Why is the road bright green?

Only stereotypical druids. They don't have to hate cities. They could work to help societies live in balance with nature. I have no idea how they would work out using up minerals though.

Considering that in DnD "nature" is apparently a very real force in the universe that can give you the power to turn into a motherfucking BEAR, I don't think there's anything retarded about favoring it.

>>17176530
Birds would take over everything if they had 30 more IQ.

There are urban druids, you know.

>>17176556
A hop, skip, and a jump over to the elemental plane of earth?

Because fuck you, nature.

Obviously.

>>17176560
no i think what he means is the human cities aren't unnatural otherwise we'd see druids burning down birds nests and kicking down termite mounds.

played as a more subversive druid once


argued that there was more life in the kitchen of an inn then in your average forest, got kicked out of his order as a result

>>17176544
Why is the sky blue?

>>17176561
Crows have already domesticated intelligence on par with even the smartest primates.

It's a little scary how smart they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

>>17176606
I once saw a video of a crow some guys were experimenting on

they were trying to teach him how to get food out of a box by bending a metal wire into shape

at night when they were gone (but left a camera to record everything) the bird managed to open his own cage using that same metal wire to shape it as a hook, climbed out, headed for the laptop the researchers were using to record the data on him, completely thrashed it leaving everything else unharmed, went back into his cage and locked the door pretending nothing had happened


that right there is some clear sign of intelligence and hatred for humans

>>17176603
Reflection of the water.

>>17176606
Aren't ravens smarter? They already understand how to use tools and can get food by letting cars crush nuts then wait for the walk sign to light up to grab their food.

>>17176641
crows are about as intelligent as ravens however they have one key advantage

crows are socially oriented while ravens are more individually oriented

so crows can (and will, they started a good 30 or 40 years back) teach and learn from others resulting in a much faster accumulation of knowledge

there's even some hints crows are starting to learn a sort of actual language. The ones that do this are often the ones that live near large human settlements. So it could even be they're learning from us

>>17176631
Crows also have a vocal language. They can describe facial features talking about someone they saw.

>>17176672
referring to the "masked boogeyman" experiment?

>>17176672
how do we know that? can researchers speak fowl?

>>17176631
this is awesome, where did you watch this?

>>17176677
Yeah that was an interesting study

>>17176636
no, its the other way around, the ocean is blue because its reflecting the blue sky

>>17176682
no but they noticed crows were relaying abstract information to eachother

some researchers started scaring and messing with crows while wearing specific masks to the point the animals hated them

then they released them in a park and went in the park with the masks on

they were attacked by completely unrelated crows if they entered the park with masks on but not without

so basically the released crows told their buddies the humans with masks were assholes and should be attacked at all costs

>>17176698
They went even farther than that, in fact.

They did all that shit, in fact, but also went and fucked with some crows who had chicks already, let the kids grow up, and then, years later, used the masks on the kids.

Turns out, years later and just by watching their parents, crows can remember the faces of people who fucked with them.

>>17176631
They've also been shown to be capable of meta tool use, IE, not just bending a wire to open the cage, but using a stick to get at a wire to bend to open the cage. Shit like that has only been seen in stuff like primates.

They'll also try and fool each other, like when hiding food. They'll make false hiding places they check out when other crows are around, and then go get whatever they're hiding while the other crows are busy being distracted.

>>17176698
that is really cool. I want a pet crow.

>>17176731
They're cool pets, but incredible social animals.

Either you'd need to get two, or be ready to spend a whole lot of time with it.

>>17176688
Actually water does have a blue tint to it. It's very faint in a glass of water, but when you start getting thousands of gallons together it becomes apparent, even if the sky isn't there, like in an aquarium.

Yes, most aquariums use special lighting, but when they're just regularly lit, the water is still blue.

http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/5.html

>>17176698
link because that sounds unbelievable

>>17176729
some guy managed to make a deal with crows

he put a vending machine somewhere that dispenses bird food in exchange for coins, made it easy for crows to use and then taught a few crows how to use it. A few years later he's making like 500 to 1000 bucks a month from those things


yes he managed to teach them to use MONEY

>>17176752
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/06/30/grudge-holding-crows-pass-on-their-anger-to-fam
ily-and-friends/

>>17176766
So wait the crows are pickpocketing people to get bird food, someone is making over 6k a year off of it and no one has tried to stop him? How does that not count as theft?

