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    22 KB Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:36 No.17202733  
    "Archimedes was right!" You exclaimed, as the Roman ships burned across the harbour, their naval invasion reflected by the horrible power the shining mirrors lining the cliffs directed. The Romans had been after that technology for years, but they couldn't breach the defenses, invade the island where the smith so carefully polished the metal to focus the rays of the sun.

    They would try to attack in rain, only to be reflected by our weapons, that we could set the entire coast aflame with our oils and alchemy!

    The Romans may throw their pitiful ships against our defences but we shall never let! Our fury shall be known in the hateful beams of the fiery sun itself!

    >ITT, Sandalpunk
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:38 No.17202751
    >>17202733
    Ok, so other than the mirrors, what else you got?

    And what defines this setting in terms of "punk"?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:40 No.17202763
    >>17202751

    there are a lots of punks there, like the goths or something
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:40 No.17202766
    >>17202733

    >Suddenly, the Romans launch their Gyrocopters from their burning naval ships, dropped Greek fire upon the city? How could they have stolen the recipe? ArchiCorp must have betrayed us.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:40 No.17202773
    >>17202751
    Hubris is the theme. Very Daedalus. The Romans are probably ultimately at fault.

    As far as it goes, pretty much assuming the most out-there aspects of Greek and Roman science and philosophy are true, allowing for things like tangible perfect geometric forms and the like.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:41 No.17202782
    >Aladdin, cartoon from the 90's.
    >Fezpunk
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:42 No.17202786
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    punk does not mean what it used to mean
    deal with it
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:42 No.17202789
    >ITT, Sandalpunk

    I AM SPARTAKUS!
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:47 No.17202845
    >>17202773

    Caestus launched forth with his blade, but his opponents' strange, angled armour would not yield the attack. No matter what, no matter which angle he struck from, nor his strength of attack, nothing could stop the blow from deflecting, from being swung wide, as if the gods themselves were stopping Caestus's arm.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:49 No.17202868
    >>17202751

    City-states, the trials of the FREE PEOPLE (I.E citizens not slaves) versus the more Spartan-esque city-states?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:57 No.17202961
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    >>17202766

    ActuallyI'mokaywiththisif:

    The Romans somehow dropped Cohorts right into the cities to fight the locals with traditional tactics.

    Let's face it, the Greeks had steam engines, only they saw them as an idle oddity, not as a civilisation-level breakthrough.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:58 No.17202964
    A simple thought for this setting.

    The Greeks managed to actually create Plato's perfect forms; objects and concepts that so embody their fundamental nature that the rise above mundane objects. A sword, for example, is designed to cut and not break, so a Platonic sword can cut through just about anything and is extremely durable. Springs are designed to absorb energy as they coil, so a Platonic spring could absorb a tremendous amount of energy before being sprung. All the advanced technology is based on this. Archimedes laser? Used Platonic mirrors.

    Only the truly great Philosopher-Artisans can make truly perfect Platonic items. Lesser men can instill some basic Platonic elements, but cannot make the items truly perfect. With the example of the sword, they could make it Platonically sharp, but not Platonically strong.

    And then there were the great Philosopher-Kings who tried to make Platonic Men. It was an experiment of mixed success. They made men of Platonic Body but not Platonic Mind, and men of Platonic Mind but not Platonic body. The men of Platonic body were superhumanly strong and fast, nigh-immortal. The men of Platonic Mind were geniuses, natrual Philosopher-Kings and Philosopher-Artisans themselves. When they bred with normal men and women, the produced offspring who inherited some of their perfection, but not all. A man of Platonic Mind may produce a son who is a perfect Strategist, or a perfect composer, but not both. A man of Platonic Body's daughter might be immortal or super strong, but not both.

    And of course, our heroes, the players, have a little Platonic blood in them...
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)13:59 No.17202986
    >Only the truly great Philosopher-Artisans can make truly perfect Platonic items. Lesser men can instill some basic Platonic elements, but cannot make the items truly perfect. With the example of the sword, they could make it Platonically sharp, but not Platonically strong.

