>>14825764
I don't think "tomboy" is the right word to describe Baiken.

I like to draw my girly, then masturbate under the table instead of acknowledge the game.

I think everyone else would agree.

I'm against playing as a character of your opposite sex. It either turns sexist or downright creepy.

>>14825764

True Social and True Girly.

I like to play female paladins and these two are the best options.

going by your chart, true antisocial.
She worked hard to become a respected knight, damn it! You guys running amuck is bad for PR!

We have a fat guy in our group. I mean hormonal gland problem fat. He played a human warlock chick with 16 CHA. Our enemies would shoot over the party to try and kill his char that was taking cover. We all agreed.

>>14825764
True Social. I already get enough flak for always playing a female character. They let me do it because I'm not all in their faces about it.

Unless you're playing a magic user, and even then its kinda hard to pull off, PC's are pretty much required to be tomboyish by virtue of their profession.

But can you name them all?

>>14825808
Rogue, bard can be girly as fuck.
The only ones that are pretty hard to be girly are barbarians and rangers because wtf, right?
Fighters can work, but only if they get maniacal during the battles.

I use to play as females in mmo's and unlike all those chinese nigger farmers i tend to sit around in inn and see people. Sometimes act when i like. Quite true neutral. Damn i need to pick up a text based browsergame

Wow. Years have I watched animu and read manga, but I don't know any of those girls.
Is this reason to be proud or to be ashamed?

>>14825808

>tomboyish female bard

How about no

>>14825838
You're kind of right. My wife plays a half-orc barbarian with a 12 Charisma. She plays Antisocial Tomboyish. Unless she's around booze.

>>14825764

I am playing my first female PC, a human paladin of Pelor. She's a mix between true social and true girly.

I play all my characters roughly the same, regardless of gender.

No so much loners, as they are losers. Can never seem to do anything right, but optimism will get threm through failure!

>>14825856
You should be slightly ashamed for not knowing who Saber is but other than that they don't seem immediately recognizable to me either.

going by this chart.. True Antisocial. Not really by choice, it just sort-of ends up that way (male and female characters)

>foreverastraightman.jpg

>>14825764

>5 humans
>3 elfs

where are the dwarf, orc and halfling chicks?

I tend towards Social Tomboyish, though I have a character that is True Antisocial.

Sephia: Tomboyish Magical Knight who fights for Glory, Honor and Friendship. More than a little Trombe in her character design too.

Loviatar: A witch who wants three things in life, Fun, Alcohol and Adrenaline Rushes.

Nagakami Yuriko: Arch Militant who loathes the fact that the other members of the crew act like louts. Most graceful member of the group but a bit of a bitch.

I am very much against people playing the opposite gender. Even if it doesn't go the creepy route [they hump everything] or the ridiculously sexist route[they do whatever they are told, act irrationally ect] players have no real reason to do so. To be more precise I do not let guys play women. The one time our girl player had a female char, everyone was trying to get her to seduce all NPCs for anything at all. It was damn disturbing.

I've been running games for 12 years and I've seen my fair share of female PCs. Usually her personality depends on their class too.

>Paladin, wizard, bard: Social girly, True girly, True Social

>Cleric, Druid, Fighter: True neutral, True antisocial, Antisocial girly.

>Ranger, Rogue, Barbarian: Social tomboyish, True tomboyish, antisocial tomboyish.

>>14825764

I dare anyone to name them all!

The only girl I've ever played, my current character, started out as Social Tomboyish, but it now more like True Antisocial.

Social Girly or True Girly.

Anti-social girly if I feel like being rape-bait.

Did I mention I only play tabletop over the internet for ERP purposes?

>>14825888
Who is saber and where is she from?

Also how do I align my apostate tech priestess? She's in her late 40s and has long worked as a lowranking famulous-operative, employed with maintaining ties to the wider Imperium. Now she has scored big time by being employed by the inquisition.

> Playing a character opposite your gender.

Yeah, because there's no way its intrinsically doomed to fail spectacularly.

>>14825764

There are two LG paladins in that chart.

And both have huge tits.

>>14825968

Rule 63'd King Arthur or something

Fate Stay Night Anime.

>>14825988
All that good is a wonderful breast enhancer. They just balloon up when you get enough of it.

So you're saying that in order to avoid man boobs I must eat my young?

Captcha: Rogical Structure

>>14825989
King Arthur?
Sorry, I cannot quite follow you.
She'll be a lvl 1 acolyte, not the queen of Space England.

Fate Stay Night? Suppose, I'm possibly too old for this stuff.

>>14826040
and forsake god

>>14825968

What's her personality?

My NPCs run the gamut, although I wouldn't presume to play an opposite gender PC since I roleplay heavily and doubt I'm up to it.

If I suspect monkey business on the part of the PCs, I run True Anti-Social NPCs.

>>14826049
Well, naturally. Otherwise how would I be able to indulge in sodomy?

Guys are so bad at roleplaying female characters. That stupid chart only reinforces my biased opinion.

Femanon here.

I am currently playing an antosocial girly half-elf wizard. To be exact she is horribly self conscious about her un-elvish body. (Huge bust and sorta chubby), yet she gets a crazy amount of white knighting from the other players. Sometimes I even get all the loot.

So antisocial girly is the way to go!

>>14825979
That's easy.
Play a character, not a caricature. Remember that a character has motivations, past experiences and a life before the game, and 90% of the things that could occur to a female could also easily occur to a man.
The bad things start when someone decides they need to go down the route of the worse aspects in order to "be a woman".
Had that happen once, so I played a guy who belonged to a madam from age 8 to 22 before "escaping". The manner of that escape I never mentioned, but it came up when we hit a town and the party found out I was wanted for murder. Turns out he convinced a patron to buy him from the madam, then killed them, robbed them, and became a wanderer. I also never told them the GENDER OF THE PATRON. That made things odd at the table with the girl AND guy playing female characters who were rape victims.

>>14826088

>she gets a crazy amount of white knighting from the other players. Sometimes I even get all the loot.

>>14826055
She has been hiding her religion for decades and after all she is a Tech Priest.
So, rather stoic, I guess, possibly a little timid and surely averse to risk.
On the other hand, as a suppressed convert, she will be rather fanatical in her views, even if she cannot show them.

>>14826109

She sounds like true neutral.

>>14825764

They they are all weaboo characters? Why not western comic/videogame girls?