>>17176766
That is awesome

>>17176752
http://video.pbs.org/video/1621910826/

Video here.

>>17176729
actually they're the only animals that use high level meta tools other then humans

its theorized that the only reason crows never evolved further in our direction is because they lacked hands but since they have been able to observe humans for thousands of years and modern day cities work as an evolutionary environment where intelligence is the only skill that is rewarded they're finally picking up again

>>17176772
They're more than likely grabbing lost coins on the ground.

>>17176772
nah they're mostly picking up coins people lost and sometimes off tables or so

but since there's absolutely no way of knowing who the money belonged to and since the crows are not his personal animals it technically does not even count as theft since no regulation covers wild animals stealing money

basically they can't touch him cause nobody ever thought crows were that intelligent

>>17176772
because its for SCIENCE!!!!

>ITT how crows are awesome
CAW CAW CAW CAW

>>17176786
Okay, new plan in life: Start a company to place crow vending machines around various crow populated cities. Maybe import trained crows to teach new crows. Exploit untapped crow market to make money.

>>17176804
yeh using crows as laborers what could go wrong


new you know they start a union and demand voting rights

>>17176729
>Turns out, years later and just by watching their parents, crows can remember the faces of people who fucked with them.


Hello. My Name is Inigo Montoya. You scared my father. Prepare to die.

>>17176776
thanks, going to watch it now.

>>17176792
That's right. Fuck off government, fuck off companies, science art and philosophy don't have price tags. They pay you back in MANKIND'S GLORY!

>>17176821
Actually I take that back, "technical difficulties" my ass. Five bucks say that it's censored, is PBS an american channel?

>>17176819
its also been observed that crows avoid farms that killed other crows during the day and sometimes at night come back to destroy scarecrows

>>17176836
It's American, yes.

I'm watching it now, so yea.

>>17176828
You ivory tower intellectuals must not lose touch with the world
of industrial growth and hard currency. It is all very well and
good to pursue these high-minded scientific theories, but research
grants are expensive and you must justify your existence by providing
not only knowledge, but concrete and profitable applications as well.

I just wonder how to befriend a crow. Just a stray one. They are smart but they still have the flee instinct if you approach them and they dont understand how you could not have a hostile intent towards them.

Well and think of how awesome they could be as pets in a city. You can let them out and they could come back for food and sleep, much like cats. Except they can fucking fly and dont have to use stairs and such.

>>17176815
>they start a union and demand voting rights

To be fair, crows would probably vote more intelligently than some people.

>>17176840
>destroy scarecrows
My God! They are unstoppable!

>>17176845
He ain't got shit on this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hrYz_2uAk

>>17176819
Just watched that movie last night. You are awesome.

>>17176844
warez-bb to the rescue. downloading the episode in HD now.

>>17176836
Lol, technical bullshit here in Spain too. May some kind anon download and re-upload it?

>>17176853
>So effectively, crows are at somewhere near the same level of intellect as humans, except lacking any form of empathy or emotional understand. They have shown no sign of empathy for others of their kind, simply hatred towards creatures they identify as enemies, with no signs of positive emotions.

Sounds like they'd make good CEOs.

>>17176846
how the vending machine guy did it was raise a crow from birth and when its an adult let it communicate to other crows he's a pretty swell guy

It's interesting.

Out of all of the emotions listed, crows only seem to lack empathy/emotions and a sense of humour - perhaps counting too, if the crow vending machines simply accept any coin they put into it. If this isn't the case, then crows are able to fucking count.

So effectively, crows are at somewhere near the same level of intellect as humans, except lacking any form of empathy or emotional understand. They have shown no sign of empathy for others of their kind, simply hatred towards creatures they identify as enemies, with no signs of positive emotions.

In short, ladies and gentlemen, crows are highly intelligent psychopaths and the only boundary between them and us is their lack of opposable thumbs.

