>>16510464
Did you make sure that the contract specified that it wasn't ALSO a man?

Okay...good news is...I'm back down to four planar girls. Bad news is, I'm back at the school somehow and the girls are a lot more...aggressive.

None of you ever amount to anything, don't worry, I checked.

Now lets get this over with...

Yes I can.

No you can't.

Yes, but backwards.

Fourty-two.

No, I'm not telling you next week's lotto numbers.

The Barbarian school wins the football game. Big surprise.

>>16510568
Remember my theory about how she wants to know how cool you are with involving more women?

>>16510586

You can't travel through time! That's impossible! Fornat's First Theorum on extradimensional teleportation forbids it!

>>16510586
Can you take it up the ass?
>Yes I can.

Say I'm a barbarian; can I be defeated by a spellcrafter?
>No you can't.

Can you fuck yourself?
Yes, but backwards.

What's your personal dick-sucking record?
Fourty-two.

What are next week's--
No, I'm not telling you next week's lotto numbers.

I bet on the Barbarians next week - good bet?
The Barbarian school wins the football game. Big surprise.

rolled 71 = 71

>>16510591
I doubt it, she's hooked up with a fucking druid and his fucking wolf. Male wolf. Male druid. Extremely male druid. I don't want to sound like an ass, but I've heard rumors about druids and their animal companions, and the dude looks pretty hard-gay, what with the oiled muscles and the silky fur outfits

>>16510673
And what is wrong with fur and leather as clothing?

>>16510586
Ladies and gentlemen, here we have the reason why the self-proclaimed "chronomages" are insufferably arrogant even by the standards of magic-users. Face it, you're just glorified Diviners. In fact, I'm not convinced that you're not simply a Diviner that's learned Teleport and decided to run a giant con.

>>16510673
She sounds like a whore.
Why does this make you think she doesn't like women?

>>16510673
Oh god...
I woke up just now.
I think we piled on too many wards.
Never was very good with those.

I think those four should go away soon. Just... I gave you a scroll of banishment. Very powerful. Use it on one if she gets unbearable. If you have to, threaten them with it so they behave. Maybe you can get some answers.

>>16510696
Hate to tell you this, bro, but when you go with greasy, long hair, bare, oily muscles, and a skimpy-ass diaper made of uncured leather, that makes you look really, really gay. Why do you think the Korgoth of Barbaria woodcuts are so popular?

>>16510716
What happened? I saw you get jumped on by one of the yugoloth girls, and then nothing.

This is bullshit. This damned professor keeps using her bees as a punitive measure for not paying attention in class. What if someone is allergic?!

>>16510739
Then they have a reason to learn remove poison.

>>16510648

Nonono, you messed up the order. It's alright, most people do. The linear notion of time is somewhat ingrained.

Here let me walk you through it.

>>16510627
"You can't Travel through Time"
Yes I can

>>16510648
Can you take it up the ass?

No you can't.

Say I'm a barbarian; can I be defeated by a spellcrafter?

Yes, but backwards.

Can you fuck yourself?

Fourty two. In some timelines I'm a woman.

What's your personal dick sucking record?

Skipping that one, No I'm not telling you next week's lotto numbers. Let's just skip ahead one.

What are next week's--
The Barbarian school wins the football game. Big surprise.

I bet on the Barbarians next week - good bet?
You die alone and unloved in an old folks home, buried in your own filth.

Whoops, wasn't supposed to mention that one. Lets just leave it alone hmm?

>>16510352
Not just the non-standardized learning environment (though I do see the value in it for those unable to learn in a more traditional manner), but also because most of them ARE crazy she-bitches. I think there's a note of radical feminism in the theology that mixes with a sense of entitlement most of them seem to have that drives 'em nuts.

I just avoid them like the plague. Hot as they can be, they aren't worth it.

>>16510568
I'm sorry I missed you. Did you know that there's two stores on his street with the same sign as his? He might want to look into it. Anyhow. If you're back at the campus, I'll swing by and see what I can come up with. Just stay in the quad.

>>16510673
My old roommate was a druid. Hard gay and the sweetest guy you'd ever meet. The bestiality is just a rumor, though. Unless you count changing your shape to match what you're sleeping with, and then it's just being considerate.

>>16510586
Fag.

>>16510769
Ha! Jokes on you, I can't get old!

Well, lets see what's out this...

Well. 'ello then.. Must have blown a fuse there old girl. Where and when am I now?

>>16510776
>>My old roommate was a druid. Hard gay and the sweetest guy you'd ever meet. The bestiality is just a rumor, though. Unless you count changing your shape to match what you're sleeping with, and then it's just being considerate.
Sorry, I guess I'm a bit bitter about the whole breakup thing, didn't mean to be insulting to druids in general.

>>16510826
Between that and the Wicca thing, you're really good at that.

>>16510776
>Not just the non-standardized learning environment (though I do see the value in it for those unable to learn in a more traditional manner)
Aren't you a cleric?

>>16510769
I've heard the chronomancy recruitment spiel about a dozen times already, skipper. It doesn't impress anyone. Maybe if you didn't speak gibberish, people would take you a bit more seriously.

And honestly, all but the extremely academic aspects, the pure research stuff, can be done and done better and more efficiently with a smidgen of divination or fate manipulation and a healthy dose of kinetomancy.

The research aspect is interesting, but no more so than any other field of study.

>>16510736
Oily and... Ah... I see, you mean those "barbarians" who are just long-haired distractions to the female eye. They are merely fantasy figures from lusty stories for lonely women. Nothing even close to a true barbarian. Nobody could look at the one called "Fabio" and say "I think that is Gornod Frost-Iron!" without laughing, nor could they look at me and think I was that womanly-haired fool. To think they are barbarians is to have no idea what a barbarian truly looks like.

>>16510824
Get back in the Sci-Fi genre Tennant! You have no place here!

>>16510847
Sorry, this has all been just a bit of a strain, and I'm kind of new at this anyway. I was apprenticed to an isolated wizard until now, went to college to finalize my degree. He was...less than kind to other branches of magic, not even sure how much has rubbed off on me. He also crammed ten tons of theory down my throat without bothering with practicalities. It's hurt my grades something fierce, I'll tell you that much'

>>16510447
who is the artist of these photos? i've seen quite a few lying around and I quite like them.

>>16510873
I'm just saying, maybe next semester take Religious Studies. It's an easy A if you actually pay attention, and it'll do you a lot of good.

>>16510847
A cleric who's going to university, thank you very much. I do worship a knowledge god.

>>16510826
He'd forgive you in a heartbeat. He got used to the whole negative rap druids get. There are a few sects that have earned their bad reputation, but they tend be non-interactive with other druids and such, and keep to the tribal areas on some worlds.

>>16510848
You try pulling complete artifacts out of a closed double loop with just fate manipulation and kinetomancy.

Honestly, people overlook most of the combat applications of that 'reseach' chronomancy.

>>16510873
Well, I don't think I was violated.

I'm missing a lot of stuff. Can't remember what exactly was a component and wnat was just destroyed.
It's all a blur.
Your ex is going to be expelled for this if they can pin it on her. Witchcraft does include summoning magic.

>>16510911
Yeah, I don't think a cleric, even one going to university, can say much on learning environments

>>16510933
Gravity. A lot of it.

>>16510960
One dimensional movement?

I was talking about a double loop right?

I suddenly feel out of place in this debate. Hm.

>>16511040
So wait, why are you so anti-magic? Didn't your hovel have a wise woman or something?

>>16511040
It helps to contact your past self every once in a while, fill em in on whats going on.
I think barbarians might call that a 'vision' or something.
Just hire a mage to do it.

>>16510948
It's really not much different from a normal university. It just has a more religious bent to it. And since the temple reveres knowledge, it feeds back into the university style. And teaching priests are allowed to teach as they please so long as the casualty rate's low and they show results. So you get a good mix of teaching styles, the majority of which tend toward traditional lecture and directed instruction.

I really don't see what you're getting at.

