>"What the fuck do I care? D20 Modern is a good system if you fluff it out."
>a good system
>good system
>good
>D20 Modern
Dohoho.

>>13961677
>good system
>good
>D20 Modern

Yeah, it was so good I wrote a system to replace and change all of the shitty things in it.

hey OP i can't see the /is/ board, can you drop a link plz?

and also your pic looks like those at43 comic strips, related Y/N?

You should be playing GURPS, not something based on d20.

>>13961687
There is no /is/ board

And it's not related. The pictue is from a now-defunct game called Inna Woods. It never got off the ground, but it looked beautiful.

>>13961691
Tried GRUPS, didn't like it. Mostly because the whole "No class, open ended thing" really messes with my playing style.

The picture made me thing that Inna Woods actually got a beta release.

>>13961698
og teegee, you never change

>D20 Modern

You placed your columns and beams over a swamp.

Good riddance

>>13961727
They'd need an Alpha Release first. The guy basically said that he wasn't a programmer, and when he realized how /massive/ programming a game was, let alone just writing the rules, he had to bow out.

>>13961732
>You placed your columns and beams over a swamp.

What?

>>13961739
Do you have the picture with all the weapons he painted? Never saved it myself.

>>13961747

No, but the blog is still up

http://innawoods-broton.blogspot.com/

Maybe they're still there. And if they aren't, I /know/ /k/ has them.

12 downloads and counting. I'm surprised, usually /tg/ flames original content.

rolled 18 = 18

>>13961744
in engineering this means that you built something in the wrong place and it will sink to be forgotten forever

>>13961783

You can't exactly flame particularly well without reading it first.

>>13961802

..Mmhm. Well. Okay?


Was that an insult?

>>13961804

True! It's quite a read however at 360 pages. I was smart/kind enough to bookmark the entire book, though.

>>13961824
>Is there no Index?

1. Open PDF bookmarks
2. Click subject that you wish to read about
3. Profit. Fuck questionmarks.

rolled 82 = 82

>>13961830
>Was that an insult?

not from me. as it stands I run modern games with a coin and pools of D20s

Modern RPG's aren't really my thing but look luck bro. All power to you.

>>13961855
>I run modern games with a coin and pools of D20s

You must tell me more.

>>13961830
You actually made a 380 page rulebook?

Wow, you must be even more brainless than the commercial designers. They at least produce bloat to sell more books.

I would take a look however.

1: I am short on time
2: I'm already running 4 different games in 4 different systems so I probably wouldn't use it
3: I am hhhhorible with crunch, my feedback would be a detriment to your testing

However I applaud you for bringing original content to /tg/

>>13961865
I thank you for your support, and yeah, modern games aren't for everyone, I've learned that then writing this damn thing. Some people just enjoy the fantasy aspect, like elves and flinging spells and such.

You can take a look at it though, and tell me what you think, though.

I skimmed it a bit, but tell me: How is it different from D20 Modern?

You fucker OP, I thought you were the guy working on Inna Woods and got my hopes up.

>>13961873
>They at least produce bloat to sell more books.

And what exactly, is "Bloat?"

>>13961876

Thanks for the encouragement, and trust me, I know about being bogged down with campaigns.

I've always been interested in doing a S.T.A.L.K.E.R themed rpg. It just feels more conducive to table-top rpg play than other shooter games because it often stresses avoidance of combat.

>>13961937
He means they split them up into multiple books and pads the front and back of each with artwork and other shit you don't need.

>>13961830

It just means you've built over a bad place. You can build the bestest palace ever, but if you build it on a swamp it's not gonna go well. That's basically what you're trying to do with Ops and Tactics, with D20 Modern being the swamp.

>>13961907
>How is it different from D20 Modern?
WHOOOO BOY! Here we go, I'll try to sumaraize it up as best as I can

1. Lots of skills were combined into other skills, such as Repair into Chemical or eletronical crafting, just to name one.
2. Feats. While I kept a good chunk of the feats form D20 Modern, I removed quite a few too, and added some of my own.
3. Hit points, instead of rolling for dice, is now static, and the only thing that affects it, is Con score.
4. Non-Lethal hit points are actualy their own hit points, and when you drop to 0 with them, you are knocked unconsious. Nore more of this "Con score is Non lethal HP" anymore.
5. Introduced bleeding to death.
6. Completely redid the entire firearms sytem
7. Added Upgrades and customizations for Weapons(Melee and Ranged).
8. Reduced the max level from 20 to 8.
9. Lots of changes to the BAB, Fort,REf, and will saves, based on class.
10. Introduced Special abilities, that ONLY the character's first level gets.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

..And thats all I can think of off the top of my head. There's more


>>13961936
I feel bad now. I'm sorry.

