In November that year Roosevelt is elected by a landslide later that year and, assassination attempt by anarchic Giuseppe Zangara withstanding, assumes office among great fanfare and anticipation. From the start his administration pursues rigorous reforms, under the banner of The New Deal; reforms which divide the Congress and the nation for the first time along not party lines but ideological grounds, between the anti-New-Deal conservatives and the pro-New-Deal liberals. The desire for even greater reforms leads to the formation and success of multiple populist parties such as the Share Our Wealth society of Louisiana Governor Huey Long, the Farmer-Labor Party of Minnesota Governor Floyd B. Olson, and the Jobs Party of Father Cox in Pennsylvania.

In the first year of his administration, 1933, the new labor laws allow many previously non-unionized industries to mass organize; their locals unwanted by the elitist and conservative American Federation of Labor, instead inspiring the leaders of the AFL's much neglected industrial unions to defect and begin talks of forming their own labor federation.

Also that year, the American Liberty League forms to oppose the President's policies, with a membership consisting of the nation's most powerful industrialists; including Ford, DuPont, the president of General Motors, and others; including a number of anti-New-Deal Democrats. The League begins to quietly sponsor the renamed Legion of American Fascists, with Irenee DuPont providing new uniforms and supplying them with arms, courtesy of Remington Rifle Company. Together they begin to demand a return to the gold standard and a reversal of the New Deal, decrying Roosevelt as a communist and a traitor Sovietizing America.

Meanwhile fascism is also spreading among the active duty ranks, with its great prophet being Colonel George S. Patton, who forms the fascist military order known as The Phalanx.

May Day, 1934. It is not the revolution that Palmer predicted, but major strikes break out across the country as the militant unions formed last year look to the former AFL industrial unions for leadership. As longshoremen, sailors, and teamsters all over the West Coast engage in a mass strike to turn the entire coast into a closed shop with one union to unite them all; the industrial unions declare the formation of the American Workers Union federation of unions. Out of their control, strikes staged by the American Workers Party and Communist League of America (which merge into the U.S. Workers Party) in Toledo and Minneapolis respectively turn into industrial occupations and then general strikes, as the unemployed, farmers, and non-union workers form their own ad-hoc Workers Councils across the MidWest; leading to violent clashes with the Legion and other vigilante organizations, which in turn causes the strikers and other workers to turn to the radical parties and unions for leadership and protection.

In June the violence inspires a meeting between major leftist parties and organizations, leading to the creation of the Popular Front Against Fascism, consisting of the Socialist and Communist Parties and numerous smaller organizations such as the generally libertarian-leftist ACLU.

With the whole nation wracked by what looks like the makings of a revolution, the conspiracy at nexus of the Liberty League, Legion of Fascists, and Phalanx decided to escalate their plans to overthrow the President. After tense negotiations in secret with the Chief of the Army MacArthur, a date was set for the coup against Roosevelt.

Only July 4th, 1934 the Legion of American Fascists stage a massive political demonstration, marching upon the District of Columbia. Marching on the capital, they were armed by supporters from a depot concealed just outside the District limits. With the situation demanding the senior military official take charge, even though normally the Chiefs of Staff are outside of the combat chain of command, Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur repeated his performance of two years prior, when he had routed the peaceful Bonus Army marchers in a fiasco that became a massacre. He gathered the elements of the First Army stationed in and around the District of Columbia and launched an attack; only this time it was against the city itself. With the capital surrounded and the government captured, General MacArthur assumed command of the United States of America.

Escaping the cordon of putschists soldiers and fascist militiamen, Secretary of State Cordell Hull and an assortment of other administration officials make their way up the seaboard to the great city of New York, where Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia welcomes them with open arms. There those members of the Roosevelt administration not dead or captured witnessed to the Secretary of State swearing in as acting president, per the Presidential Sucession Act; cabinet appointees and reorganization of government would follow as the Continuity Government of the United States form and make a claim for international recognition as the legitimate government of the United States. Meanwhile, the MacArthur junta in D.C. do the same.

The First Army of the United States, divided, battles it out over New York; both sides attempting to put a quick finish to the war before winter '34 begins. The commander of the First Army, Dennis E. Nolan, and the First National Army under MacArthur wage a series of battles that sees initial loyalist gains but ultimately cedes more and more ground to the overwhelming forces of the National Army. With a loyalist stronghold in the Midwest, and the fear of his government's holdings being permanently reduced to a rump-state in New England, Acting President Hull makes the tough decision to take the C-Gov and go West, before the routes out of West New York are blocked by MacArthur's Army. He leaves the First Army to defend New England and the fragile New York City enclave, and marches with some of the brighest military minds and his entire cabinet West of the Adironacks, into Western Pennsylvania and the Midwest beyond that, where additional unionist troops await his orders.

From the new provisional capital at Indianapolis, under the leadership of retired general Peyton C. March (but with the actual strategy concocted by former MacArthur aide and disgraced colonel Dwight Eisenhower, as part of a team with Colonel George C. Marshal) the Army of the Republic makes a feint to reopen the pass to New England, while sending the bulk of their forces with the newly formed Army of the Mississippi commanded by tankmaster General Adna R. Chaffee Jr. to make their now famous drive for the coast; the daring campaign that made the midwestern loyalist enclave a sustainable and considerable holding, able to be resupplied by sea.

The second half of '35 after the Drive to the Sea would have been almost quiet, had it not been for the Hull assassination; blown up along with his train in the recently recaptured state of Mississippi, by operatives of the Exalted Cyclops of the Klu Klux Klan. His Secretary of State, Roosevelt Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr., was swiftly sworn in as the new Acting President. As the Nationalists tried to take advantage of the chaos to strike into the Midwest, his first major order as president was to do what Hull had been unwilling to do and release weapons and give freedom of movement through territories of union Army control to the American Workers Union, Popular Front, and other leftist and anti-fascist militias that President Hull had not trusted.

Winter of '35 sets in, and the people of the United States prepare for a new year of civil war.

April 6, 1917 - The United States declares war on the German Empire, entering the Great War that had been raging since 1914.

During the war, the Justice Department enlists the help of anti-immigrant vigilante organizations to spy on the citizenry for "un-American" activity and raid leftist, pacifist, and trade union assemblies.

November 11, 1918 - The Entente signs an Armistice with the German Empire, ending the Great War (the actual peace treaty would not be signed until Versailles on June 28 the next year).

The American Legion forms (1919), The American Legion participates in the Palmer Raids and engages in vigilante and strikebreaking throughout the Twenties, The American Legion proclaims itself a fascist organization at their 1930 convention following Italian dictator Benito Mussolini's address to the assembly, national-socialist Great War corporal Warren Grimm is elected national commander of the Legion (1933), changes the name to the Legion of American Fascists and alters the rank and organizational designations to Roman legion inspired latin names later that year.

The Palmer Raids (1919 and 1920) masterminded by Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer raid and deport more than 556 immigrant leftists, opposed by the ACLU and Louis Freeland Post, the Assistant Secretary of Labor. The failure of Palmer's prediction of an attempted socialist revolution on May Day 1920 leads to a district court judge in Massachusetts ruling against the Department of Justice and setting a precedent against the raids, ending them for the time being. The Raids were a manifestation of the post-war Red Scare, in which the war-time charges of sedition and unpatriotic behavior against anti-conscription activists and striking trade unionists became violent fears of an anarchist revolution in the United States, partially sparked by the 1919 bombings of federal buildings by followers of an Italian anarchist philosopher living in the States.

While Warren G. Harding's administration is considered a failure all around following his death in office, the 1920's do see a return to normalcy as the post-war economic recession transforms into a booming economy; which combined with the rise in organized crime and loose morals following the passage of the eighteenth amendment (Prohibition of intoxicating spirits) and the glamorization of the illegal speak-easy leads to the decade being known as the Roaring Twenties.

In October 1929 the boom finally busts, with the Great Crash of the stock market leading to the Great Depression, which is blamed by the public on Coolidge successor President Herbert Hoover.

And now a map of the lower 48 as of the end of 1935.

That is the premise of my ongoing project to create a detailed campaign setting for tabletop wargaming and roleplaying, a 1930's United States in the midst of a second civil war between loyalists to the overturned administration and supporters of the rightist coup.

I've been working on it for a while now and every step of the way /tg/ has been very helpful with its input.

So wait, what is exactly stopping MacArthur and the other... Fascists (I don't really know what to call them to be honest) from simply pummeling the American forces into the ground? Because MacArthur should be easily able to simply wipe the floor with these guys, considering he has the backing of the military, and a large number of paramilitary units. Cool setting though OP, very... detailed, to say the least.

>>16959245
You should post this on /k/. I think the reactions will be pretty funny.

Now onto the meat.

To put all this into some context, the initial premise described the two factions in some detail but did not specify any specific battle lines, just declaring it a general clusterfuck.