>>14826088
Eh, that happens in groups where the guys are afraid that being fair to the one girl they know will make her leave.

>>14826134

Mmmm not really. I usually play female characters, but I used to play "tough" ones. And they never got so many "benefits" like my shy half elf.

rolled 56 = 56

>>14826088

I hate you, and all you stand for.

>>14826128

Because as much as I hate to accept it Japanese characters tend to have a greater degree of personality development.

Western comic girls either follow the Lara Croft/Supergirl stereotype or are all angsty.

>>14826150
Most likely they didn't think of it as a woman when it didn't need constant attention and/or protection?

>>14826088

Why you do that?

Just, why?

>>14826170
You are an idiot. You've probably seen hundreds more animu/mango than actual western entertainment, haven't you?

>>14826114
I was not talking about this chart.
Any believable character older than 20 would have to be true neutral.

>>14826170
Gentlemen, please! Not this discussion yet again.

>>14826088
I hate to break it to you. They're not giving it to the character, they are giving it to YOU.

>>14826170
Argument proven invalid.

>>14826186

>why

I think this page explain it perfectly.

Um, I'm planning on playing a female Thri Kreen in our next campaign, and I envision her as"social tomboyish", I suppose. Pretty boyish in nature, but fairly friendly.

>>14826206
Lisa is the personification of irony.

Every thing she does backfires horribly.

But its okay, at least she learns something valuable about herself or made a small difference in another person's life before something horrible happens to them.

>>14826206
Shit gag character

>>14826200

+1

At the same time, you're not getting my loot, cunt. Kill your own fucking dragon if you want the loot so bad.

>>14826189
Female comic book heroines ARE shit, though.

>>14826206

If you're trying to make a case for personal development in western animation, never, ever ever cite Lisa Simpson...

>>14826029
In fact I would say extremes of any alignment do wonderful things to a girls tits.

To the people who do not recognize the characters, most of them are from VN games or Queen's Blade.
Exceptions are Baiken, from Guilty Gear, Mina from Dragon Quest 5, and the frilly girl from Ar Tonelico.

I've played True Neutral (kind of boring, but some people just can't get over a guy playing a female character), True Antisocial (but that's how I play most Chaotic characters anyhow, regardless of gender), True Tomboyish (the standard, but a good one), and Antisocial Tomboyish (which is always fun). That last one is indeed my favourite, 'though my characters' haven't been two-dimensional since I was 14 years-old, so there's always more to them than that.

Actually there's enough lit around with strong, actual people who happen to be female. Problem is they get drowned in the sea of vomit inducing feces that gets published and caters to 'nerds'. Think Goodkin's books. If she isn't getting raped, you haven't read half the book yet.
In all seriousness, in books that are fairly chided as being naive and immature you can find women with some damn impressive character[ See Dragonlance, for example, bad books but sometimes they surprise you].

>>14826239
On second thought, you're right.
I just wanted to make a point about monodimensional characters.

ITT we dont know how alignment axis works

wtf is "true x" shit? "true neutral" means neutral neutral

chart should be:

Social Girly Neutral Girly AntiSocial Girly
Neutral Social TrueNeutral Neutral Antisocial
Social Tomboy Neutral Tomboy AntiSocial Tomboy

fuck, you kids are retarded.

>>14826281
>implying alignment axes work.

>>14826281

Actually, given what they are riffing, both are technically correct.

>>14826220
Why would you even give a Thri Keen a sex?

>>14826292
My Axe of Chaotic Good would break your Axe of Neutral Evil, fucker. It's got +4 Giggling Orphans.

I've tried to play females before, but everyone always kept thinking of the character as male halfway through. Even the DM forgot.

>>14826281
Hush, it's old Mr. Scrooge!
He hates children's laughter.

>>14826313
Axes = pl from axis

>>14826313

My +5 Neutral Evil axe has Smite Orphan as a free feat, though. What can your Orphan Defense do for you when I can bypass it in one clean swipe?

>>14826281
You've just changed the titles around, not done anything to change their meaning. neutral good, neutral evil, lawful neutral and chaotic neutral can likewise be refered to as true good, true evil, truely lawful and truely chaotic.

1/10 for getting me to respond in hopes that no one else feels the need.

I don't make clichés.

I make CHARACTERS

When I play a Female charcter I give her a very sunshine and butterflies kind of personality and then every third or fourth session I make her bitch out or cry at every little thing.

>>14826322
Who doesn't?

>>14826325
Fuck you, these orphans have like Pollyanna-level rankings in their Optimism. Do you have Optimism? No, I thought not.
Cynicism was nerfed in 3.5e, anyway, you're just playing a faggoty underpowered character for the sake of flavor.

>>14826322
Ah, this thread makes me want to play a CE sorcerer with an aversion to kittens again. *sigh* Oh, the good old days...

>>14826331
ZUUPAH DOOPAH ZUUPAH MEN!!!

>>14826339

At least I play concept. My Neutral Evil axe requires actual work and thought put into how I swing it, which is a better reward when I actually accomplish something.
What do you do, goodie Chaotic Goodie goodie good faggot gaywad? You just get all of the XP handed to you on a platter. I'm roleplaying my axe, you're just roll-playing because it's easy!

Another femanon here. I like to try to get a variety of personalities with my characters, but my female ones usually end up Antisocial Tomboy. Although I do have one Social Tomboy and one Social Girly that I'm fond of.

>>14825764
So OP, are we going to see a Manly alignment chart sometime? I want to play a male character, but I need help in deciding which of nine stereotypes I should play.

I play Tsundere

>>14826351
>QQ my axe isn't catered to in the game i'm inherently better for playing it than you despite how you play high fantasy the alignment it's meant to be played

>>14826366
There are only three alignments

TRUE MAN, MAN, GIRLIE MAN

>>14826366
Macho Neutral
i.e. It doesn't matter if you bathe or not, as long as you kick ass.

>>14826373
>>14826351
>>14826339
>>14826325
>>14826313

I'm not sure whether you two are being idiots, geniuses, satirizing /tg/, or trolling.
Or all four.

>>14826301

I dunno, I assumed their species has both male and female genders. If not, I guess it's kinda a moot point. Her being female doesn't really mean much of anything anyway, I imagine the character acting exactly the same were she a he.

Are Thri Kreen sexless?

