I'd say a secondary book for the stuff. GM's Guide would probably cover it, yeah.

Did you get the link for the pastebin of the opener from the previous thread?

>>18929569

Nope.

>>18929660
Can't say I'm surprised, the thread was pretty busy when I posted it last night.

http://pastebin.com/Uz0QxnxP

I fixed "Elise" to "Elsie" despite very nearly forgetting to, and couldn't stop myself from capitalizing the skill ranks titles. There are dashed section breaks for subject shifts, and that's about it.

I'll take a second to explain this further: I would put all the core rules into one book. Everything you need to play the game would be in that one book.

But then there would be another book with rules and idea for making custom weapons, vehicles, Arms Forts, etc.

If I put that into the core rules, it would be the slightly striped down version, but it would be there. If I said 'fuck it' and made it a splat book, I would put the sort of custom awesome shit to make it WORTH spending the extra 20 bucks or so for the other rule book. In addition to that, I would add a lot of shit in like 'examples' and such.

Basically, it would be a book of resources. It would be like Shadowrun: rules you NEED are all right there in the main book, but then the splats would take one aspect of the game, and dedicate the entire book to fleshing it out, adding options, and making it better.

>>18929798
Seems reasonable to me.

Anywhat, I'm out, I've got some sort of mad plan to get up in time for the next MSQ thread.

One Idea as to make spears useful is that they give you a bonus against charging enemies. I don't know enough about AC to know if boosting works that way though.

>>18930319
Ha. and now I see that someone had a similar idea as I did, but posted it in the quest thread.

Spears should be EN weapons, like laser swords. They are harder to wield but have more range, more damage when applied properly.

>>18929465
You really did it you crazy Bastard, Lances, Lances every where

>>18930386

>But.... that doesn't make any sense. A Laser sword is like a giant plasma torch. if anything, pushing harder makes it cut WORSE.

>>18930386
A few other possibilities for them. Swords/knives are pretty limited to what ranges they occupy, I doubt we're going to see any ACs half-swording.

Spears changing the range would be easy, you can get really long thrusts where only one hand is on the end, medium range maneuvers with the hands around the middle bit and shorter stuff would be a bit awkward but still doable. Also every part of it is a weapon, you can still bash things in with bits that aren't the point.

A range advantage in melee could give you a higher chance of getting the first hit in and you could brace yourself for a charge much more effectively than a sword could.

Given the two handed grip and it's straight profile the damage from charges or falling on someone with the spear pointed towards them would hit with serious force.

If you stick wings on the spear end you could also use it to prevent an enemy from running through your spear though that might seriously stress the materials, not sure if it'd work.

They are also much more throwable than swords, though if you're in a situation where you're throwing it life isn't good.

Also ours needs a tassel at the spear end, they look cool and do serve some tactical purpose by making the it harder to see the haft behind the tip.

>>18930507

There is a major problem with this line of thought:

You are not flying a Gundam.

Your hands can't even clap if you wanted to, half the mobility is in the torso shifting and using the Core's weight, not articulated limbs. Because the more moving bits you have, the easier it is to break the fucking thing. If you're going to be having your shit slapped around constantly you need it to be durable.

>>18930507
This man has a good point.
Polearms are a total weapon. A true master spearman uses ALL of the weapon, blade, haft, and butt. Dirty tricks like sweeping an opponents legs out from under them with the butt end (or with the business end if it has wings, a hook, or anything else you could grab their ankle with) are par for the course. So in theory they could just sacrifice raw killing power for versatility. They may still not be as objectively "good" by game rules, but they'd probably be feasible enough to exist in setting (although they could be rather rare) and to make them worth using from both RP (character likes the flexibility, also polearms are usually used in fiction as the weapon of the intellectual, although this isn't really accurate to reality) and meta (options, options everywhere, and is cool) perspectives.

>>18930544
Oh.

Yeah spears don't really work so great in that context.

>>18930544
>>18930581
And this is why i was plugging Lances, and now we have lances, not the large bucket of telescoping ones like i had sugested but this will do AC-Guy, That'l do

>>18930631
I dunno about bucket 'o javelins/whatevers when we have perfectly good missiles.

Really the whole melee thing in general should be kinda iffy from a herp derp realism standpoint though so it's cool I guess.

>>18930578
Admittedly, achieving that level of mastery would really rely that your entire build focus around the spear and using it, so you'd gain a versatile weapon at the cost of personal versatility.
Okay yeah, thinking about that factor, spears really AREN'T all that viable for Armored Core style mecha.
Ah well.

>>18930657
I also suggested that they have a heat rod type effect though, so you skewer someone they explode you move on, you never really get within melee range, and frankly have you played an armored core game? if you speck for speed missiles couldn't touch you, just speed past or dodge last second, i mean sure they have power but fuck if you could hit more than half the time.

Ok, how about a pneumatic lance? A trigger on the end of the shaft triggers the pointy bit at the tip. Sort of a pressure triggered switch blade.

Or just have it be a heat rod lance. More range than vanilla HR; lighter, narrower rods (spikes?).

>>18930544
Hmm, given that they'd probably work best with fast chargers whose goal is to impale the other AC, preferably before they shoot you and to beat out the swords a bit in range so you hurt them before they hurt you. For something like this wings would be useful if the materials can take it. It means they're stuck on a pole if the hit doesn't take them out, if you continue to charge they can't go left or right without making the hole larger, pushing forward would not get them off it and if they head backwards you keep them on it by heading forward. I could see a Spear and Shotgun build being interesting though extremely specialized.

It might not be the most viable but I could see it working in some situations.

Also you have more room in the haft for stuff, extra heat rod charges if you go that route, maybe a pneumo-shock thingy that goes off after you stab them to blow them off of it. Discardable explosive tips that you leave inside whoever you stab and then go boom, though that might be expensive as hell.

Okay, so it turns out that lances rape in a charge.
That probably needs toned down a bit, but it proves they're not completely useless, just highly specialized.

>>18932271

Thing is, if it gets toned down much more, they're going to be useless.

Yeah the charge is a bit MUCH, but it was rolled absurdly well for, twice in a row..

You also have to consider that the charge is ALL THEY HAVE. Other weapons get some cool bonus shit to play with.

I'm thinking the lance that was in the thread today is going to be the lance equivalent to the Moonlight or the Karasawa and just keep it as is, and bring a toned down version in for you guys to play with.

>>18932298
Cool.
Should be fun.

>>18932298
Maybe add a chance that they can break from a charge?
if you get a bad hit or some such, to stop you from charging over and over and over until there's nothing left to charge.

>>18932322
And maybe make them more likely to break against opponents with heavy armor.
So for example, charging Aris BOOMFORTHEBOOMGOD rig would be more likely to break your lance than charging an assassin build.

Why not make them explosive tipped? With a normal melee weapon you're just injuring the part you hit. Charge with a Lance and leave behind a present so that you get the initial damage and a large after effect

>>18932810
That would make it a one-shot weapon, though, no?

>>18932835
Not necessarily; you probably can't put too much explosives into the hit, but it really turns up the threat factor of any single hit. You'd still have to penetrate pretty much straight on, so it's riskier but with greater reward. Just thinking of a way to make them worthwhile

I was wondering, AC-Guy, why you decided to have the damage ratings as d8-2, for example instead of just 2d8. Is it so the potential d8/2 fits the system better?

>>18935395

Actually, There's a pretty simple reason for that: the DR isn't 2d8, it's d8-2.

That's more of an answer than it sounds like. The DR is still d8, the '-2' is a modifier. Effectively what it's doing is halving the threshold, so instead of getting a bonus damage die with 10 under, you're getting it at five (And so on). Theoretically, having a weapon feat that doubled damage would affect the DR directly, instead of the modifier. So say, with certain feats/traits a weapon with a DR of d8, could be a 2d8 or a d12 or whatever.

So while it doesn't LOOK like there's any difference between a d12-4, 2d12-2 and a 3d12-1.5, there actually is a mathematical difference if you sit down and run numbers.

It's actually simpler than it looks, I'm just avoided going into the details because it both looks confusing at first glance, and because I haven't actually made the rules for that bit yet.