    I LOVE IT. WRITE MOAR.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:05 No.17203039
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    >mfw this thread

    Continue, gentlemen
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:05 No.17203048
    >>17202964
    this is my fetish
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:09 No.17203089
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    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:11 No.17203106
    You guys are missing a great idea

    What the fuck do we do with Roman Dodecahedrons
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:12 No.17203126
    >>17203039

    If you say so.

    "Parmenadesium weaponry, whilst only glanced over by many schools, if often seen as the 'do-all-or-end-all of equipment in many arsenals. Technology based purely on the idea of eternity, that anything is everything, and as such, the chaos it involves. I have, persoanlly, seen these weapons wipe out entire legions of the gods-damned Romans, or do practically nothing against them. Parmenides know much about the universe, but he did not know how to defend it",
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:13 No.17203134
    >steampunk without faggot Victorian cunts

    Does this include mythological monsters?

    Does this perhaps include sciencetificated mythological monsters? (Dinosaurs, Monster Hunter crap, giant octopuses and shit)
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:13 No.17203143
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    >>17202766
    > ArchiCorp
    10/10
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:16 No.17203174
    >>17203134

    Jaenus took his steam-actuated rifle against the nine-headed beast against him. His men riled with fear, such a monster was beyond their meager paychecks.

    The Hydra roared with a fearsome rumble that shook the very sountryside he stood upon.

    Jaenus fired his weapon. He knew the glaived projectile would sever the beast's head (at least one of them), and the war fire it was coated in would seal the daemon's head. The glaive span forth...
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:16 No.17203178
    >>17203134
    I have to admit. The idea of immortal Greek heroes [in the original sense of the word, as 'guys who are the best at what they do'] running around with magical Platonic technology fighting harpies and minotaurs and shit sounds like a great campaign setting.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:21 No.17203222
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    >>17203178

    oh damn, in constant communication with the Gods, the Great Powers upon Olympus... I love it.


    >>17202751

    PROLETARIAT / HEROES AGAINST GODS. THERE'S YOUR FUCKING PUNK.

    SHIT THIS COULD BE SO GOOD.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:30 No.17203322
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    >>17203222
    >>17203178
    What if we worked in races, less like Elf, Dwarf, etc; but more appropriate things? One of th... wait, we could call them 'bloodlines.' Then you could have bloodlines that go back to mystic beings, granting inherent tallents. Like a mystic blood line that grants divination; such as an oracle. Perhaps an 'Imortal' blood line that traces back/paralleled to/beside herculean figures, granting something to the effect of "+2 to any two Attributes, or +4 to a single Attribute"(to use D&D terms).

    Another aspect could be, since other races also have the super-tech, Rome hasn't been nearly as stressful. They're still the single biggest and most formidable empire, but they've not dominated the rest of Italy, their expansion has all-but stopped.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:30 No.17203325
    >>17202964

    The Philosphers are the men whom have contemplated the natures of reality for decades, and they have understood the universe and how to manipulate it. They are the highest, the cleverest, the most respected of society, and those they sire often go on to achieve great things. Be it philosopher-bards, or philosopher-architects, the arts' precepts remain the same - finding the Ultimate angles, the the Ultimate chords, the Ultimate shapes and patterns, that we may move to the God's mountain and challenge them their rights. We do not contest the Gods their home, but one day, hopefully, we might.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:31 No.17203337
    >>17203222
    Mirrored shields being used to defend against Archimedes Lasers and terrifying monsters. Platonic swords slicing through hydras, dipped in Greek fire. Novelty steam engines being converted to weapons of war. 'Heroes' as the sort of assholes they were in Greek myth, men of unbound might and even more unbound morals.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:32 No.17203353
    >>17203337

    ALLOFMYDRACHMA.JPG
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:33 No.17203366
    >>17203325
    Fuck yes. Philosopher kings and their Platonic heroes warring against terrible, uncaring Gods and amongst each other, with the average man being slowly obsoleted by the discovery of Ultimate Truth in biology.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:34 No.17203375
    >>17203322
    "Blood of the Seer"
    "Blood of the Hero"
    "Blood of the Philosopher"
    "Blood of the King"
    "Blood of the Hunter"
    "Blood of the etc"
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:34 No.17203377
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    >>17203178
    Pic related, but in space.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:35 No.17203382
    Corporations would be changed for the Citysquare/Senate/Royal family.