>>14826374
Hygienic Macho Hygienic Neutral Hygienic Sissy
Neutral Macho True Neutral Hygienic Neutral
Unhygienic Macho Unhygienic Neutral Unhygienic Sissy

>>14826236
Depends on the comic and the author, just like with Japanese products.
You are more likely to see manga with women conforming to pop tropes due to the uniformity of the culture however. Other places will have a dilution of hive thought, so a female that is not a stock piece can be better received.

>>14826390
Thri Keen are insects. Our notions of male and female do not apply

>>14826343
Evil Characters are best Characters!

>>14826367
That is not an alignment, that is a pattern of behavior towards a love interest, mostly MC.

>>14826400
I posit that western comics have a similar problem with Action Girl syndrome. Equally systemic, but with less variety.

>>14826374

In one of these complex Oblivion sex mods there are personality alignments for male characters.

They are Gentle, Manly, Indifferent and Cruel, with their proper variations. They treat female PCs differently depending on their personality.

Pic related, an example of Cruel.

>>14826410
No. I play Tsundere in all things

Personality should not be dependent on gender.

The moment you start trying to determine how a character should act in non-romantic/sexual situations based upon whether they have tits or a dick is the moment you have failed in playing an interesting character.

>>14826401

It doesn't mean anything culture wise, sure, but physically, insects still have differences depending on sex, notably their colouration and size. Like I said, it's irrelevant, really, but just because male and female act the same, I should make it male?

>>14826400

That is bullshit.

Japanese stuff tend to have a wide variety of personalities when it comes to girls, to the point there is rarely a repeated one in a single series.

Meanwhile you have stuff like Justice League where all the female PCs are tough action girls with little to no personality.

>>14826410
I play tsunderes because I am a tsundere in real life, and I can't even be frank with a made up character in a made up situation. It doesn't help that my love interest can't catch a drift both in and out of character

>>14826419

Just what is happening there?

>>14826452

IIRC the PC was stealing, guard comes over but instead of the typical "Stop right there criminal scum!" he decides is rape time.

>>14826423
That is called being rude a.k.a. an asshole.
I feel like a Japanese comedian here.

>>14826397
Why is hygiene an axis?

>>14826444
>Japanese stuff tend to have a wide variety of personalities when it comes to girls

AH HAH HAH OH WOW

>>14826429
I think the situation is substantially more nuanced than you think. How your character acts should be a gestalt of his or her own native predispositions combined with his or her own experiences and finally with the climate and expectations of his or her own culture.

Gender plays a role in that, but it is by no means one of the largest.

My female characters....are not edible.

>>14826444


You're still talking about Japan, right?
You know, the continent still all fucking about cultural suppression in women? That they are taught, ingrained, and expected to behave a certain specific way?

>>14826462
The difference is that I don't want to be rude, but I find being polite embarrassing.

>>14826462
Men are either manly or not.
They are either clean or not.

>>14826464
There's something like 30+ distinct archetypes in regular use over there, each with their own specific name. Off the top of my head, nearly all western comic book heroines are a variation on the action girl.

>>14826471

>You know, the continent still all fucking about cultural suppression in women? That they are taught, ingrained, and expected to behave a certain specific way?

I am not sure if westaboo or troll

>>14826423
Our Inquisitor-sister is Tsundere to everything.

>>14826471

To be fair, no more than ours.

Except we let our T.V.s raise our kids for us instead of our neighbors.

>>14826444
A "wide variety of personalities"? You mean the whole MOE~ phenomenon, where every character is important depending on how cute they are?

>>14826474
Tsundere is defined as rude behaviour towards someone you like in order to mask your true feelings.
No person can always act like that.

My two current female characters are, mostly by accident, at opposite ends of the spectrum on this and the normal alignment axis . . . Social Girly (who is also Lawful Evil) and Antisocial Tomboy (who happens to be Chaotic Good). Funny how these things work out.

ITT: Guys who watch maybe one anime a year which they don't like are apparently experts on the cultural tropes of their fiction

So replace the OP 3x3 with comic book characters. It can be done, right?

>>14826509

Everyone's an expert!

>>14826509
>Implying I'm not a qualified expert in Japanology.

>>14826486
>highschool of the dead picture

Hey, pal, thanks for proving my point.

Am I the only one that plays borderline psychotic hyperviolent little-girl-lost characters as a norm?

>>14826444

The reason is simple. Japanese are a lot more open to sex and romance than people here in the USA. Seeing anything remotely close to romance in a western cartoon was impossible, while Japanese had stuff like Sailor Moon where everything was about the power of love.

By Christian standards, a woman who has a boyfriend or lover is implied to have sex with said lover. And having sex is wrong.

So, sadly I have to agree. I don't read many comics nor mangas, but I've watched many cartoons and animes, and there is an abyss of difference between them.

Just compare, lets say, Code Geass to StormHawks.

>>14826525
Yes and you are a terrible person. Glad to have you with us.

>>14826526
>power of love

>>14826518
>implying that the characters of Highschool of the Dead are not all immediately distinct from each other

>>14826529
>Implying a strong character of any gender cannot 'represent an idea'
Better call up practically every writer of fiction ever.

>>14826518

I'll have you know HotD has a very unique and enthralling cast of female characters.

>>14826481
But being clean is not a character defining trait.

>>14826486
It is absolute truth. Females are suppressed more openly in Japan. As are pretty much all things society has a problem with. This leads to endless amounts of frustration and eventually to old people being beaten up by youth for being so repressive, what makes public even more afraid of young people, and the likes.

>>14826536

Not that sort of love, brah.

I'm Antisocial Tomboyish IRL. Feels good.

>>14826526

But most of this has to do with Ted Turner's animation ghetto whereas Jap producers seemingly didn't give a fuck about what their studios made as long as it sold.

But the near-permanent status of cartoons as solely for children turned the Western comic market niche compared to the Jap manga market. I also have to respect their constant creation of new IP compared with our very legalistic and corporate dominated market where it's all about iconic-character-branding.

>>14826545
It is for men. It's either Hygene or Pecs.
And Sissy Pecs sounds odd.

>>14826526

Also, death and violence. I remember watching Saint Seiya ages ago and I was like WTF at the concept of bad guys actually dying. And good guys.

And seeing the whole "dramatic villain" thing.

