Man, that OP was the sorriest sourpuss I've seen in a long time.

Not you, though, OP.

Gendo in AdEva

Impact Survivor with traits: Just Try Me and Loss

Operations Director of course

>>14576764
But the OD is Misato's role.

Kenshiro, Jagi, Raoh, and Toki are the pilots

only one will be chosen as successor of Hokuto Shinkengelion

>>14576776
Gendo does whatever the fuck Gendo wants.

>>14576776

We're statting him so he has to have a class, also he took command at least twice.

I'm thinking for Assets we give him Driven, and Fearless with Drawbacks Dark Secret and Fanatical.

So, I'm a bit late to the party and all, but ... Ad Eva? I admit I do not understand.

As in Evangellion but in 40k? Why? That show was tedious as shit and pretty much every main character needed to be punched in the mouth.

>>14576814

Also we should forego every other stat except for Fellowship

OP from the last thread here.

Sorry. Have some IRL things going on here too and wanted advice for happier times in the future.
I feel like an ass and should have accepted the threadjack.
I was in an AdEva game for a long time, but was kicked for not showing up for games.
Wasn't my fault I was in a car accident and my girlfriend refused to go on IRC and inform people that I was in the hospital for weeks, nearly in a coma. And I'm too ashamed to show my own face (ha) there because I've missed games before and it looks like just another excuse
I wonder what they did with Val...

>>14576807
Can't argue with that.

>>14576814
If you want it to make sense, you have to invent a class. As far as I know, no version of AdEva has a playable Commander.

>>14576824

JUST LIKE THE SHOW

>>14576832

AdEva is Evangelion using DH rules. An original /tg/ production, though most of the dev. team have moved off to their own IRC channel now.

You don't have to play the characters from the show in fact you can play it more like TTGL, but RP elements are more than just encouraged. If you don't like it kindly move along

>>14576832
Nah, its as Evangelion, but in Evangelion. With different characters.

Also has 40,000 more ways to be tanged than in the series.

>>14576824

To be fair, that happens a lot in official Evangelion spin-offs as well.

>>14576832
>As in Evangellion but in 40k?

No. It's an Evangelion game based on Dark Heresy's rules.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Evangelion

If it doesn't appeal to you, nobody's forcing you to play it. Since the GM is free to make whatever kind of game he wants, it can be very different from the show.

>>14576868
This is true. Most games split combat and RP roughtly down the middle, but I've seen games that have combat only once every 5-6 sessions or so.
And it's FUN to be a fucked-up teenager when you look in on it from the outside.

>>14576739

Visual or character? I've got plenty of each.

>>14576832

Because some people want to play a game where you're an indoctrinated child soldier floating in a tank full of psychoactive amniotic fluid stolen from a god's wounds rammed into the back of an undead cyborg with the soul of someone close to you trapped inside it and going steadily more insane while fighting nigh-unkillable abominations who alter local physics simply by existing and who are trying to revive a god that sees humanity in the same way you see termites on your foundations.

>>14576824

As logn as everybody ends up disappointed or brutally slaughtered, this is entirely within the scope of the game. In fact, I think most of the really good games end up more character interaction and political machinations than actual combat. The game's pretty much the anti-D&D.

>>14576876

sshhhhh we don't speak of those.

Except ReTake, which was oddly good for a doujin, yet far from official

>>14576868
I see.
Yeah, I guess I just don't see the appeal. It feels a bit like 'check out my rockin' fanfiction': the game.

>If you don't like it kindly move along
Think I'll be doing exactly that. You good folks enjoy yourselves.

Always wanted to try this as an Operations Director, but I get the feeling that his using particular brand of leadership on a bunch of mentally disturbed teenagers, with at least one of them likely have some pathological need for approval would go about as well as a drum kit full of Nitroglycerin

>>14576876
>>14576894
See, you guys can say that now, but mind you my group is composed of hambeasts, all male. And they were RPing heterosexual romances with each other.

>>14576781
>only read Toki
>filled in Murderface, Nathan Explosion and Skwisgaar Skwigelf.


And then maybe Dr Rockzo could be an angel?

>>14576907

I don't see the problem, sounds like a typical AdEva game to me.

>>14576907

None of the OD abilities express exactly what brand of leadership they're using. Even the ones that imply it are completely within your scope to reimagine. You just have to be prepared for the in-fluff consequences of each. That said, nicey-nice can easily go as bad or worse that huge douche, so don't worry on that score.

>>14576907
Damn you captcha!

>>14576931
>>14576928
Yeah pic in later post explains what I was talking about

I mentioned this idea in an earlier thread, but:

In a post Angel world still struggling to recover from the Second Impact and the War with Heaven humanity's greatest weapons the Evangelions have been lost to the UN.

Some were stolen by terrorists and extremists, others are controlled by rogue nations that once aided in their creation, or just up and left alongside their world weary pilots. In secret remote areas attempts at replicating the Eva project using corrupted and incomplete data have let loose Evangelions in their feral state, and in other places the spawn of the Angels themselves still survive to wreak havoc.

With the UNs few remaining Eva units held back as a defensive measure against possible Eva attacks there is only one group that can contain the threats that are the Eva series. They are The Pilots of Steel.

Cry havoc, and let slip the mechs of war.

So yeah, TridenT pilots vs rogue/feral/traitorous Evangelions after the Angels and SEELE have been defeated.

>>14576915
Sounds like the average anime-inspired game. Minus the "heterosexual" part.

>>14576931

Oh HIM!

That could turn out amazing. ESPECIALLY with damaged children in an AdEva game. You can have some of them break down into tears during practice and shit. OOoooo the times you can have

>>14576906
If you consider this rockin' fanfic, I hope you don't play games like D&D (Tolkien/Lankhmar/etc. fanfic), VtM (Interview with the Vampire/Necroscope fanfic), Dark Heresy (Requiem for a Dream fanfic), etc.

>>14576941

Sounds like awesome fun.

Personally though I just can't see AdEva working without impending doom. Just my own tastes and how I run it though

Hey, I'm the guy from the last thread with the Space-Opera Ad:Eva game.


I altered some of the space combat rules, Berzerking, weapon upgrade distribution, Time Management, and modified the AT Technician career to have two paths, then set it in a universe half inspired by Xenosaga and half by Rogue Trader, and am pretty much letting my players run wild.

For those who didn't catch it before, I have:

An average everyday kinda girl from a modern-tech level planet who gets thrust into the cockpit before she even knows what she's doing. A "Black Mage" style ATT.

A woobie manufactured girl who was rejected from an espionage program after it became apparent she lacked the emotional fortitude for the job. Was about to be recycled until they found out she could synch with an Eva and she was sold to Nerv. Her only friend in the world is a sour-faced, walleyed goldfish modeled off of Mr. Fish from The Punchline is Machismo. A "White Mage" with some homebrewed healing and support AT powers.

A spoiled rotten rich girl trained from birth to pilot Evangelions. Carries a cavalry sabre, and presumably a chip on her shoulder. Melee Skirmisher Master Race.

A former captain of a sublight trading ship who, in a tax-dodge scheme gone wrong, froze himself for way longer than the cryo stasis was supposed to work. Rebuild with cybernetics and old automobile parts, he now pilots a giant mass of guns, with an Eva, presumably, buried somewhere inside it.

An OD based on Hedonism Bot.

>>14576941
>Some were stolen by terrorists and extremists

Must have been some pretty serious extremists, if they managed to acquire EVA carriers, bypass all those ludicrous security measures, and actually load the Evangelions onto them and leave without being horribly maimed or killed in various ways.

>>14576966

Sounds like some good times. Care to post your homebrew rules?

>>14576941

You'd have problems there. Mainly the part where it's a multi-billion-dollar investment yearly to keep an EVA running, AFTER you've spent some thirty billion dollars on the basic minimal infrastructure. Also, the EVAs are unreliable enough at the best of times, which makes them really, really hard to steal.

That said, you might really like one of the expansion books that'll come out after Master Edition. It's World War Evangelion, and it covers what happens after the Adam situation is resolved. With the Evangelions basically having the most useful characteristics of both conventional forces and WMDs, the four major powers of the world end up in a Cold War scenario, except everyone has mystical supertech and their own style to how they fight. It has a lot more scope for actual military operations using Evangelions, and a much wider range of pilotable gear that isn't EVAs.

>>14576966
>An OD based on Hedonism Bot.

Oh god

>>14576993

He's fat, unabashedly omnisexual, addicted to every substance that future-mankind can produce, and went to great expenses to deck out the huge dreadnought that comprises Nerv's mobile headquarters with unbelievable luxuries. I'm talking solid gold chandeliers the size of football fields and mansion-sized living quarters for the pilots, complete with hot tubs and a small wildlife park.

He enjoys acting as creepy as possible while forcing the Bridge Bunnies to fan him with palm leaves and drizzle him with syrup.

>>14576966

Oh, if you're after ship combat, construction, snd operation rules, I have a lot of handy stuff from the draft of Hunt for Adam, which will involve a flying supership ranging from the size of a battleship to the size of the Hong Kong CBD. A warning, though - I wrote this before Rogue Trader even existed, so it will probably be really weird to use, and I also am no good at balancing costs out.

>>14576985

Sure. Keep in mind, these aren't actually complete yet. We begin play in a couple of weeks.


Altered rules for Adeptus Evangelion: Ad Astra are as follows:


Berserker's "Chance to Berserk" talents become additional berserk conditions. If a condition comes up you choose to berserk or not. There is no "Attack Allies" chance.


AT Technicians may purchase AT powers for 100 exp rather than 200, and directly add their willpower bonus to any successful attacks using AT powers.