rolled 82 = 82

>>13961869
most of my modern games involve zombies interspersed with odd BS, to get from point A to point B, instead of fighting regular zombies over and over again I have them roll a pool of D20s (a group of more than 2 does not need to do this unless they want to.) more low numbers means either barely scraping by or actually being forced to run away. a roll of 5 natural ones (or more) mean that you die. you get more or less dice based on how far you are going, and group size more high numbers mean more awesome stuff and a cross-pool average over 15 means awesome stuff happens

I do this to save time on combat.

a lot of stuff in my games is really just improv

getting the same result on a coin 3 times consecutively means they meat something terrible then roll for initiative.

each building/business will have a couple of MAJOR encounters (my players are FUCKING TERRIFIED of shopping malls)

>>13961975
>Artwork and other shit you don't need.
There is no artwork. At all. And very little fluff. There was no money in the budge of $0.00.

>>13961976

I can understand that statement, but It's not like I'm houseruling D20 Modern. There /were/ some good things that were conductive to a Modern RPG in it (Like Occupations), but there was a whole lot of bad. I just used the good, and kicked out the bad.

>>13961944
You could probally run a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game with this system, but you'd have to do the fluff.

>>13962047
>I do this to save time on combat.

Your games are mostly Roleplay focused, aren't they.

>>13961976
WAIT! Are you telling me that D20 Modern basically made all Modern D20 Games to be looked with disdain?

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>>13961888
the simple answer is to allow for the flinging of spells, while not fucking up the other aspects of the system.

shadowrun did this.

>>13961975
I think it should be company policy to have the manuals in 2 forms, bloat and non-bloat.

the bloat is useful sometimes to the DM and the players. but sometimes it just get the fuck in the way.

>>13962081
it's DAMN good artwork for the budget you paid then...

another bonus is that new player tend to be more familiar with things in a modern setting. this makes the transition to fantasy, future, or the fires of steam-punk much easier.

>>13962129
not totally, they are more focused on cutting boredom. and as of late introducing the basic concepts of RPGs to a non-familiar individual.

and the time cutting allows for more wordy descriptions of action, better planning and fewer (read none at all) stats...

my modern games all start with this sentence

"you all wake up naked in/on an X with 1 Y each, there are/is Z around you"

where X is a location and Y is some slightly useful object and Z is some antagonizing force.

in my last game they were
X=the ladies undergarment section of the local walmart
Y=an old person walking cane (to humor one player who had recently broken his toe)
Z=Z is for zombies

41 Downloads and Counting. Read! My /tg/ brothers! Read!

rolled 11 = 11

>>13962193
yes unfortunately

it is almost better not to say that it's based on D20 modern

try saying that it is a system that uses D20's

or blatantly denying that it has anything to do with D20 modern

that and increasing the font size at every heading would make it easier to read

>>13962270
>the simple answer is to allow for the flinging of spells, while not fucking up the other aspects of the system.

The only problem, is that while the Gun system in D20 modern was bad, the spell system in D&D is much, much worse(In my opinion). It's all over the damn place, there's no learning. You may learn a spell to armor yourself, and in the same moment, learn a spell to throw a fireball. Learning does not work that way.

So if(When) I do do that, I'll have to write/borrow a magic system that makes sense to me.

>it's DAMN good artwork for the budget you paid then...

I'd like to think so.

>I think it should be company policy to have the manuals in 2 forms, bloat and non-bloat.

They already do that. The Non-bloat format is called a SRD, and it's free.

>>13962306
>blatantly denying that it has anything to do with D20 modern

That's even worse. Trust me on that one. Beacaus if you say /that/, then /any/ similarities of the two(And there are a few), will be met with THIEF!

45 Downloads and counting! If this keeps up, I'll top my original download number from Ops and Tactics .1 release!

>clips

I'm really not seeing anything here that would make me want to pick it up over GURPS. I can do a wider variety of games with GURPS and I can get pretty decent modern tactical action with GURPS.

>it is simply Dungeons and Dragons repainted with a modern brush

That's the whole point. People wanted to play with 3.5 rules, but not be bound to fantasy, so Wizards made this.

Wow, that's pretty sweet.
Downloading for review.

Just out of question: did you take the "Chunky salsa" approach, or a more cinematic approach?

How does this compare to Twilight 2000?

How realistic is this? I assume it's not PHOENIX COMMAND (which is meant to be pure simulation)? How does it fair to GURPS or nWoD?

Oh hey, I remember this. We didn't like it the first time, either. And when we said we didn't like it, you got all buttfrustrated.

>>13962423
>Clips
Don't even start. ALL firearms terminology is correct.

>>13962436
The problem I've found with GRUPS, is the G. There is no specialization. Sure, you can throw in restrictions, and such, but it still lacks that specialty.

