whats coming out after the DE second wave?

No idea why i'm asking when i know this is a troll

I'll bite, what shop?

How do you like working for GW?

Honestly, i'm not certain on anything past that point, I've heard lots of fast and loose rumours about whats up and almost all of it you would have read on places like warseer etc like the summer of fliers etc.

What i can say, is the same as i said last night and that is that i've heard that this September will see either a warhammer quest re release like space hulk or possibly a new version of blood bowl. Can't answer why they seem to be totally opposite ideas, but thats what i heard last time i was in nottingham. My money is on quest.

Doubt a manager would use a trip like Wank Stain..either way, do you know if any more Sisters stuff is coming, or are they sending all the cool sisters stuff over to the grey knights and other marines?

>>14356459
c-c-c-c-counter troll!

>>14356425
>>14356443
>>14356477

I saw this dude here last night, he's legit, or at least seemed so

What was the worst customer you ever had to deal with, and how'd you deal with him

Like i said last night, not going to say where I work as I'd rather not get fired.

In answer to do I like it? No

I used to a while ago, but I've hated it for the last year or so, which is why I'm leaving next month.

In general retail is a crap job, people treat you like you're their personal slave, but recently the company has started turning from a small family esk business with the usual positives and negatives that come with that into a large multinational company which has all the negatives that come with that, none of the positives (i.e. pay increases, upper management with a shred of business understanding) and kept the negatives of a small family business (i.e. you don't minds working 10 straight? Oh we'll pay you 30quid for a 5 hour stock check)

Would you happen to know if necron stuff is actually coming out....or am I just getting my hopes up? Oh and that being said should I start buying my stuff now or when it actually does come out?
thanks wank stain caught the end of your thread last nite mate.

how do you manage games workshop?

Lol i was here for the thread last night, great thread, should have been archived. 'Cause now you'll get a lot of the same questions :P

Also wank stain was put at the top of his posts before he started using a trip so people could easily recognize it was the OP

What are your thoughts on the 6th edition rumors? I've heard it will be SMs vs. Chaos in the new intro set.

I do remember you saying something about fluff advancement yes? Care to expand on that?

Oh the wank stain thing comes from the fact that up untill like 5 in the morning yesterday the only way i could identify my posts was with something unique i put at the start of whatever i posted and for some reason i felt wank stain was the way to go, so when someone showed me how to use trip i kept the W S part.

Sisters, will be re done, i don't have anything concrete, but they're not going to get rid of something that makes them money. If they kept the dark eldar, they'll keep sisters. Haven't had anything time with the grey knight book as i'm on holiday so can't make any guesses on them giving the GK all the cool shit.

Worse customer asked me why we were closed on monday and tuesdays and when i answered that i spent that time with my wife and or studying she in a very condecending manner told me 'oh good for you, yes well done'

And unfortunatly all i could do was eat shit, because whilest i might hate my job atm, i still pride myself and being fucking good at it.
...though i might always be mysteriously booked up whenever she calls to get her son to do a lesson

>>14356539
I talked about this last night, in short, yes Necrons will be coming out, my money is on October for several reasons and I've heard that it's a major change, much like with the Dark Eldar so I'd stay away from buying anything, maybe pick up the Ctan models if you're a big fan of the sculpts as I've heard they might be removed or something

>>14356587
I'm a little sad that 6th is coming out in 2012, i'd heard about this 2 months ago and had dismissed it due to the source it came from, but several things he's said at that point have suddenly appeared in the 'mouths' of certain rumour websites from users who've been spot on the money 95% of the time for the last 3 years. So yes i'd put money on it.

What will it be like? Not a clue, i'm very happy with 5th, in fact i feel like i would like another 2 years with it as I've not got to actually enjoy it as much as i could have. My only change with be to add in a LD modifyer for every additional casulty over the 25% mark a unit takes during shooting as i find that you almost never fail that as well as pinning, haven't seen someone get pinned in years.

I'll post another ..post about the fluff in a second, just need to go get the wife a drink of water

Why is The Lord of the Rings game still around? The last movie came out in 2003 and I find it really hard to believe that there is new stuff for people to buy.

This one might be a tad long as this goes back to Andy Chambers.

Before he left (in fact, this story is the reason he left, or so I've been told) he came up with a plan to advance the 40k setting without it affecting the general state of the table top game.

His idea if I'm correct was another branch of the tyranid mennace shoots up from the bottom of the galatic plane straight for Terra setting the imperium on full alert. This occurs almost at the exact time as the 13th Black Crusade is launched meaning that the imperium is split and not only does Cadia fall, but terra is but fucked with the high lords leaving and the emporer kicking the bucket.

This sparks off several things, with the emp free of his body he begins to form the chaos child a new god in the warp more powerful than the chaos gods and it's purpose to protect humanity as well as the primarchs (at least the ones alive) returning and waging a massive war across the galaxy as everyone starts to pull out their end of the galaxy plans.

Basically you ramp up the grim dark with everyone fighting to survive. GW said no, and what was left of his idea got turned into the 13th black crusade.

The reason i say all this is that the rumour is that they've decided that perhaps that was the way to go, not soo quickly as mr chambers wanted and not using all the same plot points. But we might actually see the odd primarch turn up in 6th.

You'll notice that during 4th edition, the 13th black crusade seemed to have almost not happened and now it seems to be leading back up to it again, so we might see it as another big plot point, but hopefully done well.

We have a legal obligation to continue with the LOTR franchise and we'd probably loose more money if we were to just get rid of it.

Also the Hobbit will be out fairly soon, so that will kick start it all off again. Until that point you've seen the last of LOTR centric releases though. They still will release stuff, but it'll be secondry to something else, like the dwarf and goblin stuff back when they released the daemons of whatever else it was. Not until the hobbit get released that is.

Personally i hated the LOTR books, felt like reading the bible, so i don't play the game, but the mechanics to the stratagy game are quite cool and a lot of free systems use it with the odd mod or two

anything else? No burning questions about how the company works, whats going on with forge world, black library, what happened to rick priestley?

>>14356934

Speaking of forgeworld then, when's IA11 coming out?

>>14356875
I like the Silmarillion after you get past the gay ass intro.

>>14356934

I'll bite. Whats up with Forge World and the Black Library?

>>14356934
oooh, about Black library, any idea about the continuing structure of the Horus heresy series? I mean like how long they plan to continue it, will it go past the setting up of the the golden throne into the aftermath? Are they planning on at least starting to tie in some of the revelations into current books, like the void dragon, alpharius omegon, what not? Will we find out about the fate of Saul Tarvitz and the mysterious hangar the dred was guarding on isstvaan?

Forgeworld is it's own company almost and works to a completely different schedule, basically they bring stuff out when they think that its of a high enough quality and also when they've got the models done for it. GW tried to get them to change, to bring out their books and then slowly bring out models, like they do for codexs, but the guy in charge (i forgot his name) aparantly told them where to shove that idea and that he thinks the way he runs things is better as people get cool models and some beta rules for them and then when they've got the models made that they wanted made, then they'll release the book.

In other words got no fucking clue, but it'll be out probably in the next 2-3 months as they've already made a fair amount of stuff, but they've still got the wolves end of things to produce.

I actually really love the way they work, much more hobby based. There will be aparantly some more heresy specific stuff coming as the head of forgeworld got bored waiting for GW to do something with the heresy model wise, scratch built his own stuff and when people saw it aparantly said, shit yeah fuck it you should sell that through forgeworld

What is your general impression of the chances of GW adding any new playable factions, xeno, marine, or otherwise?

With the rumors about 6th edition and everything else, are you predicting a major shift in gameplay like the infantry to vehicle focus seen from 4th ed to 5th?

Going to have to disappoint you with information on the heresy as they're very tight lipped about it all and so are most of the writers. They are attempting to be very careful with it and spending a lot of time having meetings to make sure that it doesn't get fucked up.

Aparantly Graham and Dan had to sit behind ben counter when he wrote galaxy and say no to 100s of shit ideas. He wanted to change Angron into a chilled out dude -_- and in the end had to spend ages re writing parts of it. It's the main reason why galaxy in flames is great, but then battle of the abyss is pure wank.

Is the storyline of 40k or fantasy going to move foward much?

>>14357053
I'm fairly sure the move to mech wasn't ever planned. I don't think they thought it would have that huge a change, sure they clearly wanted people to start using transports etc but i don't think they saw it happen in the way it has.

6th is a mystery, we didn't find stuff out about 8th edition fantasy till the day of the national meeting where they pathetically tried to make us all act like children with smoke machines and our head of sale jumping through a door with the new rule book

It might just be another small change with 4th to 5th or it could be a huge revamp like they did with fantasy. Not a clue, 40k makes up like 60-70% of our sales for the entire company, so they've got some hard choices ahead.