>>17176873
isn't that pretty much how every alien invasion/robot uprising movie begins?

>>17176853
Crows live in large, extended families, often including several generations. In fact, a crow might stay with it's parents for years, helping to care for it's brothers and sisters.

Plus, they've been shown to play with each other.

As far as fucking with humans, look up the toyko crows. They fuck with the guys trying to clean up their nests all the time.

>>17176846
I've got a bunch of crow bros, just chill outside and give them a bunch of food, they get used to you eventually.

>>17176846
>BEFREIND A CROW WHILE WEARING A MASK
>CROW THINKS MASK IS A BRO
>CROW TELLS OTHER CROWS MASK IS A BRO
>CROW BRO HAS CROW BABIES
>BABIES ARE INFORMED OF MASKS BRONESS
>YOU ARE NOW BRO WITH ALL THE CROWS
>?????
>PROFIT

MY LITTLE CROWNIES
BROSHIP IS SCIENCE

>>17176881
the vending machine works with any coin but crows have been observed to be capable of counting in other experiments and do basic equations, bit like apes

>>17176885
Would a crow wait for another crow with their leg caught in say, some wire meshing? Perhaps try to bend the wire to help its companion out?

>>17176888
>this is where the term "cronies" originated from

>>17176895
they lack human empathy so if it were advantageous to them they'd release them but not out of compassion

but since most city crows have learned there's strenght in numbers they might release them

>>17176893
It'd be easy enough to teach them that certain coins, based on size or color give more food.

IE, they'd bring more quarters than dimes or nickles.

>>17176901

>>17176895
More than likely, though if it's from empathy or from simply being a social animal would be hard to test.

>>17176903
yeh and in 15 years they say "fuck this" to the birdfood machines and start getting chocolate and cookies out of our vending machines

imagine that

... Okay, this entire thread is seriously calling into question the morality of testing on some of these animals. We've already found primates are very intelligent, if not having been able to develop the peculiar characteristic of humanity that is our constant drive to abstract reality and find meaning where there is none, and organizing and using technology built on technology, but clearly they are capable, in theory. And now we know crows are just as capable, perhaps more with their use of basic tool-making-tools, even with their lack of hands, because of their close proximity to humanity. Rise of The Planet of the Apes already demonstrates how shit could in theory go bad with primates, though it is fiction- I intend to see it soon- and so the same could happen with the Corvus.

If we keep being assholes to crows and ravens, then we're going to get usurped in a horrible The Birds-style rebellion. Well, maybe not usurped; we have great and terrible weapons to use against them. But it will result in the death of perhaps millions of sentient beings, man and crow alike, suffering unimaginable horrors; crows torn apart by birdshot and flak, men with their eyes torn out and flesh pecked to shreds, slashed or stabbed by primitive crow weaponry en masse. It'll probably start in Tokyo, where crows are considered serious pests and there is an ongoing cold war between man and crow.

I'm no environmentalist, but clearly we must respect our fellow sentients or near-sentients. Leave some birdseed out for the Corvus, gentlemen, as a sign of goodwill. I don't want to see this detente fail.

Interesting idea.

Can crows see colors?

Because if a crow could be taught that say, a letter in a BLUE tube needs to guy to person A, and a letter in a RED tube needs to go to person B...

Imagine sitting on a street corner, and this guy holds out a little plastic tube and like a crow comes down, grabs it, and leaves.

Then about an hour later, another crow comes back with a different colored tube, and is rewarded with birdseed.

Could you imagine how awesome it would be to train the Crows and Ravens of a city to act as a personal courier service?

>>17176903
Let's say if the machine requires a quarter.

Would you be able to train crows to be smart enough to use a quarter, or five nickels, or two dimes and nickel, or three nickels and a dime, or three dimes then save the nickel change for later?

This is the key part of counting. If crows are capable of doing this, then they can most certainly count.

>lace bird seed with steroids
>put bird seed out in area heavily populated with crows
>befriend crows
>teach them martial arts
>army of super crows

Problem, world?