Then again, it's personal preference, beyond that. if you like GURPS, then hell, keep playing it.

>>13962437

>but not be bound to fantasy, so Wizards made this.

Sir, D20 Modern is pretty fantastical. It's not a simple rules transition, it's "Hey, lets call long bows "Rifles" and noone will never no. No need to change the damage at all!"
>>13962461

>Just out of question: did you take the "Chunky salsa" approach, or a more cinematic approach?

You're gonna have to explain those.
>>13962478

>How does this compare to Twilight 2000?

I wouldn't know, I've never read it, or even heard about it.

>How realistic is this?
One to two well placed bullets will kill or seriously injure a character(Of any level, depending on the round) not wearing armor. I'm not sure of how well a gauge that is, but there you go.

>I assume it's not PHOENIX COMMAND (which is meant to be pure simulation)?

Nope, I wanted it to be fun.

>How does it fair to GURPS or nWoD?

The problem with comparing these two systems, is that they're not in the same realm.

Ops and Tatctis is Quasi-Realistic Modern RPG

GRUPS is Everything

nWoD is a fantasy Modern RPG.

So..yeah.

rolled 57 = 57

>>13962339
>>13962356
cant help you with the magic or the accusations of THIEF there bro sorry.

you have 73 pages of gun tables...
HOT DAMN...I don't know how to feel about this.

you seem to cover all the bases though...

perhaps a larger title for a change of gun type and a line break+repeat the footnotes to make it easier to distinguish between them.

otherwise I love the table...

also, bullets, lots and lots of bullets...


in regards to the character sheet.
either drop a weapons slot or decrease size of the weapon entries to give yourself a larger equipment entry(mores space between the lines, not more lines for more stuff)

How is this supposed to improve realism when you're leveling and are required to take a specialty based on the five base attributes? How realistic is it to have someone who is just a tank of health? This system just seems bad.

>>13962585
Why do you keep saying GRUPS?

>>13962517
>Oh hey, I remember this. We didn't like it the first time, either. And when we said we didn't like it, you got all buttfrustrated.

I remember that you didn't like it, and you were mad cause I didn't try to convince you why you should.

>>13962619
Because I can't spell.
>>13962614
>How is this supposed to improve realism when you're leveling and are required to take a specialty based on the five base attributes

Sir, this is a game. I just want you to be reminded of that.

Now!

If you want to have an ultra-realistic game, where each and every statistic is accounted for, you can write a book.

>How realistic is it to have someone who is just a tank of health?

Quite realistic, actually. There are people, who are nothing, but tanks, of heath.

Oh, and there are six atributes, not five.

>>13962606
>you have 73 pages of gun tables...
>also, bullets, lots and lots of bullets...

Variety is the spice of life.

As for the Character sheet. Ugh. I hated drawing those, but I've found out that you will need about 4 weapon slots for the average campaign. You'd be suprised what people EDC.

71 So far! We topped the Inital Alpha release! I thank you all for downloading and reading. Questions, gripes, comments, are always welcomed.

rolled 67 = 67

>>13962699
no I wouldn't

After looking at the first page, my first question was this: Have you considered the Pathfinder approach to skill points? Even those who loathe PF to its very core admit that the skill system was better than 3.5's.

I just finished reading it the full way through with another friend of mine. On paper this looks like a really solid system.

Since some of the members of my usual gaming group will be gone for a couple of weeks the 3 of us that remain are going to give this system a try.

I wish you the best of luck OP

>>13962771
> Have you considered the Pathfinder approach to skill points?

Concidered? I damn near stole it outright.

Go read the skills, you'll see.

>>13962773

Alright Man, I thank you for your encouragement, and the fact that you're going to try it. Take care!

Where's the damage each gun does?

>>13962813
Under Ammunition : Damage by Caliber

>>13962676
>There are people, who are nothing, but tanks, of heath.

according to /k/, some people start crying after being hit with a single pellet of birdshot. others will keep going with a belly full of 00 buck. there was also that african american gentleman who was shot over 20 times with .45, and alot of .223, and kept shooting back at police. in short, variable health is the way to go, but not so far you can use a party member as a barricade

>>13962835
>but not so far you can use a party member as a barricade

But you can't use a party member as a baricade. Have you actually read the Starting hit points and hit points per class? It's..not that huge. Particularly since the Max level is 8, which is prodigy level.

>>13962846
Cover, and Concealment are your friend, in this system, good sir. Just like in the real world.

The problem with having realistic gun rules where people can drop in one or two hits is that players will do everything in their power to avoid getting in a firefight. And when they do get in a firefight, it'll be over very quickly. And then you're left to wonder what was the point of writing down 75 pages of weapons and who knows what other rules that never really get used.