I gotta be honest, I keep reading the "-X" as a minus, rather than a rating mod. I know you're using it a mod, but the hyphen keeps reading as a minus symbol.

>>18937188

I can see why that would be an issue, but it actually scans better as d8-2 than d8x2, d8:2 or d8*2. Plus those can also fuck with reading to to double meanings, or in the case of the ':' being overlooked entirely, and having somebody request a d82.

rolled 56 = 56

>>18937188
>d82
I like it. Let's do it.

I'm certainly not saying don't use the -, just, yeah. How about a bullet, for DR8•2? It's at least as noticeable as the - and doesn't have potential for being a minus.

I really, really hope that we don't get a lance for Alex. The lance was nice for Liz, but that was most likely a fluke, not to mention that I like Alex as a midrange specialist. I also feel like the lance is gonna get us killed because if we fuck up a charge, that will leave us open for a person who didn't go full retard and had a sword.

>>18937305

I might consider that, if I could get this fucking keyboard to type one. I'm pretty sure the alt/fn keys are broken.

Personally, I like it the way it is. If it becomes and issue, I'll look into changing it.

>>18937382
Sure. Just throwing ideas out. If you happen to use something I propose, great, if not, whatever.

Three hour bump.

That's far enough, thread.

So I guess with the inclusion of lances, I'm more or less taking requests.

Is there anything in the final product of the game you guys would like to see? Core rules or maybe splat book territory, I'll let you know if it gets to crazy.

But shit that you guys want, that I can make fit? I'd love to hear some ideas.

>>18941324
Guns that shoot smaller guns that fire deep-fried beer cans

>>18941865

You funny guy.

I kill you last.

>>18941324
Guns that shoot smaller guns that fire deep-fried beer cans.
You Know You WaaaaNnnnaaaaa

>>18941865
hey captcha fuck you, you told me that it didn't work the first time so i went and got the pick

>>18941324
So, I heard Armored Core games are pretty dark. What's with the pancakes and stupid sexy anime-esque plots? I don't mind, it's just kind of weird. I mean, shits happened. But I thought, you know, it would be more intense.

>>18941324

Auxiliary boosters that take up what would have been weapons slots.
I need to recreate all of my GOTTAGOFAST dual bladers.

>>18941987

Just under 10,000 people died within the first three threads.

Alex is using core scale monies to try and support an entire refugee camp, with people trying not to starve.

Liz watched two close friends of hers die in the last thread.

The silly is THE CHARACTERS trying to distract themselves from all the horrible shit that's already happened. There's some pretty obvious signs of mental trauma and shit if you pay attention to what they're doing and their interactions with each other.

But don't worry. Chapter three of the quest storyline is going to have plenty of horrible revelations in it.

>>18941898
How about a gun that shoots lances?

>>18942092

That's called a Harpoon Gun.

And Mooch has already tried that.

>>18941992

I could try and work something like that in, but there's a fine line between 'sudo realism' and 'Gundam bullshit'.

At a certain point, extra thrusters on a melee only build will cross that line.

>>18942143

I'm just after stuff like the AC:LR PEGASUS boosters, that would give you stupid amounts of acceleration or speed, but also drained stupid amounts of energy.

Although yeah, those boosters were kinda Gundam bullshit, since the acceleration they provided turned you into a bullet-dodging ninja of death.

Suppose I have a suggestion. The simplest of melee weapons, blunt objects! Heavier than other melee weapons, but damn can they smack around cores if they aren't careful. Can come in several flavors such as normal, spiked, electrified, anything else that may be thought up of, so on and so forth.

Can range from hammers, to simple clubs, to maces, to morning stars, etc. I'd imagine that the more expensive and dangerous ones would be the electrified ones, as in ones that have a built up charge that is released when it smashes into another core. Dangerous in that it can release its charge in anything metal however, so watch where you swing it. More typical ones would just be normal. Thick enough that it probably won't need a force sheath, heavy enough that you probably won't see a light mech prance around with one, and very effective in really just wrecking anything inside of whatever you're hitting.

Only thing is, I don't see this as an energy weapon. Closest you could get would be the electrified ones, which are dangerous to tote around if you don't know what you're doing.

So I'm thinking giant Rocket Fists with an internal chain for retraction

Any chance of wacky stuff like Exceed Orbit Cores or deployable autoturrets?

Stuff that'll let your single AC be firing from everywhere at once?

>>18942391

Laurie has already used deployed turrets.

>>18942218
>>18942310

There is the rocket flail Laurie has been using. Not sure how much further down that road I want to go.

Technically, the Cores can use themselves as a far more effective bludgeoning weapon than anything they could carry.

>>18942310
We could use them to make ranged Grapple checks, and drag bitches back to us kicking and screaming

>>18942493
or we could, you know, just shoot them.

I have a request: stop taking requests, seriously. Or at least not open-board requests like these with no real limits. You should be open to new ideas and criticism, but there's always a point where you should stop and do what you wanted, and I think this demonstrates exactly why.

Or, if you won't listen to that and want an actual request, I'd like mechanics for the Boost Charge attack from ACV. Polite sage as protest.

>>18942512
so far 9/10 when we shoot some one we shoot there reactor and then they go nuclear, how the fuck are we supposed to get extra parts or capture opponents to extract Intel if everything we touch explodes in glorious fireballs

>>18942486
Sonic weapons perhaps then? Effective against sensors that rely on sound, although admit-ably not much else than that.

Rail Weapons? Weapons that use magnetic forces to propel ammunition?

Depleted Uranium Rounds? Sure to fuck something up, although probably illegal in the arena.

Weapons capable of being mounted into things other than arms and shoulders? Like as in Battletech, with a missile pod being worked into the body, or weapons built into certain parts. Could just have a generalized slot in the body/leg/arm/head part that can house specific weapons, most likely only secondary unless heavy, missile specific slots and so forth.

Using viruses to attack other cores through specialized radars, physical links, or something akin?

>>18942598
well if you dont like choices and options then why join a quest? why not read a book, the author has already made all the decisions for you, or if you want some one to give you limited pre-written choices for absolutely everything there are book types called chose your own adventure books

>>18941324
Also I'm thinking proper rules/charts for faction bonuses and rank stuff for the different Companies and Organizations Like those Librarians, or Orders like Paladins/Knights with mechs, like Independent wealthy people who've decided to fund the old orders in this new world like the Freemasons ect. ect. ect

A couple Arms Forts in the main book (to act as the Tarrasque-level enemy) would be totally killer.

>>18942598
Hear that OP, we shouldn't make choices in a quest, we might have to suffer from *gasp* consequences! God forbid we play a collective game! Perish the thought.

>>18942598

Oh, I have a cut off point for 'too silly'.

But at the same time there's a lot of potentially awesome ideas out there to play with that I haven't been exposed to.

Even if I find that I absolutely hate an idea, and say so, being exposed to it might spark an idea of my own that better fits what I'm going for.

Also, I like to boost charge. It's already been used a couple of times, and certain weapons, like the lance, will exploit it to make a bigger attack.

>>18942767

I already was planning to put something like that in. Cool to know that we're on the same page there as far as wants.

>>18942905

I was planning on it. Plus rules to make your own, either in a splat or in the core.

>>18942988
so was there any kind of ideas that you where looking for or shall i continue spew forth what ever pops into my head?

>>18943055

Just go crazy. I'll let you know if you go too crazy.

Are you going to be including hover-legs?
That's something I don't recall seeing in the quest.

>>18943134

Uh.... technically you're mostly hovering, with the boosters and all.

Do you mean like the hover-tank thing from the earlier games?

>>18943087
Will you be including The "Nexts" style models with primal armor and all that in you book? or do you think that dances to close to copy-writed materials?

>>18943172
Yeah, the hover legs that turned your AC into a super-maneuverable floaty thing with absolutely no armor.
Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYdDNvaqAOM

>>18943087
The giant back mounted thrusters, you need those things

>>18943292

I'll be putting shields in as standard shit. It won't be 'primal armor', but it won't be primal armor in the same way this guy isn't Char Aznable.

That said, my 'NEXT' core are different. I think I put the details in the second crunch thread.