    Depending on the political situation of your location.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:35 No.17203392
    Aw man I'm hungry. BRB gonna go make myself a roast beef grinder with jalapenos.

    >ITT, Sandwichpunk.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:42 No.17203461
    >>17203366
    > being slowly obsoleted by the discovery of Ultimate Truth in biology

    I think that may be taking it a hair too far. You'd have selective breeding and stuff, sure. But there's always got to be a working class, and as they are numerous, nobdoy's going to keep them on par with the fight'n class. Ergo, the average joe becomes more average (as the outright inferior are rooted out), but the warrior caste is still the WARRIOR CLASS!"
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:43 No.17203470
    >>17203461

    >I think that may be taking it a hair too far. You'd have selective breeding and stuff, sure. But there's always got to be a working class, and as they are numerous,

    Take that shit to Sparta and ask them about their views on Eugenics.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:43 No.17203480
    >>17203470
    That's Sparta. Sparta's a magical place.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:44 No.17203483
    >>17203461
    The Greeks were very willing to consider wide-spread eugenics. I would not be surprised by a total biological caste system.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:44 No.17203490
    >>17203382

    If you're going Greek: City-States.

    If Roman: The Families and lineages of the nobles.

    If some kind of Greco-Roman substitute, fuckit, whatever you want, that line is important.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:47 No.17203518
    >>17203483
    > I would not be surprised by a total biological caste system.
    I wouldn't either. I said they'd weed out the inferior people, but I don't think that they would start beefing up everybody to an equivalent level as their warrior and noble classes. A: Because it's easier to keep them in line that way and B: I think we're all aware of what happens romantically when you start telling people who they can and can't fuck.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:50 No.17203559
    >>17203461

    You don't read much plato do you?

    This isn't about breeding programs. They literally found the ULTIMATE TRUTH, a unifying theory if you will. With it you can do basically anything.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:52 No.17203569
    >>17203559
    I thought we were seeking the Ultimate Truth, and Philosophers in the setting were getting damn close.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:52 No.17203571
    >>17203518

    Oh you can fuck whoever you want. But you have to have at least some kids with this particular PERFECT SPECIMEN OF HUMANITY
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)14:53 No.17203578
    >>17203559
    Well, for the sake of not breaking the setting and adding a bit of drama, they have decoded bits of it. Philosophers are dedicated to working out aspects of the Ultimate Truth, pushing past the limits of science and into the Absolute in their chosen fields. But yeah. Figuring out how to make man into the platonic ideal of Man would give them a ton of free reign.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:01 No.17203640
    Been done in a far more erudite manner than just putting cogs AND togas on everything.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inne_pie%C5%9Bni
    As far as I can see, it's been translated into English, so go read it and base your setting on it. Unless the translation's been butchered completely, you won't regret it.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:03 No.17203673
    >>17203578

    Shiiiit. The Platonic Dominion. Obsessed with creating the Perfect Man. The New Romans (made up of many Philosophers who defected due to realising the chaotic, changing nature of the universe) are fighting against them, and their Archimedian weaponry. The Empire find itself on the defensive as their Light Lances wipe out every army in their path, the City-States forming to one great Council of Philospohy as their technology wipes out the armies acrods Europe.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:04 No.17203681
    >>17203640
    Looks cool. We're going a bit more Plato than Aristotle on this one, but there are some similarities re: the idea of some ultimate form.

    Seems like a cool story in any case, bro.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:05 No.17203687
    >>17203640
    Sorry, no it hasn't, the fact that it's listed under English title on the author's page misled me. Still, the article links to two other books based on the same premise, so you can still use them.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:10 No.17203736
    >>17203685
    Maybe some foolish philosopher got too archetypical and dug right into Platonic Destruction instead of filtering it through some device or another?