>>17176921
you know I'd watch a series based on that

it is not at all surprising that numerous lifeforms other than human display what can be identifyed as inteligence

i dont really have the words to say this the right way but... to put it simply... inteligence is inherrent in material systems

dynamic complex systems have a tendency to behave in some inteligent, it even seems there is a general tendency to develop in inteligent ways trough inteligent solutions and into inteligent forms, by which i mean forms that display inteligent behaviour, basically 2 + 2 always equals 4, regardless of weather you are a human, a crow, a termite colony, a hive of rats or a swarm of coacroaches, or even a single cell organism, even cristal formations, even macromolecules, its just how things are, its actually kind of creepy... well it creeps the shit out of me
anyway...
i guess a religious person would see this as proof of "higher inteligence" but thats just it, theres nothing to point towards anything "higher" or even any force, at best its a set of laws, principles, abstractions


i now realise i sound like im stoned out of my skull...

>>17176901

>>17176925
the problem with training them is that in most cities crows have developed some distrust for humans or like in tokio: outright hatred

>>17176913
Well, let's try another one.

Would a crow bring feed to another crow that is crippled, perhaps with a broken wing or something similar? Specifically, a brother or sister, raised from hatchlings together.

>>17176929
I don't think anyone has tried it, but they're capable of a lot.

Another popular example is that crows are smart enough to drop walnuts high enough to crack the shell, but not so high everything breaks.

They've also been shown to wait at crosswalks, drop walnuts in front of the cars, wait for them to crush them open, and then grab their reward. And they're smart enough to wait for the crosswalks to cycle, knowing that the cars won't move when the cycle is right.

>>17176929
>>17176921
>>17176916
This is really giving me a hankering for a game where you play as Crows.

>>17176925

This might be the coolest idea ever. I wonder how long it would take them to put that shit together, and how long it would take them to teach their buddies.

>>17176916
The idea of them having unions is of course preposterous but there definitely is a possibility to consider them as a working force if they are so reliable enough to keep a machine up and running.

This definitely is a nice direction worthy of research.

>>17176939
that makes me wonder, if crows become advanced enough would they also develop a religion


or perhaps WE are their gods. Think about it: completely alien creatures that stand tall above them, can move entire mountains and can kill them with fire and lighting by pointing at them

we're the vengeful gods from fantasy that oppress the mortals and keep knowledge to themselves

>>17176948
Pretty much. Tokyo crows are hilarious because they're outsmarting the fuckers day in and day out.

>>17176959
I'm no scientist, I couldn't tell you. And the ethical concerns of that experiment might make it hard to test.

>>17176982
>ethical concerns
Get out of my lab.

About the whole "lack of empathy" thing you seem so fond of.

It just happens that a very recent studies on rat discovered they were extremely empathic, in fact.

In an experiment with hundreads of different rats, in multiple scenarios, they found out that the overwhelmign majority of them were doing altruist acts rather than being selfish.

Exemple:

The experiment mostly turned around having two rats in an environment. One is free, the other is in a tiny locked cage. There are chocolate chips littered about in the environement. In most cases the free rats generally spent up to a week trying to free the caged rat and then shared the chocolate with him. very often, the free rat would nibble a bit on the chocolate here and there, but they almost always left half of it to the prisoneer.

Also, once a rat discovered how to open the cage and free the prisoneers, everytime they saw a locked rat they would systematially free him as soon as he could.


Take that, "nature is selfish" apologists.

>>17176982
That's true. Any poor fucker who'd actually do that would be either sick and twisted or a bit too emotionally detached for their own good.

Still, it'd be an interesting thing to observe. I hope they have empathy, at least, otherwise as crows advance further and further intellectually, things might get crazy.

I'm not talking Rise of the Planet of the Crows or anything but just crows being dicks, day in and day out to the point where urban populations try to wipe them out completely.

>>17176895
>>17176959

I think a better question is: would most humans do so?

>>17176989
so you want to teach the animals that may or may not be fully sentient that we torture their kind just for the heck of it

you want them to see us as nazi's?

>>17176916
Then they will move on to firewater then we will be equals as we reach perfection together.