Then battle lines were drawn up, then armies were specified, then factions and sub-factions were listed and sublisted in greater and greater detail until you knew who was the commander of the Panama Canal Zone by name and which air wings were stationed there.

I was asked to try to make it more organic, to make it more accessible in the developing stages as a gameable setting. Which brings us to now.

The Governor of the National puppet state government in Western New York, based out of Buffalo, is ran by self-proclaimed fascist and New York city socialite, Seward Collins; publisher of the American Review; who maintains a spy network in the Big Apple.

Democratic Governor of Massachusetts Joseph B. Ely, an American Liberty League member, aligned the State Guard against the assembling loyalist troops of the 1st Army and exercised his constitutional authority to raise a state militia, which has become a clearing-house for the various company police and armed strikebreakers of the League industrialists in lower New England. After being deposed in Massachusetts Ely and his State Militia were forced to subordinate themselves to Commander Doyle's Legion-led National Front in the hills and mountains of the region.

Commander of the Massachusetts American Legion essential to the election of Warren Grimm to the office of National Commander in '33, in the following organizational shifts Bill Doyle was made Legate of the Legions of New England. As part of the Legion's plans for the July 4th Coup, Doyle assumed the title of Proconsul of New England, claiming legitimate civil authority. To this end the Legion formed a National Front in the region with other nationalist and vigilante groups. Forcibly integrated into the Legion-dominated Front are the ragged remnants of the American Liberty League's New England presence; following Leauger Massachusetts Governor Joseph Nye's overthrow in that state, the remains answer to Alfred P. Sloane, CEO of General Motors.

>>16959300

Failed writer of obscure fiction and Anglophilic Massachusetts news commentator, following a failed marriage and failed career in New York City, Howard Lovecraft is the suspected leader of The Free Saxons; a violent separatist group. The published manifesto of the Free Saxons proclaims the formation of a National Government aligned, but independent, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant state in New England they call "Saxonia". Unlike the New England National Front, the Free Saxons are an underground resistance organization rather than a guerrilla army.

Charles Augustus Lindbergh better have a role in this

The Army of New England was formed around the 1st and 11th Corps, drawn from Regulars, Reserves, and National Guard in the New England States. This left him with one Regular division, 2 National Guard Divisions, and 3 Reserve Divisions.

The New York City Defense Force was formed around the two National Guard divisions of the 2cd Corps.

General Dennis E. Nolan: General of the First Army, Nolan moved from the main headquarters at Fort Jay in New York City to Boston in order to remove Governor from office and organize the main body of First Army component units outside of MacArthur's immediate sphere of influence. This temporary headquarters eventually became the main headquarters when Hull's Continuity Government chose to move the provisional capital from New York City West across the mountains in the wake of MacArthur's advance. Nolan and the First Army were ordered to stay behind and to fall back from the advance, with instructions to concentrate on to defending New York City and New England, and to root out the rebel partisans within the region.

Democratic Governor Herbert Lehman of New York State: Having proved his loyalty and competence in helping Hull form the Continuity Government from the temporary successionist capital in New York City, Lehman wanted to stay in New York city and help defend it when MacArthur was on the march, but Hull ordered him to move his offices to Boston and become the loyalist Governor-General for the whole region of New England and the New York City enclave. Putting a Jewish New Yorker in charge of New England proved controversial even among the region's loyalists, but Lehman's heroic contribution to the cause was attested to by New England's leading successionists; Democratic Governor Wilbur Lucius Cross of Connecticut, Democratic Governor Theodore Francis Green of Rhode Island, the great Republican John Gilbert Winant of New Hampshire, and Governor Louis J. Brann of Maine.

>>16959334

Gaspar G. Bacon: Governor Ely's Lieutenant and successor to the Governorship of Massachusetts in the Successionist camp after Ely's support of the coup; his ties to Ely made him suspect and is part of why Secretary of State Cordell Hull's Continuity Government set up a Loyalty Council of more reliable anti-Macarthur Bay Staters as the loyalist authority in his state, with his office subordinate to that State Loyalty Council.

Governor Stanley Wilson of Vermont, a moderate Republican, is a cooperative and capable member of the regional administration but otherwise not notable.

New York City, an enclave separated from the rest of New England by MacArthur's National Army. The temporary capital where the Continuity Government formed before moving West rather than being bottled up in New England, the garrison force placed by General Nolan to defend the city is supplemented by the remains of loyalist forces in New York, National and State Guard units sharing the City Defense Force organization with the Big Apple's many militias, most of which are tenuously allied under the Popular Front banner. Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia, a liberal Republican, runs civil affairs while major strategic decisions are made by Nolan through the CO of the First Army garrison in Brooklyn; but the city council has been taken over by leftists from the New York Popular Front coalition parties, and Ward Aldermen are struggling to maintain their authority in the face of self-proclaimed neighborhood patrols and block councils.

>>16959362

Untrained civilian volunteers from all over the world flood into New York along with merchant vessels of all nationalities risking being captured by the National Fleet or sunken by German and Italian submarines. The serious foreign embassies from governments that have recognized Hull's government are in Boston, giving General Nolan and Governor-General Lehman the task of being the faces of Hull, and now Morgenthau, and the rest of the federal government in Indianapolis. Britain and France have consulates in Indianapolis, but their main delegations remain in Boston, where they are better ensured safety by their Caribbean fleets. Britain's military volunteer formations, the Commonwealth Expeditionary Force, are part of the backbone of the First Army in New England - providing dangerously missing airpower and armor that have been needed in holding off invasion with MacArthur and his massive army at the gates. Nolan keeps the trained and organized leftist volunteer soldiers of the International Brigades out of New England, diverting them to New York, where some stay and many move on to loyalist ports on the Gulf Coast. With the loyalist spy chief, Herbert Yardley, at the current provisional capital in indianapolis, civilian intelligence on the highest level in New England takes the form of the MI-6 branch at the British Embassy in Boston.

The New York Squadron, formed around the 9th Observation Group at Michel Field on Long Island, has been supplemented with donated planes and volunteer pilots. Lt. General Frank Maxwell Andrews of the United Army of the Republic took command of this force after leaving the New England Army Air Corps he helped set up in capable hands.

Meanwhile the Warner Brothers took their time going the long way by sea, but eventually set up shop in New York; they may be conservatives, but they were personally friends with FDR and are dedicated opponents of the Anti-Komintern (what we would call the Axis).

>>16959313
>Howard Lovcraft
>Helping to lead an underground resistance force
OP, if you ever get this idea made into reality... I would be the first person to buy it, and then buy ten more copies for my friends. This is probably the coolest idea I have seen on /tg/ in years.

>>16959384

The American Workers Union, the organization of industrial unions that split from the AFL during the May Day Strikes and absorbed most of the AFL unions following AFL vice president Matthew Woll's calls for cooperation with the putschists following the July 4th coup, is represented in the Northeast by the All-Union Congress in Boston. The trades and industrial unions themselves are represented in Boston by Sidney Hillman, formerly the president of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers. He is practically the president of the entire Congress, as New England never had the same level of farmers co-ops and entire class mobilization via workers councils the way the way New York and the interior regions of loyalist America did.

In New York City, unlike the Midwest, the AWU is secondary and even subordinate to the Popular Front. Unlike the other two Front leaders, General Secretary Earl Browder of the Communist Party stayed in New York City; where he continues to coordinate the NKVD agents and domestic spies in the secret CPUSA underground network, while outwardly being a strong supporter of the broad tent Popular Front strategy of allying all anti-fascist forces together. The one exception to harmonious relations between the various leftists in the Big Apple are the U.S. Workers Party. Formed by a merger of the unorthodox American Workers Party and the Trotskyist Communist League of America, following their similar roles to each other in the Toledo and Minneapolis strikes respectively, in New York and the Northeast in general the party is led by American arch-Trotskyist Max Schachtman, who doesn't trust the CPUSA one bit.

The American National Government (Washington, D.C.) -
Secretary of General Affairs: Douglas MacArthur
Cabinet Secretary: Henry Ford
Secretary of Domestic Affairs: Bertrand Snell
Secretary of Foreign Affairs: John Foster Dulles
Secretary of Armaments: Henry L. Stimson
Secretary of Commerce: William Marion Jardine
Secretary of the Treasury: William McAdoo

The National Police, are officially headquartered in D.C., even though they are fully functional throughout all National held territory in the contiguous United States. The young Director, J. Edgar Hoover, has inherited the Justice Department's Great War era network of militants and spies from vigilante organizations such as the American Protective League, American Defense Society, National Security League, Black Legion, and Klu Klux Klan.

Strategic Services, the ANG intelligence directorate, is headquartered in D.C. and directed by Colonel William Joseph Donovan.

The Gendarmes, only active up and down the Atlantic Seaboard, are headquartered in Philadelphia and commanded by General Hugh Drum.