Any interesting stories from working at a Games Workshop that you want to share?

>>14357069

hearing that they are making a concerted effort and taking a lot of care with the HH makes me happy enough.

And yeah, battle for the abyss is so bad it's not even funny.

>>14357112
>I can't be bothered to read

read the thread, there's an entire post for that question

>>14357112
If you scroll up a bit I've already talked about that a fair amount. Fantasy is getting a huge push forward with the warhammer forge books, but nothing has been said about that following through to the main game.

>>14357047
I don't think they'll do another actual loyalist marine book, even they're not that stupid, there's only so much you can milk that cow. Brand new races are a big thing for GW as they make a ton of money, it's a huge deal for hobbyists and there's something almost mystical about the success of these new races. So they're very careful about doing them too often and doing them right (unlike the first release of the DE). So in other words, good chance on a new race, but when? No idea, it'll be tight lipped though, think space hulk tight lipped, but perhaps more.

>>14357112

-for the first half of that question-
fantasy tho' not asked.

Will Matt Ward be doing Dark Angels and/or Black Templars?

I can't believe none of you have asked this yet.

When is Matt Ward getting fired? The heads at least know he pisses everyone off right? How has he kept is job? Does he give the bosses BJ's on a regular basis or something?

Seriously, that fat fuck needs to die in a fire.

Any word on what the two starter factions will be for 6th?

>>14357133
Hmmm I told a few of these last night, so let me think about one I haven't told.

Okay, here's a comparrison on what it used to be like to work for GW and what it's like now.

Several years ago, more years than i care to admit when i was a full timer and we had stores with more than 1 person, me and the rest of my co workers went drinking and kept drinking through the night travelling from one pub to the next to one of the guys flats and then without sleeping we all went back to work and had to take hour naps in the backroom to recover. One guy was half way through an intro when he had to run out back, throw up and then like a fucking boss continued with the intro. Can't remember if he got a huge sale out of it, but the kid definatly bought something.

Now, we go up to head office every 3 months for something call the SS camp (selling standards camps, or something i've called them SS camps for so long i forget) where we spend 2 days sitting about taking turns to suck the training team's cock and make sure that we suck it just right, not too often, not too hard and always to smile.

How do you keep your patience at *those* people who come into the store and are just..... rage inducing.

You know the sort...
People who think they know better. Neckbeards who enjoy tabling first-timers. Those who insist on playing with a wall of grey plastic army. Miniature thieves. Parents who treat the store like a creche....etc

I always did my best to be polite to the staff at my local GW... they were a great bunch.Got some great conversion ideas from them... including a sentinel with glass windows.

>>14357179
Thanks man, I have been wanting some more chaos books or perhaps some other minor xeno races. This gives me hope.

What do you think about the new GK codex? It seems I hear about as many people complaining about it as a I do praising it.

>>14357209
>>14357231

No idea, but i doubt anyone knows the community dislikes matt ward. Nottingham are so far removed from everything, it's actually quite scary as they have this little bubble of safety that is lenton and they never leave and so they think everything is fine.

Now don't get me wrong, that sounds bad and yes it is, but GW aren't close to failing and dying. Any person who starts one of those, so when will GW die threads is an actual retard without a shred of knowledge about the company, about how business works and i'd bet about how to make a woman not vomit when they see you. They'll get backlash and not do as well for a while, then they'll finally get that through their skulls and actually get rid of matt ward and or make big changes. It just takes a very very long time for them to understand the ramifications of what they do.

Do tell me if I go off topic too much, i tend to rant at points

>>14357284
then uh, do you know the overall impression when the Space Marine 'dex drifted away from all the Codex chapters, and became Ultra-Dick Sucker-Marines that Matt Ward adores so much from the novels? Such as, like, taking away the actual diversity and originality of the trait system?

>>14357232
Nope, too far ahead for the majority of GW to know that, let alone lonely peons like me.
>>14357274
I'm on holiday, so i haven't actually had my hands on the thing, i'm very worried about the fluff I've heard from people on the net, something about mortarion getting bitch slapped...
>>14357249
Honestly, i drink and i bitch and moan to whoever i can. Occasionally I've put someone in their place with quite firm yet polite comments, so far never had to go further. I take pride in the fact that I'm good at my job, so no matter the person i try to act professional.

The worst one was this guy who came in at christmas to buy the 50quid SM starter set, when i showed to to him and talked to him about it, he decided to get a tactical squad instead and when i tried to change his mind he said 'oh it's nothing to do with the price, just can't be bothered to carry that around, i'm sure he'll like these instead.'

Didn't buy glue and considering this was AOBR i'm fairly sure he didn't have anything, little jimmy probably opened them on x-mas morning and got to look at the pretty pieces.

I saw this one douche of a parnet dump their kid at a GW like it was some sort of day care. Dude was maybe 11/12 and he had some models to paint, but the parent was away for around 5 hours and the kid was just sitting there.

Do you actually have any duty of care for that kid. For example; do you have to make sure that the kid gets picked up by his parents, if something bad happens to him are you legally held accountable etc.

>>14357322
Maybe you will hate me for this but

I don't have an issue with C:SM, was perfectly fine with replacing the trait system with the special character unlock system we now have. Sure the fluff is a tad bit on the OMG Ultramarines are sweet as fuck, but you know, they are meant to be the golden children of the imperium space marine wise. They've been that way far far before Matt got a hold of them, i mean the first ever space marine codex was actually called codex Ultramarines.

>>14357400
Lol thats how i got into the game my mom would drop me off at the store and then go to the casino for a while.

the first time it was just intro games. but then i bought the intro with my allowance and started painting it.

>>14357400
Nope, we get CRB checked (criminal record background check) as UK law demands that due to working with kids, otherwise no.

I try to explain that to most parents, but they just don't care. I'm currently in a one man store, so the kids get kicked out when i go for lunch and it's their business what happens when i leave.

That might sound harsh, but the alternative is me being abused and taken advantage of even more than i already am, same goes for almost all other GW retail staff

Great thread, and thanks GWanon; it's the brave and beardy blokes like you who make /tg/ great.

Many questions:

Sales quotas, do you have them?
If so, what are the ramifications of not meeting them?
Is there an ample rewards system in place for meeting/exceeding them?
Have you ever had to sack someone for not meeting goals?

You say that GW pulls you in to SS (sales training) meetings. Does the company subscribe to any particular method or system of sales?

Do you ever get any cool travel out of being a GW store manager/employee?

How accurate are the internet sites BoLS and sons, Warseer, etc. when it comes to rumour proliferation? Do you, as a GW store manager, actually have much (if any) additional knowledge, or even lead time, over these internet sites?

What do you think of Fantasy Flight Games? Are they generally perceived positively by GW? How about BL? (I personally believe that they "get it" better than many of the GW/BL writers. OMFG, I loved the whole Haarlock series. Read the adventures like novels... sent shivers up my spine at moments.)

Do you still play WFB/40k for pleasure or is it the gynecologist joke? ("Oh darling please, not another vagina today.") Does GW count on "love of the game" to keep hobby store workers employed?

Apologies if you hit these last night... I missed it.

To be honest, most parents are fine, it's just that the bad ones tend to be the parents that stick in your mind.

>>14357284
What is your opinion of the LOTR tabletop GW makes? I got it that you don't like the books, but how is the game? is it cheaper to get into then WH 40k/fantasy? how are the models quality wise compared to WH?

Any word on when I'll get a new Eldar codex?

Which army sells the most in your store? Here in California I have noticed that Nercons sell a boat load despite being so decrepit.

What army/product sells the least?

>>14357432 Sons of Matteus Wardiman

Ok, so I actually think that Ward did a decent job with the UM, given that he pretty much wrote them as the blue and gold standard for us to compare everything else to.

And as for iterative fluff changes based on fan reaction, consider the info that has come to light in Prospero Burns and The First Heretic... UM Legion *might have* taken in marines from the lost legions...

This means that UM *might have* traitor gene-seed in their midst. Certainly opens the door to a darker shade of blue boy. I find it funny that Aaron Dembski Bowden was basically the initiator of this fluff (to my knowledge), and that ADB is a confirmed fa/tg/uy. I can see him doing that, too... "Fuck, I have to write UMs... well, I am gonna write an marine of a darker shade of blue."

ADB *might have* saved Matt Ward's job with some HH ninja moves.

Also, have you personally met the higher ups at GW? Are they complete jerk-offs or pretty cool chaps?