And I've hit 100 Downloads exactly.

I'd like to get this thread archived on sup/tg/ but does anyone know how to do it?

>>13962835
Are you referring to the guy who was filled with PCP?

And pellet guns hurt like a bitch, adrenaline is crazy and yes some people will keep going after taking a bullet, but you aren't reliably going to be taking shot after shot.

GURPS is way more realistic than this silly stuff...German is considered the same language as English and Swedish.

>>13962811
How did you "steal" it? You're still using the old cross class can only be 1/2 max.

>>13962861
>The problem with having realistic gun rules where people can drop in one or two hits is that players will do everything in their power to avoid getting in a firefight.
Or everything in their power to win the firefight, if they do want to get into one.

>And when they do get in a firefight, it'll be over very quickly.

..and? Just beacuse a gunfight is quick, doesn't mean it's uneventful.

>And then you're left to wonder what was the point of writing down 75 pages of weapons and who knows what other rules that never really get used.

What rules won't get used? Cover? Disarm? Melee Combat? I've had a player have a mobster shoot at him, the mobster miss, and he cracked his skull open with a bat. You can't limit people because of what you /think/ they'll do.You give people freedom and means to do things, and watch /what/ they do.

But, if you can point out a rule that will never get used in any fight, ever, I'll remove it.

>>13962889
Oh! You're talking about that! Yeah. I looked into it. The only problem with it is that the Smart hero, while already beastly with skills, would just be completely overpowered.

>>13962896
Somebody's being rather pissy.

On an unrelated note, you should post this on /k/

>>13962896
>if you can point out a rule that will never get used in any fight, ever, I'll remove it.
That's not how you rule design.

>>13962922
>Somebody's being rather pissy.

Why? Beacause I ask for proof, or I do not completely agree with your statement?

And this isn't' weapons related. At all. This is /game/, not a weapon's manual.

>>13962927
No, it's not. It was a hyperbole used to make a point.

>>13962896
>You can't limit people because of what you /think/ they'll do.You give people freedom and means to do things, and watch /what/ they do.
You can do that just as well by providing stats for broad groups of firearms instead of every single model. With the added benefit that your rulebook won't be cluttered by pages and pages of useless shit.

Why in the flying fuck do you need over 100 pages of arms and armor?

>>13962998
To appease /k/ or something. Seriously why 100 pages of firearms?
GURPS is way more realistic and unlike your waste of a dozen trees manages to get away with 9 pages of firearms with detailed and easy to access, realistic firearms rather then a 1/3 of a page table describing damage. Variety is only spice when the variety is different brosef.

>>13962992
but how else would anyone know that the MTAR only goes out to 70ft, while the CTAR costs 70 WP? he's designed the rules so you don't need to memorise every model of firearms ever made, instead anyone can pick up the book and RP a game with accurate weapons

>>13962992
>You can do that just as well by providing stats for broad groups of firearms

If I do that, then why even go so far as to talk about calibers? Why not make calibers that are close in size, the same ammount of damage? Why even go through different types of Melee weapons. There are only three real types anyway.

The system was made to be Equipment, and Detail, heavy, particularly when it came to weapons. Doing what you would suggest would counteract the whole point of even having more than one gun.

So, as always, if you don't like the level of detail, then please, don't use it.

>>13962998
Beacause variety is the spice of life.

>>13963092
false dichotomy fallacy itt

>>13963055
>GURPS is way more realistic and unlike your waste of a dozen trees manages to get away with 9 pages of firearms with detailed and easy to access, realistic firearms rather then a 1/3 of a page table describing damage. Variety is only spice when the variety is different brosef

Then go play GURPS? I'm not begging or forcing anyone to use what I wrote.

If you want to yell the highs of GURPS, then that's your buisness, and you can go play that system.

>>13963092
Nice slippery slope fallacy you got there bro.

>>13963109
>Posts a Pen and Paper game on /tg/
>Gets mad when people argue over better systems.

>>13963123
Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee[1]; from ancient Greek ὑπερβολή 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

>>13963055
>pdf
>wastes trees

>>13963136
I'm going to bite.You say GURPS is better. Yes? At what, exactly?

>>13963138
If more than one people think you're speaking literally, you're doing it wrong. Or they understood you correctly and you're now backpedaling from your fallacy. No way to tell.

>>13963184
IT's very difficult to obtain tone of voice using simple written text.

Regardless. To answer his question on a serious, non sarcastic manner: The reason so many firearms are put in the book, is because so many firearms exist. Some people (Such as myself), prefer to go into deeper detail than "I have a Pistol." They wish to know the model, the make, the caliber, the color, the style, origin, of their equipment. This system is not for those who would gloss over details, it is for those who enjoy them.