>>17176959
This reminds me, around two months ago I saw a crow with a broken wing hobbling along the road. Then, a week ago, I saw the same crow, no worse for the ware, coming back down the same road. There are a LOT of stray cats around here and I have no Idea how the thing is still alive.

I guess because it's smart.

>>17176993
Those are rats, who don't possess half of the intelligent faculties of crows.

I'm asking if crows and ravens have empathy, when it's clear other animals do. Because if they don't, well, cunning bastard crows all up in this shit.

>>17176993
nobody is saying animals can't be empathic

people are just saying crows aint, they're cold, logical and capable of feeling hatred

>>17177000
The crow population as a whole will never know of the experiment.

>mfw everytime I see this thread part of me dies... I hate having studied Celts

>>17176998
Yes, a human would generally help a human if they are injured.

No, a human would not help a human that requires constant feeding and attention, unless it's a part of its tribe, which is why I specifically said "raised together from hatchlings" because I'm aware most humans wouldn't go through the second example except in situations where they're closely related to the victim.

>>17177012
oh now you want to create deathcamps for crows

jesus its like you're trying to create the bird apocalypse

>>17177012

"Wait, so you want to kill ALL the Jews? You're crazy! Germans will never stand for it!"

"nah, nah, don't worry, they'll never find out"

>>17177018
the chinese child that was run over by a truck twice and people just stood there

>>17177000
To be fair, we do consider ourselves ZE MASTER RACE compared to animals. So we're effectively the Nazis of nature.

>>17177024
>>17177025
No, no. Here's how you really do it: All the scientists wear turbans.

>>17177018

I dunno, mang, maybe I've just seen some shit and lack faith in humanity, but I'm not so sure one human is very likely to help another injured person out of sheer altruism.

I fucking love crows, raised an injured one, now he brings his murder by every so often.

>>17177032
it stops being funny when the animal in question might have a chance of striking back at us

>>17177031
Specific case, specific environment. Don't bring humanity in this or accuse humans of lacking empathy. That's bullshit. This is about crows. Others animals, like elephants, rats and apes already show empathy of this fashion, I'm just wondering if crows and ravens do.

>>17177011

There was an older experiement done with crows. The experiment was that there was food, but only accessible through teamwork. (They had to drop stones in a water reservoir to raise the water level until food, floating to deep in a tube linked to the water reservoir could be reacher).

They very quickly learned how it worked. They did it as a race though. Everytime they dropped a rock they would check if the water level was high enough, but individually.

So the first one able to reach the thing, took it.

There was no consequence for failure however, they saw it more as a game or sport than work.

>>17176962
A group of crows, known as a Murder.

o yes you are forgetting something

crows can learn to speak english

there's even a crow that became so efficient in it, when they locked him in a box for transport he started yelling "I want to fly"

just think about that

>>17177032
Humanities biggest achievement: Setting foot on the motherfucking moon
Crows biggest achievement: grabbing food from a tube with a wire

>>17177031
There is a simple scientific reason for that... the Chinese aren't people

>>17177051
So crows don't just have intelligence, cooperation and social lives, but they're learning friendly competition and sports as well.

Fuck, they're practically us already.

>>17177055
Humanity's biggest achievement 50,000 years ago: Hitting an animal with a big stick instead of with fists.

>>17177031
that's not human nature but Chinese society

>>17177062
thats where the theory comes from that the only thing holding them back was the lack of opposable thumbs to efficiently use tools so intelligence was limited in usefulness

>thread about crows
>decide to check wikipedia
>type "ravens" for some reason
>see Ravens of the Tower of London
>Legends
>One of the earliest legends that connects the Tower with a raven is the tale of the euphemised Celtic god Brân the Blessed
>Brân the Blessed
>mfw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravens_of_the_Tower_of_London#Legends

>>17177038
Are you trying to get the crows to wipe out the Muslims?

As to empathy, I imagine their current situation is basically from a real lack of awareness that higher brain functions and intelligence brings. If they continue on this path, I imagine that sooner or later, they'll start to develop positive emotions and empathy once their minds start to think beyond survival.

>>17177065

we thought a large ape to do that. He's very dangerous with his stick.