Field Marshall President Douglas MacArthur's First National Army, based out of D.C. with the rest of the MacArthur junta but focused on operations in the Northeast. The Regular division of the 2cd Corps and all three of the all Reservist divisions of the 12th corps joined MacArthur's National Army, along with the Regular division of the 3rd Corps and all three of the Reservist 13th corps. This left him with two Regular divisions and 6 Reserve divisions. General John L. Hines is theoretically in command of the First, but in reality Mac micromanages it in addition to his role as supreme commander of the American Nation, as far as the Nationalists see it.

>>16959413

The Atlantic Fleet, headed by Admiral Luke McNamee, is headquartered in Norfolk.

The Eastern Air Corps: General Benjamin Foulois in command from Langley Field, Virginia.
- 7th Group (Observation), Air Corps at Langley Field, Virginia
- 8th Pursuit Group, Air Corps at Langley Field, Virginia

National Maritime Command, securing the coasts and waterways of the National East Coast is commanded by Admiral David F. Sellers; the branch in the Southwest has been separated by the unionist gains on the Gulf Coast.

Governor Albert Ritchie's State Militia in Maryland has an active role in security and counter-insurgency, and is dominated by Bourbons (free trade Democrats). Similarly dominant internal security roles are taken by Senator Joseph Bailey's Conservative Coalition out of North Carolina.

Klan-proponent Senator Harry F. Byrd wields more power over his native Virginia as a bureaucrat of the D.C. junta than he would if he were still governor. His administration of supply lines running through Virginia gives him at-will power over the Virginia state guard and militia, which he keeps staffed with Klansmen in materially rewarding positions as border guards and supply officers.

>>16959424

Throughout the Mid-Atlantic the American Liberty League primarily consists of the private security forces of Du Pont industries and J.P. Morgan Jr.'s inherited corporate empire, which is synonymous with the MacArthur junta's American National Bank, and the means by which loans are diverted from pro-C-Gov governments in London and Paris to the junta. DuPont executive and Liberty League executive officer, and former Democratic National Committee chairman, John J. Raskob is the civilian officer on point for security and propaganda activities of the League in this region. National coordination for the Legion, and especially financial and materiel exchanges J.P. Morgan bank, are handled by the organization's national treasurer, Grayson Mallet-Prevost Murphy.

The leading East Coast member of the military fascist officers group, the Phalanx, is no longer an active duty officer but instead a retired lieutenant, Robert Sterling Clark, millionaire art collector and heir to the Singer Corporation. He maintains offices in heavily guarded (with Phalanx "auxiliary" fascist militia) estates in Virginia and upstate New York.

William Randolph Hearst is a former FDR supporter who turned on him in '34 in the hectic days before the coup, he's made it so Hearst chain newspapers and Triumph Films (formerly Cosmpolitan Films) are available in both the Eastern regions of National influence and in their geographically separated Western regions.

>>16959437

Hal Roach, Liberty Leaguer and Hollywood film exec, fled the West Coast Revolution by plane and set up the new film industry in Philadelphia, taking the MGM name and imprint with him.

Primarily in the Mid-Atlantic and Upper South direct area of influence of the MacArthur junta; the fascist vertical trade union, the Industrial Association, seeks to organize the working class against leftism and for the Nationalists. Matthew Woll, the pro-fascist second in command of the American Federation of Labor before the July 4th Coup, is a leading figure in these efforts.

Charles "Lucky Lindy" Lindbergh wears a lot of essentially meaningless hats as a propaganda tool - Commander of the Civilian Air Defense Corps on the Nationalist East Coast, official chairman of the All-American Youth organization, and so forth.

Actress Lillian Gish is the spokesperson for the National Women's Auxiliary on the East Coast.

Ezra Pound is America's leading fascist writer, or one of them at least.

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I don't have anything for Mid-Atlantic/Upper South loyalists yet, but rest assured there is a loyalist/unionist/successionist underground there; and I will get around to detailing it.

Sounds kind of like Kaiserreich for Darkest Hour. I like it, except

>dividing Texas.
>wat

If anything, it'd form it's own nation rather than split itself.

The State of Michigan (Nationalist), (capital: Detroit) -
Governor-General Edsel Ford, son of Ford Motors founder and current company president, is in command of the enclave and has been ever since it was cut off by unionist territory in '35. The main paramilitary components to the State Forces are the Christian Front, national socialists answering the radio commandments of Michigan priest Father Charles Coughlin; and the company police/floor enforcers of Ford Motors and the other industrial companies in lower Michigan. Coughlin's radio transmissions inspire nationalist partisans throughout he Midwest, but the main intelligence apparatus of Michigan is ran by Col. Robert McCormick, the exiled publisher of the conservative Chicago Tribune. Senator Arthur Vandenberg is the civilian political leader of the state at this time, in effect Ford's deputy prime minister.

While their leader, John M. Pratt, is rotting in a C-Gov prison; the Chicago tax revolt organization ARET (Association of Real-Estate Taxpayers) still has some neighborhood militia in the outer suburbs of Chicago who have ceased hostility to the C-Gov stewardship of the Midwest but continue to resist their municipalities' incorporation into the Chicago Commune.

A light smattering of insurgency throughout the Midwest has been riled up among anti-"sovietization" farmers, with grangers, vigilantes, and hired guns fighting against land appropriation and agri co-ops being formed by workers councils. John Crowe Ransom, a Nashville Agrarian teaching at Kenyon College in Ohio, is the ringleader of this activity.

Outside of Michigan, Christian Front activities are coordinated by Gerald L.K. Smith, who has contacts up and down the Mississippi all the way from Wisconsin to the Gulf Coast. His cover is that of a traveling minister, which he technically is, of the United Christ Church.

The Continuity Government of the United States, c. January 1936
- Located at the provisional capital in Indianapolis
- President: Henry Morgenthau Jr. assumed the post after President Cordell Hull's train was the target of an explosives attack by KKK-saboteurs in the then newly acquired Gulf territories. Morgenthau was Hull's Secretary of State (there was no Vice President at the time of Hull's death), and was FDR's Secretary of the Treasury before that.
- Secretary of War: George Dern was appointed by FDR and does a good job of coordinating war industry and acting as a liaison between the military and civilian government, but lacks military experience; he maintains his post in war-time partially because the War Department is essentially removed from the largely autonomous field operations of the army.
- Secretary of the Treasury: James Warburg was a member of FDR's Brains Trust, and a prominent banker. He's the architect behind the C-Gov's U.S. Bank and was instrumental in securing the British Relief.
- Attorney General: Harlan F. Stone was a member of the Three Musketeers of pro-New-Deal Supreme Court Justices before the coup.
- Postmaster General: James Farley maintains his post from the pre-coup government, like before it primarily serves as a liaison between the Democratic (and now New Deal Coalition) political party and the administration, responsible for doling out patronage.
- Secretary of the Navy: Joe Kennedy Sr., appointed by Hull from his previous position in the State department due to his experience in the shipyard industry.
- Secretary of the Interior: Harold L. Ickes, maintaining his Roosevelt appointed post where he has and continues to support federal works projects such as the construction of hydroelectric power plants.
- Secretary of Agriculture: Henry A. Wallace, maintaining his post from the Roosevelt administration

>>16959556

- Secretary of Commerce: Adolf A. Berle, a sociologist and member of FDR's Brain Trust who had published arguing that private enterprise should serve the needs of society.
- Secretary of Labor: Frances Perkins, the female cabinet member appointed by FDR.
- Chairman of the United States Loyalty Council: Congressman Samuel Dickstein, the leading anti-fascist in politics before the coup made it fashionable for loyalists. The Loyalty Council is kind of a clearing house for the rump congress' committees and powers, and coordinates with civilian loyalty councils across loyalist held territories.
- Director of the Public Service Corps: Harry Hopkins, a trusted friend and advisor of FDR and a leader in the field of relief work. Hopkins was head of the WPA and is now in charge of the labor corps and special skills conscription for the war effort.
- Director of the Office of Resettlement and Reconstruction: Brains Trust member Rexford Tugwell, an agrarian economist who was called "Red Rex" for his attempts to move unemployed from the cities into sustainable rural communities.
- Director of the Office of Intelligence: Herbert Yardley, head of Signals and Intelligence during the Great War who was ostracized for trying to create a post-war intelligence agency; but that was before the civil war broke out.
- Other Notables: Communist moles Lee Pressman and the Hiss Brothers, in the Departments of Agriculture and State respectively.

>>16959574

Brig. General ret. and Senator Smedley Butler's Bonus Army, based around Pittsburgh; formed initially around the two National Guard divisions of the 2cd corps. This independent fighting force is dedicated to preventing the Nationals from advancing into the MidWest, and hope to recapture Philadelphia one day.

The Army of the Republic, commanded by Gen. Peyton C. March and headquartered in Indianapolis, was formed out of the 6th and 16th corps primarily. Lt. General Dwight Eisenhower has the western command post in Des Moines, Lt. General George C. Marshal has the eastern command post in Columbus.