>>14357432
It amuses me that SOMEONE has finally said it, and now I'm waiting for some manner of butthurt to come out.
Ultras have always been the poster children of the Imperium, ALWAYS had the most special characters, ALWAYS took up the majority of the fluff in the SM codices. Nothing has changed, except the people with decidedly short memories who think that the latest thing to change on them is always the worst and everything that came before was better.
Guess what? Traits and doctrines just led to improved tournyfaggotry at every level. The people who used them for specific ideas were far outnumbered by the people who abused the system.
NO ONE actually used the GKs special rule about giving the opponent free lesser daemons or a daemon prince because GKs were bad enough as it stood, just like no one actually calls SoB players on gross misuse of Faith points. People bitching that they are gone are just people looking for anything to cling to.
Ward has written arguably the best crunch of any author in 5th edition. Everyone else has had either overpowering options or a dearth of them on several levels, Deldar notwithstanding. It has already been proven you can't have both, so I will take good rules that I can play with versus fluff that rarely comes up when I USE my expensive pieces of metal and plastic for the purpose I bought them for.
/rant

>>14357633

And then The Ward Strikes Back, by making the Grey Knights view the Rowboat as their spiritual liege.

>>14357645
Its like people complaining that doctrines are gone for the guard when the plethora of units for guardsmen pretty much allow you to kit them out any way you want them and effectively mimic any of the affects of doctrines.

>>14357482
Yes we do have sales targets, we have to make 3% growth on the previous year, which is done by increasing ATV (average transaction value, i.e. you sure you wouldn't rather buy the mega paint set instead of that one pot of paint?) and increasing customer count. We also have to hit KPIs (key performance indicators) which are intro games, intro paint lessons, core game sales (boxes and books), hobby starter sets (the set with paints, sand, clippers etc) website registration, in store terminal transactions, beginner lessons and i think thats it.

I've never fired somone based on not hitting targets, I've fired people who haven't tried or improved, but not purely on, oh you haven't hit your intro target for 3 months in a row. That does happen, and it happens a hell of a lot in the last year, I've been in a one man store (lost a very good full timer) since Mayish

If you make over the 3% growth, the manager and only the manager takes home 20% of the extra, but that's it and to be honest it's really not happening a lot at all.

Hahaha, subscribe to a particular method of sale, god that would imply that anyone up there pays attention to anything like business theory. No, they've got their own way of doing things, it'll take me hours to explain it, so in short, they have some good ideas, but then they end up fucking it up with things like daily assessment sheets.

No cool travel unless you think nottingham is cool (it's not, it's a shit hole)

Bols warseer are almost always spot on, seriously spot on, we don't tend to get any information before most people do, occasionally you do depending on who your regional manager or whether, like myself you're very good at networking and pretending like you like people.

LOVE fantasy flight, got myself the rpg books, the board games, hell even the warhammer living card game.

Not heard anything from gw about FF tbh, they used to have chaos in the old world in bugmans bar.

Black library getting things and not getting things is something I'll tlak later about as this is already a long ass post and there's a lot about BL thats quite fucked up actually.

It is exactly the same as the gyno joke, i'm leaving in a month so i've gone crazy with my discount in preperation to start enjoying my hobby. Don't get me wrong it used to be better, but this year, my hobby dried up and died.

Finally in answer to your last question, oh my god yes they do. At the moment, at least in the UK moral is really really low, people are leaving left right a center in retail and people are always moaning and bitching on the phone. But, get up in the middle of a meeting and try to address these issues and those same people will try and burn you alive for daring to question their lords and masters.

Almost everyone who works at GW wears very very thick rose tinted glasses, produced and made by Tom Kirby

>>14357556
Apart from the fact that it takes ages to kill one person, i actually really like the game play (that is stratagy not wotr which i hate), making a stratagy army is cheaper, but honestly, who are you going to play with, as no one plays the game in the stores and in most clubs.
>>14357566
No idea, but you don't need one, your codex works fine, there are others that need attention more than Eldar.
>>14357570
>>14357598
What apart from the obvious Space Marines? I honestly don't know, Tau and Necrons seem to sell far better than one would think, otherwise not sure to be honest. I can tell you that 40k outsells whfb and lotr put together almost 3 to 1.

In the last 6 months I've sold 2 entire LOTR boxs. They sell like HIV.

>>14357641

I have met several higher ups, and on the most part they're friendly nice incompetent morons. Nice guys, but no justification in being there on the most part. There are the odd few who are good, Ken who now works in BL always seemed to know what he was doing.

>>14357782
It sure does! Against any of the non-new codexes. I love requiring one very fragile unit to win.

You mentioned Black Library being royaly screwed, please elaborate good sir.

I don't know if you answered this last night as I wasn't here, but do you know if Tau are getting any new scupts? Specifically the crisis suits, I swear every time I look at those things I'm reminded of Foghorn Leghorn.

Pic somewhat related: It's what I would like Tau to be like.

>>14357556
Forgot to say, on the most part i think the models are wank, odd things like the drake and the individual nazgul are very cool, most others especially the older stuff are bad in my opinion.

Now i touched on this slightly earlier, but I'll go into it now.

The black library have some amazing ideas and produce some great stuff, but there is still this major lack of organization and professionalism . I used to think/hope that there was this massive internal wiki with all the information about the background of 40k and fantasy. So that writers could look up stuff to make sure they weren't treading on people's toes etc.

There isn;t one, at one point the writers all held a meeting to discuss creating one, but no one wanted the job (ever since i heard that I've wanted that job), so there ARE tons of mistakes, even in the heresy (fallen angels anyone with the i'm Astelan and i'm terran, nope I'm from calliban actually, I hate pykers, nope LOVE THEM actually.

There are lots of writers and indeed artists don't know the setting well enough, with editors having to make comments like 'nope sorry bolters don't fire laz beams, can you please re write that' i'm not taking the piss that happened.

There are points of hope with writers like ADB, if you're reading this I will leave my wife and have your anal babies.

The sad thing is that this situation is repeated across the company in everything, from the global begginers programm they launched almost a year ago that still hasn't been fully realized down to organising trips down to warhammer world.

>>14357782
what's the difference between strategy and WoTR? are they completely different games?

>>14356393

Cheers, mate. I raise a glass of Newcastle to you for time spent filling in those who deserve answers. What's your personal take on Ward? Is it just us, or does it seem to you like the fluff is becoming more and more the playground of folks who don't deserve to have any say? Ben Counter couldn't properly write even a short story to save his life, in my opine, and it's good to hear that McNeill and Abnett, the guys who really make sure 40k stays Grim and dark, keep him in check.

>>14357870
Do you know which author it was that thought bolters fired lasers?

All you morons asking about codex or model releases, he's already said that Warseer or BoLS is going to know that before he does. So stop asking - it's like people think there's like some kind of mystical clairvoyant aura surrounding GW employees or something.

On that note, what do you think about the guys who come in and just want to, you know, make friends? The so ronery crowd - are you generally polite and try to get them to buy something, or are you tempted to tell them to fuck off so you can work, and then feel bad about it when you know they're going to write letters and complain on the internet?

BTW, I think this thread is fascinating. I knew 40K was popular, but outsells WHFB and LOTR 3 to 1 or something? Wow.

>>14357800
Sorry if this sound rude, but you are wrong, i do apologize but you are wrong. It's still competitive, turning up in the top 10 more often than Tyranids do. Yes there are issues with it, yes you do have more useless units in your codex than some, but you've still got some great stuff and you're still competitive.
>>14357843
Tau are quite far off, so i doubt anyone outside of the design studio know what they're doing look wise, but in all honestly it could go either way. The models are old and i think need re working, but then again so do the Tomb Kings and they're getting almost nothing re done, but of course thats fantasy and as I've said 40k sells better than fantasy so perhaps they just don't want to invest the money in TK but might do so with Tau.

If I were you I'd leave the Tau alone till they get re released, they (unlike the eldar) desperatly need a new codex and they just don't work anyone.

Hope that helps, don't think it did though.

>>14357925
>bolters fire lasers
>lasers
>multilasers

GOTOOOOOO!

>>14357948
tau work, they're not as amazing, but they still work.

>>14357963

When will people shut the fuck up about multilasers, multilasers actually exist

I read Hell Forged by Ben Counter, and it was really something else...

How does stuff like this manage to escape Black Library? Why is such poor writing ability tolerated? (stupid question?)

>>14357948

A few questions sir.

- How well is all of the 40k media stuff doing for GW? Like Dawn of War, and the related titles and the like.

- What's your take on /tg/ 's (and to a lesser extent the *chans in general) fan branching out/fluff? Do any other notable GW's employee's know of it and if so positive or negative?

- Finally this has been on my mind a while, I enjoy Dan Abnett and McNeill's writing but are either of them beginning to be burnt out on 40k? Does Dan's eye twitch when he has to write a new Gaunt's Ghosts?