Weapon Upgrade Points (WUP’s) may be shared freely between players, and the WUP cost of any weapon is completely refunded upon it’s recycling.


Attempting a Time Management activity results in one success toward your total. Success is worth another point.


Any changes not directly stated are assumed to follow V2's rules until it is stated otherwise.

>I'm talking solid gold chandeliers the size of football fields

Wait, what? Isn't that several steps of ridiculousness beyond anything else in evangelion? Is there even that much gold?!

>>14577024
Lay it on me man, I'd love some input for that.
Additional rules I've written up:

Letter-type equipment has been completely revamped. A-type equipment is now the default that every Eva comes with. It's designed for operation in space, where most Angels have been found. B-type is your standard everyday run-around-on-the-ground type thing, C-type is for water worlds, gas giants, and other fluid atmospheres, D-type for Venusian pressure-cookers, and E-type is for hyperspace combat.

>>14577042
In space there is.

I'm playing in an AdEva game, and it feels like most of the other players are going to be hotblooded pilots. Hell, three of the PCs are based off the main cast of Megas XLR.

Shit is going to hit the fan, and when it does, it is going to be great.

>>14577073
Ohhh.

Spess. The final frontier.

>>14577042
I'm exaggerating. But the ship is ridiculously opulently decorated in all but the most strategically important places.

And Nerv is ridiculously well financed. It's basically one ship plus four Evangelions, financed with the collective budget of a major spaceflight capable planetary civilization.

I based that on Xenosaga's propensity to have ridiculously powerful corporations in charge of everything.

>>14577078
>Ad Eva

>Megas XLR


You are awesome.

>>14577072

Actually, just thought about this, and I'll have to send it to an address or something. BMJ's been getting strict about do not distribute stuff, because shit kept leakign everywhere and peopel got upset when things in playtesting were pulled, delayed, or changed.

I'll send you the basic draft of stuff for Hunt for Adam. Some 33,000 words, written in the space of two days, because I was avoiding drafting a twelvew thousand word thesis. If I was as good at actual work as I was at procrastinating, I'd own half the southern hemisphere by now.

>>14577117
If you've got IRC, just come to #AdEvaBoston and you can give it to me there if you prefer. I'd prefer to keep my email to myself, at least here.

irc.rizon.net of course.

Space-Eva guy here.

I was actually really intrigued by the concepts the guys who made Ad:Eva had for future expansions, and I just couldn't wait for rules to be released for them.

So, in my infinite arrogance, I decided to try out a space campaign, and maybe use my experiences to give some advice for when they get around to making rules for games like this.

>>14577145

It's up. Some gaps in mechanics where I went to edit later and forgot what I was doing, but the ship-specific stuff should be all there.

>>14577145

Just make a throwaway webmail account that you only use for /tg/ purposes. If it gets spammed up, no big loss.

>>14577180

Are you on the devcrew for... I forgot what it's called, but the one that's AdEva in space? It's on the schedule for after Rewrite, so there's years to go, but it'll help both of you out.

>>14577183
Grazie. Always glad for some material to inspire me.

Anyone care for some extra details about Ad:Eva IN SPAAAAAACE or shall I shut up and let others talk?

>>14577107

I had nothing to do with it. While they're going for a Megas XLR thing, I'm to try and play a character kind of like pic related.

>>14577203
I am not on any devcrew of any kind, and I'm not sure if I trust myself to write rules well enough to volunteer.

I'd be glad to offer advice from experience to anyone who is though. Maybe by the time it's ready, I will be too.

>>14577210
Remember, wherever there's a hole.

I expect you to do your duty as a man.

>>14577223

I know for a fact that I can't write rules at all. I just don't do balance right. But I still do a lot of things for people, and half of it is because I can actually produce the original base for everything to work on. Producing the base material is often the most time-consuming part, but it makes everything else actually work. If you can produce starting point's you're already contributing enormously.

>>14577251
I'll give it a try. After this game is finished, I'll try getting in contact with the dev team.

I hear no one speaking up, so I'll go ahead and throw out a few ideas I had.

Extra weapon hardmounts: Second Branch has an optional upgrade where your Evangelion can get extra "Wings" on each forearm. I like the idea, but felt it didn't go far enough. Now you can buy one for each limb and two from your back.

Multi-weapons: A Maser rifle which, for a half action, you can change the trait from Reliable to either Accurate or Scatter.

No positron tech. Positron weapons were incredibly silly and overpowered. Players can make do with plasma to fill the "High damage and penetration; low ammo capacity" niche.

Manufactured are common as underclass-laborers, tailor made for certain roles and occupying a position in society somewhere between people and property.

A new background, the "Reclaimed."

Flash-frozen sea captain is one of these. Based them on Ziggy from Xenosaga.


Enhanced Deployment Options: Drop pods. Evangelion-scale drop pods everywhere.

>>14577328

How do ranged people deal with angels then? No positron means no way for ranged specialists to hurt an angel 90% of the time.

>>14577328
Don't even need drop-pods most of the time. Eva-gliders, Eva-parachutes... drop them into water... give them a jetpack, even. So many ways to drop an Eva already, even from orbit.

>>14577411
The same way everyone else deals with them. Wait for the melee people to Neutralize the AT field and attack them.


My problem with Positron is that I just don't understand the fluff justification. WHY would positrons pierce AT fields? The AT filed is the ABSOLUTE territory through which nothing unallowed may pass. Except anti-electrons apparently, because they're just jerks.

>>14577561

Anti-electrons go wherever the hell they please.

They don't need to take your shit.

>>14577561
I should say that later on in the game, the players are going to get some more powerful, esoteric weapons that are unavailable in the Ad:Eva core game that will give Ranged Skirmishers more of an advantage.

These will have to be found by exploration and various other Side-questin', a'la Rogue Trader.

>>14577561

It's not some magic antielectron thing, it passes through via sheer force. AT fields can be penetrated with enough force.

>>14577653
Then why don't railgun projectiles pass through?

Why use the positron, one of the most expensive, and dangerous particles to use in such a manner?

If simple energy is enough, just accelerate protons at them. Far easier and simpler, and protons are EVERYWHERE.

>>14577701

Because you can't fire a railgun projectile with the equivalent of the entire power output of Japan.

Nukes work too. Angels are just tough critters.

Though hell if I know how Eva's magic antimatter beams work.

>>14577759
>you can't fire a railgun projectile with the equivalent of the entire power output of Japan.


Yes, you can. Energy is energy is energy. It doesn't matter how it is introduced into a system, only how quickly. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason a society that can focus 180 Gigawatts through a particle cannon could not do the same through a rail gun.

>Nukes work too.

No, they don't. N2 mines can injure the weakest angels, but they can't kill them. Only Evangelions, and for SOME GODDAMN REASON, positrons, can kill an Angel.

>>14577772
There is an old maxim that, slightly modified, applies here quite well:
It's an AT field, I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>14577772

Because Railguns have more mechanical components with more means of failure, and when you get up to the ALL MY WATTS level of power, having any moving parts at all is risky. A positron weapon is, excepting the mechanism that rotates out the fuse each shot, completely solid-state.

Also, antiparticles work somewhat differently in the EVA world. Don't know why, or to what extent, but they do things that shouldn't be done with strict force.

So, /tg/ I'm trying to change my game up, as in no angels, but I am unsure of what mythology to change it to. Norse, Greek, Egyptian are all out, as my players all know at least a decent bit of all of them. Got any idea's?

>>14577792
No, I'm afraid that's not good enough. Either the AT field is an "Absolute Territory" or it is a magic sci fi space shield. I prefer the former interpretation.

Evangelion was not that good. I feel absolutely no obligation to conform to it's various idiotic ideas, and especially to ones originating from stupid plot device of the week episodes.

>>14577772
Any weapon with enough power to penetrate the AT Field and destroy the core can kill an Angel. Evangelions can neutralize AT Fields, which is the average Angel's primary defensive measure. That's one reason they're so useful.

>>14577807
By "no angels" you mean "use a different name for angels"?
Well, I dare say you have the choice between taking a mythology that your player are somewhat familiar with or using names that might as well be made up by you because they've never heard of them.

>>14577805
I'm sorry, but you don't know how Railguns work.

They lack moving parts of any kind. All that is required is a pair of rails through which current is passed and a conductive projectile.

>>14577807
Zoroastrian, Sumerian, Hindu, any of the dozens of Native American mythologies?

>>14577814
I'm afraid there is no way around the fact that the AT field does whatever the fuck the angel needs it to do. It's not like they work in ways our universe would allow them to.

>>14577807
Aztec.
Mayan.
Chinese.
Japanese.
Hindu.

>>14577805
Yeahno.

Any time you're fucking around with Antimatter, you are using a weapon that is the definition of unreliable. The containment system for the positrons themselves would have more moving parts than any railgun, and if any one of them failed, the gun goes off like Hiroshima.

>>14577823
The projectile is in contact with the rails. While it moves. Very fast.
That's not good for the rails. They don't like that.

>>14577839

So?

You don't need it to work more than once. This is not a high-durability weapon, it's something you use to kill Ramiel and then never use again.


That whole episode was pure bullshit. There are a hundred ways to kill Ramiel that don't involve highly advanced, extremely expensive, physically impossible particle-guns.

>>14577839
Fortunately, you shouldn't have to use the weapon more than once or twice. If all else fails, just switch out the rails.

>>14577831
It does whatever the Angel needs it to BECAUSE it is an "Absolute Territory" and not a "Magic Forcefield." that just blocks things getting in.