The French military volunteer formations, the Republican Expeditionary Force, are deployed here.

The American War Volunteers units are deployed here.

The Air Corps: Commanded by Oscar M. Westover from Patterson Field, Ohio.
The Service Forces: Commanded by Colonel Brehon B. Somervell from Indianapolis.

The C-Gov Chief of the Navy, Admiral William Standley, has his headquarters in St. Louis to best focus on his department's most important duty of controlling the Mississippi river. Coastal guard duties, the coordination of maritime shipping, and so forth are handled from an administrative branch in Baton Rouge.

The regional administration is based out of Springfield, under the direction of Governor-General Henry Horner; formerly the Governor of Illinois.

>>16959588

The Popular Front's interior American headquarters is in the Chicago Commune; which of all the Communes is neutral ground due to the disorganized and often moderate trade unions running the city along lines not so different than the pre-commune city charter, and with the All-Union Congress of the American Workers Union meaning various leftist and trade unionist factions all have to meet in the city on a regular basis. It is here that Socialist Party chairman Rev. Norman Thomas, the various stand-ins and delegates of the Communist Party filling in for Earl Browder in New York City, and the libertarian faction represented by Roger Nash of the ACLU all meet and run the movement in the interior.
The Popular Front raises and arms Popular Brigade militias, mostly with weapons either donated from the Comintern (giving the CPUSA the leadership edge in those forces) or purchased with funds from the Socialist and Labor International and other anti-fascist donations/loans of money and materiel (giving the Socialists and libertarians the edge up).

More importantly, trained and armed/supplied volunteer soldiers from all over the world show up in the International Brigades, facilitated by the international Popular Front movement's aid international organization The International Democracy League. Again, most of the Brigades were either facilitated by the Comintern or by the Socialist and Labor International, creating a clear distinction between those ran by the Soviets essentially and those of more independent socialist and labor parties all over the world.
The Popular Front also has various organizations, most of which merged from multiple Communist and Socialist party groups, along with other liberal and anti-fascist equivalents; groups such as the National Negro Congress and the American Students Union.

>>16959602

The American Workers Union (recognizes C-Gov, a part of the Unionists and part of the double-entendre of the name) :
Component Organizations
- The Toledo Commune: Factory Strike, American Workers Party, Unemployed League
- The Chicago Commune: Rail Strike by defecting AFL unions refusing to transport Nationalist men and materials, union committees for the defense of the republic took over Chicago and an organizational scheme was suggested by the small IWW.
- The Minneapolis Commune: Teamster Strike with CLA organizing and working with the farmers in the Upper Midwest.
- The Industrial and Trades Unions: Headed by John L. Lewis of the United Mine Workers
- The Workers Councils: Formed by the AFL abandoning industrial unions and Popular Front protesters in 1934 before and after the coup as they mobilized unorganized workers, farmers, sailors, and the unemployed.
- The Political Parties: The U.S. Workers Party (formed by a merger of the AWP and the CLA, and led by Trotskyist James P. Cannon in the interior regions) and syndicalist Industrial Workers of the World (technically a union).
Organizational Structure
- All-Union Congress in Chicago
- The Communes raise their own defense forces, organizing and utilizing them their own way. Chicago, the largest Commune, is the one not on an ongoing front-line and is thus the only one to donate numbers of Communard units to the Army of the Republic and Army of the Mississippi.
- All-Union Committees: Organizations of all the AWU constituencies in a municipality or county, primarily for the purposes of self-defense, raising a dedicated Workers Battalion of militia willing to stand in defense for prolonged periods or go on the march.
- Trade Union Locals and Workers Councils raise their own part-time militias to defend their municipality when it is attacked.

Why do you keep uploading this stuff here? this board is for games. You have no game.
Come back when you have a game for us to test and poke holes with and not just some alternate history masturbation. Bad "what if" fluff is a dime a dozen.

Gen. Charle's P. Summerall's Second National Army (formed from the 4th and 14th corps; 1 regular division, 2 national guard divisions, and 3 reserve divisions); based around Atlanta, Georgia.

The White Division of professional volunteer infantry from Bulgaria, Greece, French and British fascist parties, and so forth are deployed taking up guard duties on the National line to free up additional Southern troops acclimated to the hot weather to join in the Florida panhandle campaign.

William Dudley Pelley's Silver Legion paramilitary based out of South Carolina (he is a Massachusetts carpetbagger).

No one knows for sure where the Imperial Wizard and the rest of the Imperial Klavern will crop up in the Nationalist portions of the South, but KKK influence seems to be radiating out of Birmingham, Alabama; which is on the border of the current battle lines between the Army of the Mississippi and the Second National Army. The Grand Goblin of the Gulf states and the Grand Dragon of the Imperial Klavern are believed to be the key high-level commanders behind Klan activities in the disputed Deep South, but the intelligence division operated by the Exalted Cyclops has narrowed most of its focus to this front as well; the Cyclops' long-range "klommandos" are thought to be responsible for the train bombing that took the life of loyalist President Cordell Hull.

>>16959611
He put it up on /fit/ too. Lawd knows why. I assume it's interesting to Americans or something.

>>16959612

The Nashville Agrarians, primarily the segregationist Tennessee Federation for Constitutional Government led by Donald Davidson and the Southern Historical Association; harrying the sphere of influence of the loyalist Army of the Mississippi's Memphis HQ.

Conservative figure in Ohio politics, Robert A. Taft, decamped with other early supporters of the national coup to West Virginia.

Young "Bible Crusader" Eugene Siler in Kentucky is spreading agitation and partisan violence in Eastern Kentucky, getting materiel and support from the Nationalists in Southern and Eastern parts of West Virginia.

The States currently occupied/liberated by the loyal Army of the Mississippi have governments in exile in Atlanta, the leader of this sorry band being the fiery Mississippi senator Theodore Bilbo, to whom the surviving Nationalist acting governor relinquished his title. Bilbo maintains ties with the White Column, Mississippi's own variant of the Klan; more focused on intelligence gathering and subtle sabotage than blowing up trains and coming out of the hills at night with rifles.

The Army of the Mississippi being commanded by General Adna R. Chaffee Jr.; a tank specialist; and formed out of the 5th and 15th Corps (1 regular division, 2 national guard divisions, 3 reserve divisions). Lt. Gen. Walter Krueger has the western command post in Houston, Lt. Gen. Alexander Vandegrift has the Eastern command post in Tallahassee.

The French military volunteer formations, the Republican Expeditionary Force, are deployed here.

The Gulf Fleet is headquartered in Baton Rouge, under Admiral Montgomery M. Taylor; formed from the Asiatic Squadron after being relieved of their duties in the waters of East Asia by the Royal Navy.

The regional government appointed by C-Gov are in Baton Rouge, with Governor-General Huey Long presiding; his Share Our Wealth movement using Southern populism to solidify shaky unionist gains in the previously national held Deep South.

Large Popular Front branch offices in New Orleans and Tallahassee facilitate the entry and mobilization of oncoming International Brigades.

Often behind enemy lines, the Popular Front has covertly organized a resistance force to rally African-Americans in the South against the Nationalists; a covert battalion led by communist Harry Haywood, called the Abraham Lincoln Battalion, that engages in guerrilla warfare and trains/arms self-defense forces among the region's beleaguered black population.

Nationalists
In the High Plains, National General George S. Patton and his Order of the Phalanx command the Fourth National Army; formed around the 7th and 17th corps (1 regular division, 2 national guard divisions, 3 reserve divisions). The civilian and militia National Front in the Prairie, in contrast with the military Phalanx's fascism, is dominated by classic liberals (Bourbons like Albert Ritchie, essentially) such as Senator James A. Reed and American Liberty Leaguers like Kansas Senator Jouett Shouse and Brig. ret. Robert E. Wood, the CEO of Sears Roebuck.

The German Eagle Korps and their American volunteer infantry are deployed here.

Unionists
Burton K. Wheeler, progressive Senator from Montana, is the de facto leader of the light resistance in the High Plains. Another member, Senator Gerald Nye, was captured and summarily executed.

>>16959611
Buy this and wait for OP to finish making his.

>>16959673

Hilarious truth: A Very British Civil War is a rules-less wargame background.

They did eventually publish an optional system if you want to use it rather than some other ruleset, it is the Brigadier supplement I do believe.

General Malin Craig's Third National Army, built around the 8th and 18th corps primarily (1 regular division, 2 national guard, 3 reserve), is based in Phoenix, Arizona. They control most of Texas, as far as Austin; and are in conflict with loyalist field commander of the Army of the Mississippi, Lt. General Alexander Vandegrift, who is using Houston as his forward operating base. The National Front in Texas is dominated by the American Legion and many Third National officers are Phalanx members. The American Liberty League is represented merely by the oil company security forces, primarily J. Howard Pew's Sunoco (Sun Oil Company).