>>13962585
nWoD is pretty realistic and indepth with modern equipment, military stuff etc.

That's what I'm referring to. Things in the Armory. Not just the weapons. But tactics, skills and non-military related equipment essential for SHTF.

>>13962861
That's part of the point of a realistic system. Combat isn't like the action movies.

Not fun to you? That's fine. It's meant for people who want a realistic game.

>>13963055
There was this one website I found when playing Twilight 2000. Had the stats for like every gun. To a /k/ommando, that thing matters.

You should post this in /t/ on OPchan (just google it, should be first result). You may get more constructive comments out of it than /k/.

Also, could you system work for military scifi? Say, slightly different weapons and alien creatures or whatever?

>>13963092
Because it's a much more elegant solution to just list the ammunition types and then let players get 2-3 modifiers to a base gun I.E. Pistol, Semi-Automatic; Rifle, Bolt Action. etc.

So to make a glock you would get a 9mm Pistol, Semi-Automatic with the Reliable and Common Traits. Bam

This seems pretty awesome OP.
I'm a big advocate of more realism in games.

Though I gotta ask: Why isn't damage just listed in the chart with the munitions characteristics? I can't find the damage for bullets at all in fact. I've no doubt is in here though.

Good job otherwise. You may have use a smidge too many individual guns though. I don't see the need for 22 different kinds of Glocks for example.

>>13963202
Ok, fair enough. I'd be surprised if you find much of a target audience for this level of detail though. How many people want the IMI Tavor TAR-21 to have slightly different in-game stats than the IMI TAVOR CTAR-21?

>>13963222
But that's not a Glock. That model could fit on any semi-automatic pistol. It has no distinguishing marks. What you're doing, is taking a generic pistol, and slapping a name on it.

As for Elegance. Realism and Customizeability do not sit well with Elegance. I'm trying to get /away/ from elegance, where cookie cutter weapons reign supreme. I don't /want/ cookie cutter firearms. That throws off the whole point I just said about detail.
>>13963215
It wold/could work, but everything I did I had a realistic background to fall on. With no background, I'm basically guessing when it comes to Sci-fi.

>>13963226
Because
there are 22 different kinds of Glocks, each a different size, and/or a different caliber.

I thank you for the approval, though.

>>13963248
My Guess would be the Israelis.

>>13963226
OH! and the damage isn't listed beacuase I couldn't fit it on the table. It's under the Ammunition, since, after all, thats the thing that's actually damaging you.

>>13963265
Is Israel full of gun nuts who are also gamers and also want REALISM in their games?

>>13963274
Yes?

Also, I sad the Israelis because the Tavor Series is an Israeli Rifle.

Oh! And as for an audience. From what I've seen, anyone who was dissatisfied with D20 Modern that I've talk to has loved my system. So..yeah.

154 Downloads and counting.More than three times the initial .1 Release!

>>13963265
Ah, okay. Found the chart.
I also get that you listed them because there are may variations of the same brand of firearm, but I don't know if every single one is necessary for my RPG. Perhaps 3 or 4 different glocks, hallmarks of the various forms. That's just me though. Again, bang up job.

>>13963292
Do they like your system because its rules are better than d20 Modern or because of the 75 pages of guns?

>>13963308
It got linked on grognard.txt, if that counts for something.

>>13963222
Maybe a more complex/realistic game just isn't your cup of tea? I like it, personally.

>>13963274
I've played games set in foreign countries. Really, all you're doing is nitpicking over the fact it has stats for everything. It makes a longer list. If a game detailed like this isn't your cup of tea, then that's fine. But some people (gun nuts especially) like it.

My constructive criticism? The legality system is too generalized. Laws vary by country, and a pistol license in the U.S is usually easier to get than a registered machine gun (which are really expensive now).

Also, I assume you have skills for gunsmithing, full-auto conversions and reloading?

Maybe you could add some improvised weapon examples, or just add more civilian guns.

Seconding suggestion on going to OPchan.

Maybe details for water/food consumption (doesn't have to be too complex), and powered equipment/generator rules. After all, SHTF is one of the big things for people who like milsim gaming.

>>13963313
Hey, that's the wonderful thing about GMing. You don't have to use what you don't like. It's there, if one /craaaazy/ player goes "I wanna shoot a sub compact glock in 10MM! or 357 SIG!". It's by no means obligatory to use /ever/ single glock and weapon.

But, I'm in the field where I'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.

And I thank you once more.

>>13961655
there will never be a Inna woods beta

:(

After a brief read-through of this:

is anyone considering running this? Because I would definitely like to try it. (including you OP)

>>13963314
>Do they like your system because its rules are better than d20 Modern or because of the 75 pages of guns?

Both.

>>13963331


>My constructive criticism? The legality system is too generalized.