>>14826526
That's been changing since the 90s

DCAU had plenty of sexual stuff, starting with TAS and all the gold diggers, Barbra's borderline "daddy" complex for Bats and who in the hell coud forget.

LEEEEEEEEEESSSBIIIIAAAAAAAAANSSSSS

>>14826450
J-jeeze, Anonymous, it's not like I cast Cure Light Wounds because I like you or anything!

>>14826526

BUT STORM HAWKS IS SUPER XTREMEEEE!

>>14826529

Dammit. What does 'represent an idea' mean? Becuase if that means a theme I'm kinda screwed with my characters. They tend to have a bit of a theme, from 'Anacronistic Knight' to 'Thieving Witch'. It's far from all of them but as an RPG character, I generally start from a bit of a theme.

>>14826529
The michelle rodrigeuz bit had me dying.

>>14826526

The reason is that japanese make cartoons for many different audiences. There are children stuff like Pokemon, stuff for older audiences like Fate and pretty adult stuff like Berserk.

That really never had much success in the west. I remember the Spawn series on HBO, but that is the only mature cartoon I can think of. Here most people still think cartoons are a children thing.

>>14826571

I can't find myself on the chart. I was trying to play badass adorable. I had a church militant psychic with freckles (I shit you not) in a Dark Heresy game. I guess I was pretty social and tomboyish personality-wise.

I definitely didn't try for the straight-up wandering around in skimpy armor seducing people. Although I did once disguise myself as a prostitute to catch a suspect by surprise. In my defense, I didn't have sex with him and it took about five minutes for the plan to turn into a firefight.

Kept the dress though. It made me feel pretty.

I'm Danish. My racial ability is Social Chameleon. That means I am all at once, or individual ones when I want to.

Basically what I am trying to say is that none are my preference.

>>14826563

I grew up outside of the U.S. for some years, and I remember watching both American and Jap stuff on satellite programming. I didn't understand the difference, but I could tell there was a difference. I loved Tom and Jerry, especially the musically-choreographed episodes. Those were unique and couldn't be compared with other shows. On the other hand I watched G.I. Joe and Fist of the North Star.

Then Captain Planet, followed by Macross.

I felt the American cartoons (that weren't old Loony Tunes) were just patronizing. The other shows, while weird as fuck for my young head, just didn't give a fuck and let me enjoy the show.

I remember the first time I explained to my dad what was happening. He only watched old Popeye back in his day, so when I told him that the black afro lady was crying because her boyfriend was a pilot that just died battling the aliens, I still remember his bewildered stare to this day.

>>14826543
... so it's about teenage prostitutes?

I can get into that.

>>14826543
...All of which are oversexualizes cliches.
Just because Japan has systemically organized cliches does not mean they are less so.

Most evidently when more female characters assemble.
Take any 2 harem themed animé and you will find the exact same characters over and over.
Mostly even voiced bythe same seiyu.

>>14826606

Just the merchandise alone shows that. Just look at the stuff from the last Batman movie

Western toys: $10 Batman with shoulder missile launcher.

Japanese toy: $100 1/8 batman with awesome detail.

>>14826529
>>14826588
The "Represent an Idea" thing is made of retardation and needs to be removed.

The chart in simplified form
"Is she a strong female character" >Yes>"Strong Female Character"
V
No
V
TvTropes

>>14826645
Teenage prostitutes and their school nurse in a zombie apocalypse, bro.

It's good shit.

>>14826651

Well damn. That Batman looks awesome.

I thought all Japanese could do were soft featureless chicks

>>14826571

The problem though is that this is a relatively niche market trying to appeal to its aging fanbase rather than a general acceptance of sexuality as a common topic in our cartoons.

>>14826606
ITT /tg/ finds out that Japanese cartoons are better than Western cartoons.

Have a crossbreed (that is awesome and also a Magical Burst campaign idea.)

>>14826679

If you are talking about cartoons then yes. Sadly the Japanese own us and badly.

>>14826651
...Are you really trying to compare movie merchandise to merchandise made for a tv show aimed at children?

high school of the dead was total shit, though

>>14826690

Bullshit

This is identical to 90% of your animes.

>>14826640
Most American action cartoons had a toy to push.

In order to be allowed to push a toy (Something not even POSSIBLE before Reagan) they needed to have a "Moral" or "Educational" factor.

>>14826679
Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt thread?

>>14826679

It's not as simple as that. It's kinda like the difference in our education.

America's bottom-line is below Japan's bottom-line (and more expensive with better wages for the labor involved). But our very best far exceeds the best Japan produces. And Japan agrees, they love Pixar just as much as we do.

>>14826693

Nope

>>14826701

Not really. Anime encompasses a ton of different genres and styles, as with any other medium.

>>14826708

The world is not yet ready for PSG the RPG... or is it?

>>14826708
If you're gonna troll, bro, don't pussyfoot around. Go balls deep.

>>14826720

Ugh. As a /co/mrade this makes me feel sick.

Camo outfit? WTF

>>14826651

And their population is on a continual decline thanks in part to an ever-increasing influx of losers who buy shit like that and never leave the safe confines of their apartments.

>>14826701
Nope.
Chinese Mechanical Batman to the resque!

>>14826716
>our very best far exceeds the best Japan produces.
>doesn't know studio Gainax or Aniplex
Bitch please

>>14826663

Does anyone even have an idea on what it means?

>>14826746
>Gainax
>Best

lol

>>14826693
No, he isn't. He's talking specifically about the movie merchandise. The merchandise was just a bunch of toys for children in the West, while Japan got stuff like in the picture.

>>14826742

Chinese electric batman in response.

That said, it tickles me that on some japanese image board they are having this same argument, but in reverse. And the world goes full circle~

>>14826327
no they can't. in no edition of D&D has that been the case.
the reason "True Neutral" is used is because it takes the place of "Neutral Neutral" which people find awkward.
Good
Neutral
Evil

Law Neutral Chaos

LG NG CG
LN NN CN
LE NE CE
there is no such thing as True Good, True Chaos etc.
It seems you dont understand the concept of Neutrality.

>>14826746
Ugh. Don't use Gainax, dude. NEVER use Gainax in an east vs. west troll-thread. They will never recover from the disappointment that is Evangelion, no matter how many add-ons and remakes they do.

I think I finally understand the difference.

American producers are busy keeping themselves in the black and gravitate towards exploitation of their market with proven brands. They are hamstrung by what they believe will or wont sell, or what will and wont get them in trouble with investors.

