Depends. What level am I?

>>13661109

I preemptively fuck the half elf, that way the half elf will no longer be able to sex up my son without thinking of my wrinkly old ass, therefore making him a safe adventure pal for my son.

>>13661115
You're epic level. You've slain your share of dragons and adventured through the Hells of Baator!

>>13661109
Fuck it, it's his life. He should be able to live it how he likes.

If I forced him to become what I wanted, I'd be no better than the forces of evil I was fighting.

I use smite faggot, and fuck his shit up.

No adventuring for my crippled son. Then I ship his retarded ass off to a monastery.

Problem?

detect evil on the half-elf
if evil, proceed to smiting
if not evil, give him a pair of pants that are enchanted so they can't be removed.

I crack out my clarinet and teach my son to be a bard.

Seriously, there's no reason he can't be a multiclass bard/paladin. If he wants to be a bard, he'll do it along side of his paladining.

I will let him choose his own path in life as long as he remains lawful good. Wait...

>bard
>any nonlawful

Smite that fucker.

I tell my son to always be true to the light and all that is good.
For if he falls to evil he better be prepared to get a paladin on his ass.

>>13661109

The fighter stays resolute. He waits until his son and that fool of a friend of his get into trouble, then he shows up and saves them both, making them see how dangerous the world is.
The barbarian beats the shit out of the kids and drags them back home.
The rogue stabs the friend as a lesson to his son that the world is pain.
The mage mind-controls the son into doing what he wants.
You get the idea.

But the Paladin?
The Paladin did not get to where he is in life through brute force, arcane tricks, or backstabbing. His god may be his calling, his cause may be pure, but there is one thing a Paladin has that no other warrior relies on more.

Straight. Fucking. Charisma.

He lets the son go, goes back home, grabs his wife, and STARTS THE FUCK OVER.

It's so hard to get through to them these days.

>>13661109
He can dance if he wants to. He can leave his friends behind.

'Cause his friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, then they're no friends of mine.

>>13661178

>>13661138

Epic level? Then I guess I impale my son and his friend, set the town ablaze, and become the most bauss blackguard anti-paladin the world has ever known.

Soon tribes of evil humanoids will flock to my cause, and I'll be able to conquer a small area. I won't get too ambitious so that no city will take it upon itself to raise an army against me. I'll then begin my conquest of smaller villages and towns, making sure to spare most of the population, but murdering the bi-curious and the bards in the most nightmarish ways possible.

Eventually I will move on to the larger cities, doing the same, and eventually I will rule the world. There will be no bards or bi-curious elves, and all shall be right.

Then I will retire again, have another son, and "suggest strongly" that he not take after his brother.

>>13661150

wins for wit

>>13661183

wins for badassery

>middle-aged
>paladin

Impossible, the DM would force you to fall before then.

depends on the edition. Since I am epic level, assuming my soon isnt. I roll diplomacy. Suddenly me and my son are bros again and apologizes for running off

>>13661140
>>13661151
These. Well, I might not have been a bard, but I certainly put points into perform.

>Implying I will tolerate the notion of my son becoming an honorless vagabond prowling the dark streets with some ruffian friend of his
Yeah, no. He's going to the fortress citadel of the sunseat to learn the sacred scriptures of Pelor and the proper arts of combat and command therein, and he's going to like it. If he wants to sing to his troops instead of giving them inspiring speeches, let him, but I'll not have any son of mine go Chaotic.

>>13661151
>Seriously, there's no reason he can't be a multiclass bard/paladin.

Alignment restrictions

I constantly read about these "Fall or die" DM's and it makes me feel pretty luck. Although I've been put into a "Fall or ____" situation, it's never been a choice of life or death. I've sacrificed allies and brought down valuable connections, but never had to choose between evil and death.

>>13661260
A bard that becomes lawful can't gain more bard levels, but retains abilities.

NG Bard, alignment change to LG, Paladin.

But he doesn't want to be a paladin at all, so I think multiclassing is out.

>>13661109
Doesn't want to be a paladin, fine.
Be a bard, well, it's not a great choice, but I can live with it.
Bi-curious half-elf partner, well. I don't like it, but I can live with it for the love of my son.

But run off? I THINK NOT. You will call every day, son, and tell us whenever anything significant happens, and you will talk to your mother for a SOLID THREE HOURS EVERY WEEKEND JUST TO MAKE HER HAPPY.

Me and my gaming buddies agreed years ago on what we called the Sacred Knight rule. If someone in the party wants to overcome some restriction in the rules, (in this case the alignment of a paladin) then we talk it over with the other players and come to a conclusion.

We took the Paladin class and slightly restyled it to fit other alignments. If he aint Lawful Good though, he isn't an official paladin; he's a Sacred Knight.

I light up a cigar and tell him not to get killed. I then wink at my elven wife, and ask who his boy's father is.
He's most likely my best friend's son, looks so much like him. I then turn to my wife, and chuckle. "If they fuck, does that mean that by extension, Leon and I had sex?" I ask her. She blinks for a short while and nods approvingly.
"Yeah."
I then let out a long puff and continue on my day.

I'm a paladin? Well, hell, I consult a priest.

And I compel my boy to do the same.

At least he's using his Charisma.

Son, I am appoint.

I nod to him, hand him my holy symbol, my old sword, and some provisions, and let him learn about the world.

He'll either come back wiser and better for it, with or without his lady friend, or get his ass so deep into trouble it triggers the tracking spell on the symbol. I bust into whatever den of ill-repute he's gotten himself into, do some old fashioned smiting of evil, show my son who's boss and why I'm his father, then give him a stern talking-to about why I told him not to get into trouble.

I then tip my hat to his lady friend, and request that she eats dinner with the family one of these days.

>>13661558
>The bicurious half elf
>Lady friend
>Lady

Dohohohohoho

>>13661109
Straight and narrow answer: let him enjoy his life.

funny answer: I tell them to let me join their adventure party as a sort of 'last hoorah' for me. I will proceed to embarrass everyone in my son's party by pretending to be senile and over-the-hill, but when the chips are down i'll throw off the facade, kick a lot of ass and really earn their respect as well as really bond with my son in a way I probably haven't in the years of trying to shove cleric/paladinhood down his throat.

>>13661576
Look, asshat, he's part elf. Its a lady, no matter what dangly parts its got.

>>13661576
In that case I not to his boyfriend and tell him that he should eat dinner with the family one of these days.

>>13661594
It's not gay if it's an elf.

I become the boy's first encounter, as he must escape house arrest before he can run off on his adventure.

I then become a reoccurring NPC in his campaign, like Team Rocket if they were a paladin and your dad.

>>13661109

At first acting as if fully supportive but disspointed by the choice, then quitely grabbing an old cloak, a decent sword and keeping a watchful eye on the pair as they adventure, a guardian angel and safety net should they run into a challange too much for them to overcome.

Also, whenever they are about to do it I'd do something to ruin the moment, from driving goblins into the camp to throwing pine cones or howling at the moon like a werewolf or just clearing my throat really loudly.

No debauched half elf twink is going to seduce my son.

>>13661643
Tell me that's not a dude.

I contact my old friend, the old BBEG from my adventuring days. We've kicked each others asses every day for ten straight years, and we're buds now. I tell him of the situation, let him know where my son's heading, and wait for him to perform his magic. I wait a month or three for him to get it all ready, walk into Ol' Red's dungeon, stride into his personal chambers like I own the place, and sit down to have a chat and drink some tea with him like the old friends we are, while my son and his adventuring party are tied down and staring in shock.

I then stand, shake my head and them, and remind Red to go gentle on them or else I'd have to break out my smiting sword. He chuckles, and I calmly walk out.

>>13661666

I think I see an adam's apple. Hold on, I'll cast Detect Sex.

>I then become a reoccurring NPC in his campaign, like Team Rocket if they were a paladin and your dad.

Why do I think of this as a fucking awesome idea?

>>13661666
She's a nice lady.

(It's polite to refer to transgendered people as the gender they identify with).

As a paladin, they shall call me Captain Cockblock.

higher a villain to kidnap his boyfriend and have him go into the dangerous dungeon to save his "boyfriend"

>>13661722
Heroic, dangerous rescue?
That's practically forcing them to have sex.

>>13661701
>It's polite to refer to transgendered people as the gender they identify with

..and it's accurate to refer to braindamaged freaks as their biological gender, despite their delusions or how they have butchered their bodies.

>>13661722
That makes it sound like your going to have the villain strap a belt of gender change to the half elf.

Not a bad idea. I mean, it's a trivial change on a bisexual half elf.

>>13661722
Are they even boyfriends yet?

>>13661743
They will be after that romantic rescue.

>>13661743

Man, if they're running off with each other they're a bit past just being boyfriends.

>>13661762
Does that mean party-wide orgies are the standard for adventuring troupes?

hmm this sounds suspiciously like how I wanted to start off my next character except replace bard with hexblade and bicurious half elf with half ogre drinking buddy.

As for the wat do, I would tell him he could go, but on two conditions. First he will allow me to travel with for the first month or two or have him hire someone with some experience. Second, when we part ways (assuming he doesn't get tired of adventuring or isn't dissuaded by my argument) he has to punch me in the dick without remorse or fear because he has broken my will to live anyway.

>>13661773
In any game in which one of the party members is someone from your character's old town.
That's the one you fuck.
They are running off together to make their living on the road.

Use my contacts over my many years of adventuring to set him up with a master bard to apprentice under and offer him any other support he may need.

>>13661773

Are you suggesting they're not?

>>13661731
How's that virginity working for you, son?

>>13661809
You aren't forced to lose your virginity to someone who lied about their gender, causing you to alter your perception of the world in order to justify the way it made you feel.

Just so you know.

Because all of the girls I've fucked, were born with vaginas.

