Who the fuck is this and why should I care?

[generically hateful comment, subtly trolling OP]

PCs die.

Deal with it.

You're not a bad DM if your PCs die. You can be a bad DM for stuff related to that, but just because they died? You're not.

RPGA are kind of dicks like that. I got banned from D&D Encounters at my local store because two PCs died.

>>18228387
Spoonyexperiment.com

Top two videos

>>18228394
>RPGA are kind of dicks like that. I got banned from D&D Encounters at my local store because two PCs died.

Hi Noah.

>>18228394

PCs die. That's fine.

People like a sense of danger.

Hey, you should tell all your players that all their characters died from a cave in next time

see how they take it

treating your players like fucking crap is the best way to no longer have players

The only time I kill my players for no reason is if they act like complete assholes over multiple sessions, or if I'm running Paranoia.

>>18228394
You're a bad DM if you kill your player's for no reason. And if you DM D&D encounters your not suppose to kill them, you're getting payed to make sure everyone has fun.

'UUUUuuuh im upset at something on the internet AGREE WITH ME??!?!?!.'

That your opinion brah and i think spoonys fun to listen to myself, go bitch on his forums if you don't like him.

Sides i like the fact that he did not coddle the PC's he let it be interesting and had fun himself. DM's need to have fun too :3

>>18228417

>:3

Oh and you were doing so well too! 4/10, better luck next time

>>18228415
>And if you DM D&D encounters your not suppose to kill them, you're getting payed to make sure everyone has fun.

This.

>DM games for players to have a relaxed, fun time
>kill 3 PCs in one match because you dislike the guys you're playing with
>bitch about it on the Internet in a Vlog

Pathetic.

>>18228415

It is a game based on luck. There is so much "miraculous saves" you can perform without breaching suspension of disbelief and ruining everyone's fun. Geez, the encounters they hand us are SCRIPTED. Even the way to help the PCs. I played word by word the entries on how to "cheat" for the players to win.

Guess what? They still lost players. Luck is a factor in the game.

>>18228431
Roll behind a screen?

>>18228431
Uh, no. I've played multiple Encounters games, and I've only had one person die once.

>that when DMing he actively tries to punish/kill players on purpose

No he doesn't. From what I've read he just plays strategically and thinks "how would __________ react to this situation"?

The entire video you're quoting has him literally being handed three wizards, with a 1d4+2 damage spell and then says that they're charging a bunch of well-armed adventurers when he (logically) decided that Wizards would actually play smarter than that.

The fact PC's died over that was just an aspect of him playing to his own sensibilities. In fact he even COMPLAINED about certain Gygax Modules for being little more than a meat-grinder where everything was trying to kill/destroy you for little to no reason.

And really? Kicking a GM out BECAUSE he killed players? And not in a way that was obviously offending or pissing off any of the players (as far as we know) is still kind of a dick thing for the RPGA to do. If you don't want to play a game where death is at least a viable option then you shouldn't play games that have 0 HP and die mechanics. Maybe FATE is a bit more up your alley?

>>18228427

Actually, you are payed to run it exactly by script. Not that I ever saw a cent...

As for everyone's having fun? The other players were getting very upset with my almost blatant "cheating" and hand-helding and deus ex saves. It was either go with a concensus everyone agreed with - dice results - or always upset a larger party.

>>18228367
Did... did we watch the same video at all?

Of course you can't kill players. It's bad for the narrative!

Why would you want such a huge bump in your story?

>>18228449

Also those characters had to be like level 1 right? I don't remember it being specifically mentioned, but if they're going up against a bunch of level 1 wizards they must have been.

I can't say that he actively tries to kill his players, more that he tries to challenge his players.

It's pretty much the way I DM, if you're an idiot and you don't think about things logically then you're likely going to die.

>>18228427

Did he do this in his newest video?
Because in the video were he got kicked from RPGA he just got three people killed with sheer luck/accident, they were high lvl and you can't expect three to die from a fight against lvl 1 mages.

Since when does /tg even care about Spoony? Aren't we to busy talking about 40k or elf slaves?

>>18228444

it does depend on how many players are playing, and the general power level of the season (the fey one was fucking brutal.)

>>18228431
>There is so much "miraculous saves" you can perform without breaching suspension of disbelief and ruining everyone's fun.
True, but if you kill three PCs in the same session I'm pretty sure you didn't perform enough.

>>18228470
>claim it's perfectly roll of dice if three PCs die in one fucking game

Yea okay.

>>18228463

Tolkien killed Boromir and didn't give a damn.

>Implying its not fun when characters die.
>Playing with insufferable manchildren

I don't agree that a DM should be out to get his players. But this thread is why I hang out with the RPGA and got certified, but would never work for them.

Ko-Oh-Ri and the nuclear fireball killed a character, and 8+ tables of rpga games went silent to stare and watch our adventure.

Had a 14 player party the next day because of it.

Getting kicked out for character deaths is BS.

>>18228482
>bringing up Tolkien in a DM thread

Here we fucking go.

>>18228480
Dice happen, the last session I had was filled with some of the most unimaginably bad rolls we've had which almost lead to a TPK of a party fighting an enemy with a CR 1 level lower than it.

>>18228482
Boromir wasn't played by a real person who's helping to make the narrative.

>>18228477

What three? I only lost two.

And shit sucks. When you are on 1 HP and keep defying luck round after round by sticking next to monsters with auras that the script tells you use ALWAYS a close attack, you go down, you get up, you go down, you get up, and they you finally have ill-fortune in the Death Save, you die.

>>18228482
1/9, not counting major NPCs, out of a three-volumes campaign.

>>18228495
>What three? I only lost two.
My bad, mixed up your experience with that in OP.

>>18228477

Well the fact from the way he worded it, it sounded like they just got REALLY SHITTY ROLLS?

I think he's just the kind of DM who plays it very closely to the dice. It's why he had that Spycraft game that ended disastrously because that one guy kept rolling 1's.

Which keep in mind, isn't a bad thing. From the way D&D is (supposedly) played by him? It's just a tactic as viable as any other... and really? I think Death is at least SOMETHING that should be acknowledged in D&D considering it has a real death mechanics.

Nothing wrong with saying "no you don't die" or something akin to that if you really want to keep sticking to the narrative more, but D&D has always been a bit more of a game than a storytelling experience.

I've got a friend sort of like that, not really sure I wanna game with him anymore. He's more of a board gamer and when he plays any game he plays it like a board gamer: to win no matter the cost. He's not actively aware that he does it but he does. Most encounters he runs he ends up having to fudge everything near the end or everyone dies horribly. Mostly because he always sets up what are clearly no-win situations. If we try some tactics or something other than a standard attack? Multiple checks at sky-high difficulties.

Plus he can never admit he's wrong about anything when it comes to certain things, games being one of them. Last encounter we played we started a combat with some wolves who had surrounded us. I called BS in that we didn't even get a roll to notice things circling us in order to ambush us. I argued that we should have a chance to notice this and act accordingly if we spotted them before they were ready. His solution? Allow a surprise round where we could act if we made the spot check. And the wolves? They didn't have to make any sort of check, they would automatically act. So his compromise was even worse when half the party didn't make it and couldn't even act at all the first round.

When it comes to this guy I'm sticking to board games from now on.

From his description, no, I don't think he was deliberately out to kill and punish PCs. I think he was handed a stupid scenario and was trying to make it less stupid.

Good DM and good player isn't about avoiding player death.

Is about how you roll with it.

>>18228520

Anyway, the players of the dead PCs didn't even complain about me. They complained about the other four party members.

But the RPGA still took my badge and gun and laid the blame at my feet. Fuck those assholes.

>>18228521
I agree that death should be acknowledged, but letting 3 people die in one game is sort of silly.