Jap producers were more free to throw money around thanks to looser bank investment policies that ran their economy until it couldn't keep up anymore today. That let them make and push all kinds of shit to the general population without too much fear of making return. Today, moe is a symptom of having to be more independent and push for BD/DVD sales (or figma if you're Sunrise).

Antisocial? More like tsundere!

>>14826736

You should see the rest. And yes, that is official movie merchandise.

>>14826672
>DCAU
>Not for kids.
What are you smoking?
(Also DCAU is over, the new DC series stuff are from their own universes)

We have too many people thinking that "Action" needs to be "Anime" these days, like the Thudercats remake.

The only reason people are so latched on to ""Anime" as action is the lack of any western action outside of DCAU.

(Speaking of DCAU I grinned like a motherfucker at this continuity nod, because the Grey Ghost episode was pure awesome)

>>14826724
>PSG the RPG
https://yarukizero.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/magical-burst-2nd-draft1.pdf

Not hard to change a few RRRRRRRRRURRRRRRU and then make a campaign that goes in the same vein.

Hell you could even use MaidRPG.

>>14826722
Actually, dude, MANGA, encompasses many genres.
Anime, as a whole, does not.

>>14826786

How is it not the same for both, pray tell?

>>14826786
Yes it does?

Are you stupid, or do you not know what "genres" are?

>>14826746
How about Madhouse?

They operate on the wrong Continent, I tell you.

>>14826763
>They will never recover from the disappointment that is Evangelion,
>single handedly saved the studio
>one of the most memorable animes ever
>rebuild being fuckawesome
Its still not a very good anime, but its definitely decent.

>>14826793

They're very hit and miss, making a bunch of mediocre shit to fund the stuff they actually care about.

>>14826786
Yes it does, and it is exactlythe same as manga does. Because most animé is manga conversions.

>>14826774

Wow... it's real.

*Runs off to stat up Brief or Garter as support characters

>>14826793
Madhouse as an animation studio is good. But for ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL they're pretty much the worst.

>>14826716

As much as I love our comic industry I am yet to find ANYTHING as awesome as this. Both art and story wise. Is like fucking Warhammer Fantasy in manga.

>>14826811
If you want to stat them you're better off running to MaidRPG. Magical Burst is extremely rules light (on purpose).

>>14826766

Also there's the distinction between various literature markets in America and comic book writers. Japan regularly does animated movies, ovas and tv shows based on popular novels. You don't see a lot of that kind of branching over here. It happens for certain movie/vidya tie-ins, but nothing like Spice and Wolf getting its own manga and anime because producers thought it would work.

>>14826815
>But for ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL they're pretty much the worst
>Anything by Satoshi Kon
>the worst

NOPE

>>14826835
Forgot my P&S image

>>14826820

>Comparing WH Fantasy to some shitty manga

Nope.jpg

>>14826838

Light novels are not the same thing as actual novels.

>>14825785
You left out the third possibility: Forgettable.

I played a female character in my last D&D campaign. It didn't come up much, and when it did it was mostly just pronoun confusion.

>>14826806
Hit in the West, never bought in Japan.
So they really hit while missing.

>>14826854
>Calling Berserk shitty
10/10

>>14826838

>Suddenly Danielle Steel and Stephenie Meyer based cartoons.

No thanks. Popular literature in the west is total shit.

Social Tomboyish.

>>14826820

And at the same time there's the complete opposite stuff like this.

I won't lie, I do like the way the Japs work with their frames and flow than in most comics I've read. Likely it has to do with how much time and energy needs to go to drawing, inking and coloring each frame of a comic book compared with a usually black and white manga page.

>>14826799
Yup, decent. It's also pretty much the genesis (lol pun) of the weeaboo.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true. And for this we must always hold SOME contempt for Gainax, no matter how much FLCL rocked our socks off, no matter how P&Sw/G hearkened back to the glory of 90s western cartoons fused with all that is good in anime. Neon Genesis Evangelion is the reason we have to put up with pic related.

>>14826880
STOPLIKEWHATIDONTLIKE.jpg

>>14826859

And they don't have to be for the benefit of intellectual movement to be true here.

>>14826884

Which is the specific problem of our literature market in general.

>>14826902

No, I'm fairly certain that's because of DBZ. Evangelion may have reinvigorated the giant robot genre in Japan, but it's impact in the west was fairly minimal in comparison.

>>14826884
And this is the plainest generalisation possible.

>>14826894
Needs Nihei. He studied architechture.

>>14826894
What about Dorohedoro? (trying to follow the storyline is an accomplishment in itself.)

>>14826902

Naruto is the reason you have to put up with Narutards and nothing else. We all hated pretentious-fags treating Eva like a masterpiece, but these aren't the weeaboo we complain about today.

>>14826938

And pretty much pioneered the modern take on framing which Ellis would introduce to the west.

>>14826902
>mfw it's true

>>14826902
Maybe 5-10 years ago. Today its anime that actually airs in America like your pic, Bleach and the worst of all, One Piece that stands for most horrible weeaboos.

Also you forgot to mention Reach for the Top: Gunbuster 1-2, Mahoromatic (adaption) and more.

>>14826966

What's wrong with One Piece?

>>14826914
Except Berserk, with a few caveats, is great across the board if you want gritty high/low fantasy.
Good characterization, good plot, great fucking art, funny when it feels like. It does have a lot of parallels to WHF, now that I think about it, in it's core themes.

>>14826966
Well, I don't see emo kiddies run about in OP costumes.
Just sayin'. Don't start to argue. Just prove me wrong.

>>14826952
But it GOT THE BALL ROLLING. Evangelion made anime "cool" and "trendy." It was the mature television program for mature television viewers such as themselves.

>>14826941
>>14826938

Both fantastic artists.

But it's technical skill focused rather than visual direction and aesthetic. But again I like the Old World charm.

>>14826985
I was more flashed by GitS, but have it your way.

>>14826966
That's the point, man. Before Evangelion, you just had Japanophiles sending each other VHS tapes of obscure anime they'd imported. Then NGE bursts onto the scene and suddenly anime is EVERYWHERE and fuckwits are going on about how superior and deep.

Yes, pretty much every year there's a new big thing creating weeaboos, but NGE started it.

>>14826989
I am so loading Otoyomegatari right now.