>>13661809
Dont directly engage the ultra hetero manchild directly, you will only make him stronger. Rather you should indirectly comment on how we will later venture off to /d/ and masturbate using his guilt fueled tears as lube.

Sage in every field out of principle

>>13661809
probably pretty badly now that he can't complain about it on /r9k/

moot was right to get rid of /r9k/, but i miss telling people to go back to it

>>13661635
OP didn't say if the half-elf was male or female, just that he/she/it was bi-curious. Usually I only hear that term associated with girls, so I'll go with that.

>>13661831

Your left hand doesn't have a vagina.

>>13661863
OP here. The friend is male. Sorry for not making that clear.

>>13661831
>>Because all of the girls I've fucked, were born with vaginas.
I've heard it all feels the same. Real, genuine woman and post-op tranny supposedly feel exactly the same to your dick.
So I wouldn't make that claim with such certainty.

Hire one of my avenger buddies to follow them around.

Any bed they attempt to sleep on together is mysteriously cut in half.

With an execution axe.

>>13661846
adopting sages in support but honestly the problem with little nerd babies is that they think they speak for everybody

so it's pretty nice when everybody comes together to tell them to get out, both for decency and for the benefit of the smaller nerds whose opinions aren't developed, who get to learn that in fact you are allowed to be passable

>>13661886
Post ops don't get periods.

Yes every sexual relationship I've been in has lasted long enough for me to end up stocking tampons at my place.

>>13661913

We don't need to hear about how you jam tampons up your ass to pleasure yourself, take that shit back to /d/

it depends if the bi curious elf is a guy enchanted pants that wont come off if its a girl kill my son fuck his friend with my open minded wife in a crazy month long orgy that would put caligula to shame untill they are pregnant then start over and not have a faggot for a son

>>13661913
yes because i'm sure a transwoman would be honest with you considering what a sensible and decent individuahahhahaha i can't even type it

shake head as they leave and say bard, bicurious, still better than blackguard

>>13661886

I doubt that on the basis of where the FUCK do the fluids come from?

>>13661913

I've had relationships with 2 traps - the first was a switch and the second was a top.

Best sex I've ever had.

Also - less drama.

>>13661937
"She" applies lube beforehand.
The fact that some women are naturally dry make it inconclusive if a woman tells you to lube up or if you catch her applying some inside herself beforehand.

>>13661109
>paladin
>Pelor

They're STILL falling for that? Ha!

Zarus is displeased by the continued existence of such an ABOMINATION as a HALF-ELF. I crush him in half, and Mindrape my son into following the teachings of Zarus.

Next week he begins "paladin training" at a church of "Pelor".

>>13661927
To be fair, you can tell when a woman is on her period. There is a smell. That guy is probably a virgin, but if he really did have a girlfriend for a few months, he could tell with 100% certainty if she was a real woman.

I tell my DM that he needs to stop making shit up about my old characters he forces me to retire just when they reach epic levels.

I then tell the overweight creepy guy that always plays the slutty elf chick to STFU about Trannys being the same as women, because no one is buying it and its just sad.

I then go back to rolling up my new character.

>>13661978
while that is reasonable, he didn't cite a smell, he cited the presence of tampons

let me clarify: his argument was "there are tampons in the possession of this person, therefore this person is undergoing a period"

brb drugstore, becoming a woman objectively

>>13661927
If you live in intimate contact with a woman for an extended period of time, it'd be totally obvious if she was a hack job wazaman instead of the genuine article. Or are you so inexperienced with biology that you would miss the dozens of telltale indicators that lead to the castigation of post ops around the world, and that lead to a continuing gender dysphoria, causing a second increase in suicide rates amongst people who've undergone the surgeries?

Plastic surgery has come a long way, but it can't duplicate mother nature, and we'll probably come up with a cure or simple prophylactic for the developmental disorders that cause transgenderism and homosexuality long before we come up with a perfect gender reassignment procedure.

>>13661992
Is it really that common for post-op transsexuals to buy tampons just to feel like normal women?

>>13661992
A charitable interpretation would be that he didn't feel like getting into describing bodily fluids he saw or smelled that came out of some chick he used to date.
Or his post-op girlfriend threw some tampons in her purse and told him to stock some at his place for her to fool him.

>>13662008
>homosexuality
>disorder
>perfectly natural bilogical trait, happens in other animals, can be useful to the species


ITT: people who would rather be total assholes than ever at any point have to check themselves or what they're doing and saying.

>>13662033
ITT troll feeding

>>13662022
inb4 racism.

>>13662008
>>developmental disorder ... homosexuality
Swing and a miss. I'll give it to you that transsexuals are weird. I really can't wrap my head around that.
I had a pair of gay roommates for a year. They didn't have a disorder. They just were a couple.

I know a guy who really hated his real name. He went by a nickname. Not an obnoxious nickname, just a nickname.

I knew another guy who would intentionally call him by his real name. He was a complete douchebag.
Transphobic dude--you are a douche, just like that asshole, but worse.

>>13661992
I said that tampons were at my house, I didn't say that the presence of tampons was my only clue.

Seriously, have you people never lived with other humans?

>>13662015
The mentally deluded will perform all manor of acts in their quest to self-reinforce their delusion.

Wear the wrong clothing, use the wrong restroom, buy unnecessary hygiene products, there is nothing they will not do to keep themselves from facing reality.

>>13662052
sage can go in every field but only counts in one.

The more you know. Also 78 fucking replies? Really?

/tg/ i'm proud you

speaking of which, the right answer to the op's question is "hug son, enjoy feeling of having raised a kid who is now badass enough to take a pc class, continuing to show him examples of how awesome doing good deeds for pelor is, confident that they will have a positive if indirect effect"

I call up my old wizard pal, and we follow the couple to troll them. Magnificently. Like the Honorable Cockling Ninjas of Ginju, we shall appear in the night and disrupt attempts at romance. Also, borderline harassment.

Later on, there will be some test of character. Bard though he may be, I would be remiss in my parental responsibilities (especially as a paladin) if I did not guide him towards Good.

I archived this because before the homophobes moved in it was quite good. Sorry for archiving a troll thread friends didn't realize it was getting this bad

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13661109/

Polite sage

>>13662052
What's racist about my post?

>>13662070
The right answer is wait till he is high enough level to be worth killing for treasure and delicous Expees. Seriously what kind of adventurer retires, and or doesnt kill anything that looks at him funny regardless of anything.

>>13662066
>>Seriously, have you people never lived with other humans?
Sorry. Raised by wolves. I'm typing this on my computer made out of leaves.
BRB: gotta kill a dear for some dinner and then piss everywhere to mark my territory.

>troll
How do you know it's a troll? There are a ton of privileged cisgendered heterosexual upper-middle-class white males who believe that shit.

>>13662087
>inb4 racism
>in response to your post
>your post is b4racism
>still claiming that anyone said your post was racist

>>13662086
you really just archived it because WW posted.

>>13662085
>>Paladin shows up to disrupt your sexy times
Advice bard
>>Look him in the eye. Finish.

> Most of thread isn't childish homophobic responses

>>13662108

You. I like your style. We should be friends.

>>13662096
You can believe in what you say and still be a troll. The purpose of a troll is to stir up controversy and derail threads. Congrats for letting him succeed. The transgendered community is forever in your debt, Sir White Knight.

>>13662058
Homosexuality is a maladaptive trait that is almost certainly caused by action of chemicals or mothers immune system in utero. It is not the natural consequences of your genes, and even if it were, it would still be maladaptive. By definition, it is a disorder, and the process by which it was rehabilitated as behavior set in the eyes of the medical professional is a very interesting story full of politics and empty of medical justification.

Great for homosexuals if they manage to live happy, healthy, productive lives despite their disadvantages, but the same can be said for a person with dyslexia or any number of other disorders of the brain.

>>13662118
> or any number of other disorders of the brain.

Such as being conservative, or christian ?

I have my paladin tell Pelor summon the GM into the world, so he can slap the GM's shit.

If Pelor doesn't, I'm epic level, so I slap his shit until he doesn't.

>>13662118
>Homosexuality is a maladaptive trait
Except it isn't.
Having a percentage of the tribe be homosexual, and thus contributing to food source &etc but not breeding, can help the entire tribe to succeed by contributing extra resources. Essentially, more people to provide for the young, the young are more successful. It's certainly not significantly harmful... as you can tell by the fact that it's survived in so many creatures.

>>13662096
yeah confirming this for one asshole posting on both sides

i know my faggots, and nobody talks like this

>>13662118
PRO TIP: dyslexia makes life harder inherently, homosexuality only makes life harder because of homophobic assholes.

Might as well call being left-handed or red-haired a maladaptive trait and a disorder.

>>13662118
>>Homosexuality is a ... trait that is almost certainly caused by action of chemicals or mothers immune system in utero. It is not the natural consequences of your genes
True.

>>By definition, it is a disorder
Nope.
Prenatal hormones cause male homosexuality. That's not a disorder. That's a neutral consequence of a certain profile of prenatal hormones that usually comes about by having a bunch of older brothers.

>>13662144
>implying real people don't use the term "cisgendered"

The nanosecond any son of mine decides to desert a proper Seminary School education so that he can go live a life of chaotic debauchery with some punk friend of his, he's disowned.

I won't stop him, and he can take the damn college fund-it's his anyway, but he is no son of mine. I will go and have another, and raise him better.

>>13662165
>I am a fucking assshole.

>>13662118

While I agree with you about the fact that homosexuality is almost certainly a chemical process I don't believe you realize that heterosexuality too is a chemical process. Homosexuality is maladaptive in nature, truthfully, but it does not act as such in human society due to every individual not really needing to continue the species.

I also don't think you realize that the chemical inbalances required to cause a behaviour change of this magnitude is most likely genetic in nature, it could be cured with a regimen of drugs though.