The Eagle Korps and their American volunteer infantry are deployed here.

The Corps of Volunteer Troops are deployed along the Mexican line, best suited duties for their militia rather than professional soldier training.

The Western Air Corps: General Henry Arnold
- 3rd Group (Attack), Air Corps at Fort Bliss Texas
- 2cd Group (Bombardment), Air Corps at Kelly Field, Texas
- 12th Observation Group, Air Corps at Brooks Field, San Antonio

With British and French Caribbean fleet assisted unionist Gulf Fleet control of the Gulf coast waters, the most important supply line for the Nationalists in the Southwest and High Plains is San Diego; captured from the West Coast Syndicates by the Third National.

Unionists: like many cases of the completely National held territories, I don't have the same great ideas for Unionist resistances as I did for Nationalist resistances in Unionist held territories yet; but I am working on it.

Other
Charles Murray, the anti-corporate and segregationist Governor of Oklahoma, has thus far managed to straddle the direct control of the Third National Army and the loyalist Army of the Mississippi.

The Dustbowl, on the four-state border, is a depopulated hellhole no one side has dedicated to holding for any length of time so far.

The State of Utah
Governor Henry Blood leads this the cut-off intermountain region loyalists between the Westcoast Syndicates and the Pattton's Nationalist territory. The Utah and Nevada State Guards, National Guard, and elements of the 19th corps form the basis of their defense forces. Isolated from the main bodies of Unionists and with Mormons being persecuted by the National Front throughout the greater region, the Church of Latter Day Saints is becoming more and more involved in defenses and strategy, the state force has been renamed the Navuoo Legion, and the Sons of Dan militia has been reformed.

The Republic of Haiti
Selected by Hatians but approved by the U.S. occupation forces, President Louis Borno returned to office in the snap election called during the Americans' constitutional crisis, replacing the US-selected and pro-Dominican president Stenio Joseph Vincent. As his previous time as president, however, Borno continues to work closely with whom he believes to be the legitimate U.S. authorities, the C-Gov. The U.S. garrison force, while suffering from in-fighting before the Nationalist mutineers were put down with the help of the Hatians, has provided the weapons Haiti requires to defend itself from the Dominicans.

Republic of Cuba
Ex-president Fulgencio Baptista has seized power once more, and is in support of MacArthur's junta; allowing Nationalist military access to Cuba.

Dominican Republic
Megalomaniacal dictator General Rafael Leonidas Trujillo supports the Nationalists and allows their ships and those of their Anti-Komintern allies to dock in Dominican ports, while he conducts his war against Haiti.

Occupied Nicaragua
The garrison commander of the U.S. occupation forces in Nicaragua is in the unique position of giving the Nationalists a shot at a coordinated land/sea attack to seize the Canal Zone. He knows how valuable what he's offering is, which is why he has yet to allow very many of MacArthur's men into the country yet - and it is difficult enough with the Canal naval taskforce blocking major Nationalist naval landings. So far he has enough to defend himself and to launch raids, but not enough for him to be deposed for a more reliable Nationalist to take over.

MEXICO: The Second Christero War
- The popular President Cardenas assassinated during one of his famously unprotected journeys, he was the only Mexican President of his time to not employ bodyguards and travel by armored car. The identity of assassin is disputed by different factions, but in fact it was a CROM trade unionist angered at the president's promotion of the alternative CTM union federation.
- Exploiting Cardenas' death, former President Calles seizes power; causing a rift in the increasingly socialist National Revolutionary Party between his supporters - who maintain control in the capital and central Mexico in general - and the leftist faction, which moves to its greatest base of support in the poor South.
- The reascension of Calles, who had waged war upon the Catholic Church and caused the First Christero War, leads to a reformation of the Christeros around Gualadajara.
- Northern Mexico is in effect a warlord state, "Aridoamerica", "ruled" to some degree by military officers turned deserter and bandit, and waiting for one of the warring factions to either demonstrate a weakness so they can be usurped or to make them an offer meriting cooperation. Aridoamerica is a leaky sieve through which gunrunners and human traffickers get in and out of the United States, with frequent American retaliatory aids and occupations of border towns.

Commonwealth of the Philippines

Nationalists
The U.S. garrison force in the Philippines declared for MacArthur after a short and bloody internal fight, and have been fighting the loyalists of the U.S. administration and the local Philippino parliament and army ever since.

Unionists
Governor-General Frank Murphy has the American administration, the Philippine Parliament, and the local Philippine Army at his disposal against the Nationalist garrison revolt. The place of the Asiatic Squadron in defending the islands navally from Japanese aggression primarily has been taken by a British detachment, freeing up the Squadron to aid the unionist fight in the States.

Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
Governor-General Theodore Roosevelt Jr. is in command, assisted by the local security forces after the U.S. garrison decamped to join the Army of the Mississippi in the fight for Florida.

Hawaii (Nationalist)
The Pacific Fleet (and Hawaiian Garrison): Admiral Joseph M. Reeves in command and also head of the Fifth Military District (civil affairs of Hawaii), headquartered in Honolulu.

- 5th Group (Composite), Air Corps at Luke Field, Hawaii
- 18th Pursuit Group, Air Corps at Wheeler Field, Hawaii

Nationalists
A Nationalist militia, with a backbone of military/reservist/guard/territorial militia mutineers, is headquartered in Fairbanks; while the self-proclaimed Canadian White Army is in exile from the syndicalist controlled B.C. and Canadian prairie, currently in Sitka by way of Prince Rupert.

Unionists
Governor John Weir Troy, the Territorial government based out of Juneau but with a strong presence in Anchorage as well.
Their defense forces are formed around their state and National guard units and elements of the 9th corps and are based in Anchorage.

Alaskan Outpost
With Soviet transportation and equipment, the West Coast Syndicates landed a small occupation and observation force in Nome, Alaska.

Guam (National held)

American Samoa (National held)

Panama Canal Zone (Union held)
The Panama Canal Combined Force (including naval taskforce): Admiral Frank B. Upham is in command, with not only a large section of loyalists from the main U.S. navy presence, the Battle Force in the Pacific, but also with those forces land/air/sea already stationed in the Canal Zone.
Governor Julian Larcombe Schley was the Panama Canal Company's Governor, a Army Corps of Engineers officer, before the coup. The administrative seat of the Canal Zone is the Balboa district of Panama City.
16th Pursuit Group, Air Corps at Albrook Field in the Canal Zone
6th Group (Observation), Air Corps at France Field in the Canal Zone

The Virgin Islands (Union)

Albion Hall, San Francisco: The Supreme Council
- Alameda Central Labor Hall, Oakland: The Greater San Francisco Council
- Portland Central Labor Hall, Portland: The Greater Portland Council
- Washington Central Labor Hall, Seattle: The Greater Seattle Council

Notable Syndicalists
- Harry Bridges, Representative on the Supreme Council: Dockworker and Wobblie union organizer from Australia who immigrated to the U.S. and joined the Communist Party.
- Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, Representative on the Portland Council: The retired famous Wobblie, once known as "The Rebel Girl".
- Robert Oppenheimer, People's Deputy: Formerly of New York, a professor at Berkeley and liberal activist in support of the strike that preceded the revolution.
- Howard Scott, People's Deputy: New Yorker and Technocracy activist in California giving a speech to the movement's political supporters when the revolution broke out. Now Deputized by the Supreme Council on matters of industry, production, and efficiency.
- Robert Hale Merriman, Revolutionary Guard Captain: University of California professor, ROTC supervisor, and leftist.
- Herman Bottcher, Revolutionary Guard Major: Immigrant German cabinet maker studying at SF State College when the revolution began.
- Other RG officers: Hollywood screenwriter Alvah Bessie; noted surgeon Leo Eloesser; Oregonian Robert G. Thompson; Washingtonian student Henry Wayland Randall; and Robert Heinlein, former aide of the slain Governor Upton Sinclair.

>>16960126

Notes on the Revolutionary Guard and the military situation:
The need to split up the Nationalist Battle Force fleet in the Pacific, in order to bolster their Atlantic defenses against the threat of loyalist allied European naval power should they declare open war against the Nats, scrapped immediate plans for a naval invasion of the Syndicates for the time being; with the Soviet Union maintaining a naval presence with their Far East Fleet.

The Revolutionary Air Corps
- 20th Pursuit Group, Air Corps at Mather Field near Sacramento
- 17th Pursuit Group, Air Corps at March Field, East of Los Angeles
- 1st Consolidated Bomber Group, Air Corps at Mather Field; formed from what planes from the 7th Bombardment and 19th Bomb could be transported rather than destroyed when the Red Guard were pushed North of San Diego by the Nationalists (securing the vital Nationalist resupply route via their Battle Force fleet in the Pacific)


The California National Guard and the majority of the all-Reservist 9th Corps formed the initial basis of the Revolutionary Air Corps. The State Guard formed the core of the counter-revolutionary force, and some units are still in hiding in rural California or decamped to join the Nationalist Third Army in the Southwest.