>>14826985
>implying that wasn't Cowboy Bebop, an anime far worse than NGE

>>14826997
I don't think you're getting his point. He's saying that NGE was what created the pretentious weeaboo. Ghost in the Shell didn't cause it. It's what made YOU like anime, but did it turn you into a pocky-scarfing otaku who curses the roundness of his eyes?

>>14827028

But neither did NGE.

I mean, there was nothing in Eva that could contribute to today's weeaboo that they didn't develop themselves through their own love of Naruto/Inuyasha or whatever. DEEP and pretension didn't need Christian crosses blowing shit up to develop - just look at the fanbase for other popular shit that people obsess over. They think the same things about their show.

>>14827028

Why couldn't Ghost in the Shell have created the "pretentious weaboo"? It was one of the first anime-related things to get recognized as being something other more than a children's cartoon, and no, Eva didn't have the gravitas you seem to think it did.

>>14827028
No, it made me a gaping hull for 90minutes.
And after that a smug arts lover open to all sides.
Yup, you are all right. It was the easily impressed children that got the wave coming.

But I cannot but be thankful for their blissful ignorance. They made me get Drifters and Franken Fran and a huge number of other things translated.

>>14826978
What's RIGHT with One Piece?

Besides the porn.

>>14827021
>>12-year-old MC
>>not a whiny, angsty brat
>>fights for his waifu and mans the fuck up all the time when she needs him.

>>14826588
I usually take it to mean 'character is a metaphor for some socio-political idea the writer wants to bludgeon the readers with'. Having readers identify a character with real-world issues on their own is fine, as that's interpretation. but deliberately trying to create a soapbox from which to espouse your beliefs is annoying and tends to make the character less interesting.

>>14827070
Holy shit there was a new Franken Fran on may 1st

>>14827054
Because it felt too realistic. Reading the manga or watching the anime, it felt like it was actually about the real world politics and intrigue.

Young'uns does days don't give a shit, they just want action and over the top bullshit to satisfy their escapist cravings.

>>14827027
There were animes in the west for YEARS before NgE showed up, that "Armor samurai" thing that I forget the name of, DBZ, a bunch of Gundams...

>>14827009
.5/10 I responded, but only as an addendum to another reply.

>>14827072

Actually decent pacing, especially in comparison to most other SJ stuff
Nice elaborate backgrounds
Fun characters, and pretty lavishly created setpieces
A fair balance between humor, action and tragedy
etc.

>>14827092
Also important: AKIRA
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>>14827101
You muthafucka, you forgot about YOROIDEN SAMURAI TROOPERS?
Also called Ronin Warriors?
I still have the fucking toys, that show was goddamn awesome.

>>14827142

Robotech and Voltron as well.

>>14826902
I would blame the weeaboos on Sailor Moon. At least that's the first anime I can remember being shown on TV here in Urop.

>>Eva, Cowboy Bebop, GitS, Ronin Warriors, Akira, Voltron

And yet none of these shows actually had a hand in creating the modern weeaboo, guys. Mr. 90's pretentious artfag, sure, but not the Narutard.

>>14827187

There was also Outlaw Star from that time. I love that show so.

The only thing I can add to this thread is that there is a lot grittier topics in anime. We get the sex in Sealab 2021, Aeon Flux and such but it's far from Berserk's Graphic Demon Rape. Western cartoons don't really have nudity, which I'm guessing is just some weird Japanese thing. Batman Beyond (Batman of the Future) has really horrible implications.

Bad Guy (not incredibly evil, but selfish evil) phases through all matter. Cannot stop phasing. Falls to centre of earth where he would either die of thirst after a few days, be suspended forever or manage to control his phasing long enough to be burn/crushed to death. Batman helpless to prevent his fate.

That's pretty much up there with Now and Then, Here and There's child-soldier/rape/torture in my opinion.

So anime has an extra market that caters for ... the depraved (for lack of a better term), obviously Hentai is in that camp and then you have gray series like Berserk which are part anime and part fetish fuel. Western Cartoons haven't really tapped into that market, it's still a mostly story telling medium. As far as I know.

>>14826606
Exo-Squad was pretty mature for its demographic. I love that show still.

>>14827185
Heidi, Kickers, Maja the bee...

>>14827187

Nothing beyond Naruto had a hand in creating the Narutard. It's this generations DBZ, and created a fandom to match.

>>14827101
>>14827154
Hey I didn't forget it! I'm just shit with names, hell I forgot what Outlaw Star was called for years, it was just"That show where the guy has a magic grenade-gun thing and a ship with arms and lots of little robots, one of them pink, and a robot gir that plugged into the ship with a tank of liquid" (Though I have met dozens of people who also forgot the name too)
Show was awesome, I missed the "Take the fight to the demons" arc sadly.

But yeah that was Voltron era stuff.

>>14827230
Kickers came before sailor moon? Can't really remember that, I usually had school when that stuff ran.

Maja and Heidi don't really count. The only thing that makes the animes is being produced in Japan.

>>14825838

My Pathfinder group actually had an incredibly proper and girly Dwarf Barbarian. She wore frilly dresses.

>>14827215
Well, this is vastly owed to American prudery.
Japan had a lot of brutal and sexually explicit stuff where the West had problems with it.
But this is not owed to cultural openness but to the laxly controlled market in the time.
Japanese authorities just had no interest in censoring the media. Thus there was almost a race to more violence and more nudity.

Today no one would even think about doing stuff like devil man.

>>14827224
>ExoSquad
>mahnigga.png
That was one of the best cartoons ever, right up there with BtAS.

>>14827313
Fo' realz yo. I just wish they'd put it the fuck out on DVD so I can have it forever and ever.

>>14827313
My face when Europe never got that because too brutal.
At least for Germany...
Well, tits to compensate.

Also I don't see a lot of this kind of satire comic over here. If it's done, it's usually done as a gag focus on South Park/Simpsons/Family Guy.

>>14827341
We didn't get GI Joe either, so it was probably the socialists/conservatives in control of the media until the early 90s. They even removed the Simpsons from the public channels because politicians were complaining.

>>14827331
I've wondered for years what's taking so long, it's a Warner production right?
>>14827341
>mfw Europe missed out on the cartoon that had racism, classism, and what it means to be a human being as it's core concepts on top of awesome mech war action
Damn. You may get tits, but at what cost? Exosquad blew my fucking mind growing up. I asked my mom why everyone was mad at Marsala, and got into this huge conversation where I came to understand elitist thought.