    Bam, Tunguska Mk. I
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:11 No.17203743
    >>17203723
    For turning a great historical mystery into a plot point?

    Well, yes, that's why I asked.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:13 No.17203767
    >>17203743

    Oh, that's nice to see. Give us details!

    >YFW most Greek legends sounds like a greentext of 3.5 DnD
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:15 No.17203781
    Further use of battle kites would be interesting. Fill them with incendiary pots.

    Also, have them find a way to make an airtight seal. Now your siege weapons use pressurized air.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:16 No.17203798
    We're not fleshing this out, gents.

    We need more fluff of thos Archimedian / greco-technologican universe.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:16 No.17203799
    >>17203685
    Dig too deeply into the realms of the ideals and one discovers that even the gods are but shallow reflections of the perfect truths they were meant to embody.

    And they don't like their little secret getting out.

    Ask the Atlanteans, wallowing in their hubris. Or the sneering godmen of Babylon and Urduk. Or the fouler things that are all that remains of the once great minds of the old Hittite citystates.

    Or you could pay your tribute, and when you discover new and strange stars, you could dedicate them to the gods and leave well enough alone after that.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:17 No.17203805
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    >>17203767
    >get yet another quest from king
    >"muck out stables"
    >wrestle a river trough it
    >DM's face when
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:21 No.17203835
    >>17203805

    The first Herculites. Those gods-blessed of the Perfect musculature, that the Earth itself would obey.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:22 No.17203842
    >>17203799
    The gods have become a great deal more silent to us since the first fall that brought our great nations into the dark ages. They speak instead to the Romans, those vagabonds who Aphrodite guided away from the Troy we felled so long ago that they may found a nation of their own. Under new names they guide the Roman forces to great victories, expanding their empire ever wider.

    But they have not come for us, yet. Perhaps they remember those days long past when they gained the wisdom and power to rebel against their own makers.

    And there are so many more of us than there were them when the Titans held sway.

    Perhaps it is time, my brothers, that we went to seek the Romans instead.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:24 No.17203860
    >>17203835

    >Implying Herculites (roman name : Hercules)

    It'd be closer to Heraclites (sons of Heracles, his actual name)
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:27 No.17203889
    "Fools! We have harnessed the power of the True Form!

    Your blades shall break against our True shields! Your armour shall crumble against our True swords!

    Compared to us, you walk on empty stomachs as we feast on True bread and True wine!"
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:28 No.17203911
    >>17203353
    I nearly fell off my chair laughing at that.
    Way out of left field.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:28 No.17203914
    Hmm.... Perhaps the Romans have made a few discoveries of their own. Maybe a process for making the marble they loved so well incredibly durable and able to have a wickedly sharp edge.

    >Roman centurions clad in intricately-carved marble armor with marble Gladuses.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:28 No.17203915
    >>17203889
    The true sandwich is two pieces of perfect bread with meat, vegetables, and condiments arranged in a fractal pattern on the inside.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:30 No.17203938
    >>17203914
    Alternatively, as the new 'favorites' of the Gods, maybe the Romans are just decked out with godly favor, running around with blessed powerhouses and mythical creatures that the Greeks and their Platonic creations have to struggle against. It's magic vs... frankly, another kind of magic, but more science-y magic.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:32 No.17203965
    >>17203915
    >TL;DR They discover Bacon

    >>17203914
    MARBLE WALL FORMATION

    It's possible Greek Philosophers defected after seeing the world in a different. non-greek way.

    >>17203911
    You're welcome.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:33 No.17203975
    >>17203915
    A human mind is a reflection of the True Mind, so you cannot comprehend the True Forms. So while it sends your enemies insane, it also sends you insane as well.
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    >>17203975

    >MFW Grecan Lovecraft
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:36 No.17203995
    >>17203938
    Could be all of the above. The Gods have never gotten along, so even with their growing fear of the Greeks, they still can't stop bickering long enough to form a completely unified front amongst their new favorites. The Roman empire is still technically a whole, but each god tends to back and favour a section of it, and secretly believes that theirs is the best. Hence, Vulcan's chosen city is a huge industrial powerhouse turning out the finest non-Platonic weapons and armor in the world, whereas Pallas the goddess of crafts and wisdom is known for forces clad in marble armor that is just as much about beauty as it is protection.