Now I'm not saying if the PC's purposely get into a fight they can't win, that you can't do anything. I just don't think three people should die in a normal encounter.

>>18228494

As if there a difference between PC1 and PC2. They're all interchangeable.

>>18228367
He actually thought through the actions of his NPCs and had them act in character. A physical embodiment / avatar / earthly vessel of a goddess of War / Rape gets humiliated (acid, in the face), his patron-deity is written as a total bitch, and she pulls his healing powers from him. (making his acid burns progressively worsen in the process). The NPC responds like the psychotic City-Enforcer / Rapist / Invulnerable Sadist that he is. First with bribery, then with force, then with REALLY OVERWHELMING FORCE.

Players pulled their shit together, and, out-witted the NPC at every step. Even when Spoony designed ambushes, they had counter-ambushes.

In short, yes, the NPC is written as a dick. The GM played him as a dick. It was all *very* well done, and lead to a truly epic story which was player-driven.

>>18228562

He even ignored the "canon" mary-sue powers of the NPC to allow EPIC VICTORY.

>>18228542
Because PCs should never be in over their heads during an encounter. They should always be placed with exactly enough enemies of a certain toughness so that they always prevail.

>>18228575
Which reminds me, I only read the first Thieve's world book, what the hell WERE the NPC's epic canon mary-sue godd powers?

>>18228542

>but letting 3 people die in one game is sort of silly.

I dunno man. It's just how some people GM. Honestly if you disagree then maybe you should take it up with him if he ever runs a game for you, but you can't honestly claim your style is somehow better than any other, especially if it's not blatantly THAT GMish.

>>18228367
>jesus christ a dm that actively challenges my character and isn't afraid to kill me if I fuck up ? inconceivable, my tiny willy is shrinking in fear even more !
But seriously, he seems like a fun guy to be around with and I'd like some challenge.

>>18228525

The scenario was fucking idiot. I mean, he even got insulted by the part he DIDN'T change.

Really? Jumping wizards that challenge fighters to duels. REALLY? REALLY?

It only works on a very very very silly game. For sons of silly persons.

>>18228427
>>18228415
>Implying the threat of death doesn't add to the fun of the game
>Implying that AD&D 2e and 3e/3.5 past level 10 wasn't DM vs. Players while 1-10 is guiding the players through the lands and building them up to be the big damn heroes
>Implying AD&D 2e didn't effectively say "if your players are getting higher level than 14 you should probably introduce shit that is likely to kill them"
>Implying they don't make modules like the 4e Lair Assaults or the original Tomb of Horrors for RPGA/Gencon events
>Implying players are all babbies who are terrified of losing more than 50% of their HP and cry uncontrollably when threatened
>Implying there's no spaghetti in your pockets that will fall out

Why is your anus so devastated by a guy talking about his glory days?

"Don't let that TPK get you down, boy. PC die all the time, just like that. Why, your character could wake up dead tomorrow!"

"... well, g'night!"

>>18228367
Hey, don't be a pansy. Some DMs do that. Get over it.

>kill players on purpose
Depends on the game. For DnD this is not always the way to do it unless your are playing with guys that like it that way or you are coming to the climax of a campaign. Nothing destroys tension like the surety of success.

Now when you play Dark Heresy and the related games you are supposed to be cruel and vicious to the players so that if fits the game setting, but they can just burn a fate point and get out of it. Hence why are started using fate points in other games. So that I was not giving out fiats to survive anything. Rather you could use the fate point to get something to help yourself and party survive or save it so that you could get out of a tight spot. It keeps bad luck from fucking up a game while at the same time gives the player reasons to not want to burn the fate point. And for DnD type shit I have a cap of 1 fate point, if you get 2 you just use 1 to purchase something.

So in this way though I give out less experience to balance giving fate points it gives the players one more bit of control over how the world works and prevents railroading or favoritism when it comes to character death.

>>18228562
This. I watched the video thinking "holy shit, I wish my games were more like this".

His players were fucking fantastic, and he responded accurately and realistically to the situation. PCs shouldn't be spoonfed bullshit. If they do shit to get them in trouble, they should be able to deal with that trouble.

Besides. Only one of those deaths was not planned by the players. The other two were "just as planned" deaths.

>put players into a game they've never played before (Thieves World)
>take all their gear and buttfuck them from the start
>give them a challenge that will essentially kill them if they accept it, or kill them if they refuse it
>plan it so that at least one or two of the PCs survive the challenge, but they receive nothing for their work
>they master your challenge and everyone survives
>fuck them in the ass because they overcame your game breaking, unfair as fuck bullshit you call "DMing"

I would not play with Spoony if you paid me to.

It all comes down to party. It is the same thing as mood.

Some groups just like to fulfill power fantasies and steam roll. Other like it gritty and nasty.

Like everything in life, it is all about making concessions and negotiating common ground. As long as everyone is on the same page, everything is groovy.

>> If you do something your players don't like, you are a bad DM

This is the eternal truth. Your entire job is to make the game fun for the players. That is it.

>>18228638

>take all their gear and buttfuck them from the start

You mean that thing he tried to explain he didn't do to be a dick, and actually EXPLAINED to his PC's before hand because that's what a mature and reasonable DM does?

>give them a challenge that will essentially kill them if they accept it, or kill them if they refuse it

What? You mean the demigod mary sue challenging them? AFTER they'd thrown the acid in his face? Ya know, sometimes you just work yourself into a corner.

>plan it so that at least one or two of the PCs survive the challenge, but they receive nothing for their work

... wait where was this? Huh?

>they master your challenge and everyone survives
>fuck them in the ass because they overcame your game breaking, unfair as fuck bullshit you call "DMing"

... did we see the same video? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>18228638

the players had fun, didnt they?
so what's your point?

Obviously many faggots ITT haven't actually watched the video so i'll break down what he actually did.

Party of fully rested PCs featuring a thief, fighter, a wizard and 2 broken clerics, one of whom was his brother. I might add that he gets on incredibly well with his brother.

The RPGA railroad states that 3 leaping 1st level wizards attack them in broad daylight for no reason, with each having memorized the spell magic missle. I need hardly add, even if they had all targeted a single person, THIS HAD NO CHANCE OF KILLING ANY OF THEM.
so he changed the loadout to sleep, charm person (I think) and ray of enfeeblement.
the sleep spell got lucky and took down 3 of them (the clerics and wizard), the thief who got charmed got instantly punched out and the fighter got enfeebled while 2 of the wizards started wailing on him with their staffs.
the other wizard wiped out 2 of the sleepers before the fighter managed to kill 'em all.
it was bad luck, nothing more. All Spoony did was give the wizards a loadout that didn't imply they were all fucking lobotomy patients. If spoony had wanted them dead for the lulz a loadout that relied so heavily on a lucky sleep and charm would not have been the way to do it.

And if you want a campaign that holds your hand, a DM that never puts you in danger then I want to say this.
You are a faggot that should die immediately.

>>18228521

>DnD has always been more game than storytelling

You're adoreable. Where's your mommy? Are you lost?

>>18228677

Given the final statement,

>I would not play with Spoony if you paid me to.

His point is that he personally would not have had fun were he involved in this game. Make of that what you will.

>>18228669
>demigod mary sue

Even if the guy you were quoting was wrong on all other points, the fact that he included this shit in a party of people LOL RANDUM XD enough to throw acid in its face in the first place proves that he simply doesn't know the party.

Even if he's a passable DM, he doesn't strike me as a GOOD DM, no matter how many of his videos I watch.

Hell, I can say with no false confidence that I'm certain I'm a better DM than he is.

>>18228706

Hey man. You wanna contest that? Be my guest. I'm sure your own mental houserules make it the superb storytelling system of your choice.