AT fields do not defend the angel by stopping incoming energy, they do it by denying that it even exists. AT fields are private little areas where you define the very laws of physics. They are places where you are god. The only way to defeat someone who has one is to take it away.


Or, you could go the canon Eva route and make them generic sci fi force fields.

>>14577835
aren't the containment systems for charged particles a charged field? made with coils, no moving required

>>14577845
Suggest a few that would not inflict horrendous collateral damage and could be accomplished before the drill reached NERV.

>>14577852
Use an N2 mine.

Use an N2 mine like an actual "Mine" and not a bomb.

Set up an N2 minefield.

Bury the Evangelion, tell the pilot to shut down their field, and wait for Ramiel to pass overhead, and then shank it in it's polyhedral nutsack.

Grab that cool space-shield that Rei used and just run at Ramiel with it, and when you're close enough, beat on it until it dies.

Just armor the fucking Evangelion in the space shield and have them fight normally.

Use a giant expensive cannon that fires a particle other than fucking positrons because positrons are the WORST choice for a particle to shoot at someone.

>>14577772

>Yes, you can. Energy is energy is energy. It doesn't matter how it is introduced into a system, only how quickly. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason a society that can focus 180 Gigawatts through a particle cannon could not do the same through a rail gun.

Nobody claimed a powerful enough railgun wouldn't work. You're the only one here who is saying that. I was saying that a railgun SHOULD work if its powerful enough.

Though, er, that's, kinda like saying a civilization which can build a nuke can build a gun which does the same thing.

There are lots of reasons why a railgun might not work with their techbase. Air resistance, for one. Building a gun which can take the recoil of, er, *calculates on tissue paper* shooting a 1500kg round at 16000 meters per second. They might be better at containing charged particles than taking the recoil. Who knows? Maybe they just had a positron rifle lying around and didn't have a railgun.

>No, they don't. N2 mines can injure the weakest angels, but they can't kill them. Only Evangelions, and for SOME GODDAMN REASON, positrons, can kill an Angel.

Meaning that they do work. They just don't use enough of them against the weaker angels because of political considerations.

The few times they DO use them properly the Angel just shrugs them off (LOOKING AT YOU ZERUEL)

>>14577834
>>14577828
Which one would you guys choose if you were GM'n, or which one do you think is more interesting?
>>14577821
Yea, basically, and you know, implied symbolism, story arcs, etc.

>>14577848
>The only way to defeat someone who has one is to take it away.

Congratulations. You've just made Angels and EVAs immune to everything that doesn't have its own AT Field. Up to and including things like multiple supernovas.

And that's retarded.

>>14577871

Chinese. Your Evas are the immortals. Your OD is the Monkey King.

>>14577868
I'm not saying a powerful enough railgun wouldn't work.


I'm saying it SHOULDN'T work.

That a mundane weapon built by mankind can harm the angels severely damages the threat they represent and completely undermines the system of metaphysics they worked so hard to come up with.

That episode was stupid and should not have happened the way it did. The giant fuck-off particle cannon should have failed and forced Shinji to take the Angel down the hard way, proving once and for all that the only way to beat the Angels is with an Evangelion.

>>14577865
>Use an N2 mine.
Didn't really work on Sachiel now, did it?
>Use an N2 mine like an actual "Mine" and not a bomb.
Yeah that's what they did with Sachi.
>Set up an N2 minefield.
Collateral damage. Anyway, wasn't the contingency plan a N2 carpet bombing or was that another episode?
>Bury the Evangelion, tell the pilot to shut down their field, and wait for Ramiel to pass overhead, and then shank it in it's polyhedral nutsack.
Ramiel hovers. Not gonna reach the core that way.
>Grab that cool space-shield that Rei used and just run at Ramiel with it, and when you're close enough, beat on it until it dies.
See above.
>Just armor the fucking Evangelion in the space shield and have them fight normally.
See above. Plus, armor doesn't work that way.
>Use a giant expensive cannon that fires a particle other than fucking positrons because positrons are the WORST choice for a particle to shoot at someone.
See every other post in this clusterfuck. tl;dr: Should probably work, wouldn't because positrons are magic.

>>14577865
>Use an N2 mine.

Ramiel's AT Field is too strong to be breached by a single N2 Mine. Also, collateral damage.

>Use an N2 mine like an actual "Mine" and not a bomb.

No time to set it up. Also, Ramiel floats, and collateral damage.

>Set up an N2 minefield.

See above.

>Bury the Evangelion, tell the pilot to shut down their field, and wait for Ramiel to pass overhead, and then shank it in it's polyhedral nutsack.

No time.

>Grab that cool space-shield that Rei used and just run at Ramiel with it, and when you're close enough, beat on it until it dies.

The EVA would be destroyed before it reached Ramiel. Even if it did get there, Ramiel is airborne.

>Just armor the fucking Evangelion in the space shield and have them fight normally.

No time.

>Use a giant expensive cannon that fires a particle other than fucking positrons because positrons are the WORST choice for a particle to shoot at someone.

That would probably work, if they had one. But they don't, and there is no time to get one.

>>14577865

The space shield that melted in half a minute when Ramiel shot at it. Burying the Eva and waiting for Ramiel to come to you when Ramiel can fly and isn't moving from its position anyway.

No, that's stupid.

I wish more funding had been put into the various robots. Those, with positron weapons, would have messed up some angels. But NERV didn't want anyone else to have a chance.

>>14577873
No, it isn't.

Either your Angels are protected by the Light of their Soul, the material expression of their inner self, the enforcement of their own reality upon the universe... or they are protected by star trek deflector shields.

Which sounds more interesting to you?

>>14577878
Hmm, I think I can give that a shot, as it fits into (From what little I know of Chinese Mythology) some basic idea's I have.

>>14577889
>>14577891

You are both reinforcing my point, which is that the weapons of mankind should have absolutely no effect on the Angels, and that killing Ramiel with one totally destroyed anything interesting about the Angels and just made them into Kaiju.


Oh, and Ramiel hovers? Gee, wonder why no one thought to maybe make an Evangelion who could engage with a hovering enemy?

Because they KNOW ANGELS CAN FUCKING HOVER.

>>14577896

The second, because it sounds less retarded.

>>14577896

Perhaps is actually takes willpower to resist things entering your Absolute Territory, you must outwillpower what physics says will happen. It's why Evas are weaker there than angels most of the time and why a sufficiantly powerful weapon would be harder to resist.

>>14577888
It was established, in the very first episode, that AT Fields are not what you so desperately want them to be. Sachiel's field was penetrated by a single N2 Mine. There were no other AT Fields involved. Just conventional weapons.

This does not mean all Angels are vulnerable to non-AT attacks, though. Leliel, for example, could only have been defeated with the aid of AT Fields, due to its unique nature.

>>14577896
-OR-
They are protected by ctrl-v the Light of their Soul, the material expression of their inner self, the enforcement of their own reality upon the universe TO A LIMITED EXTENT. There, problem fucking solved. Plus they have a positron allergy.

>>14577910

Which is to say, they are basically scifi MAGIC FIELDS which can turn shit into antimatter or change universal constants or something. Like the Culture has.

>>14577807
Try going with my WW2 Eva idea. I'm writing up an alpha PDF for it currently, looking for contributions.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14374328/

>>14577911
>>14577916

Indeed. Perhaps thier power is THEORETICLY absolute but it would take infinite willpower to it to truely be such.

>>14577916
Makes no sense. By the definition of the absolute-territory field, it's only limit is what the one generating it can think to do.

Unless Angels are just retarded and don't know anti matter exists, there is no reason they shouldn't be able to resist it.

>>14577896
That's a false dichotomy. They can have their Light of the Soul while still being at least slightly vulnerable to physical phenomena.

>>14577908
Making something of the Evangelion's size float or fly is an immense technological challenge. It is at least possible to use an EVA carrier to effect an air attack. In the battle against Ramiel, though, the carrier would just be destroyed by the defensive beam.

>>14577912
Goddammit, 4chan, quit eating my posts.


As I TRIED to say, I don't give a shit what canon Eva thinks. It wasn't a very good show, and what few good ideas it had, it wasted.

>>14577930
By the definition of the field, my friend, it does exactly what it does in the source material that spawned it. And guess what that material was?

>>14577930
You're not using the canon definition. It's no surprise that canon doesn't agree with what you're saying.

That's fine, though. Obviously you have your own ideas. And that's what this thread's about.

>>14577896
Maybe energy as known in our world is some kind of LotS? Just like energy and matter. Unified in some specific conditions.

Then energy can harm your AT-field. You can kill angel by forcing law of our universe into them via energy.

>>14577934
Or he could have just bought the Float power and been done with it.


Or used A-type equipment.

>>14577930

Fffff you're just making shit up now, a dozen posts have told you why you can just overpower AT fields with physical force, you just can't seem to get over the whole LOL ANTIMATTER thing even though that whole episode was less ANTIMATTER ANTIMATTER and more ENTIRE ELECTRICAL OUTPUT OF JAPAN (which incidentally they never bothered to quantify so for all you know it could have been a fucking terawatt cannon)

IT WAS JUST A WORD THEY USED TO EXPLAIN THEIR MAGIC LASER OKAY

OBVIOUSLY NORMAL MATTER WORKS BECAUSE OTHERWISE N2 MINES WOULD HAVE LIKE NO EFFECT

WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THIS

>>14577936
Canon NGE is the source for all of this. If you want to have your own, different conception of an AT Field, that's fine. But don't then try to stuff that back into canon and say what they're doing is stupid. Because it's blatantly obvious it doesn't work that way in the show.