I don't have anything against homosexuality of either sex, but I also like truth, so there it is.

>>13662128
Sire you wound me

No, because you win the game of life by leaving your mark on the future, and in 10,000 generations, no one will know who Martin Luther King Junior or Milk was, but if you were successful, they might have a touch higher probability of having your genes, and that's the only REAL legacy a man can ever have (unless he destroys the world, then he has a very real legacy without spreading his genes).

>>13662152
Fuck you. Call your college professor and ask him for a refund because you learned FUCK ALL in biology class.

There is NO published paper in Nature, Cell or Science proving that correlation.

Get the fuck of the internet and back to studying.

>>13662154
you are so bad at reading words

and by that i mean you are samefagging and pretending to be so bad at reading words

>>13662171
>No, because you win the game of life by leaving your mark on the future
No, you don't.
There is no game of life. You don't win it or lose it. There is nothing inherently superior about passing your genes on. It's a biological urge for most people, but it is not inherently good or bad. You are using subjective value judgements, and stupid ones at that.

>>13662171

Except that your genes aren't really 'you', they have existed in some combo before, and will be taken apart after so many generations.

It's not like anyone have a unique trait now that will be developed in their spawn.

>My face when yet another decent thread shitted up by trolls and troll-feeders.

And I usually think so highly of /tg/!

>>13662167
I'm not an asshole, I'm just conscious of the future. If I allow this creature to continue being my son, he will fill the mind of my next son with seditious thoughts when visiting-no doubt with all of his rowdy friends.

By cutting him off, and with a damn sight more money than I had when I started adventuring, he's got an alright shot at the life he has chosen, and he is no longer a threat to my raising of my other children.

>>13662189
Genes do not define you wholly.

Those genes may be expressed or not under certain conditions. Ie are those genes open and accessable to be transcribed by RNA pol II at a specific time? Go look up heterochromatin, euchromatin and silencing factors

>>13662182

Sorry but while his homophobic statements do not really ring well with me I can say that the entire reason you are alive today is because your genes "want" you to pass them on.

Winning at living is to pass on your genetic material, hopefully many times according to your genetic code. It is inherently "good" to pass on your genes because that is what your body, and indeed all life as we know it, came to exist.

Now "good" by a human definition can be entirely different, and it didn't enter into my logic here

>>13662195
I know right?

Lemme tell you, you're damned lucky I'm not an Avenger son, otherwise I would label your friend as a paladin gone heretic.

>>13662128

Those... don't really affect one's ability to breed. Nor are they argued as natural. They're cultural devices, not biological traits. You're being silly. Stop that.

Anywho, to put the whole homosexuality thing into context, look at it like this - it's generally argued that homosexuality is a perfectly natural, biologically-sourced trait, correct? Now, as a general rule, if a trait is beneficial (i.e. it improves breeding odds) it is passed on generationally and eventually becomes universal in a species - because the members of the species with the best odds of breeding win out in the end. But homosexuality is the polar opposite of that - by definition, it inhibits breeding. So then, how is it passed on? Think about it - homosexuals do not reproduce in any but a tiny handful of contexts, so if homosexuality works at all like other evolutionary adaptations, it wouldn't be passed on. You need biological offspring for that.

In simplest terms, species don't really develop traits that negatively influence survival odds - or rather, they do, but they're soon bred out of the population for that exact fucking reason. Nonetheless, we see more homosexuals in society now than ever. What, then, is the source of homosexuality?

>>13662225
Beards.

My grandma was a lesbian, but she had children with my grandpa.

>>13662216
>son doesn't fulfill your expectations
>disown him
Yeah, because doing that means your next kid won't eventually hear how you disowned your first child because he wanted to do his own thing, and he'll resent you for thinking that you're just using him to live your life all over again.

>>13662136
>>13662170
Homosexuality is not genetic. This is fairly well established because if it were genetic, it would follow certain patterns, and have a certain probability distribution.

It does not, so it cannot be genetic.

Homosexuality and transgenderism result when a few specific portions of the brain do not develop correctly. There is currently research looking into why, but funding is getting tighter and tighter, as they approach an answer, because the answer will lead to a preventative cure.

And the bears don't want their supply of twinks to run dry, so we can't have that.

And just for the particularly slow tonight, let me just state that I am talking the piss, deliberately phrasing at least half of each post to present my point in a more inflammatory way than necessary, because I like to see all the closet homogays jump to defend the imaginary homogays that I am slighting, as if I were a beast of a man unable to conduct myself civilly and even amicably around people who are different then me.

>>13662195
Every board has its ups & downs.

dealwithit.gif

>>13662225
If memory serves according to the CDC the percentage of self-identified male homosexuals in America hovers around 2.5 to 3% of the population.
Female identified homosexuals vacillates between 2-6% (this number needs citation).

I am mostly OK with this. To be fair, though, my god is flaming

>>13662219
>Sorry but while his homophobic statements do not really ring well with me I can say that the entire reason you are alive today is because your genes "want" you to pass them on.
So what?

>>13662242
>This is fairly well established because if it were genetic, it would follow certain patterns, and have a certain probability distribution.
Which... it pretty much does, but genetics isn't nearly that simple. It's not like there's a "gay gene". When you're talking about things like a combination of multiple genes with hormonal effects, shit gets complicated.

>>13662242
>I am intentionally acting like a douchebag!
>but I totally don't act like a douchebag in real life!
So why do you feel the need to act like a douchebag here? Is it really so hard to just not be an asshole?

>>13662242
>Homosexuality and transgenderism result when a few specific portions of the brain do not develop correctly. There is currently research looking into why, but funding is getting tighter and tighter, because we haven't actually classified homosexuality as a mental disorder for fucking decades so anyone searching for the source of the genetic disorder that is homosexuality is an incompetent scientist and deserves no funding

>>13662225
Recessive gene most likely. It takes more effort to come about, but can't really be eliminated from the gene pool because of it.

>>13662182

Or you misinterpreted a fairly clear statement. He's saying that a "win" at life is constituted by survival and the passing on of genetic material. The goal of life, in a grand sense, is to survive. Perpetuation is what all life is designed to do all of the time. Seriously, that's how life works. All species are adapted with the sole purpose being to survive their environments more reliably. And that's where beneficial evolutionary traits come from - they improve an individual animal's odds of breeding, and if it breeds, they might be passed on. Multiply this over a number of animals and you'll see that the ones with this breeding advantage pass their genes on more readily than the ones without, which eventually results in the universality of that advantage within a few generations. There's no value judgement whatsoever in knowing the basic goddamn tenets of evolution.

>>13662242

I don't quite understand how admitting to being a troll makes you superior.

>>13662242
>implying sexuality follows mendelian laws of independent assortment
>and isn't a multi-factorial phenotype.

Fuck you sir. You are just as bad as 'homosexuality is caused by hormonal changes' asswipe previous.

ah, my boy..

I will still expect to see him every time he is on this side of the continent. And he better scrape up some cash to send me a letter now and then. Should never be too busy to write a letter to your mum.

Figure out the first town they will reach and have a care package sent ahead. You know, some of those ropes that i had always promised him, plus his father's old carved wooden dowels. And the finest travel bread i know how to mak.. well.. buy.

Going to have to steal a few minutes with that young elf of his though. Make sure he is a decent sort, not related to one of those Under-dweller types or cultists.


This whole thing might be just a phase, and we will be here to help him get back to leveling Paladin. If he decides to remain a multi-class, well.. the heart is in the right place.

>>13662225
>Now, as a general rule, if a trait is beneficial (i.e. it improves breeding odds) it is passed on generationally and eventually becomes universal in a species
NO NO NO NO NO
Learn basic biology jesus fucking christ.

There are plenty of traits that are only advantageous when *some* of the population has them. For example, recklessness and inventiveness--having reckless, inventive people was really, really valuable to humanity, but having a stable pool of mostly NON-reckless people was also valuable.

To make this clear for you: if there was a magical trait X that appeared 1/100th of the time, made the person who had it infertile, but allowed them to, say, be a super-genius, this would be a very beneficial trait to the POPULATION, despite not being beneficial to the individual it manifests in.

>>13662241
Perhaps. Or perhaps he will see an elder brother who had my full approval and support, and then threw it away to go drinking and whoring in grimy taverns with his vagabond buddies, while he is left to scrape for my love with his inferior talents.

This is pretty elementary story structure.

>>13662242

>intentionally trolling a fairly good thread

I hate you so much sir. We can't have nice things because of your sort. Why? Why?

>>13662288
This gentleman is correct. A mutation carried by a fraction of a cooperative population may increase the fitness of the species as a whole.

Someone payed attention in bio thank god.

>>13662296
Amusingly, bards are generally more worthwhile to a party than a paladin, especially if the party already has a cleric.

as long as he eventually comes back to start a family to continue our proud bloodline, he can do whatever the fuck he wants in his youth.

>>13662271
>'homosexuality is caused by hormonal changes'
Prenatal hormones. Likely caused by stress or changes that occur by a mother's immune system not liking male fetuses in it. A man's likelihood of being gay correlates very strongly with the number of older brothers he has.

>>13662242
So, you're not really a retarded bigot, you're an accepting, laid-back dude PRETENDING to be a retarded bigot on /tg/, for fun?

first off... considering the typical paladin of pelor, they do tend to be a bit more flexible than say paladins of St. Cuthbert... Even those are a bit more on the not so douchebaggery side of things.

So, probably since I probably gave birth to this guy... At least ask him to keep the tenets of the faith in mind in his actions and there's no guarantee that the friend will even be his type or my son will be the friend's type so I'm not sweating it too much until one of them comes back stuck polymorphed into a female and knocked up. Then, there will be lots of explaining to do... And I'll have a mage to go track down for a bit more fixing of that mess!