    It is not fun to be Caesar.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:39 No.17204019
    Pardon my douchebaggery, but, hasn't this been done before? The idea of a setting where greek philosophy is all true, with things like objects that are embodiments of the idea of the object and shit. Not to stifle discussion or anything, but there might be some useful conjecture in the archives if I wasn't too lazy to look for it.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:39 No.17204020
    >>17203995
    >Vulcan's chosen city is a huge industrial powerhouse turning out the finest non-Platonic weapons and armor in the world,
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    >>17204020

    Fucking 4chan ate my pic
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:44 No.17204074
    >>17204019

    Very vaguely, and never really with anon ready to supply fluff. However, we can do it now, so WHY THE FUCK NOT.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:46 No.17204099
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    >>17204019

    It has happened before to my recollection, but a quick scrape of suptg showed no archive.

    So carry on, archive this one instead.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:49 No.17204123
    The city outlined in Plato's Republic exists. It's totalitarian and entirely creepy... to anyone who doesn't live there. The people that DO live there are the happiest and most productive in the world, because the city itself is slowly becoming a reflection of the Platonic truth of a perfect society.

    The Romans and the Spartans will both do absolutely anything to burn it the fuck down.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:50 No.17204135
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    Why go elves, dwarves, when we can make it actually interesting. have the non-human races be all the crazy shit they thought existed, men with no heads and mouths on their torsos, guys with tails.

    Countries/Empires and their strengths
    Greece: Perfection in one aspect of stuff (platonically sharp weapons, platonically smooth mirrors)

    Rome: Organization (one thousand men marching as one, perfectly)

    Persia: ...also organization? Sweet tax code? I dunno as much about these guys.

    Carthage: BOATS, ANIMALS

    Other possible countries include Ethiopia, Egypt, european barbarians, india, Minoans.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:52 No.17204146
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    >>17204123

    The Platonic Republic. I ikethis.jpg
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:54 No.17204165
    >>17204135
    Carthage has had something of a hard time. Between the huge successes of the Greek and Roman empires and the Curse of Dido making all of them a little bit fucking nuts, they're not quite so glorious as they might have been. But they and their elephants will FUCK YOU UP if you start any shit.

    The Minoans still sleep, deep under Crete. The gods help you if you ever disturb them.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:56 No.17204181
    >>17204135
    Don't forget Rome's kickin' infrastructure. Perhaps thanks to this Roman cities hold a really excellent quality of living, and their mining techniques create a valuable surplus of ore and minerals.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:58 No.17204195
    >>17204135

    >implying you wcan't wake the Minoans for your uses.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)15:59 No.17204201
    >>17204165
    Do remember that they were also RICH AS SHIT, due to having a solid hold on the Mediterranean and Iberian pennisulas. Trade was a big money-maker for them.

    That, and yeah, ELEPHANTS.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:02 No.17204224
    >>17204135
    Persia nad Media are the birthplace of high magic as we know it. The fucking name comes from there. So maybe shit like Conan-style sorcerer/priest kings.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:03 No.17204234
    >>17204201
    Or you could play up the nautical angle and have them go around on fuckhuge living ships, elephants of the sea as it were.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:05 No.17204246
    >>17204224
    >Thulsa Doom, king, king of kings, Persian, son of a Persian
    imokwiththis.png
    >> Iron Lung 12/13/11(Tue)16:05 No.17204247
    >>17202964
    Hmm, so sort of like taking the set pieces of God of War -the labyrinths, the great suspended temples, the mountain chained to the back of Chronus, minus Kratos trashing it all?
    T'would be cool.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:05 No.17204254
    >>17204165
    The Minoan culture on the surface was devastated by a massive tidal wave 1300 years before the founding of the city. A small portion of the inhabitants of the capital city escaped to the labyrinth. They raised up the spirit of the minotaur, and with his guidance navigated the labyrinth, which was far broader than the fool Theseus ever guessed, to the caves under their drowned city. They live there still, guided by the ghost of a monster, carving endless tunnels in search of the source of the tsunami that buried them.
    >there's your dwarves mkay

    >>17204181
    Their soldiers are fearless, and for every man that falls three true romans will eagerly take his place in service to their great city!

