, completely destroy your reality and replace it with their own.

Maybe it's just an inability to fit the gravity of all the others in my mind, but the punch-through-the-Internet one strikes me as the most disturbing.

Also, reading through some more of the character creation process, it looks like there's two different types of characters here. Bystanders and Hunters. I'm guessing I'm going for Hunter?

>>9642715
>Bystanders and Hunters. I'm guessing I'm going for Hunter?
Probably. Bystanders are prospective Hunters that fail the initiation. All they get is the knowledge that evil monsters exist, but no special powers like immunity to mind control that full Hunters get.

>>9642715

Yes.

A Hunter answered the call of the Messengers, and got some neato powers, but now they have to deal with the crazy shit.

A Bystander is someone who saw the reality of the world they were living in, and, for one reason or another, refused to act in time. Everything mostly returns to normal, except they can see the monsters. Not that they can do anything, they're still just humans.

Unless your ST (which is basically a term for your friend running the game) decides to have you play a Bystander, you'll be a Hunter.

>>9642853
> Everything mostly returns to normal, except they can see the monsters.
Bystanders don't see monsters after their failed Imbuing unless they take the Sight Merit.

>>9642906

Oh, that's right.

Damn, I keep forgetting that my old ST houseruled that away.

bump for informative thread being informative

>>9642853
>>9642816

All right, got part of the steps finished after I picked up the corebook from /rs/.

The way I figure it, I'm not going to be taking charge of the bunch, so I might as well be the lightly-applied comic relief that dies horrifically at some point or another. Also, an extra pair of hands couldn't hurt matters.

>>9643276

Ok, a mostly physical guy, whose got a decent head, but quite the best talker.

All right, it sounds like stuff from the Zeal category will be more your speed: Defense, Judgement, and Vengance.

Looking at your specific stats, Judgment and Vengeance should be something your speed.

>>9643497

*not quite

Blah, this is what I get for being up at 2:30 in the morning.

Sage for correction.

>>9643497

I like the sound of Zeal. If Vengeance is what it sounds like, visiting fiery retribution on the unwary could be equally hilarious and terrifying for all parties involved.

Also, updated for the skills. I can't help but feel I'm creating a Ramirez analogue from what little I've heard about that new Call of Duty game.

>>9643794

Hellfire and damnation. I forgot my last Talent dot thing.

>>9643794
>If Vengeance is what it sounds like, visiting fiery retribution on the unwary could be equally hilarious and terrifying for all parties involved.
Pretty much. The first powers of Vengeance make either a melee or thrown weapon hit extra hard.

Your Creed makes a big impact on your hunter too. Creed is basically the philosophy your character assumes towards the hunt and monsters in general. Avengers (using Vengeance powers primarily) are the attackers; monsters appear, they get put down. Judges (Judgment powers) decide which monsters get put down when and the best plan of attack for doing so. Defenders (using Defense powers) protect others from the monsters. That's the 3 Zeal creeds; there's also 3 Mercy creeds and 3 Vision creeds, though 2 of the Vision ones are drive all of their members insane during their imbuing. Acting within your Creed goals gets you extra Conviction, which is the juice that runs your mental resistance and powers your Edges.

One minor note: you only get a Specialty when an Attribute or Ability is 4 or more dots. So you wouldn't get a Dexterity specialty, but would get a Stamina one.

>>9643903
Oh, you also don't have the actual Hunter character sheet. Where "Virtues" are, in the lower right, should be the Zeal - Mercy - Vision tracker, not the regular mortal ones.

>>9643947

>One minor note: you only get a Specialty when an Attribute or Ability is 4 or more dots. So you wouldn't get a Dexterity specialty, but would get a Stamina one.

You sure about that? The example sheet has a Crafts specialty in it, and that's at one dot.

>>9644037

Aw shit, Anon's right. Damn, I'm way too tired, not focusing where it counts.

Since apparently there's no Hunter: The Reckoning sheet on Dalines (a really great WoD resource), lemme get you Mr. Gone's site.

The sheets are in PDF form, but they're pretty much the best available right now: http://mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/

>>9644116
Crafts is... different. You get a 'specialty' in it, which is what your character focuses on (here's a hint: Jury Rig is your best friend), but you don't get to reroll anything.

>>9643947

Ah, I see. Defender sounds like a handy thing to have, if only because running defense would probably keep me out of everyone's way.

The core book thing says that things like Expression and Crafts get a specialization, regardless of dots. Do I keep those?

Finally, I'm not sure what to make of the Merits and Flaws. The section that's here doesn't seem to make much sense, but that could just be me getting tired or something.

>>9644285

And that's what I get for failing to reload before I post.

Time to get the new sheet and see what happens!

>>9644116
>You sure about that?
Quite sure. Your 10s explode when you get a roll that corresponds to your specialty.

>The example sheet has a Crafts specialty in it, and that's at one dot.
Eeh, example characters have always been wonky in WW stuff. Also, Crafts is so broad it might be a "Hey, what part of Crafts are you actually able to do?" since it covers stuff from carpentry to metalworking to cooking.

I'd look it up but it's way too late and I don't have the book handy.