>>16510984
Gravity manipulation still affects four dimensions and bleeds into the fifth just by existing. Space and time are inextricably connected, tiger.

Biomancer here. I just want to know who was the fucker that reanimated all the living tissue on the cell culture vats. I know that we share the same faculty with the necromancers, but please don't be jealous because we get more resources than yours.
It wasn't funny the first time, and now it's just irritating.
Also, please stop stealing our skeletons.
And to that one dude, you-know-who-you-are. Your catgirl clone of the dean of divination is ready. She still thinks that this experiment was "destined" to fail, so come get here before she realizes that we repeated the experiment enough times for her to fail her divination.

>>16511040
Who do your people use for magic? Bards? Sorcerers? Clerics? Druids? Something else? I'm honestly a bit curious here what you culture considers 'acceptable' magic.

>>16511054
Because academics do tend to come off as know-it-alls. Especially us OUT guys and this gentleman right here. >>16511057

>>16511060
Listen, I know a lot of clerics. My mom was a cleric, my aunts were clerics, almost all my friends from 1st to 100th grade are going to be clerics, and I can tell you, "learning environments" are not what they're good at.

>>16511068

Can you tell the Awakened Queen Bee professor that teaches the Biomancy classes that it is not cool for her to use her workers to sting students as punishment for stuff?

>>16511040
Just ignore the self-proclaimed time traveller. He's a braggart who loves nothing more than the sound of his own voice. Although it must be said I am a little puzzled as to why you are so interested in a thread based around those who study the magical arts, something you have repeatedly professed little interest in and great contempt for.

>>16511054
Not a "hovel", really, but yes, my clan has a shaman and two farseers as her apprentices. She communes with the spirits of nature, the elements, and the ancestors, and interprets dreams and visions to help in guiding our clan. Otherwise, outside of religious matters like that, magic is not terribly prominent for my people as a whole, much less the regulated and elaborate complex rituals being discussed by these others.

I am not "anti-magic", I just fail to see the point in making it all so complicated and measured and detail-focused, when the old ways of primal magicks seem to work perfectly fine, from my experience.

>>16511068
You know full well the necromancy students get extra credit for grave robbing. Putting a guard of some kind on your own assignments should be the highest priority.

>>16511076
The shamans, farseers, druids... those who commune with the primal heart and roots of magic... that makes sense. Constructing complicated and elaborate rituals and measuring things into obsessive little details seemingly more often than not just to prove you can do so... baffles me.

>>16511130
>Not a "hovel", really, but yes
Is it above ground? Then it's a hovel.

>>16511130
It's not for you, bro, and that's fine. You wouldn't catch me signing up for a class on Diabolism or Practical Violence or Agri-Studies. Those are for people interested in them. I'm not terribly interested in living like you, and you don't seem to be interested in living like a student. It's fine, I get you. Just remember that some people enjoy finding out the minutiae of things and puzzling out how they work.

Look around your tribe and you'll probably find one or two bright kids who like doing just that, and would benefit from a structured (or at least better equipped) teaching environment.

>>16511106
I also know a lot of clerics. I am one. I live with over a thousand. I am taught by several dozen. I live and study in a temple, and I've been on exchange programs with more.

My study sample is a bit bigger than yours. Not ALL clerics are good at teaching, no. Hell, lots of them aren't. But the same holds true for witches and barbarians and tanners and coopers and dribblers.

Still don't see what you're trying to get at.

>>16511130
>>I just fail to see the point in making it all so complicated and measured and detail-focused
The way my master explained it to me...
"There are, at the very least, one Prime Material Plane, three Transitive Planes, six elemental planes, and seventeen Outer Planes, and potentially dozens to hundreds of thousands of each. Magic is drawn from these other planes, no matter its school or method, and understanding the nature of the planes is thus vitally important if you do not wish to suffer unexpected and unpredictable effects in your magic. What good is a healing spell if you draw from too strong of a Positive Energy sphere and cause the poor soul to explode? What good is a fire spell drawn from a plane of heatless fire? Theory and practicality in planar research are inextricably linked; understanding the planes is understanding magic, understanding magic is controlling magic, and controlling magic is power at its purest."
He was...a bit of a blowhard, but a good teacher.

Just got back from an exam in Dark Ranger 101, it's an advanced class. Apparently there use to be an age limit on entering. Silly Elves they're really the slowest learners, they seriously take 20 years to learn something that should take 2 years?

Anyway, the teacher tried to harp on me about "using weapons of steel and iron". She believed that I should be using a bow, or in dare straights a crossbow. She gave me a F because I didn't do it "properly".

What BS was this? I bested everyone in the exam. We had to summon bunch of skeletons, cast some basic curses, channeled through our weapons. The time was given was 3minutes. I did it all in 1.5 minutes, and doubled the distance.

I'm taking this up with the dean of Dark Arts and Dean of Engineering. I should have the right to have a firearm instead of a bow.

>>16511172
To understand magic better and use it in more and better ways.
Everything has an inherent order. Everything follows a rule.

>>16511234
There are rules in even divining visions, however much intuition you use for it.

>>16511210
Aah dat Elven arrogance. Even the dead ones act like they're better than you.

Seriously though, the examiner should have brought this up before the test even started. Letting you take the test with prohibited (by their standards) equipment is insanely sloppy.

>>16511204
I like this guy already. I'll have to find him sometime. Incidentally, I've got a couple more banishment scrolls for you if you still need them. Look for the one-armed dwarf in the quad.

>>16511267
On the one hand? Elf-Bashing, yay.
On the other hand, Elf-Bashing, I'm probably included.
Oh well.

>>16511204
His words are just words, and needlessly long.

The shaman knows this - to heal the sick and wounded, you speak to the healing spirits of nature, for nature is full of gifts to those who seek it. For luck in battle, ask the blessing of the ancestors that when you fight, their might is with you. To order the snow and wind and rain to cease, or to call down the thunderbolts or draw up the flames to protect us from enemies, the spirits of the elements are to be pursued and tamed.

That is enough for us, why muddy it with the same thing said by too many words?

>>16511292
I'm going to fill you in on something:
They probably know all the complicated stuff, and they don't mention it to you guys.

>>16511107
Sorry about that. Also, tell that the one dude that is still twitching because of that one mutant bee with nerve poison that we can reconstruct (most of) his paralyzed neurones.
Also, if anybody sees a "very classy rat with a tophat stealing books" (I don't know if that is the exact description, gosh, I swear all of those engineered rats look the same), please deliver it to our lab. It's not a druid, and don't let him seduce anybody else with his strange accent.

>>16511308
Seriously, this.
Good shamans make it look much easier and simpler than it is.
Spirits and ancestors hate being woken up.

>>16511308
I am unsure what you are suggesting, but it sounds almost as if you suggest our shaman to be a liar to her clan. Weigh your next words very carefully, for I may be tempted to make them your last.

>>16511292
Frankly, the reputation barbarians have for wild magic says they -don't- always understand magic as well as they should. Wild Magic is always the result of someone accidentally or deliberately calling power from the wrong places, and it happens disturbingly often among barbarian peoples.

Vice-Dean Laybourne of the

I don't know what I'm gonna do guys. I've been attending Greenvale Community College to get my basic rogue certification, because I didn't have the experience point average to get into a better technical college, but yesterday I saw Vice-Dean Laybourne threatening to split the Use Magical Item Annex from the rest of the school! What should I do if the college I'm attending suddenly runs out of funding this semester?

>>16511327
It is not that they lie, but that you do not see all that they do.
For only they can speak with the spirits, rouse the ancestors, and there may be more than you are privy to.

>>16511341
Considering how inaccurate many other claims of my people are, I would be wary of thinking that one true as well, were I you.

>>16511327
Not a liar, someone who doesn't tell them things that don't concern them and that they don't need to know.

>>16511327
They probably are. They hold their secrets dearly and only give them to the ones they chose to replace them.
This way, only they know how to harness magic in the barbarian tribes, and keep their power and respect. If their secrets were known by the common men of your tribes, the shamans would be nothing, and they fear that.