Not sure if this is related to the discussion but i noticed a natural progression in the technology seen in Evangelion by both humans and the angels.
Theres realife technology (present)near future technology,advanced futuristic technology, Quantum science technology and finally technology that is like magic and divine power.

The angels seem to utilise advanced futuristic,Quantum and above technology.

So its like a spectrum of technology levels in a similar way to the Kardashev scale

>>14577942
Does anyone here actually like Evangelion?

If you don't, then why would you feel obligated to give a shit what it says?

Just do what I do and take the good ideas from Evangelion and abandon the rest of the tangled freudian mess.

Why are my bullshit ideas less legitimate than Hideaki Ano's?

At least mine are slightly original, and don't require you to suspend your disbelief that given a choice between enormous alien cyborgs piloted by children and a lot of big fuck-off particle guns, the governments of the world choose to use the former.

>>14577871
Personally I'd go with Chinese, due to a preexisting familiarity with Chinese mythology, legend, and history.

>>14577947
Sure, if they were playing AdEva, or if A-Type had been available.

>>14577865
>Positron makes for shitty particle weapons

If the positrons are really high energy the conservation of momentum would force most of the products of the inevitable annihilation toward your target.
Which would be more effective than a neutrino beam

>>14577961
Because they didn't just focus the entire power output of japan into a giant laser or something.

They INSISTED that it was positrons.

And that makes no fucking sense, and should never have been brought over to Adeptus: Evangelion.

>>14577961
>WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT THIS
He has Asperger's.

>>14577980

Anything would be more effective than a neutrino beam.

You know what would have been more effective than a positron beam?

A proton beam.


You know how expensive positrons are?


Me either. But I know the answer is "A fuck of a lot less expensive than protons."

>>14577975
You're the one who said this, right?

>My problem with Positron is that I just don't understand the fluff justification. WHY would positrons pierce AT fields? The AT filed is the ABSOLUTE territory through which nothing unallowed may pass. Except anti-electrons apparently, because they're just jerks.

Why do you care what the fluff says?

>>14577983
Aspergers is another word for "Cannot accept stupid bullshit"?


Man, more people need to get Aspergers.

>>14577994
I don't.

So I don't use positron weapons in my games.

>>14577975
You seem to be bordering on pic related levels of mad.

>>14577981
>And that makes no fucking sense

Like so many other things in NGE.

>and should never have been brought over to Adeptus: Evangelion.

That's great. You're free to think that. But what do you think whining about it here is going to accomplish?

>>14578002

And thus ranged weapons in your game have no purpose as they still need the melee people to take down the AT field. They would be better off rolling another melee person.

Wow. Okay


PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE THE POSITRON THING:
FEEL FREE TO GO WITH THE "GOD IN A BUBBLE" AT FIELD EXPLANATION, EXPECT YOUR RANGED PLAYERS TO BE SOMEWHAT MIFFED BECAUSE THEY ARE USELESS WITHOUT MELEE SUPPORT

ALL OTHERS:
CARRY ON AS NORMAL

Can we please stop this shit now?

>>14577996
THE ENTIRE SETTING IS STUPID BULLSHIT

>>14578010
Apparently not much.

It just frightens me how willing people are to accept boring bullshit instead of coming up with something entertaining and interesting.

>>14577981

THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE THE EVA GUYS ARE BIG ENOUGH SCIFI GEEKS TO KNOW REAL LASERS DON'T WORK LIKE SCIFI LAZORS

THE POINT OF THE POSITRON SHIT WAS LESS ABOUT AT FIELD BULLSHIT AND MORE ABOUT LOL SHINJI YOUR BEAM WON'T FLY STRAIGHT IT'LL LIKE BOUNCE OFF RAMIEL'S BEAM LIKE A RETARD

WE ARE ALL GEEKS HERE WE KNOW POSITRONS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT

NOW STOP MAKING SHIT UP

>>14577996
Yes, people should eat more Aspergers, especially if they're made into soup. Tasty and refreshing, especially in winter.

>>14578023
>Useless without melee support


You seem... upset.

Did everyone roll ranged skirmisher with you? Because, you know, every single other career has the ability to neutralize AT fields.

>>14578026
Just because it's boring to you does not mean nobody else likes it, or that everybody is obligated to see things your way. Your Mileage May Vary. People are different, people see things in different ways. I, for one, do not understand why you're so passionate about this particular subject.

You've said your piece. Maybe we can let this die now.

>>14578036
Forgive me, I wasn't saying that my interpretation was the only one that was legitimate.

I was saying that the one everyone else uses is the only one that ISN'T.

Pick literally anything else. I guarantee it will be more interesting than what canon eva used.

>>14577990
Protons are mad expensive in Japan.
More than positrons.
Thier economy is fucked

>>14578030

Not at range. They have to get into melee and there is a penalty for shooting into melee.

It also makes people playing with the 'Angels of Steel' option for mechs screwed as they lose thier sole way to hurt an angel without support.

>>14578026
>>whine about how positrons shouldn't be magic AT field penetrators
>>everyone tells you they aren't
>>whine about how force shouldn't be able to penetrate LIGHT OF THE SOUL
>>everyone tells you yes they can
>>say positrons are stupid
>>no one disagrees
>>repeat position about magic AT field penetrating positrons EVEN THOUGH WE WENT OVER THIS ALREADY
>>say everyone is inclined to love bullshit and diss interesting things

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME

>>14578042
Incredibly fucked it seems, since Positrons have to be painstakingly created and captured in enormous, expensive particle accelerators, whereas you can get protons by ionizing hydrogen, which is what the oceans are mostly made out of.

And japan is surrounded on all sides by the ocean.

>>14578041
Apartently /tg/ disagrees with you

>>14578041
>I was saying that the one everyone else uses is the only one that ISN'T.

And you can't see how that might come across as the height of faggotry?

Gendo is Ahmadinejad

>>14578047
They don't even have particle accelerators.
They just think protons are so special, it would be 'dishonourable' for them to sell them at anything but extortionate prices

>>14578049
A million opinionated neckbeards can't be wrong I guess.


Just... answer me this.

Why would you call it an AT field if it is completely indistinguishable from any number of generic sci fi energy shields?

Why would you go on and on about the complicated metaphysics of AT fields... when they are in actually just shields that can be overcome with sufficient force?

Why would you come up with this complicated analogy for the rejection of others... and make it into a deflector shield, completely ignoring all the ramifications of what taking a metaphorical "Barrier" between yourself and others and making it literal would have?


Why would you choose something mundane over something unusual?

I'm through arguing. I just want to know WHY.

>>14578070

Because all the theological stuff was just there becuase it sounded cool?

And it's a shield based off willpower, as far as I can tell. Clearly it works on a similar level to the G-Stones.

>>14578070
It's not that it's just a shield. It's that its most visible effect is damage resistance. All that metaphysical stuff still goes on, it's just given barely any screentime. Until EoE, when things get fucking ridiculous.

>>14578070
>Why would you choose something mundane over something unusual?

You single out Evangelion, of all things, for this question?

Are you kidding me?

>>14578070
>wrong

There is no right or wrong in this discussion. People like different things.

You seem to like your idea of making the AT field a god bubble. Which is a cool concept.

Others like the idea of being able to beat an angel with nothing but human ingenuity, if only barely. Which is also a cool concept.

NEITHER IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
Let me repeat that.
NEITHER IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.

>>14578093
I agree that it is not any better than a hundred other areas I could be asking this question about.

But this is the one I happen to be thinking about right now.

You're all fucking faggots.

>>14578070

So instead of a generic scifi field we should make it one of any number of generic fantasy magic fields. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

It doesn't matter if it's a complicated metaphor. You aren't even making it interesting! You're just going 'it's the light of the soul, it MUST be impenetrable except by the light of ANOTHER soul'.

You can have a complicated metaphor with hard-set limits and it doesn't take anything away from the metaphor.

Eva is just Childhood's End with weird soul terminology anyway.

>>14578103

Hey Super Robot Wars Shinji!

You wanna go slap the whiny out of Kira Yamato?

>>14578096
If you want to play a "Humanity: FUCK YEAH!" game, I can point you to some better settings than Evangelion.


My current game has been nicknamed "Brighteva" by my players, not because it's mood is overly happy, and in fact, it's pretty damn gruesome at times. No, it's Brighteva because it isn't actually clear whether they will survive or not. Which means that there is a CHANCE they will win.

Evangelion is a world where the existence even an opportunity for victory is seen as uncharacteristically optimistic.


If you were using Ad:Eva to run a game based on Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, great. That sounds like a fun idea.

But you have to admit, doing it like that would require you to alter the setting a hell of a lot more than "AT Fields as God-Bubbles" would.

>>14578115
I was referring to how they killed Ramiel without neutralizing its AT field.
Which is possible in AdEva.
Using positron weaponry.

>>14578120

FOR THE LOVE OF

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH POSITRONS ALRIGHT

WE JUST STOPPED ARGUING ABOUT THIS WHY YOU DO THIS

>>14578120
I assumed by that you meant it would be a more optimistic "If it bleeds, we can kill it!" style thing where the Angels are really strong but can be killed just fine with enough ingenuity and firepower.

Which would be interesting, yes, but would kind of go against the usual themes.

>>14578132
You can go against the usual themes all you like. Hell, you're doing it yourself.

>>14578132

But that was the theme of the show. They only used Eva units because it was a giant robot show. The theme would be the same if it was 'use the barely understood flying saucer against evil flying saucers'.

(It would have been X-com in that case. Which would have been... interesting.)
In the end, humanity was the real enemy.

>>14578139
Actually the space game takes a much darker tone than that, since even with 1000 plus years of advancement, humanity still has nothing capable of harming even the weakest of Angels. Nerv really are the only ones who can help.