    The greek philosophers thought we can see because our eyes shot some sort of ray at everything. Properly trained, one can strengthen these rays and see clearly to the horizon. Some say there are these whose eyes can even see something out of existence, their ocular rays stealing it away piece by piece.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:07 No.17204272
    >>17204254
    So... laser-eyed Platonic ubermenschen?
    Good gods.
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    >>17204272

    Yes please.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:11 No.17204311
    >>17204272
    And robots/cyborgs. See the legend of Talos.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:17 No.17204377
    >>17204224
    >>17204246
    Rising from the ashes of Ur, the Persian kings allied themselves with the spirits of the desert, the oasis, and the wind. Their Immortals blow away with the sand, and rise from the dunes, an iron fist on the throat of the enemies of the king. The winds tell all to the guardsmen, and only the canniest bandit dares loot and murder in their land.

    >>17204201
    >>17204234
    When the hammer of Rome's wrath fell on Carthage, they had no fear. They had sat like a spider in its web on the trade of the world for half a thousand years, and were not such fools to believe it could last forever. As Rome's legions tore down her walls, Carthage's elite fled with their houses in great ships. the harbor opened, and much of the city took to the sea as a millireme. Carthage voyages still, the spider taken flight to escape its enemies. Even the might of great Rome can only chip away at the behemoth of a ship, surrounded always by her children, war galleys and fat merchant ships alike.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:19 No.17204396
    >>17204377
    >nevergofullxerxes.png
    I was thinking less '1001 nights' and more 'Jesus Christ how horrifying'.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:23 No.17204441
    >>17204377
    >Carthage turned into a city-sized boat like Castle Wulfenbach
    Holy_Mother_of_Zeus.png
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:31 No.17204504
    >>17204272
    My Greek god body is augmented.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:32 No.17204507
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    >>17204396
    >dat reaction image
    >the real one could never live up to my mental image of it

    Yeah, the bit about bandits is pretty whack.
    How about

    The sails of the Persian carts never fall slack. Trade lanes of constant wind criss-cross their empire, carrying with them the lifeblood of that great land.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:34 No.17204522
    Holy fucking shit, I had this idea for ROME IN SPESS in my head for a while now. /tg/ really does have everything.

    In any case, I think Celts would be the most punk in this setting.

    >Celts? In Greece? Nigga please...

    It's more likely than you think - the Celts embarked on a huge raid on Greece that was only checked after huge casualties had been taken, then they just went to Turkey, killed some natives and made a kingdom there. The Seleucids and Ptolemaic Egypt used them extensively as mercenaries (especially the Egyptians, who allowed them to live in Egypt. To this day one can see fair-haired, blue-eyed kids in Egypt) as did everyone else in the Hellenic worlds.

    Also, sacking Rome successfully before the Vandals made it cool.

    Basically, the Celts could be the most anarchic element in that world. Imagine Lobo in Rome.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:35 No.17204534
    Xenophon is -punk as fuck, but I see no elements of it in this setting.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:37 No.17204553
    >>17204534

    Basically every kind of mercenary and barbarian back then was punk as fuck. After Alexander died and his Generals started squabbling it was a golden age for every mercenary in Europe.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:38 No.17204561
    >>17204507
    It's about the theme, really. You're clearly thinkng 'Arabs' instead of 'ancient Persians'. The Persian empire was the last of a long line, with lineage nearly as old as fucking argiculture and continuity of knowledge. Imagine a sorcerer that has at his disposal lore from the first days of the world. Words of the first gods and the first spells Man wrought. Rituals that summon things older than Earth. Now imagine that same man is a king of the largest empire in the world. Whipping the sea would actually work just fine with a king like that.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:40 No.17204579
    >>17204522
    Better yet, an army of bastards children of Lobo and Mad Max armed and armoured in little remains of Atlantean items they could scavenge off shore.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:45 No.17204631
    >>17204522