>>16511310
Snrk. Too late. I saw it behind a pillar on my way in with a trio of freshman ladies. Lucky rat. Check the sorority houses.

>>16511292
One, for the sheer joy of discovery. Two, to do the same thing, better, for lower cost and hopefully greater effect. Three, because I wanted to know. Four, there's nothing stopping me from learning except my own motivation and talents. Five, if discovery was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me.

Lastly, because all knowledge is valuable, and it is my duty and privilege as an Oghman to learn as much as I can.

>>16511354
I am content with that. The ancestors blessed the shaman and her apprentices with the gift of communing with them, and that gift is in turn a blessing to our people. Had I been so blessed, I am sure I would know things as they know, but I do not. And while I do not, they do, and all are happy either way. That is good enough for me.

>>16511404
I'm sure YOU could harness magical power if you were to get your shaman to told you his/her secrets. The problem is precisely that.

Gods very, very rarely care about mundane problems.

>>16511368
Power? Fear? By Cruach's iron teeth, man, you speak as if it were some noble's game of control. You know nothing of my people.

>>16511431
And who are you, to presume to know the thoughts of the gods?

>>16511327
Lying is such a...vague term. She's just not telling you the details. If she told the whole house, then it would just take one foolish kinsman to spread her art to anyone.

I just got ran over by a very unlike troll and her halfling boyfriend, who was riding on her shoulder. So it starts. The college students spew forth from their dorms and harrass the nearby towns with their newfound skills.

So. Um. Guys.

If I could ask you all a question?

I'm going to be attending college next year, and I still need help as to what to major in. I've been wanting to do Necromancy, but I hear good things about Alienism.

If you guys have any advice, it'd be loads of help.

>>16511454
First you slyly suggest the shaman lies, then in your weak apology you suggest my people are fools?!

Run fast, and run far, for I think I like this place too much to stain it with your blood... which I shall, if you continue to speak.

>>16511437
>>16511450
You truly lack the drive to know, you don't want to be better. You like being mediocre.

In EVERY CULTURE people will want to be in control of other people, to be above. It's an universal constant.
Ask yourself just how many benefits your shaman has. Or who gets first picks in any feast. Or who has the most valuables in your tribe. Or who tells your tribe chief what to do.

By the way, this is the world of mankind, not the "gods".

>>16511503
Only a fool would endanger their people, be casting secrets about freely like water. If you cannot understand this, then you are probably one of those relatives she's worried about.

>>16511501
You'd have to be insane to pursue Alienism. Literally. It's a course requirement: Must have this many insanity points on an official test to pursue this course. It's a 'black major' that's not going to win you any friends in the working world, but I hear its practitioners don't care about that.
Necromancers are a bit more reasonable. They tend to have a...odd sense of humor, and they're a 'black major', but they're all in it together, for this life and the next.
Personally, I suggest conjuration and transmutation, and Planar Studies, but then, those are my major and minors.

>>16511437
Unfortunately, in most tribal societies, that is exactly the case. And shamanic magic CAN be taught to anyone. Even you. Some may have more or less talent for it, or more or less desire for it, but that doesn't stop you from actually learning it. Spiritual blessings do not a shaman make, nor do shamen automatically have the blessing of the spirits. There are a few studies of evil shamen who bent the spirits to their will, rather than offer themselves in supplication or even offer a bargain with 'em.

Most often, the shaman not telling you things is because they just aren't interested in teaching, and most tribal members aren't interested in learning what they have to teach. In a lot of cases, this turns into a power game, and ends up with them quietly running the tribe.

Not saying that's the case with your people, just that this is most often the case with tribal societies.

So just got back from talking to the deans of the Dark Arts and Engineering. They're making me the very first professor of Gun Mage 1332. I asked who the dean would be. It'll be under both Dean of Magic & Dean of Engineering.

They state if I'm alive at the end of my tenure, I have chance of becoming Dean of Gun Magic. My class will be how to teach young Gun Mages, the art of dueling.

I asked why me? It was apparently the only possession they could think of. Also it was a way to keep the archery folks happy. The pay's not bad, I'm getting 12k a year. I'm told I'm allowed 5 months paid vacation.

Looked at the roster and so far only 14 gun mages in the entire school. Next year they're apparently getting as many as 100. I guess it's becoming a major problem.

Thoughts?

>>16511501
Necromancy is saturated. There are just a lot of necromancers because of that "live over death" thing that they use to have. Good necromancers are hard to find.
Alienism is kinda cool. However, somehow you begin to realize that everything is connected to ancient aliens, and not everybody can deal with that. Also, there aren't many job opportunities because the oracles can read the stars pretty well.
Probability Magic is the shit these days. However, there is a 50% of chance of non-existence, and most of the people working there have critical existence failures from time to time, but it's like Wild Magic, with a little bit of science in there. Or not. Also, for some reason they all hate cats...

>>16511531
After all this, still your words come forth, yet now your sly tongue suggests that our shaman would lack wisdom in her choice of who to teach... AND you now imply I myself am a fool?!

GREAT CRUACH ON YOUR SNOWY MOUNTAIN, SACRED ANCESTORS IN THE SKIES, GRANT ME STRENGTH, THAT I MAY SLAY THIS FOOL FOR HIS POISON WORDS AND STRIKE HIS LYING HEAD FROM HIS SHOULDERS!!

I will NOT allow your viper's tongue to continue defiling the glory of my people.

DIE.

>>16511547
I've probably been talking to the wrong people about Alienism. Tentacles probably should've tipped me off.

But anyways, I think I might end up doing Necromancy, it seems like the best choice. I almost got a scholarship for some work with it back in high school, and I kinda like it. I don't really think my dad would approve, though. Cleric of the Cudgel, and all that.

>>16511598
>>Wild magic
Seriously, do not get me started, bro, my master was quite insistent that wild magic is the cancer killing arcana, and I'm getting tempted to dig out his lecture on the subject.

>>16511593
I don't really see a problem, as long as you can borrow an archery range for training.

>>16511625
That's just academic dick-waving. There's a reason that a Fateweaver/Wild Mage duo is overwhelmingly the rapid response or search and destroy setup for combat arcana units.

>>16511660
Is that because fate weaving is one of the only ways to control wild magic, and without the fateweaver they'd be just as likely to make things worse?
Seriously wild mages are only useful as tools for better mages to work with.

>>16511593
As a minor in archery that brought rifles, I'm switching to gun magery right this instant.

>>16511612
And this why you're fool, you don't want to deal with possible truths.
bah, barbarians.

>Harlem Quest
>How To Play a Necromancer 301

>>16511625
Just a thing. Was your master "Ephraim, the keeper of knowledge", or that one witch with the peacock dress? Because creating a vortex of wild energy and being torn to shreds because you sneezed on the middle of a wild fire spell was atrocious, but it's still damn funny.

>>16511723
>>Ephraim, the keeper of knowledge
>>Witch in peacock dress
Neither of those, he went by the moniker of "Vair the Wise", lives in an isolated tower in the Blueleaf Forest near the village of Viridian Hills. He's a planar specialist and a conjurer, has a lot of theories about how all magic is planar-based and that infinite power is available by tapping the right plane at the right time. He thinks wild magic is people intentionally or incompetently tapping semi-random planes with their spells.

>>16511692
Wild Magic affords an incredible amount of power hoisted on a short and fragile leash. It's magic for nervy, quick-witted wizards and it is unsuited to long-term spell layering and calculation. That doesn't make it invalid. Wild Mages tend to be excellent problem solvers and investigators because they always have to be two steps ahead of everything, even their own magic.

A Fateweaver is backup, a controller to hold off the worst effects of an uncontained Wild Magic eruption. It's still a team of two halves. If it weren't for the stigma and yellow journalism surrounding the research of Wild Magic, we'd probably see a lot less Fateweavers in those units.

>>16511638
Meh. Who needs Archery Range? I'm ordering a bunch of Goblins, I'm going to use them for target practice for my students. They're small, fast, and living. I'm thinking of press-ganging some Artificer students, to roll out the magic bullets.