>>9644227

Ah, right. Sorry, I've been playing nWoD for far too long, and the rules are starting to get a little mixed up in my mind.

CURSE YOU NEW EDITIONS

But yeah, looking at Guy's sheet, he seems to be more suited for the Judgment type. He's seems to have a bit of an investigative mind, he's relatively decent with his hands, and likes to fight with his fists.

However, since he's a bit of a brawler, Vengance is still a pretty viable option, though most Avengers tend to use firearms.

I'd just go with which one sounds cooler, especially if you're not sure you'll be around for a while.

>>9644285
>Defender sounds like a handy thing to have.
Defenders are incredibly useful. Their first level power, Ward, creates a very very strong circle around you that monsters can't cross, and their second power, Rejuvenate, lets them heal incredibly quickly. They can share this healing with others too, which is good, because healing powers are really rare overall (the only other 2 come pretty late power-wise).

>The core book thing says that things like Expression and Crafts get a specialization, regardless of dots. Do I keep those?
As >>9644227 says, Crafts and Expression are odd. They're so broad, you get a Specialty just to say what part of them you are actually trained in.

>Finally, I'm not sure what to make of the Merits and Flaws.
They don't actually appear in the Hunter core book, just the Player's Guide. They add or subtract bonus points during character creation. They cover stuff not found in the other traits, like if your character is ambidextrous, can drink like a fish and never get drunk, or has an innate knowledge of maps. Flaws are just the opposite: you can't dance and trip over everything, always lose your keys or forget where you parked.

They're not necessary if you're just starting to learn the game though.

>>9644324
I've always been a fan of the "let the characters initial reactions to monsters determine their creed, with player approval" method. I've had a lot of success with it.

In this case though, it'll depend on what the player finds most interesting. What to get between the monsters and your bros? Defender. Want to be the one directing traffic and be a tactical leader? Judge. Want to hit the monsters with a glowing-red death pipe? Avenger.

>>9644430

First, I imagine Ward is one of the greatest "umad.jpg" moves you can pull on an angry whatsit that wants to feast on your face. I like it.

Second, I think I'll take >>9644227's advice on Jury-Rig. Putting together a bell alarm on the door sounds a bit more useful than knowing how to make a crude hammer.

Third, skipping out on that part, then. Those freebie points could be useful for adding to whatever needs some padding in other areas.

>>9644532
>First, I imagine Ward is one of the greatest "umad.jpg" moves you can pull on an angry whatsit that wants to feast on your face. I like it.
Just watch out for the monsters smart enough to bring guns. Ward'll stop a monster physically, but it won't do shit against a bullet.

you speciesist shitheads really like that 'monster' word, yeah?

>>9644670
You are double-retarded.

Obviously they wouldn't be hunters if they were buddy-buddy with all sorts of crazy supernatural whatnots.

>>9644670
Yep. No trollplaying at this guy, he doesn't know what the shit is going on.

>>9644693
alright, will hold my tongue tonight

think new-meat needs any books?

>>9644502

Oh yes, the prelude and the reaction is the best kind of choice. I'm just not sure if OP's ST thinks that's a great idea.

>>9644532

You know, as much as I like nWoD's system and see it as a general improvement in system (not going into fluff, we don't want yet another shitstorm, though I may have caused one already), I always did like the Freebie Points. I suppose you could do the same thing by adding XP, but whatever.

All right, caught back up on the new sheet. I must say, this is much nicer-looking. Thanks, >>9644116.

>>9644647

The dark terrors of the night get the ability to punch me in the face through the Internet and guns? That's insane!

More insane than simply being able to punch people in the face through the Internet, I mean.

>>9644718
The lack of Freebie Points in nWoD character creation is one of my personal pet peeves about the system. Starting characters just feel a bit short on points without them to round 'em out a bit.

>>9644722
a suggestion, new-meat

four dots stamina means nearly inexhaustable, near limit of ability for morsels

years of training, or some unnatural gift from nutbar hunter group what 'modifies' their warriors?

>>9644776

He has a martial arts teacher. That's a good enough explanation for me.

Few years of that'll build your stamina right up.

>>9644714
> think new-meat needs any books?

Why do you keep offering these services despite the fact that you don't have anything that isn't already on /rs/ and most torrent sites?

>>9644791
... sorry for bothering you, anon

goodnight

>>9644670
>>9644686

Uh?

>>9644714

Ah, a roleplaying troll. Actually, I got Hunter: The Reckoning Core and Player's Guide from /rs/. I think they might have actually been put there by you at some point. If so, thanks.

What else might I need?

>>9644776

Actually, I'm explaining that with the Mentor thing and the scattered ability points: the martial artist tried to teach him to be quick, but only really succeeded at toughening him up, and doing plenty of grunt work for other people couldn't have hurt his stamina much.

>>9644757
you're not supposed to start out perfect at everything, but with debilitating flaws to make up for it. Shit's lame. The new flaws and merits play much more fairly.

>>9644814

You shouldn't need much besides those.

If you want to get technical, you could grab the Hunter Book: Defender splat. It introduces some new Edges and abilities you might like. It also gives a background on what Defenders are like and how they deal with the Hunter society in general.

