bampu~?

Only if there's already a halfcheeseling - a product of copulation between humans and cheese.

Whats a pangolin?

...but you just made them...

i dont understand what you are asking?

Kobolds. Done.

Is that a fucking Pangolin?


That's a fucking Pangolin.


How would I create a pangolin race? Clearly, they would be the wise sages of the world.

Owl bear mixed with bulette. Even that doesn't quite cut it.

They wouldn't be too good at making armor, because they already have a great natural sort. Instead, all throughout their history, they never had to worry about direct personal attack on each other due to this armor. This has made them a wise people, having had time to develop without threat of violence.

It's also made them really fucking good at assassinations, because the only way to get around that ramor is if they're not expecting it...

>>13655410

>doesn't know what a Pangolin is

I actually did.

I made a huge semi-domesticated version called Pangoloths. They were these big, slow monsters that pulled the caravans of a nomadic race called the Yesmi. They were hand-reared, extremely loyal and could tear solid rock apart with their claws - but really actually pretty terrible in a fight. Pangoloths just basically went straight into ball form at the sight of possible violence. Those big claws? For breaking apart anthills. (Giant mutant ants the size of house cats)

>>13655404
>halfcheeseling

Con -2, Cha +2
Favored Class: Bard

Halfcheeselings are a sentient race of humanoid cheese, born from the union of a human and cheese golem. As half-cheese, they are known for being exceedingly delicious and are the favorite prey of a number of goblinoids. More civilized races attempt to treat halfcheeselings with the dignity of a civilized race, but are disturbed by their custom of eating their dead. To a halfcheeseling, ritual cannibalism is a way to preserve the memories of those long past. It also makes a really good dip.

Halfcheeselings make poor fighters due to their soft exterior, however they exude a delicious scent that attracts other races. Halfcheeselings receive a +4 bonus to Profession: Chef, and French as a bonus language.

>>13655440
What is this from?

>>13655577
MM3 3.5

you mean, like this?
http://cyclus-us.com/products/pangolin/pangolin.html

>>13655619
Where can I buy that thing and how much does it cost?

>>13655598
They're called Armands

“A pangolin, also scaly anteater or Tenggiling, is a mammal of the order Pholidota. Pangolins have large keratin scales covering their skin and are the only mammals with this adaptation. They are found in tropical regions of Africa and Asia. Pangolins are nocturnal animals, and use their well-developed sense of smell to find insects. Pangolins spend most of the daytime sleeping, curled up into a ball. The physical appearance of pangolins is marked by large, hardened, plate-like scales. It can curl up into a ball when threatened, with its overlapping scales acting as armor and its face tucked under its tail. The scales are razor-sharp, providing extra defense. Pangolins can also emit a noxious smelling acid from glands near the anus, similar to the spray of a skunk. Some species, such as the Tree Pangolin, use their strong tails to hang from tree branches and strip away bark from the trunk, exposing insect nests inside.”
So… kind of like tropical dwelling armored short people? They’re not front line fighters for sure, but they’d probably have some kind of dwarven defender like class that plays on their natural armoring. Or maybe something that tries to wrestle its enemies to death? Aside from that they’d make for decent Halfling replacements for when you want to break out a setting for brown islander elves.

>>13655640
“The tongues of pangolins are extremely elongated and extend into the abdominal cavity. Large pangolins can extend their tongues as much as 16 inches, with a diameter of only 1/4 inch. Pangolins lack teeth and the ability to chew. Instead, they tear open anthills or termite mounds with their powerful front claws and probe deep into them with their very long tongues. Pangolins have glands in their chests to lubricate the tongue with sticky, ant-catching saliva.”

>I‘m seeing the potential for a lot of tongue based feats, kind of how the Tieflings got feats for their tailparts. They’ve got claws that hamper their manual dexterity, so most of their fine manipulation is likely tongue based.

“In pangolins, the section of the brain that relates to problem solving is highly developed. Although their problem solving ability is primarily used to find food in obscure locations, when kept in captivity pangolins are remarkable escape artists.”

>Favored Class: Rouge. Play a pangolin; pick locks with your tongue.

>>13655633

http://www.iecomoda.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=110101

Though there's a few other places. It's imported, so that adds a bit, but you can find them in Florida places for around $150.