Just got back from observing some the new students, my new students. These guys can barely hold on to their weapons. It's going to be a long year, luckily I've enlisted some time mages. The classroom is going to be at 1/4 normal time, by the time they're finished with my class they'll be hot shot duelist.

Shame that only 5% will survive. It's written in my contract, that only the top students are able to leave. Why? Who knows. That archaic rule was never enforced in any other class.

>>16511552
First this other fool with his sly tongue soils the honor of my people and shaman... and now you, whom I had begun to consider an ally and friend, say such words to me... making me uncertain of what I have believed - no, what I have KNOWN - since I was barely of age to be free from my mother's teat...

Why?! Why do you speak these things to me, make me doubt?! Is there no man, no voice, I can still trust without questioning it?!

>>16511813
Have them duel with each other toward the end.
Easier to get it down to a couple good ones that way.

itt: incredible amounts of wankery

>>16511825
To know is to question, friend. To trust instantly and not seek answers is to be blinded, and to not learn and not grow is to be the living dead. Step back and examine yourself, and your tribe, without your preconceptions, and come to your own conclusions. You might just be surprised by what you realize.

>>16511825
He's got you there, chief. All he's asking you to do is step back and think. If it turns out you're right, great! If it turns out you're not, then you need to find out whether you're comfortable being wrong, or if you need to find a new truth.

Either way, you learn.

>>16511862
But I am content with my people's ways... I do not wish to be the ever-hungry-for-knowledge never-satisfied slave to magic that I see so often in the world of spellcrafters...

Mine are a simple people, not weavers of sorcery... I do not wish to lose myself and forsake them.

>>16511916
There is a middle ground.
Not all is sorcery in this world, and not all is your people.

>>16511916
We're not slaves to magic, we're people curious about how the world works. And fact is, there's a whole lot of territory between 'question nothing' and 'question everything'. You're in the former, but you don't need to jump headfirst into the latter. Just stop and think, and don't get caught up in pride.

>>16511916
Sometimes I envy people who can be content with not knowing, but I myself find ignoring knowledge an act that gnaws endlessly at me.

>>16511779
Oh, I see.
That's interesting, because I need to write an essay about how forcing probabilities while doing magic could lead to interesting results, like an overall empowering or simplifying the casting process, and most of the traditional wizards seem to hate Wild Magic because one or another incident that somehow happened when they casting spells.
The planes theory is interesting. Do you think that fateweaving, non-linear spellcasting theory, or dimensional magic could help reveal the secrets of randomness behind spells?

>>16511916
>>16511930

No one said you had to. I still regularly contact my family despite my ravenous hunger for knowledge, and maintain most of their traditions. It may not be as often as I'd like, but I still make time.

But, again, no one is saying you have to do any of this. No one is forcing you at spellpoint into a university. We're defending OUR presence in them, though some are doing it by belittling your culture at the same time.

At any rate. Give it a try. You might find you like it.

>>16511952
Dimensional and non-linear should get the best results.
Try getting a diviner to help out, too.

>>16511952
The way he explained it, Fateweaving is tapping the Astral Plane, which theoretically connects to everything, everywhere, and a combined form of transmutation and divination. So, theoretically, it might be of great help. Problem is that organized study of wild magic is...problematic at best, and impossible to get funding for. Master would prefer to eradicate wild magic as a blight on magical practice. He's far from the only one.

>>16511937
But... it does not... it does not feel right. I am a warrior, a fighter, not a shaman or farseer... it is not my place to explore such paths, else I would have been given such blessings from the start. My hand is meant to hold an axe or a sword, not a wand or staff. This is the hardened body of one meant for combat, not the nimble mind of one who studies...

Argh! Cruach's iron teeth, why must you all pain my thoughts with such doubt!?

rolled 2 = 2

The hell is going on? What's all this noise down here? What are you kids..Get off my damn lawn!

>>16512043
The greatest warrior fights with his mind as well as his sword. Are not the greatest heroes the brilliant, quick-thinking generals and warlords who forge nations? No one built a legend off of a man who simply did what he was told and accepted what he was told. Heroes are those who defy that which restricts them, and who fight with the mind, the soul, and body as one. Right now, you fight with soul and body, but leave the mind to rot. That makes you a good warrior, but a poor hero. So do you want to be a great man, or merely an acceptable one?

To the summoners on the thread.
Had anybody managed to summon a Laplace's Demon?

hey guys, just started here, and ultimately heard there was a party on campus.

where is it?

>>16510506
>Did you make sure that the contract specified that it wasn't ALSO a man?

Yes. Along with every other variation that might make her anything other than a supernaturally gorgeous 20something woman who also happens to be an extremely powerful Fae.

>>16512077
No man who has seen me fight, or stood alongside me in battle can say I merely accept orders without thinking like a base soldier, but that I am as cunning in tactics and clever in wit as any city-dwelling man.

That is not where my doubt lies. It lies in the idea of forsaking my strength of body for strength of magic. Never have I seen a sorceror who was not powerful in he arcane-weavings that was not slim of arm and frail of body. I fear this weakness. If the cost of magic is a reliance upon it, if its use means I can no longer lift my sword or draw a bow, then to hell with your wizardry! I do not wish to see myself grow withered and infirm until every last hair on my head goes from brown as the new-turned earth to white as the snow on Cruach's great mountain, and maybe even then I will fight to retain my strength from being claimed by the passing of years. I will not let my might be the price paid for magic, as so many others have.

>>16512043
I'm all for keeping the males at the front swinging a sword. Just know that the knowledge of that which is beyond is known to your people, and it is the verdict of your elders to keep it from you.

Or, I'm a witch and I just like planting doubt in your mind.

>>16512195
Magic per se does not render you frail, lack of exercise does. Most magic students eschew physical training because of lack of time or just not being interested in that (me being an example of that).

There are some mages that not only were strong of mind, but also strong of body, like the renowned Muscle Wizard.

>>16512195
There are many ways to have both magic and power. The path of druid or cleric are open to warriors, as is the path of the warlock, warmage, and battle-sorcerer, not to mention the psychic warrior. There's a warmage class right here at this academy, and a psywarrior correspondence course.

>>16512142
If you're looking for a party, you can take some of my wine. Legal Drinking age is 21 here, can you believe it.

>>16512228
>>Muscle Wizard.
Oh Pelor...Wasn't he banned from the academy after his one visit completely demolished the south wing?

>>16512100

no laplace I'm afraid, but I did do a maxwell demon recently.

they make for great air conditioning.

>>16512254
There's a good reason you can't say "I cast FIST" in the campus without getting swarmed by guards the second after and then brought no one knows where the second after.

>>16512178
>20something
Ha! You're a pedophile!

>>16512250

man, I think I'm underage then...easy enough to fix ;)

>>16512239
War-mage... Battle-sorceror... these words intrigue me... they do not sound like titles given to a frail-bodied weakling who knows more of the smell of old books than he does the feel of a sword in his hand...

Tell me more of these things.

>>16512298
Whatever, enjoy the wine.

>>16512306
A war-mage is a magician who focuses on magic as a way to boost battlefield prowess, either by enhancing his natural strength via spells, or using mighty, destructive evocations to bring enemies down in droves.
A battle-sorcerer is similar, but less refined, preferring swift, rapid-fire chains of spells to a single mightier spell.They usually prefer buffs rather than evocations. Some also learn the art of conjuration, to summon allies, either spirit or outsider, to assist them.
Both are available to a warrior who wants to learn to enhance himself with magic.

>>16512306
It's simple: they're fighters that boost themselves in battle with a magic school of your choice. Obviously, some studying from books is required for the magic part, that part is inseparable. Don't despair, the campus is well equipped for the physical training.

Knowing you, you'd have to prove your physical strength once and then just attend the magical classes.

>>16512250

thanks for the wine...never had such with stuff a fun color and the detect magic made it positively glow.

so are you an orthadox, conservative, or a reform witch?