>>17177051
Well, there were videos of crows teaming up to snatch dog's food. Like, real beef.

One crow works as distraction, teasing the dog and getting him riled up, while the other just stands there. Eventually, the dog forgets the second crow and gets far enough from his food (he knows he gets his food taken, apparently). The second crow starts dragging the meat, then both fly away.

Net result: Two crows get food.

>>17177081
that or they are just wired completely different then us

bit like psychopaths

>Crows and Ravens.
>Characterised as evil.
>Very intelligent.

>Doves.
>Characterised as good.
>Dumb as fuck.

Evil wins once again.

>>17177102
actually pigeons are one of the smartest birds and have a high level of social awareness

the dumbest birds are, ironically, owls

>>17177093
Did they share said food?

I guess what I'm talking about here is not teamwork, but helping another individual when you technically do not have to, and assisting it when you could just leave it to die without any negative impact on your life.

>>17177018
Actually, studies show that people don't stop to help injured street people.
One particular one had various people about to give a speech on the Good Samaritan (bible passage about helping people even if you didn't know them, etc).
Half of the group was late, half had plenty of time to get there. Over half in each group didn't stop the help. Slightly more stopped when they weren't pressed for time, but it was a minor difference.

>>17177076

Dude, make a search about orcas. (or more precisely, Old Tom)

>YFW you realise that there had been a half a century long trade agreement between whalers and orcas in australia.

>I have no suitable reaction image for when you realise orcas lives in clans, have culture, unique languages and HUNTING TRADITIONS they illogically follow even if it means their extinctions.

>>17177095

Only time can really tell. Evolution can do some strange things.

>>17177038
>Crows attack turban people
>They cross paths with Sikhs
>Sikhs befriend crows

And then you have Sikh Crows. That's not even a Murder, that's a Genocide.

>>17177051
>>17177062
"WHAT HO, KRAAI!"

"GOOD DAY, CORVUS!"

"I SAY, KRAAI, WOULD YOU FANCY A GAME OF ROCK-WATER-FOOD-RACE WITH KRAHE, VRANA AND I?

"SOUNDS POSITIVELY BOLLY!"

"QUITE SO! LET'S GO!"

"BOLLY!"

"BOOOOLLY!"

"LET THE GAMES BEGIN!"

>>17177112
Really?

Should we make crows less sinister so that they aren't doomed to become evil?

>>17177117
dolphins are even worse

they have wars with actual generals, tactics, and a declaration of war with peace treaties

>>17177137
Owls heads are mostly eyes. They have really tiny brains and are basically functionally retarded.

>>17177137
their eyes take up a large space in their heads leaving relatively little for the brain

>>17177146
For all we know, they may have an underwater empire and psychic powers.

>>17177117
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F06QQALEahc

Teamwork.

>>17177129
crow suicide bombers, imagine

Anyone know why a flock of crows is called a "murder"? And why a flock of ravens is called an "unkindness"?

>>17177114

It is also known that in cities, in general, people are AFRAID of helping people, they don't "ignore" them.

They are afraid of many things:
-Blood diseases
-Helping a criminal
-Being thought as guilty
-Above all, being afraid of it being a trap

The exemple in china about the girl struck by a truck, is that killing a person is a relatively small fine, but injuring someone causes you lifetime monthly fees that are five times as harsh per year than that of killing.

People USED to help out, but they kept being sued into paying fees for being targeted as the one guilty of causing the injuries.

Even chinese are disgusted by it. But they have very little they can do about it. It HAS caused a nationnal outrage though.

>>17177150
>>17177154
I'm aware, I was just being sarcastic and showing off just how stupid some owls can be.

I personally think crows might have a sense of humour, it's not very sciency but they love to chase and stalk my Mom because see freaks out at the sight of too many birds.

>>17177164
People dislike crows/ravens, think they are ill portents, etc?