They're made of recycled tubes from trucks and the rubber shell is durable as hell. Water-tight exterior and water resistant interior, pretty noice.

Did someone say Pangolins?

>>13655649

>tounge based feats
>Favoured Class: Rogue

Surely a Bard knows best how to put their tounge to good use? Nudge nudge wink wink imtalkingaboutcunnilingus

Ahh, Pangolins. Nature's cutest tanks.

>>13655696
Sure, you could do that. I like the image of a pangolin bard cradling a lute gently between its oversized clawed hands, nimbly plucking at the strings with its tongue.

I hate LA +1.

>>13655649
I'm picturing Yoshi's ass-ugly cousin.

>>13655907

I need a new idea for a race

I know

What if I took Yoshi and covered him in razor blades

Pangoloths sound AWESOME! Do you have the stats?

>>13655649
>>13655809
we'd need to remove the "sticky" part of things, to avoid problems.

>>13655962

No, I never statted them up. Use them if you want, though.

Like I say, they're basically slow, armoured horses.

>Pangoloths
I like the sound of that.

>>13655999

No problem - they have have voluntary control over that sticky gland. Otherwise their tounge is fine for fine motor stuff.

Fuck yeah Pangolins.


Let's make this happen /tg/.

From Concession, the worst webcomic ever

>>13655649
>Pangolin-man rogue lockpicking with his tongue

Awesome. But I imagine eventually one would grow to hate the taste.

>>13656843

Imagine if the lock was TRAPPED!

>>13656889
"Problem, Garneth? I thought you said that you were one of the best thieves around..."

"It'th a muthafuthing fweethe twap!"

Well, I'd say Small-sized. +2 Con, +2 Wis, -2 Cha, -2 Dex, perhaps? Give them a +1 Natural Armour bonus. A very peaceful race, heavy on fortifications. A tendency towards Fighters, Druids, Shamans, Alchemists and Clerics, perhaps?

>>13656951
switch con bonus and dex neg.

>>13656979
this. they are nimble, underneath that armor they are squishy

>>13656979

I really don't see that. They have claw fingers and they get around their problems with armour. A dex penalty and con bonus makes way more sense than the reverse.

>>13657075
they are small mammals (-CON), and masters of escape (+DEX)

im not sure i see the connection between armor plating and a con bonus. dont they get natural armor?

>>13657119
>masters of escape
I thought pangolins were rather slow, actually. If they were fast like a mouse, they wouldn't need a suit of armour.

>>13657232
nobody said they were fast, just dextrous.

captive pangolins are masters of escape. is there an echo in here?

>>13657119
>>13657128

They don't evade their predators, they curl up into a ball and use their armour until they go away. A man-sized (or hobbit-sized) pangolin would follow the same principle - that is, outLASTING their opponents rather than outRUNNING it.

Also, CLUMSY CLAW FINGERS and OPERATE FINE MACHINERY USING THEIR TOUNGE. How does that equate "high dex" to you?

The tongues would be prehensile but they would not have fine manipulation.

>>13657291
>>13657291
easy killer, no need to get bent out of shape.
they operate shit with their tongue because they arent bipedal. we are statting a bipedal creature based off a curious, problem solving armored raccoon. dig? these are not armadillos

>>13657291
as for outlasting, armor is for deflecting damage, not absorbing it. hence, low con.

>>13657338
YOU ARE ANTHILL, THEREFORE YOU HAVE HILLS OF ANTS

DIG AND EAT

DIG AND EAT HILLS OF ANTS

Yeah. If I was going to do pangolins they'd be big, strong, slow, ponderous, mostly placid, patient, hard workers. Most are suited to manual labour jobs but they are fairly intelligent so some become scholars.

+STR
Natural AC bonus.

maybe +CON, maybe bonuses to endurance.

As a twist you could give them +INT and make them naturally adept magic users and scholars, but it wouldn't be a particularly optimal race/class combo.

>>13657400
>optimal race/class combo
and like that, the thread was over.

>>13657338

Pangolins use claws to tear anthills apart, that's about it. A sentient were-golin? Sure, they probably have some decently passable fingers but..

>>13657424
if these creatures have society, it stands to reason they are somehow able to use tools and weapons besides a tongue. one could argue that all clawed races should recieve dex penalties, but that person is a jackass.