And they charge for it.

>>14578130
Oh come on, now you're just getting upset for the sake of getting upset.
In the GAME Adeptus Evangelion, positron weapons are a way to kill things with an AT field at range without neutralizing it. That is all I said.

>>14578150

oh ok sorry

thought you were the guy early on the thread who was arguing about how this was true in the show as well

i agree that is kind of retarded if it's true in the game though

I've nothing against AT-field piercing weapons, I just don't want them to be based on fucking positrons.


If you want to reliably pierce an AT field, you need something that you can't just buy with Surplus. You could refluff the positron guns as some kind of reverse-engineered Angel-tech beam weapon like Ramiel used and I'd have no problem with it, but to get it you'd have to reach a certain point in the plot.


Instead the impression is "We really could beat the Angels without evangelions, if only we had the money!"

>>14578143
>X-com
By the way, am I the only one who thinks an Evangelion video game in a style similar to Xcom could kind of work?

>>14578148

What about the Robots of all sorts?

You can put a Pair of Great Positron Cannons on a robot and blow most weak angels to hell.

As OD, I'm pissed there isn't ANYTHING I can get for my conventional forces to make them worthwhile.

Why give me tanks if I can't ever hurt and angel with them? Especially with the GM ruling I can't Righteous Fury with them as they are NPCs.

>>14578164
They have giant robots.


Those don't work either. And these are robots that can destroy planetary ecosystems from orbit.

You NEED an Evangelion. They're the only things that work. And the people who have access to and control over them? Heartless, greedy wall street types.

>>14578178
In my game, the second angel was practically solo'd by conventional forces.

It was a Ramiel type, so the evangelions mostly hid behind hillsides, Neutralizing it's AT field while the navy shot it to pieces with huge fucking guns.

>>14578161
If the players gain a weapon that can pierce AT Fields, switch things up. Throw them a curveball like Leliel. Better yet, let them think that things are going to get easier and then make it so difficult that most of them die.

Adjust.

>>14578179
NO! you could use a giant robot that fires an Evangelion.

>>14578161
>I've nothing against AT-field piercing weapons, I just don't want them to be based on non-Angel technology, because I can't possibly conceive of technology that can go through AT fields and therefore nobody should be able to

>>14578179

Why not? In AdEVA, there are positron weapons of all sorts, why can't there be a ship-class positron cannon to wipe an angel off the map?

>>14578179
>And these are robots that can destroy planetary ecosystems from orbit.

That's not hard. All you have to do is drop rocks until things stop living. If you want to impress me, tell me they can wield swords made of actual stars strung together.

One of my players stabbed an Angel to death with a combat knife. Not even in an EVA.

>>14578194
How do you think Nerv does it?

>>14578192

I gave my players full-on Lance copies.

It still isn't clear whether they can win or not.

This is an Ad:Eva game where Seele was murdered by Tabbris who is conducting a huge war against Nerv with brainwashed armies of bloodthirsty Russians, Stolen Evangelions piloted by angel-tainted pilots, and a giant particle cannon on his MOON BASE.

>>14578189

Naval gunss by RAW have a stat of 1d10+1 AP 0.

Was not impressed.

>>14578196
Because as I said, positron weapons don't exist in this game. You can hit the Angel with a barrage that would detonate a star and it will just wave a tendril and make your space fleet Go Away.

>>14578204

Heh, my OD did similar. He had access to DH stuff, so he got the bigass hunting rifle. Then he managed to righteous Fury 4 or 5 times on the one sniper shot to the head of a Rogue Eva. Didn't kill it but I've never seen someone shoot out an Eva's eye (Cyclops) with a sniper rifle before.

>>14578209
Read the rest of that sidebar. That's just a vague guess of a suggestion.

>>14578209
That was stupid. The Hand Cannon has more power than that, and it's fluffed as a repurposed naval cannon (Protip: The V2 writers have no idea how powerful naval cannons are in real life.)

I stat my naval forces as doing 1d10+5 Pen 4 and that's being generous.


I also let my OD have his own fleet of ships with Heavy Rail Cannons mounted on them.

>>14578213

Oh, I thought you were talking about the offical 'In Space' expansion that I think is still being planned.

Not all angels have 100% deflection, those ones should be shootable at least.

>>14578223

Yeah, the GM just said for me to use that.

But this is the same guy who wouldn't let me do some non-book research for better tank weapons or even let the CFs Righteous Fury.

I got really sick of being the OD after all while there.

>>14578213
Actually, if you look at it, an AT field is just kind of like a forcefield. There's nothing to say anything otherwise.

It even states that all humans have an AT field, and that's their sense of self, what keeps them distinct and apart from others. The 'wall in their heart' is more distinct in more powerful forms. Thus, Angels and clones of angels (EVA units) have physically manifested AT fields. It's been shown that a powerful enough weapon, such as an N2 mine can break an AT field, so a much more powerful weapon that uses the entire nation's powersupply could do much the same obviously. The reason most things come down to using close range weapons is because EVAs have their own AT fields and can counter AT fields.

They're also as large as angels, or nearly as large, so having a solid monomolecular or osculating 'progressive knife' makes stabbing their core that much simpler.

Obviously the weapons they have that use chemical combustion, like the rifles and even the minigun aren't as strong at piercing AT fields, and one can assume that proximity means they're that much weaker.

It seems as though the further an EVA is from its humanity, the stronger it becomes. When they go berserk, they can rip through a field with relative ease. When Unit 02 becomes 'the beast' it can rip apart the AT field of an angel whose name means 'The Fighter' (To paraphrase). And, of course, when Unit 01 has its apotheosis, it can create permanent physical manifestations from its AT field, effortlessly shatter a lesser being's AT field, and become an energy condenser that can threaten all of existence, until it's pierced by an ancient weapon, the only one in existence that's known to break even the strongest Absolute field.

Also, does AT stand for absolute terror, or absolute territory?

>>14578238
All angels except those not intended for front-line combat should have at least 100 SR.

There will be those with less, but those are special enemies that attack in other ways than simply rushing at you with lasers and claws, and thus they would never fight the conventional military.

>>14578262
In the show it's Absolute Terror. Although I don't think anyone ever SAYS that, it's one of those flashes in the opening.

In AdEva it's Absolute Territory.

>>14578279
Ah, well I was watching a poorly subbed episode and they mentioned an Absolute Terror field, and I was all, "Coo' "

>>14578272

Ah, so you also bumped up the SR.

I can't say I personally like the concept of your game but to each thier own.

>>14578262
The V2 manual insists that it's "Absolute Territory."


And yes, humans have AT fields, it's just that their effective ATS is somewhere between 0 and 1, heavily favoring the low end of that scale.

Weaker angels have weaker AT fields. For some, they're barely enough to maintain their physically impossible forms within a universe who's laws of physics dictate that they cannot exist. These are easy to disrupt enough to kill.

But once you get up past 10 ATS, the Angels should be impossible to strike at, because the weapons of mankind rely upon the laws of physics of the universe to work, and an Angel that strong can just shut those laws off like a lightswitch.

/w/ says hi

>>14578287
It isn't that I arbitrarily increased their SR so no one could beat them, it's just that all the weak angels are already dead by the time the Evas come around.

>>14578297
The V2 manual took that term (and some other things) from Shinji and 40k.

In canon, there are at least two explanations for the phrase. First, Ritsuko says (probably not in the show itself) that the first reaction upon encountering an Angel's AT Field is absolute terror. Second, forcibly breaching an AT Field induces this feeling. As in EoE, where Shigeru's field is battered down by Lilith.

Hey, does anyone know if BMJ has made any mention regarding the progress of V3?
I'm considering running a game but want to know if I'ld be better off just waiting a month or two for the master edition.

How the last angel went with my group.

The OD has been spending more and more surplus on defence for the base, culminating in a quartet of Great Positron Cannons built into base like a battleships cannons.

>>14578332
Where does the space between a skirt and kneesocks come into this?

>>14578375

Not that close to done. If you wwant to ask, go to the IRC channel and hope someone who actually knows the schedule is on.

What little I've heard about V3 makes me very nervous.


I had thought Master Edition would just be taking the rules from V2 and refining them until everything was functional and easy, but it sounds to me like they're trying all kinds of weird shit.

>>14578413

Not so much 'weird shit' as it is fixing things that had serious mechanical problems or just didn't make any sense. Most of the notable mechanical changes are things that even I agree needed to go.

>>14578431
All I really want is the Berserker and ATT careers fixed, the AT rules simplified, and a reason to take Chainswords over prog axes.

>>14578431

Are conventional forces any good now or is the OD still going to be a walking Fate Point battery?

I still don't get why Evas get better weapons than turrets beside 'We can't let non-evas have nice things'

Fuck, I didn't know anything like this existed.

Anyone got like, a forum-based RPG or anything based on this or any other Eva universe? Because I'm too fucking keen!

>>14578388
SPOILERS: ZR was coined from the AT fields in Eva.

>>14578486
Which is weird, because Asuka has the legs of a juvenile deer. All bones and weird, knobby joints.


But I guess some japanese people are pretty into that. Me, I prefer my thighs with meat on them.

>>14578444

ODs now fragment into military, science, and political. The Military OD gets options. LOTS of options. Science gets a few superweapons too.

But the best part is that all ODs get a talent that is basically 'defeat an Angel automatically at whatever heinously oppressive cost the GM wants'. It was the inevitable outcome of all the batshit-insane plans everyone came up with. I still like the fact that I almost got a group to actually use a plan that involved 108 N2 mines in concentric rings slaved to an auto-resetting countdown timer with a time of double the slowest possible electron speed in the reset switch. That Angel was a particular time-traveling bastard.