Headquartered in Vancouver, B.C., this union of revolutionary syndicates is headed by Arthur "Slim" Evans, ex-Wobblie member of the Communist Party of Canada and formerly the head of the Relief Camp Workers Union; under his leadership the On-to-Ottawa-Trek of protesting relief camp workers used the distraction of the American coup to follow the West Coast example and strike a blow for "workers' liberty"; seizing arms and making their stand at Regina, where they turned back the Canadian militia while revolutionary sailors incited Vancouver into an industrial occupation.

The Prairie Syndicates are joined at the hip with West Coast policy, and are even more heavily Soviet influenced due to less trained soldiers and arms available to them as compared with their West Coast comrades.

- Dux
- Proconsuls and other Legates (including the Praefect of the Praetorian Guard)
- Cohorts (led by Tribunes)
- Chapters (led by Centuries)
- Magistrates and their Lictors
They also maintain an Air Legion and naval Cutter Legion

Besides the upper ranks, Praetorian Guards, and Lictors the main classes of ranks within the Legion are Legionaries (veteran soldiers in officer positions leading younger recruits), Numerii (second-tier veteran soldiers that didn't cut it as officers in the Legion proper and are used as officers for Auxilia or Milites and in support roles), Aediles (Legion military police), Auxilia (non-Legionary combat units attached as subordinates to Legion formations), and Milites (militia with civilian arms raised from sympathizers as parallel units to "unreliable" local defense volunteers). Frumentarii are intelligence operatives, and may be Legionary officers, civilian sympathizers, or anything in-between. They may be reporting to anyone from a lower officer to a Century, Tribune, or Magistrate. Proconsuls and other Legates often have Magistrates or ranking Legionary officers in charge of a ring of Frumentarii.

While in many cases during the war they carry National Army equipment, and when cut off from major National strongholds often have to use odd combinations of civilian, scrounged/recovered, and purchased weapons from various sources; the most typical equipment for the Legion are provided, and in some-cases custom-designed, for them by the American Liberty League - specifically Remington Arms. Co, a DuPont company. This is where the modified Great War uniforms and new Fascist Legion badges came after they officially changed the name in 1933.

Well that's what I have so far in the current format; I do have some additional information I need to put into this format but most of all I need to continue the work I've begun in fleshing out what were originally just a list of factions with a list of names of people in them to specific people in specific parts of the country with specific incarnations of the faction. It is a shame, Nationalists were so easy to research because the wikipedia page for critics of the New Deal by type (industrialists, politicians, authors, etc.) and by ideology (bourbon democrats, conservatives democrats, conservative republicans, southern agrarians) was so useful.

What do you think of the new format, keeping in mind currently sparse articles will be fleshed out and there is formatting in place that doesn't translate to the posts?

Holy shit son. You need to cut this down to a premise if you want input.

>>16960758

Premise is >>16958989 to >>16959095

>>16960636
This is amazingly detailed, but too detailed to get my head around quickly.

>>16960775
No, you need an introductory premise. Like, something that fits in a post.

>>16960636
Its very detailed from a military stand point, but to work as a setting I need to know about economic and political influences working behidn this.

What were the policies of the new facisitic american government? How was industry maintained considering the divides?

This seems like a very fast paced kind of warfare, with armies chasing each other around the map. Any sieges?

>>16960782

MacArthur and a collection of fascists and industrialists who hate the New Deal stage a coup against President Roosevelt, starting a civil war between Mac's Nationalists and the Loyalists/Unionists (I'm still vacilitating on the commonly used name; we call the Spanish Republicans the Republicans because neither side could agree on any other name, they called themselves loyalists and the Nats called them fukken xenos commies).

Shit is all fucked up, and even though there are two governments (FDR's sec of state succeeded him, cacked it, and was himself succeeded) each with armies under their command there is a lot of fluidity and militia on militia fighting.

>>16960802
Good.

>>16960789

The current area format has been helping me with that, thinkign of the factions and armies as forces in a given area geographically rather than as names on a bulleted list. I know right now it is a lot of vague stuff and mostly the history of how this militia or army here or there got together, and even that only for certain entries (didn't detail the armies outside of new england nearly as much; inspiration strikes hard and then gradually powers down). But I can definitely write more about how the cabinet's of both governments actually operate, what they are actually doing; about the C-Gov's US bank and the N-Gov's American National Bank, about the British Relief in C-Gov territory and about the various international corporations doing business with the Nats.

I could even go into how the American Liberty League are exporting the Ford model of legbreaking overseers on the factory floor across National america; and bring in the economic side of the Caribbean theater as British and German boats dodge each other doing the Jamaican and Cuban trade respectively.

>>16960789
From what the OP has put out... isn't New York under siege? Because it seems to be a Loyalist stronghold surrounded by a FUCKTON of Nationalist forces.

Also, OP, what exactly would be the "goal" for PC's playing this as a game? Are they trying to reunite the US of A? Are they trying to escape a situation and survive? Right now it just seems like: Here's a sandbox, play in it.

Don't get me wrong, I like that. But the sandbox at this point might be a bit... big. And there is of course running the danger of having a setting that's too complicated. (I confess I still have no fucking idea why I should care about the West Coast Syndicates or the Midwest.)

>>16960832
That's good, but can you give us a feeling for what the actual civies and boots on the ground are like during all of this?

Their impression of what's happening, their opinions, etc. Was anyone really expecting a coup? General public's reaction toward it? Media?

I need something more concrete that I can relate too. So far all I get the feeling is "Such and such individual was at Y and moved to Z, creating an oppertunity for etc. to..."

>>16960789

Not under a notable commander, but elements of the First National are always probing at Pittsburgh; The Bonus Army has it's warlord gig despite the C-GOv being so close because A. General Butler is trusted but B. someone needs to just defend Pittsburgh from opportunistic sieges. It is kind of a border guard outfit, the Black Watch so to speak.

Vandegrift and elements of the Army of the Mississippi are putting pressure on Atlanta but they can't take it because they're overstretched from HQ as it is, and they're having a hard enough time even with seasoned tropical troops from the Puerto Rican garrison taking the Florida peninsula.

Birmingham is a fucking nightmare, technically doable militarily, but the focal point of guerrilla activity in the deep south.

Krueger has elements of the AoMiss based out of Houston fighting elements of the Third Nationals out of Austin, neither side really getting anywhere.

Ike is fucking wasted watching the West bank because they never know when Patton is going to steam across all that flat expanse to the Old Miss with his tanks.

New York City is constantly fighting for its survival, and there is an atmosphere of plucky resistance and impending doom both.

The New England line is basically static - a goddamn trenched up razorwire nightmare, while every ablebodied old man and boy combs the beaches fearing an aquatic landing, even with British ships watching their back from Bermuda.

Lt. Gen Marshall is similarly dealing with WWI style warfare with the National enclave in Michigan, and the fact that the Nationals never miss an opportunity to launch a commando raid against the Toledo Communards, who are not easy for Marshall to deal with and keep leashed, is a pain in the neck.

>>16960853

The Syndicate revolution, I've posted the history here before, but to avoid an assault of verbiage, let's just say that in this timeline Upton Sinclair won the gubernatorial election and of course handled the West Coast Waterfront Strike, a real fucking thing that triggered the other two big May strikes that really did last as long as to July, with a softer touch being a socialist.

This leads to, after word of the coup breaks out, the State Guard is not got machine guns on the strikers in the port cities that are underoing general strikes (as in real life) but are instead out in the rural parts of the state peacekeeping a farm company/migrant worker conflict.

So you have a lot of National Guard concentrated in the populous coast get caught up in the Revolution, and are able to ouster the State Guard who are stranded up in the hills surrounded by Okies that hate them.

The Revolution, like the Strike, was more or less inspired by the general set of ex-Wobblie Communist Party members, half-anarchist half Stalinist really. Leading to an interesting situation.

With the Nats holding Hawaii and a big ass fleet there (the bulk of US naval forces were in the pacific Battle Force; parts of which went loyal and half of the nat portion had to bolster the puny Atlantic scouting fleet so that the Brits didn't just get cocky and decide to enter the war entirely and sail up the Potomac; but still there are a lot of Nat ships in the Pacific) there is always the threat they could invade the West Coast navally; but the Soviets have the Far East fleet involved and the Nats have to worry about ressupplying the Third and Fourth armies via San Diego, given that there is no land route to those western Nat area from the Eastcoast anymore and the Brits and French do so well in the Caribbean shooting Nat supply ships.

>>16960874

As with real life, the Depression changed a lot. You went from the Red Scare and Palmer Raids in 1920, a real bad time for the left, to the populace being a lot more populist after the 29 Crash. In real life the Crash even moderated the American Legion's previous angry anti-left vigilantism nastiness, but here of course they get their real life wish and Mussolini shows up at their convention 1930.