>>14357878
Very different, WOTR is fantasy light with heroes that actually rape through units and units, strategy is a skirmish game with each person acting on their own, no units.
>>14357908
Thanks mate, yes i do feel like the design team are just left to do what they want and there's no interaction. I mean, okay i didn't like James Swallows Blood Angel Books, but fine they're cannon and the stuff with Fabious Bile is cool so why the hell does nothing about that entire 4 book series turn up in the blood angel codex? Why did Lemartes suddenly loose his job, get the back rage and Astorath turn up?
>>14357925
Couldn't say as I the guy who told me was very adamant that he wouldn't tell me. My money is on Ben Counter or Mike Lee (although i like his writing, he doesn't seem to know 40k).
>>14357930
In their defence I do know a tad bit more than most due to the people i know and my charming personality.

The ronrey crowd, i tend to make friends with them to by utter dismay. I mean I don't invite them to my wedding, but I always treat them like mates when they're in the store, because they mean well and I feel sorry. On occasion I want to straggle them, especially when they chased out this stunning and (i hope) perfectly legal girl out of my store with their social retardation.

Yeah the 40k fantasy thing amazed me when i first found out, it's funny though as they seem to forget that, it's the main reason why they've made profit warnings this financial year as they thought that 8th edition would sell as well as 5th edition 40k. Doesn;t take a genius to work out that 8th should have sold 3x as less as 40k, apparently it does take a gw upper management team NOT to understand that...

>>14357971
Fair play to you, clearly you're doing something others i've seen aren't.
>>14357996
Not a clue, i'd love to know that as well, especially when there is a pool of writers who know and love 40k sitting around on the blacklibrary bolthole forums with some serious talent. Saying that they did just commision one them to write the red corsairs SM battle book. So they are learning.
>>14358050
Dawn of war etc has been great, it's a real positive for the company, for 40k and actually for wargaming in general. I've had some kids actually turn up to the store to buy starter sets because they loved dawn of war so much.

I have to say I don't know much about /tg/ and the other chan's fluff writing, the only non cannon fluff writing i know about is on the blacklibrary bolthole forum which the black library are involved in actually with the head christine i believe regularly posting on them as well as several authers like richard williams, ADB, james swallow, nathan long(?).

No idea about getting burnt out, I know that Dan has his other projects and that Graham is starting some of his own as well, he's written one for Fantasy Flight games and their tie Arkam Asylum books

I you could change one concrete feature of GW corporate policy, what would it be; and why?

If you could sack one person at GW corporate, who would it be; and why?

If you could change one piece of 40k fluff, WWIB;&W?

If you could change one 40k rule, WWIB;&W?

>>14358051

I've been playing 40K for a long time, but I finally got into fantasy with Island of Blood. I love the game, it's arguably better than 40K, but I'm hesitant to buy the 600 page hardcover rulebook, and some of the old model range looks terrible.

As much as I like Warhammer, it makes no kind of business sense to take all the cash from the 40K franchise and invest it into models for a game that sells so much less product. Maybe they just need to a better job of selling it - better licensing deals, bigger promotion of Fantasy? Still, LoTR didn't seem to lack support, and the game tanked anyways after a few years. Anyways, do continue.

So... I've been playing GW games for far to long. My WD collection starts somewhere in the mid 60's number wise. With all the games that GW has put out over the years, 40k, Fantasy, Epic, Necromunda, etc... ignoring the main staple of 40k, Fantasy, and Lord of the Rings... which of their other games have you played/wanted to play that you never got a chance to play?

I still miss Man-O-War personally.

>>14358116

Thanks for the response, glad to know DoW has had that manner of impact. Its what brought me and all of my friends into the fold actually. Though /tg/ not getting recognized by the powers that be saddens me a little as there's some very talented people here in all forms of fluff/media. Guess that's just the trade-off for a mostly anonymous image board with a god-awful rep.

Good to hear they're (ever so slowly) learning though.

hmm policy, well there are thousands to choose from, but the one I think that would make the biggest impact is their total lack of regard of feedback. No matter where it comes from, from the internets, from customers or from staff. There seems to be this attitude where upper management believes that only they know how things work and that no one should question them. I mean they literally say that 'no one understands how the niche business works outside of us, that is why we're so successful because we don't listen to the naysayers outside, we listen to our experience with this company'. I think that might actually cause some immediate changes for a lot of things and would probably make it a much better place to work.

Mark Wells, want to kill the beast, cut off it's head, although the manager of bury i'd love to see die of eyeball cancer (fucking talk like that to me again and I'll kick you fucking teeth in, yes, even if it is over the phone.)

Get rid of Fallen Angels as it shit all over the characters and background built up by Gav thorpe.

Rule change, i think you should get a reroll for each woman of reasonable attractiveness you've slept with. Then i might actually win a fucking game or two.

>>14358160
Buy the rule book, admittedly i have a slight addiction to books, but it is beautiful, the artwork the quality. It's very very cool.
>>14358168
Man o War, i've heard sooo much about it, but just never picked it up, also epic. For years i always looked down on it as i didn't like the scale, but i saw a game played a while back, loved it, went to go buy some armies and found that we'd stopped doing almost all of them and lost heart.
>>14358203
If you want or there are others you know of that want recognition fluff writing wise, seriously check out the blacklibrary bolthole, it's not run by GW, but like i said the black library have a vested interest in it and have hired some (not enough) but some people from it.

I remember hearing a while back that GW was determined to update every codex to 5th before 6th came out. Now that we know 6th will be here around summer of next year, it seems impossible that this will happen.

Do you have any insight on this?

>>14358317
No insight, never actually heard anyone officially talk about that either. I can imagine that thats the idea, but i can see it as a possibility, but within reason. If you have a look at the codexs

6th Edition Codex
SM
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
IG
Tyranids
Dark E
Grey Knights

4th, but written with 5th in mind so basically 5th
Orks
Daemons of Chaos

So that leaves, Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Chaos SM, Sisters, Dark Angels, Black Templars.

Now Templars and Angels have had a massive faq update, making them basically 5th edition codex's without any need.

Eldar and Chaos SM although with many issues, still work and win.

Leaving actually only tau, necrons and sisters left. Which is easily doable in a year and 3/4 months. In fact you could probably throw in both eldar and Chaos into the mix and they'd be done by 6th edition.

Although that wouldn't be technically everything having been re done, it's virtually the same.

>>14358284
>>14358168

>Manowar
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_UGFLT0VMY

I'm fuckin glad you hate Battle for the Abyss as much as i do, that book was aweful. Everyone keeps trying to tell me its awesome, it has to be the worst HH book by a long shot.

What is the worst/best gamin experience you have ever had?

Which game do you prefer, 40K or fantasy?

Also, do you find 1 to be cheaper than the other?

Thinking about getting into fantasy lizardmen.

>>14358284

Good on ya. I loved Man-O-War, still do. Just wish I had ever gotten a chance to finish off my Norse fleet before those cockeyed bastards killed it off. I've been having fun playing Uncharted Seas and some of those guys other games.

So, in keeping with my being a bitter and angry old bastard, I gotta ask this. Up at the Chicago battle bunker a few years back I went to go play a game of Fantasy in their store, and was told that because a lot of my Dwarf army isn't anywhere close to the new GW figs, that I couldn't use it. I got most of my stuff back in the late 80's and early 90's, so I've got things like Alric's lot and the like, any official rules on not being allowed to play with older miniatures in the stores?

>>14358406
Oh man i hated that book, i finished it, but man it was balls, it should have been a short story. It was like reading a bad james bond book, the word bearer dude might as well of had a cat and spent the novel stroking it.

Best/worst gaming experiance, Worst has got to be doing my 1 millionth intro game to some kid that is not understanding what is going on and probably was dropped at birth. Best any game i play where I actually suggest the game as opposed to get badgered into playing someone because they don't have an opponent.

Taking work based stuff out, best would have been drawing with this guy who i reckon is one of the greatest players on this planet.

Worst was playing this guy who threw all his toys out of his pram when i beat him and embarrassed me in front of my at the time girlfriend and now wife.

>>14358413
I'm all about background, every army i play is due to their background or some BL book i just read, so for me it's 40K as i think it's THE best scifi setting ever. Although saying that the Lizardmen's fluff is VERY good, they were my first fantasy army actually back in 5th edition.

I'd probably say that fantasy is slightly more expensive due to the size of the armies and the amount of metal in almost every army, but the difference is pretty small and both systems have their expensive and cheap armies.

Lizardmen and very cool, don't get too in love with Steggs and cannons will ruin your day every game. Slann though are the tits, great rules, great models and great fluff, that goes for the entire army actually.