>>18943544

So of course Captcha deletes my pic.

>>18943544
speaking of shields, are there any normal shields that a mech can equip? I'd imagine something like that would be useful for a melee build.

>>18943593

Like a metal shield shield? I... honestly haven't considered that. Given that it's just going to be a giant piece of dumb-plate with a handle, I don't see why it COULDN'T exist...

Let me get back to you on that.

>>18943593

They has solid metal shields as a left-arm part in Last Raven, IIRC.

>>18943544
basically you said that they were experimental and that the companies were fighting over what the stranded parts would be

New thread: >>18943771

>>18943768

Basically that means they have a slightly higher base-line, some really weird abilities, and no customization options, since every-bodies making their crazy experimental tech in complete isolation from each other.

>>18943828
Alright, well as long as i can recreate my over the top 2,000kmph melee monster

>>18943953

You want a core that can fly around at Mach 2?

What?

>>18943983
in Ac4a, with the overdrive boost i clocked nearly 2,000kmph in a melee charge against whiteglint

>>18944020
Do Cores even have the appropriate seats to keep you from damaging your own skeletal structure and blacking out at those speeds?

>>18944020
I have no clue bro but it was a glorious one hit kill all the same

>>18944187
shoot i forgot to re add my name posting else where

>>18942598
I was going to say a rude thing to you, but then I acknowledged that that was not necessary. So I'm not.

Have nice day.

I'mma say this here, 'cause it needs a bump if it's gonna live, I don't think the money was moved two years ago, more that the timestamps and such were faked.

>>18929465
I can do stories.

For shits and giggles.
that should keep it up.

>>18947314

Nah. Let's keep it on topic.

>>18947320
You realise keeping on topic and keeping it ALIVE for 12 hours is going to be a massive cunt right?

So if we use all the parts for just one company or model series would we get a function and efficiency bonus?

>>18947330
Hasn't been usually. Just a bump whenever someone notices it hits Page 10+.

>>18947334
>>18947320
I kinda wish AC-Guy let me onto the project.
That way I could do Crunch thread when he goes offline.

I keep asking for him to put me on it, but naturally he just goes "I'll think about it"
thats what happens when your the server guy in the company.

Which I actually had some work to do for it. besides making a internet site that I cant do. Due to not having my own computer issues.

>>18947330
Doesn't have to be ACTIVE to be kept alive. I've done it over the course of a single day on my own.

>>18947348
well i have some experience in website programming in HTML5, but im not about to throw my self under the bus and offer to help, and AC-Bro said he'd be around here somewhere so i just guess i'll have to wait and see what he says

>>18947334

Possibly. It stands to reason that some manufacturers would have built them to work well together.

>>18947348

Uh, Mooch? Even if I was going to bring you in on this, I would need like twelve hours to bring you up to speed on everything. I'd prefer to keep it to myself until I had a solid base to work with, which would be alpha/beta territory. Until then, more people would just be in the way.

>>18947362

You're an experienced programmer? Huh. I might want to talk to you about an unrelated thing in the future if you're interested.

I was also wondering about armor, like what exactly are the stats that go into it? like Durability and hardness, are you counting these as separate things or are they being lumped into one big old health bar style stat

>>18947379
And you keeping it to yourself is just gonna slow it down.

But whatev's

i'll just work on my books.
ClericMan wants to read em..

AND OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW!

>>18947379
not a tonne but enough to do most of the basic stuff, and not have it explode in my face at a later date. website skeletons and the such really

>>18947401

Actually no. The rough draft shit is actually faster and easier to fly solo on. Trying to bring in other people would be counterproductive.

>>18947402

Better than most of the people I have access to. Currently my 'best' are me, who's limited programming experience covers everything BUT websites, and Mooch who, well, doesn't have reliable access to a computer ATM.

>>18947413
Which pisses me off to a great deal by the way.
but theres good reason why.

>>18947433
Did the Ghost of Steve Jobs kill your computer too?

>>18947445
My mom with an axe did.

so no.

>>18943650
ACV featured asymmetrical supplementary armor as well as a massive shield on the knee meant for protection while engaged in sniper activities or other such actions requiring standing still.

Though that system was meant more for smaller ACs due to the smaller arms fire and lack of missile capabilites

>>18947454
Was she possessed by the ghost of Steve Jobs?

>>18947479
....as far as I know...

maybe.
She put an axe through my Xbox too.

that was like a month earlier though.
Im starting to see a pattern here.

Aight im outta here guys.

I gotta get up in five hours.

>>18947486
Man, what.

>>18947486
Maybe you should stop leaving them on the splitting block?

>sage to avoid hitting bump-limit

>>18949318
It… it doesn't work like that. The system looks at the number of posts in a thread, not howmany times it's been bumped by posts. Regardless, we're barely a third of the way to the 300 post "limit." It's not gonna hit autosage any time soon.

I mean, unless a butthurt mod toggles that toggle, but I can't really see that happening.

Was that cartoon a reference to Zeonquest?

>>18950348

Yeah, pretty much.

I thought it would be funny, and it wasn't some huge canon warping thing so...

Here I thought it was just general Gundam shenanigans. What I get for never following Zeon Quest, I guess.

>>18952072

It was pretty good. I mean, it'd be a bit of a read to try and catch up, and probably isn't worth it just to get a couple of side jokes in the quest.

But if you have a few hours to kill? It's pretty good.

In other semi-related things, I gave in and got a copy of AC4 off amazon. Now to find some time to play it.

derp derp bump

so is there an AC-Quest up yet cause i cant find one

>>18957534
As a matter of fact, yes.

>>18956423

Liz has been accused of treason!

>>18957534

Yes. Sorry, forgot to post the link: >>18956423

>>18957549
Or betraying the Pack, or something. Words are hard.

oh god what are we doing people

Well, that could have gone worse. Maybe? Not that it went badly.

>>18962183
I'm not even sure what I was saying, there.

Is it Disorder units? I bet it's Disorder units. Yes, I realize we're not on Mars.

>>18964447
What?

>>18966257
Armored Core 2. And they appeared on Earth in AC2 Another Age, so there's precedent.

>>18964447

>Actually, you've already met something like that.

>And it wasn't like the guys in Alaska.

Page 10, already? Goodness, what ARE you doing, thread?

So, anybody got anything for me? Questions, comments?

Hell, I'll do it based on the quest threads themselves as long as it's not spoilers territory.

Is Liz moving to Arizona?

>>18969656

That's player choice territory.

Speaking of players: >>18970219

Derp derp I'mma herp

>>18941987
^------------ too much 40k in your bloodstream

>>18972503
I don't know, he has kind of a point. At the very least, the typical story presentation for an Armored Core game completely eschews the use of human figures and faces - sure, you could argue they're just being lazy, but looking at other From games in the same vein (Metal Wolf Chaos, Another Century's Episode) and especially the story advancements of Last Raven, 4, and For Answer, all of which had identifiable characters (relatively speaking), it's clearly a deliberate decision.

Mind you, the official Armored Core manga, Tower City Blade, has plenty of human-focused elements, as does the cancelled OVA and that light novel which formed the basis of some of the PSP remake exclusive parts. Still, this isn't the kind of story From would tell, and to be honest I'm starting to feel like the action and plot is getting a bit too infrequent compared to our character moments.

I mean, I *like* our characters, I like having a team and people we can rely on, but sometimes it gets to be too much, you know? Hopefully AC-Guy's promised plot revelations will change things up a bit and bring back the darkness and intensity of the early moments of the quest.

>>18972584

I prefer a different method of storytelling. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised how much the character aspects have taken center stage.

There are several good reasons to let you get to know the characters: Firstly something that always bugged me about AC is that in more than a few games they don't really bother to explain some shit. Like why we should hate that guy, or why Josh just attacked our Colony in a huge-ass super core. Secondly, remember those two friends of Liz's that died before they got any face time? People cared more about losing that fucking spear. Contrast this to how people would react if, say, Dave got gibbed. It's the Joss Wedon school of character development: Let them like the character before you give them the pointless horrible death.

>>18972645
>>18972584


I fully intend to put more action in, but some stuff is easier/better outside the core. As much as I rag on it for the stupid shit that's been going on lately, I really like how Gundam goes and shows the characters and their relation to giant robots in the warzone. It's not just constant mech battles, it's also people fighting on foot, sometimes in the shadow of these monsters, and political drama and the cut to the little girl crying because Daddy isn't going to be coming home.

That said, this Quest is basically structured in the form of a classic play (In terms of action and such, since you guys have a lot of freedom over how the story goes) in that there's three acts: Act 1 sets the scene, builds the world, introduces the characters, and the main conflict for the piece comes up towards the end. Act 2 is the conflict, and how people react to it. It's the real MEAT of it, and generally comprises between half and two thirds of the story. Then Act 3 Climaxes, resolves the conflict, and returns the place to an equilibrium.

You guys are most of the way through act one. When it hits act two I'm going to probably do something new in every thread, even if it's going to probably be spaced out a bit more that every day.

>>18972645
But, just to be clear, you WILL be giving them pointless, horrible death.

>>18972652

Maybe? I don't like killing people for no reason.

Dice fuck them? Fine.

Appropriately dramatic moment? Sure.

Random truck taking out the love interest for no reason? NOPE.

If I play with the Grim Reaper too much it loses it's impact. On the other hand, not enough bad things happening would make you feel safe and complacent.

It's a fine line to walk really.

>>18972568
>Also, you should totally post whatever insane theories you've come up with in the crunch thread.

The creepy voices are either some form of Editors or other employees of the G-Man who are working to make sure that the events in the quest do not unfold in such a way to allow Strayed to become the SS-Ranked Alpha-Omega BBEG he becomes at the end of the Old King route in Armored Core 4A. That being the one where he kills all the Arms Forts, all the people in the Cradles, and then everyone else, after taking down 5 top ranked NEXT pilots at once, practically by himself. The catch is, Strayed has to be active during these events, so they cannot kill, or detain and mimic him, and thus must let him roam freely. The forces at work against him are agents of a Rogue Editor taken by The Grim, who are looking to make the world be consumed by rampant Kojima contamination and Corporate rule. Their[The Grims] current midterm goal is the destruction of "Free" colonies like Hope, and kicking off the National Dismantlement War.

I S Ranked that last mission in 4A, by the way. Assault Armor Jousting is fun AND effective, more so with stable perma-Overboost.

>>18972688

>Editors

OH HELL NO. I'm not playing with that shit in this quest. Maybe a DIFFERENT quest, but not this one.

I know, for a fact, that if we go down this road it will end in Gundam. I am not going to let this go anywhere near Gundam.

>>18972645
>Josh just attacked our Colony in a huge-ass super core
To be fair, that's just Ubisoft butchering the story to cut costs.

>>18972716
Sega did 4, not Ubisoft. Though more details on this would be nice.

>>18972716

Partly, yeah.

Thing is though, From has this habit of putting info like that in the background to be implied, rather than put the spotlight on it.

Like the plot is an Easter Egg to be uncovered between the various action scenes.

In a completely narrative based interactive format, I don't really have that option.

>>18972702
Don't worry, I'll give my editors/players some special extra-short leashes that I'll yank. I'm taking notes from your quest.

>>18972726
publisher/importer/localizer != developer

>>18972702
Just because Editors are involved does not mean it's a Crossover Event. The two happen a lot at the same time, but it's not a 100% ratio. This could be a looting world that is having a "Change in management" so to speak, that needs to be kept something other than a radioactive ball of dust and metal corpses, canon radioactive ball of dust and metal corpses or not, since there are other possible routes. And the "voices" are pretty damn Meta so far, so even if you shout and scream denials, I can't help but still think they are Meta in some way.

Continued, MC is working to keep the survivors of Hope alive, and thus keep the hope of freedom from Corporate Rule alive in people across the country, nay, the world. He is doing this fairly well, so far. FeMC, on the other hand, is stuck in a mire of politics that will very easily lead to an international incident. Canada or whoever already poked at taking over Alaska, and now FeMC has taken valuable defense assets away from Alaska and into Canada to hunt down the international conspirators. This incident can easily destroy what little peace there is between nations, and usher in the National Dismantlement war. The Editors, or otherwise Meta employees of the G-Man, are displeased that she took this route due to the sheer volatility of her new political situation. Discretion is highly advised for her, as I doubt Hope II, as it is, could survive the National Dismantlement War any longer than a snowball would stay unmelted in Hell.

>>18972741
>>18972744

...Do I want to know why your name is a Giant set of man-tits?

>>18972726
Whoops got them mixed up.

In the japanese version it's implied that Omer forced him to attack Anatolia for whatever reason.
That's what I heard.

>>18972757

>Voices
>Meta

When/if that particular plot twist rolls around, I want you to take a picture of your face.

I want to SEE that reaction when you discover how wrong you are.

>>18972774

Also supported by the fact that on Hard mode after you kill Josh one of Omer's aces shows up and pretty much says that since the roundabout discreet method failed, they'd have to do it the direct way.

>>18972760

"Do you want to gain Editor powers? Happiness is just a contract away!"

>>18972776
Hey, you asked for crazy batshit theories, you got some crazy batshit theory! What more do you want, room-service to jerk you off and fluff your pillow?

I mean, sure, I could be more mundane and have it be faulty Layered AI's that gained human levels of sapience and are trying to steer humanity towards good through faulty logic and SCIENCE!, but that's just so Armored Core 3.

>>18972804

What the hell is that thing?

Nothing that cute is aligned with the forces of good.

>>18972804
>>18972760
Great now every time i see that face I'll see man tits..........

>>18972818
It's from Madoka Magica, aka grimdark Magical Girls, the Depressing.

>>18972786
Having seen some translated scripts of Project Phantasma and a few English opening cutscenes from the Japanese versions, I can tell you that most AC localizations don't actually remove shit for that kind of reason. PP's script was basically identical.

The usual problem is when plot elements are added or changed, which really only happened with Agetec to my memory. The first one was the 'Nine-Ball' boss from Armored Core Nexus, which was really just a Pulverizer as would be seen in Last Raven.

The second, and MUCH worse change, was in the opening narration for Silent Line. In the Japanese version, it is explicitly stated that the corporations have already discovered Another Layered, whereas in the new opening Another Layered isn't mentioned at all and you only find out about it fairly late into the game.

...thing IS, that opening cutscene was ALREADY IN ENGLISH. Proper, grammatical English. So Agetec actually SPENT MORE MONEY to fuck up the plot of the game.

This isn't well-known, I only know it because I was experimenting with a Japanese ISO of Silent Line Portable. I assume the fandom doesn't know, doesn't have anyone who speaks Japanese to check, and/or doesn't give a shit. They seem to be getting more organized, though, given some new info on the AC Wikia and some art assets too.

>>18972818

>>18972827
IT BEGINS, ONCE MORE.

Editors like to run wild. Or rather, the players in that sort of quest.

I will rectify this problem immediately.

>>18972886
Hey, Kyuubey, question. Is it true that Reality Emitters and Disruptor Rifles are powered by the tears of Magical Girls, harvested the very moment before they [tijihasnospoilers]fall to despair and turn into Witches?

>>18972926
Hahahaha.

>>18972818
Here. Have a less cute version.

>>18975011
I wish I could hide posts on my phone now.

Questions... questions... Damnit, I still got nothin'.

Not so much a crunch, as a quest related question here.

We still have that memory stone thing, right? Did we ever ask our Mom what it is? Because when I read last night that we went into a coma and started sleep-walking, I got reminded about that mind-fuck beam we were supposedly shot with.

I can't make it to quest threads, so could someone /please/ bring this up tonight?

Hey, so, just wanted to say AC-Guy, beeen reading through the archives over the past week, and I LOVE this quest. Thank you so much for running this, and I'm super excited for you getting your business off the ground and ready and whatnot. Can't wait to see this become an actual system.

>>18978996

Yes, you still have it. As far as you know, it hasn't come off since you got it.

>>18980992

Glad you like. Unfortunately the company/system is going to take a bit, optimistically it would be ready to go by Christmas.