The biggest twist is that Warren Grimm, who in real life died in 1919 when his Legion chapter in Washington state attempted to smash up a Wobblie hall (and there was a Wobblie vet with a rifle, who gave them hell before being riddled with bullets, hung twice, and castrated not in that order) in this timeline survives a bullet to the gut and lives to be a bitter fanatically anti-leftist figure in the Legion. Being a former corporal, basically he's an ideal parallel to Hitler. He winds up elected nat commander despite his low rank during the war in '33, signifying how much the organization has changed by then.

With the Fascist Legion and militant industrial unions fighting on the streets in May and June, the populace could probably have sensed something would happen - but I think that many people would be outright shocked that Roosevelt would actually wind up on the wrong side of it. That's where the real life Business Plot this is based off of comes in, initially the putschists have Roosevelt under house arrest and have a General Secretary running the country in his name, force him to sign documents, etc.

By the time they don't need him anymore, that they've had him sign a document appointing their guy in this case Mac the new veep, his "ill-health" their cover story for his house arrest, takes a nasty turn and he "dies of his life-long affliction of polio".

>>16961001
Ohgod. What is the goal, man? What kind of potential PCs do you envisage, and how might they be feeling?

Without it being intentional, my logical extrapolation of Secretary of State Cordell Hull's continuity government following his own death by Klan guerrillas in my setting winded up with a government fascist types and even regular old rotarians like Mac would really hate: The President is Henry Morgenthau Jr., Jewish liberal and FDR pal. The governor-general of New England is Herbert Lehman, a Jewish Republcian from New York (I'm sure the New English are thrilled to be headed by a New Yorker, but the Governors left are solid new dealers and are lying back and thinking of New England so to speak), the Governor-General of the Midwest is Henry Horner, also Jewish, and the Gulf region has Huey Long, a corrupt and fiery populist who has been pissing off segregationist Democrats in the South for years.

I'm thinking you might want to write a book, not an RPG setting.

>>16961011

While Nationalist campaigns are possible, and there are an array of factions from the not so bad to the really bad, generally I envision it ranging from cold opportunism to take advantage of a civil war to make a profit and a heroic struggle against a dictatorship aka Nazi-punching, with a somewhat morally gray James Bond type area of intrigue and espionage between.

Flying columns of the loyalist army, or the nationalist army for that matter, have lots of autonomy and go pretty far behind enemy lines in the shifting landscape. Intelligence operatives, both sides have intelligent outfits, do similar with slightly less shooting.

There's all sorts of militias, partisan groups, and ideological guerrillas within the enveloping folds of either side mentioned; an International Brigade might be fighting the good fight hither while communist spies and assassins do nasty stuff yonder, and that's on the same side of the war and even just among the leftists; without even getting into the political machines and provincialism. A Democratic machine boss in one city might be paying a group of adventurous scoundrels good dollar to smuggle profitable merchandise not essential to the war effort; while the Liberty Committee of pro-Nationalist local bigshots, the mayor and sherrif and other mason lodge/rotary club/what-have-you members in a small town may be similarly more interested in making a buck or just protecting their small town than in delivering unto MacArthur what MacArthur asks for.

>>16961097

Generally, it is the mid-20th century. The historical analysis is that modernism is at an apex and everyone has an ideology they are willing to fight and die for; be it democracy, socialism, fascism, anarchy, communism. And simultaneously, practically speaking civil wars create lots of opportunities - and just like the Spanish one there are going to be mercenary tank drivers and pilots on either side, and foreign reporters, and a general unreal quality of media sensationalism and international attention.

I imagine the PCs would be some sort of spies or independent agents with free reign to travel wherever they please. Once they choose a side they can be smugglers, gun-runners, human traffickers, spies, whatever. They could be loyalist PCs and sneak in and blend into Birmingham kill all the KKK at a rally and allow the C-gov forces to take the area or something. Make it kind of an area by area type thing, they smuggle arms to the negroes in the area and they can rise up allowing C-gov troops in. The PCs are rewarded in whatever way the DM sees fit. Or nationalists sympathizers going to meet ol' Hitler to negotiate for aid and ending up thwarting a plot on his life. I see this setting as full of great adventures for PCs with just a little imagination. Kinda like RT or something as long as you can vary the quests in a good way and keep the setting nebulous/fluid/new every time.

>>16959313
>Lovecraft leading the resisstance.

I like the brief premise, but then the massive list of names, names names loses me. It's boring, serves no real purpose and should probably be stuck in an appendix somewhere.

>>16962522

Not to offend, but that makes absolutely no sense and possibly the worst piece of advice I have ever heard; and I've not heard, trolls aside, one piece of bad advice on this project so far until now.

>>16962767
That's probably the same guy who nay-says this thread every time it shows up.

>>16963319

Not necessarily, though I'm glad you don't think I was being too rude. The comment just irked me. After going ultra precise and relatively concise lists and just adding and improving and changing things, the people who really like the project a lot just made it clear that I had to find a different way to present the material, so it took me quite a while to even hone in on it which is why a lot of entries here are sparse but I finally got comfortable describing the forces of each geographical area, area by by area, and telling the history of the war in that area that way as well, organically as I describe the force/faction. I've really hit upon a format that seems to follow the continuous flow of the suggestions from the people who care about the project, and it wasn't easy for me to hone in on, because I've been afraid of taking advice A one time and then being told next time by someone else to do the exact opposite.

A thought occurs to me, mulling over this thread and the other '34 Putsch stuff. The main problem seems to be one of organizing the information, not necessarily of the OP being bad. But a question comes to mind: Does Italy, Germany, and any of the other fascist countries try to get supplies over to Mac's Nationalists?

Also: What sort of system would the RPG for the '34 Putsch be using? I imagine a D100 system could work.

>>16965328

They do. The North Atlantic sees the least action, as the original US scouting fleet there was small, and while both loyal New England the national East Coast bolstered their forces with ships from the much larger Pacific Battle Force of the U.S. Navy, the focus remains on coastal security and preventing invasions rather than on trade blockades; what with the heavy European traffic, the Europeans don't want to wind up in an open war with each other.

Whereas the Caribbean are the high seas of fucking adventure, with German merchantmen being taken down by the Royal Navy and German u-boats based out of National-allied Cuba doing the same to British and French supply ships. But the French and Brits have the upper hand, Cuba and the Dominican being on the Nationalist side or not; which is why the main supply route to the Nationalists in the West (the third army in the southwest and the fourth in the plains) is through San Diego. It was a member of the Westcoast Syndicates before Malin Craig invaded, creating a corridor through which the dominant Nationalist presence in the near Pacific (they control Hawaii after all) could be pressed to their advantage to resupply the areas cut off when the middle of the Gulf Coast was taken by loyalists in '35.

>>16965328

To further clarify...

Britain and France recognize the C-Gov as the one legitimate U.S. government

The Anti-Komintern (Germany, Italy, and Japan) recognize the American National Government as the one legitimate U.S. government

The Soviet Union are keeping their mouth shut should the West Coast syndicates prove fruitful, but they give materiel support especially through Comintern controlled International Brigades to loyalist forces at do business with C-Gov; with New York for instance having already done quite a bit of trade with Soviet state corporations before the coup.

Many other nations do not recognize one above the other and have embassies from both or neither, as their U.S. embassies/consulates take no stand, transmit materials from both, or from neither.

>>16966846

Many nations supply volunteers to one or the other: the governments of Bulgaria and Greece for instance provided volunteer battalions to the Nationalists, numbered among the so-called "White Brigades" of anti-communist volunteers along with the unofficial volunteers sent against the wishes of their governments by far-right parties in France, Britain, and Belgium. On the other side of the coin, even nations not recognizing the C-Gov have citizens who have volunteered in the International Brigades (generally leftists or centrist members of anti-fascist organizations) and there have also been military veterans and adventurers signed up by the American War Volunteers organization, a private infantry volunteer outfit operating with the blessing of the pro-C-gov but anti-socialist conservative governments of Britain and France.

In addition to these unofficial infantry volunteers, there are official military volunteer outfits from the major players: the Commonwealth Expeditionary Force from Britain (armor, air, artillery; no infantry), the Republican Expeditionary force from France (likewise), the German Eagle Korps (again, no infantry), and the Italian Corps of Volunteer Troops (low-quality Fascist militia infantry).

>>16962329

Well there is the military campaign, which is best suited to a party of adventurers in the context of a flying column ala the Irish War of Independence, and borrowed as the preferred format for the wargame A Very British Civil War. A small formation of troops, highly mobile, able to well I'll let the Wikipedia article explain more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_column

Then there is militia/guerrilla/civilian-in-a-warzone stuff which is pretty much the same as any time you drop the characters into a setting. The players will want to form a faction and gain strength and followers, or will want to get rich or just get out or devise other goals for themselves.