Side note...am i actually selling things to people over 4chan..

>>14358446
Nothing, they were flat out wrong. I can understand why they try these things on with people, with targets being shoved down our throats and jobs being lost you get to a point where you're tempted to push it with certain people, like guys with old models etc.

But they're still wrong, i actually really dig the old dwarf models, there's a guy at my store with a beautiful dwarf army made from all the old stuff and I love it, its a great example for people to see how the models you buy now aren;t going to go out of date, unlike you're x-box.

If that ever happens, do the following. "I would like to borrow your store phone to call head office to lodge a complaint about you as I know for a fact that isn't the policy of gw." He'll probably shit himself and backdown, otherwise call them, tell them that you came in for a friendly game and afterwards you were about to go buy yourself a new army, but after the way you've been treated perhaps you should save that money and try out hordes/warmachine. They'll applogise, you might get something and that guy will get pistol wipped.

>>14358541

lol when asked for an opinion on armies you give an honest and informed one.

Also, OP you are a bro for doing this.

What is your opinion on painted vs unpainted?

A few weeks ago I was discussing this with a few other players at the local hobby shop. We all agreed that painted is always the way to go. But one of the players seemed to disapprove of paying some one else to paint an army.

>>14358607
Thats the sad thing to be honest, I used to enjoy my job. Sure it didn't pay well, and of course didn;'t you my degree at all, but i enjoyed bringing the hobby to people, getting people excited about it, running events/campaigns and shit. And without being arrogant, I'm good at it as I don't bullshit and people seem to trust me because of that.

Now though? They've made things so volatile work wise all the love and passion is gone. That why I'm off, going to go work in property. Souless but it pays well and at least I'll get my hobby back and perhaps buy the wife something sweet.

>>14358599

Hot diggety shit, that idea right there sounds like a winner to me. Sadly, I'm not going to be visiting my buddy in Chicago again for a while. (I live in Kentucky), but the next time I head that direction I'll do just that, see if that surly balding sonofabitch is still there.

Are people allowed to come in and play the older games? Epic and whatnot, because if so, hells bells, I'll bust out my Epic Squats and go to town.

Oh... oh yes, now I've gotta ask.

Anyone there play with Squats at all, and does GW have a policy about them?

>>14358655
any word on whats in the new 6th edition starter set?
ive heared rumours pointing to sisters and demons

>>14358660
>more than 90 posts before squats are mentioned
>not a troll
I love you sometimes /tg/

>>14358651
Playing with painted models is always best, but not always realistic. Some people go down the pay someone to paint your army route and some people go down the slowly paint your army whilst still playing with it even though it's not finished.

I subscribe to the later, but there is nothing wrong with getting someone to paint your army. Some people don't have the time to paint and play and some people don't have the skills to paint their armies to the standard they imagine in their head.

Nothing wrong with someone else painting your army for you. Not for me, but doesn't mean i disprove, wouldn't suck another dude's dick doesn't mean i don't understand elton john digging it though.

Only issue i have with people's armies is when they play with the same grey plastic/ undercoated army for ages without anything getting even the smallest bit complete.

>>14358683

this has been mentioned 3 times already. damn, read the thread.

>>14358660

I've heard they may be in the new tau book or so rumors say.

>>14358683

Dude, fucking pay attention this has already been addressed, rumours point to marines and Chaos marines.

Hey OP, heard of any plans to expand on the Adeptus Mechanicus? Perhaps with more novels and/or a Codex.
Sorry if this question has already been asked.
Thank you for your time.

>>14358684

Dude, in my house I have one of those game rooms full of useless metal shit for games I can't play anymore, or miniatures that I just never got rid of. I've got a massive army for Capitol from Warzone, a fuckhuge Squat army for Epic and for 40k. I use my squats for my IQ when I break them out at the flgs.

>>14358752

Err... that should have been for my IG, not IQ. Jeez, senior moment.

I don't have a FLGS, so I have to ask: are Marines really the main army of token 13-year-old douchebags? I keep hearing it's also Orks.

Also, how do you deal with obnoxious/smelly/neckbeard players?

>>14358660
Unfortunately yes we do have policies about specialist games and it's mostly a big fat no. It is left slightly up to the manager and of course he regional, so sometimes some stores might allow one particular specialist game to be played in a moderate amount. But that's few and far between, I always wanted to run BFG but got shot down several times by my regional.

Squats? Umm nothing really rules wise. I could see someone getting uppity about you pulling them out to play a game, but then again me and my regional did spend an hour chatting to some guy about converting the dwarf pastics with IG and SM stuff and then using either the SM codex or the IG codex to represent them.

Though there are rumours (this is from warseer, not from head office) about Demiurg turning up in the next Tau codex, so you could soon be playing with a squat esk army.

>>14358683
No idea, i think i answered that already, but yeah no idea. I can tell you though that it will have space marines in it, not chaos marines, i mean perhaps them as well, but defiantly loyalist marines of one chapter or another.

>>14358793
>>14358748
>>14358731
>>14358683
Ok the ”Bombshell” I really need to use better wording…

”By the end of the next Olympics we will be treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time in a long time neither Xenos nor the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman will be featured. Nor will the Sledgehammer of the Emperor be chosen to fill the starter box.

What that means for all of us… we shall have to wait and see.

>>14357034
that's fucking awesome, the fw guy is just like Mars and the Mechanicum saying lol fuck you when the imperium/high lords or anyone try to shove them around.

aw yeah

Thanks for making these awesome threads WS.

Are there any plans to make a plastic IG great coat or Vostroyan regiment. I mean what was the point of releasing the vostroyans just to have them fade away into oblivion?

>>14358749
I kind of talked about this before, but I'll try and answer more specifically for the mechanicus. Game wise, read up for the stuff i said about new armies, but in terms of black library they do pop up a fair amount in quite major roles (titanicus, mechanicum, the first word bearer book,) but the problem with the mech boys is that they're quite hard to write from their perspective as it's fairly one dimensional. They're quite secluded.

Obviously thats all opinion and has the same validity as anyone else saying that. Sorry I couldn't give you more.
>>14358779
I have to say I've never encoutered these 13 yearold douchebags that play 40k, i mean i've met 13 year olds' who are douchebags and think they are hard as nails but none that play 40k. So umm.. no?

Smelly neckbeard people, again i might have answered this, but I just remain polite, helpful, if i feel they are upsetting people i politely put them in their place and most seem to respect that. Not had issues with that, had a couple of drunk guys come in the store and give one of my favourite customers shit and i lost my rag at them, flew off the handle and they left quite quickly. Perhaps due to the razor saw i still had in my hand as opposed to my amazing manly anger.

Wank Stain, my hat is off to you sir. Thanks for the pleasant conversation and the good info.

Now tell me, your last 'Ard Boys 40k tournament, what was the winners circle like? Around here for the last two years of it we've had IG, Orks, and Orks. I've done pretty well with my massed wall of foot guard(squats) and loads of cheap lascannons/autocannons, but I know that everywhere else is different. Is the tournament scene in the UK as balls to the wall crazy as it is over here?

W.S do you think there has been to much power creep in the 5th ed codices.

And secondly have you noticed large amounts of people moving away from 40k to more fan base friendly companies such as privateer press?

>>14358868

What are the most popular 40K/Fantasy armies these days?

Of the little that you know about Forge Worlds business strategy would you say that they release new models based on what GW is drumming up?

In other words, Would you wager I'm going to have to wait for a new Chaos Marine codex before Forge world decides to offer me something besides a handful of terminator kits and vehicle doors?

Because i just have this itching feeling that some FW sculptor is putting th finishing touches on a less retarded dread knight as we speak.

Will GW be making a plastic IG medusa kit?

>>14358863
Thats alright, I'm actually really enjoying doing these threads, it's very therapeutic as i have all this crap in my head that very few people care about and the ones that do I can't exactly tell them face to face.

No no plans what so ever, i heavily doubt that they'll do them in plastic, it's much more a forgeworld project that gw.

In answer to why would they just release them and then do nothing, because they do that alot, with lots of things, not just product. GW is very reactionary and run from one idea to the polar oppostite instead of taking an educated look at what went wrong and trying to rectify it.

I feel your pain as those models are beautiful, but yeah, you either need to suck it up and get them or wait for forgeworld and i imagine First born are bottom of the list as they look great compaired to mordien, valhallarn etc.

Hey I had a Squad army.

For a time it was on display at the GW at Metrotown, Sadly they closed down >:

Your still able to use them, I personally used them as a proxy Witch Hunters army. I am not positive that they allow you to play Epic or GorkaMorka anymore >:

Pic is of Salamander's.