>>14827368
Well, that might be because satire of western origin tries to make a point once by overexaggeration.
The Japanese take a satiristic motif and make a whole whow about this one concept.

>>14827245

Oh hell yes Outlaw Star. Still my favorite Anime. Also a really cool universe, would have loved to see more done in it.

>>14827341
>>14827386
>>14827402
Europe is not a country, dumbfucks.

>>14827386
>>14827402
For far too long have conservative old farts reigned over German television!

They even shoved this man's show into late night program because they found his humour inappropriate. Look at this man! Does he look inappropriate?

I remember a time, a single short hour ago, when this thread was about playing female characters, not about male characters who only look female...

>>14827450
Rien de visage quand.

>>14827451
It doesn't really matter of which political colour the old farts reigning over german telly are.
Luckily, It doesn't matter anymore since the internet's around.

>>14827450
We try hard to become one!
So shut up already!

Oh, and Italy had this one. Note the name of the little ninja driven by revenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbiKfsG4n0s&feature=related

>>14827441
I think this is one of our major differences, at least for our geeky subcultures. We're obsessed with universe building, fluff, and continuously reusing or retooling it for another plot.

Japan, though, seems to pickup, consume, and drop stories and universes every other day. I think only UC Gundam shows break this general pattern where they try to inhabit the same universe. Even then it's nearly always a setting that moves the universe forward in time.

>>14827450
You can easily divide the EU into three parts.
The part that trolls: UK
The part that pays: Scandinavia and Germany
The rest.

>>14827493
And private television.
Just look at this screaming idiocy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiVLqHa0a4s

>>14827517
Germany should not be lumped with Scandinavia. Not ever.

Seriously jesus fucking christ how wrong can you be?

>>14827517
On another level there is Germany and France asthe ones who rule.

>>14827526
Should I spilt them into
The "part that pays in the north" and the "part that pays in the middle"? Would that make you feel better?

>>14827539
We pay, thus we qualify to be counted amongst those who pay.
This grouping is not culturally, not politically, it is monetary.

>>14827498

Yeah. Which is a little sad, they went to a lot of effort to give Outlaw Star a cool universe and actually fleshed out a lot of it, like when the grappler ships are used (Only way to arm a ship without getting shot on sight by the space forces, retooled construction equipment).

I fucking love you guys.

>>14827570
Well, Western media tend to reuse Universes.
Japan tends to reuse character concepts.

>>14827539
He's probably from the UK, and as such is trolling.

>>14827570
They had planned on a new season, actually.
It got canned, just like Big O season 3. And Berserk season 2.
Proof that Japan fucks it up when it's not cute moe here is your waifu and tits bullshit.
God knows how HnK got anywhere.

>>14827610

You serious? Damnation. The series ended well enough, and I'm glad for that but I would have loved another season.

>>14827610
>And Berserk season 2.
Really? They cancelled that?

>>14827610
Big O season 3: Please ignore everything from the second half of season 2 and Enjoy.

Kinda like how Capcom got pissed about Dead Rising and didn't let them make 2 for ages.

Fucking assholes have tons aof americans willing to throw money at Big O and Outlaw Star but nooooooo "The local market doesn't like it"

>>14827604
Such is life in Britain.

>>Are you just going to keep running away!?
>>Just keep running away?
>>*dooo*
>>I'm not running.
>>DODODODO DO DO DODODO

>>14827649

I would toss them a thousand from my savings in a moment for either of those. Both of those shows we bloody brilliant. Big O was a kickass mech show with awesome characters and Outaw Star is probebly the best...well, I have no clue how to classify it...space western fantasy?

We're over 200 posts in an no one decided to show off their neckbeard by naming all nine.
I'm proud of that, /tg/, but I still have no idea who any of them are, save for Baiken.

>>14827688
True Tomboyish is Sabre from the Fate Stay Night "visual novel"/fapgame/anime or one of the millions of spin-offs it spawned.
No idea where the other characters are from, but I watched just one episode after it was recommended on /tg/ so the others might be from the same setting.

>>14827668
Outlaw Star was Bebop's goofy magical brother.

And Big O was "Batman with a mech" only the mech fights were more like Kaiju(Spelling? Godzilla style stuff) fights.

Also Norma+Alfred(TAS version) teamup would be the greatest show ever.

I mostly play female thieves who tend to fall into the Social Tomboyish. Currently I'm running a catfolk swashbuckler in a Dragon Mech game.

I have a recurring NPC in my Shadowrun game who might fall into the antisocial tomboyish. She's an ex-noble from Tir Tairngire with a VERY checkered past. (Was a special ops soldier for Tir Tairngire when the Tir invaded Norcal. Her unit was sent into the hills to hunt down Guerillas. You can guess what they did when they found them)

>>14827633
>>14827634
>>14827649
Berserk was in talks for a 2nd season for a few years before it got squashed due to rising censorship in japan.
Outlaw Star proved "too" expensive to produce and not popular enough".
Big O was FUCK YOU JAPAN FUCK YOU

>>14827731
>implying Cowboy Bebop wasn't ripping off Outlaw Star
fuck off

>>14827688

Well actually I know who most of them are. (though exact names escape me). Top left is the dancer from Dragon Quest (forget which number), top middle is from a JRPG with character designs by T2, top right is brown elf named Muramasa from a Nitroplus eroge. Middle left is Queens Blade character, middle also JRPG character from same game as top middle, middle right is elf general from Queens Blade, bottom left from Queen's Blade, bottom middle is Saber, and bottom right is Baiken.

Most didn't know them because they were almost all 'game' characters rather than anime characters.

>>14827742
>Rising censorship
>Japan

Does not compute.

>>14827742
>due to rising censorship in japan.
This always confuses me, I respected Japan if only for their "Hands off" idea of censorship, but these past few years I hear about all the awesome shit that japan was good for going to shit.

>>14827754
Japanese social conservatives are just as prudish and ass-pained as ours. The difference was politicians ignored them for decades until now whereas American politicians began sucking their dicks since the '80s.

>>14827754
They noticed that "loli" amounts to "shamefur dispray" for everybody in the west who isn't a weeaboo or paedophile.

>>14827731

I can't argue with that. Not that being the Goofy Magical Brother made it a bad thing.