>>14578504
What about ATT's?

Are they actually a viable class now? Can they do damage or are we still stuck with the 1d10E, half-damage if foe has ATS attacks?

>>14578285
>.gif

>>14578504

So ODs can actually do some damage?

Good to know. I got real sick of having my only use be 'I need this dodge, pass me a reroll'

>>14578441

Berserker is changing and getting some really exciting new abominations at higher levels. They are also getting some things to be slightly less dependant on Berserk at lower levels, but at the end it's hard to balance something like that out so it's both the defining element of an entire class and a notable feature of all EVAs.

ATTs are changing substantially in terms of their powers, and get new high-end powers that require teamwork to pull off. The most substantial one is the next best thing to your own personal Third Impact. General AT changes as well.

Weapons are different too, and they have custom weapons orders too, I don't like the custom system as much, because I can't use it to build a Bullgut, but that's about the only thing you can't build with it.

>>14578444

And EVAs get better things because they are the fundamental unit of the game. IT makes modest sense from the setting too, as there's no guarantee the base will ever be attacked, whereas the EVAs will always be instrumental in every single conflict.

But if you want to make EVAs redundant in true style, you'll have to wait for Hunt for Adam. If you have a thousand or so surplus and the highest level of advances, you can basically build Space Battleship Yamato.

>>14578530

They're still not the damage-dealers, but they now are actually capable of doing more things. They're more the buff-debuff role than an actual hurter, but they can do proper damage once they start getting to the high levels. Before the high levels, everyone is pretty much reliant on gear, anyway.

>>14578537

Yes, they're more relevant in the actual Angel combat now, by a marked degree. What they actually do there depends on their specialty, and how much they can do does too. A military OD can generate enough force that it is possible, albeit unlikely, that they can bring down an angel without EVAs. Science ODs do buffs and mostly long-term help, but can still interven with experimental technobabble weapons. Political ODs don't do that much more than ODs do now, which is not really unexpected.

Hey. Guys.


I want to use Ad:Eva to run an FLCL game.


How I Do Dis?

>>14578546

A Space Battleship?

Now that's what I'm talking about. I want a Space Noah class battleship.

>>14576846

If you see this, feel free to drop on back in the IRC. We had wondered what happened to you...

>>14578577
Bump.


I'd totally play a game with a Naota 'zerker, Haruko Ranged-skirmisher and Mamimi ATT.


Amurao is the OD.


Amurao's eyebrows are the Commander.

>>14578581

Hunt for Adam is a surface-based campaign, but two of the Superweapon upgrades in conjunction can give your absurdly-massive supership the capacity to fly into space. One Superweapon gives you the ability to overload your AT field for temporary invincibility, and another gives you a main gun so powerful it takes an S2 organ or detonating an N2 mine to fire it and kills any unprotected person within a kilometre of the beam's path from radiation poisoning. I had a lot of fun with the Superweapon upgrades.

More conventionally, you can buy weapons (ALL the weapons), close-defense weapons and ramming blades, SO MUCH armour, mobility upgrades to both speed and turn, things to carry soldiers, aircraft, boats, and tanks, and to improve them, a shitload of scientific research things that you will need to do anything fun, things like mess halls and officer training schools to improve your ship's stats, and, for people who aren't megalomaniacal maniac ODs, things that you can use to make your EVAs more better and launch further.

The biggest thing about the ship is that it is fucking tough as balls. The weakest possible everything one, the tiny naked ship, takes a few turns of beating to kill. The best possible has something like twelve different parts to allocate to, eight wounds per part, 8 permanent and 6 ablative AP per part, 12 AP to allocate as you like each turn, and its core, the only thing you can blow up to ever kill the fucking thing, can never be hit on better than 15% allocation, even if every other part is destroyed. To make things even out, if the core DOES give way and permanently destroys your ship, it will in all likelihood be an event of biblical proportions.

Realistically, few people will take full advantage opf how big a ship can get, because of just how visibly useful the EVAs are, but I just love options. And technically, the OD is the ranking officer on ship, and can choose how the surplus gets spent...

>>14578711

...Wow...

So what you say is the 50% of my surplus is going to making the ship bigger?

And they will wonder why the OD is boosting his Ballistic Skill so high.

Or get Weapon Skill and RAM angels with you ship that outtonnages them by several orders of magnitude.

>>14578711
>Spend every single scrap of Surplus on turning the ship into a replica of 40k Battleship

>Insist that the Angels are called "Xenos."

>Purgin' All day, Erryday.

>>14578754
>Third Impact

>ENACT EXTERMINATUS!

>>14578754

Well, it looks like you can get a Nova Cannon.

You also will need positron cannons for lances and railguns for broadsides.

New Group: 4 ODs.

2 Military
1 Science
1 Political

Disregard Evas, Aquire Battleship.

>>14578775

And now it's Rogue Trader all over again.

Dibs on the Techpriest...I mean Science OD.

>>14578743

If you take all the upgrades to ramming, you can do some serious damage to everything. On the other hand, even if you have all the upgrades, ramming is going to hurt you very, very badly. And if you DON'T have the upgrades, you'll probably cripple your ship outright and look like a douche.

Also, if you take the gigantic energy blade prow, you can't take any of the really powerful guns, because they're all spine-mounted.

Technically, you choose your ship and keep that one all game. If you do change to a bigger hull, it is going to beh heinously expensive, as you can't transfer any of the facilities from one to the other. But you can do it, just like you can build ancillary ships, if your GM thinks it's fine. It's not explicitly allowed, because there's a point when the game turns into something it wasn't meant to be.

And if you DO go for all these upgrades, you will spend all the surplus you ever earn and then some. Also, you need to get your own research, which can either be slow and modeslty expensive, decently fast and heinously expensive, heinousyl expensive and slow and safe, or MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE which is expensive and has a good chance of incurring some cataclysmic fuckups. Be warned - if you get the worst possible result for a science fuckup, it will be slightly WORSE than Third Impact.

>>14578780
Use SB's rules for cyborgs and apply them to your Science OD.

Boom, Explorator Magos.

>>14578782

This is your new Battleship, OD and Beserker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A9pnpR4Zok

>>14578782

Energy Blade Prow...those words make me a happy man.

MAXIMUM SPEED AHEAD, IT'S AT FIELD IS DOWN!

>>14578754
>>14578768
>>14578775

You -can- do these things, but you will be dependant on the EVAs for the first third to half the game. Upgrades are expensive and research-dependant, and fast research is expensive and upgrade-dependant. Unless your GM is willing to gimp the shit out of your first five or six Angels, you will not earn the surplus to ever begin improving.

By the time the endgame approaches, though, you can go nuts. You'll have to. Every game of Hunt for Adam ends with you fighting Adam. The difference your campaign results get will say whether he's weakened, at full strength or alone, or at full strength and backed by multiple Apocalyptic-class Angels. HfA starts at standard AdEva speed, but ends up at a very big place by the end of it.

>>14578842
>Fighting Adam and multiple Apocalyptic-class Angels with your Evengelions and your enormous airship, backed up by the armies of every nation in the world.


>Manowar begins playing from nowhere.

>>14578546

We basically had the SDF Macross in my GM's HfA campaign. We even got some Veritechs later on (Pity they all died fighting the Mass production models and the massive SEELE air force.)

>>14578743

>Ram angels

Already done, half the cast in the campaign rammed the Illustrious into an Angel at some point or other. Hell our OD blew one apart from the inside.

>>14578775

If you wired Lilith into the ship and used her to negate AT fields that might just work.

Anyone ever done a crossover between Adeptus Evangelion and Cthulutech?

There was a fanfic in the vein of Shinji and Warhammer 40k that had this scenario, and it was... ok. For a while.

The idea itself, I find intriguing. I'd like to be able to play Cthulutech without it's fuck-awful system.

Bump

So there was a bunch of arguing about AT fields and Angels in this thread. Specifically about Ramiel.

Just FYI Ramiel's AT field was never shown, could be focused somewhere (like the beam) or just be nonexistent.

And there was no other choice than to snipe it when the core is twice as high up as any Evangelion can reach and this happens if it knows you're coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8HqgM1qcdo

>>14577807

The human psyche. Base each angel on a part of the human psyche. Perhaps an encroacher based on the "shadow"?
Seriously just plunge Jung and Frued psychology for material

>>14579038
>Just FYI Ramiel's AT field was never shown

In the original series it was.

>>14578897
There have been Cthulu crossovers and Scifi, but I don't think anyone has gone as far as to play Cthulutech. That said, its totally viable, if you collect all the side material to AE that isn't really official you've pretty much covered your bases on every aspect of Cthulutech. The Tager-like Symbionts, the Apostle class, etc.

So yes, you COULD indeed play Cthulutech without having to deal with its fuck awful system.

>>14579217

Is the system that bad? I haven't had a chance to take a look at it, but I like the setting.

>>14579147
Definitely was in Rebuild too. You see cannon shells bounce off it.

>>14579323
Its really quite terrible.

>>14579465

I'd ask how bad is it, but now I'm kind of afraid to.

>>14579147
>>14579353
Right then, I vote that it uses its AT field to shoot its laser then. Leaving it vulnerable. Makes perfect sense to me.

In ReBuild its AT field is mentioned to be "unstable" and "constantly changing". Basically confirming that the visible part of the angel (aside from its core) is the AT field itself. Which also makes sense considering the spatial impossibilities its form creates.