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>>13662219
First off, I am not a homophobe, nor has anything I've posted been homophobic. A homophobe is a person who is afraid of homosexuals, a homophobic statement is a statement that professes fear and lack of knowledge. "I hope I don't catch the Homogay from that pansy at the gym" non-ironically is a homophobic statement. Calling Homosexuality a brain disorder is not.

Second, if this discussion has you asspained, or convinced that my tone is one of hatred, ignorance, anger, or impolitic, you need to reexamine the way you perceive or interact with people who hold opinions you disagree with.

Also I am amused to report that I am not the only evil heteronomal master race poster in this thread.

>>13662264

Possible, yes. Still puzzling to wonder why it came about at all, though, from a purely genetic perspective. Homosexuality doesn't really provide any benefits to survival that I can think of.

>>13662260

What about the pills prescribed for every mental illness we seem to all have nowadays? Is that any different? Disorders that make us hyperactive and less productive? Pill. Disorders that make us less sociable and more hostile to human contact? Pill. Disorders that result in less emotional stability? Pill again. Disorder that makes you gay? OH GOD BLOOD FROM A THOUSAND HEARTS IS STAINING MY CARPETS WHY.

Seriously, we do EXACTLY THE SAME THING for MUCH more minor mental deviations from the perceived norm - why is it everyone starts tearing their hair out and weeping over the idea of treating non-heterosexuality similarly? If it's some horrible, horrible offense to even DARE to SUGGEST that homosexuality might be... CORRECTABLE... then why the fuck does nobody shriek and cry about human rights violations when kids dose up on Ritalin and practically lose all semblance of a goddamn soul? Seriously, that shit sucks the life completely out of a human being and nobody says a fucking word. There's a tremendous double standard here.

When he drags his ass back to me, crying and sobbing about how bards are underpowered and useless and it turns out that elf cocks have barbs on them, I'll smile, lean down, and tell him to use his Gather Information skill to find someone who cares.

Then I will go back and fuck my nymph girlfriend. Shit will be so cash.

>>13662357
Seriously, dude, is it so hard not to act like a douchebag? Of COURSE calling homosexuality a disorder is homophobic. It's being intentionally derogatory and marginalizing, and you're not even doing it because you believe it, you're doing it because you enjoy PRETENDING to be a douchebag?

That, sir, makes you a douchebag just as surely as thepeople who DO believe that shit.

>>13662309
Oh I'm sure that nobody is questioning the usefulness of bards. Queen Illeosa was a bard, and look how she turned out.
No, this isn't about him not wanting to be a Paladin, he could've been any number of legitimate, constructive careers, a Priory education is very versatile you know.

This is about cutting college and running off to Varisia to hang out with gypsies, do a lot of drugs, and screw around in dungeons. This is about refusing to simply take a music class on the side. This is about spitting in the face of tradition and *me* because he thinks he knows best. Oh I've talked to him about the inherent unsustainability of the adventurer lifestyle, I've talked to him about how stupid it is to go into a business that involves glabrezus and disintegration traps, but he wants none of it.

Well that's his choice, not mine.

>>13662296

> mfw I read this in Jeffrey Tambor's beautiful yet masculine baritone.

>>13662357
>Calling Homosexuality a brain disorder is not.

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too busy fucking every lady and driving a car really fast and eating ten burgers to read threads i see

Homosexuality is good because it keeps the population down

All other opinions are dildoes

>>13662314
Ray Milton Blanchard (who came up with a the Fraternal birth order and male sexual orientation theory) noticed a correlation.

He made a hypothesis to explain it you dumb fuck. This is NOT an empirically biochemically verifieified mechanism that nails down causation.

The real way to prove the hypothesis would be to induce hormone(s) X into a w who is having her first child (if experiment is done with proper controls, lets not touch the ethics here right now) and see if the child(en) have a higher chance of becoming gay.

Ray Milton Blanchard is a Psychologist. He is not a real biologist and though the correlation is interesting statistically, it may be incorrect and his hypothesis certainly isn't gospel truth.

TL;DR Learn to critically think you dumb fuck.

>>13662372
>>then why the fuck does nobody shriek and cry about human rights violations when kids dose up on Ritalin and practically lose all semblance of a goddamn soul
I'm against that just as much as I'm against 'curing' homosexuality. It doesn't need to be 'corrected'. Nothing is incorrect about it.

>>13662398
Sounds like butthurt.

>>13662324
I am no a bigot. If I were a bigot, I'd be claiming that transgendered and homosesual people don't have the same rights as a normal person, or suggesting that they need to be forced to act like they aren't the way they are. All I'm saying is you give the right people 15-20 years and sufficient grant moneys, and you will get a preventive cure for their condition (that sadly, won't be of any help to those already afflicted).

And that considering the increased rate of suicide amongst those with gender disphoria (both pre-op and once the luster has worn off the experience of being a post of) and homosexual tendencies, even in communities that accept and support them, you'd be a monster of a parent to not protect your children in this way, assuming you could afford it.

>>13662388
>Queen Illeosa was a bard, and look how she turned out.
Loaded praise if there ever was any.

>>13662376
>bards are underpowered and useless
I'd rather have a bad in my party than a paladin.

Why not have both?

>>13662425
If the boy had it in him to be a paladin, he'd be one. Obviously he doesn't, as he's some sort of fruity flavor of Chaotic. Doesn't mean he couldn't be a cleric.

>>13662419
>>And that considering the increased rate of suicide amongst those with gender disphoria (both pre-op and once the luster has worn off the experience of being a post of) and homosexual tendencies, even in communities that accept and support them, you'd be a monster of a parent to not protect your children in this way, assuming you could afford it.
Is that suicide from them being wrong in the head, or them being socially rejected by most people? You and I are lucky that we get socially accepted by most people thanks to our heteronormative lifestyles. If fucktards would stop treating gays like subhumans in public (not an exaggeration, sadly, I had to witness this a few weeks ago), gays probably wouldn't kill themselves as much.

>>13662225

I'm definitely on the pro-gay side of this, but I think you're falling into a common misconception of evolutionary biology. A genetic blueprint is not perfect, and not every action or tendency of an organism is necessarily adaptive. Consider, for example, the large number of fetishes that exist in the human population. For the most part, they're neither adaptive nor maladaptive: it's not like getting off on leather boots will affect your chances of siring offspring. They exist because human sexuality itself is adaptive, but human sexuality also, coincidentally, or at least through reasons that don't have much to do with adaptation, can have many other side effects that are not adaptive.

For that matter, we didn't really evolve a gene for surfing the internet, and that particular human behavior being adaptive or not is kinda missing the point. We evolved the genetic substrata like intelligence and opposable thumbs to make internet browsing possible, and the behavior largely exists outside of the selective pressures. I think the same applies to the spectrum of human sexual behavior.

The whole debate is based on the laughable premise that that purely descriptive statements of evolutionary biology describing which traits tend to persist constitute definitions of good and evil, anyway.

>>13662381

Man, I don't even buy into the "gay people have a disorder" thing and I think you're eight kinds of wrong. Homophobia is, literally, a phobia of homosexuals - an irrational fear of them. Nothing more, nothing less. Being derogatory toward homosexuality is not the same as being homophobic. Jesus Christ, I hear American media fuck this up so fucking often and all it would take is about five minutes and a DICTIONARY.

Note: I am neither assuming you are nor accusing you of being American. I am relating your misunderstanding of the meaning of the term homophobia to a context I quite commonly see it in.

>>13662372
Because homosexuality is not a problem, while ADD *is*, you asshole. Homosexuality doesn't negatively impact my quality of life--homophobic assholes do. "Correcting" homosexuality is like "correcting" blackness, or redheadedness, or whatever.
Gay people are actively oppressed. I literally don't have the same rights you have, and it's only quite recently that it stopped being fucking *illegal* in, say, Texas. We're looked down on, bullied all throughout school, sometimes like crazy. It's not a fucking accident gay teen suicide rates are so high.
If you can't understand why people who give a shit might not like you talking about "curing" it or, especially, calling it a disorder, then maybe you're just not as genteel as you think you are.

Oh, and ritalin doesn't suck the life out of me. It makes me able to actually, say, do coursework for more than 20 minutes at a time. It lets me actually fucking succeed, which I was not doing without it.

Saying shitty things and then being a smug douche about it does not make you smart or rational. It just makes you a smug douche.

>>13662443
I'm with this guy... He could always be a very inspirational cleric of Pelor who was incredibly good at turning undead into chicken shits that ran the fuck away from him.

>>13662458
Holy shit, learn how words are used.

>>13662225
Group and kin selection.

Worker bees don't reproduce and never pass on their genes.

Why do worker bees exist?

>>13662458
Homophobia is not a thing.
It's not a recognized phobia, and even gay people can't seem to agree what the fuck it is.

It's simply a word chosen to mean "Negative opinion towards homosexuals".

>>13662476

TO DIE IN THE NAME OF THE HIVE

IT IS DECIDED

THE GAYS SHALL BE ENSLAVED TO WORK AS LABORERS FOR THE SWARM

>>13662461
My normal response would be to joke about my kids taking yours' lunch money, but that's not much of an option.

>>13662499
I think that your need to be an asshole on the internet is symptomatic of a problem, and, furthermore, I strongly doubt it doesn't bleed over into real life.

>>13662495
I'm straight.

I don't like to see two guys cornholing. Most straight guys don't. There is an instinctive revulsion.

Still not a homophobe.

>>13662265

There's value judgment in imputing a value to evolutionary outcomes. Your post is rife with teleological wankery that any serious evolutionary biologist would disown, even those who are characterized as strident Darwinists (go read your Dawkins ferchrissakes). That certain genes persist has fuck all to do with purpose or meaning, and any biologist who claims they have insight into those things because of their biology is selling you a bill of goods. It means no more and no less than that, with the chemical makeup of the atmosphere, ambient temperature, and so on, the chemical makeup of the Earth's oceans tend toward whatever state. They're describing facts of the universe, not enduring moral meaning.