But the game was constructed with some very game-based decisions outside of some very simple storytelling decisions. FATE, Legend of the Wulin or (to a much, much, much lesser extent) Exalted? Those are games built around telling a story or giving tools to help craft a story. D&D has always felt more like "Here's a list of shit you can do, go out and adventure and hope you don't die".

Whether or not you choose to play it that way? That's how the books pitch the damn game more often than not.

>>18228638
>put players into a game they've never played before (Thieves World)
>take all their gear and buttfuck them from the start
>give them a challenge that will essentially kill them if they accept it, or kill them if they refuse it
>plan it so that at least one or two of the PCs survive the challenge, but they receive nothing for their work
>they master your challenge and everyone survives
>During closing moments, they throw acid in the face of a major NPC.
>Steal Everything and Leg it.
>Allow game to flow from "Major NPC hands out quests" to "Player-driven crime spree ultimately ending in revolution"
>Challenge players, as they challenge you.
>Everything goes more awesomely than expected.

Fixed that for you.

>>18228707

speculations, he wasn't there.

>>18228735
The guy who threw the acid thought that the door was being kicked down by enemies. He interrupted Spoony's narration of the door opening with "I THROW A FLASK OF ACID AT THE DOOR!" and immediately rolled for it and scored a successful crit. The player was not being "LOL RANDUMB", he panicked and managed to hit Tempus in the face with fucking acid. Also, THE PLAYERS HAD FUN. That's literally the ONLY thing that matters.

>>18228735
>Hell, I can say with no false confidence that I'm certain I'm a better DM than he is.

Sounds awesome. Please upload some videos, we're always looking for cool stories.

>>18228669
>Ya know, sometimes you just work yourself into a corner.

You mean the corner that Spoony put them in with his stupid as fuck "plot twists"?

>>18228735
The demigod mary sue is essential to the story, and he was there to help the party. It wasn't spoony's fault that the fucking idiot threw acid at the first person to come through the doorr, and crit while he's at it.

>>18228770

"Plot twist"?

You must be new to roleplaying if you didn't see that coming a mile away.

>>18228770
Every other player was going "nooooooooooooo." They just had one guy who messed up.

>>18228735

>the fact that he included this shit in a party of people LOL RANDUM XD enough to throw acid in its face in the first place proves that he simply doesn't know the party.

Dude. The guy who fucking did it STILL FUCKING REGRETS IT AND SAYS HE REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.

DO YOU EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THIS? DO YOU JUST READ EVENTS WITH NO EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT? ARE YOU SOME KIND OF STUPID FUCKING ROLEPLAYING ROBOT?

"BEEP-BEEP. ACTION ILLOGICAL. CONSENSUS. LOL SO RANDUM XD PLAYERS."

Sorry about the caps lock but yea.

>Even if he's a passable DM, he doesn't strike me as a GOOD DM,

That... really depends on how you define a good DM.

>Hell, I can say with no false confidence that I'm certain I'm a better DM than he is.

WOOAAAA! Look at this tough guy! Man I'd love to play in a game with you. Going on about how you're so much better than other people online. You sound like a GREAT person to play with.

[that's SARCASM if you can't tell]

>>18228758
>making it sound like they knowingly threw Acid in the face of a major NPC

Why are you such a stupid fuckface?

The guy thought the door was being bashed down by enemies, because that's what the "DM" made it sound like. In the video he first said "guards", but he realized he hadn't even made a hint that it would be the guards who came through that door.

He lured the players into a trap after luring them into a trap.

And then instead of changing his story he fucked them even harder to punish them for beating his sadistic shit he calls DMing.

itt:
pony rpg fanbois vs hardcore PC's

no risk, no fun

>>18228809

Erm...

a) First roll initiative
b) Never interrupt the DM. Never.

>>18228775
Event happens like this.

>We just finished killing all the cultists! Quick! Loot the Room!
You hear a boots overhead, someone is coming down the stairs.
>Bar the door! Finish looting the room!
Pounding at the door. It's starting to splinter.
>Finish Looting then we escape through this secret exit!
As you put the last piece of gold into your sack, the door bows, then splinters open and-
>I THROW ACID AT THEIR FACE! (Before GM can say anything - roll-*crit*-confirm. Dance of joy -) 9 damage!
... And (MAJOR NPC WHO IS KINDA ON THEIR SIDE) walks into a flask of acid to the face. It also splashes some of the city guards near him.
>... Oh fuck. CHEESE IT! OUT THE SECRET PASSAGEWAY!

>>18228770

That's ROLEPLAYING you ass.

Actions have consequences. One guy fucked up, obviously, and Spoony responded in kind with his fuckup. How would YOU have handled a player panicking as he throws a bottle of acid in a powerful and plot-critical NPC's face?

And don't make any stupid assumptions like "OH THAT GUY WAS BEING AN LOL SO RANDUM DOUCHEBAG XD" one of the virtues of being a DM is how you can react to situations and build from them in kind.

>>18228825
Hi Noah.

Still justifying your bullshit on 4chan?

>>18228809

adapt or die

>>18228809
herp, derp, should have changed that line to
>player jumps the gun and throws acid in the face of a major NPC accidentally.

>>18228839

Why would an ally just barge in like that? Is he fucking Kramer?

If so, Kramer wouldn't throw a bitch fit if he was a demigod. He's just stutter back and slip & fall flailing his arms around.

>>18228809
>He lured the players into a trap after luring them into a trap.
no, he wanted it to be ambiguous, to be an actual fucking risk that you seem so averse to.
>And then instead of changing his story he fucked them even harder to punish them for beating his sadistic shit he calls DMing.
oh, you mean that part when they became rich as kings as a direct result of what happened and their constant outsmarting in character reactions from a plot critical NPC?
Oh sorry, you must have been talking about when they became the resistance leaders!
Wait I know, it was the part where they had the run of the city after the campaign!

>>18228852

I accidentally Kratos.

How fucked am I?

>>18228821
Wow. Dude. Slave to tables. Sometimes it's just more fun for everyone to let something like that happen. Because really, if you see a door being kicked in and are watching it, you could reasonably react before the people coming through the door even know where you are in the room. Sometimes, as a DM, you have to sidestep the rules to allow a believable set of actions that aren't technically covered under them.

>>18228809

>The guy thought the door was being bashed down by enemies, because that's what the "DM" made it sound like.

So a bit of poor communication and one guy accidentally doing something stupid means he's a bad DM?

And again: THE PLAYERS HAD *FUN* WITH HOW IT TURNED OUT. THEY TOOK A BAD SITUATION AND MADE GOOD ON IT AND HE IN TURN LIKED WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

Why are you so opposed to other people's fun?

>>18228842
>doing to Hi____ joke

seriously, not only is the jimmies sticky gone, but the HARMONY HARMONY song/background is gone too.
You can return home now.

>>18228842
>implying anyone who disagrees with you must be the person you are criticising
>implying Spoony isn't a Good DM because his DMing wouldn't satisfy you, even though the people he actually DMs for apparently enjoy it alot

STOP HAVING THE WRONG KIND OF FUN.

>>18228842
Not Noah, Not even OP. And defintiely not even mad.

>>18228863
>Sometimes, as a DM, you have to sidestep the rules to allow a believable set of actions that aren't technically covered under them.

This.

The great irony is that Spoony thinks he's this amazing out-of-the-box DM but then he sticks to the rules so fucking clinically it's like I'm really playing with a first timer.

>>18228853
confirmed for knee jerk faggot who didn't even watch the video.
it was a hard encounter and the intent was for him to come and help them out if they needed it, they just won the battle quick enough not to need the help.

>>18228881
And of course, as a reward for the party being awesome and planning something for hours, you fuck them up the ass with something they couldn't ever have predicted.

GREAT DMING GAISE.

>>18228881

They were the cavalry.

>>18228853

>Why would an ally just barge in like that?

Because a place where his men were disappearing and where he sent a bunch of random thieves to investigate was now filled with a whole bunch of sounds and he had to investigate, without knowing said PC's he'd hired were sent there?

Ya know. It helps to think about things rather than just jumping to the most asinine conclusions because they'll conveniently fit your own mould as to what a bad GM does.

>>18228879

By the rules... it would be 1d6 damage and a shrug.

>>18228908
Stop writing "Ya know" you stupid twat.

>>18228892

>you fuck them up the ass with something they couldn't ever have predicted.

Cause there's no was the super-powered demigod guy who hired you could've bothered to come by the place he told you to go investigate when you start wrecking the place up and causing a huge commotion.

... I'm sorry. What were you saying? It sounds like you were just ringing your mouth out without thinking about anything.

As for the Spoony getting kicked out of RPGA, as far as I understood the story, the party was at highest level, LEVEL THREE! OH NO, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REROLL AND PLAY A FEW WEEKS TO GET BACK TO LEVEL THREE

>>18228735
Dude as he explained in the video the acid was the one player getting too excited and throwing the acid before knowing who it was. They just survived a ton of hard fights by the skin of their teeth and had no idea what was coming through the door. And further he ONLY had it count because the fucker tolled a critical on the throw. He let it hit the guy because the rolls dictated despite that guys bs mary sue stats the acid hit. There was no lol randum in the acid, the odds were just as good from the player point of view they were more cultists, and one guy made a snap call in the heat of the moment.

If anything he just tries to be fair, with both the good and bad aspects of how dice rolls can go. the acid hit because it was a critical hit.

>>18228909
It's AD&D, where spikes shooting out of the wall could instantly kill a level 20 character if they stood too close, not 3.5 where they assigned damage to that sort of stuff.

>>18228916

Wow. Somebody's a bit butthurt they're losing this argument.

Ya know. You could just get out of the thread since you obviously don't give a shit about Spoony anyway, what does this argument mean to you?

>>18228909
Dude. Acid to the face. Strong acid. And Tempus Thales is literally the embodiment of the goddess of rape, murder, and war.
So go pour acid all over your face and see if it's "Just 1d6 damage and a shrug", then come back here. And again, Tempus has an insanely short temper. So it really doesn't matter if it would be "Just 1d6 damage", he sould not have let it go with a shrug.

>>18228892
>couldn't ever predicted
>letting people he barely knows go off fighting a threat that's fucking over the entire city he runs and not expecting him to help?
>not expecting the avatar of death to give help that would involve fucking people up
nice grasping at straws there.

>>18228944
>losing this argument

Someone's taking this thread far, far too seriously.

please make a vlog and tell some stories, we would love to compare your story with spoony's one

>>18228935

Thieves World is 3.5.

>>18228908
Ok, for the sake of argument I'll grant you that.

Why would a fucking DEMIGOD care about a little acid damage? He'd fucking brush it off and more likely than not forgive that accidental friendly fire, especially if it's not lethal and really small ( i doubt a demigod would have less than 150 HP)

>>18228631
The way I read it in Rogue Trader. It sounds like you can use your fate points to fudge rolls, and at the end of the session they refill to full the next session. The fatepoint is only permanently destroyed if they use it to skip out on dieing, and you can burn a point even if it's currently empty.

Wait wait wait wait.


having the PCs being killed for being stupid is bad now? I don't play DnD or any PnP, but isn't the DM supposed to make challenges for the players? You guys make it sound like making a hard game is wrong.

>>18228959

We're talking about some douche on the internet talking about roleplaying games.

Doesn't that mean posting in this thread by itself is taking it "too seriously"?

>>18228965
ACID!
TO THE FACEEE!

>>18228977
He literally repeated that phrase for 15 minutes. Stuck in a loop repeating himself.

Funny to watch his mind fall apart.

>>18228977
DEMIGOD

HALF MAN HALF GOD

>>18228909
>By the rules... it would be 1d6 damage and a shrug.

He thought about it by the rules... and then he thought about it with the psychology of the NPC that was hit in the face with the acid, and the way that character is written, and the way that character's patron is written. By the rules, he had over 300 hp and fast healing / immortality.

By the way he is written, his goddess gets pissy and yoinks most of his powers if he lets an insult go uncontested. Especially an insult like being hit and never returning the favor. They made a mary-sue mad enough that it started making mistakes.

In short: Screw the Rules! this is a plot development!

>>18228965

>Why would a fucking DEMIGOD care about a little acid damage?

Because if you READ THE STORY you would know the guy got a critical hit. Specifically mentioned a head-shot.

And the goddess the guy was the avatar of was SUPER PISSED that he let himself be humiliated as such, thus he wasn't getting his fucking healing back.

... make sense?

Oh no, he has a DM'ing style that's different from the one you prefer.

I prefer a DM who actively tries to kill me, stacking odds against me in such a way that it might even be considered unfair. But he does so because he knows I enjoy matching wits with a capable opponent who thinks like a PC and not the BBEG.

The latest 2 videos were a fucking AMAZING story for me because they're exactly the kind of games I like. They might have sounded like a fucking nightmare to someone who doesn't enjoy that style.

GOOD LORD, COULD IT BE THAT PEOPLE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DMs WITHOUT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH BEING ASSHATS?

>>18228770
WHAT plot twist? The npc gave them the quest and the one guy in the heat of the moment CHOSE to throw acid before the door fell down.

I swear it's like all the raging people here refuse to believe anyone has ever or will ever do something as a player that was not not the smartest course of action in the heat of the moment.

>>18228987
to teh face!
acid!
WHO DOES THAT!?

>>18228992
That leads to a killing? Wouldn't a larger humiliation be a better judgement?

>>18228965
>the guy's a bad DM for accurately portraying the NPC as he appears in the books!

the guy's a bad DM for sticking to the rules to much!>>18228879

the guy's a bad DM for disregarding the rules for the sake of immersion too much!>>18228965

>>18228965
did you watch the video at all?
it was about the humiliation of a god of war and rape

please stop trolling or being stupid

OP here.

I'm having a blast watching you argue.

I have never played a tabletop game in my entire life and don't even know what "2d6" means.

Toodles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb7ed3ueLk

Spoony seems like a tool to have at your game.

>>18228704
Finaly someone put here summary.
I lol'd when I watched the video.

>>18229012
He's the AVATAR of rape and a fucking demigod mary sue asshole. Wounded pride is exactly the sort of stuff that makes these people snap into killing fury.

>>18228987
Not actually a demigod. Tempus is a normal guy who was all of a sudden granted a whole bunch of insane powers by the goddess of rape, murder, and war. Powers she can revoke any time he pisses her off. He was also cursed so that he is incapable of "taking a woman in gentleness". Yes, he can regenerate from just about anything. Yes, he has a fuckload of AC and HP. But if he gets hit, it still hurts him as much as it would a mortal man. Acid to the face can fuck him up until it heals. And his goddess refused to heal him. The gods and godesses of Thieves' World are not good at all. They are all some shade of bitch/bastard. Especially her.

>>18229012

>Wouldn't a larger humiliation be a better judgement?

When you're the avatar of the god of fucking WAR AND RAPE I think murdering the people who slighted you is the option you're more likely to go for.

>>18229045

That changes a lot, he's not a demigod and shouldn't be called. He's basically a paladin/champion.


That, my dear friend, makes more sense.

>>18228704
>so he changed the loadout to sleep, charm person (I think) and ray of enfeeblement.
Ha, and this is what? At a group of first level PCs? In 3.5e? I kinda expect my DM to be aware of wizard supremacy and not think save or lose are the best things ever and appropriate for all situations ever.

He is a tool.

>>18229036
>Spoony: "STOP HAVING FUN YOU FUCKERS"

Pathetic.

>>18229036
He's defending an interesting plothook, Spoony just seems like a very passionate guy, the kind who gets a little too hot and bothered but apologies profoundly afterwards.

>>18229045
Honestly I don't really care as he's every bit the type of character I hate, those apathetic aloof super beings who are half dead inside and barely feel anything that creepy fangirls masterbate over. That's why I like the story and what spoony and the players did. That's a shithole world and I fully believe that god would be that mad he took acid (even a lucky crit as it was) from nobody losers he can easily kill. As well as she'd go so far as to rub his face int it by not healing the wound damaging his pride turning him to a madman. And Like smart players who knew there was no way in hell they could fight him, they picked at the wound they could hurt, his pride.

That and I love the wizard ambushes.

>>18228987
>HALF MAN HALF GOD

ALL ACID
ALL FACE!

>>18229081
Spoony seems like a socially broken, arrogant cunt who's best avoided. He's speaking over the DM about the DM's own game and screaming at people. Textbook That Guy.

>>18229036

Damn yo, errybody got their jimmies rustled.

>>18229067
no they weren't first level.
all we know about their level is that it wasn't first, and they all had sufficient HP to withstand 3 full dmg magic missiles and being in no danger of death at all.
that was what made the ecounter so laughable before he changed it.

>>18229081
>defending Spoony no matter the situation

Ahahahaha, so sad.

I hope for your sake you're Spoony.

>>18229067

Actually it sounded like 2e.

And apparently the clerics were kind of optimized. Either way, it felt more like he was given lemons and wound up making a slightly too potent lemonade. Then again, that's just Wizards and D&D in general.

Logically, it would've been best if the Wizard's just had a summon spell or something to send monsters or minions after the PC's as they tried to free the prisoner the PC's were escorting. But the module didn't say that, and by the time he announced what was going on and realized how little it made sense he was already caught up with making a more dangerous encounter.

>>18228415
>You're a bad DM if you kill your player's for no reason. And if you DM D&D encounters your not suppose to kill them, you're getting payed to make sure everyone has fun.

You, sir, are a fool.

>>18229067

>>18229093
it's a cherry pick of him getting particularly pissed.
remember, lot's of the hipsters he picked up on youtube got pissed when he dared change his style and went full retard so it's no surprise there's vids like this out there.
When you see the rest of his D&D games that got recorded he's very different.

>>18228992

Not only this, but Thieve's World was described as damage having actual meaning. Where a sword slash wasn't just (lose 6 HP) it was your character just got their chest cut open with a steel blade.

>>18229093
>Textbook That Guy.

Yep. And he bitches about "that guy" in his own vids.

>>18229096
From a first level wizard a magic missile does, max, 5 damage. So they could conceivably have been at level 2 or 3. Or just level 1 with bulk HP like a Barbarian. Or level 1 if Spoony is counting 0 to -10 as their 'HP'.

Though in actual fact, Sleep only effects 4 HD worth of creatures. So for three of the party to fall asleep, they *must* have been at first level or else Spoony wasn't adhering to the rules of the game.

>>18229103
Not really, more like being antagonistic for the mouthbreathing american rejects he's against, they all sound stupid, but bees are cool yo. Spoony takes it too far, but I bet he's ten times the nicer person than the rest of that trashy pile of Ameri-nerd.

>>18229127
Uh, *affects.

>>18229123
And healing left perminant (actual stat-effecting) scars. A leg wound could cost you 5' move speed, (if not an entire leg).

>>18229103

>Being butthurt about Spoony
>Posting rage in a /tg/ thread about Spoony DMing thread


Yeah I'd say your the more pathetic one anon...

>>18229127
Or, it was AD&D, where sleep didn't have the 4hd cap.

I'm a rep for the RPGA in the Mesa/Phoenix area of Arizona.

Noah was not kicked out for how he altered the games, or that characters died. H was kicked out because no other registered DM liked him, and no player who had ever played with him before was willing to play with him again.

He's been banned from regional RPGA events because he is an egotistical dick. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is the only D&D video guy I have halfway liked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRZ1CYYIsCg

>>18229127
>or else Spoony wasn't adhering to the rules of the game.
i'd go with this. Mainly since he stated he was trying to make an encounter of 3 first level wizards at all challenging.

>>18229137

>Demigod now permanently covered in scar tissue around his face
>Not noble warriors scars either, burn victim scars

Nope he wouldn't be mad one bit about this...

>>18229150
of course you are.

>>18229150

>i'm the rep for the RPGA

Sure you are. and I'm the head of the NFPA.

>>18229093

are you one of the players who got kicked out of spoonys group?

there is alot of hate just about a guy who posts vids about his gaming sessions?

or just seeking attention?

>>18229164
>a
not
>the

There about about 15 per region. I'm one of the ones for Norcal.

>>18229156
The problem is how he went about that belies a complete lack of understanding about the nature of the game. He decided three save or loses would be a good thing to put the party up against with no warning whatsoever. He adheres to the module rules where it suits him (you are suddenly jumped by Wizards) and decides to fuck over the players for uh, no reason whatsoever? It's really awful.

>>18229150
Never played DnD, but it does sound like this RPGA and it's fans are a bunch of fucking pussies. Why make a badass Barbarian if he's not going to be challenged?

Not defending him, but alot of people have mentioned the RPGA for being flowerchildren.

>>18229164
NRA guy.

We like Obama, he indirectly got people to buy more guns in a short period of time and more Americans with firearms leads to a better, safer America.

>>18229150

That's... quite the allegations you're making there.

Do you have any evidence?

>>18229166
That's just the impression I get from his videos. Sorry bro.

Also it's crazy the amount of people jumping in to defend him in this thread! I can't dislike the guy?

>>18229174
RPGA is really an advertisement.

This is how D&D can be, come once a week. have fun!

It's only challenging when the GMs fudge the rules.

This is because people don't like to loose at games. and people who don't like something don't buy it.

>>18229172
So, how would you have done it then? three boring wizards who die in a couple of hits?

God I am not trying to even defend spoony, it's just the alternative to what he did sounds so bloody boring.

>>18229150

yeah sure

I AM the president of the RPGA, you are fired!

>>18229172

>no reason whatsoever?

wasn't the reason to give them a challenge?

>>18229193
Sounds boring really. No wonder Spoony tried something new, though a Sleep and charm spell sounds a little hax.

>>18229174
Player character death in an RPGA even is not banned or even frowned upon, given the DM on hand can justify it as reasonable, or it was a simple event of the dice.

At the end of any session where a player character has died, that player can challenge the death. Each other player at the table then explains to the assigned rep the situation of the death and the assinged rep makes a call.

The results are:
1. Death was valid, in game resources are needed to raise him.
2. Death was mostly valid, free raise is awarded.
3. Death was invalid. Death is nullified, and that DM gets a demerit on his personal score card.

so he gets a flask of acid to the face, he's a demigod. he grabs whoever did it, wrestles him to the ground and gleefully redecorates that guys face with acid too.

You take 2d6 damage from acid and you're disfigured untill you get magicall healing.

That sounds a lot more fair to me, especially for a reasonably ( in character ) action from a PC.

>>18229203
ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLENGE!?

>>18229181

Well I dunno. Calling somebody a socially arrogant cunt doesn't make you sound like mr nice bro dude either.

All I'm saying is, if you're gonna get angry at someone for sounding like a dick try not to be one yourself.

You guys are talking about a much older video.
In the newest one, I think 2 of his PCs die during the climax of the campaign.

>>18229171

no I'm the only one

>>18229223
>setting in thieve's world.
>Magical Healing STILL leaves major scars.
>Players got a SIX MONTH campaign out of wounding an avatar's pride.

Seems a lot more fair to me.

>>18229223

Except they ran when they realized who did it... and I don't think that NPC would've just stopped there.

>>18229237

Why does everyone refer to the demi-god guy as a Mary-Sue? RPGs are going to have powerful NPCs in them. Sometimes an NPC has to be powerful to be accurate to who they are or their place in the story. The Arch-Magus who runs the magical academy is fuck all powerful because he's an Arch-Magus and has spent eons learning and honing his craft, not because he is the DM's self-insert "I'm so fucking awesome" DMPC faggotry. A character like that isn't going to be weak.
PCs aren't the only strong people in these universes people.

>>18229215
So if my character was beaten to death because my party was ill prepared for a wizard actually casting a dangerous spell, is that seen as unfair? I thought the DM is supposed to be the judge to these kinds of things?

>>18229215
>At the end of any session where a player character has died, that player can challenge the death.
>mfw
like he said, fucking pussies.

I like the part where you ignored that DMs are instructed to nerf encounters if the party fucks up.

>>18229194
I don't know, had them grease the party's area and Summon Monster? Mix up their stat arrays and have them be touch attack-based with Shocking Grasp? Given them Expeditious Retreat and slings and had them try to evade and pick off the party? Disguise Person, pose as someone injured, and then leap out with Burning Hands? The same but with Silent Image instead of a disguised wizard? Animate Rope? Obscuring Mist? Mount?

There are a lot of spells that aren't clearly going to probably eliminate the party with no chance for them to take any preventative action (other than pure luck of the die). Spoony chose not to use any of them.

>>18229150
Nice credentials there turbo.

Too bad for you I'm the national chairman of the RPGA, so i know thats bullshit.

See? I can claim i'm someone important on the internet too!

>>18229249
/tg/ - not using terms correctly since forever.

>>18229223
Again, in Thieves' World d20, damage is MUCH worse than in regular 3.x D&D. Getting hurt FUCKS. YOU. UP. In Thieves' World. My regular group have been playing it for about two sessions now (I was ridiculously pumped when I saw Spoony was doing a Counter Monkey on a game of it) and yeah, you can get crippled by a single leg wound. This ain't vanilla 3.x at all.

>>18229249
I think it's less the character in the game itself, and more a reference that the character get's the Sue treatment in the books and it's a derogatory nod to that.

>>18229249
The demi-god was a mary-sue character written into the setting by one of the many writers who make up the Thieve's world setting. We're calling him a Mary Sue because he's got major Mary-Sue traits.

>>18229181

no, fuck spoony

it's about two different views of DMing, pony style or eve online style, guiding players through without death and lots of rainbows or throwing them into a sandbox, with scorpions and landsharks

RELIGIOUS WAR

>>18229259

>grease the party's area

NO YOU MORON! THAT'D BE TPK CENTRAL AND YOU'D BE THE VERY DICK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADVOCATE AGAINST.

>>18229259
So instead of giving them useless magic missles.. you give them other useless spells that didn't do much either and would probably make the fight even more boring?

Do you know how fucking lame a "touch wizard" sounds?

>>18229266
I'll have you know, as Prince of the Moon, this argument has gone on far longer that the 1922 Eath/Moon accord allows as dictated by article 72c.
I request that you all disperse immediately, or prepare for an embargo of all Moon cheese!

>>18229295

"Touch wizard" was my nickname in high school.

>>18229295
You can be my touch wizard any day.

>>18229256
>I like the part where you ignored that DMs are instructed to nerf encounters if the party fucks up.
>DMs are instructed to nerf encounters if the party fucks up.

HAHA WUT? Thats pretty pathetic.
Aside from being one of the least deadly systems known to man (Provided you have a Druid, Cleric, Bard, or Paladin in the party, which you damn well should), D&D has resurrection mechanics that are only limited by the PC's ability to pay for it.

If a party of adventurers doesn't have an "emergency resurrection fund" going by about level 3 or 4, they're doing it wrong.

>>18229297
>Prince of the moon
Son, you still reading on your Terraboo website? I am dissapointed, no wonder that cute martian girl dumped you.

>>18229295
However lame a guy punching you in the face with an electric fist is.

>>18229285
Totally nowhere near as lethal. The odds are fairer and if the party fails and wizards close in for the kill, they aren't helpless and won't just be coup de grace'd.

>>18229249
Because he's something of a sue in the Thieves' World books.
And he's NOT a Demigod. See: >>18229045

>>18229297

By all means. The Pluto Confederacy Hive Mind eagerly awaits this export opportunity!
One cannot fathom the depths of joy our collective rhizomes quiver with.

>>18229297
And I'm Gabriel Angelos, your embargo is heretical and your stocks have been seized by the Blood Ravens.

>>18229317
>Wizard in a robe running at me with an electrical fist
>I am a fighter with a sword.
>I kill him because I actually have close combat training and the mental accumen for a melee

That wizard was the worst wizard ever.

>>18229314
I'll have you know that Earth has a rich and deeply interesting culture, not that I'd expect an old man like you to understand their intricacies of there finer arts.

>>>/b/

>>18229347
Thats it son, I am cutting down the space-Internet.

>>18229333
Except maybe a wizard doesn't have to be a dude in a robe with a staff and a beard. Maybe when I said:
>Mix up their stat arrays and have them be touch attack-based with Shocking Grasp?
What I actually meant was I would change up their stat arrays and feats to make them viable in close combat. Maybe this wizard doesn't look like Odin, but more like a Monk. Maybe if the class can do it, then it's an option at the table.

But - hey - you feel free to throw down Gandalf at the table and either 1) wank off when he uses OP spells to TPK your players or 2) bitch about how boring things are when he uses a spell that fits your narrow definition of 'wizardry'. Whatever you want man, it's your game.

>>18229317

>Totally nowhere near as lethal.

All I'm saying is: I get killed in my sleep or I keep on slipping for 3 rounds because of an extended trip attack, leaving me prone for various other attacks.

Either way, I'm gonna feel cheated by some person's logic.

So is Spoony actually in this thread or...?

>>18229333
>I am a fighter with a sword.
>metal sword
>probably metal armor
>in close combat with a guy harnessing electricity with his fists

>>18229366

Probably not. No.

>>18229369

>implying physics has a place in D&D
>implying you can't stab the wizard before he gets in range to connect
>implying his weak ass 10 volt shock will do more than make you twitch.

>>18229331
>Implying Gabriel Angelo isn't just Alpharius in disguise

>>18229356
>Change their stats, equipment, and loadout to make them threats in close combat
>AD&D Wizards 1d4 hp. no armor.
>Good in Close Combat.

...

>not just swapping their spell list to make them effective at being wizards. which they ALREADY. ARE.

>>18229380
Actually you do get an accuracy bonus against someone wearing metal armor with the spell.

>>18229383
>Implying the Blood Ravens aren't purple Ork Lootas in disguise

>>18229356
Yes, because all you need to do to make a wizard a viable melee combatant is mix up his stat array. You don't need base attack bonuses or decent hit dice or anything. What were we thinking.

Now, to be honest, a wizard can be a reliable melee combatant(with a bit of work). It just doesn't involve using touch spells.

>>18229403
Implying Orks aren't secretly a splinter faction of the Tyranid

Just curious, why are people saying this was an AD&D game? Isn't it an RPGA event you're all talking about?

Aside from the limited edition 1e reprint stuff, I wasn't aware the Wizards was doing actual AD&D material...

>>18229406
It involved buffs, and 3rd edition largely.
This was AD&D (from the sound of things).

>>18229419
True. Not an AD&D player, but without buffs/polymorphing, your wizard is fucked.

>>18229406
Okay, do you not understand the game? An Orc has something like 5 HP.

A Wizard with the heroic array can have 6. He's a Human so we can give him Toughness for 9 HP. It doesn't matter what he would develop like long term because he's here for an encounter. At level one he sure as shit can be a melee combatant just by changing the stat array and his feats/spells because the effects from everything as so insignificant at this point. His accuracy isn't particularly important because he's using touch attacks.

>>18229417
Between the Buyout and the release of 3e, Wizards did AD&D RPGA stuff.

So this all happened >12 years ago.

>>18229425
How would you justify Journeyman Lightning-Hands over there from an in-story perspective?

>>18229425
you seem to be forgetting about RPG immersion.
dunno about you but seeing CQB wizards blatantly designed to fuck with me now rather than being actual wizards would heavily shake me out of the game.

>>18229411
>implying Tyranids aren't just Gork and Mork getting bored and manifesting themselves in the physical world.

>>18229441
Also, it these are supposed to be low level wizards knowing a few basic spells, why are they designing themselves around punching things with lightning, like I said, they sound like terrible wizards.

Sleep charm and enfeeblement sound like something a wizard would use.

>>18229440
>>18229441
It's literally one of any number of different tacks he could have taken. It's not 'blatantly designed' to fuck with anyone, it's just a different kind of wizard. Shit, does literally every fucking wizard in your setting act exactly like Gandalf? These guys'd be Specialized Evokers for the extra spells so maybe there's some kind of specific evocation academy (which would produce gish NPCs, eventually) which teaches martial practices alongside spellcasting. Maybe these guys couldn't hack it at that academy and turned bandit. Given how many class combinations lead to a melee wizard it doesn't seem particularly jarring to me.

>>18229429
Oh thanks. I didn't realize this was a discussion of something that happened that long ago.

>>18229464
>>18229455
>>18229441
>>18229440
Also, fucking har har har at the assumption I'm going to be SO THERE'S THESE THREE WIZARDS as the DM, and yet you are the guys criticizing the immersion.

What? That story was fucking awesome. I'd love to have been in that game.

Also, what the fuck? He let them KILL AN IMMORTAL. How is that punishing players passive aggressively?

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>>18229490
>Tags: Thieve's World
>Thieve's

>>18229464
So which 1 spell would these combat wizards use?
remember, they only get one each.
sorry if nobodies mentioned it before but I'm inferring the assumption that they'll use multiple spells.
Sorry if i'm going full retard and overlooking something.

>>18229490
Oh, thank you! We surely cant allow such wonderful thread to be forgotten.

This thread moved much, much faster than is normal for /tg/. I'm inclined to believe some kind of Spoony Defense Force arrived at some point.

>>18229425
AD&D. 1d4 hp for a wizard MEANT 1d4 hp. no toughness. a 1st level wizard had 1-4 hp. Flatline.

Jumping out with magic missile was suicidal.

Spoony disliked the suicidal NPCs (they made no sense to him) and so he changed one thing about them: he gave them each a single different spell. a spell that made sense for a wizard to use in an ambush.

Sleep, Charm person, and ray of enfeeblement.

>>18229505
I'm just amazed to see a thread move this goddamn fast on /tg/ Even Strike Witches quest goes slower than this...

>>18229507
Nah, /tg/ just is butthurt because Spoony doesn't like 4chan.

>thread starts out as a thinly veiled troll about a polarizing internet personality
>200 posts later
>COMBAT WIZARDS

Only on /tg/...

Also, no icastfist.jpg? I am a little disapoint.

>>18229505
why not?
i'm not the guy you responded to, but I think it's a good thing that retards who think their version of DMing is the only one get their smackdown recorded.
As well as the fact that you're opinion cannot be wrong, but if you misrepresent the facts to try and make others agree with you, don't expect to be taken seriously.

I'm talking about the guy who thought spoony was pulling a rocks fall everybody dies not the combat wizard guy btw.

>>18229501
I already mentioned specialization, which is bonus spells. From the SRD we've got Touch of Fatigue and Chilling Touch and/or Shocking Grasp. They've got a floating feat so Improved Unarmed Strike would be a possibility, or anything else. Outside of core there will be more. Alternatively make them sorcerers for more.

As it turns out this is AD&D anyway though so point's moot.

>>18229554
I hovered over my ICASTFIST.jpg for a few seconds earlier, but didn't think muscle wizard was really needed here. The man has more important problems to deal with.

>>18229549
I hardly think that's likely.

>>18229256
>I like the part where you ignored that DMs are instructed to nerf encounters if the party fucks up.

They're not.

>>18229592
you're a bit late.

>>18229549
I don't think I've ever begrudged anyone for not liking this website. Depending on the board and thread you see, you can quite easily get the opinion that this might not be all that great a place.

OK, let's see if Spoony actually is here.

Highlander 2 was the best film ever made.
>nowweplaythewaitinggame.jpg

>>18229636
The man has a weak heart. How is he supposed to reply if you kill him?

>>18229425
You're using a damn lot of tweaking to make your wizard competitive, so I'll do the same to my fighter.

Oh, wait, I don't even need to. Shocking grasp does 1d6 damage at level 1. My fighter has, at the very least, ten HP. Your wizard can use it once, and he's down to acid splash for damage. He charges me with Shocking Grasp, dealing 3.5 damage on average, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say 6. I attack him back with a greatsword, dealing 7 damage on average, plus 3 from my 14 strength(unless I'm a competent fighter and have more than that), plus 2 from power attack. Interestingly, unless I roll 4 or less on 2d6, your wizard is dead in one hit. Meanwhile, this fighter, assuming he has 14 con and the wizard rolls average on his damage rolls, will deplete all the wizard's spells without dying

First off, he LEFT the RPGA (not an informal game) because the RPGA has a retarded policy on no player character death.

Second, where the hell did he say he actively punished/killed player characters? Maybe it's because I'm an old fart at this, but where I learned and cut my teeth, you make players suffer the consequences of their actions. That so alien a concept to you, OP?

>hating on spoony for the way he GMs

I have to admit, that's new.
If he's actually that bad as a GM I am kinda pissed.
I mean, for fucks sake, Spoony.

Still his Phantasmagoria, Swat4 and Ripper Lets Plays are fucking amazing.

>>18229661
What is your rage about? Fighters with greatswords will one-shot most potential enemies at level 1. This was one, off the top of my head build of many that you demanded more and more information about, so I volunteered it. What point were you looking to prove?

>>18229661
>people are still rguing about lvl 1 wizard vs fighter
>using 3.5 maths
>story took place in AD&D.

>>18229689
Having watched the newest countermonkey, I have the impression that he is a good GM. When they toppled his plans for the campaign, he didn't flip his shit, but turned it into a probably more awesome campaign, with satisfying results for the group.

I like his gaming stories and I'd totally play in one of his games. Then again, if his brother was playing, I'd probably stay out. I kind of have the feeling he'd be playing favorites with his brother in the game.

>>18229689
>If he's actually that bad as a GM
I hope you're using the term as a hypothetical and not as a conclusion from OP.
because that would mean you not only didn't read the thread, you also didn't watch the video OP is reffering to (though I doubt OP watched it either considering his bullshit).

The PC's are not your enemies.

The PC's are your ENTERTAINMENT.

And Spoony achieved this magnificently. He went on a lot about he was proud of them and how much they schemed. He even said they EARNED the right to kill off the biggest badass in Thieves World.

>>18229507!
One does not have to be a fan of Spoony to realize most of the points against his Thieves World game are absolutely fucking retarded.

I watched Spoony DM on LordKaT's stream.

He was a terrible DM. I've walked out on better for being to terrible to tolerate.

>>18229742
can you elaborate?
Sorry, it just sounds like a NO U at the moment.

>>18229742

I might be terribly wrong, but wasn't he a player there?

>>18229717
Sorry for making it that ambiguous...
What I meant is "If it's really true that he's that bad".
Currently watching the vlog (god it's long), but I kinda like spoony and I... well. The way he seems to behave in his Forum, I have to admit that I could see him go "I'm internetfamous, I do what I please" but on the other hand, he struck me as a guy that is pretty cool about his hobby.