>>17176980

i think they just see us as loud neighbours that waste a lot of food and can be dangerous if provoked

could be they can appreciate we are inteligent, but they either have no way/reason to be interested, or things like architecture and technology just go way beyond their ability to process so they just accept us as is and carry on with their lives picking out opportunities to get food and shelter

its kind of like, if a bunch of 21th century humans were put in some alien environment they might go trough so much culturshock they would have problems staying sane let alone alive, but if a group of humans from, like, 20000 BC were placed in the same environment, they would be somewhat confused at first, but then proceed to look for shelter and food, and maybe wonder why the mountains are made of metal, but hey not like thats important, you can eat the gooey green stuff that oozes out of those holes, and those weird pillars stay warm at night, so its all good

Want to make money? Sell weapons to the Crows.

>>17177159
You really don't know who Sikhs are.

>>17177179
You could probably design a crow firearms, and teach them how to use them.

>>17177155
Atlantis was infact a dolphin city

>>17177146

MFW you discover that Orcas are dolphins, not whales and you actually promoted my point.

Yes, killer whales are dolphins. The only known animal that has a SLIGHTLY more develloped ultra-advanced society is the bottle nose dolphin.

WITH WHICH THEY CAN BREED. Creating a huge ass, super intellgient gray orca whale. Sadly it's sterile IIRC.

>>17177198
all sandpeople to me

>>17177212
>>17177198
Let's not do this.

>>17177210
I know they are but I'm just making the distinction

just like crows and ravens are also very close but still different

>>17177164
Because Bird group names are weird,

>http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/murder.html

>>17177200
Don't start them off with guns. Give them tiny crow knives to help them mug people to buy your birdseed.

>>17177222
and besides

Nomen est omen

>>17177225
I can imagine the guy inventing the bird food machine going WHAT HAVE I DONE

when his pets start mugging people

>>17177225

>>17177225
Actually, the most effective choice of weapon would probably be crow-flails.

>This thread

Would crows enslave other birds?

>>17177170
Also, by helping someone who is injured, you become liable for their well-being. So, if they had helped her and she had died, well done! In the eyes of the law you just killed a little girl.

>>17177258
Probably, if they knew how to do it and there was a point to it. There are already species of coastal/sea birds that wait for other, smaller species to catch fish and then mug them in midair for their food.

>>17177258
crows training condors and other giant birds as transportation and war machines

imagine

>>17177258
They wouldn't have any good reason to, from my knowledge. Restraining and harnassing a bird is much more difficult than enslaving a land animal would be, a far greater opportunity to escape, not to mention it wouldn't be worth the effort.

No, I couldn't see them making other birds slaves. Stealing eggs and raising the hatchlings as a servant caste, though...

>>17177210
>WITH WHICH THEY CAN BREED. Creating a huge ass, super intellgient gray orca whale. Sadly it's sterile IIRC.
Really?. All I can find is that they can breed with FALSE killer whale (completely different if bit similar looking species), not actual orcas.

>>17177273

Crows making an alliance with cats. They hunt the vermin for them, while the cat kill other birds.

YARR

>>17177273
>>17177272
>>17177258
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>>17177242
>this entire thread
>mfw
Should I be abjectly terrified of how we're close to training a crow army?

>>17177290
>Stealing eggs and raising the hatchlings as a servant caste, though...
they have no reason to

most (if not all) problems that can't be solved by one crow can be solved by ten.

>>17177272
This. It's less slavery and more "man, fuckin' crow keeping me down, stealing my wages. fucking 1%"

>>17177316
This is true.

What if they grow lazy, tired of doing the work themselves? This is the only reason why they'd get a servant caste to do the work for them.

Riddle me this /tg/, if crows are so intelligent then why don't they use katanas the number 1 best weapon of all time?

>>17177301
you know, I think I'm going to have the bbeg of my next game use a crow army and play it straight

only question is do they stay loyal or does an unusually intelligent crow murder his master and take command

>>17177243
I think they'd get the hang of poison darts or bombs much more readily.

>>17177338
because japanese crows hate humans more then all other crows combined

it would be treachery, haven't you read the thread?

>>17177340
Why would the crow do that? What does it gain?
If it has a good reason for it, then go for it. Otherwise, have them just be his well fed army, that maybe continues working after he's dead.