>>16512346
>>16512352

Your words ring with truth, and sound quite worthy of examination. But I am not reckless or thoughtless... I shall consider this, and decide later if it is worthy of time and effort. A single man on the battlefield, calling up death to his foes and protecting his allies, both with spell and blade alike... This is a thing unknown to my people, so I shall not approach it uncautiously.

>>16512306

Did you know that your innate ability to Rage is in itself magic?

Emotions converted into power are arguably the oldest form of magic in existence; the Barbarian (as opposed to the barbarian) is simply one who has honed one particular emotion to a razor-sharp point and wields it against their enemies.

But rage, while powerful, is merely one emotion, and there are certain things for which other emotions are more effective. Fear, sorrow, love, joy, determination, regret, belief... all of these things have their own power, and their own uses when channeled through your body and soul.

>>16512428
>>belief
Aren't Favored Souls just people who manage to channel enough raw belief that they connect with a god's plane?

My 2 magical cents.
Any human strong enough can bend reality to their will without magic. I have seen warriors strong enough to punch death in the face and send her back to her cottage (a nice one on the woods, if I'm allowed to say so) when she was coming for them. I have seen warriors going through hell with the only objective to bring their beloved ones back to the realm of the living. I have seen warriors fighting forces of nature and winning, and I have seen masked warriors making monsters explode with one well-placed kick.
Just train hard enough until you reach perfection, and even our ephemeral lady of magic will be able to bend to your power.

>>16512399
Yeah, I'd go easy on it. Real easy.

I'm a reform hag, specifically.

>>16512440
Just don't try this shit with the Lady of Pain.

I was in Sigil doing some work on my Portals and Teleportation thesis when I saw some poor schmuck get on her bad side. And then, two seconds later, on the street, the walls, the nearby pedestrians...

>>16511842
That's what I plan.

Also we've had our first death today. Poor sod, no one taught him not to look down a barrel of a loaded gun. He misfired and before I could stop him, he looked down his barrel and shot himself.

On the bright side, they found about 100 gun-mages from another campus. Since I'm the only gun-mage professor in the school system, they're sending all the gun-mages here.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to teach these fools how to shoot. Most these poor saps have little more than cantrips under their belt. Honestly, what's with these kids? I know that it's an inborn ability much like Sorcery, and you have to hone it. However it's like their parents threw them into the nearest magical college when sparks come from their fingers.

Starting next week, in real time, I think we'll be ready to start our first adventure. It would seem that majority of the students never owned a gun. I found out that Gun-magic is now listed under the Liberal Arts for Archers.

Seriously? Who put that there?

>>16512509
Probably an elf.

>>16512449
It's not belief in a god, necessarily. It's simply... belief. In anything you choose. Belief is the one thing that can change the nature of a man.

>>16512509
Looks like some elves just can't deal with new things, as usual.

>>16512526
>>Belief is the one thing that can change the nature of a man
I thought that was Regret.

>>16512428
>>16512459
Hah! Indeed, this is one of the greatest truths known by my people. Greater than any magic, more ancient than even the primal forces themselves, is the soul and will of man himself. The great solstice bonfire itself is ice beside the fire of a fearless man's determination to be the victor, and even the high mountain that is Cruach's throne will crumble to sand before the man who is of a strong heart will break.

>>16512509
I'm betting it was this fucker.

>>16512541
It is... but only if you believe it to be so.

Reality Twister here. When they're recruiting, it's all "AWESOME POWER," and "Get whatever you want!" They leave out the 6 years of philosophy on whether reality needs to be tweaked, the thousands of hours of classes on how to fix damage other mages have caused before you can do anything, and all the maths and engineering you need.

Above all, I hate Philosophy. I've got some crazy old ghost claiming that there's some kinda force going through all creatures and it's cause by bacteria.

Not after I graduate.

>>16512546
Not exactly "greater than any magic", just a relatively easy to access form of magic.

>>16512459
I see what you're saying, but you're ignoring a very important part: Like >>16512428 said, that very focus and power is, itself, magic in its purest, most primal form. Why do you think even the strongest archmages can only cast so many spells in a day? They're using their own energies as catalysts. Their emotions, their lifeforces... That's the most essential component of magic. That's why you hear about those fighters who can turn their emotions into an outward blast of pure energy. It's the same energy that you describe, just focused outward at an enemy rather than inward.

>>16512568
Ha, and they think we're silly for having gender studies.

>>16512568
>>Not after I graduate
Phase 3 of Magic-Induced Megalomaniacal Delusion, hate to see people in this state. Remember, just because you -can- change reality, doesn't mean you -should-. That way lies wild magic and alienism.

>>16512399

No worries, I'm used to transforming into random shapes to compensate.


It's only fair to compensate... so here's something for your own use.

>>16512595
I have no problem with the idea of a energy going through all creatures in reality. I just think the "bacteria cause it" is stupid. I've already been working on it for my Thesis and I'm going to rig it so that they're simply a way to test the strength. It makes it fairer that way.

>>16512595
Combine it with Science-Related Memetic Disorder, on the other hand, and you've just become Senor Goodtimes, bringing excitement to everyone everywhere.

>>16512578
There you go, speaking as if things like this can truly be measured. Have you no tongue for poetry, must everything be so marked-off and set in boundary?

Have you never read of a warrior facing all odds, yet his focus and courage keeps him pushing onward where others had fallen and failed? That is the fire of which I speak, the unbreakable armor and ever-sharp blade that lay in the soul of a willful and determined man.

>>16512568
Excuse me, on the Congress of Applied Biomancy for the Future of Bioengineering, the Midi-chlorians were approved as microbial organisms capable of generating primordial energy and communicating between different hosts. In fact, we're cloning Midi-chlorians at the Biomancy faculty.
The only problem is the sudden invasion of ghosts with robes and light sticks. We're hiring Spirit Callers for dealing with them, if someone is interested.

>>16512642
>Have you no tongue for poetry, must everything be so marked-off and set in boundary?
Poetry is all about boundaries.
I know, my verbal components are in Quatrains made of Iambic Pentameter.

>>16512655
Define dealing with them.

And THIS ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't specialize in undead creation.

>>16512669
It is as I have said before. Let the dead stay dead. Even they know they do not belong in the land of the living - why else are they so often filled with anger, hate, and pain?

>>16512655
If that's true, what would be the best way to deal with it. I could will them out of existence, but that causes damage like stretching a rubber band too far. Eventually it breaks. And when the universe breaks, it breaks you instead.

I suppose we could rig some sort of afterlife for them, but that might cancel my philosophy credits with Mr. Won if he dissapears.

God, Reality bending is a pain in the ass.

>>16512306


I too have heard of Rage magic

>>16512688
Because it's the most basic and long lasting of emotions. Happiness? Fleeting. Love? Turns to sorrow pretty quickly if your mind can comprehend it, which requires full cognizence.
Hatred, anger and sorrow those? Those last a REAL long time.
Hatred especially.

>>16512669
Dealing as in "I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT DIVINATIONS, CHOSEN ONES, OR DERANGED MADMEN MAKING BAD MOVIES, I'M TRYING TO DO SCIENCE IN HERE".
The sooner, the better.
Also, I need someone that can deal with ethic issues. I'm sure "scoring with my own female clone" can't mean anything good.

>>16512750
Ah, you want an exorcism then, and probably some help with that other problem.

>>16512688
>why else are they so often filled with anger, hate, and pain?
Because Negative Energy resonates with those emotions in material beings. A skeleton animated by negative energy will of course only feel such destructive and uncooperative emotions.

>>16512733
Then I ask you this... why is it always those brought back unwillingly that have it? Zombies, ghouls, flesh-golems, all of them are seething in their own rage and desire to destroy the living. But those who, through one way or another, return on their own ... do not. Some are dark in their cravings, yes, just as some who are alive share black thoughts, but nowhere near all.

>>16512642
Even poetry has boundaries and rules. The human mind also does and emotions are pretty much nothing more that a myriad of chemical reactions going in the brain.

Yes, it may lose the "charm", but I like speaking of what things actually are.

>>16512642
Which is why realizing that this too is a form of magic is so important: unification.