>>13657446

Oh they can use WEAPONS in their hands. No-one was saying they couldn't hold a sword. The point was that the claws would impede FINE motor skills like lockpicking and hence the Dex penalty.

>>13657446
They should be able to use tools, just clumsily.
Name me some other races whose hands are shovel-like claws.

http://www.arkive.org/ground-pangolin/smutsia-temminckii/video-00.html

Wait until you get to the tongue action.

>>13657400

Excellent work.

>>13657446
The claws of a pangolin are not small ones like a dog or cat, they are big, like blunted knives. Not exactly good for detail-work. Like trying to write your name on a check while wearing heavy welding gloves.

Therefore, they would be able to manage rougher stuff by hand, but for finer maneuvers, their nimble tongues would be preferred.

A Pangolin Monk would actually be pretty fun. His fists are made of armour and knives! He needs no pansy "swords"!

>>13657338

>they operate shit with their tongue because they arent bipedal.

Uh, pangolins ARE bipedal.

They tuck their claws up to their chests and walk around on their hind legs with their tails balancing them.

>>13657540
those are kangaroos.

>>13657581
WRONG!
>>13657486
cool vid.

>>13657486

fucking yes, I have been looking for that video forever.

>>13656979
>>13657119
>>13657277
They are masters of escape because they are very smart for an animal and have unusually good problem solving.

Just think about what would happen if you put a genius and a really dextrous idiot in a locked room. The genius would be able to think up some way to pick the locks using paperclips or pencils or whatever. The idiot might be really good with a set of lockpicks, but they won't think to twist a crude lockpick out of some wire lying around.

This race should either get +wis or +int. Not +dex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cWkNt5KnyQ
>the scales on the tail can also be used as blades to strike at attackers
FUCK YEAH though I can't really see it. Maybe if they're threatened in their burrow?

>>13657599
Tyrannosaurs?

>>13657639

They can slide the scales back and forth, and the scales are sharp. If you're touching their back they can basically grind/grate the shit out of you if they don't like it.

You are now aware Pangolin-men would be in an eternal holy war with spiny anteater-men and echidna-men.

>>13657653
>sentient chainsaws
This is the best thing ever.

>>13657666

Try "my skin is MADE OF SANDPAPER"

>>13657658
>You are now aware Pangolin-men would be in an eternal holy war with delicious giant ants

>>13657676
Nah, that's sharks you're thinking of, this is a step above.

>>13657676

It's not a sandpaper thing. It actually slices, not scrapes.

Probably something more like a sentient, oversized cheese grater than a chainsaw though.

>>13657658
You forgot Aardvark-men.

You are now imagining a setting in which all of the sentient races feed on ant.

>>13657658 echidna-men

They throw their wives eggs at attackers and any eggs which survive the onslaught are hatched into echidna warriors

>>13657683

isn't there a D&D race that's basically humanoid ant?

>>13657714
If so then I think I have the best campaign idea.

>>13657714
Formians

>>13657742

Oh man, there needs to be this tribe of Pangolin barbarians trolling the shit out of the Formians

>>13657703
>>13657658
Anteater=human
Pangolin=dwarf
Echida=orc
Aardvark=elf

>>13657792
I thought "anteater" and "aardvark" were synonyms, not different species...

>>13657803
You learn something new every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anteater
>Anteaters are the four mammal species of the suborder Vermilingua

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark
The Aardvark (Orycteropus afer) ... is the only living species of the order Tubulidentata

>super-long tongue

inb4 pangolinman erotica

we need a cooler name for this race than "pangolinman".

>>13657875

We had pangoloths, but I used that as a massive oxen-like beast. Smaller, puppy-like ones were called Pangolids, which I guess could work for people.

Pangolalians and the 'lalian' bit is overpronounced with tongue.

Pang?
Pango?
Pangmen?
Pangomen?
Pangii?
Pangaa?

Wow, this idea is really taking off. I'll post the poorly-organized text from the txt file I've been using as my note-seed.

I dislike the 'barking dog-demons' interpretation of Kobolds in Second edition and the 'draconic repto-goblins' of the 3.x systems.