ITT: people who think gays aren't good for society.

Hope none of y'all enjoy musical theater.

>>13662464
He probably could have, except it looks like his dad is just a hardass who wanted him to be in the church no matter what and obviously thinks the worst of his son simply because he wants to run off to become an adventurer, and let's face it, how many of that paladin's buddies were just like his own son, wanting to break from the mold their parents wanted to start their own path?

>>13662504
Ironically, I don't need to point out anything about you that is symptomatic of a problem that bleeds over into real life, as you've already done it for me.

>>13662508
He's borrowing the argument from A Selfish Gene.

>>13662507
Nobody's making you watch two guys cornholing, asshole. But it's not instinctive, it's socialized.

>>13662306

>Implying natural selection takes place at the communal rather than gene's level

>>13662522
>chooses to spend his free time "trolling", that is, intentionally acting like a dumbass on the internet.
>still thinks he's superior to someone
>laughinggirls.jpg

>>13662512
>>Hope none of y'all enjoy musical theater.
I don't.
And the two gay guys I knew who were in theater I didn't like.
I don't mind gay guys in general, but the theater ones piss me off for some reason.

>>13662495
How does your post relate to mine?

>>13662529
You're a moron.

>>13662529
Kin selection, maybe?
If you support your genes in others of your community, it all works out in the end. Worker bees and whatnot.

>>13662513
Okay point. However, when did OP say that it was the dad? I see one fa/tg/uy suggesting it might be the mother.... Although I don't want to consider the implications of the rest of that post.

Although, I have played a bard/cleric multiclass that was actually very fun to play honestly.

>>13662529
Would people who don't understand biology please stop talking about it?

Of COURSE it does. Not all traits show up in every member of a population. A trait that is negative to the person who has it but beneficial for the population as a whole will persist, because *the population in which that trait tends to occur benefits overall*.

>>13662525

No, he's not. Dawkins makes damn sure he doesn't impute teleology to his ruminations, and while he adopts the language most of the time for ease of communication (turns out "genes seek their survival" is a less of a mouthful than "the genes that give a marginal improvement in chances of survival persist"), he periodically ensures that his ruminations can be translated into more philosophically sound language.

That evolution has anything to teach us about our purpose in life has never been a respectable position in either evolutionary biology or philosophy.

>>13662563

Allow me to summarize:

He read A Selfish Gene and didn't understand the nuances. B+ for reading it.

>>13662512
Personally, I like musical theatre. I've never really understood the whole gay thing, it seems to me to boil down pretty easy.

A Guy: "These people are something we don't like, and our God hates them."

Me: "I have encountered this sort of thing before. We must destroy them to prevent them from breeding and ruining our future by dominating our culture genetically."

A Guy: "Ah... Well, they don't breed, that's a thing."

Me: "Oh. So they aren't a problem?"

A Guy: "Well no, they are a problem."

Me: "How, because they occur in large numbers?"

A Guy: "No, their numbers are actually very small, and they often kill themselves."

Me: "Are they expensive to deal with?"

A Guy: "No, not really. They mostly give us something to argue about at election time, and design our fashions."

Me: "Perhaps they convert others to their ways?"

A Guy: "Not really, there's no evidence of that."

Me: "I feel that I was given a false impression of the severity of this situation."

>>13662513
Up until pretty recently, churches were synonymous with colleges. If you wanted to know anything about anything, then you attended a church-college.

You guys do realize that in a since, your genes win out, if a relative of yours passes on code that is similar to yours?

This is how bee hives make sense.

>>13662579

For every gay man there is one less person who is competing with me for that hot chick.

The numbers work for me.

>>13662456

Hell, that's the best case I've heard all night.

>>13662403

And now we're getting somewhere. The drive to medically "correct" human behaviour is the proverbial double-edged sword. Forget the narrow issue of whether or not you can "fix the gay people" and push the boundaries out a little - we do this for EVERYTHING. Seriously, if it can be constructed as a mental disorder, major psychiatric circles like the APA and large pharmaceutical companies will both actively promote it as such and endeavour to see it officially recognized as something that can be treated with medicine or therapy. I know some people consider this paranoia, and I also know that a lot of people ARE genuinely absurdly paranoid about the evil plans of head doctors or some such shit, but there is a legitimate and MAJOR problem in the mindset that exists in the medical community today.

See, as it is, medicine is half about health care and half about enforcing normative values and correcting perceived deviance. The problem is, there is absolutely no line that's been drawn. It's all one gigantic, inseperable morass of genuine threatening conditions that lower a person's quality of life and risk his health and wellbeing, and deviant behavioural aspects that society as a greater entity rejects as undesireable. There's a pill for both and it's completely indiscriminate.

This isn't just about "correcting gays". The social perception of homosexuality today doesn't really suggest that occurring as a genuine risk in future. What we should see and combat is what happens NOW - replace "gay" with "disassociative disorder" or any of literally HUNDREDS of extremely vague, falsely-medicalized pseudo-conditions and apparently no-one's got a problem with suppressing it with a pill. If you people reject the idea of doing it to gays so readily, reject it in the cases where it's already done, too.

>>13662381
Phobia implies fear. Call me homoinsensitive if you must, but even that is not really true unless you are unable to define people by anything other than their associated status according to proponents of gender preference identity politics, who, like the people who promote racial identity politics, actually hurt relations between two otherwise unaligned persons who don't fall into the same division in their victim/exploiter class matrix.
>>13662397
Population will be falling soon enough anyways, looking at birthrate trends (even amougst populations where homosexuals are persecuted and executed, so you can't hardly tell me that it's due to homosexuals), this planet will never see 10 billion people, and we are probably looking at a billion or fewer inhabitants by the end of the millennium.
>>13662455
The trends in suicide statistics remain even if you only look at homosexuals who live in a community that is accepting and "enlightened", even if they have supportive loving families.

It's just that they are exasperate further in places where they are likely to be disowned and spit upon.

>>13662609
>extremely vague, falsely-medicalized pseudo-condition
Man, you can fuck *right* off. I have ADD, and I fucking love my meds, they let me function properly. I've known people with clinical depression and let me assure you it's not a fucking picnic.

The difference between these things and homosexuality is that *these things impair the ability to function*. Being gay doesn't. Homophobia does, but curing gays because of homophobia is like curing colored people because of racism.

>>13662579
Genius.
I'm copying this.

>>13662579
You have just transcribed the majority of my Catholic life for me in screenplay format. Just shuffle around the subjects, not much else has to be changed.
Most of it comes down to "You fucks need a war, you're running out of good shit to argue about."

>>13662621
>The trends in suicide statistics remain even if you only look at homosexuals who live in a community that is accepting and "enlightened", even if they have supportive loving families.
The rate may be higher (because they still feel different, and still get harassed), but not much so.

>Call me homoinsensitive if you must, but even that is not really true
Are you kidding? You intentionally set out to have your laughs at their expensive and marginalize them. It's true as fuck.

I'm with the faggot. You're an asshole, plain and simple. You just wrap that assholish nature up in pseudointellectualism to feel better about yourself.

Trolling is easy. Being a decent human being isn't quite as easy.

I don't understand the problem.

So, the elf is bi-curious? Your son, being the noble and loyal boy that you raised will undoubtedly aid his friend in finding whatever manner of gender he would like to experiment with.

He'd be the best god damn wing-man you could ever ask for, all the while figuring out how to play Ace of Spades and Stairway to Heaven on his instrument.

He'd play at the elf's potentially homosexual wedding; everyone would rock out and praise him as a lord of his craft.

He'd find a girl, settle down and make lots of little babies to carry on your genetic legacy. He'd probably name one of them after you.

He'd tell your grand-child stories of your youth, when your armor shone light in to the darkest corners of the world; when your blade brought the flame that scattered the cold winds of suffering and regret and brought warmth to the hearts of the hopeless.

That child would hear of your deeds and take up the sword anew - he would trek in to the world, determined to make it a brighter place for everyone because that's what his father taught him; because that's what you taught your son.

In the end, when the last breaths of life are leaving you, you will realize that the world will become a better place not because of your righteous steel - but because you raised a strong boy.

>>13662670

Someone else figured out they may not be bunk buddies? Wahoo! Still, love that one. Love that one. I'd throw in The Bard's Song just for epic lulz and win.

>>13662670
That was beautiful, poster. Just what this troll-besieged thread needed.

>>13662712
>>13662688

Shall we all give the elegan/tg/entle free internets?

>>13662662
>Are you kidding? You intentionally set out to have your laughs at their expensive and marginalize them. It's true as fuck.
This has no supporting evidence, and I'm not even that guy.

On 4chan, being mean is easy. In reality, this gentleman's reasoning is far better established than the majority of the anti-gay crowd, and with considerably more room for tolerance than most of his contemporaries. He recognizes that this is a condition that should be eliminated if possible, because it is inconvenient for all involved, NOT because it is something evil to be destroyed. He does not advocate the ostracization of homosexuals on any grounds, nor does he advocate their material termination.

His position is only offensive because you are determined for it to be offensive. He is not even advocating a course of action, except for further research to be done. You are substituting everyone who has ever conflicted with you on this point for him, because it is easier to rationalize a homogenous entity of hatred disagreeing with you than somebody with an actual opinion based at least to degrees in fact disagreeing with you.

>>13662729
>He recognizes that this is a condition that should be eliminated if possible, because it is inconvenient for all involved
>His position is only offensive because you are determined for it to be offensive.
It must be nice to be so privileged that you can't understand why being told that you need to be "cured" is offensive, and so apathetic that you don't even bother to try and figure it out.