Oh god I know. I /had/ to generalize this because it would be too complicated. It's one of the things I left up to the GM, because in reality, only the GM can govern these things.

>Laws vary by country, and a pistol license in the U.S is usually easier to get than a registered machine gun (which are really expensive now).

True! This is covered in Restricted items and Licenses. The system is also written from my perspective (An American Citizen), so most money notations(1 WP = 20 USD), and laws and such, are american.

Note: Yes, I know there are non-american gamers, but I could spend the rest of my life trying to incorporate every single country's quirks.

>Also, I assume you have skills for gunsmithing, full-auto conversions and reloading?

Craft(Mechanical) or Craft(Chemical). Again, that's more of a GM thing, since the definitions for crafting things are leaning more twords the GM.

>Maybe you could add some improvised weapon examples,

I added all I could come up with, any specific examples?

>or just add more civilian guns.

...what.

Seconding suggestion on going to OPchan.

Maybe details for water/food consumption (doesn't have to be too complex), and powered equipment/generator rules. After all, SHTF is one of the big things for people who like milsim gaming.

They're already there, in the condition summary.

As for powered Equipment, Generators? Eh..I hadn't even thought of that.

>>13963366
I know, and I'm sorry.

Got damnit.
>>13963370

Like online? How?

>>13963386
irc, OpenRPG, maptools etc.

>>13963397
Downloading and installing OpenRPG and maptoos now.

Alright, I'm at 173 downloads. Anyone got links to where this got linked?

>GURPS IS MORE REALISTIC
>GURPS IS MORE REALISTIC
>SQUAAAAWK

Whatever bros.

>>13963460
Best Post all day.

>>13963379
Zips, Pipes and Pens (book) has a few.

But namely pen guns, four winds shotgun, deer gun etc.

Oh, what about archaic firearms? From blackpowder repeaters to matchlocks? Then there's also the modern variations of those.

>>13963426
Could you make an IRC channel? I'm also interested

>>13963491
>Oh, what about archaic firearms? From blackpowder repeaters to matchlocks? Then there's also the modern variations of those.

I wanted to save those for an expansion or something. While I do understand that there are modern remakes of cap and ball revolvers, muzzleloader muskets and all that jazz, I really wanted to concentrate on weapons made during and after World War 2.

The reason, is because archaic firearms, while aren't bad, do require their own little set of rules and a separate mindset that I have to get in, to do those. My original play, was to have a Ops and Tactics Past(Which I was going to call Missions and Munitions), and go to the Pre-WW2 Fireams, armor, all that.

I haven't looked at everything in the .pdf yet, but this needs better formatting and some color. A light bluish-grey background for the pages would be nice.

Also, I approve of loads of guns.

>>13963491
Before I forget!

Crafted firearms are where I got Generic(Beacause lets' face it, they're generic). The 4 winds shotgun, or a .22 caliber pen gun are quite easy to make, and can be crafted with little to no time.

>>13963520
I'm leanring all this shit as I go along, so It'll be a little while. The IRC channel's going up first though.
>>13963551

Yeah, the formatting is horrible, and I know the colors are bad. I was more worried about the ruleset, than the prettiness of it. I /do/ need an artist, or someone who can make it look pretty.

I'm glad you like the guns though.

187 downloads so far.

I'd be somewhat interested in playing this online

UPDATE! I put it(This thread) on Sup /tg/. Go and vote it up and/or down as you wish.

IRC: How the hell do you use this shit?

Needs more civilian guns. Although not all of these are exclusively civilian, most of these are pretty common in the U.S:
Ruger 10/22 (by far one of the most note-worthy .22s)
PSL (commonly mistaken as dragunov in US, also pretty damn common for being a poor mans SVD)
Zastava M76 (DMR for yugoslavs, common in US)
AR70/90, SC70/90 (Italian service rifle)
BM59 (basically a literal M1 garand converted to .308 w/a detachable magazine and full auto. yes, it's different from the M14 in performance)
Kel-Tec SU-16

>>13963781
Magnets.

>>13963781
Install it. I recommend irc.rizon.net

/server irc.rizon.net
/msg Nickserv (kinda like a tripcode)
/join #(ROOM NAME)

are the commands for mIRC

>>13963791

>>13963798


Alright, I installed it(Smuxi, the program's name), and it's just giving me a long strong of DISCONNECTED!
>>13963783

>Needs more civilian guns. Although not all of these are exclusively civilian, most of these are pretty common in the U.S:

I do agree, somewhat.


>Ruger 10/22 (by far one of the most note-worthy .22s)

I can't belive I forgot that rifle, to be honest.

>PSL (commonly mistaken as dragunov in US, also pretty damn common for being a poor mans SVD)

Then there was things like this, where it comes to Splitting hairs. If it's just a rebranding, then I don't really see a point to have mutiple entries, for the same gun. What is so different about the PSL?

