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Well, cheating is ungentlemanly in any sense. You are not respecting the other man's honor, and thusly not being honorable yourself. I wouldn't go so far as to turn him into a Scoundrel. Simply try to regain your honor.

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Quite right. However I argued that because the stakes of the game were the freeing of his indiginous servant into my care, it would be an act of gentlemanly kindness.

His argument is that a true gentleman must remain devoted to honor at all costs. He says I can save my alignment if I satisfy my honor by either a friendly duel or giving him my ivory walking stick in exchange for the servant, thus showing my dedication to gaining the use of this servant whilst saving him from a disgraceful master.

>He's giving up his honor to save some paki

>laughingladies.jpg

Cheating in baccarat(or any game, really) is definitely un-gentlemanny. However, unless the game had stakes(and I mean big stakes, not some pennies), it's definitely not fall worthy by itself. In the end, it's still the GMs call. I'd say try to regain your honour.

>>13691032

>Dapper Gentleman
>Cheating at Baccarat
>Dapper Hooligan

I would argue that you should have your alignment switched to Diabolic Gentleman.

Good sir, what you must prove to your Frolics Meister is that your Dapper character can regain his honour, and show in-game regret for such a dastardly deed.

Surely then, if he himself is a man of honour, he will respect your character's drive to regain that which has been lost, you will surely be restored to your rightful place.

Quite right, however he's not even allowing me to choose my man servant to defend my honor! His family has served mine for many generations, giving him the Bonded Honour trait, allowing him to gain back my honor for me.

However my Larks Master has decided that if I gain back my honor using him as my designated duelist, I would only go back to becoming a Dapper Fellow. Meaning I would gain back my Warm Demeanor trait as well as be able to use the Rooty Tooty Point and Shooty of Nobility. Currently I'm reduced to using the Common Man's Spade.

>>13691076

>friendly duel

Don't fall for that. The gentleman you played Baccarat with has surely noticed the cheat and will likely use lethal ordnance in the "friendly" duel.

>>13691131

Indeed you may be on to something. You see this man is a Scruffy Hooligan aligned Cardsharp/Shyster dual class. How that man came into the possession of anything that normally only a Gentleman-axis character would have is clearly DM fiat.

That and the player playing Sir Cromlich is a very power gamer sort. He's already made Pledges of Loyalty to both the Kaiser and the Belgian King, gaining the Nationalist Furor abilities of both. Quite simply I cannot fight this man in combat, for his Pickelhaube Retaliation is incredibly great offensively, and his Belgian Neutrality is a hard offense to break, and even if I do, I invite the wrath of any Triple Entente-affiliated NPC or creature in the area.

PrC into Blaggard.

>>13691158
You're clearly in a pickle there. Maybe you should play the Great Game, basically becoming a double Agent Provocateur for both the British and the Russian Empire, perchance even ally yourself with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, thus gaining access to Tesla related shenanigans.

>>13691158

You probably chose the British Raj as your power I'm assuming. And given that you haven't mentioned anything about the Sun Never Sets tree, I'm going to assume you haven't trained your East Indies Company skills past Foreign Spices.

In which case I'd say reroll, you made a horrible character, especially when you could have gone for the Cattle Baron and not worry about falling.

Double Agent Provocateur is a good Prestige class if I can maybe branch out into Gentleman Spy. The only difficulty is that I don't wish to lose my Russian Winter Furor, which combined with my British Stay Calm, Carry On Furor can allow me to make two alarming indictments of my enemy's characters while severing their Luxuries Supply, lowering any Gentleman's Nobility rating for those rounds.

At least I'm better than my friend. He rolled a Scruffy Fellow Barnstormer, only to find out that our setting doesn't have any air combat yet.

wtf is going on ITT?
What game is this?

>>13691257

A game of Byronic heroes and magnificent Gentlemen. A place where the Plain Fellow has a chance to become a Dapper Gentleman or a Scruffy Hooligan and forge his way in the world.

Admittedly it is a little hard keeping up with some of the stats and other things. But my Larks Master handwaves most of the hard stuff, so we always have a spare change of appropriate clothing, a pocketwatch for our Chronogent, and even some Tea. But I think thats only because our Plain Hooligan Ne'er-Do-Well has the Ceylon Tea Plantation background.