Everything we call arcane magic, divine magic, psionics, qi, spirits, elementals, outsiders, fae, shades and all the other myriad forms that magic comes in; it's all just facets of something much greater. It's the song the universe sings to itself, and at the intersection of body, mind and soul is where you find the source of everything we are.

rolled 66 = 66

>>16512750
Well, if that's what you want, I'll do a slight tweak to make them stay away from you.

Do you prefer "Nasty Fart" or "Stinky Cheese."
Don't worry, it'll only be for ghosts. . . unless I screw up again. Um. . Does Tuesday still come after Wednesday?

>>16512786
Wait, you mean like Vampires and Liches?
They're just better able to direct it.
The only ones I've found any decent were Mummies.
Incidently, you guys have wild methods of making mummies.

>>16512787
No poetry, no charm, likely no beauty or joy either, only cold measurements and calculations.

Yours is surely a miserable and empty life. Death seems preferable.

>>16512786
Those you mention are nothing more than decomposing corpse reanimated with means that don't actually fully activate the brain. It only activates the most basic of the brain functions, the ones needed for eating and in some rare cases survival. They don't feel anything, apart the compulsion for consuming flesh.
As for the ones that willingly go undead, it is because not being living has it perks. You can be undead and still have the full range of human behaviour, but that's pricey and impractical for mass reanimation.

>>16512813
I cannot truly speak for other tribes, but the Frost Iron clan does not make these "mummies" you speak of. We burn our dead, that the spirits of fire and wind may carry their souls up to Cruach's great mountain so he can judge them worthy to either enter his great halls and share his bounty or be cast into the endless pit beneath his throne.

>>16512818
I actually enjpy "cold" measurements and calculations, and they're not the only things I like
For example, there's no day where I don't practice with my firearms. Or go trolling around the Aethernet.

>>16512818
Enough! We've now spent a great deal of time listening to your rantings about how our ways are wrong and lesser, while insisting that we respect your own. THIS is why your people are thought of as backward, rightly or wrongly. It's not that you don't all embrace our ways, its your constant insistence that anything and everything you don't understand automatically has no value. When someone dared to insist that some of your elders use such oh-so-horrible things as actually understanding the world around them, you threatened that person with death. You've made your contempt and refusal to consider our perspective perfectly clear, so why stay? We've shown you every courtesy, and now it's your turn. Show some gods-damned respect, or piss off.

>>16512733
Willpower is the most basic and long-lasting of emotions, actually. You could also call it determination, or stubbornness, or any number of other things.

You see, you can still survive without other emotions. Potentially without ANY other emotions, actually, although such an existence is rather unfulfilling. But without willpower? You die. At best, your body keeps running for a while after your mind goes away.

It's also why the original zombies weren't shambling things puppeteered by necromancers; they were people who refused to die so strongly that their sheer willpower brought them back. They're very rare, but there are still a few of them around today.

>>16512843
You can also be undead and use Polymorph Self.

>>16512889
And the really stubborn ones kept moving around even after what was left of there flesh rotted away.

Those are the nicer ghosts, stubborn as hell though. Much better than these annoying newer ones who stay "alive" by leaching energy from those around them.

I can see why the Biomancer would be pissed, they're probably sucking the life right out of his experiments.

>>16512843
That's something that always has bothered me.
Why is everybody so fond on the study of death? Death is just a chemical state. A process. Something totally avoidable. If a living being is a machine, a dead being is just a broken machine that can be fixed.
Studies about life are woefully underrated. While Wizards cheat death using arcane energy, Clerics avoid death by praying to their gods, and Necromancers just revive dead beings, nobody seems to care about life, except for Druids, but they are doing it wrong, because their philosophy deals with the balance, they don't harness the power of life itself.
Death is just way more popular than Life, and that's why us Biomancers are so underrated. But which respectable Wizard would want to specialize in life after all...

>>16512949
Or positive energy at all.

>>16512888
Can you truly say you would find a life with no poetry or beauty an unpleasant one? Such is my opinion that is one I could not bear.

And the one whom I threatened spoke in crafty word-twistings that were, at best, easily interpretable as subtle and sharp barbs about my people and their ways. Would you not find it insulting if such things were said to you?

You demand I show respect to you. I make the same demand of you, to me, in return.

>>16512515
>>16512531
Found it was freaking Elves. So finally I got the class to where it belonged, as an advanced option. I've also created a second class Gun Magic 101, that teaches the basics.

Gun Magic 101, I will supply you with a flintlock pistol or musket. Teach you the basics of firing and proper gun maintenance. Then on to casting simple spells, mostly evocation spells. Second semester we'll be working on curses and decurses.

Gun Magic 1332 will be the dueling, where I teach you more powerful spells. Mostly moderate curses, and decurses. At the end the class, everyone must duel till 5% of the class is left.

>>16512949
Life is not the concern. We are all already alive.

It is avoiding death that people seek, for it is the one thing that is, in a way, inevitable for us all. Kings and peasants, warriors and wizards, lords and whores, we all will eventally die. And I know of nobody sane who looks forward to it.

>>16512949
>Necromancers just revive dead beings, nobody seems to care about life,
We care about life. The problem is you're thinking the body is what powers life, and that's just nonsense.

>>16512961
>>16512949
There's a very simple explanation for this: it's a lot easier to recover from accidentally level-draining yourself or turning yourself into an undead than it is to recover from SuperCancer or Death by Awesome. Especially since the latter two tend to destroy the soul when they happen.

For every one person who becomes a master at using positive energy, there's nine who killed themselves trying and ninety who weren't stupid enough to try in the first place.

>>16513003
Speak for yourself bro, I'm a warforged.

rolled 65 = 65

>>16512949
Well, I'm working with life too, just on a grander scale. And I think the other answer is that Positive Energy is just harder to work with for some reason. Eh, probably some screwed up spell cast by one of my colleagues in the past, or even future. If I can find the error in the math of the universe, I'll correct it, but I'd have to find it first.

>>16512984
Instead of the duel, may I suggest 10% and a magical "burn" that makes it so they can't cast any spells until their aim has been judged corrected by you?

>>16513054
That's me. Accidently revealed my name.
>waves hand
That never happened

>>16512984
You better leave the idiot somehow managed to explode the chambers of two pistols and three rifles in one class stuck in 101 for this and the next year. And never move him from gunpowder weapons to anything more modern.

>>16513045
>No Afterlife

>>16513115
Hey, Warforged have had souls for quite a while now. Heck, ripping out a chunk of your soul is part of making them. Makes it dangerous as hell, and you can only have one warforged to a transplant. A crafter can make many warforged, but he can only make one warforged per person willing to split off a small piece of their soul.

I'm sure there's a way to mass produce them, but I haven't been taught that way.

>>16513161
You use bits of the worldsoul instead. It's harder to do, but unless you make an utterly fuckstupid number of warforged you won't drain it so badly that it can't heal itself.

>>16513054
Interesting. That could work.

>>16513073
Ahh yes. In that case they're better off with the Elves. I think I shall add to the class, how to repair your weapons, both on & off the field.

(Also we should make a setting out this. The school that is. With each class being something different made by the community. Flesh things out.)

>>16513161
>>16513194
I don't know, man. That seems like it could end really really badly. Better that it stay on a small scale.

Warforged, you call them.

I have seen such things, though rarely, in my travels.

What difference is there between them and common golems, save that one is driven by a bound human soul instead of a bound elemental spirit?

I do not trust such magicks. The soul should be no man's plaything.

>>16513032
>SuperCancer.
Oh, come on man! The SuperCancer outbreak was a TOTALLY CONTROLLED experiment that nobody will remember on the next ten or twenty-something years. The same with the magical AIDS, the spellplague, the "genome of a demon" incident and the overcharged "Cure Critical Wounds" samples.

>>16513005
The soul needs a proper vessel. Changes on the soul change the body and vice-versa. A perfect body with a trained mind make the soul ascend. We're just helping with the "perfect body" part. And maybe the brain, so you can train your mind better.