>>13662634

Yeah, I know a bit about clinical depression too. It was a shitty fucking time in my life, but 4chan isn't my goddamn pity party, so I'll leave off at "Yeah, I've been there." In point of fact, I've used medication for depression too. I KNOW there are legitimate cases. I'm not rejecting all medical responses to everything that's ever been called a mental disorder. I'm saying that there isn't ANY distinction - if it seems disruptive enough that it'll fly, it gets tossed in as a medical disorder. Read my fucking post again until you get that part. There are plenty of legitimate mental disorders. There are also plenty that *aren't*. All are *equally* treated by compounds that can have (and indeed, are MEANT to have) major impacts on one's mental and emotional state. And this is a goddamn problem.

>>13662729
Actually, his position is offensive because he's calling homosexuality a disorder. It's like when atheists call religion a disorder. And I say that as a pretty hardcore atheist.

But yeah, it's a pretty scummy thing to do, either way. The difference is that nobody's out there trying to cure religious people, while there are plenty of people out there insisting that gay people are bad and wrong or just "disordered" and need to be cured.

>>13662749
It is very nice, yes. Don't mistake me for a rational, friendly man, because I'm not one. I'm here to make you feel bad, because that brings me pleasure.
The fact that he is succeeding simply by being sensible is overpoweringly fascinating to me, so I bring it up.

>>>/b/

<------- It's that way. Let's take the homophobe/pro-gay/homosensitive crap back to where it belongs and deal with the topic at hand...

Your Paladin's slightly wayward son and his indecisive half-elven friend.

>>13662756
You could say that about physical conditions, such as the use of antibiotics when it might not be really necessary (which is, frankly, a lot more worrying). Are kids who don't need it prescribed adderall or whatever? Occasionally, sure, but I don't think it's as common as you're making it out to be. The people I knew who took it really did function better with it. The ones that had side effects got switched to a different drug without the side effects.

Also, you're against unnecessarily medicating people, but you want to medicate gay people straight? The fuck?

>>13662769
>nobody's out there trying to cure religious people

You, sir, need to read more. When I hear half so many voices raised against Sam Harris, perhaps I will give some thought to the gay-boy's feelings.

>>13662769
>nobody's out there trying to cure religious people

when religious groups meet they don't try to cure each other, they try to KILL each other.

>>13662782
>proud to be an asshole
If there's something that we need to cure, it's this.

>>13662769
>nobody's out there trying to cure religious people

You must have missed them, they're all over /sci/ and /b/ last I checked those boards. Although "Cure" and "kill" my not be synonyms, they treat them like they are.

Sage because despite the awesome of some posters (looking at >>13662670 here), this thread is in no fucking way /tg/ related anymore.

>>13662749
Except I'm not saying that Messr.s Trap, Reverse Trap, Fag and Dyke need to have someone fish about in their thinking meats until they act like a "regular" person.

I'm just saying that a given fetus should be (if possible) protected from the developmental issues affecting the above, and all of the emotional and psychological baggage that comes with the expression of these developmental issues.

Is that so controversial?

>>13662802

Sam Harris is one particular gay guy.

You can't compare Sam Harris to a shitton of relgious whatever.

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You could argue that we deserve this, given that we're so easy to manipulate. Onwards to armageddon!

>>13662802
I don't think you get it, dude. There are entire groups out there, fairly well-funded groups, whose sole purpose is to convince homosexuals that they need to be "cured". And then put them in programs to try to "cure" them, which is a shitty process that generally fucks them up worse. And they charge for these things, generally.

There is nothing like that for religious people.

>>13662838
Only because there aren't enough of them yet, the bastards.

>>13662816

Unintended consienquences, son.

It's why we don't bother to cure the common cold, and it gets fair to close to something like left handed ness.

Also, it's friggin' crazy to think that you can control that kind of stuff at all well.

>>13662749

Since this IS /tg/, I may as well say this in a way that is relevant: "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt."

>>13662782

You know, just going off of that, it's almost assured that you could be diagnosed as any of a dozen minutely different things that all boil down to "sociopathic" at day's end. Surprise - you can be cured of that by taking medication. Your mind is wrong. Luckily, there are ways to fix that.

And that, my friend, is basically how you'd be perceived and treated from a psychiatric perspective. It's rather an unpleasant line of work. It's like someone decided it was clever to start letting people with engineering degrees provide life counsel and emotional support. =/

What I do is take the half-elf aside and say, "You make my boy happy, and you'll have a friend for life in me. If you love each other, your marriage will be blessed. I don't care if you're heterosexual or bi-curious or transgendered or whatnot... but I'll tell you this much, you'd best be *monogamous*, or by Pelor I swear I'll *end you*."

>>13662838
To me, it is all the same, except that one is more successful than the other. When I see some general, intellectually honest disdain for every attempt to "cleanse" people of shit other people don't like, I'll be the first to sign on to the universal tolerance bandwagon, I promise.

No really, I promise. I'll get out of my unicorn-skin bed, put on my lamia leather boots, and drive my solid gold rocket car straight down to the soapbox to sign the petition. I'll need my dragon skinned coat though, because if hell's frozen over, Earth'll probably suffer a bit of a cooldown as well.

>>13662816
Yes, it is. You might as well suggest that kids of biracial couple be manipulated to look white. The problem isn't being gay, or biracial, or whatever. The problem is bigots. Whose caust you are, intentionally or not, promoting.

>>13662816
>I'm just saying that a given fetus should be X

The very question of genetic engineering, selective breeding, or eugenics will always be controversial no matter what X is.

>To me, it is all the same, except that one is more successful than the other. When I see some general, intellectually honest disdain for every attempt to "cleanse" people of shit other people don't like, I'll be the first to sign on to the universal tolerance bandwagon, I promise.
Wait, what?

Did you really just say "I'll start giving a fuck about people who are actively being oppressed when totally unrelated people stop being verbally hostile to each other"?

>>13662884
Actually... He's got a point there. While I do not see Teh Gay as a disease, or a disability, I do see it as something that we *should* have control over. If it is possible to acquire this control, then we should acquire it.

The greatest fear in the mind of the people who despise homosexuality is that they might be effected by it, or their children corrupted by it. Remove that, and all that is left is for the people to get used to homosexuality as something that isn't going to come out of the shadows and gay up their children.

>>13662816
>>protected from the developmental issues affecting the above, and all of the emotional and psychological baggage that comes with the expression of these developmental issues.

>Is that so controversial?
Yes. Obviously it is. You want to 'fix' future gays by removing what you perceive as a problem from current fetuses. That is a shit storm of controversy.
It is no more or less evil than saying you just want to prevent non-white fetuses from being born; is that so controversial?

>>13662913
Yes. I just said that, and with varying degrees of facetiousness throughout.

>>13662949
Okay, so you're a self-awaredly-ironic asshole.
So, a hipster.

Get the fuck back to /mu/, hipster.

>>13662943
It would save us a lot of cultural energy wasted on blaxploitation films.

>>13662949
Well, next time, can you not shit up a perfectly good thread?

>>13662792

... Christ. No. No, I am not. I'm saying medicating gays straight isn't a goddamn issue because the social status of homosexuality doesn't really allow it as a likely possibility. Basically, it's not a threat, so we shouldn't treat it like one. There are, however, many, many cases of similar not-disorders and not-sick people getting dosed up on all kinds of shit with significantly negative consequences resulting. Basically, focus on the people who already come out the worse for this shit. If gays are ever threatened in such a way, oppose that too.

Anyway, on the antibiotic side... well, there's a lot to be said about how easily doctors prescribe completely unnecessary antibiotics for common fucking colds. Building up resistances to antibiotics because of overuse is a risk a lot of people take simply because of personal ignorance and the relative laziness of their physician - hella easier to whip off prescriptions for things that patients really don't fucking need than convince them they don't need anything, right? And that doesn't even call into question the possibility of dangerous viruses becoming resistant to the things used to treat them. It's one thing for a human body to react numbly to antibiotics because the idiot gets them for every single cough, but goddamn science-fiction death viruses are not a pleasant thought.

>>13662884
I reject that supposition. The color of your skin being different is not the same as having a portion of your brain grow incorrectly.
>>13662909
A hormone therapy, a diet proscription, a immuno-suppressant, or a detox process (three of the likely treatment modalities) for a pregnant mother is neither of those things, and gene therapy to treat certain conditions in utero is hardly controversial.

>Fixing a brain development problem that occurs in 3-10% of fetuses is the same as committing genocide against african americans.

This fucking thread

>>13662955
>>13662966
Ha! Good show, yes, I ruined the thread. That was me! I was the one who decided to start arguing about this two hours ago, and has continued defending my stick in the ground for the entirety of that period.
If it makes you feel better, yes. That was me. I argued with you, I argued with myself, I created false identities to help me argue, I used three computers to get around the flood detection, and I did it because I don't like good threads.

I even reached inside your skull, and made you answer me!

>>13662973

You know, as a continuation of that thought, I think we just knee-jerk toward medicine as a solution to fucking everything too often. It's incredibly pervasive and the ignorance people have toward it (honestly, the things the average man seems to think medicine can and cannot do rival episodes of Star Trek in sheer "It's SCIENCE!" naivety) results in vast numbers of people treating it in the worst possible way - as an easy go-to solution for all sorts of ridiculously irrelevant barely-problems. Medical institutions, products and professionals are goddamn everywhere, and no matter how much one can complain about how long the lines are at his local clinic, it's still a matter of a tiny investment of time to go get checked and prescribed for something you wouldn't have even considered calling in sick about sixty years ago.

Now, I'm not nostalgic for a time I wasn't even alive for by any means, but the point remains - medical options are so pervasive and easy to access, and people are so fucking ignorant as to how and what medicine can DO that they practically barrel headlone toward the nearest hospital every time they get some congestion. Hyperbolic? It surely is. But the point is made - medicine as a whole is seen as some fucking panacea, a universal response to everything that probably-isn't-but-might-be-maybe-sort-of-wrong with you. It isn't. Antibiotics aren't something you WANT to take often, and yet prescriptions are printed off like goddamn candy. It's not wise.

>>13663016
And you weren't even the one to start the shitting up.

>>Fixing a brain development problem
>>a portion of your brain grow incorrectly
It isn't incorrect. It isn't a problem.
You can't 'cure' it anymore than you could 'cure' non-white peoples' 'problem' of having non-white skin.
You are exactly the same as turn of the century eugenicists. You just selected gays rather than non-whites to shit on.

>>13662977
>incorrectly
That is your fucking problem, bro. Homosexuality is not "incorrect". It's just DIFFERENT. Like being left-handed, or red-headed.
And your insistence that it IS a problem helps nobody.

>>13663001

Shockingly, 4chan is fairly firmly in the self-determination camp! I'd never have even imagined it, but it seems like most Anonymous are pretty big on the whole "I prefer to make my own decisions about the directions my life takes as much as possible" philosophy!

Seriously, you cannot possibly expect me to believe you didn't know how this fucking group of all the goddamn people on the Internet would react to the idea of genetically "correcting" sexual preference. No-one is dumb enough not to know that this was going to happen.

Look, all you sick, brain-damaged fucks out there who can't perceive why "fixing" people is bad.

Human rights are irrational. Human dignity is irrational. It's a cultural concept slowly shaped to offer solid support to what is, essentially, vaporware. We want to be treated like that, so we established what exactly human rights are. There is nothing solid in there to keep that construct standing. Than you come along and say "wouldn't it be wonderful if we started treating humans like mass-produced goods, fixing 'imperfections' and dumping miscasts?" There is no rational argument against this reasoning, and this is what makes monsters like you so dangerous: the simple fact that you managed to come up with a solution like that means that your brain is messed up and you lack the ability to empathize properly, and that, because there is no rational argument against your idea, you'll be incapable of seeing why what you propose in monstrous. Or, you are psychologically damaged and just trying to be "benevolent" toward you fellow man in a way that no mentally healthy human would consider anything less than "what if Hitler won WWII".

>>13663048
If your position is correct, then the research into the why's of homosexuality will go no where, even if the aren't defunded entirely, and nothing will happen.

If I am correct and research is allowed to continue apace or even funded better, we will, by the middle of the century, have a product or medical service available to ensure that a fetus that would otherwise be exposed to the conditions that cause this disorder in 3-10% of persons will undergo normal brain development, and live out a normal life free from persecution, gender dysphoria, rejection by persons they mistook for fellow homosexuals, etc.

And really the only reason why this is even a conversation is because someone took offense to my saying that such a treatment is a more realistic near future medical advance than perfectly functional and indistinguishable replacement bodies for transgendereds.

Madness.

>>13663112

You use big, meaningful words like "monstrous" and "psychopath" a lot, but I'm not sure what your actual issue is here. Your solution is what, exactly? Your ideal direction for humanity is inhibited how by the values espoused in this thread?

>>13663120
That is fucked up, dude. And the fact that you can't seem to understand WHY it's fucked up is doubly fucked up.

You're so goddamn heteronormative you think the solution to anti-gay bigotry is PREVENTING GAYNESS.

Might as well say that we should gengineer everyone to be bi for better compatibility.

>>13663112
I'd actually point out that human rights are perfectly rational, in that they are guided by an enlightened self interest (no objectovism intended) at all times.

>>13663120
>>disorder
Not a disorder. Period.
It is probably possible to prevent the birth of male homosexuals through hormone treatments.
In the same sense that you could just sterilize all Hispanics in California and through lack of being born the state would be mostly purged of them in a generation. That's about the level of senseless moral depravity you are operating on.

>>13663133
It is a perfectly viable solution to a problem that nobody else seems willing to solve, and all it requires is offering a service to the public.

>>13663112
Seconded for truth.

>>13663156
It's not a solution because not everyone will take it. It will just make gay people even MORE marginalized.

It does not solve the problem of bigotry. GAYNESS IS NOT A PROBLEM, bigotry is.

You are seriously fucked up. Privileged heterosexual white guy to the max, which is fine, but you're so self-indulgent about it.

>Destroy /new/, the fuckers start visiting other boards.

>>13663186
hey dude, I agree with you, but it's faily obviously a troll so calm your jets.

>>13663187

>>13663129
The solution is to shoot people who can't see why forcing antiutopian ultranormativization as a way to solve society's problems is bad.

There's a shitload of human variance, some good, some bad. Can we fix it? Yes. Should we go around fixing it? NO. Because it is inhuman, and because it sets a bad precedent.

>>13663079
I maintain that there is no genetic basis for this set of outcomes.
>>13663112
Give in to your hated.

No one is talking about disposing of miscasts, except for the people who talk about aborting Downs babies. And they are definitely not in my camp.

On that train of thought, however, if it was found that a number of syndromes (like, for example Autism) were found to have readily isolateable and preventable causes, would you support making the prevention available? Because that's all we are talking about here. An issue in fetus development that wires a person to act in a particular manner that may or may not be disruptive or destructive depending on the severity of the disorder and the environment into which the child will be brought into.

Also nice way to call me a monster just because my ideas threaten your base assumptions about how the world works.

Grow up.

>>13663156
Yes. Now, let us discuss thecure for bigotry and hetronomative thinking. I propose radical sterilization for the problem, as the determining root of the problem cannot be discovered, so we will proactively prevent all bigoted individuals from ever breeding or feelign the need to breed, thus negating any need or concern for such people to exist beyond one generation.

>>13663186
What is it with you and calling people privileged straight white people? Do you think that reminding me of how much more fortunate I am than you is going to make me value my own opinion less?

And from the rest, it is clear that you are determined not to understand what I am saying. Pff. The nerve.

>>13663226
annihlism is cool.

>>13663218
Except you cannot prove or disprove what genetic predispositions are actually part of natural and normal brain development, including sexuality, rational thought, social conditioning, and emotional stability. In addition, the variances in these sets of mental and physicological processes are so wide and so indeterminant that it is impossible to isolate the amount of anture vrs nurture that is applicalbe to these processes.

>>13663211

Sorry, I misread your first post. I mistook it for a vehement defense of normativization procedures when it was anything but. Apologies. I'm not really inclined to disagree with you at all.

>>13663241
If you don't understand the nature of privilege, than you really don't have much place arguing any social issue.

>>13663226

Killing everyone does solve the problems of life.

>>13663218
>>Also nice way to call me a monster just because my ideas threaten your base assumptions about how the world works.
>>Advocates eugenics and manipulating fetuses to enforce his view of normality on mankind.
>>Thins we need to 'grow up' doesn't get why we call him out as the depraved monster he is.
>>mfw

>>13663226
Yes, I am glad that you're coming around to my way of thinking. A problem though, would discriminating against bigots not in and of itself be bigotry?

>>13663271
I am not arguing a social issue. I am arguing a practical one.

>>13661109

I slap his shit.

>>13663254
Research that would lead to the develpment of the "cure" that is so controversial in your eyes would either create a cure, and prove your wrong, or not create a cure, and be no threat.

So if your premise is incorrect, will you stick by your conclusion? Or will you be open minded enough to see if what you know is wrong?

I will test my beliefs when possible in order to improve them. Are you able to do the same?

>>13663274
No, wait. I must addend that. You have not come around to my way of thinking at all. You are in fact, morally repugnant.

Did you actually just propose sterilization? For shame, sir. I would never propose enforcing treatments on anybody.

>>13663274
Why, yes, yes it is.

>>13663218
You think solving a social problem that mostly exists because of abrahamic cultural baggage should be solved by fucking with fetuses to make them "normal" instead of eradicating retarded 25 century-old moral code introduced to give a mystical feel to a religion of some small jewish tribe living in a desert somewhere.

You are emotionally stunted, smug AND stupid. Please refrain from having opinions in the future.

>>13663274
38215 / 0

ERROR. TROLL UNIT 1248 INITIATING SHUTDOWN.

GODDAMMIT /TG/

THIS WAS A GOOD THREAD

THIS WAS A GREAT THREAD

NOW IT'S SHIT

THIS IS WHY YOU ALL SUCK THIRTY DICKS

>>13663273
Eugenics is not apparently a word you understand, because I am not advocating it.
>>13663312
Only Abrahamic cultures have an issue with homosexuality, really? Try being a homosexual in China, and tell me how that non-abrahamic culture is working for you.

>>13663341
This thread was shit while the post count was in triple-digit negatives.

>>13663341
>>YOU ALL SUCK THIRTY DICKS
We are all going to suck off Andrew Jackson?

>>13663312
Your proposal to eliminate all traces of religious morality in society will be judged on its own practicality.
Judging now.
Your proposal is in fact completely impractical, but that is ok, because mine is not!

>Implying anyone would leave the side of a paladin by free will

>>13663341
Hey, I didn't start this, I'm just having fun with it now.

>>13663349
We're not Chine. Why would we care about Chinese bullshit instead of clearing our own?

Oh, and yes, you are proposing eugenics. Updated to sci-fi standards, but the same mentally ill turn of the century reasoning is there.

>>13663349

that's the main source of homophobia in the world today, particularly in the US.

and there are plenty of cultures who don't give a shit and/or are fine with people being about the gender lines.

>>13663354
Wasting money finding a cure for something that doesn't need to be cured is more practical than encouraging society to get rid of its retarded prejudices? A process that has been steadily going for the last half century and hasn't really shown signs of letting up is inferior to wasting money on a cure for something that isn't an illness?

Child Car Seats is kinda fucking retarded.

They should have Child Seat Belts integrated into cars, so that people can't fuck up installion of them.