Optimistically. In actuality it'd probably see a February-May release next year. But hey, cross your fingers. Maybe I'll get a good enough team to help get the project through the Alpha/Beta stages faster than anticipated.

One thing that I always though of was why you never see much in the way of EMP devices used. I mean if you could fry at least some of the systems in a mech that would give you a good advantage, like in AC5 jammers, but something that would either stick, or permanently damage them.

>>18982287

I don't know about Canon 'Core, but in my thing they're heavily shielded from radiation and such as a side effect of keeping a small nuclear reactor running and stable.

So because of that they've become mostly immune to an EMP. Running enough raw voltage into a core will still fuck it up pretty good though, like that lightning shotgun that guy who tried to take out Mooch had.

Oh hey, new thread: >>18982371

Oooh, I just found a question.

So, if Chicago merged with Detroit, what about the insect spirits? Did they infest Detroit, too?

>>18984219

...Insect spirits?

There be no magic in this setting mon.

>>18984258
Yeah, I'm just being goofy. Coincidentally the thread was down to page 11.

Okay, so, crazy theories: The Brother and Sister are part of a secret clandestine organization, who know that the aliens are coming and are here to guide certain pilots so that they are ready to fight said aliens when the time comes.

It's the ONLY logical explanation.

>>18986944
I'm sure it's not the ONLY logical reason.

Also: To hell with logic!

>>18988606
What do you think then?

>>18988649
About the Mystery Siblings? Not a clue. Just saying that with the little we know, it is wholly possible for it to be something else.

>>18990878
You mean... oh my human God! THEY could be the Aliens!!!

>>18990999
There could be more than one group of aliens.

>>18993473
Mind=blown

>>18993553
I no rite?

Quest is up.
>>18994863

Well, I'm out. Some one else will need to bump this if need be. Unless it's just gonna be let to die.

Sorry, suggestions are supposed to be over here.

Get some sleep, AC-Guy.

What approximately is Arianna's stat line, and where does it lie in comparison to the rest of the pilots of the team?

What is Mooch's melee score, and where does it lie in comparison to Alex and Dave?

>>18997685
Struth, mate.

Well, have another bump, thread.

>>19001862
And again.

I have nothing meaningful to post to bump this thread wtih.

I don't know if I can keep doing this on my own.

>>18997673

Mooch's Melee skills are slightly better than Alex, but his Ballistics is slightly worse.

Ari currently worse than you at everything but shooting, and her slightly better synch score.

I don't have access to everybody's stats at the moment though, it's on a different computer. If this thread is alive when I get the chance I'll post the updated version.

rolled 16 = 16

Page 11 is qquite low enough thread.

You know, I don't mind keeping the thread alive, but if there's no questions, no discussion, no anything.... it might be better to just let it die.

I mean, if you guys want I can post some world fluff. I could answer questions, talk about rules, general concepts, what might be next on my radar after AC Quest/system....

Just whatever. But post after post of 'time to bump'?

At this point we're just clogging 4chan with a thread that's effectively dead, when we could have some legitimate content in it's place.

>>19009751
I'd love some world fluff personally.

>>19009751
I've been going on the assumption that this world is based somewhat on the pre-AC4 world. Not an actual prequel, what with Hustler One being around and Joshua O'Brien being active and famous, but definitely taking most of its inspiration from there.

I'm saying this mostly because the world is 'our' world and recognizably so - which is only the case in AC4 and For Answer - and the corps are all AC4-based. Plus the 'colony' bit. Obviously some of the tech's incompatible, and the events are different, but you can see where I'm going with this, right?

>>19009751
See, this is what I was talking about when I said I disliked bumping without actual content, but nooo, you had to convince me it was okay. Many of those contentless are my own!
But more seriously, since that isn't really important. By all means, give us something more to work with.

And amazingly, I seem to have found some questions. So, on a scale from 1 to Gundam, how bullshit are Kojima particles considered, if you're using them in the world?

Got another one, but I'm gonna save it so I feel better when I next bump the thread.

Well, as I'm still the only one here, this feels kinda dumb, but whatever.

The other question was inspired by something an anon asked about railguns and was never answered, but I'm now curious about:
Do the solid slug weapons, such as the assault rifles and Deagles, use a solid propellant, or do they use an EM rail/coil system? Or some other third thing, whatever that might be?

>>19012474

Firstly, 'from 1 to Gundam' is the best 'robo-bullshit' scale ever, and I'm stealing it.

Secondly, I'm going to be using something OTHER than Kojima particles for two reasons: Because they clock a solid 8 on the scale, and because if the thing I use too closely resembles Kojima particles in the system it's going to get me sued. I don't want to create two VERY SIMILAR things that are fundamentally different, only to never use one of them again.

That said, the Kojima equivalent in the system is going to be less insane in terms of versatility, but also won't end the fucking planet by merely existing. Yeah, yeah, grim-derp magic particles, but I want to leave the setting open-ish for future expansions.

And to be fair, back when I said 'it be cool to bump the thread' I was actively preparing content dumps for you guys. If this again becomes the case I'll let you know.

>>19014877

The projectile guns you currently have are regular guns, just really big.

There ARE rail-guns, kinda. Thing is, the setting in the rule books and shit is going to be set 5 years or so AFTER the events of this quest, so IT will have all of this. The prequel set-up allows me to ease into the new mechanics and shit.

Anyway, core-mounted rail guns have a propellent system to kick-start them, and then use an electric rail to accelerate them further. They just aren't big enough for a 'proper' rail system. They're going to be a bigger, heavier gun with some EN draw, for more damage.

>>19010259
>>19010136

Alright, where do you want me to start? Some of the stuff is easy: Africa on the whole still sucks, only more-so for the most part because the aid the U.S. and other countries were sending over and donating to pretty much stopped when everybody got fucked over. There are a few corporate projects going to try and exploit resources and improve lives, but they aren't really going to relevant for a while in game.

>>19015885

Going by Region, we have Asia, India, The Middle East, North America, South America, Europe, and Australia. Everywhere else isn't really important enough to catch global attention at the time frame you're currently sitting in.

There's also the major factions: The Corps, the Raven's Nest, and Independent groups. National governments and armed forces would be under the regional stuff.

Also: I'm both borrowing from various AC titles, and inventing new shit of my own, so just because you SEE a familiar face, don't EXPECT it to be one.

Also, related to nothing: AC Quest will be going Tuesdays and Thursdays until further notice, with maybe the occasional extra thread thrown in. It'll be at least two doses a week for you, and won't burn me out hopefully.

Maybe I'll go back to doing it non-stop in the future, god knows I had fun, but for now shit going on in my life is going to make me slow down.

>>19016019

Not gonna lie, last night felt weird without an AC-Quest to turn to.

>>19016438

Honestly? It felt a little weird to NOT run AC Quest.

Thing is though, I was getting even LESS sleep than usual, and bad things were coming of it. I still want to run the game, and I'll be doing it when I can, with a bare minimum of a Tuesday and Thursday thread. I also can't wait for people to wrap up this little bit we're on now, since after all the major players are introduced, the quest is going to start going into overdrive.

>>19015961
>>19015885

So uh... where do you guys want me to start typing up info at?

>>19016846
Just to be annoying I'm going to say Antarctica.

>>19016879

It's frozen and nobody cares about it right now.

People have pointed out the possibility of testing out shit like super-weapons there, since there wouldn't be any real collateral damage (That they would care about), but so far nothing.

>>19016899
what's going on down in Australia?

>>19017537

Currently? A couple of Super intelligent businessmen went in and started feuding with some local warlords who took over after the fall.

Currently it's low-key but open warfare, sometimes waged by proxy with mercenaries, going on. Generally it's accepted by the people paying attention that whoever comes out the winner is going to have a giant amount of resources, battle hardened ace veterans, and one HELL of a good foothold in world politics.

So uh.... not really completely on topic, but.... how's Armored Core V? I just got back from buying it, since this quest has gotten me interested in AC again, and wanted to know how it stacks up against the rest of the series.

>>19017964

It's decent, but it's also not really like any of the other games before it.

You know how Old AC you had to think about things like cover because you couldn't always dodge bullets? And then AC4 you got really fast cores? Imagine smaller faster cores, in an environment that allows for constant movement, AND lots of cover, thanks to smaller cores.

The thing that makes this possible is the complete redesign of how radar works: Which is a lot more vague, and requires you to deploy beacons.

Personally, I love the hell out of it, especially since from actually made it GOOD for multi-player, and you can even play the entire game in Co-op mode. But I can also see how other 'long time fans' could dislike it.

You playing the X-Box version?

>>19018025
PS3 actually. IT still has a strong, heavily customizable mech filled single player though, right?

So, what are the major corps, and are there particular details that would be picked up from reading the AC wikia, aside from general setting differences?

>>19018025
Hey, I'm playing the XBaux version. I'm immediately recognizable from my Angry Marine emblem. My favorite thing to do is Merc it up and help people with beating the Story Missions.

>>19018039

Oh yeah. It's got about as many options as prior games. And just doing all the story/order missions will keep you busy for about as long as 4 probably did.

One thing though, is that since they made the multiplayer SO GOOD, the entire game has a multiplayer focus. Technically you have to join/form a team for multiplayer to even TOUCH the rest of the game.

This leads to certain design decisions like having your team rank (Which you level up by doing missions and PVP) be what lets you unlock new parts for purchase.

I think one of the other guys set up a group for the PS3 version with an open invite to whoever if you want to join that. Just tell them I sent you.

>>19018072

Cool. I remember Mooch bitching about every Merc he's ever tried to hire immediately bailing on him because his handle's 'Mooch'.

Which led to him taking on a full team in a territory grab, by himself, and winning. So it's not like he NEEDED the help apparently....

>>19018072
PS3 guy here. Damn decent thing you're doing, kudos.

>>19018077
Awesome, thanks!

This quest pushed me over the edge and made me get a PS3.
I'd love to join in with the other /tg/ guys but due to my timezone (+1) I'll probably won't be able to play with you guys very often...

>>19018069

I'm not really bothering to explain a lot of the LITTLE details, because I either haven't thought about them yet, or they don't have any real impact on the story.

Currently the Major Corps are (By main base of operations):

>North America
Rayleonard
G.A. America
Aztlan Tech

>South America
Rio Macro

>Europe:
G.A. Europe
Bernard and Felix Foundation
Aka Vit
Rosenthal

>Asia
Omer Science
Algebra
Aldra
Crest Industries
FHI
Technocrat

Any in particular you want to know more about?

>>19018292

Uh little disclaimer: The ones that do exist canonically in one version of AC or another DO bear some resemblance to the one originally made by From Software. But they are not 100% the same.

There's also a couple wholly unique to this setting/quest.

>>19018292
Aztlan Tech

>>19018292
No love for Mirage, Murakumo Millenium, or Chrome? As a big AC3-era fan, lemme know what Crest is up to.

>>19018292
>AzTech
>Technocrat
Well, I'm glad there's no magic, now. Even if they aren't references to Shadowrun and oWoD Mage. At least there's no Pentex.

I didn't really mean little details, more big ones, that would be significant differences from what might be found in games/wikis. But, y'know, whatever.

>>19018593
Forgot about these guys, too.

>>19018292
>G.A. Europe
>still around
Not for much longer, I presume?

>>19018506

Mexico had financial problems during the run up to the world getting fucked, and consolidated then nationalized the various technological groups and manufacturing companies.

When the disaster hit, Mexico's greatest minds, shortly after getting the shaft, had access to half the nations financial resources and most of the weapons production facilities.

The Coup was swift and brutal. Currently the Economy is about 80% the corp, and about 10% the government, which primarily exists to add an air of legitimacy to the whole affair.

>>19018593

>Crest

Crest is interestingly in the field of conventional forces, with a focus high tech prototype weaponry that won't exist for several more years.

They got into the mega-corp field just in time to miss everyone getting on the Core bandwagon. Seeing that a lot of companies were shifting their focus, the decided to start filling in the gaps left by the march of technology while devoting a chunk of their resources to getting ahead of the curve on the next wave.

They don't have much in the way of cores, but if you have a engine that burns fuel instead of running a small reactor or any type of conventional firearm (Up to and including tanks) there's a decent chance they helped to build it.

>>19018603

The differences that aren't too small to matter exist almost entirely in spoilers territory, or I haven't put much thought into them.

>>19018775

There are circumstances where they could stop existing, but they don't currently seem likely.

So any other questions you guys got? I'll keep an eye on this while I try and play Arkham City.

Never got the chance until recently, what with my Live account being borked.

>>19019872
What corps have the biggest presence in Oregon and Las Vegas. And how amenable are they to working for pilots who aren't particularly interested in joining up would like their working relationship to be slightly closer than two complete strangers.

>>19019872
Which are the non-AC based corps, and what do they focus or specialize in?

>>19019945

Vegas is sort of Corporate Neutral Ground, due to the amount of money flowing through, and the sort of bullshit that's going down there 24/7. Pretty much everyone on the list other than the Technocrat has a stake there, and nobody lets their share get too big lest it's seen as a sign of aggression.

Oregon is sort of the Core equivalent to Silicon Valley. As far as politics go it's like a more civil Vegas, but Rayleonard and G.A. have noticeably larger stakes than everyone else, at least half again as big as the next guy down the ladder.

>>19020147

On the list of Mega-Corps, only three semi qualify as 'Non-AC'.

Rio Macro does computers and works on the cutting edge of A.I. research and computer manufacturing. They also produce some of the better A.I. mech cores, and FCS computers.

Crest is sort of working AROUND ACs, but are also trying to develop anti-AC tech and trying to get ahead of the curve on the next generation of AC parts.

The Technocrat don't SELL anything physical, they're the second largest mercenary network outside the Raven's Nest, and they pretty much OWN Russia. Pretty much everything there not dedicated to making better cores for the Technocrat and them ALONE is all things related to networking for more Merc work, or based around the needs of the locals: food production, cloths, etc. They're trying to make their nation totally self sufficient as a way of both giving the finger to the Corps and to prove a point.

>>19021344
So, what do you mean by "working around ACs"?

I'd post possible meanings, but I just can't quite form them in my brain, as words.

>>19023833
AC-Guy mentioned earlier that Crest was in the field of conventional forces, so presumably they've at least considered the new tech in their products. It doesn't seem like there's any true equivalent to the old Muscle Tracers of the pre-4 games here, though. (If there were, Crest would likely be a big player in that field.)

>>19018292
On this topic, we've met Rayleonard, so it might be nice for us to know more about them.

>Ears get all warm
>Go on /tg/
>Rayleonard
I am also wanting to know this.
And thanks again for going with Richard Branson as CEO!

>>19024206
That would make far too much sense. And is probably what I was trying to think of when I made that post. I blame the poor sleep I got last night.

Also, based on AC-Guy's comments that the corps, broadly, aren't particularly different from their game incarnations. So, pulling from http://armoredcore.wikia.com/wiki/Rayleonard Rayleonard does energy stuff, primarily. Theoretically they are/will be the group to come up with the Kojima Particle analog.

>>19015853
Also, I got "1 to Gundam" scale from the Gundam/Zeon Quest bit you used, any way.

Rayleonard was formed shortly after the world properly went to hell. Branson got the hell out of England with as many people as he could possibly save as the storms started up. He ended up in Canada, which had less horrible things happening to them, and plenty of room to put up some refuges from a country they used to worship.

When he got there, he started to see the destruction not just of society, but of the infrastructure that would be desperately needed to rebuild when/if the world started tearing itself apart. He started to direct his efforts into creating a company dedicated to that when word reached him that Donald Trump, who had moved a solid chunk of his holding to Toronto from New York after some sweeping changes in American Tax Law he disagreed with, was plotting something similar.

Trump had more capital to work with, but Branson had lots of fairly solid research data, and the two of them consolidated their assets formed Rayleonard about 4 years ago game time.

Trump was the one who suggested branching out into weapons tech, and Branson helped to exploit the new Core technology. They agreed that if they made good products, they could try and steer the development of the tech to something other than the possible WMDs that the world can't handle right now.

>>19026699

That's also why the corp is called 'Rayleonard': They both wanted to drop the Virgin/Trump labels and go with something new since it was a new partnership, a new type of market, and a new world.