>>16513200
>>we should make a setting out this
We totally should, this is a ton of fun.

>>16513244
Totally controlled my ass.
It took 16 Archmagi Reality Shapers to undo the damage of those! Do you have any clue how hard it is to undo the death of every single person in the universe at once!

>>16513260
Ok we got a few classes down already.

Gun Mage 1332 & 101, ran by a new teacher. Expert Gun-Mage that uses a Shotgun.

Archery Major ran by technophobic Elves, only Bows & Xbows.

Major rivalry between Biomancers & Necromancers. Biomancers have an Awakened Giant Bee Queen for a professor.

Deans are completely insane, and are completely out of touch with reality.

School is on 4 planes and 6 demiplanes.

>>16513244
Nah. Unbound spirits got it pretty sweet.

Is anyone taking Scribing 101?

Teacher's an old arse who completely FORBIDS the use of arcane magic (Wow, really? What about the scrolls?) in his class. I swear the guy thinks he's some sort of 1600s European Inquisitor incarnate or something. All he needs is the damn warhammer.

>>16513318
Conjuring seems to be a popular major, and there are "White" (Legal, approved by nonwizards) and "Black" (Illegal, frowned on by nonwizards) majors, implying some over-organization of wizards that can't give half a fig for 'mortal laws'.

I remember that class. Easiest way around it is to use something that can't quite be identified as arcane. I got a "arcane to divine" scrambler around here somewhere, and if I can't find mine, I'm sure you can download a new one on Swashbuckler's Bay.

>>16513318

I think it was a regular queen bee.

>>16513260
(I heartily agree with this. OUT as a smaller offshoot of the main campus, maybe? Or just an associated university?)

>>16512949
Because Biomancers tend to be of the 'hahaha! I'll show them, I'll show them all!' variety, whereas Necromancers are a bit more staid and sedate comparitively. True, they're also pretty bugnuts, they're usually quieter about it. Wielding negative energy also helps people take them more seriously.

Mad Science, while attractive, is also BAD Science, since it means no one but you can benefit from your findings, if you bother to write them down at all.

>>16512973
No they didn't, you just took offense to what they said. All that was really said by them was 'think about it'. I've shown you nothing but courtesy, even defended and explained certain behaviours of yours, and you've dumped on academics and academia alike. I get that you find pure research a waste of time. I do. But my ways are no less valid than yours, since I have willingly chosen them, just as you have.

The difference is that I know the alternatives offered to me, and I chose this one, whereas you have blindly refused anything outside of your own sphere of experience. This makes you a very poor student, and an even worse man.

A real man wouldn't shy away from a new experience just because it's foreign to him. Man up, bro, and try it out.

Or do you wanna see what a drunken one-armed dwarf scholar-priest can do when he's pissed?

>>16513318
Usually Paladin moms tend to smite their sons if they study Necromancy.
There was one incident related with a "Muscle Wizard". Saying "I CAST FIST" gets you under temporary probation and at least half of the security guards take you to the dungeons for a ride.
We still don't know where the Dimensional Magic Class is, and we still don't know when the Time Magic Class is.

>>16513318
We've also got a pretty decent idea of what the campus is like. No actual layout, but certain buildings and campus legends/stories. On the broader side of things, we know that necromancy isn't automatically evil, and even lichdom can be okay most of the time, we've got a decent blend of magic and tech thanks to Gun Mage, which gives us some idea of what the greater setting may be like, and we even have a couple of barbarian tribes that the greater community trades with and occasionally sends people to live with.

>>16513318
>>16513376
>>16513260
>>16513383
>>16513379
Excellent! This may not be enough for a full campaign, but this is more than enough to keep most parties busy for a couple of one-shots.

>>16513379
Dimensional Magic class is on it's own demiplane. Try asking one of the people who passed it last semester for the key. They'll know what you mean. I'd give you mine, but I handed it to a friend a few years ago.

Time Magic was about 300 years ago. Go to the big clock in the library and set the hands to the time of the class and climb in. it'll bring you there.

>>16513342
Black majors aren't frowned upon, they're just more focused inward than other majors. They're also incredibly dangerous and highly regulated, though practitioners of them tend not to care about pesky things like 'law' and 'order' and 'sentient rights', and so on. Power at all costs is the most often cited motto of black majors.

Which is a shame, since they could do so much good for everyone else. Maybe it's why I gave up on trying Evil out and drifted right back to Neutral.

>>16513383
The Translocations department is inside a gigantic cube deep down in a remote location. All classes except Translocations 101 and 201 are in there. If you manage to pass them, you are able to get there.

it is said that the Dimensional Magic classes are in a demiplane of their own.

>>16513376
Peace, follower of Oghma. I see where my steps have taken me for good and ill, and in just this past few hours I have been made at least willing to consider what I once hated. Barbarian I may be, but just as Cruach on his great mountain is in his judgements, I am also a fair man. If you will it, I seek your forgiveness. My rage is my nature, and to misaim it is as foolish as ignoring it. I did not mean to allow my fury to get the better of me when there is not battle to be fought - a mistake made in weakness.

For some reason, I haven't seen any Spellsword in here.
I'll just assume that the Gun Mages killed them in their sleep.

>>16513383
The lichdom thing troubles me a bit, actually. With the usual views on liches, it would be kind of natural to go the Harry Potter route and make a powerful lich the BBEG of your Magic School campaign. The "otherness" serves well to make the villain unique in the setting. In a setting where half the necromancy students become liches as a final exam, though, it wouldn't work as well.

>>16513481
Well, you could always have the asshole running the Reality Shaping gauntlet be the bad guy. We are seen as rather callous and logical, and we don't mind having to wipe out a race to fix things.

Oh the stories I could tell you about some of the "Other" races that don't exist anymore.

Another choice would be our resident mad-scientist biomancer trying to make supercancer with force powers.

>>16513432
A clarification: Black majors are frowned on by nonwizards and 'mortals', and thus not so great for someone who cares about their opinions. Among students, it's just another major. See pic related.

>>16513507
HEY! WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PICTURE? WE WERE STILL IN TRAINING THAT DAY AND THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN LEAVING SHOTGUNS AROUND WAS BAD!

Did you guys hear about the scandal in the Illusion department? Apparently 101 and 102 needs a new professor because the old one got sacked for making his students believe that the witches in the class were all in the nude. Something about needless humiliation...I don't know the details, I heard a 3rd year talking about it earlier.

>>16513506
Trying to cure death sounds awesome in theory.
However, cancer cells are usually immortal cells. Do the math, add magic, and somehow, the Liches ended being the good guys on the scene.

>>16513481
Make it like Harvard vs. Yale.

Except we're MIT, and we shit all over both of them.

>>16513458
Well, good. Because I'm terrible in a fight. Total pansy.

And this, what you've just admitted, is what I, and a few others, wanted all along. To consider your ways and compare them to others and LEARN. Go out there and discover new shit, and learn new things, and find out just what those crazy scholars are talking about. And if it still doesn't strike your fancy then at least you've made an educated decision, rather than a blind one.

And if you need an example to help further you along, then let me tell you about my good friend Gorgorogorca Goresmash Bloodcrusher the Smasher. Yes. That is his real name. Yes, he hates it.

Gorgorogorca is ten feet tall and made of biceps. He can bench press two thirds of the university staff at the same time, and only barely break a sweat. He is a minotaur, and has a deep reverence for nature and the spirits, and talks often about them.

He's also a massive theatre nerd. He's constantly quoting from plays he's read, and poems he's heard, and is a regular at the coffee house on Thursday nights for recitals. He's... well he's got a good voice, at least, but he's trying to be an actor, and is working to get a serious role that doesn't involve lifting things over his head and bellowing.

Just like my friend (the bro-est of bros) you don't have to submit yourself to minutiae and pure research or anything. You can learn whatever you want, so long as you DO learn. If you want, if you come up here, I'll set you up in Agricultural Studies for a semester, or maybe you can work as a student aide in Basic Hunting Practices, or tutor Tribal Humanoid Studies.