>>14579719
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. In Rebuild, however, it's AT Field is up both times the great positron cannon is shot. You can see the beam shatter it twice (first time at roughly 1:28.05). As far as I understand the show, an angel's power is roughly infinite, but its ability to bring this power to bear is finite / requires time. The great positron cannon put so much energy in one spot so fast that the AT Field couldn't keep up.

Hrm... Is this thread still open to hearing about some game concepts, or have we gotten wrapped up in setting discussion and the OP is no longer relevant?

“I’m Kaworu.” Kaworu said. “All of him.”

“Huh?”

“The Kaworu you know is a four dimensional reflection of me, existing in a form compatible with lilin consciousness. The Angels exist wholly in a dimension beyond human consciousness, what you would know as the Sixth Dimension. Metaphysics calls it the Room of Gauf.”

Again “Huh?”

The world disappeared. Kaworu held up a piece of paper and drew a dot on it.

“This is a point. It has no height, no width , depth or concept of time. It just is.”

“Right, right.” I got it.

“ Now… add a second point. “ he drew another dot, “And fill in the line between them. That line between points is the first dimension. It has length… and only length.”

“The X direction. Right? “ I see where this is going, “With Y and Z as the second and third dimensions, and the Fourth being time.”

“Yes,” he smiled at me, “But for now lets just stay in two dimensions. Imagine somebody who lives solely in the second dimension. They have length and width, but no height… this stick figure”… he drew a simple humanoid shape. “If he were to encounter a 3 dimensional object, what would he see?”

“Slices in two dimensions as the object transects his home plane.”

>>14580132
Now I knew where this was going, I could begin to sound like something more than a child receiving a lecture.

“Yes. And if he were to move anywhere? “

“He cold only move along an X’Y plane.”

“He would also move forward in time as he did so. Now, what happens if we fold his two-dimensional plane in the third dimension like so,” He twisted the paper once, then took both ends so they joined up. “Now watch. Imagine the two dimensional man walking along this path.” He drew a line starting at the split…

“It’s a moebius strip.” I said, “He can move in the second dimension and never reverse his direction, but still end up back where he started, because he’s been moved in a third dimension, and isn’t aware of it. ”

“Precisely. ” He smiled… perhaps a little surprise. “Now look up,”

I saw him and myself. A dark haired girl who just looked like she realised something profound, standing beside another Kaworu

“What the?”

“So you understand?” alt-Kaworu said.

“I do,” alt-me answered. “But that’s just…weird.” She shuddered.

“Follow me,” the Kaworu beside me directed, tugging me gently by the shoulder. I think I knew where this was going…

We walked while he talked.

>>14580134

“Imagine what would happen then to those who can only perceive in four dimensions, moving forward in their own dimension, who’s path is then moved within the Fifth Dimension. They themselves will not be aware of it. To them, all they see is the snapshot of the Fourth Dimension which transects the planes of the Third Dimension they interact with… the ‘now’. Now would they notice if the Fourth dimension were looped back in it’s own moebius strip? As creatures they could keep moving forward, but still end up at the same startpoint over and over again.”

I had a horrible feeling about where this was going.

“On a larger scale, this is what happens to the world. Each Third Impact is like the tape binding the moebius strip together in time. It’s a crash in the universe triggered by the sudden absence a recurrence of sapient awareness. Those living on the strip can’t tell this is happening, they just feel themselves moving forwards, even though they may be treading over the same basic territory.”

The flaw was obvious, “But I remember seeing myself in the future…” err.. “Past. Whatever?”

“Yes, you do. Because you retain your self awareness throughout the entire trip. Memory is a nice trick of the lilin, where your current state is also made up of function of your previous states. It allows you to perceive the existence of a 4th dimension, though you cannot directly affect it.”

“So,” I latched onto the obvious flaw, “Why don’t we realise that we’re looping? I’m going to meet myself at the end of this, and remember I met myself early, am I right?”

Nagisa nodded. “Third Impact doesn’t just destroy the lilin. The end of each cycle destroys the evidence that it ever existed in the first place, while laying the foundations for the next to begin.”

>>14580148
Ends with the Third… begins with the two. Third Impact, and Shinji and Asuka on the beach doing an Adam and Eve. A little more thought on the whole creation myth and suddenly the expulsion from paradise began to make a lot more sense.

The juice left over from Third Impact was an Eden… and the desire for knowledge, the desire to have a self which could understand right or wrong, led to the expulsion from Eden.

I think…

“Now look up,” a familiar voice said from straight infront of me.

I turned my head, and saw the expression on my own face from a few moments ago. Or right now… or … whatever.

“So now you understand?” Kaworu beside me asked.

“I do,” I said… then remembered myself saying the exact same words a few minutes before and shuddered as a few sanity points fluttered away on the wind “But that’s just weird,”

“Follow me,” the Kaworu beside her directed, tugging her gently by the shoulder. I think I knew where she was going…

But didn’t we already go there? And then they’d come around and see the exact same thing, and another cycle would start over…. And… my head started to hurt.

“Okay… I understand that we’re looping around in a cycle. But how do we break the cycle?”

“A system will continue in motion unless an external force acts upon it.” he repeated something I remember him saying “By knowing it exists, we can try find a route that steps off.”

He turned left and I followed him.

“So then… why me?”

>>14580148

“Because I am an Angel” As if that explained everything. “Lets go back to our dimensions. Think of yourself and all the three dimensions you exist in, squished down to a point. Then, think of yourself in ten minutes time, in a different position. Another point. And the line between them would be the Fourth dimension of time. For a being that perceived time above Four dimensions, that’s what you’d look like… a long, amorphous thread, extending from when you came into existence, to when the thread is cut.”

“Timeline?” For some reason , I started to think of reality in terms of derivatives. I perceive a snapshot of the Fourth Dimension delta-t in length, then the Fourth dimension is sort of the integral of the third.

“Lifeline. Everything that you are, where and will be, simultaneously. You are birth, life and death all laid out in the one space. Everything that you are and will be.”

I looked at him fearfully,

“You can see the future,”

“Possibilities.” He said. “That change with every action or thought or decision made by the lilin. I can see you dieing. I can see you living. All along the one lifeline. Decisions made act as branches along the line, forming new lines. These tangle with the lifelines of others out there, forming the tapestry of life. The Fifth Dimension is the summation of all possible lifelines originating from the origin of the universe. The Fifth Dimension is the room of gauf, it is the one where both Angels and Lilin live.”

“But we’re three dimensional”

>>14580169

“Lilin perceive three dimensions but are fundamentally Fifth Dimensional creatures. The fruit of your knowledge allows you to perceive the universe in a way that causes the timeline to exist as perceived. The lilin soul is a functional part of the three dimensional reality, the perception of which gives it form.”

“Eh?”

Okay… now I was confused. The little beachball in ym brain was starting to twirl.

“This restricts your immediate perceptions to a single 3 dimensional plane, but the soul… that which you are…intersects each and every possible timeline you are in. And each intersection is it’s own individual person.. some almost imperceptibly different from you and some utterly unrecognisable. The desire for individuality keeps you separate from these selves, it gives them form and shape.”

I think I got that.

“Echoes of different timelines reverberate through a soul. A person who dies in a plane crash in one line, might well have a strange fear of flying in another. A writer might call it his muse which allows him to get into the mind of a serial killer. Thoughts and ideas, half-fragments of memories and ripples of emotion bleed through and then disappear.”

I looked at him, feeling a little cold.

“And in those echoes and fragment are pieces of the previous lines of this world. Now, they are inside you.”

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Mind-screw. Why I love this game

>>14580101
Maybe you should start a new thread. This one is kinda full, and most of it is arguments.

>>14580175
Reminds me of the book of math shapes where the protagonist is a 2d figure and suddenly is talked to by a sphere. He becomes a prophet, trying to tell other 2d creatures ( males are all assorted 3+ sided figures, with "perfection" being circles - females are lines).

>>14580263
Flatland?

>>14580263

Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions

>>14580270
>>14580279
That's it.

>>14580263
Actually it was based on some random video I saw on the internet a while back explaining something about a 10 dimensional universe.

>>14580101

There is, but you have to post them to talk them.

>>14583077
Would it be possible to play the game as a one-shot at an animé con...

Anyone have any ideas about how to do that?

I was thinking to keep things simple, use the original series pilots + the odd extra as needed, and put them against one of the middle Angels... either Sahaquiel or even Zeruel.

Play through an episode of NGE and see what happens.

>>14578866
And suddenly everyone except me has Warriors of the World United playing in their head.

>pretty serious extremists, acquire EVA carriers, bypass ludicrous security, etc
Or just lucky/well positioned enough to make a move after something akin to the EoE battle when there are a whole bunch of disabled Evas lying around and everyone who could stop them is dead.

Or hijack the train the Eva is being transported on under far too light security due to lack of funds/overconfidence.

Or they really hang out around a pilot who grabbed a portable reactor and bolted one day.

More specifically, where some of these groups are actually getting funds and equipment would be a campaign long plotline with dire implications.

>>14584097
For a one shot at a con, working with the canon pilots might be a desirable course to take. With all of the extra pilot candidates you should be able to fill out even a 6 member party pretty easily, and you can save a lot of time when you can just go "...and I'll be Toji".

That's the real problem I've always found with con games; you're on the clock in a very real way and you can't rely on your players to keep to a set schedule when they may have never played DH of watched NGE before. The less time you spend explaining the setting and making characters, the more time you'll have to walk the players thorough the system so you can actually play.

So what are people's thoughts on Wing Loadouts?

Spike Launchers? Batteries? Mounting a pistol? Maybe just the basic Knife Dock floats your boat?

Or do you buy a whole bunch and switch them around as you feel they are needed?