I fluff them as advanced Pangolins. Hard-scaled mammals with acidic stink-glands similar to a skunk and powerful burrowing claws. Good at climbing and digging. Rudimentary agricultural society, mostly tribal, but with a keen eye towards defensive fortifications. They drag their knuckles when they walk, but possess very hard claws (natural attacks).

They inhabit temperate zones. They're mound-builders. Their burrowing lends them towards fortified villages, usually surrounded by an earthen bulwark and topped with a palisade. Their religion (that I've created for them) is a crude system of ancestor and spirit worship with no true 'gods' per se. They get extremely offended if any of their ancestral burial grounds are disturbed in any way. Agriculturally, they're mostly foragers, but many have taken to cultivating small bug-farms (they are small sized, and like their unevolved kin, they get a great deal of protein from eating insects) inside sealed underground burrows. Tool use is minimal, since their claws serve as tools and weapons. they have no melee weapons besides claws, but they've developed crude throwing axes for ranged combat. They carve wood easily with their claws, especially when hollowing out a log to use as a canoe. They have yet to master domesticating animals on a large scale. Isolationist, they rarely raid unless provoked, though hunting parties will harass anyone trespassing at a grave site.

>>13655410
Pangolins are arboreal mammals characterized by diamond-shaped plates of horn coating their bodies. They tend to curl up into a ball when threatened, like a hedgehog. They have strong claws on their forelegs which they use to dig for grubs and excavate burrows. Their foreclaws are so long that they tend to walk on their 'knuckles'. They possess strong acidic musk-spraying glands, like a badger, but not as strong as a skunk's. Their long tails are useful for hanging from tree limbs, balancing, and acting as a shield when curled up (the tail covers the underbelly and face). Many people consider them adorable.

>>13657947
APPROVED

>>13657895

>Pangolids

Could work, I suppose.

Pangoids?

>>13657934

Pang could work if you go for the above interpretation of the pangolins as kobold-like savages. It's short, seems believable as a name.

Pangoloids

>>13657947
Don't like the idea of them being a cut-and-paste replacement for kobolds, but the rest is awesome.

In an unrelated event, I once had a party wipe from them fighting dire pangolins. The lesson: never trust homebrewed monsters from the internet... However as DM, I was thoroughly amused. DIRE. PANGOLINS.

>>13658177

War Pangolins would be the shit. Just roll them over infantry, have them TEAR THE FUCK out of siege towers and fortifications with MASSIVE CLAWS

>>13658211
they're not a naturally aggressive animal. You'd really have to rile the up to get them to do anything but curl up and wait for the fighting to pass.

>>13658238

Scale them up to like twenty feet in length. Something that big could probably be trained.

>>13658249
maybe, but you're fighting its instincts at this point. It'd be better to use it as a construction engine, carving ditches and ramparts, or as a mobile bunker to hide behind. Training is easiest when it exploits the animal's natural instincts. You want to siege a castle? Dire rats. They'll chew through stone and concrete easily if they think there's food inside. Need to clear out a large number of troops? Dire skunk. Pangolins are far too passive for siege work.

>>13658353

Pangolins tear apart solid rock to get at delicious ants. I don't see how using Pavlovian (more like Pangovian lol) conditioning for a giant Pangoloth to equate "fortress" with "giant ant hill" and "delicious trainer-given treats" with "delicious ants" is that much of a stretch.

>>13658353
Well how big are we talking about here? A sufficiently large pangolin would see humans as food.

>>13658500

It would have to be truly massive for that - pangolins are about the size of large house cats (I think - maybe closer to medium dogs) and they have tiny mouths.

A pangolin the size of an elephant would maybe eat mice, to give you a comparison.

>>13658489
true enough. True enough.

>>13658500
You think they could digest something with an internal skeleton?

Also I thought we were talking about a playable race rather than war-beasts and beasts of burden, no?

>>13658658
we were talking about playables. someone got sidetracked.

/tg/... I love you. I just found this thread and gave it a quick read.

In light of the argument about Dex penalties... what if we wrote 4e stats for now?

>>13658658

Maybe? They digest things with external skeletons.

And yeah, but I thought the whole "tearing shit up" thing pangos have going for them could be applied to siege warfare and that would involve scaling them up to beasts.