Hey mate, whats the story with RICK PRIESTLEY

What 40k/WFB armies do you play?

Do you have any information on upcoming things regarding Daemons in 40k, or just in general?

Perhaps plastic Plaguebearers?

>>14358870
I'm not a tourny person, but the tourny scene has changed a lot, we don't have 'ard boys, thats a US only thing atm. We have throne of skulls and it works really strangely, too complex to explain, if you are curious I'd go the website and change the country to UK. Though I'm surprised to hear that Orks have done well this year as IG killed them off a lot in the UK
tourny scene from what i heard.

>>14358897

Nope not noticed it tbh, i mean there is always some power creep when you compare the newer to the very old, but otherwise nope. Might just be my gaming community.

In answer to the moving to companies such as Privateer, you notice the odd random guy, but otherwise nope. Haven't lost someone to another company that came even close to being a good customer. I have on the other hand stole one guy from flames of war, used to come in a buy paint and tools, chatted to him about stuff, he loved the starship troopers film, BAMM 3000 point IG army. >>14358902
Like I said, Forge World play by their own rules and don't link in their product releases with GW. Never seen them link stuff ever actually, not even by accident. So yeah, you getting chaos stuff is unlikley, I can find out more as i need to make some goodbye calls to people and talk to some people about an artist whose looking for a job so i can perhaps scrounge some information, but getting it to you seems like a difficult task. Also i feel the pain, i want salamanders and space shark shoulderpads and shit.

>>14358915
Almost positive you'll see a plastic flakk tank this summer, but not sure when you'll see a medusa, i can't imagine they won't make one as they made the stupid single missle tank thing. When is anyone's guess, probably when they do another proper wave for the IG with storm troopers etc.

>>14359008
Plastic plaguebearers probably aren't happening ever. They were the one thing that needed to be added MOST in the Daemons second wave but no, GW would rather sell bloodcrushers 3 to a box instead of a single $35 metal miniature.

Nevermind that Fiends are still metal, and awful.

if you don't mind me asking

is GW okay with me buying stuff from another countries online store? infantry squads are AUD55 compared to USD24 when comparing between the US and AUS sites and even with shipping costs, i'm saving a fuckload.

or do GW pull some dickery and make me pay extra price anyway?

>>14359049
they rape you on shipping, but its still cheaper/the same.
buy from soem online store though, and youll save way more.

>>14359072
yeah it's almost grimdark seeing the prices that third-party websites sell the miniatures for..

but it IS possible to buy from another countries GW website then? because I don't mind throwing my money at GW, just not that much.

>>14359049
Not OP but a fellow ausfag.

I'll think you'll find that the P&H for stuff from other GW sites is so highly inflated it costs about the same as the Aus GW shope.

Which is a shame because GW Australia's prices are so heavly inflated. I mean in many situations we're paying double the price the US GW charges even though our currencies are close to parity.

>>14359008
Daemons only just had their 2nd wave, you're going to wait for a WHILE before you see anything else, i imagine a long while considering that plague bearers suck in fantasy now.
>>14359007
Right well, these are the armies I own, be it painted/just built/in plastic wrapping.
Lizardmen
Ultramarines
Tyranids
Orks (very small mind you)
Orc and Goblins
Imperial Guard
warrior's of chaos (again small, like 1k)

Lots and lots of random stuff from armies all over the place

>>14358991

I was wondering if someone would ask, yes that's a very odd tale.

The first time i heard about him leaving was through warseer, it just wasn't talked about. So i poked about and found out lots of random stuff, not all of it makes sense so I'll just plop it on here.

At one point we all thought that Jervis Johnson had gone as well. Then suddenly nothing was said about him leaving and the conversations dropped, some said it was just a false rumour, others that he had threatened to leave as they were quite tight and that rick had convinced him not to.

Some still say rick was fired, like fire fired, but the official line from what most people say is that they just couldn't find him anything they and he both wanted him to work on and thus let him go. He does still have the option of free lance and that doesn't seem like something he's not planning on doing, but most said that GW couldn't justify his salary if no one could find him something to work on.

But i was also told that everyone involved with warhammer forge was confused as fuck as to why he left and didn't realize his work with them was only a kick off thing, not a permanent thing. Therefore some thought that they used him to promote warhammer forge, get people on board and then after they had used him finally decided to get rid of him.

No one wants to talk about it now and any questions on it are brushed off quickly

What the best way to Learn 40k, or im my case re learn.

I've tried shopping the idea around with my friends to go in together an build a few armies to learn with but no takers.

I've also heard that any attempt to be taught at any of my local GW stores degrades quickly into "Buy this unbalanced starter set that dosent even meet compulsory force organization requirements."

>>14359031
W.K what do you think about of the addition of flyers into mainstream 40K?

Also am I the only one who thinks the Storm Raven model looks hidious.

>14359120
if shipping costs was the flat rate of 50usd, then as an IG player, I stand to save loads of money by buying the cadian battleforces over at the US website since their prices are 85USD compared to 155AUD. And the battleforces already heavily discount the sum total of the unit prices.

fff-win

>>14359083
Yes i believe that is still fine, we used to do it up in
Edinburgh for tourist (of course that was a fair while back)

>>14359130
Naa thats mostly internet hype crap, i mean sure that might happen, but mostly the guy there will be very happy to have an adult to introduce or re introduce the hobby into. If you find he's being pushy or you're not sure he's being totally honest about his suggestions, just be honest yourself, tell him what you want from him, from the game, what you are prepaired to spend. Most of those pushy sales types are just nervous social rejects, having the boundries set for them relaxes them.

It really is the best way to learn, that and watching the regs play games, most of the time they're also happy to help and give advice.

>>14359140
I'm quite excited about the summer of flyers expansion, it'll be interesting to see whether this makes it into the 6th edition rules. Also no lots of people don't seem to like the storm raven, I've met lots of people who, when they see it in the flesh have it grow on them but in general everyone thinks that its needs bit of lengthening.

Saying that, i did buy 3 for my Ultramarines to use in Apoc and because i think they'll look cool

>>14359130

Different anon, but related to his question.

I've been away for 5 or so years and started getting back into it recently only to find that my Iron Warriors no longer exist and that my new codex seems pretty bad. I'm planning on sticking with the army scheme, but should I hold off on buying the new codex? Is it not as bad as it seems?

>>14359209
Hey W.S. read all your posts, love the info.

Just wondering, 40k seems to have a pretty bad rep as far as the levels of neckbeard goes...are the majority of people who play it absolutely hopeless geeks or are most decent people who are just normal blokes with girlfriends and jobs, etc?

Gotta be honest, I'm sometimes get a little embarrassed about my 40k love when I see how some of these people are...

Took keep it relevant and bump here's some black reach orks i painted.

>>14359209

Are specialist games like Mordheim beeing rejected due to not beeing able to generating enough sales?

>>14359140
I agree with this man, it looks like a cut in half Land Raider with stubby little wings bolted on. The Gray Knight DreadKnight thing makes me wonder what they were smoking as well.

Also another question; when can we expect the new Tyranid models? There was many, many new units in the codex that were modeless.

>>14359236
its a pretty even split between kids 12-16, douchbags, and regular folk.

but its pretty locational, most clubs tend to be mostly great people over 16, most GW stores have many more younsters, and most LGS have more douchbags

>>14359234

No, they exist. Unfortunately your codex was heavily dumbed down and the legion rules were all thrown out in favor of a more cult heavy army. Doesn't mean you can't play them still, just within the limiting confines of a subpar and flavorless codex.

That said, their current codex did make me get some berzerkers and paint them up as Iron Warriors, just so I could have continuity within the army.

will continue to answer questions, but i need to have a quick fag, so I'll be back in a minute or two

>>14359236
depends on the area/age-group. A tidy flgs/well-run GW will normally have a cadre of dedicated regulars who are great guys to roll some dice with

the gangely unkmmpt losers stick in your mind more than the reasonable, fun people though.

>>14359236
not OP

but there's like maybe three-four 'normal' people at my local gw store out of maybe a group of twenty regulars and I think the gw employees make up most of the three-four.

>>14359249
i tooo do not understand this, modifying inquisitor to work with regular 40k models and updating mordheim and inquisitor to the current rulesets would surely be a great boon for sales, and intros to the hobby.

>>14359279
i had about 6000pts split between word bearers, pre heresy world eaters, and deathguard.

now i never use deamons. and most of my lists are filled with bezerkers, land raiders, and obliuterators.

>>14359236
I'll answer the other questions in a second but i wanted to reply to this one first.

Yes there are a lot of people who do our hobby who are hopeless losers, and yes i am at times embarrassed by my hobby and my job especially so when i meet other managers.