>>9644814

Word of advice, ignore SS, he doesn't actually play any RPGs and seems to only be interested in them in order to write some really shitty fanfiction.

>>9644840
owod hunter, defender - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TBCS5A8R

sorry posting again. will bug out now

>>9644828
>you're not supposed to start out perfect at everything,
That's why the ST should smack down any character that's been deliberately min-maxed into an unrealistic mess, especially in Hunter.

I always hard capped the amount of points a character could get from Flaws at 7, and my players were good enough to not bring bad characters.

>>9644840

Sounds like a plan to me. It couldn't hurt to catch up on my reading before Sunday rolls around.

>>9644873

And yet, such a helpful guy.>>9644886 I'm not so sure he's a troll anymore.

>>9644873
He's a pretty cool guy though, once you get used to him.

>>9644907
Some points at the beginning in exchange for a permanent flaw?

I still like nWoD's version better.

>>9644944
yeah, I'm not sure he's a troll either. He's just a tremendous faggot, and he seems unable to differentiate between himself and his character.

>>9644944

He's annoying enough to be a nuisance, but productive and contributing enough to almost justify have him around.

I just wish things didn't turn into a shitstorm when he shows up.

>>9644907

I actually liked how nWoD approaches it. No actual points for getting flaws, but you do get an extra point or so of XP if you manage to use your flaw in a manner that works and helps out with roleplay. This is not to say that this too cannot be abused, however. I usually only give 1 XP when the flaw is used, and have an absolute maximum of 2-3 times per story arc.

>>9644969
>>9644944
SoS isn't a troll... he's a werewolf...

>>9644969
>Some points at the beginning in exchange for a permanent flaw?
I also let my players buy off Flaws for 3 XP per point, if it made sense in game. You could clear Debts, for example, but I doubt your character can lose his Dependence (Insulin) flaw without finding a cure for diabetes.

>I still like nWoD's version better.
Different strokes for different folks. I don't like how all nWoD's Flaws are basically the same value-wise.

>>9645026

>I don't like how all nWoD's Flaws are basically the same value-wise.

That's true as well. I'd be more willing to up the XP rate for more serious flaws, but my players always take minor stuff for some odd reason. At worst, they'll have Behavior Blind.

>but I doubt your character can lose his Dependence (Insulin) flaw without finding a cure for diabetes.

I SMELL PLOT HOOK

>>9645026
>I doubt your character can lose his Dependence (Insulin) flaw without finding a cure for diabetes.
depends on what type of supernatural. Some could have an easier time than others.

>>9644999
>Shota SoS

...

>should not want

>>9645075
Greater or minor are hugely dependent on how they're played. Even things like "blind" can be relatively minor if played that way.

>>9645086
Indeed. I was talking mostly about Hunters, so mostly vanilla mortals, but if your hunter can convince a mage with Life magic to cure his diabetes, great.

You still have to pay the XP though.

>>9645108

That's true.

>>9645086

YOU ARE A MAGE. ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO CURE DIABETES?

>>9645097
Nah.

...Hmmm, actually I do not remember any shotas in the werewolf books, the other races usually have at least one character who's pretty young(looking).

Okay, so, it looks like I've finished what I can finish on my end, until I get into the business of reading the books and asking my friend what Edges and whatnot I'm supposed to have at this point.

I thank you all for you kind and generous help, and I wish you all a good morning/afternoon/evening/whatevertimeitiswhereyouare.

Ah, before I forget. I apologize for what the hordes of /b/ do here, when they get bored. You guys don't deserve that.

>>9645145
>You guys don't deserve that.
Sometimes we kind of do.

Either way, good luck with your game; hopefully it goes smoothly... or at least interestingly, if things go to shit.

>>9645145

Best of luck, man. Always a pleasure to help folks out.

Keep us updated on your game. We always like game stories.

>>9645143
There was one kid who always had an evil spirit wolf protecting him

>>9645145
>You guys don't deserve that.
Actually, we're only like this in very specific circumstances. But I've never noticed a significant /b/ incursion. At least, not since there was a big GET thing several months back.

>>9645145
Just remember: Ward and a shotgun handles lots of supernatural problems. Rejuvenate just patches you up afterwards.

Best of luck and have fun at the game. Hunter's awesome if you've got a good group.

>>9645161

If you say so. I haven't seen anything thus far to warrant it, though.

>>9645171

Will do. Who knows? I might find a glorious new career as a denizen of /tg/.

Also, forgot the most recent update. I just made a small mark on Willpower and Zeal, if only because I'm not sure if those are supposed to fluctuate or not.

>>9645188
Oh yeah, but the boy wasn't an actual werewolf.

I always despised oWoD, mostly for the types that played Vampire: The Masquerade. Hunter was the only one that appealed to me, or even made any sense as an RPG instead of just a fantasy, so good luck OP!

>>9645263

Hunter is honestly one of my favorite games in the oWoD. Along with Wraith, they're fun to read and play (though Wraith is criminally under-played).

I was sort of disappointed by Vigil, until I read further. Horror Recognition Guide convinced me that this was going to be another one of my favorites.