For mission-based stuff with more structure than a flying column or less straight out military, both sides have various intelligence operations - the more civilian Office of Intelligence for the C-gov and the more military intel Strategic Services for the NatGov; there are also military recon units on both sides, as well as the dreaded National Police (and their civilian spies from the ranks of vigilante societies) and the Exalted Cyclops of the Klan's intelligence arm. On the anti-MacArthur side of the fence, British Intelligence is lending quite a hand and you would be amazed how much the River Patrols pick up on the old Muddy; not to mention the clandestine communist underground network.

>>16968094

Perhaps most straightforward would be dropping them into one of the fronts as a mercenary outfit, as mercenary tankers/artillerymen/pilots were common in the Spanish Civil War for instance, and allowing them to experience first hand what is going on and to pick who they want to work for based on whatever rubric they feel applies to their characters best - pay, nobility of the cause, amount of excitement/glory or how much of a cakewalk it should be.

For more "far from the battle lines" type but still mission focused/task oriented play, Federal Agents of the C-Gov or Nationalist Gendarmes, or apparatchniks in the Syndicates, could have a variety of missions on the evershifting "home front".

Then there's smuggling through the porous US-Mexican border, playing Rick from Casablanca in the Caribbean Theater, and getting caught up in the local affairs of places like Panama City, Haiti, and the Philippines.

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>>16962509

It's not exactly a heroic role for Lovecraft, but I figured it was a bit of fanservice that fit into the whole "many small points of divergence from real history" thing I was doing with 1920's and 30's America to get the coup/civil war result. Lovecraft coming out of his failed marriage and failed time in New York City, which catalyzed his worst racism, and becoming a major and respected media figure and opinion commentator in New England is one of the signs that this America was even more highly polarized in 1934 than it really was.

I also just liked the idea of besides just the regular New England National Front that there was another group that hated the loyalist administration in New England but that were New England nationalists/separatists instead. And once I settled on that, Lovecraft was an obvious figure to lead them.

A tension between the Free Saxons and the National Gov even though they are theoretically on the same side is that the Saxons are Anglophiles and hoping that should they ever manage to take over New England (unlikely) that they can negotiate a separate peace with Britain. They, like Hitler in WWII don't see why Britain has to stay an enemy.

There is also the fact that it is not extremely difficult for nationalist sympathizers in Canada to violate their country's support of British support of C-Gov, especially the isolationists/racist groups in Newfoundland and Prince Edwards Isle and fascists in Quebec, by smuggling through fishing boats or the allied New England-Canada border small arms and cash for the Free Saxons or National Frontists.

For civilians and militia fighting there are some obvious options.

On the loyalist side:
- The loyalist Democrats and Republicans in New England and the Midwest are often guilty of machine politics in major urban centers; creating a preexisting organizational structure between the municipal elected offices, the bureaucracy and public employees, the private sector, and political interest groups.
- Besides federal agents, bureaucrats, and administrators like both sides have, the C-gov uniquely has a lot of relief agencies, especially active in the countryside between urban centers. You have the Civilian Conservation Corps that took up arms after the coup, Farm Relief agents traveling through countryside (a great target for bandits and National guerrillas), and Resettlement caravans moving refugees from National areas and homeless/jobless from the cities into the countryside in lightly armed caravans.

On the National side of things:
- Political machines are replaced with old boys networks; with sheriffs, mayors, and pillars of the community united by informal bonds or groups such as the Elks, Kiwanis Club, Civitas, or the Freemasons running things openly now in the name of war-time powers and keeping the damn reds out of their community.
- The major corporations are not only having to patch up shattered logistical networks, but have the fortune of having free reign to handle it with their own private armies, and are able to coordinate their security forces and supplement them through the American Liberty League; which also acts as a great propaganda and recruitment arm for corporate governance.

>>16962329

Even the question of which side you are on can be murky, and there's a lot of localism not to mention division between the different factions on each side of the war.

Lots of regular folks have been made militant by the American Workers Union, but this is not a result of ideological conditioning but circumstance; with the industrial unions not having a proper voice before the coup and after the coup with Matthew Woll (who in real life did have the AFL cooperate with pro-fascist groups to root out communists) provoking mass desertion of the AFL for the AWU by even conservative craft unions like the carpenters, with his declaration that the railroads and other services should cooperate with MacArthur's government and army.

If you are a Worker, you're kind of like the frontline fighter of the New Deal against the ideologically conservative supporters of MacArthur, even while the two armies of the two official governments duke it out.

Meanwhile, the ideological battle between liberals, leftists, socialists, commies, and other anti-fascists; symbolized by the Popular Front; and the Legion of American Fascists would exist even without the coup and the MacArthur junta.

You have the battle between brothers kind of thing with loyalist Democrats and Republicans fighting the nationalist half of their own parties; but you also have the distinction/separation between those groups and their respective leftist and fascist outlying wings in the war.

And the situation is different from place to place. In some places the entire loyalist side is under the Popular Front banner, other places the C-Gov and New Deal Coalition have a tight-knit reign and are themselves at times trying to suss out just who is and isn't a dirty commie.

>>16959413

Ford: Founder of Ford Motors, wrote a book condemning "the international jew", spawned an ideology called Fordism based around scientific management of society, actually supported FDR but here he turned from him once the labor troubles began starting in early 34, just like Hearst and Coughlin and other initially pro-New-Deal members of the radical/non-traditional right.

Snell: Leader of the Republicans in the House, and a natural pick as the leader of the Republicans in the Senate was a full-on pro-New-Dealer, whereas Snell was anti-New-Deal (a Conservative).

Dulles: in real life was Eisenhower's Sec of State, but he was already in his 40's in the 1930's and involved in the Republican Party, and was in real life banking with Nazi Germany until 1938.

- Stimson: a solid hawk, he was Taft's Secretary of War and in real life was picked as a replacement by FDR for the duration of WWII. Not a horrible villain but not a nice man either, he was firmly of the mind that the U.S. should maintain administrative control over Nicaragua and the Philippines indefinitely. Then again, on similar grounds Cordell Hull was not a very nice man, so their respective positions on the sides of this civil war are mostly a trick of fate rather than some distinction of their respective characters.

Jardine: Coolidge's Secretary of Agriculture, ambassador to Egypt until 33, under the Hoover administration.

McAdoo: well known Democratic senator and former Wilson cabinet member. A Tennessean who fell on the pro-Klan side of the pro/anti divide in the Democratic party in the 20's when they tried to make Catholic Al Smith president. Again, could have just easily wound up a loyalist.

As a thematic consequence of the Westcoast Syndicates (and thus the Prairie Syndicates in western Canada), I had what was originally just going to be a completely safe loyalist enclave in Alaska beset upon by a "White Army" of anti-communist Canadians fleeing/exiled by the Syndicates and choosing to stay in the northwest in hopes of getting their homes back some day rather than going east to rejoin the surviving main part of the Canadian nation.

So the main nationalist force in Alaska are actually rogue Canadians, and their main beef is not actually with the C-gov or Governor Troy, but with the Syndicates.

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National Police: Director J. Edgar Hoover's internal security directorate, a notoriously thuggish secret police that disappears people in the middle of the night and has large networks of civilian spies and informants.
Gendarmes: The separate military police tasked with policing the civilian populace, commanded by General Hugh Drum. Generally on the up and up.
Military Police: The internal police force of the National Army and other military branches.
Strategic Services: The National government's intelligence arm, formed by a military signals officer and still carrying the trappings of military intelligence.
State Militia, farmed out to National Government (in the East) or National Army (in the military governed western nationalist areas) officials.

>>16984506
Legion Numerii and Milites: The second-stringers that provide Fascist Legion security and support roles, and the local militia of pro-Legion activists.
The Klan: ranging from nighthawks (klavern security and mobilized members) to the Exalted Cyclops' intelligence network
Company police and League watchmen: The private security forces of National industry and the armed goons of their political organization, the American Liberty League.
Liberty Committees: Nationalist local militias formed by local authorities such as sheriffs, mayors, and local economic bigshots.
Vigilantes: Organizations such as the American Defense Society and others, that exist to provide supplementary muscle to company and government security forces, especially when it involves taking out reds, trade unionists, and minority groups.
Other National Front militia: Ranging from local part-time outfits to independent paramilitary units that move participate in the sprawling fronts of the war, these are not only local and regional organizations but also branches and manifestations of Nationalist movements such as the Conservatives (as per the Conservative Manifesto of North Carolina's Governor Bailey), the Bourbons (Southern free trade activists, particularly emblemified by Governor Ritchie of Maryland and the exiled Senator of Missouri), the Christian Frontists in the Midwest, and the Agrarians (motivated by "I'll Take My Stand" and other manifestos of the Southern Agrarian movement originally based around the academic community of Nashville and Vanderbilt university)
The Civilian Air Volunteers: