I'm up! Rising son.

Woo!

Go go go!

Do it.

i will be prepared in 20-30 minutes, i just need to eat something. i will dump you some stuff so that you wouldn't be bored

pic - last battle

Hell yes, time to deal with that chaos cruiser!

Also you forgot your name/trip.

Can we get any info on the cruiser, Anything has changed with it from the last time we've scanned it

(Lurker since first thread)

>>17661224
thank you, brother

Since the last session:
+you gained a new biological replacement for your hand
+Heresy is decreased when Onyx happily reports to Sector Command how you dealth with Dying Souls warband

you are right now on planet Iridonia, still within a cave... All the enemies are finished off and in front of you there is a huge ancient labyrinth to explore - if you want to. And above, in the skies, a Chaos Cruiser Nix Mirius still remains an unsolved mystery...

TODO list:

Inspect Chaos cruiser; be wary of traps
Find Task Force Kappa
Get a new Chaplain
Beg someone for a new Librarian, since Omiron won't be taking apprentices...or just go without any other Librarians for now.
Find out if Onyx are traitors, and whether this incident was a setup.
Get Eldar prisoners to inspect halberd for chaos taint.
Trade Eldar prisoners for potential STC
Look into potential options for purifying chaos taint. (i.e. the cruiser and all the power armor and weapons we've looted from these chaos marines)

>>17661413
We can explore the caves later, did we collect any notable loot from the cultists/csm? Surely they had at least a few tainted items that we can either purify or destroy.

>>17661386
You are not the first one and I am really happy that you join our ranks.

As for the Cruiser:
-no one within it moves
-no one has a heat signature
-no one makes any sounds(unless it's lower than ships ambient)
-testing it for warp again is impossible, because Sophius is dead, but last time it was negative

>>17661517
roll d100 for cultist loot and maybe you do want to take some trophy from Borborygmos?

Also, labyrinth exploration will require another roll of d50.

As always, it is better if different people roll.

>>17661554
Send a group of boarding parties, A small task force of about ten marine to make sure that it is not a total trap to be followed up by a larger landing party, Make sure that a back-out plan is always available

Sountrack needed in order to enjoy this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTwg5KAjOjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASj81daun5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmVndzNIkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXe0RfMHvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Q2WlVuaqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38zN_vF_dQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjrfAfbt72Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoCf7Kq8Bc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W37gzabRDcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYWO84GUIg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-_g8NZr1tA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvKppMvFZbU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJvzTknCmo&feature=related
SPACE MARINE soundtrack(find yourself)

and anything else you find to be epic(i will add them to the list)

Listening is mandatory. Failure is punished by death, Not having earphones is not an excuse.

rolled 72 = 72

>>17661554
1d100 for loot.

I also vote we leave, maybe a dozen marines down here to explore the caverns and see if there is anything interesting to be seen. I also vote we take Borbyglorbos (sp.) cannon arm.

>>17661099
Is this like a test based game?
Like something similar to masters of orion?
Cause if it is...WHERE THE FUCK DO I GET IT

>>17661630
Text*

rolled 30 = 30

>>17661591
Wouldn't every part of that monstrosity be suffused with chaos taint? Taking a trophy from his corpse could be dangerous, but we can always test it later... Lets take his helmet (minus the head please).

I'm sticking with my opinion that we should wait to explore the caves until we've done something about the cruiser.

>>17661613
how do you want marines to proceed:
>stealth (vulnerable, but chance to surprise enemy)
>defence(higher survival rate in case of combat)
>aggression(higher initial casualties on enemy side)

pic: very similar to Nix Mirius
ALSO:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17586818/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17595495/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17605495/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17618098/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17646053/
previous threads

rolled 23 = 23

>>17661591
1d50 for cave exploration. As for dealing with the ship, I'm with >>17661613
on how to handle it. I think we should deploy multiple parties though. Maybe two groups of ten, go around the ship opposite ways, meet up on the other side.

rolled 44 = 44

>>17661667
I vote for defense. Go slowly and cautiously.

>>17661667
Defense is the way we want to go I think, They would of known about us for quite the long time

How do you play?

>>17661667
Defense. They know the ship better than we do, therefore they know the best hiding places. We won't be able to sneak up on them.

Awwww yah, I'm so in on this.

We should go defensivly for the boarding action, but once we finish exploring those caves. For a trophy, we should take the helmet of the Defiler.

>>17661628
Your marines find enough jewelry and technological trinkets on the bodies of traitors to be worth 7 Wealth. None of these seem to be tainted.

Furthermore, you found two relics:

'Book of the Dead Gods' - ???(none of the marines dared to look inside to know what is it about)

Heavy Bolter of Reaping - Traitor Sergeants weapon, Omiron feels that it is tainted with warp magic to make it deadlier... He claims, that with right activation bolts from this Heavy Bolter become soul-seeking and are unavoidable.
>>17661630
this is just a QUEST, but you are welcome to join :)
>>17661643
As for trophies - you have taken

Borborygmos Autocannon(+AT dmg)
Borborygmos Horned Helmet (+Warp Armour)

rolled 1 = 1

Rrrrolling

rolled 5 = 5

>>17661762
Can we get that bolter purified? Don't really care if it loses it's special powers, it'd still be better than what we're using right now.

Another Rising Son reporting in.

If we explore the caves, we shouldn't do it personally. We should leave a party on the planetside for the time being or something.

As far as exploring the Cruiser goes, Defence all the way.

Also, at this stage we REALLY need to get around to finding the lost third of the chapter, it's been quite some time now. Also, did we ever find that Ice Planet we were looking for? I've a strong feeling we didn't.

/r/equesting Lexicanum on Stygia and Salvation (I just want to see their current status).

>>17661762
Was the book tainted? If so put both the book and bolter into storage until we can discern the danger they pose.

If it isn't warpy then lets open it up and see what it says, but have our marines on standby in case a daemon pops out.

>>17661110
oh, i haven't seen you before. Welcome, Adamus :)
>>17661749
both trophies are tainted, but you can keep them in stasis field in Reliquarium(if for display) or cleanse them and use them yourself

Omiron:
> We should get rid of these trinkets, they stink of warp, Master.

Nimrod:
> It is the deeds that matter, not trophies, my Lord. However I admit that the more trophies we have, the happier men will be...

Nam:
> Dis stuff stinkz. Wen we go kill baddies?

Scipius:
> It is a costly, but glorious victory, we must remember it in anyway we can, sire. For Mistius. For our brothers.

I have returned.

>>17661762
Taint is the reason why we cannot take trophies from chaos.

If we have need of improved weapons, surely we can combine STC patterns and have it manufactured by our artificers (do we need to aquire these?). Otherwise, we shall purchase them from onyx. We need to do this after we complete this mission. For too long we have neglected arming our characters and now look what has happened. It probably cannot wait until we build the manufactorum with our fortress monastery.

>>17661838
Does cleansing items work the same way as cleansing ships (time+wealth)? Does it affect their abilities?

>>17661838
Leave them on display for now.

>>17661838
Oh. I've actually been here since the first thread, but as a anon, I threw on a name for another thread, I'm the one who often puts "Brother" or something like that at the end of my suggestions
And I agree most with Omiron

>>17661838
"In the stasis field they go! For the Emperor! For the Sons! For the fallen! For Mistius! For the Memory!"

>>17661855
Taint isn't an issue if the items are in stasis and having them on display will improve morale.

>>17661794
For the record: your chapter has Heavy Bolters, Flamers and other weapons in plenty. I don't differentiate between devastators/assault/tactical marines because it is a nightmare to track and calculate properly. So if you just want a plain heavy bolter - you can take one from your armoury.

btw, it is an open question - for the realism of Chapter simulation I can start differentiating between different types of marines. if it will make you game more enjoyable - please speak up and i will work something out.

>>17661807
Ave, Brother Celt.

Stygia for you and Salvation soon coming up.

>>17661955
I personally don't really care how our companies are made up. Besides being Codex and all, don't bother deciding which Battle-Brothers are Tactical marines, devastators, or assault marines if it's a headache for you.

We should collect something from our fallen heros, perhaps helmets, and display them in a "hall of the fallen" or something upon the battle barge

>>17661955
The only thing I'm really iffy on that about are Apothecaries, Scouts, techmarines and officers, beyond that, do as you wish.

>>17662057
There is a idea.

>>17661955
I for one, would very much like to have a squad loadout option.
For eas of calculation, we can assume each 10 marine squad is equiped with 1 assault, 1 heavy weapons and a close combat weapon for the sargent. Equipment costs should factor in ammunition and maintanance. However some weapons might degrade faster than others depending on rarity.

And training special types of marines should come as an objective, perhapse requiring training bases similar to the sky arena, which generate a specific number of these types of marines.

>>17661823
The book has no clear warp taint on it, but knowledge sometimes corrupts even more...
>>17661807
Salvation for you and yes, you are right, soon you will 'celebrate' a decade after the last contact with the Lost Third.
>>17661857
Yes, it costs time and money(changing and blessing parts, paying for 500 monks to pray for three days without stop, etc.) and it might change/and or modify abilities. However it will not become everyday object in anyway.

>>17662057
>>17662077

In the astarties, equipment not destroyed in battle is maintaned and passed on to the successor of the same post.

>>17662057
>>17662077
Indeed a good idea, except that you have no monastery yet...
>>17662089
I like how you think and I approve of this '1 in squad' idea for now.


please roll me a d100 for Defensive infiltration

>>17662105
not always. sometimes the armor is stored as a relic due to heroic deeds and may later become part of a set of artificer armor. such armor would be given out to future champions or heroes of the chapter that are deemed worthy and considered a chapter relic.

I'd look up the page in my old ass codex, but it is still packed somewhere from the move.

also, there was a bit about "older armors being superior" for some reason near it?

rolled 55 = 55

Rrrrrolllliing for the emperor!

>>17662096
Keep it locked in a box then. We might need to open it later if we find anything significant in the cave.

Leggo

rolled 54 = 54

>>17662177
For the Emperor!!!

>>17662105
indeed, but for heroes(whom you consider worthy) you can make exceptions.

if you want to, I can start writing the Book of the Glorious Dead - names of all marines that have laid down lives for you(i mention them in Battle AAR's)

>>17662177
can we not start such a hall in one of the (many?) temples/shrines within our battle barge?

until we get a monastery, that is

>sorcery arcrima

captcha feels the warp overtaking it!

>>17662216

we should keep two books:

One with the names of our dead, and one with the names of those Missing (be they lost in the warp or MIA in a drop pod or something)

>>17662270
Or just have one book and not include them in the book until they're officially declared lost to the warp

>>17662188
>>17662215

>>17662297
Lay a ambush.

>>17662297
Pull out is my initial reaction, but there's not much we can do. Proceed carefully as close to the bulwarks as possible so if it turns to shit we can blast a hole in the side of the ship so our marines can jump out. We should head towards the back of the ship, to the engines.

>>17662297
in this 40kverse, can ships jump into warp from anywhere or do they prefer/need to jump from the edge of the system's gravity well?

>>17662297
Ambush.

>>17662297
Ambush?

>>17662373
Suicidal, preferably ship jumps from system's edge,
>>17662233
Yes, you can,
>>17662377
>>17662319
Ambush it is then...

>>17662297
Proceed to the bridge of the ship as planned. Attempt to gather information about this threats movement there.

Othewise, evade it. You are too few in number. We stand ready to bombard the decks of the ship containing the threat.

>>17662550
How bad is an olbliterator? > or < the Defiler? a CSM?

rolled 6, 1 = 7

>>17662550
Are they equipped to handle this corrupted tech-marine from the horror-spouting bung of the galaxy?

>>17662550
quality. argional

Scanner detects 3 - 9 moving objects

>>17662550
What did Kalemus equip his squad with before the battle? (considering we didnt discuss it)

I think we should let the obliterators pass, then bombard the decks they are on.

Purge. Sergeant

Get our larger boarding force ready to move in

>>17662585
3 to 9 is a lot. Only engage if you feel you can win perfectly.

>>17662578
Absolutely not. An Obliterator is extremely heavily armoured and can spawn any weapon it has previously absorbed from its body. It's pretty much ideal for close quarters combat since lighter opponents can't outmaneuver it.


I say we retreat and attempt to withdraw if possible.

>>17662622
>>17662578
>>17662576
I will give you the best equipment. Kalemus squad has:
2 meltas
1 grenade launcher
6 bolters with penetrator rounds
Kalemus with power weapon

However,
Obliterator = squad of marines

Engagement odds(against one):
90% Victory
20% Victory without loses

Engagement odds(against all):
5% Victory

>>17662699
Wait for them to leave and withdraw and reinforce or abandon the effort for the ship.

>>17662675
I suppor this.

It would take only 1 obliterator to match the fire power of a squad, And in that case we would take more losses as we only have 1 squad there.

We should let them pass, and have the lances destroy them.

>>17662725
>>17662721
>>17662675
roll below 50(+20 for Kalemus' preparation) not to be spotted.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Obliterator#.Tx9cnfkZu6Y

Lets not stir the hornets nest with only one squad. They obviously left their more dangerous forces on the ship.

rolled 10 = 10

Rolling for survival!

>>17662791
Adamus, you are quite the roller. Luckily, this is 40k style, so low is good. 4 degrees of success up in here!

>>17662791
Hooray.

>>17662791
Awesome roll, brother Adamus!

>>17662975
Hit him so hard he thinks it's yesterday. And I don't mean yesterday, during the year 026.M41, I mean yesterday, 1/23/2012.

>>17663011
We might want to get them off the ship before we start lancing it, brother.

>>17662803
This time it indeed is a good roll, however sometimes just for fun I switch sides or look for certain numbers to show up.

Nimrod:
>It was a wise decision there, Master. Guarding the lives of your men is a priority.

Asmodeus:
>Indeed. It is an honour to serve you.

Nam:
>Klemus is nice. We play hugs with him. Can I help him?

>>17663028
>>17663011
About lancing:
a) they are not close to the outer hull, so such damage will make ship a wreck.
b) it will cost d5 wealth, please roll(depends whether warp shielding will work and how many strikes you will need.)

did we get a count on how many oblits are in that cell?

we might be able to take them if we load up a squad with anti-tank weapons and ambush them somehow...

>>17663074
We would need more than a squad to do that.

Also, to be clear. When we lance the obliterators; we're target firing right? We want to keep the ship intact.

rolled 7 = 7

>>17663070
Let's hope for another monster roll!

>>17663074
Oh yeah, 6.
Ambushing them again and with greater numbers would be quite hard, but possible.

>>17663070
Lets wait until we explore the ship more. We can deal with oblits by bringing enough marines and the right weapons, and for all we know they're the worst thing on the ship. It's not worth it yet.

>>17663070

i thought space marine ships didn't have lances?

>>17663106
It possible to continue searching the ship, keeping tabs on the obliterators. When they are near the surface, we should hit em where it hurts.

>>17663011
Practice restraint, brother. Now is not the time.

How long would it take to bring reinforcements to Kalemus' squad? Enough to purge the obliterators without much loss of life, I mean. If it would take long, Kalemus and his men should pull out and return with more battle brothers. If reinforcements can arrive quickly, the forward squad should stay put and be ready to help flank the traitors.

I belive a lance strike is the only way, brothers. The obliterators are too great a threat.

I did have an idea to try and get them to chace Kalemus to the surface. But its very risky...

>>17663216
>>17663168
>>17663161
Ways to do it:
a) withdraw, destroy obliterators with the ship
b) reinforcements and engage(losses almost inevitable, as closed space denies our numerical superiority)
c) wait until they come back to engine room and then blast them(60% not to damage ship, but if fails - whole ship is lost).

>>17663216
Agreeable

Now that there's a tracker on the oblit surely we can explore the cruiser more, safe in the knowledge we know their location?

Have the current team continue to explore, it could come across something useful, and at the same time have a squad with anti-tank style weapons sent over to the Cruiser to eventually take out the oblit.

>>17663314
*chase* derp

>>17663316
Can't we just withdrawal our brothers on board and fire upon the obliterators' position wherever they are on the ship?

Anyway, I say option C, but we should withdrawal the astartes on board, beforehand.

>>17663333
you know exact location of ONE obliterator. if you will start exploring the ship, they are quite likely to split up and then safe evasion chance is just 25%.

Real late, catching up.

>>17663333
"In a game of cat and mouse, if somehow the mouse knows where the cat is at all times, he has essentially won. But when he gets foolhardy, that is when the owl swoops in. Kalemus must be wary of any owls that are sitting hidden in the night that is the ship, even though his cat is taken care off."

I'm in favor of withdrawing and destroying the ship.

>>17663398
i would give you xp for that if this was a pnp.

>>17663389

Oh, okay then. Option C is probably our best bet: We'd have to purge the ship anyway if we can't get rid of the Oblits, and we can't engage them without serious losses.

>>17663425
Would you believe I made that up? I feel like it should be a movie quote, but I brainstormed it right here when I should be studying for statistics.

>>17663316
Are we to understand that option C involves our scouting team being destroyed in the blast? If so I reiterate my support for option A

>>17663473
Well if we go with C, we should pull out before. There is literally no reason why we would leave them on the ship. Also, I support C. Even if the ship gets totaled, we can still sell it for scrap.

>>17663418
Let us purge this vessel, brothers! I knew something was wrong!

>>17663494
>>17663473
>>17663443
I assume that you go with C, but withdraw Kalemus' squad at first. Roll d100, please.

rolled 33 = 33

>>17663544
Rollin'

>>17663544
Come on- YAHTZEE

>>17663530
Kalemus, Get your men out of that accursed thing, Then we can destroy it.

rolled 1 = 1

>>17663544
Purge it for the Emperor!

>>17663558
Or not. No big deal. Sides, that's probably better than I could do

>>17663558
>>17663557
Why can't we draw the obliterators to the edge of the hull then lance them? Lay some bate?

>>17663644
As I understand, that's what option C is.

>>17663644
Leave something that emits heat on the outside fo the hull and when then the obliterators come (we could leave cameras to get the timing right) to check it out bam shelled to the warp.

>>17663557
Your capital weaponry makes a short work from one side of the ship, blasting those abomination into space. From what you can see, ship in general seems almost undamaged (92%). When you take over it's deck and scan it for any further surprises, it seems that the ship is clear. Thank the Emperor, that the Owl is somewhere else tonight.

Also I want to remind you, that Inidium, Eldar Farseer is still waiting for your release of Enelion and other Eldar prisoners.

Look at all these pretty rolls.

>>17663613
Radical.

>>17663654
I thought that C was just shoot into the middle of the ship. Not trying to draw them out first. If thats the case I chose C.

>>17663644
By the way thats me.

>>17663702
Release them! it must be done, a deal is a deal!

>>17663702
The idea was; that we have both halfs of the STC examined before releasing the last prisoner to prevent eldar trickery. To this end, we requested a further 5w for the last prisoner.

>>17663727
A was to destroy the whole ship
B was to send reinforcements to our scouts and try to engage them with ground forces.
C was to lure them to the engine room and target that, with a 40% chance of destroying the ship.

>>17663702
Allright, let's leave some people to clean up here and head out to meet them. On the way there we can get the Eldar to look at our Halberd and appraise it for chaos taint.

So what do we do with this ship, now? No doubt it's tainted.

>>17663702
Well, lets set about reclaiming this Heretical Hunk. Pretty sure someone mentioned dragging it over to the Sisters of Battle in order to get it purified, they could help us out immensely. Lets get a nice Imperial Eagle on its prow as soon as possible.

We shouldn't leave Inidium waiting for those Eldar. A STC is a valuable chunk of tech.

Can i just mention that, before moving on. What do we learn from the ships machine spirit and what do we gain aboard the ship?

>>17663613
Wait so low is good?

>>17663702
Lets leave 75 Marines (with enough specialists) and a few thousand guard to start clearing the hulk and cleaning up (the guard with direct marine oversight)

>>17663702
The scans said everything was "clear" before we found those obliterators, I wouldn't trust the scans.

I say we scout it more.

>>17663785
I'm sure that he will understand because we are fighting chaos (the only people that the eldar hate the most)

>>17663815
In the 40k RPGs (Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and Deathwatch) you try to role under a target number with percentile dice. An 01 is critical success.

>>17663770
Hopefully purify it if we can afford it. If we can't afford it we can keep it in stasis until we can. OP hinted in a previous session that purified ships may perform better than loyalist ships due to their hatred of chaos due to their mistreatment while under the control of chaos forces.

>>17663815
It is probably best we take it to a specialist. Perhaps Onyx. (they will be surprised)

This is not a job for warriors.

>>17663882
But they can make sure that there is nothing dangerous still there (I want to be really sure that we missed nothing) and they can start to scrap out the chaos symbols(and stuff like that).

>>17663882
I agree, let's take it to Onyx. After that we can go meet the Eldar.

>>17663922
i say we take it to Mostar it's on the way to Lamenta and we trust the Sisters more.

>>17663946
I agree with asking the Sisters first. We still haven't been able to clear up that rumor of the Admechs firing on our missing battle-brothers.

Of course that begs the question: What does purification entail? Does it require priests, tech-priests, or both?

Also, we should have 2 escorts from Task Force Lantern go back to searching for the Lost Third.

>>17663695
nice to see you, you just cleared the Nix Mirius.

oh, and i got some 40k-ish fonts that i want to play around with.

>>17663972
I wonder if purifying would be counted under that 50% discount we got for go after the chaos people.

CAPTCHA IS PROUD OF YOUR LEGACY!!!

>>17664007
Huzza, Huzza, Huzza!

rolled 23 = 23

>>17663990
Rollin'

>>17664007
YES!!

>>17663990

I think B is the best. Just after our new brothers join us.

>>17664007
Also, Don't know if you know that Captcha trick, but right there you wouldn't need to type chapter. YOu only have to completely type the wavy word, the other i just hit a couple random keys. As long as you have the wavy word, a space, then some letters the captcha registers as complete.

>>17663855
Less than 10 is critical success :)
>>17663972
Both. However Onyx will not give you discount for purifying this ship, mostly out of envy, However they will gladly buy it.

>>17663990
I say A and say an extra 5W and 1 year to be truly sure of it's purity.

Next we go to speak with the eldar.

>>17664052
I don't actively play em, just listen to a lot of Actual play podcasts. How I deal with long drives. Thanks for the pointer.

I think we should definitely refurbish this thing for personal use.

>>17664052
I'm not keen on selling another cruiser to them until we figure out why they fired on our lost brothers.

>>17664073
Alright. Good plan.

Hm, How are our other projects faring Skargan

>>17664048
I want some Wealth to be leftover to sink into the infrastructure of Salvation (I really want a strong economy)

>>17664048
I agree, B seems best.

>>17664107
Salvation already has a bustling economy. Salvation's lexicanum snapshot in this thread said so. I think we're pretty much set when it comes to that city. If we invest in anything, I think we should invest in Nordgrim or Lamenta.

I think some solid investments in Nordgrim could do us some serious good, Such as that orbital defense station and other things we promised them.

>>17663990

vote for cleansing plan B

also, we should contact the SoB on Mostar and look into having them once-over bless or study the ship after the AdMech. Better to waste a bit of wealth than to let that cogboy planet sneak a time bomb into our fleet.

>>17664148
I vote for Lamenta V, been wanting to check it out for some time.

>>17664148
Putting industry in Nordgrim would likely cause political upheaval since technology is considered "occult".

i am away to make some tea, will be back soon

>>17664204
Is it? I thought it was just fuedal? If it is, we should play the role of Sky Gods and teach them otherwise while spreading the Immortal Word of the immortal Emperor.

>>17664239
We could just float the orbital defence station just in sight as a sign of The Might of the Emperor

>>17664229
Let us proceed with it, I see no qualms.

>>17664229
STC's are archeotech. Archeotech is good and holy. We should build them bigger, better.

>>17663990
Skargan Some questions.
Could we have a updated map, and a key to what the colores mean (i've forgoten)

Are the siclincers in subsector Mortis?
>>17664148
I see your point but a little more couldn't hurt. But we could set some aside to help Nordgrim. But how are we going to make that planet profitable? (Any Ideas?)

>>17664229
I'm not sure I trust that. There Must be some consequences, treat a few test subjects with it and we will see.

>>17664239
The deal was that if we protected Nordgrim, the emperor there would give us access to his private "occult" library. There we found various plans for bridges, antibiotics, etc... along with a table labeled "STC". Actual Chaos-tainted occult items are destroyed immediately.

>>17664294
> siclincers
Balls I can't spell tonight, I mean that friendly Chapter

>>17664294
Hasn't it already been profitable!? The reward we got from the emperor of Nordgrim has lead us to THREE STC plans thus far!

>>17664270
Make it happen.

>>17664270
Agreed. Go ahead with the STC genetic modifications.

>>17664258
>>17664239
How about we leave 25 Marines to join Witch hunts for some time. After gaining their trust we could start spreading our Holy Occult.

>>17664148
Lamenta has no civilisation(or so it seems for now), so building anything there will first of all require colonisation/relocation of people from other parts of the realm.

Nordgrim is a feudal society, so building Industry there will have serious consequences. Nordgrim's tech grade will increase in a few decades, maybe a century(that's very fast, when compared to 500 year natural evolution of progress), however it will cause instability, population boom and maybe even a civil war between pro/anti-tech factions. It would be interesting and could pay off greatly, but it is risky,

>>17664412
I vote for a colonization effort of Lamenta. Deathworlds make good strong people. People that will make good marines. 200 years down the road when our fortress monastery is set up on Lamenta and the average citizen can choke a tiger with their hands, that is what I call a successful investment.

But then Nordgrim already has people. And being credited with bringing about civilization would merit respect as founders, like Simon Bolivar in South America or George Washington in the United States.

>>17664229
Without question.

>>17664323
>>17664294
>>17664204
I have 2 plans for nordgrims industry.
- They're main problem is food supply. Most of its inhabitants probably grow their own food. If we were to purchase food from the agri-world. We may ease theyre burden and see what comes of it. We will most likly get more worthy intitiate recruites as less will become frail with hunger.
- We could have them manufacture the bike design unearthed. They allready probably make use of horse-drawn carrages and plows and cavilry. Civilian versions could be used to fullfill these roles. And again, we could see what comes of it.

>>17664229
Yep.

>>17664471
What, does the fact that we're sons of the God-Emperor not merit enough respect?

We owe Nordgirm some AA at the very least, anything else is optional.

Now that we've this Cruiser business sorted, we need to tackle the lost third problem: the longer they're on their own the more dangerous things get, chaos could taint them or something. We don't want a Chaos Warband full of 1st Generation Rising Sons running around, it'd be quite embrassing for the Chapter.

>>17664412
So Heidrun might be the safest investment. I kind of want to invest so mich that the whole planet (or at least salvation) jumps a tech grade. From Imperial to Respectable.

By the way how much would that cost in time and wealth. May I assume that It's like the ship where necessary time and wealth are inversely proportional.

>>17664525
>Halberd's blade

Oh god an entire generation of warp-tainted marines. We're doomed.

>>17664525
I love it. For those who can't be bothered to google it, it's means New Angle.

>>17664573
That's acute

>>17664525
Let the machine spirit stay.

>>17664525
>the halberd

WHY.

>>17664525

>use tainted weapon to draw blood to enhance next generation of marines

+10 to Character DERP rating.

>>17664294
>>17664294
cryptus map:
red/black - separatist/semi-imperial planets
green - undeveloped
yellow - feudal/pre-modern
blue- civilised
red with slash - hive
grey with triangle - stations and forge worlds
black with white dot - faction-specific worlds
grey with X - forbidden worlds(visiting them gives heresy)

Silent Guardians do not have presence in Sub-Sector Mortis, as far as you know, they mainly operate in SS Tyranus. SS Mortis is known for not having a single Imperial planet... Chaos, separatist and xenos run that corner of space

>>17664525
Oh... no... dont do that...

I wanted to see what our geneseed turned out as... not have it influenced on a whim of fait...

>>17664573
>Google
ಠ_ಠ

>>17664674
I kinda wanted us to turn out to have a specialty that no one else has...

>>17664534
>>17664587
>>17664604
>>17664614

>>17664674
Google can do anything. (it also has a translator)

>>17664525
Right and we should have 21 wealth leave of which I want to invest 20W in salvation's Infrastructure (pending what Skargan says about tech progression).

>>17664757
Call him back, chase him down. He can't have gone far.

>>17664757

FIND AND STOP HIM

All marines to ALERT MODE

possible infiltrator or sorcery may be afoot!

>>17664760
Disagree with bottoming out our coffers just to throw more money at an already rich City. Also, run after that man, grabbing his scrolls as you go. Read them on the fly.

>>17664775
Chase him down, That blood shall not be used!

>>17664775
Let's do this as well as having our self checked out.

For the love of the Emperor get rid of the damn Halberd, it's clearly fucking with us!

>>17664757
Call him back, NOW.

>>17664783
The halberd's taint has already been described as subtle, I'm guessing it did this.

>>17664810
>>17664807
Seconding.

Alright! I'm all caught up and ready to roll. Find Asmodeus and get that blood back ASAP.

>>17664760
>>17664651
forgot map.

Reason, you are right about tech grade development. Actually it is very easy to raise Salvation's tech level, because it is just a city, but planet-wide upgrades take decades at least and cost in hundreds of Wealth, i will prepare the mechanics when you will have resources to do that. Also, above Imperial level [IV] tech requires sponsor - like a forge world or a dedicated genius/organisation/faction that would not only import tech, but also show how to replicate/maintain it. Because tech grade shows what world is capable to produce by itself.

you have 20 wealth (-100 for ship, -1 for bombardment)
So, +1 Industry on Salvation?

>>17664857
I'd rather have that go to Nordgrim's long promised AA.

>>17664857
Send it to Nordgrim. They are looking to us as protectors, I say we protect them.

>>17664857
No. We should use that money to buy wargear for our characters and/or establish our monastery. It is time we got that done.

>>17664863
We haven't reneged on our promise to Nordgrim. The agreement was that we'd protect them, so we left them a beacon to contact us. Of course AA would be more effective, but it's not as though we're flat-out lying.

>>17664857
Or just save that 20 wealth. There's no reason to burn all of our cash. Also, how much did we get from the Cruiser? I remember you said roll a d50. i don't know if that got factored into our total/

>>17664857
Cool.
I suppor the Industry because For the next five years we (hopefully) will just be waiting and building up, and I want to maximise that.

But what about the blood?

Don´t forget that we should return the body or gene-seed of Librarian Sophius back to his chapter Silent Guardian to show your respect and honor. And also try to avoid asking them for another librarian because we don´t deserve it after we lost their value brother.
>>17664525
>>17664757

By F##KING EMPEROR BLOODS!

Lock away the Halberd! Get the blood back NOW! PRONTO!

>>17664875
I agree.

Skargan, how do we go about purifying our tainted items? Specifically the halberd and helmet.

>>17664863
>>17664875
>>17664887
We could just let our battle barge Idle in Nordgrim's system to intimidate pirates away. No investments and Nordgrims safe.

I only advocate this as a stopgap till a more permeant solution presents it self.

>>17664960
And possibly recovered power armor?

>>17664981
That's fine with me. And Tactical does raise a good point: we've been out and about in space nearly a decade and we still don't have a monastery. Unless we plan on becoming a fleet based chapter, we should find a planet to hunker down on.

>>17664853
>>17664810
>>17664802
>>17664783
>>17664775

Seems like:
-Move Eternity to Nordgrim
-Lets leave an escort over Salvation
-Return to looking for Lost Third
-Invest in building a monestary

Also>>17665056
Mind=F*cked
I saw his name pop up on the Allies list, but I thought I just missed something

Oh, you!

>>17665056
Warp taint or Alpha Legion. Take your pick. Either way, destroy that hailbird.

>>17665056
Lock down everything, It could be that Asmodeus is a creation of the tainted Halberd, Get ridda that shit and destroy these papers

>>17665056

fuck, he's a warp entity.

the halberd is to be destroyed before its taint can spread.

stand down all forces.

proceed to eldar meeting point?

>>17665022
We've been getting bounced around between a hive of scum and villainy, (possibly) treacherous admech, dark eldar ambushes, chaos space marines, and NOW what might be a Tzeenchian daemon-in-a-stick.

>>17665056
I was wondering who the hell that was, I assumed he was just newly promoted but then-unnamed marine. Shit. Lock down the ship, and put a hold on the production of new marines. Brilliant move OP.

>>17664890
forgot to add 23 wealth you looted from the cruiser. 43 total
>>17664960
Complete Purification:
Halbeard d10 Wealth, 3 years
Heavy Bolter d3 Wealth, 1 year
You could purify Borborygmos' artifacts, but no one in your chapter would use them by their own free will...

>>17665197
I think we should just throw them in a stasis field as trophies of our conquests for morale. That halberd is messing with our head.

>>17665219
Agreed,

>>17665167
I agree with this. Check with the techmarine in charge of STCs.

>>17665197
I vote to just toss them all.

>>17665197
Alright then, after we deal with Asmodeus we can purify it. For now we'll stick it in stasis.

>>17665219
The simple fact that it CAN be purified is proof that it isn't the cause, just a tool used against us.

>>17665167
>>17665089
>>17665102
>>17665108
>>17665158

Actually I hoped you won't notice those small hints... Asmodeus had big plans for your little brothers. But I admit I am amazed how quickly and with how many posts you reacted. Bravo, you just averted the worst disaster in your Chapters history so far.

>>17665276
You'll have to forgive me if I don't want to see us branded as heretics and slaughtered by The Inquisition *just* yet. Well played though all the same!

Good night all, I'll check the archive for then ending. Once again, great job Skargan.

rolled 6 = 6

>>17665276
Averted? Then the blood has been located/destroyed?

That halberd has too much sentimental value to just toss, especially when this option is available, so rolling to have the halberd purified. Should've done this sooner.

>>17665276
I remember seeing Asmodeus in the allies list and thought "That's a suspicious name", but I never said anything.

I hope we see some even more devious twists than this one in the future. This was a very fun turn of events.

rolled 36 = 36

halberd purification roll, HO!

That's going on in this thre--

I'm watching...
=][=

>>17665276
after missing another quest's hints that were-spiders were about... this anon is paranoid about details at times

>>17665418
Lets not blow all our wealth at once on purification, we know that the tainted items are safely inert if put inside a stasis field. The halberd was dangerous primarily because we carry it around.

btw, please have in mind that I would support narrative time(skipping some time to recuperate, boost economy, grow marines, etc.) if you will need it. But abusing it might end badly, because setting is sandbox, and stuff is happening even there where you aren't and if you will decide to chill for a century, it might end in a very bad way :)

>>17665467
Yes but if there are any traitors in our midst, a corrupted artifact within arm's reach is a really easy way to screw us over.

>>17665335
good night, i will archive it. next game will be on thursday.
>>17665358
Averted in a sense -> you understood that something is happening. Unless you will forget everything, there is very small chance now for 'just as planned'

>>17665473
Mail the papers to the Ordo Hereticus and ask them what they think about it.

Year 027.M41 begins as you enter Lamenta V system where prisoner exchange must take place... After some discussions Eldar agree to pay additional 5 wealth in jewels IF next time when you deal with them you will trust them and make no nonsense.

Do you proceed with the exchange?

Eldar prisoners -> STC + 5 Wealth

>>17665473
We need to seek purification, I suggest we go to the sisters and bring the halberd to them. Let's show the papers to Hypocrates. I believe we should tell the men the trurth, we might be tainted.

>>17665638
Tell Hypocrates sure. Tell everyone else, HELL NO.

>>17665473
We should tell them the truth (as far as we know it).

Those caves held a powerful daemon, which proceeded to follow us onto the ship in an effort to sabotage the marines during their creation. We caught on to its vile machinations and their "search for the invisible man" caused it to flee, averting a horrible disaster. Such is the danger of facing the minions of chaos.

I'm thinking we should give those Nordgrim witch hunters a "tour" of our ship, to make sure it doesn't linger. Also destroy the papers and don't let Hypocrates see them, his comments when studying the xenos make me doubt his ability to resist this temptation.

>>17665473

address the chapter and allies as such:

"The Emperor's light shines down upon us all, but let my actions today remind us that we must remain ever vigilant, for idleness and complacency weaken the mind of the Emperor's servants, be they his angels of death or his humble human warriors. The Emperor guides and protects us, but our eyes and ears must be open and listening to follow his light and voice!"

>>17665473
Seal the papers away, no one is to see them, touch them or even know of their existential until Hypocrates can decipher their meaning.

My take:

>"Forgive me my fellow brothers and guardsmen, the day has been long, and the battle was hard fought; our loses were quite dear. And I greatly fear I may have suffered more dearly at the vile claws of Borborygmos. While I do not doubt my strength to lead you all in duty and in battle, I do no wish to cause further alarm nor exposure to taint upon any of you. After our business with the Eldar is concluded, set course for Mostar, let the sisters there know I seek purification."

>>17665634
That's fine.

>>17665634
How about instead they tell us if the kappa force has fallen to chaos

>>17665694
No. We've gone over this before. We don't want to give away that we're not at full strength.

>>17665694
I'm okay with that, let's just get anything about Kappa.

>>17665634
Has the STC integrity allready been verified? What is its Contents?

You know what, I'm against even telling Hypocrates. You guys know how eager he is to start modifying our gene-seed and from what we can guess, these papers are a big guide on how to do just that. For all we know, these papers will be one big propaganda booklet begging him to turn to chaos.

>>17665751
But then on the other hand, we can't be sure whether or not we've sabotaged the gene-seed ourselves. I vote to tell him, but not show him the papers.

>>17665690
>>17665685
awesome, i love your rp
>>17665717
>>17665707
>>17665694
2:1 in favour of 5W -> info about Kappa
STC is verified as true

>>17665791
"Your plans will shatter upon the Emperor's sons, deamon."

>>17665791
YOUR MOTHER WAS A DONKEY!! (watch for reaction)

>>17665791
"You will pay dearly for your acts.I swear to the Emperor you will be destroyed!"

>>17665791
"Whatever vile machinations you plan, you will not succeed. This I so swear, on my Honour, and in the name of The Emperor on Holy Terra for whom I have sworn my every existence. You will not succeed!"

Or
"Go fuck yourself Dave!"

>>17665791
What value could the words of a daemon possibly hold? We have no meaningful questions to ask that would be answered truthfully, and this exchange is little more than an attempt to plant doubt into our minds.

>>17665791
Really quick, when it was first introduced, was it always called the Halbird of Deceit? Cus if so, that really should have been something we picked up on.

>>17665995
No. It's always just been a Halberd.

>>17666007
"Yes. Look it over thoroughly, brother."

>>17665995
No, it was just the halberd. We knew it had a subtle warp taint, but nothing else. Also where do we go to purify this thing?

>>17666007
Tell him the truth, these papers were written by a daemon. Look upon them not as an opportunity, but an enemy attack strategy. NONE of this information is to be used for ANY experiments or marines.

Hey guys, I have been gone for a bit (since last November) and I was wondering what the hell happened to Chapter Master. It was looking really promising last I checked but I have not seen a thread these past few days or any activity elsewhere.

Will I have to give up my dream of winning glory in the name of the emprah through managing stuff?

>>17666076
The Chapter Master sim/rpg still exists, this is not that game though. We are playing a Dark Heresy variant surrounding an unknown chapter.

>>17666007
"No, brother. Let our minds wonder not from the path the emperor has put us on."
(destroy the papers)
"Incidentally, how is your psychic training progressing?"

>>17666076
You're looking for this: http://tgchaptermaster.freeforums.org/

>>17666076
Here's the forums for /tg/'s game
http://tgchaptermaster.freeforums.org/index.php

Polite sage for off topic

>>17666105
Awesome. I always like to imagine that the CM has a bit of a dry sense of humor.

>>17666105
Is that wise? If the specific mission was anything more elaborate than "kill everything" we could be uncovering a major chaos plot. This entire thing could be an attempt to weaken our chapter to prepare for an invasion of the sector.

>>17666034
"...but tell no one else about it."

>>17666158
I assume that the enemy is allways preparing for an invasion, and as of yet, bolt rounds and holy promethium have proved the best allies and preperation.

>>17666063
Second this, for if we know what Mr. Ahole wants then we can frustrate him.

>>17665858
>>17665848
>>17665843
>>17665832
None of your words interested Asmodeus enough to answer and he fades to nothing,
>>17665995
I named it like this only now, because of the events. You can rename it, if you want to.

>>17666187
It would be unwise not to pursue this lead. We need all the information we can get on this Daemon and his plans.

>>17666216
I was just curious if we had missed an otherwise HUGE CLUE.

>>17666168
The papers were left for us to find. They probably contain taint for the eyes of the reader and we do not want to put such a burden on our psycher.

Further still they could be used by the deamon to enter this realm as he did once before.

Am I the only one getting redirected to the 4chan homepage from all the pictures?

>>17666216
Since we have no Heresy now, I say we take it; we can use it to find our brothers when we are more prepared. And we *will* find them and bring them home to us.

>>17666216
Let's take the bone. We need to find that ice planet soon. This situation with Onyx is getting worse by the minute.

>>17666265
I was just about to say that. Take the heresy penalty.

>>17666187
Fair enough. Destroying the papers might be for the best, considering this daemon's penchant for manipulation he may be able to manifest through it.

We should begin purification of the halberd immediately. It's been put off long enough, and since destroying it would not deter the daemon, we shall use it against him.

>>17666216
ONYX.

>>17666232
I cast my vote for burning them.

>>17666281
Our plans are currently to head over to the Sisters of Battle to have ourselves be purified immediately after exchanging the Eldar prisoners.

>>17666265
>>17666272
>>17666276
Yes. This bone will either lead to the ice world, or to the treacherous mechanicus. Either will illuminate many mysteries.

>>17666216
STC Tank Design.

>>17666232
A valid theory, but unless it was a very well orchestrated spectacle, you are willing to believe, that you saw those papers at all just because by using your superior intelligence and willpower you managed to see through daemons spells... After all it was 'using' you for at least a few weeks.

I'm getting worried about our chaos ship now. The admechs are probably sabotaging it as we speak.

>>17666216
The pattern is cool. Take the Eye Bone thingy and give them 2 wealth for their kindness.(We want the Eldar to think we are good tools)

The Machine Planet sounds like Onyx (I don't like that one bit).

>>17666216

>tank variant
> 95mm main gun
> 4(?) heavy bolter sponsons

did you just give us plans for some sort of upgunned space M2 Medium Tank?

>>17666330
Daemons are experts at manipulation, and pride is one of the tools they use. But I have a compromise:

Place the papers in a stasis field, and allow him to decode them from there. He can discern this "mission" without being at risk from direct manipulation by Asmodeus.

>>17666330
How about we name the tank the "T Pattern Mobile Anti-Vehicle Weapon", in honour of Tetrovir.

>>17666330
Just to be clear, but what race was the pirate we bluffed away from Nordgrim?

>>17666373
That is a good idea, he should take this course of action.

>>17666390
Human
>>17666373
Good compromise, I second.

>>17666330
Thoughts going forward:

-Let us head to Morstar to have the chapter purified and send word to our brother chapter about their fallen Librarian, he should be laid to rest by his chapter brothers with the honour and respect he deserves.
-Consolidate our available strength in preperation for whatever we are going to do with Onyx; we don't have to do anything now but the more we go down this road and the more we learn, the more and more I smell hereteks.
-Lets find a place to settle and found our monastery, make use of the STC and bring ourselves back up to strength. And if possible find more information on The Lost Third.

Tactical, what do you think?

Does anyone else worry if Onyx will grow jealous of the industry and prosperity of Salvation and one day try to seize it?

That'll be a goddamn bloodbath if it ever happens.

Take the wraithbone, the penalty is fairly light.

>>17666438
And while we're at Mostar, purify that damn halberd.

>>17666459
I think we should space the fuckin thing, but whatever.

>>17666406
Alright so we can establish that our second hint to Onyx's betrayal is either independent verification, or a lie specifically fabricated by the Eldar to mislead us further. I say after we're done at Mostar we recall Task Force Lantern then head to the ice world.

>>17666466
No way. It's obviously a Tzeenchian artifact. Throwing it into space is just begging for a "Just as planned" moment. Either purify it or destroy it.

>>17666216
I do not believe the alien tail. It is far easier for a clairvoyant to tell the person what they want to hear, in this case about onyx, and spread doubt among them.
Furthermore, they are marines, not civilans. If they should die they do so in the service of the emperor. Do not forget our mandate to protect the imperium and its interests.

However, the eldar prophesy must be somewhat reliable considering our future prisoners exchange agreement.

The eye bone is most likly a trick. But i think we have decided we are willing to accept the risk.

>>17666390
Jarred the Pirate was human, you still have his contacts.

Done, papers are being decoded from stasis field.

It is year 28.M41 when you arrive on Mostar

>>17666474
Burn it in a star, Better to be sure.

Also did we reach consensus about weather we will Invers more in the industry of Salvation? (I'm still pro but I'm willing to bow to the majority on this one)

>>17666373
Who are you to demand compromise anon??

The papers are to be destroyed. This is the best course of action. We are not becoming a collection of tainted artifacts so that you can later demand that we use them in a time of need and then claim victory as the chapter falls to chaos!

I will not have that. Shut up.

>>17666492
Personally I'm against this penitence. Not only did we thwart the daemon, but these events have shown that we cannot afford to remain vulnerable (by missing a chapter master for example).

We cannot abandon our marines in a fit of self pity.

>>17666492
We had at least 4 people agree to destroy the papers. And those people have been here the longest.

>>17666535
I'm also against this penitence, but it would not be bad to tell her of our worries and ask her thoughts. Might be helpful to get a outsiders opinion.

>>17666492
>>17666541

True, missed that, it's 6 AM here. Document and it's secrets burn...

>>17666541
>>17666559
I thought it was tied?

>>17666586
Thats not what i saw.

>>17666559
In any case i need to go to bed.
(op, you shouldnt drink tea at night, youll turn into an insomniac, but i'll have to stop around 3am from now on)

>>17666559
Actually we have 4 for burning them
>>17666281
>>17666105
>>17665677
>>17665108

and 5 for decoding them. (though one may be a repeat)
>>17666406
>>17666398
>>17666373
>>17666158
>>17666063

>>17666559
>>17666541
I sense that some of the people left, so let us leave this question for the next session. otherwise(if there are at least 3 named players)
a) burn
b) research with caution

anons can also vote, but 3 anons = 1 named player.

Purification:
A) do it [your suggestion how]
B) not do it
C) just flirt about philosophy and strategy with Angelia

>>17666637
I vote to keep the papers and study them in stasis.

I vote to ask the Sisters if there are any other ways of purification as we are pressed for time.

>>17666637
The papers b)

Purification A) but sort of C)
I want to talk about how the situation happened, and how it might be prevented. Also talking strategy to present a unified front could never hurt.

>>17666637
Burn the papers; nothing good can come from a Tzeenechian plot.

I was the one who suggested purification but if the general consensus is that we don't need it I won't force the issue. Let's tell them of what transpired and our concerns, and see if there's something that won't take as much time (at worst, we can ask the sub-sector deacon for a crusade or something).

>>17666658
Voting in favor of both of these.

>>17666672
Also ask for any roumers about Onyx. (they probably have nothing but it would be good to check.

>>17666686
Are you sure? You wanted to burn them pretty badly.

>>17666637
A) buuurn
(hurp adurp aarrhhp)

>>17666710
>>17666703
Cut him some slack, it's verry late there. I think we might have reached our stopping point for this session.

>>17666713
That is all I was trying to do.

>>17666672
>>17666658
>>17666677
>>17666710
as we again have a tie, this anon breaks it
>>17666678
Papers are kept in stasis.


Also, thread archived:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17661099/

>>17666637
Note I staunchly oppose use any of the genetic engineeringknowledge on our marines, but knowing what the daemon (or what ever he was) wants us to do could be a great clue.

>>17666798
Great work today, see you on Thursday.

(thats my limit, nap time)
Before i go. I'd like to submit this.

I know we said that we should choose a chapter monastery first, so our colour scheme would better fit the location and as far as i'm concerned thats still the plan.
I also know that you'll want to submit your own ideas as to the colour scheme for the chapter... but here you go anyway.

Thank you all again for playing, I hope we will meet on Thursday. Bye to all of you

>>17666798
good night and Thanks for the game.

Things yet to do
Figure out weather to invest in salvation (yes I like to push it)

The NordGrim Problem (how, when, and for how much)

The lost companies (find, when)
The Ice one
The captured one

And building up to full force

>>17666829
I like the middle one the most, the one on the right (with the grey head) the next most.

>>17666861
I also like the middle scheme. Maybe we could make the helmet a little brighter (maybe white?) and the eagle gold?

>>17666884
I like the pure grey it's dignified.

Something different about the left arm maybe? Also lets avoid red/black/white, as those are colors of the mechanicus.