    Also, horse-archers. Be they Parthians, Sarmatians, Scythians and the barbarians chasing them westwards - they all share a love for loot. Steam-powered horses? Augmented bows?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:48 No.17204666
    >>17204631
    Centaurs.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:54 No.17204714
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    >>17202964

    Glad to see my idea went over well. I actually posted it in an older /tg/ thread that went kinda bonkers. I thought it got archived, but I can't find it in sup/tg/. Oh well. I started it with this picture, if anybody finds it.

    Anyway, some more fluff.

    The Platonic Men of Greece never numbered more than two dozen, and the strongest among them could still be killed, for even a perfect man must die. Still, with their power they rapidly rose to the top. Men of Platonic Mind took over City-States or founded new ones, ruling as Philosopher Kings. Men of Platonic Body erected great monuments or conquered their neighbors without effort.

    Man was not meant to live alongside the Gods. Soon, lesser men began to resent the Platonic men, and while the Platonic Men of Mind strove to bring Platonic Justice to the world, the Men of Platonic Mind did not. There were rebellions and civil wars, and some of the Platonic Men were killed. Many fled Greece.

    And some traveled to a little known land called Latium, where they helped a fledgling Latin League expand and grow. In time, the Platonic Men of Body outlived the Platonic Men of Mind, and then they and their offspring visited the sins of the fathers upon the sons; they returned to Greece.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:58 No.17204736
    >>17204224
    >>17204246
    >>17204377
    >>17204561
    Sorry to disappoint you, but if we're still working in the timeline of the OP, that is Rome only rising against Greece, then there was no Persia at that time. It was all hellenized under the Seleucids, and even the Parthians who began their conquests in mid-200s, had quite a hard-on for hellenized culture. Hell, Ptolemaic Egypt was probably more foreign and mysterious at that time.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:58 No.17204746
    >>17204561
    All true. So, this is fantasy ancient history, who better for a ruler of that ancient empire than Gilgamesh? Besides him being Sumerian, of course.

    >>17204714
    >Platonic Men of Mind
    >Men of Platonic Mind
    >JudeanPopularFront.jpg
    I think you mean body for the second one.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)16:59 No.17204756
    Keep in mind, the tech will be limited by what they can build out of Platonic items. Platonic springs, for example, could power great clockwork engines. Moreover, true Platonic items are rare, because men enlightened enough to produce them are rare. Lesser versions, constructed by lesser artisans, will be more common place.

    I think guns would be less likely then, say, Platonic Bows, or automatic crossbows built from more simple Platonic parts.

    As for Greek monsters, the natural way to explain them is as a side effect of Philosopher-Kings attempting to create Platonic Men; they had a few misfires along the way. When they accidentally produced some human-bird hybrids, or some giant multi-headed snakes, they named them after creatures from their legends/religion that they resembled.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:01 No.17204776
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    >>17204736
    >you

    It seems like we're doing
    >Sandalpunk
    with a timeline of whenever each place was coolest.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:03 No.17204789
    >>17204746

    Derp, you're right, I did.

    Also, what if a Man of Platonic Body who fled Greece went to Persia and became a king there? Built up a cult of king-as-god worship.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:03 No.17204795
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    >>17204776
    Which is indeed the best way to do these kinds of settings. Like Deadlands, where everything cool about the wild west was happening all at once. That setting's pretty kickass.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:10 No.17204872
    >>17204776
    could work,
    hellanistic greece,
    augustus level roman empire (minus its greek, middle eastern, and egyptian holdings),
    ptolemy era egypt,
    xerxes era persia,
    pre-roman celts,
    late roman germans,
    naval city cartherage,
    Pre-sinking atalantis.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:13 No.17204903
    >>17204872
    I'd say drop atlantis, never actually existed nothing to parody. Switch Persia to Cyrus the Great, much better than Xerxes.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:18 No.17204960
    >>17204756
    >Platonic crossbows firing bolts so fast they hit their target almost instantaneously
    Of course, only reloadable by the Platonically strong.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:23 No.17205002
    >>17204903

    Actually, Atlantis could be a bit of fun. A Platonic Man of Mind decides to found an enlightened city-state free of interference and with the help of numerous Philosopher Artisans builds Atlantis as a model Utopia out at sea.