But, there are also some really fucking cool ass people who do this hobby, lots of them in fact. My store oddly has a very cool crowd of people who hang out and do the hobby, even a couple of serving soldiers, they went back on tour a few months back.

When you said this, it reminded me actually of one person in particular, this guy is or at least was (been a while since the last national meeting). He's the manager of Covent Garden, Dave, litterally the coolest guy I've ever met, last year he was the most successful manager in the company. He's this very tall black guy with corn rows and he has lead a fucking intense life, he was a model and actor managed some very successful bars in London and he fucking LOVES blood angels, he made this sweet ass conversion of a storm raven using a landraider and a valk. So down to earth, so cool, and so into the hobby.

If you are ever in london, go to Covent Garden, his team are also pretty cool as well, when i first met him he was with his full timer who had just been promoted, justin/joseph or something, long haired young guy who was equally as cool to be honest.

So in other words, yes there are times to be embarassed, but actually there are a lot of solid dudes into this hobby of ours

I was going to try and do a word bearers army using Fabius Bile as the leader and getting all troops. I'm not entirely sure how well people would appreciate my ignoring the fluff about MOAR DAEMONS though.

But now I'm just going to convert them to my Iron Warriors army to fill that out and give me more models to practice painting. I also have an unfinished basilisk that I can't use so I may take that and my defiler and make something unholy.

>>14359371
>So in other words, yes there are times to be embarassed, but actually there are a lot of solid dudes into this hobby of ours
Yeah that's pretty much how I take it.

That guy sounds rad btw.

>>14359383
was in response to this. forgot to quote
>>14359320

>>14359371
I live in Glen Burnie Maryland, where the US HQ use to be.
Totally agree with what W.S. says about cool ass dudes being in the hobby, its not just 100% neckbeards. Yes of course there would be large fat men like people who would never let a slip of fluff go unpunished, nut there was plenty of cool bros to make up for it. One of the annoying things was they were kinda anal about models being painted sometimes cause "ZOMGS THE BRITISH ARE COMING".
Could always pick them out just from their accent.

>>14359234
Like they said, Iron Warriors still exist, if you like reading, read Storm of Iron, i think it's available digitaly on the BL website. Damn good book actually, but i digress.

The codex isn't bad, it's just bland, and if you're going for fluff heavy IW then you won't be AMAZINGLY competitive, but you do have a good excu
se to take Oblits which are the shit rules wise. Also i don't think Chaos SM will get changed anytime soon.
>>14359249
Yes, that is what I've been told, they just don't make enough money, they take time and space away from other systems that generate a lot more money. I don't agree we should remove them totally from the stores, but at the same time I wouldn;t want people taking up all my gaming tables playing specialist games. Retail is there to recruit and retain, and due to the nature of a specialist game it tends to not appeal to enough people.
>>14359265

I believe the Harpy is turning up in the summer flyer expansion and that a 2nd wave is due soon but not before November.

Have you thought about trying to promote to fix some of the marketing/research and other issues in the company?

>>14359405
I have to admit that I tend to be the kind of person who says, ooh well you could do this or say this so it fits better with the fluff as the background is what keeps me in the hobby, but of course it's your hobby in the end of the day and if you want hello kity marines, then okay.

Alright, it's getting fairly late, so anyone more last minute questions before I try and sleep

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>>14359419
by that do you mean promote changes to higher ups in the company to try and make things better?

Are there any deep, dark, nasty skeletons lurking in the GW closet that you know of?

Do you play Magic the Gathering?
I think GW could learn ALLLOOTTTTT from how Wizards of the Coast runs things.
Don't gimme that "NOOOO, ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME KINDA GAME" crap. Wizards runs Magic better than another other /tg/ game.

>>14359462
Nothing massive no, i was once told about a store that hired this regular who was great with the younger regulars, who even babysat a few of them (before he started to work for gw that is, it's against company policy to hang out with people under the age of 18 that you met through working at the store). He was amazing, really great, had a wonderful way with the kids, filled out his criminal record background check and had to be fired as they discovered that the name he gave them was actually one of many alliases he had as he was a convicted sex offender.

Wank Stain, what is offical company policy on specialist games being played in store?

My local store is Bromley which also has a battle bunker, now what does head office say about me and my bro bowling on down to play Bloodbowl with our own board etc

I know the store manager might have an opinion but what is the top line from HQ ?

>>14359472
Used to play it

But sorry i hate it, too many constant releases, massive MASSIVE money sink, you're decks are constantly going out of date after like what 3 years or something. I have to ask what exactly do wizards do with magic that would improve gw? I'm not trying to be rude, i played many moons ago so I'm totally out of it when it comes to magic, perhaps things have changed.

>>14359472
except magic has the same problems with the simplification of their core rules

it's entirely possible to streamline something TOO much

>>14359514
>But sorry i hate it, too many constant releases, massive MASSIVE money sink, you're decks are constantly going out of date after like what 3 years or something. I have to ask what exactly do wizards do with magic that would improve gw? I'm not trying to be rude, i played many moons ago so I'm totally out of it when it comes to magic, perhaps things have changed.

Make a descent enough of a profit off it so they don't have to do retarded, desperate shit to stay afloat.

>>14359512
It's entirely up to him, official policy is that exactly with a heavy emphasis on trying to not let you play specialist games. If you want to play blood bowl down there, i'd suggest going in there and chatting to the manager and seeing if he would be up for you doing that. If you played it like you wanted to run a blood bowl tourny he might be more down for that as it's a free event he doesn't have to organise and hopefully people will spend some cash on taking part in it. But it would be a limited time thing, i doubt he'd let you come in whenever you want to play. But it doesn't hurt to ask.

>>14359514
Do you think that there is a chance that specialist games might get featured in limited releases like space hulk did recently?

>>14359415
>>14359279

I guess I'll just have to suck it up then and start playing with the new codex rules, thanks for the answers guys.

What made WH40K popular in the first place? It started as joke as far as I know...

>>14359527
But they do so by almost constantly releasing card sets that almost everyone has to buy in order to stay competitive...might work but I'm fairly sure GW telling everyone with an army older than 3 years that they can't use it anymore and that they have to have at least some GK in there army if they plan on winning ever might upset someone.

Sorry but you seem to have only the slightest grasp on how business works.

>>14359514
It has less to do with the game its self and more on how the company interacts with the players.
Mark Rosewater, Head Designer writes an article on their main page EVERY WEEK and reads most, if not all of the comments his articles get, on top of reading every email he gets. He even mentions note worthy emails in his articles.
They take data directly from their website polls and that has an impact on sets. Yes, they do put out ALOT of cards, but the rules are more/less unchanged since Alpha/Beta i.e, the cards never really get outdated if you want to play with them.

The most popular format is the last 2 year worth of cards, so yeah I see what you are saying, but older cards like the Power 9 keep going up and up in price because the demand is so high.

Also, the players know what is coming out very clearly almost a whole year before it comes out. (in most cases)

>>14359545

I'm not wank stain although i've found these threads highly interesting. All I say is keep your eyes peeled this summer and save up about £60.

>>14359569

>>14359545
There is talk of perhaps a warhammer quest release or blood bowl release in September
>>14359562
Nope, definatly didn't start as a joke, it did start of with a lot less grim dark and more joky pop culture references.

Obviously this is just personal opinion, but i think it's success is that the setting is totall unique, there really isn't anything out there as far as I know like. Nothing as big, as epic, as realistic (everything is corrupt, the imperium is run by dictators who are blinded by religious dogma, cough right wing america cough). Also no matter what you say, there is something fucking sweet as hell as Space Marines, can't put my finger on it, but it just connects with lots of people

>>14359584
cryptic

What's the deal with White Dwarf? Why has it gotten so shit recently, the entire thing is pretty much a massive ad for whatever is coming out that month.

>>14359569
Yeah, you see apart from the getting involved with the community (which i would LOVE to see done) the rest either doesn't apply with gw and or wouldn't make a difference.

Sorry i could spend ages explaining all that, but i don't care enough to. I don't mean that offensively but it's late and 95% any online discussion fails to change either person's opinion. So agree to disagree.

>>14359595
Well, there was that Swedish wargame called Warzone and Battletech.

>>14359592
Yes, some of the more powerful cards can cost more, but its not hard at all to get 2 balanced decks together if you share cards with your friends.
You can't just slam down The Power and a stack of duel lands and say I WIN, and even if you tried such a thing vs a player with a crapy deck you suck.

>>14359564
>But they do so by almost constantly releasing card sets that almost everyone has to buy in order to stay competitive...might work but I'm fairly sure GW telling everyone with an army older than 3 years that they can't use it anymore and that they have to have at least some GK in there army if they plan on winning ever might upset someone.