Also, when I had pangoloths in my homebrew fantasy, they were about the size of oxen

bump

>>13658723 here again

I made some 4e stats. They could certainly use some thorough editing, but hey, it's a starting point.

Pangolin

Average Height: 5’ 0” -5’ 6”
Average Weight: 120-160 lbs

Ability Scores: +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom or Strength
Size: Medium
Speed: 6 squares
Vision: Normal

Languages: Common, choice of one other
Skill Bonuses: +2 Diplomacy, +2 Endurance
Natural Armor: You gain a +2 racial bonus to AC.
Clawed Hands: When making an unarmed attack, you gain a +1 racial bonus to the attack and damage rolls.
Defense Curl: You gain the Defense Curl racial power.

Defense Curl
Encounter Minor Action Personal
Effect: You curl up into a ball, hiding your vulnerable areas from attack. You gain a +5 to all defenses until the end of your next turn. You cannot take any actions while curled up.

omg my first thread to get 100+ posts

Pangolin Scales are made of Keratin, the same stuff that Nails are made of. Its relatively hard, but by no means impenetrable. You guys seem to be exaggerating their protective qualities.

Archival NEEDED.

>>13659068
this is /tg/

EVERYTHING is exaggerated in some way

>>13659068
That's also the stuff turtle and tortoise shells are made of.

>>13655305
There's already a pangolin race in D&D.

They're called dragonborn.

>>13659112

>>13659068
elaborating on >>13659088
I mean there's already plenty of exaggeration of their tongue's prehensile qualities (or lack thereof).

And really we're exaggerating plenty of pangolin traits into making this race.

That's like saying "Pangolin brains are rather small. You guys are exaggerating their sentience." This is fantasy we're talking about. Their scales should be equal to or better than that of various reptilian races.

>>13659130
They have scales and tits at the same time. It's a reasonable assumption.

>>13659071
Done.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13655305/

>>13659148

by that logic plyatpie are part duck.

and birds and flys are closly related.

>>13659179
Platypus. Now THERE'S a good animal to turn into a PC race.

Did you know that the males have venomous spurs on their back feet?

>>13659184

yes.

and the phrase and wikipedia I was looking for was, Convergent Evolution.

Also, insects are crazy little fuckers.

>>13659179
We're talking D&D, man.

In a world where owlbears exist, a platypus is obviously what spawns where the Elemental Planes of Duck, Beaver and Australia intersect.

>>13659213
>Elemental plane of Beaver
Would be awesome if they weren't talking about the animal.

>Elemental plane of Australia
Oh god we're all going to die.

>>13659329
The Elemental Plane of Australia is the Tenth Hell, and the 667th level of the Abyss; the only thing the demons and devils ever agreed on during the Blood War was that neither of them wanted to risk invading it. It's rumored that Sigil isn't a cage meant to keep the Lady of Pain in; it's a cage she built to keep Australia out. The last time it was coterminous with the Forgotten Realms, the Spellplague happened; the last time it was coterminous with Eberron the Mournland appeared.

The Elemental Plane of Australia is not to be fucked with.

>>13659447
While we're talking about Australia, I once designed a 3.5 race of Aborigine-esque Chameleon men (Wati-Kutjara)...

I can post if anyone's interested.

>>13659835
Consider this post a sign of interest.

Pangolin VS Armadillo?
HEAVEN OR HELL

>>13659913
But armadillo seem kind of bland in comparison. Eating contest perhaps?

>>13657683
>>13657714
>>13657742
>>13657790

/r/ a pangolin bard playing a [spoiler]mandolin[/spoiler]

>>13659968
Armadillos spread leprosy to Texans, so they aren't all bad.

>>13660158
Fucking Shell-rats.

Whenever I see one I hit it with as many shotgun rounds as I can, and then run over it in my pickup.

>>13657703

>>13660158
Oh god what.

Does that put them one ahead of all of Australia's bizarre little monstrosities?

>Replace Dragonborn with Pangolids

And the war between the extraplanar sucessors and nature's assault forces began

>>13660233
Not even close.
Look up Leptospirosis; Australian animals will make you sick by stealth-pissing on you. Insult added to injury.

good lord this thread is still alive?

Savage worlds
Size -1
Armor 2
Clawed hands (do Str+d4 damage but -2 to all rolls requiring fine motor skills with hands)
Prehensile tounge