If we could make them addicted to drugs they would be dependent on us, of course there is the possibility that this would start some sort of Crow Opium War.

>>17177338
Because they fucking hate Japanese people.
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/murder_of_crows/

>>17177353
alright I'll keep them loyal

>>17177329
>What if they grow lazy, tired of doing the work themselves?
then they die, easy prey to humans culling their numbers and their natural predators

>>17177222

>A convocation of eagles
Whoa, birds have some awesome group names.

>>17177385
So, by being the apex predator, we're forcing them to become smarter, better, faster, stronger?

>>17177363
That's a reflection of the Japanese more so than the crows.

>>17177408
Yes. See: Japanese crows ripping open rubbish bags. The Japanese authorities started using thick, anti-crow tarpaulins as trash bags instead.

The crows learned to open the bags from the top instead of ripping them.

>>17177363
>A shaken Naoki Satou, the crowfinder general leading Tokyo's anti-crow struggle, admitted: "Yes, they have returned."

AN ANCIENT EVIL HAS ARISEN.

I don't think crows lacking empathy is something to be worried about. Autistics lack empathy but you don't see them, say, going around killing people.

I fucking hate any and all "FUCK EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT PLANTS". If I had the chance, I'd cut out Poison Ivy's heart.

Fuck Llanowar Elves, too. The flavor text pisses me off. There's a difference between "YOU HAVE TO STOP DESTROYING THE EARTH SO CALLOUSLY, OR WE WONT HAVE ANY LEFT" and "FUCK YOU, I CONSIDER A FLOWER PETAL TO BE WORTH MORE THAN AN ENTIRE CITY OF LIVES CAUSE I HATE HUMANS FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON"

>>17177433
No, but we see socio- and psychopaths which do.

>>17177408
Nah. Other way around. City crows may be agressive, but they are much dumber and lazier than wild ones.
I mean - city is like paradise for them - food everywhere, predators nowhere.

>>17177448
I like TES bosmer and their take on it

>>17177427
they should just use locked metal/plastic bins

we do it around here to keep the racoons out

>>17177433
That's because killing people is a lot of effort for dubious reward. It's more pragmatic to just work them in your empire 9-5 for pennies on the dollar.

Oooh, a Corvus thread on /tg/?
Awesome!

I give you guys this!
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/ravens/video-playing-in-the-snow/1552/

Video sum up: Ravens sometimes just play around. Small as it may be, the idea of recreation for fun is a huge sign of intelligence.

>>17177449
But lacking empathy is not the only thing that sets sociopaths and psychopaths apart from baseline humans. You may find this video interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2V0vOFexY4

>>17177433

If anything, they are less harmful than normal, empathic humans. Living on welfare is better than murdering people.

>>17177448

... llanowar elves mentions the penalty for trepassing as defined as how much you dicked around and fucked up the forests condition with your illegal presence.

it's more of a you are not of the forest so you don't get to fucking dick around in it

>>17177467
Crows have been known to undo simple locks, too. That's what most research involving them focuses on, in fact.

>>17177478

Crows around here love to play catch-me-if-you-can with the neighborhood dogs. The dogs enjoy it, too.

>>17177170
>>17177114

a lot of this also depends on local mentality

in most ex-yugo countries, for instance, if someone stumbles or falls in the streets most people offer help automatically, even in large urban centres, especially in large urban centres, actually it gets kind of awkward sometimes

the only reason i can think of for this is that in the balkans, in "normal" situations, a person is preemptively considered a "friendly" untill proven othervise

this is just one example, im sure in other places you would get different results for different reasons

>>17177501
It's all fun and games until one of the dogs catches a crow.

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MURDER FOR THE CROW GOD, NESTS FOR THE NEST THRONE

>>17177501
The crows around here used to play "catch me if you can" with cats. They play for higher stakes.

>>17177499
we use padlocks

>>17177513
>in most ex-yugo countries, for instance, if someone stumbles or falls in the streets most people offer help automatically, even in large urban centres, especially in large urban centres, actually it gets kind of awkward sometimes
That's probably because they all see themselves as battle-brothers in their unending wars with their neighbours.