>>13691285
what's its name?

>>13691337
>>13691337
It's not real.

Also, >1337

>>13691337

Goblets and Gentlemen, I believe

Probably its Fierce Adventurous Tales: Ambitious Lands

Of Gentlemen and Gyros: In Which the World Transitions From the Victorian to the New Century, and Our Party of Adventurers Find Themselves Fulfilling Many Obligations, Acquiescing Many Treasures, Having Intercourse With a Great Many Cultures, and At Last Settling Down to Enjoy Their Labor's Fruits

Stupid Britfag. Don't you know that the Austro-Hungarians have the best bonuses to your Legitimacy?

You even get the Hapsburg Lineage trait if your lucky. No one can challenge you then. And it really, really hard to fall as them because they have the "Malingering Nobility" feat.

>>13691032
Baccarat is indeed a gentleman's game, but to attempt to win by any means other than fair play is the act of a hooligan, bad form of the worst sort. Your FM was prudent to cast down your alignment, I'm afraid to say. I think a compelling tale can be formed from your character's attempt at redemption. By all means, I would advise you to 'salvage' the character and attempt to earn your gentlemanly rank back.

Quite right, Quite right. I should attempt a redemption.

Now I did the requisite period of Woe for Loss of Gentlemanly Nature. I've spent several days locked up in my study drinking absinthe brought to me by Sabi, the local boy I've taken under my wing in hopes of civilizing.

Of course this is hurting my Relational Factors with the other members of my Mileiu. Colonel Huntsworthington has been trying to get me to go on an elephant hunt for days, while Dame LeBeau has been trying to have me attend some masque or another.

However my character has simply turned them away. Thankfully my Gentleman now has access to Plain Rubbish, which allows me to turn down Activities Gentile with little penalties

>>13691355
We see what you did there.

This thread is quaint.

Of course that isn't to say that there aren't fierce Adventurers with us. I do say a Mr. Schicklegruber is with us. A stout German man, and a Hooligan to boot. But oddly enough their is a charisma to the man. Strangely though he's attracted to a Jewess...

>>13691118
And I would argue that this again depends on what kind of baccarat we are talking about.

If it was Punto Banco he cheated at, he should fall toDapper Hooligan.
If it was Baccarat Banque he should become a Diabolic Gentleman.
However, if he cheated at Chermin de Fer, he should fall to Diabolic Hooligan and be stoned in a public place like the vile paki he is.

It was Punto Banco. He wouldn't normally be in such a game, but alas he was forced into it by a railroading LMPC. Funnily enough the LMPC was a railroad baron

>>13691679
>It was Punto Banco.
Then your LM did at least made the right call on that matter.

>railroading LMPC
I have no MIFFED images in the entirety of my MIFFED folder than can properly express how miffed that makes me.

Oh I assure you, my Moodometer went straight to Congruffled, according to our Psychologist.

Sadly our Psychologist really just shoots up cocaine and tries to seduce everyone. Well not everyone, I dare not accuse him of buggery. But almost everyone.

Am I the only one that feels that losing hooligan feats for gentlemanly acts that shift your spectrum to be unfluffy? Isn't the hooligan learning the error of his ways part of a characters journey? And vice versa what of the gentleman that seeks to leave behind his posh and polished life-style for one of ruggedness and adventure of a hooligan? The feats (and even certain class abilities) should also shift with the spectrum rather than simply be lost.

Also, our BBEG is essentially Fu Manchu. So I myself am in arrears with the LM if taking a Hatred(Orientals) trait would be gentlemanly or not. Then again I'm considering having this character die a heroic death drinking the arsenic laced tea meant for the Queen.

>>13691788

There is a slight mechanic in the Dawn of the 21st Century splatbook. In there as you fall from gentlemanly you can interpret that as becomign disillusioned with the old status quo and becoming a hooligan class similar to the old gentleman class.

Of course I dislike it because of its newfound power in the tech classes. Why one Engineer can make as much money as I do if he crafts a Highly Influential Project!

Now, my FM made our new Dastardly Blackguard a woman.
Now, I do not wish to presume, but the weaker sex has not the constitution to be such a one. Should I approach him on this matter?

Submitted to Archive.

>>13691848

I would let it be. This same situation occurred in our campaign, and of course we argued about it until a solution was presented.

Clearly this woman was being possessed by some insanity granted unto her by her immorality and congress with Satan. Thus it was only natural that she have the strength of the unnatural. Of course she didn't last that long. My own character captured her and through the course of some corrective discipline she became an excellent maid, if a little too free spirited even to the end.

>>13691923
Yes, possible womanly hysteria as well. I concede the possibility.

Hysteria hasn't been a problem in our Milieu since our Physician got in Abernathy's Electric Vibrators, eliminating the need for him to manually make all of the female members undergo paroxysms.

>>13691848
If you intend to, I hope that you remember that female Blackguards has the 'Kick in the Crown Jewels' and 'Hidden Stiletto' as Encounter powers instead of as Dailies.

In fact, I believe they were given them to make up for the very shortcoming you wish to address!

Plus the fact that any Gentleman you encounter will be highly resistant to the idea of striking a lady, even if she does foolishly attack you overtly.

This is why we have an Irish Hooligan or two, to help with any rough housing that doesn't involve grandiose fisticuffs!

>>13691957
>They are actually using Abernathy's Electric Vibrators
I take it your FM has not sprung the 'March of the Sufferagettes!' module on you yet?

>>13692007
Ah, but catching a lady's wrist is not ungentlemanly and it is not entirely difficult.

>>13692040

Actually one of our Travelling Ingenues has it as her Noble Goal to spread women's rights, perhaps even allowing them to vote. The player is honestly starting to get a little annoyed by it, such as when our group refuses to let her do any physical activity at all, she starts complaining.

Of course In-Game our Derisive Chortles keep her Suffrage rating low enough where she doesn't develop into a Scruffy Protofeminist.

>>13692070
You have a Lady playing such diversions with you?
I say, that is most unseemly! Does she not have embroidery to catch up on?

>>13692098

Sadly this is one of the problems running this game. Sometimes on a Lark we'll get one coterie member who simply cannot roleplay at all. I even had one player years ago who expressed excitement when we procreated to create a child to honor our marriage agreement.

We don't have larks with That Lady anymore thankfully, but until then it was like playing with a Chinaman. Except with less decapitated heads.

>>13692122
The very idea of such a thing has caused the shattering of my monocle. Blast it. Like a common Negro!
Never the less, I daresay you had strong words with the young lady's husband?

Bah she was a spinster! Age of 32 and not married. I felt sorry for her, and so did all of my fellow gentlemen. Thankfully everyone in that group brought their own victuals and snuffboxes. I remember having to provide my entire larking coterie with snuff, while no great expense it was a great bother to my servants.

>>13692159
Ah. Was she perhaps Irish?
That could explain it.

>MFW two days later /tg/ will have already made a rule set for this game.

I think it could be done in whatever system Dark Heresy is done in. Its much the same except DapperGentleman instead of GrimDark.

>>13692211
Au contraire, my selachian chum. Outsider - The Unnameable is still in the beta stage, even at this late juncture. Sadly, the chances of this esteemed board undertaking another such endeavour and pursuing it to its conclusion are so remote as to be non-existant. Alas, for better days!

Dammit this is stupid this is just some stupid alignment thread that is the cancer on this baord.

>>13692239
I would take up that challenge, but alas I have far too any projects already underway. Would that I could divest myself of previous responsibilities in order to labor for the good of the Gentlemen of /tg/, but I simply cannot abandon those tasks I have previously set before myself.

>>13692284
ah, how dreadful! And Ignorant Ragamuffin has decided to express himself! I say, they will allow anyone in here these days. Terrible affair, it is.

I daresay I need to somehow post this to the archive!

>>13692319
To suffer the blandishments of the ignorant, the dullwitted and the Welsh is the bane of the educated gentleman, I fear. Pay them no mind, and strive ever onwards.

Speaking as a regular player of a Unintelligible Scottish Pugilist dare I say that ’n aire do litrichean mór beag is sràcan.

>>13692335
Smelly unfortunates, all.

So yer BBEG is a bloody Chinaman, hey?
My advice is to getcherself a Roguish Scoundrel with the "Hidden Blade: Hat-Brim" ability and the "Dockworker" trait.
Them boys are bloody monsters in a good fight. 'specially against a bleedin' Chinaman.

'Course, then you gotta worry about those damn Political Speaker lads. Roguish Scoundrels with the "Unionised" trait can be a right bastard around Dapper Gentlemen.

>>13692343
How do you use a telegram when you are drunk, sir?

Dare I say that perhaps you may be interested in switching from Gentleman Adventurer to the Elegant Bastard class. You may not get the tea reservoir, but you get much more leeway in regards to social interactions with people of the lower classes, and cheating at Baccarat fits perfectly.

Also, it allows you the efficient "Off the Tosser" ability which will make dealing with that ugly chinaman much easier.

>>13692535
I have a Chinaman Manservant. He is excellent for dealing with foreigners of all descriptions and other unfortunates.
Manservants are incredibly useful tools.

Yes, but remember, when using manservants of Asiatic or...other races, one must be careful to not rouse their savage natures. Many has been the master who has had a faithful servant turn feral when their savage mores have been broken.

>>13692722
Ah, I know, but I believe the reward outweigh the risks.
And I do not like your implications that I would even consider a Negro manservant.

>>13692722
Yes, that 'Losing Face' mechanic can be a real bother when you have an Asiatic manservant.
Even worse, the 'Losing Face' mechanic does not apply for Fu Manchu-type BBEGs.

It is one of the reasons I always go for Indian manservants.

Actually, if your FM allows it, you should see about aquiring a Retired Cowboy bodyguard. I believe they are detailed in the Horsethieves & Heroes supplement.

Actually I met one of the developers for the new A House Divided- America.

I asked him why he made the Drapetomania checks so hard to beat. It really gimped my Southern Boss character, even with the Radiant Suit of Blinding Binding. He never gave me a satisfactory answer.

Thankfully though the Rump Empire- Ottomans book was really helpful for making a one off where we had to fight against a treachorous fake Mahdi. It ended when he tried to escape by climbing a rope rising out of a pot when our Indian Manservant used his yogic flying or somesuch to capture him. Instantly Dhalsim became a sort of meme in our group.

>>13692937
Er, what is a "meme", sir?

Why Edison himself perfected the Memeograph, allowing for copies to be made of various documents and such. Large and unwieldy, but quite useful for administration. Of course as a Gentleman Adventurer, I stay away from such things

>>13692985
My character once actually masqueraded as an Irishman for eight months. Can you imagine?

>>13692842
Yes. Of course, they are incredibly rude, leave their cigar butts all over the house, and are American.
However, I feel that their incredible ability to detect and disposing of would-be thieves and assassins more than makes up for their boorish attitude.

Thats it, I'm making a DH one off on this. A group of adventurers have been hired by a Lord to investigate a group of foul Musselmen cultists!

There's a Scoundrel or two (Scum), a Dishonorable Honeypot (Deathcult assassin), a Retired Copper (Arbite), Officer and a Gentleman (Guardsmen), a Scholar, and a few retained indigenous shamans.

>>13693023
Ah, I've always found that mechanic to be a bit troublesome. Then again, as a female player, I derive greater penalties for their unwholesomeness and sheer scoffery at my attempts to control my domicile. As such, I've always been fond of the Immigrant Maidservant; you cannot beat a Swede for their ability to polish up mahogany and clear the tables after the gentlemen have finished disposing of a rude caller.

My current associates have been considering modifying the Uncivilized Linguistics skill and allowing my Lady of the Manor to take it, simply to aid in the proper management of the household. One of the players is arguing that it will make her considerably overpowered, perhaps even approaching the abilities of an Esteemed Underbutler. Has anyone done so? I'd hate to overstep my bounds and unbalance the game in her favor, for that would certainly overwhelm her and force me to take a number of Flightiness penalties.

>>13693127
That's terribly dear, my sweet girl.
Now, if you'd please, men are talking. Attend to your sewing.

Hate to hijack this topic like an anarchist, but I myself am having a problem with this new TWOFISTED TALE I purchased.

Its called the Tomb of Tutankhamen's Horrors and the players have been doing really well, managing the indigenous diggers, etc. They even managed to decipher the riddles, which was quite easy given that two of the party were Adventurist Archaelogers. They even managed to overcome the Opium of Death hidden in the mouth of this one statue.

But going on, they're upset that when they opened up the sarcophagus, and promptly sold the body to be ground up into medicinal powder, a quick Derringdoo check was made to see if they resisted an unseen curse. This one minmaxer named Cartwright passed, but this one guy who was making me multitask him being in Albion...some Earl of Carnavon or somesuch, he failed even though he wasn't there. So I had him take a hard Motorcar test and he failed and in due course died.

Am I being a diabolical Frolic Meister, or is this good behavior for when the party disturbs ancient burial grounds cursed by Egyptian priests?

>>13693127
Hah, is that all? Madam, you are forgetting that having the 'Severe Woman' trait completely negates your 'Flightiness' score!

Only, do not take the 'Severe' trait if you are not married yet, for obvious reasons (Unless you plan to marry a German, hah!).

>>13693376
Ah, that was an option I had yet to consider. Still managing the estate of my father, for my mother had passed on with the wasting due to her weak constitution and tendency towards moping.

Unfortunately, my current suitor is not a Hun, for my father's dislike of their fanciful boasting and stern scars have prevented any of them from making headway. I hoped that, before games' end, a proper proposal might take place in time for his planned conversion to a Steel-Mill Magnate.

And for those wondering why I have been given the right to use this Telepneumatic Communications Assemblage; my father, with his preoccupation over proper gentlemanly affairs, relies on me to place orders for the household, and I am allotted an hour's time every fortnight so long as I am attended by a proper Matron to complete research into topics relating to Domestic Management. As I believe that falls under that sort of affair, it should be allotted, although I would be quite remiss to countermand the suggestions of a gentleman.

>>13693322
Yes, I would say that punishing the Earl of Carnavon even when he was nowhere near Egypt is a Diabolical thing to do. Boorish, even.
Would you perhaps share with us why you made the descision to include the Earl in the roll against the curse?

As the primary supporter of the expedition he invoked the Shared Fate trait in some curses. As well this wasn't merely a good Christian curse, nay, this was a Diabolical Invocation of Set by some wily Egyptians. Of course they would not merely stop at the first few people, they would try to curse as much as possible. I used the Egyptian Death Curse template given in the handbook, and it does state the entire Player Milieu is affected.

I'm not sure if I should have a Rules Revolution and immunize him though. I did let him reroll, and now he's an Enterprising Oilman. However he's terribly boorish, and so he's just saying that his company is the Standard Oil Company. Nontheless, I hope this is a compromise akin to one Talleyrand would have made.

>>13693581
He is still upset!? Even if the ruling was a bit unfair (I believe there was some errata regarding the Egyptian Death Curse template recently) he should have kept a stiff upper lip!

Is he by any chance a "That" Gentleman?

He was a bloody American gentleman. British stay calm and carry on, and maybe get me back later by doing some campaign rumpusing. But yes...That Gentleman.

Those bloody Americans. I bet he calls your Hoity Toity Numeral Generating Prism "dice" or some such rot.

I have yet to see any comment about Lord British.

Because Lord British is no gentleman.

Gentleman? Debatable. Invincible? Yes.

I've had much the same problem with my local Frolics Meister. He had me fall from Dapper Gentleman to Diabolic Gentleman because I failed to save a chinaman who called for my help! He was truly aware that my Gentleman Adventurer was deafened during his tour of duty in the Africas, but maintained that I fall!

Whatever shall I do, fellow gentlemen?

What a load of poppycock! Gentlemen's honor should not be touched by a loathesome enforcement of FM fiat!

A gentleman falls when he loses his gentleman character. When he no longer treats ladies with courtesy. When he no longer is able to believe himself to have that indelible character.

A gentleman can not be made to fall, he chooses to fall. To allow himself to improve his fortunes in hooligan ways, to cheat and lie to improve the outcome. He has to choose. That is the gentleman's duty after all.

Wait is this the Dapper---Scruffy Gentleman-----Hooligan alignment system? FUCK YES

I know it's you Vox. Show yourself!

I have decided to endeavour to bring this telegraphic correspondence to the front of this series of telegraphic correspondences so more may take part in this discussion!

>>13696840
What rubbish. As if a gentleman needs to care about the plight of a chinaman.

>>13697518
The second you save a Chinaman's life, he will just use his cunning and wiles to decieve you into believing that he'll be your loyal servant for life. In fact, what he truly intends is to find another of his ilk and try to fill your great nation with his yellow spawn!

>>13697518
>>13696840

While there is some honor in liberating a downtrodden Chinaman from his unfortunate plight of not being a gentleman, I daresay that one cannot be held to save any and all Chinamen, much less lose honor from failing to do so, *especially* a veteran such as yourself.

Ah yes! The Chinaman. While seemingly innocuous he will attempt to allay your fears with talk of how ancient his culture is, as well as its focus on honor. Don't be deceived! There's a reason Gyros and Gentlemen's Dangers of the Exotic East has an entire section devoted to the Yellow Peril!

Remember, against a killer Frolic Meister, a Chinaman can impregnate almost any woman he meets, every spawning creating another dozen or so yellow devils that will then try to create even more of themselves. And what then? Why they shall build all of the railroads.

>>13697838
>Implying the Chinaman's real power is not his huge intelligence boost when enrolled in a criminal class combined with the floating 'Fiendish Oriental Cunning' bonus that means it can be applied to any other stat, changeable once per scene.

>>13697897
We're just talking about the regular Chinaman, who can only defeat true Western gentlemen by sheer numbers!

Yes, there are the great intellects of China, although rare because they tend to stunt their growth both physically and intellectually with opium!

>>13697897
Oh man, Fu Manchu. His honour-robbing abilities make him every party's first TPD (Total Party Disgrace).

Fu Manchu's only weakness is, ironically, his honor. I once wringed a promise from him to stop his dastardly plot in exchange for my medical services to save his daughter...

I proceeded to romance her, but...a gentleman never tells.

An incident of cheating shouldn't be sufficient to put your Honour beyond recovery if handled correctly.

There are mainly two ways of handling it,either engage the accuser in a public trial of reputation and attempt to use a superior status to undermine his allegation - consider an warrant of libel if he lacks evidence and this play will be particularly strong in the British Empire and territories, where he will have to prove his libel is true.

Alternatively, switch in to a Gentleman Cad and utilise Devil May Care and Write To My Club.

Good luck!

I'd just like to say that the 3rd party sourcebook that allows you to play a mad inventor is overpowered.

No need of Honour nor Dignity and you can build a firearm that's accurate to 400 paces!

I ask you gentlemen, is this cricket?

balderdash!

Fellows I need help!

One of my Gentleman players characters wound up deported to Australia and doesn't want to make a new character.

What course of action do you advise?

There are a few ways to handle being deported to Australia. One way is using the American Wild Wild West supplement to run a pseudo Australian campaign, or you could actually use the Obstentatious Outback rulebook.

The only problem with the second one is that its ridiculously difficult. You have to keep several weeks supply of water and victuals, and EVERY SINGLE MONSTER IS DEADLY. The ants? They jump and have a Poisonous Statification of 3. The snakes? I've lost two characters to their instant death attacks.

This is why I personally have my Larkers roll 3 to 4 gentlemen at the beginning of any Australian campaign.

>>13703552
Obviously your party should accompany him there. Think of the adventure among the savage and harsh lands of Australia!
Beasts that defy all reason and logic roam the plains and monsters from the darkest nightmares swim the seas.
I daresay your party should take up the noble pursuit of hunting and stuffing these monsters.

>>13703552
Entice the rest of the party to follow him by having him make an opal or gold strike too sizable and lucrative for him to successfully exploit and defend his claim alone, then strongly suggest to that player that he wire the rest of the party with the news instead of keeping it to himself.

What era are you currently active in, though? Regency would be very different from mid-Victorian, for example, which would in turn be quite different from Edwardian, especially where Australian campaigns are concerned.

Hoho who actually plays the Edwardian and Victorian Editions? Its too much about accessorizing your Player Portfolio with useless Nationalistic Feats and Foreign Diplomacy!

Whereas in the Regency we have Country Gentlemen who are trying to uphold their honor in face of Continental Adversity. None of this posh about playing as a Frenchman or even a bloody Nipponese Noble (I believe they even allow you to use shoddy swords that have a curve to them or some such rot).