I really wish there would be more mechs that fought like Big O. I am more than a little tired of mechs that dance like ballerinas but they seem to be the most common ones.

>>14827754
TV censorship has gone nuts.


Mostly so they can sell DVDs.

Though anything with a hint of incest has been being dropped out of mainstream magna things. There are technically obscenity laws coming out everywhere and it's seemed to have been getting worse just to spite them. Waiting for the first legal blow and the shitstorm to follow.

>>14827747
OS and Bebop were both FUCKING AMAZING, I would never pit them against each other, and resent your accusation that I did.

They came out in the same year anyway, so chill out about "Who copied who"

IM GONNA SLIT MY WRISTS

AND THEN I'M GONNA SLIT YOUR WRISTS

AND YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE HOLY SHIT YOU SLIT YOUR WRISTS HOW ARE YOU STILL IN WRIST-SLITTING CONDITIONS BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING DIE

>captcha has the n-word in it
THE PERFECT CAPSTONE

>>14827789
>I can't argue with that. Not that being the Goofy Magical Brother made it a bad thing.
Like I told the other guy, I would never hold the lighter tone and presence of slightly supernatural forces against it.

>>14827800
Doesn't most of Japan's porn industry exist because both, copyright holders and the government, don't take them to court?

I'm sure somebody here is more knowledgeable in that regard than I am, the only time I read stuff about Japan is either on /tg/ or in the economist.

>>14827789
Japan got tired of clunky mecha like west got tired of law driven cop shows. Japan got graceful giant robots and cop shows got larger than life charactures for detectives.

>>14827846

Yeah. The Japs are no where near as neurotic about their intellectual property as we are. Which is pretty fucking neato thanks to all the porn we get because of that conscious oversight.

>>14827849
I think one of the Law & Order shows is still running. What's the Japanese mecha equivalent to that?

>>14827072
>>14826966

Fuck you, One Piece is amazing. Pic related.

>>14826978
Nothing is wrong with One Piece.

>>14825764
>>14825838
My Ranger is a little TA, ST, and TT.

And it isn't hard to play a female ranger at all, I don't know what you're talking aobut

>>14827874

Gundam, obviously.

>>14827831

Oh yes. Both were great shows, though I must say Outlaw Star is a little closer to heart for me. Not sure why.

Also: Curse you japan, why must you taunt us by not making another season! CURSE YOU!

Hell, I'd accept a universe guide book, though it's likely been too long for that.

>>14827849

It's a pity. Clunky and Agile both have thier place but I think Clunky just doesn't turn up enough.

>>14827883
Isn't that the show where one alien race has 10 stories high women?

>>14827846
This is the 'original' work stuff and strait up comics. Not doujins which are under a whole different pile of shit. This is the stuff of boarderline porn but doesn't quite make it that is sold at magna places. If doujins were sold even with the legitimate commercial stuff they'd be sued into the ground. It's weird legal shit over there.

>>14827913

No, that's Mazinger.

>>14827902

Personally I like clunky, but only because it's usually given more detail to seem more mechanical and massive. The new Gundam Unicorn OVAs are pretty fucking neato in how everything is still fast, but the detail of movement means things look and feel heavy when they move around.

It also revived my faith in the Gundam series having thought it would be nothing but SEED melodrama or 00's boring until it started outright trolling story.

>same "girly armor / battle dress, what do" thread that's been spammed every day for the last three weeks
>/tg/ embraces it
>/tg/ unironically talks about how great anime is and how detailed fap-characters are
>no opposition or outcry of any kind
>mfw summer is here and i must scream

>>14827913

Nah, that's Macross. I enjoyed the Original Macross and Macross Frontier but never got into Macross 7 for some reason. Havn't seen the others, any of them worth watching?

>>14827913
That's Macross and it went the way of harem shit.

>>14827937

Just because /tg/ likes some anime doesn't mean it's summer. It's a rather good conversation, better than a lot I've seen on /a/

>>14827934

I'll have to look into it. Thanks.

>>14827939

At least it still has Yoko Kanno writing the music.

>>14827934
>>Gundam Unicorn

Oh God, that OST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Ea_mJ5hzE

>>14827962
>Just because /tg/ likes some anime doesn't mean it's summer.
Read: Just because it's stupid shit doesn't mean we're stupid.

>>14827939

Macross Plus is amazing, the best in the franchise IMO.

>>14828021

Macross Plus? New or an Older Series?

Either way, I'll take a look. Thanks for the recomendation.

>>14827937

So? What's your point. I only stay on /tg/ I play multiple tabletop games but also enjoy stuff like one piece and nostalgiafagging about shows that were awesome when i was growing up.

Also like it or not there's a fair amount of Japanese anime influence on people who play PnP games.

And, if this is as bad a summer could get then I'd be happy, but no it's the fucktarded copypasta troll threads and the endless porn spams or the gore posters that make summer such a shitfest.

>>14827937
>thread full of fa/tg/uys waxing about the awesome days of anime and cartoons where shit was made of fuck yea and awesome, not moe, WE MUST COPY GENNEDY or CRAWLING
>somehow this is bad

>>14828043

It's annoying how people go "HERP DERP SUMMER" when only the rare ass highschool lets out this early. It's colleges that let out around this time.

>>14828007
Ghost in the Shell was here, your argument is invalid. Some gratuitous, passive fanservice from the main character, but an otherwise incredible show.

>>14825852
Texted based browser game? Are you sure you don't mean a MUD, or something like that instead?

>>14825764
The only female characters I actually played were a)crazy cat lady psyker with motheaten robes and loopier than River Tam on a bad day, b)a techpriest with less normal human priestess and more LOGIC ABOVE ALL, REMOVE INEFFICIENCY, ALL HAIL THE MACHINE GOD. Also, parent issues.

So...I guess True Neutral for the latter

>>14827939
Macross Plus is amazing, Macross II is like the nostalgia of youth, Macross Zero is a visual tour-de-force, Macross 7 is gay. I've not yet watched Frontier but I hear it is awesome, then again the guy who tells me this also really liked fruits basket.

>>14827939
Also if you like macross you'd love exo-squad.

>>14828007
Nope.
Read: This is /tg/. We take this conversation where we want.
Also: Sentiments against Japanese popculture at large are mispalced on 4chan.

And yes, I am aware of my necromancy. Assemble, my threads!