    Of course, the weaknesses of lesser men lead to ruin. It'd basically be Ancient Greek Rapture.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:30 No.17205061
    ...you realize we could combine every single "punk" setting under one umbrella with this, right?

    Steampunk gadgets of the Early Modern Era built around Platonic devices. Dieselpunk built on that. Somebody extracts a Platonic Atom and splits it, resulting int he age of Atompunk. Cyberpunk built on them all.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:33 No.17205089
    >>17205061
    >Somebody extracts a Platonic Atom and splits it
    >átomos means "uncuttable"
    What?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:33 No.17205098
    >>17205061
    I vote that we put no steampunk in this at all, because for fuck's sake that shit is cancer to settings.

    We don't need to throw everything in. Sandalpunk is fine. All of the things you mentioned involve a dehumanisation of life, something that the 'Platonic Men' are totally the opposite of.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:34 No.17205102
    >>17205061
    >...you realize we could combine every single "punk" setting under one umbrella with this, right?

    No. Fuck no.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:38 No.17205154
    >>17205098
    I agree. Ditch the whole steam element, otherwise we're not making sandalpunk, we're just making steampunk in Greece.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:42 No.17205189
    ...I am now using all of this to flesh out the specifics behind the "science" used by one of my Greece/Macedonian-obsessed Genius: the Transgression NPCs. Thank you very much, /tg/.

    Any chance we can get this archived for later reference?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:42 No.17205192
    >>17205189
    Why don't you do it yourself?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:44 No.17205209
    >>17205089
    >someone makes a shield out of Platonic Atoms with a Platonic Hammer
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:53 No.17205292
    >>17205192
    ...Good point!
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)17:59 No.17205356
    >>17205292
    http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17202733/
    Done and done.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)18:05 No.17205410
    >>17205356
    Now you are in charge of your own destiny.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)18:06 No.17205424
    UP WITH THIS SORT OF THING

    Also more Egypt. Not Ptolomy
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)18:19 No.17205550
    >>17205424
    Screw it. Egypt is the place where old gods go to die.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)18:21 No.17205570
    >>17205424

    Careful now!
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:17 No.17207028
    >>17205550
    That'd explain the amount of gods and temples. They get worshipped for just long enough to gain power to go West, to the land of the dead. Egypt is so fertile because every dying god gives it one last blessing.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:20 No.17207064
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    >>17207028
    Glorious.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:26 No.17207124
    >>17207064
    I liked Terry Pratchetts Egypt Expy: 250 miles long, a mile and a half wide, surrounded by deadly deserts (and worse enemies) on all sides.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:29 No.17207147
    >>17207124
    Well, if you have the LAND OF DEAD GODS to the west, SORCEROUS PERSIAN DICKS to the east and SIXTY NIGGERS to the south, it's pretty much it.
    Speaking of which, Nubians. What to we do with Nubians?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:32 No.17207182
    >>17205550
    >>17207028
    >>17207064
    ...what? Is this samefaggotry? Don't just roll off some pseudo-sounding bullshit, explain what you mean and what you think it adds to the setting.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:42 No.17207291
    >>17207147

    Fried Chicken maces and Watermelon Slice shields.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)20:43 No.17207310
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    >This is archived, right? >>17204099

    The ideas in this thread...
    MIND BLOWN
    >> Anonymous 12/13/11(Tue)23:24 No.17208897
    what about the hanging gardens of babylon, lighthouse of Alexandria, Library of Alexandria, the Colloses of Rhodes, Ishtar Gate, Great Pyramid of Giza, Mausoleum at Halicarnassus, Statue of Zeus at Olympia and the Temple of Artemis?



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