WHOO! LG took a day off, my record is secure for a while at least.

I probably shouldn't be exited about that, and I'm sorry for whatever happened that made his day bad enough to call it off.

But he was also only a couple days away from taking that record back, RIGHT after I set the new high. So, mixed feelings.

>>19018116

I just picked up ACV on PS3. How can I find the PS3 team?

>>19027626
>mixed feelings
Struth.

So any way, what's the general history of Cores & their development in the setting? You've said they're a fairly new development, but... I'm not sure where I'm going with that "but."

>>19027626
There's also speculation that he's actually several people.

>>19028920

Only a couple, and only occasionally I think.

Otherwise his IP would have a broader range. I'm thinking he has a friend fill in occasionally or something, no way in hell multiple GMs could keep that much shit straight constantly.

>>19028893

It was mentioned briefly in the first thread: The original cores were invented about Eight years ago, and about 4 years later the first weaponized ones happened.

The original plan was to try and make an A.I. that could recognize brain patterns and respond to them, as a sort of system for prosthetic limbs. While they worked well, people realized that people hooked to more impressive ones could accomplish more. Then they had walker/loaders like the ones seen in the Alien movies followed by things like a couple of people plugged into a grid running the train systems. When it was realized that people responded better to ones that were vaguely human shaped, scientists started to push and see what else could be accomplished with that knowledge. The original 'weaponized' core was a very detailed/mobile unit designed to mimic a human as closely as possible. When some bandit guy tried to attack to steal it, they picked up a car and used it as a club to fight them off.

That was when they discovered the downsides of a high synch score (the test pilot lost the ability to walk due to neurological problems), the advantages to such a machine in a military context, and the fact that they needed to be built slightly less articulated otherwise making them durable enough to be practical would mean making them at least 60 feet tall. Which would make them a huge fucking target on the battlefield.

>>19029312
But what if, stay with me here, what if EVERYONE ELSE was ALSO in a 60' tall mech? Then EVERYONE'S a huge fucking target, and on an even footing!

>>19030856

And every single one of them would be brutally raped by a small fast guy with a Karasawa.

Like Dervish for instance. Hell, they wouldn't even have to be on his skill level, just be less of a target with a big gun. Or someone like Ari with an Over-Weapon like that could insta gib them well outside the range of any targeting computer, because they'll be the size of the fucking buildings she uses for cover.

>>19030903
>>19030856

Basically, building The Gundam is possible: but in a world where magic particles that fuck targeting computers and shitty tanks don't exist, they're so unbelievably useless that nobody WANTS to build them.

If you're going to go the route of building a giant-ass war machine, you wouldn't make it human shaped with human weaknesses. You'd make something the size of a small city and covered in guns. But that's HILARIOUSLY impractical for 99% of situations, considering how many Cores and traditional weapons you could build for/with the same price/resources.

Man, I give up on jokes.

>>19030976
So, what is the 1% of the time where a walking city covered in guns (I assume by that you mean an Arms Fort, sorry if I'm wrong, new to AC fandom) would be practical?

>>19031335

Total war scenario.

It's a short hop from there to 'fuck it, bring out the nukes' territory.

>>19031933
Ahhh. Any chance you could give us the scoop on Arms Forts in your system? Creation/rules for them?

>>19032056

Well not all Arms Fort deals are going to be truly massive affairs, but they are going to be huge compared to the average core, massively powerful, and reserved for boss-fights.

As far as rules for creation, that shit's so far off my radar I'm probably going to end up putting it in a splat book.

>>19032308
Ah, okay. Only asked because I believe you mentioned giving us the rules for it in the first crunch thread.

>>19032398

I said I would talk about them, and give out possible spoilers.

There is a difference, subtle though it may seem.

>>19032423
Ah, okay. Any chance we could get some of them spoilers then?

>>19032484

Maybe in the future. When I put that shit on the table before /tg/ chose something else, which they then got.

That said there is still the fluff stuff from earlier I never posted anywhere near all of.

Alright, I'm gonna be eating dinner in a minute, I'll put the thread up after that.

Hello AC guy I read through the archives of your quest, and let me say it is very good and you should keep doing what you are doing!. With that said I have a couple of suggestions when it comes to running the thread.

1). The first thing is fate points, they are an awesome mechanic but its kind of a clusterfuck figuring out how many we have/when they refresh. I would suggest stating at the start of the thread, how many fate points we have and how long they refresh. It could be arbitrary such as "after two more threads" or it could be plot specific "after this encounter". This will help us, the players, plan and organize our usage of these points.

2). One thing I have noticed was that we can split the quest up into two parts the "conversation phase" and the "action phase". The thing most of /tg feels that they should be able to make more then one conversation. It is sometimes unclear how many options we have before the next wave of plot hits us. One such example is in your 29'th thread we were allowed to talk to damn near everyone before we were given the option to relax with Elsie. Now most of the time we are only allowed to talk to one person, before all the options are closed off and we can't talk to anyone else. I suggest saying at the bottom of each post, how many of the options we can take before the next wave of plot hits.

Thank you very much for the awesome quest and keep up the great work!

>>19033747

1: I generally give people a count when they ask for it, or when it become relevant. I refresh when they have down-time or some sort of event happens to give them a new one. I don't go out of my way to bring it up, because people tend to get unnecessarily paranoid when you talk rules or roll dice for no reason.

2: I have events on a timer, and since this quest is run from a first-person limited viewpoint and none of the characters are omniscient, I can't exactly tell you that in three dialogue options the cops are going to kick in the door. I mean, if you are working with a time-limit I can tell you, but some things you aren't going to see coming in character. So I don't tell you about them.

3: New thread >>19033830

>>19032651
We tended to go with the fluff options, rather than the crunch, didn't we? Or at least perceived crunch?

I dunno.

Well, because I refuse to let it die (Is there any one else even around at this time?), what's interesting doings in South America?

I'm gonna assume there's no legion of once-abducted soldiers, or mutant animals with psychic powers, and especially no cities full of vampires controlled by a many-mawed tentacle beast from another dimension.

Though that maybe should have been Central America with that last one.

>>19039916
And here I said I was gonna stop with the jokes. I guess I tried.

>>19039916

Currently the big news in South America is Rio. Almost half the city was lost during the global shitstorms (I really need to come up with a name for that), but surprisingly was rebuilt rather quickly. Groups within Rio basically told the Brazilian government to go fuck themselves when they demanded glorious Brasilla be rebuilt FIRST. Even though the city was useless and really only had the government, their support, and nothing else since it was built based on anti-logic.

So the government sent the troops in to.... nobody really Rio? Occupy the city? They never really bothered to explain to anybody why the tanks were coming, and when people saw the tanks coming, everybody called in every favor owed and declared war on the Brazilian government. Due to the Army not really liking their orders, the massive amounts of support Rio's private citizenry got, and the various mercenaries and private security groups getting involved, the army basically doubled in size, went back north and leveled the Capital.

Shortly after this, Rio Macro was founded by several wealthy citizens to try and help financially support the country with more jobs and global income.

Currently Rio Macro is helping fund and support the creation of a new government/constitution, and is generally informally ruling the country in the meantime.

Still here, still taking questions if you wanna post them.

>>19044482
Could you tell us a bit more about Algebra, Aldra, Aka Vit and FHI. As they're the corps we don't really know all that much about. What does FHI stand for anyway?

>>19044701

FHI is Fuji Heavy Industries, their main thing is transportation technology. While a lot of people jumped on Cores as their big thing, FHI realized that nobody thought of the logistics side of things and began developing things like the mobile bases the Alex's Team has. Later other corporations got in on it and started making them 'bigger and better' (like the one being used by Liz's team) to the point where some of the biggest ones are amphibious battle-ships that straddle the line between an arms fort and a heavy transport with guns.

With their foot in the door there they started focusing mostly on things like more efficient booster systems. Some of their best 'low draw' parts are good enough that when paired with a high-end Rayleonard reactor and some coolers out of Rio Macro, they can stay airborne damn near all day.