>Zastava M76 (DMR for yugoslavs, common in US)

The round, I'm kind of sketchy on including, to be honest.

>AR70/90, SC70/90 (Italian service rifle)

Hmn. I'll concider it.


>BM59 (basically a literal M1 garand converted to .308 w/a detachable magazine and full auto. yes, it's different from the M14 in performance)

Intresting. I might add that one too. It sounds very uncommon, though.
>Kel-Tec SU-16

Ugh. I kept this one out for ballance.

>>13963902
WAIT! The Kel Tec Su 16 wasn't what I thought it was, disregard.

Semi-realism is all well and good, but what I'd like to see is a system that simulates the gameplay of Counter Strike.

Where bunny hopping and noscoping with a large sniper rifle would be valid tactics.

>>13963961
>Where bunny hopping-
Stopped Reading right there. Just go play Counter strike.

Two hundred and three downloads. Good lord.


And this IRC is kicking my ass

>>13963971
I would like to, but not on my computer because I don't have the aim or reflexes for it.

>>13964044
Well, you could always play a character who /does/ have the relfexes to play Counterstrike

>>13963902
Well, it was the post-WW2 Italian rifle. It's about as common as most guns that stopped being imported in the 90s (Daewoos and Norinco weapons, although not extremely rare like a Sig 551). The BM59 I mean.

The funny thing about the PSL is that it's only a poor mans dragunov. SVDs (chinese, civilian or military ones) range from like 5-14k or so. The PSL is a completely different gun, but alot of people with an untrained eye confuse them as the same. PSLs are also cheap in the U.S. They're also used alot by Iraqis. Difference is mostly that it's a DMR and alot more similar to the AKM rifles than the SVD, which is a sniper rifle.

Zastava M76...I don't know much on ballistics. But like I said, ask OPchan.

Also, there's the Browning BAR (sporting rifle),

And I suppose that you may as well start on the pre-WW2 weapons (there's tons of smokeless powder guns made before WW2) before doing flintlocks and all. May as well start backwards since, IIRC, the 1890s-1910s had a LOT of new designs made.

>>13964032
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/chat.html
try this

typing "/join #[insert room name here]" should create a room with the name that you want

>>13964073
Ugh, I'm taking a small break before I dive back into gamewriting. Time to sit and play a couple of games before I start writing new rules

And a Poor man's SVD, I can live with that. Give it some Error range, and such.

As for the Beretta Rifle? Eh, I'll probably throw it in there, it's worth menchioning.

I saw the BAR sporting rifle too, just really didn't scream "Put me in!", IMO

Also! the IRC is up, at Rizon @ opsandtactics

(FOr those of you who don't know how to get to it, go to the rizon server, and type /join opsandtactics . That's what I did.)

Sage for making me think i could actaually download and play innawoods.

>>13964164
Bitter, bitter man.

I have only one particular question since I couldn't find it with a cursory examination:

How many slots is a MOLLE's maximum capacity?

>>13964194
What do you mean? How many MOLLE slots can a a piece of equipment have?

>>13964212
I was just under the impression that a MOLLE could only fit so many pouches, is all.

>>13964225
It can. It works like this.

One Large magazine pouch takes up one MOLLE slot. If your Molle vest has 12 Slots, it now has 11 Free.

>>13964235
I see. I guess that works.

>>13964254
It's a simple system. The advantage of MOLLE over bags, is that it only takes a move/attack (I forget which), to draw things, instead of a full round action rooting in a bag.

>>13961677
>>13961686
>>13961732

Reported for trolling.

>>13964405
Are you upset that we downtalked D20 Modern?

Is saging /really/ the answer to that?

>>13964414

nope. but reporting is.

You see, I hate Warhammer, but you don't see me posting in every warhammer thread to say FUCK WARHAMMER IT SUCKS DONKEY COCK.

Perhaps a three day ban will set you fuckers straight for a change.

I flipped through it (metaphorically), and I like what I see, esp. the 100 pages of guns. I'm starting a modern/SHTF Gurps game right now, but if this had been around a few months ago, I totally would have used it. One question, There is a gun in the table chambered in .17HMR, but that caliber isn't in the Ammo damage table. I assume you could just use the damage for .22LR?

>>13964433
You have quite abit of anger within you.

This isn't a thread dogging D20 Modern, and you fully well know that. The fact that someone said something about something that you don't agree with, they must be banned, correct?

You sir, need to calm down.

And yes, every time you sage, I will post.
>>13964483


... FUCK! It had the same Damage as a 9x19mm Damage. Shit, it's too late to fix it now.