>>18229742

Wasn't that the gaming group that was Yoko Ono'ed by Iron Liz?

>>18229929
Yoko Ono?

>>18229942
Holy shit, dude, how old are you? How can you not know who Yoko Ono is?

>>18229924
fair enough.
From his vlogs he does seem like a pretty good DM since he's very creative, he's got the storytelling/making flair and he doesn't fuck over his players for no reason.

The most I've seen him do is fuck utter morons over (like vegan steve) and even then he only handed him the tool of his own destruction and he did, after a while, intervene to stop the rampant gamebreaking in his shadowrun game.

>>18228853

Spoken like someone who never read TW. Spoony handled Thales and his reaction perfectly. You do not challenge the ego and rule of the avatar of the goddess of WAR AND RAPE.

>>18229929
Lewis wasn't helpful either. But his morafagging wasn't as bad as her furfagging.

>>18230028
"her"

HAHAHAHA OH MAN.

[nospoilerson/tg/]that is not a woman[/nospoilerson/t/g]

>>18229979
Uh ... 20 and european.

>>18230028

I only heard lightly about it. Can you tell more about it?

>>18230051
She was John Lennon's girlfriend and broke up the Beatles. I'm 23, American, and don't even listen to them. How have you never heard about her?

>>18229942

Widely regarded as the woman who split up the Beetles. THE MORE YOU KNOW.

>>18230063

You know when they say "Bros before hoes?"

She is the hoe.

So, wait. What's /tg/'s overall opinion of Spoony? I kind of like his game and movie reviews, never watched his RPG stuff though.

>>18230063
I guess I just never really exposed myself to the beatles and their history. Thanks for the info, though.

>>18230081
I sorta like him. He was shitty for the last 2 years, but I think he's been getting better over the last couple of months.

>>18230081
We're of mixed oppinion. Some of us appreciate his Counter Monkey Vids (tales from a game shop) some people think he's an asshole punative DM. Like when, after his players ran roughshod over his Shadowrun campaign armed only with squirtguns, he countered them with robotic dogs, and then guys who were *also* armed with squirt guns, and finally guys in rubber hazmat suits.

He's a reactive DM, and enjoys challenging his players for entertainment value.

>>18230117
>>18230081
counter monkey series is awesome and I think he has a new appreciation for his fanbase since his personal clusterfuck hit him and his content relfects it.
And the highlander reviews were pure awesome.
his early work is a bit hit and miss (granted heavy hits and near misses) and depending on your fanboy level you'll love or hate his FF reviews.
considering I think that FF8 is a springtime for hitler gambit that somehow worked out I fucking love him for them.

>>18230081
He's one of the better Internet personas. I agree with most of his views on videogames, his reviews are typically entertaining, and I like his tabletop talk. Out of the more popular guys on That Guy With The Glasses, he's probably the best, in my opinion.

If we're talking about all Internet personas, I'd have to say he's my third favorite to watch. First being Razorfist, but that's probably just because I'm a cynical metalhead, second being Total Biscuit and that's probably just because I'm both of those and an anglophile.

>>18230081

Yea. Some GM's can't really agree with his own style.

Mostly cause he doesn't seem like the kinda DM to look at a player blatantly being THAT GUY and just tell him to piss off, he'd rather raise the ante to become THAT GM as a means to challenge him.

Which I can definitely see being a problem, but it's something he at least seems to be aware of enough to pull back when he realizes he's gone too far.

Spoony takes an hour to something that would me 5mins.

He needs a tl;dr summary on his videos

>>18230299
And it wouldn't be half as interesting.

Granted, he repeats himself a bunch of times.

>>18230299

"So my party was working for a super-powerful, plot-dependent NPC in a licensed game, and they accidentally threw acid on his face after he was trying to save them from really hard fight they had just barely managed to complete. Ha ha!"

Yeah, that sounds so much better.

I would personally love to play a game with Spoony as the DM.

>>18229215
I'd get banned from there for saying "DM's word is law, I'm vetoing your veto. You, player? You're banned from the table for running off crying to your mummy like a fucking sissy."

If anyone at the table is equal to or greater in power than the DM, there is a major violation of the one of the most sacred rules of D&D going on.

>>18230476
I leave things to the dice, but unless a player was damn stupid I'd probably just leave them at -5 HP.

>>18230476
agreed.
I'm all for hearing players out, I mean who watches the watchers right? but after all is said and done a DM needs to be able to tell a player to man the fuck up and deal with it lest the slippery slope of the Door Matt DM start.

>>18230341
This may be. But when I'm not very interested in the first place, and "a quarter as interesting" saves me 59 minutes and 45 seconds...

>>18230542
>But when I'm not very interested in the first place
I suspect we may hve found the issue here....

God fucking damn it /tg/.

So easily trolled by obvious trolls. Everyone should be ashamed.

>>18230622
welcome to /tg/, enjoy your stay

>/tg/ stands for "Troll Grapplers"

>>18228367
>Then he tries to justify it by acting like it's totally normal to DM games that seek to kill players unfairly all the fucking time if he so much as not likes a person.

Lets get a few things straight. The GM runs the game. There is no unfair killing as he controls the script.

Considering the difficulty of GMing, they cannot be blamed for killing players. Its the best way to make the game difficult and interesting and in control. But also dissapointing stupid people who wish to railroad the story THEIR way.

>>18230650
I remember when /tg/ would take a troll thread and forget the original topic and make up a new topic that was much better.

>>18230685
did you even read the thread?
we ended up discussing CQB wizards and determining via a retard what constitutes railroading/that guy DMing.

>>18230685
We still do. It usually takes the OP to come back and do a samefag response in an attempt to get the discussion back on his trolltopic.

Only rarely does it really work.

>>18230124
He was also like 14 or 15 when he ran that game. So of course it was going to be shitty.

>since you obviously don't give a shit about Spoony anyway,

lol fanboy faggot

>>18230769

>>18230671
>Then he tries to justify it by acting like it's totally normal to DM games that seek to kill players unfairly all the fucking time if he so much as not likes a person.
So did Gary Gygax and most of /tg/ seems to worship his cock.

>>18231076
CAll me when this guy writes his own game system that becomes standardized in nerd culture.

Oh he won't?

Fuck yourself cock sucker.

Watched the video.

Sounded like both the players and the GM had fun.

What's the problem?

>>18230341
>>18230346
So it was a shitty story.

It certainly wasn't funny for being 50 minutes longer than needed.

>>18231214
considering this thread and the video comments, i'd say your opinion is in the minority.

>>18231214
It was a storytiem that started with the party getting mugged by the town guards, and ended with them murdering a immortal god-avatar and causing a bloody revolution.

>>18228367
Wow...

You must be one of those phaggots that as soon as things start looking even a little challenging rage quits

You are a phaggot
You should have an hearth disease
You should die

>>18228638
BAHAHAHA

I think you should watch the video again...

>Inb4 i just got trolled

Wait, you're not supposed to die in D&D encounters?

Time to play retard characters and ruin the fun for everyone :)

Are...
Are we turning into /v/?

I would be happy to have spoony DM for me, I don't think he was in the wrong.

Having wizard's zerg rush people is stupid.


Have you ever played with a wizard who zerg rushed people?

>>18233061
Yes, but he was a broodlord.

>>18232892
Nah, we're just having a fair discussion. if this was /v/, someone would have resorted to guro porn by now, and someone else would be yelling faggot over and over and over.

We're still remarkably civil. Polite even, to people we disagree with anonymously over the internet.

>>18233177
Broodlord summoners are the best summoners.

In case you guys are wondering, this is the major statline of the NPC in question.