(In case you're wondering about early corporate history, FHI is a real company in today's world based out of Japan. You can find out more by googleing the name, or going to Wikipedia, since this world is ours up until X years ago in game)

I'll do a quick over-view of the others in a minute.

>Algebra

Pretty much controls the southern part of Asia (mostly India/Pakistan).

Their big thing is high mobility core designs, and close range combat. they aren't big on durability, but they've got speed enough that it doesn't matter most of the time.

Most of Dervish's Core is made from Algebra derived parts. Apparently he had to have them custom made, since he would routinely get the stock parts to go so far past their engineering tolerances that the machine started trying to tear itself apart.

Apparently they've taken this fact as something of a challenge, and are currently testing to see how far performance parts can be pushed. Currently they haven't got much to show for their research (OOC? Wait until the NEXTs happen. Both versions of White Glint had Algebra parts, and for a GOOD REASON.)

>Aldra

Pretty much the guys who designed the original core synch protocols.

They don't sell a whole lot of their work directly, but they have so much cutting edge A.I. and Core Synch tech that pretty much everyone works with them to further their research in the field. It's a note of how well known/respected/good they are that they've reached mega-corp status entirely on research grants, donations from the scientific community, and contracts from other mega-corps.

>Aka Vit

They're the second biggest/most respected corporation in terms of energy behind Rayleonard. While Rayleonard seems to mass produce technology for everyone, Aka Vit's main draw is the fact that their tech is simply a step ahead of everyone else. By the time people have finished reverse engineering their cool new thing they built, they already invented two more down the line and sold the rights to manufacturing to Rayleonard.

They work so closely with the Canadian corp that sometimes they're jokingly referred to as their European branch. They're arguably the smallest of the Mega-Corps, but their presence and brands are strong enough that nobody even thinks twice about their position in the world.

I'd really like to know more about the local branch of the Raven's Nest. Other than those we have meet who are the big name pilots who are based out of Vegas? I know this is potentially spoilery but it also seems like something we should be able to just google in quest.

>>19045044
Speaking of NEXTs, how absurd are they going to be compared to normal Cores and compared to how absolutely crazy they were in standard AC?

Also about how far out are they?

>>19046066

About the same time they come out, there's going to be New Type cores running around with energy shields and stuff. These are actually closer to the traditional 'NEXT' than my version of NEXTs. The NEXTs of this quest are going to be trading power or some sort of cool ability for versatility. So like a NEXT might only be as good as a normal core.... but it can also turn into a jet-plane Robotech style and suddenly quadruple it's movement speed. Or get a Primal Armor so thick you have to drop a building on it to make it crash. Or the ability to turn invisible.

So depending on your point of view, they're either going to be gimmicky or absolutely fucking bat-shit.

>How far out are they?

Currently they're sailing in between [spoilers] and [not even going to hint at it].

>>19045921

Well there's Duke who runs the place. Ravens get to decide for themselves how much they want known about them, but the numbers of ranking pilots is out in the open.

Speaking of which, does anybody happen to know what thread I did the rank breakdown in? Apparently I lost the piece of paper I had all this shit written down on.

rolled 3 = 3

>>19046586
Why am I now picturing Liz with a psychotically OP NEXT built around charging so fast that reacting in time is basically impossible? And why is my mental image of it red?

>>19046762

The problem with that is there's a point where the core is simply too fast to control.

Take Dervish for instance, he's EXTREMELY good at what he does. He is arguably the only person you've met thus far who might be able to take Nine-Ball in a straight fight. He's easily in the top ten pilots in Vegas.

Josh has commented that Dervish's core is 'stupid fast' to the point of 'completely absurd' and Dervish himself has to be pushing 90 to control it properly. When you fought him in the Arena he had limiters on because at the 70 mark he was cruising at, he would have been ricocheting off the fucking buildings trying to control it at full power.

He wants to see if he can build it FASTER. He can and has hit the 100% synch mark, so he could, in fact, fly something faster. And when/if he builds a NEXT with that in mind, he might be the only one who would be willing to TRY and fly something like that, as opposed to running away screaming, arms flailing comically behind them.

A core like what you're talking about would go at LEAST double the speed of said hypothetical next. It would self destruct if it hit a pigeon at that speed, and Liz you be in serious danger of having her brain pushed out the back of her head by the G-forces.

>>19046762

Also, it's clearly because the red 'ons go fasta.

>>19047294
Three times faster, to be precise.

rolled 8 = 8

>>19046762
>>19047294
>>19047314
Warboss Char...
Now THAT is one hell of a mental image.

Goddamnit. I was about to ask whar new thread, then I remembered it's Wednesday, and it's not till tomorrow. Fuckshitdamn.

Oh well. Happy birthday, AC-Guy.

>>19049428

Thanks Udz.

Tomorrow you get to throw down with the Pack, so you've got that to look forward to.

So, requisite question to go with the bump: What's... Europe been doing since the Cataspocalyphe? Nah, that's no good. Cataspocalypse? A bit better.

>>19053492
The 'Great Destruction' is what they called it in the earlier games, I recall.

>>19054375
Bah, that's not a mishmash of words at all! It's entirely too plainly descriptive and boring.

>>19056217
Armageddon?
Great Crisis?
End of the World?
The Great Shitstorm?
Ragnarok?
Gaia's Death?
Abandonment of God?

Just throwing things out there.

I'd go with The Big Kerfluffle.

The extremely disorienting hullabaloo.

>>19058456
The Great Shitstorm is highly amusing.

>>19058528
>>19058480
As are these.

Of course, something more serious would probably be used. Like "The Time of Troubles," or "The Upheaval" or some shit.

>>19059521

I think WotC beat us to 'Time of Troubles'. Besides, it sounds a little too whimsical for 'we just got our shit wrecked so hard about 2/3 of everybody is dead'.

>>19059884
Religious types might call it the Rapture or something like that. Or the Day of Judgement.

Most people might just call it the Event, or try to avoid specifically giving it a name and only talk about it in vague non-descriptive terms.

The Day of Reckoning, Armageddon.

>>19060011

Well yeah, there's going to be shit like that.

I need an 'official' name, the one that would go in the history books.

I mean, at the point in the timeline nobody knows what to think about the events, but it's not like modern people refer to WW2 as 'the time everyone started shooting everyone else and then we blew up Japan'.

>>19060068
Gaia's War on the World? GWW?

>>19060068

"All-Corporate Field Day"

Fucking Captcha error followed immediately by Safari crashing. Fucking phone.

Hey AC guy, I can't remember how often in the quest we've run out of ammo. How did you handle ammo depletion again? Like, how much ammo used every time we fired?

>>19060068

The Disasters.
It was a whole slew of shit, and I think that covers all of them.

AC Quest soon guys.

I got distracted by some friends on Skype just now.

Blame them for late, them and the dinner I'm about to eat.

As I was saying before my phone crapped out on me...

>>19059884
That's what I was referencing. Though technically it was TSR at the time, but what ever. Whimiscal as it is, it's still more serious than the other three I was pointing at in the post.

What events occured, aside from the storms in the UK, and the San Andreas dropping SoCal(?) into the Pacific?

>>19061764
No wonder Jobs is out to get you.
He's afraid of your genius!

>>19061797

WAS it TSR? Huh. I lose track of such details.

Anyway, there's all kinds of shit going on: Like the North American plate getting split in two, introducing Earthquakes to the Midwest. I mean, ask a region specific question and I'll do my best to give you the rundown.

Don't expect me to answer immediately though, since I'll be running the quest for the next few hours.

New thread: >>19062134

>>19062058
So, world wide, it was pretty much crazy-ass "natural" disasters, and, I assume, opportunistic fightan & lootan?

>>19062142
What is the current level of cybernetics available?
I know we have metal on our ribs currently which would have some nasty drawbacks if it was permanent and I'm wondering what else is available. I'm not sure anyone on Alex's team (don't know about Liz's) would mess around with stuff like that, but our enemies might and I'd like to be prepared for whatever we might run into.

>>19062058
Yeah, WotC didn't have D&D till around the turn of the century, and the ToT was used as setup for Baldir's Gate which was still on the TSR branding in 98

>>19067766

>>19069816
Sho nuff.