>>13663376
The notion of calling us mentally ill when we are simply proposing solutions to something that is far more easily quantified as a behavioral deficiency is comically intellectually dishonest.

And that is what entertains me the most, sir. To you, this is not simply a debate about how to best resolve an issue, it is a personal battle, with emotional juice in it. To us, it is a question to which there must be an answer.

I have proposed many such solutions in my life; for example, the idea that it is to the advantage of all extremely racist men to find and impregnate as many of their despised race's women as possible, and then return home and birth as many children of their own race as possible. From a mathematical standpoint, it cannot fail, yet those barbarians on Stormfront could not stop capslock posting for days. It is always the same with you people, everything is an attack on you.

>>13663354
Oh no, a mentally diseased person thinks eradicating stupid ancient religious laws is impractical, as opposed to enforcing a nation-wide screening and eugenics program to eliminate a developmental variation that typically only mentally diseased persons get their sack pants in a bunch about. I smell a dish of vile bigotry with a seasoning of dysfunctional amigdalas.

>>13663377
And there are plenty that are not. What is to say that once deprived of religious guidance, these people will not continue along in this manner regardless? There is a cultural bias for homosexuals being weak and untrustworthy that these days carries little or no religious connotations. Simply eliminating abrahamic religion (which I would place in the same region of plausibility as bio-engineering the Shmoo tomorrow morning) is not a viable solution, because in addition to being terribly impractical, it also probably wouldn't work.

>>13663404

... what makes you think that being gay is bad for a species as a whole?

Granted, if everyone is gay, then people will have to have sex that they don't enjoy in order to have spawn to support the system they have inherited, but that's hardly likely, and/or a problem. i.e. see fucking Spartans.

I fuck the half elf and ship him off to a monastery to cure him of his sexual deviancy.

When did /tg/ ever get so butthurt about faggots and transsexuals...?

>>13663404

I believe he meant "mentally ill" to refer to the typical perspective of the eugenicist on deviant elements he was dedicated to suppressing or eradicating. In essence, their justifications for their actions were that their victims were mentally defective, born with design flaws or disorders that needed to be corrected or suppressed. Thus, "mentally ill" - not in reference to you, but the logic you use to justify the selection of your targets.

That aside, I must confess that I question your sanity, but oh well. Such is neither here nor there.

>>13663404
You know that you can spot a sheltered nerd losing a discussion by his progressively more and more dramatic slide into cultured, academic speech while repeating the same stupid arguments? Right now, you sound as if you're posting a formal address to the faculty. And you are posting the same stupid arguments again. Are you hoping that someone will start agreeing with you if you repeat yourself enough?

>>13663416
I am not actually saying that being gay is a problem that needs to be solved.

The problem that I reference is the social schism that has grown up around homosexuality. The so called "homophobes" are far too deeply rooted to practically eliminate. With that option rendered untenable, I propose the removal of the other.

>>13663436
I'm sure the same was once thought of racism. Society has a funny way of dramatically changing when the previous generation passes on.

>>13663433
I'm sure it comforts you to believe that, but I repeat my arguments because you have addressed none of them. You are determined to attack my character, because you cannot actually debate.

>>13663418

Since people genuinely argued in favour of genetically modifying them out of the human species, I guess. Apparently we have no problem shouting racist and sexist expletives at one another all day, but God help us all, eugenics is where we draw the fucking line.

I'm not exactly stunned here. It's fuckin' 4chan, after all. Self-determinacy is kinda popular around here.

>>13663444
They are still saying it about racism today, so I must discard your point. From Sweden to Alabama, that is a problem that isn't going away soon either. I simply do not have a solution to that that is not morally abhorrent to me.

>>13663418
Typical fa/tg/uy is a brain-addled morloc with delusions of intellectual superiority. The other typical fa/tg/uy is the sad but noble White Knight. Guess what happens when you put them in a box together and give them a touchy issue. Especially with added Trollodine(C) OMG.

>>13663448
As long as your arguments are as insensible and your position so grounded in self-justified bullshit, debating is pointless. I could get better debate by talking to a rock for eight minutes.

>>13663453
What's wrong with eugenics? Shouldn't we strive to improve ourselves?

>>13663218
>Also nice way to call me a monster just because my ideas threaten your base assumptions about how the world works.
No, I'm calling you a monster because you seem to be fundamentally incapable of understanding *why people might not want genetic manipulation of children to remove homosexuality*.

>>13663436

>implying that people won't false positive hobosexuals in such a context?

>>13663467
You say that as though I am to believe it, and yet here we stand, at least an hour and a half since I actually arrived in this thread.

>>13663472
The problem comes from trusting a state to determine what traits are "desirable" and then giving them the power to enforce this idea.

>>13663448
It's impossible to debate someone who is irrationally and sociopathically devoted to an idea. I don't debate creationists, either.

>>13663475
Sounds good to me actually, I want grandchildren that aren't adopted you know.

>>13663478

> The problem comes from trusting an entity or entities to determine what traits are "desirable" and then giving said whatevers the power to enforce this idea.

FTFY

states are just people.

>>13663477
I'm none of the people you've been blathering to thus far.

>>13663478
I have myself, being the source of this fun for the last thirty minutes or so, made no indication that I desire a state to be given control of such an enterprise.
I would have it be a service offered to the public, amongst others.

>>13663480
Clearly, a gay person could not have sex with a female for the life of him eh?

Also, nice circumvention of basic human rights there dad.

>>13663478
The state? If I ever genetically modify my future kids it'll be in a private clinic. I'm not gonna trust the state to decide how my kids should look.

>>13663482
People entrusted with a perception of inherent legitimacy in their actions by much of the populace.

>>13663479
I'm not really devoted to anything, here. I chose a side because for some reason, you people were opposing an idea that was not only viable, but in fact very likely to work, for no other reason than that it offended you, despite not harming you or anybody in any way.

You're just equating me with something ridiculous, because taking me seriously would immediately reveal me to be correct.

>>13663480

you do realize that you can be heterosexual, and not have any kids?

hell, I think that the chances that your kids are heterosexual and childless is alot greater than homosexual and childless.

and you aren't even factoring if you will have kids that will want to talk to you.

>>13663448
I am attacking your character because your opinions are solely based on your character. You are an opinionated subhuman piece of shit, and have a worldwiev to match. And you failed to offer any arguments other than "being gay is inconvenient" and "reforming the society is impractical" when it has long since been established that social problems of the faggot population stem mostly from social bigotry, and that social reform is in fact the cheapest, fastest and the most preferable way of solving problems like that. It is, in fact happening right now, and largely through fallout of activity of third parties and general liberalization of the modern society. So, on both accounts you were just being stupid, or simply lying to justify your sick little opinions.

Support him, of course. He's my son, and Pelor knows he'll be safer as a Bard than he would be roaming the countryside looking for demons to get killed by. I mean, sure, I'd rather he be an Invoker, or at least a Cleric, but if Bardship is what will make him happy...

>>13663472

Absolutely. But we were talking about eugenics, so self-improvement wasn't really in discussion. The only way eugenics was related to self-improvement is in that the followers of the movement believed it would have a positive impact on human improvement. Decades of fantastic violations of human rights later and they still didn't really produce anything useful. Seriously, the movement died out as much because it didn't fucking DO anything as because it was no longer in moral vogue.

>>13663493
Good sense, man. The Swedes and the Canadians tried that, and it failed. Privatization of biological engineering is the future.
That's what this reminds me of! Gattica!

>>13663511
There we go, let it all out. I forgive you for being so cruel to me, since you are angry. You actually think my ideas to be impractical? If that is the case, then tell me how.

Give me a more practical alternative. If you demonstrate it to my satisfaction, I will agree with you.

>>13663518
Yeah, they didn't have a good handle on genetic engineering in the early 20th century. Now we have a capacity, albeit slightly basic to modify the genetic structure of humans. I think it'll have made huge leaps by the time anyone here (lol fa/tg/uys) gets kids so yeah.

>>13663496

isn't that true of bussiness people, or anyone with shittons of power and/or money?

>>13663541
No? Nothing? Come on, we were making progress!

Well whatever. We'll meet again, it's a small board. I'll teach you how to be intellectually honest with yourself yet.

>>13663523
I should know, I live in one of those countries.

I'm all for aborting / genetically eliminating malformed and/or mentally deficient fetuses. They are genetically incorrect, as it were and cause more harm on society than they could ever provide good.

I am not, however, for attempting to enforce any sort of control on the function of a fully developed, rational human being. If they want to stick their penis in to another man's penis, I hope it brings them all kinds of wonderful, homosexual funtimes.

The problem is that if you allow one, people will want to escalate to the other. Sad times.

goddamnn it why do i keep think some drawfag is reading thiswithout any pants on and preparing to upload on deviantart

As an Epic-level Paladin, (so, 36th Level for AD&D 2nd edition) I will withdraw from my son to my personal chapel for a long time to muse upon things with Pelor.

I will beseech him to leave in three months time while I make the proper preparations for my son and his half-elf companion. In the meantime, I will create a holy symbol for my son, enchanted through the use of Focus and my own religious might to bear Sacred Guardian (so that I can always watch him) Continual Light 1/day and, if needed, bless it as with Succor. I will present him this, along with that weapon he always eyed as a child, sitting in my treasure hall, alongside fine regalia truly befitting a master bard and a trumpet of polymorphing, so that he will have any instrument at his disposal.

"My son, Pelor lays many journeys ahead of us with many destinations; sometimes the road will be lit with sunshine, but other times it will be stricken with darkness. Take these gifts with you and know that even in those darkest times, both I and Pelor are with you. And..." At this, the Paladin began to lose himself in his sensitive old age. "And know that you have but one home - right here, for now and forever. Keep Pelor in your heart, my boy and do good for the world."