>>13964433
So criticizing a game on a board for discussing games is a bannable offense, I guess.

>>13964529
well I'm assuming this is a beta so you can, y'know, fix stuff, so it's by no means too late.

>>13964555
Yeah, it is beta, but I'm not going to get nearly as many downloads as I got this time. Hell, I got four times the ammount when I released the alpha.

I checked out the rifle that uses .7 HMR, it was a last minute addition. Guess I forgot the Ammo. Fuck. I might just delete it.

.17 Remington does the same damage as a 9x19mm, it is in the table. I mean the .17HMR rimfire, pic related, that is the caliber of the CZ 453 American, on page 149. It's based on the case of a .22WMR, but because of the smaller bullet I could see it doing less damage.

>>13964529

>>13964529

oh, get fucked, asshole. I didn't report your thread, I just reported the fuckers trolling. We had a sticky not a week or two ago from the resident mod making it perfectly clear that he/she is happy to ban obvious trolls, and the IMMEDIATE "lol D20 sucks cocks fuk u" posts are obvious trolls.

But of course I'm the angry one, not the guy raging because somebody DARED to SAGE HIS THREAD. Because it's not a polite sage for a post not adding any topical content, no, it's an AFFRONT TO YOUR AWESOME THREAD, SO YOU'D BETTER BUMP IT TO STROKE YOUR EGO SOME MORE.

Yeah, *I* am the mad one. whatever.

>>13964566

If anything, it would do 1d4+1 or 1d4+2

>>13964579
>Yeah, *I* am the mad one.

Least you know it.

>>13964566
>>13964483
These are both me, BTW. I only really care about that particular cartridge because I have a rifle chambered in it, a Savage 93R17BTVS, pic related.

>>13964609
Ah, alright. Then I'll get started working on Beta 1.1, and fix that little tidbit. Thanks

>>13964583
>.17 HMR does the same damage as 9x19 Parabellum

At least he's not a raving fucking idiot.

>>13964627

But it doesn't. It's not even in the rules. I had gotten .17 Remmington mixed up with .17 HMR. A oversight when I was adding in last minute guns

>>13964627
Umm, did you even read the last couple of posts? we just established that .17 HMR does a similar amount of damage to a .22WMR. the .17 Remington, Pic related, is the one that does the same damage as a 9x19mm.

>>13964653
Noone apologizes on these boards. I wonder why that is.

you know that /k/ is a nice place to go for bullet specs

>>13964749

No, they're not. They're good for general gun knowledge, but ballistics an all that, simplified? They throw a fit.

Why do you not have stats for artillery or tanks?

ALRIGHT!

Fixed two minor errors in the book, and here is 1.1

http://www.mediafire.com/?w6vt79vuetx62w8

>>13964782
Beacause I haven't done the extensive research for Artilery yet.

Tanks however, there are a few tanks.


OH! Beacause this isn't a minatures wargame system. That too.

>D20
>exactingly detailed guns

This could not be less of what I want in an RPG. But good job putting the work in, I guess.

>>13964807
>>13964609
It's me again. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>13964883

What everyone wants in a RPG is different. Can't please everyone all the time.

>>13964890
And you sir, are quite welcome. I wish you a good night/morning/afternoon, wherever you are in the world. I hope you enjoy it, and have fun with the system I wrote

>>13964914

Well, I have to admit, you've got my interest in this.

I need to check out online roleplaying stuff again. Been a long, long time since I've done any formalized online rp.

>>13964954
I'm Glad I could grab your attention. Once I get OpenRPG to work the way I want it to, I might start to run some games on that. But Don't hold your breath, I'm still learning that thing.

Final Verdict: 166 Post, 16 Images,and 260 Downloads(And counting)

I remember this thing.
I downloaded an earlier version of it a while ago. A few weeks ago it was on /tg/ I think.
I recommended making a large difference in damage between handgun and rifle rounds. But the guy making this said it would screw up balance if that was done, if i remember correctly. Looking at pg 168 I see that a 9mm round does 7 points of damage on average and a 5.56 does 10 on average.
In real life a 5.56mm round is on a whole other league than the 9mm. But then the gross game imbalance that would result by bumping up all rifle ammo damage is still there.
Hmm. This is a decent balance between a balanced gamist approach and a realistic simulationist approac, I suppose. My knee jerk reaction is to say 'up the rifle damage' but I already know the in-game downside to doing that.
This is a good deal more simulationist than most systems when it comes to firearms. I'll say that.

>>13965056
I am the guy making it.

And I remember you specifically. I did change the gun damage around abit (I don't know when, I don't know what version you have.)

I'm glad you like it, though. And before you say anything. Yes. I know. 5.56 is weak, compared to Real life applications. But Hell, It'll kill most players on a good hit.

People are stll downloading!