>>14587688

I typically run a knife dock and a spike launcher once I can afford it. I might pick up a battery wing if my build isn't gonna include an S2 organ.

>>14584490
You know given Traits, Assets and Drawbacks it might be just as easy to pregenerate sheets that have nothing to do with the series and let those serve as a basic direction for the characters.

at first my players were all "Fuck yea killing angels."
then they were all "daww sad backstory, complex romance."
Then came the awkward underage sex scene.

so i killed them all and i'm never going to participate in a game of adeva again.

>>14589299
Come to think of it, how does eva on eva fighting go in AE compared to eva(s) v angel?

how different is it etc?

>>14590302
I mean human pilot and human pilot, not Tabis/MP/Bardiel

>>14590302

Eva vs Eva is short and brutal, because it is played to win.

Never forget that if the GM *actually* wanted to kill your players with an Angel, it would probably be a TPK. And that isn't even counting simple 'rocks fall' GM abuse.

Angels are designed to be played as powerful but dumb. A player, however, will called shot to the head of your Eva all day every day with the highest damage weapon they can get their hands on. Which pretty much means that whoever wins initiative has a huge advantage, as most hits will be either one-hit kills or otherwise crippling.

>>14589896

well, how was it handled?

Adeva, for some reason, very much provokes (or simply attracts the sort of players that enjoy) intense roleplay, and romance seems to come up in almost every game.

If the no pants dance came as a natural result of a growing in character relationship and was handled tastefully? It was probably okay, if a bit uncomfortable.

Granted, anything other than 'fade to black' is probably less than tasteful. But as the GM, 'fade to black' was your call, not theirs.

>Then came the awkward underage sex scene.
On this subject I once got sick of hearing about how bad the sex scenes were in Fate/Stay Night. So I tracked them down, they're that bad. The one with Rin is also the most awkward uncomfortable virgin sex I've ever witnessed.

I kinda figure a good portion of Ad Eva sex could take it's cue from that scene.

>awkward underage sex scenes

See, I want to play this game. I really like it and I wouldn't even have any problem ifs some of this awkward sex stuff happened to happen in it. It's just that all of the people that I play with have the emotional fiber of a 12 year old from something awful. Even thinking about putting any of them in a situation like this is a disaster waiting to happen.

And for some reason I can never get into playing online. It's gotta be in person or it just doesn't work for me. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dungeons and Dragoncrawling is getting a bit old and I don't see any obvious solution.

>>14593824
Having run a game irl and played in a game on irc, it works much better on irc.

>>14594085
Its hard to fap when you can actually see the dude describing his character's sexual prowess.

>>14594093
This and saved logs are a perverts best friend.

>>14594093
>>14594106
>Just play online, that way when the immature manchild you're playing with starts beating off to your character while she sleeps or does a load of laundry or whatever you just won't notice.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm in the right hobby. I really do.

More on topic, has anyone ever used the skirmisher's commission talent to stick a positron rifle in a wing dock? That's another thing I've always wondered about. It looks fun, but it also seems a bit expensive and since I've never actually had a chance to play I can't say if the fun would be worth the cost.

Just make a gun that shoots AT fields.

I'm currently dealing with a Mary Sue in my AdEva game. Fucking sucks. Angel Hybrid Prodigy using BOTH playtest careers who whored out WP and the DM is apparently afraid to hit the character full force. Which basically lets them parade around as the big awesome Mary Sue that they are when it is really the Pointman who is getting everything done.

I want out, but I already agreed to finish this up

>>14594594
... Are there rules for Quad-Wielding? So I could integrate a pair of Compact Positron Rifles, and then dual-wield a pair of the same.

Walking around, shooting four beams of death, forcing everything in front of me to duck and cover.

>>14594728
Skrims get a shitload of attacks, so you could do it.

>>14594719
Turn on her in-character.

>>14594719
I thought Angel Hybrids were restricted to Manufactured characters?

>>14594756
Oh that would be awesome, but instead three of the other player characters fap to that character in some circlejerk love triangle. I don't want to be THAT GUY.

>>14594760
Playtest Career can give you Angel Hybrid. It's retarded

I always wanted to try playing a manufactured Rei-style. No emotion, no angst, just 100% cold calculation and efficient action towards an optimal result. Not only would it be really fun to watch him break down over the course of a campaign, but letting the rest of the group's inevitable angst just pass him by would be too funny. Might try to do this when the new expanded rules come out, I heard tell of a cyborg perk that would work really well for it.

Also I'd give him entirely blue eyes, sclera and all, and see who gets the joke.

>>14593824
Second

>>14594756
Read that as "turn her on in-character."

Also possibly a viable plan, if somewhat more convoluted and creepy.

>>14594822
Well, Rei wasn't unemotional, just...stoic.

>>14594836
Dear god no. My character is a loveless angel killing machine. I basically only show up now to kill the angel, and then I just leave them to their fanfiction level romance and circlejerk. Only one of them has any sort of the troubles that should come with an AdEva character--the rest are full-disclosure, noblebright nice people, all centered around the Mary Sue. Fucking disgusting.

>>14594728
Speaking of Lazor Eva, I've been wondering if it's possible to power an energy weapon directly off an S^2 Organ, negating the need for reloads. Are there rules/precedent for this?

>>14594861
Reloads are replacing fuses, not power supply. Wouldn't work.

>>14594887
Curses. Ah well, my group still hasn't bough any energy weapon tech anyway (despite having Tier 3, Hyper-Proggressive and S^2 Generation).

>>14594860
>I basically only show up now to kill the angel, and then I just leave them to their fanfiction level romance and circlejerk.

This is a common problem.

>>14594905
Yeah, gotta get dem energy weapons. Find a way to get Positron Tanks

>>14594905
I think it kind of runs into the combined problems of the sexual appeal of projectile / explosive weapons, and the fact that AT fields kind of gimp ranged combat to a certain degree. If you're going to have to get close anyway, why not get close with a giant hammer that's tipped with a self forging projectile?

>>14594860
What game is this?

Read, But not understood.
I must watch episodes and movies.

>>14595599
>implying watching the episodes and movies will help.

>>14594861
While the fuses will prevent you from running your Positron Weapons off S2 power, you might be able to swing Masers.

Quad-Wielding Mas Carbines on Full Auto. You are now a different genre of anime character.

>>14597711
This makes me sad that we're not going to see the customizer career path until rebuild, way off in the indefinite future. Getting miniaturized mas carbines in your regular wing slots, integrating one into each of your forearms, and then putting one into each hand (or replacing each hand with one) would be a think of beauty

>>14597711

Which talents do you need to take to do 4 attacks in a single turn?

>>14594822
The spice is life.
Fear is the mind killer
the eyes of ibad

You can do that, but half of AdEva is about the parts of the game where you're not fighting Angels, be it politicking, planning, training, or social interaction. I'm glad that the game works out that most games have at least a half-and-half split, and it really does work so that the more non-Angel time the better, up until the point where the plot slows down too much because of it. AdEva isn't a hack and slash game, after all, because it's designed to be basically a solid stream of bossfights. Just like standard bossfights with extras, they need to be carefully moderated by the GM to keep them in line. If you reduce AdEva to raw combat, the games end up much like the Mongolians; nasty, brutish, and short.

Generally speaking, if you're going to play a full-length campaign over the standard 2+ hour sessions, there should be at least one Angel fight in every session. It's not until you have entire sessions without any fighting that the plot begins to crawl.

If you really are having problems with awkward teensex dominating the game, then talk to the players, and the GM. It's everybody's game, not just theirs. If you're upset with the fact that awkward teensex exists at all, then you need to calm down. Unless we're talking outright narration of the act itself, in which case fuck off fetishists.

>>14594822

There are a few options, but what you're describing is something I think a few guys plus myself were looking at that got knocked over for being too complicated. You'd have to counts-as a cyborg PC to do one in Master.

>>14594860

I hate to say it, but if everyone in the game except you is perfectly fine with the game, then maybe it's just not your game. As much as AdEva is meant to be a game where having a character of high morals and standards just gives them further to fall, and trying to save everyone can get as many people killed as the psychotic ruthless guy, people are free to play the game however they like. All we can do is tell peopel how we want it, not that they're wrong for doing it differently.

Talk to your GM before you get butthurt and try to destroy the game. Maybe he's making everything seem all nice and bright to give them exactly enough rope to hang themselves with. Or, he's not seeing that the things you want out of the game are being marginalised, and will give you some more scope to do things outside of combat as well. Or you could actually take part in the social interaction, dropping a PC filibuster into their funtime. If everyone is getting along fine, then maybe it's because you refuse to play the game.

>>14598029

The game only goes so far as it is now, because it's not actually necessary to do more. When you get alternate campaign styles, there will be a shitload more material released. As it is, there are things already that nobody uses, and there's only so many optiosn you should put in the core book. You'll have some more toys in Master, and they're trying to get everything to work out a bit more useful.

Except the Pallet Rifle.

>>14594860
isn't Rei pretty noblebright? plus movie Shinji?

>>14576832
>>14577888

Eva attracts two kinds of people:
>aspies who love the show and obsess endlessly over every little detail of the series.
>aspies who hate the show and have no idea what they're talking about.

>>14598984
>Except the Pallet Rifle.
Hey, Pallet Rifle works perfectly underwater.

>>14599011
Most people in Eva are pretty NobleBright. That's why character development doesn't work out well for them.

>>14598029
I'm still waiting for stats for the canon cast.

>>14599178
Saying that it 'works perfectly' and being able to say that it actually works well are two very different things.

That said, I'd be interested in seeing some dedicated underwater weapons.