There is nothing you can't learn, or teach, if you let yourself, buddy.

>>16513477
Looks like our barbarian friend is well on his way to trying it out. Or at least learning something new.

>>16513577
>>16513376
Thank you, Oghman. That's basically what I was trying to say upthread, but you phrased it much better than I did. I guess that Clerical charisma is more than a dump stat after all.

Both of the Necromantic University threads have now been archived.

>>16513609
It also gets you the ladies.

But, mostly, I'm hoping reason will win out. Reason and, perhaps, curiosity; that eternal flaw of the sentient condition.

>>16513670
I like cold hard reason. Although having a very low Charisma does hurt with the ladies.

Eh, if need be, when I get skilled enough, I can tweak my stats higher. That's Master level shaping though, and I'm just about there.

>>16513706
Or you could summon your character sheet and take a pencil and eraser to it.

Well, have somebody you really trust (or more likely a preprogrammed servitor) do it anyway. That moment between the erasure of an old stat and the writing of a new one puts your existence in some sort of a flux state, neither real nor unreal, which is a bad thing when it means you can no longer actually fill out the empty spot on your charsheet and thus resolve your existence.

>>16513577
I shall consider your words. While I shall never forsake my tribe or their traditions, you do paint a very tempting picture of things I can try. As for teaching, hmm... that may work nicely - perhaps I can, at the least, break a few minds free of the ignorant beliefs about my people and our ways. That alone, should I succeed in it, will be an admirable victory.

Cruach, I am not a man given to prayer often, other than war-cries seeking your blessing in battle, but this I pray to you - grant me your wisdom and patience in judgement, that I might teach others of my people, just as they have taught me of theirs... And if you cannot or will not hear me atop your great snowy mountain and grant me this gift... then to hell with you, I shall do it anyway! For this feels right, and I owe my ancestors the right to not be seen with ignorant's eyes...

>>16513790
They never mentioned those in class. So, these "Character Sheets," if I were to summon mine and just add a one to the front of my intellect, I would become smarter?

This sounds like a good way for the universe to get pissed off and kick me in the ass. I'm gonna have to do alot of fixing to build up the karma for something like that.

>>16513812
Yeah, I was wondering you do you guys deal with the reality backlash. Bad luck? Events vanishing? Lack of memory? Pacts with the Fatespinners?

>>16513799
Bravo, chief. Bravo.

And if you're worried about teaching? One of the best ways to learn is by teaching others. Half of the reason I ace all my classes now is because I offer my services as a tutor. It reinforces what I do know, helps me find out what I don't, and figure out those things that never occurred to me.

Good luck to you, skipper.

>>16513846
Well, to put it simply, for each action, there's an equal and opposite action. Now, if we can go though and fix enough of the reactions that never happened, the universe gives us "Karma points."

In Layman's terms. Fix other people's fuck-ups and we're allowed to tweak stuff. That whole SuperCancer incident basically payed my tuition.

>>16513812
The way to avoid that is to only do it when you really need to, and to change it back before the universe notices.

There'll be a seminar on it next semester. "Munchkins and Min-Maxing: How to Make the Rules of the World Your Bitch".

>>16513859
It is you who I should thank, for helping me this far. I owe you a debt of honor.

Should you find yourself in the northlands, past the Dragon's Teeth mountains, seek out those who bear the sigil of a black bear's head beneath a crossed longsword and double-blade greataxe. That is the Frost Iron clan... My clan. Tell them I, Gornod, am your ally... they will treat you well, like a lost brother. It is the least I can do for now, to tell you this.

>>16513932
I'll... I'll do that. I don't see me ever leaving the university, but a lifetime's a long time. Especially a dwarf's. And no knowledge is useless, just not currently relevant.

Someday I might get some use out of that Basic Wilderness Survival class. And maybe your honor-pledge.

Thank you for that, also.

>>16513950
Oh, that was not my debt, merely a courtesy. I am sure you will find a more fitting use to call up what is owed someday... You seem wise enough to not spoil such a boon on an idle whim.

And only now does it occur to me - I know not your name, while you know mine; until now I have only thought of you as "knowledge-seeker" in my mind.

>>16513985
Ivarr Forkbeard, oldest son of Gunnhild and Gudrun Forkbeard, of the venerable Forkbeard family, which dates back to the days of the Giant Wars in Thrymvald and Tytia, when Orcus arose in the country of Muinadain Tinaniel and broke the country in two, leaving the goddess bereft of her people.

Genealogy is one of my class-hobbies. I also enjoy Competitive Card Gaming, as it sharpens the tactician's senses and is a welcome release from scholarly pursuits.

It's also fun as shit.

>>16514048
An honor, Ivarr.

A cardgame to sharpen tactics, hmm... I was unaware such things existed. I am told the father of the chieftain of my clan, who was the great shaman Mohrg Storm-fury, was fond of a strategy game which was not too different in play from what the civilized people call chess - even in his greybearded time, he claimed it kept his mind agile and fought off the thieves of memory. I have seen this "chess", and I do not think I have the patience for such slow-paced things.

>>16514130
Then you'll love the card-game. Chess, though, is as fast or slow-paced as you make it. I've seen a full match played in under a minute, and one round go as long as an hour.

Still. If you're ever near Oghma University-Temple, look me up. I'm a short, blonde one-armed dwarf. I'm not hard to find.

And now, I must bid you all a very good night.

(And this is awesome. I hope to keep tabs on this in the future.)

>>16513070
Sure hope there aren't any Truenamers on this board.
...
Nope, couldn't say it with a straight face.

Just got back from teaching Gun Mage 101, the class is going well. We have mostly Humans and Dwarves, a few Half-Elves, even one Half-Orc. So far most the deaths have been from accidents, which only Humans seem to be involved.

While in Gun Mage 1332, things are different. As it's a more difficult class, I demand more. I've had no less than 10 assassination attempts, far less than I've suspected. Also these attempts were very sloppy and very weak. This class is mainly Humans, and Half-Humans. They all think they're bad asses because they killed a few goblins, perhaps won a few duels.

I've been around the block a few times, I've faced dragons and demons. Here they are barely out their first adventure, and they think they're big man on campus. I've faced baby trolls that are more dangerous.

Can you belive it that there's apparently awakened rooster teaching some illusion classes?

Where I am from chickens are for dinner, not teaching. With all the undead and planetouched abominations walking the campus one has to wonder how long it will take till this leftist liberal equality bullshit will completely ruin the academia. I think I saw some ogres studying there... man, what the fuck, ogres have been proven multiple times to have subelven inteligence, so how come they passes the entrance exam?

Whatever happened to the Blood Elf plague-magic chick?

Come on she's a Blood Elf someone has to know her name or shit

>>16517531
Ogres are admitted under the Shaman studies. It's not really complicated magic, it's more DIY type. I've spoken to a few the facility in the teacher's lounge. They explained it as this, thanks to corporate bureaucrats and left winged politics we have to open enrollment to every creature.

If they don't possess intelligence or sorcery abilities they're put in the Shaman area. There they can choose from a multitude of different Shaman techniques. One the more popular ones today is communicating to the elements and trying to do what you want.

Mind you it's not the same as talking to Nature, as with druids. Instead of talking to the tree, they talk to the spirit of the forest. Instead of talking with a squirrel, they beat the squirrel over the head and cook it.

>>16517743
Why? Unless you got condom of resist disease, I wouldn't go near that chick. She's into that Dark God of Plagues and what not. She'll wont even give you the time of day if you're not as devout as she is. However if you must know where she is, I hear she hangs around the kitchen on subplanar level 7.

>>16518226


Yes, and have you ever seen a follower of the Dark God of Plagues with such smooth, unblemished skin?
It's like mucking about with bacteria that will eat your bones from inside out has turned her immune to everything. Plus that general apathetic demeanour is uber sexy.

>>16518268
Yea I've seen a few that can pass as normal, however once you look closely it's just a façade.

Minor update, there seems to be a misunderstanding. Once again I blame it on the Elves, this time it says I'm to teach Muscle Mage 101. This has to be a joke.