>Sorry but you seem to have only the slightest grasp on how business works.

Oh really? So how come MTG has been so profitable throughout the years? I would have thought that was a business reality. Now of course, am I being too naive when I think that if GW got its shit together in the profit department, they might actually LOWER the price on all their toy army men in order to attract MORE customers? Or am I just displaying only a slight grasp on how business works?

>>14359618
White dwarf is a dissapointment, oddly around a year ago, white dwarf had been pretty damn good and had been for a good year or so, but now it's slumped back again.

I met up with the woman who heads the WD team back in June at the conference along with everyone else mind you, and she gave this very passionate talk about WD and getting back to the good old days, making it a collectors item as well as a hobby tool etc. Really got me excited actually about it, and then...nothing, just another slow decline.

Disappointing, perhaps it's just that they don't know what they want from it, though i do have to say the GW website DOES have a lot of cool stuff on it article wise and although yes it tries to sell to you I've found some cool ass shit on there. Much better than the stuff in WD this past 8 months or so

>>14359618
the loss of key writers

the loss of experimental rules

the loss of DIY conversion ideas

the loss of community involvment in WD killed it.

>>14359638
Correct me if I'm wrong but GW stuff is so expensive because they have to pay for all the stores and staff
they have.

>>14359622
I just wanted to stress the "involved with the community=good" bit and you agree so thats fine with me.

>>14359638
Yes wizards being successful directly relates to your understanding of how business works dick face.

Christ, you've said nothing inciteful, given no indication on how or why these things would work or in fact identified the key reasons behind the success of Magic cunt biscuit.

I tried to be nice, and simply end things with agree to disagree, but no go get all internet hard man. Tsk tsk

balls now you've been understanding and I've been a cunt, Okay can we just leave this now?

>>14359595
>(everything is corrupt, the imperium is run by dictators who are blinded by religious dogma, cough right wing america cough)

Without derailing the good discussion we're having on all things GW related: That's just a stereotype, perpetuated by everybody who doesn't like anything conservative, including Americans themselves.

I think you'd be slightly offended if I said 40k orks are a good metaphor for British people because they all have bad teeth.

>>14359660
Also plastic molds cost a bomb, the baneblade cost half a million to make

>>14359693
I always thought it was because we're all mainly football hooligans...

Seriously though, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily, they'd be at peace in the Imperium

>>14359691
Sorry W.S. but you have been forgetting that not every post by Anonymous is the same person. I was the one who brought up MTG and how the core people interact with the players. The posts about "HUR DUR, BUY MORE CARDS CAUSE YOU NEEDS MORE CARDS IS GOOD PROFITS" is another anon.

>>14359658
I just wish white dwarf had some more stories, fluff or comics, like the old inferno magazines. just mix a bit into the books, would be a lot of fun.

What do you think of other competing war games like Infinity, Flames of War, and especially War Machine/Hordes?

>>14359722
hahaha fair enough, yes i do forget that, it did seem like either it was two people or one person with major mood swings :P

>>14359700
wow i did not know that, hmm pricy.

What is GW's attitude toward Key Timers? Is it 'fire and forget? They do seem to burn through part-timers a lot where I am.

Do you know what happened with the Arndale store in Manchester? The staff seemed mostly full of very pushy children who would try and sell you £££ worth of stuff before you even got through the door.

>>14356477
Sarah Cawkwell. Lovely in real life, just don't call her Cawky.

>>14359715
>Seriously though, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reily, they'd be at peace in the Imperium

Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly are all of two individual right-wing celebrities. They might represent a lot of opinion but not the whole darn country. There's people like Michael Moore, too.

>>14359715
But the vast majority of us are not mental patients.

As a country, we are more conservative than Europe, but that is because of our style of government and the split between us round about 200 years ago. Also, we were settled by puritans. The people that left Euroland because yall were just too into fisting and shit porn.

Seriously though, its just a slight difference in culture, most of us don't live in the south. And frankly most of us don't like our government, regardless of which party is in power.

The European stereotype of Americans is just wrong. More of you should live here for a few years and then move back to really understand the differences.

>>14359742
>>14359700
Yes I heard the plastic kits cost about over nine thousand to create.
The metal ones are very, very, very basic.
They use to make some of them here in Maryland.
For the metal ones, its just 2 rubber disks with the top and bottom half of the mold that fills the mini with molten pewter.
I think the method to creating plastic minis is a company secret sort of.

WS, got any good stories to tell about the management?

Also, as you're quitting in 4 weeks, any chance you could wait till June/July (so you don't get in trouble) and do us a leak of the release schedule?

>>14359753

Firstly, they're ultra right wing. They're about as right wing as you can get without being openly fascist.

But as long as we can agree they're not Conservatives, that's cool

Ehy does WH40K sucks so much? I mean you do all the phases of your turn and then you just scratch your ass or pick your nose while watching the other guy do his turn, killing your dudes.

>>14359727
God inferno and warhammer monthly, man those were great, why in god's name did i never bother collecting those :(
>>14359730
Personally my interest in 40k whfb comes from a mixture of nostalgia (it was what me and my father bonded over) and my love of the background, so I'm not really interested in other game systems because of that. I have a good group of mates who are more interested and from what Ive seen of infinity and secrets of the theird reich as well as flames of war all look interesting and pretty damn cool.

For some reason PP doesn't do it for me, perhaps because the first people i met who did it where twats or perhaps its due to the billions of threads made my moronic people saying GW IS GOING BANKRUPT LETS ALL PLAY HORDES. But yeah, models look pretty cool, but nope nothing.

Mantic...hate them, models firstly are crap, sorry i think they're really bad, and the people that run them are all ex gw so not only are they exactly as bad as those that still work at gw but they have a total martyr syndrome.

But, saying all that, none of the models hold a candle to the stuff GW makes. Now if you've read what I've said in this rather long thread, you'll probably notice I'm not a gw fanboy, so please don't scream at me when i say this.

GW makes the best miniatures in the world, hands down, nothing comes close. Yes thats because we're older, got more money, more experience, but our models still kick everything elses ass.

My opinion anyway.

>>14359813
>>14359759
>>14359753
I have family in the US, i understand, it was a joke i know that not all republicans are Glenn Beck.

Wow from GW to politics in less than 10 seconds, got to remember to not make comments like that when people can't see facial expressions and or tone of voice

>>14359812
Well, no I'm fairly damn committed to quiting, have a feeling the wife won't quit understand that some random person on the internet wants me to not quit to find out release information.

But, what i am going to do, seeing as how fun this was, I'm going to wring out as much information as i can out of the people i know when i get back from holiday and then come back and do another one of these. Can' exactly give you a time estimate though, sorry

Well seeing as there doesn't seem to be anymore questions and seeing as how i continued to respond way past the point i had planned on actually going to sleep, I'll call it a night.

It was fun, like i said will do this again at some point soon after i get back from holiday and perhaps I'll actually know a bit more.

So good night and i hope this was interesting for you all

How much later are you planning on staying up for the thread?

Do you think the popularity of SPESSH MARREEENIEESSS, is a product of their own "awesome", or because they are "the center point of the 40k universe"?
From an outsider, it seems like 40k is nothing BUT SM, so its to be expected its the most popular.... by far.....

>>14359924
Oh well, I will try and remember the question for the next thread.

I've a question mister Stain -

Eldar. Will they become the punching bags of the universe because the other factions would look worthless otherwise, or will they get snuffed out, or will they be actually improved upon?

Which army do you hate the most 40k wise

Ladies and Gentleman, Mr Wank Stains has left the building

You've already sort of mentioned this, but what sort of changes are the Necrons going to get specifically, if you know at all? 5e Necrons seem to be going to the "it's about Necrons, not the C'Tan" route. It's been suggested too that they're making new models for the C'Tan that'll be in Apoc and the old ones will be the transformation option the Lords get.

Overall, seems like they're pushing to give players more roleplaying options and fixing some of the fluff to not be so C'Tan-centric. Probably won't see any boob robots like you see in fanart, but you know.

Hey Wank Stain been reading the thread nice information.

When is someone going to gut cs goto with a salad fork like he deserves for all his serious fetish wankery in the books he writes?

Also What the hell is it with people writing codices that makes them decide that they HAVE to have the latest flavor of the month codex "fluff" have some jerkwad or other all of a sudden wreck an Avatar in close combat or army destroy an Eldar craftworld?

This is getting old seeing the Eldar being the whipping boys of whatever new army is coming out.

>>14360004
Well fuck I missed seeing him bail. Oh well.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14356393/
I took the liberty of archiving this. The last time I tagged was a year ago, so I'm sorry if the tags are off.

>suffering sicled

Sounds grimdark to me, captcha.